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| 00:01.38 | mohammad-ghasemi | why for no apparent reason the audio gets muted in debian? |
| 00:03.30 | jmcnaught | mohammad-ghasemi: can you provide more detail? |
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| 00:04.39 | dvs | timidity-daemon |
| 00:04.41 | mohammad-ghasemi | jmcnaught, Maybe it has something to do with switching between the speakers and the the headset. I don't know. |
| 00:04.58 | deadmund | Can someone help me create a debian package for my python3 Tkinter script? |
| 00:05.14 | deadmund | I have most of it done, but I'm getting hung up on debian/control and the version numbers. |
| 00:05.34 | jmcnaught | mohammad-ghasemi: which release of Debian? Are you able to simply unmute after it happens? What gets muted, pulseaudio or the alsa device? |
| 00:07.27 | mohammad-ghasemi | jmcnaught, debian 9.9 stable release. No I can't unmute. |
| 00:07.55 | jmcnaught | mohammad-ghasemi: so you have to do what, reboot? What does pavucontrol look like when this happens? |
| 00:08.07 | mohammad-ghasemi | jmcnaught, pulseaudio I think |
| 00:08.47 | mohammad-ghasemi | jmcnaught, sometimes reboot works, sometimes pluging and unpluging the audio jack. |
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| 00:10.10 | mohammad-ghasemi | jmcnaught, let me restart. I'll be back ;) |
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| 00:12.53 | mohammad-ghasemi | jmcnaught, restarting unmuted the audio |
| 00:13.41 | mohammad-ghasemi | jmcnaught, but pavucontrol remained the same. I don't know what is the problem. But thank you! |
| 00:15.31 | jmcnaught | mohammad-ghasemi: in pavucontrol the "Output Devices" tab each device has a "Port:" dropdown menu which should show if it is outputting to headphones or line out |
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| 00:16.52 | *** topic/#debian is Debian 10 Buster released! /msg dpkg buster; /msg dpkg stretch->buster; /msg dpkg apt suite changed | Oldstable Stretch: /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg 9.9 ; 9.9 needs dist-upgrade | Jessie: jessie-{updates,backports} removed, /msg dpkg jessie-lts | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net| chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
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| 00:17.36 | mohammad-ghasemi | jmcnaught, thank you. I'll check that the next time it happens. |
| 00:17.40 | jmcnaught | mohammad-ghasemi: after sound gets randomly muted you could also look at your user's journal for PA: 'journalctl --user -u pulseaudio.service' (not as root) |
| 00:18.05 | deadmund | Hello. I have a .deb package that I created for a very simple python program I wrote (using tkinter). I am reading here https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/distribute-deb/distribute-deb.html I think I need a sponser / mentor to submit the package to the debian (eventually ubuntu) repos. |
| 00:18.09 | jmcnaught | the journal disappears after a reboot unless you create a persistent journal |
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| 00:18.48 | jmcnaught | !mentors |
| 00:18.48 | dpkg | hmm... mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 00:18.55 | jmcnaught | deadmund: ^ |
| 00:19.09 | mohammad-ghasemi | jmcnaught, thank you for the tip |
| 00:19.21 | deadmund | Thanks |
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| 00:37.17 | Kali_Yug1 | I googled for the error I have "error 1962: No Operating System found..." when booting debian after finishing the installation. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=mtiyotg I have a similar computer model. Not sure what to do. I had a small Windows partition before and I changed the bootorder in windows with bcdedit. But now I don't have windows at all and it refuses to boot |
| 00:39.40 | petn-randall | Kali_Yug1: What is the exact model you have? |
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| 00:41.06 | annadane | do you seriously have to go through the whole "enter the name of the operating system you're installing" thing in virt-manager? |
| 00:41.13 | annadane | why is this not optional... |
| 00:41.31 | petn-randall | Can't you just skip it? |
| 00:41.36 | annadane | nope |
| 00:41.45 | petn-randall | provisions VMs automagically. |
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| 00:42.29 | Kali_Yug1 | petn-randall: m91p |
| 00:42.59 | petn-randall | Kali_Yug1: You could try updating the firmware, maybe they fixed it in later releases. |
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| 00:44.08 | acu | !paste |
| 00:44.08 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 00:44.12 | petn-randall | Kali_Yug1: Otherwise the blog post by Matthew Garrett suggest using legacy BIOS boot to circumvent the issue. |
| 00:44.52 | jmcnaught | annadane: I think it can make a small difference to the options that get turned on for that VM, for example so called "hyper v enlightenments" and hypervclock are supposed to be added for windows guests |
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| 00:48.30 | Kali_Yug1 | petn-randall: I was thinking would it change something if I change to legacy and reinstall? idk if that would fix it. Or I need to create or put the windows efi file into the efi directory for the uefi to detect its windows. |
| 00:49.28 | petn-randall | Kali_Yug1: You could check the blog post, and try editing the names around until it works. I guess? |
| 00:53.48 | RoyK | erm - samba fails after upgrading to buster |
| 00:53.49 | Kali_Yug1 | I will try installing in legacy mode first I guess. I think I have to make the uefi think it is windows to boot properly. kinda hard, I usually don't like to mess with these things |
| 00:53.53 | RoyK | nothing else has changed |
| 00:54.05 | Kali_Yug1 | to many I's |
| 00:54.30 | petn-randall | Kali_Yug1: Well, the blog post says legacy should work, so go with that. |
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| 00:59.08 | uRock | I keep getting "E: The repository 'http://debian.ca-west.mirror.fullhost.com/debian buster/updates Release' does not have a Release file." I've tried changing sources via Software & Updates, but that keeps hanging during the reload. Not sure what else to try. |
| 01:00.37 | dvs | uRock, maybe your mirror doesn't have the Release file? |
| 01:00.43 | dvs | try another mirror? |
| 01:01.15 | petn-randall | uRock: What kind of mirror is that? If it's an official mirror, you might want to change to another one. Otherwise I'd say they didn't update for buster yet. |
| 01:01.27 | jmcnaught | uRock: it's because not all mirrors have the security repo. Change that one line to be deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main |
| 01:02.04 | dvs | jmcnaught, I don't think that's the security repo |
| 01:02.35 | jmcnaught | buster/updates would be the line for security but it's wrong |
| 01:02.45 | jmcnaught | buster-updates would look like the regular buster line |
| 01:03.02 | jmcnaught | or if you use deb.debian.org as your mirror you can use that mirror for all three |
| 01:03.11 | dvs | so it should be buster-updates? |
| 01:03.19 | joepublic | updates are updates. example tz-data. security is security. example fix a known security hole. Right? |
| 01:03.20 | uRock | dvs, I used the select best option and that's the one it grabbed |
| 01:03.56 | uRock | petn-randall, that was the third mirror I tried. The first was the default, then the one for US. |
| 01:04.04 | jmcnaught | uRock: it would probably be easier if you show us your /etc/apt/sources.list file on https://paste.debian.net/ |
| 01:04.55 | uRock | jmcnaught, I'll upload it. It's three lines. |
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| 01:06.00 | uRock | https://paste.debian.net/1092248/ |
| 01:06.32 | dvs | give jmcnaught a buck |
| 01:06.55 | uRock | jmcnaught, I see what you mean with the security one |
| 01:07.08 | jmcnaught | uRock: the third line should read: "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib non-free" |
| 01:07.39 | uRock | jmcnaught, I'll hop on that system and give it a try. Thanks! |
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| 01:09.07 | jmcnaught | dvs: for bullseye instead of security being bullseye/updates it will be bullseye-security to be less confusing with bullseye-updates |
| 01:09.26 | dvs | Just to confuse me even more! ;-) |
| 01:10.27 | petn-randall | That's where we get ya! :) |
| 01:10.38 | uRock | That fixed it! |
| 01:10.41 | dvs | Stop making more sense! |
| 01:10.45 | uRock | Thanks again. |
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| 01:11.12 | dvs | np |
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| 01:19.00 | annadane | point releases used to blow my mind |
| 01:19.08 | annadane | "why are there so many packages to update???" |
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| 02:06.59 | silverballz | annadane, sharing is caring |
| 02:07.23 | dvs | s/sharing/swearing/ |
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| 02:09.38 | silverballz | stable = stable |
| 02:09.39 | Lady_Aleena | enri, if you want to talk to me about something unrelated to Debian, you can find me in #debian-offtopic. If you still need help with Debian, anyone here can help you out. There is very little that I feel merits private messaging. |
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| 02:23.47 | silverballz | https://www.debian.org/security/faq#unstable |
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| 03:24.37 | GumShoe | I'm experimenting with installing buster on a pair of 1tb drives as a raid 1 array. I'm setup into the ssh install. I've detected my disks and would like to wipe all the filesystems from the two drives before I take a crack at partitioning with the expert guided installer. I've dropped down to the 'ash' shell. What partitioning utilities do I have? I don't seem to be finding fdisk or sfdisk nor parted? |
| 03:26.14 | GumShoe | I'm also reading the "Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide" https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ |
| 03:26.16 | dvs | gdisk? |
| 03:26.47 | GumShoe | not found... |
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| 05:14.40 | Sweedish | Years ago I was subscribed to some debian-related mailing lists. I tried to unsubscribe but I still receive bugs report I know nothing about every weeks. What can be done? |
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| 05:21.03 | awal1 | Sweedish, suscribe/unsuscribe here https://lists.debian.org/debian-bugs-rc/ |
| 05:21.30 | awal1 | i unsubscribed years ago and it worked |
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| 05:22.05 | awal1 | just put your e.mail and clic Unsubscribe |
| 05:24.28 | Sweedish | thanks. trying now |
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| 05:32.23 | enri | Lady_Aleena, i understand :) |
| 05:33.54 | enri | good morning guys! |
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| 05:56.28 | Sweedish | @awal1 Thanks for your help. It was debian-qa. |
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| 06:06.31 | honigkuchen | python-pip package can neither be uninstalled nor upgraded or whatsoever |
| 06:06.52 | honigkuchen | what makes my whole system not able to install packages |
| 06:10.06 | ayekat | honigkuchen: why can't it be uninstalled? what's the command you run and what's the error message? |
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| 06:17.52 | honigkuchen | post install script error 1 |
| 06:18.13 | honigkuchen | I want to remove all of python |
| 06:18.15 | ayekat | honigkuchen: is that all? |
| 06:18.30 | honigkuchen | cannot import name 'maketrans' |
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| 06:18.41 | ayekat | honigkuchen: please paste the full output to some paste service |
| 06:19.32 | honigkuchen | https://pastebin.com/VUyQS39Y |
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| 06:21.40 | ayekat | honigkuchen: what's the command you run there? |
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| 06:21.55 | honigkuchen | apt --fix-broken install |
| 06:22.03 | honigkuchen | or any other apt command |
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| 06:26.34 | alkisg | honigkuchen: what's the output of this? ls -l /usr/lib/python*/*onfig*arser* |
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| 06:28.01 | ozzloy | in octopi's image, i can change a file in the boot partition to configure wifi. how would i do that in raspbian? |
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| 06:29.53 | honigkuchen | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 27746 Sep 26 2018 /usr/lib/python2.7/ConfigParser.py |
| 06:29.53 | honigkuchen | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25095 Sep 28 2018 /usr/lib/python2.7/ConfigParser.pyc |
| 06:29.53 | honigkuchen | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 53452 Sep 27 2018 /usr/lib/python3.5/configparser.py |
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| 06:31.16 | alkisg | honigkuchen: and if you run this, does it fail? python -c 'import ConfigParser' |
| 06:32.05 | honigkuchen | ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'ConfigParser' |
| 06:32.16 | alkisg | Sounds like your python paths are messed up |
| 06:32.57 | honigkuchen | okay |
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| 06:33.23 | honigkuchen | what can I do |
| 06:33.50 | alkisg | I don't have enough experience on how one can break python paths, so either try to remember what you did to break them, or wait for someone else |
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| 06:35.12 | ayekat | wouldn't be surprised if this was related to pip being involved |
| 06:35.36 | ratrace | honigkuchen: if you used pip as root you broke it |
| 06:36.00 | honigkuchen | yes |
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| 06:36.24 | ratrace | reinstall whole machine; in fact buy a whole new machine and toss this one to garbage, that's how much you mess it up ;) |
| 06:36.29 | honigkuchen | I could compile python and install it |
| 06:36.33 | honigkuchen | and then remove it with apt |
| 06:36.43 | honigkuchen | okay |
| 06:36.44 | ayekat | apt can't remove what it hasn't installed |
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| 06:37.06 | ratrace | honigkuchen: better use official .deb and reinstall with python but... you broke modules and who knows which ones, you'd have to reinstall all of tehm |
| 06:37.17 | honigkuchen | okay |
| 06:37.47 | ratrace | maybe grab dpkg --get-selections and force reinstall those, but iam not sure that'd fix everything |
| 06:37.57 | ratrace | s/reinstall with python/reinstall with dpkg/ |
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| 06:40.34 | ratrace | honigkuchen: uh didn't you do the same a few months ago in #gentoo? o.O i could swear you did |
| 06:41.04 | honigkuchen | r u kidding? |
| 06:41.18 | honigkuchen | in gentoo this is not possible |
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| 06:41.36 | honigkuchen | when u use pip in gentoo u are forced to use --user option |
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| 06:41.42 | ratrace | of course it's possible; but i could've been mistaken and confused you with someone else |
| 06:42.03 | honigkuchen | I had similar question in #gentoo |
| 06:42.19 | honigkuchen | but I did not brake my gentoo by python-pip |
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| 06:44.26 | honigkuchen | can debian please just ignore anything about python |
| 06:44.34 | honigkuchen | and just do its pkgs updates? |
| 06:45.02 | honigkuchen | I could edit the .deb files and just make the post ... skript return a 0 |
| 06:45.20 | honigkuchen | I do not need python on that device |
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| 06:49.03 | humpled | something on your system probably does need python |
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| 06:49.52 | ratrace | apt itself doesn't require python i think; so this problem must be specific to a few python packages that are messed up |
| 06:49.52 | apt | ratrace: that's too long |
| 06:49.54 | ryouma | why would pip allow you to run it as root if it destroys the known universe? |
| 06:50.13 | ryouma | why make the user remember that? |
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| 06:51.38 | ratrace | for the same reason you make the user remember not to rm -rf ... |
| 06:51.52 | ratrace | or dunno.... any command you run as root |
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| 06:52.22 | ratrace | it's not pip's fault; it's a package manager, and like any other package manager if it installs into paths owned by other package managers, especially the main system one, it'll break stuff |
| 06:52.33 | ratrace | so will rm -rf-ing into /usr for fun and profit |
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| 06:53.15 | ratrace | same happens if you run .: make install :. for downloaded tarballs -- should make prevent you from running it as root? |
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| 06:57.32 | z8z | during the upgrade from d9 to d10 i get this window message asking me if start MiniSSDP daemon at startup or not. What is that for and what do you suggest? |
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| 07:48.31 | colo-work | ,checkbackport msmtp-mta sid jessie |
| 07:48.32 | judd | Backporting package msmtp-mta in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster. |
| 07:49.13 | colo-work | ,checkbackport msmtp-mta checkbackport --fromrelease sid --torelease jessie |
| 07:49.14 | judd | Backporting package msmtp-mta in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster. |
| 07:49.32 | colo-work | hmm, am I doing something wrong here? |
| 07:49.41 | colo-work | ,checkbackport msmtp-mta checkbackport --torelease jessie |
| 07:49.42 | judd | Backporting package msmtp-mta in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster. |
| 07:49.44 | colo-work | ah lol |
| 07:49.47 | colo-work | ,checkbackport msmtp-mta --torelease jessie |
| 07:49.48 | judd | Backporting package msmtp-mta in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 12). |
| 07:50.17 | colo-work | being awake supposedly helps doing proper copypasta'ing |
| 07:50.41 | Haohmaru | pushes colo-work into the pool of coffee |
| 07:50.48 | colo-work | drowns |
| 07:51.18 | Haohmaru | don't forget to soak too |
| 07:51.26 | Haohmaru | for maximum powah |
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| 08:20.21 | newb | hi i am not able to perform updates |
| 08:20.38 | newb | i am on debian stable |
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| 08:21.42 | diogenes_ | newb, thanks for letting us know. |
| 08:22.00 | at0m | newb: what issues do you get? how do you update? |
| 08:22.08 | newb | i get this error - |
| 08:22.14 | at0m | where what |
| 08:22.18 | newb | W: Failed to fetch http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libl/liblivemedia/libusageenvironment3_2018.11.26-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.8.204 80]W: Failed to fetch http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libl/liblivemedia/libbasicusageenvironment1_2018.11.26-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.8.204 80]W: Fail |
| 08:22.19 | newb | ed to fetch http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libl/liblivemedia/libgroupsock8_2018.11.26-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.8.204 80]W: Failed to fetch http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/lirc/liblirc-client0_0.10.1-5_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.8.204 80]W: Failed to fetch http://cdn-fastly.deb.debia |
| 08:22.19 | newb | n.org/debian/pool/main/libl/liblivemedia/liblivemedia64_2018.11.26-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.8.204 80]W: Failed to fetch http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libm/libmad/libmad0_0.15.1b-9_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.8.204 80]W: Failed to fetch http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libn/libnfs/libnf |
| 08:22.19 | newb | s12_3.0.0-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.8.204 80]W: Failed to fetch http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libo/libopenmpt/libopenmpt-modplug1_0.4.2-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.8.204 80]W: Failed to fetch http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/protobuf/libprotobuf-lite17_3.6.1.3-1_amd64.deb 404 Not |
| 08:22.20 | newb | Found [IP: 151.101.8.204 80]W: Failed to fetch http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vlc/libvlccore9_3.0.6-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.8.204 80]W: Failed to fetch http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vlc/libvlc5_3.0.6-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.8.204 80]W: Failed to fetch http://cdn-fastly.deb |
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| 08:22.28 | at0m | !paste |
| 08:22.28 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 08:23.55 | at0m | newb: run an "apt update", then "apt upgrade" again |
| 08:24.04 | alkisg | !paste |
| 08:24.05 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 08:25.38 | newb | ok |
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| 08:27.37 | at0m | ,v libvlc |
| 08:27.38 | judd | No package named 'libvlc' was found in amd64. |
| 08:27.41 | at0m | ,v libvlc5 |
| 08:27.42 | judd | Package: libvlc5 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.7-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.2.7-1~deb8u1; stretch: 3.0.6-0+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 3.0.7-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 3.0.7-0+deb9u1; buster: 3.0.7-1; bullseye: 3.0.7.1-2; sid: 3.0.7.1-2; stretch-multimedia: 1:3.0.7-dmo1+deb9u1; bullseye-multimedia: 1:3.0.7.1-dmo3; buster-multimedia: 1:3.0.7.1-dmo3+deb10u1; sid-multimedia: |
| 08:27.43 | judd | 1:3.0.7.1-dmo4 |
| 08:28.39 | at0m | newb: reason update fails, is that you're trying to download 3.0.6-1, while "buster: 3.0.7-1" ^ |
| 08:28.47 | at0m | s/update/upgrade |
| 08:29.08 | at0m | apt update will sync your local cache with the repo |
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| 08:41.37 | EmleyMoor | Investigating an issue with autofs on one of my systems right now... Why would it be unreliable on just one, though? |
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| 08:49.16 | daifuco | hello, is anyone running steam on buster? It wont connect to the network, it seems a kernel related problem. |
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| 08:50.46 | ratrace | daifuco: yes, running here perfectly fine |
| 08:51.36 | daifuco | oh thanks it is to isolate the issue |
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| 08:53.06 | ratrace | ? |
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| 08:56.21 | EoflaOEViceCity | daifuco: Can you access another site like Google? If you can, then it might be steam. |
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| 08:58.49 | newb | seems to be working now, |
| 08:58.57 | newb | thanks for the help! |
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| 09:12.58 | StucKman | I know this is not a debian specific question, but given a dorman ext4 fs, why would statfs() and tune2fs report different ammount of total blocks? in my case, 113357950 vs 115198464, which ammounts to more than 7GiB of difference |
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| 09:15.21 | jelly | StucKman, reserved blocks? (5% for root (uid 0) by default) |
| 09:16.42 | StucKman | nope, tune2fs reports Reserved block count: 5759923, which would make user available blocks down to 110M not 113M |
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| 09:19.34 | jelly | StucKman, a mere 3M difference sounds like a rounding or unit error |
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| 09:20.22 | jelly | StucKman, pastebin the output of "df -k" and "dumpe2fs -h /dev/your/fs/is/on|grep -iE '^(|Reserved |^Free )block'" |
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| 09:20.44 | colo-work | ,checkbackport msmtp-mta --fromrelease stretch --torelease jessie |
| 09:20.45 | judd | Backporting package msmtp-mta in stretch→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 10). |
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| 09:25.20 | jelly | colo-work, there's 10.2.5~bpo8+1 in jessie-backports (repo archived) |
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| 09:26.20 | colo-work | thanks for letting me know :) still evaluating my options. |
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| 09:37.04 | xk | can somebody pls help me, I'm desperate. |
| 09:37.28 | diogenes_ | xk, ask |
| 09:37.33 | ayekat | nobody can help you if you don't describe your problem |
| 09:37.34 | xk | buster's network is really slow to me only I think. |
| 09:37.54 | EmleyMoor | xk: Describe the problem as fully as you can |
| 09:37.59 | diogenes_ | xk, not to you it was to me too until i changed the defaule dns. |
| 09:38.18 | xk | diogenes_, default dns? |
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| 09:38.33 | diogenes_ | xk, exactly, the dns provided by your ISP. |
| 09:38.37 | Mathisen | ..... ignore that dns he uses can be totaly diffrent then yours |
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| 09:39.44 | xk | well, I've tried that, not too much changed. sometimes the speedtest return to normal, I mean full speed after some changes, then after a while, less than an hour, it dropped back to slow, I mean the speedtest. |
| 09:39.58 | Antoine | petn-randall: Ok thanks, I removed those directories :) |
| 09:40.23 | xk | changes I made include disabling ipv6, changing dns, disabling networkmanager. etc. |
| 09:40.50 | ayekat | "disabling networkmanager"? how do you connect to the internet, then? |
| 09:40.59 | ayekat | or rather - are you running multiple network management tools at the same time? |
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| 09:41.16 | Mathisen | xk, where is the most important step, screaming at your ISP :) have you tested with diffrent dist ? or live enviroment and got better result ? |
| 09:41.16 | xk | ayekat, what? by editing the interfaces file of course. |
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| 09:41.49 | ayekat | xk: the interfaces file is used by ifupdown, which is an entirely different tool - so why is NetworkManager involved? |
| 09:42.08 | Haohmaru | a few days ago we lost hours because someone misspelled "adress" in there |
| 09:42.24 | xk | Mathisen, one example is when I use stretch, downloading kali iso can reach full speed, while in buster, it only reaches 1/3 of full speed, can't go any higher than that. |
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| 09:43.39 | xk | ayekat, because I have to try as many possible ways as I could. |
| 09:43.42 | StucKman | jelly: my fault, I meant G |
| 09:43.43 | Mathisen | and it used same mirror for the download.. and still just downloading 1 file is not really saying 100% something is broken |
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| 09:44.57 | xk | and the speedtest.net result, it appears to be random, sometimes it shows full speed, most of the time it shows 1/10 of full speed. and the torrent download speed is really slow right now. man I'm telling ya sth definitely is wrong with buster's network. |
| 09:45.11 | StucKman | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/1092280/ |
| 09:45.22 | xk | while under stretch, it always shows me full speed. |
| 09:46.23 | ratrace | xk: are you in europe? |
| 09:46.40 | xk | ratrace, noOOO... |
| 09:46.45 | ratrace | xk: where then? |
| 09:46.50 | colo-work | xk, these "tests" are meaningless for your last network hop. get iperf3 set up on two nodes in your LAN, and use that to establish the performance (really: throughput) baseline |
| 09:47.01 | xk | ratrace, well, notorious china.p.r then. |
| 09:47.24 | ratrace | xk: cd /tmp ; wget http://mirror.hk.leaseweb.net/speedtest/100mb.bin is it at the expected download speed? |
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| 09:48.44 | xk | ratrace, ha, it says "read error(connection reset by peers) in headers, pls retry again". |
| 09:49.10 | ratrace | xk: http://mirror.sg.leaseweb.net/speedtest/100mb.bin try this |
| 09:50.18 | xk | ratrace, it's as slow as it can get. |
| 09:50.21 | xk | too slow. |
| 09:50.31 | xk | less than 100kB/s. |
| 09:50.37 | ratrace | xk: blame your ISP |
| 09:50.47 | xk | ratrace, you really think so? |
| 09:51.03 | ratrace | yes |
| 09:51.12 | xk | I suspected this, but it seems the least possible. |
| 09:51.40 | ayekat | xk: do you have any other device in your network? try copying files between those two machines to see where the bottleneck is |
| 09:51.40 | ratrace | there's nothing wrong with networking in buster ; and quite the contrary, bad ISPs are most likely the cause of such problems |
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| 09:51.50 | xk | well, sometimes the least possible is the only possible it seems. |
| 09:52.19 | ayekat | if you get acceptable speeds between those to, but shitty speeds to the outside, your ISP (or at least your router) is to blame |
| 09:52.35 | StucKman | I have another question: I just bought a mini computer with 4 eths that I plan to convert into a router. I connect one other computer to one of its eth ports with a normal patch cable and I don't see any link. my memory (not a very goo one) tells me that eth port, specially in notebooks like in this case, are good about negotiating speed and direct vs cross link, but it doesn't seem to do anything. I tried reading ethtool's man, |
| 09:52.35 | StucKman | but I still wonder if there is something else I should do in either end to make them see the link |
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| 09:52.52 | xk | ayekat, I'll try to transfer some files between my pc and phone later, hopefully it will reveal some result. |
| 09:52.58 | StucKman | xk: you mentioned torrents, are you uploading too much and saturating uplink?? |
| 09:53.11 | xk | ayekat, I agree. |
| 09:53.14 | Antoine | Hello, while upgrading to Buster, I noticed a line that says something like: locale: Can't initialize LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory". Should I worry about that? What does it mean? |
| 09:53.15 | ayekat | xk: ah well... not sure if the phone is a good test target |
| 09:53.23 | ayekat | xk: but worth a try nevertheless |
| 09:53.26 | xk | StucKman, noooo... |
| 09:53.36 | xk | ayekat, lol |
| 09:54.05 | Antoine | LC_ALL and LANGUAGE aren't set when I type `locale`, the rest is set to "fr_FR.UTF-8" |
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| 09:55.02 | xk | thank you guys. I'll hate my notorious ISP from now on. |
| 09:56.50 | ratrace | Antoine: dpkg-reconfigure locales and choose all the locales you'll be using; set default |
| 09:57.26 | StucKman | xk: have you done these tests with torents off? |
| 09:57.56 | xk | StucKman, what test? |
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| 09:58.02 | StucKman | xk: your speed tests |
| 09:58.28 | ratrace | puts $5 on "No" |
| 09:59.17 | xk | StucKman, with or without torrents on really didn't make big a difference as in stretch the results are always similar. |
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| 09:59.43 | StucKman | xk: when doing net speed tests, make sure all other network traffic is off |
| 10:00.15 | StucKman | torrents, downloads, irc, mail, webmail, youtube, spotify, *everything* |
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| 10:00.24 | xk | StucKman, IKR, but I think I've got the answer to this odd problem. |
| 10:00.34 | ratrace | wins |
| 10:00.39 | StucKman | goes to the decoder ring |
| 10:00.40 | kirk781 | cries because torrents are blocked at his place |
| 10:00.55 | StucKman | kirk781: rent a seed box? |
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| 10:01.12 | xk | even when the speedtest in stretch is normal, torrents speed drops down to 0 often, while now in buster, it's slow but stable. |
| 10:01.24 | StucKman | (I know, it costs money, I don't have one because of that) |
| 10:01.48 | ratrace | xk: which network card do you have? lspci -k will tell you, and the kernel module in use |
| 10:02.01 | kirk781 | I currently use SeedR. It offers five gigs free space. Works for non movie files pretty well |
| 10:02.54 | jelly | StucKman, yeah, there's a difference between df -k total size (statfs()) and dumpe2fs block count of about 1840514 (4KiB) blocks or 7.02GiB |
| 10:03.24 | Antoine | ratrace: I just did but `locale` still displays the same thing |
| 10:03.35 | StucKman | jelly: for the moment I choose to believe statfs(), but WTF |
| 10:03.47 | xk | ratrace, should I paste it here? |
| 10:03.53 | ratrace | Antoine: are you doing this over ssh? |
| 10:03.57 | EmleyMoor | !paste |
| 10:03.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 10:03.57 | ratrace | !tell xk about paste |
| 10:04.20 | Antoine | ratrace: Yes, I am over ssh |
| 10:04.46 | ratrace | Antoine: then you did not select the locale on the server, that your ssh client is initializing |
| 10:04.47 | StucKman | Antoine: your local locale is messing with the remote locale |
| 10:04.48 | xk | ratrace, Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 15). |
| 10:05.21 | ratrace | xk: did you install firmware-realtek from non-free? some of those chips need firmware |
| 10:05.23 | xk | ratrace, Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller |
| 10:05.56 | Antoine | ratrace: StucKman: How can I edit the remote locale then? |
| 10:06.03 | xk | ratrace, it's installed. I pasted the second because I think that's the kernel module? |
| 10:06.41 | ratrace | xk: lspci would've said something like "Kernel driver in use: r8169" :: is that in your case? |
| 10:06.46 | xk | oh sorry, grep didn't show kernel module. |
| 10:06.53 | ratrace | Antoine: with dpkg-reconfigure locales :: you enable them and set default |
| 10:07.22 | xk | ratrace, it's r8169 |
| 10:07.27 | Antoine | But I just did that :s |
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| 10:08.02 | ratrace | Antoine: in addition, you can configure sshd_config to not take in cliet's locale hints, just remove LANG and LC* hints from AcceptEnv |
| 10:08.12 | ratrace | s/cliet's/client's/ |
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| 10:08.54 | Antoine | Oh yep ok, thanks for the hint :) |
| 10:09.32 | ratrace | Antoine: but ideally you configure the locales for the same one you use on the client side :: i'd assume you'd have to login again or something |
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| 10:10.42 | Antoine | ratrace: Both my remote Debian server and my Xubuntu laptop are on the same locale |
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| 10:13.40 | Antoine | So I'm not sure what to do now since `sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales` didn't seem to change the values displayed by `locale`. I don't know how to check if I still get "locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory" |
| 10:13.43 | ratrace | Antoine: you can also force it by exporting the LANG env in your shell rc. eg. export LANG="en_US.UTF-8" |
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| 10:14.51 | ratrace | Antoine: running just "locale" would complain like that i think, if it was configured badly |
| 10:15.53 | Antoine | ratrace: Ok, it doesn't complain then :). It actually only complained during the upgrade to Buster. I can't remember exactly when though |
| 10:16.11 | Antoine | I'll just wait and see if I get this message again |
| 10:16.56 | Antoine | Other question, is it advised to move from iptables legacy to nftables? |
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| 10:19.03 | ratrace | Antoine: by the way, iam not very knowledgeable about locales, but from what i remember you shouldn't be setting LC_ALL anyway, but LANG, or individual LC_* values |
| 10:19.41 | Antoine | ratrace: I read that too. Maybe that's why dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't set it |
| 10:19.44 | ratrace | Antoine: iptables are not "legacy", and i personally wouldn't move to nftables, i see no need to and there's talk of deprecating even nftables in favor of ebpf |
| 10:20.50 | ratrace | so until the kernel devs give us a definitive, stable killer for iptables with features worth switching over, or literally they drop iptables form the src, i wouldn't switch, meself |
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| 10:22.45 | bouzu_ | Antoine, i suppose those where just warnings about unlocalized update scripts. i think to remember to get those too on a regular basis on a system with german locale. dont think it's a problem |
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| 10:24.06 | Antoine | bouzu_: Ok, thanks for the info :) |
| 10:24.27 | galegosimpatico | Don't want to push, but when's going to be an official AWS AMI of Buster? |
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| 10:25.14 | Antoine | ratrace: So can I keep using iptables like I did before? sudo iptables -A blablabla? sudo iptables-save and all that? |
| 10:25.20 | ratrace | Antoine: well, you're being a bit contradicting there... was this one time instance, or, as you said: "11:03 < Antoine> ratrace: I just did but `locale` still displays the same thing" |
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| 10:26.11 | ratrace | "the same thing" implying "No such file or directory" for LC_ALL |
| 10:27.30 | Antoine | ratrace: Oh sorry, by "the same thing", I meant this stuff "[...] LC_MEASUREMENT="fr_FR.UTF-8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="fr_FR.UTF-8" LC_ALL=" as I thought running `sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales` would set LC_ALL. |
| 10:27.39 | Antoine | The warning was a one time thing |
| 10:27.54 | EmleyMoor | I don't like duplicating myself on the two IRC networkn but I'm not getting any response at all on OFTC... |
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| 10:28.16 | asgardian | hello |
| 10:28.26 | EmleyMoor | I've just installed biboumi, completed a config based on the example, but it fails to start. systemctl status biboumi gives this: http://paste.debian.net/1092291/ - how do I find out the problem? |
| 10:28.27 | asgardian | anyone using debian sid? |
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| 10:29.12 | BCMM | asgardian: i am (but there's another channel for that) |
| 10:29.31 | ratrace | Antoine: ah no, no. then it seems you've got it all sorted out as it should be :) |
| 10:30.01 | asgardian | BCMM, I'm just curious if you had any issues/problems using sid |
| 10:30.06 | Antoine | ratrace: Ok, nice :) |
| 10:30.12 | Antoine | Thanks for your help! |
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| 10:30.38 | BCMM | asgardian: i uninstalled a whole lotta stuff by accident before i started carefully reading the output of dist-upgrade before pressing y |
| 10:30.46 | BCMM | ^twice |
| 10:31.07 | BCMM | but really that's about it |
| 10:31.22 | bouzu_ | EmleyMoor, you can check `journalctl -u biboumi` for hints. but thats just systemd advice. no idea about this software |
| 10:31.47 | BCMM | asgardian: basically just follow this, and it works fine https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#What_are_some_best_practices_for_testing.2Fsid_users.3F |
| 10:32.04 | asgardian | BCMM, and regarding security updates? I know that the security updates are pushed with delay in sid |
| 10:32.17 | EmleyMoor | I see this... biboumi.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE |
| 10:32.19 | BCMM | asgardian: no, that's testing. sid gets them pretty quickly |
| 10:32.31 | asgardian | oh great |
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| 10:33.18 | BCMM | asgardian: see https://www.debian.org/security/faq#unstable and the Q below it |
| 10:33.41 | BCMM | i should have said "usually" gets them pretty quickly |
| 10:33.57 | asgardian | :)) |
| 10:34.05 | BCMM | not on a gauranteed delay like testing, but not prioritised like stable |
| 10:34.11 | ville | howdy. anyone here happens to have installed https://github.com/1000001101000/Debian_on_Buffalo ? particularly on ls210? not quite sure what sort of partition scheme to make. |
| 10:34.13 | asgardian | I will take a look |
| 10:35.15 | bouzu_ | EmleyMoor, as a last resort when systemd just doesnt want to tell me waths wrong i try to start the process manually. you can try to run `/usr/bin/biboumi /etc/biboumi/biboumi.cfg` (taken from ExecStart) in a plain console and check output |
| 10:36.10 | EmleyMoor | bouzu_: Tried. Just plain closes, no output other than confirming its config file |
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| 10:37.54 | bouzu_ | EmleyMoor, than the app is to blame here. it possibly has its logs in /var/logs/biboumi or something similar. suggest looking there |
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| 10:38.28 | EmleyMoor | No logs. Can't get on its support MUC either |
| 10:39.23 | asgardian | BCMM, have you used snapshots on your system? |
| 10:39.32 | bouzu_ | EmleyMoor, well ok. then im out of general advise. |
| 10:39.37 | BCMM | asgardian: no, i just keep backups of my actual data |
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| 10:40.04 | BCMM | if debian itself goes wrong, i can just reinstall it |
| 10:40.45 | asgardian | oh, ok :) |
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| 10:43.23 | Kali_Yuga | Hello I installed the nvidia drivers. I need to know where to save the X configuration file to make the ForceFullComposition Pipeline setting permanent is it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf? don't want to mess anything up now |
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| 10:50.31 | ratrace | Kali_Yuga: that or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ for various snippets |
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| 10:54.07 | BCMM | ratrace: that user disconnected already |
| 10:54.39 | ratrace | didn't by the time i autocompleted the nick :) |
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| 11:00.07 | humpled | kali yuga: the age of crappy internet |
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| 11:30.39 | Piraty | in a debootstraped i386 chroot, `apt install libart` fails, despite https://packages.debian.org/buster/libart-2.0-2 listing it as available |
| 11:31.06 | Piraty | can anyone help me out with this? |
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| 11:33.35 | ratrace | Piraty: fails how |
| 11:33.55 | Piraty | E: Unable to locate package libart |
| 11:34.09 | humpled | looks like you need its full name |
| 11:34.24 | Piraty | cat /etc/apt/sources.list ... deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main |
| 11:34.45 | ratrace | yeah, libart-2.0-2 is the actual package name |
| 11:35.05 | Piraty | oO who does stuff like that |
| 11:35.48 | Piraty | that does it. thanks |
| 11:36.10 | ratrace | Piraty: apt can tab autocomplete y'kno |
| 11:36.29 | Piraty | ratrace: that wouldn't be apt but the shell |
| 11:38.17 | ratrace | bash-completion has tab completion things for apt ... better? |
| 11:38.42 | Piraty | yeah, thank you ;) |
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| 11:40.03 | ratrace | Piraty: is it though.... I don't see rules for apt, only apt-get |
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| 11:41.09 | Piraty | ratrace: vim /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/apt |
| 11:41.24 | ratrace | Piraty: I don't have that and apt autocompletes for me |
| 11:41.42 | Piraty | idk |
| 11:41.45 | ratrace | /usr/bin/apt is what i mean |
| 11:42.36 | ratrace | oh wait, my bad, i do have it, grep fail |
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| 11:44.34 | Piraty | another question: a third-party software i'm trying to make work requires https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=libbonobo2 but it's not in buster |
| 11:45.14 | EmleyMoor | Piraty: Do you know the exact file the third-party software needs? |
| 11:45.19 | Piraty | does this require me to re-setup a stretch installation or can i use backports (or even build from source with apt's help)? |
| 11:45.45 | Piraty | EmleyMoor: hmm not yet, it's a pre-dependency in the 3rd-party's deb package |
| 11:45.56 | Piraty | possible the .so? |
| 11:47.03 | EmleyMoor | If it's for compile time, you'll need the headers. It's often best to just try (often you get told what's missing at the configure stage) then see if a Debian package exists that will resolve it |
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| 11:47.39 | Piraty | EmleyMoor: the application i try to make work is precompiled and comes packaged as a .deb |
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| 11:47.55 | EmleyMoor | Though I see it's actually missing from buster... |
| 11:48.05 | Piraty | i cannot build from source, it's not oss |
| 11:48.29 | Fox | libbonobo will never be in buster as far as I can see |
| 11:48.32 | EmleyMoor | libbonobo2 is in sid, but not buster or bullseye... |
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| 11:48.42 | Fox | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=885770 |
| 11:48.44 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/885770 in src:libbonobo (open, buster, bullseye, sid): «libbonobo: Don't release with Buster»; severity: serious; opened: 2017-12-29; last modified: 2019-07-08. |
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| 11:50.15 | EmleyMoor | Ah, deprecation... well, the developers need to do something about it. In the meantime you may be able to install the stretch version, but don't quote me on that, or try backporting sid's version |
| 11:50.17 | EmleyMoor | !ssb |
| 11:50.18 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 11:57.37 | Fox | Piraty: you could backport libbonobo2-0 to Buster but you'll first need to backport liborbit2-dev |
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| 12:06.45 | Piraty | ok i just debootstrapped stretch and try again. thanks so far |
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| 12:08.36 | Piraty | one last thing: can i make apt install that deb and resolve+install all of the pre-dependencies (listed in the control) for me instead of manualy iterating over everything it didn't find pre-installed? |
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| 12:31.15 | mrig | Hello |
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| 12:32.57 | mrig | Seem to be having a few issues since switching to buster from stretch, all mouse related; Trying to run gpick but the program is not able to sample colours from the mouse anymore. |
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| 12:33.17 | Haohmaru | gnome? |
| 12:33.24 | mrig | Yes gnome. |
| 12:33.26 | ville | howdy. anyone here happens to have installed https://github.com/1000001101000/Debian_on_Buffalo ? particularly on ls210? not quite sure what sort of partition scheme to make. any advice? |
| 12:33.39 | Haohmaru | might have something to do with wayland (just guessing) |
| 12:34.24 | mrig | I dont have wayland that I am aware off, is that a part of the standard gnome install from the DVD? |
| 12:35.17 | mrig | The mouse when using a wacom tablet is behaving strangely too. |
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| 12:37.13 | mrig | Wondering if to would be best to go back to stretch for a while. |
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| 12:40.39 | BCMM | mrig: yes, wayland is used by default on gnome, in some configurations |
| 12:41.13 | crimson_king | mrig, most color pickers will fail to work on Wayland |
| 12:41.35 | crimson_king | mrig, I know that Gedit's color picker works on Wayland. |
| 12:41.47 | crimson_king | It's a Gedit plugin |
| 12:42.38 | Haohmaru | mrig didn't you read the "what's new in debian 10" thing? |
| 12:42.44 | kreyren | any info on bullseye? it seems to still have buster repositories |
| 12:42.53 | Haohmaru | it says stuff about gnome and wayland |
| 12:44.31 | mrig | Haohmaru no I haven't read that, thanks for the pointer I will take a look. |
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| 12:45.22 | mrig | crimson_king BCMM right thanks, this must be the cause, will look at installing with xserver. |
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| 12:45.59 | mrig | oh will take a look at the gedit plugin, that will do for the time being. |
| 12:46.01 | BCMM | kreyren: what do you mean by "have buster repositories"? bullseye repos exist separately, but do you mean they seem to have the same contents as buster at the moment? |
| 12:46.01 | crimson_king | mrig, it will take a while before we start seeing color pickers for wayland, because it depends on the compositors implementing it. |
| 12:46.33 | mrig | Do you think that the wacom pointer will be buggy for a while too? |
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| 12:46.37 | kreyren | BCMM, yep they seems to have the same content as buster since it still outputs testing/buster http://ix.io/1OTS |
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| 12:46.48 | crimson_king | mrig, or you can take a screenshot and pick the color from it in GIMP |
| 12:47.13 | kreyren | BCMM, ah wait those are just wine repositories.. my bad |
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| 12:47.21 | BCMM | mrig: one of wayland's principles is to protect clients from one another. in x11, applications have basically total access to each other's windows, which is kind of a massive loophole in sandboxing or containerisation for GUI applications. |
| 12:47.40 | mrig | right I see, so gpick would require and extensive rewrite to work with weyland then I imagine. |
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| 12:48.15 | BCMM | mrig: yeah. making screenshots, or anything else that involves spying on another application's output, got more complicated in wayland |
| 12:48.15 | mrig | BCMM right to far better for application security then? |
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| 12:48.44 | mrig | oh yes I see, that makes sense now. |
| 12:48.44 | BCMM | mrig: that's the idea. a normal application can't just record what you're seeing any more |
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| 12:49.42 | BCMM | but it does mean that desktop environments have to invent some sort of special status for their own colour-picking, screenshotting and remote desktop stuff |
| 12:49.50 | anaemic | phew this debian install has been almost as fun as setting up arch :D |
| 12:51.59 | mrig | BCMM sounds like it is worth it if the trade is for security. |
| 12:52.15 | crimson_king | mrig, another example is Night Light. GNOME had to come up with its own mechanism for that. Redshift won't work in Wayland, although I think there is a patched version for Archlinux in the AUR that works. |
| 12:52.19 | anaemic | last night i went through three different internet sources trying to manually setup ifup for internet and failed, and today i reinstall with kde for better network management and its still being a pita, AND for some reason it installed without a proper path setup for /usr/sbin |
| 12:53.49 | mrig | Thank you for explaining, much easier to get along with the bugs when you understand where they are coming from: I should of course have read the doc, but erm ... I have a backlog. |
| 12:53.56 | BCMM | mrig: well, maybe... i don't think that most people will actually be sandboxing individual applications any time soon, though, so there are plenty of other ways for applications to interfere with other applications running as the same user |
| 12:54.12 | dvs | anaemic, /usr/sbin won't be used if you use "su" instead of "su -" |
| 12:54.22 | greycat | !buster su |
| 12:54.22 | dpkg | The <su> command changed in buster: it no longer overrides the PATH variable. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for workarounds. |
| 12:54.27 | BCMM | but it's nice to have the possibility to support android-style isolation, if some operating systems want to do that |
| 12:54.49 | anaemic | ahha |
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| 13:07.08 | dtcrshr | hello everyone. I have a simple script that changes the hostname and /hosts file. running it manually works fine. |
| 13:07.18 | dtcrshr | I setup this script to run at cron @reboot, but is not working |
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| 13:07.37 | dtcrshr | I turned cron logs, it invokes the script on the (Running @reboot jobs) |
| 13:07.56 | greycat | You configure the hostname by editing the /etc/hostname file, not by writing a script and scheduling it in cron. |
| 13:08.05 | dtcrshr | but the results arent the same as running the script manually. Its on root/ folder, and on root crontab |
| 13:08.41 | dtcrshr | I have 20 netbooks, that eventually I clone the image over then, but the image is with a bogus hostname, so when they are deployd the hostname gets the serial number of the machine |
| 13:08.48 | SpeedyG | hm, guess this is more of a generic bash question than a debian specific question... but anyone know how to put 'remaining' variables through to the script... so ./ipscript <ipaddr> <action> <anything> <else> <really> where $1 and $2 would be specific variables, and $3 and further are simply passed along as one? |
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| 13:09.38 | dtcrshr | greycat, I know. but for my environment thats what I need. A fresh restored imagem being able to get its own hostname via dmidecode infos |
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| 13:10.12 | dtcrshr | I could simple run the script manually, but since the serial wont change, the interns could restore the images and it will at first reboot get its proper hostname |
| 13:11.41 | griffrawk | So does it change anything in /etc/host name after reboot? |
| 13:11.42 | greycat | So yeah, there's this new plague going around and it seems to involve people who are utterly batshit paranoid, like literally tinfoil-hat-wearing types, about their hostnames. My new policy is to /ignore all such people. |
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| 13:14.48 | dtcrshr | #!/bin/bash |
| 13:14.48 | dtcrshr | declare HNAME="$(dmidecode -s system-serial-number)" |
| 13:14.48 | dtcrshr | hostnamectl set-hostname ${HNAME} && sed -i "s/127.0.1.1.*/127.0.1.1 ${HNAME}.domain.com ${HNAME}/g" /etc/hosts |
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| 13:14.55 | dtcrshr | thats the script. |
| 13:15.07 | dtcrshr | it changes the /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts |
| 13:15.26 | dtcrshr | the problem is: running the script manually works fine, it sets the right hostname I wish that is the serial number |
| 13:15.42 | dtcrshr | but on @reboot crontab it wont, its executable, on root crontab |
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| 13:17.01 | dtcrshr | I just want to set it as automatically as possible so the interns can simply restore the image to other netbooks, and after the first reboot the hostname will be set, different from the original image |
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| 13:20.00 | griffrawk | It’s been a while but IIRC cron has a bit of a restricted environment, maybe that’s affecting it. Maybe try getting cron to execute a login shell that executes your script? If all else fails just build an instruction into your provisioning procedure to set it manually. After all you have bodies to do the job, and it’s a useful QA check. |
| 13:20.34 | greycat | The word "provisioning" is also on my /ignore list. Not you, griffrawk. |
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| 13:21.09 | zodd_ | implement it as a systemd task? |
| 13:21.10 | greycat | Docker plague has been infecting IRC even longer than hostname-paranoia plague. |
| 13:21.37 | Haohmaru | hostname paranoia? |
| 13:21.43 | Haohmaru | provisioning? |
| 13:22.02 | Haohmaru | i think i need an update |
| 13:22.39 | griffrawk | Eeh! Here 5 mins and already warned! I don’t mean provisioning using one of those new fangled tools. Manual builds always best. Done hundreds myself. |
| 13:23.08 | greycat | "Privisioning" means "I don't have a real computer. I have a thing that generates images of virtual computers on the fly, because I need to destroy and recreate my virtual computers 200 times a minute, so instead of just configuring a machine, I need to make a machine that configures a newly born virtual machine. Also I don't know ANYTHING, so you need to spoon feed it to me." |
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| 13:23.28 | greycat | Damn it, typos. |
| 13:23.36 | Haohmaru | oh |
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| 13:24.08 | griffrawk | Yep been there. Hundreds of physicals and VMs. |
| 13:24.16 | greycat | I'm so sorry to hear that. |
| 13:24.23 | Haohmaru | okay, not sure why you'd wanna do that, but i do strongly dislike people who reinstall their OS every week coz it got filthy broken again |
| 13:24.59 | griffrawk | Useful in environment where people purposefully break em. Eg schools |
| 13:25.00 | Haohmaru | (usually crapdows with crackwarez) |
| 13:25.09 | greycat | I have no idea why these people do it either. Around the time that it's revealed that's what they're doing, I've already /ignored them because they are writring some godawful bash code from hell with 16 layers of nested quotes. |
| 13:26.05 | Haohmaru | then they shouldn't be allowed to compute in schools |
| 13:26.08 | Haohmaru | that'll teach em |
| 13:26.35 | griffrawk | BOFH in the making.... |
| 13:27.00 | Haohmaru | que? |
| 13:27.30 | griffrawk | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastard_Operator_From_Hell |
| 13:28.07 | nkuttler | i just had some yoghurt. it was delicious |
| 13:29.21 | enri | ola amigos! |
| 13:29.38 | nkuttler | don't forget the amigas |
| 13:29.49 | Haohmaru | and the smol amigis |
| 13:30.08 | fkg | i ate an amiga |
| 13:30.13 | fkg | amiga 4 |
| 13:30.17 | fkg | wait 3 |
| 13:30.32 | fkg | nevermind (chuckles to self) |
| 13:30.34 | Haohmaru | your dietologist would not be happy about that |
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| 13:43.25 | dtcrshr | gee, I just wanna help the students, sorry |
| 13:43.42 | dtcrshr | and english is not my main language, sorry if I choose words that bothers you |
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| 13:44.42 | nkuttler | dtcrshr: just ignore the grumpy people. and use a pastebin for code, see /topic |
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| 13:45.03 | EmleyMoor | No thanks, I'm a Remainer <g> |
| 13:45.08 | dtcrshr | ok |
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| 13:49.14 | Ede|Popede | btw, the pastebin.com factoid doesn't even mention "You cannot disable cookies on resources served through Cloudflare." (https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/200169506-Can-I-disable-Cloudflare-cookies-) |
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| 13:58.51 | uRock | Does the debian 9 virtualbox installer work for Buster? Just checking before I bork anything by trying |
| 14:01.41 | berndj | oh man, i wonder how much stuff i broke a day or two ago when i did "ar xv something.deb" in /tmp (it changed permissions of /tmp to drwsr-xr-x because './' is in the archive) |
| 14:02.16 | berndj | (actually the tar -xf following the ar xv is what did the damage) |
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| 14:08.04 | Ede|Popede | berndj: sounds like a case for `--one-top-level` (i prefer subdirs for .deb contents anyway) |
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| 14:13.32 | griffrawk | Any luck with that cron dtcrshr ? |
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| 14:17.05 | dtcrshr | yes, I managed to get it working. on @reboot there is no PATH loaded yet, so I tryed setting the export to the actual path on the script |
| 14:17.19 | dtcrshr | it didnt worked on cron, besides working on the loaded system |
| 14:17.35 | dtcrshr | so I put the complete path of all binaries (dmidecode, sed, hostnamectl) and it worked |
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| 14:18.52 | dtcrshr | the final working script is as follows - https://apaste.info/jj1F |
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| 14:20.39 | ziGuy | Hi guys,Last night i tried to connect a second monitor with a DVI connector.The computer freezed and when i rebooted it, it stuck after grub tried to start the system, I now started it via a debian i've got on Disk On KeyAny ideas? please |
| 14:21.35 | griffrawk | dtcrshr: There you go! Incomplete environment. If you use something like /bin/bash —login /path/your script.sh as the cron command, that should also do it. |
| 14:21.45 | ziGuy | I also tried with and without the Xorg.conf but none helped |
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| 14:22.23 | ziGuy | I didn't change any settings, just connected another monitor |
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| 14:23.28 | dtcrshr | you mean on the cron entry griffrawk ? |
| 14:23.34 | griffrawk | Yep |
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| 14:23.51 | dtcrshr | like @reboot /bin/bash --login /root/script.sh ? |
| 14:24.31 | greycat | I should be either terrified or extremely disappointed that someone's writing a cron job that relies on a user's dot files to establish an environment, ultimately to ... change a god damned hostname. |
| 14:25.03 | griffrawk | Think so. Not near a system to confirm atm. |
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| 14:26.41 | griffrawk | greycat: seeing as its running as root ye have to trust someone’s environment. Feel free to disagree. |
| 14:27.08 | greycat | I disagree with every single piece of the entire situation. |
| 14:27.36 | griffrawk | So propose a better solution. |
| 14:27.47 | greycat | In Debian, one sets the hostname by editing the /etc/hostname file. Once. Then it is left the hell alone. |
| 14:28.11 | greycat | One does not change the hostname every time one reboots. |
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| 14:28.42 | dtcrshr | you would understand if you work on a university with 800+ computers |
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| 14:29.23 | joepublic | giving the computers multiple personalities makes them more manageable, is the idea? |
| 14:29.43 | Antoine | Hello, I'd like to know if logs are pruned at some time? |
| 14:29.52 | ziGuy | Guys? even just a direction please, i have no idea what to do |
| 14:30.13 | Antoine | Or do my computer keeps logs since I first installed debian on it? |
| 14:30.14 | ziGuy | A reminder: Last night i tried to connect a second monitor with a DVI connector.The computer freezed and when i rebooted it, it stuck after grub tried to start the system, I now started it via a debian i've got on Disk On KeyAny ideas? please |
| 14:30.17 | Antoine | does* |
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| 14:30.21 | greycat | If Mr. or Ms. Paranoid Tin Foil Hat (henceforth "Hatty") wants a randomized hostname every reboot, then ... I still strongly disagree, but Hatty can feel free to run pwgen or whatever to get the random hostname, and set that via the hostname(1) command, and modify all the umpteen trillion files that will have to be modified for stuff not to break. |
| 14:30.26 | greycat | None of that requires a user's dot files. |
| 14:30.34 | dtcrshr | sorry greycat that you dont have the knowlege or sensibility to understand about hardware deployment, good luck |
| 14:30.46 | earend1 | ziGuy: is it a onboard card? |
| 14:30.58 | ziGuy | No, ati radeon |
| 14:31.02 | ziGuy | some old one |
| 14:31.33 | dtcrshr | thanks griffrawk for the tips, have a nice day y'all |
| 14:31.34 | joepublic | systemd does a pretty good job changing hostnames. systemctl hostname something or other, I think. |
| 14:31.41 | xbow | ziGuy: what gfx card you got? |
| 14:31.44 | greycat | ... |
| 14:31.49 | griffrawk | dtcrshr: np. Glad to help. |
| 14:31.53 | greycat | HOW AND WHY WOULD YOU KNOW SUCH A THING |
| 14:32.07 | earend1 | ziGuy: not onboard? because they sometimes have a relevant bios switch ... you couldlook for |
| 14:32.41 | joepublic | I had a machine named problem once, kept crashing, I changed its hostname to solution - 137 days uptime at the moment. |
| 14:32.52 | xbow | ehehe joepublic |
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| 14:34.54 | ziGuy | not onboard, but it's strange i didn't change any setting |
| 14:34.58 | xbow | ziGuy: just do # xrandr |
| 14:35.22 | xbow | ziGuy: with xrandr you should see all screens |
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| 14:36.09 | ziGuy | root@debDOK:/home/ziguy# xrandr xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default |
| 14:36.20 | ziGuy | Screen 0: minimum 640 x 400, current 1280 x 1024, maximum 1280 x 1024default connected primary 1280x1024+0+0 0mm x 0mm |
| 14:36.45 | ziGuy | (i disconnected the new monitor and stayed with the old one) |
| 14:37.34 | xbow | is reading backlog |
| 14:39.21 | xbow | ziGuy: how is the current monitor connected? hdmi? |
| 14:40.22 | ziGuy | vga :-| |
| 14:41.49 | ziGuy | tried with only the secondry monitor via DVI and it doesn't work either |
| 14:42.35 | ziGuy | again, via my portable OS - no problem. it's driving me crazy as i didn't change nothing in Xorg.conf or something like this |
| 14:43.18 | ziGuy | btw i've got this msg now (portable os): [ 6.111620] [drm] radeon kernel modesetting enabled.[ 6.111682] [drm:radeon_pci_probe] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-linux-nonfree. |
| 14:43.36 | ziGuy | but i think it's not related and it's work anyway |
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| 14:48.13 | xbow | ziGuy: just to be sure |
| 14:48.28 | xbow | ziGuy: do apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 14:48.57 | xbow | ziGuy: and reboot |
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| 14:54.28 | ziGuy | Sorry, i gtg, will post back inm few hours i hope |
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| 15:09.54 | RLa | any reason why I get forbidden access on debian wiki? |
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| 15:10.50 | greycat | There's some kind of firewall that blocks certain people from it, but I've only seen it mentioned sporadically over the years, and nobody seems to know anything about it. |
| 15:11.16 | RLa | certain people? |
| 15:11.22 | RLa | you mean ip addresses? |
| 15:11.30 | greycat | If you can find someone who can answer these questions, excellent. |
| 15:12.09 | RLa | I guess I will have to use vpn to access it |
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| 15:14.05 | RLa | nah, I can access cached wiki pages on google |
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| 15:17.54 | danielh123 | Hi, I just installed Debian 10 on a new machine, configured, transferred data. Then I accidentally removed the last LUKS key (there are no keyslots enabled), but the machine is still on. Any pointers on how to recover the master key when dmsetup just won't work? |
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| 15:26.38 | Antoine | Hello, are logs deleted automatically after some time? |
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| 15:27.10 | greycat | Depends on which log. They are all special snowflakes. |
| 15:30.51 | zodd_ | In a bashscript I want to create symlinks in subdir A pointing to files in subdir B. So I *presume* I need absolute paths or what would be the best way as relative paths do not seem to work as they are taken relatively from A and not the location of the executing script? |
| 15:31.04 | Antoine | Let's say /var/log/syslog then. I see syslog.7.gz, is it a week then? |
| 15:31.20 | greycat | zodd_: the decision of whether to use absolute or relative links is YOURS to make, and it depends on how the resulting symlink farm is going to be used. |
| 15:31.23 | zodd_ | Antoine, check out your logrotation software (config) |
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| 15:31.52 | uRock | I was under the impression that they were compressed daily |
| 15:32.37 | greycat | zodd_: If the farm will be mounted in various places (either NFS/sshfs/SMB/CIFS, or a portable device, or simply being moved in the future), and if the symlinks are INTERNAL (pointing to other things inside the mounted hierarchy), you definitely want RELATIVE symlinks. |
| 15:32.45 | Antoine | zodd_: Is it handled by logrorate by default in Debian? |
| 15:33.00 | RLa | conf should be in /etc/logrotate |
| 15:33.13 | zodd_ | greycat, the resulting symlinks will be used in scripts residing in subdir A |
| 15:33.18 | greycat | Antoine: there isn't a single answer for every log file. Every log file is SPECIAL. Many are handled by logrotate. Many are not. |
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| 15:33.53 | greycat | zodd_: It doesn't matter who USES them. What matters is what they POINT TO and the SEMANTICS of the OVERARCHING STRUCTURE. |
| 15:33.54 | Antoine | Ok :) |
| 15:34.00 | Antoine | But the all rotate, right? |
| 15:34.05 | greycat | _anb: NO!!!! |
| 15:34.09 | greycat | Antoine: no!!!! |
| 15:34.23 | greycat | EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. IS. DIFFERNT> |
| 15:34.32 | Antoine | Then I might need to remove those that don't rotate |
| 15:34.36 | Antoine | at some point |
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| 15:37.00 | Ede|Popede | you don't have to, there's enough other stuff filling your disk. |
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| 15:38.55 | Antoine | Ede|Popede: What should I look for when removing stuff? My emails at some point but other than that I'm not sure |
| 15:39.05 | Antoine | apt autoclean maybe? |
| 15:39.18 | greycat | What are you trying to do? |
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| 15:40.12 | Ede|Popede | Antoine: if you don't want to keep the debs, ok. i only have 15GB on / atm (will change with buster due to mergedusrbin or what they call it) and it's the 2nd release i can't manage to fill it. |
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| 15:41.25 | Antoine | greycat: Nothing at the moment, just understand if there are things that might fill up my disk that I'm not aware of |
| 15:41.56 | greycat | Only if something goes haywire, or if your disk is severely undersized for your purposes. |
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| 15:42.41 | Antoine | Ok then :), thanks |
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| 15:43.04 | Antoine | I have 8 gb out of 80 and I installed in 2016 so I'm fine actually haha |
| 15:43.15 | greycat | The most likely thing for most people would be the gradual accumulation of .deb files in /var/cache/apt/ if you use apt-get rather than apt. |
| 15:43.21 | Ede|Popede | Antoine: depends on your partitioning. and what you do. media is the thing to look for, but video and audio may go to a data disk anyway, if not even to a media server. and then there are packages like office and java. |
| 15:44.16 | Antoine | greycat: What's the difference between apt-get and apt with data flling up storage? |
| 15:44.27 | greycat | apt-get doesn't remove the .deb files it downloads. apt does. |
| 15:44.31 | Ede|Popede | and if you really want to *know* it for your actual installation, there are tooles like jdiskreport, i think every DE comes with its own. you just have to decide of you prefer bars or cushion sheets ;) |
| 15:44.32 | Antoine | Ede|Popede: Ok makes sense :) |
| 15:44.35 | greycat | (these are defaults, and you can change them) |
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| 15:45.05 | zleap | hi all |
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| 15:45.56 | zleap | quick question, on Debian 10 if I apt remove chromium then apt install chromium will this reinstall just the browser and leave settings etc intact, asking as I know apt purge removes everything, I am trying to resolve chromium being very slow |
| 15:46.20 | greycat | any settings in your $HOME will not be touched, even if you purge the package rather than removing it |
| 15:46.29 | greycat | and I can't think of any system-wide configuration settings for a web browser |
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| 15:46.34 | zleap | thanks |
| 15:47.16 | zleap | ok i will try that, scratch seems very slow and sluggish, posted a message to the debian-users list so if this works, then i may have a solution |
| 15:47.43 | BCMM | zleap: ~/.config/chromium is what you need to delete if you want to reset your settings |
| 15:47.55 | zleap | ok |
| 15:48.02 | zleap | i have done the reset to defaults thing |
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| 15:48.08 | zleap | but that has not made a difference |
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| 15:52.41 | zleap | BCMM: if I rename the ./config/chromium folder to chromium-backup is that the same as removing it |
| 15:52.48 | BCMM | yes |
| 15:52.57 | BCMM | chromium doesn't have any way of guessing where you moved it to |
| 15:53.00 | zleap | ok done that, so i just reload chromium |
| 15:53.12 | zleap | lets see if it is any faster |
| 15:53.41 | humpled | scratch the mit programming for kids thing? |
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| 15:54.12 | zleap | humpled: yeah I run code club |
| 15:54.24 | humpled | nice |
| 15:54.46 | zleap | hpwever I want to make an activity for a library event but it is so slow it is impossib;e to do anything |
| 15:54.58 | humpled | is it still on flash? |
| 15:54.58 | zleap | it was fine before stretch -> buster upgrade |
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| 15:55.03 | zleap | no webgl |
| 15:55.08 | humpled | oh |
| 15:55.10 | zleap | hence it wont work on firefox |
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| 16:01.31 | zleap | I am trying (well struggling ) to enable it on firefox |
| 16:01.39 | zleap | i think it seems to be some sort of javascript thing |
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| 16:05.40 | zleap | ok my browser doesn't support webgl |
| 16:05.57 | zleap | it suggests upgrading my graphics driver but I struggle with that on Debian as it is |
| 16:07.13 | danielh123 | How can I read logon type keys from the kernel keyring as root? |
| 16:07.51 | danielh123 | (when the man page says it's not possible from userspace but the keys are clearly in memory and I am, well, root...) |
| 16:09.58 | zleap | is there a tool in debian to manage graphics drivers like there is in ubuntu or mint, as in allows me to change the driver i am using |
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| 16:18.20 | v1nc1_ | <zleap> name of this tools is ? |
| 16:21.33 | Soo_Slow | does anybody there use hexchat for irc? Is it possible to change theme without forgetting older settings completely (so in case something will go wrong, I ll be able to revert back)? |
| 16:21.45 | RLa | if I went to install debian on a recent laptop, should I go with stretch or buster? |
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| 16:22.04 | RLa | I'm using hexchat but have no idea about settings |
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| 16:22.12 | RLa | default theme is annoying tho |
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| 16:22.33 | koollman | Soo_Slow: I'm fairly sure you can save the configuration file or folder before trying that |
| 16:22.55 | greycat | RLa: I would expect buster to have better support for "recent" hardware. Make sure you use the non-free netinst images. |
| 16:23.17 | RLa | are there non-free full images? |
| 16:23.26 | greycat | Yes, those also exist. |
| 16:23.34 | Soo_Slow | koollman, sure I can. But I thought if there is some built-in feature to switch themes "on fly" |
| 16:23.41 | RLa | it's t480s and likely needs inter wireless firmware |
| 16:23.50 | RLa | intel's* |
| 16:25.09 | uRock | RLa, https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 16:28.20 | RLa | uRock, should I take 10.0.0+nonfree or rc3+nonfree? |
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| 16:29.04 | greycat | rc means Release Candidate. That's older. |
| 16:29.29 | zleap | v1nc1_: hardware something, not sure not used mint or ubuntu in a while |
| 16:29.37 | zleap | or driver manager |
| 16:29.43 | RLa | oh, buster was released a week ago! |
| 16:29.44 | dashs | upgrade woe- changed sources.list to deb.debian.org, and libappstream fails for apt update to buster |
| 16:29.47 | RLa | nice |
| 16:30.00 | zleap | essentially I am being told to upgrade my video driver, |
| 16:30.11 | greycat | almost 2 weeks |
| 16:30.11 | zleap | not even sure that will fix the issues with scratch being so slow |
| 16:30.27 | zleap | back shortly |
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| 16:36.10 | zleap | RLa: yeah |
| 16:36.17 | zleap | July 6th or 7th |
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| 16:41.05 | docarys | Any decent guides to learn how the new nft(ables) works? |
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| 16:52.59 | han-solo | RLa: i installed stretch for some reason on my new laptop, and it didn't install the video drivers and wifi stuff properly, a upgrade to buster did fix everything |
| 16:53.56 | RLa | han-solo, I also had issues with video on my older laptop but this one only got cpu-based video interface, so it should be good |
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| 16:54.55 | uRock | "it should be good" famous last words, lol. |
| 16:55.05 | RLa | it also needed some tuning for coming out of sleep but I just used a small script to directly change acpi setting through /proc |
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| 17:09.02 | dashs | han-solo just curious what laptop hdw? |
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| 17:11.31 | han-solo | dashs: HP probook 430 G6 |
| 17:11.59 | dashs | Like it? |
| 17:12.08 | han-solo | it had all those UEFI, secure boot stuff i had to mess |
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| 17:12.23 | han-solo | dashs: Sure, it is compact and nice |
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| 17:41.51 | hugepolly | trying to crossbuild libssl1.1 using sbuild on amd64 for armhf - im getting a few errors like this ' |
| 17:41.54 | hugepolly | dh_shlibdeps -a -L libssl1.1 |
| 17:41.56 | hugepolly | dpkg-shlibdeps: error: cannot find library libdl.so.2 needed by debian/libssl1.1-udeb/usr/lib/libssl.so.1.1 (ELF format: 'elf32-littlearm' abi: '0101002800000000'; RPATH: '') |
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| 17:43.10 | hugepolly | https://pastebin.com/n5zAN8jk |
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| 17:48.22 | hugepolly | heres the whole log https://clbin.com/COCkc |
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| 18:33.26 | ponyofdeath | hi, I am unable to mount two btrfs subvol=@root and subvol=@home with systemd timeing out and dropping to recovery shell. as soon as I disable /home mount in fstab everything starts up. anyone know whats going on here? |
| 18:33.57 | CrazyTux | hello, what advantages does Debian have over distros based on debian like mx linux? for newbies? |
| 18:34.23 | CrazyTux | is mx linux not easier to install and use as compared to debian? |
| 18:35.23 | noln | ponyofdeath, please post the btrfs lines of /etc/fstab on paste.debian.net |
| 18:35.30 | ratrace | CrazyTux: you should ask the mx linux folks that |
| 18:35.40 | diogenes_ | CrazyTux, different strokes for different folks. |
| 18:35.46 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 18:36.52 | ponyofdeath | noln: its UUID=blah / defaults,subvol=@root 0 0 and UUID=blah /home defaults,subvol=@home |
| 18:37.10 | ponyofdeath | tried using the x-systemd before and requires / but did not change anything |
| 18:37.22 | uRock | CrazyTux, I've completed a few Debian installs over the past few days. Only had ONE little hiccup and it was easy to fix. |
| 18:37.25 | petn-randall | CrazyTux: You can pick whatever derivative you like, but the more specific the distro, the smaller the support community around it. |
| 18:37.52 | ratrace | ponyofdeath: add "nofail" to mount options for /home and then check the logs once it boots, what went wrong |
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| 18:38.21 | ponyofdeath | ratrace: it already stops at and fails to remount / as well |
| 18:38.34 | noln | ponyofdeath, mount -osubvol=@home -U blah /mnt |
| 18:38.54 | ponyofdeath | noln: if i remove /home from fstab it boots fine |
| 18:39.02 | ponyofdeath | then i uncomment /home in fstab and do mount /home |
| 18:39.04 | ponyofdeath | it mounts fine |
| 18:39.16 | ponyofdeath | its the combination of both of them in fstab |
| 18:39.24 | ratrace | ponyofdeath: can you do what i mentioned? |
| 18:39.33 | CrazyTux | petn-randall: ok |
| 18:39.50 | ponyofdeath | ratrace: ok let me try that |
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| 18:46.49 | ponyofdeath | ratrace: ok so now systemd continues, the timeout is still waiting will see systemctl --failed after it times out |
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| 18:47.52 | fusion809 | Hi folks, whenever I try to launch sagemath with (`sage`) on Debian 10 I get the error: /bin/sage: line 244: /bin/sage-env: No such file or directory. |
| 18:48.03 | fusion809 | This is sagemath installed from the official repos |
| 18:48.09 | fusion809 | Any ideas what I need to do? |
| 18:48.19 | fusion809 | I have Google searched for a package that provides that I can't find any useful results |
| 18:48.24 | greycat | sounds like this sage-env program didn't get installed for whatever reason |
| 18:48.28 | fusion809 | I've searched packages.debian.org for a package providing that |
| 18:48.33 | fusion809 | Can't find any |
| 18:48.35 | nkuttler | fusion809: looks like that file is in sagemath-common: /usr/share/sagemath/bin/sage-env |
| 18:48.47 | nkuttler | and maybe an alternative is missing |
| 18:48.48 | fusion809 | sagemath-common is installed |
| 18:48.54 | nkuttler | yup |
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| 18:49.10 | greycat | oh, by "official repos" he meant from Debian |
| 18:49.22 | fusion809 | Yep |
| 18:50.00 | fusion809 | I even just tried reinstall sagemath with APT and I still get this sage-env error |
| 18:50.07 | fusion809 | So what am I meant to do? |
| 18:50.11 | nkuttler | fusion809: do you know what a symlink is? |
| 18:50.43 | fusion809 | Ah fair enough, just symlink between that file and /bin/sage-env, just thought there was a more Debian-specific way of setting this up |
| 18:51.14 | nkuttler | there is, the alternatives system i already mentioned |
| 18:51.33 | nkuttler | though i guess that serves a different purpose really |
| 18:51.43 | nkuttler | fusion809: in any case, you should file a bug report |
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| 18:52.57 | greycat | have you tried reinstalling sagemath-common yet? |
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| 18:55.20 | greycat | I don't know anything about this package, but... the fact that the program actually lives in /usr/share/sagemath/bin/sage-env but the error says /bin/sage-env makes me wonder whether something is supposed to run chrooted to /usr/share/sagemath and is failing to do that |
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| 18:59.22 | fusion809 | OK, just filed one. |
| 18:59.33 | fusion809 | (bug report) |
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| 19:02.30 | ziGuy | Guys, after grub is starting up, my monitor is going down. i thought a dist-upgrade to debian 10 will solve this but now i don't have access even if i set the boot flag init=/bin/bash :-|, any suggestions? |
| 19:03.45 | noln | sagemath is a moving target and becomes obsolete quickly, and (so far) is not getting the load of bugfixes found upstream, so consider running upstream if this is something long-term |
| 19:04.19 | noln | I'm speaking of stable, ofc, not testing or sid |
| 19:05.34 | diogenes_ | ziGuy, try: nomodeset acpi=off as grub params |
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| 19:08.02 | ziGuy | Thanks, i'll try in a minute and let you know |
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| 19:28.01 | NetTerminalGene | guys, default debian (without blobs) works fine with ryzen 3200G? |
| 19:28.11 | NetTerminalGene | buster |
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| 19:48.27 | NetTerminalGene | :/ |
| 19:49.12 | humpled | ? |
| 19:50.21 | NetTerminalGene | humpled, no one answers my question |
| 19:51.05 | humpled | maybe no one has a card like yours |
| 19:51.34 | greycat | I think it's a CPU, not a card, but the question was so incredibly hyper-focused and specialized that only someone with that EXACT piece of hardware can answer it. |
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| 19:52.28 | NetTerminalGene | yeah |
| 19:52.57 | humpled | i keep meaning to look for some lists of known supported hardware, there used to be lists like this |
| 19:53.13 | greycat | !ryzen |
| 19:53.26 | greycat | Hmm, a bit surprising there's nothing at all. |
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| 19:55.50 | rabbitear_sdf | bad googling skills |
| 19:56.40 | rabbitear_sdf | or burn out, one of the two |
| 19:57.01 | greycat | the first google results I get for debian on ryzen are talking about stretch |
| 19:57.12 | rabbitear_sdf | wow |
| 19:57.23 | rabbitear_sdf | what a stretch |
| 19:57.27 | greycat | talking about is bad, because it means people are asking how to make it work on stretch |
| 19:57.34 | NetTerminalGene | there is 2200G stuff ddg |
| 19:58.09 | rabbitear_sdf | yeah, did you try yahoo greycat ? |
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| 19:58.29 | rabbitear_sdf | you might get a different second link |
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| 19:59.52 | greycat | At this point the only thing I can say is "don't bother trying stretch or older on it". I don't know whether buster will work well or not. Someone would have to try it and report the results. |
| 20:00.18 | rabbitear_sdf | greycat: search engine by post |
| 20:01.12 | rabbitear_sdf | greycat: you sound like you know what you are doing ;) |
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| 20:01.51 | humpled | silly rabbit |
| 20:02.21 | dan_kelly | Hello |
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| 20:03.06 | rabbitear_sdf | tricks are not for kids ! |
| 20:03.35 | humpled | get back in the hat plz |
| 20:03.54 | rabbitear_sdf | well I'm looking for my american express card |
| 20:04.20 | dan_kelly | Debian 10 user needs a little help please |
| 20:04.45 | rabbitear_sdf | gives dan_kelly $100 |
| 20:05.30 | uRock | Shrek's giving away money now? |
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| 20:05.59 | rabbitear_sdf | its the only way to make people smile anymore |
| 20:06.04 | dan_kelly | $100 will get me to hop distros |
| 20:06.23 | rabbitear_sdf | its not enough? |
| 20:07.00 | uRock | dan_kelly, what's your issue? get it out on the table. |
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| 20:07.15 | dan_kelly | Have camera trouble with Google Hangouts |
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| 20:08.14 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: well thats sad, and why just hangouts? |
| 20:08.30 | ziGuy | i messed up everything. |
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| 20:09.09 | rabbitear_sdf | class class, quiet down |
| 20:09.26 | ziGuy | can't bring up interface now: iptables-restore... line 2: table_flush failed (device or resource busy) |
| 20:09.48 | ziGuy | line6: chain_user_add failed (file exists) |
| 20:10.34 | rabbitear_sdf | ziGuy: whats the difference from your iptables to your interface? |
| 20:11.39 | dan_kelly | Don't know. Work on Stream Yard and Jitsi. Also turns on in cheeze |
| 20:12.17 | ziGuy | what do you mean? |
| 20:12.25 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: what browser? |
| 20:12.33 | rabbitear_sdf | ziGuy: what is the differnece? |
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| 20:13.12 | ziGuy | can you tell me how to check? |
| 20:13.28 | dan_kelly | Chrome, chromium, Vivaldi |
| 20:13.31 | rabbitear_sdf | ziGuy: check what? |
| 20:13.53 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: could be DRM thing, but I don't really know |
| 20:14.06 | ziGuy | i don't realy understand how to compare an interface with iptables, sorry |
| 20:14.19 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: any other browsers pick up the mic and cam? |
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| 20:15.18 | ziGuy | is there anyway to reset iptables? not just the rules as it doesn't work |
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| 20:16.36 | rabbitear_sdf | ziGuy: yes |
| 20:16.47 | uRock | ziGuy, check out https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-list-and-delete-iptables-firewall-rules |
| 20:16.54 | rabbitear_sdf | ziGuy: you flush all the tables |
| 20:17.05 | uRock | it lists the commands you're looking for |
| 20:17.07 | dan_kelly | Mic,all of the work. Camera Hangout only problem |
| 20:17.17 | rabbitear_sdf | ziGuy: flush is a good word for iptables |
| 20:17.30 | ziGuy | flushing didn't work, same message |
| 20:17.37 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: work in what website? |
| 20:17.54 | rabbitear_sdf | ziGuy: you have to flush all the tables |
| 20:17.56 | jmcnaught | dan_kelly: do you get an error in chromium or does it just fail silently? What if you run chromium from a terminal to see its text output? |
| 20:17.58 | rabbitear_sdf | ziGuy: -t |
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| 20:18.36 | ziGuy | -F? |
| 20:18.45 | rabbitear_sdf | ziGuy: -t! |
| 20:18.47 | ziGuy | the chains are empty, nothing to flush |
| 20:18.56 | rabbitear_sdf | ziGuy: you -F all the -t's |
| 20:19.00 | rabbitear_sdf | no chains |
| 20:19.01 | ziGuy | iptables -t? |
| 20:19.03 | rabbitear_sdf | tables |
| 20:19.11 | rabbitear_sdf | this is iptables not ipchains |
| 20:19.29 | rabbitear_sdf | man iptables ziGuy |
| 20:19.39 | rabbitear_sdf | nat table filter table, etc |
| 20:20.05 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.10 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:20.23 | rabbitear_sdf | yeah, but your missing the tables |
| 20:20.51 | dan_kelly | No errors, the camera is recognized but does not turn on. I did do a search but nothing helpful. Camera is a Logitec c922 |
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| 20:21.26 | jmcnaught | dan_kelly: no errors even if you run chromium from a terminal? Does it work in firefox-esr? |
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| 20:21.40 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: its not about the camera if it works sometimes |
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| 20:23.03 | dan_kelly | No in terminal and no in firefox esr |
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| 20:23.45 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: how do you know your browser lets you use its camera at all? |
| 20:24.10 | dan_kelly | Camera does show up as Logitec C922 but don't turn on. |
| 20:25.04 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: look, but it doesn't matter if it works like say with cheese, because the browser sounds like its blocking it |
| 20:25.06 | dan_kelly | Camera Works with everything else but Google Hangouts |
| 20:25.20 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: I don't believe you |
| 20:25.42 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: you got any other cam app for the browser? |
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| 20:26.36 | diogenes_ | dan_kelly, on firefox? |
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| 20:26.51 | dan_kelly | Stream Yard and jitsi works fine in the browsers |
| 20:27.29 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: does google have a 1-800 number you can call? |
| 20:27.38 | jmcnaught | dan_kelly: if some sites work in the browser and only google hangouts does not then it sounds like a google issue. |
| 20:27.55 | dan_kelly | Dont Know |
| 20:27.59 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: file a bug report |
| 20:28.03 | dan_kelly | maybe |
| 20:28.41 | diogenes_ | if it's ff then hangouts don't support ff, chrome user agent needed. |
| 20:28.45 | ziGuy | ok, was not familiar with -t. 1 error is gone but still: line 2: TABLE_FLUSH failed (Device or resource busy): table filter |
| 20:28.48 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: usually I think those are DRM things, but could be wrong too |
| 20:28.59 | uRock | dan_kelly, https://support.google.com/hangouts/?hl=en#topic=6386410 |
| 20:29.07 | ziGuy | i ran among the rest:iptables -t filter -F |
| 20:29.25 | rabbitear_sdf | ziGuy: -t nat too |
| 20:29.32 | ziGuy | already did |
| 20:29.48 | rabbitear_sdf | then --list-rules for each -t |
| 20:29.54 | ziGuy | mangle as well |
| 20:29.58 | dan_kelly | Hangouts does work in Linux Mint and Ubuntu, But I want to get away from them. To much drama! |
| 20:29.59 | rabbitear_sdf | yeah |
| 20:30.17 | rabbitear_sdf | ziGuy: so you are back to your interface only |
| 20:31.04 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: that is because human beings |
| 20:31.21 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: they are not monks |
| 20:31.48 | rabbitear_sdf | only *I*, j/k |
| 20:32.46 | rabbitear_sdf | ziGuy: 'ip' command like 'ip addr show' helps |
| 20:33.04 | rabbitear_sdf | and I miss ifconfig ;( |
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| 20:33.20 | dan_kelly | @uRock Been to that support page. Not much help. I did look around before coming here. |
| 20:33.31 | uRock | dan_kelly, kool |
| 20:33.39 | uRock | I was hoping there'd be something |
| 20:33.59 | rabbitear_sdf | uRock: now you know |
| 20:34.29 | uRock | rabbitear_sdf, Know what? |
| 20:34.40 | rabbitear_sdf | what's on the page |
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| 20:34.50 | uRock | but I don't |
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| 20:35.03 | rabbitear_sdf | well you know now what is not on the page |
| 20:35.22 | ziGuy | Yay! i had some very old script (2013) in /etc/network/*pre-ups... |
| 20:35.38 | rabbitear_sdf | \o/ success ziGuy |
| 20:36.06 | rabbitear_sdf | ziGuy: but anything could of put up that interface probably |
| 20:36.42 | xaeB5 | can anyone recommend a sound recorder in debian repos? just need something simple to record audio from the computer microphone |
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| 20:37.02 | ziGuy | now is the real fun :-| original issue was the my monitor shut down right after grub. i've just replaced the video card and now checking... give me few moments please |
| 20:37.03 | rabbitear_sdf | sox |
| 20:37.13 | ws2k3 | im on debian jessie. i wish to install mysql 5.5.60 by default it installs 5.5.62 is it possible to hard say i wanne install 5.5.60? |
| 20:37.22 | nifker | There is no firefox with wayland support in the debian repo, or? |
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| 20:37.30 | dan_kelly | Does anyone use Google Hangout on debian and does it even work? |
| 20:37.50 | uRock | xaeB5, https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=sound-recorder |
| 20:37.51 | jmcnaught | nifker: not yet but it works under xwayland okay |
| 20:38.10 | ziGuy | after blacklisted nvidia in every possoble way now i need to bring it back again :-| |
| 20:38.12 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: we use the phone/android |
| 20:38.16 | nifker | notifications cause it too freeze 1-2secs |
| 20:38.39 | uRock | dan_kelly, it works |
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| 20:38.54 | uRock | but I don't use audio/video |
| 20:39.35 | jmcnaught | ws2k3: why can't you use the mysql-server 5.5.62-0+deb8u1 that is in the repo? |
| 20:40.00 | jmcnaught | nifker: what notifications? firefox-esr hangs? |
| 20:40.22 | nifker | jmcnaught: firefox notifications from websites |
| 20:40.54 | ws2k3 | jmcnaught cause im migrating an older wheezy server to a newer sollution and i wish to stay on exacly the same version of possible |
| 20:41.03 | rabbitear_sdf | actually I was trying to use google-chrome with matrix, to video chat, and it had some protections which I never figured out what where, but I have a feeling because I'm a scienist, that it was a drm thing |
| 20:41.15 | dan_kelly | We use it on many Linux YouTube channels to do shows. |
| 20:42.05 | jmcnaught | ws2k3: are you migrating the database by doing a mysqldump? |
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| 20:42.17 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: but, the issue is inside that browser, I'd bet |
| 20:42.17 | ws2k3 | jmcnaught no. using drbd |
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| 20:42.27 | ws2k3 | jmcnaught to a new filesystem on another server |
| 20:42.31 | phogg | dan_kelly: isn't hangouts being shut down later this year? |
| 20:43.00 | uRock | phogg, it starts going down for users in october |
| 20:43.07 | uRock | down for good next year |
| 20:43.17 | phogg | sounds like he needs a new plan in any case, then |
| 20:43.26 | rabbitear_sdf | it was getting its jabber (I forgot the letters) part of it taken away a couple of years ago phogg |
| 20:43.45 | rabbitear_sdf | but it actually didn't happen, they lied, it still does jabber |
| 20:44.11 | rabbitear_sdf | or maybe I'm lying, but pidgin still works with hangouts |
| 20:44.15 | phogg | rabbitear_sdf: partly; people who had been using gmail addresses for jabber when it got sunsetted in *some* cases kept being able to use it for some years. I was one of the lucky ones. |
| 20:44.16 | jmcnaught | ws2k3: have you referred to the mysql documentation to see if that is a supported migration technique. I haven't used mysql in some time, but the way to do it before was using mysqldump |
| 20:44.33 | phogg | rabbitear_sdf: new gmail accounts won't work, though |
| 20:44.42 | phogg | hasn't tried it lately |
| 20:45.03 | jmcnaught | nifker: I would try running firefox from a terminal to see if you get any errors when it locks up |
| 20:45.41 | phogg | dan_kelly: seems like it would be pretty short-term valuable to find a way to make hangouts work again only to lose it in 3 months anyway. What do you use it for? Maybe there are better long term options. |
| 20:45.46 | ws2k3 | jmcnaught yes i know. but that isnt realy my question as of this moment. |
| 20:45.55 | dan_kelly | #<phogg> Ya but it would be nice to use it until we settle on something else |
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| 20:46.11 | ws2k3 | jmcnaught i just wish to install mysql 5.5.60 instead of 5.5.62 as of this moment |
| 20:46.16 | jmcnaught | ws2k3: no you cannot get other versions of mysql in jessie, only the one provided in the repos. |
| 20:46.37 | jmcnaught | ws2k3: do your mysql migration properly and you don't need to worry about this. |
| 20:47.19 | ws2k3 | jmcnaught i cant do a full lock on the database this would affect production. so how else im gonna do this? |
| 20:47.22 | rabbitear_sdf | phogg: no the site works, used to do hangouts |
| 20:47.36 | nifker | jmcnaught: seems like some synchronous IO - I get "(firefox-esr:23157): libnotify-WARNING **: 22:46:45.441: Failed to connect to proxy" |
| 20:48.02 | jmcnaught | nifker: something to look into at least |
| 20:48.08 | rabbitear_sdf | for instance it works in chromeOS |
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| 20:48.19 | ws2k3 | jmcnaught im reading that something like this should work apt-get install subversion=1.9.2-1 |
| 20:48.31 | rabbitear_sdf | and why not figure out why it doesn't work phogg ? |
| 20:48.54 | jmcnaught | ws2k3: use the command 'apt-cache policy <package>' to see which versions are available. |
| 20:49.02 | rabbitear_sdf | no matter how long its gonna be there, nothing is gonna be there evenually, save facebook |
| 20:49.18 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: you should make your own |
| 20:49.30 | jmcnaught | ws2k3: I strongly suggest that you test your migration strategy on some non-vital systems if not interrupting production is your concern. |
| 20:49.31 | dan_kelly | The device (camera) does show up in the browse setting and is Allowed. It just don't turn on with Hangouts |
| 20:49.39 | nifker | seems to be this issue https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1424344 |
| 20:49.44 | ws2k3 | jmcnaught then i see 5.5.62-0+deb8u1 0 and 5.5.60-0+deb8u1 0 the .60 is the version i want |
| 20:49.53 | phogg | rabbitear_sdf: why sink time into proprietary junk? |
| 20:50.04 | ws2k3 | jmcnaught yeah i know. im trying to do that now |
| 20:50.16 | rabbitear_sdf | phogg: true that, but its, good to know why too |
| 20:50.22 | jmcnaught | ws2k3: try it and see |
| 20:50.50 | rabbitear_sdf | phogg: I wonder what it takes to make your own ''hangouts'' |
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| 20:51.16 | phogg | dan_kelly: from anecdotal experience (from one of my brothers) hangouts audio/video has a very spotty record, even on Windows. He would get into situations on a week-by-week basis where it worked, stopped working, worked a bit, broke again, etc., all in new and interesting ways. Eventually he gave up on it and switched to something else. |
| 20:51.40 | phogg | rabbitear_sdf: less and less all the time. Key term: webrtc |
| 20:52.03 | rabbitear_sdf | phogg: I used matrix.org for video chat before, and on my end chrome was only letting me about 5 seconds of audio, via refreshing the page... |
| 20:52.24 | ws2k3 | jmcnaught this worked. great thanks! |
| 20:52.41 | rabbitear_sdf | phogg: I was thinking that is a ''security'' measure somewhere.. |
| 20:52.58 | phogg | rabbitear_sdf: it's a reasonable guess. |
| 20:53.21 | rabbitear_sdf | still unsolved, oh well |
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| 20:53.56 | dan_kelly | It works fine in Mint and Ubuntu. Been using it for two year. The trick is you must use a chromium based browser |
| 20:54.40 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: chromium != google-chrome |
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| 20:55.09 | dan_kelly | Ya, that too |
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| 20:56.52 | dan_kelly | I can even get Hangout to work in Arch, When Arch don't brake it self |
| 20:56.57 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: if you wanna go as far as something like 'diff'ing the difference from mint/ubuntu debian |
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| 21:00.01 | dan_kelly | I want to stay on debian it looks like I may need to use Ubuntu to do Hangouts until we fine something else |
| 21:00.44 | rabbitear_sdf | chromium might not have DRM built in |
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| 21:01.13 | rabbitear_sdf | firefox, you have to turn it on |
| 21:02.16 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: everybody thinks they are doing the right thing |
| 21:02.17 | dan_kelly | Chromiun works on Ubuntu and Mint and Arch right out of the box |
| 21:02.34 | rabbitear_sdf | but you can compile whatever you want in it |
| 21:02.56 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: leave out parts, like DRM etc, that have other types of liences etc |
| 21:03.54 | rabbitear_sdf | mint/ubuntu don't have as strick policy of what liences go into it |
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| 21:04.50 | rabbitear_sdf | so like, phogg is right, hangouts should and will mess you up if you depend on it |
| 21:05.06 | rabbitear_sdf | no matter what thing it needs |
| 21:06.05 | dan_kelly | Ok, I understand debian is not big on Non free packages. I went through that on the install. So maybe something is missing |
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| 21:07.01 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: its possible to add google-chrome along side of chromium |
| 21:07.13 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: its not free software friendly |
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| 21:11.21 | dan_kelly | This is the only issue I found with debian 10 so fear since it came out. It's a little thing, not enough to give up on it. |
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| 21:13.49 | dan_kelly | Thank's for your time! |
| 21:15.47 | coruja | dan_kelly, maybe https://github.com/yakyak/yakyak is 'something else'? |
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| 21:17.57 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: welcome! thanks for the issue |
| 21:18.02 | qman__ | Looks like netdata was removed from stretch-backports, anybody know what's up with that? |
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| 21:19.07 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: install from google's site, google-chrome, I believe there is a repo from google |
| 21:19.27 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: that should give you full non-free DRM and that crap |
| 21:20.03 | rabbitear_sdf | dan_kelly: https://www.google.com/chrome/ |
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| 21:26.24 | ziGuy | Guys, how can i know if i'm using KMS? |
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| 21:27.30 | rant | you're using kms |
| 21:27.41 | ziGuy | explain |
| 21:27.46 | BCMM | ziGuy: my machine says "[drm] initializing kernel modesetting (POLARIS10 0x1002:0x67DF 0x148C:0x2373 0xCF)." in dmesg, but i don't know if that's specific to the amdgpu driver |
| 21:28.18 | rant | no, there will be a drm kms line in anyone's kernel messages |
| 21:28.32 | rant | even if it didnt load successfully |
| 21:29.04 | BCMM | rant: what do you mean by "you're using kms". isn't it still all weird if you have proprietary nvidia drivers? |
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| 21:29.25 | ziGuy | well dmesg shows no kms line |
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| 21:29.36 | rant | hell if I know, I havent touched them in ages |
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| 21:29.58 | BCMM | rant: as in "initializing kernel modesetting" is just the subsystem loading, and doesn't indicate that it actually set a mode? |
| 21:30.38 | EmleyMoor | BCMM: If it didn't indicate failure, you're using it |
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| 21:31.07 | dan_kelly | Ok, Removed Chrome. Downloaded Chrome as a deb package and install it with gdebi. This fixed the problem, Camera turns on in ALL browser. Must need a package only found in Chrome. |
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| 21:34.22 | ziGuy | so? how should i know? have some lack of performance here i think |
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| 21:35.25 | rant | ziGuy: are you running X? what graphics card? |
| 21:35.37 | rant | if you are running a modern os, on modern hardware, you are using KMS |
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| 21:36.44 | debuser_ | Hi. I have a bit of an issue after upgrading to Buster, namely I can't seem to launch Weston/Wayland (from a VT console). This used to work fine in Stretch, so it seems to be a regression. If it matters, I'm on a fairly old Intel graphics, fut hw acceleration works fine under X. Thoughts? It's not a huge issue, just a bit weird |
| 21:36.51 | rant | there are only two other options.. UMS and no modesetting and UMS breaks most modern software, and no modesetting makes it impossible to display output if the machine screws up so.. |
| 21:37.01 | EmleyMoor | ziGuy, If it hasn't said it isn't working, it is. Simple as that. |
| 21:38.26 | ziGuy | video card is old: geforce 210 |
| 21:38.44 | BCMM | ziGuy: what driver are you using? |
| 21:39.10 | ziGuy | nouveau |
| 21:39.42 | ziGuy | you think i shall install nvidia's driver? |
| 21:40.06 | EmleyMoor | would avoid that unless nouveau plays up |
| 21:40.07 | ziGuy | as far as i remember they uses KMS |
| 21:40.07 | BCMM | pretty sure nouveau always uses kms |
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| 21:42.39 | ziGuy | ok, thanks |
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| 21:47.23 | rant | (lsmod;dmesg;cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log)|grep -Ei 'drm|kms|modesetting'|nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 21:47.26 | rant | https://termbin.com/gri1 |
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| 21:48.23 | rant | fwiw.. to further illustrate kms is the rule, not the exception |
| 21:48.34 | rant | even windows has used kms for decades |
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| 21:58.54 | debuser_ | Hi. I have a bit of an issue after upgrading to Buster, namely I can't seem to launch Weston/Wayland (from a VT console). This used to work fine in Stretch, so it seems to be a regression. If it matters, I'm on a fairly old Intel graphics, but HW accel works fine under X. Thoughts? It's not a huge issue, just a bit weird. It seems to go wrong with "failed to greate gbm surface", "Failed to init output gl state" |
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| 22:17.11 | nikil | i'm trying to pin a single package to testing using apt preferences, but i can't get it to work. any suggestions? paste.debian.net/1092387 |
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| 22:37.16 | berndj | Ede|Popede, i'm just surprised that './' is in the archive at all, and not just the couple of *.tar.gz files |
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| 22:38.39 | berndj | damn, i did it again. one level deeper. './' is inside control.tar.gz |
| 22:42.11 | Ede|Popede | berndj: maybe the reason for it *is* to allow setting attributes for the directory without giving it a name or creating an additional level in the tree. so the user is free to use a subdirectory or not. |
| 22:43.01 | berndj | Ede|Popede, was --one-top-level fictional or is it a real argument for some command? i didn't find it in the man pages for ar, tar, or dpkg |
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| 22:43.45 | berndj | and you can't unpack a tarball without being in a directory that exists at least as an inode. so it already has permissions; why does control.tar.gz need to impose new permissions? |
| 22:43.47 | Ede|Popede | and if, to name it at will. $pck or control-$pck or $pck-$version-control or whatever. also would prevent name clashes |
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| 22:44.27 | Ede|Popede | didn't check it before i think, but what happens to the directory mtime? |
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| 22:44.59 | berndj | well my /tmp mtime has been changed a zillion times since i borked it, so i don't know |
| 22:45.09 | Ede|Popede | berndj: GNU tar, section Overwrite Control |
| 22:46.37 | berndj | ah. --no-overwrite-dir. yeah, i'll try (lol) to remember that the next time i manually peek inside a .deb |
| 22:46.50 | Ede|Popede | berndj: i was referring to a precreated subdirectory. imagine you unpack a couple of DEBs this way, you could have a structure like $pck/$version/control or maybe control/$pck-$version or whatever |
| 22:47.08 | berndj | yes, you could, but that doesn't seem to be how it is no |
| 22:47.14 | berndj | how it is *now |
| 22:47.35 | Ede|Popede | so you create the directory for each of the control.tar.gz and unpack them all into that big control area. |
| 22:47.55 | berndj | i just don't see what value having './' in control.tar.gz adds |
| 22:48.58 | Ede|Popede | maybe it is needed if there are files on the top level or it allows at least for preset attribute values, maybe even ownership (don't forget, it is not used only for .deb), but at least the timestamp |
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| 22:54.04 | opv | good evening all |
| 22:54.14 | opv | i would like to know if there is a way to know the version of a package from the filesystem alone |
| 22:54.20 | berndj | Ede|Popede, why would it be needed? there's never a need to create './'; and as for permissions and ownership, './' already has those if it's the PWD of the process |
| 22:54.40 | opv | is there maybe like one big archive file from apt or man or whatever that i could grep? |
| 22:55.44 | humpled | do you mean like dpkg -l <package> opv ? |
| 22:55.55 | opv | yes, or binary --version |
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| 22:56.11 | opv | this however only by looking at files on the filesystem |
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| 22:56.33 | berndj | opv, i just ginned up this one-liner: sed -n '/Package: cups-filters$/,/^$/p' /var/lib/dpkg/status |grep Version |
| 22:57.30 | opv | check. thank you very much |
| 22:57.51 | berndj | that gives you the version the packaging system thinks the package has, not necessarily what's actually installed (like if you manually untarred a binaries tarball over your filesystem) |
| 22:58.07 | opv | naturally |
| 22:58.18 | opv | that's great |
| 22:58.29 | opv | i was looking in /var/cache/apt and other places |
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| 22:59.41 | Ede|Popede | berndj: not if you unpack it as root |
| 23:00.25 | berndj | Ede|Popede, if you're unpacking as root then you can unpack the other files on someone else's directory too :p |
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| 23:00.56 | berndj | (although there's probably some security-related race condition there - a baddie could jump in at just the right moment to replace a critical file) |
| 23:01.34 | humpled | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.46 | berndj | Ede|Popede, hmm, that's interesting. but i can't imagine installing a package involving cd'ing to random user-controlled directories where that's an issue? |
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| 23:03.38 | Ede|Popede | berndj: imagine a directory where processes running under different accounts use some subdirectories of their own and you want to backup them. you could create $dir.tgz with an extra ./$dir at top level and nothing else, or you have ./ with the correct attributes set and the tarball is unpacked into ./$dir again |
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| 23:07.03 | berndj | Ede|Popede, yeah i understand this in the abstract, but i don't understand how this makes it necessary for './' to be in control.tar.gz |
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| 23:13.42 | Ede|Popede | tar xf data.tar.xz --one-top-level <-- berndj, this works as expected, creates 'data' and extracts everything into it (timestamp is set to the value in the tar) |
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| 23:14.17 | Ede|Popede | does NOT work with the control file, seems it can't handle a file with the same name inside it :/ |
| 23:14.24 | berndj | ah. my version of tar doesn't have --one-top-level! |
| 23:14.29 | Ede|Popede | and iirc it isn't the first time i see this Oo |
| 23:14.35 | Ede|Popede | uh, what version? |
| 23:14.43 | berndj | 1.27.1 |
| 23:15.05 | Ede|Popede | tar (GNU tar) 1.29 -- from stretch |
| 23:15.21 | berndj | frankenjessie here |
| 23:15.25 | Ede|Popede | ouch |
| 23:16.10 | Ede|Popede | but i already thought that it may be rather new (2 minor difference) due to what looks like a bug |
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| 23:40.54 | roylaprattep | syslogin_perform_logout: logout() returned an error |
| 23:40.57 | roylaprattep | i have this error from sshd |
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| 23:47.21 | shellclear | Hi, everyone. I installed powerline and fonts-powerline package from debian buster repositories and configured everything according to instructions from powerline package in bash and tmux but I found a issue when I type a command that does not exist. the powerline prompt should show an character but it shows an error code 127 ... someone knows how to fix it? |
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| 23:48.20 | relaxed | roylaprattep: does "sudo systemctl status sshd" list that error? |
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| 23:52.07 | enri | buenas noches |
| 23:52.55 | enri | buenas noches |
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