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| 00:08.34 | uRock | When I run motion as user, I cannot view via the stream ports. When I run as root, it can be viewed. Looking at the log file, it has no errors and shows the streaming and webcontrol as started. Any ideas? |
| 00:12.44 | jmcnaught | uRock: what port is is trying to use? Only root can use ports less than 1000. |
| 00:13.54 | uRock | 8080 &8081 jmcnaught |
| 00:15.31 | Habbie | jmcnaught, 1024, just to nitpick |
| 00:15.32 | uRock | Oddly, it starts without error and shows it is seeing the correct conf and video directories. |
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| 00:15.44 | jmcnaught | Habbie: oh that's right |
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| 00:15.54 | Habbie | jmcnaught, certainly not the point here anyway |
| 00:17.42 | uRock | I'm about to walk out and trigger it to see if it actually creates a video file. |
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| 00:19.00 | uRock | wow, it even created the file, just unable to stream |
| 00:19.12 | jmcnaught | uRock: I don't use motion but it appears to create a motion user and run as a service (it has an init script), is that how you are using it? |
| 00:19.31 | uRock | yes |
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| 00:20.47 | friendofafriend | I'm trying to walk a Windows user through making a bootable live Debian Buster install on a thumb drive. Is there some application you'd recommend for writing the image on Windows? |
| 00:21.13 | jmcnaught | !win32diskimager |
| 00:21.13 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
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| 00:22.21 | friendofafriend | Thanks, jmcnaught. |
| 00:22.47 | uRock | clear |
| 00:22.56 | uRock | Oops, wrong window |
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| 00:24.56 | uRock | jmcnaught, I just realized I'm an id10t. I had the address wrong |
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| 00:43.18 | wasutton3 | I've just dist upgraded from stretch to buster, and i'm having issues with my sas card (LSI Logic / Symbios Logic SAS2116) no longer finding any hard drives attached to it via an expander. all drives worked properly before when running on stretch |
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| 01:02.32 | Bjornn | not an expert but I would be looking at sources.list for the non-free flag |
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| 01:11.02 | devslash | has anyone here installed rainloop on debian? |
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| 01:12.41 | petn-randall | devslash: it's best if you ask your real question, as probably many have it installed. |
| 01:12.47 | petn-randall | !popcon |
| 01:12.47 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package |
| 01:13.22 | devslash | is it possible to use rainloop on the same server as postfix ? i tried setting up rainloop but it doesnt accept localhost as the host name |
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| 01:14.31 | petn-randall | devslash: Sure, it does, you're just missing an IMAP server in between. |
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| 01:15.08 | devslash | what do you mean no im not |
| 01:15.20 | devslash | all my other external clients connect fine |
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| 01:15.38 | devslash | im using postfix + dovecot |
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| 01:16.12 | devslash | the only client that i still want to set up is a webmail client on the server. externa imap servers are able to connect to it |
| 01:16.15 | petn-randall | devslash: Ah, you didn't mention that before. |
| 01:16.35 | petn-randall | devslash: What error are you getting? |
| 01:16.45 | devslash | socketreadtimeoutexcfeption |
| 01:16.57 | devslash | Netclient.php ~ 514 |
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| 01:17.27 | petn-randall | devslash: What does `netstat -npl | grep dove` return? |
| 01:17.55 | devslash | a bunch of llisteners |
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| 01:19.03 | azeem | you see, petn-randall lost interest cause you didn't pastebin the exact output |
| 01:19.09 | devslash | i cant |
| 01:19.16 | azeem | ah? |
| 01:19.17 | devslash | i have no way to copy and paste from my server |
| 01:19.34 | azeem | !ssh |
| 01:19.34 | dpkg | [ssh] the Secure SHell; "aptitude install ssh" (<openssh>). Clients for other platforms include <putty> and <cygwin>. Programs to mitigate against brute-force attacks on your SSH server include <fail2ban> and <denyhosts>. See also <scp>, <sftp>, <ssh without password>, <ssh permissions>, <sshx>, <ssh linedraw>, <debug sshd>, <dropbear>, <ssh-copy-id>, <ssh verify key>. |
| 01:19.44 | devslash | im connected via ssh |
| 01:19.50 | devslash | im not a fcking newb |
| 01:20.03 | azeem | !pastebinit |
| 01:20.03 | dpkg | A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg 2>&1 | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 01:20.48 | relaxed | devslash: netstat -npl | grep dove| nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 01:20.49 | themill | devslash: swearing at volunteers is always the best way to get them to help you |
| 01:20.56 | devslash | good |
| 01:21.06 | relaxed | devslash: then share the url it returns |
| 01:21.59 | devslash | paste.debian.net/1092397 |
| 01:25.20 | devslash | the only issue that i am having is connect to dovecot from within my lan |
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| 01:27.01 | devslash | does everything look correct in the paste? |
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| 01:30.58 | devslash | is anyone here ? |
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| 01:34.50 | azeem | yeah, we're here |
| 01:35.34 | devslash | did u see my paste |
| 01:35.37 | joepublic | I thought you said it was f-----g impossible to paste? |
| 01:35.51 | devslash | thats not what i said |
| 01:35.59 | joepublic | i am parapharasing. |
| 01:36.03 | devslash | i said that i cannot copy paste over ssh |
| 01:36.03 | jmcnaught | that doesn't matter now |
| 01:36.09 | devslash | but i didnt do it that way |
| 01:38.16 | jmcnaught | devslash: can you walk us through what you've tried to do? The rainloop package's README.Debian says there's a sample for connecting to a local IMAP server at /etc/rainloop/domains/localhost.ini |
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| 01:38.42 | epony | What do you mean you can't paste? That's ridiculous, fix your term. |
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| 01:39.04 | devslash | extract RL to my web server, logged into admin tried to add domain |
| 01:39.54 | jmcnaught | devslash: why not use the Debian package? |
| 01:40.50 | devslash | i followed the instructions which said to extract the zip to your web server. easy enough |
| 01:41.20 | devslash | the instructions on the RL site |
| 01:41.32 | epony | Seems like the instructions were for Windows. |
| 01:41.35 | devslash | either way that doesnt matter |
| 01:41.45 | devslash | adding a domain is the same |
| 01:42.00 | devslash | because you have to do it in the admin page |
| 01:42.05 | devslash | of rainloop |
| 01:42.49 | jmcnaught | the admin page is disabled by default in the Debian package, you configure it with the ini file in /etc/rainloop/, and it also seems like localhost is set up out of the box with the Debian package |
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| 01:44.07 | devslash | i dont have rainloop in my repo though. im on stretch |
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| 01:45.27 | joepublic | "I am on oldstable" is, incidentally, in my opinion, an excellent reason not to be using the debian package. |
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| 01:45.44 | devslash | im on the newest debian |
| 01:45.50 | devslash | not following you |
| 01:45.55 | jmcnaught | buster is stable |
| 01:46.05 | petn-randall | devslash: stretch isn't the newest, it's oldstable. |
| 01:46.07 | joepublic | stretch isn't the newest debian, probably the source of misunderstanding there. |
| 01:46.50 | devslash | im on 9.9 |
| 01:46.59 | devslash | whatever code name that is |
| 01:47.04 | petn-randall | That is stretch. |
| 01:47.06 | jmcnaught | Debian 10 was released two weeks ago. |
| 01:47.13 | dvs | which is buster |
| 01:47.24 | devslash | oh ok |
| 01:47.37 | devslash | so stretch doesnt have RL |
| 01:47.49 | jmcnaught | Personally I would upgrade before deploying new services, one less thing that can go wrong during the upgrade. |
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| 01:48.03 | devslash | nah thats not worth doing right now |
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| 01:48.21 | joepublic | ok. |
| 01:48.25 | devslash | not when everything works perfectly and theres a high chance that everything will go to shit.. |
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| 01:49.04 | jmcnaught | devslash: well then I suggest you find your config file and put it in a paste, and a paste of whatever errors or logs you have. Also recognize that rainloop is not really in the scope of this channel, so you might need to go to upstream for support. |
| 01:49.37 | devslash | the thing is, i can coonnect to my mail server |
| 01:49.48 | devslash | its only rainloop that refuses to connect |
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| 01:49.49 | joepublic | i tend to make a dd or clonezilla copy of the device hosting my / file system before upgrade, giving me a low-tech "ah the heck with it" route back to where I was. mileage of others may and will vary |
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| 01:50.39 | BazookaTooth | that or tar up your /etc just in case |
| 01:51.41 | Toba | if you take anything, take /etc and /home |
| 01:51.47 | BazookaTooth | ^ |
| 01:51.47 | Toba | and /var sometimes |
| 01:51.58 | Toba | depending what you did with the server, I guess |
| 01:52.03 | BazookaTooth | yeah |
| 01:53.36 | devslash | im not upgrading |
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| 02:05.38 | BazookaTooth | fqdn versus localhost seems to be a thing with the config file. which is probably something obvious and i would assume you already tried |
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| 02:40.52 | squarecircle | ohai |
| 02:41.21 | squarecircle | I'm having here a fresh Buster install |
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| 02:41.35 | squarecircle | and its telling me, that zfs cant be installed |
| 02:42.04 | squarecircle | Errors were encountered while processing: zfsutils-linux zfs-zed |
| 02:42.10 | squarecircle | any ideas? |
| 02:44.03 | jmcnaught | !bat |
| 02:44.03 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 02:44.03 | annadane | you can install zfs from the installer? |
| 02:44.19 | annadane | oh i guess you didn't say "installing buster" |
| 02:47.58 | squarecircle | ? |
| 02:48.07 | squarecircle | is there a problem with buster? |
| 02:48.59 | joze | omen est nomen |
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| 02:49.57 | jmcnaught | There was confusion over whether you are installing buster, or have a fresh buster install. |
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| 02:52.40 | Guest23622 | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5kNSwyMzSt/ |
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| 02:53.10 | squarecircle | what Guest23622 postet |
| 02:53.18 | squarecircle | jmcnaught: ^ |
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| 02:54.33 | squarecircle | we have a fresh installed Buster / 10 and we like to install zfs |
| 02:55.37 | jmcnaught | squarecircle: seems to be failing because the zfs modules are missing, did you already install linux-headers-amd64 and zfs-dkms? |
| 02:56.53 | devslash | hey so i manually created a config file for rainloop but when i try to log into rainloop using username@domain.org and my password it says auth failed even thoguh im using the right password |
| 02:57.06 | Guest23622 | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tnMBCfJGGD/ |
| 02:57.13 | squarecircle | jmcnaught: ^ |
| 02:58.00 | jmcnaught | squarecircle: I would remove the zfs packages and then install them in the order suggested on this wiki page: https://wiki.debian.org/ZFS |
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| 03:02.08 | Guest23622 | jmcnaught: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gVTz8StSsx/ |
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| 03:03.19 | jmcnaught | Guest23622: so remove that zfsutils-linux package that is giving you the errors |
| 03:03.30 | uRock | wouldn't apt install -f fix that? |
| 03:03.46 | jmcnaught | Not if the underlying cause is not fixed. |
| 03:04.11 | uRock | k |
| 03:05.05 | jmcnaught | forcing something that's broken doesn't magically fix anything, it just leaves stuff broken (or just doesn't work) |
| 03:05.14 | devslash | jmcnaught, i am trying to log into rainloop using username@domain.org and my password but i get auth failed even though im using the right password. this is my rainloop domain config: http://paste.debian.net/1092401 |
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| 03:06.01 | uRock | jmcnaught, I only thought that because I ran that after installing chrome and getting errors, it removed Chrome all to gether |
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| 03:07.29 | jmcnaught | devslash: I would look at 'journalctl -u dovecot.service' to see if the login request is even hitting dovecot, and if there's an error there |
| 03:07.30 | axdoomer | Is it normal that Debian 7 boots super slowly on my Pentium II? I thought it supported old PCs. |
| 03:07.42 | devslash | oh ok cool thats really helpful thanks |
| 03:07.49 | rabbitear_sdf | axdoomer: yes |
| 03:08.06 | rabbitear_sdf | axdoomer: because of spinning disks |
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| 03:09.31 | jmcnaught | devslash: if you use -f with journalctl it will follow it live, like how 'tail -f foo.log' works |
| 03:10.00 | devslash | i found a problem that seems to only prevent logins with the web interface |
| 03:10.18 | devslash | but doesnt affect imap clients from mobile devices |
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| 03:10.35 | devslash | theres a config error in the dovecot config file 10 master.conf |
| 03:11.56 | Guest23622 | jmcnaught: Thank you very much, but it didn't work; We'll just go to sleep now |
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| 03:20.44 | devslash | jmcnaught, this is /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-master.conf http://paste.debian.net/1092403 when i do the journalctl command it says that theres an error in this config on line 79. missing { |
| 03:21.45 | devslash | but i still get that same error when commenting out the entire service auth block |
| 03:23.02 | rabbitear_sdf | put in the { ? |
| 03:23.11 | devslash | its not missing one |
| 03:23.22 | rabbitear_sdf | what about way at the bottom |
| 03:23.32 | devslash | https://pastebin.com/62M1GFUs |
| 03:23.41 | devslash | thats what that section is supposed to look like |
| 03:23.43 | rabbitear_sdf | how do you know that it is not missing one? |
| 03:23.56 | rabbitear_sdf | what did you do to figure out that it isn't missing one? |
| 03:24.16 | devslash | i commented it out |
| 03:24.17 | rabbitear_sdf | I don't need to look at that, the question is how do you know that? |
| 03:24.21 | rabbitear_sdf | no |
| 03:24.26 | devslash | the service auth block |
| 03:24.36 | rabbitear_sdf | you are avoiding my question |
| 03:24.44 | devslash | no i just answered it |
| 03:24.49 | rabbitear_sdf | how do you know that it isn't missing a {} |
| 03:25.01 | devslash | i checked i dont see a missing one |
| 03:25.12 | rabbitear_sdf | no I don't know how to do it, so you must not either |
| 03:25.37 | rabbitear_sdf | its not the right answer |
| 03:25.41 | devslash | i checked the entire file |
| 03:25.53 | rabbitear_sdf | what is checked mean? |
| 03:25.58 | devslash | every { has a closing } |
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| 03:26.05 | rabbitear_sdf | it doesn't |
| 03:26.17 | devslash | i dunno i dont see a missing one |
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| 03:26.28 | devslash | what line do you see a missing squiggly on |
| 03:26.46 | rabbitear_sdf | you could count the {'s and the }'s |
| 03:27.07 | devslash | i dont need to its not a very big file |
| 03:27.17 | devslash | i manually went through thr entire file twice |
| 03:27.48 | rabbitear_sdf | take one out and unbalance it then, see if it says the same thing |
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| 03:28.21 | jmcnaught | devslash: what is the exact error about that line? |
| 03:28.58 | devslash | Error in configuration file /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-master.conf Expecting '{' |
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| 03:29.46 | jmcnaught | devslash: I don't see a problem, maybe #dovecot will be able to help |
| 03:30.30 | devslash | even after removing everything about line 69 of that file and restarting the service i see that exact same error |
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| 03:31.00 | devslash | which is weird because theres no such line in the modified 10-master.conf |
| 03:31.41 | wald0 | seems like if i open a second graphical session with a different user (light-dm), it cannot use the sound server (pulseaudio), is this normal ? |
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| 03:33.13 | rabbitear_sdf | there is 22 of each, but I didn't count in the comments |
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| 03:34.05 | jmcnaught | a decent editor will highlight matching brackets |
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| 03:34.36 | rabbitear_sdf | maybe you're not suppose to have empty options |
| 03:35.07 | jmcnaught | wald0: Try looking at 'loginctl list-sessions' to get session IDs, then 'loginctl session-status <session_id>' to see if the session's State is active |
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| 03:35.55 | rabbitear_sdf | I'd take out all the comments and try it |
| 03:36.06 | rabbitear_sdf | get rid of all #'s |
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| 03:37.41 | devslash | comments wouldnt make a difference |
| 03:38.04 | devslash | every config file has a way of ignoring lines with a leading # |
| 03:38.56 | rabbitear_sdf | devslash: its way too hard to read, that is your fault |
| 03:39.16 | rabbitear_sdf | just delete them, and see what you get |
| 03:39.19 | devslash | lol |
| 03:39.38 | jmcnaught | comments in conf files are a good idea, especially if the comments are notes for your future self (lacking other documentation) |
| 03:40.00 | rabbitear_sdf | yeah, but at least put the #'s only on the first column of the line |
| 03:40.16 | rabbitear_sdf | its hard to see, the way he's got it on the gist |
| 03:41.24 | rabbitear_sdf | grep -v '#' gist.file |
| 03:41.38 | rabbitear_sdf | v for inversion |
| 03:41.39 | devslash | http://paste.debian.net/1092404 |
| 03:41.42 | devslash | happy ? |
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| 03:42.15 | devslash | you could also do cat somefile.conf | grep -v '#" | pastebinit |
| 03:43.00 | rabbitear_sdf | the {}'s look balanced... it doesn't look like you have any options at all, why even have the file? |
| 03:44.35 | wald0 | jmcnaught: i dont have the computer with me right now, but yeah the session is active, more like i do: "dm-tool switch-to-greeter" (to swith to the login manager), then login as the new user, and sound not works for it |
| 03:44.54 | wald0 | and of course sound works correctly when login as a first user |
| 03:45.23 | rabbitear_sdf | mv somefile.conf somefile.conf.orig && touch somefile.conf |
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| 03:46.21 | roylaprattep | 185.211.245.198, is there a way to block every connections from this ip to my server? |
| 03:46.34 | roylaprattep | hosts.deny does not work |
| 03:46.54 | rabbitear_sdf | iptables and drop from their, the source |
| 03:47.12 | roylaprattep | isnt working either |
| 03:47.17 | rabbitear_sdf | it would |
| 03:47.25 | roylaprattep | still seeing dovecot auth attempt |
| 03:47.55 | rabbitear_sdf | iptables -I 1 INPUT -j DROP -s 185.211.245.198 |
| 03:48.30 | roylaprattep | iptables -A INPUT -s IP-ADDRESS -j DROP |
| 03:48.38 | roylaprattep | i tried with this |
| 03:48.38 | rabbitear_sdf | blacklist never work, by the way |
| 03:48.56 | rabbitear_sdf | -I 1 puts it at the top of the list |
| 03:49.16 | rabbitear_sdf | -I 1 INPUT |
| 03:49.32 | BazookaTooth | have to drop at route for some of them. vps gets a lot of that crap from broadcast |
| 03:50.15 | roylaprattep | Jul 19 22:29:39 debian-prlsvr auth: pam_unix(dovecot:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=dovecot ruser=roylaprattep@linuxme.ca rhost=185.211.245.198 |
| 03:50.18 | roylaprattep | Jul 19 22:29:51 debian-prlsvr auth: pam_unix(dovecot:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=dovecot ruser=roylaprattep rhost=185.211.245.198 user=roylaprattep |
| 03:50.27 | roylaprattep | i see this every couple hours |
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| 03:50.59 | rabbitear_sdf | -j DROP |
| 03:51.01 | BazookaTooth | surprised it's not more frequent. lax timer |
| 03:51.20 | roylaprattep | trying to log with my own username and emaik |
| 03:51.23 | roylaprattep | email |
| 03:51.54 | BazookaTooth | ah. didn't page up enough |
| 03:52.00 | rabbitear_sdf | I am slowly getting a second wind |
| 03:52.27 | BazookaTooth | looked like the same thing |
| 03:53.15 | rabbitear_sdf | -A INPUT puts it at the bottom, so it could pass before it gets there |
| 03:53.26 | roylaprattep | ok |
| 03:53.36 | roylaprattep | gonna try your line |
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| 03:55.48 | roylaprattep | doesnt seem to work |
| 03:55.58 | roylaprattep | i dont see the rules added |
| 03:56.14 | roylaprattep | are you sure you typed it correctly? |
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| 03:59.03 | roylaprattep | rabbitear_sdf: still there? |
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| 04:20.20 | ozzloy | i updated to buster and am now unable to scan with my hp 6700 all-in-one |
| 04:20.50 | ozzloy | how do i troubleshoot? |
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| 04:26.57 | Tom-_ | i don't know, does it have a proprietary driver? can you try reinstalling it? |
| 04:31.19 | saptech | ozzloy, I'm having same issue with my brother mfc printer/scanner. mine is a fresh install of buster and I installed the brother's drivers. the printer works but takes about 3-5 mins to print but scanner is not being seen |
| 04:32.27 | saptech | with stretch, everything worked with no issues. |
| 04:32.41 | BazookaTooth | ozzloy: any time there is a new debian dist upgrade system that i have associated with a printer, i use a win7 vm for like a month |
| 04:34.03 | saptech | Tom-_, I reinstalled the scanner portion but same reults, scanner is not seen |
| 04:34.23 | saptech | results* |
| 04:35.35 | BazookaTooth | vendors are usually going to lag behind on linux when it comes to drivers |
| 04:35.59 | BazookaTooth | all in one printers are notably bad for this |
| 04:37.35 | BazookaTooth | brother is hit or miss, hp usually catches up within a couple weeks |
| 04:37.51 | BazookaTooth | cannon can get wrecked |
| 04:39.50 | saptech | I guess ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 04:45.20 | saptech | other then scanner issue, everything else is great. I installed Mate & standalone PekWM |
| 04:47.04 | BazookaTooth | centos has similar issues with the soho aio printer/scanner thing too.. it's not a debian thing. just to clarify |
| 04:48.05 | saptech | well, I have no issues with fedora 30 & mageia 7 |
| 04:48.38 | saptech | but I may need to try the scanner since upgrading to F30 |
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| 04:48.57 | BazookaTooth | i was surprised that my weird upgrade from deb8 to 9 to 10 didn't break |
| 04:49.17 | saptech | heh |
| 04:49.44 | BazookaTooth | minimal server package base but still.. |
| 04:49.47 | BazookaTooth | :) |
| 04:49.53 | BazookaTooth | awesome |
| 04:52.00 | BazookaTooth | saptech: if it's one of the soho printers, even the high end ones, some times you can print but not scan or vice/versa until the drivers get fleshed out. was really what i was getting at |
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| 04:53.12 | BazookaTooth | just how it goes |
| 04:53.57 | saptech | I understand |
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| 04:55.04 | BazookaTooth | the win7 vm thing helps if it's some mom and pop barber shop business or something |
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| 04:59.51 | Vetis | Hello everyone! just found hexchat pre installed here.. can anyone tell me what it is usually used for? I'm way too new for linux it seems |
| 05:00.51 | Vetis | or can anyone point me in the direction of how to learn more about it? |
| 05:01.56 | BazookaTooth | Vetis: google "irc" first. the links from hexchat will lead you to distro related channels |
| 05:02.05 | Vetis | perfect thanks |
| 05:02.11 | BazookaTooth | o/ |
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| 06:12.33 | z8z | Hello, during the debian upgrade to buster i'm being prompted if MiniSSPd should be enabled at system startup or not. What is that? And what is your recommendation? |
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| 06:45.52 | ^cowboy_ | hi |
| 06:47.09 | ^cowboy_ | any debian guru's here ? |
| 06:47.52 | rudi_s | Any questions here? |
| 06:48.14 | ratrace | guru's what? |
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| 06:49.03 | ^cowboy_ | how can i close vim ffs? |
| 06:49.33 | ratrace | lol. hit escape then type :q and hit enter |
| 06:50.11 | ^cowboy_ | THANK U! |
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| 06:53.37 | rudi_s | Ctrl-C twice works too (the second shows you the correct command). |
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| 07:05.13 | StucKman | I just bought a mini computer with 4 eths that I plan to convert into a router. I connect one other computer to one of its eth ports with a normal patch cable and I don't see any link. my memory (not a very goo one) tells me that eth port, specially in notebooks like in this case, are good about negotiating speed and direct vs cross link, but it doesn't seem to do anything. I tried reading ethtool's man, but I still wonder if there |
| 07:05.13 | StucKman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:08.35 | StucKman | in fact, with the same cable, I can link two notebooks (dell 5220 with a Realtek RTL8153 and a TP T430 with Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205) without a switch |
| 07:08.57 | StucKman | you can find more details here: http://pcengines.info/forums/?page=post&id=1C558362-E35C-4775-AD59-0291A3C1D104&fid=DF5ACB70-99C4-4C61-AFA6-4C0E0DB05B2A |
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| 07:11.02 | StucKman | one of my problems is that I don't know how to shortly describe the problem for searching |
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| 07:11.15 | rant | StucKman: you can't connect two ethernet cards together unless you use a crossover cable or they have auto sensing ports |
| 07:11.41 | StucKman | rant: all three are auto sensing |
| 07:11.55 | rant | it wouldnt seem so |
| 07:12.24 | rant | only one of them need to be auto sensing for it to flip a normal cable to a crossover |
| 07:12.26 | StucKman | rant: check the link, or here https://paste.debian.net/1092384/ |
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| 07:12.36 | rant | and ethernet only supports two endpoints :P its not token ring |
| 07:12.50 | StucKman | rant: ah, so i f I disable autosensing in the 'switch', it should work? |
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| 07:13.30 | rant | I have no idea what that paste is |
| 07:13.45 | rant | so I have no idea if it could be trusted |
| 07:13.55 | StucKman | rant: it's the output of ethtool for the three interfaces side by side for comparisson |
| 07:14.06 | rant | again, no idea what that is |
| 07:14.19 | papabear | hey guys, i'd like to get netsurf on buster but it's not in the repos. how can i get it? |
| 07:14.24 | rant | probably one of those newer utilities I never bothered with |
| 07:14.36 | StucKman | rant: ah, the link? sorry, it's a post in the builder's forum |
| 07:15.12 | StucKman | rant: ah. ok, let em try disabling autosensing in the router |
| 07:15.26 | rant | that shouldnt make a difference |
| 07:15.49 | rant | if one or both are auto sensing they should negotiate |
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| 07:19.42 | StucKman | exactly, hence my issue |
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| 07:23.44 | ville | What sort of server software options do i have to use debian as file server for mostly linux and android devices over wlan and over the internet? the clients would just "stream" the files, rather than necessarily copy them over locally. music and video mostly. |
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| 07:26.33 | StucKman | found it, I need to set up the link |
| 07:26.49 | StucKman | so ip link <dev> up was enough |
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| 07:28.42 | techie28 | After upgrading to BUSTER, connecting MOTO G5 android phone seems to be broken. Now it just connects as a camera & is problematic when files are accessed. Before this any phone use to get connected easily(Android) |
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| 07:29.48 | kiwi_6 | This is an off topic .But i am not getting help from anywhere does any one know about ovirt api |
| 07:29.53 | techie28 | It also doesnt appear under the USB0 when the file manager is running via nautilus |
| 07:30.35 | kiwi_6 | could some one please help me with a simple doubt on ovirt api |
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| 07:31.59 | EoflaOEViceCity | techie28: Do the notifications about "Touch to change USB settings," and one of them is your Android logo appear? Do you have USB debugging enabled? |
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| 07:32.10 | kiwi_6 | ovirt is an engine for open Virtualisation |
| 07:32.24 | techie28 | Yes I have. |
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| 07:33.27 | EoflaOEViceCity | On which mode is your USB at? "Mass storage" or "MTP?" |
| 07:33.47 | techie28 | From "Device Notifier" I expand the phone it shows me 2 options, Both say OPEN WITH FILE MANAGER. sometimes it work other times it dont.. I am having KDE |
| 07:34.38 | techie28 | I m not sure, how to tell that please? |
| 07:35.32 | EoflaOEViceCity | techie28: Open the notification which says "Touch to change USB mode," and tell me what mode is checked. |
| 07:36.24 | techie28 | In the phone? it is the "Transfer Files" |
| 07:36.26 | kirk781 | MTP should be checked |
| 07:38.04 | EoflaOEViceCity | techie28: I think that MTP is the better choice, since that lets you access both internal and SD card on the PC. Does it work? |
| 07:39.13 | techie28 | If that is in the phone I just see the option "Charge","Transfer Files","Transfer Photos","Use as MIDI" |
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| 07:40.04 | techie28 | EoflaOEViceCity, when I connect the USB HDD it does work perfectly & yes it shows MTP too. |
| 07:40.13 | techie28 | but not happening for phones |
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| 07:40.40 | techie28 | before updating to buster it was working fine for even the new phones being attached |
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| 07:41.30 | EoflaOEViceCity | techie28, and before the upgrade, can you see both internal and SD card? |
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| 07:43.11 | techie28 | EoflaOEViceCity, Yes.. even copying data worked hassle free.. now it goes offline saying "Cant claim USB" |
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| 07:44.41 | EoflaOEViceCity | techie28: I will try and find the solution, since I don't have Moto G5 and Debian 10 at the moment. |
| 07:45.30 | techie28 | thanks I tried another android phone & it was same with it. |
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| 07:50.27 | techie28 | It occasionally shows error "The file or folder udi=/org/kde/solid/udev/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb2/2-1/ does not exist." |
| 07:50.35 | techie28 | but other time it works |
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| 07:54.54 | kiwi_6 | A small doubt on Backing Up and Restoring Virtual Machines Using the Backup and Restore API using ovirt.Could some one please help me |
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| 08:19.52 | ratrace | kiwi_6: just ask |
| 08:21.59 | kiwi_6 | i have posted my query in stackoverflow .Can you please read it there https://stackoverflow.com/questions/57112854/to-fill-fields-in-ovirt-api |
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| 08:31.48 | ratrace | kiwi_6: and how's that related to debian? |
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| 08:34.28 | vsayikiran | Hi I running firefox 60.8 in debian buster.....my pc is 32bit intel 945GM express chipset.......firefox browser supports webgl but driver are not up to date ...this is message shown in website.............kinldy let me know where is isssue |
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| 08:36.36 | rant | vsayikiran: https://get.webgl.org/ |
| 08:36.38 | exifbono | Hello all. I'm wondering: would it be possible for a one board computer (like a cubieboard) running debian to transmit wifi over a usb wifi module? Like receiving from the LAN and transmitting through the USB wifi antenna |
| 08:37.55 | ratrace | exifbono: if it runs debian, yes you can route between NICs |
| 08:38.00 | rant | exifbono: thats not quite how wifi works.. the adapter that would be the AP which things connect to would require master mode capabilities |
| 08:39.05 | ratrace | and yes the wifi module would need to suppport AP mode if that's what you mean by "transmitting through", no idea if that board can do that |
| 08:39.25 | exifbono | rant, thanks, I'll check if my usb wifi has AP possibilities |
| 08:39.42 | exifbono | that's already a couple of useful keywords to saerch for =) |
| 08:40.40 | vsayikiran | https://pastebin.com/ntmjazb7 |
| 08:41.05 | rant | many wifi adapters dont support master or monitor mode.. which is annoying |
| 08:41.11 | enri | morning morning:) |
| 08:41.11 | vsayikiran | rant : I pasted the snapshot from that site webgl |
| 08:41.43 | vsayikiran | rant : it says browser suppports but driver are not updated......which drivers are they and where can i find them....? |
| 08:41.59 | rant | vsayikiran: do you have another browser, like chromium? |
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| 08:42.39 | vsayikiran | no....i unistalled recently since it is extremely slow on my pc.i have only 1gb ram....32 bit core duo processor T2300 |
| 08:42.55 | rant | the cube shows up and there are no errors for me on either chromium or firefox in buster |
| 08:43.17 | vsayikiran | rant : please let me know h/w specs on your pc |
| 08:43.24 | rant | vsayikiran: ok, well if you only have 1gb ram you should not be even using ff much less webgl on it |
| 08:43.34 | exifbono | rant, seems like my tp-link tl-wn722N supports AP and monitor mode =) Any keyword for useful packages in this small quest? |
| 08:43.37 | vsayikiran | rant : mine is 2006 dell latitude d520...... |
| 08:44.06 | rant | vsayikiran: Lenovo T440 4th Gen Core i5 w/ 8gb ram, SSD, etc.. |
| 08:44.51 | vsayikiran | rant : i am planning to upgrade RAM to 4GB and process to T7600 core 2 duo which is 64-bit.......i hope ff should be able to run smoothly on it |
| 08:45.07 | vsayikiran | rant : you have much latest model |
| 08:45.14 | rant | exifbono: not that I know of, I am not real savvy with firewalling, the only way I know to share connection currently is via the network-manager applet |
| 08:45.26 | ratrace | webgl is a security nightmare... giving direct opengl access to any javascript snippet any random site includes willingly or unwillingly... direct opengl access with backend running at the kernel level privilege, yeah thanks no thanks. |
| 08:45.50 | exifbono | rant, I have no GUI, is just command line server... thanks though |
| 08:45.59 | rant | vsayikiran: its over 5 years old, but yes, its much newer than yours which is more like 12 years old or more.. |
| 08:47.07 | vsayikiran | yes 13 years.... |
| 08:47.09 | rant | vsayikiran: thing is, Firefox requires about 512MB just to load the new tab page, the rest of your system would be using at least half that.. leaving you very little room to work with in ram.. you arent going to realistically use WebGL on that system |
| 08:47.36 | rant | vsayikiran: the system requirement for modern browsers has in the last 3-5 years far exceeded that of modern operating systems |
| 08:47.57 | vsayikiran | rant : yeah i saw that when i opened 2 tabs in ff, one for google search and other for youtube...(just home page not playing any videos) |
| 08:47.58 | rant | vsayikiran: I don't really recommend trying to use a modern browser on anything with less than 4gb ram these days |
| 08:48.35 | vsayikiran | rant : i ran top....unused mem in RAM is only about 150MiB |
| 08:48.39 | rant | vsayikiran: for things like youtube, pandora, etc on such constrained systems you are better doing like android does, and use individual apps specific to each service |
| 08:48.54 | rant | vsayikiran: rather than bogging the system down using a browser for such things |
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| 08:49.48 | vsayikiran | rant : yes i realized that.....therefore ordered 4GB RAM i will install and check how it performs |
| 08:50.28 | rant | vsayikiran: for example, pianobar is a very friendly and flexible text based pandora radio for example.. it can communicate over a socket with a remote program for controlling it or displaying status.. its ultra lightweight compared to the website |
| 08:51.05 | rant | vsayikiran: I use mps-youtube (installed/updated via pip3) for youtube.. its a curses based frontend to youtube which is also highly flexible and light weight |
| 08:51.32 | rant | allows for searching, watching, downloading, viewing info, all the stuff you could do on the website with a fraction of the system resources |
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| 08:51.52 | vsayikiran | rant : even Youtube? |
| 08:51.57 | rant | vsayikiran: however if you can upgrade to 4GB, that is highly recommended |
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| 08:52.56 | vsayikiran | rant : current process is T2300 32 bit and my OS is also 32 bit....if i upgrade my cpu to 64 bit T7600....do i need to reinstall OS on my disk. What about BIOS? |
| 08:53.37 | vsayikiran | rant : with 4GB RAM and 64 bit T7600 CPU things should work well I am guessing |
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| 08:54.47 | jal` | hi, when memory usage gets high my system becomes unresponsive |
| 08:54.49 | rant | vsayikiran: my father has one of those Ultra Small Form Factor dell opti that is a desktop built more like a laptop with a Core2Duo and 4GB ram and he gets along fine |
| 08:55.42 | ratrace | jal`: swapping a lot? |
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| 08:55.52 | jal` | i don't have swap, it's not good for SSD right |
| 08:56.27 | ratrace | nah, that's a myth |
| 08:56.35 | jal` | ic |
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| 08:57.36 | ratrace | modern ssds, at least bought in the past 5 years, can sustain tens of TB of writes in their lifetime. you'd need to have regular intensive, continuous swap storms for months for that to become a problem |
| 08:57.54 | ratrace | hundreds even |
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| 08:59.03 | ratrace | so anyway, without swap and with high memory pressure i can presume things will be oom-ed and system quite unstable |
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| 09:03.53 | rant | if you're swapping your ssd burning out isn't really the problem |
| 09:04.12 | rant | apparently the 8GB ram in this system is sufficient for my needs, cause I dont ever swap |
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| 09:08.21 | jal` | i have 4GB ram, the web tends to eat a lot of it |
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| 09:09.24 | jal` | currently at 943M though |
| 09:10.28 | rant | yes my father has 4gb ram and he often rides the line of oom even with swap.. but he uses firefox and uses it like an idiot |
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| 09:11.25 | rant | putting a monitor applet on his panel only makes him keep it right up to the max capabilities.. heh |
| 09:11.42 | rant | unfortunately his machine won't take any more ram |
| 09:12.05 | antto | all you need to do to fill the ram up is open imgur and scroll a bit |
| 09:12.21 | antto | firefox sh*ts the pants |
| 09:12.40 | EoflaOEViceCity | Does 8GB of RAM run out fast? |
| 09:12.55 | antto | yes, i recently upgraded to 8GB |
| 09:12.57 | rant | yeah those auto loading pages are annoying.. I tried to find a way to scrape those and best I could come up with was using a full headless browser in selenium |
| 09:13.09 | antto | you just scroll a bit more in imgur before firefox sh*ts the pants |
| 09:13.47 | jal` | i use umatrix to limit the web bloat |
| 09:13.47 | antto | the www has gone a wrong path |
| 09:14.14 | rant | I've never oomed on this machine with 8GB ram. and I had tried.. I use a windows FF for my cable company's streaming which still uses flash.. buster's ff for netflix, and chromium for everything else.. and I've had all 3 going streaming, gmaps, the whole nine.. |
| 09:15.03 | antto | doesn't like google |
| 09:15.21 | EoflaOEViceCity | I have never been oomed when using Firefox Quantum on a non-SSE2 system with 2GB |
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| 09:15.36 | antto | quantum? |
| 09:16.14 | antto | i'm on 2GB ram at the job |
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| 09:16.16 | EoflaOEViceCity | Yes. Firefox latest version on a non-SSE2 system |
| 09:16.47 | antto | hm, well i use firefox 60.8.0esr it seems |
| 09:16.59 | antto | but i most likely have SSE2 |
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| 09:18.03 | rant | dpkg, no quantum is <reply> Firefox Quantum is the new firefox web browser designed around a new core engine. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/11/14/introducing-firefox-quantum/ |
| 09:18.04 | dpkg | okay, rant |
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| 09:18.26 | EoflaOEViceCity | OK. Actually, a few days ago I ran Firefox Quantum which shipped with Lubuntu 18.04.2 on Athlon XP. |
| 09:19.06 | kirk781 | Firefox Quantum good |
| 09:19.43 | rant | antto: yes, that is quantum |
| 09:20.14 | BCMM | it's worth clarifying that Quantum is the current release version of Firefox. it's not some other mozilla browser |
| 09:20.15 | rant | which is why its a rather pointless distinction anymore.. it was important at first because plugin support changed and there was need to migrate plugins to the new codebase |
| 09:20.23 | antto | well, i wish i could kill specific firefox tabs (cuz that releases memory) without killing the whole firefox |
| 09:20.38 | antto | or maybe it won't work that way |
| 09:20.49 | rant | chromium has a built-in task manager and runs everything seperately |
| 09:21.05 | antto | even if i close imgur, and go to about:memory - i can't make it release the memory |
| 09:21.12 | rant | last I checked only isolation FF does is running all plugins in a plugin container.. but they are not really seperate from one another |
| 09:21.42 | BCMM | when did you last check? |
| 09:21.47 | antto | so now i avoid going to imgur and similar websites |
| 09:22.14 | antto | and i ultimately kill firefox when it reaches the ceiling |
| 09:22.25 | jal` | it's fascinating how imgur can eat up gigabytes of ram |
| 09:22.33 | jal` | supposedly, i haven't used it |
| 09:22.53 | antto | i'd guess its stupid javascripts or who knows what |
| 09:23.44 | BCMM | rant: normal web content is done in child processes, since the Electrolysis project in 2017/2018 |
| 09:23.45 | antto | but i have no clue about web developement so *shrug* |
| 09:23.55 | rant | many sites now, and imgur is one of them, use something called infinite scroll.. rather than have a navigation system and content broken into pages with links to those pages, it automatically loads more content as you scroll |
| 09:24.10 | antto | yeah |
| 09:24.28 | antto | rant but my problem is - i close that tab, and the memory doesn't get freed |
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| 09:24.36 | BCMM | but they don't have a total "one process per site" thing, like chrome. that's being worked on as "project fission", i think |
| 09:24.39 | antto | so obviously something somewhere shat the pants |
| 09:25.33 | antto | "minimize memory usage" "collect garbage" and the other things in about:memory don't fix it either |
| 09:25.39 | antto | you gotta kill firefox |
| 09:25.43 | rant | yeah well you're never going to get a constructive response out of me on that.. I hate the web as a whole anymore, but I've long since written off FF and I dont care what they did to improve.. no more than I care what microsoft did to improve their products.. when something is so damn shitty to begin with drastic improvements don't really measure up to much |
| 09:26.14 | antto | right, i also hate where the www has gone |
| 09:26.20 | antto | and it gets worse |
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| 09:27.03 | antto | jumped to firefox 3 when a dumb virus hijacked my IE's blank page on win98SE |
| 09:27.09 | antto | been using firefox since then |
| 09:27.24 | kirk781 | Hello fellow Firefox users |
| 09:27.37 | EoflaOEViceCity | Who's using more memory, Firefox or Chrome? |
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| 09:27.49 | kirk781 | Chrome |
| 09:27.59 | kirk781 | Though FF is catching up fast |
| 09:28.12 | rant | I dont use chrome, I use chromium, but chromium overall is much better on resource management |
| 09:28.15 | antto | i'd say the www uses more memory |
| 09:28.33 | antto | webdevs should feel guilty |
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| 09:28.57 | fireba11 | hm .. something is borked: when i do apt remove with wildcards i get "unable to locate package". any ideas who to fix that? |
| 09:29.08 | rant | I only use two diff FF for two different streaming applications.. I use the debian FF for netflix, and a windows FF in wine for Xfinity Stream.. which is flash based.. both I have custom userchrome.css files to make all the window decor vanish |
| 09:29.12 | EoflaOEViceCity | I use FF on test systems and Chrome on production. My production system is 8GB RAM. |
| 09:29.18 | antto | you load a page, it requires almost the latest gaming PC to view it, and you get almost no actual content on it |
| 09:29.26 | BCMM | when you think that we used to basically do OK when 1.4MB was the size of the largest document you could practically send to another person... |
| 09:29.29 | kirk781 | Isn't Chromium just Chrome in an ungoogled form? |
| 09:29.31 | nkuttler | just busy more ram |
| 09:29.32 | antto | some uber fancy animations and two sentences of text which are hard to read |
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| 09:29.46 | humpled | :\/ |
| 09:29.51 | kirk781 | www.downloadmoreram.com |
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| 09:29.55 | nkuttler | btw, if your browser uses lots of ram, it's 99% because of caching and a good thing. you can configure browser caches |
| 09:30.03 | BCMM | antto: frameworks within framework within frameworks |
| 09:30.36 | kirk781 | Couple of humans went to the moon with far less memory than that |
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| 09:30.42 | Guest79 | can you recommend linux for (1) privacy/security, (2) desktop + user-friendly (preferably debian based), (3) lightweight? |
| 09:30.51 | jal` | btw, search for this on google images: white man white woman. see if you notice something strange about the results |
| 09:30.52 | nkuttler | Guest79: yes |
| 09:30.53 | kirk781 | Err, Debian? |
| 09:30.57 | BCMM | the worst bit is that, for a page like that, the uber-fancy animation could probably be done pretty cheaply as a pure css thing, but the author will have used a few thousands lines of JS instead |
| 09:31.23 | antto | Guest79 debian+lxde |
| 09:31.23 | kirk781 | There's one called Peppermint OS |
| 09:31.35 | antto | try it on a live image |
| 09:31.36 | kirk781 | But honestly, nothing that can not be done with a base install of Debian |
| 09:31.42 | BCMM | Guest79: yes |
| 09:31.56 | rant | I have nothing but this teminal and VLC open at the moment, about 0-5% CPU across 4 threads and 1.2GB ram.. opening gmaps,imgur,ebay,amazon in chromium I'm up to like 5-25% CPU 2.3GB so lets call it a 20% increase in CPU and 1.1GB ram use.. |
| 09:32.07 | antto | BCMM or render it to a stupid gif |
| 09:32.14 | Guest79 | don't want custom debian just security-focused out of the box |
| 09:32.14 | BCMM | Guest79: note that "lightweight" is more of a desktop environment thing than a distro thing |
| 09:32.30 | antto | i hate those uber complex animated banners that could've been rendered to gif instead |
| 09:32.37 | Guest79 | but not amnesiac like tor |
| 09:32.41 | BCMM | Guest79: e.g. in debian, you can choose the LXQT desktop task during install to get a light desktop |
| 09:32.42 | Guest79 | i mean tails |
| 09:32.49 | Guest79 | ok |
| 09:33.05 | kirk781 | Tails is hardly user friendly |
| 09:33.16 | BCMM | antto: gif may be old-fashion, but that doesn't make it efficient |
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| 09:33.48 | BCMM | antto: some people still have bandwidth limitations as well as client memory/cpu limitations |
| 09:33.54 | rant | FF same thing, I got 30-60% CPU spikes and 2.1GB ram in use.. so its more like 25-50% CPU use increase and 1GB ram in use |
| 09:34.03 | antto | it can't be worse than those banners which consume a whole CPU core to rotate uber complex vector objects |
| 09:34.17 | humpled | what |
| 09:34.27 | rant | so I guess FF quantum has decreased its memory footprint anyhow.. |
| 09:35.11 | antto | yeah, perhaps now you could kill some of firefox's processes and if you're lucky, the whole firefox doesn't go away but only certain tabs "crash" |
| 09:35.13 | BCMM | antto: thing is, those could generally be done much more efficiently. most of the features of the modern web can be implemented efficiently... it's just lazy developers and reams of copy-pasted javascript ruining everything |
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| 09:35.42 | humpled | rant looks liek this guy wants your nick |
| 09:35.51 | BCMM | a completely typical failure is using a javascript loop to animate something when the exact same effect could be done natively as a css transition |
| 09:35.55 | antto | who, me? |
| 09:36.04 | rant | BCMM: yes well another issue is the speed of drastic changes that have taken place.. most JS books I read were preaching jquery which is now deprecated |
| 09:36.48 | BCMM | rant: jquery is "deprecated"? by whom? |
| 09:37.14 | nkuttler | jquery is legacy code for legacy browsers |
| 09:37.18 | rant | by the web.. its no longer required.. it was like flash.. something that was designed to bridge gaps that no longer exist |
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| 09:37.41 | Amun_Ra | well it's more an example of a really bad code you don't really need nowadays |
| 09:37.49 | BCMM | rant: it was never required... |
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| 09:38.14 | BCMM | jquery isn't part of js or inherently part of web tech. it's simply a javascript framework. |
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| 09:38.30 | BCMM | it's "required" because millions of people who think they know javascript actually know jquery |
| 09:38.43 | rant | yes.. which in practical terms makes it the same thing |
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| 09:39.03 | BCMM | i'm saying those gaps didn't particularly exist |
| 09:39.10 | rant | cause a huge number of developers and sites have used it |
| 09:39.27 | BCMM | it's just one massive monolithic dependency that people pull in, in most cases, for some trivial convenience functions |
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| 09:40.19 | rant | yeah well I would suggest migrating such discussion to #debian-offtopic.. but that sort of thing happens all over in software development.. people code useless crap to make them more comfortable |
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| 10:09.40 | philosophy | Hello everyone, I invite you to a wonderful fortune that has been running uninterrupted for 20 years.. Quakenet ORG < < < irc. QUAKENET ORG #Freenode <<<<< authorization will be made.. QUAKENET ORG |
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| 10:10.58 | antto | philosophy eh? |
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| 10:13.05 | antto | interestingly, at the job i installed some xfce or xfwm themes that had window frame themes (including the titlebar) which look like windows98, and now i just cannot find which package that is at home in synaptic |
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| 10:13.21 | antto | as if the package just doesn't come up in the list o_O |
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| 10:16.10 | Unit193 | Well, I don't know about 98, but there used to be one that'd look like XP. https://users.ninthfloor.org/~unit193/xplike.png ? |
| 10:17.00 | antto | yeah, not that one, but i suspect this and the win98-ish one are from the same package |
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| 10:17.23 | Unit193 | I'd bet it's no longer maintained. |
| 10:17.24 | antto | iirc i searched synaptic for "xfwm themes" or "xfce themes" and the package had "extra" in its name |
| 10:17.42 | antto | but how come i installed it a few days ago at the job then |
| 10:17.54 | antto | in both places i got debian10 |
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| 10:21.33 | humpled | xfce4-goodies? |
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| 10:22.09 | philosophy | Hello everyone, I invite you to a wonderful fortune that has been running uninterrupted for 20 years.. Quakenet ORG < < < irc. QUAKENET ORG #Freenode <<<<< authorization will be made.. QUAKENET ORG |
| 10:22.41 | antto | humpled i got that installed already |
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| 10:25.40 | antto | ah, it must be the "Redmond" theme |
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| 10:26.08 | Battaglin | http://paste.debian.net/1092428/' |
| 10:26.12 | Unit193 | Likely, considering that one was RedmondXP |
| 10:26.18 | Battaglin | sry |
| 10:26.20 | Battaglin | http://paste.debian.net/1092428/ |
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| 10:27.48 | humpled | !v gnustep-base-runtime |
| 10:27.54 | humpled | how do these bots work? |
| 10:28.12 | humpled | people will probably need more information to help with that Battaglin |
| 10:28.33 | humpled | like your debian version, sources and what command you issued |
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| 10:29.20 | Battaglin | upgrade not going too well |
| 10:29.35 | Battaglin | trying to upgrade from 9 to 10 |
| 10:29.59 | Battaglin | all apt sources ok.. and apt update went well.. |
| 10:30.08 | Battaglin | but.. upgrade shows this |
| 10:30.27 | Battaglin | it does list all packages that can be upgraded.. 675.. but those 2 fails |
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| 10:30.54 | Battaglin | ...what I dont get is that it wants older version ? |
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| 10:32.10 | humpled | yuup, looks like those are stretch versions |
| 10:32.45 | humpled | judd versions gnustep-base-common |
| 10:32.47 | judd | Package: gnustep-base-common on amd64 -- jessie: 1.24.7-1; stretch: 1.24.9-3.1; bullseye: 1.26.0-4; buster: 1.26.0-4; sid: 1.26.0-4 |
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| 10:33.48 | humpled | judd versions gnustep-base-runtime |
| 10:33.49 | judd | Package: gnustep-base-runtime on amd64 -- jessie: 1.24.7-1; stretch: 1.24.9-3.1; bullseye: 1.26.0-4; buster: 1.26.0-4; sid: 1.26.0-4 |
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| 10:36.13 | Battaglin | installed the .deb no errors upgrade still the same error |
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| 10:36.19 | Battaglin | oh well lets try reboot |
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| 10:55.12 | Battaglin | ohh uhh..running now |
| 10:55.13 | Battaglin | yay |
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| 11:20.38 | velix | Is there a tool or a website to browse the packages of a repository? |
| 11:21.03 | velix | I mean, the nice pay. Sure, I can list the pool... |
| 11:21.33 | Unit193 | I'd say packages.debian.net, but that's down right now. |
| 11:22.07 | velix | Unit193: I mean of OTHER repositories, like virtualbox. |
| 11:22.12 | velix | I think, you call those "private repos" ? |
| 11:22.29 | antto | god damn it i can't get the Redmond theme in xfwm o_O |
| 11:22.40 | Unit193 | antto: It was in xfwm4-themes, btw. |
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| 11:23.53 | antto | "was" ?! |
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| 11:24.34 | yokowka | heavenO everysoul how up to date stretch to buster? |
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| 11:24.53 | Battaglin | dont :-) |
| 11:25.14 | humpled | typing prediction is a bit off there :þ |
| 11:25.28 | Unit193 | velix: I'm not really sure of a tool to do such a thing, best I could mention would be have an apt config file you can use to show/search it. Sorry. |
| 11:25.36 | velix | ok, no problem :D |
| 11:25.55 | Unit193 | That doesn't mean such a thing doesn't exist. |
| 11:27.09 | velix | My god... nearly all tools in Buster are quiet up to date. |
| 11:27.22 | velix | That makes me feel insecure :D |
| 11:27.56 | rudi_s | :D |
| 11:28.04 | velix | I like apt ... "apt search virtualbox" shows me "libvirt0" :-) |
| 11:28.09 | rudi_s | Don't worry, they will get old quite soon ;-) |
| 11:28.13 | velix | rudi_s: true, true. |
| 11:28.35 | velix | "apt search virtualbox" also shows me "zfs-dkms" ... who coded this? :( |
| 11:28.39 | Battaglin | apt: error while loading shared libraries: |
| 11:28.42 | Battaglin | :-( |
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| 11:51.38 | GenTooMan | I'm having issues with pip in buster but not pip3 pip returns an error see (http://paste.debian.net/1092438/) that I'm not sure what the deal is. |
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| 11:53.44 | GenTooMan | Battaglin you are right I couldn't update stretch to Buster is actually wouldn't boot after updating. The Kernel and image information was completely messed up. |
| 11:54.27 | Battaglin | GenTooMan: same here.. I cant run apt now |
| 11:54.38 | Battaglin | ...and suddenly read only file system lol |
| 11:54.55 | Battaglin | gonne do install from scratch.. just not now |
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| 11:57.13 | GenTooMan | Battaglin I had to reinstall from scratch it isn't bad but before you do write down how you file system is set up. you may need to wipe / and /usr/bin I had too. The good thing is eclipse just installs (you have to download the install) and that's it. It worked out of the box without issue. |
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| 11:59.13 | Battaglin | meh |
| 11:59.40 | Battaglin | was hoping it went well.. i have a lot of apache conf files I need to look through before.. |
| 11:59.46 | Battaglin | proxy etc. :-( |
| 11:59.51 | Battaglin | but.. oh well |
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| 12:02.03 | rudi_s | Battaglin: I'm not sure what exactly went wrong, but most of the time you can fix those issues. |
| 12:02.31 | rudi_s | *without having to reinstall the system. |
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| 12:04.55 | velix | When install "build-essentials" on Buster, TONS of packages get installed. When purging "build-essentials", only a few packages get removed (auto-remove doesn't work). Is there a more advanced tool, which can keep track of apt? |
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| 12:09.31 | berties | hey guys, im wondering why debian uses firefox-esr over the release channel firefox considering esr does not benefit from all security fixes (only moderate to crictical)? |
| 12:09.50 | debuser_ | Hi. I have a bit of an issue after upgrading to Buster, namely I can't seem to launch Weston/Wayland (from a VT console). This used to work fine in Stretch, so it seems to be a regression. If it matters, I'm on a fairly old Intel graphics, but HW accel works fine under X. Thoughts? It's not a huge issue, just a bit weird. It seems to go wrong with "failed to create gbm surface", "Failed to init output gl state" |
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| 12:11.39 | berties | this is the recent esr changelog https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2019-22/ versus release channel changelog https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2019-21/ - notice many low issues not fixed in esr? |
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| 12:12.32 | humpled | this is generally debian stable policy, to only introduce security fixes |
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| 12:13.29 | humpled | other fixes may happen in a point release and may be available before that in -updates, when that starts functioning |
| 12:16.23 | berties | humpled, are you saying the lower rated vulnerabilities are simply not applicable to esr? |
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| 12:19.56 | BCMM | humpled: 1. isn't debian simply tracking upstream's ESR release, when it comes to firefox? not sure if debian's policy is particularly relevant. 2. berties didn't actually link the changelog; that's specifically security patches |
| 12:22.03 | BCMM | i think it's most likely that mozilla simply doesn't consider those to be security fixes that it's vital all users should get asap |
| 12:22.09 | BCMM | more like security improvements |
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| 12:23.16 | BCMM | e.g. CVE-2019-11728 sounds like a problem with the spec |
| 12:23.40 | berties | thats a shame because some are dos and spoofing possibilities, i understand mozilla explains esr only gets the high-critical fixes but i was wondering for the reason debian uses esr (maybe a bug report i look for) |
| 12:24.28 | metbsd | how do i upgrade to buster? |
| 12:24.38 | metbsd | i'm on previous |
| 12:24.43 | dvs | !release notes |
| 12:24.43 | dpkg | The release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ . See also <stretch->buster>, <buster install guide> |
| 12:25.19 | metbsd | !stretch->buster |
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| 12:26.06 | BCMM | berties: debian stable uses ESR. some other releases have normal firefox. |
| 12:27.08 | BCMM | berties: and stable uses it because it's stable, basically. firefox esr has similar goals to debian stable: backporting security fixes, but not introducing new features (and thus minimal breaking changes and new security vulns) |
| 12:28.59 | Battaglin | rudi_s: no idea... I followed this.. shouldnt really be an issue.. but it seems it is https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-upgrade-debian-9-stretch-to-debian-10-buster/ |
| 12:29.31 | berties | BCMM i understand (i only consider debian to have 'stable' ;D), its a shame though because some security fixes are in v64,65,66, but i see the latest firefox esr is now from a v68 base so it will be good when debian uses esr 68 |
| 12:30.44 | berties | it looks like we have to wait until october for new esr |
| 12:31.18 | rudi_s | velix: Do you install recommended packages? |
| 12:31.33 | velix | rudi_s: --no-recommended-packages |
| 12:32.00 | velix | rudi_s: but interesting point, is there apt purge --recommended-packages? ;) |
| 12:32.13 | velix | or only 3rd party tools, like lib orphan? |
| 12:32.13 | rudi_s | velix: You could try the following APT settings: APT::AutoRemove::RecommendsImportant "false"; and APT::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant "false"; |
| 12:32.24 | rudi_s | But it's not perfect. |
| 12:32.39 | velix | rudi_s: I think, I'll build my down tools based on dpkg --list & Co. |
| 12:32.44 | velix | my own* |
| 12:33.08 | rudi_s | Battaglin: What is the exact issue? How far did you get in the upgrade procedure? Do you have the output during installation? |
| 12:33.18 | velix | Alpine allows to create virtual installation groups. I really wonder, why apt cannot do this. |
| 12:33.20 | rudi_s | velix: Well, try those options first, they remove most. |
| 12:33.27 | rudi_s | *most packages |
| 12:33.56 | velix | rudi_s: Yeah, but let me figure out the command line switches for these. I don't like to make it default. |
| 12:34.18 | rudi_s | Battaglin: Those instructions look sane. |
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| 12:34.55 | BCMM | Battaglin: debian *does* publishes its own upgrade manual, you know. i strongly recommend using it in preference to some random blogspam. |
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| 12:37.13 | Battaglin | I highly doubt that would fix it setting my nvme disk in ro only mode |
| 12:37.22 | Battaglin | ...as it has done now |
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| 12:40.59 | humpled | i noticed when you google for debian upgrade that lots of sites like linuxize come at the top of the search |
| 12:41.22 | humpled | need to go to the actual debian site to find the release notes |
| 12:41.32 | silverballz | https://piuparts.debian.org/ NEEDS YOUR ATTENTION: piuparts is meant as a quality assurance tool for people who create Debian packages to test them before they upload them to the Debian package archive. |
| 12:41.50 | BCMM | humpled: it's a real problem... putting efforts in to SEO gets you more visitors than putting effort in to content |
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| 12:47.52 | berties | i notice you have to be careful using -no-install-recommends, doing an xfce4 install leaves out things needed (desktop-base, xorg etc) |
| 12:49.24 | rant | berties: task-xfce-desktop |
| 12:49.32 | rant | ,depends task-xfce-desktop |
| 12:49.33 | judd | Package task-xfce-desktop in buster/amd64 -- depends: tasksel (= 3.53), task-desktop, xfce4, lightdm, light-locker. |
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| 12:49.49 | rant | ,depends task-desktop |
| 12:49.50 | judd | Package task-desktop in buster/amd64 -- depends: tasksel (= 3.53), xorg, xserver-xorg-video-all, xserver-xorg-input-all, desktop-base. |
| 12:49.56 | berties | rant, that installs too much for me, normally xfce4 is sufficent without --no-install-recommends |
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| 12:57.21 | fireba11 | hm, apparently phpmyadmin is no longer in debian. am curious as to why, where can i find infos like that? |
| 12:57.33 | rudi_s | fireba11: In the release notes. |
| 12:57.35 | rudi_s | !release notes |
| 12:57.35 | dpkg | The release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ . See also <stretch->buster>, <buster install guide> |
| 12:58.39 | fireba11 | rudi_s: merci |
| 13:00.07 | fireba11 | ah well .. they noted it but gave no reason :-P anyway i installed it manually now |
| 13:00.28 | nkuttler | fireba11: https://packages.qa.debian.org/p/phpmyadmin.html |
| 13:01.33 | fireba11 | nkuttler: ah, seems like a case of orphaned package, or at least basically inactive maintainer |
| 13:02.21 | humpled | phpmyadmin was already the biggest target in my apache logs yeaars ago |
| 13:02.42 | xbow | well don't run it on /phpmyadmin |
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| 13:03.40 | humpled | i never ran it, just there seemed to be a lot of attacks out there looking for it |
| 13:04.03 | xbow | humpled: yeah the scan standard urls |
| 13:04.07 | xbow | they |
| 13:04.33 | fireba11 | it's always fun to check a log of a server that hasn't even a DNS pointing to it and see the urls they try |
| 13:04.45 | xbow | indeed fireba11 |
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| 13:08.18 | BCMM | to be fair, you might legitimately want xfce without xorg, e.g. for a terminal server type of setup |
| 13:08.44 | BCMM | (although you probably wouldn't use a desktop task for that) |
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| 13:10.39 | BCMM | hang on, desktop-based is a direct dep-of-a-dep of task-xfce-desktop. not a recommend. |
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| 13:13.53 | rant | yes, that was my point.. if you want to be sure to get what you need, you use the task-foo-desktop packages |
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| 13:31.24 | mspe | I'm testing LXC 3 with Debian 10. My containers have lxc.start.auto=1 in their config file, they start if I launch the command lxc-autostart manually, but they don't start automatically at boot time. Do you have any idea of what I could be missing? |
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| 13:32.24 | ratrace | mspe: a service needs to be enabled perhaps |
| 13:36.03 | mspe | hmm, lxc.service and lxc-net.service are "active (exited)" |
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| 13:36.53 | mspe | but they both have an exit code 0 SUCCESS |
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| 13:40.22 | ratrace | mspe: there's also the template service, probably for activating individual containers on boot |
| 13:40.35 | ratrace | lxc@.service |
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| 13:48.13 | fSharp | hello, I am trying to retrieve gpg keys with 'gpg --keyserver..'command but either it takes ages, or nothing happens (cursor remaining still) |
| 13:48.22 | tds | mspe: are these containers created as root or as yourself? |
| 13:48.42 | tds | mspe: lxc.service should run lxc-autostart, but not for your per-user containers, I think? |
| 13:48.57 | mspe | they're privileged containers |
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| 13:49.27 | mspe | if I run lxc-autostart manually, the containers run fine |
| 13:49.47 | mspe | it's just like if the lxc service doesn't launch lxc-autostart at boot, for some reason |
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| 13:52.43 | mspe | worse, if I restart the service manually, the containers are started, but not at boot! |
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| 13:54.40 | velix | rudi_s: -o APT::Autoremove::RecommendsImportant=0 -o APT::Autoremove::SuggestsImportant=0 |
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| 14:04.52 | rudi_s | velix: Ah, good point. |
| 14:05.19 | velix | rudi_s: apt autoremove XY --purge --dry-ron |
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| 14:05.21 | velix | this rocks! |
| 14:05.29 | rudi_s | ;-) |
| 14:05.31 | velix | rudi_s: + your settings of course |
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| 14:10.27 | velix | rudi_s: I'm really beginning to stop to like debian... "apt autoremove -o APT::Autoremove::RecommendsImportant=0 -o APT::Autoremove::SuggestsImportant=0 binutils" wants to remove git, dialog and even unzip :-) |
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| 14:13.56 | velix | That's why professionals use to compile their own packages. It's way to risky to use a package management. |
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| 14:17.04 | BCMM | velix: i really don't get it... that's specifically a command you'd use if you're *not* happy with the decision the package manager makes automatically, and you *want* to think stuff through yourself |
| 14:17.12 | BCMM | if you want stuff to just work, don't run that command... |
| 14:17.41 | BCMM | and no, "professionals" do not maintain everything manually. if you do that, you either spend all of your time on it, or you do a half-arsed job of it |
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| 14:18.17 | jmcnaught | I don't see the issue with installing recommended packages considering what the word recommended means. |
| 14:19.06 | velix | jmcnaught: the problem is that -o APT::Autoremove::RecommendsImportant=0 on binutils pulls down packages *needed* by other packages. |
| 14:19.21 | velix | but as BCMM, I don't use this command then. |
| 14:19.26 | velix | That's why I used --dry-run |
| 14:19.33 | BCMM | velix: suggested can usually go, but if you're just trying to trim down the system a bit, at least leave the recommended stuff alone. |
| 14:20.16 | BCMM | remember, the default configuration is that suggested packages won't be installed automatically |
| 14:20.34 | velix | BCMM: My main problem is that "apt install build-essentials --no-install-recommends" installes more than "apt purge build-essentials" removes :-) |
| 14:20.59 | BCMM | velix: so remove stuff that's only suggested, then |
| 14:21.23 | BCMM | stuff that's "recommended" by a package almost certainly didn't get installed for teh first time when you installed build-essentials |
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| 14:21.30 | velix | BCMM: Okay. I'm also using "dpkg --get-selections | grep install | cut -f1" now before and after to find what was left. |
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| 14:21.38 | velix | BCMM: Thanks for explaination. |
| 14:21.44 | velix | (for real) |
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| 14:22.10 | BCMM | velix: with the default configuration of apt, if you install a package with apt install or similar, you will get the recommended packages, but not the suggested ones |
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| 14:25.32 | rudi_s | velix: Mark the package as manually installed and it won't try to remove them. |
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| 14:27.36 | velix | rudi_s: but will it get updated then? |
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| 14:29.17 | BCMM | yes |
| 14:29.36 | BCMM | velix: marking as manually installed gives it the same status as something you installed with `apt install package` |
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| 14:30.05 | BCMM | it's basically retroactively declaring "this isn't just installed as a dependency; this is a package i want in its own right" |
| 14:32.04 | velix | okay, I'll play with it in a container. Thanks |
| 14:32.24 | nkuttler | where would i find the logs of a gnome session launched from gdm3? after the buster upgrade it just dies immediately |
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| 14:32.36 | nkuttler | already rm -rf'd ~/.config .. |
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| 14:35.12 | HicksD | Upgraded from stretch to buster and ran into a couple of issues. shim-signed-common fails to configure. complains about out of disk space but boot/efi/root have what i'd expect to be ample space available. Also at the end of aptitude log it complains about missing ldconfig and start-stop-daemon https://paste.debian.net/hidden/2fe2d6ff/ anyone ran into these issues? |
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| 14:41.42 | nkuttler | ugh, hell.. so apparently gnome-shell had to be started with --replace, but gnome would rather just die again after it died.. |
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| 14:43.58 | tomnor | where is the switch to turn on screen sharing |
| 14:44.10 | tomnor | in the gnome settings |
| 14:44.19 | nkuttler | look for vnc? |
| 14:44.32 | tomnor | where? you mean i should install it? |
| 14:45.04 | tomnor | the debian handbook says the switch is there by default since jessie |
| 14:45.08 | tomnor | but now its not there |
| 14:45.21 | tomnor | I mean in the gnome configuration panel |
| 14:45.54 | saptech | hi all |
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| 14:46.54 | saptech | does anyone use PekWM? If so, do you know how I can add icons to the right click menus? |
| 14:47.58 | saptech | without manually adding them |
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| 14:48.58 | tomnor | how do I enable screen sharing? |
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| 14:50.40 | saptech | tomnor, a google search came up with, "Wayland breaks screen sharing. You might have to switch back to Xorg" |
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| 14:51.07 | tomnor | saptech: do you have the link? |
| 14:51.23 | saptech | https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/cdbvzk/screen_sharing_in_buster/ |
| 14:51.43 | tomnor | thanks |
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| 15:17.40 | vsayikiran | hi i am tring to install anbox, with this command : snap install --classic anbox-installer && anbox-installer |
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| 15:18.17 | vsayikiran | is this right way? |
| 15:22.11 | annadane | well... anbox is already packaged for debian, you don't necessarily need a snap |
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| 15:24.16 | vsayikiran | i did sudo apt search anbox no results :-( |
| 15:25.06 | annadane | it's in contrib/non free |
| 15:25.14 | annadane | so you need to add that to your sources.list |
| 15:25.24 | vsayikiran | my sources.list point to that |
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| 15:25.33 | annadane | ,v anbox |
| 15:25.34 | judd | Package: anbox on amd64 -- stretch-backports/contrib: 0.0~git20181014-1~bpo9+1; bullseye/contrib: 0.0~git20190124-1; buster/contrib: 0.0~git20190124-1; sid/contrib: 0.0~git20190124-1 |
| 15:25.43 | annadane | are you still on stretch? |
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| 15:26.03 | vsayikiran | anna: I am on buster....32 bit OS and arch too |
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| 15:27.53 | vsayikiran | anna: this is my source file |
| 15:27.54 | vsayikiran | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main contrib non-free |
| 15:27.54 | vsayikiran | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates main contrib non-free |
| 15:27.54 | vsayikiran | deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 15:28.49 | annadane | strange |
| 15:29.10 | annadane | (by the way you don't need sudo for "apt search") |
| 15:29.13 | vsayikiran | anna : so do i need to edit anyting in source.list file |
| 15:29.23 | annadane | if you just apt install anbox, does it work? |
| 15:29.42 | vsayikiran | anna: just habituated with sudo |
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| 15:31.11 | uRock | I just ran that command in Buster and it shows it installable. |
| 15:31.36 | vsayikiran | uRock: can u you share some output |
| 15:32.04 | uRock | what's the link to make a pastebin? |
| 15:32.05 | vsayikiran | anna : also is my source file correct or missing something crucial |
| 15:32.12 | annadane | no, should be fine... |
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| 15:32.56 | annadane | uRock, paste.debian.net |
| 15:33.01 | saptech | https://bpaste.net/ |
| 15:33.08 | annadane | anyway, anbox *is* packaged in debian buster, so... |
| 15:33.09 | uRock | ty |
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| 15:35.47 | vsayikiran | anna: when i googled anbox for debian....i got official debian site for sid and backports |
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| 15:35.56 | uRock | vsayikiran, http://paste.debian.net/1092450/ |
| 15:35.56 | vsayikiran | but not buster |
| 15:35.58 | Monodroid | dont google! use startpage.com |
| 15:36.20 | annadane | https://packages.debian.org/buster/anbox |
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| 15:36.41 | annadane | maybe google still has results from Stretch |
| 15:36.47 | annadane | but as of Buster, anbox is packaged |
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| 15:39.00 | vsayikiran | i found here https://manpages.debian.org/buster/anbox/anbox.1.en.html |
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| 15:39.34 | yokowka | heavenO everysoul!! i can not run iwconfig , for see why not run adapter wi-fi.... |
| 15:39.37 | annadane | well, those are just man pages |
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| 15:42.07 | vsayikiran | yokowka : me too can run iwconfig.....i get no device |
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| 15:43.19 | annadane | so, anyway, does apt install anbox work? |
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| 15:43.45 | uRock | I hate my ISP. Made a payment online and they sent a refresh that caused the modem to break connection. |
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| 15:45.25 | vsayikiran | anna : still trying |
| 15:45.45 | annadane | yokowka, i'm guessing you probably need to be root, have you tried that? what's the exact problem? |
| 15:46.07 | annadane | vsayikiran, your sources.list is correct so i don't know why it wouldn't be possible |
| 15:46.36 | vsayikiran | anna: yes that what i am wondering |
| 15:46.55 | annadane | if it still says package not found then try an "apt update" first |
| 15:48.06 | vsayikiran | anna : do I need to install snap or just anbox is sufficient |
| 15:48.24 | vsayikiran | i maean snapd (currently already installed ) |
| 15:48.29 | yokowka | annadane never mind. tumbler wi-fi was off |
| 15:48.48 | annadane | i mean if you have no special needs you probably don't need a snap if something is already packaged in debian |
| 15:48.57 | annadane | maybe if you needed a piece of software to always be up to ate |
| 15:48.59 | annadane | date* |
| 15:49.02 | vsayikiran | yoko: for me wifi is on still i don't see any output |
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| 15:49.45 | vsayikiran | anna: i wanted to use android apps in GUI after installing apk in anbox this is what 'm looking for |
| 15:50.23 | annadane | so probably you're fine just installing from apt... |
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| 16:13.04 | vsayikiran | currently doing apt update and upgrade only one package to update linux kernel |
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| 16:14.18 | vsayikiran | i will restart pc,...ff is f***** freezing |
| 16:15.45 | saptech | if it upgraded FF, close & reopen it |
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| 16:31.29 | ubuntuuser | i have one question. i heard that Debian is ubuntu-based but i cant find some ubuntu pacakges and some ubuntu themes |
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| 16:31.56 | SwedeMike | ubuntuuser: ... or ubuntu is debian-based. |
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| 16:36.13 | coruja | !tell ubuntuuser about ubuntu |
| 16:36.27 | xbow | qu1nn_pr0: ever tried plain "updatedb" and "locate" ? |
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| 16:40.32 | RachaelLee | hi, how can i use apt or dpkg to remove a package that is failing to upgrade when i do an apt upgrade? it says dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/sendanywhere_9.3.5-343_amd64.deb (--unpack): there is no script in the new version of the package - giving up |
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| 16:41.14 | xbow | RachaelLee: try sudo apt --fix-broken install first |
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| 16:42.59 | RachaelLee | xbow, thank you. i'll try that quick |
| 16:43.55 | xbow | RachaelLee: yw |
| 16:44.14 | xbow | RachaelLee: there's other ways to fix that |
| 16:44.28 | xbow | RachaelLee: but try that first |
| 16:44.30 | xbow | :) |
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| 16:46.05 | RachaelLee | yip, i am, but i deleted the package in /var/apt/cache, in case it was corrupt, now im only getting 40k/s from their mirror for a 53mb file :( |
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| 16:55.58 | RachaelLee | xbow, it just fails again, is there i way i can get rid of it? i dont need it or use it? |
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| 17:00.05 | rant | ,v sendanywhere |
| 17:00.06 | judd | No package named 'sendanywhere' was found in amd64. |
| 17:00.35 | rant | RachaelLee: you've already tried apt remove sendanywhere? |
| 17:00.42 | RachaelLee | yes |
| 17:00.44 | RachaelLee | it says |
| 17:00.59 | vsayikiran | rant: ? |
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| 17:01.17 | RachaelLee | package is in a very bad inconsistent state; you should reinstall it before attempting a removal |
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| 17:02.20 | xbow | RachaelLee: one sec |
| 17:02.31 | xbow | RachaelLee: check /msg |
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| 17:02.44 | rant | vsayikiran: ! |
| 17:02.56 | vsayikiran | rant : is there a way to list a misisng package in apt or aptitude |
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| 17:03.16 | rant | vsayikiran: a "missing" package? |
| 17:03.30 | vsayikiran | missing means some package which ought to be there but unfortunately not in the list |
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| 17:04.13 | rant | vsayikiran: I think you have a great deal of fundamental misunderstanding of what these programs are and how they work |
| 17:04.21 | vsayikiran | rant: apt search anbox i dont see any result since package is not listed in repos......although it is there in debian.package/buster website |
| 17:04.44 | rant | vsayikiran: those are package managers, they do nothing with packages available either locally, or remotely.. they operate on databases generated by cached data from mirrors |
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| 17:05.07 | rant | vsayikiran: the underlying package manager they all use is dpkg, it knows about anything installed regardless if its in the cache |
| 17:05.15 | rant | vsayikiran: dpkg -l for example |
| 17:05.59 | vsayikiran | rant: what if package manager does not sync its database with mirror correctly......that is what i understand as missing |
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| 17:06.50 | vsayikiran | rant : i mean mirror website has package listed but when i run the apt search command package is not listed.....how do we sync local repos list with mirror site |
| 17:07.02 | rant | vsayikiran: using apt update |
| 17:07.27 | vsayikiran | rant: i did that and also apt upgrade but pakcage is not yet listing in search results |
| 17:07.32 | rant | vsayikiran: the cache will only contain packages actually in the packages file on the mirror which match the suites you specified |
| 17:09.05 | rant | that is if a mirror contains packages foo.deb and bar.deb put only foo is in the packages file, you'll only see foo.. provided that it says foo is in the suite you specified.. but if you specified baz as the suite and its listed as quux, its not gonna show up |
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| 17:11.49 | vsayikiran | rant: i mean there is a package foo.deb listed in mirror site.......but when i do apt update and apt search foo.deb in terminal, i do not see any result.... |
| 17:12.25 | rant | feel free to write this down and take a picture of it, cause I'm not going to repeat it.. I don't care.. |
| 17:12.34 | annadane | vsayikiran, what architecture are you on anyway? |
| 17:12.40 | annadane | i probably should've asked that first |
| 17:12.45 | rant | I already explained that a package being on a mirror doesnt make it show up in the package manager |
| 17:13.00 | annadane | i think you said you were on 32 bit |
| 17:13.01 | rant | I also concisely explained how that happens |
| 17:13.03 | vsayikiran | rant: 32 bit |
| 17:13.17 | annadane | anbox is only listed as being on amd64, arm64, armhf |
| 17:13.29 | vsayikiran | rant: yes that is what happening |
| 17:14.05 | rant | vsayikiran: well apparently annadane knows more about this and they know enough to assess the issue.. apparently the package is not available for your architecture |
| 17:14.18 | vsayikiran | anna: yeah initially i had same doubt is it due to architecture |
| 17:14.28 | annadane | i should have checked that first, it's my mistake |
| 17:14.38 | annadane | so i suppose then you could just install via snap |
| 17:14.47 | rant | architecture, suite, section, etc.. will exclude packages from your database on a cache update |
| 17:15.05 | rant | it will only list packages that will actually install on your system |
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| 17:17.02 | vsayikiran | anna: where can i get anbox 32 bit package to install via snap |
| 17:17.08 | annadane | i don't know |
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| 17:18.14 | annadane | vsayikiran, i might try asking in #snapcraft |
| 17:18.53 | annadane | vsayikiran, btw, if you want to highlight people your irc client probably supports tab completion for names |
| 17:19.12 | annadane | rather than type out the name each time or only part of the name, in which case the recipient doesn't know you pinged them |
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| 17:19.30 | rant | you may also want to talk to the developers of anbox.. to find out if its even usable on 32bit.. or will do anything for you.. |
| 17:19.35 | annadane | people do idle on IRC and switch away from the screen to do other things |
| 17:19.39 | rant | I looked into it before, determined its rather useless |
| 17:19.51 | vsayikiran | i tried contacting their official IRC channel but no response |
| 17:19.57 | rant | annadane: really? |
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| 17:20.05 | rant | switches back to tv on vlc |
| 17:20.18 | annadane | vsayikiran, it can take time to get an answer, be patient |
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| 17:20.33 | vsayikiran | annadane: i use pidgin i m cheking where is that option |
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| 17:20.42 | rant | heh |
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| 17:21.16 | rant | consider if you are going to use IRC, using an actual IRC client like quassel, hexchat, or such |
| 17:21.32 | annadane | eww quassel |
| 17:21.40 | rant | pidgin is more an IM client that just so happens to support irc |
| 17:22.00 | rant | annadane: I find it surprising you don't like that :P |
| 17:22.07 | vsayikiran | rant: i use pidgin for gtalk too |
| 17:22.14 | annadane | i honestly never used it long enough to get used to it |
| 17:22.50 | rant | annadane: I used it a couple days.. liked the way it split the client in two and allowed me to use it the same way I use screen+irssi+mosh |
| 17:23.00 | rant | without having to fool with xpra or such |
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| 17:25.10 | annadane | vsayikiran, sorry for taking so long to get you an answer, i'm not accustomed to people running 32 bit systems and having a package not be available, it's really one of the first things i should've checked |
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| 17:25.40 | vsayikiran | annadane: common its fine...... |
| 17:25.58 | annadane | i don't like snaps in general because they're not really standardized, i prefer flatpaks or perhaps appimages, but anbox isn't in flatpak unfortunately |
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| 17:26.35 | vsayikiran | annadane: does anbox allow to install youtube app from googleplay |
| 17:26.53 | annadane | i have no idea, never used it |
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| 17:27.40 | vsayikiran | annadane: i found few websites with all detailed steps and commands to setup snapd and anbox .....but no where i saw a link to download anbox package |
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| 17:28.18 | annadane | well just be careful with following instructions from random websites |
| 17:28.23 | annadane | there's a lot of bad debian advice o nth inernet |
| 17:28.27 | annadane | on the internet * |
| 17:28.30 | rant | I don't like snaps because they get a little crack, and then they want more.. next thing you know they're stealing people's TVs to get more crack.. and this is about as much on topic as this conversation about anbox which probably would be of no use to you for whatever you're trying to do anyhow |
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| 17:29.08 | vsayikiran | i went to official site of anbox, there is has steps to update source..list.....but it points to ubuntu |
| 17:29.27 | xbow | ubuntu is an african word for... |
| 17:29.40 | xbow | ...I can't configure my debian |
| 17:29.42 | xbow | ;P |
| 17:30.08 | vsayikiran | annadane: https://docs.anbox.io/userguide/install.html it is official site |
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| 17:32.26 | vsayikiran | annadane: then you read the first step to install DKMS, https://docs.anbox.io/userguide/install_kernel_modules.html read: Install DKMS package from PPA |
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| 17:32.37 | coruja | wikipedia says anbox needs x86-64 or arm arch |
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| 17:33.37 | rant | vsayikiran: this is not going to work for what you want to do, and it is not even remotely on topic here |
| 17:37.19 | vsayikiran | yeah bad luck with 32 bit cpu.:-( |
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| 17:43.43 | JordiGH | Okay, I guess it's time to upgrade. |
| 17:43.48 | JordiGH | How paranoid should I be? |
| 17:44.01 | xbow | JordiGH: about what? |
| 17:44.07 | JordiGH | Time to hit Debian... 10 is it? |
| 17:44.12 | xbow | sure |
| 17:44.13 | JordiGH | Debian slinky? |
| 17:44.21 | JordiGH | Debian kaboom? |
| 17:44.35 | JordiGH | Squeeze? Stretch? Wring? Squash? |
| 17:44.40 | xbow | lol |
| 17:44.42 | JordiGH | lol |
| 17:44.47 | vsayikiran | JordiGH: buster |
| 17:44.49 | xbow | well just hit buster |
| 17:44.51 | xbow | :) |
| 17:44.52 | JordiGH | Thanks, bust her. |
| 17:44.55 | JordiGH | Okay. |
| 17:44.57 | xbow | :D |
| 17:45.16 | JordiGH | So, just update sources.list, apt update, apt ugrade? |
| 17:45.22 | xbow | nope |
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| 17:45.58 | annadane | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 17:46.02 | xbow | JordiGH: /msg dpkg stretch->buster |
| 17:46.03 | annadane | read those |
| 17:46.05 | JordiGH | I was afraid someone would say that. |
| 17:46.10 | JordiGH | Okay, fine, I'll read the damn things. |
| 17:46.27 | annadane | i mean considering one of the warnings is "changed interface names"... |
| 17:46.30 | annadane | you'd do well to read |
| 17:46.53 | JordiGH | I'm not sure I should notice that. |
| 17:47.06 | vsayikiran | JordiGH: its simple in current version keep it upto date...by running apt update and apt upgrade.....change the sources.list to buster and then apt update and apt dist-upgrade |
| 17:47.08 | xbow | JordiGH: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-upgrade-debian-9-stretch-to-debian-10-buster |
| 17:47.11 | JordiGH | Wait, will network-manager freak out because now it doesn't know any of the new networks? |
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| 17:47.29 | xbow | JordiGH: that's what I did last weekend |
| 17:47.35 | JordiGH | And I'll have to re-input all of my wifi passwords? |
| 17:47.44 | xbow | very ez |
| 17:47.54 | asarch | What happen when a apt-get -y upgrade is interrupted by a power failure at the "Configuring libreoffice-style-tango (1:5.2.7-1+deb9u9) ..." step? |
| 17:48.10 | asarch | Is it the end of the world? |
| 17:49.38 | rant | nope |
| 17:49.49 | JordiGH | I don't think so, just re-run apt and it should know how to fix things. |
| 17:49.50 | rant | just start it back up |
| 17:49.55 | xbow | :) |
| 17:50.04 | asarch | THANK YOU!!! |
| 17:50.09 | rant | if it fails, you may need to manually do something like a dpkg --configure -a |
| 17:50.15 | asarch | Thank you very much guys! :-) |
| 17:50.22 | asarch | takes notes... |
| 17:50.25 | rant | since it was already in the configuring which has little to nothing to do with apt |
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| 17:51.32 | asarch | Is there any log to check if the apt-get process had already finished? |
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| 17:53.30 | Texou | asarch: /var/log/apt/history.log? |
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| 17:54.23 | Texou | anywy if apt i running a lock file i present and reported |
| 17:54.29 | Texou | is* |
| 17:54.45 | Texou | anyway if apt is running a lock file is present and reported |
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| 17:58.43 | JordiGH | Okay, let's backup ye olde homedir first. |
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| 18:06.30 | asarch | Thank you Texou |
| 18:06.35 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
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| 18:23.14 | old_school | Hi. |
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| 18:28.03 | old_school | Have a question about email encryption. Anyone here willing to help? |
| 18:28.39 | rant | nope |
| 18:28.51 | rant | dpkg, ask? |
| 18:28.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:28.55 | old_school | ok rant |
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| 18:36.35 | Ede|Popede | school's out for summer |
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| 18:42.54 | Battaglin | apt: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-pkg.so.5.0 |
| 18:42.58 | Battaglin | any ideas? |
| 18:44.53 | rant | has an idea about a steak quesidilla |
| 18:45.09 | Battaglin | hehe |
| 18:45.16 | Battaglin | I had Calzone |
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| 18:46.58 | rant | yeah well that error without context is about as useless as me fantisizing about a steak quesidilla.. I might have a tortilla and cheese, but no steak.. |
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| 18:47.22 | ratrace | lol |
| 18:47.30 | _bouzu_ | Battaglin, can you paste `ls -1 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-pkg.so.*` |
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| 18:48.07 | Gerowen | Battaglin: If it's missing a shared library, you can either use apt-file or dpkg -S to figure out which package has that file and then install it to satisfy the dependency. |
| 18:48.25 | rant | the preliminaries are probably best place to start.. debian version, architecture, what command generated the error, and if this error was from within a chroot, docker container, etc.. |
| 18:48.43 | rant | going at the error directly as you two are doing is liable to run the wrong direction entirely |
| 18:49.01 | rant | for all you know its not able to load that library because its the wrong architecture |
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| 18:50.36 | Battaglin | _bouzu_: http://paste.debian.net/1092466/ |
| 18:52.06 | Battaglin | I see 2 dirs |
| 18:52.12 | Battaglin | that might be wrong |
| 18:53.23 | _bouzu_ | Battaglin, oh can you do a `ls -l /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-pkg.so.*` again please. can't see links in this. |
| 18:53.42 | rant | heh |
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| 18:54.58 | Battaglin | http://paste.debian.net/1092470/ |
| 18:55.36 | Battaglin | ohh missing sym link on the 2nd one |
| 18:55.44 | Battaglin | I assume ? |
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| 18:55.57 | _bouzu_ | no this looks fine imho |
| 18:56.07 | Battaglin | roger |
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| 18:57.12 | rant | fine for what? :P |
| 18:57.27 | rant | we still have no idea what "this" is |
| 18:58.50 | _bouzu_ | just the linking. don't understand the error anymore as requested lib should be available. maybe it's somehow crrupted. but thats just a guess |
| 18:59.07 | rant | nobody would understand the message cause it has no context |
| 18:59.51 | Battaglin | I can guess that too.. cause apt dont work :D |
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| 19:00.29 | azeem | Battaglin: please post the full error |
| 19:00.32 | rant | well, then congrats, we guessed.. seems to be all you needed then |
| 19:00.50 | rant | we need a whole lot more than the full error.. we need to know what generated it |
| 19:01.01 | Battaglin | apt update |
| 19:01.01 | apt | hmm... update is to refresh the mirrors |
| 19:01.01 | Battaglin | apt: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-pkg.so.5.0: unexpected reloc type 0x0f |
| 19:01.03 | _bouzu_ | heh ok. had something similar before on a failed update. made a temp fix by symlinking a missing lib for apt and was then able to really fix package issues with apt-get -f. wanted to suppest something similar, but problems seems another one here |
| 19:01.04 | rant | what OS, arch, scenario.. is this a plain install, a chroot, what? |
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| 19:01.26 | rant | was there an upgrade that caused this, what was the command? |
| 19:01.35 | Battaglin | https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-upgrade-debian-9-stretch-to-debian-10-buster/ |
| 19:01.40 | azeem | that 'unexpected reloc type 0x0f' was ommitted earlier |
| 19:01.44 | Battaglin | followed this from 9 to 10 upgrade |
| 19:01.47 | _bouzu_ | indeed |
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| 19:02.01 | Battaglin | totally fucked up mysystem |
| 19:02.25 | rant | Battaglin: I'm not surprised.. why on earth would you follow that? |
| 19:02.39 | Battaglin | everything ok... apt update showd 653 pkgs to update then ran upgrade.... aroound 29x or soooo it failed. |
| 19:02.48 | Battaglin | I then rebooted |
| 19:02.50 | rant | Battaglin: the debian upgrade proceedure has ALWAYS been the same, read the release notes on the new release you're upgrading to.. thats on debian.org |
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| 19:03.22 | Battaglin | rant: show me how that is different to that one then ? |
| 19:04.47 | rant | the diff includes removal of that article entirely and several pages worth of completely different information :P |
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| 19:05.33 | _bouzu_ | you should have stopped on a failed major update instead of rebooting. maybe really reinstall system as it's easier than to identify and fix your dependency problem |
| 19:05.53 | Battaglin | yea I will |
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| 19:06.07 | Battaglin | cant be arsed with this anymore |
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| 19:06.33 | Battaglin | I got it up from read only mode.... so I can backup now at least |
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| 19:18.08 | jhutchins | I don't know why linuxize or anyone would do their own upgrade guide instead of just linking to the official one. |
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| 19:23.54 | petn-randall | jhutchins: ad clicks probably? |
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| 19:37.17 | KellyUS | Hi. If you enjoy sexting, join me in Snapchat: kelly_crown |
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| 19:37.46 | altker128 | Hey guys. I'm running Debian Buster here. What happened to the 'usermod' command? Is there a package that gives that to me? No luck finding it :( |
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| 19:38.22 | altker128 | Ah, sorry, the whole /usr/sbin isn't in the path for root anymore thing bit me :( |
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| 19:38.51 | petn-randall | altker128: Use `su -` or `sudo -i` to switch to root, then you'll also get the right path. |
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| 19:40.22 | altker128 | petn-randall: Do you know if this change was made for "security" reasons? Seems really bizarre to me |
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| 19:41.28 | karlpinc | altker128: I believe that it's more "compatible". RH switched about 15 years ago, IIRC. Could be wrong. "Standard is better than better." |
| 19:41.31 | petn-randall | altker128: Not sure, but IIRC you won't get root's env if you don't ask su or sudo to do so. Not sure if this changed from stretch. |
| 19:41.50 | Habbie | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=833256 |
| 19:41.51 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/833256 in util-linux (open): «util-linux: Please use login/passwd implementations provided by util-linux»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-08-02; last modified: 2018-08-07. |
| 19:42.04 | Habbie | this migration happened a year ago |
| 19:42.09 | Habbie | which means it was after stretch |
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| 19:42.52 | Habbie | https://sources.debian.org/src/util-linux/2.33.1-0.1/debian/util-linux.NEWS/ |
| 19:42.54 | Habbie | line 9-11 |
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| 19:54.40 | andrewzah | is apt clean the best way to clean up a cache after apt update/install? |
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| 19:59.18 | nkuttler | andrewzah: i prefer autoclean, but clean is fine with a local cache |
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| 20:32.10 | marek | I'm trying to force remove a kernel, ahy idea how to troubleshoot that? the otput of the script? https://gist.github.com/mmahut/fb334c8ad145f3e44042f27a6519579e |
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| 20:34.16 | jelly | marek, 1) ask in the right channel for your distro 2) first reboot into some OTHER kernel |
| 20:34.24 | ml| | marek: Boot in too another kernel. |
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| 20:35.47 | jelly | marek, sadly there is no channel for dpkg questions that I know of. We serve current and potential Debian users in here. |
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| 20:36.47 | jelly | with side of salad |
| 20:38.02 | tharkun | Godd $DAY I have a problem regarding an app that has a backend on por 8081 and it is impossible for me to connect to it from my current location. nmap reports that the port is open yet I still get a network error. When accesing the same port on the same server from a different server on the other side of the world it works fine. Any suggestions. |
| 20:38.11 | Deihmos | doesn't debian install a mail client automatically? |
| 20:38.27 | Deihmos | the manual says it installs exim4 by default but that's false |
| 20:38.32 | jelly | Deihmos, no, why do you ask? |
| 20:38.33 | tharkun | Not that I recall |
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| 20:38.45 | tharkun | Deihmos: exim is a mail Server |
| 20:38.48 | tharkun | mta for short |
| 20:38.57 | Deihmos | mail server |
| 20:39.03 | Deihmos | not client |
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| 20:39.07 | tharkun | bingo |
| 20:39.20 | Deihmos | the manual says it is installed by default but that's false |
| 20:40.14 | jelly | Deihmos, which manual, which debian release, did you uncheck the "standard" task in the installer? |
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| 20:40.26 | Deihmos | nope i left it |
| 20:40.53 | tharkun | tips hat on jelly's general direction |
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| 20:41.36 | jelly | Deihmos, ok, and the answer to those other questions? |
| 20:41.56 | Deihmos | debian 10. observed the same behavior in 9 |
| 20:42.10 | Deihmos | manual on the debian website. |
| 20:42.24 | jelly | yeah you'll have to be a bit more specific, sorry |
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| 20:43.15 | jelly | in general leaving in the standard task pulls in cron and cron pulls in the default MTA, that is, the exim4-daemon-light package |
| 20:43.34 | nydel | i'm trying to upgrade from 9.9 to 10.0 ... i'm in a terminal emulator on a mate desktop. docs seem to suggest that apt can do it - is this so? i'm up-to-date doing apt update,upgrade. do i need to change something in apt/sources.list by hand or something? tl;dr what do i need to do at terminal to upgrade from 9.9 to 10.0? thank you. |
| 20:43.49 | jelly | dpkg, stretch->buster |
| 20:43.49 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove stable-specific lines like stretch-backports. apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 20:43.56 | jelly | nydel, & |
| 20:43.58 | jelly | ^ |
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| 20:44.09 | nydel | thank you jelly |
| 20:44.12 | annadane | nydel, as jelly posted, read the release notes but also, i'd do it from a tty, not a terminal within xorg |
| 20:44.19 | annadane | because it can disappear during upgrade |
| 20:44.38 | jelly | running it inside screen or tmux is advised and I believe DOCUMENTED |
| 20:44.41 | nydel | i'll switch to a proper tty, thank you annadane |
| 20:45.01 | nydel | is advised? will do it in a screen then. |
| 20:45.09 | Deihmos | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch08s04.en.html |
| 20:46.05 | Deihmos | or this reason the packages exim4 and mutt will be installed by default (provided you did not unselect the âstandardâ task during the installation). |
| 20:46.19 | Deihmos | maybe wiki needs updating |
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| 20:47.31 | jelly | Deihmos, the actual package name for exim4 should be exim4-daemon-light. Is that installed? |
| 20:48.38 | Deihmos | no |
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| 20:49.13 | jelly | I guess you're lucky then. |
| 20:49.39 | jelly | I always have to replace it if a coworker leaves standard enabled... |
| 20:50.15 | nydel | had a pretty clean sources.list, just globally replaced 6 instances of "stretch" with "buster" and now all's in motion! |
| 20:50.17 | nydel | thank you very kindly fellow debian enthusiasts. |
| 20:50.24 | jelly | ,i exim4-daemon-light |
| 20:50.25 | judd | Package exim4-daemon-light (mail, optional) in buster/amd64: lightweight Exim MTA (v4) daemon. Version: 4.92-8; Size: 566.8k; Installed: 1332k; Homepage: https://www.exim.org/ |
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| 20:50.40 | jelly | ,i default-mta |
| 20:50.42 | judd | No package named 'default-mta' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 20:50.59 | Nuc1eoN | hey guys is there a difference between installing libc6-i386 or libc6:i386? |
| 20:51.10 | Nuc1eoN | I did a dpkg --add-architecture i386 before |
| 20:52.18 | jelly | Nuc1eoN, yes there is. libc6-i386 is a native amd64 package. |
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| 20:53.37 | Nuc1eoN | I am cofused which one I need |
| 20:53.59 | Nuc1eoN | I need it for compiling sourcemod scripts https://wiki.alliedmods.net/Building_sourcemod#Linux |
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| 20:55.19 | jelly | no idea, but you probably need libc6:i386 |
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| 20:55.36 | jelly | and them something else :i386 on top that is more useful |
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| 20:56.04 | texla | debian 10 usb live trying to determine if I want to install to hard disc..I cannot establish a wireless connection--Using help with no success--the lshw -c network command shows lshw not found--I have an Intel wireless 3160 and etc which I am now using for this conversation in another o/s |
| 20:57.10 | jelly | texla, wifi cards typically need non-free firmware, you may want to test with an unofficial live image that includes non-free firmware |
| 20:57.14 | jelly | !firmware live |
| 20:57.14 | dpkg | Unofficial <live> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for Debian 9 "Stretch" as a live OS are available at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ . See also <firmware images>. |
| 20:57.44 | jelly | texla, or try using a wired connection, that need firmware less often |
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| 20:59.31 | texla | jelly, Shows wired as being unplugged--want wireless as this is my laptop |
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| 21:01.33 | texla | jelly, Have other o/s that are usb live with no wireless problems |
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| 21:02.03 | jelly | texla, the other OS probably does not care about free software as much as Debian |
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| 21:02.49 | jelly | Debian WILL make you jump hoops to make things work with hardware that requires non-free firmware |
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| 21:03.20 | jelly | other distros have different priorities |
| 21:03.33 | Deihmos | didn't read the history but i always added the firmware package to live usb for wifi |
| 21:04.03 | jelly | that's an option too, but it's a lot easier to just use the right image |
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| 21:04.26 | Nuc1eoN | jelly, thank u |
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| 21:10.58 | Marz | do you use sudo over su |
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| 21:12.45 | humpled | do what? |
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| 21:13.21 | Marz | trying to decide if i should install sudo |
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| 21:13.28 | nifker | When I reconnect(physically) my second display, my system shortly freezes and I am then unable to output to the display, dmesg: https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/e15ad4093333450db234b86031368a73 |
| 21:13.34 | nifker | Is this bug known? |
| 21:13.35 | Marz | i usually just use su |
| 21:15.07 | EmleyMoor | I used to hate sudo but recently I've found it useful |
| 21:15.13 | humpled | if i had a root password i would use su - |
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| 21:22.02 | roylaprattep | https://pastebin.com/FxYZPUUV |
| 21:22.09 | roylaprattep | what is all that?!?!? |
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| 21:23.04 | roylaprattep | humpled: if i had? |
| 21:23.34 | Habbie | roylaprattep, judging from the timestamps, those look like automated jobs under cron or systemd |
| 21:23.49 | roylaprattep | Habbie: ok |
| 21:24.09 | Habbie | roylaprattep, which usually would mean there is related logging that shows that |
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| 21:31.26 | roylaprattep | someone can pastebin me the default config for limits.conf please, in /etc/security |
| 21:31.30 | roylaprattep | a virgin one please |
| 21:31.40 | roylaprattep | that comes with stretch |
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| 21:33.00 | petn-randall | !confmiss |
| 21:33.00 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 21:33.09 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: You can grab the fresh one with this ^^^ |
| 21:33.17 | roylaprattep | !confmiss |
| 21:33.17 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 21:33.54 | roylaprattep | it gonna replace all my config files? |
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| 21:34.42 | cnrhkiyf | when I install debian 10 netinst I have no dpkg-reconfigure available how can I install it? |
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| 21:35.01 | humpled | !buster su |
| 21:35.01 | dpkg | The <su> command changed in buster: it no longer overrides the PATH variable. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for workarounds. |
| 21:35.26 | petn-randall | cnrhkiyf: Are you sure? I'm guessing it's just not in your path. ^ |
| 21:35.44 | roylaprattep | dkpg is pretty basic |
| 21:35.58 | roylaprattep | it needs it even during install, i guess. |
| 21:36.07 | humpled | so i guess 'which' won't find it but 'whereis' will |
| 21:36.12 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: yes, it would replace them all (just move them out of the way) |
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| 21:36.36 | roylaprattep | petn-randall: ok no, can you juste pastebin me your, i guess you didnt touch it |
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| 21:40.28 | roylaprattep | petn-randall: whats the package name that include limits.conf? |
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| 21:40.45 | cnrhkiyf | yes I can find it with whereis but not with which |
| 21:40.48 | tommaso | https://paste.debian.net/1092480/ - anyone knows how to fix this ? |
| 21:40.58 | cnrhkiyf | but how can I fix this |
| 21:41.35 | petn-randall | cnrhkiyf: Use `sudo -i` or `su -` to obtain root instead. |
| 21:41.45 | cnrhkiyf | yes I am root |
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| 21:42.04 | petn-randall | cnrhkiyf: But you used `su`, which doesn't change the path. |
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| 21:42.27 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: `apt-file search <file>` will tell you. |
| 21:43.17 | cnrhkiyf | ok but why is this |
| 21:43.24 | cnrhkiyf | different than in stretch |
| 21:43.34 | petn-randall | cnrhkiyf: Check the factoid above. |
| 21:44.27 | humpled | easy peasy privilege escalation |
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| 21:45.23 | JordiGH | Okay, so gnome-do is gone in buster. |
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| 21:46.28 | roylaprattep | petn-randall: https://pastebin.com/nvHr7nik |
| 21:46.33 | jgh | I won't miss it much, but it was nice to have a prompt that auto-completed program names when I wanted to run something. |
| 21:46.37 | roylaprattep | can you tell me whats this |
| 21:46.39 | jgh | What kind of thing does that now? |
| 21:47.07 | jgh | So I can do something like keyboard shortcut -> type "e" -> thing autocompletes to "emacs" -> hit enter to open Emacs |
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| 21:47.47 | jgh | The "run application" dialogue in mate doesn't know about "displays" for example. |
| 21:48.13 | joepublic | jgh, you might try synapse |
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| 21:49.59 | JordiGH | Oh, that seems promising let's see... |
| 21:50.42 | JordiGH | joepublic: thanks, this looks exactly like what I wanted. |
| 21:51.01 | joepublic | You are very welcome. |
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| 21:51.34 | humpled | idgi |
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| 21:52.03 | JordiGH | Hm, I lost my compiz configs, but I can get those back. |
| 21:52.34 | swift110 | sup |
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| 21:53.29 | JordiGH | God damn what a thing of beauty Debian is. Hundreds of volunteers packaging software written by thousands and it all just damn works. |
| 21:53.38 | JordiGH | I love you guys. |
| 21:53.49 | jelly | aww |
| 21:53.54 | petn-randall | JordiGH: you're welcome <3 |
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| 21:54.31 | jelly | !kiss JordiGH |
| 21:54.31 | dpkg | smooches JordiGH on the lips |
| 21:54.57 | jelly | now you got bot sores. |
| 21:55.24 | petn-randall | roylaprattep: It looks like the output of a package installation? What do I win? |
| 21:57.21 | jelly | dpkg, give petn-randall a cookie |
| 21:57.21 | dpkg | gives petn-randall a home-baked peanut butter cookie to cheer him up. |
| 21:57.22 | roylaprattep | petn-randall: haha |
| 21:57.24 | JordiGH | Oh boy I think synapse is even better than gnome-do |
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| 21:57.50 | roylaprattep | petn-randall: i found it, it was a bad uuid in the resume config file in initramfs-tool |
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| 22:02.38 | JordiGH | And compiz looks good too. How? Animations are smoother than they were. |
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| 22:03.15 | jelly | JordiGH, don't worry, it will break again release after this |
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| 22:26.06 | corsair | hey |
| 22:26.18 | corsair | I am trying to install libboost on stretch |
| 22:26.32 | corsair | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.44 | corsair | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:26.44 | corsair | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.50 | corsair | so, what should I do here? |
| 22:27.45 | LtL | corsair: you coud try 'aptitude why-not libboost-all-dev' |
| 22:28.04 | corsair | doesnt work. apt-get install libboost1.67-dev worked |
| 22:28.11 | corsair | doesnt have the "all" in there |
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| 22:38.57 | jelly | ,depends libboost-all-dev --release stretch |
| 22:38.58 | judd | Package libboost-all-dev in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libboost-dev, libboost-tools-dev, libboost-atomic-dev, libboost-chrono-dev, libboost-context-dev, libboost-coroutine-dev, libboost-date-time-dev, libboost-exception-dev, libboost-fiber-dev, libboost-filesystem-dev, libboost-graph-dev, libboost-graph-parallel-dev, libboost-iostreams-dev, libboost-locale-dev, libboost-log-dev, libboost-math-dev, |
| 22:38.59 | judd | libboost-mpi-dev, libboost-mpi-python-dev, libboost-program-options-dev, libboost-python-dev, libboost-random-dev, libboost-regex-dev, libboost-serialization-dev, libboost-signals-dev, libboost-system-dev, libboost-test-dev, libboost-thread-dev, libboost-timer-dev, libboost-type-erasure-dev, libboost-wave-dev. |
| 22:39.17 | jelly | ,depends libboost-dev --release stretch |
| 22:39.19 | judd | Package libboost-dev in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libboost1.62-dev. |
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| 22:41.30 | jelly | it seems that's not the default boost version in stretch (I'm not sure if there is such a thing at all) |
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| 22:43.41 | Habbie | i install libboost-all-dev on stretch all the time, it 'just works' |
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| 22:44.33 | Habbie | ,v libboost1.67-dev |
| 22:44.34 | judd | Package: libboost1.67-dev on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 1.67.0-7~bpo9+1; bullseye: 1.67.0-13; buster: 1.67.0-13; sid: 1.67.0-13 |
| 22:44.40 | Habbie | ah, backports |
| 22:44.41 | NateDog | Hello |
| 22:44.44 | corsair | here I get broken deps |
| 22:44.46 | Habbie | that's a clue |
| 22:44.56 | corsair | should I add backports then? |
| 22:44.57 | jelly | !bat |
| 22:44.57 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 22:45.03 | jelly | corsair, ^ |
| 22:45.06 | Habbie | stretch boost is 1.62 |
| 22:45.20 | Habbie | corsair, no, libboost-all-dev should just work on plain stretch without backports |
| 22:45.25 | Habbie | corsair, it's -with- backports i have no experience with |
| 22:45.27 | joepublic | installing "newer" things can make "current" things not work because their dependencies are too new to satisfy an exact dependency requirement. |
| 22:45.39 | Habbie | right |
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| 22:45.54 | Habbie | something else might be preventing libboost-all-dev from getting the 'old' stuff it depends on |
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| 23:10.04 | corsair | how can I know which version of c++ my g++ supports? |
| 23:12.11 | swift110 | hmm |
| 23:12.38 | joepublic | i don't guess cpp --version would help, just yielding the gcc version |
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| 23:13.58 | corsair | ahh fuck |
| 23:14.03 | corsair | I need cmake 3.8 |
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| 23:17.08 | CountryfiedLinux | howdy |
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| 23:18.16 | CountryfiedLinux | The net installer didn't detect my touchpad, so I used my wireless mouse. It then told me my network hardware requires proprietary drivers. Manjaro didn't require proprietary drivers and it connected to the internet just fine. I'm now downloading the unofficial non-free Debian 10 ISO. No torrent for that and the Debian servers are very slow now. |
| 23:19.44 | humpled | do you think maybe manjaro just included proprietary drivers without telling you |
| 23:19.52 | joepublic | [whatever you used] required the same things, but unlike debian, is not 100% free software, and so it provided the non-free bits as par for the course. |
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| 23:21.35 | CountryfiedLinux | joepublic, Are you sure? Of the 2 options free and non-free, I chose free and the internet connected fine. Does my touchpad also require proprietary drivers? |
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| 23:22.58 | joepublic | CountryfiedLinux, I am sure. If you want a 100% free software arch-based thing to try, check out something like parabola |
| 23:23.21 | joepublic | as to what your unspecified touchpad requires, I don't know. |
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| 23:25.21 | CountryfiedLinux | I didn't realize there was anything proprietary required for Realtek wireless cards. |
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| 23:26.27 | joepublic | the realtek wired cards by and large work without proprietary firmware, but the wireless ones not so much. |
| 23:27.17 | CountryfiedLinux | oh ok |
| 23:28.19 | altker128 | Question for building a custom kernel |
| 23:28.30 | altker128 | Currently I can do this via the make-debpkg and this works great |
| 23:28.54 | altker128 | I need to make some modifications to a driver ; can I just make the changes and do a make / make install? Been awhile since I've messed with kernel stuff on Debian |
| 23:30.43 | joepublic | change your source, make deb-pkg, that creates .deb files for you to install with dpkg, apt, or gdebi |
| 23:30.59 | altker128 | joepublic: Problem is that tends to re-build everything |
| 23:31.17 | joepublic | if you make menuconfig it automatically does a make clean |
| 23:31.18 | altker128 | joepublic: So a build takes like 20 mins ; I'm make small changes to a module which should only affect that .ko |
| 23:31.36 | altker128 | joepublic: Do you mean makedeb-pkg ? |
| 23:32.19 | joepublic | building a kernel, I use: make -j 10 deb-pkg |
| 23:32.20 | altker128 | CountryfiedLinux: I did a Buster install and it didn't work with the touchpad until after the install ; when it rebooted everything was good. Modern touchpads use an I2c interface |
| 23:32.39 | altker128 | joepublic: Yes, I'm doing make -j8 deb-pkg ; I think it still does a make clean as part of the build process |
| 23:33.16 | joepublic | I didn't know. Strikes me that just doing make should only rebuild things that have changed. (but I don't recall, honestly) |
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| 23:38.26 | jhutchins | altker128: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why |
| 23:38.45 | jhutchins | Substitute "Debian" for "openbsd". |
| 23:39.25 | altker128 | Sorry I don't see the relevance |
| 23:39.32 | altker128 | I've been building kernels for like 20 years |
| 23:41.47 | jhutchins | How do I know how long you've been building kernels? That's just a standard reference that might be helpful to someone building a custom kernel/ |
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| 23:43.52 | altker128 | Well, I'm asking specifically about building a kernel for a Debian machine ; and the question was, will make && make install work? |
| 23:44.09 | altker128 | I think so ; I've done the make deb-pkg once already so the kernel sources are installed |
| 23:44.18 | altker128 | (for the kernel I'm making changes to) |
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| 23:46.17 | HicksD | For debian https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official covers various ways. |
| 23:48.22 | altker128 | I guess once a make is done, one can execute a make deb-pkg and avoid the make clean |
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| 23:56.37 | bliv | hello, my apt upgrade crashed and I donât know if I should be worried :/ |
| 23:56.41 | bliv | https://framabin.org/p/?ff995ea5431c563c#CQlC4kYllSEG8WjDl91V+X+LB2OL5YOGudZlnj81uS8= |
| 23:57.20 | wirser | Hi , I'm using debian 9.9 xfce and am having problems trying to change the cursor size . I've tried using the settings menu and cli "gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface cursor-size", both report changes after reboot but cursor size remains the same. any ideas? |
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| 23:59.42 | bliv | this is the log file it mentions: https://framabin.org/p/?f93bebe42550becb#j6qadQF4SXT6UXGRO7ZYV4UFSQGAZkxPZF9I0tlf0UQ= |
