| 00:00.35 | petn-randall | bliv: So, did you consult /var/lib/dkms/open-vm-tools/10.1.5/build/make.log for more information? |
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| 00:01.22 | JordiGH | Anyone remember what was that firefox thing that was kind of like private browsing but multiple profiles at the same time? |
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| 00:02.18 | petn-randall | JordiGH: `firefox-esr -ProfileManager` is probably what you're looking form. |
| 00:02.21 | petn-randall | *for |
| 00:02.36 | JordiGH | No, I know that. |
| 00:02.46 | JordiGH | It was some other thing, some feature where you had one profile per window. |
| 00:03.13 | JordiGH | Or something like being able to run multiple windows each with its own independent private browsing history. |
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| 00:03.34 | JordiGH | It had a different name, not profiles... |
| 00:03.44 | petn-randall | Eh, no idea then. |
| 00:03.52 | JordiGH | Containers! |
| 00:03.58 | GenTooMan | I'm getting an anomoly from pip (not pip3) http://paste.debian.net/1092438/ suggestions? |
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| 00:04.28 | JordiGH | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account-containers/ |
| 00:04.30 | myall | Upgraded a Debian Stretch container this morning to Buster. Seemed to work fine, however I am now having a weird issue getting a systemd service (which managed boinc-client) to start. If I start boinc-client directly, it works no issues. But the systemd until refused to start with an error. I have included the systemd unti file (which is the same as the standard one provided on Buster), and the status output |
| 00:04.31 | myall | here: https://pastebin.com/DgZTHLaQ |
| 00:04.49 | myall | Any help would be appreciated. I have reinstalled the packages, purged etc multiple times. |
| 00:04.56 | dtux | GenTooMan: how about python -m pip? |
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| 00:06.27 | GenTooMan | dtux that appears to give a functional response. |
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| 00:08.05 | petn-randall | myall: `ExecStopPost=/bin/rm -f lockfile |
| 00:08.20 | petn-randall | myall: `ExecStopPost=/bin/rm -f lockfile` looks worrying. Is that really in the systemd unit shipped by Debian? |
| 00:08.46 | myall | petn-randall: Yessir. I made sure I copied over the new unit after I initially encountered the issue. |
| 00:09.14 | altker128 | jhutchins: Doing a 'make' after making the module changes worked and just rebuilt the module |
| 00:09.16 | petn-randall | myall: Why did you copy the unit, if it's shipped like that in Debian? |
| 00:09.17 | dtux | GenTooMan: something is messed up with the pip entry_point... done any `sudo pip`ing? |
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| 00:10.02 | myall | petn-randall: I wanted to rule out that something was different in the systemd unit that came over from Stretch. So as a troubleshooting step I removed the original one and made sure that it was the same as the one Buster provides (in /lib/) |
| 00:12.36 | dtux | GenTooMan: might try apt reinstall python-pip |
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| 00:13.30 | petn-randall | myall: Which kernel version are you running? Maybe it doesn't support namespacing? |
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| 00:14.07 | myall | petn-randall: Actually that might make sense. It's running on a Proxmox box (still on the Stretch version), but as I said this is inside an LXC container. |
| 00:14.12 | myall | Let me check the kernel version |
| 00:14.36 | petn-randall | Ah, proxmox is not supported in here. |
| 00:14.37 | myall | petn-randall: 4.15.18-9-pve |
| 00:14.39 | petn-randall | !proxmox |
| 00:14.39 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 00:14.50 | myall | Well, thing is I don't think this is a Proxmox issue. |
| 00:15.06 | petn-randall | myall: If you can reproduce the issue on Debian, feel free to file a bug report. |
| 00:15.22 | myall | petn-randall: yeah ok thanks |
| 00:16.04 | petn-randall | myall: works fine here on buster: http://paste.debian.net/1092489/ |
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| 00:20.09 | GenTooMan | dtux one no haven't done sudo pip <anything> to reinstall doesn't appear to change a thing. I am using buster so maybe to do with buster? It's just python2 that does it with pip |
| 00:22.07 | Bjornn- | !pip |
| 00:22.07 | dpkg | The "pip" utility (in the python-pip package) permits the installation of python modules. Use of this as root for system-wide installation can break packaged python modules and applications and is not recommended. Use in a <virtualenv> or for a single user in ~/.local/ can have similar effects but at least the breakage is limited to one user. See <local python> |
| 00:23.22 | dtux | hmm not sure... but ya. i dont usually keep pip installed globally at all |
| 00:23.29 | dtux | pipx only |
| 00:23.41 | dtux | for everything else, i use a venv |
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| 00:25.54 | GenTooMan | dtux well that's better than what I had before. It's a tad frustrating because other programs rely on a functional pip |
| 00:28.02 | dtux | fwiw, if pip has to be installed globally, i use PIP_REQUIRE_VIRTUALENV=true to save me from myself |
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| 00:49.52 | aje | Moo |
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| 01:04.06 | Lady_Aleena | What program would I use to test my speakers? I don't see a speaker by speaker control in pauvcontrol. |
| 01:04.39 | antto | how many speakers are we talking about here? |
| 01:04.51 | Lady_Aleena | 5 |
| 01:04.57 | antto | oh boy |
| 01:05.12 | Lady_Aleena | I've got surround sound on my computer. |
| 01:05.35 | Lady_Aleena | 5 not including the subwoofer. |
| 01:05.47 | antto | yeah, can't help you with that |
| 01:06.35 | antto | maybe there might be some web-based thing? |
| 01:07.01 | Lady_Aleena | I have no idea. |
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| 01:10.39 | Lady_Aleena | I"ll be so upset if my left front speaker is permanently dead. |
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| 01:11.53 | antto | :/ |
| 01:12.12 | antto | would you feel better if i tell you that surround sound sux anyways? |
| 01:12.59 | Lady_Aleena | Nope. |
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| 01:25.45 | themill | !man speaker-test |
| 01:25.45 | dpkg | man speaker-test is probably at http://manpages.debian.org/speaker-test where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>. |
| 01:26.49 | CarlFK | trying to run voctogui (packaged https://github.com/voc/voctomix/) and now: ERROR root: gst_parse_error: no element "glupload" (1) |
| 01:27.18 | CarlFK | that is listed on https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=867574 |
| 01:27.19 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/867574 in gstreamer1.0 (forwarded, fixed-upstream, upstream): «gstreamer1.0: Reports of missing plugins: Plugins blacklisted during upgrade»; severity: important; opened: 2017-07-07; last modified: 2018-11-05. |
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| 01:35.09 | themill | CarlFK: did the suggestion of clearing stuff out of ~/.cache/gstreamer-1.0/ help? |
| 01:37.59 | CarlFK | themill: ~/.cache/gstreamer-1.0$ rm * - still broken |
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| 01:39.26 | themill | pity |
| 01:41.03 | crimson_king | How is it that Debian Buster shows "bullets" as you type the LUKS key on system startup? I'd like to know how to do that myself on another distribution. It is very convenient for a home computer. |
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| 01:42.47 | epony | I would not use an encrypted partition / file system on a home computer. |
| 01:42.55 | Marz | do you use exim4 or postfix |
| 01:43.17 | epony | Marz most probably exim |
| 01:43.32 | epony | (I'd pick postfix though) |
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| 03:59.11 | ppc64 | can't recall the name of the debian next channel but the nightly installer blew up on me .. felt that someone should know |
| 04:00.04 | ppc64 | regardless .. made the discovery .. do not try to e2fsck the /boot/uefi filesystem ... lost the ability to boot |
| 04:00.37 | Tom-_ | !debian-next |
| 04:00.37 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 04:01.13 | Tom-_ | a bug report might apply, especially if you can reproduce it |
| 04:01.31 | Tom-_ | e2fsck would refuse to check a VFAT filesystem I think |
| 04:01.36 | Tom-_ | !esp |
| 04:01.37 | dpkg | I don't have extra-sensory perception (mind-reading powers). If you're asked a question or to run a command and provide output, it's because information is needed to help _you_ solve your problem. If you don't cooperate, or don't clearly state your problem, we can't help, and will move on to someone else. Understand? |
| 04:01.49 | Tom-_ | hmm that's not the esp i meant |
| 04:01.58 | ppc64 | I wiped the machine .. or rather I pulled all the disks, opened up a new samsung ssd and started an install of 'stable' |
| 04:01.59 | Tom-_ | !efi system partition |
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| 04:02.10 | Tom-_ | i hope it's working out for you |
| 04:02.35 | ppc64 | the stable install is always a beautiful thing in expert mode |
| 04:03.17 | ppc64 | oh .. I ca NOT join #debian-next as I must be invited |
| 04:03.32 | ppc64 | so that is a drag |
| 04:04.10 | ppc64 | anyways .. cell phone photo debug https://i.imgur.com/zMeox6e.jpg |
| 04:04.42 | ppc64 | unmet dependencies .. yeah python is a real pain |
| 04:05.29 | themill | what dpkg said. |
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| 04:07.49 | friendlyGoat | hello, i was wondering. i dont seem to have any internet connectivity after a power outage i just had. im not sure how to go about fixing this. |
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| 04:08.22 | petn-randall | friendlyGoat: Hmm, how is this related to Debian though? |
| 04:08.30 | friendlyGoat | its a debian machine |
| 04:08.38 | friendlyGoat | forgot to mention oops |
| 04:09.11 | petn-randall | friendlyGoat: The desktop client, or the router, or ...? |
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| 04:10.09 | friendlyGoat | the desktop client is not able to resolve anything or connect to the internet after a power outage |
| 04:11.02 | dstaring | Just wasted several days on fighting with PowerShell... ugh. |
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| 04:11.16 | dstaring | More like PowersHell. |
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| 04:17.11 | jmcnaught | friendofafriend: how do you configure networking? what have you tried so far? |
| 04:17.46 | jmcnaught | friendofafriend: sorry wrong person |
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| 04:21.13 | friendofafriend | No prob. |
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| 04:32.56 | ppc64 | okay .. new install is running ... heading to new machine |
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| 04:49.38 | paulohpedro | hi |
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| 04:55.39 | derlg | what do i do if i cant boot into rescue mode? |
| 04:56.09 | derlg | my encrypted ssd wont boot either way, i cant get to shell. |
| 04:57.16 | derlg | i can get to grub, but thats it. when i enter in my pass for the encrypt partition, it throws up a bunch of depends and fails. |
| 04:58.46 | derlg | at one point in time, it says it started an emergency shell, but i cant enter anything. it just hangs. then when i hit ctrl alt del, it says 'reached target shutdown' |
| 05:01.28 | petn-randall | derlg: Your only option seems to be booting a live system, and fixing it up from there. |
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| 05:08.25 | Gerowen | Where would one find the system tray icon for apps that don't integrate with Gnome Shell directly, such the Nextcloud desktop client, Hexchat, etc. |
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| 05:20.02 | Gerowen | Why is it that upon startup my Debian 10 laptop makes multiple connections to "linuxconfig.org"? Is that Debian, Firefox or maybe the Nextcloud sync client? |
| 05:21.29 | diogenes_ | Gerowen, https://www.maketecheasier.com/restore-legacy-system-tray-gnome-shell/ |
| 05:21.58 | diogenes_ | also https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1503/tray-icons/ |
| 05:22.20 | themill | Gerowen: I can't see any package in Debian that is trying to contact that site |
| 05:23.14 | Gerowen | themill: I just noticed that if I go look at the query log on my pihole right after logging into my laptop, there's several requests to that hostname. I didn't know if it had something to do with the package survey or what. |
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| 05:23.47 | themill | Gerowen: tabs in your browser being restored, perhaps? |
| 05:24.10 | Gerowen | themill: Could be, although I had never heard of it or visited that site until after I saw its URL in the pihole query log. |
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| 05:26.10 | finn0 | Where do people discussion about changes to be done in page available on wiki.debian.org? Is there any IRC channel, mailing list or any other means of communation available? |
| 05:27.12 | themill | finn0: #debian-www on irc.oftc.net or on the debian-www mailing list probably makes sense as places to coordinate changes if that's needed |
| 05:27.16 | finn0 | I want to do some minor changes in some page available on wiki.debian.org. |
| 05:27.23 | derlg | petn-randall: i can boot into a secondary hdd. what woukd i do from there? |
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| 05:28.04 | finn0 | themill: Thanks. |
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| 05:54.41 | xbow | y0⢠|
| 05:57.02 | andrewzah | has anyone run into an issue with docker on stretch running out of space in a container build? |
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| 06:05.25 | Gerowen | I figured out what the random connections were to linuxconfig, I had read an article on there like two days ago and saved it to my "pocket" in Firefox to look at later. Apaprently even though I wasn't looking at the page, Firefox was fetching some sort of data from it whenever I launched the browser. |
| 06:06.11 | themill | Fun. |
| 06:06.49 | themill | It's probably something silly like working out what icon to show next to it in the list of saved articles |
| 06:07.39 | Gerowen | Probably. I just didn't know what in the world was going on when I checked my pihole and there was all these connection attempts from my laptop when I had literally just turned the thing on and opened Firefox, :p |
| 06:07.59 | themill | yeah |
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| 06:16.15 | Tjowers | So my wifi on my new debian was working then stopped working so I was trying to figure it out and ended up making it slightly worse |
| 06:16.58 | Tjowers | ip a no longer prints out the wireless interface at all, which wasn't even the issue before, it printed before |
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| 06:18.05 | Tjowers | I saw a comment on SO for someone with a similar issue and the dude said "did you try reloading the driver with modprobe -r x" |
| 06:18.11 | xbow | Tjowers: could be a module thing |
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| 06:18.51 | xbow | Tjowers: what wlan nic you got? |
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| 06:19.21 | Tjowers | Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 |
| 06:21.26 | xbow | Tjowers: lsmod | grep ath10k_pci |
| 06:21.37 | Tjowers | Yep it's there |
| 06:22.16 | xbow | Tjowers: hmmm |
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| 06:22.47 | Tjowers | I tried `ip link set wireless_interface_name up` |
| 06:22.49 | xbow | Tjowers: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 06:22.54 | xbow | oh wait |
| 06:22.57 | xbow | Tjowers: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 06:23.01 | Tjowers | Had io error |
| 06:23.21 | xbow | Tjowers: just put /sbin/ifconfig -a into your shell |
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| 06:23.37 | Tjowers | I'm pretty sure it's not in there let me double check |
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| 06:23.44 | xbow | Tjowers: k |
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| 06:23.58 | Tjowers | I have ifdown and ifup closest thing |
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| 06:24.45 | Tjowers | Thing is my wireless interface disappeared after I messed with the modules, the modules, all 3 of them, are loaded but for whatever reason the wireless interface is gone |
| 06:25.47 | xbow | Tjowers: do you have ifconfig? |
| 06:26.43 | Tjowers | Not in /sbin or /bin or /usr/local/bin /usr/bin /usr/sbin |
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| 06:27.09 | xbow | Tjowers: k then go for "iw" .. just apt-get install iw |
| 06:27.28 | Tjowers | I need internets |
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| 06:27.58 | Tjowers | I could put it on a flash drive and copy it over but that seems pretty intense |
| 06:28.07 | xbow | Tjowers: k |
| 06:28.19 | jmcnaught | Tjowers: have you rebooted? |
| 06:28.32 | diogenes_ | Tjowers, tethering |
| 06:28.34 | Tjowers | jmcnaught actually no |
| 06:28.58 | Tjowers | Reboot in process |
| 06:29.14 | Tjowers | It was just weird that it just suddenly stopped working when I got back from work |
| 06:29.30 | themill | Out of interest, had you installed the linux-image-* package update? |
| 06:30.22 | Tjowers | Only if apt updates automatically when downloading other softwaree |
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| 06:31.31 | themill | apt doesn't, but if you had some automagical-updatey-gui-thing installed it might |
| 06:31.50 | Tjowers | Wifi has a question mark symbol |
| 06:31.56 | Tjowers | After reboot |
| 06:32.13 | xbow | ip a s |
| 06:32.18 | xbow | Tjowers^ |
| 06:32.36 | jmcnaught | Tjowers: where does wifi have a question mark? |
| 06:32.44 | Tjowers | The wifi interface is back up! |
| 06:32.55 | xbow | zomg |
| 06:32.56 | Tjowers | On the top right of the desktop |
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| 06:33.12 | Tjowers | But it's not discovering networks |
| 06:34.24 | Tjowers | The state is down |
| 06:35.38 | jmcnaught | Tjowers: did you edit /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 06:35.56 | Tjowers | yeah |
| 06:36.09 | Tjowers | iface wlp1s0 inet dhcp |
| 06:36.33 | jmcnaught | Tjowers: it sounds like you're using NetworkManager which by default does not manage interfaces that are defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:36.51 | Tjowers | How do I disable network manager |
| 06:37.26 | Tjowers | I wish there were a C sys lib that let you do all of this |
| 06:38.01 | Tjowers | clear |
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| 06:38.45 | themill | Tjowers: if you don't want to use network-manager, then you need to finish configuring your wireless in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 06:41.33 | Tjowers | Ok so I set the gateway address first and foremost see if that fixes it |
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| 06:43.32 | Tjowers | On my router page it says the machine wifi status is pending |
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| 06:48.13 | Tjowers | Ok added gateway then ifdown wlp1s0 then ifup wlp1s0 |
| 06:48.58 | Tjowers | I got a bunch of DHCPDISCOVER on wlp1s0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval x |
| 06:49.07 | Tjowers | It kept resending broadcast I think |
| 06:49.34 | Tjowers | But ended with "no DHCPOFFERS received " |
| 06:49.44 | Tjowers | So maybe change the broadcast address? |
| 06:50.38 | Tjowers | Actually should be fine right |
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| 06:51.21 | Tjowers | I'll change the gateway to the "Gateway IPv4 address" which sounds more likely than the "local network IP address" |
| 06:51.54 | jmcnaught | Tjowers: do you need to configure WPA2? |
| 06:52.42 | Tjowers | It's WPA |
| 06:52.51 | Tjowers | Which might be short for wpa2 |
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| 07:00.13 | at0m | Tjowers: usually isn't. WPA is quite different from WPA2 |
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| 07:01.09 | Tjowers | Can't reach the dhcp server, I tried a different gateway address, didn't work |
| 07:01.20 | Tjowers | at0m it says wpa |
| 07:01.30 | at0m | then its wpa |
| 07:01.48 | Tjowers | It didn't err with "Failed to authenticate" it failed with "no offers" |
| 07:02.15 | at0m | ,v libdvdcss2 |
| 07:02.16 | judd | Package: libdvdcss2 on amd64 -- stretch-multimedia: 1.4.0-dmo1; bullseye-multimedia: 1.4.2-dmo1; buster-multimedia: 1.4.2-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1.4.2-dmo1 |
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| 07:02.27 | Tjowers | I'm tempted to read from a socket on the gateway address on port 67 and see if I'm getting packets |
| 07:02.46 | Tjowers | Well client initiates I'll just google it |
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| 07:03.09 | themill | at0m: libdvd-pkg is a better option |
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| 07:04.24 | Tjowers | It's UDP on port 67 |
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| 07:05.00 | at0m | themill: thanks |
| 07:05.03 | at0m | themill: does the same protected DVD reading? |
| 07:05.20 | themill | it gives you exactly the same library but without going to deb-multimedia.org |
| 07:05.29 | at0m | ah cool |
| 07:05.40 | at0m | confusing tho |
| 07:05.52 | at0m | jelly: ^ |
| 07:06.08 | themill | deb-multimedia.org should just go away, that would solve much confusion... |
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| 07:07.40 | at0m | themill: for the -multimedia repo, i guess i should just add that to sources.list like the regular repo? |
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| 07:07.59 | themill | no, you should avoid it |
| 07:08.32 | at0m | E: The repository 'http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian buster-multimedia Release' does not have a Release file. |
| 07:08.36 | at0m | ok guess that explains |
| 07:08.39 | themill | libdvd-pkg is in Debian. (well, it's in contrib) |
| 07:08.45 | at0m | oki |
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| 07:09.02 | themill | at0m: what judd calls "buster-multimedia" is deb-multimedia.org |
| 07:10.04 | at0m | more confuze :s |
| 07:10.17 | at0m | thanks for pointing it out tho |
| 07:10.49 | themill | at0m: dpkg knows what judd's repos are (they need to be single words within the database); /msg dpkg buster-multimedia |
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| 07:11.06 | themill | I've been thinking judd should hide away 3rd party repos, really |
| 07:11.27 | annadane | wasn't there a legitimate "multimedia" thing at some point? not deb-multimedia |
| 07:11.29 | at0m | themill: right. since dmo isn't supported here, that would be appropriate |
| 07:11.37 | annadane | i thought there were 2 |
| 07:11.47 | themill | annadane: there was a legitimate need for it about 15 years ago |
| 07:12.02 | annadane | yeah but not dmo, i mean something else |
| 07:12.11 | annadane | i'd thought there was a separate one people recommended... maybe not |
| 07:12.14 | themill | judd exposes deb-multimedia because knowing about it is needed to debug the problems it causes |
| 07:12.30 | themill | annadane: it's called "debian" ;) |
| 07:12.52 | annadane | REAL computer users use kali... |
| 07:13.03 | at0m | fwiw, i got kxstudio repo's added, too, but falktx provides a whole lot of packages that won't make it to debian (license issues? idk) |
| 07:13.06 | mathisen | annadane, nope |
| 07:13.10 | at0m | slaps annadane with a big large trout |
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| 07:21.23 | annadane | i want to ask a question which is more cohesive than "I DON'T UNDERSTAND XEV PLEASE HELP" to try to understand setting i3 keybindings... |
| 07:21.39 | annadane | i swear i've checked documentation and it's still black magic, still, better to figure it out myself |
| 07:22.19 | Mathisen | annadane, what is your i3 config does not work for you ? |
| 07:22.23 | Mathisen | in* |
| 07:22.48 | annadane | i just want something else i can use on the right side of my keyboard, the windows key to the left is really clunky |
| 07:22.59 | annadane | ideally i'd have something for both sides |
| 07:23.11 | Mathisen | that does not answer the question |
| 07:23.45 | annadane | my "i3 config" is fine i just don't know how to map certain keys to the i3 config |
| 07:24.51 | ratrace | annadane: like which one |
| 07:25.18 | annadane | i guess probably the Fn key |
| 07:25.33 | annadane | like, the windows key is "mod 4" but that doesn't show up as such in xev when i press it |
| 07:25.43 | annadane | i know roughly how you figure this out, it's just a headache |
| 07:25.52 | annadane | i can probably consult arch's wiki |
| 07:26.15 | ratrace | does fn even return any events? |
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| 07:26.57 | sach | I was so excited for secure boot support only to realise I am on an ancient laptop that doesn't support it |
| 07:27.05 | annadane | state 0x10, keycode 135 (keysym 0xff67, Menu), same_screen YES, |
| 07:27.59 | ratrace | annadane: so you can use xmodmap to name the fn key Mod 6 for example |
| 07:28.20 | annadane | can i? okay |
| 07:28.21 | ratrace | or see if it's already mapped |
| 07:29.11 | themill | has never seen Fn fire any kb events itself |
| 07:29.13 | annadane | thanks for the pointers, time for me to research stuff |
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| 07:29.57 | annadane | i3 is "keyboard focused" but only immediately gives me access to one button on the left side of the keyboard, leading to worse carpel tunnel than emacs |
| 07:30.31 | ratrace | annadane: i use i3-wm too |
| 07:31.19 | at0m | yea haven't seen Fn send events either, it's not like shift/alt/ctrl/win key |
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| 07:31.37 | annadane | well i'm not mapping anything to control or alt |
| 07:31.43 | annadane | that gets in the way of EVERYTHING else |
| 07:31.52 | ratrace | i use windows key |
| 07:32.04 | annadane | yes which i *only* have on the left side of the keyboard |
| 07:32.41 | at0m | guess Fn is hardwired in the keyboard hw to have certain marked keys send different events. ie. you can't just go combine Fn with random keys like you do with the other modifiers |
| 07:32.43 | ratrace | annadane: get yerself logiteck k120. it has one on both sides, and it's an awesome kb among the cheap ones |
| 07:32.51 | annadane | this is kinda why i stopped using i3 in favor of xfce |
| 07:32.53 | ratrace | %s/logiteck/logitech/ |
| 07:33.13 | sach | I used i3 for a while only to realise I could use anything else in fullscreen and tmux |
| 07:33.39 | ratrace | tmux sux when you need to copypasta text and you have vertically split panes |
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| 07:33.59 | sach | Shift+Alt friendo |
| 07:34.08 | ratrace | lemmesee |
| 07:34.43 | sach | waits for mindblown.jpg |
| 07:35.01 | ratrace | mindblown.jpg |
| 07:35.08 | sach | :) |
| 07:35.21 | ratrace | thanks for that. i officially withdraw my only tmux sux complaint |
| 07:35.35 | sach | We all learn something new every day! |
| 07:36.18 | annadane | hmm now i'm not getting Fn messages |
| 07:36.21 | annadane | was it all a dream? |
| 07:36.40 | ratrace | could've been. methinks fn is just local circuit on the keyboard to produce additional scancodes |
| 07:36.46 | annadane | oh lol. |
| 07:37.04 | annadane | yeah ok Fn doesn't do anything, the "menu" key thing does |
| 07:37.15 | annadane | i don't use that key anyway, so... |
| 07:37.24 | ratrace | sounds perfect :) |
| 07:37.29 | annadane | if i can map that i'll be tiling myself to happiness |
| 07:37.40 | sach | Fn is generally the WakeUp or something code, it can be mapped |
| 07:37.58 | sach | Use xev to find the key code |
| 07:38.21 | annadane | "man xmodma- ugggggh it's too late to read man pages" |
| 07:38.29 | at0m | sach: no key event for Fn here |
| 07:38.31 | ratrace | sachctl -u annadane.nick --since '5 minutes ago' |
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| 07:38.51 | sach | Potential gotcha though, on my laptop it's the same key as the power button |
| 07:39.01 | sach | Damn, that sucks at0m |
| 07:39.25 | at0m | sach: ah. no other Fn key i seen does that though. |
| 07:39.32 | sach | Mine's mapped to XF86WakeUp |
| 07:39.39 | at0m | right |
| 07:39.40 | ratrace | you lot with your fancy lap tops, i don't even have a fn key |
| 07:39.59 | at0m | doesnt laptop |
| 07:40.08 | sach | What laptop is this ratrace? |
| 07:40.19 | annadane | i like how i said "fn key" and got it wrong and didn't even press that key to get the message in the first place... |
| 07:40.33 | ratrace | it's a desk top.... or... under desk more precisely, built it meself |
| 07:40.33 | annadane | i'm blind |
| 07:41.09 | sach | Ah, I haven't used a desktop in a decade ratrace! Laptops and servers |
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| 07:41.54 | ratrace | i can't stand those miniscule screens on laptops. i got me a nice 35" aoc curved screenie, and i'll get me another one after i finish upgrading to ryzen2 |
| 07:42.20 | ratrace | of course i need it for gaming besides work, but still i just can't stand lappys |
| 07:42.25 | sach | I love me some tiny ass laptops |
| 07:42.42 | annadane | https://www.xkcd.com/37/ |
| 07:43.12 | at0m | i love how we can all just use what we like ;p |
| 07:43.17 | ratrace | but there's no hypen, maybe sach meant asslaptop =) |
| 07:43.27 | sach | lol |
| 07:44.15 | at0m | (on another note, damn new puters get worse and worse for realtime work. should research how that TB over USB-C gets DMA, if any) |
| 07:44.30 | ratrace | aoc screen with #aoc on the wallpaper; was tempted, she's cute; but nah, too much poli-ticks; i hate ticks. |
| 07:44.39 | sach | I've got a ThinkPad X220 and a MacBook Air. Perfect size. Only wish I had the ability to do those fancy 1080p mods on the X220 |
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| 07:45.15 | sach | at0m: most DMA attacks have mitigations |
| 07:45.54 | sach | I do have a Dell 2K screen that I use if I am doing actual work or something that needs more estate |
| 07:45.54 | at0m | sach: i don't worry about DMA attacks. RT operation /requires/ DMA, and my music workstation doesn't interwebs. |
| 07:46.42 | at0m | sach: been getting increasingly frustrated over the "move-everything-to-usb" lately |
| 07:46.47 | sach | Ah, well DMA attacks need physical access anyway, so you're all good! |
| 07:47.01 | at0m | yea |
| 07:47.22 | ratrace | at0m: do you not like the fact that everything will need just one damn cable? i hate when i don't have specific cables available |
| 07:47.24 | at0m | all USB is CPU/driver dependent, screws up realtime operations |
| 07:48.03 | at0m | ratrace: i prefer PCI/PCIe/1394/TB/.. anytime over usb |
| 07:48.14 | ratrace | do you even need rt for a music workstation these days |
| 07:48.18 | sach | I am a pen-tester with little to no special needs. Everything on a common platform is good to me (or I suppose general consumers) |
| 07:48.59 | sach | If that's ThunderBolt or w/e, I don't really care, as long as everyone/everything adopts it |
| 07:49.25 | sach | USB C/TB is nice in that way |
| 07:49.58 | at0m | ratrace: not just for music production. also VR/AR,.. https://danluu.com/input-lag/ shows how computers do not get any better latency over the last 40years |
| 07:50.39 | at0m | sach: like standards? lol https://people.kernel.org/bleung/how-many-kinds-of-usb-c-to-usb-c-cables-are-there |
| 07:51.28 | sach | I know I know, I read that as well, but that just reinforces my point :P |
| 07:51.40 | sach | Use one thing god damnit |
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| 07:51.50 | sach | yells at cloud |
| 07:52.06 | annadane | why yell at cloud providers? |
| 07:52.14 | at0m | s/cloud/clown |
| 07:52.41 | sach | https://i.imgur.com/91sn32Q.jpg |
| 07:52.55 | annadane | yes i know, i was trying to be funny |
| 07:52.59 | ratrace | at0m: i don't know, i used to have a music workstation when i was in the audio business 15 years ago, it worked just fine on a 900MHz celeron and windows xp. |
| 07:53.21 | at0m | ratrace: yea my DAW is (back to) XP |
| 07:53.30 | at0m | none since gotten faster |
| 07:53.49 | ratrace | that table you pasted is something else, can't compare input latency to latencies in audio, and besides few ms, or even few tens of ms, ain't bad |
| 07:54.15 | at0m | ratrace: using DSP on PCI(e) for realtime operations. cos not dependent on the host machine. try drumming 32th's with some latency, however small. or monitor your recording singing with latency in the headphones. guess you know since you were in audio business |
| 07:55.09 | JyZyXEL | tens of milliseconds gets bad fast when you are playing a keyboard in realtime |
| 07:55.28 | ratrace | oh yeah but i also had external equipment, monitoring went through that, recording always without effects which were applied later |
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| 07:55.39 | at0m | ok that brings back to the original point, DMA and "time waits for nothing" http://www.rossbencina.com/code/real-time-audio-programming-101-time-waits-for-nothing |
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| 07:55.59 | at0m | ratrace: yea that's another workaround |
| 07:56.44 | ratrace | had m-audio sound "card" which also did midi interfacing. i dont' recally any issues even when i used a vista laptop |
| 07:56.58 | ratrace | latency issues is what i mean |
| 07:57.02 | at0m | sure, if it has hw monitoring |
| 07:57.20 | at0m | but no reverb or chorus on the monitor |
| 07:57.24 | at0m | now with all my ranting on RT audio.. /me goes do some |
| 07:57.35 | ratrace | no, midi keyboard for a software sampler; Native Instruments software |
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| 07:59.03 | ratrace | at0m: right, no reverb or chorus during recording, i can imagine how that adds latency, mostly due to processing required |
| 07:59.42 | at0m | right. except like on real hw here, or like on these DSP (which is hw, just hosted in and controlled by pc) |
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| 08:00.20 | at0m | ok music time. enjoy your sundays =) |
| 08:00.20 | ratrace | at0m: maybe you just need a nice ryzen with lots of pci lanes and a threadrippy to process all the effects in parallel :) |
| 08:00.33 | at0m | doesn't help. |
| 08:01.03 | at0m | laters =) |
| 08:01.08 | ratrace | o/ |
| 08:02.05 | annadane | i think we need caveman versions of manpages |
| 08:02.15 | annadane | i'm just reading this and my reptile brain doesn't understand |
| 08:02.29 | annadane | what i want is "press key urg number ook map" |
| 08:02.52 | annadane | like simple wikipedia but dumber |
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| 08:11.41 | ratrace | annadane: whatcha readin', xmodmap manual? |
| 08:11.56 | annadane | yes'm |
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| 08:13.15 | annadane | it's fine, it's nothing i can't figure out |
| 08:13.23 | annadane | just that it's 4 am and i'm not really in the mood |
| 08:14.13 | ratrace | that's the curse of the 4am |
| 08:14.43 | Gerowen | I know the feeling, I'm about to rack out, just finished re-writing the documentation for my home server after redistributing a few services to other devices, upgrading to Debian 10, etc. |
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| 08:20.47 | nevyn | music whee.. |
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| 08:54.47 | epony | typicall upgrade usually succeeds https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/success.png |
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| 08:55.33 | themill | Sounds quite like conversations with mrs themill about upgrading her laptop.... |
| 08:56.06 | epony | :-) don't you dare touch a working computer |
| 08:56.25 | SwedeMike | I make block level backup of the OS drive before doing something like that |
| 08:56.37 | ratrace | fancy |
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| 08:56.51 | epony | ha-ha ha. |
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| 09:03.16 | epony | Recompile in place, or on the more evolved of the two major systems, reinstall in place (frequently) has worked with the BSDs much much better than any of the clean reinstall and/or upgrade in place options of the major Linux system distributions. I hear Debian is better than the others in this regard.. |
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| 09:10.57 | nevyn | has ignored his sid system for a few years... it's being... difficult but I get both pieces. |
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| 09:13.03 | epony | The only problem I've seen so far over the years is.. partitions getting too small. |
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| 09:18.41 | trek00 | epony: I stopped to do upgrades years ago, to avoid some upgrade problems and for security over all: a clean install prevents some leftover, like backdoors or similar |
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| 09:24.17 | ratrace | what backdoors |
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| 09:25.18 | trek00 | ratrace: imagine your server begin hacked and someone put a small suid to get root again even if the vulnerabilities are fixed |
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| 09:25.44 | trek00 | ratrace: or you can inadvertently download a malware |
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| 09:30.35 | epony | trek00 maybe rename that server host to kiosk :-) |
| 09:30.51 | trek00 | :D |
| 09:30.52 | techie28 | This happens when connecting an android phone via USB |
| 09:31.13 | techie28 | Debian 10 Buster I am using |
| 09:31.14 | techie28 | https://paste.debian.net/1092512/ |
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| 09:33.51 | enri | hello |
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| 09:34.45 | trek00 | techie28: I can't help you, but installing debug packages could make this trace better, revealing the function names actually masked with ?? () |
| 09:35.08 | techie28 | okay |
| 09:35.20 | techie28 | what package would you suggest please? |
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| 09:35.31 | ratrace | trek00: well, i agree with you in principle, but if i did that, that'd be me admitting failure to secure and even more importantly detect intrusions on my machines; which means even if i reinstalled, i'd just get pwnd again because i'm oblivious to the intrusion |
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| 09:36.42 | trek00 | techie28: first some documentation for you https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace#Installing_the_debugging_symbols |
| 09:37.38 | trek00 | techie28: you need to add a repository to get debug packages, then I see libusb, libglib as good candidates to install |
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| 09:37.58 | techie28 | okay thanks |
| 09:38.00 | epony | trek00 on my BSD systems, I re-install in place weekly the newest snapshot and upgrade all the packages with one reboot (automatically), then there is a tool to compare the system to the expected installation mtree and you can scratch clean the system (as per your preference).. |
| 09:38.05 | trek00 | ratrace: yes this is only a last-measure, you need to know if you are pwnd at first :) |
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| 09:38.59 | ratrace | epony: the same is doable on debian too |
| 09:39.03 | trek00 | techie28: if you check every line with a ??() you get the library name that doesn't have debug symbols installed |
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| 09:39.34 | techie28 | Prior to the Buster update I was able to attach random Android phones to the system for accesing their internal storage & SD card. I was able to do that effortlessly using the file manager |
| 09:40.14 | techie28 | but since updating to Buster it is not the same & often is showing USB errors & sort of things like that |
| 09:40.40 | trek00 | techie28: this is a good starting point, if you want to fill a bug report, actually something is crashing (segmentation fault) so it should be a bug |
| 09:40.54 | techie28 | yes okay. :) |
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| 09:41.29 | techie28 | Actually I dont remember if I did some mount related changes or something before or not |
| 09:41.36 | trek00 | techie28: may be the new version of libusb is causing it to crash |
| 09:43.15 | ratrace | techie28: via gnome+gvfs+mtp ? |
| 09:43.25 | trek00 | techie28: even if you done something uncommon, it should not crash |
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| 09:44.14 | techie28 | Ill gather more info on it |
| 09:44.18 | techie28 | thanks |
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| 09:44.54 | trek00 | ratrace: it seems to me he is using kde+kio+mtp |
| 09:45.05 | ratrace | yes i just saw the paste |
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| 09:46.03 | techie28 | ratrace, im having KDE & phone is via MTP. |
| 09:46.45 | techie28 | one external HDD that I often use is not affected at all & could still easily be accesed. read/written without problem |
| 09:46.49 | techie28 | or permission issue |
| 09:47.21 | trek00 | techie28: external hdd usually doesn't use mtp |
| 09:47.31 | techie28 | okay maybe thats why |
| 09:47.31 | trek00 | so may be mtp is the problem here |
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| 09:49.01 | ratrace | techie28: if all fails you can use jmtpfs which is a fuse based mtp thingy; but it mounts so the files are browsable via file manager |
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| 09:49.23 | techie28 | hmm possibly.. whenever phone is connected DEVICE NOTIFIER shows 2 options, both are "OPEN WITH FILEMANAGER".. 1st one open it with "CAMERA:/...." while second one shows "MTP:..." which shows 1st option has "INTERNAL STORAGE" |
| 09:49.39 | Nozzzle | hello, can I just upgrade from debian 9.8. to 10? |
| 09:50.18 | guanche | hi, has anybody had success installing virtualbox? with either stretch's stock or 6.0 I get "vboxdrv: disagrees about version of symbol cpu_tlbstate" |
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| 09:50.44 | jezebel | yes, but whether or not is something you decide, remember to read package change notes to avoid surprises |
| 09:53.44 | ratrace | Nozzzle: of course, be sure to read :: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 09:53.58 | trek00 | techie28: sorry, I'm not familiar with android, but you can try installing go-mtpfs and mount it via command line https://askubuntu.com/questions/342319/where-are-mtp-mounted-devices-located-in-the-filesystem/719941#719941 |
| 09:54.23 | trek00 | techie28: this way you can check if it's a problem at system level or with kde |
| 09:54.31 | Nozzzle | oh, thank you ratrace, jezebel..I see, and is debian 10 really ready, or should I expect some things yet to be fixed? |
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| 09:55.45 | trek00 | Nozzzle: I'm using it since months without pain :) |
| 09:56.02 | Nozzzle | ratrace, this reading informs about server upgrade, if I am not wrong? |
| 09:56.27 | ratrace | Nozzzle: you're wrong |
| 09:56.37 | Nozzzle | oh, has it been that long since 10 came out, trek00? |
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| 09:57.36 | trek00 | Nozzzle: not, but it is not changed too much in the last months before releasing |
| 09:58.24 | Nozzzle | ratrace, ok..to me reinstalling debian seems less complicated, then |
| 09:58.42 | Nozzzle | trek00, ah, right |
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| 09:59.05 | Nozzzle | or keeping 9.8. |
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| 09:59.40 | trek00 | Nozzzle: it's a list of best practices to do before any upgrade |
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| 10:02.47 | Nozzzle | trek00, I understand |
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| 10:03.17 | ppc64 | and now for something silly .. sort of ... is there a Debian way to install the Steam games launcher? I thought there was steam:i386 however not sure how you put that on an x86_64 boxen |
| 10:03.39 | Nozzzle | thank you all for your help! |
| 10:04.37 | ratrace | ppc64: dpkg --add-architecture i386 ; apt update ; apt install steam |
| 10:04.49 | ppc64 | ah yes --add-architecture i386 |
| 10:04.57 | ppc64 | that baffles me everytime |
| 10:05.00 | trek00 | why steam is 32 bit only? |
| 10:05.01 | ppc64 | thanks |
| 10:05.12 | ratrace | trek00: because it wants to support older 32-bit only games |
| 10:05.28 | ratrace | it's not "only" 32-bit, it's actually multilib |
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| 10:05.54 | ppc64 | ratrace: I just did a full system re-install as a downgrade from sid as I hit the edge of some bleeding edge stuff and with an nvidia config issue .. whammo .. my machine was boxed badly .. nothing but a blank screen |
| 10:06.12 | ppc64 | so I said .. oh well .. re-install and use 'stable' which "just works(tm)" |
| 10:06.20 | ratrace | yup |
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| 10:06.32 | ratrace | sid's for "oh i know how to fix this" types |
| 10:06.55 | ppc64 | ratrace: generally I do |
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| 10:08.18 | BCMM | ppc64: multilib is the answer. steam is 32-bit only, but debian can run 32-bit applications |
| 10:08.53 | trek00 | ratrace: it sounds strange to me, but may be they don't bother to have a 64 bit version of their launcher |
| 10:08.53 | BCMM | (this isn't so much a deficiency in the steam client as a product of needing to run mostly 32-bit games) |
| 10:09.34 | ppc64 | while in sid I had to edit /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf and set options nvidia NVreg_RestrictProfilingToAdminUsers=0 because nvprof won't work anymore ever since CVE-2018-6260 and well everythng went to hell on a reboot |
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| 10:12.28 | ppc64 | for anyone curious the pkg install process has a big warning/info box that says https://pastebin.com/raw/her1tEcn "Steam is a 32-bit program" |
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| 10:13.55 | trek00 | ppc64: this is a little odd, requiring a 32 bit launcher even if all games could be 64-bit :) |
| 10:14.30 | ppc64 | even work after install the steam app fails ... message say missing libGL.so.1 |
| 10:14.38 | ppc64 | even worse |
| 10:14.50 | ratrace | that's a question for valve; and also note they're still using the same old ubuntu 12 runtime; but it doesn't matter if steam client itself is 32-bit or not; even if it was 64 bit it'd still need 32-bit support for the ton of still-32-bit games |
| 10:14.50 | trek00 | ppc64: have you installed the 32 bit nvidia driver? |
| 10:15.14 | ppc64 | er .. I figured that would be a dependecy and dragging in duing install |
| 10:15.28 | ppc64 | let me see what dpk-query -l says |
| 10:16.11 | ppc64 | nope |
| 10:16.17 | ppc64 | that doesn't get installed |
| 10:16.20 | ppc64 | lovely |
| 10:16.57 | trek00 | ratrace: I understand, I have installed 32-bit only wine for old games, but what if someone wants only a 64-bit game? :) anyway I love valve for its commitment to the linux graphics stack |
| 10:17.01 | ratrace | it's not a dependency because it would then install on non-nvidia systems as well |
| 10:17.10 | ppc64 | ratrace: makes sense |
| 10:17.26 | ppc64 | really .. I just need a top notch AMD Radeon card and this is a non-issue |
| 10:17.36 | ppc64 | damn NVidia are miserable about open source |
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| 10:18.06 | ppc64 | however I need support for CUDA dev work and strangely bizarrly obscenely you can not mix AMD Radeon and NVidia hardware |
| 10:18.09 | ppc64 | no idea why |
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| 10:19.20 | ratrace | ppc64: why not? |
| 10:19.26 | ppc64 | ratrace: dunno |
| 10:19.37 | ratrace | i mean what happens, what's the error |
| 10:20.09 | ppc64 | I had both a RX580 card and NVidia quadro card and you can install them both on the board just fine but you can not have modules loaded for nvidia with the amd radeon in place |
| 10:20.26 | ratrace | oh |
| 10:20.36 | ppc64 | that was last year ... I tried .. I really did |
| 10:20.45 | ppc64 | I am a fan of the radeon gear |
| 10:21.03 | ppc64 | oh heck ... what is this again ??? Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8107e-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 10:21.11 | trek00 | ppc64: may be another type of vendor lock in |
| 10:21.17 | ppc64 | sorry for all the questions .. fresh install trying to get off the ground here |
| 10:21.20 | ratrace | ppc64: install firmware-realtek |
| 10:21.42 | ppc64 | realtek .. wonder why I need that |
| 10:21.53 | ratrace | because r8169 wants firmwarez |
| 10:21.54 | ppc64 | oh |
| 10:21.55 | trek00 | ppc64: integrated ethernet? :) |
| 10:21.59 | ppc64 | lspci tells me Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 |
| 10:22.05 | ratrace | oh also, don't forget intel-microcode unless your bios is up to date |
| 10:22.09 | ppc64 | however network is working fine |
| 10:22.26 | trek00 | ppc64: may be not at full speed(?) |
| 10:22.32 | ppc64 | this is a fairly new ASUS mobo .. well .. a year old Z270-P |
| 10:22.35 | ratrace | yes, i've seen my r8169 work without the firmware but it still wants it, so i fed the thing with it, now it complains no more. |
| 10:22.43 | ppc64 | nice |
| 10:22.49 | ppc64 | gotta love debian |
| 10:23.24 | ratrace | you do. libre first is awesome; but here's non-free if you wanna shoot yourself in the leg or can't live with it ;) |
| 10:23.43 | ratrace | oh. %s/with it/without it/ |
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| 10:25.18 | ppc64 | well nvidia is a pain |
| 10:25.23 | ppc64 | cuda libs |
| 10:25.31 | ppc64 | as well as the signal processing libs |
| 10:25.36 | ppc64 | so .. gotta have it |
| 10:26.06 | ppc64 | thanks be to all involved that the days of using the upstream driver are gone ... just apt-get install nvidia-driver and whoosh |
| 10:26.24 | ratrace | ppc64: a year old means it came out along with all the meltdown and spectre nasties, so it probably doesn't contain updates unless you flashed bios |
| 10:26.43 | ppc64 | I did a bios flash about ... six months ago I think |
| 10:26.45 | trek00 | ppc64: is it hard to get rid of cuda in favor of something more open? |
| 10:26.53 | ppc64 | hell I don't want to fry my board |
| 10:27.15 | ppc64 | trek00: it is when $work$ folks are coding for it |
| 10:27.26 | ratrace | ppc64: you can check grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/* |
| 10:28.05 | trek00 | ppc64: I'm only curios about how much it is different from opencl or roc |
| 10:28.08 | ratrace | if it complains about something being vulnerable due to missing microcode |
| 10:28.56 | ppc64 | ratrace: there is a bucket of stuff there https://pastebin.com/raw/MaieEw1w |
| 10:29.12 | trek00 | ppc64: it's good to have the microcode package installed, so you will get upgrades in the future |
| 10:29.44 | ppc64 | it is at times like this I have to ask .. what fries if I add that .. pkg ?? microcode something or other you say ? |
| 10:29.56 | trek00 | ppc64: it seems you need the microcode, it disable smt as workaround |
| 10:30.12 | ratrace | ppc64: i think you need microcode updates for that spec_store_bypass |
| 10:30.16 | ppc64 | this thiung ?? microcode.ctl - Intel IA32/IA64 CPU Microcode Utility (transitional package) ?? |
| 10:30.40 | ppc64 | oh .. has to be intel-microcode |
| 10:30.47 | ratrace | yeah intel-microcode |
| 10:31.09 | ppc64 | grabs a bottle of scotch and hits # apt-get install intel-microcode |
| 10:31.25 | ppc64 | oh man ... this is a reboot for sure |
| 10:31.29 | ratrace | though uh... many will say all that is overkill for a desktop in non-critical environments. so... it's up to you if you want a slower but safer machine, or faster but unsafer |
| 10:32.00 | ppc64 | damn .. can I still run VMware Workstation however ... |
| 10:32.11 | ppc64 | I see update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.19.0-5-amd64 <-- I have to reboot |
| 10:32.20 | ratrace | personally, having seen javascript based spectre exploits in action and having important ssh keys for work on my machine, yeah no, slower but safer it is for me |
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| 10:32.38 | ppc64 | yep safe |
| 10:32.51 | ratrace | ppc64: probably, i'm not sure if microcode can be loaded at any moment, or during boot only |
| 10:32.54 | ppc64 | okay gents ... and other inet based creatures ... I have to reboot |
| 10:33.07 | ppc64 | says intel-microcode: microcode will be updated at next boot |
| 10:33.37 | ratrace | that settles it then |
| 10:33.55 | ppc64 | maybe I should shutdown .. power off .. remove the NVidia Quadro card ... hold DEL and get the ASUS BIOS config and check for updates |
| 10:34.07 | trek00 | ppc64: i remember there was a command to update firmware without reboot.. |
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| 10:34.20 | ppc64 | trek00: I have to reboot someday |
| 10:34.27 | ppc64 | I was hoping later this month |
| 10:34.27 | trek00 | right :) |
| 10:34.36 | ppc64 | may as well bite the bullet |
| 10:34.38 | ratrace | trek00: fwupd methinks |
| 10:34.57 | ppc64 | but I want a dpkg-query -l output to a file if I have to reinstall |
| 10:35.09 | ratrace | i'm old school, i lived and survived eras of high probability system bricking with bios flashing back in the early windows days |
| 10:35.37 | ratrace | meaning i'd flash me bios only as a last resort these days, intel-microcode works fine thankyouvermuch. |
| 10:35.41 | trek00 | found: echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/microcode/reload |
| 10:36.14 | ppc64 | old school ... I worked on Honeywell CP6 DPS8 mainframes and migrated over to Apollo DN3000 workstations and then SGI and Sun |
| 10:36.18 | ratrace | ppc64: there's a kernel vuln fixed anyway yesterday :) |
| 10:36.21 | ppc64 | that was .. early '80s |
| 10:36.48 | ratrace | 90s, there was no windows era in early 80s |
| 10:37.09 | ppc64 | there was Xwindows :-) okay .. if I ping back here in ... 7 minutes .. all is well. |
| 10:37.16 | ratrace | but anyway, windows 3.11, 95, xp, that era, bioses vere fragile back then |
| 10:37.32 | ppc64 | 3Com thick net cards .. yep |
| 10:37.35 | ppc64 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.40 | ppc64 | shudder |
| 10:37.42 | ratrace | 7 minutes to reboot? o.O |
| 10:37.50 | ppc64 | yeah .. 7 minutes |
| 10:38.03 | trek00 | ratrace: I know, but today I had some compatibility problems with cpus/ram sticks newer the the mother board |
| 10:38.25 | ppc64 | I need to login and then setup Xterms and my XClock and ... check network works after the firmware and then ....face east and drink scotch |
| 10:38.47 | ppc64 | okay .. ga ga gonezo here ... brb .. I hope !! |
| 10:38.50 | ratrace | that last step is important; i can relate and understand now. please proceed and don't skip it. |
| 10:39.09 | trek00 | :) |
| 10:39.10 | ppc64 | grabs Macallan .. waves bye |
| 10:39.36 | ratrace | trek00: that's different, you didn't brick it did you :) |
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| 10:40.09 | trek00 | ratrace: it seems to me there is no pain upgrading bios today |
| 10:40.53 | ratrace | trek00: yeah i keep hearing that. but the old school me is still bearing scars from the bios bricking past ;) |
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| 10:46.52 | ppc64 | ta da ! |
| 10:47.07 | ppc64 | uptime 10:46:58 up 6 min, 3 users, load average: 0.08, 0.06, 0.01 |
| 10:47.35 | ppc64 | however there is no change in grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/* |
| 10:47.48 | ratrace | ppc64: did you remember to upgrade le kernel first? |
| 10:47.56 | ppc64 | er .. ?? |
| 10:48.11 | ratrace | told you there was a vuln fix a day or so ago :) |
| 10:48.12 | ppc64 | I have 4.19.0-5-amd64 here |
| 10:48.22 | ppc64 | yeah but |
| 10:48.24 | ppc64 | but |
| 10:48.33 | ppc64 | I just did this install in the last few hours |
| 10:48.40 | ppc64 | did an apt-get update |
| 10:48.57 | ratrace | so you have linux-image-amd64-4.19+105 ? |
| 10:49.08 | ppc64 | dunno .. in /boot you mean ?? |
| 10:49.15 | ratrace | dpkg -l |
| 10:49.15 | dpkg | Files in package ratrace-pr0n: /srv/ratrace-pr0n/ratrace.jpg |
| 10:49.33 | ratrace | dpkg: you friggin scared living sht out of me, bot |
| 10:49.33 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 10:49.39 | ppc64 | let me do dpkg-query -l |
| 10:49.40 | ratrace | of course you do |
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| 10:50.19 | ratrace | ppc64: i mean it's nothign biggy, but since uptime is important for you, and you were rebooting anways, who not make sure you haz it :) |
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| 10:50.43 | ppc64 | I see linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 4.19.37-5+deb10u1 |
| 10:50.51 | ratrace | that's the ticket |
| 10:50.56 | ppc64 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.05 | ppc64 | good stuff ? |
| 10:51.13 | ratrace | sweetest stuff |
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| 10:51.24 | ppc64 | this new machine has that new machine smell still |
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| 10:51.45 | ratrace | oh i love that; and the smell of fresh opened pack of basf floppies |
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| 10:52.11 | ppc64 | ha ha ... 8 inch floppy |
| 10:52.30 | ppc64 | or reel to reel 9210bpi tape |
| 10:52.34 | ratrace | 3.5" smelled better |
| 10:52.37 | ppc64 | if my memory serves |
| 10:52.58 | ppc64 | anyways there is still a bucket of stuff in /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/* |
| 10:53.21 | ppc64 | also /proc/cpuinfo claims bugs : cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2 spec_store_bypass l1tf mds |
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| 10:53.41 | ppc64 | however I have an old old pentium machine and it says the same stuff there ... which I highly suspect |
| 10:53.53 | ratrace | ppc64: .../vulnerabilities only lists those your cpu is, on itself, vulnerable too, but it says which mitigations are applied |
| 10:54.35 | ratrace | it'll neve be empty unless intel redesigns their chips literally from an empty, fresh new CAD file |
| 10:54.49 | ppc64 | well this seems like a good system and my restore from SDLT ( yes tape ) took 3hrs |
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| 10:55.31 | ppc64 | hence the bottle of scotch |
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| 10:55.54 | ratrace | that reminds me i haven't eaten yet.... bbl |
| 10:56.32 | ppc64 | well you Sir I thank you !! |
| 10:56.41 | ppc64 | passes around cookies and beer |
| 10:59.27 | epony | ratrace floppies were difficult to find here in the ages of 8" and 5.25", the 3.5" ones became absolutely disposable plastic waste product |
| 10:59.55 | epony | so, the larger ones were considered valuable and taken good care of |
| 11:01.17 | epony | looking back, my computers lack floppies after 2001 :-) but the older systems need it for PXE boot disks |
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| 11:04.21 | epony | you can get the same precious "aroma" from the packing and device case of a plastic router box for 10x the value of the actual modem |
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| 11:06.17 | epony | old floppies (new) actually had a refined smell, compared to the modern plastics and cases of consumer electronics devices which exude toxic foul "scent" for up to 5 years at 1 meter distance |
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| 11:06.28 | epony | :-D |
| 11:08.29 | epony | In another unrelated topic, I was just thinking how I will NEVER ever buy another tape device, and will use 2.5" HDDs as tapes replacements. |
| 11:08.45 | themill | -ECHAN |
| 11:10.18 | epony | yeah, you can't fit the Linux kernel in any way on a floppy.. |
| 11:11.16 | BCMM | how long is oldstable supported for? how long can one go on using stretch for without having to take specific actions to convert it to LTS? |
| 11:11.37 | koollman | BCMM: typical duration is one year after stable release, iirc |
| 11:11.41 | BCMM | (wondering whether to upgrade a parent's machine remotely or wait until i visit) |
| 11:11.48 | nkuttler | !oldstable |
| 11:11.48 | dpkg | OldStable the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is still supported by the security team. Debian 9 "Stretch" is oldstable. It is recommended to upgrade your system(s) to the current stable release, ask me about <oldstable->stable>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable or see <lifespan> <stretch-lts>. |
| 11:12.03 | nkuttler | i don't think there's a guarantee for 1yr |
| 11:12.21 | koollman | "The security team tries to support a stable distribution for about one year after the next stable distribution has been released" |
| 11:12.34 | koollman | no guarantee, but there's an effort :) |
| 11:12.50 | nkuttler | an intention at least ;) |
| 11:12.52 | BCMM | nice. is that support through the same old repos it was using when it was stable, or is that for people who have actually converted to lts properly? |
| 11:13.12 | nkuttler | BCMM: same repo |
| 11:13.29 | BCMM | great. i'll definitely get a chance to sort it out locally well before a year |
| 11:13.34 | BCMM | thanks! |
| 11:14.54 | BCMM | koollman: (and yes, the current discussion on ##linux reminded me to ask!) |
| 11:15.13 | koollman | :) |
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| 11:28.28 | velix | Can I upgrade Jessie to a clean (!) Buster the remote way? |
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| 11:29.10 | velix | I think, I need to create a new partition, throw the ISO and grub in there and hope that it'll boot :9 |
| 11:29.15 | velix | challenge accepted. |
| 11:29.22 | themill | you need to upgrade to stretch in between |
| 11:29.38 | velix | themill: But I want to get rid of all the packages :D |
| 11:29.58 | themill | whatever that means |
| 11:29.58 | koollman | is it an upgrade or a reinstall, then ? :) |
| 11:30.08 | velix | koollman: actually a reinstall... |
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| 11:30.28 | themill | If you want to reinstall, why are you asking about upgrades? |
| 11:30.40 | velix | themill: rmdir /S /Q C:\Windows \r\n format C:\ /Q /U |
| 11:30.55 | velix | oh dorry, it was "deltree" :-) |
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| 11:31.07 | velix | koollman: Let me google if there is any sane way to do a reinstall. |
| 11:32.01 | trek00 | velix: you can debootstrap on a new disk |
| 11:32.05 | koollman | velix: there are various ways to do the install remotely. it may be easier to do an upgrade, but basically it is usually : set up some space, either run the installer or debootstrap, change boot configuration to use your newly installed debian, pray, reboot :) |
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| 11:32.33 | velix | okay... let me try this on a VM first... otherwise I have to write a ticket :D |
| 11:32.33 | themill | velix: it would be a lot easier to answer your questions if you asked them |
| 11:33.04 | velix | themill: I did. I wanted to upgrade from Jessie to a clean Buster. |
| 11:34.14 | themill | No, you're now adding in a pile of extra requirements and ignoring everything that others suggest |
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| 11:35.16 | trek00 | velix: debootstrap seems to me the simpler answer, it depends if you have a remote console or not (ssh) |
| 11:35.50 | velix | trek00: no remote console by VNC, only SSH. On other VPS, I've got VNC access, so I can do anything. |
| 11:36.05 | koollman | velix: no option to reset and reinstall from your hosting provider? |
| 11:36.05 | velix | trek00: Okay, I'll try it with debootstrap. Thanks a lot. |
| 11:36.12 | trek00 | well if you have only ssh you need to use the actual system as a console |
| 11:36.34 | velix | koollman: About all the technicals have quit their job... university IT. much trouble. |
| 11:36.40 | velix | technicans* |
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| 11:38.41 | Unit193 | Technically with a little shuffle and no screwups, you *can* do it with just normal ssh depending, but I wouldn't recommend it. |
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| 11:43.20 | trek00 | velix: if you never used debootstrap, pay attention that it installs only the base system (no kernel, no grub etc) and take special care to the grub/efi installation as it can lock your system |
| 11:43.40 | koollman | yeah. try it on some system you can repair first :) |
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| 11:46.02 | velix | trek00: I used it a lot for chroots. |
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| 11:46.09 | velix | I think, grub is the main problem |
| 11:46.30 | velix | trek00: but I'll try it in VirtualBox first. |
| 11:46.51 | velix | trek00: Did you watch the new "StarTrek: Picard" trailer or ... are you on another trek? |
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| 11:47.37 | trek00 | velix: if you have uefi, efibootmgr -v is a friend and not, I'm another trek :) |
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| 11:47.50 | velix | trek00: no uefi ... I'm a lucky giy |
| 11:47.51 | velix | guy* |
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| 11:49.19 | epony | s/Picard/PCI card/ |
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| 11:49.38 | kreyren | o.o |
| 11:49.42 | trek00 | :D |
| 11:50.31 | epony | what, looked like a dmesg line |
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| 12:24.55 | dccurvers_ | STEVE FAFAL DONOR |
| 12:25.14 | dccurvers_ | STEVE AND FAFAL AND DONOR |
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| 12:25.41 | dccurvers_ | FENILFENIDAAD |
| 12:25.56 | dccurvers_ | PERVENTINE |
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| 12:27.05 | xbow | any opers her? |
| 12:27.07 | xbow | here |
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| 12:37.51 | Klaus_Dieter | hello world |
| 12:38.04 | brenlae | i have noticed an error when initramfs is updated that it complains vega20 firmware is possibly missing, when i have a radeon r5, which is not vega20 |
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| 12:38.42 | brenlae | running debian buster |
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| 13:14.59 | isr60 | Hi, does anybody know how to fix cannot process volume group debian-vg error? |
| 13:16.26 | nevyn | fix your lvm? I just spent a bit of time getting really familiar with lvm again.. I messed it up pretty spectacularly |
| 13:16.53 | nevyn | boot off lvm works fine root on nexted lvm not so much |
| 13:16.57 | nevyn | nested |
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| 13:18.36 | dreamer | dccurvers_: moet dat nou? |
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| 13:22.52 | mitsuhiko | does anyone know who would be the best person/mailinglist to approach for feature requests with regards to the debian package infrastructure? |
| 13:23.50 | azeem | mitsuhiko: "debian package infrastructure" can be lots of things, can you be more specific? |
| 13:24.42 | mitsuhiko | azeem: specifically i'm looking at the feasibility of debian hosting a build id -> debug + binary package index on debug.mirrors.debian.org |
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| 13:24.54 | mitsuhiko | or for packages.debian.org to provide such a facility |
| 13:25.28 | mitsuhiko | build ids are already carried as part of the Packages file which is great, but it still requires crawling and building a better index nightly |
| 13:25.48 | azeem | probably best to reask that question in #debian-devel |
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| 13:29.18 | mitsuhiko | how does one get invited to that channel? |
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| 13:32.07 | ayekat | !debian-devel |
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| 13:33.46 | mitsuhiko | attempting to join the channel gives me "#debian-devel: Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited" |
| 13:34.18 | ayekat | most debian channels are on oftc, not freenode |
| 13:34.46 | mitsuhiko | that makes sense. thanks |
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| 13:37.24 | tgunr | I'm trying to do some work on another boot drive mounted at /rpool. After binding the usual I exec `chroot /rpool /bin/bash --login' and when I try `mount' there is no mount for / |
| 13:37.55 | tgunr | then update-grub will not work. Am I missing something? |
| 13:38.55 | azeem | mitsuhiko: sorry, I didn't realize this wasn't OFTC |
| 13:39.34 | tgunr | if I use schroot then I see / mounted but it is set to my current boot drive. I need it set to the /rpool |
| 13:39.36 | mitsuhiko | no worries, found the channel |
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| 13:42.12 | azeem | tgunr: probably you need a bind mount? |
| 13:42.36 | azeem | mitsuhiko: the channel is not active at all times, so it can take some time (maybe even hours) till somebody replies |
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| 13:43.53 | tgunr | hmm, how would I do that? /rpool is already mounted with an altroot=/rpool |
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| 13:49.55 | trek00 | tgunr: a bind mound duplicates one directory tree to another mountpoint |
| 13:50.23 | trek00 | tgunr: mount --bind olddir newdir |
| 13:51.16 | tgunr | yes, but if /rpool is my new root, why does mount not show / ? |
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| 13:52.17 | tgunr | somehow `mount --bind / /rpool' seems wrong |
| 13:52.54 | trek00 | tgunr: sorry I haven't read since start, may be mount does not show anything because /proc is not mounted inside the chroot? |
| 13:55.03 | tgunr | checking, thought i did |
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| 13:56.33 | tgunr | yep, history shows mount --rbind /proc proc |
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| 13:57.20 | ayekat | outside the chroot, what does `findmnt` give you? i.e. which paths are all mounted inside /rpool? |
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| 13:58.01 | ratrace | tgunr: is that zfs? |
| 13:58.05 | tgunr | yes |
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| 13:59.07 | tgunr | didn't know about findmnt, that looks interesting, reading up |
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| 14:00.52 | ratrace | tgunr: i think the problem with zfs is that you'd need legacy mounts for mount to work as expected |
| 14:01.01 | ratrace | using altroot is not legacy |
| 14:01.04 | tgunr | ok, what I need is rpool/ROOT/debian bound |
| 14:01.30 | tgunr | yes, ok beginning to understand |
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| 14:01.44 | ratrace | why are you even bind mounting? |
| 14:01.59 | tgunr | trying to fix its grub |
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| 14:02.17 | ratrace | tgunr: and i'll just repeat my question :) |
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| 14:03.04 | tgunr | i didnât know there was another way other than chroot |
| 14:03.35 | ratrace | but why bind, what exactly are you doing |
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| 14:03.58 | tgunr | I need to. update-grub with rpool |
| 14:03.59 | trek00 | tgunr: chroot acts on any directory, it not needs to be a mountpoint |
| 14:04.20 | ratrace | tgunr: you don't need bind mount for that |
| 14:04.35 | ratrace | so you don't have separate /boot/ ? |
| 14:04.46 | tgunr | no |
| 14:05.12 | ratrace | iirc grub support for zfs is rather... flimsy, i prefer to separate /boot |
| 14:05.58 | tgunr | I canât do that without destroying the pool and creating a boot partition |
| 14:06.04 | ratrace | anyway when you: zpool import -R /mnt rpool ; does it not mount rpool/ROOT/debian to /mnt ? |
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| 14:06.33 | tgunr | yes, thatâs how it is mounted right now, only to /rpool |
| 14:06.34 | ratrace | or wherever you want it |
| 14:06.55 | ratrace | tgunr: and you prepared the chroot? mounted devfs, procfs, sysfs in it? |
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| 14:07.01 | tgunr | correct |
| 14:07.28 | ratrace | and after you chroot /rpool; and run update-grub; what does it say? |
| 14:07.32 | tgunr | wait, i did dev, proc, sys |
| 14:07.57 | ratrace | yeah, bind from the host /dev, /sys and mount -t proc proc /rpool/proc |
| 14:08.42 | trek00 | I usually do: for d in dev proc sys; do mount --bind /$d /mnt/$d; done |
| 14:09.01 | tgunr | ok, going to start over |
| 14:09.05 | ratrace | should rbind for all the submounts of /dev/ |
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| 14:09.32 | trek00 | ratrace: yup, my fault, but never had a problem |
| 14:10.09 | ratrace | i think only/mosty things needing shm and pts might complain |
| 14:10.54 | trek00 | ratrace: yes but it's good to have all and prevents strange issues, it's better rbind |
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| 14:12.27 | tgunr | well crap, canât unmount those, target is busy |
| 14:13.15 | trek00 | tgunr: lsof | grep /rpool may be tell you the processes using it |
| 14:13.32 | tgunr | just starting over with export import |
| 14:13.32 | ratrace | umount -l, then they'll disappear after you export the pool |
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| 14:20.22 | old_school | Enjoying Buster so far? |
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| 14:21.00 | ayekat | tgunr: I think it would very much help us all help you if we could just see the current mountpoints tree, instead of having you reword it for us |
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| 14:22.08 | tgunr | cc, I'll try later, honeydew is calling |
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| 14:46.04 | ratrace | anyone running bind9 on buster, as a resolver (regardless of whether it's also authoritative)? i am having trouble with the service being unable to verify dnssec chain of trust, but if i restart the service, all is good. |
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| 14:49.08 | ratrace | i'm guessing there's a race condition with network maybe, perhaps i'll need to reconfigure the bind9.service to start after network is online |
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| 14:51.21 | ratrace | journal logs ifup started (it's statically configured network btw), network.target reached and bind9 starting all in the same second, how can i try figure out on a finer timeline resolution, if bind9 is really starting after network is online? |
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| 14:55.53 | vsayikiran | Good evening everyone in room.... i wish to create freedos boot image on usb drive using dd command......will this work....to be able to boot into freedos OS at time of booting........ |
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| 14:56.43 | tds | ratrace: systemd-analyze may be useful? |
| 14:57.38 | ratrace | tds: found -o option for journalctl, but that doesn't help me much, can't seem to figure out what's blocking named to verify dnssec chain on boot, but no when i restart it manually |
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| 14:58.53 | tds | ratrace: hmm, what failures exactly are being logged by bind? |
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| 15:02.49 | ratrace | tds: https://dpaste.de/s7TZ/raw |
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| 15:03.32 | ratrace | so my guess is it can't resolve due to a race with network not yet being fully up ... why else would it work normally if (re)start it manually after boot |
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| 15:12.46 | namll | hello, I am on Debian 9 and Debian 10 has a more current package in stable I am trying to get. MY current package on Stretch is in "oldstable" and the one on buster is "stable" can I download this specific package only? I tried adding a entry for buster in my source.list, but updateing causes 712 packages to be updated and I dont want to completelty update my machine. |
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| 15:13.06 | namll | the package is deluge btw, i am on 1.3.13 and I want 1.3.15 |
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| 15:20.21 | jelly | namll, no you can't get it from a newer debian release. |
| 15:20.33 | jelly | ,v deluge |
| 15:20.34 | judd | Package: deluge on amd64 -- jessie: 1.3.10-3+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1.3.10-3+deb8u1; stretch: 1.3.13+git20161130.48cedf63-3; bullseye: 1.3.15-2; buster: 1.3.15-2; sid: 1.3.15-2 |
| 15:20.53 | Klaus_Dieter | namll: just out of curiosity, what is keeping you to do the full upgrade? |
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| 15:21.18 | jelly | namll, you can attempt building that new version, from source, specifically for your debian 9 system. The result of this would be called a "backport" |
| 15:21.25 | xbow | namll: depends what package you want? |
| 15:21.27 | jelly | !simple sid backport |
| 15:21.27 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 15:21.38 | xbow | thx jelly |
| 15:21.39 | jelly | xbow, no it fucking does not "depend" |
| 15:22.27 | jelly | telling that to random people leads to broken installations and more work for us and the user |
| 15:22.33 | xbow | jelly: ok |
| 15:22.55 | xbow | jelly: well if dependencies are OK you're good to go |
| 15:23.05 | xbow | jelly: that was my intention |
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| 15:23.42 | jelly | sometimes, in very specific cases, one can manage not to break their installation, yes |
| 15:23.50 | jelly | but it's VERY easy to make a mess |
| 15:23.54 | xbow | backports is the way to go |
| 15:24.05 | xbow | but backport can also break things |
| 15:24.26 | xbow | well I upgraded to buster already so all well here |
| 15:24.28 | jelly | not in a mixing-newer-releases way. |
| 15:24.42 | xbow | jelly: k |
| 15:24.45 | namll | Klaus_Dieter: is upgrading from 9-10 a painless leap? |
| 15:24.58 | jelly | dpkg, stretch->buster |
| 15:24.58 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove stable-specific lines like stretch-backports. apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 15:25.03 | jelly | namll, read that ^ |
| 15:25.47 | namll | jelly: if I was running most my pkgs from the testing repo will upgrading to 10 be an issue? |
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| 15:26.36 | jelly | if you were ALREADY mixing different repos, your system may already be hosed, or not, hard to say |
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| 15:27.55 | namll | jelly: yeah thats why I was holding off XD I dont think it would go smoothly. |
| 15:28.17 | jelly | you may have been using "testing" when "testing" pointed to "buster", in that case you'd just sync up to buster with relative ease |
| 15:28.28 | namll | if it was a fairly fresh install with minimal testing overwrites should it be not too much of an issue? |
| 15:28.33 | jelly | or you may have used "testing" when it pointed to "bullseye" already, after buster became "stable" |
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| 15:29.20 | jelly | in the future, avoid mixing newer releases into a older release installation. |
| 15:29.43 | jelly | Either make a full jump or use packages specifically made for your release. |
| 15:30.10 | jelly | !frankendebian |
| 15:30.10 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
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| 15:33.14 | jelly | namll, if you'd used "testing" in sources.list and upgraded things after 2019-07-06 you might already have some packages newer than what's in buster |
| 15:33.47 | jelly | if your last install or upgrade was before that, you might as well do a full upgrade to buster now and keep it at that |
| 15:34.05 | trek00 | namll: but if you are using testing, you should have already deluge 1.3.15 |
| 15:34.33 | bouba | jelly ty firmware mt7600u.bin work fine in /lib/firmware/mediatek |
| 15:35.02 | bouba | and the default name is ra0 . |
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| 15:39.07 | vsayikiran | jelly: deluge for what? |
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| 15:42.55 | uniqdom | Hello, I want to upgrade to testing from stable. I'm following the instructions described in "How to upgrade to Debian (next-stable) Testing" in https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting. I'm a bit confused about "security updates line" in /etc/apt/sources.list file. The instruction number 2 says to remove the security line, but there is a warning below the instructions that says that you should always have a security line in sources.list. |
| 15:43.17 | uniqdom | how should I proceed? |
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| 15:47.09 | joepublic | testing doesn't have security updates. |
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| 15:49.02 | NetTerminalGene | man, bind9 is shit. it connects slow, torrent doesn't start, disconnection time to time... |
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| 15:49.30 | NetTerminalGene | i just removed it |
| 15:49.38 | NetTerminalGene | i'm happy noe |
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| 15:50.54 | uniqdom | joepublic: ok, so I will just remove the line. But I think that it could be a good idea to remove that warning in the documentation, right? |
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| 15:53.39 | joepublic | looks like from the wiki that you should have a 'deb http://security.debian.org testing-security main' in there. |
| 15:54.07 | uniqdom | "If you are tracking testing or the next-stable code name", maybe it is fine the warning. if you track testing or next-stable, you should not have the line. if you track the code name ("bullseye" instead of "testing")you should have the line. is that ok? |
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| 15:54.59 | corsair | hey |
| 15:55.09 | corsair | how can I install libstdc++-9-dev on debian 9 |
| 15:55.11 | corsair | stretcj |
| 15:55.13 | corsair | stretch |
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| 15:55.38 | corsair | E: Unable to locate package libstdc++-9-dev |
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| 15:57.54 | EoflaOEViceCity | https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-install-gnu-gcc-compiler/ Debian Linux Install GNU GCC Compiler and Development ... |
| 15:58.03 | EoflaOEViceCity | sorry, misclick. |
| 15:58.15 | corsair | although it is available here: https://packages.debian.org/sid/libdevel/libstdc++-9-dev |
| 15:59.12 | ratrace | corsair: install sid in a chroot/container and use it there |
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| 16:00.36 | corsair | ratrace: what the hell |
| 16:00.42 | corsair | cant I install it normally? |
| 16:00.54 | corsair | why would I need a chroot? |
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| 16:02.27 | uniqdom | corsair: the package that you gave in that link is for sid (aka Debian unstable). |
| 16:02.47 | corsair | is that the same as testing? |
| 16:03.16 | ratrace | corsair: there is no such package on stretch, you can backport it but that might make a mess due to libc; a chroot or container is the recommended solution for such a mess; but yeah see if you can backport it first |
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| 16:03.25 | jelly | no, it's, let's say, newer than testing |
| 16:03.27 | jelly | !sid |
| 16:03.28 | dpkg | well, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 16:03.58 | corsair | FUCK |
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| 16:04.14 | corsair | so now I have to fully install the OS if I want to go from testing to unstable? |
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| 16:04.28 | ratrace | what |
| 16:04.38 | jelly | corsair, stretch is neither testing nor unstable (nor stable) |
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| 16:04.50 | jelly | stretch is oldstable right now |
| 16:04.59 | corsair | omg |
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| 16:05.18 | corsair | can I go from that to unstable? |
| 16:05.46 | jelly | corsair, skipping releases is not supported, you'd have to go to buster first, then to unstable. |
| 16:06.26 | jelly | corsair, what is your actual goal with libstdc++9 ? |
| 16:06.37 | corsair | I need c++ 17 |
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| 16:07.58 | jelly | corsair, use a chroot with unstable, if that's only available with g++ 9.1 |
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| 16:08.58 | jelly | unstable can be tricky to use as your main OS unless you have enough debian experience |
| 16:09.43 | uniqdom | Will it do harm if I leave the deb security line in apt sources.list when upgrading from buster to bullseye? |
| 16:09.45 | jelly | or jump straight in and have fun, but maybe keep a second working computer on the side just in case |
| 16:10.03 | BCMM | corsair: you can generally only upgrade debian. oldstable -> stable; stable -> testing, testing -> unstable, etc. |
| 16:10.18 | jelly | uniqdom, it won't do a lot of harm, and it won't do a lot if use either |
| 16:10.42 | BCMM | so you can do testing to unstable as an upgrade, but you might not be able to go back without a clean install |
| 16:10.47 | corsair | maybe I can try chroot |
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| 16:12.52 | uniqdom | jelly: is just that the documentation is a bit confusing https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting#How_to_upgrade_to_Debian_.28next-stable.29_Testing, see instruction number 2 and the warning below. |
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| 16:20.07 | jelly | uniqdom, that warning is incorrect during the most part of the release cycle, as security repo for testing typically does not exist at all until very late in the process |
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| 16:21.56 | uniqdom | jelly, thanks, I'm removing the line |
| 16:22.18 | jelly | you can put it back when bullseye is frozen and close to release |
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| 16:27.33 | uniqdom | jelly: Well, I think that I'm not going to remember that. should I leave the line? |
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| 17:03.13 | asarch | I already did everything I found in Internet but I still have E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 17:04.21 | trek00 | what packages? |
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| 17:07.43 | trek00 | asarch: you should find what packages are broken to fix it |
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| 17:12.02 | asarch | Which one?: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/585427 |
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| 17:15.43 | trek00 | asarch: sorry I don't understand what's going on |
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| 17:17.09 | trek00 | asarch: what are the errors running aptitude interactively? |
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| 17:18.15 | djp_ | using debian 10 (buster). configuring ssh access and want to edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config but the file doesn't exist. have things changed since previous releases of debian? where is the config file now located? |
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| 17:21.56 | djp_ | scrub that... all fine. brain fart. |
| 17:22.05 | djp_ | :/ |
| 17:22.19 | trek00 | :) |
| 17:22.21 | fireba11 | hehe |
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| 18:02.42 | zophyx | do not go gentle into that good night |
| 18:02.46 | zophyx | oops |
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| 18:04.55 | jhutchins | djp_: Are you root? |
| 18:05.08 | jhutchins | I see you figured it out. |
| 18:06.36 | jhutchins | ashka: Paste your sources list. I suspect you have mixed sources. |
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| 18:08.03 | jhutchins | This paticular error is probably due to mixing 386 and 686. |
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| 18:33.30 | dstaring | It's annoying that that bot keeps setting the "channel limit". |
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| 18:33.54 | BCMM | what is that actually about anyway? |
| 18:34.19 | dstaring | I assume it would theoretically prevent 1000 bots from joining all at once. |
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| 18:34.53 | dstaring | But IRC is fundamentally broken because it doesn't allow for routing messages through a given bot so that it can decide stuff before actually allowing it out to all the chatters. |
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| 18:36.08 | BCMM | oh, is the bot just always keeping it slightly above the current number of people in the channel? |
| 18:36.30 | joepublic | "irc is fundamentally because it does not fail to deliver messages and instead send them to a designated third party" is a pretty wacky theory. |
| 18:36.46 | BCMM | seems like it could be made a lot less annoying, while still providing the same functionality, by just changing the granularity |
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| 18:40.30 | user_ | Can anyone tell me which driver my system is using from this output? Graphics: Device-1: AMD Picasso vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: N/A bus ID: 04:00.0 |
| 18:40.30 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.30 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.30 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:42.40 | dstaring | "driver: none" <-- Confusing. |
| 18:43.22 | user_ | that's why I'm asking |
| 18:44.15 | LtL | user_: try lspci -k |
| 18:44.34 | user_ | apparently, there's no linux driver available for my graphics hardware yet, so I tried to use fbdev and that was the result. At least Xstarts now. |
| 18:45.43 | user_ | do you really want me to post the whole screen full of input from that command here? :P |
| 18:45.50 | user_ | *output |
| 18:46.06 | LtL | no, hell no |
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| 18:46.36 | LtL | user_: paste.debian.net but only you need to see it |
| 18:47.23 | user_ | I did a "grep VGA" to reduce it: 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Picasso (rev c2) |
| 18:47.23 | user_ | 04:00.7 Non-VGA unclassified device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Raven/Raven2/Renoir Non-Sensor Fusion Hub KMDF driver |
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| 18:48.20 | LtL | user_: lspci -k tells what device is using what kernel module, i thought it would help you determine 'something.' |
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| 18:49.51 | jmcnaught | user_: I would also run 'dmesg | grep -i firmware' (as root) and see if there are messages about missing firmware related to your GPU |
| 18:50.38 | jmcnaught | AMD 'picasso' might be too new if it just got released in the last month or so |
| 18:51.38 | user_ | It got released in january this year |
| 18:52.09 | jmcnaught | still, that's when debian 10 was frozen |
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| 18:53.27 | user_ | it's ok for now as long as I can use X, but I'm linited to 1024*768 on my fullhd display so I tried to change that with xrandr but: xrandr --output default --mode "1920x1080_60.00" |
| 18:53.28 | user_ | xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default |
| 18:53.28 | user_ | xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed |
| 18:53.34 | trek00 | user_: you should use amdgpu |
| 18:53.50 | user_ | amdgpu doesn't work,already tested |
| 18:54.14 | trek00 | user_: you have installed the firmware too? |
| 18:54.38 | user_ | so Iwanted to know if the screen resolution is a limit of the driver, but can't determine which one is being used |
| 18:55.06 | user_ | the firmware necessary is installed |
| 18:55.44 | trek00 | user_: the package firmware-amd-graphics contains the firmware for picasso |
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| 18:57.35 | Zen-Follower | the following versionis installed (20190114-1) |
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| 18:58.38 | trek00 | Zen-Follower: it should be supported |
| 18:58.54 | trek00 | Zen-Follower: what errors are shown with amdgpu? |
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| 18:59.48 | trek00 | Zen-Follower: you are probably using the generic kms X11 driver |
| 19:00.00 | Zen-Follower | it gets unloaded because it doesn't fit |
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| 19:00.24 | Zen-Follower | and it's not in the list of the supported devices of that driver either |
| 19:00.44 | trek00 | Zen-Follower: without amdgpu you will not have 3d support nor high resolutions |
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| 19:01.25 | trek00 | zen-follower: it is supported as RAVEN chipset |
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| 19:04.34 | trek00 | Zen-Follower: i must leave now, but your gpu is supported with amdgpu on debian buster |
| 19:05.03 | Zen-Follower | as I mentioned, it didn't work |
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| 19:05.22 | Zen-Follower | and the raven-entry is for the hdmi-output, I guess |
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| 19:05.43 | Zen-Follower | I need a driver that supports picasso |
| 19:05.52 | trek00 | Zen-Follower: picasso and raven are the same at driver level, they differs only for the firmware |
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| 19:06.05 | lope | does debian live come with gparted? |
| 19:06.18 | lope | xfce |
| 19:06.20 | Zen-Follower | I don't need 3d support in linux for now, just would like my screen resolution to be 1920x1080 |
| 19:07.09 | Zen-Follower | I think debian like is GNOME, not Xfce |
| 19:07.11 | lope | I have a 3d screen. My resolution is 1920x1920x1080 |
| 19:07.13 | Zen-Follower | *live |
| 19:07.36 | Zen-Follower | lope: do you have an AMD picasso GPU? |
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| 19:08.21 | jaggz | ugh.. why's ffmpeg package missing ffplay? |
| 19:08.43 | diogenes_ | Zen-Follower, debian live comes in a bunch of flavors, gnome, kde, cunnamon, lxde and xfce. |
| 19:09.06 | diogenes_ | and also have you tried to add manually the desired resolution via xrandr? |
| 19:09.30 | jmcnaught | lope: if Debian live doesn't have gparted on it you can install it with a network connection |
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| 19:11.10 | kalokagathia | why would you use gparted if you can use cfidsk and mkfs? |
| 19:11.40 | Zen-Follower | diogenes_, xrandr --output default --mode "1920x1080_60.00" |
| 19:11.40 | Zen-Follower | xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default |
| 19:11.40 | Zen-Follower | xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed |
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| 19:12.41 | diogenes_ | Zen-Follower, but is 1920x1080 even listed there? |
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| 19:14.44 | lope | jmcnaught, thanks, yes, I know how to linux good. but networking is extra hassle sometimes |
| 19:15.17 | lope | I R linux very happy |
| 19:16.00 | Zen-Follower | diogenes_, $xrandr |
| 19:16.00 | Zen-Follower | xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default |
| 19:16.00 | Zen-Follower | Screen 0: minimum 1024 x 768, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1920 x 1080 |
| 19:16.00 | Zen-Follower | default connected primary 1024x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm |
| 19:16.00 | Zen-Follower | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.00 | Zen-Follower | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:16.06 | diogenes_ | lope, you can share from your phone. |
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| 19:16.33 | Zen-Follower | whoops :P |
| 19:16.41 | diogenes_ | !pastebin |
| 19:16.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 19:16.59 | diogenes_ | Zen-Follower, we can try to use some hackery tricks if you want. |
| 19:17.09 | Zen-Follower | sure, had no idea, the limit was this strict |
| 19:17.25 | lope | diogenes_, thanks, I know how to android good too |
| 19:17.32 | humpled | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:18.02 | Zen-Follower | diogenes_, sure, but toavoid getting kicked should we use a private chat? |
| 19:18.04 | kalokagathia | Zen-Follower, try replacing your monitor cabel |
| 19:18.38 | Zen-Follower | kalokagathia, sorry, but that's impossible, it's a laptop |
| 19:19.07 | diogenes_ | Zen-Follower, ok message me. |
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| 19:24.34 | trek00 | Zen-Follower: only to confirm you, picasso is supported since mesa 18.3 and with firmware 20190114 (both are in buster) |
| 19:24.46 | rain1 | what program should I use to mount a luks encrypted volume? |
| 19:24.49 | trek00 | ciao! |
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| 19:27.23 | ratrace | rain1: cryptsetup to unlock it, then you mount the resulting unlocked block device from /dev/mapper/<name you chose when unlocking> |
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| 19:31.58 | humpled | re the live usb package list, there's a lot of difference between https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-10.0.0-i386-xfce.contents and .packages |
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| 19:40.00 | rain1 | thanks |
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| 19:40.51 | rain1 | apt-get install cryptsetup |
| 19:40.53 | rain1 | says its installed |
| 19:40.57 | rain1 | but i cant run it |
| 19:41.12 | humpled | oh dear |
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| 19:47.28 | Habbie | rain1, it's in /sbin |
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| 19:51.22 | ratrace | rain1: use sudo or su -l to root first |
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| 19:53.59 | ratrace | any ideas how to lock down /sys/class/hwmon/hwmonX/ devices? One boot it's hwmon1, another it's hwmon2, wth... |
| 19:54.30 | ratrace | sorry, not boot, but kernel build |
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| 19:58.15 | rain1 | thanks |
| 19:58.25 | rain1 | could anybody tell me how to change my DNS server? |
| 19:58.32 | Habbie | ratrace, i'll start with saying i don't know - but when you get hwmon2, is there a hwmon0 and hwmon1 too? i.e. is this about order, or is your build skipping numbers? |
| 19:58.37 | rain1 | I want to use 8.8.8.8 (for example) |
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| 19:59.13 | rain1 | https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf i found this but I dont know which tool or file to look at |
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| 19:59.28 | old_school | rain1, you can check the file /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:59.31 | Beggar | hi |
| 19:59.36 | ratrace | Habbie: about order. I have i3-wm status bar plugin for cpu temp based on those paths, and every kernel build is different |
| 19:59.43 | rain1 | its warning me not to edit that file |
| 19:59.47 | old_school | You will need an editor such as for example nano |
| 19:59.58 | old_school | and you will need to su to make the change. |
| 20:00.01 | Habbie | if it warns you, it also tells you what does manage the file |
| 20:00.20 | ratrace | rain1: which desktop? are you using networkmanager? |
| 20:00.25 | rain1 | xfce |
| 20:00.46 | rain1 | its a fresh install i haven't done anything or set anything up, wired networking just worked |
| 20:00.49 | Beggar | I installed blueman and then uninstalled it. After that my mic input simply stopped working. I can hear everything but recording is not possible. I can hear mic input if I unmute it in alsamixer, but besides this audacity or any other sound software can not get mic input. |
| 20:01.09 | ratrace | oh i don't know my way around xfce, but if it runs networkmanager, set dns through thta |
| 20:01.16 | ratrace | %s/thta/that/ |
| 20:01.30 | Habbie | ratrace, that's weird because obviously they are enumerated at boot time |
| 20:01.34 | diogenes_ | rain1, you can easily do it with nm-connection-editor. |
| 20:01.40 | Beggar | I tried a live version of debian to check if it was hardware issue. the live distro worked nromaly, I was able to record audio. Any suggestion on what can be the issue? |
| 20:01.57 | Habbie | Beggar, sounds like some settings are wrong now |
| 20:02.01 | Habbie | Beggar, dpkg -l | grep blueman |
| 20:02.15 | diogenes_ | Beggar, maybe try a new test user to rule out misconfigs. |
| 20:02.55 | Beggar | I purged bleman from syste. When I isntalled it it had pulseaudio-bluez as dependency IIRC. I assume this is what caused the problem. But I was nota ble to fix it until now |
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| 20:09.23 | Beggar | As advised here I created a test user and it is the same result. So this is not related to user config. |
| 20:09.38 | Beggar | I had a little hope I admit. haha |
| 20:10.43 | diogenes_ | Beggar, install pavucontrol and look in input tab also in configuration tab |
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| 20:12.22 | Beggar | Well I am not an pulseaudio user though. |
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| 20:19.24 | Battaglin | Linux 4.19.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.37-5+deb10u1 (2019-07-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:19.39 | Battaglin | yay.. I succeeded in the 9 to 10 upgrade |
| 20:19.48 | Battaglin | ..jst had to pull myself together :D |
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| 20:21.06 | Beggar | I am starting to consider wiping everything and reinstaling. Battaglin |
| 20:21.26 | Battaglin | I had huge issues yesterday too |
| 20:21.31 | Beggar | My trip from Stretch to Buster had lots of issues |
| 20:21.42 | Battaglin | still have a little issues with nextcloud |
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| 20:23.31 | Beggar | I got problems with XFCE behavior, power management and some fancy red errors at boot. |
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| 20:24.13 | Beggar | I solved all the other issues only fixing specific configs, but I still do nto feel comfortable with it. |
| 20:24.48 | Beggar | But I will wait untill buster get at least 2 more upgrades then I will reinstall. |
| 20:25.26 | Battaglin | I was close too.. if it wasnt so that I have lots of apache stuff setup |
| 20:25.40 | Battaglin | I couldnt use apt yesterday :D |
| 20:25.44 | Battaglin | nor aptitude |
| 20:26.03 | Battaglin | but..fixed now |
| 20:26.05 | Battaglin | love that |
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| 20:30.33 | Beggar | Any simple way to set all my alsa configuration to default? |
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| 20:41.02 | enri | night night |
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| 20:49.33 | Battaglin | php -v |
| 20:49.33 | Battaglin | PHP 7.3.4-2 (cli) (built: Apr 13 2019 19:05:48) ( NTS ) |
| 20:49.46 | Battaglin | howcome phpmyadmin says I have 7.0.33 installed |
| 20:49.50 | Battaglin | thats weird |
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| 20:50.54 | jmcnaught | Battaglin: if you upgraded from stretch then you would still have the php7.0 packages installed, and your web server is still configured to use the old php |
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| 20:53.21 | Gerowen | When possible I always try to use meta packages so that I don't end up with multiple versions of things installed. Example, instead of installing php7.3-cgi, just install php-cgi, it just points to the latest version, and when there's an update you don't have old versions sticking around because you specifically installed php7.3-cgi . |
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| 20:58.03 | Mathisen | i had issues with php after upgrade also. but i used 7.3 repo from 3.rd partu.. but i ended upp with purging most php7-3.* packages then re-installed with pure buster repos and it worked fine |
| 20:58.38 | Battaglin | yeah but... Module php7.3 already enabled |
| 20:58.50 | Battaglin | some pointer is wrong somewhere |
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| 21:05.07 | Battaglin | oh well another issue..another day |
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| 21:28.51 | preyalone | anyone else getting debootstrap error code 30 when installing sid? :/ |
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| 21:32.57 | preyalone | also the mirrors are failing half the time. perhaps related to using a fiber connection? |
| 21:33.08 | Habbie | preyalone, can you show full command line and output? |
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| 21:34.50 | preyalone | https://github.com/mcandre/packer-templates/issues/355#issuecomment-513483624 |
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| 21:35.32 | Habbie | is that the full output? |
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| 21:37.17 | Gerowen | Observation, some Gnome apps do not work properly (presumably because Buster uses Wayland by default). The controls in Totem cannot be clicked, the map in Gnome Maps cannot be interacted with (dragging it around, zooming in and out, etc.). Are these known issues, or is this something I should post on the forums or something about? |
| 21:37.52 | preyalone | technically this happens in the graphical installer with a red screen, i had to tail /var/log/syslog to find those lines. they're the most salient. re-re-re-running the sid installer and skipping mirror errors to try to capture the full log.. |
| 21:38.30 | preyalone | for context, this happens in virtualbox, in case that matters |
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| 21:39.13 | Habbie | preyalone, i don't think it matters, but if you're unsure it matters, do add it to the ticket |
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| 21:41.25 | deleuze6 | hey all, I recently upgraded from stretch to buster but now I discovered that one of my openssl certificates is too small. It is a simple cert that I have been using for my dovecot imap server. I'm trying to make a new imapd.pem but something is always too small. First I had 'SSL_CTX_use_certificate:ee key too small', and then after building a new openssl cert, I had 'ssl3_ctx_ctrl:dh key too small' |
| 21:41.28 | preyalone | sometimes the graphical installer shows a 100% blue screen, not sure if it is continuing the installation or not |
| 21:41.40 | deleuze6 | what gives? is there a nice one-liner I can use to fix this? |
| 21:42.15 | deleuze6 | (other than disabling security, which is basically what the web tells me is the quickest way to get back up) |
| 21:42.45 | Habbie | deleuze6, how did you make a new imapd.pem? |
| 21:42.59 | deleuze6 | openssl req -nodes -new -x509 -newkey rsa:4096 -keyout imapd-key.pem -out imapd.pem |
| 21:43.16 | Habbie | ok |
| 21:43.24 | Habbie | that does not rebuild your dh parameters i believe |
| 21:43.25 | deleuze6 | this is not something I do every day, so it is probably wrong. |
| 21:43.48 | deleuze6 | Habbie: yea, currently I'm trying 'openssl dhparam -out dhparam.pem 4096' which takes forever |
| 21:43.55 | Habbie | aside, is there any reason you're not using letsencrypt? |
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| 21:44.20 | Habbie | yes, that can take a while - providing some entropy to your system (perhaps via haveged) might help |
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| 21:44.52 | deleuze6 | Habbie: it was never necessary for imapd.pem before. I am using letsencrypt for another key on the same server, and indeed I tried linking imapd.pem to it, but it still errored out. |
| 21:45.01 | deleuze6 | Maybe I made a mistake? |
| 21:45.42 | Habbie | you mean you never needed LE for imapd.pem? do you have your clients click through a warning? |
| 21:47.39 | deleuze6 | no |
| 21:47.46 | deleuze6 | and correct, never needed it |
| 21:48.12 | deleuze6 | so I have this error from using my LE fullchain.pem: 'get_name:no start line: Expecting: ANY PRIVATE KEY' |
| 21:48.41 | deleuze6 | this was after 'ln -s /etc/letsencrypt/live/[...]/fullchain.pem imapd.pem |
| 21:50.01 | tds | deleuze6: what's the ssl_key directive set to in your dovecot config? |
| 21:50.15 | tds | you'll want to either modify that to point to the key generated by your acme client, or add a symlink for that as well |
| 21:50.34 | deleuze6 | tds: ssl_key = </etc/ssl/certs/imapd.pem |
| 21:50.54 | tds | what about ssl_cert? |
| 21:51.06 | deleuze6 | yea, I was symlinking imapd.pem to fullchain.pem (which I understand the acme client creates) |
| 21:51.20 | deleuze6 | same thing ssl_cert = </etc/ssl/certs/imapd.pem |
| 21:51.25 | deleuze6 | oh |
| 21:51.33 | deleuze6 | I guess I should put both the key and the cert in the same file |
| 21:51.49 | deleuze6 | or have them be separate files in the dovecat config |
| 21:51.51 | tds | or change ssl_key to use the key from your acme client, yeah |
| 21:51.51 | deleuze6 | interesting |
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| 21:52.08 | deleuze6 | seems these things could be defaulted to something simpler |
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| 21:53.40 | altker128 | Question here guys, anyone know what happened to /proc/interrupts ? |
| 21:53.46 | Beggar | Anyone know how can I reset all the alsa configuration to its defauts in debain bsuter? I tried moving all the configuration files I found to no avail. |
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| 21:56.39 | deleuze6 | tds: OK, thanks. well, now I'm back to 'ssl3_ctx_ctrl:dh key too small' |
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| 21:56.55 | deleuze6 | so I guess that somehow even my letsencrypt parameters are too 'small' somehow? |
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| 21:57.14 | tds | er, I think you need to check the ssl_dh directive for that? |
| 21:57.59 | deleuze6 | tds: are you saying that I need to run something like 'openssl dhparam -out dhparam.pem 4096' and then use paramfile or somesuch? |
| 21:58.19 | deleuze6 | I already did run that command and now I have a dhparam.pem |
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| 21:58.38 | deleuze6 | (not that I am using it for anything at the moment yet) |
| 21:58.52 | tds | yeah, check what file dovecot is configured to read that from at the moment (as I said, I think it's ssl_dh) |
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| 22:03.00 | deleuze6 | tds: ok. I moved the new dhparam.pem to /usr/share/dovecot/dh.pem, which is |
| 22:03.10 | deleuze6 | ssl_dh = </usr/share/dovecot/dh.pem |
| 22:03.36 | deleuze6 | then I restarted dovecot. the same error: 'ssl3_ctx_ctrl:dh key too small' |
| 22:04.44 | deleuze6 | OK, looking at the log file there are some 'warnings' with instructions |
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| 22:05.13 | Beggar | deleuze6, there is not and verbose debug mode on dovecot? |
| 22:06.51 | Beggar | https://wiki2.dovecot.org/WhyDoesItNotWork |
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| 22:09.14 | deleuze6 | Beggar: ? none of those are my problem |
| 22:09.37 | deleuze6 | I mean the error I am getting is about the dh key |
| 22:10.22 | Beggar | Sorry, i just linked to the docs, I did not noticed the page I was using when i send it here. |
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| 22:12.07 | Beggar | there are some pages there tlaking about debug options, and the log output. Maybe it can help. anyways sorry for poking in the issue. |
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| 22:13.48 | deleuze6 | Beggar: no problem, I appreciate your help |
| 22:14.04 | deleuze6 | OK, so I think I've finally managed to get it to work |
| 22:14.57 | deleuze6 | looks like there are two misleading bits. one is the fact that the warnings in the log file tell me to 'dd if=/var/lib/dovecot/ssl-parameters.dat bs=1 skip=88 | openssl dhparam -inform der > /etc/dovecot/dh.pem' when that is what creates a 'too small' key' |
| 22:15.05 | deleuze6 | er, by key I meant dh params |
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| 22:15.54 | deleuze6 | so the correct thing to do is ignore that advice (and, presumably, default dovecot behaviour) and use the 'openssl dhparam -out /etc/dovecot/dh.pem 4096' instead |
| 22:16.54 | deleuze6 | the second misleading bit is that there is '/etc/dovecot' as well as '/usr/share/dovecot' and unfortunately they are not the same but look very similar |
| 22:17.36 | deleuze6 | so maybe dovecot and debian need to get together to figure out the right way to make the defaults saner |
| 22:17.51 | deleuze6 | and the docs on the web probably need to provide some explicit instructions |
| 22:18.48 | deleuze6 | but in my case the net fix was to (1) have dovecot point to things used by letsencrypt, and (2) generate my own 4096 dh params file and put it in /etc/dovecot/dh.pem |
| 22:19.09 | deleuze6 | thanks all. I appreciate your help |
| 22:20.41 | noln | deleuze6, getting in touch with the dovecot maintainers in debian is probably the best way to get that done |
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| 22:27.40 | deleuze6 | noln: sounds like dovecot@packages.debian.org, that is a fine idea; thanks! |
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| 22:44.21 | rant | ,maint dovecot |
| 22:44.22 | judd | Package dovecot version 1:2.1.7-7 was uploaded by Jaldhar H. Vyas (Debian GNU/Linux) on 2013-02-05, last changed by Jaldhar H. Vyas and maintained by Dovecot Maintainers. |
| 22:44.46 | rant | thats still rather useless I see |
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| 23:00.23 | noln | it's in the right column on packages.d.o |
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| 23:03.34 | kingsley | How do you convert invisible glyphs in PDF files to their unicodes? |
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| 23:03.51 | kingsley | I'd like to look up what the glyph means. |
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| 23:23.33 | useretail | hey guys, is it possible to create a system user that has no password, it's login is disabled and there is no home folder? |
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| 23:24.20 | useretail | and how to run a command for such user, cause i'm getting error: cannot change directory to /home/myuser |
| 23:24.41 | azeem | how do you run the command? |
| 23:24.42 | mentor | useretail: Don't start a login shell |
| 23:24.54 | useretail | * when i try sudo runuser -l myuser -c 'ping test' |
| 23:25.17 | useretail | i'm planning to run commands using systemd |
| 23:25.34 | useretail | how to do it properly? |
| 23:25.38 | azeem | the -l is for login |
| 23:25.43 | azeem | so try to drop that |
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| 23:26.51 | kreyren | any eta on mono-devel 5.20+? |
| 23:26.58 | kreyren | i need it for terraria mods and it's not even present in sid |
| 23:27.10 | azeem | is there a wishlist bug? |
| 23:27.18 | kreyren | dunno |
| 23:27.29 | kreyren | upstream provides it, but it's weird |
| 23:28.17 | azeem | upstream provides what? |
| 23:28.54 | kreyren | 5.20 for debian |
| 23:29.04 | kreyren | https://www.mono-project.com/download/stable/#download-lin-debian |
| 23:29.07 | useretail | azeem, login is disabled for this new user (for obvious reasons). here is how it looks like in /etc/passwd: myuser:x:140:144::/home/myuser:/usr/sbin/nologin |
| 23:29.14 | useretail | folder /home/myuser doesn't exist |
| 23:30.09 | azeem | useretail: right, so does sudo runuser myuser -c 'ping test' work? |
| 23:30.35 | useretail | azeem, no, it says This account is currently not available |
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| 23:31.51 | azeem | ok, I see |
| 23:32.12 | azeem | sorry don't know off-hand whether it's possible |
| 23:32.29 | useretail | azeem, ok. thx anyway |
| 23:32.35 | kreyren | or any idea how to fix this? https://pastebin.com/raw/61v3sHvv |
| 23:32.38 | kreyren | i need my mono |
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| 23:39.27 | kreyren | https://pastebin.com/raw/UZygTV0F new output |
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| 23:40.29 | Mathisen | im just gonna asume you have added a repo you found online and hope it works.. |
| 23:40.43 | Mathisen | or is that original repos ? |
| 23:41.03 | kreyren | yep praying to ignucius that it would work |
| 23:41.08 | kreyren | from upstream of mono |
| 23:41.51 | Mathisen | well something does not match.. so you would save yourself trouble to remove that package and repo and install the one from debian own |
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| 23:42.02 | kreyren | debian's is outdated |
| 23:42.02 | Mathisen | or try to solve it without a apt mirror |
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| 23:42.07 | kreyren | it's using 5.18 and i need 5.20 |
| 23:42.17 | kreyren | mono-devel package |
| 23:42.29 | azeem | 20:27 < azeem> is there a wishlist bug? |
| 23:42.55 | kreyren | dunno what wishlist bug is |
| 23:43.11 | Mathisen | ,v mono-devel |
| 23:43.12 | judd | Package: mono-devel on amd64 -- jessie: 3.2.8+dfsg-10; jessie-security: 3.2.8+dfsg-10+deb8u1; stretch: 4.6.2.7+dfsg-1; bullseye: 5.18.0.240+dfsg-3; buster: 5.18.0.240+dfsg-3; sid: 5.18.0.240+dfsg-3 |
| 23:43.18 | kreyren | see |
| 23:43.20 | Mathisen | i dont know what to say then |
| 23:43.32 | kreyren | rip my terraria ;-; |
| 23:43.48 | azeem | file a wishlist bug if there is none |
| 23:44.00 | azeem | what do you want us to do, drop everything and upload mono 5.20? |
| 23:44.11 | uRock | why not? |
| 23:44.33 | kreyren | nah just anything that would help me if you have resources on it |
| 23:44.39 | kreyren | else i will wait or sandbox gentoo to get it |
| 23:44.47 | azeem | I'm holding a mug of beer over my notebook, not a good idea to drop it |
| 23:45.06 | kreyren | lol |
| 23:45.15 | uRock | No alcohol abuse. |
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| 23:49.15 | Toba | I'm more concerned about the notebook abuse |
| 23:49.51 | kreyren | can't be worse then mine https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596108168476753921/598115090473943050/unknown.png |
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| 23:50.01 | Toba | dang |
| 23:50.09 | Mathisen | wow... i feel sorry for you |
| 23:50.10 | kreyren | 19 hits with a hammer xD |
| 23:50.17 | kreyren | nah i got it for free and i'm fixing it |
| 23:50.19 | Toba | oh this is an old one you're beating up for fun then? |
| 23:50.20 | azeem | I'd never buy a thinkpad with a numpad |
| 23:50.23 | Toba | 'fixing it' |
| 23:50.30 | Toba | why? |
| 23:50.33 | Toba | Isn't that a bit far gone? |
| 23:50.42 | kreyren | Toba, fun and it has a cool story behind it.. i call it undieing |
| 23:50.48 | kreyren | and i'm going to upgrade it |
| 23:51.06 | Toba | I have gone to extreme lengths to sustain a thinkpad that has taken damage myself |
| 23:51.10 | kreyren | i already have compatible 4K screen for it and 6x more effective CPU xD |
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| 23:51.22 | Toba | there is a lot of steel-impregnated epoxy putty in my laptop |
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| 23:51.40 | kreyren | also going with epoxy for the broken plastic xD |
| 23:51.43 | Toba | a 4k screen will work with the same old video card? or did it have a good video card in it |
| 23:51.45 | kreyren | i want to preserve the damage :3 |
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| 23:51.50 | Toba | oh pro tip on epoxy |
| 23:52.04 | kreyren | Toba, it doesnt have GPU xD but board has design for it dunno what it will fit, but it should fit maxwell |
| 23:52.13 | Toba | if you want black epoxy take some charcoal from a wood fire, crush it in a mortar and pestle until its completely fine powder |
| 23:52.17 | Toba | and then mix in with the epoxy |
| 23:52.31 | Toba | i have patched up my phone with that, when it got a groove scratched in the side from hitting the pavement |
| 23:52.39 | Toba | you wouldn't notice it |
| 23:52.48 | kreyren | i was thinking about making it gray so that it looks like patch i want to highlight the damage |
| 23:52.49 | Toba | but I kind of like a battle scarred machine anyways. |
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| 23:53.16 | Toba | yeah steel impregnated epoxy putty - jb-weld putty |
| 23:53.18 | Toba | will work great for this |
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| 23:53.51 | Toba | if there is a circuit board through the hole in the case, you can take like clamshell packaging plastic and cut to size a piece to shield the circuit from being shorted by the steel epoxy |
| 23:53.51 | kreyren | great wasn't sure if it's going to work O.o |
| 23:54.04 | Toba | and it sands well too |
| 23:54.23 | Toba | however you will have to be aware that you will end up sanding the coating off the plastic case near by when you sand it flush |
| 23:54.26 | kreyren | about the holes in pcbs https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596108168476753921/601450698818977792/DSC_0155.JPG |
| 23:54.27 | kreyren | xD |
| 23:54.36 | kreyren | that is also going to be fun to fix |
| 23:54.48 | kreyren | it's non-fatal tho |
| 23:54.50 | Toba | I went as far as to spraypaint matte black over the areas I patched up, from a distance in a sputtery way |
| 23:54.55 | Toba | to get a kind of grippy looking texture |
| 23:55.10 | Toba | but it's sorta degraded because the paint wasn't made for daily wear |
| 23:55.16 | Toba | but that looks cool too.. |
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| 23:55.33 | kreyren | i was thinking about mixing jb-weld with a pigment and then mix A + B together |
| 23:55.46 | kreyren | then just sand it down |
| 23:56.10 | Toba | https://twitter.com/toba/status/1119994967722799104 |
| 23:56.31 | kreyren | also got a new GPU now for free because it's EOF xD best investment in shop that can deal with this kind of damage |
| 23:57.17 | kreyren | cool O.o |
| 23:57.43 | Toba | https://www.instagram.com/p/BzCB9YBFgih/ - how the paint deals with being put in bags |
| 23:58.15 | Toba | one thing i would advise, any area you are about to jb-weld onto, first daub it with a cotton swab that has isopropyl alcohol on it |
| 23:58.23 | kreyren | i see any recommendations for me to avoid? |
| 23:58.29 | Toba | you don't want any oils on the surface or it may interfere with the bond with the jb-weld |
| 23:58.38 | kreyren | sounds sane ty |
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| 23:59.11 | Toba | another tip, make sure to use painters tape to cover over your ports and such |
| 23:59.25 | Toba | you can make balled up painters tape sticky side out to put inside the ethernet etc too |
| 23:59.30 | Toba | if you do paint |
| 23:59.43 | Toba | because you do not want to be dealing with paint over your indicator leds and paint on your connectors |
| 23:59.58 | kreyren | i wanted to use painters tape for the jb-weld to make sure it matches the damaged area and won't spill |
| 23:59.59 | Toba | it'll take some time to get it right and an x-acto knife helps but it's worth doing |
