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| 01:00.48 | kiwi_36 | guys why am i getting "-bash: cannot create temp file for here-document: No space left on device"? |
| 01:01.33 | rant | kiwi_36: probably because you cannot create a temp file for a heredoc because there is no space left on the device |
| 01:02.02 | kiwi_36 | rant: how can i figure out what's using all this space? |
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| 01:03.16 | rant | kiwi_36: well, first check the output of df -Th and verify.. chances are your rootfs is full |
| 01:03.56 | kiwi_36 | rant: it says /dev/vda1 is 100% |
| 01:04.13 | rant | kiwi_36: and that is the rootfs? |
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| 01:04.20 | kiwi_36 | yeah |
| 01:04.39 | kiwi_36 | i.e. "/" |
| 01:04.48 | rant | kiwi_36: and do you have other filesystems like /var or /usr? |
| 01:06.19 | rant | kiwi_36: what is the size of this filesystem? |
| 01:06.39 | kiwi_36 | it says /usr is 11GB, and /var is 27GB |
| 01:06.39 | kiwi_36 | even though / is 12GB |
| 01:07.10 | kiwi_36 | should be 12GB |
| 01:07.32 | kiwi_36 | rant: oh let me restate that, i think /var is actually 5G |
| 01:07.40 | rant | I am not sure if you answered my questions or not |
| 01:07.52 | kiwi_36 | i ran it a second time with "sudo du -sh /var", and that gave me 27G |
| 01:07.53 | rant | I am asking you if everything is all on the rootfs or if you have seperate filesystems |
| 01:08.40 | kiwi_36 | rant: everything is in vda1 (part /) |
| 01:08.54 | rant | normally I'd recommend ncdu or baobab but I can't do that in this case cause your fs is already full and you can't install anything |
| 01:08.54 | kiwi_36 | (not totally sure what you're asking) |
| 01:09.26 | rant | I am trying to gather the nature of your situation.. |
| 01:09.42 | kiwi_36 | rant: yeah i get "no space left on device" when i try to install ncdu |
| 01:09.45 | rant | it is possible to make other filesystems and mount them onto the rootfs |
| 01:10.08 | wuseman | Maybe you can wipe /home/user/.cache or /tmp to get some freespace |
| 01:10.12 | rant | if for example you had a vda2 mounted on /var then the size of /var is irrelevant to the rootfs being full cause /var isn't part of the rootfs |
| 01:10.21 | themill | kiwi_36: do you have a separate /home too there? |
| 01:10.40 | rant | we cant know what to investigate if we don't know what all is on the rootfs and what its overall size is |
| 01:10.49 | themill | (a pastebin of "df -h" would be useful to see) |
| 01:11.17 | rant | if "everything" is on rootfs and its only 12GB you quite simply need to redo the whole system.. cause you just simply did not allocate enough space |
| 01:11.25 | kiwi_36 | i have a "debian" user in /home |
| 01:11.29 | kiwi_36 | 3.2G |
| 01:11.52 | themill | kiwi_36: no-one is asking about du, it would be better to see "df -h" |
| 01:12.00 | rant | kiwi_36: df -Th | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 01:12.52 | kiwi_36 | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cfTNH9fvdf/ |
| 01:13.29 | themill | that is not at all consistent with the info you previously provided |
| 01:14.06 | rant | kiwi_36: you simply do not have enough space on this system.. check /var/cache |
| 01:14.27 | kiwi_36 | sorry my filesystem knowledge is very basic, it's a bit confusing |
| 01:14.48 | rant | kiwi_36: is this a desktop system with a GUI? |
| 01:14.58 | kiwi_36 | rant: nope, it's an openstack instance |
| 01:15.10 | rant | ah.. |
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| 01:17.14 | rant | well that changes things a bit.. a desktop install would take 3-6GB and need twice that just to have enough space to do a dist-upgrade. but for a basic server type system or something for a specific purpose you can probably get away with a 12GB rootfs |
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| 01:18.16 | rant | kiwi_36: we do still have problems with the info you've provided, /usr cannot be 11GB and /var 5GB if they are both on the rootfs which is only 12GB |
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| 01:18.40 | kiwi_36 | yeah i think i maybe was using the wrong command to get those values |
| 01:18.48 | rant | and /usr should not be 11GB nearly 100% of the rootfs on its own if you have no X or Desktop Environment |
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| 01:19.52 | themill | .o0( looking at different machines, perhaps ) |
| 01:20.19 | kiwi_36 | definitely ran those commands on my vm |
| 01:20.29 | kiwi_36 | does du -sh give directory size? |
| 01:20.40 | rant | yeah, I'm not familiar with what exactly openstack is.. there are so damn many similar technologies now I'm not very familiar with them |
| 01:20.51 | rant | but does seem like you're confusing output |
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| 01:22.25 | kiwi_36 | ok let me update my values: ~ = 3.2G, /var = 5.5G, /usr = 1.5G |
| 01:22.31 | kiwi_36 | these are du -sh values |
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| 01:25.01 | Church- | So question, do I need to use apt-daily or can I just set a cron/timer to call unattended-upgrades at a certain time? And secondally is there an easy way to validate it's completed running? |
| 01:25.53 | rant | kiwi_36: do you have the nc command? netcat? |
| 01:26.21 | kiwi_36 | rant: not installed unfortunately |
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| 01:26.27 | kiwi_36 | maybe i can free up some space |
| 01:26.53 | rant | kiwi_36: thats ok, do you have sudo configured to allow you to run commands as root? |
| 01:27.00 | kiwi_36 | yeah |
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| 01:27.18 | rant | kiwi_36: do you have to type a password each time? |
| 01:27.38 | kiwi_36 | nope, using ssh |
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| 01:27.57 | rant | for i in /*/; do sudo du -sh "$i"; done |
| 01:28.08 | rant | paste that on paste.debian.net |
| 01:28.40 | rant | if you have to type the password each time you run sudo, you'll need to sudo -v first to avoide typing your password on each iteration of the loop |
| 01:30.40 | rant | kiwi_36: /var/ and ~/ seem to be where your disk space are, which is common |
| 01:31.01 | kiwi_36 | rant: https://paste.debian.net/1093769/ |
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| 01:31.43 | rant | kiwi_36: what is this vm used for? |
| 01:31.56 | kiwi_36 | running a small chat application |
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| 01:32.01 | kiwi_36 | but it makes daily backups |
| 01:32.13 | rant | kiwi_36: do /home/ ? |
| 01:32.23 | rant | kiwi_36: erm, to /home ? the backups? |
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| 01:32.49 | kiwi_36 | yeah to /home, but i cleaned up my backups directory a week or so ago, so now it's very small |
| 01:33.00 | rant | cause I see no reason for the 3GB or more on /home, thats a bit ridiculous.. but if you're backing up there, that makes sense |
| 01:33.18 | kiwi_36 | rant: ~/backups is 300M |
| 01:33.55 | rant | kiwi_36: well then that is one problem, you got something possibly logs that are insanely huge in /home/ |
| 01:34.05 | rant | kiwi_36: sudo du -sh /var/*/ should narrow down the other issue |
| 01:35.05 | rant | sounds to me like this small chat application is buggy or misconfigured cause no "small application" should've ran away and filled a 12GB volume |
| 01:36.04 | kiwi_36 | yeah i properly need to comb through each directory and see what's taking up all this space |
| 01:36.35 | rant | you got about 2.5GB in /home/ unaccounted for and /var is probably 4-5GB larger than it should be |
| 01:37.18 | rant | I'd check /var/cache, /var/cache/apt/, and /var/log/ first |
| 01:37.29 | rant | downloaded packages sit in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 01:37.51 | rant | they aren't needed and can be removed manually or with an apt clean or apt-get clean |
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| 01:38.33 | kiwi_36 | rant: ah..... |
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| 01:38.38 | kiwi_36 | lol /var/log is 5.2G |
| 01:38.40 | rant | I have a full desktop install and my entire /var is only 1.7GB |
| 01:39.01 | rant | yes you have a buggy or misconfigured piece of software that filled your system with logs it would seem |
| 01:39.15 | kiwi_36 | i remember now, i found this last week, totally forgot about /var/log |
| 01:39.18 | abrotman | or an actual problem being logged |
| 01:39.24 | kiwi_36 | can i remove /var/log? |
| 01:39.27 | kiwi_36 | or clear it? |
| 01:39.30 | rant | abrotman: out of space on / :D |
| 01:40.10 | rant | kiwi_36: you /can/ but as abrotman says, you might want to figure out what the problem was that something felt the need to log 5GB worth of info on |
| 01:40.28 | rant | to do that, you gotta have a look at the logs |
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| 01:43.45 | kiwi_36 | rant: doing that now, seems like it's an error with my application |
| 01:44.17 | kiwi_36 | but at least i know what's causing all my space to be used up, so thanks for helping me figure that out ;) |
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| 02:55.04 | jim | SerajewelKS, hi... are you around? |
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| 02:58.33 | rant | jim: my buffer shows you were conversating around this time yesterday and were told that they are a sysadmin on east coast, and would most likely be active during normal business hours.. this however is not a social channel, if you have an issue you can just ask a question and keep personal contact in personal messages or social channels |
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| 02:59.05 | rant | its 11pm on the east coast, its not during normal business hours |
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| 02:59.31 | rant | its during the time people working normal hours would be asleep or heading to bed |
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| 03:07.10 | jim | rant, ok. I am given to understand that some sound card hardware has those 3.5mm sockets that flip a bit somewhere when something's connected to them... I'm looking to find out how to read those bits |
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| 03:08.08 | rant | jim: well the jack is physically a switch.. the part that connects to the tip of the jack is pushed back when its inserted and when that happens it moves off one contact onto another |
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| 03:08.40 | rant | jim: so it's not like its a software thing you can control.. its a physical switch |
| 03:08.52 | jim | understood. can the driver read that? |
| 03:09.10 | jim | I didn't ask to control it, just to read it |
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| 03:09.30 | k_sze | Is it possible that the version of binutils in Debian Buster is still affected by this bug? https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=23425 |
| 03:09.45 | rant | hmm.. well I suppose it could, but I guess it would depend on the hardware |
| 03:10.33 | rant | cause on some machines jacks are also multi-function.. my laptop only has one.. and its both input and output.. but doesn't switch between the two, it just supports jacks with 3 and 4 contacts |
| 03:10.55 | rant | i.e. can't be just a microphone port.. has to be a headset with mic |
| 03:12.18 | jim | so, the #alsa folks have a script that collects data about the system it's run on, including those bits... when I present the output of that script on a pastebin, some folks were able to read that listing and determine where I had my headphone plug connected |
| 03:12.32 | jim | so it's not just a theory, it's fact |
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| 03:13.32 | rant | yes, things like the alsa utils show if something is plugged in on most hardware so I guess its doable |
| 03:15.19 | rant | jim: bottom line for here is, this is not a debian support question.. its kernel/alsa development related.. if you have a legit concern, try lkml, or alsa channels |
| 03:15.35 | jim | SerajewelKS has demonstrated pretty extensive knowledge about the sound driver, and has been helping me get through this |
| 03:16.13 | rant | yeah well, you can't use this channel for that.. if someone /wanted/ to make themselves available to milk their knowledge they'd give you a means to do so.. |
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| 03:16.43 | rant | for more in depth development type things you serve yourself and everyone else best if you use a development channel or mailing list |
| 03:16.55 | rant | more detailed stuff is much better done on mailing lists anyhow |
| 03:16.56 | jim | you were not part of that conversation, so I guess you don't have that information |
| 03:17.19 | rant | I have the most recent stuff.. I dont keep logs but I have a buffer, and saw the last night's conversation |
| 03:17.40 | rant | and the channel /is/ pubilically logged if need be |
| 03:17.47 | rant | dpkg, logs? |
| 03:17.47 | dpkg | Logs are what you should always check when you have a problem, they live in /var/log/ . For #debian logs, ask me about <irclog>. |
| 03:17.55 | rant | dpkg, irclog? |
| 03:17.55 | dpkg | from memory, irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/ |
| 03:18.51 | rant | thats my point, things where anyone would have to have seen old convo and use extensive knowledge is beyond the scope of this channel |
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| 03:20.21 | jim | maybe you should just /ignore me and you'll never be bothered with this again |
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| 03:23.35 | jim | I'm getting support for software that is distributed by debian, so in my view it's legit |
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| 03:37.49 | rant | yes, I know you view it that way, and I'm trying to tell you its not helping you or anyone else. I've been here decades and never ignored anyone, I'm not gonna start now. Folks sit here expecting when they see activity in this channel for it to be a question they can weigh in on.. so having things outside the scope not only lessens the ability to support more apropo questions, but its not getting you the |
| 03:37.55 | rant | help you need and in a timely fashion |
| 03:38.08 | rant | mailing lists are surprisingly quick in response and reach a wider more advanced audience.. |
| 03:40.01 | rant | https://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Mailing-lists https://lkml.org/ |
| 03:40.40 | rant | your line of questioning is hardware/kernel/alsa related, it is not debian user related in even the most remote sense as you asked no question related to debian use of such things |
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| 03:59.16 | petn-randall | rant: If they run Debian, users are free to ask whatever they want about their system in this channel. This includes the Linux kernel and alsa stack provided by Debian. |
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| 04:00.59 | rant | I am not questioning their freedom to do so, I am saying that trying to milk individual users via this channel even when they're not active and not asking specific questions but wanting to carry on in depth development debates are better suited for other means |
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| 04:03.13 | jim | all I said was "are you here" |
| 04:03.40 | jim | what is it you're trying to protect? |
| 04:03.45 | rant | I'm not trying to argue here.. I'm just trying to tell you how to get better served without developing potentially disruptive habits |
| 04:04.22 | rant | you could've sent a private message for that, and you can contact developers who can carry on the kinds of detailed conversations you are looking for |
| 04:04.43 | rant | most of them prefer to do so on mailing lists at their leisure |
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| 04:05.08 | ZaZaGX | hello |
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| 04:06.10 | jim | I'd advance that (a) my habits are my business, and (b) habits that have not formed yet are vaporware. having said that, thanks for suggesting ways that would better serve me |
| 04:06.13 | nefsation | hi there |
| 04:06.23 | jim | ZaZaGX, hi |
| 04:06.36 | ZaZaGX | i just got the debian 10 to work on my laptop |
| 04:06.41 | jim | nefsation, hi too |
| 04:06.50 | ZaZaGX | it took like gave up like 3 times lol |
| 04:06.53 | jim | ZaZaGX, works good? |
| 04:07.01 | nefsation | im having some trouble after upgrading my home server to buster |
| 04:07.25 | nefsation | ill be really happy if someone points me in the right direction |
| 04:07.35 | jim | nefsation, ok, tell us (in some detail) what the trouble is |
| 04:07.52 | nefsation | 0k |
| 04:08.19 | nefsation | i had owncloud running very well until updated the server |
| 04:08.33 | jim | "some trouble", so multiple issues? |
| 04:08.44 | nefsation | now occ tells me that php7.3 isnt supported for this usage |
| 04:09.12 | nefsation | i tried many ways to downgrade all php packages but no luck |
| 04:09.32 | nefsation | @jim yeah, kind of |
| 04:09.40 | jim | nefsation, just to make sure... you're not coding in php... are you? |
| 04:09.48 | nefsation | nope |
| 04:10.02 | nefsation | just running deluge web and owncloud |
| 04:10.14 | jim | ok, so you just want the thing to work, no matter which php is installed |
| 04:10.20 | nefsation | yeah |
| 04:10.23 | ZaZaGX | yeah, it works better than Ubuntu 19.04 |
| 04:10.33 | ZaZaGX | its more faster and stable |
| 04:11.08 | jim | ZaZaGX, I happened to notice it runs faster, after installing both |
| 04:11.09 | nefsation | but the thing is, cant install any other version correctly but 7.3 |
| 04:12.04 | nefsation | i chose fedora for my laptop, cinnamon desktop works great |
| 04:12.10 | jim | hmm. what I'm wondering is why it's claiming that 7.3 is not supported "for this usage" |
| 04:12.40 | nefsation | owncloud doesnt support any php version above 7.2 |
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| 04:13.19 | jim | ohh, it's owncloud that doesn't support 7.3? |
| 04:13.26 | nefsation | ill be afk for a minute, brb |
| 04:13.28 | nefsation | yeah |
| 04:13.48 | nefsation | cant downgrade packages |
| 04:14.04 | jim | ok... do you have a backup? |
| 04:14.05 | ZaZaGX | jim, oh yeah. well, i have used Ubuntu for years now. it seems like Debian did a good job with buster release |
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| 04:15.51 | nefsation | i can make one for the db, thats the unwanted option |
| 04:16.45 | jim | nefsation, so you see that's a conflict... debian won't let you downgrade while owncloud won't let you upgrade... I'd say that (while debian has many positive attributes) debian is presently not a good choice for this particular application |
| 04:18.06 | jim | it's unfortunate that you don't have a complete filesystem backup, maybe if you did, you could restore from it |
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| 04:19.35 | jim | nefsation, or rather, it's either debian that's not appropriate, or it's owncloud that's not appropriate... your choice :) |
| 04:20.08 | nefsation_ | well |
| 04:20.19 | nefsation_ | everything went well untill update |
| 04:20.47 | nefsation_ | so in my opinion its me the one conflicting with themself |
| 04:21.06 | jim | I'll also note in passing that php has a history of not being developed in a stable way... also a history of invalidating millions of lines of code on a periodic basis |
| 04:21.28 | nefsation_ | so im not the first |
| 04:21.33 | nefsation_ | hahaha |
| 04:21.37 | jim | no, of course not |
| 04:23.06 | nefsation_ | ill laugh because irony |
| 04:23.33 | jim | (in comparison, other languages are not so unstable, including in their development... in particular an old language, TCL, has developers that are extremely careful to not invalidate any code |
| 04:23.51 | nefsation_ | mmmm |
| 04:24.03 | jim | and they've been very successful at it. so php and tgheir developers don't have an excuse for this |
| 04:24.17 | nefsation_ | is there any other option? like other private cloud solution |
| 04:24.17 | Deihmos | is there a way to get the network connection speed on a headless debian server? |
| 04:24.43 | Deihmos | on windows i can see if i cam connected 100 Mbps or 1Gbps. Is there a way to see it on debian? |
| 04:24.50 | Deihmos | couldn't find anything online |
| 04:25.04 | jim | I guess you'd have to measure the speed of a known-size file transfer? |
| 04:25.12 | nefsation_ | <Deihmos> you mean negotiated bit rate? |
| 04:26.09 | nefsation_ | use ethtool |
| 04:26.29 | BazookaTooth | Deihmos: iftop, slurm, darkstat, plenty of others i am forgetting |
| 04:27.19 | BazookaTooth | the actuall connection would be something else. hence nefsation_'s question |
| 04:27.22 | nefsation_ | <BazookaTooth> ntop iftop and others, but ethtool does exactly that |
| 04:27.32 | Deihmos | ok. I guess there isn't anything that is already built in |
| 04:28.02 | BazookaTooth | nefsation_: you had already mentioned it tho :) |
| 04:28.02 | nefsation_ | youre an apt command away from getting that package |
| 04:28.22 | rant | <nefsation_> doing this will lead people to think you are quoting them |
| 04:28.39 | nefsation_ | rant sorry |
| 04:28.51 | nefsation_ | im not used to irc yet |
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| 04:29.13 | rant | nefsation_: no worries, just letting you know.. highlighting is best done with the nick at the beginning of the line without the < and with a single delimiter like a , or : |
| 04:29.40 | BazookaTooth | well arch had some clown using colors earlier so.. no biggie |
| 04:29.46 | nefsation_ | rant : thanks for the advice |
| 04:29.46 | jim | nefsation_, like this <---- |
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| 04:30.02 | jim | with a comma or a colon |
| 04:30.25 | nefsation_ | jim, its allways a pleasure to learn |
| 04:30.28 | BazookaTooth | gotta bring back that efnet mirc look |
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| 04:30.46 | rant | nefsation_: most clients do it automatically with tab completion, I just type ne and press tab and it does it automatically for me |
| 04:31.23 | nefsation_ | im using hexchat for the first time in a long time |
| 04:31.32 | BazookaTooth | :) |
| 04:32.33 | nefsation_ | well, anyone knows a good way to backup files from db? mysql |
| 04:32.49 | rant | you should export them first |
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| 04:33.11 | Deihmos | anyone did a backup using acronis? |
| 04:33.38 | Deihmos | i normally use clonezilla but not being able to mount an image isn't good |
| 04:33.41 | rant | I'm no SQL/DB expert but I do know that you should always export the files first as I've worked on situations where people just copied the files then tried using them on a different db version and it didnt work |
| 04:33.57 | rant | exporting makes files capable of being properly imported on other db versions |
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| 04:34.45 | rant | ,popcon acronis |
| 04:34.46 | judd | No package named 'acronis' was found. |
| 04:35.14 | Deihmos | acronis true image. it can be used from bood to create an image |
| 04:37.48 | rant | Deihmos: yeah, not seeing anything like that in debian.. you could make this relevant by asking something like "How can I foo in Debian so I can bar and baz?" |
| 04:37.50 | nefsation_ | rant, 0k ill read about it. Hence im the only admin here i dont think it would be a problem. less than 1gb or so |
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| 04:39.03 | rant | nefsation_: yeah well I'm strongly advising this.. there many other reasons I cant accurately articulate why you want to export the DB and import it back rather than just backup the files |
| 04:39.23 | nefsation_ | well |
| 04:39.31 | rant | I can't because I'm not that knowledgeable about DB as I avoid them whenever possible, I prefer to use sqlite as its simpler :P |
| 04:39.35 | nefsation_ | actually i just want the files back |
| 04:40.02 | nefsation_ | saw phpmyadmin for that purpose |
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| 04:40.32 | rant | heh, I personally would never see adding PHP into an equation as a simplification :P |
| 04:41.09 | nefsation_ | i think i dont have that option at this time |
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| 04:45.02 | kreyren | which package provides XDG_RUNTIME_DIR on debian? |
| 04:46.55 | nefsation_ | just for the record. on debian 10, adminer is the way to backup mysql db. |
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| 04:48.55 | jim | nefsation_, some dbs have a command that reads everything in the database and produces an sql listing, which when run on an empty database, loads the database with the earlier content |
| 04:49.00 | kreyren | nwm it's debian-next issue with openrc |
| 04:49.03 | alkisg | kreyren: systemd-logind? |
| 04:49.26 | kreyren | alkisg, nah systemd-pam apparently based on https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/382789/qstandardpaths-xdg-runtime-dir-not-set-defaulting-to-tmp-runtime-root-when |
| 04:49.31 | nefsation_ | jim, ill look into it |
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| 04:51.15 | alkisg | kreyren: yeah, systemd-pam is part of systemd-logind |
| 04:51.20 | jim | nefsation_, take a look at this: https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/mysqldump-sql-format.html |
| 04:51.40 | kreyren | alkisg, i see what is the alternative for openrc for this? |
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| 04:51.42 | kreyren | Consolekit2 ? |
| 04:52.18 | alkisg | kreyren: no idea, I'm not using openrc and I'm actually depending on systemd on all the packages I'm writing from now on... |
| 04:52.33 | kreyren | ehw |
| 04:52.50 | alkisg | Having to care about 1000+ ways to do one things, makes programmers unable to do simple tasks without spending months |
| 04:53.42 | kreyren | doubt |
| 04:54.05 | kreyren | openrc makes it usually way easier depending on the usecase :p |
| 04:54.07 | alkisg | See how much time you'll need to make it work in your pc; then multiply 100 times, you'll see my point :) |
| 04:54.25 | alkisg | Then also try to care about other init systems too |
| 04:54.44 | kreyren | it works pretty might out of the box on gentoo and exherbo.. it's complicated on debian since it's using systemd partially |
| 04:54.58 | alkisg | That's because gentoo developers did spend those months |
| 04:55.03 | kreyren | otherwise you just make the runscript and leave it be xD no need to care about other 100 stuff |
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| 04:55.27 | kreyren | alkisg, gentoo developers are not responsible for packaging you build it from source |
| 04:55.29 | alkisg | It's not just one runscript. How about information like "who is logged in currently? is it safe to unmount x user's sshfs home dir?" |
| 04:56.10 | alkisg | Anyways, it would take time to convince you that supporting various init systems takes time :) |
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| 04:56.17 | alkisg | So I won't attempt it :) |
| 04:56.29 | nefsation_ | i was afk for a sec and you all are discussing about systemd and openrc? |
| 04:56.32 | nefsation_ | nice |
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| 05:00.07 | kreyren | alkisg, > "who is logged in currently? < -> afaik you have session manager for that, `is it safe to unmount x user's sshfs home dir?"` - just use umount lol? |
| 05:00.53 | alkisg | kreyren: you're missing the point, I mean "systemd has APIs that some programs need and may decide to depend on them"; and I'll stop at that. |
| 05:01.06 | kreyren | w/e |
| 05:01.33 | kreyren | just make quality code and keep it open-source and i'm gut |
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| 05:14.44 | jim | kreyren, if you ever feel like you'd like a detailed overview on systemd, man systemd happens to be a good read (I was surprised by this) |
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| 05:18.40 | ZaZaGX | hmm, not sure if this debian 10 laptop better life is better than Ubuntu 19.04.. the debian 10 seems to drain more power |
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| 05:20.01 | rant | yes well, some would say Ubuntu is an ancient african word for "can't install/configure debian" :P |
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| 05:20.40 | DerL | hey rant |
| 05:21.40 | ZaZaGX | i thought Ubuntu installs more easier lol |
| 05:23.07 | DerL | ZaZaGX: supposed to be |
| 05:23.09 | DerL | not always |
| 05:23.44 | ZaZaGX | yeah, sometimes it might not work |
| 05:24.24 | DerL | ZaZaGX: try installing ubuntu beaver on a 15 yr old printer |
| 05:25.13 | DerL | debian has better chance of working- and that'd be a strech ;) |
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| 05:25.21 | DerL | nudges |
| 05:25.31 | ZaZaGX | hmm, |
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| 05:27.50 | kreyren | jim, eh? |
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| 05:36.41 | kreyren | ,v consolekit2 |
| 05:36.42 | judd | No package named 'consolekit2' was found in amd64. |
| 05:36.47 | kreyren | hug! |
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| 05:55.21 | kreyren | How do you add `Release.gpg` i forget |
| 05:55.25 | kreyren | ;-; |
| 05:56.55 | kreyren | W: GPG error: http://deb.devuan.org/devuan testing InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 94532124541922FB |
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| 06:07.00 | kreyren | dpkg: ping |
| 06:07.00 | dpkg | Yes, kreyren you are either online or you are not... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326 |
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| 06:11.39 | nefsation__ | ping |
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| 06:17.38 | enri | ola amigos |
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| 06:25.52 | kreyren | ola |
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| 06:29.14 | joepublic | ola a todos. |
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| 06:45.26 | jim | kreyren, not sure, but people might feel devuan is different from debian, in ways they're not aware of, so answers they might give would be guesses (and so not helpful to you) |
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| 06:47.31 | jim | is not even sure how similar they are (or if they're exactly the same, differing only in which sets of packages are installed from debian's archive) |
| 06:47.59 | alkisg | guesses they modify popular packages that don't have sysvinit units, to manually include them |
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| 06:49.58 | alkisg | Can anyone manage mksquashfs -regex to exclude things under ^/proc/.*$ ? This works, but it also excludes /other/dir/proc/.* ... |
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| 06:50.48 | rant | !br |
| 06:50.48 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 06:53.05 | rant | devaun is different from debian in ways us Americans are all too aware of.. it offers init freedom very much the same way the US offers freedom.. you are free to use any init system you want, except systemd :P |
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| 06:56.35 | luna | Signed up as #1 for the Debian Day in Stockholm https://www.goto10.se/evenemang/debian-day-2019-linux-firar-26-ar/ |
| 06:57.13 | EoflaOE | luna: Nice |
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| 07:04.53 | nefsation__ | so |
| 07:05.08 | nefsation__ | idk if its interesting to you |
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| 07:05.37 | nefsation__ | but my owncloud files werent encrypted |
| 07:06.03 | nefsation__ | im copying files to another folder now |
| 07:06.18 | nefsation__ | anyone has used seafile? |
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| 07:17.14 | rant | ,popcon seafile-daemon |
| 07:17.15 | judd | Popcon data for seafile-daemon: inst: 521, vote: 237, old: 221, recent: 63, nofiles: 0 |
| 07:17.30 | rant | ,popcon seafile-cli |
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| 07:17.31 | judd | Popcon data for seafile-cli: inst: 177, vote: 49, old: 107, recent: 21, nofiles: 0 |
| 07:17.35 | rant | ,popcon seafile-gui |
| 07:17.36 | judd | Popcon data for seafile-gui: inst: 453, vote: 207, old: 189, recent: 57, nofiles: 0 |
| 07:18.02 | rant | nefsation__: yes, apparently folk have used it |
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| 07:19.22 | nefsation__ | folk, can you tell me about your experience? im looking for an owncloud replacement |
| 07:19.54 | nefsation__ | (im not going to reinstall that server no matter what) |
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| 07:20.42 | rant | https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/86d03r/owncloud_or_seafile_or/ |
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| 07:21.01 | rant | or other such things.. usage polls and testimonials aren't really within the scope of this channel |
| 07:21.46 | rant | you can either google and read reviews and comparisons online, or perhaps go to a channel specific to such software and ask questions about it |
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| 07:23.05 | gggg | Hi there libcurl4 is causing an issue |
| 07:23.15 | gggg | virtualbox-5.2 : Depends: libcurl3 (>= 7.16.2) but it is not installable |
| 07:23.15 | gggg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:25.49 | rant | gggg: you either need to get a package that works, or use equivs to make a metapackage that satisfies the dependency |
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| 07:26.22 | rant | ,v virtualbox |
| 07:26.23 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 6.0.10-dfsg-2 |
| 07:26.49 | gggg | buster is my version |
| 07:27.02 | rant | and where did you get the package you are trying to install? |
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| 07:27.13 | gggg | https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Debian_10_.22Buster.22 |
| 07:27.41 | gggg | I figured I could try the stretch package |
| 07:27.52 | gggg | Is virt-manager the same as virtualbox? |
| 07:28.13 | rant | no |
| 07:28.16 | rant | ,i virt-manager |
| 07:28.17 | judd | Package virt-manager (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: desktop application for managing virtual machines. Version: 1:2.0.0-3; Size: 884.9k; Installed: 6770k; Homepage: http://virt-manager.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/virt-manager |
| 07:28.25 | rant | ,depends virt-manager |
| 07:28.26 | judd | Package virt-manager in buster/amd64 -- depends: dconf-gsettings-backend | gsettings-backend, python3:any, python3-gi, python3-gi-cairo, python3-dbus, python-requests, librsvg2-common, python3-libvirt (>= 0.7.1), gir1.2-libvirt-glib-1.0, gir1.2-gtk-vnc-2.0, gir1.2-gtk-3.0 (>= 3.10), gir1.2-vte-2.91, gir1.2-libosinfo-1.0, virtinst (>= 1:2.0.0-3). |
| 07:28.57 | gggg | thanks |
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| 07:29.19 | rant | gggg: you can use the upstream package |
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| 07:29.50 | gggg | of virt-manager? |
| 07:29.52 | rant | gggg: https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/6.0.10/virtualbox-6.0_6.0.10-132072~Ubuntu~bionic_amd64.deb |
| 07:30.00 | gggg | I've been told that a few times is that safe? |
| 07:30.09 | gggg | Mixing distros |
| 07:30.13 | gggg | -Mixing packages |
| 07:30.20 | alkisg | Ouch, no virtualbox in buster? Meh |
| 07:30.42 | rant | virtualbox hasn't been included in debian in quite awhile, but has been available as a backport |
| 07:31.22 | rant | dpkg, why isn't virtualbox in buster? |
| 07:31.23 | dpkg | rant: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 07:31.42 | gggg | lol |
| 07:31.52 | rant | its a virtualbox, not a breadbox you silly bot |
| 07:32.18 | rant | dpkg, why isn't virtualbox in testing |
| 07:32.18 | dpkg | virtualbox is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/virtualbox |
| 07:33.59 | gggg | "I would like to see it in Debian, but since people working for Oracle might risk to get punished for not following the Oracle policy, I think we are not sure we can continue giving a CVE free package for Stable Releases." |
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| 07:34.39 | gggg | 2015 lol |
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| 07:35.04 | nefsation__ | thank you all for the support |
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| 07:35.18 | nefsation__ | im going to bed now |
| 07:35.21 | gggg | seems like virtualbox is a goner for good |
| 07:35.23 | rant | iirc its due to the fact that the upstream only supports the current version |
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| 07:35.33 | rant | I just use the upstream packages |
| 07:35.37 | nefsation__ | maybe tomorrow ill let you know how it went |
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| 07:37.52 | kreyren | jim, meh seems that devuan is not that fast on updates so i'm seting up franken |
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| 07:52.01 | ZaZaGX | hi |
| 07:52.08 | jim | hi |
| 07:52.30 | ZaZaGX | whoa, your a staff member |
| 07:52.47 | jim | kreyren, how do you mean franken? |
| 07:53.10 | jim | ZaZaGX, not freenode, ##linux staff |
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| 07:53.22 | ZaZaGX | oh ok |
| 07:54.46 | jim | ZaZaGX, what's new? everything working/ |
| 07:54.49 | jim | ? |
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| 07:56.27 | kreyren | jim, using debian + devuan repos, because debian is incompetent for systemd-less system |
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| 07:56.46 | alkisg | If it was easy to do it with debian, devuan wouldn't exist :) |
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| 08:02.00 | ZaZaGX | oh yeah |
| 08:02.08 | ZaZaGX | just gotta complain about the battery life |
| 08:02.34 | ZaZaGX | it seems to drain more compared to Ubuntu 19.04. but the Debian 10 does seem more smoother and faster |
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| 08:07.25 | ZaZaGX | Downer, how is the mullvad vpn working for you? |
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| 08:13.04 | ZaZaGX | hi Makaveli7 |
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| 08:16.17 | jim | ZaZaGX, could it be that the debian is running more stuff in the background? |
| 08:17.40 | ZaZaGX | not sure |
| 08:18.00 | ZaZaGX | i believe the newer Ubuntu 19.04 is using a more updated Kernel |
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| 08:18.13 | ZaZaGX | thats why it saves more battery |
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| 08:20.21 | k_sze | Has anybody had problems building Python 3.7.6 with optimizations under Debian Buster? |
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| 08:24.10 | Makaveli7 | hello ZaZaGX |
| 08:24.32 | ZaZaGX | i heard good things about Mallvad vpn, how is it? |
| 08:25.06 | Makaveli7 | no complaints so far. it's fast, it has a kill switch and netflix works |
| 08:25.16 | Makaveli7 | I'm using it via wireguard |
| 08:25.27 | BCMM | k_sze: what do you mean? like, compiling the interpreter with different cflags? |
| 08:25.48 | k_sze | BCMM, different options passed to the `configure` script. |
| 08:26.50 | k_sze | Python's `configure` script has a `--with-optimizations` option that will perform profile-guided optimizations during the build. |
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| 08:27.34 | ZaZaGX | i just googled wireguard. still not sure what it is |
| 08:27.37 | EoflaOE | Makaveli7: Is Mallvad vpn paid or free |
| 08:28.30 | Makaveli7 | it's paid |
| 08:28.43 | colo-work | "a kill switch"? |
| 08:28.52 | k_sze | BCMM: I tried that on Raspbian Buster (which is largely Debian Buster for armv7, for the Raspberry Pi series of single board computers): https://bugs.python.org/issue37595 |
| 08:28.54 | EoflaOE | Makaveli7: OK. A subscription? |
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| 08:29.31 | ZaZaGX | i use ProtonVPN. it offers free vpn but the speed is basic |
| 08:29.42 | ZaZaGX | i decided to pay for it |
| 08:29.56 | BCMM | k_sze: how did you do that? did you just download python sources from upstream, or did you start by modifying debian's source package? |
| 08:29.59 | Makaveli7 | yes you can get subscription |
| 08:30.06 | EoflaOE | ZaZaGX: Nice. I use that, but not able to pay. It delivered enough speed. |
| 08:30.09 | BCMM | (or raspbian's source package, if that's different in any way) |
| 08:30.10 | k_sze | python sources from upstream |
| 08:30.11 | Makaveli7 | I got it for a month to try |
| 08:30.18 | EoflaOE | Makaveli7: Nice. |
| 08:30.21 | k_sze | directly from python.org |
| 08:30.30 | BCMM | k_sze: any particular reason not to try using your distro's source package? |
| 08:30.56 | BCMM | k_sze: the objective is to change configure options, not to get a newer version, right? |
| 08:30.57 | ZaZaGX | i got the bundle. Protonmail and ProntonVPN. instead of paying 15 bucks. it cost 12 bucks a month |
| 08:31.46 | Makaveli7 | that's nice. I heard about protonvpn |
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| 08:33.24 | BCMM | k_sze: that way, if there's some weird tweak needed to make it build on debian, you can get a copy that's already had that done |
| 08:33.25 | ZaZaGX | so wireguard has stronger security? |
| 08:34.58 | BCMM | ZaZaGX: wireguard is relatively new, so is considered to be a bit less audited than some other solutions. however, the protocol is also much simpler than some other vpns, and it uses existing encryption standards |
| 08:35.06 | Makaveli7 | I don't think it's about security. it's just faster and has lesser code than openvpn |
| 08:35.11 | BCMM | so there's kind of not a lot of places that a security bug could hide |
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| 08:35.33 | ZaZaGX | oh ic |
| 08:36.22 | k_sze | BCMM: it's for both, but mostly for the configure options: the deb package in Raspbian is built without optimizations. |
| 08:36.42 | k_sze | Which kinda sucks, as the Raspberry Pi itself is already not terribly fast. |
| 08:36.45 | BCMM | k_sze: have you built anything from a debian source package before? |
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| 08:37.16 | k_sze | No, never tried. |
| 08:37.44 | k_sze | You mean I should try building with Debian's source instead of Python.org's source? |
| 08:38.10 | ZaZaGX | man, i'm starting to think i pay more for my VPN |
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| 08:38.43 | rant | ZaZaGX: I am not even following the convo but that sounds ridiculous |
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| 08:39.08 | rant | you would know whether or not you were paying more for something, its not something you'd need to start to think |