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| 01:01.43 | usrdev | is anyone else having issues with SSH on a freshly created Deb10 box? i see the service is online and listening but connection remains refused. i have to then restart the service and all is well. but rebooting the device causes the service to stop responding again. a few items from logs etc: https://gist.github.com/usrdev/836c4d830eb29979a52e08636c379964 |
| 01:02.00 | usrdev | i just noticed: Active: activating (start-pre) since Wed 2019-07-24 20:56:49 EDT; 51s ago |
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| 01:02.52 | usrdev | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/eBQRFDlO/ |
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| 01:04.24 | jmcnaught | usrdev: is this a VM? Buster seems to require more entropy at boot which can delay services like ssh. https://wiki.debian.org/BoottimeEntropyStarvation |
| 01:05.04 | usrdev | it is in fact a VM |
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| 01:05.36 | jmcnaught | usrdev: try adding a virtio_rng device to the VM |
| 01:06.26 | jezebel | if you are running out of entropy, wouldnt it show up in /var/log/messages? |
| 01:07.11 | jmcnaught | That would be a good place to look. I don't know because this issue hasn't happened for me. |
| 01:08.02 | usrdev | what i see in messages, https://gist.github.com/usrdev/c7c9747ebb1310c23df997b801ad65a6 |
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| 01:08.34 | usrdev | weird - never had this issue before. the link referenced suggested it's for stretch > buster. this is a fresh install of buster, but seems the same issue. |
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| 01:09.31 | jmcnaught | I don't think it's an issue only for upgraded systems, that wiki page was probably just written before buster was released. The issue is mentioned in the buster release notes as well. |
| 01:09.47 | usrdev | ah okay |
| 01:09.54 | usrdev | i'll try the tip given to me and see if that helps. thanks all. :) |
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| 01:12.13 | jezebel | should also check /var/log/daemon.log or wherever ssh is set to log |
| 01:12.43 | jmcnaught | 'journalctl -u ssh' |
| 01:14.23 | jezebel | you can tell i'm not a systemd person ;) |
| 01:14.39 | CaptainDusty | usrdev: I did read something about the service taking a while to start recently. |
| 01:15.30 | usrdev | so that tip worked. |
| 01:15.32 | CaptainDusty | Right. Already sorted by jmcnaught - ignore me ;) |
| 01:15.34 | usrdev | SSH service right up at reboot. |
| 01:15.40 | usrdev | ð |
| 01:15.55 | jmcnaught | usrdev: good to know |
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| 01:20.02 | jezebel | because this is a vm, have you looked into the hypervisor side of things? is the virtual NIC driver a bit slow to load? |
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| 01:27.54 | usrdev | i use proxmox, so added it to the guest configuration. if thatâs what you mean? |
| 01:28.01 | usrdev | config |
| 01:29.02 | pagetelegram | I have latest Debian and trouble finding a sip software that is just plain dialer. Don't need heavy and fancy...just a phone over voip. dependencies that are outdated is a big issue finding something. |
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| 01:37.17 | CaptainDusty | pagetelegram: Is that with contrib and non-free too? |
| 01:38.07 | pagetelegram | contrib, haven't added non-free to repos. |
| 01:38.34 | CaptainDusty | pagetelegram: Personally; I run with neither, but it doesn't impact business requirements for me. |
| 01:38.38 | pagetelegram | just installed successor to sflphone called ring...though not sure how to execute |
| 01:39.30 | jmcnaught | ring got renamed to jami |
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| 01:40.50 | CaptainDusty | pagetelegram: Probably important to also note; this isn't so much a `Debian` issue. You may find that a lot of these packages, and their dependencies, are not licence-compatible - or simply have no maintainer. |
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| 01:44.23 | jmcnaught | ,i twinkle |
| 01:44.24 | judd | Package twinkle (comm, optional) in buster/amd64: Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) SIP Phone (GUI). Version: 1:1.10.1+dfsg-4; Size: 1467.6k; Installed: 5543k; Homepage: http://twinkle.dolezel.info/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/twinkle |
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| 01:44.54 | jmcnaught | pagetelegram: I found above by searching apt for 'voip', not sure if you tried this one. |
| 01:46.29 | pagetelegram | About 5 hours of searching .... |
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| 01:49.33 | pagetelegram | Tried linphone and doenst allow @ in user name....will try twinkle though was searching initially by screenshots and just want a simple dialer...not all the crazy stuff of video etc. Thanks tho |
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| 03:02.14 | kreyren | ,v nvidia-drivers |
| 03:02.15 | judd | No package named 'nvidia-drivers' was found in amd64. |
| 03:02.18 | kreyren | damn |
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| 03:08.32 | kreyren | Is there an easy way to get nvidia-drivers and it's deps on bullseye from experimental repo? |
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| 03:08.54 | jmcnaught | !debian-next |
| 03:08.54 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 03:09.09 | kreyren | none answers on debian-next |
| 03:09.13 | kreyren | like ever |
| 03:09.39 | jmcnaught | I see people answer in there every day |
| 03:10.05 | kreyren | i never got any help with things that i asked in there and ended up resolving them myself.. just answer me here |
| 03:10.20 | kreyren | i need to cherrypick packages from experimental repo |
| 03:11.11 | jmcnaught | People who know about pulling from experimental are in #debian-next, this channel is for Debian stable support. |
| 03:11.28 | kreyren | fine ;-; |
| 03:12.44 | kreyren | figured it out it doesnt seem to pull experimental stuff unless -t experimental is used |
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| 04:30.49 | NoobieWanKenobi | Hello, since a week firefox keeps crashing on my debian 9. I tried installing multiple firefox versions but they still kept crashing. My guess is the issue is with my system configs or some package, I want to get to the root of this issue. Where can I find the logs for this issue? |
| 04:33.27 | cshzg | +NoobieWanKenobi: have you launched it from console? |
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| 04:38.06 | NoobieWanKenobi | cshzg tried firefox -vv but it doesn't give anything, firfox crashes right away without even starting. |
| 04:38.23 | petn-randall | NoobieWanKenobi: If you launch it from the console, what output do you get? â https://paste.debian.net |
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| 04:45.52 | zapproger | Does anyone know accurate statistics on Linux Server Marketshare. Especially on Debian? |
| 04:46.36 | zapproger | Does anyone know where* |
| 04:47.54 | cshzg | Moondhum: try firefox --safe-mode |
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| 04:52.26 | Moondhum | petn-randall this is what i get in conxole firefox https://paste.debian.net/1093000/ firefox crashes without even starting. |
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| 04:53.09 | alkisg | Moondhum: how did you install various firefox versions, and what does `dpkg --print-architecture` says? |
| 04:53.23 | Epakai | curious about other languages than python in jupyter. are the debian packages old, or are other language kernels just not packaged? perhaps i'm just unfamiliar and missed it |
| 04:55.42 | Epakai | found the right search term, they appear not packaged https://wiki.debian.org/Jupyter |
| 05:02.44 | alkisg | Can I ask new(bie) maintainer questions here, or is there a more appropriate channel for that? For example, when uploading a package, do we need to upload the .deb as well, or do the .deb files get generated in the debian servers? https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/upload.en.html |
| 05:04.00 | Moondhum | alkisg I extracted firefox.tar.gz2 in /opt and soft linked firefox to apt installed firefox-esr `ln -s /opt/firefox/firefox/firefox /usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr` |
| 05:04.08 | Epakai | alkisg: #debian-mentors on OFTC, but my experience was uploading a deb for one arch and the others were built automatically |
| 05:04.18 | alkisg | Thank you Epakai |
| 05:04.45 | alkisg | Moondhum: and the output of `dpkg --print-architecture` ? |
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| 05:04.57 | Moondhum | alkisg it's amd64 |
| 05:05.23 | alkisg | I think you should start by uninstalling all the non-debian firefox versions, and reverting to the debian one |
| 05:06.04 | alkisg | Once you have that, you may test with another user (or temporarily renaming .mozilla to create a new profile), to see if it's a user or system wide issue |
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| 05:11.27 | Moondhum | alkisg I'll start by trying that, thank you. |
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| 05:19.23 | Moondhum | alkisg where can I find the logs for this firefox crashing issue? |
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| 07:46.36 | thms | Hi... When X forwarding an app, gnome-keyring asks for a password but.. on the remote monitor. So basically X forwarding only works if I'm in front of both computers |
| 07:47.05 | thms | Some people say it's dangerous to uninstall it. |
| 07:47.32 | thms | What do you guys think ? |
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| 07:49.25 | x0n | thms, have a look at x2go. it's the best solution for desktop sharing and forwarding apps on linux IMO |
| 07:50.25 | x0n | although I might have misread your question. still, x2go is worth checking out :) |
| 07:50.25 | thms | I have ssh already installed, with -X option, and you want me to use something else ? no thanks. |
| 07:50.54 | thms | But thanks, I will :) But I'd like to stick with ssh |
| 07:51.04 | x0n | x2go is basically NX OSS repackaged. it tunnels over ssh too |
| 07:52.32 | x0n | when the free proprietary NX server for linux went under, it was the FOSS project that got it mostly right |
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| 07:52.39 | gidna | Hello |
| 07:53.59 | annadane | olleH |
| 07:54.10 | Lirion | EHLO |
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| 07:54.19 | colo-work | x2go is slowly being asphyxiated by "modern" DEs and browsers requiring opengl acceleration (and dropping xrender support) though |
| 07:54.25 | colo-work | so the party probably won't go on forever |
| 07:54.50 | gidna | I've installed debian+xfce, when I log in I'd like to use Icewm but there is no way to select it |
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| 07:55.44 | rant | xpra is another that is pretty good |
| 07:55.46 | Haohmaru | lxde/openbox allows you to easily change the DE components |
| 07:55.51 | alkisg | thms: try using ssh -X dbus-launch app, so that the application gets its own dbus, instead of reusing the one on the server |
| 07:56.04 | rant | I've been using xpra and x2go myself |
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| 07:57.25 | alkisg | It's sad that there's no widespread remote desktop application yet for wayland, which is supposed to be the debian default option in buster... |
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| 07:57.59 | alkisg | x2go can't ever work in wayland, right? So pipewire and rdp will be the only options? |
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| 08:00.47 | rant | doesn't plan to visit the way-land anytime soon |
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| 08:01.02 | gidna | How can I switch from a WM to another? |
| 08:01.16 | Haohmaru | i tried this Enlightment DE thing, i heard it has "wayland" |
| 08:01.21 | Haohmaru | it's aweful |
| 08:01.25 | rant | gidna: thats a more involved question than you asked.. you need to be more specific |
| 08:01.34 | alkisg | gidna: what's the output of this? ls /usr/share/xsessions |
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| 08:01.52 | Haohmaru | gidna usually you could just run the new window manager with --replace (if it has it) |
| 08:02.00 | rant | gidna: you can simply run most wm with a --replace parameter, but switching it more permanetly within a DE or session is dependant on which you are using |
| 08:02.01 | Haohmaru | but it's gonna be temporary |
| 08:02.15 | gidna | alkisg, icewm-session.desktop lightdm-xsession.desktop xfce.desktop |
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| 08:02.47 | alkisg | And doesn't icewm-session show when you logout in lightdm? |
| 08:03.20 | gidna | no it doesn't I can only input user and password |
| 08:03.31 | rant | you need to look closer |
| 08:03.38 | alkisg | There's usually a gear icon or something. Which greeter are you using? ps aux | grep greeter |
| 08:03.40 | rant | there is iirc, a gear in the top right corner |
| 08:03.54 | annadane | it's not a gear but yeah, check the various drop down menus |
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| 08:04.05 | gidna | gidna 2517 0.0 0.0 6076 856 pts/0 S+ 10:03 0:00 grep greeter |
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| 08:04.51 | alkisg | you probably need to logout for the greeter to run again (and run that from a vt).. what about: dpkg -l | grep greeter |
| 08:05.19 | rant | alkisg: you are just running this user in circles |
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| 08:06.02 | rant | alkisg: I implore you to check your "env" there are env vars for what you are looking for |
| 08:06.11 | rant | and this question has already been answered |
| 08:06.39 | rant | if they're too dense to click the icons around the screen, they're not gonna get it from banging rocks on the VT with grep |
| 08:06.40 | ploukaille | Bonjour |
| 08:06.42 | alkisg | My "env" won't show the xfce greeter, I don't know which one he's using |
| 08:06.48 | diogenes_ | rant is ranting again :) |
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| 08:07.26 | rant | XDG_GREETER_DATA_DIR=/var/lib/lightdm/data/user |
| 08:07.32 | Haohmaru | that's so unexpected of him |
| 08:07.38 | alkisg | rant: do you know what a greeter is? |
| 08:07.51 | alkisg | It's not the display manager, but the greeter that shows the gear |
| 08:08.08 | rant | env | grep \/.*dm.*\/ |
| 08:08.12 | gidna | alkisg, lightdm-gtk-greeter |
| 08:08.41 | Haohmaru | okay, that one certainly has a butten (or so) where you can change the session |
| 08:08.48 | rant | alkisg: oh, I'm sorry, was that XDG_DISPLAY_MANAGER_DATA_DIR? |
| 08:08.49 | Haohmaru | if you have multiple DEs |
| 08:09.57 | Haohmaru | http://entornosgnulinux.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/lightdm-gtk-greeter.jpg |
| 08:10.09 | Haohmaru | on the left side of the language thing |
| 08:10.45 | gidna | ok let me try |
| 08:11.02 | alkisg | rant: I don't have an XDG_DISPLAY_MANAGER_DATA_DIR variable, sorry |
| 08:11.27 | Haohmaru | donates one to alkisg |
| 08:11.35 | alkisg | ty! :D |
| 08:11.47 | rant | alkisg: yeah, well its rather unfortunate .. heh https://xkcd.com/927/ |
| 08:12.27 | alkisg | was exploring all the lightdm greeters a couple of weeks ago for a pam module I'm working on... |
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| 08:12.50 | alkisg | Without a screenshot, environment variables can only say so much :) |
| 08:13.14 | alkisg | They vary even between versions, not just between greeters/themes |
| 08:13.23 | Haohmaru | i rotated my monitor with xorg.conf.d stuff, and it affects even lightdm (noice) |
| 08:13.24 | rant | without a thing on your neck that works for something other than a hatrack, bashing around with grep in a shell can only do so much |
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| 08:13.38 | rant | all greeters/dms work the same for the most part, somewhere you click on somehting and it has a session list |
| 08:13.45 | rant | click around and figure it out :P |
| 08:14.06 | alkisg | How do people handle rant here usually? Just ignore him? :) |
| 08:14.16 | Haohmaru | btw, i noticed at home, when my debian10 is booting (somewhere after grub, when it changes to a high-resolution text mode) - the background is not black but dark gray |
| 08:14.30 | Haohmaru | this doesn't happen on the other debian10s i have |
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| 08:15.05 | rant | Haohmaru: maybe you have your monitor way too bright? |
| 08:15.26 | Haohmaru | thing is, i like this (it would help dumb VGA monitors to correctly adjust themselves as resolution changes) |
| 08:15.29 | Haohmaru | no |
| 08:15.37 | rant | if its not the display itself, then its probably related to the graphics driver used.. either way it doesnt much sound like an issue |
| 08:15.51 | Haohmaru | no, it's not an issue |
| 08:16.17 | Haohmaru | in fact, if there's a way to configure the text mode stuff to change the background color - that'd be nice |
| 08:16.36 | rant | there is.. depending on what you want to achieve specifically |
| 08:16.44 | rant | setterm can change it for example |
| 08:16.47 | Haohmaru | otherwise VGA monitors decide that the screen begins from the first non-black pixel they see, and that's usually the blinking cursor |
| 08:16.50 | rant | but may not be what you're after |
| 08:17.20 | ratrace | Haohmaru: maybe vt.color? http://redsymbol.net/linux-kernel-boot-parameters/ |
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| 08:18.31 | rant | https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.19/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html |
| 08:18.37 | Haohmaru | i guess these are added to grub.conf thing and then you call update-grub thing? |
| 08:18.49 | rant | why do people always seem to use random docs unstead of the official ones :P |
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| 08:19.24 | Haohmaru | rant probably cuz search engines try to be "clever" with the results |
| 08:19.30 | EmleyMoor | rant: higher hits on Google? |
| 08:19.31 | rant | Haohmaru: you can add them to /etc/default/grub under GRUB_COMMANDLINE_LINUX and then update grub, yes |
| 08:19.44 | rant | kernel.org for v4.15 was first hit for me |
| 08:19.52 | Haohmaru | right, thanks |
| 08:19.56 | rant | I changed it to 4.19 cause I know what buster uses |
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| 08:20.12 | gidna | How can I disable logs in xchat? |
| 08:20.16 | Haohmaru | i don't use google for searching anymore |
| 08:20.27 | Haohmaru | FU google |
| 08:20.43 | rant | I tried searx for awhile, and DDG but went back to google cause it gave me better results |
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| 08:20.57 | Haohmaru | i'm sticking to duckduckgo for now |
| 08:21.18 | rant | way I see it, not using google isn't stopping google from datamining me.. they're everywhere |
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| 08:21.29 | Haohmaru | my muscle memory even learnt to type it instead of "google" >:) |
| 08:21.49 | rant | chances are if you actually address the google mining, you can still use google just the same, and if you don't address it, doesnt matter if you use it or not |
| 08:22.07 | Haohmaru | yes, they're everywhere, but i can avoid them as much as i can |
| 08:22.40 | thms | <alkisg> thms: try using ssh -X dbus-launch app, so that the application gets its own dbus, instead of reusing the one on the server -> will try |
| 08:22.49 | Haohmaru | don't wanna see their stupid logo that changes almost everyday |
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| 08:24.18 | alexande1 | is there a https-only apt option? |
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| 08:26.37 | rant | dpkg, what is apt https? |
| 08:26.39 | dpkg | rant: what are you talking about? |
| 08:26.43 | rant | dpkg, apt https? |
| 08:26.44 | dpkg | https://whydoesaptnotusehttps.com/ |
| 08:27.11 | rant | that opinion has changed slightly but.. |
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| 08:29.12 | alexande1 | i use a public |
| 08:29.13 | alexande1 | wifi |
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| 08:30.05 | alexande1 | and it redirects my apt requests to its login page, but it seems to work for https pages (and e.g. weechat?) (is there other similar option) |
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| 08:31.39 | rant | alexande1: perhaps tor would help with that |
| 08:32.38 | rant | https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Using_Tor_with_Apt |
| 08:33.11 | alexande1 | i mostly need to somehow install a bash browser like elinks: is there a different way (e.g. directly download it) |
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| 08:33.43 | ratrace | while on this subject, are debian packages built by a central building system or are they built by maintainers on their computers, then uploaded in their finished .deb form? |
| 08:33.55 | rant | yes, you could fetch links2, w3m, or such directly but you may also need dependencies |
| 08:34.07 | rant | ratrace: both |
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| 08:34.58 | alexande1 | rant is there like a easy way to find out those links: as currently i navigate only with curl/wget (e.g. a debian help page with all of them |
| 08:34.59 | rant | ratrace: typically initially they are probaby built manually then once they are in Debian they are usually auto-generated but its still a little of both |
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| 08:35.15 | rant | ratrace: look into tracker.debian.org and salsa.debian.org perhaps |
| 08:35.35 | rant | ratrace: and of course try asking these kinds of questions in developer circles like #debian-mentors on OFTC |
| 08:36.01 | rant | alexande1: debian 10 amd64? |
| 08:36.05 | DerDer | hey rant |
| 08:36.17 | gidna | in /home/gidna/.icewm I don't see any configuration file. What's the difference between those in /usr/share/icewm/ and those in /home/gidna/.icewm ?? |
| 08:36.21 | DerDer | rant: i bricked my filesystem and accidentally installed 10 instead of 9 |
| 08:36.35 | ratrace | rant: sure, thanks |
| 08:36.45 | ayekat | gidna: the ones in /usr/share are examples/defaults; the one in your home directory is for your user specifically and meant to be edited |
| 08:37.11 | alexande1 | rant: not totally sure: i use ubuntu 19.04 on x64 |
| 08:37.26 | ayekat | gidna: and if there is no configuration file there, it probably means you have write one :-) |
| 08:37.38 | rant | alexande1: then wtf are you asking here? this is #debian |
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| 08:37.53 | alexande1 | well i suspect apt works the same way on both |
| 08:38.04 | alexande1 | its not a ubuntu-specific issue at all |
| 08:38.09 | rant | alexande1: this has nothing to do with apt, and we support debian here, not its derivitives |
| 08:38.11 | gidna | ayekat, ok but now where Does icewm read the configuration options? /usr/share/icewm ?? |
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| 08:38.31 | rant | its highly ubuntu-specific.. you're asking how to directly download something.. if you had debian I'd tell you packages.debian.org https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/links2/download |
| 08:38.46 | ayekat | gidna: I imagine that it first tries to read your user configuration, and if it doesn't find it, it falls back to a system-wide default configuration |
| 08:38.52 | alexande1 | sorry, i didnt realize that! |
| 08:39.01 | alexande1 | i thought ubuntu downloads the same apt packages as debian |
| 08:39.07 | ayekat | gidna: I don't use icewm, so I don't know where or what those files exactly are, though |
| 08:39.11 | rant | !ubuntu |
| 08:39.11 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 08:39.36 | gidna | so it does not read /usr/share/icewm? |
| 08:39.37 | ayekat | gidna: if your question is "where are the example/default config files?", I'd take a look at the list of files the package installs (dpkg -L {package}, I believe) |
| 08:40.01 | alexande1 | yes, i thought the "use apt on wifi which redirects http pages" might be ok for debian, but i see the issue, sorry |
| 08:40.03 | ratrace | alexande1: ubuntu takes most packages from sid every 6 months, and then repackages, modifies, does stuff to them so it's for all intents and purposes a completely separate distribution that only shares the initial package sources |
| 08:40.20 | rant | ubuntu has greatly changed their package system.. you need only look at the horrific code that implements "ppa |
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| 08:40.24 | rant | to see this |
| 08:40.44 | alexande1 | i am sorry, makes sense, i always thought they mostly reuse the same stuff |
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| 08:41.30 | Haohmaru | they take debian and make it fuggly |
| 08:41.37 | ayekat | gidna: see the icewm man page, section 'files' |
| 08:41.49 | ayekat | gidna: it appears it does read it, but only if it doesn't find any of the other files |
| 08:42.48 | gidna | ayekat, which page? |
| 08:42.58 | ayekat | icewm |
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| 08:43.05 | rant | only thing I know of that is basically debian is armbian.. they have maybe a dozen packages on their repos, which are just kernels and hw support, and they dist their own custom images for specific hw and have a couple scripts but are otherwise 100% unmodified debian packages.. LMDE is similar, but still isn't debian.. and they change a bit more than armbian does.. |
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| 08:46.08 | IpSo | Anyone have any ideas of how I can recover from a boot loop? After the grub menu, even trying "Recovery mode" kernel, it just spews some text on the screen so fast I can't read it, then reboots back to the grub menu. |
| 08:46.37 | Haohmaru | eek |
| 08:46.42 | Haohmaru | can you press Pause? |
| 08:47.07 | IpSo | Haohmaru, its too fast. :( |
| 08:47.32 | Haohmaru | switch the CPU to 1st gear ;P~ |
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| 08:47.46 | Haohmaru | press the breaks half-way |
| 08:47.56 | IpSo | hah, I wish |
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| 08:48.16 | Haohmaru | tilt the whole computer so that it's like "uphill" |
| 08:48.20 | rant | there is probably a kernel param that tells it to halt on error.. afaik that was default behavior on linux kernels |
| 08:48.42 | rant | which makes me think the kernel is never executing |
| 08:48.57 | rant | and the issue is with grub and a failure to ever load/execute the kernel |
| 08:49.09 | EoflaOE | IpSo: Can you try passing panic=0 to the kernel parameter and see if it stops on kernel panic? |
| 08:49.26 | IpSo | EoflaOE, tried that too, didn't seem to make a difference. :( |
| 08:50.05 | gidna | ayekat, so can I modify the files in /ush/shareicewm given the fact I'm the only user using this PC? |
| 08:50.37 | Haohmaru | that's not a good excuse, gidna |
| 08:51.11 | Haohmaru | if you do naughty things you're gonna break your debian |
| 08:52.09 | gidna | Haohmaru, ok so it is better to copy the content of /usr/share/icewm in /home/gidna/.icewm and modify the latter |
| 08:52.36 | Haohmaru | i think you are allowed to modify stuff mostly in /etc/ and a few other places, *carefully* |
| 08:52.47 | Haohmaru | no idea what you're trying to do |
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| 08:53.02 | Haohmaru | i was just talking in general from my experience |
| 08:53.13 | Haohmaru | i've broken a few linuxes :~( |
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| 09:12.00 | ayekat | wanted to give them a talk about not modifying files in /usr, and the XDG basedir spec |
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| 09:15.04 | gidna | the vi editor on debian as an unexpected behavior respect other vi I used in the past |
| 09:15.56 | gidna | when I press arrow down it prints letters like A B |
| 09:16.25 | ayekat | ah, they're back - I get to do it \o/ gidna: don't modify files in /usr, and it's cleaner to use ~/.config/icewm/ instead of ~/.icewm |
| 09:16.48 | Haohmaru | if i end up with "vi" running, i just give up and reset the computer |
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| 09:17.06 | ayekat | gidna: you're probably not supposed to use arrows in vi - hjkl is there for moving the cursor |
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| 09:17.33 | ratrace | gidna: you're not supposed to press arrow down in vim, but k :) |
| 09:17.41 | ayekat | k is up |
| 09:17.44 | ratrace | ah yes, j |
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| 09:18.41 | gidna | also in input mode? |
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| 09:19.27 | ayekat | in input mode you don't move around the cursor - you type stuff |
| 09:19.33 | ratrace | you're not supposed to navigate in input mode |
| 09:19.48 | ratrace | really just use nano ; if you want to use vim, then *use* vim :) |
| 09:20.13 | ayekat | also yeah, you probably want vim rather than plain vi - even though for learning the basics, both work fine |
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| 09:20.40 | ayekat | but vim has handy things like undo history (rather than just "undo the last action") |
| 09:20.41 | ratrace | vi just runs vim in compat mode |
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| 09:25.10 | gidna | when I press the blank button <- it doesn't erase any character |
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| 09:25.21 | ayekat | what is the "blank button"? |
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| 09:25.56 | EoflaOE | Do you mean backspace? |
| 09:26.10 | gidna | yes |
| 09:26.45 | EoflaOE | gidna: What is your Debian version? |
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| 09:28.05 | gidna | 4.19.0-5-amd64 |
| 09:28.23 | EoflaOE | gidna: And are you in vi or vim? Or any text box? |
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| 09:29.30 | gidna | vi |
| 09:31.32 | ayekat | backspace in insert mode doesn't exactly erase the character (until you exit insert mode, at least) |
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| 09:32.38 | ayekat | and it also only works on the text part that you have written since entering insert mode - i.e. you can't just `i` and then start hitting backspace to delete characters that were already there before |
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| 09:33.18 | ayekat | (so yeah, you probably want vim, for these things to work) |
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| 09:34.44 | gidna | ayekat, on fedora I was using vi not vim and these things worked |
| 09:35.08 | ayekat | there are multiple implementations of vi |
| 09:35.30 | ayekat | it may be just vim in compatibility mode, or another program |
| 09:36.26 | ayekat | in the end, though, vi is rather limited (at least in comparison with vim) |
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| 10:01.59 | gidna | I'm trying to copy my dictionary with: |
| 10:02.00 | gidna | sudo sort -o words words && cp words /usr/share/dict/words |
| 10:02.08 | gidna | but I get: sudo sort -o words words && cp words /usr/share/dict/words |
| 10:02.23 | gidna | sorry I get: cp: cannot create regular file '/usr/share/dict/words': Permission denied |
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| 10:03.18 | alkisg | gidna: if you copy files to /usr/, they get overwritten when you run apt full-upgrade and there's a new version of that package. Just dont. :) |
| 10:04.38 | alkisg | For /usr/share/dict/words, it's a symlink to /etc/dictionaries-common/words, so you're supposed to change the symlink to what you need. Not /usr, but /etc. |
| 10:04.40 | gidna | I need my version of the dictionary... that I can use with look |
| 10:05.02 | alkisg | (possibly using update-alternatives, but anyway plain symlink should also do) |
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| 10:06.37 | alkisg | gidna: so: sudo ln -rsf your-words-file /etc/dictionaries-common/words |
| 10:06.38 | ayekat | gidna: I don't know/use dict, but I would be surprised if there was no way to put dictionary entries into user-specific locations |
| 10:06.45 | ayekat | instead of copying them to a system-wide location |
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| 10:07.17 | gidna | as root it allowed me to overwite that file, why not with sudo? |
| 10:07.18 | ayekat | after all, it supports a per-user ~/.dictrc according to the manpage, so it should certainly be possible to add custom paths for dictionary entries |
| 10:07.42 | ayekat | gidna: because you run `sort` as root there, not `cp` |
| 10:08.11 | gidna | ahh so to run multi commands have I to sudo each command?? |
| 10:09.11 | ayekat | gidna: there are no "multi commands" - foo && bar means "run bar only if foo succeeds" |
| 10:09.27 | ayekat | gidna: but technically yes - then again, there is absolutely no need to run `sort` as root |
| 10:10.08 | ayekat | but even more fundamentally, again, there is probably also no need to copy the file into a system-wide directory |
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| 10:15.47 | ratrace | anyone running (say) windows in a vm with gpu passthru? i know you need two gpus so your host can use one, and you dedicate the other to the vm ; but what about keyboard and mice? got an extra pair? |
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| 10:18.50 | pyfgcr | ayekat: acually foo && bar means evaluate the truth value of the expression <return value of foo> AND <return value of bar> |
| 10:19.32 | pyfgcr | so if foo doesn't return 0 the value is false and there is no need to run bar |
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| 10:20.54 | ayekat | yes, technically it's that |
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| 10:22.16 | rant | http://paste.debian.net/1093025/ |
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| 10:25.59 | rant | running multiple commands with sudo is rather trivial, see the above paste |
| 10:26.21 | alkisg | ratrace: afaik you can either assign keyboard/mice to the vm as usb devices, or use them normally in both the host and the vm |
| 10:26.33 | alkisg | The first option makes it a multiseat system |
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| 10:29.32 | ratrace | alkisg: but the latter only works if you have local display with something like spice, right? if you gpu passthrough, you run the vm basically windowless on the host |
| 10:31.03 | alkisg | ratrace: yes I guess you're right, so you'd probably need something like synergy to share them without help from the hypervisor |
| 10:31.34 | ratrace | i was thinking either two usb hubs, each on dedicated usb port, or a kvm switch, or just get another kbd+mouse :) |
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| 10:32.05 | ZaZaGX | hello |
| 10:32.40 | ratrace | or technically i can just give the kbd+mouse to the windows vm while it's running ; it'll be like dualbooting (would have to poweroff the vm to get control of the host back), but it'll be a vm still |
| 10:34.15 | alkisg | ratrace: it should be possible to script the forwarding of the mouse/keyboard as usb devices to the guest without rebooting, so e.g. F12 would forward to guest, hmm, and some other event like gently pressing the power button or another mouse would unhook them |
| 10:34.40 | alkisg | Or moving the mouse to another usb port, something like that |
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| 10:35.10 | alkisg | ratrace: which hypervisor are you using? |
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| 10:36.18 | alkisg | (or scripting windows to send a packet on f12, to get the mouse back) |
| 10:36.27 | ratrace | alkisg: qemu-system-x86_64 |
| 10:36.50 | alkisg | ratrace: is gpu passthrough stable enough with that? With which cards are you doing it? |
| 10:37.15 | ratrace | alkisg: intel on the host, nvidia in the vm, yes i know i have to hack it a bit to get nvidia working, it's just a matter of cpuid |
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| 10:37.37 | ratrace | alkisg: from what i read online, it's supposedly very stable, with MS additions to the kvm |
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| 10:38.13 | alkisg | Nice; I wanted to try it on my laptop but afaik it doesn't work with optimus, and I don't really need it on the desktop... |
| 10:40.15 | ratrace | alkisg: we'll see ; steam works great for me with proton, games like doom and wolfenstein:{new order,oldblood} and warhammer and some others work glitchless ; but i want destiny2 and supposedly the brick your account if the system detects you're in wine |
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| 10:40.42 | ratrace | %s/the brick/they brick/ |
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| 10:43.00 | alkisg | Hah. I wonder if it's legal to do that. |
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| 10:55.54 | ZaZaGX | do i need to download all the debian dvd 1,2,3 in order to install debian 10? |
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| 10:56.30 | thms_ | !stretch->buster |
| 10:56.30 | colo-work | if you have a working internet connection during installation, just get the netinstall image |
| 10:56.37 | thms_ | !upgrade |
| 10:56.37 | dpkg | Upgrades keep your box from getting r00ted and reboots let you run new kernels. Stop obsessing about uptime already. It's not 1996. Refresh the lists of available packages "apt update", and then an "apt upgrade". Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <stretch->buster>. |
| 10:57.13 | ZaZaGX | yes i do have the internet via wifi, but the netinstall iso doesn't boot up via usb flash drive |
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| 10:58.16 | ratrace | thms_: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html |
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| 11:01.26 | thms_ | Mh. But I see there are issues with virtualbox which I really need for my certification |
| 11:01.41 | thms_ | I assume I can just keep the version I already have, right ? |
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| 11:02.00 | ZaZaGX | how do i combine all DVD 1,2,3 all together? |
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| 11:07.38 | ratrace | thms_: you can keep running stretch, yes, it hasn't expired yet ; but what issues with virtualbox? |
| 11:08.06 | thms_ | ratrace, that it will not be in buster repos, just this. |
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| 11:08.57 | thms_ | I hope virtualbox packages maintainer will sort this out because ... I don't want to have to use vmware. Most sites provide either .ova or .vmdk, let's be honest. |
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| 11:09.39 | colo-work | is anyone of you using fail2ban on Debian buster? can you confirm that fail2ban creates its custom filter chains only after at least one client has been banned through it? |
| 11:09.44 | thms_ | I've heard converting .ova does not always work flawlessly |
| 11:09.49 | ratrace | thms_: the problem is not in the maintainer, but in upstream, i see |
| 11:09.50 | ratrace | bug 794466 |
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| 11:10.40 | ratrace | eh i thought the bot would pick it up.... https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=794466 |
| 11:10.41 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/794466 in src:virtualbox (open, stretch, buster, bullseye, sid): «virtualbox: might not be suitable for stable releases due to lack of cooperation from upstream on security support for older releases»; severity: serious; opened: 2015-08-03; last modified: 2019-07-08. |
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| 11:11.29 | ratrace | thms_: do you need virtualbox btw? can your use case be covered by qemu-kvm? |
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| 11:12.25 | thms_ | ratrace, at this very moment yes because of a certification I'll be taking. |
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| 11:13.11 | ratrace | thms_: what certification, if i may ask? |
| 11:13.21 | thms_ | OSCP PWK |
| 11:13.53 | ratrace | oh. well, good luck :) |
| 11:13.53 | thms_ | Actually they require VMWare, but I have a full workflow with vbox, I've been training, I've my env prepaired, I also use vulnhub VMs |
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| 11:29.39 | ratrace | is there some project like "debian specific PPAs" coming up for debian? |
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| 11:30.54 | themill | there has been talk of it for a while |
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| 11:31.07 | ratrace | been reading the mailing lists about this situation with virtualbox and Rhonda (D'Vine) mentioned it ; so now I'm wondering |
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| 11:31.21 | luna | Facebook does not like 43mb pictures in raw format |
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| 11:33.57 | Haohmaru | raw as in, raw from a DSLR? |
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| 11:39.40 | ayekat | why would you upload raw picture files to facebook, though? |
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| 11:44.38 | Haohmaru | no idea |
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| 11:44.41 | Haohmaru | lazyness? |
| 11:45.22 | Haohmaru | if you gonna be lazy then shoot jpeg |
| 11:45.57 | ayekat | yeah, but if you want to showcase your picture somewhere, you want the finished product, not the raw picture information |
| 11:47.10 | ayekat | it's like throwing mud at someone and going "here, look at my clay figure!" |
| 11:47.42 | koollman | ayekat: well, it's facebook. mud throwing is expected |
| 11:47.57 | ayekat | true as well |
| 11:48.15 | koollman | it's not exactly a place for finished products and finalized images |
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| 11:49.57 | ayekat | I consider raw picture files like source code - doesn't make sense to ship it as-is, people probably want to compiled and executable file |
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| 11:50.38 | Haohmaru | well, it usually contains way more info than can actually be seen |
| 11:50.38 | humbug_humbug | how do I make the system notification popup for software upgrades stop showing up every 24 hours bugging me to upgrade to Buster? |
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| 11:51.00 | Haohmaru | aww, humbug_humbug.. are you on kde or something? |
| 11:51.07 | Haohmaru | i don't get any nag screens |
| 11:51.20 | humbug_humbug | Gnome 2.0 / Classic I think? |
| 11:51.36 | Haohmaru | i'd guess it's a gnome thing then |
| 11:51.37 | pyfgcr | humbug_humbug: I think gnome2 is now called mate |
| 11:51.42 | EoflaOE | humbug_humbug Which debian version? |
| 11:51.55 | humbug_humbug | Yes, my bad. Mate. |
| 11:52.10 | Haohmaru | check its settings then |
| 11:52.12 | humbug_humbug | Deb 9 Stretch |
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| 11:53.56 | pyfgcr | humbug_humbug: also check if there are scripts in autostart doing that |
| 11:55.18 | pyfgcr | and: does the application producing the popup have a panel icon? |
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| 11:58.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys i am trying to get lt network-manager-l2tp |
| 11:58.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | but im running old stab |
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| 11:58.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | old stable.. |
| 11:58.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | i dont want to upgrade to stable atm, is there a way i can do vpn with networkmanager on my current version? |
| 11:59.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | i heard about swan but i dont want to use another program for vpn.. |
| 12:00.39 | humbug_humbug | pyfgcr yeah, it's the same kind of popup as "Connection Established" and "Disconnected" and the usual notification of updates |
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| 12:02.03 | pyfgcr | humbug_humbug: since I don't use mate this is not helping me to understand what happens |
| 12:02.34 | pyfgcr | but you seem to say that there is an icon in the panel indeed |
| 12:03.04 | pyfgcr | so you can try to understand which is the "culprit" program |
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| 12:03.54 | pyfgcr | humbug_humbug: there is usually an "about" option if you right click on the icon, is it there? |
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| 12:05.43 | humbug_humbug | I'll look next time it pops, I guess... |
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| 12:09.56 | vlt | Hello. Since around the time I ugraded from Debian 8 to 9 (and also now on 10) I have serious issues with my NIC. The problem occurs on average 15 days after booting, so I can't tell if it's related to the upgrade or real hardware issue. |
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| 12:10.17 | vlt | Is it possible to run a kernel from Debian 8 on Debian 10? |
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| 12:10.31 | ratrace | vlt: no ; which nic? do you perhaps just need firmware? |
| 12:10.39 | JPT | If it meets the requirements of glibc, you might be able to pull it off |
| 12:10.52 | JPT | It won't be pretty though |
| 12:10.54 | ratrace | and systemd |
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| 12:11.12 | JPT | Oh, right. That is likely to break |
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| 12:12.49 | vlt | ratrace: It's an Intel server. The kernel module used is "igb". |
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| 12:17.39 | ratrace | vlt: i don't think that even has any firmware in debian packaging ; anyway what exactly are those "issues"? when they appear, is any error logged? |
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| 12:23.45 | vlt | ratrace: http://paste.debian.net/1093043/ |
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| 12:24.38 | vlt | ratrace: Of the things I tried (including rmmod/modprobe igb) only rebooting solves the problem. |
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| 12:25.36 | deadrom | hi |
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| 12:27.04 | deadrom | need to mount a win server 2012r2 administrative share "c$". mount.cifs //ip/c$ /mnt -o credentials/credfile gives me "error 13 access denied". cred file double checked. long since I used cifs, what am I missing? |
| 12:27.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | anybody know how to get around the long password needed to network manager vpn? openswan? |
| 12:28.12 | deadrom | nevermind, triple checked credfile... typo :} |
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| 12:31.58 | dvs | !lart deadrom |
| 12:31.58 | dpkg | chops deadrom in half with a free AOL CD |
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| 12:35.37 | deadrom | dvs, gfy. I clarified my error and let you know instead of sending people into chasing an error that wasn#t. |
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| 12:36.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok now im pissed its on the client side openswan is demanding 20 chars minum |
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| 12:39.46 | nifker | I want to use mako instead of dunst - do I need to set it up in alternatives? |
| 12:40.31 | eb0t | hey i am getting an error when i apt upgrade |
| 12:40.57 | eb0t | minissdpd.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE |
| 12:41.11 | eb0t | i think maybe i should delete that application |
| 12:41.15 | eb0t | what do you think |
| 12:41.43 | fireba11 | it can't start the service ... either find the error via logs or remove it if you don't need it (anymore) |
| 12:41.47 | ratrace | vlt: you neglected to mention this was xen :) |
| 12:41.55 | eb0t | installed minissdpd package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1 |
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| 12:42.11 | greycat | ,info minissdpd |
| 12:42.12 | judd | Package minissdpd (net, optional) in buster/amd64: keep memory of all UPnP devices that announced themselves. Version: 1.5.20190210-1; Size: 35.4k; Installed: 112k; Homepage: http://miniupnp.free.fr/minissdpd.html; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/minissdpd |
| 12:42.26 | greycat | do you ... need this? |
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| 12:44.07 | eb0t | not sure |
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| 12:45.48 | eb0t | looks like its good to have ..but i would have expected it to build successfully with debian |
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| 12:47.29 | epony | Is this true? "geography was nearly eliminated as an academic discipline in the US after 1960s" |
| 12:47.43 | greycat | eb0t: so, the fundamental question is here is whether you try to FIX the errors, or whether you pursue a scorched earth policy and just try to remove it |
| 12:48.24 | eb0t | thing is greycat, this system was an upgrade from debian stretch...im trying to find out if that package is in buster |
| 12:48.28 | ratrace | what is with that service on buster? more than a few people complaining about it |
| 12:48.32 | greycat | ,v minissdpd |
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| 12:48.32 | judd | Package: minissdpd on amd64 -- jessie: 1.2.20130907-3+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1.2.20130907-3+deb8u2; stretch: 1.2.20130907-4.1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.2.20130907-4.1+deb9u1; bullseye: 1.5.20190210-1; buster: 1.5.20190210-1; sid: 1.5.20190210-1 |
| 12:48.35 | greycat | "yes" |
| 12:48.38 | eb0t | or if it is a reminant of stretch |
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| 12:49.05 | greycat | epony: sounds slightly off topic |
| 12:49.39 | epony | someone could probably know.. (just yes or no) |
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| 12:51.12 | Akuw | hi |
| 12:51.31 | Akuw | is there any place with ftp server passwords? |
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| 12:51.34 | Akuw | plain one |
| 12:51.47 | greycat | Akuw: explain to me why I should not ban you immediately. |
| 12:51.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | so guys what other vpn tool can i use? |
| 12:52.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | network-manager openswan is off limits, my passwords are too short |
| 12:52.03 | Akuw | greycat: why |
| 12:52.10 | Akuw | i am majing just a question |
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| 12:52.34 | Akuw | somebody lost ftp password and has only access by vnc |
| 12:52.34 | greycat | Akuw: OK, I will grant you the benefit of the doubt, and perhaps you are not a native English speaker, and you have completely misspoken here. You have ONE chance to redeem yourself. |
| 12:52.37 | Akuw | just that |
| 12:52.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | really greycat |
| 12:53.05 | greycat | Really. |
| 12:53.08 | Akuw | greaycat: what happen? |
| 12:53.11 | centrix | How to "clean" a box to start joining to AD again? Deb 10 |
| 12:53.15 | Akuw | can you explain |
| 12:53.26 | greycat | You DO NOT come into #debian and ask for a list of FTP server passwords. |
| 12:53.37 | Akuw | ohhh |
| 12:53.38 | epony | Akuw, which FTPd program are you using? |
| 12:53.40 | greycat | What in the HELL makes you think that is an acceptable question here. |
| 12:53.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | ohhh |
| 12:54.03 | Akuw | the questions is something like where is /etc/passwd |
| 12:54.13 | Akuw | just that |
| 12:54.15 | epony | Akuw, you do the explaining.. provide more technical details |
| 12:54.15 | greycat | It's in /etc/passwd. |
| 12:54.18 | ratrace | lol |
| 12:54.25 | Akuw | yes i know |
| 12:54.31 | Akuw | but for ftp server |
| 12:54.36 | epony | which one? |
| 12:54.37 | dvs | Akuw, same file |
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| 12:54.55 | greycat | There ISN'T a plain-text version of the /etc/passwd file where the passwords are stored. That is BY DESIGN. The only thing that's stored is the one-way hash of the password. NOT the password itself. |
| 12:55.04 | ratrace | Eryn_1983_FL: can't you take that as a hint from openswan to maybe make your password stronger? |
| 12:55.27 | Akuw | hummm |
| 12:55.46 | Akuw | damm |
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| 12:55.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | password i can change |
| 12:56.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | preshared key i cannot |
| 12:56.01 | ratrace | depending on which ftp server it is, and how its' configured, eg. vsftp can use a completeley separate passwd-like file for usernames and passwords |
| 12:56.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | less i feel the wrath of directors and sales peopl.. |
| 12:56.11 | greycat | So, if someone forgot their password, you can't "find out what it was". All you can do is set a new one for them. |
| 12:56.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | ops.. |
| 12:56.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | managers... |
| 12:56.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | *shudders* |
| 12:56.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | plus i am lowely admin. |
| 12:56.35 | centrix | net join testjoin says the box is NOT joined. |
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| 12:56.59 | centrix | we are still in doubt |
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| 12:57.11 | ratrace | Eryn_1983_FL: tried openvpn command line? |
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| 12:57.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | bi |
| 12:57.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | not yet |
| 12:57.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | never used it. |
| 12:57.47 | ratrace | Eryn_1983_FL: btw openswan... isn't that just for ipsec? |
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| 12:58.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | how should i know? |
| 12:58.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | i litterly just installed is 30 min ago |
| 12:58.45 | eb0t | i would expect anyone setting up an ftp server to also set up a password |
| 12:58.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | sorry strongswan... |
| 12:58.46 | ratrace | i was under impression that you're mandated by manager to do something... |
| 12:58.53 | eb0t | i dont think there is a list as such |
| 12:58.59 | vlt | ratrace: I'm sorry. I wasn't aware that Xen coulld be relevant to the problem. |
| 12:59.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | not openswan |
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| 12:59.05 | ratrace | Eryn_1983_FL: anyway, if you want vpn, theres OpenVPN |
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| 12:59.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | does it work with network-manager? |
| 12:59.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | or am i going to have to write a script to do it.. |
| 12:59.40 | ratrace | Eryn_1983_FL: afaik yes, nm does support openvpn |
| 12:59.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | strongswan |
| 13:00.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 13:00.12 | ratrace | you're now randomly tossing out terminology |
| 13:00.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | im must be blind |
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| 13:00.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | i thought u said nm does suppoer openswan.. |
| 13:00.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | apologies |
| 13:00.40 | ratrace | no, i said openvpn, *swan things are for ipsec iirc |
| 13:00.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | ill try out openvpn now |
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| 13:03.18 | ratrace | Eryn_1983_FL: nm should have a nice gui way of adding VPNs, like point and click style ; alternatively you can use openvpn on the command line directly ; depends what you need exactly |
| 13:03.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | nope |
| 13:03.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | openvpn will not work its not the same protocols as strongswan.. |
| 13:03.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | fml |
| 13:04.03 | ratrace | 14:51 < Eryn_1983_FL> so guys what other vpn tool can i use? |
| 13:04.09 | Akuw | greycat: sorry |
| 13:04.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | tool for the same protocol.. |
| 13:04.25 | ratrace | so uh.... WHAT exactly do you want to do here..... |
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| 13:04.58 | ratrace | swan is ipsec, vpn is vpn ipsec != vpn, though i guess vpn could work with ipsec to establish secure networking |
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| 13:05.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | allright my bad |
| 13:05.47 | vlt | xy? |
| 13:05.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | os i need another ipsec tool... |
| 13:06.11 | greycat | you're still not explaining what the basic goal is |
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| 13:07.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | its a L2TP/IPSEC PSK VPN |
| 13:07.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am trying to get a client setup for it in linux |
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| 13:07.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got a username and password and a preshared key, |
| 13:07.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | i tried to use the swan crap but its demanding i have a 20 char password and a 20char preshare key. |
| 13:07.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | which is unaccaptable. |
| 13:07.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | alternatives? |
| 13:08.07 | Haohmaru | yeah 20 is kinda short |
| 13:08.08 | Haohmaru | ;P~ |
| 13:08.13 | ratrace | Eryn_1983_FL: "Open source and Linux: xl2tpd, Linux RP-L2TP, OpenL2TP, l2tpns, l2tpd (inactive), Linux L2TP/IPsec server, FreeBSD multi-link PPP daemon, OpenBSD npppd(8), ACCEL-PPP - PPTP/L2TP/PPPoE server for Linux" |
| 13:08.41 | ratrace | from the wikipedia |
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| 13:09.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | mmm |
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| 13:23.37 | oliv3 | hi, after upgrading it seems i lost everything in /boot, which is quite annoying :/ any idea how to fix this ? |
| 13:24.18 | karlpinc | Eryn_1983_FL: FWIW, I find IPSec much more annoying to setup than other VPN technologies. |
| 13:24.45 | ratrace | oliv3: technically you can reinstall /boot by reinstalling the kernel and then grub ; but the real question is why and how did you lose it, will it happen again! |
| 13:25.08 | nifker | What does it mean when notify-send is not a valid command? |
| 13:25.17 | karlpinc | oliv3: Try checking the buster release notes and see if you followed the instructions. It also has a troubleshooting section for when things go wrong. |
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| 13:27.06 | karlpinc | Eryn_1983_FL: I find openvpn simpler. Depending on what you want to do, an ssh tunnel is often sufficient. There's also stunnel. Wireguard is cool, but I don't know if it interoperates with anything but Linux. |
| 13:27.43 | karlpinc | !tell nifker about errors |
| 13:28.00 | nifker | "fish: Unknown command notify-send" |
| 13:28.58 | karlpinc | nifker: Then you need the libnotify-bin package installed. |
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| 13:29.14 | karlpinc | nifker: (I used apt-file to find the package.) |
| 13:29.26 | oliv3 | i was upgrading to sid, and saw no errors when doing that.. that's really strange |
| 13:30.10 | oliv3 | and now i can access this server only with an ubuntu in rescue mode |
| 13:30.16 | karlpinc | oliv3: Ah. Sid. That breaks. And isn't supported in this channel. Maybe in #debian-next? (I forget) |
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| 13:30.42 | ratrace | oliv3: you should not be using sid if you can't solve problems like this on yourself, and this is a rather trivial one |
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| 13:31.21 | micromande | is there anyone who know how to properly configure alsa? |
| 13:31.29 | nifker | Ok how do I set the notification daemon in dbus? |
| 13:31.46 | karlpinc | !alsa-checklist |
| 13:31.46 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 13:32.12 | micromande | yeah I did all of that |
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| 13:32.56 | karlpinc | micromande: Then you'll have to provide detail about what you tried and what your problem is and how you know that's what your problem is. |
| 13:32.58 | micromande | I am using archlinux but I think alsa is the same on debian? The problem is that only my left speaker is working |
| 13:33.10 | ratrace | lol! |
| 13:33.22 | micromande | lsmod | grep snd: |
| 13:33.26 | ratrace | you could ask in #windows too, windows works on the same hardware, right |
| 13:33.28 | micromande | snd_hda_codec_hdmi 65536 3 |
| 13:33.29 | micromande | hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_codec_cirrus |
| 13:33.31 | micromande | _hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_timer,snd_pcm |
| 13:33.39 | karlpinc | micromande: I would check the wires. But arch is offtopic here. |
| 13:34.01 | micromande | aplay -l |
| 13:34.02 | micromande | **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** |
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| 13:34.39 | micromande | yeah but alsa is not distribution specific ? |
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| 13:35.52 | humpled | have you checked alsamixer? sometimes you can raise and lower the left and right channels with obscure keys |
| 13:36.00 | ratrace | micromande: isn't there #archlinux here on freenode? |
| 13:36.06 | humpled | i've done it myself by mistake sometimes |
| 13:36.16 | micromande | yeah but they are so ignorat they dont help me |
| 13:36.18 | micromande | the igonr me |
| 13:36.41 | micromande | I was jusing debian my whol life and the community was way better |
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| 13:38.02 | nixonix | when its a good time to go back to testing without getting too unstable stuff from there? (i switched from testing to stable for awhile for that reason) |
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| 13:39.48 | greycat | Whenever bullseye freezes. |
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| 13:40.16 | nixonix | micromande: are you sure you dont have problem with plug and jack? i just had a similar problem with my phones jack, and was solved with using an extension cord |
| 13:40.50 | nixonix | greycat: ok thanks. approximately, when should that happen? |
| 13:40.56 | micromande | its about the internal speakers |
| 13:40.59 | greycat | 2 or 3 years |
| 13:41.08 | micromande | by default i think i just get analog output |
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| 13:41.24 | nixonix | oh, maybe i dont live that long... |
| 13:41.34 | micromande | but when I change my device in alsa.conf there is no sound at all |
| 13:41.40 | micromande | not even on the right speaker |
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| 13:42.09 | humpled | have you tried a debian live usb? |
| 13:42.10 | ratrace | nixonix: conflicting demands are like that, mind shattering |
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| 13:43.37 | micromande | I was using Ubuntu live but It wont boot so I tried Xubunu with Xfce and there is no problem, than I looked into the configuration file and came to the conclusion that it is using pulseaudio |
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| 13:46.17 | nixonix | i read "Perhaps wait a week or two for the worst of the storm to pass, monitor the appropriate Debian mailing lists, then run apt full-upgrade and see what happens. If something gets broken, make nice bug reports." |
| 13:46.34 | nixonix | so perhaps a few months, and then it shouldnt be too unstable... |
| 13:48.29 | ratrace | nixonix: your logic makes little sense. right now, stable and testing are close, so testing is very stable ; as time passes it'll be less so |
| 13:48.53 | nixonix | ok |
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| 13:49.16 | greycat | ratrace: no, nixonix is much closer to the truth. |
| 13:49.50 | greycat | Debian developers are like children with toys they want to play with. But during a freeze, they can't play with their toys. They have to wait. When the freeze is lifted (i.e. NOW), the toy box is open again. |
| 13:49.56 | ratrace | greycat: how so, the testing branch was just recently cut off to buster.... |
| 13:50.04 | nixonix | so maybe i just should follow the current stability situation if using testing? |
| 13:50.06 | greycat | So all the stuff they weren't allowed to do during the freeze, they're doing NOW. |
| 13:50.06 | ratrace | ah, the post-freeze update storm |
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| 14:04.19 | nixonix | i remember buster testing, xfce at least, was considered pretty stable by the end of 2017. so my idea of letting it a few months to settle down should work, i guess |
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| 14:05.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | karlpinc: its not like i have a choce in vpn, i got to use what company uses.... |
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| 14:13.55 | fox64 | Hello everyone, I was lucky to get a cheap Radeon VII and I have red that it works perfectly fine from kernel 4.20 upwards. Unfortunately Buster comes with 4.19. Do you think I should use testing or just upgrade the kernel? |
| 14:14.02 | fox64 | *I have read |
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| 14:16.19 | fox64 | that said, I don't know how to upgrade the kernel |
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| 14:18.24 | rant | ,kernels |
| 14:18.25 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-6); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-4~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u4); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u4~deb8u1) |
| 14:19.14 | fox64 | ok, but what do you suggest for getting hardware support? using debian testing or upgrading the kernel in buster? |
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| 14:19.26 | rant | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 14:19.28 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u7; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9+80+deb9u8; stretch-backports: 4.19+105~bpo9+1; bullseye: 4.19+105; buster: 4.19+105; sid: 4.19+105 |
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| 14:19.49 | rant | upgrading to testing/unstable would do nothing as they don't yet have a new kernel |
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| 14:20.34 | fox64 | ok, thanks for letting me know |
| 14:21.08 | rant | currently the only debian option is the experimental kernel... you'd have to compile from upstream if you needed something else, or wait |
| 14:21.09 | fox64 | I guess I should take a look at the proprietary drivers then |
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| 14:24.07 | rant | fox64: https://mirrors.edge.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-5.0.0-trunk-amd64-unsigned_5.0.2-1~exp1_amd64.deb |
| 14:24.22 | rant | could be used for the time being |
| 14:24.52 | fox64 | I will check it out :) |
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| 14:25.28 | greycat | ,kernels |
| 14:25.29 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-6); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-4~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u4); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u4~deb8u1) |
| 14:25.34 | greycat | kinda surprising. |
| 14:25.39 | fox64 | If anyone who worked on Debian Buster is around I want to let you know that it works great for me so far. Thanks and good job. |
| 14:25.57 | greycat | I guess none of the hyperactive childr-- Debian developers wanted to play with a new kernel. |
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| 14:27.00 | fox64 | not being on the bleeding edge is something I like about Debian tbh |
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| 14:28.40 | rant | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/linux |
| 14:28.50 | rant | seems to suggest this is held up by python2-rm |
| 14:29.03 | rant | which I don't really see what python has to do with the kernel.. |
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| 14:31.11 | fox64 | interesting |
| 14:31.14 | rant | ubuntu has 5.2.0 but has like 3x as many bugs filed against it as we have :P |
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| 14:31.27 | fox64 | well ubuntu is ubuntu ... |
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| 14:31.54 | rant | some say its an ancient african word for "can't install/configure debian" |
| 14:31.57 | fox64 | if it was just about the kernel for me I could just use Ubuntu 19.04 or Arch |
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| 14:32.44 | uRock | rant, lol |
| 14:33.03 | uRock | that was true for me in the beginning, like 10 years ago. |
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| 14:33.26 | uRock | Recently switched all of my systems to Debian and love it |
| 14:34.07 | rant | has used Debian exclusively since circa 2002-2003ish 2.2r6 Potato |
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| 14:36.04 | fox64 | burn me for this but |
| 14:36.11 | fox64 | uses macOS at work as well |
| 14:36.32 | rant | there are worse things one could have to use |
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| 14:38.35 | fox64 | Windows 10 for example. I feel sorry for everyone who actually needs to deal with that |
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| 14:40.09 | ratrace | i'm installing win10 as we speak! |
| 14:40.32 | fox64 | oh, sorry to hear that. I hope it works for you :D |
| 14:40.44 | ratrace | i'm sick of this linux thing, i'm going back! |
| 14:40.57 | fox64 | nice |
| 14:41.17 | ratrace | j/k lol .... nah, i need it to play Destiny2, so I'll dualboot with anothre drive for now, until i get it under a vm with gpu passthru |
| 14:41.32 | jmcnaught | long to accumulate in some spots.. Especially the water cooler and fans |
| 14:41.32 | jmcnaught | tedrampart |
| 14:41.32 | jmcnaught | prob going to redo the fans in the streaming pc.. I think I will do better if I'm pulling cold air into the case and blowing it out the water cooler.. |
| 14:41.49 | jmcnaught | sorry mouse issue |
| 14:41.54 | ratrace | middle click lol |
| 14:41.56 | fox64 | I can recommend passthroughpo.st |
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| 14:42.21 | fox64 | ^ www |
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| 14:48.43 | karlpinc | fox64: You can always compile your own kernel. There's a kernel handbook at debian.org. (But I don't if there are issues when running the latest kernel with debian. I've done it in the past, but things change.) |
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| 14:50.11 | BCMM | karlpinc: "don't break userspace" is a big deal for kernel developers. so if old debian doesn't work on new kernels, that'd probably be considered a kernel bug |
| 14:51.58 | karlpinc | BCMM: You'd think. But why do they then ever bump the major kernel version? Just because "bigger numbers are better"? (I used to pay attention to such policy, but don't any more.) |
| 14:52.24 | greycat | Linus bumped it to 5 because he didn't want 4.21. There's a post about it. |
| 14:52.47 | BCMM | karlpinc: they bumped 2.0 because the kernel got smp support, which they figured was a big enough re-write to warrant a major version. since then, it's basically whenever the minor number is too big |
| 14:52.57 | greycat | It's like the openbsd numbering, where 4.9 is followed by 5.0 |
| 14:53.12 | karlpinc | I see. |
| 14:53.26 | BCMM | karlpinc: current policy is that the major version gets bumped when "linus runs out of fingers and toes" |
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| 14:55.07 | greycat | https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/1/6/178 "The numbering change is not indicative of anything special. If you |
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| 14:55.10 | greycat | want to have an official reason, it's that I ran out of fingers and |
| 14:55.12 | greycat | toes to count on, so 4.21 became 5.0." |
| 14:55.18 | greycat | ... crap, I thought that would paste as a single line |
| 14:55.23 | rant | heh.. |
| 14:55.31 | BCMM | he used the same reason for 3 -> 4, iirc |
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| 14:57.08 | fox64 | there were a lot of 2.6 variants |
| 14:57.38 | greycat | they used different release strategies and numbering strategies then |
| 14:57.52 | BCMM | basically the idea is that numbers like 2.6.39.4 are excessively confusing, and he doesn't want it to get that bad again |
| 14:58.00 | karlpinc | fox64: Anyhow, compling a kernel is not so hard. (Knowing when you're supposed to compile another because of some security problem is something I don't have a good procedure for.) |
| 14:58.18 | fox64 | I have no idea how to compile my own kernel |
| 14:58.27 | fox64 | I'm more a user, sorry |
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| 14:59.52 | BCMM | fox64: it's actually really easy to compile, compared to other software projects of a similar scale |
| 15:00.08 | BCMM | partly because it doesn't really have external dependencies, and partly because it has a really nice build configuration system |
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| 15:00.09 | fox64 | any tutorial you can link me? I'd love to try it |
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| 15:00.30 | fox64 | could make a good CPU benchmark |
| 15:00.44 | BCMM | i'm not sure if there's one i'd specifically recommend, but the procedure is basically this: |
| 15:01.56 | greycat | Last time I messed with building a kernel was a long time ago (2.6 days), and the configuration was an utter NIGHTMARE. There were hundreds of questions that you had to answer. It took an hour. |
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| 15:02.07 | BCMM | get kernel source code, copy a debian kernel config file in to the directory (you can find the one you're currently using in /boot/), do `make oldconfig; make -j4 bindeb-pkg` |
| 15:02.29 | fox64 | nice I will just do that now |
| 15:02.33 | han-solo | fun |
| 15:02.40 | greycat | I guess you're skipping what I'm sure would be 4+ hours by now by using someone else's answers. |
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| 15:02.43 | BCMM | greycat: that's why you start with debian's kernel config - you only have to answer the handful of questions that are from new code |
| 15:03.03 | BCMM | greycat: it takes waaay less than 4 hours to set up a decent kernel config from scratch, though |
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| 15:03.27 | BCMM | fox64: make -j4 is for a quad-core. make it however many CPUs you have for the fastest build |
| 15:03.41 | fox64 | 3700X so -j16 ? |
| 15:03.54 | rant | idk, the config took about the same time as 2.6 when I tried it on 5.0 months ago.. but I never did get it to build, I couldnt scrounge up enough disk space.. it seemed to require well over 20GB of space to compile |
| 15:03.59 | BCMM | fox64: make bindeb-pkg will create a some .deb files in the kernel's source directory, that you can install using dpkg |
| 15:04.14 | fox64 | dpgk -i ? |
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| 15:04.26 | rant | and I'd fine tuned it to my hardware as best as I could.. so idk wth I was doing wrong or if its just ridiculously large now for some reason |
| 15:04.34 | greycat | fox64: yes, but spell dpkg correctly ;-) |
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| 15:04.59 | BCMM | fox64: you might find tutorials telling you to manually copy the kernel to /boot - ignore those tutorials! linux's build system can make debian packages, which gives you the ability to cleanly uninstall |
| 15:05.21 | fox64 | I just want to compile it in some directory first to get comfortable |
| 15:05.22 | BCMM | and also it should trigger hooks to automatically update the bootloader config |
| 15:05.27 | fox64 | no interest in breaking my system :D |
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| 15:05.35 | rant | I only have a 128GB SSD on this machine, I rarely have more than 20GB free space lying around |
| 15:05.46 | greycat | making a .deb file is utterly harmless (unless you fill a file system) |
| 15:05.59 | fox64 | oh I have a nice ZFS file server ... 10/10 would recommend |
| 15:06.03 | BCMM | fox64: you can do what i described as a normal user, in any directory. you only need to be root when you use dpkg to actually install the .deb |
| 15:06.04 | greycat | *installing* a kernel .deb file is meaningful, but even then, you have other kernels you can boot if this one doesn't |
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| 15:06.33 | greycat | so, a kernel is actually one of the least damaging things you can build and install, assuming it doesn't corrupt your file systems or something |
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| 15:06.36 | rant | I had used whatever make command to make deb files when I'd tried to build 5.x idk if that was what was taking all the space or what |
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| 15:06.44 | BCMM | fox64: by the way, a possibly easier way to get a recent kernel is to use the liquorix repo. just don't expect the debian community to support it. |
| 15:06.51 | BCMM | https://liquorix.net/ |
| 15:07.06 | greycat | (also assuming you are doing it on a local system, not a remote server) |
| 15:07.09 | rant | last time I built a kernel we still used kernel-package |
| 15:07.17 | fox64 | I don't expect anything from you guys :) I'm just happy if I can make my Radeon VII work with the free drivers |
| 15:07.42 | dvs | fox64, probably too early for that. |
| 15:07.53 | fox64 | 4.20 and upwards is perfectly fine |
| 15:07.57 | BCMM | it comes with a bunch of performance patches that make it a bit less vanilla than what you'll get by just building upstream sources, though |
| 15:08.01 | fox64 | at least for my work |
| 15:08.25 | BCMM | fox64: you've got the firmware for your graphics card, right? that's packaged separately from the actual driver |
| 15:08.28 | greycat | you could also just install an ubuntu kernel package, probably |
| 15:08.36 | fox64 | fuck |
| 15:08.38 | fox64 | no |
| 15:08.59 | fox64 | ok let me first try to compile a kernel |
| 15:08.59 | BCMM | fox64: you need firmware-amd-graphics, from the non-free archive area |
| 15:09.04 | fox64 | I just installed build-essential |
| 15:09.30 | BCMM | without that, the amdgpu driver won't work properly on any kernel version |
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| 15:10.53 | fox64 | thanks for letting me know |
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| 15:11.30 | karlpinc | dpkg: |
| 15:11.30 | dpkg | karlpinc: no idea |
| 15:11.52 | fox64 | so I git cloned this |
| 15:11.54 | fox64 | https://github.com/torvalds/linux.git |
| 15:11.57 | fox64 | correct? |
| 15:12.11 | BCMM | fox64: oh god no, don't do that! |
| 15:12.16 | fox64 | ok |
| 15:12.17 | BCMM | fox64: use a kernel release, not the latest git sources |
| 15:12.29 | karlpinc | !kernel handbook |
| 15:12.29 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.debian.net/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
| 15:13.27 | BCMM | karlpinc: if you're not going to actually try to get it in debian's repos, is there anything wrong with just using make binpkg-deb instead of all that? it's a heck of a lot simpler |
| 15:13.39 | karlpinc | fox64: So there's the offical instructions. |
| 15:14.19 | karlpinc | BCMM: Dunno. The goal is to have a .deb package for the kernel. Presumably the offical instructions give the "best" way to do this. |
| 15:14.59 | BCMM | bindeb-pkg rather |
| 15:15.43 | karlpinc | It's nice to have offical instructions instead of having people follow random advice from strangers on the internet in some blog post. :) |
| 15:15.55 | BCMM | karlpinc: oh, looks like the instructions actually suggest make deb-pkg now, in some circumstances |
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| 15:16.21 | karlpinc | BCMM: If you think there's a better way and are able to be help to help fox64 through the process, fine with me. |
| 15:17.35 | BCMM | karlpinc: i'm pretty much find with a subset of what's in the handbook. it's just that it's mostly geared towards modifying debian kernels, with using newer upstream sources as a footnote |
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| 15:19.05 | BCMM | fox64: to clarify: that github page is a mirror of the live development repo of the linux kernel. you should probably use a kernel "release" instead (something the kernel developers cleaned up a bit and gave a version number to). you can download tarballs from kernel.org. |
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| 15:19.26 | karlpinc | I haven't actually looked at it. (And also have not built a kernel since the days of make-kpg or whatever the tool was.) |
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| 15:21.17 | karlpinc | I too find tarballs easier and more assured than figuring out the "git way" to get the right version. |
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| 15:42.32 | BCMM | fox64: that's a point, actually. if you're familiar with git, you could clone linux with git and then checkout a release versions from that |
| 15:42.42 | BCMM | but that would involve using the stable tree, not the torvalds tree |
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| 15:43.32 | BCMM | karlpinc: i bisected a driver problem i had a few months ago. i had some sort of problem with outdated information in the official instructions, before i gave up and just used the kernel's own .deb packaging |
| 15:43.47 | BCMM | i think it was unnecessary invocation of fakeroot? |
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| 16:03.54 | r4co0n | Updating Debian buster, I got security updates for exim4 today. Since I have needrestart set-up to restart services holding deprecated files automatically, I was wondering why it didn't report anything. exim4 was, according to systemctl, restarted when upgrading, but no such message (Ã la 'Restarting foo...') was in apt's upgrade output. Is this new expected behaviour or a malbehaving package upgrade? |
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| 16:06.07 | ikus060 | Hello, I've upgrade to debian buster recently, an I just notice I can't run .jnlp file any more. Javaws deosn't seams to be available anywhere either. |
| 16:06.11 | greycat | "needrestart" doesn't matter here -- you upgraded exim4 itself, and that is enough to make exim4 get restarted |
| 16:06.25 | greycat | as for there not being a message about it in apt-get's output, I have no idea |
| 16:06.28 | Robby | With what has the "telnet-ssl" package been replaced in Buster? it doesn't exist anymore |
| 16:06.55 | greycat | ,v telnet-ssl |
| 16:06.56 | judd | Package: telnet-ssl on amd64 -- jessie: 0.17.24+0.1-24; stretch: 0.17.41+0.2-3; sid: 0.17.41+0.2-3.2 |
| 16:07.06 | Robby | it was a nice tool for some troubleshooting and whatnot |
| 16:07.25 | Robby | (due to it supporting TLS) |
| 16:07.29 | greycat | https://tracker.debian.org/news/1012336/netkit-telnet-ssl-removed-from-testing/ |
| 16:08.01 | greycat | links to #912132 |
| 16:08.02 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/912132 in src:netkit-telnet-ssl (closed, patch): «netkit-telnet-ssl misses the generator for configure»; severity: serious; opened: 2018-10-16; last modified: 2019-07-07. |
| 16:08.18 | greycat | so you'd want to dive into that bug report to see why it was removed from buster |
| 16:08.21 | Robby | ah, thanks, I was searching around but couldn't directly find anything |
| 16:08.26 | Robby | I'll give it a read |
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| 16:10.55 | ProfesoraDeYogaV | hola buenas tardes |
| 16:11.15 | ProfesoraDeYogaV | estoy un poco perdida |
| 16:11.19 | greycat | !es |
| 16:11.19 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
| 16:11.29 | ProfesoraDeYogaV | creo que me equivoqué de red |
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| 16:11.56 | r4co0n | greycat, I think it's really nice that the packages detect needing a reload that doesn't interrupt services themselves. However, I think it is crucial that restarting a service is mentioned in the upgrade output. https://paste.debian.net/1093078/ is what I got upgrading and checking exim4. |
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| 16:12.51 | greycat | I just did it on stretch, and it says it's "Setting up" packages, just like yours. |
| 16:13.06 | greycat | I'm not sure if "Setting up" implies restarting daemons. |
| 16:13.15 | r4co0n | greycat, generally, it does not. |
| 16:13.38 | r4co0n | greycat, it says setting up when executing postinstall |
| 16:14.32 | jhutchins_wk | How would you not expect to restart a service you had asked to be upgraded? |
| 16:15.00 | jhutchins_wk | Why would you bother to upgrade if you didn't want to run the new code? |
| 16:15.11 | TvL2386 | hey all, I've got a microsd card which seems to be corrupted. I get 'EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem'. Any e2fsck I want to run fails because it wants to write, which it can't |
| 16:15.25 | TvL2386 | I got this microsd from my rpi which won't boot anymore due to power outage |
| 16:15.51 | jhutchins_wk | TvL2386: The filesystem should not be mounted when you run fsck. |
| 16:15.52 | TvL2386 | is this sdcard dead or are there any cool commands to fix it... I can mount with "-o noload" and am copying all data now |
| 16:16.14 | ProfesoraDeYogaV | nadie puede ayudar? |
| 16:16.17 | TvL2386 | jhutchins_wk: yeah I know... I put the sdcard in, unmounted it and tried to fix it |
| 16:16.51 | greycat | ProfesoraDeYogaV: /join #debian-es |
| 16:17.03 | ProfesoraDeYogaV | lo hice y nadie responde |
| 16:17.24 | r4co0n | ProfesoraDeYogaV, then try in English :P |
| 16:17.24 | greycat | Only English here, please. |
| 16:17.32 | ProfesoraDeYogaV | ok |
| 16:17.36 | ProfesoraDeYogaV | mmm |
| 16:17.51 | TvL2386 | this is the only way to get the data: 'sudo mount -o noload /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/rpi/root' |
| 16:18.10 | ProfesoraDeYogaV | I think that I mistake the net |
| 16:18.33 | ProfesoraDeYogaV | and i donut know who to exit |
| 16:18.53 | ProfesoraDeYogaV | i donut know to exit this net |
| 16:19.02 | ProfesoraDeYogaV | sorry corrector |
| 16:19.07 | greycat | 12:19 CTCP VERSION reply from ProfesoraDeYogaV: Kiwi IRC |
| 16:19.13 | ProfesoraDeYogaV | don´t know |
| 16:19.16 | TvL2386 | to be clear, I put this sdcard in my laptop and am not booting from it |
| 16:19.21 | greycat | I know nothing about Kiwi IRC, unfortunately. |
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| 16:19.45 | r4co0n | TvL2386, first thing you should do is use ddrescue or a similar tool to get all the data that's still on your sdcard. Furtheron, you can work with a image to repair the volume or rescue individual files. |
| 16:19.52 | ProfesoraDeYogaV | I wanted to speak in the net Chat Hispano |
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| 16:20.25 | ProfesoraDeYogaV | and i don´t know what entry here |
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| 16:20.35 | TvL2386 | r4co0n: yeah I can mount it with "-o noload" and am currently doing `tar -cpf rpi.root.tar /mnt/rpi/root/` which seems to work |
| 16:22.30 | r4co0n | TvL2386, if you can grab what's valuable to you, I would go forward trying to reimage your sdcard. But keep in mind that it failed you once, it might have been software, but it could have been early signs of a failing piece of equipment. |
| 16:23.31 | TvL2386 | r4co0n: well.. this dude from the power company installed a new meter... So I think the rpi may have not liked to have the power to turn on/off multiple times |
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| 16:24.29 | r4co0n | TvL2386, but this also wouldn't be the most implausible story to tell when the power guy toasted your sdcard ;) |
| 16:25.16 | TvL2386 | :) |
| 16:25.53 | r4co0n | TvL2386, if it is being detected and working without errors, you are most probably fine. (I would still mark the sdcard as possibly broken.) |
| 16:26.56 | TvL2386 | r4co0n: thx! I'll grab my files and reimage the sdcard and we'll see what happens... unfortunately I don't have a spare around at the moment |
| 16:27.19 | ChmEarl | TvL2386, the new meter is a smart meter? those have 2 internal networks, one wifi to upload your stats, the other is IP over AC to sense your modern appliances that can talk |
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| 16:28.01 | TvL2386 | ChmEarl: I've asked the dude and he said it uses cdma? Which doesn't use wifi. It has no ports and I didn't have to give them any wifi info |
| 16:28.34 | TvL2386 | which is a shame... I was already dreaming of snmp probing that thing and graphing stuff :) |
| 16:28.46 | ChmEarl | TvL2386, ok, not wifi, but some wireless protocol |
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| 16:30.48 | TvL2386 | ChmEarl: it's this thing: https://www.landisgyr.eu/product/landisgyr-e360/ |
| 16:34.02 | r4co0n | TvL2386, get going with https://myriadrf.org/projects/component/limesdr/ or something alike if you want to find out what your smart home is doing :) |
| 16:36.03 | TvL2386 | r4co0n: interesting! |
| 16:37.15 | r4co0n | TvL2386, https://media.ccc.de/v/emf2018-505-an-introduction-to-software-defined-radio-sdr - Here is a short introduction. |
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| 16:37.35 | TvL2386 | :D |
| 16:39.37 | CrystalMath | why is it so difficult to change the code of a debian package before building> |
| 16:39.42 | CrystalMath | it's like debian makes it hard |
| 16:39.52 | CrystalMath | silently reverting things during debian/rules binary |
| 16:40.07 | ratrace | CrystalMath: make a patch |
| 16:41.09 | CrystalMath | what if i just want to test a change? |
| 16:41.30 | r4co0n | CrystalMath, you simply downloaded a deb-src and want to rebuild with your changes? |
| 16:41.34 | CrystalMath | yes |
| 16:41.39 | CrystalMath | well, i used apt source |
| 16:41.43 | CrystalMath | so it's all unpacked |
| 16:41.47 | ChmEarl | CrystalMath, write a sed edit inline to the d/rules |
| 16:42.11 | r4co0n | CrystalMath, where does `dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc` leave you? |
| 16:42.18 | CrystalMath | it gives me errors |
| 16:42.25 | CrystalMath | until i do dpkg-source --commit |
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| 16:42.48 | r4co0n | You probably want to use a more high-level build tool. |
| 16:43.17 | r4co0n | But that doesn't resolve you from reading https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 16:43.21 | TvL2386 | r4co0n: very interesting introduction video |
| 16:43.26 | TvL2386 | need popcorn |
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| 16:44.20 | r4co0n | TvL2386, we only have popcon, sorry. |
| 16:45.06 | CrystalMath | is there any way to skip the needless complexity |
| 16:45.12 | CrystalMath | and just build a package with my changes |
| 16:45.15 | TvL2386 | :) |
| 16:45.20 | CrystalMath | a sort of "--just-do-it" switch |
| 16:45.26 | CrystalMath | because i need to do a bunch of these, before i get it right |
| 16:45.31 | r4co0n | CrystalMath, the complexity you find needless is just a misunderstanding of the toolchain. |
| 16:45.34 | CrystalMath | the only way to test, is sadly, by installing as root |
| 16:45.58 | CrystalMath | the only thing i have to lose if it breaks is all the fonts |
| 16:46.14 | r4co0n | CrystalMath, as long as it is complex, you are holding it wrong. Sadly, build documentation for separate packages is often missing or outdated. |
| 16:46.59 | r4co0n | CrystalMath, have you read into git-buildpackage and pbuilder? |
| 16:47.12 | CrystalMath | oh i tried pbuilder |
| 16:47.15 | CrystalMath | that was waaay too complex |
| 16:47.33 | CrystalMath | not sure what git-buildpackage is |
| 16:47.36 | r4co0n | CrystalMath, follow the Debian wiki, it is good on this stuff. |
| 16:47.48 | CrystalMath | it says the quick and lazy way |
| 16:47.50 | CrystalMath | is to do |
| 16:47.56 | CrystalMath | fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 16:47.57 | r4co0n | CrystalMath, it's a wrapper around everything, including pbuilder and cowbuilder. |
| 16:48.00 | CrystalMath | but that somehow reverted my changes |
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| 16:49.14 | n-iCe | does Debian still support 32bits? |
| 16:49.19 | alkisg | Sure |
| 16:49.25 | r4co0n | CrystalMath, I scrolled back, but what are you trying to build. Is the source publicly available? |
| 16:49.37 | CrystalMath | yes, it's libfreetype |
| 16:49.55 | CrystalMath | i am literally changing the way libfreetype works |
| 16:50.04 | CrystalMath | and trying to test out each change |
| 16:50.05 | CrystalMath | in the C code |
| 16:50.10 | r4co0n | So, you can build the unchanged code? |
| 16:50.14 | CrystalMath | yes |
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| 16:50.42 | CrystalMath | but the changed code does not always build, as i make mistakes... |
| 16:51.21 | CrystalMath | unfortunately, it is not possible to test libfreetype without installing it, for some reason |
| 16:51.28 | CrystalMath | i try to ask people for help without success |
| 16:51.38 | rant | n-iCe: 686 or better machines i.e. Pentium M or such |
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| 16:51.41 | r4co0n | Normally, you add an entry to debian/changelog, indicating your new version before building. dch can do this for you. You want something like `~testingmyrebuild1` appended to the version. |
| 16:52.12 | r4co0n | CrystalMath, but I think you are holding it wrong. (tm apple) |
| 16:52.25 | CrystalMath | okay |
| 16:52.27 | CrystalMath | i think this worked |
| 16:52.29 | CrystalMath | now what i did is |
| 16:52.32 | CrystalMath | made the change |
| 16:52.37 | CrystalMath | made sure it's correct (manually) |
| 16:52.41 | CrystalMath | dpkg-source --commit |
| 16:52.48 | CrystalMath | which created a patch file |
| 16:52.53 | CrystalMath | then dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc |
| 16:52.58 | CrystalMath | seems to have created one |
| 16:53.07 | CrystalMath | the debian/tmp stuff has my change in it |
| 16:53.21 | jhutchins_wk | !enter |
| 16:53.21 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:54.00 | r4co0n | CrystalMath, congratulations, still skim through the new maintainer's guide, it has loads of valuable information, if you plan to use this changed package for a long time. |
| 16:54.31 | CrystalMath | jhutchins_wk: on my channels we enforce a 40-char line limit |
| 16:55.07 | CrystalMath | jhutchins_wk: it keeps things frantic and wild |
| 16:55.11 | r4co0n | CrystalMath, there's no such limit here, better get used to it. Apologies accepted. |
| 16:55.28 | r4co0n | There is a flood limit though. |
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| 16:55.39 | CrystalMath | i'm sort of joking :P i don't kick people over how they write their messages |
| 16:56.07 | petn-randall | The flood limit might kick you though, if you send to many lines to the channel. |
| 16:56.22 | n-iCe | Do I need debian nonfree if I want a installation using my wifi card, am I right? |
| 16:56.32 | jhutchins_wk | CrystalMath: Consider using some other platform to document procedures. It's good that you're sharing what worked, it's just that it fills up the scroll buffer until no-one else can be heard. |
| 16:56.50 | rant | n-iCe: not necessarily, but there are installer images that have the firmware included |
| 16:56.52 | greycat | n-iCe: officially, "it depends on the card", but in reality, "yes" |
| 16:56.55 | jhutchins_wk | n-iCe: Depends entirely on what chipset it has. |
| 16:57.02 | r4co0n | petn-randall, been there, done that. |
| 16:57.12 | n-iCe | iwlwifi is my driver I think rant greycat jhutchins_wk |
| 16:57.38 | rant | n-iCe: thats irrelevant.. drivers support many firmwares and devices.. |
| 16:57.41 | noodlepie | I'm running Debian 10/Stable on our communal PC, I have a problem in that I seem to have installed some kerberos/krb5 packages that divert "passwd" to the non-working Kerberos mechanism. |
| 16:57.51 | n-iCe | rant: ok, let me check my model |
| 16:57.55 | rant | n-iCe: its best to just get the firmware installer to me sure |
| 16:58.06 | rant | n-iCe: there is nothing to lose/gain by this |
| 16:58.11 | noodlepie | Guys, is there a simple way to reset it to just use the /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow PAM module? I'm not sure what to remove, see! :) |
| 16:58.12 | n-iCe | rant: 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 73) |
| 16:58.28 | n-iCe | rant: ok, there are only netinstall on nonfree iso's right? |
| 16:58.37 | greycat | incorrect |
| 16:58.38 | n-iCe | I see a lot of trees, branchs, I'm a little confused. |
| 16:58.43 | rant | n-iCe: use -nn when doing that.. the pciid is whats relevant |
| 16:59.03 | noodlepie | I bought a cheap chinese WiFi dongle to power our guest WiFi LAN and to my utter amazement it came with some Linux drivers on the included CD! hehe |
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| 16:59.06 | n-iCe | rant: but, do I need nonfree |
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| 16:59.13 | greycat | the non-free images exist in both DVD-1 and netinst flavors, as well as a -edu- BD flavor for some reason |
| 16:59.18 | rant | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 [8086:08b2] (rev 83) is what I have |
| 16:59.19 | r4co0n | n-iCe, # apt-cache search intel 7260 firmware-iwlwifi - Binary firmware for Intel Wireless cards |
| 16:59.42 | n-iCe | I don't get it. |
| 16:59.49 | n-iCe | Do I need the nonfree version or normal one :p |
| 17:00.04 | r4co0n | n-iCe, you are right, install firmware-iwlwifi to get your driver, it is non-free. |
| 17:00.22 | n-iCe | r4co0n: in order to install that package I need internet=ethernet which I don't have. |
| 17:00.31 | n-iCe | So, the nonfree netinstall will work for me |
| 17:00.32 | n-iCe | thanks |
| 17:00.34 | petn-randall | n-iCe: If you want to use the wifi card *during* installation, you'll need the non-free installer. If you can install via e.g. Ethernet, the default installer is fine. |
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| 17:01.11 | jhutchins_wk | Not all wifi chipsets require non-free firmwarea. |
| 17:01.14 | noodlepie | I really don't want to have to reinstall the whole thing now that it is nearly working, can anyone help please? |
| 17:01.21 | r4co0n | petn-randall, I have been fine with injecting the drivers I want via USB when requested, but your mileage may vary. |
| 17:01.36 | noodlepie | Oh, BTW, the included CD drivers came as source code for Linux, GPL'd and all! |
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| 17:02.12 | rant | n-iCe: no one can ever say anything for certain with lspci output if you do not use -nn to show the pciid.. we have the same "name" of the device but likely different pciids |
| 17:02.36 | jhutchins_wk | noodlepie: I think maybe purging the kerberos packages would be a good guess at fixing it, but you could also examine what each package changed. It's likely they did something to the pam stack. |
| 17:02.36 | n-iCe | rant: :00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 [8086:08b1] (rev 73) |
| 17:02.46 | n-iCe | rant: 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 [8086:08b1] (rev 73) |
| 17:02.52 | jhutchins_wk | ,pciid 8086:08b1 |
| 17:02.54 | judd | [8086:08b1] is 'Wireless 7260' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:08b1 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 17:02.55 | petn-randall | noodlepie: Have you tried removing any package containing the string 'krb'? |
| 17:03.01 | r4co0n | n-iCe, that's the real thing :P |
| 17:03.04 | noodlepie | Ah, it seems to be cooking now, I've removed "krb5*" and the Kerberos PAM modules seems to be being removed, |
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| 17:03.27 | noodlepie | yeah, krb/krb5, same difference! Thanks petn-randall |
| 17:03.27 | jhutchins_wk | n-iCe: No firmware required. |
| 17:03.35 | n-iCe | so normal cd? |
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| 17:03.58 | jhutchins_wk | n-iCe: I would think so. You never really know until you try. |
| 17:04.06 | n-iCe | Uhm... |
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| 17:04.28 | elm_ | How can I see an ITP bug as an example? |
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| 17:04.42 | r4co0n | n-iCe, you are just asking to be sure, I assumed you tried and failed? |
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| 17:04.52 | elm_ | I have already tried to query for such bugs but I always get 500 Internal Server error or no results at all |
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| 17:05.10 | n-iCe | no sir, have not tried. |
| 17:05.15 | n-iCe | I downloaded nonfree netinstall, thank you guys |
| 17:05.26 | petn-randall | elm_: Here's an example for an ITP bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=862954 |
| 17:05.27 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/862954 in wnpp (open): «RFP: mvdsv -- a modern QuakeWorld server»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2017-05-19; last modified: 2018-08-24. |
| 17:05.31 | r4co0n | n-iCe, try with the free netinstall first |
| 17:06.01 | r4co0n | n-iCe, your card might be supported, just give it a shot |
| 17:06.02 | n-iCe | but what would be the differente I don't get it. |
| 17:06.10 | noodlepie | Ah, its ok now, I can change my passwd |
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| 17:06.19 | n-iCe | nonfree has something I don't want in my desktop? |
| 17:06.30 | r4co0n | n-iCe, you have no inauditable firmware for wireless installed. |
| 17:06.31 | greycat | non-free just adds some firmware and stuff. |
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| 17:06.59 | rant | yes, that card requires iwlwifi-7260-17.ucode from firmware-iwlwifi |
| 17:07.00 | r4co0n | n-iCe, non-free means you just can't know what you get. |
| 17:07.02 | greycat | The only reason to spurn the non-free images is because you're a Freedom purist, or because you need a full DVD set or something. |
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| 17:07.24 | n-iCe | ok, and can't I just download the normal iso, and add the driver or somethign in the usb ? |
| 17:07.29 | greycat | Yes. |
| 17:07.41 | noodlepie | Debian is great is you need binary, pre-built package, but really, if you have the horse-power (I have an 8 core i7 laptop) then Gentoo is really quite good too! |
| 17:07.47 | r4co0n | greycat, we are talking about the official images being sub-par because of less drivers? |
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| 17:07.49 | noodlepie | GNU/Linux is like Manna from Heaven! |
| 17:08.10 | greycat | r4co0n: I'm talking about a laptop user trying to install Debian |
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| 17:08.28 | n-iCe | Downloading https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-10.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 17:08.53 | r4co0n | greycat, I have (to my surprise) brought up quite some laptops without trying the all-drivers image. |
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| 17:09.28 | r4co0n | greycat, I would lie if I'd say I haven't used it, but it can be avoided more often than you'd think. |
| 17:10.04 | greycat | r4co0n: the problem being that when it *does* fail, you have a massive headache trying to fix it |
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| 17:11.17 | r4co0n | greycat, that's implying non-free doesn't fail, which is, after some thought, plainly ridiculous. |
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| 17:12.03 | r4co0n | If I got a stable open-source driver for something, I'd much rather trust it than the new idea vendor x wants to throw at me. |
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| 17:14.41 | n-iCe | Done, any tool to create the usb bootable in linux? |
| 17:15.54 | greycat | https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch04s03.en.html |
| 17:15.55 | r4co0n | n-iCe, last time i heard, you just use cp. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 17:16.12 | greycat | probably better to link to buster's notes than jessie's |
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| 17:16.43 | r4co0n | n-iCe, https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch02s04.en.html |
| 17:16.50 | r4co0n | greycat, thanks |
| 17:17.39 | n-iCe | good |
| 17:17.42 | n-iCe | brb time to reboot |
| 17:17.44 | n-iCe | wish me luck |
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| 17:18.06 | CrystalMath | i can't shake the feeling that a little conversation with freetype developers would have helped me solve this yesterday |
| 17:18.12 | CrystalMath | but they don't have an IRC channel :( |
| 17:18.25 | r4co0n | (Excluding that current release notes just plain skip this task) |
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| 17:22.50 | n-iCe | Did not work, asks me to load the firmware. |
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| 17:23.11 | r4co0n | n-iCe, using non-free installer already? |
| 17:23.19 | n-iCe | r4co0n: no, the one you told me |
| 17:23.22 | n-iCe | to try the normal iso |
| 17:23.27 | n-iCe | now gonna use the other one |
| 17:24.06 | r4co0n | r4co0n, you can sideload a specific deb, but you can also just use non-free, which has all of them. |
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| 17:24.09 | Akuw | i am trying to run a VPN software in my debian, but it needs a pre-shared key |
| 17:24.19 | n-iCe | brb again see you guys |
| 17:24.23 | Akuw | how can i load that psk |
| 17:24.38 | r4co0n | n-Ice, you can sideload a specific deb, but you can also just use non-free, which has all of them. |
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| 17:25.13 | r4co0n | Sorry for the unsuccessful work |
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| 17:27.24 | jhutchins_wk | Odd that the DB listing for that chipset doesn't mention firmware. That's usually reliable. |
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| 17:28.03 | greycat | can you show one that *does* point out needed firmware? |
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| 17:37.32 | AlpacaFace | Can't access debian wiki using proxy? |
| 17:38.02 | AlpacaFace | or vpn rather.. |
| 17:38.33 | jmcnaught | Some VPNs are blocked because of abuse. |
| 17:39.06 | AlpacaFace | got it, thnx |
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| 17:49.06 | omnio | hello, when a package is marked as automatically installed, is there a way to find out what was the package that requested/recommended it to be installed? |
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| 17:50.35 | jmcnaught | omnio: you can run 'aptitude why <package>' but it will only tell you the first reason it could find which might be some suggests dependency instead of the one that installed the automatic package. |
| 17:50.44 | jmcnaught | so it might tell you, might not |
| 17:51.46 | omnio | it's good enough, thanks |
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| 17:53.52 | greycat | There's no history mechanism within apt/aptitude. All it can do is examine the current state and the available packages. |
| 17:54.41 | jmcnaught | omnio: you could also review the logs in /var/log/apt if it's not already been rotated out |
| 17:54.48 | greycat | So anything like "which of my packages are from before buster" isn't directly answerable. All it can do is say "hey, this libssl1.0.0 package isn't in any of your lists". |
| 17:55.20 | petn-randall | omnio: You can also look at /var/log/apt/history.log* for which command installed that package. |
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| 17:56.41 | omnio | great info, thanks guys |
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| 17:57.12 | n-iCe | I'm here guys!! Selected xfce, hope I did good. |
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| 17:57.46 | greycat | "good" is for you to evaluate, not us |
| 17:58.08 | rant | you could do worse |
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| 18:02.14 | n-iCe | rant: greycat: is incredible fast |
| 18:02.25 | greycat | yay |
| 18:02.41 | n-iCe | thank you again |
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| 18:02.53 | n-iCe | it reminds me a lot to gnome2 |
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| 18:04.08 | rant | yeah, well gnome2 is now called MATE and is a much more mature codebase |
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| 18:04.44 | jhutchins_wk | rant: You think gnome is more mature than xfce? |
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| 18:05.07 | greycat | mature just means old, so you could check the start dates of the projects |
| 18:05.12 | rant | I didn't say anything about mate |
| 18:05.24 | rant | and I wasnt referring to age |
| 18:05.35 | rant | erm I didn't say anything about gnome I meant to say |
| 18:05.35 | greycat | then "mature" was the wrong word choice |
| 18:05.56 | rant | maturity is frequently used to refer to something other than age |
| 18:07.13 | rant | something I noticed recently on my system trying xfce and mate, I have a T440 and was using both VGA and DP output in addition to my laptop display... mate would restore whatever config I last used with whatever displays were connected upon connecting them, both audio and video, and xfce I had to manually change this |
| 18:07.19 | rant | is one such example |
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| 18:10.06 | rant | maturity in the sense I implied was an overall intuitive continuity of the UI to provide a robust and easily configurable user experience |
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| 18:10.31 | rant | xfce is nice, to be sure.. but its not yet up to par with all that has been achieved with mate |
| 18:10.43 | omnio | I guess xfce started more like a minimalistic desktop and they kept adding stuff, so the result was sort of a hybrid philosophy |
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| 18:11.09 | rant | yes and certain inconsistencies in there indicate such |
| 18:11.49 | greycat | A lot of people do seem happy with mate. Nice to hear. |
| 18:11.54 | nixonix | ive only used mate with mint, and it was awhile back. what is the default filemanager in mate? (debian) |
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| 18:12.05 | Cyanoxygen | Caja |
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| 18:12.22 | nixonix | i dont like it that much.. |
| 18:12.42 | alkisg | It's a fork of gnome 2 nautilus |
| 18:12.46 | alkisg | Like everything in mate... |
| 18:13.18 | Cyanoxygen | I used MATE in debian for years, and not encountering much problems |
| 18:13.49 | nixonix | i guess i have to install debian mate and give it a try |
| 18:14.16 | Cyanoxygen | Maybe you should not try it in production env |
| 18:15.17 | nixonix | i have to admint im not a fan of thunar, tho |
| 18:15.20 | Akuw | i am trying to run a VPN software in my debian, but it needs a pre-shared key |
| 18:15.32 | Akuw | how can i load pre-shared key |
| 18:15.50 | nixonix | i think i like dolphin |
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| 18:16.34 | greycat | 13:24 Akuw> i am trying to run a VPN software in my debian, but it needs a pre-shared key |
| 18:16.39 | greycat | 14:15 Akuw> i am trying to run a VPN software in my debian, but it needs a pre-shared key |
| 18:16.56 | Akuw | yes, no answer |
| 18:17.04 | greycat | Don't just hit the up arrow and the enter key. Show that you PURSUED your own question during that hour. Share what you learned during that hour. |
| 18:17.20 | Akuw | take it easy man, i send second message after almost 1 hour |
| 18:17.41 | Akuw | ilearned nothing, i was eating bro |
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| 18:17.50 | greycat | And you didn't put ANY EFFORT into it. No additional information given. No grammar/spelling changes (lower-case I). Nothing. |
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| 18:18.29 | greycat | !repeating |
| 18:18.30 | dpkg | We read your question the first time, and if we haven't replied, there's a good chance we either don't know, don't have time to answer, or someone doesn't like you. Repeating is annoying. <https://mikeash.com/getting_answers.html#no-repeats> |
| 18:18.31 | Akuw | greycat: you look like my mother LMAO |
| 18:18.50 | Akuw | ok |
| 18:18.58 | HEX0 | How long will Debian 10 be supported? |
| 18:19.29 | dvs | HEX0, At least a year after the release of bullseye |
| 18:19.32 | petn-randall | Akuw: If you can show that you put effort into getting an answer by yourself, people are a lot more willing to help you. |
| 18:19.40 | greycat | Until a minimum of 1 year after the release of Debian 11. In practice, usually there is LTS support for server packages (web servers, etc.) for 5 years from the stable release date. |
| 18:19.56 | Akuw | i did |
| 18:19.58 | petn-randall | Akuw: Also, ad-hominem attacks on other people in this channel won't get you very far. |
| 18:20.01 | jmcnaught | LTS supports more than server software |
| 18:20.14 | Akuw | attacks? |
| 18:20.23 | Akuw | i know greycat |
| 18:20.34 | Akuw | many times here |
| 18:20.37 | Cyanoxygen | We need to know what software do u use |
| 18:20.39 | greycat | If your mother looks like me, I feel sorry for her. |
| 18:20.40 | Akuw | so dont get angry |
| 18:20.50 | Akuw | hehehhe |
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| 18:21.11 | BCMM | HEX0: ~2022 https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases#Production_Releases |
| 18:21.21 | Akuw | i am using SonicWall VPN Client |
| 18:21.26 | HEX0 | I'm not super familiar with Debian life cycle. I wonder which stable release is best for desktop, how long can you use the browser and not have things break until you have to upgrade to the next major release |
| 18:21.38 | petn-randall | Akuw: So how far did you get in that one hour of research? |
| 18:21.49 | BCMM | HEX0: there will probably be LTS support after that (but LTS support is more limited than most people realise and certain caveats must be active taken in to account) |
| 18:21.56 | greycat | HEX0: for a desktop system, you generally want to upgrade to each new stable release. |
| 18:22.04 | petn-randall | HEX0: I'd go with the latest stable release on a desktop. |
| 18:22.06 | Akuw | well, i try to run using wine, because there is another application from same company |
| 18:22.10 | HEX0 | greycat: how often is that? |
| 18:22.20 | greycat | every 2-3 years, historically, but there is no fixed schedule |
| 18:22.22 | Akuw | one: NetExtender |
| 18:22.34 | greycat | !release history |
| 18:22.34 | dpkg | Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17), Buster (10; 2019-07-06). Next: Bullseye. http://deb.li/it56U |
| 18:22.34 | jhutchins_wk | Akuw: What does wine have to do with VPN? |
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| 18:22.35 | Akuw | two: Global VPN Client |
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| 18:23.10 | Akuw | because i was trying to run the software that request pre-shared key |
| 18:23.23 | Akuw | the extender don' t request that |
| 18:23.25 | BCMM | Akuw: you're not trying to run a VPN client through Wine, right? |
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| 18:24.04 | Akuw | yes, i was trying to install, but in final part i got an error to install |
| 18:24.05 | noodlepie | Well, it seems I managed to remove the Kerberos support thing, the system seem OK now! |
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| 18:24.54 | Akuw | the only thing i need now is to add pre-shared key to SonicWall NetExtender |
| 18:24.55 | noodlepie | I've used Debian for about 25 years, I installed it on our web servers when I worked in London for http://www.fortune-cookie.com, which Justin, the CEO, sole to www.possble.com and became the Vice Chair at UNICEF! |
| 18:25.37 | noodlepie | I even tried using Unstable, which back then was quite primitive compared to today's Debian. It all worked perfectly! Great work guys! |
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| 18:26.35 | jhutchins_wk | Akuw: In no way is this a Debian problem. You need to consult the documentation and support for the client you're trying to install. Chances are it won't work in wine. |
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| 18:26.52 | BCMM | Akuw: i am reasonably sure that you are not going to successfully run the Windows version of a VPN client on linux |
| 18:27.32 | Akuw | i am not sure, pre-shared key is related to OS |
| 18:27.38 | Akuw | not to the software |
| 18:27.48 | BCMM | wine works well for a large range of, like, normal applications. but a vpn client is not going to manage to use whatever API it uses to create a network interface on Windows |
| 18:28.09 | BCMM | Akuw: ah, so it's not the actual VPN client that you're trying to run in wine? |
| 18:28.15 | noodlepie | Sorry, that URL was supposed to be http://www.POSSIBLE.com/ - doh for typos! |
| 18:28.28 | Akuw | wine was only another test |
| 18:28.49 | Akuw | my concern now is make SonicWall NetExtender use pre-shared key |
| 18:28.58 | HEX0 | I'm looking for a distro for a non tech savy relative to replace the 5 year old Mint install. So far trying to decide between Debian, Xubuntu, Opensuse Leap |
| 18:29.37 | greycat | You'll be the tech support for that person, so choose whatever *you* are comfortable supporting. |
| 18:29.48 | Cyanoxygen | Cant help with |
| 18:29.55 | BCMM | HEX0: how non tech savy? enough that you'll basically be doing all maintenance anyway? or are you looking for something they'll actually be able to use totally independently? |
| 18:30.07 | jugglinmike | A recent security update for MySQL changed the root MySQL user account in a way that broke my application. I'd like to avoid this in the future by running a script every time the package is updated. Is that possible? Or is there another solution? |
| 18:30.11 | HEX0 | BCMM: basically pushing buttons to update and install packages |
| 18:30.23 | lol768 | Hello! |
| 18:30.30 | greycat | why would your application be using the root MySQL account |
| 18:30.34 | lol768 | I updated, and noticed I now have iptables and iptables-legacy |
| 18:30.56 | lol768 | am I safe to change the policy to ACCEPT for iptables-legacy and flush all the rules |
| 18:31.01 | jugglinmike | Not sure, greycat. Inherited it |
| 18:31.07 | HEX0 | BCMM: something that can handle automatic updates without fear of crashing mid update and nuking system |
| 18:31.11 | lol768 | (provided obviously that it looks safe in `iptables` :P) |
| 18:31.48 | BCMM | HEX0: debian stable is very good at not falling over because of updates. that's sort of it's whole point. |
| 18:32.00 | BCMM | needs manual attention every ~2 years when a new version comes out, though |
| 18:32.09 | Cyanoxygen | Just try debian stable then |
| 18:32.13 | Akuw | the problem is "Warning: self signed certificate" |
| 18:32.32 | HEX0 | BCMM: does it use gnome-software or something else ? |
| 18:32.35 | Akuw | and that is related to pre-share key because i test in a windows computer |
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| 18:33.03 | Akuw | in that, software request psk |
| 18:33.18 | noodlepie | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.23 | Cyanoxygen | Depends on which DE u use (how to say "gnome-software"?) |
| 18:34.06 | HEX0 | If I install the xfce one is there a GUI part that the user can use to find and install packages relatively easily? |
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| 18:35.43 | BCMM | HEX0: there are various graphical frontends available for apt |
| 18:36.17 | BCMM | afaik all desktop tasks install one, but not all the same one |
| 18:36.46 | HEX0 | I assume debian-live-10.0.0-amd64-xfce.iso would also install xfce desktop by default, so wondering if that is already preconfigured by hand holding for a "App Store" frontend |
| 18:37.11 | Cyanoxygen | Probably no |
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| 18:38.19 | BCMM | i usually only do netinstall, but i think it will still ask you what DE to install? |
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| 18:38.31 | Cyanoxygen | Mostly you could see is Synaptic or something similar to that |
| 18:38.41 | BCMM | and just have to download stuff from the web if you don't use the one it already has |
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| 18:39.26 | BCMM | HEX0: https://packages.debian.org/buster/task-xfce-desktop this is the metapackage you get when you install a debian xfce desktop. it recommends synaptic |
| 18:39.29 | Cyanoxygen | Me usually netinst too, if you choose xfce live cd here, maybe you should double-check that installer have chosen the right de during install |
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| 18:40.15 | noodlepie | It really comes down to how they feel about licensing my work under the GPL, which I feel is a great business tool to keeping the client coming back voluntarily! Keeping it free for all means new features get shared, with or without you. I sell GPL'd code as "Fun, free stuff you can do with a computer" - everyone gets that! |
| 18:40.23 | HEX0 | hmm I'm not sure if Synaptic will make sense to a grandma, and it seems I'd have to manually configure everything and hope I didn't forget anything |
| 18:41.28 | Cyanoxygen | Yes, even synaptic is not so friendly xd, but if you choose debian then you should know that |
| 18:41.36 | BCMM | actually, i was wondering about this: what does one use for tray update notifications in lxde these days (on buster)? |
| 18:41.59 | BCMM | i seem to recall, in stretch, that there was a much simpler UI available for updates |
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| 18:42.49 | BCMM | ah, package-update-indicator, i think? |
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| 18:42.55 | HEX0 | Cyanoxygen: I was hoping one of the desktops has a decent App store/update manager already preconfigured but it seems it's only the case for debian downstream distros |
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| 18:43.40 | BCMM | HEX0: for updates, there's a very user-friendly option available https://screenshots.debian.net/package/package-update-indicator |
| 18:44.05 | HEX0 | BCMM: part of xfce meta? |
| 18:44.12 | BCMM | no, i think that's something extra you'd have to install |
| 18:44.58 | Cyanoxygen | Maybe u shoud Install manually |
| 18:45.10 | HEX0 | and debian with gnome-shell has gnome-software? I remember it was quite broken a few years ago when I used it not finding certain packages etc. Is it any good now? |
| 18:45.17 | BCMM | imho it probably should be in the metapackage |
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| 18:45.34 | BCMM | HEX0: honestly that's probably too vague to answer. *what* was missing? |
| 18:46.05 | Cyanoxygen | But if you are focused to updates, just write a simple script and take it to run routinely |
| 18:46.13 | HEX0 | BCMM: I don't know how it indexed packages. but it would only show like apps and not some more obscure packages like drivers for CUPS etc |
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| 18:46.50 | BCMM | HEX0: yeah, that's quite a common trade-off for making "user friendly" package management frontends |
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| 18:47.06 | greycat | !unattended-upgrades |
| 18:47.06 | dpkg | i heard unattended-upgrades is a package for installing security upgrades automatically, unattended. See https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
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| 18:47.25 | greycat | that's totally differnt form an "app store" analogue |
| 18:47.36 | Cyanoxygen | Ye |
| 18:47.59 | HEX0 | Linux Mint despite it's flaws has quite decent app store. it was quite easy for my relatives to use. not complicated like synaptic, yet showed packages and even comments like it's an app store |
| 18:49.23 | Cyanoxygen | I think deepin is what you want |
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| 18:49.54 | HEX0 | Cyanoxygen: deepin DE? |
| 18:50.08 | Cyanoxygen | No, debian based distro |
| 18:50.16 | greycat | !deepin |
| 18:50.16 | dpkg | deepin is a Chinese distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at https://www.deepin.org/en/ or #deepin on irc.freenode.net |
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| 18:51.14 | HEX0 | can you recommend it stability wise? |
| 18:51.38 | BCMM | i don't think any derivatives are more stable than debian stable |
| 18:52.06 | Cyanoxygen | :thinking: |
| 18:52.08 | HEX0 | yeah that's why I came here, feeling that there should be least ammount of problems with debian |
| 18:52.11 | jmcnaught | derivatives usually have smaller security teams and support communities as well |
| 18:53.21 | greycat | The "derivatives" usually have a focus, where they add packages or have newer versions of packages than Debian has, but at the cost of diverting support away from other packages/features. |
| 18:53.46 | greycat | E.g. ubuntu wants to focus on the end user experience, parrot wants to focus on haxx0r-shit, etc. |
| 18:53.57 | HEX0 | I'm gonna give it a test drive. see how hands free debian xfce can be |
| 18:54.00 | kreyren | ,v mono-devel |
| 18:54.01 | judd | Package: mono-devel on amd64 -- jessie: 3.2.8+dfsg-10; jessie-security: 3.2.8+dfsg-10+deb8u1; stretch: 4.6.2.7+dfsg-1; bullseye: 5.18.0.240+dfsg-3; buster: 5.18.0.240+dfsg-3; sid: 5.18.0.240+dfsg-3 |
| 18:54.09 | kreyren | meh |
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| 18:55.58 | BCMM | i thought parrot's focus was "sending bewildered users to #debian" |
| 18:56.12 | rant | agrees, mono is the devel :P |
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| 18:57.24 | Cyanoxygen | * shrug |
| 18:57.49 | HEX0 | Is it safe to assume debian stable never has News Items requiring manual intervention to handle some update? |
| 18:58.58 | greycat | No. There are occasionally times when a Debian stable security update breaks things (e.g. Samba). |
| 18:59.01 | greycat | !jessie samba |
| 18:59.02 | dpkg | A security update in jessie upgrades Samba to 4.2. The NEWS.Debian.gz file has some errors. See <http://bugs.debian.org/820983> for the correct instructions. Win XP clients use NTLM by default; to switch them to NTLMv2 you will need admin, and follow <https://www.imss.caltech.edu/node/396> depending on which XP it is. |
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| 18:59.27 | pthomas | when I do 'ifdown eth0' then 'ifup eth0' the interface never comes back, I'm not sure this is a debian issue I but I wanted to see where to poke and what should be expected when I do this |
| 18:59.27 | BCMM | greycat: is there something i can sign up to to find out about rare events like that, by the way? |
| 18:59.40 | greycat | The should be mentioned in the DSAs. |
| 18:59.53 | greycat | !dsa |
| 18:59.53 | dpkg | [dsa] Debian Security Announcement, see http://www.debian.org/security/ and http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ ; RSS feeds at http://www.debian.org/security/dsa (titles only) and http://www.debian.org/security/dsa-long (summaries). Ask me about <dsa lookup DSA-nnnn> for information about the packages affected. See also <tracker of doom>, <debsecan>, <dsa team>. |
| 19:00.24 | BCMM | greycat: fantastically comprehensive factoid there! i should subscribe to one of those |
| 19:01.08 | BCMM | oh, that's just every security issue that prompted an updated package, right? no way to filter for things that might need manual intervention? |
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| 19:01.26 | greycat | correct |
| 19:01.54 | HEX0 | I guess I should also mention that I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to debian. I used it briefly 10 years ago. Have some basic understanding how to use apt. But other than that I'm more comfortable with minimal distros where you set everything up so you have an idea if something goes wrong where to look |
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| 19:02.37 | alkisg | BCMM: I usually set up remote support and take over their screen/mouse when they need help; that way I don't have to teach them about software centers etc :) |
| 19:02.41 | annadane | point updates may require some intervention |
| 19:02.46 | annadane | individual packages? very unlikely |
| 19:03.14 | annadane | that said i know apt got an update and the security email thingy said "because it's apt, do this..." |
| 19:03.27 | annadane | (was a security upgrade) |
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| 19:05.23 | n-iCe | bash: add-apt-repository: command not found |
| 19:05.27 | n-iCe | amd I doing it wrong? |
| 19:05.39 | greycat | is it supposed to be apt-add-repository by chance? |
| 19:05.50 | n-iCe | oh, let me check |
| 19:06.04 | n-iCe | noup |
| 19:06.05 | n-iCe | ahaha |
| 19:06.09 | n-iCe | bash: apt-add-repository: command not found |
| 19:06.13 | ratrace | debsecan is a tool of horror... |
| 19:06.20 | greycat | ,file apt-add-repository |
| 19:06.25 | judd | Search for apt-add-repository in buster/amd64: software-properties-common: usr/bin/apt-add-repository |
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| 19:06.35 | jhutchins_wk | I believe apt-add-repository is an ubuntuism, isn't it? |
| 19:06.39 | n-iCe | maybe |
| 19:06.47 | greycat | it's apparently in a package called "software-properties-common" |
| 19:06.50 | jhutchins_wk | Oh, no, I guess not. |
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| 19:08.11 | annadane | https://www.debian.org/security/2019/dsa-4371 "Since the vulnerability is present in the package manager itself, it is recommended to disable redirects in order to prevent exploitation during this upgrade only, using: apt -o Acquire::http::AllowRedirect=false update apt -o Acquire::http::AllowRedirect=false upgrade" |
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| 19:08.39 | annadane | i've sometimes thought of reading those security emails in full just in case there's something manual like this... but i'm losing interest |
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| 19:12.30 | annadane | it's of course the right thing to do though, you *should* read those |
| 19:12.59 | annadane | but you'd never know to do that if you had say unattended upgrades set up |
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| 19:13.17 | annadane | presumably it'd just update apt without the advice given in the security email |
| 19:13.20 | hero | I am running debian installer inside virtualbox. I have set "debconf/frontend=noninteractive" but the installer stops and asks "Scan another CD or DVD". It is happening every time. All other things are handled correctly. Do I need to add something else to disable this question? |
| 19:13.45 | hero | I have taken the "boot_command" from https://github.com/geerlingguy/packer-debian-10/blob/master/debian10.json |
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| 19:28.48 | lindylex | I am having issues with apt. Any help would greatly be appreciated https://pastebin.com/PuuvApqQ |
| 19:29.35 | jhutchins_wk | lindylex: Please summarize here. |
| 19:29.46 | jhutchins_wk | !paste |
| 19:29.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 19:30.15 | jhutchins_wk | lindylex: Also: pastebin is blocked by some corporate firewalls (they had spam/malware problems a while back). |
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| 19:30.25 | Ronskie1993 | Hey |
| 19:30.31 | lindylex | Ok let me use a different past location. |
| 19:30.40 | jmcnaught | lindylex: first tip: stop using -y with apt so that you have a chance to stop something stupid. Also testing support is on irc.oftc.net in #debian-next |
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| 19:31.56 | jhutchins_wk | lindylex: Please paste your sources.list |
| 19:32.03 | lindylex | Ok |
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| 19:34.50 | lindylex | jhutchins_wk : http://paste.debian.net/1093091/ |
| 19:35.08 | lindylex | source.list is at the bottom. |
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| 19:43.27 | IntoxicatedDrive | Hi |
| 19:43.54 | petn-randall | hi IntoxicatedDrive |
| 19:44.23 | jhutchins_wk | lindylex: Has this run successfully since you updated it? |
| 19:45.11 | lindylex | The computer runs fine. I can not run any updates. I think it failed while complaining about the video card. |
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| 19:45.45 | lindylex | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108GLM [Quadro 1000M] (rev ff) |
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| 19:46.42 | jhutchins_wk | lindylex: The problem looks like you have stretch on there, and since you enabled "testing" instead of "buster", you are now trying to go from stretch to bullseye, skipping buster. Skiping a major release pretty much never works. |
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| 19:48.18 | lindylex | I only have testing enabled. |
| 19:48.49 | lindylex | deb http://debian.cc.lehigh.edu/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 19:48.49 | lindylex | deb-src http://debian.cc.lehigh.edu/debian/ testing main non-free contrib deb http://debian.cc.lehigh.edu/debian/ testing-updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:48.49 | lindylex | deb-src http://debian.cc.lehigh.edu/debian/ testing-updates main contrib non-free |
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| 19:50.36 | karlpinc | lindylex: Yes, that confirms what jhutchins_wk said. |
| 19:51.16 | greycat | did this machine never get updated for 3 years? |
| 19:51.30 | lindylex | Testing is a constant. I update it every 2 weeks. |
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| 19:52.16 | karlpinc | Ok, so looks like I'm wrong. |
| 19:52.23 | greycat | OK, then it shouldn't be a "tried to leapfrog paste buster" situation. |
| 19:52.39 | lindylex | Correct |
| 19:53.21 | lindylex | The initial instal was testing 2 years ago and I update it every 2 weeks. |
| 19:53.29 | karlpinc | Could be a "testing is broken" situation. Perhaps try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:53.43 | lindylex | I will. |
| 19:53.52 | karlpinc | lindylex: Testing is likely break a lot after a major release comes out. |
| 19:54.11 | NetTerminalGene | you guys experience 0.5 second delay when launching apps on buster with gnome? |
| 19:54.13 | lindylex | Oh I see what you are saying. |
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| 20:09.47 | SPiRiT__ | Hi there :) I've downloaded 3 DVDs for Debian 10. The installation went fine under the installer asks me to switch to DVD 3, works a bit, and then keeps asking to re-insert dvd 1 in a loop. Any idea why? |
| 20:09.57 | SPiRiT__ | *until |
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| 20:11.33 | petn-randall | SPiRiT__: Did you burn those DVD images, or did you prepare them differently (e.g. USB)? |
| 20:11.51 | SPiRiT__ | petn-randall: I tried it on VM (VirtualBox). |
| 20:12.18 | SPiRiT__ | If that's important, then I disconnected the network from that vm... Just wanted to play with it |
| 20:13.11 | petn-randall | And you did insert DVD1? |
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| 20:13.41 | SPiRiT__ | Of course :) It didn't accept it and kept asing me to insert dvd 1. I tried to select others as well, nothing helped. |
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| 20:14.49 | SPiRiT__ | If it matters, at the installation process I selected GNOME desktop + SSH server only. Other options were not selected. |
| 20:15.42 | humpled | you burned real DVDs and now you're installing it where? |
| 20:16.05 | SPiRiT__ | No humpled. not read dvds. I used the 3 downloaded iso files in a virtual machine. |
| 20:16.19 | SPiRiT__ | *not real {sorry for my typos} |
| 20:16.24 | humpled | ah |
| 20:17.13 | SPiRiT__ | I tried it twice to check if I accidently did something wrong, but it looks like it repeats. Either the ISOs are corrupted, or there is a problem in the installation process. |
| 20:17.33 | SPiRiT__ | Again, it's either because I installed with NO NETWORK connected, or it's related to my selected packages (GNOME+SSH Server)... |
| 20:19.32 | jhutchins_wk | SPiRiT__: You should check the crc on the isos. |
| 20:19.51 | SPiRiT__ | Umm... I used torrents. give me a sec i am checking :) |
| 20:20.03 | jhutchins_wk | SPiRiT__: You should usually be able to install a basic desktop with just image 1. |
| 20:20.50 | jhutchins_wk | (Unless you need internationalization.) |
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| 20:21.32 | SPiRiT__ | jhutchins_wk: Yes it was strange to me that it asked for dvd 3... but it did. [I am new to debian] |
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| 20:22.07 | SPiRiT__ | jhutchins_wk: I've just checked md5 for the iso - and it is OK... iso is not corrupted! |
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| 20:23.16 | SPiRiT__ | Another thing that comes to my mind, I selected Hebrew keyboard, so maybe it's related :/ I will try later to reinstall with English only, maybe it's somehow related :/ |
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| 21:21.36 | SoDamnGreasy | I've got an issue trying to install Debian Buster using the debian-live-10.0.0-amd64-kde.iso image. it boots into the live environment and installs, and then when I go to boot from the HDD, it says something about invalid arch-dependent elf magic. i'm in way above my head here, the last time I used linux was the time of Slackware and LILO. what did |
| 21:21.36 | SoDamnGreasy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:22.36 | KaffeeKatrin | I got one of these old mechanical ibm keyboards without windows keys and US Layout, is there a way to get the proper keyboard layout? |
| 21:23.09 | SoDamnGreasy | idk dude, I'm just trying to install buster. |
| 21:23.56 | karlpinc | SoDamnGreasy: Well, the recommend way is to use the netinstall image. Probably the unoffical one with non-free firmware included is easiest. |
| 21:24.12 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 21:24.12 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 21:24.58 | karlpinc | SoDamnGreasy: That way you also don't have to worry about 32 v.s. 64 bit arch, the netinstall just installs the right one for you. |
| 21:25.41 | karlpinc | KaffeeKatrin: What are you looking for exactly? What does not work with your keyboard, it should be a standard us QUERTY keyboard. |
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| 21:26.21 | rant | s/U/W/ |
| 21:26.49 | karlpinc | rant: (I'm so special that even my keyboard is special. ;-) |
| 21:27.14 | lope | anyone had experience with Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 GbE? |
| 21:27.17 | KaffeeKatrin | karlpinc: well, I just tried a few different us layouts and it looks like internation works |
| 21:27.36 | karlpinc | !next |
| 21:27.37 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 21:27.45 | KaffeeKatrin | Just found that out after asking my question :) |
| 21:27.46 | karlpinc | !anyone |
| 21:27.46 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 21:28.28 | KaffeeKatrin | lope: not with those specific chipsets, but it used to be a nightmare in the good old 2.3 kernel days |
| 21:29.01 | lope | KaffeeKatrin, I've got Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 GbE. It was was not even running for 24hrs (no suspend or anything fancy) and the link went down and would not come up again. It's currently running with the r8169 kernel module (debian buster chose this by default) which according to this old blog post is unstable for the 8168 https://unixblogger.com/how-to-get-your-realtek-rtl8111rtl8168-working-updated-guide/ |
| 21:29.17 | KaffeeKatrin | I had to get a specific kernel version compiled with a specific gcc version because they only had binary blob drivers |
| 21:29.30 | lope | fun |
| 21:29.50 | KaffeeKatrin | yeah, but now realtek modules are in the main kernel, if it does not work with those you |
| 21:29.55 | KaffeeKatrin | re out of luck |
| 21:29.55 | karlpinc | lope: Would there be any non-free firmware that the device needs? |
| 21:30.20 | lope | karlpinc, could be this |
| 21:30.23 | lope | r8168-dkms - dkms source for the r8168 network driver |
| 21:30.25 | karlpinc | lope: Did you install with the unofficial installer with non-free firmware? |
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| 21:30.48 | KaffeeKatrin | karlpinc: Oh that's a good point, if i remember correctly most realtek cards require a firmware blob as well |
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| 21:31.06 | karlpinc | lope: You can also check dmesg output and the kernel boot logs. That often has clues. |
| 21:31.13 | SoDamnGreasy | karlpinc: can you send me that link again? |
| 21:31.26 | lope | i'm going to try the package and see |
| 21:31.36 | karlpinc | !tell SoDamnGreasy about firmware images |
| 21:32.04 | karlpinc | lope: A reboot would not be a crazy thing to do afterwards. |
| 21:32.11 | lope | One more thing to be picky about when buying a laptop. Why can't all network HW be intel or at least stable and open source? :) |
| 21:32.32 | lope | karlpinc, for sure |
| 21:32.50 | SoDamnGreasy | !tell /me about firmware images |
| 21:32.55 | lope | karlpinc, to be extra concientious I'll even power the bastard down |
| 21:33.02 | karlpinc | !tell SoDamnGreasy about msg the bot |
| 21:33.39 | SoDamnGreasy | it's all good, I figured it out. |
| 21:33.45 | karlpinc | lope: It can be worth it to buy from a vendor that specializes in hardware which runs FOSS OSs. |
| 21:34.04 | lope | karlpinc, sounds limiting |
| 21:34.10 | lope | What such vendors exist? |
| 21:34.11 | karlpinc | SoDamnGreasy: The bot is very handy. There's the judd bot too. |
| 21:34.34 | SoDamnGreasy | it's usually beneficial to buy business class computers, like thinkpads |
| 21:34.34 | lope | would be nice to buy a laptop that's got hw chosen for linux, and no windoze preloaded |
| 21:34.35 | karlpinc | lope: You can google them. I've used eracks.com (iirc.) |
| 21:35.06 | karlpinc | lope: IIRC linux.com used to have a "pre-installed" list of hardware vendors. |
| 21:35.29 | karlpinc | SoDamnGreasy: Agreed. |
| 21:35.45 | lope | karlpinc, k |
| 21:36.36 | lope | karlpinc, the r8168-dkms is non-free https://packages.debian.org/sid/r8168-dkms |
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| 21:37.49 | karlpinc | lope: Sounds like your other driver should work... There's a way to ask the bot about how to find firmware, but I forget. |
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| 21:38.29 | karlpinc | lope: Maybe look at the kernel boot messages where it says what the device is and do an "apt-cache search" on the string you find? (Something like that.) You have to enable the non-free repos. |
| 21:39.14 | karlpinc | lope: Somebody in this channel knows how to search for firmware. (I've been told how multiple times.) |
| 21:39.54 | karlpinc | lope: Maybe it's the chipset you're searching for....? |
| 21:39.59 | lope | I installed r8168-dkms and rebooted, but r8169 is still running |
| 21:40.17 | lope | I didn't see it actually compile anything |
| 21:40.22 | karlpinc | lope: Probably because it's supposed to work. |
| 21:40.34 | karlpinc | !readme.debian |
| 21:40.34 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
| 21:41.08 | lope | man r8168-dkms, nothing found |
| 21:41.30 | karlpinc | lope: Might be good to read the readme.debian for both packages. And maybe the other readmes too. |
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| 21:43.26 | karlpinc | lope: (You'd need the kernel header packages installed for the non-free one.) |
| 21:43.55 | marek | hi all, where can I find a commit that fixed this? https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-13232 |
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| 21:43.59 | Bjornn | !stretch |
| 21:43.59 | dpkg | Stretch is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch . Ask me about <install stretch>, <release notes>, <jessie->stretch>. |
| 21:44.14 | lope | karlpinc, yes, the r8168-dkms package installed the kernel headers |
| 21:44.21 | Bjornn | !buster |
| 21:44.22 | dpkg | Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachsund in Toy Story, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianBuster . Ask me about <install buster>, <release notes>, <stretch->buster>. <apt suite changed> |
| 21:44.31 | lope | it's supposed to install and compile, but didn't |
| 21:44.46 | Bjornn | !buster release notes |
| 21:44.46 | dpkg | The release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ . See also <stretch->buster>, <buster install guide> |
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| 21:45.42 | lope | karlpinc, thank you so much, youre a star! /usr/share/doc/r8168-dkms has readmes etc |
| 21:46.24 | petn-randall | marek: The page you provided contains links at the bottom to the patch. |
| 21:46.45 | karlpinc | lope: I still think you might have to install non-free firmware, unless that's already installed. |
| 21:47.32 | karlpinc | !tell Bjornn about msg the bot |
| 21:47.38 | karlpinc | Bjornn: (FYI) |
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| 21:51.46 | lope | karlpinc, i think r8168-dkms is THE nonfree firmware |
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| 22:17.09 | lope | karlpinc, basically the r8168-dkms package setup a kernel module for the older 4.19 kernel that I had laying around on my system, but not the new 5.x kernel |
| 22:17.22 | lope | There's apparently some other workaround I'm going to try |
| 22:17.34 | lope | disabling link detection, apparently makes it stable |
| 22:18.09 | karlpinc | lope: Is there a firmware-realtek package in buster? I think that's what's needed in stretch. |
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| 22:23.21 | BCMM | yes |
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| 22:23.33 | BCMM | ,v firmware-realtek |
| 22:23.34 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-1~bpo9+2; bullseye/non-free: 20190114-1; buster/non-free: 20190114-1; sid/non-free: 20190502-1 |
| 22:23.37 | lope | karlpinc, it seems I can't install firmware-realtek |
| 22:23.46 | BCMM | lope: do you have non-free enabled? |
| 22:23.54 | lope | it tries to remove a gazillion packages when I try to install firmware-realtek |
| 22:23.56 | lope | which I can't allow |
| 22:24.22 | BCMM | lope: that doesn't sound right at all! can you pastebin what apt is asking to do? |
| 22:24.58 | BCMM | lope: also, do you have anything weird in sources.list? |
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| 22:27.44 | zapproger | Anyone know any GUI's for nftables? |
| 22:27.56 | lope | BCMM, http://codepad.org/RS9TaitH |
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| 22:28.10 | Henry151 | hi #debian |
| 22:28.40 | Henry151 | i just upgraded to 10... All my text looks different in my terminals, anybody know what might have changed my default font or something to make the text look different? |
| 22:29.04 | zapproger | Henry151: Yeah that happened to me too |
| 22:29.06 | BCMM | lope: it sounds like you're using proxmox, which appears to provide it's own firmware |
| 22:29.09 | BCMM | !proxmox |
| 22:29.09 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 22:29.25 | BCMM | ^its own firmware package |
| 22:29.26 | zapproger | Henry151: What Desktop environment are you using? |
| 22:29.35 | lope | interesting |
| 22:29.41 | Henry151 | zapproger: none, i'm using i3wm and no DE |
| 22:30.03 | lope | BCMM, yes I see it includes pve-firmware |
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| 22:31.35 | Henry151 | zapproger: though i may have fragments of various DE's around... |
| 22:31.40 | BCMM | Henry151: what terminal are you using? |
| 22:31.45 | Henry151 | i use a lot of xfce4 things, including the terminal |
| 22:32.10 | zapproger | Henry151: I see. Did you do autoremove after the upgrade? |
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| 22:32.17 | Henry151 | no, i didn't |
| 22:32.33 | Henry151 | i did apt update, apt upgrade, and apt dist-upgrade |
| 22:32.44 | zapproger | Henry151: Ok. Dont do that then |
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| 22:33.01 | Henry151 | it prompted me a few times to keep old config or to install new one -- i kept old config each time (sshd config, stuff like that) |
| 22:33.25 | zapproger | Henry151: I did autoremove after upgrade and a bunch of things were removed. |
| 22:33.29 | Henry151 | now by the time i figure out how to put my font back how it was i'll have got used to this one XD |
| 22:33.53 | Henry151 | i may have some screenshots somewhere of the old font to help me identify it |
| 22:34.34 | Henry151 | it looks like it's set to "Monospace Regular, size 12" |
| 22:34.36 | zapproger | Try to install fonts-liberation package |
| 22:35.27 | Henry151 | apt install fonts-liberation and apt install fonts-liberation2 both said "0 upgraded, 0newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded" |
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| 22:36.12 | Henry151 | i'm sure i'll be used to it shortly but if anybody knows what the default was before/whether it was changed.. i don't think i ever changed the font settings, i was just used to it |
| 22:36.12 | zapproger | Henry151: Reinstall by doing sudo apt-get install --reinstall fonts-liberation |
| 22:36.33 | Henry151 | ok did |
| 22:36.45 | Henry151 | now .. close and reopen my terminal emulators? |
| 22:37.01 | Henry151 | still looks weird. |
| 22:37.27 | Henry151 | goes to peek on his other machine which is still running debian 9, and usually looks the same as this one, to see what the font is set to |
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| 22:37.58 | zapproger | Henry151: You know what. What probably got reset not removed. Right clock the terminal and go to profiles and select the font you want |
| 22:38.30 | Henry151 | hmm... it looks like it is monospace regular 12 on the other machine, which still looks normal |
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| 22:39.20 | Henry151 | it's like the way monospace regular renders is different on debian 10 than debian 9, as far as i can see |
| 22:39.51 | Henry151 | because right next to me is my other computer, running debian 9, same terminal, same font set in the "appearance" tab in the preferences, and yet it looks normal there and slightly odd here |
| 22:40.38 | Henry151 | it's not going to drive me nuts, but it's a little strange. |
| 22:42.24 | Henry151 | first thing that jumped out at me was the font -- the next thing that jumped out at me, i used to always launch firefox-esr by hitting mod+d to open the quicklauncher at the top of the screen, and type "esr" and hit enter -- but now, there's something called "esri2wkt.py" which wasn't there before :shrug: i guess i'll set a mod+f for launching firefox or something like that |
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| 22:45.02 | zapproger | Henry151: you said that the font renders differently. Do you think because the size of the font was changed? |
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| 22:45.47 | Henry151 | maybe? my font size setting in the terminal preferences doesn't seem to have changed, and it looks about the same size, it just looks "bolder" |
| 22:46.12 | Henry151 | also, my i3status bar at the bottom of my screen, the text looks "thinner" at the same time |
| 22:46.28 | Henry151 | my eyes have already almost adjusted to it though |
| 22:46.55 | namll | hello, my mouse started to move sporatically from time to time. And recommendations of dignosing the problem? It started to do it in windows as well and others that had the issue disable touch controls, does that sound like something that could fix it with debian? Its a thinkpad t480 no touch screen. |
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| 22:47.32 | namll | any** recommendations |
| 22:48.30 | namll | the paranoia side of me fears my system has been compromised. |
| 22:49.17 | BCMM | namll: external mouse or touchpad? |
| 22:49.24 | zapproger | Henry151: I had similar issues when upgraded to Buster. My Desktop Environment MATE got destroyed almost, I had to reinstall it. If you need nvidia drivers, I would install those cause sometimes they help. Sometimes they fix themselves though. |
| 22:49.28 | namll | BCMM: touchpad |
| 22:50.02 | namll | i checked to see if I was accidently touching it with thumb, but it did it without my hands on the machine |
| 22:51.29 | zapproger | namll: First off, you probably were not compromised. ESPECIALLY if it is something happening across OSes |
| 22:51.38 | KaffeeKatrin | namll: since it happens across OSes it |
| 22:51.50 | KaffeeKatrin | is most likely a hardware issue |
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| 22:52.31 | zapproger | namll: Wipe the touchpad for any Grease |
| 22:52.33 | namll | yes, that is what the sane part of my brain tells myself. So when i disbled touch controls on windows it stoped the problem |
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| 22:52.51 | namll | can i disable the touchpad all together? |
| 22:52.59 | namll | I tried in the bios, but it doesnt take effect in debian |
| 22:53.30 | zapproger | namll: What BIOS setting are you changing? |
| 22:53.41 | zapproger | namll: And what desktop environment are you using? |
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| 22:54.48 | namll | zapproger: bios utility -> config -> keyboard/mouse |
| 22:54.56 | namll | openbox |
| 22:55.41 | Henry151 | zapproger: oh boy... i remember having a blast installing my nvidia drivers |
| 22:55.51 | Henry151 | i'm on a lenovo thinkpad p51 |
| 22:55.58 | Henry151 | i can't remember what/which/how |
| 22:56.25 | namll | Enable or disable in BIOS for ThinkPad T/X/W series https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/ht075599 |
| 22:57.33 | zapproger | this stack exchange looks like it has a problem similar to yours https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/388963/how-can-i-enable-disable-the-synaptics-touchpad-in-debian-9-with-libinput |
| 22:59.38 | namll | thanks, seems using xinput might solve it. |
| 22:59.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys does this look weird to u? |
| 23:00.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | https://paste.debian.net/1093112/ |
| 23:00.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | trying to figure out why evolution is segfaulting |
| 23:01.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | https://paste.debian.net/1093113/ |
| 23:01.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | something is wrong.. |
| 23:02.26 | namll | yay, the xinput command disabled it, thanks for the help zapproger |
| 23:02.52 | zapproger | namll: No problem! Happy you got it fixed! |
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| 23:03.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | ill deal with it tomorrow morning tired sigh |
| 23:04.18 | zapproger | Eryn_1983_FL: So what issue is this causing exactly? |
| 23:04.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | segfault in evolution email |
| 23:04.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | second paste |
| 23:05.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmm |
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| 23:05.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | nvidia and glx not working i guess. |
| 23:05.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmmm |
| 23:05.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | tomorrow is another day.. |
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| 23:06.40 | zapproger | Eryn_1983_FL: I would ensure that all the dependencies are met for evolution. |
| 23:08.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah i just upgraded to buster. |
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| 23:13.15 | zapproger | Eryn_1983_FL: Did you do autoremove after you installed. Do't do it. Just wondering |
| 23:13.22 | zapproger | Don't* |
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| 23:31.08 | locknet | someone connected? |
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| 23:41.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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