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| 00:07.21 | tehnull | any tips on how to get a better spell check dictionary installed on debian? |
| 00:07.59 | tehnull | I'm on stretch |
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| 00:14.46 | kreyren | psst, https://i.imgur.com/s9cNGXw.png |
| 00:15.41 | humpled | depends what you want, i got wbritish-huge |
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| 00:16.47 | humpled | monsterous |
| 00:17.09 | annadane | it's all the same words as american english but with 'u' inserted |
| 00:17.12 | annadane | i'm kidding |
| 00:17.28 | humpled | :D |
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| 00:18.26 | humpled | and some extra els, |
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| 00:32.33 | tehnull | it's just really irritating when I type a word like relatable and have to second guess my spelling because it's not in the anemic dictionary |
| 00:32.45 | tehnull | and I dunno how to go about improving this situation at all |
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| 00:40.02 | humbot | maybe it's not a word |
| 00:40.47 | tehnull | tis |
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| 00:41.17 | humbot | hmm, seems like hexchat hasn't picked up on my increased word list then |
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| 01:55.11 | rant | sometimes you also have to reverse the -er endings.. like when you find yourself in the theatre or centre |
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| 03:21.45 | fling | How to skip 'Setting up minissdpd' ? |
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| 03:36.24 | hk239 | hello, how do you disable hibernation? |
| 03:37.17 | dvs | I guess it depends on the Desktop Environment you're using. |
| 03:37.24 | hk239 | mate |
| 03:37.41 | dvs | OH, I don't use mate |
| 03:37.46 | hk239 | I don't actually know if it goes into hibernation, but when you start the computer it says 'resuming from hibernation' |
| 03:37.54 | hk239 | so I'm assuming it does |
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| 03:43.23 | hk239 | also I haven't enabled hibernation |
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| 03:44.19 | russell-- | buster busted my emacs/gnus connection to dovecot pop3s |
| 03:44.39 | russell-- | also, what's with emacs25 just installing emacs26? |
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| 03:57.09 | hk238 | dc'd.. if anyone has an idea about that hibernation issue? |
| 03:59.12 | jmcnaught | hk238: the message is just a bug, your computer is not hibernating |
| 04:00.16 | hk238 | oh |
| 04:00.52 | hk238 | good then I guess |
| 04:04.29 | jim | hi, is there a small live image that has borgbackup installed? |
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| 04:05.47 | jim | also, how can I go about making a small/minimal live image? |
| 04:07.31 | somiaj | look into live-build |
| 04:07.50 | somiaj | https://live-team.pages.debian.net/live-manual/html/live-manual/index.en.html |
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| 05:12.55 | fling | Can't I skip configuring minissdpd ? |
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| 05:17.44 | SwedeMike | fling: what do you want to achieve? |
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| 05:29.33 | enri | labas rytas |
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| 05:32.38 | fling | SwedeMike: it gave me a configure error, wanted to workaround |
| 05:32.49 | fling | SwedeMike: uninstall helped |
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| 06:45.03 | superlinux | Hello. I use Debian buster. I need someone good at editing the keyboard layout switch. I want to make right ALT+SHIFT to switch between both Arabic and English. What's going now is that Left ALT+SHIFT makes the keyboard in English, and Right ALT+SHIFT makes it Arabic. So please help me. thanks. |
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| 06:47.48 | diogenes_ | superlinux, what DE? |
| 06:47.58 | superlinux | diogenes_, MATE |
| 06:48.30 | superlinux | it used to work as right ALT+SHIFT to switch between both Arabic and English |
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| 06:49.26 | superlinux | they made it now like a toggle switch rather than a flip switch |
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| 06:50.44 | diogenes_ | superlinux, so i assume it used to work in the previous version of mate, on stretch and not on the newer on buster? |
| 06:51.06 | superlinux | yes. it used to work on stretch |
| 06:51.40 | superlinux | not working on buster |
| 06:52.16 | diogenes_ | so i suppose that's a question for /j #mate developers then. |
| 06:52.35 | superlinux | why #mate? can |
| 06:52.58 | superlinux | why #mate? can't I edit the keys from some file? |
| 06:53.06 | diogenes_ | because for me, in xfce, alt+shift works the way it should so it's DE version specific. |
| 06:53.17 | diogenes_ | also on buster. |
| 06:53.41 | superlinux | I remember there was a file that can make left and right ALT are the same ALT |
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| 06:53.58 | diogenes_ | superlinux, you can have a look in dconf-editor. |
| 06:54.03 | superlinux | ok |
| 06:54.05 | superlinux | thanks |
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| 06:54.11 | diogenes_ | yw |
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| 06:54.50 | alkisg | superlinux: try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 06:54.57 | alkisg | Then restart xorg to pick up the console settings |
| 06:55.14 | superlinux | ok |
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| 06:55.22 | alkisg | The default for MATE is to respect the xorg defaults, which are the same as the console defaults, without using any gsettings or anything else |
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| 06:58.07 | superlinux | i also noticed in buster that /sbin , /usr/sbin, /usr/local/sbin are not in $PATH in root. |
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| 06:58.24 | BCMM | superlinux: the default behaviour of su changed |
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| 06:58.31 | superlinux | that's buster. I added them to /root/.bashrc |
| 06:58.54 | BCMM | superlinux: if you're actually *logged in* as root, /sbin/ should be in the $PATH |
| 06:59.17 | BCMM | https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster |
| 06:59.22 | superlinux | but I do `su` .. it says no sbin folders |
| 06:59.40 | superlinux | ok.. will read it BCMM thanks brother. |
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| 07:00.04 | BCMM | superlinux: right. that's a behavior of su. if you logged in directly as root (like, typed root + your password in to the getty), you'd have sbin |
| 07:00.26 | BCMM | likewise, if you du `su -` to get a proper login shell, you'll get /sbin/ |
| 07:00.31 | superlinux | ok .. i get it now. |
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| 07:25.26 | lope | Is there a way I can run the debian installer somehow from a rescue system that I've booted up? |
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| 07:35.07 | lope | Can I somehow mount the debian netinstall ISO from debian and run it? |
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| 07:36.47 | EmleyMoor | lope: It needs to be booted... as to whether there's an option in your rescue system to boot it, I'm not sure anyone would know unless you detail what the rescue system is |
| 07:37.06 | lope | EmleyMoor, why can't I just mount the ISO and run the installer? |
| 07:37.29 | Haohmaru | wut is this? windows?! |
| 07:37.31 | EmleyMoor | lope: I simply don't know of that being an option |
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| 07:39.38 | EmleyMoor | You almost certainly can mount the ISO, but to run the installer, I'm really not sure |
| 07:39.39 | diogenes_ | lope, you can place that iso on a partition on the HDD and just add a custom.cfg in /boot/grun and just give the corresponding path to the ico, linux and initrd and when you reboot, you gonna see a new grub entry where you can run that installer. |
| 07:39.48 | ratrace | lope: probably yes, but i'm not sure what's the executable for that. but you can also install debian via debootstrap which should be packaged by other distros and that might be a better option. what exactly you want to achieve? |
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| 07:42.11 | lope | I'll try just mount, chroot and and run the installer |
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| 07:54.21 | alkisg | lope: note that the installer won't be able to replace files that are in use, so if you boot from / and try to install to /, it can't work |
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| 08:14.17 | lope | alkisg, thanks, not a problem, the disks I'll install to are not in use. |
| 08:14.32 | lope | okay I'm going to start now :) |
| 08:16.10 | ratrace | lope: take a look at debootstrap, it's way easier to achieve such installations |
| 08:17.02 | lope | Why are there no firmware netinstall images here? https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 08:17.22 | lope | ratrace, I've debootstrapped a bunch of times, but it's more work than this situation warrants |
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| 08:17.58 | diogenes_ | !firmware iso |
| 08:17.59 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 08:18.20 | lope | Thanks |
| 08:18.59 | ratrace | lope: it's literally the same amount of work + partitioning |
| 08:19.54 | lope | it's definitely not |
| 08:19.58 | lope | I've debootstrapped many times |
| 08:20.02 | lope | the installer is much easier |
| 08:20.09 | lope | need to do a raid install etc as well |
| 08:20.24 | lope | you can think what you like, I've done both many times and have my opinions. |
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| 08:21.06 | ratrace | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 08:27.59 | lope | so I've mounted the iso |
| 08:28.09 | lope | there's no obvious installer to run |
| 08:28.24 | lope | there's install.amd dir |
| 08:28.38 | lope | that contains initrd.gz and vmlinuz |
| 08:28.45 | lope | which is what the grub menu refers to |
| 08:29.02 | lope | (I looked through /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 08:29.26 | ratrace | !enter |
| 08:29.26 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 08:29.48 | ratrace | also; you could've debootstrapped it three times by now since you first asked an hour ago; just sayin' |
| 08:30.10 | lope | I've been looking after my baby for the last hour, just saying, but thanks for the hypothetical. |
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| 08:31.54 | mrig | Oh so happy to find that my keyboard issue has nothing to do with debian :) |
| 08:32.58 | mrig | Fixed by loosening and re tightening a screw, but that does not bode so well for the future of the keyboard ... |
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| 08:47.37 | aZz7eCh | guys, sudo apt-get remove libreoffice-core <-- last time i ran any command trying to remove the default libre office, it ripped gnome and EVERYTHIGN out of my system ... I need to attack this again now.. should this work fine or is there a reason it would have compeltely removed gnome adn eveyrthing else last time i tried this 1-2 years ago |
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| 08:49.20 | colo-work | I have a host running jessie, its locale in my interactive ssh session is "POSIX". my terminal emulator, running on buster, is unicode-aware, and I can enter characters outside ASCII without problems in a local shell session. if I ssh to the jessie/POSIX host, I get "weird" (feels like control-character related troubles) behaviour when entering German umlauts, even if I switch to an UTF-8 locale. what am I doing wrong? |
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| 08:52.10 | diogenes_ | aZz7eCh, that's normal thing in gnome, it's binded to everything, you remove one small thing and it drags the entire system behind it. |
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| 08:57.40 | jim | hi... what graphics toolkit does d-i use |
| 08:57.42 | jim | ? |
| 09:02.49 | ratrace | aZz7eCh: it shouldn't, i have libreoffice here and no trace of gnome |
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| 09:03.10 | ratrace | aZz7eCh: you sure that wasn't autoremove or something? |
| 09:04.04 | aZz7eCh | ratrace, well ... doesn't matter now. i didn't realise i could happily run newer version of libreoffice right alongside the installed one |
| 09:04.29 | ratrace | colo-work: export LANG="de_DE.UTF-8" or whatever the locale you want, via shell rc, or allow ssh to accept env hints from your client for LANG and LC_* ; also make sure the locale is enabled on the server |
| 09:04.31 | aZz7eCh | just installed it now and can now reuse all our work sheets |
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| 09:04.46 | ratrace | aZz7eCh: what do you mean? |
| 09:04.59 | aZz7eCh | i downloaded the .deb's from libre's website for the most recent version |
| 09:05.04 | aZz7eCh | and simply installed it |
| 09:05.17 | aZz7eCh | it doesn't seem to care about the existing install, and now our spreadsheets work again |
| 09:05.21 | colo-work | ratrace, the point is, why cannot I set the new locale interactively in my remote shell session? |
| 09:05.39 | colo-work | (it works when I put the very same definition in my .bash_profile) |
| 09:05.41 | ratrace | colo-work: export LANG="de_DE.UTF-8" |
| 09:06.00 | colo-work | I know how to do this ;) |
| 09:06.08 | ratrace | then I don't get your problem |
| 09:07.07 | ratrace | aZz7eCh: if the package is named differently and doesn't clobber files from other packages, it should be okay , but keep track of it and update when needed |
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| 09:11.09 | aZz7eCh | if i knew how to roll back the last update to libreoffice only, in my debian stretch, i would just do that. |
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| 09:16.47 | aZz7eCh | ratrace, it seems to have installed as entirely separate to the installed one. For example, i can right click my spreadsheet files and tell them to open in LO6.2, or the default LO. i can also see that its has installed it under /opt/libreoffice6.2 |
| 09:17.24 | ratrace | aZz7eCh: yes, which is good |
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| 09:19.17 | ratrace | aZz7eCh: you could roll back your main repo libreoffice by installing the deb from here: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/libreoffice/ |
| 09:19.31 | ratrace | if that's really what you want, keep in mind the latest update is a security fix |
| 09:19.59 | ratrace | maybe you're really better of running the .deb from libreoffice directly :: assuming it doesn't mess with other packages, dependencies or system files |
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| 09:22.35 | aZz7eCh | yeah i dont mind running the latest version thats for sure ... :) good a fix as rolling back the security fix that broke it all. |
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| 09:52.17 | gidna | Hello |
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| 09:53.18 | gidna | can I install debian 10 with Icewm not with other WM? |
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| 09:54.49 | ratrace | gidna: it's in the packages so i'd say yes |
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| 09:56.24 | gidna | ratrace: so during the installation can avoid to install GNOME and the others and chose icewm? |
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| 09:57.52 | colo-work | just don't select any desktop environment in tasksel, and install your wm of choice manually, after the basic, text-only installation has completed |
| 09:58.09 | ratrace | gidna: i don't know if icewm is available in the installation menu, but you can always install without desktop and then build it up as you wish |
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| 10:00.27 | gidna | Could the installation withouth desktop compromise the functionality of other packages? |
| 10:01.07 | colo-work | not really, given that you can always install a "full" desktop environment by invoking tasksel again |
| 10:01.14 | colo-work | exactly like d-i would do it |
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| 10:02.56 | gidna | can I download the ISO without desktop environment ? |
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| 10:03.28 | colo-work | you can download the netinstall ISO, but that will require a working internet uplink during installation |
| 10:03.37 | colo-work | it does not include any of the desktops |
| 10:03.47 | patterson | why of why |
| 10:03.50 | patterson | oh |
| 10:04.11 | patterson | A tiny memory space? |
| 10:04.48 | gidna | so with netinstall I could install icewm.. |
| 10:05.11 | humpled | yup |
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| 10:06.52 | patterson | Make the install with gentoo on athore box? |
| 10:07.21 | patterson | What ever the modern iso maker is |
| 10:09.16 | ratrace | patterson: what |
| 10:09.19 | gidna | I have a x86 processor what have I to select amd64 ? |
| 10:09.54 | EoflaOE | gidna: What processor? AMD/Intel? |
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| 10:11.54 | patterson | What is the tool to make a custom Debian install |
| 10:12.07 | themill | apt. |
| 10:12.12 | patterson | Then stick it on a usb |
| 10:12.23 | ratrace | debootstrap? |
| 10:12.25 | patterson | If it's a constrained environement |
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| 10:13.51 | gidna | I have a x86 intel i3 processor what have I to select amd64 ? |
| 10:14.07 | patterson | sits on hands |
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| 10:16.08 | EoflaOE | gidna: You can select amd64 because your processor supports it. It's your choice. |
| 10:16.44 | gidna | there are multiple choices here: https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 10:16.50 | gidna | I don't know what's mine |
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| 10:18.30 | ratrace | gidna: amd64 unless your cpu is still 32-bit nly |
| 10:18.35 | EoflaOE | gidna: So your processor supports i386 and amd64. But I recommend amd64 |
| 10:19.12 | gidna | it's an intel i3 of about 7 years ago |
| 10:19.17 | SwedeMike | gidna: if your processor supports 64bit then install 64bit. You should have very specific reasons to choose 32bit. |
| 10:19.27 | SwedeMike | gidna: then it'll have 64bit support. |
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| 10:20.08 | SwedeMike | gidna: https://www.engadget.com/2019/06/24/canonical-ubuntu-linux-32-bit-support/ canonical is toying with dropping 32bit support so installing 32bit OS now without good reason is shortsighted. |
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| 10:23.38 | patterson | Could say that in the install (recommended) |
| 10:24.29 | gidna | Does debian 10 come with gtk3 or 2? |
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| 10:24.56 | ratrace | patterson: are you a bot? |
| 10:25.11 | patterson | Call me Eliza |
| 10:26.25 | iLogic | ratrace: damn, turing test dat! |
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| 10:27.05 | patterson | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loebner_Prize |
| 10:27.14 | ratrace | iLogic: it failed it so far by talking to itself with incoherent sentences. |
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| 10:27.58 | patterson | All I meant was the install text shoould point to the best option |
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| 10:28.57 | rain1 | how do I turn off the screen locker in debian xfce? |
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| 10:30.37 | voager | hi |
| 10:30.47 | humpled | i'd guess menu-settings-session_and_startup |
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| 10:31.25 | humpled | untick screen locker and maybe screensaver too |
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| 10:34.40 | gidna | I need to know what version of gtk comes with debian 10 |
| 10:35.20 | Haohmaru | my uneducated nose says "2 and 3" |
| 10:35.41 | ratrace | gidna: gtk3 where applicable |
| 10:36.28 | gidna | I need to install amule which is not working well with version 3 on my system |
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| 10:37.38 | ratrace | gidna: your fedora system? |
| 10:38.28 | gidna | ratrace: exaclty that on fedora 29 it worked well 'cause it has gtk2 but f30 with gtk3 no |
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| 10:39.23 | ratrace | !info amule |
| 10:39.29 | dpkg | amule: (client for the eD2k and Kad networks, like eMule), section net, is optional. Version: 1:2.3.2-5+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 1822 kB, Installed size: 5833 kB |
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| 10:39.57 | ratrace | no amule on stable debian though |
| 10:40.50 | gidna | so Is it amule unstable also on debian 10?? |
| 10:40.57 | ratrace | no, wait, my bad |
| 10:40.59 | ratrace | ,v amule |
| 10:41.00 | judd | Package: amule on amd64 -- stretch: 1:2.3.2-1+b2; bullseye: 1:2.3.2-5; buster: 1:2.3.2-5; sid: 1:2.3.2-5+b1 |
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| 10:44.29 | gidna | Are there known bugs? |
| 10:44.44 | sach | !info virt-manager |
| 10:44.46 | dpkg | virt-manager: (desktop application for managing virtual machines), section admin, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 884 kB, Installed size: 6770 kB |
| 10:45.00 | sach | ,!info virt-manager |
| 10:45.10 | sach | ,v virt-manager |
| 10:45.12 | judd | Package: virt-manager on amd64 -- jessie: 1:1.0.1-5; stretch: 1:1.4.0-5; bullseye: 1:2.0.0-3; buster: 1:2.0.0-3; sid: 1:2.0.0-3 |
| 10:46.35 | ratrace | gidna: apparently there aren't any open bug reports for amule on debian bug tracker |
| 10:47.32 | gidna | ratrace: this a very good news |
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| 10:48.00 | ratrace | gidna: or bad, depending on the context |
| 10:48.28 | gidna | what Do you mean? |
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| 10:51.39 | Haohmaru | a dark scenario where the given thing has no bugs reported cuz nobody akchually uses it or cares to report any bugs |
| 10:52.10 | ratrace | that ; i just couldn't find words to describe it :) |
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| 12:01.39 | lope | does anyone know how to manually start the debian installer? |
| 12:01.54 | lope | without a reboot? |
| 12:02.10 | Haohmaru | maybe i know a way |
| 12:02.20 | Haohmaru | does a shutdown count? >:) |
| 12:02.43 | SwedeMike | lope: what is it you're trying to do exactly? |
| 12:03.08 | lope | SwedeMike, install debian on a remote server from a recovery console |
| 12:03.22 | lope | I'd prefer to do it via the installer than debootstrap |
| 12:03.24 | Haohmaru | aww |
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| 12:08.51 | abrotman | lope: that's what debootstrap is for |
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| 12:08.58 | finn0 | When I try to open gparted (sudo gparted-pkexec) it shows "segmentation fault" error message on terminal and closes the window. I checked journalctl and found nothing about what's the cause of the problem. Is there any options available in `gparted` to print verbse log? |
| 12:09.30 | Habbie | 'segmentation fault' tends to mean you hit a bug in a program |
| 12:09.49 | Habbie | (very seldomly it is a hardware problem instead) |
| 12:10.07 | finn0 | Habbie: can check what is the cause of the problem? |
| 12:10.34 | Habbie | finn0, there is no simple answer to that question, and it can be a lot of work |
| 12:10.47 | Habbie | finn0, you could strace it to see what it did just before it crashed, that may or may not give you a useful hint |
| 12:10.51 | rawtaz | i guess the first thing is; can you reproduce it at will? |
| 12:10.52 | finn0 | Habbie: Should I report bug? |
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| 12:25.47 | finn0 | Now, working. Partition table of a flash drive was corrupted. |
| 12:26.05 | finn0 | Thanks, Habbie rawtaz |
| 12:28.03 | finn0 | but, nothing was weired depsite of after ejecting that flash drive why `gparted` wasn't working? |
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| 12:28.33 | finn0 | *one thing is weird |
| 12:28.55 | rawtaz | wasnt working how? |
| 12:29.08 | idle- | Looking for some advise wrt lvm think pool metadata sizing |
| 12:29.10 | lope | debian-installer-launcher ERROR: 'kexec' is not a valid plugin. Check and try again. |
| 12:29.14 | idle- | anyone have a suggestion on a resource I can read |
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| 12:29.26 | idle- | been trying to google for something but am not having much luck |
| 12:29.31 | lope | abrotman, actually it's what debian-live-installer is for ;) |
| 12:30.29 | rabbitear_sdf | idle-: gparted? |
| 12:30.49 | finn0 | rawtaz: means at time I was getting `segmentation fault` |
| 12:30.52 | idle- | rabbitear_sdf: I'm doing everyone from the cli |
| 12:30.54 | rabbitear_sdf | idle-: download the image to usb if you want |
| 12:31.08 | idle- | rabbitear_sdf: I think you have me confused with someone else |
| 12:31.17 | idle- | it's just a general question, not related to the install of an os |
| 12:31.39 | rabbitear_sdf | idle-: gparted will resize any lvm |
| 12:32.00 | idle- | rabbitear_sdf: I don't dispute that |
| 12:32.10 | abrotman | lope: I never recommend the Live installer, good luck |
| 12:32.13 | rawtaz | finn0: ah |
| 12:32.40 | idle- | rabbitear_sdf: what I'm trying to figure out is if I have 800GB allocated to a thinpool, how much space should be reserved for metadata |
| 12:32.52 | idle- | approximately |
| 12:33.19 | rabbitear_sdf | oh, dunno |
| 12:33.40 | idle- | rabbitear_sdf: it's a tricky question |
| 12:34.27 | idle- | autoextend is frowned upon as the admin should be able to determine it manually |
| 12:34.35 | idle- | however I can't find a good "rule of thumb" |
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| 12:36.06 | rabbitear_sdf | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/34864468/docker-lvm-thinpool-meta-data-sizing |
| 12:37.23 | idle- | rabbitear_sdf: merci |
| 12:37.32 | idle- | if 16GB is the max, then that is what I shall use |
| 12:37.43 | idle- | I have space to burn |
| 12:38.15 | rabbitear_sdf | assuming that post is correct |
| 12:39.46 | idle- | rabbitear_sdf: I can confirm that the max lvm metadata size is ~16GB |
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| 12:39.59 | idle- | hadn't thought about going to the max |
| 12:40.27 | humpled | in deb9 gparted is launched with "pkexec /usr/sbin/gparted", what is this "sudo gparted-kexec" thing finn0 ? |
| 12:43.16 | humpled | oh it's a shell script saying: pkexec "/usr/sbin/gparted" "$@" |
| 12:44.18 | idle- | 1.2% of 880GB brings me to 10.5G anyways |
| 12:44.35 | idle- | better than the 4MB that lvcreate initially used |
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| 12:48.02 | finn0 | humpled: it's gparted-pkexec. I think pkexec helps application to launch as with sudoers privilege. |
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| 12:48.33 | humpled | i see it works with sudo in deb9, still wouldn't use it that way though |
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| 12:49.26 | finn0 | when I type gparted and press tab its auto-completed to gparted-pkexec. |
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| 12:50.40 | horribleprogram | Where are the official ISOs |
| 12:50.51 | humpled | horribleprogram: on the internet |
| 12:50.56 | finn0 | humpled: well, I also tried sudo gparted which also didn't worked. |
| 12:50.57 | horribleprogram | humpled: don't do that |
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| 12:51.14 | humpled | why do you want to use sudo though finn0 ? |
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| 12:51.33 | dvs | !debian iso |
| 12:51.43 | horribleprogram | https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 12:51.50 | horribleprogram | what's this netinst type thing? |
| 12:52.17 | dvs | horribleprogram, for those people who have ready access to the internet during installation |
| 12:52.31 | dvs | (which is nearly everyone) |
| 12:52.39 | horribleprogram | dvs: I see, that's why the .iso is only 334MB |
| 12:52.55 | horribleprogram | Now, it's been about 2 years since I did this process |
| 12:52.59 | dvs | horribleprogram, yes. The only caveat is if you are doing it through wireless |
| 12:53.10 | horribleprogram | dvs: wait, I need a wired connection? |
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| 12:53.42 | horribleprogram | It's not a problem, jw |
| 12:53.51 | finn0 | humpled: because gparted requires sudoer's privilege to run. Please correct me if I'm wrong? |
| 12:53.51 | dvs | horribleprogram, chances are that a wireless network card needs extra firmware which isn't included in that ISO |
| 12:53.58 | horribleprogram | dvs: makes sense |
| 12:54.07 | humpled | that is what pkexec is for though finn0 |
| 12:55.11 | horribleprogram | dvs: In the installation pdf on Debian, it says "Debian CD and DVD images can now be written directly to a USB stick" |
| 12:55.22 | finn0 | humpled: it's the same thing either I provide password earlier or later. |
| 12:55.24 | horribleprogram | you seriously just have to cp the iso to the usb? |
| 12:55.36 | dvs | horribleprogram, yup |
| 12:55.47 | horribleprogram | because I remember doing some dd thingy |
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| 12:55.54 | horribleprogram | dvs: iight lol |
| 12:56.00 | ratrace | horribleprogram: yes you can literally cp /your.iso /dev/sdX where X is the usb thingy device |
| 12:56.01 | dvs | horribleprogram, but it will erase anything currently on the USB drive |
| 12:56.10 | horribleprogram | it's a fresh USB |
| 12:56.23 | horribleprogram | well, it's a fresh micro SD that uses a USB adapter |
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| 12:57.58 | horribleprogram | hmm, I don't have lsusb on my macOS |
| 12:58.15 | finn0 | horribleprogram: dd also do the same thing (copy) |
| 12:58.27 | horribleprogram | is there a way to find which /dev/ file is the USB? |
| 12:58.40 | finn0 | horribleprogram: fdisk -l |
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| 12:59.06 | humpled | gparted-pkexec is not even in buster |
| 12:59.09 | dvs | horribleprogram, lsblk |
| 12:59.09 | finn0 | may be you need sudo permission. |
| 12:59.24 | horribleprogram | nah these aren't BSD commands |
| 12:59.37 | horribleprogram | fdisk is, but it doesn't have the -l option on BSD |
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| 13:00.48 | ratrace | horribleprogram: so wait, you're asking for help on how to use your bsd in #debian? |
| 13:00.56 | horribleprogram | *sigh* i'll just drag the .iso into the USB device that's on my desktop |
| 13:00.56 | horribleprogram | like a noob |
| 13:01.20 | horribleprogram | well, how to copy the debian .iso to a USB on a macOS |
| 13:01.24 | finn0 | horribleprogram: could you check man page there must be a similar option(for ex. --list) present? |
| 13:01.47 | ratrace | horribleprogram: dmesg and you'll see the device at/near the end of teh output, if you plugged it in just before that |
| 13:02.05 | horribleprogram | ratrace: ahh I'm a dumbass, ty :D |
| 13:02.13 | luna | MariaDB and MySQL on Debian meeting now |
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| 13:02.40 | horribleprogram | finn0: it would probably be something like diskutil list |
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| 13:03.14 | horribleprogram | finn0: but I already cp'd the .iso |
| 13:03.27 | finn0 | horribleprogram: Then fine. |
| 13:03.43 | humpled | :þ |
| 13:04.04 | dvs | horribleprogram, you dragged and dropped the .iso onto the USB? |
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| 13:04.38 | horribleprogram | dvs: sadly, yes :) |
| 13:04.52 | dvs | horribleprogram, that won't work |
| 13:05.21 | horribleprogram | "Debian CD and DVD images can now be written directly to a USB stick" |
| 13:05.32 | horribleprogram | dragging and dropping is a GUI equivalent to cp |
| 13:05.40 | dvs | horribleprogram, no, not in this case. |
| 13:05.42 | FinalX | yes, directly, raw 1-on-1, not on top of a filesystem |
| 13:05.45 | finn0 | horribleprogram: is it unpacked in USB? |
| 13:05.48 | FinalX | or extracted from the iso |
| 13:05.50 | ratrace | on linux, yes, the cp command does it |
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| 13:06.20 | ratrace | we have no clue :: i have no clue :: what your freedom violating not-really-bsd macos is doing there :) |
| 13:06.48 | horribleprogram | LOL |
| 13:07.09 | horribleprogram | i'll try it |
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| 13:07.23 | horribleprogram | dvs: but when you drag and drop an .iso, obviously you just see the .iso |
| 13:07.36 | horribleprogram | dvs: it's not like dragging and dropping created a folder structure onto the USB |
| 13:08.00 | dvs | horribleprogram, exactly but that's not what you're suppose to see if you copy it "correctly" |
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| 13:08.45 | horribleprogram | iight then, like ratrace said, I'll move to #macosx for the proper way to write it |
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| 13:08.58 | dvs | horribleprogram, good idea |
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| 13:09.32 | Saturday | hello |
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| 13:11.44 | lope | i'm busy making a raid array. I've made 'fd' code primary partitions at /dev/sdc1 and /dev/sdd1 . Now when I tried to create the array mdadm says: Note: this array has metadata at the start and may not be suitable as a boot device. If you plan to store '/boot' on thisdevice please ensure that your boot-loader understands md/v1.x metadata, or use --metadata=0.90 |
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| 13:13.45 | ratrace | lope: i think grub these days understands mdadm v1.x metadata just fine |
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| 13:14.01 | ratrace | but if you want to be 100% sure, just do what it says |
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| 13:21.23 | lope | ratrace, yeah, apparently it's fine, so I said yes |
| 13:21.26 | horribleprogram | dvs, ratrace: Just a heads-up, if anyone wants to copy the .iso image to a USB on macOS, https://zerotoroot.me/create-bootable-debian-usb-drive-macos/ this is the perfect guide. Basically, you have to convert the .iso to an .img |
| 13:21.29 | lope | new metadata is good metadata |
| 13:21.36 | lope | unless it's you know who's metadata |
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| 13:22.17 | humpled | convert :þ |
| 13:22.39 | dvs | horribleprogram, convert it to an .img file? Interesting... |
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| 13:23.34 | horribleprogram | dvs: also you're right, in my case, my network card has "non-free firmware files' |
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| 13:23.49 | horribleprogram | iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode, so you gotta go wired |
| 13:24.10 | dvs | horribleprogram, or use the nonfree ISO |
| 13:24.21 | horribleprogram | WHY |
| 13:24.24 | horribleprogram | DIDNT YOU MENTION THAT |
| 13:24.51 | dvs | horribleprogram, you said using a wired connection wouldn't be a problem so I left it alone |
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| 13:25.03 | dvs | !firmware iso |
| 13:25.03 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 13:25.24 | BCMM | horribleprogram: why does that guide convert the format first? if you're just going to dd it, shouldn't a plain iso be fine? (since debian's iso are hybrids) |
| 13:25.38 | BCMM | is apple's dd weird somehow? |
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| 13:27.25 | ratrace | BCMM: in short? tl;dr? yes. |
| 13:27.57 | BCMM | so it looks and feels like plain old dd, that just copies data from if to of, but it actually only understands proprietary apple image formats? |
| 13:28.05 | horribleprogram | dvs: I had to get up from my chair, bring the laptop I'm installing Debian on to my router, and connect an ethernet cable NOT only to the router's port, but my laptop's port |
| 13:28.17 | horribleprogram | dvs: :D |
| 13:28.26 | horribleprogram | BCMM: yeah probably |
| 13:28.31 | dvs | Oh the horror! |
| 13:28.35 | horribleprogram | lolol |
| 13:28.38 | BCMM | ratrace: or is it macos's block device interface that's weird? |
| 13:28.43 | BCMM | either way it doesn't make much sense |
| 13:29.22 | ratrace | it doesn't, but that's macos for ya; over priced heap of bling |
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| 13:31.08 | horribleprogram | ^ |
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| 13:36.07 | lope | is this still necessary these days? |
| 13:36.08 | lope | debootstrap --second-stage |
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| 13:36.27 | lope | howcome when I debootstrap the debootstrapper doesn't install the debootstrap package into the new install? |
| 13:37.53 | FinalX | or extracted from the iso |
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| 13:37.56 | FinalX | oops |
| 13:38.02 | FinalX | accidental arrow up + enter :p |
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| 13:50.50 | zodd | in Debian packages exist like php-dev and python-dev which hold tools like php-config and python-config |
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| 13:51.24 | zodd | these can be used to query desired GCC parameters for building extensions. Does such a thing also exist for Perl ? |
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| 13:51.36 | zodd | (if so, in which package please) |
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| 13:54.03 | greycat | zodd: I'm not really a perl guy, but checking two perl modules I happen to have lying around, they both use something called "ExtUtils::MakeMaker" in their Makefile.PL files. |
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| 13:55.08 | deadrom | hi |
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| 13:56.43 | deadrom | gparted live, deb10 based, wrong keyb layout. loadkeys de says "couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console" |
| 13:57.03 | zodd | greycat, thanks. I was hoping I could easily retrieve the config from a bash script, but doing it from perl might be an option too. (I am also not really a perl guy) |
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| 14:04.32 | zodd | found some docs: gcc -c `perl -MConfig -e 'print join(" ", @Config{qw(ccflags optimize cccdlflags)}, "-I$Config{archlib}/CORE")'` |
| 14:05.13 | lope | can someone help me with debootstrap please? |
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| 14:14.45 | ratrace | lope: what about it? |
| 14:15.24 | ChrisH | How do I mount a SMB share via KDE GUI stuff? CLI is no problem, I need the GUI way this time. :( |
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| 14:17.21 | lope | ratrace, it seems my experience with debootstrap is outdated |
| 14:17.26 | lope | I tried to run the 2nd stage |
| 14:17.34 | lope | but that seems to be an obsolete step these days? |
| 14:17.55 | ksk | lope: what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:18.16 | lope | ksk debootstrap install debian from a linux recovery environment on a remote dedi |
| 14:18.30 | lope | I've completed the debootstrap |
| 14:18.33 | ksk | !debootstrap |
| 14:18.33 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 14:18.52 | ratrace | lope: i never used it and the manpage says it's about installing across architectures |
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| 14:19.06 | ratrace | --second-stage option is what i mean |
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| 14:19.43 | ksk | lope: see the attached links, if I remember correctly Ive never used second stage, iirc its just "debootstrap, chroot, install grub" |
| 14:19.59 | lope | ratrace, ksk yaeh I looked at the link, all seems fine |
| 14:20.03 | lope | except grub install fails |
| 14:20.15 | ratrace | debootstrap, chroot, install grub, setup fstab, root pass, and if that's remote server, ssh access |
| 14:20.18 | lope | grub-install /dev/sdc |
| 14:20.20 | ksk | !tell lope about paste |
| 14:20.24 | lope | grub-install: error: disk `md0' not found. |
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| 14:20.43 | ratrace | lope: that's inside the chroot? |
| 14:20.49 | lope | yes inside the chroot |
| 14:20.54 | lope | with sys proc and dev bind mounted |
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| 14:21.10 | ksk | Did you install $tools-needed-for-md-foo inside the chroot? |
| 14:21.15 | ratrace | lope: pastebin /proc/mounts please |
| 14:21.31 | ratrace | and yea you'll need to install mdadm |
| 14:21.50 | CrystalMath | holy cow |
| 14:21.54 | lope | https://www.hastebin.com/asutuyuciv.coffeescript |
| 14:21.59 | CrystalMath | i didn't even realize 10 got released |
| 14:22.09 | greycat | couple weeks ago |
| 14:22.12 | lope | ratrace, aaah great thinking, I forgot to install mdadm |
| 14:22.12 | CrystalMath | yeah |
| 14:22.26 | CrystalMath | is it a seamless upgrade? |
| 14:22.36 | lope | ratrace, you beauty, grub install succeeded |
| 14:22.52 | ratrace | lope: ksk mentioned it first |
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| 14:23.14 | lope | ksk, oh, I didn't stop your "-md-" in foo |
| 14:23.18 | lope | spot |
| 14:23.27 | kreyren | !v nvidia-driver |
| 14:23.37 | ksk | I will work on my wording ;) |
| 14:23.39 | CrystalMath | will try to upgrade :) |
| 14:23.39 | kreyren | eh |
| 14:23.41 | ratrace | kreyren: ,v |
| 14:23.45 | kreyren | ,v nvidia-driver |
| 14:23.46 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.116-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; bullseye/non-free: 418.74-1; buster/non-free: 418.74-1; sid/non-free: 418.74-1; experimental/non-free: 430.34-1 |
| 14:23.47 | kreyren | ty |
| 14:23.47 | CrystalMath | wish me luck |
| 14:24.03 | ksk | CrystalMath: as always, do read the release notes.. |
| 14:24.15 | ksk | !tell CrystalMath about Jessie->Buster |
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| 14:24.36 | ksk | eh, corrected that in query to the bot.. |
| 14:25.39 | CrystalMath | i'll read the whole release notes |
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| 14:26.40 | kreyren | How do i overwrite debian-specific modprobe for nvidia-driver? https://pastebin.com/raw/WaSgqKFA it seems to look for nvidia-current which is wrong for custom kernel |
| 14:27.17 | kreyren | and i have required modules in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
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| 14:27.26 | horribleprogram | hmm very interesting |
| 14:27.50 | horribleprogram | "Installation step failed: An installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else. The failing step is Select and install software" |
| 14:28.10 | horribleprogram | the base system was installed correctly, Internet works, maybe the debian repo is down or something/ |
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| 14:28.54 | kreyren | found /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia.conf |
| 14:28.55 | kreyren | solved |
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| 14:30.15 | greycat | horribleprogram: there should be a log on Ctrl-Alt-F4 if it's like the stretch installer |
| 14:30.25 | greycat | or maybe that was -F3 |
| 14:30.32 | lope | ksk, ratrace: one thing nobody mentoined, I forgot to install a kernel, lucky i remembered now |
| 14:30.33 | horribleprogram | greycat: ALT+F4 is a common trolling keyboard shortcut to quit a gamae |
| 14:30.48 | horribleprogram | greycat: but I know you, and I doubt you're trolling, hold up |
| 14:30.54 | greycat | horribleprogram: Ctrl-Alt-F4 in Linux switches to the 4th Linux virtual console, tty4. |
| 14:31.03 | annadane | not alt f4, control alt f4 |
| 14:31.09 | jmcnaught | lope: are you following the install manual chapter on debootstrap? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.en.html |
| 14:31.29 | kreyren | ,v linux |
| 14:31.30 | judd | No package named 'linux' was found in amd64. |
| 14:31.37 | lope | no not really, I'll look it over jmcnaught |
| 14:31.39 | annadane | kreyren, /msg judd kernels |
| 14:31.53 | jmcnaught | lope: probably better to read it than forget other steps |
| 14:31.56 | AlpacaFace | Im seeing some interesting things with the nvidia-driver. Im able to still use the intel tear free xorg setting and yet still have access to my nvidia card (both onboard and external; with cuda toolkit) and can use nvidia-smi. Although nvidia-settings does not load. Not sure why I couldnt get nvidia-settings working. Even before the intel options in xorg.conf.d |
| 14:31.57 | lope | jmcnaught, to be on the safe side I'm going to compare the list of installed packages to a working deb10 system |
| 14:32.09 | lope | jmcnaught, for sure |
| 14:32.26 | horribleprogram | greycat: how do I get back to the graphical terminal |
| 14:32.32 | kreyren | annadane, ty |
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| 14:32.59 | CrystalMath | why is there a difference between apt-get upgrade and apt upgrade? |
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| 14:33.09 | greycat | horribleprogram: keep trying various other Ctrl-Alt-Fx until you find it |
| 14:33.19 | lope | oh I seeeeeeeeeeeee: "If the target architecture is different from the host, you need to finish the multi-stage boot strap: " |
| 14:33.19 | horribleprogram | greycat: I am lol |
| 14:33.29 | lope | So that's why I didn't have a second stage |
| 14:33.37 | greycat | horribleprogram: traditionally it's probably either 1 or 7 |
| 14:33.40 | lope | That was confusing... I will note that for sure. |
| 14:33.50 | horribleprogram | greycat: nvm found it, it's CTRL+ALT+F5.. |
| 14:34.10 | greycat | CrystalMath: the main difference is "apt upgrade" will install new dependencies, and "apt-get upgrade" won't |
| 14:34.41 | greycat | horribleprogram: nice to know. I don't use the installer very often. |
| 14:35.02 | horribleprogram | greycat: same, last time I did this process was like 2 years ago |
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| 14:35.35 | lope | I'm confused about this makedev stuff https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.en.html |
| 14:35.43 | lope | I've never installed makedev before |
| 14:35.57 | lope | but I see it doesn't seem necessary. I always bind mount dev into the chroot |
| 14:36.02 | lope | So I'm going to remove makedev |
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| 14:36.36 | horribleprogram | greycat: the F4 terminal shows a bunch of dpkg dependency problems, I'll try to fix this by specifying not to install ssh server, print server, etc |
| 14:36.45 | ratrace | lope: i have a script i wrote for that, i install servers only with debootstrap because of encrypted root |
| 14:37.20 | horribleprogram | oh I see the problem |
| 14:37.22 | lope | unrelated server: i've setup a laptop as a headless server, and it put itself to sleep now. How do I prevent that from ever happening? |
| 14:37.43 | horribleprogram | this laptop already had debian on it, "attempting to install to unclean target" how do I fix this |
| 14:38.00 | horribleprogram | like Files exist already, I wanted a fresh install |
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| 14:39.15 | horribleprogram | *sigh* i'll just play around, re partition things and whatnot |
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| 14:40.39 | kreyren | isn't there some more effective way to get linux-5.3.1 working on debian? it seems that i would need to make changes in apt build instructions for nvidia-drivers and it's dependencies for it to pull required modules correctly |
| 14:40.41 | EmleyMoor | has just proven USB sticks working right on his laptop |
| 14:40.49 | greycat | I'm not sure if there's a simple way to tell the installer to forcibly create a new file system on an existing partition |
| 14:41.01 | CrystalMath | greycat: okay, thanks, it's a bit unintuitive though |
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| 14:41.55 | horribleprogram | yeah ik grey |
| 14:42.14 | EmleyMoor | kreyren, why do you want that kernel? |
| 14:42.57 | kreyren | EmleyMoor, because my debian bullseye is rescue OS for gentoo/exherbo and debian's kernel is wasting space on a disk + Fair scheduler is the worst thing that happend to linux |
| 14:43.30 | EmleyMoor | bullseye-related queries are better in #debian-next |
| 14:43.31 | jelly | kreyren, more effective than "make deb-pkg" |
| 14:43.32 | jelly | ? |
| 14:43.40 | kreyren | (expecting muQSS) |
| 14:44.00 | kreyren | jelly, meaning? i can build 5.3.1-git agains current tree? |
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| 14:44.20 | jelly | what current tree |
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| 14:44.30 | kreyren | ,v linux-image |
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| 14:44.31 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64. |
| 14:44.38 | greycat | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 14:44.39 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u5; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u7; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9+80+deb9u8; stretch-backports: 4.19+105~bpo9+1; bullseye: 4.19+105; buster: 4.19+105; sid: 4.19+105 |
| 14:44.42 | kreyren | meh since current tree has 4.19 max |
| 14:44.53 | greycat | there isn't a "tree" |
| 14:45.43 | EmleyMoor | Unless you go to experimental, you won't find anything newer ready built |
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| 14:45.48 | jelly | kreyren, all you need to do is get the source for whichever kernel you prefer, configure it, and run "make deb-pkg" |
| 14:46.06 | EmleyMoor | You can roll your own, as jelly says |
| 14:46.24 | greycat | jelly roll |
| 14:46.28 | jelly | upstream has code that creates linux-image-foo.deb and linux-headers-foo.deb |
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| 14:46.45 | EmleyMoor | says "morton" for good measure |
| 14:46.54 | kreyren | jelly, checking, but that wont resolve deps (primus,bumblebee) |
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| 14:47.43 | jelly | kreyren, what kind of deps are you missing? |
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| 14:48.03 | jelly | dkms just needs headers available _somehow_, they don't need to be packaged at all |
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| 14:48.50 | kreyren | primus and bumblebee it seems assuming that nvidia module is loaded and it outputs err if app is prefixed with `optirun` |
| 14:49.02 | kreyren | booted 4.19-debian atm |
| 14:49.20 | jelly | and what's the problem with that assumption? |
| 14:49.21 | kreyren | jelly, my headers are packed within the kernel or does it need distro headers? |
| 14:49.38 | kreyren | will boot 5.2.0+ in 50 sec currently unsaved work |
| 14:49.49 | CrystalMath | ooh, my terminal font changed |
| 14:49.55 | greycat | the headers are created along with the kernel image |
| 14:49.57 | jelly | in any case, |
| 14:50.01 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 14:50.01 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:50.07 | kreyren | noted |
| 14:50.11 | kreyren | asked there already |
| 14:50.25 | jelly | good |
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| 14:50.30 | CrystalMath | i don't really like the extra font height but i just love upgrades |
| 14:50.44 | CrystalMath | i'll fix the height later :P |
| 14:51.07 | horribleprogram | greycat: it somehow worked, I had to make only 1 partition for the entire disk |
| 14:51.16 | horribleprogram | greycat: i like having /home on a different one, but oh well |
| 14:51.29 | dvs | horribleprogram, you can't have /home on a different partition? |
| 14:51.47 | greycat | apparently he's struggling to express to the installer what he wants |
| 14:51.59 | dvs | oh, I see |
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| 14:54.41 | lope | i've got a system that I installed recently that has no proc or sys in it's /etc/fstab is it okay to omit it? |
| 14:54.48 | lope | The installer made it that way |
| 14:54.59 | lope | I mean... it works |
| 14:55.06 | greycat | mine doesn't have them in /proc either |
| 14:55.12 | greycat | err in /etc/fstab |
| 14:55.17 | ratrace | lope: yes you don't need to explicitly list them, unless you want to change mount options |
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| 14:58.59 | lope | okay |
| 14:59.04 | lope | thanks ratrace |
| 15:00.37 | lope | can I figure out what my dedicated server's netmask should be by inspecting `ip addr show`? |
| 15:00.48 | lope | it's not in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:01.01 | greycat | "ip addr" will tell you what it *is*, but only your network admin knows what it *should* be |
| 15:01.19 | lope | greycat, well it would have been set by the rescue disk to the correct value |
| 15:01.22 | greycat | Most of the time, you're getting it from DHCP. |
| 15:01.32 | lope | right now it shows my ipv4 IP with a /27 at the end |
| 15:01.40 | lope | but I don't know what that means in normal numbers |
| 15:01.48 | greycat | it means you're on a relatively small subnet |
| 15:01.59 | greycat | 30 hosts maximum |
| 15:02.01 | lope | my server is likely in a vlan |
| 15:02.10 | ratrace | 255.255.255.224 |
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| 15:05.10 | lope | cool. Do I need to install anything for vlans to be supported? |
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| 15:18.07 | CrystalMath | i switched to a text console |
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| 15:18.57 | jhutchins_wk | lope: No, that's a combination of address and netmask. |
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| 15:19.19 | lope | okay |
| 15:19.52 | greycat | A vlan is just a fancy kind of subnet. You don't need to do anything special on the hosts. Just plug 'em in and make sure they use the right address/netmask. Since you're getting your address and netmask from DHCP, it's probably correct. |
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| 15:31.09 | GenTooMan | question if one adds a user to the sudo group does debian update the shell initialization script with the additional paths required for that? |
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| 15:32.38 | ratrace | GenTooMan: adding a user to group does not have any such side effects ; also, what additional paths do you think are "required" for sudo? |
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| 15:33.20 | GenTooMan | ratrace oh maybe /sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin ? |
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| 15:34.59 | AlpacaFace | Anyone here using Intel OpenCL successfully? |
| 15:36.23 | ratrace | GenTooMan: sudo itself does that for that session |
| 15:36.24 | GenTooMan | ratrace looks like the profile is setup correctly hmmm something else is wrong. Let me check if this is the same issue as with pip. |
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| 15:36.59 | ratrace | GenTooMan: hold on ; running pip as root? |
| 15:37.30 | Copenhagen_Bram | pip --user for the win |
| 15:37.34 | GenTooMan | ratrace no ... pip reports an error I am just checking if something is missing from PATH that is causing it. pip3 works correctly |
| 15:39.21 | greycat | Adding an existing user to an existing group is literally just changing one line in /etc/group. It has nothing to do with PATH variables. |
| 15:39.35 | CrystalMath | huh |
| 15:39.41 | CrystalMath | apt failed because |
| 15:39.42 | CrystalMath | some tar file |
| 15:39.45 | CrystalMath | could not be extracted |
| 15:39.49 | CrystalMath | turns out it was corrupted |
| 15:39.53 | CrystalMath | a redownload fixed it, but |
| 15:40.02 | CrystalMath | how the hell did security just let it pass? |
| 15:40.08 | CrystalMath | is there any GPG check at all? |
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| 15:41.07 | CrystalMath | i'm seriously concerned, because all this time i thought APT does some checking on the archives it downloads |
| 15:41.13 | ratrace | CrystalMath: all packages are signed, what are you doing exactly |
| 15:41.32 | CrystalMath | i'm doing a full-upgrade |
| 15:41.37 | CrystalMath | it failed |
| 15:41.47 | CrystalMath | because an archive could not be extracted |
| 15:41.49 | ratrace | with what error exactly |
| 15:41.54 | ratrace | !tell CrystalMath about paste |
| 15:41.54 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 15:42.18 | petn-randall | dpkg: are you alive? |
| 15:42.19 | dpkg | petn-randall: i haven't a clue |
| 15:42.23 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 15:42.23 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 15:42.31 | CrystalMath | corrupted filesystem tarfile in package archive: invalid tar header size field (Numerical result out of range) |
| 15:42.35 | CrystalMath | it's just one line |
| 15:42.35 | ratrace | petn-randall: it's rate limited, it probably messaged you about that |
| 15:42.36 | petn-randall | CrystalMath: Can you provide all of the info above? ^^^ |
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| 15:42.43 | GenTooMan | greycat ok ... just checking if magic happens |
| 15:42.59 | CrystalMath | petn-randall: no my scrollback buffer doesn't go that far |
| 15:43.12 | ratrace | GenTooMan: it happens but sudo does it, no shell rc is modified. look at env_reset in the sudo manpage, and login.defs |
| 15:43.32 | petn-randall | CrystalMath: Read the factoid again. |
| 15:44.59 | CrystalMath | https://paste.debian.net/1092774/ |
| 15:45.01 | CrystalMath | there |
| 15:45.34 | CrystalMath | the full output |
| 15:45.37 | petn-randall | *plonk* |
| 15:45.44 | GenTooMan | ratrace 1 thanks that helps. 2 pip (specifically) has an issue if ~/.local/bin is not in PATH, this is not done in the default profile |
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| 15:47.25 | ratrace | GenTooMan: i wouldn't use pip outside of a virtualenv, even with --user |
| 15:48.34 | CrystalMath | petn-randall: can you tell me what could have caused this error? |
| 15:48.42 | CrystalMath | i'm more curious why did it pass the GPG check |
| 15:48.54 | CrystalMath | note that i immediately did "apt clean" |
| 15:49.01 | CrystalMath | and apt --fix-broken install |
| 15:49.06 | CrystalMath | so i no longer experience the error |
| 15:49.26 | CrystalMath | i did not investigate, even though i wish i did |
| 15:49.42 | CrystalMath | can something be concluded from the little information i do have? |
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| 15:50.34 | CrystalMath | the policy (not the same as it was when the error occurred): https://paste.debian.net/1092777/ |
| 15:51.00 | CrystalMath | i'm not worried about THIS package though, i'm worried about all packages |
| 15:51.06 | CrystalMath | are they not checked with GPG? |
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| 15:53.21 | GenTooMan | ratrace point so I wonder if pydev is not setting up the virtual environment correctly it's using to run pip (it uses pip for to gather library information ... apparently) |
| 15:53.54 | CrystalMath | ratrace: is there a way i can test whether packages are being checked with GPG? |
| 15:54.11 | CrystalMath | or is the information i provided already proof that they are not? |
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| 15:59.19 | widinores | hi |
| 15:59.25 | greycat | Individual packages are not signed. The *list* that you receive from the mirror is signed. |
| 15:59.50 | CrystalMath | greycat: that list includes some hash right? |
| 16:00.16 | CrystalMath | if i recall correctly it does |
| 16:00.18 | greycat | I don't know all the details, but I have in /var/lib/apt/lists/ the two files dl.google.com_linux_chrome_deb_dists_stable_Release and dl.google.com_linux_chrome_deb_dists_stable_Release.gpg |
| 16:00.34 | CrystalMath | is that hash tested after downloading? |
| 16:00.47 | greycat | Debian seems to do something slightly different than Google, though, because there aren't any *.gpg files for the Debian lists. |
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| 16:02.07 | CrystalMath | i had a corrupted file, though there is no way to test it now as i have already purged the cache and redownloaded it |
| 16:02.23 | CrystalMath | it's strange that it tried to unpack it, without realizing it's corruptedfirst |
| 16:02.29 | ratrace | CrystalMath: but file being detected corrupted happens precisely due to these checks |
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| 16:02.43 | CrystalMath | ratrace: except it tried to unpack it first |
| 16:03.01 | CrystalMath | ratrace: although that's not very important as long as it doesn't actually install |
| 16:03.03 | CrystalMath | without checking |
| 16:03.08 | ratrace | it doesn't |
| 16:03.30 | CrystalMath | it doesn't unpack, or doesn't install? |
| 16:03.40 | ratrace | it doesn't install without checking |
| 16:03.45 | CrystalMath | okay :) |
| 16:03.46 | CrystalMath | thank you |
| 16:03.48 | ratrace | (unless there's a bug of course) |
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| 16:07.16 | CrystalMath | anyway, all the hashes in that package check out |
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| 16:07.58 | CrystalMath | shrugs |
| 16:08.03 | CrystalMath | probably nothing to worry about |
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| 16:18.01 | ratrace | well now that this question has been asked and that pastebin provided, i now too wonder how come that tar had to complain, instead of a hash check of downloaded .deb before untarring.... |
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| 16:20.11 | ratrace | According to this, authentication failure would've happen before untarring... https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt#Secure_apt_groundwork:_checksums |
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| 16:21.54 | Habbie | filesystem corruption seems likely at this point |
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| 16:23.33 | ratrace | Habbie: i'm thinking that too but... how likely is that, considering that the file's pages are probably cached right after checksum and at the untarring stage; however that's the only reasonable explanation for this at this point |
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| 16:24.32 | Habbie | ratrace, it's that or a serious apt bug, i'd say |
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| 16:24.47 | Habbie | i can reword it to 'memory corruption' if that helps, after what you said |
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| 16:25.47 | karlpinc | Yes, could be ram. |
| 16:26.01 | ratrace | not good in any case |
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| 16:30.28 | tristero | greycat: newer repos and apt prefer a single InRelease file that has the release data and its signature in the same file |
| 16:32.08 | greycat | cool |
| 16:35.06 | antto | this is seriously weird.. how come i have Redmond theme for xfwm on the debian10 at the job and i can't seem to get it here on my own debian10 ?!?!?! |
| 16:35.33 | greycat | left over from a previous release that was upgraded? |
| 16:35.37 | tomreyn | is your redmond license activated? |
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| 16:36.16 | antto | greycat left over.. like.. wouldn't "apt-get autoremove" erase it? |
| 16:36.58 | tomreyn | not if it's set to be manually installed for some reason |
| 16:37.04 | greycat | autoremove tries to guess what you don't care about, and sometimes it even guesses correctly |
| 16:37.22 | antto | :/ |
| 16:37.40 | antto | okay how do i get redmond theme for xfwm :~( |
| 16:37.43 | antto | halp |
| 16:38.17 | diogenes_ | antto, how did you install it? |
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| 16:39.31 | antto | i think after upgrading to buster, i checked the xfwm themes (in xfwm4-settings) they were too few, so i launched synaptic, and i typed something like "xfce themes" and then installed one or two packages which i didn't have installed |
| 16:39.55 | antto | then i checked xfwm4-settings again, and the list was thicc-er, and it had Redmond, which looked noice like win98 |
| 16:41.05 | tomreyn | there was a package xfwm4-themes on stretch and jessie |
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| 16:41.27 | tomreyn | providing files in /usr/share/themes/Redmond/xfwm4 |
| 16:41.33 | antto | hm |
| 16:41.54 | antto | how do i equip myself with it? |
| 16:42.08 | greycat | ,v xfwm4-themes |
| 16:42.09 | judd | Package: xfwm4-themes on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.0-2; stretch: 4.10.0-2 |
| 16:42.16 | greycat | interesting. |
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| 16:42.24 | antto | well, crap |
| 16:42.25 | antto | :~( |
| 16:42.49 | antto | i can't stand all these window frames with rounded corners and weird looking buttenz |
| 16:42.52 | greycat | [2018-12-15] Removed 4.10.0-2 from unstable (Debian FTP Masters) |
| 16:42.54 | tomreyn | https://tracker.debian.org/news/1011394/removed-4100-2-from-unstable/ |
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| 16:43.11 | tomreyn | "unmaintained upstream" |
| 16:43.42 | antto | what could possibly break in a theme?! |
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| 16:44.07 | greycat | yup, https://packages.debian.org/stretch/all/xfwm4-themes/filelist includes a subdirectory named "Redmond" |
| 16:44.27 | greycat | if I were in your situation, I would probably try installing the stretch version of the package, and see what happens |
| 16:44.40 | tomreyn | compatibility to xfwm could break |
| 16:44.51 | antto | i doubt xfwm has changed much |
| 16:45.15 | antto | greycat how do i do that? steal the .deb file and install it via gdebi? |
| 16:45.44 | greycat | it doesn't seem to have any complex dependencies, so probably just dpkg -i would work. |
| 16:45.48 | greycat | otherwise, |
| 16:45.49 | greycat | !apt install |
| 16:45.49 | dpkg | You can specify a pathname to a manually downloaded .deb file in apt install, but it must begin with / or ./ or ../ or else apt thinks it's a package name. E.g. "apt install ./foo-1.2.deb". This supersedes <gdebi>. |
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| 16:49.46 | antto | so apt install ./blahblah.deb ? |
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| 16:51.08 | diogenes_ | antto, sudo apt install /path/to/blabla.deb |
| 16:51.27 | antto | no sudo for me |
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| 16:51.34 | treffnixAT | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.46 | diogenes_ | su then |
| 16:51.52 | jhutchins_wk | su - |
| 16:52.11 | antto | f*ck YEAH, redmond theme \o/ |
| 16:52.22 | krion | hi guys, I'm having a behaviour, with nfs v3 vs v4, where file in a nfsv3 share got 660 rights, and in nfsv4 share got 664 rights |
| 16:52.24 | antto | muchos thanks |
| 16:52.31 | krion | not sure it's debian related though |
| 16:53.20 | krion | Try to use google to find an explication whith no luck (all I got is ACLs related, don't have ACL (at least they are not visible client side, no + sign at the end) |
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| 16:56.26 | madsage | morning |
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| 16:58.36 | madsage | hey, i have a bunch of squeeze boxes (no pun intended). need upgrade, what do you think my best path is. moving all the application and data would not be very feasable. i'm thinking wheezy dvd then jessie |
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| 16:59.20 | madsage | or is there a better way? |
| 16:59.24 | greycat | why "dvd"? |
| 17:00.32 | nkuttler | madsage: depends on the services you run, and how much downtime is ok |
| 17:00.53 | madsage | nkuttler, i can clone. they are vmx |
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| 17:01.25 | madsage | i should have said vm's not boxes |
| 17:02.10 | madsage | greycat, no supported wheezy repo |
| 17:02.14 | madsage | i dont think. |
| 17:02.17 | greycat | !wheezy sources.list |
| 17:02.17 | dpkg | Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb http://archive.debian.org/debian wheezy main». Be sure to run «apt-get update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and «man sources.list». |
| 17:02.48 | madsage | okay, guess i've never had to use the archives |
| 17:03.30 | madsage | i will try that. then jessie then stretch. on a clone, see what breaks each step |
| 17:04.00 | karlpinc | madsage: Be sure to read the release notes. |
| 17:04.24 | karlpinc | madsage: One of those upgrades has a backwards-incompatible apache version. |
| 17:04.36 | greycat | that would be wheezy->jessie I believe |
| 17:04.44 | madsage | roger that, there is java and CFM its going to break. |
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| 17:07.05 | madsage | i may endup moving the MacroMedia CFM engine to Lucee in stretch. its even pre-adobe aquisition i think |
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| 17:07.31 | CrystalMath | hi all |
| 17:07.33 | CrystalMath | thanks for the help |
| 17:07.36 | CrystalMath | i seem to have gotten the issues in order |
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| 17:07.45 | CrystalMath | the biggest problem is firejail really |
| 17:07.51 | CrystalMath | also, qemu no longer offers the SDL viewer? |
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| 17:11.10 | madsage | thanks for teh help |
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| 17:26.45 | brwoods | Weird quetsion. What's the name of that peice of software that takes one base image and then changes files in it (configs mainly) for the various diskless nodes to serves? |
| 17:26.55 | brwoods | Pretty sure it's opensource, NFS based IIRC |
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| 17:28.56 | alkisg | brwoods: ltsp? |
| 17:29.45 | alkisg | http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation/Ubuntu should be the best tutorial for debian too currently, but omit the ppa there |
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| 17:30.48 | brwoods | Nah, this was before 2014, LANL used it IIRC |
| 17:31.03 | alkisg | brwoods: ltsp was around since 1999 |
| 17:31.12 | alkisg | Dunno about lanl |
| 17:31.30 | brwoods | ah, guess the copyright on the webpage wasn't the smartest thing to go off of |
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| 17:32.00 | alkisg | wonders what copyright... |
| 17:32.29 | alkisg | Ah you went to ltsp.org, ok, that's just the date of the new (now very old) website there |
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| 17:38.23 | brwoods | Hrm, I don't think ltsp is it though, oh well |
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| 17:54.06 | CrystalMath | after the upgrade, i think my terminal is no longer getting destroyed by emoji |
| 17:54.12 | CrystalMath | finally |
| 17:54.18 | CrystalMath | i've been dealing with that for like, years |
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| 17:54.26 | CrystalMath | :) |
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| 17:56.49 | jhutchins_wk | ,v tomcat |
| 17:56.50 | judd | No package named 'tomcat' was found in amd64. |
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| 17:57.31 | greycat | ,v tomcat9 |
| 17:57.35 | judd | Package: tomcat9 on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 9.0.16-4~bpo9+1; buster: 9.0.16-4; bullseye: 9.0.22-1; sid: 9.0.22-1 |
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| 17:57.55 | greycat | it's on its last life |
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| 17:58.39 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: tomcat9? |
| 17:58.57 | jhutchins_wk | Oh, n'mind, I get it. |
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| 18:19.44 | lope | ratrace, ksk, jmcnaught: you know what f*d me in the end... |
| 18:19.56 | lope | Server rebooted, was looking at it couldn't figure out why no internet connectivity |
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| 18:20.14 | lope | So I screenshotted the ip addr show output for later reference (cos got KVM connected at DC) |
| 18:20.34 | lope | and then I notice the network interface... "Hey wait a second, that's not eth0!!!!" $(*(&#$*($&@ AAAAAAAAH!!!! |
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| 18:20.48 | lope | rescue environment of buster decided to call it eth0 |
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| 18:21.02 | lope | but actual installed buster, enpMOTHERFUDGER123 |
| 18:23.02 | CrystalMath | meh, my buster here called it eth0 |
| 18:23.09 | CrystalMath | could be because i already had some udev rule to force the name |
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| 18:26.43 | lope | success!!! |
| 18:26.47 | lope | CrystalMath, funny nick |
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| 18:27.39 | ratrace | CrystalMath: oh btw, we were talking aftre you left, sounds like you might have filesystem or memory corruption |
| 18:27.56 | bonjurkes | Hey lads, I upgraded my debian 9.9 to 10 by dist-upgrade. I was having issues with curl being kept back. I managed to install libcul4, now php-curl and php7.3-curl is not getting installed because it requires libcurl3. Is there any solution to this problem? |
| 18:28.17 | CrystalMath | ratrace: oh, hmm |
| 18:28.24 | ratrace | CrystalMath: so i wouldn't say "nothing to worry about", check those before they blow up into unbootable system or data loss |
| 18:28.24 | CrystalMath | ratrace: is that more likely than a network problem? |
| 18:28.45 | ratrace | CrystalMath: yes because apt hash check passed, but tar failed |
| 18:29.11 | CrystalMath | hard drive smart is showing no errors |
| 18:29.23 | ratrace | if it were network problem, apt would file, like this: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt#Secure_apt_groundwork:_checksums |
| 18:29.40 | ratrace | CrystalMath: i wouldn't rely on smart too much |
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| 18:29.51 | ratrace | and it could also be RAM |
| 18:30.27 | CrystalMath | i'll run the memtest |
| 18:31.02 | greycat | ,depends php7.3-curl |
| 18:31.03 | judd | Package php7.3-curl in buster/amd64 -- depends: php-common (>= 1:35), ucf, php7.3-common (= 7.3.4-2), libc6 (>= 2.14), libcurl4 (>= 7.44.0). |
| 18:31.09 | ratrace | lope: ah the predictable naming unpredicted situation :) |
| 18:31.18 | CrystalMath | will do that now |
| 18:31.20 | greycat | bonjurkes: do you have php packages from sury instead of from debian? |
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| 18:32.17 | bonjurkes | greycat no, only custom entry in my sources.list is for mariadb |
| 18:32.28 | greycat | !bat |
| 18:32.28 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 18:35.50 | bonjurkes | hmmm, actually there is sury in there |
| 18:36.20 | greycat | my initial thought would be to purge all of the php packages, and then install the buster ones |
| 18:36.47 | bonjurkes | thanks, sorry I didnt know/remember about sury |
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| 18:42.03 | kalin | hy guys |
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| 18:43.13 | kalin | did someone run buster on olinuxino a20 lime 2? |
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| 18:44.20 | petn-randall | kalin: Likely, yes |
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| 18:48.46 | CrystalMath | ratrace: yep, bad ram |
| 18:48.54 | CrystalMath | i told linux to avoid that whole page |
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| 18:49.21 | CrystalMath | it fails consistently, even in the most basic test |
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| 18:53.05 | CrystalMath | ratrace: thanks for the help again |
| 18:53.17 | CrystalMath | i'll buy a replacement RAM tomorrow |
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| 18:55.58 | bonjurkes | thank you greycat turns out I have another sources.list file for sury.org reinstalling php fixed it |
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| 19:11.43 | kalin | petn-randall , i try get hdmi audio work,but without success |
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| 19:27.06 | lope | I'm using a laptop as a netinstalled barebones headless server. There is no Xorg etc installed. But it goes to sleep after a few minutes. How can I disable the automatic sleeping? |
| 19:28.31 | LtL | lope: type 'xset' read options. |
| 19:28.42 | lope | xset not found |
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| 19:28.47 | lope | LtL, |
| 19:29.23 | LtL | lope: ah, headless, should have know. not sure how otherwise |
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| 19:31.27 | lope | I see 2 things installed: laptop-detect task-laptop |
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| 19:32.16 | lope | laptop-detect -v just returns whether it's a laptop or not/ |
| 19:32.25 | jmcnaught | lope: I would run something like 'journalctl -b | grep -i suspend' to see what is causing the suspend |
| 19:32.32 | Rovanion | My postfix is acting up. My logs are full of: "fatal: in parameter smtpd_relay_restrictions or smtpd_recipient_restrictions, specify at least one working instance of: reject_unauth_destination, defer_unauth_destination, reject, defer, defer\ |
| 19:32.47 | Rovanion | _if_permit or check_relay_domains". |
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| 19:32.57 | Rovanion | But my conf does specify that. Though postconf is missing that setting. |
| 19:33.05 | lope | systemd-logind[781]: Suspending... |
| 19:33.12 | lope | it didn't say what requested it jmcnaught |
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| 19:35.18 | jmcnaught | lope: maybe you need to change HandleLidSwitch=suspend to ignore in /etc/systemd/logind.conf⦠instead of editing that file you can copy it to /etc/systemd/logind.conf.d/override.conf (to prevent dpkg asking about replacing the file during upgrades) |
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| 19:36.17 | lope | jmcnaught, looking good, found that setting there |
| 19:36.31 | lope | jmcnaught, you're good. hopefully that solves it |
| 19:36.45 | lope | it seems if I'm SSH'd in it's less likely to put it to sleep, but still happened one time |
| 19:36.46 | Lirion | Rovanion: wild guess, typically you specify a number of relay restrictions with colons and line feeds. it should end with a line without colon. maybe a syntax error similar to that? |
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| 19:37.44 | Lirion | tl;dr maybe options with no terminating non-colon or missing colons inbetween |
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| 19:39.29 | Rovanion | Lirion: Thank you, will look into it! |
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| 19:40.08 | jhutchins_wk | Lirion: ; is a semi-colon, colon is : |
| 19:40.14 | lope | jmc logind.conf.d does not exist. If I create it, will it work? |
| 19:40.16 | Lirion | i meant "," |
| 19:40.23 | jhutchins_wk | Lirion: comma |
| 19:40.23 | Lirion | so much for my thesaurus tonight |
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| 19:40.26 | Lirion | hehehe |
| 19:40.40 | jhutchins_wk | is a former typesetter. |
| 19:40.41 | jmcnaught | lope: yes, see "man logind.conf" |
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| 19:42.26 | lope | thanks jmcnaught i just searched logind.conf for the word script, not found |
| 19:42.49 | lope | jmcnaught, is it possible I can run a script when the power is removed and the lid is closed? |
| 19:43.07 | lope | or do I need to check stuff manually for that? |
| 19:44.44 | lope | jmcnaught, what is an "inhibitor" in the context of logind.conf? |
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| 19:44.54 | lope | something that inhibits suspend or shutdown? |
| 19:45.02 | alkisg | Or logouts |
| 19:45.07 | lope | okay |
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| 19:45.28 | lope | after setting /etc/systemd/logind.conf.d/override.conf do I need to reboot? |
| 19:46.07 | jmcnaught | lope: you should be able to just restart systemd-logind.service but this may log out your session |
| 19:46.24 | greycat | That's an interesting question. The word inhibitor appears MANY times in the man page and is explained zero times. |
| 19:46.34 | lope | jmcnaught, you're brilliant man, thanks |
| 19:46.43 | greycat | But apparently there can be up to 8192 of them by default. |
| 19:47.13 | lope | not like an MAOI |
| 19:47.53 | lope | greycat, ^ |
| 19:47.53 | jmcnaught | You can execute a program with systemd-inhibit |
| 19:48.02 | lope | jmcnaught, interesting |
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| 20:08.59 | lope | which firmware package should I install to get all the firmware incl intel security patches? |
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| 20:09.26 | lope | firmware-linux firmwate-linux-nonfree firmware-linux-free ? |
| 20:09.27 | greycat | The ones your system uses. Also intel-microcode. |
| 20:09.53 | lope | currently I've got firmware-linux-free installed, and the system works |
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| 20:10.28 | greycat | dmesg will tell you what firmware files it's loading, or wishes to load that you don't have |
| 20:10.35 | greycat | from there you can figure out what packages those files are in |
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| 20:14.24 | lope | i915 0000:00:02.0: vgaarb: changed VGA decodes: olddecodes=io+mem,decodes=io+mem:owns=io+mem |
| 20:14.36 | lope | i915 0000:00:02.0: firmware: failed to load i915/skl_dmc_ver1_27.bin (-2) |
| 20:14.48 | greycat | ,file skl_dmc_ver1_27.bin |
| 20:14.49 | lope | firmware_class: See https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware for information about missing firmware |
| 20:14.53 | judd | Search for skl_dmc_ver1_27.bin in buster/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/i915/skl_dmc_ver1_27.bin |
| 20:15.03 | lope | i915 0000:00:02.0: Direct firmware load for i915/skl_dmc_ver1_27.bin failed with error -2 |
| 20:15.24 | lope | but the real question is should I care? this is a headless server in a country far far away |
| 20:15.33 | lope | I will never touch this server |
| 20:15.49 | lope | why run non-free firmware unless I need it? |
| 20:15.52 | greycat | then I suppose you can live without the video chipset firmware |
| 20:16.00 | greycat | but intel-microcode is also nonfree |
| 20:16.23 | lope | greycat, fair point, but intel microcode is needed to not get haxx0red |
| 20:17.02 | lope | i noticed something else ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Could not resolve [\_SB.PCI0.LPCB.HEC.ECAV], AE_NOT_FOUND (20180810/psargs-330) |
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| 20:18.21 | CrystalMath | i wonder |
| 20:18.26 | CrystalMath | why are all the fonts so different in buster? |
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| 20:22.33 | silverballz | CrystalMath, check out this talks later today and this week: https://debconf19.debconf.org/talks/36-how-to-decrease-debian-font-bugs-by-decreasing-debian-fonts/ & https://debconf19.debconf.org/talks/24-lets-package-fonts-what-could-go-wrong/ |
| 20:23.21 | CrystalMath | well it's not a bug |
| 20:23.23 | CrystalMath | the fonts are just |
| 20:23.26 | CrystalMath | different |
| 20:23.28 | CrystalMath | idk |
| 20:23.32 | CrystalMath | maybe rendered differently |
| 20:23.35 | silverballz | The media should be uploaded here when they become available https://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2019/DebConf19/ |
| 20:23.35 | CrystalMath | something changed |
| 20:23.49 | dvs | CrystalMath, wayland is the change |
| 20:23.55 | CrystalMath | i don't use that |
| 20:23.57 | silverballz | maybe they will answer your question... ive seen several people asking about fonts lately |
| 20:24.05 | CrystalMath | i run xorg with startx |
| 20:24.12 | CrystalMath | so it's definitely not wayland |
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| 20:24.34 | greycat | Fonts have always changed for me, every new release basically. I stopped caring a long time ago. |
| 20:24.43 | silverballz | ^same here |
| 20:25.20 | CrystalMath | but in GTK2 apps, they're prettier now |
| 20:25.22 | silverballz | my concern is cross platform consistency but that has to do with font rendering |
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| 20:25.51 | CrystalMath | silverballz: it's gotta be the aliasing |
| 20:26.11 | CrystalMath | anyway |
| 20:26.13 | CrystalMath | the emoji bug |
| 20:26.14 | epony | That's unacceptable. Carve out custom distribution. You can't ensure consistency across your monitors.. you want "platforms". |
| 20:26.24 | CrystalMath | that was plagueing me for years |
| 20:26.35 | CrystalMath | now finally, emoji will no longer destroy my terminal |
| 20:26.40 | CrystalMath | when printed by someone on IRC |
| 20:27.35 | CrystalMath | that's a very welcome change in buster :) |
| 20:27.47 | lope | should I disable hyperthreading on an intel CPU? my status says Mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT vulnerable |
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| 20:30.22 | lope | apparently the default is mds=full |
| 20:30.40 | lope | so apparently the kernel would disable hyperthreat if it thinks it's necessary |
| 20:30.53 | lope | And I've still got 8 threads running |
| 20:30.55 | lope | so looks okay |
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| 20:31.51 | silverballz | lope, no sir, maybe try updating the intel microcode as well as the kernel |
| 20:32.09 | silverballz | https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/hw-vuln/mds.html |
| 20:32.20 | lope | silverballz, updated both |
| 20:32.32 | silverballz | what kernel are you using? |
| 20:32.33 | jhutchins_wk | lope: What's your actual threat exposure? |
| 20:32.45 | lope | /sys/module/kvm_intel/parameters/vmentry_l1d_flush says cond |
| 20:33.22 | lope | jhutchins_wk, I run a bunch of VM's mostly my own, and a few others for clients who run a very limited set of software that doesn't change. |
| 20:33.42 | lope | (a few windows clients, as above) |
| 20:33.55 | jhutchins_wk | lope: Doesn't sound like the kind of system where you have much to worry about. |
| 20:34.01 | lope | so not major, yeah |
| 20:34.14 | lope | if I was hosting for the masses, I guess smt off would be better? |
| 20:35.24 | lope | but from reading this: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/hw-vuln/mds.html#mitigation-control-on-the-kernel-command-line |
| 20:35.47 | lope | I get the impression that with the default "full" smt problems are mitigated against, and it's unnecessary to disable smt |
| 20:35.57 | lope | Is that accurate?\ |
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| 20:36.07 | jhutchins_wk | In most cases I think you're right. |
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| 20:37.02 | jhutchins_wk | If you have a public site that's running a lot of financial transactions, or a site that has some industry inside information that needs to be secure that's a different environment. |
| 20:37.28 | jhutchins_wk | For most individual users, the worst threat is that you'll become a zombie node in some botnet. |
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| 20:42.27 | MoonKing1969 | hiya all |
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| 20:46.38 | THX | hi |
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| 20:49.44 | lope | yep |
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| 20:56.33 | lope | can I remove exim from my buster installation? |
| 20:56.41 | lope | I see it sitting there listening open to the world |
| 20:56.56 | lope | I don't want a mailserver...? |
| 20:57.00 | greycat | Tell it to listen only to localhost instead. |
| 20:57.35 | lope | can i remove it? |
| 20:57.42 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 20:57.47 | lope | just asking |
| 20:57.52 | greycat | What the hell is wrong with people. |
| 20:58.06 | greycat | How is your remote server going to inform you of a problem if it can't send outgoing mail? |
| 20:58.18 | greycat | How are your wiki users going to subscribe to a page or whatever? |
| 20:58.52 | lope | i normally setup monitoring stuff that doesn't involve email |
| 20:58.58 | lope | I don't host anything on the bare metal |
| 20:59.04 | lope | so can I remove exim? |
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| 21:00.49 | jmcnaught | lope: it probably got installed as a dependency of something that needs the mail-transport-agent virtual package, so see what else gets removed if you try to remove it |
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| 21:04.05 | lope | jmcnaught, a lot of random stuff got removed: adwaita-icon-theme at-spi2-core gtk-update-icon-cache hicolor-icon-theme ipxe-qemu libatk-bridge2.0-0 libatk1.0-0 libatk1.0-data libatspi2.0-0 libbluetooth3 libbrlapi0.6 |
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| 21:04.26 | lope | sorry I didn't realize that was a multiline |
| 21:05.06 | uRock | You have to use pastebin for that. |
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| 21:43.58 | lope | k |
| 21:44.06 | lope | I've got net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-iptables = 1 in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 21:44.09 | lope | on 2 servers |
| 21:44.11 | OS-53636 | Hi |
| 21:44.39 | lope | on one of them after booting /proc/sys/net/bridge/bridge-nf-call-iptables is 0 the other one, it's 1 (as expected) |
| 21:44.48 | lope | if I write 1 to the one that's zero, it keeps the 1. |
| 21:44.54 | lope | Any idea what could be wrong? |
| 21:45.24 | lope | They're running the exact same distro, kernel, etc |
| 21:45.34 | lope | I've done the same stuff set them up the same |
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| 21:57.47 | tds | lope: what distro? |
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| 22:02.10 | lope | debian |
| 22:02.24 | lope | so this random ass website says it calculates real usable capacity for hard drives. 4TB comes down to 3.638 TB so I figure if I partition all drives to 3.6TB I won't have any issues making mirrors in future? http://www.endmemo.com/data/diskcapacity.php |
| 22:02.52 | tds | lope: hmm, i'd definitely expect that sysctl to be 0 on a fresh install; any reason you're expecting it to be 1? |
| 22:03.09 | tds | running docker/something similar that runs containers/vms and attempts to firewall between them? |
| 22:03.42 | lope | tds, misunderstanding, I set the sysctl.conf value to a 1 |
| 22:03.49 | lope | ran sysctl --system |
| 22:03.51 | tds | ahh! |
| 22:03.53 | lope | that didn't work, rebooted |
| 22:03.55 | lope | Still 0 |
| 22:04.07 | lope | (not the conf, the proc value) |
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| 22:04.34 | lope | tds, I do manual iptables stuff for my vms and containers, to keep them all friendly |
| 22:04.37 | tds | was anything logged if you `journalctl -u systemd-sysctl.service`? |
| 22:04.54 | tds | yup, no problem, I thought this was a clean install and didn't realise you were setting the sysctl yourself :) |
| 22:05.10 | tds | (I also know you've been around in ##proxmox, and some pve tooling will set that sysctl for you ;) |
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| 22:24.54 | petn-randall | lope: You can remove your MTA from the server, though some tools will fail, or mail will land in limbo when the use the sendmail maildrop and there's nothing to pick it up. |
| 22:26.11 | lope | hmm, turns out other tools I installed wanted postfix, so no problem |
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| 22:27.29 | lope | tds, ah yeah. well i double checked the sysctl. |
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| 22:58.26 | busch | Is there something wrong with apt right now? Err:19 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 libssh2-1 amd64 1.8.0-2.1 File has unexpected size (116364 != 139772). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: 151.101.12.204 80] |
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| 23:00.06 | petn-randall | !tell busch -about crosspost |
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| 23:02.32 | i5513 | hello people I cannot boot with the latest debian sid kernel, it hit a similar bug like https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=833231 (same message), after comparing initrd from the previous kernel (-4) Iogsave is not any more at -5 (but it is on -4) |
| 23:02.33 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/833231 in src:initramfs-tools (closed): «initramfs-tools: during initramfs: "/init: line 1: logsave: not found" when e2fsprogs is not installed»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2016-08-02; last modified: 2017-01-12. |
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| 23:03.34 | i5513 | It is a known issue ? |
| 23:04.08 | annadane | @debian-next |
| 23:04.12 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 23:04.12 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:04.37 | annadane | you can always boot from the older kernel until the problem is fixed |
| 23:05.47 | i5513 | Oh annadene, ok, after using debian sid from 2003, I have never asked on #debian-next, ( I did not know about such channel) |
| 23:06.17 | i5513 | Thanks, yes I know i can wait, I'm running now with -4 kernel |
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| 23:06.55 | i5513 | I wanted to be sure to that was a not known issue before open a new bug, I will ask at debian-next |
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| 23:07.36 | i5513 | mm i can't as dpkg said I need invitation, so I cannot ask |
| 23:09.40 | i5513 | forgot my last message ... i did not read ... :( |
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