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| 01:44.34 | jim | de-facto, I dunno, you may wish to put a spinning hd in there, for backups, swap, and maybe also home dir |
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| 01:47.57 | de-facto | jim, not possible |
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| 01:49.19 | de-facto | its a router and debian 10 inside lxc container with openwrt kernel, there is only this one partition /dev/sda2 on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,discard,errors=remount-ro,commit=600,data=ordered) |
| 01:49.21 | jim | oh ok... well, the good thing is you have plenty of space |
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| 01:49.32 | de-facto | yes 800 GB :) |
| 01:50.10 | de-facto | question is if there are any problems to be expected with buster and usual server setups with "noatime" |
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| 01:50.32 | tp43_ | I am on debian, I have gjs version 1.4. How can I get 1.5? |
| 01:50.47 | jim | you may wish to mount /var, /usr and possibly also /home on separate partitions |
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| 01:51.24 | jim | tp43_, gjs is the package name? |
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| 01:53.38 | de-facto | jim why separate partitions? i dont understand |
| 01:53.55 | de-facto | that would only restrict me with space |
| 01:55.42 | tp43_ | de-facto, cause if it get full, they all dont get full. Putting eggs in separate baskets. |
| 01:56.54 | de-facto | but if i have separate partitions the the propability raises of one getting full (e.g. /var) in comparison to just one big partition |
| 01:58.40 | jim | de-facto, mainly, you want to protect the / partition from filling up, which could cause problems |
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| 01:59.31 | de-facto | hmm but i also expect problems when /var or /usr is full. |
| 01:59.55 | jim | with /var, you want it big enough so it can store all the packages of an upgrade to debian 11 |
| 02:00.03 | de-facto | there will never ever be any more space than this 800 GB partition |
| 02:00.25 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.36 | de-facto | I never understood that separation of partitions, ok maybe /home for reinstall but everything else is beyond me |
| 02:00.44 | de-facto | there is logrotate |
| 02:00.50 | de-facto | and i mounted /var/log in tmpfs |
| 02:01.14 | de-facto | gets rsynced to /var every day |
| 02:01.17 | jim | ok, so you don't want to keep logs? |
| 02:01.30 | de-facto | yes i do, but not constantly write to ssd |
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| 02:02.10 | de-facto | ,v gjs |
| 02:02.11 | judd | Package: gjs on amd64 -- jessie: 1.42.0-1; stretch: 1.46.0-1+b2; buster: 1.54.3-1; bullseye: 1.54.3-1+b1; sid: 1.54.3-1+b1; experimental: 1.57.4-1 |
| 02:02.16 | jim | the samsung drive you mention is pretty good with writes |
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| 02:02.42 | jim | de-facto, you could try to backport the one in bullseye |
| 02:02.47 | de-facto | tp43_, maybe its in backports from buster? |
| 02:03.00 | jim | ,checkbackport gjs |
| 02:03.01 | judd | Backporting package gjs in sidâbuster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster. |
| 02:03.25 | jim | so you could backport it if you want |
| 02:03.38 | de-facto | jim yes i know, i just want to make write as less as possible, plus i want to have maximum flexibility with space hence the one partition |
| 02:05.02 | jim | to give you an idea... I fit everything I've done for like 20 years in 400g |
| 02:05.16 | jim | (that's -just- /home/jim) |
| 02:05.58 | de-facto | yeah this one will be a server e.g. with nextcloud et al |
| 02:07.07 | jim | then you definitely want to protect / |
| 02:07.15 | de-facto | mediawiki, minidlna, maybe ldap/prosody/dovecot et al |
| 02:07.15 | jim | it's going to be a remote? |
| 02:07.29 | de-facto | yes its an mSATA in a router |
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| 02:08.14 | de-facto | it runs openwrt on 100GB btrfs and 800GB ext4 is for debian buster in lxc container |
| 02:09.37 | de-facto | if / is full for debian i just kill the lxc container :) |
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| 02:09.58 | de-facto | i easily can fix stuff from the openwrt system which still should be happily running |
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| 02:13.42 | de-facto | if it really is a reoccurring problem id rather work with flexible quota on users than having hardcoded partitions which i could not easily change without copying a load of data |
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| 02:19.53 | jim | de-facto, ok, I think that could work too |
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| 13:24.17 | wwilliam | Hello can anyone help to tell me what is wrong for information this share mounts from windowze boxes without askin for user name or pw. |
| 13:24.19 | wwilliam | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4f8e45ed/ |
| 13:24.22 | wwilliam | thank you. |
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| 13:37.01 | jhutchins | wwilliam: Use a credentials file. |
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| 13:38.56 | wwilliam | jhutchins: I get the same result. |
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| 13:39.57 | BCMM | wwilliam: what sort of server are you using? windows? samba? some NAS appliance? |
| 13:41.33 | greycat | BCMM: for what it's worth, we've been trying to figure out what the hell wwilliam is doing in #bash for almost a whole year now, and we're not much closer to figuring it out than when we started. |
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| 13:42.11 | greycat | He consistently refuses to give ANY useful info, and he's a complete help vampire. |
| 13:43.33 | BCMM | i'll probably just dump the only good thought i've got and go and do something else, then. wwilliam; try sec=something |
| 13:44.25 | BCMM | sometimes NAS boxes need ancient forms of password hashing that samba won't try by default any more |
| 13:44.41 | wwilliam | is a nas according to the guy that handles that BCMM |
| 13:44.57 | wwilliam | he said is using cifs |
| 13:45.02 | greycat | reminds me of /msg dpkg jessie samba |
| 13:45.50 | wwilliam | his words "srvnjnas1001 is configured for a windows share CIFS" |
| 13:45.53 | BCMM | greycat: yeah, pretty much that (but for outdated servers instead of outdated clients) |
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| 13:47.35 | BCMM | wwilliam: well, if you're very sure that the username, password and domain are correct, look in your mount.cifs for possible values of sec= |
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| 13:48.01 | wwilliam | ok Thank you. |
| 13:48.02 | BCMM | if the server is old and stupid, you probably need sec=ntlm |
| 13:48.14 | wwilliam | testing that. |
| 13:48.27 | BCMM | (and if you're using kernel >=3.8, that's no longer the default) |
| 13:49.20 | wwilliam | Kernel is 4.4.178-94.91 |
| 13:49.42 | wwilliam | and using that sec gave me the same permission denied. |
| 13:49.56 | wwilliam | i will test with all the secs. |
| 13:51.44 | ratrace | wwilliam: that's not debian, is it? |
| 13:52.28 | greycat | From past discussions with him, he has some OpenSUSE systems, some Debian systems, and many many Windows systems. He uses Windows on his desktop, and doesn't really understand Unix. |
| 13:52.34 | wwilliam | not this one |
| 13:52.44 | wwilliam | Suse |
| 13:53.07 | ratrace | greycat: oh another one of those people..... *goes back to work* |
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| 13:55.32 | BCMM | wwilliam: opensuse presumably has an irc channel of it's won |
| 13:55.50 | wwilliam | happens in debian also |
| 13:56.07 | wwilliam | i tried #cifs but is non existent. |
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| 13:59.51 | hans_ | does Buster support LXC 3.0? |
| 14:00.11 | Habbie | ,v lxc |
| 14:00.13 | judd | Package: lxc on amd64 -- jessie-security: 1:1.0.6-6+deb8u2; jessie: 1:1.0.6-6+deb8u6; stretch: 1:2.0.7-2+deb9u2; bullseye: 1:3.1.0+really3.0.3-8; buster: 1:3.1.0+really3.0.3-8; sid: 1:3.1.0+really3.0.3-8 |
| 14:00.29 | greycat | version strings are hilarious |
| 14:00.38 | Habbie | yes |
| 14:00.40 | ratrace | heh, 3.1.0-but-srsly-this-is-3.0.3 |
| 14:00.41 | Habbie | and sad |
| 14:00.46 | hans_ | wtf |
| 14:00.51 | han-solo | it's sad `shutter` didn't make it to buster. Understandable but, none is working on it, right ? |
| 14:01.00 | hans_ | shutter? |
| 14:01.10 | han-solo | the screen capture util |
| 14:01.11 | greycat | !shutter |
| 14:01.16 | greycat | ,v shutter |
| 14:01.17 | judd | Package: shutter on amd64 -- jessie: 0.92-0.1+deb8u2; stretch: 0.93.1-1.3 |
| 14:01.34 | themill | 1.1.0~beta0+really1.0.0~rc0+devel1-2 or 0.0~git20190103.40eba7e+really0.0~git20181023.b4e2780-3 are my favourites in buster.... |
| 14:01.57 | greycat | https://tracker.debian.org/news/994228/removed-094-1-from-unstable/ |
| 14:02.10 | greycat | "ROM; depends on obsolete GNOME2 libraries, inactive upstream" |
| 14:02.18 | han-solo | Yeah |
| 14:02.23 | ratrace | iirc, those "really" packages are usually post-release downgrades when some serious bugs are discovered after release |
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| 14:03.11 | tarzeau | han-solo: you know scrot? |
| 14:03.17 | themill | ratrace: upload, not release |
| 14:04.40 | ratrace | themill: what do you mean? |
| 14:04.44 | han-solo | tarzeau: nope, now i just settle with `spectacle` which is fine, but not as good as shutter |
| 14:05.02 | themill | ratrace: these are not changes that were made after release |
| 14:05.07 | tarzeau | never heard of both. prefer scrot and feh |
| 14:05.20 | astronavt | fim > feh because fim works in tmux in the linux console |
| 14:05.42 | han-solo | tarzeau: Okay. Let me see |
| 14:06.09 | tarzeau | astronavt: cacaview also works in console |
| 14:06.19 | astronavt | good to know |
| 14:06.29 | astronavt | wait thats ascii |
| 14:06.29 | greycat | what does "shutter" do that's special, and why does it use GNOME2 libraries? |
| 14:06.39 | astronavt | fim actually displays images |
| 14:06.48 | tarzeau | astronavt: so does cacaview, with colors! |
| 14:06.50 | rotaticus | catimg also works in console |
| 14:06.53 | tw | How can I delete this file? https://paste.debian.net/1093586/ |
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| 14:08.19 | greycat | tw: undo the chattr -i part first. |
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| 14:09.03 | ratrace | greycat: then i guess post-release changes like these are only in ubuntu, like intel-microcode that seriously broke things some months ago |
| 14:09.07 | greycat | tw: ... or, this is file system corruption, in which case you want to fsck this device and maybe the file'll go away on its own, or be moved to /lost+found, or at least be touchable. |
| 14:09.25 | tw | it's filesystem corruption. This is postfsck. |
| 14:09.52 | tarzeau | does unlink sometimes work instead of rm? |
| 14:10.14 | greycat | he didn't even *try* rm, or didn't show it if he did |
| 14:10.23 | netcrash | I have uninstalled icingaweb2 and did a purge, rm -Rf /etc/icingaweb2 ; and did a new apt install icingaweb2 . the directory now does not get created , what can it be? |
| 14:10.42 | tw | greycat: didn't show it, it doesn't work. |
| 14:10.52 | tw | neither does unlink =/ |
| 14:11.05 | tarzeau | tw: but rm doesn't tell "it doesn't work", ever :) |
| 14:11.25 | tw | if only that were true. |
| 14:11.35 | tw | Operation not permitted |
| 14:11.45 | tarzeau | that's completely different to "it doesn't work" |
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| 14:12.47 | greycat | tw: is this being done over NFS, or any other network file system, or is it being done to one of these ridiculously overengineered things like btrfs or ZFS? |
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| 14:12.56 | tw | local filesystem, ext4. |
| 14:13.52 | tarzeau | likes btrfs with compression, and xfs too |
| 14:14.31 | greycat | Well, unlink(2) shows 4 reasons you can get EPERM ("Operation not permitted"), and as near as I can guess, the most likely one is the last one, "The file to be unlinked is marked immutable or append-only." |
| 14:14.42 | tw | Why would lsattr return EPERM for root? |
| 14:14.54 | greycat | unlink(2) shows 4 reasons. |
| 14:15.11 | tarzeau | tw: what does ls -lad . say? |
| 14:15.18 | greycat | now what the hell does lsattr do... |
| 14:15.47 | greycat | Doesn't list any system calls in the man page, so I guess you'd have to strace it. |
| 14:15.57 | tw | tarzeau: the normal, d 755 2 root root 4096 jul 30 09:55 . |
| 14:16.13 | greycat | why on earth would you not just PASTE the one line of output |
| 14:16.23 | tw | because it's vnc and I can't copy |
| 14:16.34 | tw | ipmi |
| 14:17.25 | han-solo | command | curl -F 'f:1=<-' http://ix.io |
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| 14:17.57 | ratrace | ... | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 14:18.21 | han-solo | wait |
| 14:18.22 | han-solo | Yeah |
| 14:18.24 | han-solo | use that |
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| 14:19.03 | greycat | are you able to create and remove a new file in this same directory? |
| 14:20.26 | tw | yes, that works fine, both touch & rm |
| 14:21.41 | vsayikiran | hi I am buying new micprocessor online and asked my vendor if processor is new unboxed one. He replied that "processor is used for teardown". I tried searching meaning(both literal and technically) of this phrase in google but no help. Please some native speakers help me to understand what it means. |
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| 14:22.01 | Habbie | vsayikiran, i don't know what that means |
| 14:22.21 | han-solo | What does that even mean ? :/ |
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| 14:22.27 | greycat | sounds like it's NOT "new unboxed" |
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| 14:22.44 | Habbie | it certainly sounds like it's not new, no |
| 14:22.49 | greycat | if I'm even guessing what you mean by "new unboxed" |
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| 14:23.53 | vsayikiran | greycat: new unboxed means that which is packed and not opened or not installed. so buyer will be using it for first time |
| 14:24.25 | tw | So you mean "new in box"? |
| 14:24.49 | vsayikiran | tw: yes brand new directly shipped from manufacturer to vendor |
| 14:25.22 | tw | vendor you contacted said used. |
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| 14:26.13 | uRock | Whenever I run ClipGrab I get a TLS initialization error. This app worked fine in another distro. Any ideas on what may be causing the error in Debian Buster? |
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| 14:26.48 | greycat | buster's libssl configuration is a lot more strict by default than stretch's was |
| 14:27.06 | greycat | zless /usr/share/doc/libssl1.1/NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 14:27.34 | greycat | you could double-check whether ClipGrab is using libssl1.1 but that's my first guess |
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| 14:27.54 | uRock | I will check that out. Thanks greycat |
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| 14:28.47 | pagetelegram | Using a Getac b300 and the track pad keeps sticking, where consistently I have to tap the pad to get the mouse cursor to move. |
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| 14:32.30 | volter | For some reason I am not clever enough to figure out how to schroot after a failed sbuild. Can somebody enlighten me? |
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| 14:34.10 | netcrash | How can I force a package to reinstall a configuration directory? |
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| 14:34.45 | tarzeau | netcrash: completely remove it first, including the configuration directory, then install it? |
| 14:35.24 | uRock | greycat, is there any service I need to restart after editing openssl.cnf or is it automatic? |
| 14:35.45 | netcrash | tarzeau: already tried that , didn't work |
| 14:36.03 | tarzeau | netcrash: which package is that? |
| 14:36.33 | greycat | uRock: presumably it would depend on the programs involved |
| 14:36.52 | brabo | did you purge or uninstall? |
| 14:37.09 | uRock | Just ClipGrab, which is a standalone app run from a downloaded exe |
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| 14:37.48 | netcrash | tarzeau: icingaweb2 |
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| 14:39.30 | netcrash | brabo: I removed it , then purged |
| 14:39.36 | tarzeau | netcrash: what configuration directory are you missing? |
| 14:39.43 | netcrash | icingaweb2 |
| 14:39.49 | netcrash | /etc/icingaweb2 |
| 14:41.56 | tarzeau | netcrash: what about doint it yourself, looking at https://sources.debian.org/src/icingaweb2/2.6.3-1/debian/ ? pick the right version number though |
| 14:42.23 | tw | regarding my unremovable file, these are my caps https://termbin.com/dn74 , the ioctl is FS_IOC_GETFLAGS, which should respect cap_fowner, same with lstat and open. So I'm thinking there is something horrendously wrong with this fs that fsck.ext4 did not find. |
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| 14:43.14 | greycat | Could be. Are you sure fsck actually *ran* (the file system has to be unmounted, or at worst read-only, for fsck to be able to run). You might also need to repeat it. |
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| 14:46.41 | uRock | Rebooted but still getting error. Just going to run it in a VM. |
| 14:48.00 | tw | greycat: https://termbin.com/qwq6s |
| 14:48.06 | tw | says it ran. |
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| 14:48.21 | tw | I forced a recheck as well. |
| 14:49.08 | greycat | that looks like a superficial scan, not an actual run of fsck |
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| 14:49.40 | greycat | How did you "force a recheck"? |
| 14:49.49 | tw | with -f |
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| 14:50.01 | greycat | last time I checked, -f is not a shell command |
| 14:50.16 | tw | e2fsck -f /dev/mapper/v1-root |
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| 14:50.48 | greycat | so you rebooted in some kind of rescue system first...? |
| 14:51.02 | tw | stretch installer in rescue mode |
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| 15:05.53 | tw | buster installer doesn't have e2fsprogs by default. |
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| 15:06.09 | tw | ls |
| 15:06.12 | tw | err, sorry. |
| 15:06.25 | KaffeeKatrin | how much time should I usually plan for updating a desktop from stretch to buster? |
| 15:06.34 | tarzeau | KaffeeKatrin: dpkg -l |
| 15:06.43 | tarzeau | |wc -l says how much ? |
| 15:06.58 | ksk | KaffeeKatrin: depends on the number of installed packages, and your hardware. also what tarzeau says. |
| 15:07.01 | smsimeon | I have come full circle: |
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| 15:07.28 | smsimeon | I'm trying to reverse engineer a program I wrote a long time ago, since I forgot its access credentials |
| 15:07.42 | tarzeau | up to 1 year old machine, 1-2 hours (~2000 packages), 3 years 2-3 h, 5 years 3-4 h |
| 15:08.19 | KaffeeKatrin | tarzeau: 4288 |
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| 15:09.16 | KaffeeKatrin | thanks, that's already useful to make an educated guess |
| 15:09.42 | KaffeeKatrin | is on a SSD |
| 15:09.51 | KaffeeKatrin | \/ |
| 15:09.53 | KaffeeKatrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.56 | KaffeeKatrin | aaah |
| 15:10.02 | KaffeeKatrin | I shouldve just wrote root |
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| 15:10.31 | trek00 | hello, anyone know how to disable kernel lockdown on /dev/mem? I would like to not reinstall grub, I need it only for a short time. thank you! |
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| 15:15.49 | volter | Hm, now I think I can log in and I can see the leftovers of my build attempt, but the build-dep packages seem to be gone. Maybe I need another setting in the rc file. |
| 15:16.41 | volter | (Though I'd be surprised) |
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| 15:18.00 | ksk | trek00: eh, what are you trying to do? |
| 15:18.30 | tw | An interesting note, linux 4.19 from the buster installer returns ENODATA instead of EPERM for lsattr and chattr. |
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| 15:19.12 | tw | I think fundamentally, this fs is toast and I should stop messing with it and do a restore from backups. |
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| 15:19.29 | trek00 | ksk: i wrote a patch to radeontop, because with secure boot enabled it does not run on amdgpu driver, but I want to test again the /dev/mem path to be sure it still running fine |
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| 15:26.25 | Habbie | ,v pgtune |
| 15:26.26 | judd | No package named 'pgtune' was found in amd64. |
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| 15:28.58 | ksk | mhhm, I have a question regarding "base64"; If I do "echo foo | base64" Im getting a different encoded value compared to entering "foo" into https://www.base64encode.org/ - strings are "Zm9vCg==" for commandline, and "Zm9v" for that Service - any Idea why that is? |
| 15:29.47 | ksk | underlying problem is I need to encode a token for a service, and cant get it to work. they have an example workflow using that web-service, but I cannot make my local base64 generate the same values... |
| 15:29.47 | trek00 | ksk: it seems the website is omitting the final padding |
| 15:29.49 | Kadigan | Cg== adds a Linux newline |
| 15:29.56 | ksk | ah! many thanks :) |
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| 15:30.19 | trek00 | Kadigan: you are right :) |
| 15:30.19 | Habbie | echo -n foo | base64 |
| 15:30.26 | greycat | printf is safer than echo -n |
| 15:30.35 | greycat | printf %s foo | base64 |
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| 15:41.29 | spacefrog | hello |
| 15:41.50 | spacefrog | is dvd1 sufficient to install a minimal installation? |
| 15:42.17 | greycat | Yes. It's more than enough. |
| 15:42.37 | spacefrog | thanks |
| 15:42.38 | greycat | You could use the smaller netinst (CD sized) images, if you wish. |
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| 15:43.08 | spacefrog | i have plenty of bandwidth :) |
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| 15:44.10 | spacefrog | i just wish we had faster mirrors in western Canada |
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| 15:51.55 | spacefrog | i can't believe i'm sticking to centos/fedora |
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| 15:55.05 | ratrace | we can't either |
| 15:56.46 | spacefrog | i know this is off topic, but i have centos running on a server, and fedora fails miserably when i try to install it in kvm |
| 15:57.03 | Habbie | why not ask in #centos or #fedora? |
| 15:57.49 | Bushmills | maybe because there wasn't a question :) |
| 15:57.58 | Habbie | i may have shot too soon |
| 15:58.01 | Habbie | but i'm pretty optimistic |
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| 15:58.40 | spacefrog | centos works fine, it's fedora that sucks balls |
| 15:58.55 | Habbie | there's no need for that language |
| 15:59.16 | spacefrog | apologies |
| 15:59.17 | greycat | it's definitely off topic here |
| 15:59.25 | spacefrog | debian installs just fine |
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| 16:10.09 | teclo- | evening, ntpdate always tells me "no server suitable for synchronization found" with all servers I try to use |
| 16:10.20 | teclo- | what is the next step ? |
| 16:10.33 | Habbie | configure ntpd, chrony or systemd-timesyncd correctly instead |
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| 16:12.23 | trek00 | teclo-: or rdate :) |
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| 16:16.35 | ratrace | ntpdate is deprecated |
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| 16:20.59 | jhutchins_wk | ratrace: Yes, but it still works. |
| 16:21.43 | jmcnaught | systemd-timesyncd should be working out of the box unless there's another ntp daemon installed |
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| 16:22.11 | jhutchins_wk | jmcnaught: Last I checked it only syncs on boot. |
| 16:23.50 | spacefrog | they want me to try a live-dvd (desktop) :) |
| 16:23.55 | spacefrog | i'm sticking to this |
| 16:23.55 | jmcnaught | jhutchins_wk: really? why would it keep running then? |
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| 16:27.13 | jhutchins_wk | jmcnaught: Because systemd. |
| 16:27.14 | no_gravity | Strange, VirtualBox is suddenly not working anymore. Tells me "Kernel driver not installed". |
| 16:27.17 | no_gravity | Any ideas how that can be? |
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| 16:27.42 | jhutchins_wk | no_gravity: Perhaps you upgraded the kernel? |
| 16:27.51 | no_gravity | jhutchins_wk: Aha ... that could be! |
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| 16:28.20 | jhutchins_wk | no_gravity: You can set it up with dkms so it auto-compiles if you upgrade. |
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| 16:28.56 | no_gravity | jhutchins_wk: Right now I'm trying to figure out how to do it manually. |
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| 16:29.15 | Dwarf | After upgrading to buster it seems my iptables is positively borked |
| 16:29.48 | jhutchins_wk | !iptables |
| 16:29.49 | dpkg | [iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables or ask me about <iptables-restore>. http://netfilter.org/ #netfilter on irc.freenode.net. See also <ferm>, <lartc>, <masq>, <ulogd>. |
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| 16:30.23 | jhutchins_wk | Dwarf: Check the release notes, I think the interface changed. |
| 16:30.23 | Dwarf | Actually, it seems my kernel is not in tip-top shape |
| 16:30.33 | jmcnaught | jhutchins_wk: 'timedatectl timesync-status' shows a poll interval, it doesn't just work at boot. |
| 16:30.36 | Dwarf | I should have 4.19 but I'm running 4.18 for some reason |
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| 16:30.53 | Dwarf | Thanks for the link jhutchins_wk |
| 16:31.01 | no_gravity | I'll try 'apt reinstall virtualbox' .. |
| 16:31.35 | ratrace | jhutchins_wk: apparently, it doesn't work that well... from the upstream: https://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Dev/DeprecatingNtpdate |
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| 16:32.25 | no_gravity | That just barks up a bunch of errors ... |
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| 16:32.45 | no_gravity | Trying 'apt resinall virtualbox-dkms' ... |
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| 16:33.30 | no_gravity | Looks like 'apt resinall virtualbox-dkms' solved it! |
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| 16:46.12 | jhutchins_wk | jmcnaught: Ok, it's been updated since I last looked then. |
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| 16:48.38 | jhutchins_wk | jmcnaught: Seems like it didn't do drift adjustments though. |
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| 16:48.48 | jhutchins_wk | That might have changed too. |
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| 18:02.38 | infinity_ | if i want to find the package that provides the perl module Constant.pm, how would I do that? |
| 18:03.00 | nkuttler | infinity_: apt-file find Constant.pm |
| 18:03.20 | infinity_ | tnx |
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| 18:07.58 | no_gravity | What is a good way to see how much disk access is going on=? |
| 18:08.33 | ratrace | no_gravity: iotop; iostat (from sysstat) |
| 18:08.57 | no_gravity | iotop seems to be popular |
| 18:09.34 | no_gravity | top can't show disk access at all? |
| 18:10.03 | ratrace | i think it can; htop definitely can |
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| 18:10.20 | no_gravity | Well, top is not htop. |
| 18:10.57 | jhutchins_wk | Top will show you changes in usage, but not very dynamicaly. If you're using swap you'll see it change. |
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| 18:11.17 | no_gravity | jhutchins_wk: usage? of the disk? |
| 18:11.29 | ratrace | ah, looks like it can't; bsd top can, that's what threw me off scent |
| 18:11.32 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah. |
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| 18:12.17 | no_gravity | jhutchins_wk: Where? |
| 18:13.03 | jhutchins_wk | That's right, it's just swap that it shows. |
| 18:13.18 | no_gravity | Trying to wrap my head aroun iotops "TOTAL disk write" and "ACTUAL disk write"... |
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| 18:14.08 | ratrace | no_gravity: total cumulative vs currently sampled methinks |
| 18:14.50 | no_gravity | ratrace: I don't think so. |
| 18:15.02 | no_gravity | Both numbers jump around too much for that to be true. |
| 18:15.31 | ratrace | no_gravity: thankfully the manpage explains |
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| 18:17.07 | no_gravity | Sounds like "actual" is actual disk activity. |
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| 18:17.40 | no_gravity | While "total" is the amount of data send to the kernel "please write this to disk". |
| 18:17.43 | ratrace | where do you even see "actual" .... there's only "total" and "current2 |
| 18:17.54 | no_gravity | ratrace: On top. |
| 18:17.55 | ratrace | %s/2/"/ |
| 18:18.04 | ratrace | no_gravity: it says "current" not "actual" |
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| 18:18.15 | no_gravity | ratrace: Not for me. |
| 18:18.48 | ratrace | no_gravity: which debian? |
| 18:18.59 | no_gravity | ratrace: 8 |
| 18:19.02 | no_gravity | ratrace: https://i.stack.imgur.com/v39cX.png |
| 18:19.15 | ratrace | oh, you're still on 8 |
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| 18:24.40 | no_gravity | Yup |
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| 18:28.53 | Big_Aziz | Hello |
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| 18:32.32 | BCMM | Big_Aziz: hi |
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| 18:35.47 | Big_Aziz | BCMM, hi :) |
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| 18:36.24 | wachbirn | #debian |
| 18:36.49 | joepublic | Yes. You are here. |
| 18:37.02 | wachbirn | sorry..my bad |
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| 18:42.04 | cclein | Hello, I have an old iMac 5,1 that I'm trying to install 10.0 on. It has a 32bit uefi and 64 bit processor. I have configured a usb drive to boot the 64bit installation with 32bit uefi. Is there a way to install debian using msdos/grub and not uefi? I ask this because booting a non mac os on this computer does not initialize the video adapter. |
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| 18:48.49 | BCMM | cclein: it should work with uefi https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI#Support_for_mixed-mode_systems:_64-bit_system_with_32-bit_UEFI |
| 18:50.57 | cclein | BCMM: I am able to boot properly, but I need to install in legacy mode. an msdos partition table. I think I just need to pull the drive and recreate a partition table in msdos mode. |
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| 18:53.22 | cclein | I'm trying an EFI install now for fun. But I don't think the gpu will be initialized properly. |
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| 18:59.28 | cclein | BCMM: I can confirm that the gpu is not initialized. Will try an msdos part table. |
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| 19:05.40 | BCMM | why do you need to boot in legacy mode? does the system firmware even have bios emulation? |
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| 19:07.45 | jmcnaught | cclein: there are special debian-mac ISO images for older Macs, are you using one of those images? |
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| 19:12.28 | cclein | BCMM: It does I believe. I was trying to get rEFInd to work. It has a OSX_version_spoof to get the graphics initialized but I could never get it to work right. |
| 19:12.50 | cclein | jmcnaught: I was not aware of those. I will try that out. |
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| 19:13.22 | jmcnaught | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ in the same directory as the regular netinst, there's a note about the debian-mac images above the file list |
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| 19:16.16 | cclein | jmcnaught: I don't know if I can boot that image from USB. The DVD is toast. Will give it a try. Thanks. |
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| 19:17.21 | jmcnaught | cclein: Debian ISO images are hybrid images that can be written to a USB device (don't write it to a partition) and booted, that said I don't know about Macs |
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| 19:20.07 | cclein | jmcnaught: the old ones have issues with the iso format I think. I made this boot stick with unetbootin, which worked ok. |
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| 19:20.37 | jmcnaught | !unetbootin |
| 19:20.38 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
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| 19:33.42 | Filystyn | helo |
| 19:33.46 | Filystyn | so im back with same problem |
| 19:33.48 | Adalid_Negro | Good afternoon, after installation of debian 10, I had an screen with fsckd-cancel-msg but it never ends |
| 19:33.54 | Adalid_Negro | someone knows about that_? |
| 19:34.01 | Filystyn | debian is cancer that breaks as fuck |
| 19:34.16 | Filystyn | Why can't you make the packets work |
| 19:34.28 | Filystyn | apt --fix-broken is total shit |
| 19:34.28 | apt | Filystyn: what are you talking about? |
| 19:34.36 | Filystyn | ok enough complain |
| 19:34.49 | Filystyn | i need to fix the packet chaos |
| 19:34.54 | Filystyn | udev is down lol |
| 19:35.06 | Adalid_Negro | show us your sources.list |
| 19:35.48 | Filystyn | deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian buster main contrib non-free |
| 19:35.48 | Filystyn | deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian buster-updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:35.48 | Filystyn | deb http://security.debian.org buster/updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:36.06 | greycat | If you expect us to do anything, we need to know what problem you're having, on what version of Debian, and any relevant details (what the error messages say, etc.) |
| 19:36.17 | Filystyn | im on stretch ( i was ) |
| 19:36.21 | Filystyn | im trying to update to buster |
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| 19:36.53 | Filystyn | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 19:36.53 | Filystyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.53 | Filystyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.53 | Filystyn | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 19:36.57 | Adalid_Negro | how did you that change? |
| 19:37.07 | Filystyn | i swpaed stretch to buster |
| 19:37.14 | Filystyn | apt update |
| 19:37.14 | apt | it has been said that update is to refresh the mirrors |
| 19:37.16 | Filystyn | apth upgrade |
| 19:37.21 | Filystyn | apt dist-upgrade |
| 19:37.21 | apt | ask me about 'woody->sarge' or 'woody->sid', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. |
| 19:37.23 | Filystyn | ;-) |
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| 19:38.25 | samuk | fresh install of buster on thinkpad, no ethernet socket. need to install realtek wifi driver, put it on usb. Can't install as 'sam' user as not in sudo, can't install sudo package as not in sudo. Ideas? |
| 19:38.26 | Filystyn | running that stupid apt fix |
| 19:38.30 | Filystyn | wait a sec |
| 19:38.35 | Adalid_Negro | ok, well if you want I could help you to finish your upgrade |
| 19:38.42 | Filystyn | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 19:38.42 | Filystyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.42 | Filystyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.42 | Filystyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.42 | Filystyn | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 19:38.46 | Adalid_Negro | it's not your solution |
| 19:38.53 | jmcnaught | samuk: become root with 'su -l' and the root password |
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| 19:38.58 | Filystyn | well crap |
| 19:39.04 | EoflaOE | samuk: Can you log in as root and add yourself to sudoers? |
| 19:39.08 | samuk | can't install as root as 'ldconfig is not found in path or is not executable |
| 19:39.09 | jmcnaught | Filystyn: https://paste.debian.net/ |
| 19:39.14 | greycat | !Buster su |
| 19:39.14 | Filystyn | I am on root dude |
| 19:39.14 | dpkg | The <su> command changed in buster: it no longer overrides the PATH variable. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for workarounds. |
| 19:39.22 | greycat | Filystyn: different user. |
| 19:39.35 | Filystyn | ssh is not working because udev uis not working |
| 19:39.39 | Filystyn | im on last ssh hehe |
| 19:39.42 | Filystyn | if this fuck up |
| 19:39.45 | Filystyn | im fucked |
| 19:39.47 | joepublic | "Dude I am totally root" does not address the path issue. |
| 19:39.47 | Filystyn | got it ? |
| 19:40.21 | greycat | Filystyn: what does "apt install udev" say? |
| 19:41.04 | Filystyn | breaks hard give me sec to copy |
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| 19:41.45 | samuk | jmcnaught thanks that did it.. |
| 19:42.32 | Filystyn | and apt having hard time with &> savethis |
| 19:42.37 | Filystyn | im trying to figure sec.. |
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| 19:43.23 | greycat | apt install udev 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 19:43.59 | BCMM | Filystyn: "if this fuck up im fucked" sounds like a good reason to calm down and start listening to people... |
| 19:44.12 | greycat | he's being cooperative so far |
| 19:46.05 | Filystyn | https://paste.ofcode.org/6yNezTR8eV4fN6NGb3LwLc |
| 19:46.17 | greycat | well that's not a good sign |
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| 19:46.50 | greycat | oh, it *does* work in lynx despite that outrageously large random-looking URL |
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| 19:46.59 | samuk | so when installing it gave a message you need xyz blah blah wifi driver, I couldn't install it as it wasn't installed (no ethernet) how do I find out what driver I need for the onboard wifi now it's properly installed (giving up on usb realtek) |
| 19:47.10 | Filystyn | https://termbin.com/epzc |
| 19:48.12 | coruja | Filystyn, See "systemctl status systemd-udevd.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details. |
| 19:48.14 | greycat | so the fundamental error is that an attempt to restart the udev service fails, and it says to See "systemctl status systemd-udevd.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details. |
| 19:48.15 | trek00 | I have installed grub-efi-amd64-signed, but after that it enabled kernel lockdown even if I don't have enabled secure boot in the bios: can I temporary disable lockdown with a kernel command line? the sysrq + x method is disabled |
| 19:48.36 | Filystyn | Failed to lower RLIMIT_NOFILE's soft limit to 1K: Function not implemented |
| 19:48.40 | Filystyn | they give back same thing |
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| 19:49.08 | jmcnaught | samuk: you can see which firmware files you're missing with 'dmesg | grep -i firmware' (as root), then search for that file https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents |
| 19:49.40 | BCMM | samuk: did the message say "driver" or "firmware" |
| 19:49.44 | BCMM | ? |
| 19:50.31 | Filystyn | iwas adviced to simply reboot but if that wont work rip. no control. |
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| 19:51.01 | greycat | Filystyn: is this system "real" or virtual? If it's virtual, what kind of virtualization is it, on what kernel? |
| 19:51.17 | Filystyn | VPS Linux server 3.2.7 #1 SMP Mon Feb 20 20:05:53 MSK 2017 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:51.32 | coruja | uah, stone-age |
| 19:51.45 | Filystyn | actualy it was 2.6 recently but i asked them to change it |
| 19:51.45 | greycat | That's clearly a non-Debian kernel, and it's *right* on the borderline of the minimum kernel for buster. |
| 19:51.59 | jmcnaught | trek00: what do you mean by kernel lockdown? |
| 19:52.11 | Filystyn | yeah 3.2 is minimum |
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| 19:52.32 | BCMM | Filystyn: ... are you trying to "upgrade" from a different distro to debian? |
| 19:52.42 | Filystyn | from stretch to buster |
| 19:52.46 | Filystyn | not different distro |
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| 19:52.55 | greycat | He's trying to upgrade stretch to buster on a VPS running a wheezy-age but non-Debian kernel. |
| 19:53.18 | trek00 | jmcnaught: trying to access /dev/mem the kernel tell me: Lockdown: /dev/mem,kmem,port is restricted; see https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot |
| 19:53.23 | |xD| | OT: do i need old AM4 cpu when I have to upgrade bios on mainboard for ryzen 3000? |
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| 19:53.43 | greycat | I tried googling what you said about RLIMIT_NOFILE but I suspect you didn't give us the exact error message, because I'm not seeing any real matches. |
| 19:53.49 | coruja | Filystyn, so poke your service provider to provide a more recent kernel, having read about that error i found out it's caused by limitations of vserver templates/images |
| 19:53.51 | Filystyn | I fail to understand how is that *non debian kernel* |
| 19:53.51 | greycat | The closest I found was #865449 |
| 19:53.52 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/865449 in src:systemd (closed, fixed-upstream, patch, stretch): «src:systemd: LimitNOFILE does not work as advertised»; severity: important; opened: 2017-06-21; last modified: 2017-08-20. |
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| 19:54.29 | Filystyn | coruja i just said I asked few days earlier to upgrade 2.6 to 3.2 or higher |
| 19:54.50 | Filystyn | if debian fails on 3.2 why does it request minimum 3.2 ? |
| 19:54.52 | jmcnaught | |xD|: try asking in ##hardware |
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| 19:55.14 | greycat | Filystyn: Debian kernels have VERY different version numbering. It's immediately obvious. And it may be OK -- Debian does support running on non-Debian kernels, but the burden is on you to make sure all the stuff you need in the kernel is in the kernel. |
| 19:55.18 | coruja | someone offering those old kernels as 'service' should be wiped from the market soon imho |
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| 19:55.43 | greycat | A regular wheezy kernel looks like Linux ebase-fla 3.2.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.96-3 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:56.22 | Filystyn | so it asks form debian 3.2 but goes with flow with every 3.2 |
| 19:56.23 | Filystyn | k |
| 19:56.47 | Filystyn | Honestly if service is critical I expect to run as much as possible and pass some report/log what ever |
| 19:56.54 | Filystyn | instead of blowing up |
| 19:57.01 | Filystyn | because a function did not exist |
| 19:57.08 | Filystyn | or what ever crap. |
| 19:57.20 | Filystyn | how to go back to strech now |
| 19:57.24 | Filystyn | is it possible ? |
| 19:57.24 | greycat | coruja: what search results did you find? |
| 19:57.53 | coruja | greycat, same as yours and a forum thread at debianforum.de |
| 19:58.02 | trek00 | Filystyn: upgrading the kernel via apt is not feasible? |
| 19:58.09 | jmcnaught | trek00: is this happening at boot? |
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| 19:58.23 | greycat | He's in some sort of VPS (he didn't tell us which kind) where he doesn't control the kernel. |
| 19:58.43 | trek00 | jmcnaught: no, I need to access /dev/mem to debug mapped device registers |
| 20:00.02 | Filystyn | does udev have conf file i can change |
| 20:00.13 | Filystyn | like tell it to not *use* the function it;'s trying to use |
| 20:00.28 | Filystyn | that is the easiest solution i guess |
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| 20:00.55 | Filystyn | i see udev.conf |
| 20:01.06 | jmcnaught | trek00: you said 'sysrq + x' did you mean 'alt-sysrq + x'? |
| 20:01.13 | Filystyn | and it's empty |
| 20:01.14 | trek00 | Filystyn: what function is missed? |
| 20:01.26 | Filystyn | well not empty but not much |
| 20:01.40 | Filystyn | Failed to lower RLIMIT_NOFILE's soft limit to 1K: Function not implemented |
| 20:01.52 | trek00 | jmcnaught: yes if i press alt+sysrq+x it tells me: sysrq: SysRq : This sysrq operation is disabled. |
| 20:02.19 | Filystyn | trek the error message is not clear |
| 20:02.23 | coruja | Filystyn, may we see your /etc/security/limits.conf ? |
| 20:03.00 | greycat | OK, I think I finally found coruja's result: https://debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=174004 |
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| 20:03.20 | Filystyn | https://termbin.com/wuf3 |
| 20:03.52 | coruja | greycat, why haven't you asked me, i just thought you weren't interested in it ;) |
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| 20:05.38 | Mathisen | anyone mind checking one thing for me. is virtualbox-6.0 package broken for anyone else on buster. dep problems for me |
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| 20:06.10 | trek00 | Filystyn: I think udev is calling setrlimit_closest(RLIMIT_NOFILE) that could require linux 4.5 |
| 20:06.19 | Filystyn | i guess i just need to override some of default udev.conf options vide this one option |
| 20:06.24 | greycat | Looks like the German user had the same issue with a non-Debian 3.16 kernel, and didn't pursue it far enough to find an answer. |
| 20:06.36 | greycat | Although I'm using google's translation, so I could be missing something. |
| 20:06.48 | Filystyn | trek where do you find the default udev.conf ? |
| 20:06.58 | greycat | /etc/udev |
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| 20:07.04 | Filystyn | no thats not there |
| 20:07.13 | Filystyn | udev.conf ovverrides default |
| 20:07.22 | trek00 | Filystyn: it is not something configurable, it should be in the source code |
| 20:07.35 | Filystyn | ihm |
| 20:07.45 | Filystyn | still if there is no call to function it should be ok |
| 20:07.46 | Mathisen | https://paste.debian.net/1093634/ |
| 20:08.00 | Filystyn | it breaks when reaches it so it's more of script play |
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| 20:08.25 | hans_ | does debian's crontab support `@weekly` ? |
| 20:08.37 | greycat | man 5 crontab |
| 20:08.56 | greycat | "man crontab" gets you crontab(1) which is a different page (for the command-line tool) |
| 20:09.21 | Filystyn | trek can you psate the function name again |
| 20:09.22 | coruja | Filystyn, i just thought of setting the demanded limit of 1k yourself but i don't know if this works or even is a good idea |
| 20:09.25 | hans_ | yes it does, thanks ^^ |
| 20:11.05 | jmcnaught | Mathisen: libcurl3 and libvpx4 packages don't exist in buster as far as I can tell. Where is this virtualbox-6.0 package from? |
| 20:11.20 | trek00 | Filystyn: systemd already had these problems with rlimit https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1686361 |
| 20:11.20 | Filystyn | setting does nothing it runs all be default probz |
| 20:12.12 | Mathisen | jmcnaught, hmmm im just using standard repos.. >> https://paste.debian.net/1093635/ |
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| 20:12.54 | jmcnaught | Mathisen: what about files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? virtualbox is not in buster. |
| 20:13.08 | ratrace | ,v virtualbox |
| 20:13.09 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 6.0.10-dfsg-2 |
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| 20:13.24 | Filystyn | maybe i should just remove udev and use mdev? |
| 20:13.42 | trek00 | Filystyn: are you able to recompile the udev package after commenting a line? |
| 20:13.49 | Mathisen | jmcnaught, my bad and thanks... yes i had an old one in there not even for buster :) deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch contrib ... sorry |
| 20:13.54 | Mathisen | il sort it now |
| 20:13.56 | Filystyn | trek i could ofc |
| 20:14.10 | Filystyn | but running compiled by my self packet ugh |
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| 20:14.27 | Filystyn | this would probably explode after some time ;-) |
| 20:14.37 | jmcnaught | Mathisen: glad you figured it out. For what it's worth I like virt-manager and libvirt/KVM which is in Debian still. |
| 20:14.55 | greycat | Filystyn: I think the crisis is enough to justify trying whatever trek00 has in mind, just long enough to get you to a stable state |
| 20:15.08 | trek00 | Filystyn: if you use dpkg-buildpackage it will produce the same package you can download |
| 20:15.27 | Filystyn | ok. just a sec. I can just download esyly the source? |
| 20:15.38 | Filystyn | with some dpkg command? |
| 20:15.39 | trek00 | apt-get source udev |
| 20:15.42 | Mathisen | jmcnaught, i use virtualbox for phpvirtualbox .. i have used virt-manager in the past but im not sure if there is any web interface ? |
| 20:15.42 | greycat | If VPS containers are going to start blowing up when people upgrade to buster, we definitely want to know all we can about it. |
| 20:16.10 | Filystyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.13 | greycat | Filystyn: you need "deb-src" lines as well as "deb" lines |
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| 20:16.38 | greycat | basically, every deb line, just copy/paste it, and change deb to deb-src on the copy |
| 20:16.45 | Filystyn | k |
| 20:16.51 | jmcnaught | Mathisen: there's cockpit (cockpit-machines) new in buster but I haven't tried it. virt-manager can also manage remote hosts over ssh. |
| 20:17.04 | CaptainDusty | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.27 | CaptainDusty | (Please don't do that..) |
| 20:17.33 | CaptainDusty | (As in; my example) |
| 20:17.39 | BCMM | CaptainDusty: ... install gentoo? |
| 20:17.49 | CaptainDusty | BCMM: >.< lol |
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| 20:18.21 | Mathisen | jmcnaught, il check it out |
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| 20:19.25 | Filystyn | ok i got teh source i think |
| 20:19.38 | trek00 | Filystyn: when done, you should have unpacked udev on the current directory |
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| 20:19.58 | trek00 | Filystyn: something like systemd-240 |
| 20:20.09 | Filystyn | tho seems there was some little problem let me paste |
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| 20:21.24 | Filystyn | https://paste.debian.net/plain/1093636 |
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| 20:22.15 | Filystyn | anyway i got it in dir ( moved to some empty place ) |
| 20:22.26 | trek00 | Filystyn: you should install dpkg-dev and build-essentials |
| 20:22.27 | Filystyn | i got systemd241 |
| 20:22.29 | greycat | you need to do it in a place where you have write permissions and enough space |
| 20:22.45 | greycat | unlike "apt install", "apt source" puts stuff in $PWD |
| 20:22.56 | Izoughe | I'm having trouble getting docker to work on a debian 9 VM, and it seems like the issue is something broken with cgroups. Docker was working, but then I accidentally filled up the host machine's disk drive, and after freeing up space, trying to run docker gives " docker: Error response from daemon: cgroups: cannot find cgroup mount destination: unknown. |
| 20:22.56 | Izoughe | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.05 | trek00 | Filystyn: then remove the directory systemd241 and do again apt-get source udev |
| 20:23.27 | greycat | trek00: udev is part of systemd, so it's expected to have a systemd-xxx directory |
| 20:23.27 | Izoughe | I reinstalled docker and that didn't change anything, so I'm pretty sure the issue isn't related to docker specifically |
| 20:24.10 | trek00 | greycat: it was failed to unpack |
| 20:24.15 | Filystyn | k |
| 20:24.45 | Filystyn | tho i dont have build-essentials |
| 20:24.50 | Filystyn | i installed dkpg-dev |
| 20:24.56 | trek00 | Filystyn: sorry build-essential and fakeroot |
| 20:25.32 | greycat | "apt-get build-dev udev" would be the canonical next step |
| 20:25.51 | Filystyn | ok |
| 20:25.54 | Filystyn | i got the source |
| 20:26.01 | trek00 | Filystyn: if you don't mind, I already wrote a little guide for that https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=908796#243 |
| 20:26.02 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/908796 in udev (closed, patch): «udev (with sysvinit) fails to find devices at boot»; severity: important; opened: 2018-09-14; last modified: 2019-04-14. |
| 20:26.03 | Filystyn | now where was the line i need to fix/comment out ? |
| 20:27.05 | trek00 | Filystyn: you should edit the src/udev/udev-event.c file and comment the full line of rlimit_nofile_safe in the function udev_event_spawn |
| 20:27.21 | trek00 | Filystyn: it should be the line 646 |
| 20:28.02 | Filystyn | yeah i got it |
| 20:28.07 | Filystyn | should i leave header alone |
| 20:28.08 | Filystyn | ? |
| 20:28.11 | Filystyn | probz yeah |
| 20:28.13 | trek00 | Filystyn: then to compile it you need many packages to be installed: if you want to remove them later you need to create a list |
| 20:28.28 | trek00 | Filystyn: don't touch other lines |
| 20:28.41 | greycat | If you' |
| 20:28.43 | Filystyn | just commented it |
| 20:28.54 | Filystyn | ok i got it |
| 20:29.02 | greycat | If you're not especially short on space, you might want to leave the dev packages installed for a while, 'cause I don't know how deep this rabbit hole is going to go. |
| 20:29.03 | Filystyn | now i build it i guess? |
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| 20:29.24 | trek00 | Filystyn: you need the apt-get build-dep systemd step |
| 20:29.46 | trek00 | Filystyn: then you can do dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us |
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| 20:30.11 | Filystyn | no packet build-dep |
| 20:30.32 | greycat | build-dep is the verb, not a package name |
| 20:30.58 | Filystyn | ok but where i run the apt-get build-dep systemd |
| 20:31.02 | Filystyn | anywherE? |
| 20:31.05 | greycat | anywhewre |
| 20:31.06 | Filystyn | its just to get the libs ye? |
| 20:31.16 | greycat | *-dev packages in general, yes |
| 20:31.33 | Filystyn | k it's downloading |
| 20:33.39 | Filystyn | seems all was downloaded |
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| 20:34.08 | Filystyn | now i need to point dpkg to build the packet |
| 20:34.15 | greycat | then the dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us should work |
| 20:34.23 | Filystyn | just go to dir with source or ? |
| 20:34.24 | greycat | you run that inside the systemd-xxx directory as yourself |
| 20:34.29 | Filystyn | k |
| 20:34.45 | Filystyn | its compiling |
| 20:35.19 | trek00 | Filystyn: good, it could break on tests, but I have the command line to get rid of them if needed |
| 20:35.29 | Filystyn | k man |
| 20:35.38 | Filystyn | the linker lines are killing my eyes |
| 20:35.53 | Filystyn | and other cc options |
| 20:36.23 | trek00 | Filystyn: it will stop if broken, don't mind to read :) |
| 20:36.47 | Filystyn | seems this will take some time |
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| 20:37.43 | Filystyn | ill talk about that debian kernel thing with the provider later |
| 20:38.31 | greycat | It sounds like it's more of a "needs 4.x" than "needs a Debian kernel config" thing at this point, but we're still testing and exploring. |
| 20:38.33 | Filystyn | trek did you just grep -R that line ? |
| 20:39.10 | Filystyn | should i not uninstall udev before compilation? |
| 20:39.16 | Filystyn | kind of kit me |
| 20:39.19 | Filystyn | hit* |
| 20:39.26 | greycat | wait to see if it builds cleanly first |
| 20:39.31 | Filystyn | ok |
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| 20:43.25 | trek00 | Filystyn: when you install the new packaged built, it will automatically remove the old one |
| 20:43.43 | Filystyn | ok we are close to 100% |
| 20:43.47 | greycat | overwrite, rather than remove |
| 20:43.59 | greycat | removing udev would be not-good |
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| 20:44.04 | trek00 | Filystyn: yes i've done some rgrep to find the exact location, systemd source is.. large |
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| 20:50.22 | Filystyn | and tests failed - few |
| 20:50.40 | Filystyn | Ok: 487 |
| 20:50.40 | Filystyn | Expected Fail: 0 |
| 20:50.40 | Filystyn | Fail: 23 |
| 20:50.40 | Filystyn | Unexpected Pass: 0 |
| 20:50.40 | Filystyn | Skipped: 4 |
| 20:50.40 | Filystyn | Timeout: 1 |
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| 20:50.49 | Filystyn | ops sry |
| 20:50.56 | trek00 | Filystyn: well you can disable them with sed -i 's/\(main(.*) {\)/\1 return 0;/' src/test/test-*.c |
| 20:51.26 | Filystyn | you mean just to cp this line |
| 20:51.35 | Filystyn | not sure how to sue it ;-) |
| 20:51.51 | trek00 | Filystyn: then do dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us -nc |
| 20:51.55 | Filystyn | k |
| 20:52.32 | Filystyn | sed: -e expression #1, char 19: unterminated `s' command |
| 20:52.48 | Filystyn | hope it keeps .o files ;-) |
| 20:53.09 | trek00 | Filystyn: you cut&pasted correctly the sed line? |
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| 20:53.47 | Filystyn | seems i did |
| 20:54.40 | trek00 | Filystyn: copy it from https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=908796#253 may be the irc client changes something to emoticons? |
| 20:54.41 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/908796 in udev (closed, patch): «udev (with sysvinit) fails to find devices at boot»; severity: important; opened: 2018-09-14; last modified: 2019-04-14. |
| 20:55.26 | Filystyn | worked |
| 20:55.35 | trek00 | Filystyn: pay attention to add -nc to buildpackage to not lose the .o files |
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| 20:56.11 | Filystyn | yeah i did still lots of tests and probz still soem time will pass |
| 20:56.18 | Filystyn | i hope he wont rebuild all .o ;-) |
| 20:56.21 | Filystyn | i realy do |
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| 20:59.05 | Filystyn | 9 test failed |
| 20:59.06 | Filystyn | lol |
| 20:59.38 | Filystyn | and we have like 2x more tests now *passed* |
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| 20:59.54 | trek00 | Filystyn: I don't know how to really disable these tests |
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| 21:00.22 | Filystyn | can't i just like hehe go with the flow and have 9 failed tests ? |
| 21:00.28 | trek00 | Filystyn: it's ugly that the package can't be built if it doesn't pass all the tests |
| 21:00.46 | Filystyn | or at leats if it would tell me wich test |
| 21:00.49 | Filystyn | i could somwhow manually |
| 21:00.55 | greycat | can you just comment out something in debian/rules so it doesn't run them at all? |
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| 21:01.36 | trek00 | greycat: probably, but which line? :) |
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| 21:02.22 | trek00 | Filystyn: anyway you should have an udevd binary now |
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| 21:02.53 | Filystyn | ok |
| 21:03.08 | Filystyn | if i have binary we can ignor test hue |
| 21:03.10 | trek00 | Filystyn: I don't remember where, but it should be there a build directory |
| 21:04.15 | Filystyn | ok lets assume i find the dir how to tell dpkg to update udev |
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| 21:05.09 | greycat | if you're going for the raw udev binary, you wouldn't go through the dpkg layer... |
| 21:05.28 | trek00 | Filystyn: no, actually it can't build a package if these tests are not passed, but you can backup your original udev, then copy over the new udev binary and see if it runs fine |
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| 21:06.30 | Filystyn | no really ill just try to manualy find the failed tests |
| 21:07.05 | Filystyn | saving resoults to file for now it's only 9 tests |
| 21:07.06 | trek00 | Filystyn: they should be written in the build log something like buil/meson-log |
| 21:07.09 | Filystyn | taht fail |
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| 21:09.40 | Filystyn | 453/514 test-sd-device-monitor FAIL 0.01 s (killed by signal 6 SIGA |
| 21:09.40 | Filystyn | BRT) |
| 21:09.54 | Filystyn | got it |
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| 21:10.27 | Filystyn | now i guess i need to go and change source y ? |
| 21:10.35 | Filystyn | Assertion 'loopback = udev_device_new_from_syspath(NULL, "/sys/class/net/lo")' failed at |
| 21:10.35 | Filystyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.05 | trek00 | Filystyn: the sed line you entered before, should added a return 0 at the start of the main function of any test, I don't know why they fail |
| 21:11.26 | Filystyn | ill just go check manualy for now im writing down lines ;[) |
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| 21:13.13 | trek00 | Filystyn: if it is not the case, just add a return 0; at the start of the main function of these failed tests |
| 21:14.17 | Filystyn | ji will just comment out assertion that shoudl do |
| 21:14.43 | trek00 | Filystyn: it should run fine |
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| 21:15.28 | Filystyn | k |
| 21:15.31 | Filystyn | right i see |
| 21:16.03 | Filystyn | the problem is like this: |
| 21:16.07 | Filystyn | ./systemd-hwdb unexpectedly printed no warnings |
| 21:17.11 | trek00 | Filystyn: I can't help on this |
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| 21:17.35 | trek00 | Filystyn: systemd is out of my knowledge |
| 21:18.29 | Filystyn | its ok |
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| 21:19.46 | trek00 | Filystyn: another option is to donwload build and install an older version of udev, like the 232: it does not contain the rlimit stuff |
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| 21:21.17 | trek00 | Filystyn: you can download the three files directly from https://packages.debian.org/stretch/systemd in the "Download Source Package" section |
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| 21:23.36 | Filystyn | nah ill fix the crap by my self. 8 warning now |
| 21:23.43 | Filystyn | 2ez |
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| 21:27.11 | Filystyn | 7 tests ok this is fine rest is in same manner |
| 21:31.53 | Filystyn | some return null or are void that is probably why you can't catch all with pesky script |
| 21:32.48 | trek00 | Filystyn: right there are many types of tests included |
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| 22:32.56 | brutser | hi all! made a /boot and grub on separate usb, now i want to do: 1. create backup of the usb data and UUID (because i use this in fstab) 2. exclude the usb from mounting on my existing installs (to prevent they are both mounted with same UUID) |
| 22:35.18 | trek00 | brutser: to raw copy an entire disk you can: dd if=/dev/XXX of=/path/to/file bs=4096 |
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| 22:35.57 | Filystyn | ok |
| 22:36.00 | Filystyn | i passed all tests |
| 22:36.06 | trek00 | brutser: where /dev/XXX is the device you want to copy, like /dev/sdd if you want the whole disk (partition table included) or /dev/sdd1 if you want only the first partition |
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| 22:36.16 | Filystyn | God so much time on this lol |
| 22:36.24 | Filystyn | its now *building* further |
| 22:36.25 | trek00 | Filystyn: well you should have a .deb file in the parent directory |
| 22:36.31 | Filystyn | k |
| 22:36.42 | ratrace | brutser: "they are both" -- both what? you'll need to give more detail about what exactly you want to do here |
| 22:36.51 | brutser | trek00: ah yes of course and now i need to make sure they not get mounted at the same time, because that will mean they get different UUID? |
| 22:37.25 | ratrace | brutser: so far you mentioned only one usb and that you want to make a backup of it, so what's this other thing that's constantly plugged in that you want to prevent from being mounted? |
| 22:38.25 | Filystyn | fnone such packet lol |
| 22:38.28 | Filystyn | no .deb |
| 22:38.53 | trek00 | brutser: if you mount your /boot partition via UUID, then you should not plug the usb copy during boot, if they have the same uuid |
| 22:39.12 | trek00 | Filystyn: check the parent directory .. |
| 22:39.57 | Filystyn | ahh |
| 22:40.05 | Filystyn | lots of debs |
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| 22:40.41 | brutser | trek00: ok, but maybe this is silly thing, but i don't want the boot usb to be mounted at all, it's just there is no need to and i prefer not to have it shown on desktop by default and mounted |
| 22:40.52 | brutser | can i prevent that for a single usb? |
| 22:41.04 | Filystyn | now should I just use udev ? |
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| 22:41.12 | Filystyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.41 | trek00 | Filystyn: it should be that, you can install it with dpkg -i udev_241-5_amd64.deb |
| 22:41.46 | ratrace | brutser: you can put "noauto" in the mount options in the fstab for /boot ... but then you'd have to remember to mount it before updates for something might trigger initramfs to rebuild |
| 22:41.47 | Filystyn | ok |
| 22:42.59 | Filystyn | hehe it sFailed to lower RLIMIT_NOFILE's soft limit to 1K: Function not implemented |
| 22:43.00 | brutser | ratrace: ok, that's maybe not so smart to do then |
| 22:43.20 | ratrace | brutser: what's the reason you put grub and /boot on an usb? |
| 22:44.01 | brutser | ratrace: security reasons mainly |
| 22:44.06 | trek00 | brutser: do you have the usb /boot copy in your fstab? if not may be it get automounted by some desktop gadget, but it depends which and anyway I don't know them |
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| 22:44.41 | brutser | trek00: yes it's in fstab with UUID |
| 22:45.04 | ratrace | brutser: you can configure dpkg hooks to mount /boot before update, and umount it after |
| 22:45.07 | Filystyn | ./basic/process-util.c: log_full_errno(prio, r, "Failed to lower |
| 22:45.07 | Filystyn | RLIMIT_NOFILE's soft limit to 1K: %m"); |
| 22:45.12 | trek00 | Filystyn: please double check it has installed your new built version |
| 22:45.25 | brutser | ratrace: that's a good idea! |
| 22:45.36 | brutser | ok, i will copy that line and try to figure out how to do that |
| 22:46.00 | Filystyn | how do i double check? |
| 22:46.43 | trek00 | Filystyn: it wrote some error during the install? |
| 22:46.48 | ratrace | brutser: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-linux-hook-a-script-command-to-apt-get-upgrade-command/ |
| 22:46.52 | Filystyn | yes the usuall one |
| 22:47.05 | Filystyn | same as last time |
| 22:47.15 | brutser | ratrace: thanks! |
| 22:48.28 | ratrace | brutser: but then you'd have to update the copy too, or you'll risk mismatch in versions of modules or other initramfs tools, kernel, ... |
| 22:49.38 | brutser | ratrace: ah yes of course.. maybe i should update and then always after an update make a new clone |
| 22:50.00 | ratrace | brutser: i think maybe you should consider just encrypted /boot, instead of portable /boot |
| 22:50.16 | ratrace | you otherwise encrypt root fs, yes? |
| 22:50.37 | brutser | ratrace: yes i thought about that |
| 22:50.46 | brutser | but someone told me that is not secure |
| 22:50.51 | brutser | and i am no expert on that |
| 22:51.12 | ratrace | brutser: depends on the threat model |
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| 22:53.24 | trek00 | Filystyn: may be you should add return 0; at the start of rlimit_nofile_safe() in basic/rlimit-util.c |
| 22:54.10 | Filystyn | ok for now i have one more startegy |
| 22:54.28 | trek00 | Filystyn: this way it should no more call rlimit at all |
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| 22:56.07 | ratrace | brutser: no pm please |
| 22:56.13 | trek00 | Filystyn: try again now, it will take some time to recompile and I don't know how much I will remain connected |
| 22:56.28 | brutser | ratrace: ok, i was just for you, so that's why pm |
| 22:56.39 | Filystyn | its fine after my solution fails we will try yours relinking takes ages here |
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| 22:58.38 | trek00 | brutser: a copy of /boot & grub is secure as a backup if you get grub or /boot broken, but not secure like forbidding access |
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| 22:59.34 | brutser | trek00: if the root is encrypted, it kind of prevent access no? |
| 23:00.14 | trek00 | brutser: yes the encryption prevents the access, not the boot on usb stick |
| 23:01.07 | ratrace | it prevents access only when the computer is powered off and if the passphrase is complex enough |
| 23:01.29 | brutser | ratrace: yes of course |
| 23:02.00 | brutser | does it also prevent to know that the encrypted partition is in fact a debian install? |
| 23:02.15 | Filystyn | ok the function it self allways succes |
| 23:02.20 | Filystyn | so i hope this makes the deal |
| 23:02.20 | brutser | you would need the /boot to know that right? |
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| 23:02.55 | brutser | ratrace: i wrote you the threat model in pm, but i don't want discuss it here really |
| 23:02.57 | Filystyn | rebuilding |
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| 23:02.57 | trek00 | brutser: yes /boot, grub configuration and may be some efi variable? |
| 23:03.07 | ratrace | brutser: luks headers reveal that they're luks headers, so the attacker could assume that's some linux distro in there |
| 23:04.08 | brutser | true luks headers will know the encryption used, but can only assume what's inside |
| 23:04.51 | Bushmills | grub booting may be a dead giveaway towards that too |
| 23:06.01 | brutser | Bushmills: yes but that is separated from it on usb drive |
| 23:06.58 | trek00 | brutser: check if efibootmgr -v show some debian entry too |
| 23:07.54 | brutser | trek00: it's mbr/bios |
| 23:08.01 | trek00 | brutser: good :) |
| 23:08.04 | Filystyn | Failed to lower RLIMIT_NOFILE's soft limit to 1K: Function not implemented |
| 23:08.10 | Filystyn | it won't fag of ;-) |
| 23:08.23 | Filystyn | ehh duno what is the reason realy |
| 23:08.25 | trek00 | Filystyn: it's full of code duplication |
| 23:08.49 | Filystyn | i actualy changed the it self function |
| 23:08.52 | Filystyn | so taht should be it |
| 23:08.55 | trek00 | Filystyn: it seems rlimit_nofile is not implemented in older kernel versions |
| 23:09.21 | Filystyn | maybe i should just like fucking implement it lol |
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| 23:11.01 | trek00 | Filystyn: may be also that it's an error message from systemd directly as it is using the same libraries? try to launch it from the command line: /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd |
| 23:12.02 | Filystyn | it's thinking |
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| 23:12.30 | trek00 | Filystyn: if it does not exit, it is running fine |
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| 23:12.44 | Filystyn | well than |
| 23:13.02 | trek00 | Filystyn: ctrl-C will kill it, and you can call it again with --debug to see if it is running fine |
| 23:13.03 | Filystyn | the systemd is problem ? |
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| 23:13.23 | trek00 | Filystyn: may be, but I never used systemd sorry |
| 23:13.29 | Filystyn | okie |
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| 23:13.36 | Filystyn | anyway udev seems fine |
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| 23:14.34 | trek00 | Filystyn: well try to reinstall also the other sytemd packages you have built that are already installed |
| 23:15.35 | trek00 | Filystyn: i think the important ones are systemd, systemd-sysv and libsystemd |
| 23:16.27 | Filystyn | funny it seems udev now fails on llimits ;-)) |
| 23:16.30 | Filystyn | the error changed |
| 23:16.44 | Filystyn | and since limits was problem this is rippiti rip |
| 23:16.52 | Filystyn | last thing i was thinking just using older source? |
| 23:17.08 | Filystyn | well older versions |
| 23:17.14 | trek00 | Filystyn: yes you can rebuild an older source from debian as well |
| 23:17.34 | trek00 | Filystyn: but at first you must understand if it is a systemd or udevd problem |
| 23:18.00 | trek00 | Filystyn: other services are running fine? you can restart them? |
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| 23:18.46 | trek00 | Filystyn: if it is a systemd problem you can install another init system to work around |
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| 23:21.08 | trek00 | Filystyn: but I would bet installing an updated kernel will be easier to do |
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| 23:23.02 | Filystyn | trek ok what other init system could do ? |
| 23:23.11 | Filystyn | do i just apt remove systemd ? |
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| 23:23.43 | trek00 | Filystyn: there are high chances to break the installation, be aware |
| 23:23.55 | Filystyn | ok just suggest some other init system |
| 23:24.05 | Filystyn | that will be in repository |
| 23:24.07 | trek00 | Filystyn: installing sysvinit-core should do the trick |
| 23:24.47 | Filystyn | ok installed |
| 23:24.53 | Filystyn | should i somehow try to get rid of systemd ? |
| 23:25.09 | trek00 | Filystyn: but it may need some complex strategy to do not remove many of your installed packages |
| 23:25.23 | Filystyn | fuck packages for now we need to start sshd ;-) |
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| 23:25.46 | Filystyn | what is command for it |
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| 23:26.01 | trek00 | Filystyn: if you have installed sysvinit-core, it should have uninstalled systemd-sysv, right? |
| 23:26.37 | Filystyn | nit depends on systemd-sysv | sysvinit-core; however: |
| 23:26.38 | Filystyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.38 | Filystyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:26.42 | Filystyn | this is what happened seeems |
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| 23:27.37 | Filystyn | anyway it says the systemd-sysv is inistalled and 'systemd-sysv' is not installed, |
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| 23:28.05 | trek00 | Filystyn: sorry it's too late for me and I'm not an expert about systemd and its ecosystem |
| 23:28.12 | Filystyn | sorry the sysvinit-core is installed * |
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| 23:28.27 | Filystyn | ok wait just tell me how to start deamon with sysvinit-core |
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| 23:28.35 | Filystyn | and you can go to bed ;-) |
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| 23:29.34 | trek00 | Filystyn: if it is installed right, reboot and you should get everything started, but if it is not installed right you could not boot anymore |
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| 23:30.13 | Filystyn | ok |
| 23:30.22 | Filystyn | all cards on table lets se |
| 23:30.33 | humpled | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.48 | humpled | used to be the way, but you have to have such a file |
| 23:30.54 | jmcnaught | or 'service <service> start' |
| 23:31.43 | Filystyn | i bet i don't have it. somehow i belived it will migrate from systemctl or what ever did job in system d |
| 23:31.44 | Filystyn | hue |
| 23:31.52 | trek00 | service should be compatible with any init system |
| 23:32.01 | Filystyn | k |
| 23:33.02 | trek00 | Filystyn: for ex: service ssh start |
| 23:33.12 | Filystyn | well it seems it's a rip |
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| 23:33.16 | Filystyn | but fuck this. |
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| 23:33.35 | Filystyn | tooo tired for today |
| 23:33.40 | Filystyn | thx for help |
| 23:33.48 | Filystyn | actualy I learned something useful |
| 23:33.57 | trek00 | Filystyn: good to know :) |
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| 23:41.11 | rj1 | hi, i installed fresh debian 10 + xfce, when the display goes to sleep it won't wake.. common issue? any fix? |
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| 23:49.11 | jmcnaught | rj1: have you checked for error messages in your logs at the times when the display goes to sleep and fails to wake? I would check /var/log/syslog and your xorg log which could be in /var/log/ or in ~/.local/share/xorg/ (not Xorg.0.log if you have rebooted that one would be the current session) |
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| 23:54.34 | rj1 | jmcnaught: can't see any related errors in either of those logs |
| 23:55.06 | rj1 | also if i change terminal via alt+f1 then back to alt+f7 it will wake the display, but regular keyboard/mouse input won't |
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| 23:56.42 | *** join/#debian StalkerRiga (~Stalker@89.201.5.246) |
