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| 00:40.25 | doughy | is it possible to install debian with a sd card? |
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| 00:50.58 | jim | probably... sdcards tend to fail a lot faster than regular hds or ssds |
| 00:51.32 | doughy | I want to install to the harddrive using an sd card instead of a usb drive or cd/dvd |
| 00:52.03 | doughy | I might have to do it through network install. I'm trying to figure out the best way to do this |
| 00:52.11 | doughy | pxe install that is |
| 00:52.21 | jim | you mean you want to use the sd card as install media? |
| 00:52.27 | doughy | exactly |
| 00:52.44 | doughy | I've done it on a beaglebone but this is an actual laptop |
| 00:52.45 | jim | can you get a usb card reader? |
| 00:53.03 | doughy | I have 2 usb drives and neither of them are working right |
| 00:53.13 | themill | it would largely depend on whether the hardware can even boot of the sd card |
| 00:53.34 | doughy | I thought of that and looked into the bios and I don't think it's supported |
| 00:54.20 | jim | doughy, is the issue really "what can I use as installer media"? |
| 00:54.38 | doughy | well I don't have a drive on my laptop |
| 00:54.41 | doughy | usb drives aren't working |
| 00:54.51 | doughy | and there's pxe which I've never done but might be reduced to using |
| 00:55.16 | jim | will the laptop do pxe? |
| 00:55.21 | doughy | yes |
| 00:55.28 | doughy | I'm reading a page on the debian wiki now |
| 00:55.47 | jim | ok, so that's one possibility. do you have another machine to put the pxe server stuff on? |
| 00:55.55 | doughy | yes |
| 00:56.02 | dvs | !rube goldberg install |
| 00:56.02 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian sarge with a 4.10 kernel on my microwave, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 00:56.09 | doughy | another debian PC |
| 00:56.40 | jim | what a coincidence! I want to install debian on my bathtub! |
| 00:57.06 | jim | it's having an affair with my microwave |
| 00:57.10 | annadane | just maybe don't install it via toaster |
| 00:57.39 | jim | seriously... |
| 00:58.03 | jim | doughy, you say your laptop does not have storage at all? |
| 00:58.12 | doughy | no, it's got a harddrive |
| 00:58.18 | jim | ok |
| 00:58.35 | jim | what else does it have? cdrom drive? |
| 00:58.37 | doughy | I think I'm reduced to pxe install. this should be an adventure. Ive never done this before |
| 00:58.43 | doughy | just a usb port |
| 00:58.49 | doughy | and sd card reader |
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| 00:59.17 | jim | ok, so the sdcard is directly inserted into the laptop? |
| 00:59.21 | doughy | yes |
| 00:59.55 | jim | ok, and can it boot from the usb if you ended up having to do that? |
| 01:00.24 | doughy | that's the problem. I have 3 thumb drives and none of them will allow an iso |
| 01:00.47 | dvs | doughy, what do you mean "won't allow" |
| 01:00.47 | doughy | I've even tried 3 different programs to burn the iso on the thumb drive |
| 01:00.52 | jim | doughy, which isos did you try? |
| 01:01.06 | doughy | I go to burn the iso on a thumb drive and it will crash |
| 01:01.32 | dvs | doughy, you're not supposed to "burn" the image, just copy it. |
| 01:01.45 | doughy | the program will give me an error. 3 of them have done that. I do have one thumb drive that I keep stuff on so maybe I'll just copy that info, use the thumbdrive and put it back on after the install |
| 01:01.54 | doughy | well, copy then. |
| 01:01.55 | jim | doughy, which isos did you try? |
| 01:01.59 | doughy | debian 10 |
| 01:02.09 | dvs | doughy, with what program(s)? |
| 01:02.11 | jim | do you have the exact filename/ |
| 01:02.13 | jim | ? |
| 01:02.22 | doughy | yes |
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| 01:02.31 | doughy | the netinstall iso from debian's ftp site |
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| 01:03.02 | doughy | I guess I'll just format this last thumb drive but if it doesn't work I might go postal |
| 01:03.06 | jim | and what program did you use to write them onto the usb? |
| 01:03.17 | doughy | rufus was the one I used first. it's always worked in the past |
| 01:03.23 | dvs | doughy, you don't need to format the drive to put the image on it. |
| 01:03.48 | doughy | then then isotousb |
| 01:04.03 | doughy | it formats automatically when you run the program |
| 01:04.14 | dvs | which is the problem |
| 01:04.22 | dvs | it just needs a straight copy |
| 01:04.51 | jim | you don't want something that "formats" or changes the iso, just writes it in a similar way as dd or cat |
| 01:05.05 | doughy | you can choose dd on rufus |
| 01:05.14 | doughy | but I just do a regular copy as it's always worked before |
| 01:05.16 | jim | rufus should do that |
| 01:05.23 | doughy | it has both options |
| 01:05.27 | doughy | I"ll try dd |
| 01:05.35 | themill | unfortunately it's default mode is "break the image" |
| 01:07.20 | doughy | it's writing with dd |
| 01:07.32 | doughy | I should have just tried that after the default way |
| 01:07.34 | dvs | doughy, what the EXACT command you used? |
| 01:07.42 | doughy | no command, it's a gui |
| 01:07.49 | doughy | check out rufus.ie |
| 01:07.57 | doughy | http://rufus.ie |
| 01:08.01 | dvs | !rufus |
| 01:08.01 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 01:08.44 | jim | so you need to set rufus to this 'dd' mode every time you start it? |
| 01:08.53 | doughy | evidently |
| 01:08.57 | themill | jim: last time I looked at it, yes |
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| 01:09.06 | doughy | I've used the regular way several months ago and never had a problem with it |
| 01:09.41 | jim | doughy, what did you write to the usb several months ago? |
| 01:10.06 | doughy | freebsd |
| 01:10.13 | doughy | and I've used it for debian as well |
| 01:11.32 | jim | ok, that's different. debian netinstall images will not work if you try to write them with something like unetbootin, which tries to make an image bootable... the problem there is, the image is already bootable, and you're just adding crap to it by doing that |
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| 01:12.34 | jim | do you have any reason to believe your usb sticks are bad hardware-wise? |
| 01:12.36 | doughy | I'll keep that in mind |
| 01:12.52 | doughy | no |
| 01:13.10 | jim | ok, then it's a fair chance they're still good |
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| 01:15.44 | jim | doughy, anyway, good luck... stick around, maybe you'll have questions during the install process |
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| 01:16.50 | doughy | thanks jim |
| 01:20.35 | jim | doughy, curious, how long after booting the image before, would it crash? |
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| 02:36.08 | crestfallen | hi I upgraded last night to buster. it was working fine last night after a reboot. today I went to login and get this prompt asking for debian login. I have two users, both me. my main user is my name, but it errors "login incorrect" . how to bypass this to the normal login ? thanks |
| 02:37.39 | crestfallen | 'Debian GNU/Linux 10 Debian tty1 ' is the readout before the prompt for ' debian login ' |
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| 02:42.27 | crestfallen | so this login is one I don't know or remember.. |
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| 02:45.32 | klys | crestfallen, somewhere in there you should have set a root password. do you remember that? |
| 02:46.16 | klys | well, it should be the same as before your upgrade |
| 02:46.38 | klys | if you need to make account changes, you would do them as root. |
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| 02:50.05 | crestfallen | klys thanks well I don't know it's asking for 'Debian login' And I type my full name with a space as usual, and my root password. it returns login incorrect |
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| 02:50.42 | klys | crestfallen, login requires a username and that can't have a space in it. |
| 02:51.07 | crestfallen | thanks that's a good start.. |
| 02:52.55 | klys | crestfallen, root logins are made with the "root" username. |
| 02:53.09 | crestfallen | klys I think I signed in .. now I have a prompt john@debian:^$ |
| 02:53.25 | klys | cool. can you do this: $ su - |
| 02:54.00 | crestfallen | 'su - ' without the additional $ right? |
| 02:54.04 | klys | yes |
| 02:54.20 | crestfallen | yeah its asking for another password |
| 02:54.32 | klys | that would be your root password |
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| 02:55.14 | klys | and if you can't do that, perhaps you can do $ sudo su |
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| 02:55.54 | klys | and if you can do neither of those, attention may be required. |
| 02:56.36 | crestfallen | actually I got into root, guessing old passwords! |
| 02:56.51 | crestfallen | so my prompt is now ... |
| 02:56.56 | klys | okay, make sure you won't forget. good luck! |
| 02:57.13 | klys | also if you ever need to sign out of a shell, you can type ctrl-D |
| 02:57.34 | crestfallen | but how to get to the gnome login? sorry not sure klys |
| 02:57.52 | klys | if you want to go to the X graphical interface, type startx |
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| 02:58.48 | crestfallen | dang. command not found. my prompt is john@debian:~# |
| 02:58.52 | crestfallen | klys, |
| 02:58.58 | klys | crestfallen, it seems you should install the package gdm3 for the gnome login. |
| 02:59.15 | crestfallen | one moment please |
| 02:59.19 | klys | startx is in the xinit package, I believe. |
| 03:00.25 | crestfallen | installing... |
| 03:00.45 | crestfallen | I don't understand why this didn't come with the upgrade |
| 03:01.03 | Drax1e\X | How do i check in my console how is logged in to my FTP or even better if i can do it in X? |
| 03:01.22 | klys | crestfallen, perhaps you had a conflicts situation where some packages were forcibly uninstalled. you can see in /var/log/apt/ |
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| 03:01.48 | crestfallen | its loading all of this cinnamon stuff |
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| 03:02.06 | klys | crestfallen, did you have cinnamon before? gnome? |
| 03:02.36 | crestfallen | no gnome |
| 03:02.54 | klys | kde? xfce? lxde? |
| 03:03.01 | crestfallen | Setting up gnome-shell ... presently |
| 03:03.26 | crestfallen | er, I installed debian about 6 years ago initially |
| 03:03.42 | klys | I mean, which is your preferred desktop? |
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| 03:04.06 | crestfallen | ok klys, I'm at gnome signin . one moment please. preferred is gnome... |
| 03:04.13 | klys | okay |
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| 03:05.24 | crestfallen | klys dang everything looks different. it's a default environment I think |
| 03:05.57 | klys | crestfallen, that's interesting. |
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| 03:09.11 | crestfallen | klys, I'm in cinnamon please help me retrieve gnome |
| 03:09.39 | klys | crestfallen, I'll find a package... http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 03:13.40 | klys | crestfallen, you have buster sources, right? apt-get install gnome |
| 03:14.03 | Drax1e\X | How do i check in my console how is logged in to my FTP or even better if i can do it in X? |
| 03:14.06 | klys | if your sources are not up to date, you may need to do this first: apt-get update |
| 03:14.13 | klys | https://packages.debian.org/buster/gnome |
| 03:14.24 | klys | that's version 3. |
| 03:14.48 | Drax1e\X | i mean who is logged in. |
| 03:15.04 | crestfallen | yeah thanks klys one moment |
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| 03:16.19 | SerajewelKS | Drax1e\X: the FTP server's log file should have a record of all authentication attempts |
| 03:17.12 | crestfallen | weird klys my new system was working perfectly last night with all my old configurations. |
| 03:17.35 | crestfallen | apt-get install gnome returns errors: dependencies missing |
| 03:17.57 | klys | crestfallen, can yo udo dpkg --configure -a |
| 03:18.06 | klys | crestfallen, can you do: dpkg --configure -a |
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| 03:19.05 | Drax1e\X | SerajewelKS, where do i find the logfile?, not in root i tryed, "jed /root/.ftp+tag nothing |
| 03:19.21 | crestfallen | ok that seemed to run. no output |
| 03:19.22 | Drax1e\X | ftp+tab* |
| 03:20.28 | klys | crestfallen, next do # apt-get -f install |
| 03:21.23 | Drax1e\X | SerajewelKS, well can you priv me please, got to go. |
| 03:21.49 | crestfallen | ok that returned large output |
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| 03:22.37 | crestfallen | same error just now installing gnome |
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| 03:23.47 | crestfallen | its saying to run autoremove |
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| 03:24.17 | klys | crestfallen, do that and we'll come back and fetch gnome afterwards. |
| 03:24.30 | crestfallen | error ends with "this may be caused by held packages" btw |
| 03:24.33 | crestfallen | ok |
| 03:25.07 | klys | if it's offering to remove packages (will be REMOVED) do that, I mean |
| 03:25.17 | crestfallen | slow processing... |
| 03:26.12 | crestfallen | yeah its removing a bunch of python 3.7 stuff |
| 03:26.35 | klys | oh you did autoremove. probably not necessary, though might as well |
| 03:26.43 | crestfallen | ok working.. |
| 03:27.06 | klys | really what I want to see is an offer to remove packages and start over at some compromise. |
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| 03:27.20 | crestfallen | offer? how do you mean |
| 03:27.31 | klys | if we can get to that using apt or aptitude, it should arrive at such a compromise. |
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| 03:28.42 | crestfallen | ok autoremove completed |
| 03:29.02 | klys | if you don't have an offer yet, please paste the output of apt-get -f install at http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 03:29.12 | crestfallen | ok |
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| 03:33.07 | crestfallen | klys, http://paste.debian.net/1094155/ |
| 03:33.18 | crestfallen | not much to go on |
| 03:34.05 | klys | hmm it seems we may be ready to try gnome or some dependencies thereof. have you been reading https://packages.debian.org/buster/gnome ? |
| 03:35.10 | klys | if yo uget errors by typing apt-get install gnome; then you can paste them and we'll look them over |
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| 03:36.57 | crestfallen | Error: pkgProblemResolver:: resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
| 03:37.09 | crestfallen | that's what I get while do apt-get install gnome |
| 03:37.10 | klys | crestfallen, let's see the rest of that |
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| 03:38.43 | crestfallen | http://paste.debian.net/1094156/ |
| 03:38.49 | SerajewelKS | Drax1e\X: it depends on the FTP server |
| 03:39.12 | crestfallen | klys ^ |
| 03:39.55 | klys | crestfallen, now paste the output of `apt-get install gnome libgl1 libgl1:i386' |
| 03:40.47 | klys | crestfallen, now paste the output of `apt-get install gnome libgl1 libgl1:i386 libglx0 libglx0:i386' |
| 03:40.50 | klys | sry |
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| 03:44.50 | crestfallen | http://paste.debian.net/1094157/ |
| 03:44.56 | crestfallen | first one ^ |
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| 03:46.02 | klys | crestfallen, hold on while I generate a new command for you |
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| 03:47.31 | crestfallen | second one similar output |
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| 03:48.52 | crestfallen | the other thing is I'm doing all this from cinnamon. I guess that's fine |
| 03:49.09 | klys | yeah you can remove running packages, they stay in memory. |
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| 03:58.28 | crestfallen | standing by klys |
| 03:58.34 | klys | yes, working... |
| 03:58.45 | crestfallen | thanks kindly |
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| 04:03.12 | QR | hi. im curious if 'ufw allow ssh' enables firewall only port 22 tcp or any another port we replaced for 22 too? i just changed default port 22 to something else. |
| 04:03.12 | crestfallen | I don't understand how all my config settings worked fine after the initial reboot after the upgrade, and today I have this problem.. |
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| 04:04.28 | SerajewelKS | QR: i'd expect port 22. presumably the protocol names are sourced from /etc/services |
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| 04:05.01 | SerajewelKS | QR: see "getent services ssh" |
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| 04:08.00 | klys | crestfallen: https://paste.debian.net/1094160/ |
| 04:08.27 | klys | cretfallen: this command will likely generate a lot more output than the last one. please paste that output. |
| 04:08.32 | klys | crestfallen: this command will likely generate a lot more output than the last one. please paste that output. |
| 04:09.16 | crestfallen | ok please wait I rebooted the machine in question |
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| 04:15.29 | crestfallen | first one https://paste.debian.net/1094161/ |
| 04:17.37 | klys | crestfallen, second one? |
| 04:17.37 | QR | SerajewelKS: its output as 'ssh 22/tcp' |
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| 04:17.59 | crestfallen | http://paste.debian.net/1094162/ <second one |
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| 04:21.59 | klys | crestfallen, please plaste the output of the full command specified after dpkg --purge cinnamon |
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| 04:25.37 | crestfallen | klys done earlier: https://paste.debian.net/1094161/ |
| 04:25.55 | klys | crestfallen, I need you to run that 19-line command |
| 04:26.56 | klys | do you know, if you specify a \ at the end of a line, it carries to the next line? |
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| 04:31.11 | crestfallen | https://paste.debian.net/1094164/ sorry my error |
| 04:32.28 | klys | crestfallen, please edit the command to replace -only with -ugly and -plugins- with -plugin- |
| 04:32.29 | SerajewelKS | QR: right so 22 is the port it should use |
| 04:33.45 | klys | crestfallen, -plugins-ugly should remain, though. |
| 04:35.33 | klys | crestfallen, what I mean is, rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder and gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly |
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| 04:38.25 | crestfallen | there's also rhythmbox-plugins listed before rhythmbox-plugins-cdrecorder |
| 04:38.28 | crestfallen | klys |
| 04:38.33 | crestfallen | that as well? |
| 04:38.41 | klys | that is rhythmbox-plugins, correct. |
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| 04:38.50 | klys | no change needed there |
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| 04:39.23 | teddy101 | hey guys, do i need a pae kernel for nxbit protection to work (using i686 kernel non-pae) |
| 04:40.40 | teddy101 | dmesg says NX "(Execute Disable) protection missing in CPU!" |
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| 04:41.16 | crestfallen | klys please retype the substitutions I'm not sure I get it |
| 04:41.28 | klys | crestfallen, what I mean is, rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder and gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly |
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| 04:42.09 | klys | crestfallen, when it goes through, you should have a lot of output for me |
| 04:42.10 | QR | SerajewelKS: then 'ufw allow ssh' will not cover new ssh port? since i changed ssh port 22 to something else at /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 04:47.25 | crestfallen | hope this is not truncated: http://paste.debian.net/1094169/ |
| 04:47.29 | crestfallen | klys |
| 04:47.32 | klys | kk |
| 04:48.21 | klys | crestfallen, remove the - so it reads gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly |
| 04:53.07 | crestfallen | ok the output is different |
| 04:53.26 | klys | paste ia, all of it |
| 04:53.29 | klys | it* |
| 04:54.00 | crestfallen | working.. |
| 04:55.21 | crestfallen | https://paste.debian.net/1094171/ |
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| 04:56.41 | klys | crestfallen, add the following to the list and try again: libgl1-mesa-dri libglx-mesa0:i386 |
| 04:58.33 | crestfallen | looking good ... working ... |
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| 05:03.04 | crestfallen | I think gnome is installing klys .. thanks kindly! If I go to sign in and click on the gear, I should have gnome as an option, right? |
| 05:03.27 | klys | probably, yes |
| 05:04.03 | crestfallen | excellent thanks again for your patient help. will this command purge cinnamon as well? |
| 05:04.12 | klys | crestfallen, last step is to make sure you don't have more issues with `apt-get -f install' |
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| 05:04.50 | klys | crestfallen, earlier I thought you would have to do: dpkg --purge cinnamon cinnamon-core |
| 05:04.50 | crestfallen | ok working ... |
| 05:05.10 | crestfallen | I see. I'll give that a try then? |
| 05:05.24 | crestfallen | unpacking... |
| 05:05.26 | klys | to purge cinnamon, perhaps. unless you want it and it works anyways. |
| 05:06.14 | crestfallen | I upgraded to install a lousy crypto wallet! essentially use this machine to learn programming haskell |
| 05:07.09 | crestfallen | probably not something I should announce. just a diversion :) |
| 05:07.11 | klys | well you must have done something good because you had deps problems and I thought it was going to take a while. |
| 05:08.08 | crestfallen | but gnome worked last night after the upgrade and a reboot. why I wonder? |
| 05:08.25 | klys | all I know is today gnome was not installed. |
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| 05:09.08 | crestfallen | wow I really appreciate it you people are amazing. I am horrible with linux. I'm learning some cool programming in haskell and some math though |
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| 05:09.44 | klys | I just want to verify this is complete with `apt-get -f install'. |
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| 05:10.22 | crestfallen | ok doing that right now gnome is completed |
| 05:11.02 | crestfallen | I think that looks good. just asking for autoremove again |
| 05:11.10 | crestfallen | send it? |
| 05:11.12 | klys | oh well all right! |
| 05:11.16 | klys | naw, it's okay |
| 05:11.24 | crestfallen | thanks klys you RULE |
| 05:11.35 | klys | thank you too, you are very patient |
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| 05:12.25 | crestfallen | I ate a lot of peanut butter during our exchange |
| 05:12.31 | klys | haha |
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| 05:15.03 | Belua | hello |
| 05:15.12 | klys | hi |
| 05:15.21 | Belua | Finally! An answer |
| 05:15.28 | Belua | I was on some dead channels |
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| 05:15.40 | klys | what's up |
| 05:15.50 | Belua | just getting used to this irc thing |
| 05:15.52 | Belua | first time |
| 05:16.44 | klys | you can find more channels with "/msg alis query" or https://irc.netsplit.de/ |
| 05:17.09 | Belua | Thanks man |
| 05:17.13 | klys | sure |
| 05:17.17 | Belua | I'm trying to get into pentesting |
| 05:17.22 | Belua | I have a cs background |
| 05:17.30 | Belua | do you reckon IRC is the way to go? |
| 05:17.43 | klys | hmm I don't know the meaning of pentesting, really |
| 05:17.54 | Belua | hacking lol |
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| 05:18.11 | Psyndrome | Hi |
| 05:18.14 | Belua | I'm a developer but i'm intrigued by that stuff |
| 05:18.16 | Belua | hello |
| 05:19.17 | Psyndrome | I think i did something abnormal to my main SSD where the system is stored |
| 05:19.26 | klys | well there are hackers and crackers plenty in the world and if you want to hack I'd love to talk about it, perhaps not in a support channel like this, though. if you just want to crack, I hope you have a good day as well. |
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| 05:20.23 | klys | psyndrome, were you using hdparm ? |
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| 05:20.37 | Belua | I dont wanna be a blackhat, I just wanna learn for the heck of it |
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| 05:22.06 | Psyndrome | The thing is i was with other systems besides a small partition that was used for Debian |
| 05:22.50 | Psyndrome | I decided to delete the other systems to be able to use the disk only for Debian entirely |
| 05:23.03 | klys | did you resize it then? |
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| 05:23.29 | Psyndrome | I did resized it with a program called gparted |
| 05:23.32 | fl-int | ;) |
| 05:23.39 | Psyndrome | Deleted all other partitions and systems buut |
| 05:23.53 | klys | and now it doesn't boot to debian? |
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| 05:24.28 | Psyndrome | When i reached to the point to actually resize for Debian there was light blue part called extended and dark blue for ext4 |
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| 05:24.47 | Psyndrome | the only way i was able to take the space is when i resize the extended part to the maximum |
| 05:25.04 | Psyndrome | Now they are both together in a sense |
| 05:25.18 | Psyndrome | ext4+extended filled the hole disk |
| 05:25.32 | Psyndrome | the system looks to work fine after this |
| 05:25.42 | Psyndrome | I am in the system right now |
| 05:26.00 | Psyndrome | Im just not sure that was the right thing to do |
| 05:26.00 | klys | oh okay |
| 05:26.12 | klys | as long as it boots all right |
| 05:27.08 | crestfallen | test |
| 05:27.17 | klys | pong |
| 05:28.00 | crestfallen | all cozy in gnome land .. |
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| 05:30.02 | Psyndrome | I doubt in my actions because i watched a video of resizing and the person did switched off the orange part which is swap called and then he was somehow was able to extend only the ext4 part and did some small portion of the extended part |
| 05:30.31 | Psyndrome | For me ext4 and extended filled the hole disk together with swap remained as it was |
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| 05:30.53 | Psyndrome | So far the system is working but im bit worried |
| 05:31.14 | klys | psyndrome, are you booting off smaller partition towards the beginning of the disk? |
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| 05:33.05 | Psyndrome | Is there a way to send you a picture from gparted to see it? |
| 05:33.33 | klys | psyndrome, apt-get install scrot |
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| 05:34.27 | Psyndrome | but MATE has a screen capture |
| 05:34.39 | klys | okay you can use that |
| 05:35.07 | Psyndrome | so where i can send this? |
| 05:35.49 | klys | yes because primary partitions are not extended partitions, and vice-versa. |
| 05:35.59 | klys | oh I was scrolled back |
| 05:36.21 | klys | anyway, you can paste images at https://imgur.com/ I believe. |
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| 05:37.37 | Psyndrome | https://imgur.com/a/FhpYp3Q |
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| 05:38.39 | klys | psyndrome, is the yellow part unused? |
| 05:39.30 | Psyndrome | the yellow part indicates the content and the white is free |
| 05:40.50 | klys | I see |
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| 05:41.48 | klys | psyndrome, the only problem I can see with your setup is if you install the bootloader again and it's too far back in the disk to be reached by the boot sector. |
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| 05:45.15 | Psyndrome | I think its not visible where that thing took place but speaking of it when i boot the system theres a left over of the previous systems in the boot menu but the system does not exist anymore |
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| 05:50.38 | Psyndrome | i didnt clicked on it may be if i do it will register its missing and refresh itself |
| 05:52.09 | diogenes_ | Psyndrome, what left over? |
| 05:52.40 | darkmeson | do we happen to have anything in the repos that just setuid()s, execve()s, and goes away? I guess I never really thought about it, but sudo and su sit around nickle and diming me to death with 1.3M here and there for no reason |
| 05:53.37 | darkmeson | (never thought about it until every M started to matter on these <= 2G desktop replacement SoCs anyway) |
| 05:53.42 | Psyndrome | In the boot menu when i start the system it is showing me to chose the other systems but they dont exist anymore on the drive |
| 05:53.46 | Psyndrome | This is what i meant |
| 05:54.16 | Psyndrome | But anyway i was more worried about my resizing |
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| 05:54.46 | diogenes_ | Psyndrome, pastebin cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 05:55.43 | Psyndrome | you want me to put this in my terminal? |
| 05:56.01 | diogenes_ | first of all, try: sudo update-grub |
| 05:56.12 | diogenes_ | and notice if it lists those dead OS in the process |
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| 05:58.50 | Psyndrome | something happened but im not sure what exactly |
| 05:59.17 | diogenes_ | Psyndrome, copy what you get in terminal |
| 05:59.42 | diogenes_ | then go to https://paste.debian.net/ |
| 05:59.57 | diogenes_ | paste everything you get in terminal and click send |
| 06:00.05 | diogenes_ | then share the link. |
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| 06:01.07 | Psyndrome | https://paste.debian.net/1094183/ |
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| 06:02.22 | Psyndrome | Do you want me to send you an image from gparted of my resizing too? |
| 06:02.22 | diogenes_ | Psyndrome, it's clean, now it should not show up any dead OSes in your boot menu. |
| 06:02.43 | diogenes_ | what you want to resize? |
| 06:03.23 | Psyndrome | The things is i already did and i doubt its correct |
| 06:03.39 | diogenes_ | ok let's see. |
| 06:03.45 | Psyndrome | https://imgur.com/a/uxbinsZ |
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| 06:05.31 | Psyndrome | This is the result after i deleted all other systems |
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| 06:06.26 | diogenes_ | you've created an extended partition, i'd rather not, also you have almost no data there, all your data can fin into an useb pendrive, so if i were you, i'd have back up my data and do a clean re-installation. |
| 06:06.29 | Psyndrome | The disk was separated on three parts from which Debian took the smallest |
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| 06:06.47 | diogenes_ | also resizing can be tricky sometimes. |
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| 06:09.16 | Psyndrome | When i was resizing i was not able to resize the ext4 part and only when i resized the extended part to maximum i was allowed to resize ext4 together with |
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| 06:09.45 | Psyndrome | But later i saw a resizing tutorial of a person who first deleted swap and then he was able to move only the ext4 |
| 06:09.59 | Psyndrome | and asigned some small portion for extended |
| 06:11.06 | Psyndrome | To me they are both maximized |
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| 06:40.09 | Psyndrome | So as i can see i should use the extended part only for the swap space in this case |
| 06:40.13 | Psyndrome | Is that correct? |
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| 06:42.00 | diogenes_ | Psyndrome, you should use exteded partitions only when you dual boot with windows and you install in legacy bios mode (no uefi), that's the only reasonable way to se extended, in any other cases you just use simple partitions. |
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| 06:44.02 | Psyndrome | So the extended light blue shouldnt even exist? |
| 06:44.19 | Psyndrome | only ext4 and swap |
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| 06:46.20 | diogenes_ | Psyndrome, it exists because you had windows previously so mbr drive supports only 4 primary partitions, in your case those 4 were occupied by the windows primary partitions and there was no slot for the linux ones, that's why you had to use extended partition, but now, as you use only linux, it's no longer needed. |
| 06:47.30 | Psyndrome | well ill go and try to remove all of that and see what will happen |
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| 06:47.42 | Psyndrome | if i fail i will reinstall and thats it |
| 06:47.48 | Psyndrome | thanks a lot for the help |
| 06:47.56 | diogenes_ | yw |
| 06:48.15 | nonedead | Ok, I am having a "small" problem getting buster to install on my macbook air..... |
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| 06:50.19 | nonedead | Its a MacBookAir7,2 and it is failing every step of the way. Wireless, storage and trackpad are not working in the installer. Any pointers because the wiki has no entrys for this one |
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| 06:52.05 | nonedead | Should I attempt with jessie and see if it takes or am I missing something simple? |
| 06:53.10 | diogenes_ | nonedead, pointer never worked for me in the installer too, do it with keyboard. |
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| 06:54.30 | loeken | nonedead, maybe try a os like kali linux ( you can boot it from usb stick ) |
| 06:55.02 | nonedead | I plugged a usb mouse I had laying around and used that, I gave up on the wifi and tried installing from dvd media and it does not see the built in storage (has SSD on MB) |
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| 06:57.49 | nonedead | What is Kali based off of? |
| 06:58.56 | nonedead | Found it, Debian based |
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| 07:00.40 | nonedead | Any idea why it isn't seeing the ssd? |
| 07:02.01 | klys | nonedead, lsmod |
| 07:02.20 | diogenes_ | apple locks down and ties hardware to software, the chances are it is bind to macos only. |
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| 07:17.27 | nonedead | diogenes_: I figured out my problem and it nothing can be done with debian, not fault on their end. Apple's T2 chip as the SSD controller prevents any OS besides MacOS and Windows... |
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| 07:18.23 | nonedead | So no Debian on the machine... Could try Win10 and the WSL with it |
| 07:18.35 | diogenes_ | nonedead, toldya https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi9en4I-tjA |
| 07:20.14 | nonedead | Atleast I didn't spend any money on it. Was given to me free |
| 07:20.56 | nonedead | I updated my MacMini to buster without problem though.... |
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| 08:20.20 | rain2 | mount /dir will lookup fstab and mount the thing, but is there a way to make it do nothing if /dir is already mounted? |
| 08:20.26 | rain2 | i dont want it mounted twice |
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| 08:45.28 | jim | rain2, I'm pretty sure it won't mount the same device to the same dir twice |
| 08:48.12 | humpled | i just tried with a tmpfs and it does, doesn't make much difference except when you unmount one the other is still mounted |
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| 08:49.08 | jim | so if you mount a second time, it mounts atain? |
| 08:49.13 | jim | again? |
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| 08:50.20 | humpled | when i call mount afterwards, it shows two identical lines |
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| 08:50.52 | humpled | my fstab is like this: none /home/user/tmp tmpfs user,noauto 0 0 |
| 08:51.02 | humpled | don't know what the questioner's use-case is |
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| 08:52.55 | jim | I just checked the man page, and it says (1) that it -is- possible, and (2) that "... the mount command does not implement any policy to control this behavior." |
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| 09:07.37 | humpled | fair enough |
| 09:08.34 | jim | hope the OP reads this, hasn't responded yet |
| 09:09.59 | humpled | oh well, i learned something, findmnt seems useful |
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| 09:52.33 | wakatana | hello I'm using IRSSI for IRC. Is it possible to show channels which I'm currently joined on? Either command or some plugin would be great. Thankx |
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| 09:53.17 | wakatana | plugin which will show channels in tab like style. like GNU screen |
| 09:54.33 | Wulf | wakatana: /whois wakatana |
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| 09:56.29 | toruvinn | wakatana, /window list |
| 09:56.30 | toruvinn | perhaps? |
| 09:56.47 | toruvinn | wakatana, there are plenty of scripts that print a better list, however |
| 09:57.13 | toruvinn | wakatana, https://scripts.irssi.org/ the power of irssi lies in it being very scriptable. |
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| 10:04.22 | azy | worth upgrading from debian 9 to 10? |
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| 10:07.27 | rant | there is also scriptassist which is a package manager for scripts lets you search and install scripts from within irssi |
| 10:07.55 | rant | azy: "worth"? Its still on LTS there is no real reason to upgrade yet if you have to ask and dont know |
| 10:08.07 | rant | !stretch |
| 10:08.07 | dpkg | Stretch is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch . Ask me about <install stretch>, <release notes>, <jessie->stretch>. |
| 10:08.19 | rant | hmm.. |
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| 10:08.47 | azy | !install stretch |
| 10:08.47 | dpkg | There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 10:08.52 | azy | wait i already hvae that lol |
| 10:09.04 | azy | ill leave it |
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| 10:10.04 | rant | !jessie |
| 10:10.04 | dpkg | Jessie is the codename for the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25. Security support ended 2018-05-17, repos removed from mirrors around 2019-03-24, except for <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <jessie release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Last point release was <8.11>. |
| 10:10.43 | rant | !lts |
| 10:10.43 | dpkg | Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 10:10.52 | rant | ah |
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| 10:11.00 | rant | dpkg, stretch-lts |
| 10:11.00 | dpkg | It is expected that extended security support for Debian 9 "Stretch" will be offered by the <LTS> project after the Debian Security Team ceases supporting stretch in July 2020. See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information |
| 10:11.33 | rant | hmm, maybe not.. I was thinking one of these would say at least ballpark the date until which stretch will be supported |
| 10:11.45 | rant | but I'm not seeing that on the wiki or release pages either |
| 10:11.45 | wakatana | toruvinn: thanks i know about scripts /window and /whois <my_nick> seems ok. may I ask for your prefered scripts? |
| 10:12.17 | rant | afaik it should be supported for at least 2 more years |
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| 10:12.58 | rant | idk how anyone else feels about it, and I could just be imagining it, but somehow Buster seemed shinier to me :P |
| 10:13.34 | coruja | rant, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases#Production_Releases |
| 10:14.20 | rant | coruja: ah, I see, thanks.. |
| 10:14.43 | rant | I wonder should we put that into <stretch-lts> or <stretch> or both?! |
| 10:16.09 | rant | the <stretch-lts> already mentiones EOL July 2020, but doesnt indicate end of LTS |
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| 10:24.00 | kek_ | hi |
| 10:26.06 | kek_ | if I create a bootable usb stick with debian 10 and "dd" tool, should that be bootable on legacy bios? |
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| 10:27.19 | jim | kek_, yeah, I think so |
| 10:27.43 | rant | kek_: yes, and you dont need dd, cp is fine |
| 10:27.43 | jim | easy enough to test :) |
| 10:28.01 | rant | kek_: cp debian.iso /dev/sdc or w/e |
| 10:28.40 | kek_ | rant, what prerequierments does "just cp" have? |
| 10:29.01 | rant | pre-what? |
| 10:29.30 | rant | if you read the realease notes this is how it tells you to make the images |
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| 10:29.59 | rant | dd is not required, a normal cp is fine |
| 10:30.35 | kek_ | jim, thanks |
| 10:30.43 | kek_ | rant, ok gonna check the notes then |
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| 10:51.40 | GigaFlow | haha, I tried to upgrade to Buster and killed my machine |
| 10:51.55 | GigaFlow | so right now I can boot only in recovery mode |
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| 10:58.35 | GigaFlow | "problem executing scripts APT::Update" |
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| 11:12.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey did firefox start minding gtk themes? |
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| 11:17.45 | BCMM | Eryn_1983_FL: what do you mean, "minding"? afaik firefox has always followed gtk themes |
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| 11:18.47 | BCMM | if it's not following your theme, you might not have a theme for the correct gtk version |
| 11:19.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmm |
| 11:20.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | must of been it then now its purple! |
| 11:20.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | fml |
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| 11:21.22 | humpled | fwp |
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| 11:39.08 | GigaFlow | why this life sucks? |
| 11:39.28 | GigaFlow | apt tells that it is already isntalled |
| 11:39.33 | GigaFlow | installed |
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| 12:18.27 | kek_ | hi so I have a HP ProLiant MicroServer Gen8 here. Before there was ubuntu and even gnome installed on it. the hdd crashed and now I installed debian. Before it was slow, but now is unbearable. the new HDD is very similar. What could be the reason for it to be so slow? |
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| 12:19.30 | rudi_s | kek_: Slow in what way? |
| 12:20.34 | humpled | and what kind of debian? |
| 12:21.35 | kek_ | rudi_s, e.g. if you open a terminal and type - it's just terrible. you can't really type. the mouse cursor is just lagging. humpled I installed Debian 10 + Gnome (since my friend wants a DE) |
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| 12:23.46 | Bushmills | kek_: BIOS settings completely messed up. such as, CPU seed set to 20 MHz |
| 12:24.03 | Bushmills | tried resetting BIOS configuration? |
| 12:24.03 | humpled | unusual machine, which processor is it? |
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| 12:24.46 | rudi_s | kek_: Gen8 has a Celeron processor per default which is quite slow for today's standards. |
| 12:25.20 | kek_ | Bushmills, but if that was the case, wouldn't the old installation also be terribly slow? humpled Intel Pentium CPU G2020T @ 2.5ghz x2 |
| 12:25.45 | Bushmills | "Before it was slow, ..." |
| 12:26.28 | humpled | that's the pentium, gnome is the slowest but i have a single core celeron with xfce and it's not really laggy |
| 12:26.37 | kek_ | Bushmills, slow but usable - that's like another dimension slow now |
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| 12:27.37 | kek_ | you have like a latency of 2s for the cursor - before it was just slow, like "old hardware hdd"-slow but I'm going to check the settings ofc |
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| 12:30.53 | bonux | Hello, i can't login into mw dwm session... I compiled it from source and added .desktop file rebooted, but when i choose dwm and type password it just returns me back to typing password. |
| 12:31.07 | humpled | i hope wayland isn't a problem here |
| 12:31.11 | humpled | oops |
| 12:31.24 | bonux | Maybe it is, and how should i solve it? |
| 12:32.44 | humpled | oh i don't know anything about dwm, sorry, are you following the arch wiki? |
| 12:33.36 | bonux | No, i just installed from source and then added .desktop file to launch it from loggin manager. |
| 12:34.34 | humpled | ,v dwm |
| 12:34.35 | judd | Package: dwm on amd64 -- jessie: 6.0-7; stretch: 6.1-3; bullseye: 6.1-5; buster: 6.1-5; sid: 6.1-5 |
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| 12:35.16 | ksk | Can I get the information "why was this package installed" from APT somehow? (I know of "aptitude why" in contrast..) |
| 12:35.28 | ksk | or, from the system by any means, actually. |
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| 12:40.39 | rant | you need aptitude for more advanced stuff, but if you wanted to do things the hard way you could examine the apt or dpkg logs |
| 12:40.54 | Bushmills | ksk, aptitude why package |
| 12:41.43 | Bushmills | ah, seen your comment in parenthesises too late |
| 12:43.22 | Bushmills | then, if it's not a dependency or installed explicitely, it may have been selected and installed as recommendation by aptitude |
| 12:44.00 | rant | you can probably figure it out just grepping the dpkg or apt logs |
| 12:44.03 | Bushmills | (option exists in settings, can be turned off) |
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| 12:49.47 | ksk | I see, thanks. |
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| 12:50.28 | ksk | "X11; recommends: everything" |
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| 13:13.23 | deadmarshal | hi, how can i install ati turks radeon HD 6670 graphics driver on debian? i've downloaded the .run file from amd.com website, but it gives an error like this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZvZSmcTdxs/ |
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| 13:17.53 | deadmarshal | :( |
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| 13:18.39 | deadmarshal | what should i do? it's urgent |
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| 13:22.25 | Bushmills | firmware-amd-graphics should have needed firmware for that card |
| 13:23.18 | Bushmills | probably in non-free repo, which isn't enabled by default. you may have to add it |
| 13:24.16 | deadmarshal | i guess i have enabled non-free repos |
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| 13:24.38 | Bushmills | remembering beats guessing |
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| 13:25.11 | deadmarshal | so the package name is firmware-amd-graphics? |
| 13:25.25 | rant | ,i firmware-amd-graphics |
| 13:25.26 | judd | Package firmware-amd-graphics (non-free/kernel, optional) in buster/amd64: Binary firmware for AMD/ATI graphics chips. Version: 20190114-1; Size: 3347.0k; Installed: 30234k; Homepage: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git |
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| 13:26.37 | deadmarshal | ah ok let me see, tnx |
| 13:26.39 | debusr | my debian is bullseye/sid. And I install skype but in the testing step, the speaker doesn't work. My sound card is HDA Intel PCH, CX8200 Analog. Any place i can check? |
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| 13:27.22 | rant | debusr: #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 13:27.38 | rant | debusr: and contact skype's support |
| 13:27.42 | debusr | @rant i see. thanks |
| 13:27.53 | rant | and stop using twitter/facebook stuff on irc |
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| 13:27.58 | Bushmills | debusr: IIRC, skype supports oss as sound output only, and won't work when something else uses audio too |
| 13:28.20 | debusr | @Bush |
| 13:28.39 | rant | thats not the case, I was using skype recently with my cousin while we watched netflix together |
| 13:28.41 | debusr | @Bushmills Thanks for the info! |
| 13:28.50 | rant | seriously, stop doing that. :P |
| 13:29.04 | Bushmills | as reported by rant, my info seems to be outdated |
| 13:29.11 | rant | @Bushmills is to highlight a facebook/twitter user called Bushmills, that is not how irc works |
| 13:29.27 | rant | here @Bushmills indicates that Bushmills is a channel operator |
| 13:29.36 | Bushmills | I refuse |
| 13:29.38 | rant | and most IRC clients will not highlight when you do that |
| 13:29.41 | debusr | sorry don't know irc very well. |
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| 13:29.55 | rant | to highlight someone their nick needs to be the first thing on the line |
| 13:29.58 | rant | debusr: like this |
| 13:30.01 | rant | debusr, or this |
| 13:30.04 | kirk781 | Bushmills, hello |
| 13:30.09 | Ede|Popede | nah, anywhere in the line |
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| 13:30.11 | debusr | debusr: hello |
| 13:30.20 | rant | Ede|Popede: depends on the client and your highlighting rules |
| 13:30.22 | debusr | thanks! |
| 13:30.29 | Ede|Popede | you talk too much to bots, rant ;) |
| 13:30.33 | rant | my client only highlights if my nick is the first thing on the line |
| 13:30.48 | rant | dpkg, what is a person? |
| 13:30.49 | dpkg | person is, like, like a bot, but squishier |
| 13:30.56 | kirk781 | rant, watt client? |
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| 13:31.29 | rant | irssi |
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| 13:31.42 | Ede|Popede | actually a client giving you the freedom to do it your own way does it right |
| 13:31.45 | rant | I could of course change the highlights but I'm not going to for obvious reasons |
| 13:32.14 | rant | If you were to rant, or talk about a rant, raty durant, fragrant... etc |
| 13:32.18 | rant | I would be highlighted |
| 13:32.25 | rant | heh |
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| 13:37.51 | deadmarshal | I installed firmware-amd-graphics, but the resolution is still so bad. how can I enable it? |
| 13:38.23 | wh0ami | hello, i might have locked myself out. so i disabled root login via passwd -l, i also disabled my normal user password method because i wanted keys authentication, but now sudo wont recognize my normal user password |
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| 13:38.51 | wh0ami | is there other way to fix this? i still have access to my normal user via key athentication |
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| 13:40.16 | wh0ami | i cannot access "passwd" because it asks for my normal user password when I sudo |
| 13:41.27 | rant | wh0ami: yes, you have to bypass the authentication by bypassing init and thus getty, pam, etc.. |
| 13:41.40 | AinNero | like the rescue boot option from the ISO |
| 13:41.50 | wh0ami | can you ELI5? |
| 13:41.55 | jasabelle | you could try booting off a live usb stick, mount the disk and editing /etc/passwd manually |
| 13:41.56 | rant | wh0ami: reboot, press 'e' on the boot menu, append init=/bin/bash to the linux line and then boot |
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| 13:42.35 | rant | wh0ami: then do "mount -o remount,rw /" then use passwd to set a password and "mount -o remount,ro /" and reboot |
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| 13:43.09 | rant | wh0ami: do not follow the above advice, they dont know what they're talking about |
| 13:43.20 | rant | first of all /etc/passwd has nothing to do with your password |
| 13:43.51 | rant | secondly, even if it did, how would you suppose you edit it? do you know how to generate a proper passwd hash? |
| 13:43.53 | jasabelle | re-enable the root account i was thinking |
| 13:44.05 | wh0ami | ok |
| 13:44.21 | rant | disabling the root account is done by placing a ! or * in the password field |
| 13:44.26 | wh0ami | jasa, i couldnt it, i had to use sudo for thag |
| 13:44.35 | wh0ami | that |
| 13:45.06 | jasabelle | rant⦠yeah so remove it |
| 13:45.17 | rant | then you have nothing in the password field |
| 13:45.36 | jasabelle | it's stored in /etc/shadow isnt it? |
| 13:45.40 | wh0ami | i cant use sudo in the first place |
| 13:45.43 | rant | yes |
| 13:45.56 | rant | forget sudo, you have to reboot |
| 13:46.03 | jasabelle | so once is re-enabled, they can reboot and get in as root |
| 13:46.14 | rant | and either use the method I described or boot another media and use chroot |
| 13:46.14 | wh0ami | ill give it a try |
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| 14:04.41 | wh0ami | the first method didnt work because i disabled hdmi and nothing is on the screen |
| 14:04.49 | wh0ami | what was the other method again |
| 14:05.15 | wh0ami | its a headless server so i didnt bother with gui |
| 14:05.43 | rant | either way you need to attache input and output devices, you FUBAR'd it |
| 14:06.17 | rant | unless you have some kind of boot media that will bring up a network and allow you ssh access |
| 14:06.29 | rant | whereby you can chroot into the system |
| 14:06.56 | wh0ami | im currently connected to it and i have ssh access |
| 14:07.15 | wh0ami | just wont let me do anything because of sudo asking for the password |
| 14:07.26 | rant | BECAUSE YOU LOCKED OUT THE ROOT ACCOUNT |
| 14:07.43 | rant | if you could unlock it from there there would be no point in having any security what-so-ever |
| 14:07.52 | rant | you cant unlock it from within the system you broke |
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| 14:08.15 | rant | you have to boot another system and access it while its offline or by bypassing the entire security by bypassing init and pam |
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| 14:08.21 | rant | there is NO OTHER WAY, PERIOD |
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| 14:08.49 | rant | you either hook up a monitor and keyboard pass init=/bin/bash or boot ANOTHER MEDIA which has the ability to be accessed remotely |
| 14:09.13 | laptop | hello |
| 14:09.18 | rant | a media which you HAVE ROOT access on |
| 14:09.36 | rant | laptop: hello |
| 14:09.49 | laptop | hello I have a question, I installed debian 10 from 9 and some of my packages are not in debian 10 so I am wondering I could just install debian 9 again but I switched to arch can I install some of those old packages |
| 14:10.43 | rant | I'm not going to even attempt to answer that because you asked in two different channels on two different networks and your attention is divided and the question is indecipherable |
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| 14:10.50 | rant | its an x y z problem |
| 14:11.09 | laptop | hmmm |
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| 14:12.02 | deadrom | hi |
| 14:12.24 | laptop | hi |
| 14:12.26 | rant | laptop: try again.. focus your attention on one channel, ask a better question |
| 14:12.39 | rant | idk if when you say "arch" if you mean arch linux or what |
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| 14:13.18 | rant | Debian 9 is supported for several more years, you can continue to use it, but chances are you need to begin thinking about how to resolve your issues with whatever unnamed packages |
| 14:13.35 | rant | the real question involves mentioning these packages |
| 14:13.49 | laptop | okay so I need to install legacy 304 nvidia but it is not in buster repo but it is in sid repo but I have switch to archlinux with manjaro will it allow me to use the older hardware |
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| 14:14.43 | rant | I couldnt say what archlinux or manjaro is or if it will allow you to use older hardware.. this is #debian.. we support Debian stable |
| 14:14.58 | jasabelle | unless you really know what you are doing, consider the different flavors of linux non-interchangable |
| 14:15.29 | rant | if you want to use debian stable and know if a particular nvidia card will be supported, you need to stay focused and tell us specifically what hardware |
| 14:15.30 | jasabelle | completely different OS's |
| 14:15.34 | rant | i.e. what lspci -nn says |
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| 14:15.51 | wh0ami | ill see if i can enable the monitor output |
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| 14:16.19 | deadrom | not having any more free sata ports I decided to to form a raid1 set of two usb3 disks on a deb8 machine on an intel sandy bridge platform (I know, both old, ripe for an upgrade, on my todo). the raid is host to a VBox virtual machine and while the deb8 host is perfectly happy with its raid set, the VM complains a lot about things like "JBD2: Detected IO errors while flushing file data on sda2-8". I know the usb raid idea is stupid, by my |
| 14:16.20 | laptop | okay got it I think your earlier advice makes sense think about new hardware is really the problem for debian, I know my video card but the problem is it is not supported with debian 10 |
| 14:16.21 | deadrom | question is, why does the guest complain and the host not? |
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| 14:19.20 | rant | laptop: all I hear you saying is that you're way off topic and have nothing we can help you with.. you are not saying what the pciid of this device is, you are just saying its not supported and that you don't use debian.. and thus would only be wasting our time here |
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| 14:39.50 | wh0ami | rant, how about using cron during reboot? |
| 14:40.08 | wh0ami | i tried passwd -u user |
| 14:40.15 | wh0ami | but didnt work |
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| 14:40.46 | rant | wth would you do that? |
| 14:40.57 | rant | thats to change the password of a user called user |
| 14:41.06 | rant | you were just suppose to type passwd |
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| 14:41.11 | rant | to change the root password |
| 14:41.21 | rant | AFTER remounting the filesystem read-write |
| 14:42.06 | rant | and you have to remount it read-only afterward to prevent damage from a hard reboot |
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| 14:42.29 | wh0ami | yeah, once i enable user's password, i should be able to enable root password with sudo |
| 14:43.10 | rant | @.@ |
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| 14:43.33 | wh0ami | so i can boot a livecd and do that? |
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| 14:43.52 | wh0ami | im new to linux stuff but doing my best |
| 14:43.57 | rant | w/e .. heh.. to me when I've fubarred something to the point I gotta go this route I re-enable the root the old fashioned way I dont rely on rube methods |
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| 14:44.33 | rant | you can do it from a live as well, if you mount the rootfs and chroot to the mountpoint |
| 14:44.46 | rant | its slightly easier that way cause you dont have to wory about remounting the rootfs twice |
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| 14:55.22 | Asterisco | Buonasera... da qualche giorno ho effettuato un dist-upgrade a debian 10 |
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| 14:56.27 | humpled | is that Italian? |
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| 14:57.34 | rant | !it |
| 14:57.34 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:57.48 | humpled | only 17 users tho |
| 14:57.57 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone, i've downloaded the new stable debian but when i try to disable nouveau for the orig. nvidia driver he tells me X is running but i stopped it with /etc/init.d/lightdm stop |
| 14:58.07 | rant | humpled: better than 400 that don't speak Italian :P |
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| 14:58.24 | humpled | well, true |
| 14:59.08 | Asterisco | i've upgrade to debian 10 from debian 9 with dist-upgrade, but from this date the pc go to standby after sometime of inactivity |
| 14:59.24 | Asterisco | The Computer is a asterisk server and this is a problem for mr |
| 14:59.26 | Asterisco | me |
| 14:59.52 | Asterisco | what could be the problem? |
| 15:00.02 | rant | it could be configured to do so in the BIOS/UEFI |
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| 15:00.35 | Asterisco | rant i don't think |
| 15:00.52 | Asterisco | before the computer work fine |
| 15:03.16 | rant | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:14.05 | Solifugus | Just installed debian 10 and discovered I cannot su or login as root.. how can I fix this? What are you supposed to do? |
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| 15:14.38 | jasabelle | did you disable root logins when installing? |
| 15:14.41 | Solifugus | The user setup at installation had always been able to su/sudo in past versions of debian |
| 15:14.47 | jasabelle | the installer would install sudo |
| 15:14.57 | Solifugus | Nope... |
| 15:15.18 | Solifugus | says I am not setup in the sodoers file.. |
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| 15:15.30 | jasabelle | did you add yourself in the install process? |
| 15:15.31 | Solifugus | I cannot login via ssh root@localhost |
| 15:15.43 | Solifugus | I installed KDE so it won't let me login as root.. |
| 15:15.54 | Solifugus | I added a user "master" during install |
| 15:16.15 | jasabelle | and you can login as that user? |
| 15:16.23 | Solifugus | obviously, I cannot add any other user or do anything outside of that, surprisingly locked up user |
| 15:16.29 | Solifugus | I can login as master... |
| 15:16.38 | Solifugus | but master cannot use su or sudo |
| 15:16.49 | Solifugus | which really surprised me |
| 15:17.05 | jasabelle | that does sound weird |
| 15:17.40 | jasabelle | i installed off netinst image recently and disabled root logins, i have sudo |
| 15:17.49 | Solifugus | maybe I could login as root, on the konsole.. if I could get around the kde login... I think some function key or something |
| 15:18.00 | Solifugus | hmmm.. |
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| 15:18.25 | humpled | !? |
| 15:18.34 | jasabelle | to get a root shell from sudo you use sudo -i |
| 15:18.57 | jasabelle | but if you're not set up for sudoers privs er, yeah, not gonna work that way |
| 15:19.30 | humpled | in the installer, either you make a root password or your primary user will be a sudoer |
| 15:19.36 | jasabelle | yeah |
| 15:19.46 | Solifugus | humpled.. wonder why that didn't happen |
| 15:20.03 | humpled | you don't have a root password? |
| 15:20.12 | Solifugus | isn't there some way to get to a console login, instead of the kde login.. |
| 15:20.18 | humpled | sure |
| 15:20.31 | humpled | use ctrl-alt-f? |
| 15:20.33 | jasabelle | ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 15:20.34 | Solifugus | of course, I have the root password.. but how can I login to it? tried ssh root@localhost but not allowed |
| 15:20.37 | jasabelle | to get to a tty |
| 15:20.47 | jasabelle | ssh will have ootlogins disabled |
| 15:20.53 | Solifugus | yes.. thanks.. I was trying to remember those keys |
| 15:20.54 | jasabelle | rootlogins |
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| 15:21.17 | humpled | or use su - in a graphical terminal in the kde session |
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| 15:21.23 | Solifugus | awesome.. I am in. |
| 15:22.11 | Solifugus | humpled, su - is the first thing I tried.. but the user made during installation it says, is not in the sudoers file |
| 15:22.21 | Solifugus | I am in now.. and will fix this. |
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| 15:23.08 | Solifugus | yep... nobody besides root mentioned in the sudoers file |
| 15:23.23 | humpled | i don't think you have to be a sudoer to su to root |
| 15:23.42 | jasabelle | openssh server has this as default for security reasons: #PermitRootLogin prohibit-password |
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| 15:31.34 | Solifugus | The sudoers file had members of the "sudo" group having root-like privs.. I noticed giving that group as a secondary group to "master" user did not work. I had to be the primary group. |
| 15:31.42 | Solifugus | But now it works from my "master" user. |
| 15:32.26 | humpled | what |
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| 15:33.15 | humpled | now master doesn't have their own primary group? |
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| 15:40.21 | immu | hi |
| 15:40.32 | immu | i have newly installed debian for the first time |
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| 15:40.41 | humpled | \o/ |
| 15:40.56 | immu | previously i was on Ubuntu |
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| 15:41.16 | immu | do we have a chit chat channel |
| 15:41.36 | humpled | there is #debian-offtopic |
| 15:42.00 | immu | humpled, thnx |
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| 15:45.16 | immu | i wonder how is gnome faster in debian than ubuntu |
| 15:45.35 | azeem | we compile with -funroll-loops |
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| 15:46.21 | immu | azeem, lol |
| 15:46.30 | immu | i am njoying it |
| 15:46.41 | azeem | immu: to be honest, hard to say, most of us don't compare with Ubuntu regularly - they might run a few additional value-add (or not) services that bogs you down |
| 15:47.42 | immu | ok |
| 15:48.11 | immu | azeem, does debian support snaps? |
| 15:48.59 | azeem | !snaps |
| 15:49.01 | azeem | hrm |
| 15:49.09 | azeem | not sure, certainly not as a first-class thing |
| 15:49.12 | azeem | !snap |
| 15:49.13 | dpkg | somebody said snap was a snap is a tweaker or fiend, someone whose level of addiction to a substance is so intense, they will get it at any cost. If you were looking for snap packages, consider the previous statement and perhaps professional help on your <#dsm> classifyable disorder. |
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| 15:49.13 | immu | ok |
| 15:49.42 | immu | i fear snaps would run over dkpg |
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| 15:50.35 | azeem | I guess they get dumped outside the FHS namespace? |
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| 15:52.20 | immu | lol |
| 15:52.30 | immu | wait i would google it |
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| 16:04.28 | SerajewelKS | is there a recommendation for handling EC2 network interfaces on buster? the name that udev wants is a hwaddr-based name (enx*) which is going to mean different interfaces names on every EC2 server. |
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| 16:04.59 | SerajewelKS | is it recommended to use a systemd link to get a consistent name such as "wan" in EC2? |
| 16:05.09 | SerajewelKS | or is there some other best practice? |
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| 16:21.34 | petn-randall | SerajewelKS: Are you baking your own images for EC2? If you are, you could take a peek at the EC2 images provided by the debian cloud team, I'm sure they came up with a solution since they "just work". |
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| 16:47.52 | BCMM | immu: afaik snaps are basically an ubuntu thing |
| 16:48.01 | darkmeson | SerajewelKS: I can't say I've used EC2, but I'd be surprised if the MAC address ever changes, and that's what we usually set our consistent names by (typically in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules) |
| 16:48.45 | BCMM | immu: snapd is available in debian, though |
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| 16:49.29 | darkmeson | I don't know about an ubuntu thing, but they're definitely not a lowmem desktop thing. snapd wastes a crap ton of memory for no apparent reason (as in, it could've been handled by non-persistent scripts, etc) |
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| 16:52.36 | darkmeson | it's actually kind of annoying since it's the only way to get anbox atm |
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| 16:54.26 | BCMM | darkmeson: isn't the server side proprietary and operated by canonical? or does it support third-party repos now? |
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| 16:55.54 | darkmeson | It's decentralized afaik. At least, I had to allow addresses outside of the usual ones for ppas and so forth |
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| 16:56.57 | darkmeson | for anbox (and maybe eternallands?), and they didn't seem to be canonical-related |
| 16:57.00 | n00buser | hi, how to reinstall kde in debian 10 and install fresh settings? |
| 16:58.00 | darkmeson | "fresh settings" is mostly just blowing away (or moving out of the way) ~/.kde and most of the ~/.config/k* entries afaik |
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| 16:58.44 | ratrace | BCMM: the snap store is proprietary and centralized, you can't have your own |
| 16:58.57 | darkmeson | (some ~/.local/k* entries too) |
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| 17:02.45 | darkmeson | n00buser: honestly, your best bet is probably to move the current home directory out of the way (ex: sudo mv /home/<user> /home/<user>.old) and make a new one ('cp -a /etc/skel /home/<user>; chown -R <user>:<user> /home/<user>; chmod -R 0710 /home/<user>), then re-log. |
| 17:05.09 | darkmeson | It's usually what I do since there are qt, gtk, kde, gnome, pulseaudio, and ton of other files scattered all over that tend to cause strange problems from time to time if you try to get more surgical with it |
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| 17:05.26 | n00buser | darkmeson, thx, will try |
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| 17:06.54 | darkmeson | if you go that route, it also gives you the advantage of being able to copy the fresh user directory back to /etc/skel or elsewhere so you can reset things to, or replicate the exact set up you like more easily |
| 17:07.21 | Abdullah | some good console fonts except terminus? |
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| 17:08.21 | Abdullah | I tried a font which I use for urxvt but I can't find it a .gz file in them. I also created a gzip file from that font but no success |
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| 17:09.28 | darkmeson | ratrace: if we're calling the store jump off point like the sources.list entries are for apt, then that looked to be correct |
| 17:09.29 | Abdullah | I usually store my daily use fonts in my dotfiles repo and don't install more fonts except those come with a default netinstall iso |
| 17:10.27 | SerajewelKS | darkmeson: i don't expect the MAC address to change, but at this point it's been consistent that eth0 is the interface on all instances. having to maintain separate interface names in scripts etc. would be a pain. i wasn't sure if using a systemd link was advised. |
| 17:10.32 | BCMM | Abdullah: seen this one? https://github.com/rbanffy/3270font |
| 17:10.42 | darkmeson | personally, I only use Terminus or TerminusBold, but that's because it's the only one that goes to 16x32 and allows me to approximate the standard 80x25 console arrangement |
| 17:11.06 | SerajewelKS | petn-randall: not baking our own images, but planning the upgrade from stretch |
| 17:11.06 | BCMM | Abdullah: it's not just a copy of the classic ibm terminal font; it's actually a modern vector font that somehow keeps the look and feel |
| 17:11.09 | darkmeson | hates that all developers seem to automatically assume everyone can read extremely tiny fonts |
| 17:11.13 | Abdullah | BCMM: will give it a try. |
| 17:11.39 | BCMM | Abdullah: i linked the github for screenshots, but it's in debian as fonts-3270 |
| 17:12.10 | Abdullah | gonna install them BCMM |
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| 17:12.49 | BCMM | Abdullah: oh, and inconsolata |
| 17:13.12 | Abdullah | BCMM: I don't know why I don't like inconsolata :) |
| 17:13.28 | darkmeson | one they're installed, they go to /usr/share/consolefonts btw |
| 17:13.38 | BCMM | Abdullah: i just wish it had italics, for syntax-highlighted source |
| 17:14.27 | SerajewelKS | petn-randall: the buster release notes 5.1.5 is basically "subject yourself to awful hwaddr-based interface names because of reasons that we aren't going to tell you" |
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| 17:14.46 | darkmeson | has to rummage through there and manually copy fonts between distros from time to time |
| 17:15.06 | Abdullah | yeah but I don't find them with fonts-_ maybe they call them something else. I think I have to startx to check README on github. |
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| 17:15.30 | darkmeson | or use elinks, or w3m, or netsurf, etc |
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| 17:15.42 | petn-randall | SerajewelKS: If you *upgrade*, the interface names will be retained. |
| 17:15.52 | petn-randall | I know that from practical experience. |
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| 17:16.59 | SerajewelKS | petn-randall: the section indicates that the udev mechanism is no longer supported in buster. yeah, it may work. but i'm very hesitant to rely on something "not officialy supported" for dozens of production servers. |
| 17:17.02 | darkmeson | some flavors of console browsers can even use the framebuffer for graphical browsing with involving X11 |
| 17:17.10 | darkmeson | s/with/without/ |
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| 17:17.37 | SerajewelKS | petn-randall: it's a bit strange to me that the section doesn't even hint at alternatives or any officially-supported way of achieving the same thing |
| 17:17.48 | SerajewelKS | it just says "stop doing this" |
| 17:18.15 | darkmeson | SerajewelKS: personally, that's one reason I tend to use bridge interfaces even where I don't strictly need them |
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| 17:18.47 | petn-randall | SerajewelKS: I must have missed that part during upgrade, since all my servers still work as expected with the legacy file names ... :S |
| 17:18.53 | SerajewelKS | darkmeson: someone pointed me at systemd .link units which i assume are safe, but i'm curious what the best practice is |
| 17:19.07 | SerajewelKS | petn-randall: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#migrate-interface-names |
| 17:19.07 | bonux | Hello, i can't make my dwm to work on debian. |
| 17:19.17 | darkmeson | I just configure the bridge, then toss a script into the boot process that auto-adds interfaces to the right places so I don't have to be bothered by people moving the cheese for no good reason (which is business as usual for GNU/Linux these days, sadly) |
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| 17:20.33 | darkmeson | which to state it explicitly, mostly means doing a subset of udev's job and binding things together by hwaddr rather than unstable ifnames |
| 17:21.08 | SerajewelKS | oh speaking of, is there a way to get tinc to delay starting until after a specific interface comes up? i have a tinc interface that is added to a bridge in the tinc-up script but at boot, tinc starts before the bridge is up and so the VPN starts but isn't in the bridge. |
| 17:21.12 | SerajewelKS | restarting tinc later fixes it. |
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| 17:21.32 | SerajewelKS | i'd like to have systemd wait until br0 is up before starting tinc. but i don't know the correct way to configure that. |
| 17:21.37 | Abdullah | darkmeson: fonts-3270 made my settings destroyed :) I just had to purge them and then did xset +fp blah blah to use urxvt load fonts from my homedir |
| 17:21.47 | SerajewelKS | darkmeson: i think systemd link units solve that problem |
| 17:21.56 | darkmeson | SerajewelKS: You can put After= in the unit file for it, in theory |
| 17:21.59 | SerajewelKS | darkmeson: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.link.html |
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| 17:22.17 | SerajewelKS | darkmeson: hmm, i wonder if there is a way to configure that without altering the package-provided unit |
| 17:22.21 | darkmeson | I avoid systemd-heavy approaches where possible since they're nonportable |
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| 17:22.46 | SerajewelKS | they're becoming portable, for better or for worse... more and more distros are adopting it |
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| 17:23.28 | darkmeson | I also have to neuter most of systemd anyway since they do so many stupidly insecure things (do 'chmod -R o-rwsx /etc/systemd', and watch the informational messages they put in the logs for instance) |
| 17:23.48 | Abdullah | systemd is smart, I'm gonna use it an alternative for whatever I still launch from .xprofile or .xinitrc (only startx in it and source .xprofile) |
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| 17:24.06 | darkmeson | it's basically, "there's no point trying to secure anything, because we allow everything that wants it unauthenticated access via our own apis anyway" |
| 17:24.47 | dob1 | hi, I don't understand what is happened: I connect to my linux box via ssh and the prompt is not colored anymore, ls -ls is not colored. why? I didn't modify anything. It's not the colors the problem but to understand why it's changed |
| 17:25.17 | darkmeson | Abdullah: get used to using 'systemd-analyze blame' then. it's SUPPOSED to be MORE parallelized, but it actually makes boot up considerably slower by waiting on slow, pointless things |
| 17:25.22 | Abdullah | dob1: what is the output of `which ls` |
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| 17:25.36 | dob1 | Abdullah, /bin/ls |
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| 17:26.13 | trek00 | dob1: may be your TERM is set to something incompatible? |
| 17:26.16 | darkmeson | effectively has to start a ton of things from an async version of rc.local just to take systemd dependency hell out of the equation and get to a desktop in a reasonable time frame, reliably |
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| 17:26.39 | Abdullah | I'm newb but AFAIK there is something not sourced like it should show you like, 'ls aliased to ls --color=auto' |
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| 17:27.19 | Abdullah | dob1: trek00 |
| 17:27.29 | darkmeson | it's probably the TERM setting |
| 17:27.30 | dob1 | trek00, echo $TERM is xterm-256color |
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| 17:27.40 | darkmeson | ok, maybe not |
| 17:28.01 | darkmeson | try 'ls --color=always' on some dir to sanity check |
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| 17:29.13 | jasabelle | dob1⦠the prompt is only colorised if your TERM has 256color in it (look at your .bash_profile/bashrc script) |
| 17:29.53 | darkmeson | the colorized prompt logic gets confused a lot, so I usually just tuck an alias to --color=always in a system or local rc and forget about it |
| 17:29.59 | Abdullah | using zsh, I think same works for bash as I think my alias file was written when I was on bash |
| 17:30.05 | dob1 | it's the $TERM |
| 17:30.14 | dob1 | for sure |
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| 17:31.06 | darkmeson | there's ~/.profile, /etc/profile*, etc for cross-shell configuration too |
| 17:31.24 | trek00 | dob1: if ls --color=always does not color the output, may be the termcap is not updated |
| 17:31.49 | Abdullah | dob1: tried their TERM and still getting ls colurized output for dirs |
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| 17:32.14 | jasabelle | yeah but the colorised prompt comes from /etc/skel/.bashrc |
| 17:32.40 | Abdullah | btw which terminal you're using dob1 ? |
| 17:34.11 | jasabelle | i'm assuming you're not using tmux or the like |
| 17:34.14 | dob1 | more informations, I got where the problem is but it's strange: I connect via putty to my linux box, there I use tmux and from there I ssh to another linux box. This one is hte one with no color |
| 17:34.35 | jasabelle | tmux will set your TERM to screen by default |
| 17:34.42 | jasabelle | you lose your debian provided color when it does that |
| 17:34.42 | dob1 | I changed in .tmux.conf et -g default-terminal "screen-256color" |
| 17:34.49 | dob1 | *set |
| 17:34.56 | dob1 | and it's when the problem started |
| 17:35.21 | Abdullah | dob1: I have the same as you |
| 17:35.26 | dob1 | if I remove this line from .tmux.conf then I get the colors on the pc where I ssh (the second one) again |
| 17:35.32 | Abdullah | I'm sure the problem is in putty :) |
| 17:35.50 | jasabelle | your ssh client is set to bring the TERM env var over when you ssh |
| 17:36.06 | jasabelle | check the ssh client settings on the intermediate jump box |
| 17:36.18 | Abdullah | even if you don't set screen TERM, its by default set to it. |
| 17:36.22 | Abdullah | in tmux |
| 17:36.40 | dob1 | infact on the ssh pc (the second one) I have xterm-256color |
| 17:36.54 | NetTerminalGene | guys, i read debian 10 support secure boot. does that mean you don't have to do some manual stuff? |
| 17:37.10 | trek00 | dob1: term definitions must be in sync between all the system where you are using the terminal, so if the termcap used is installed only on one system, it could lead to problems |
| 17:37.21 | dob1 | trek00, but if before ssh I do export TERM=xterm colors come back |
| 17:37.24 | trek00 | NetTerminalGene: yes, it's fully automated |
| 17:37.32 | NetTerminalGene | wow! |
| 17:37.39 | Abdullah | NetTerminalGene: didn't try it yet on this install but yeah its supported |
| 17:37.50 | jasabelle | dob1⦠https://linux.die.net/man/5/ssh_config (the serve must be set to support this also) |
| 17:37.50 | petn-randall | NetTerminalGene: Yes, you can just enable secure boot, and install Debian. |
| 17:37.58 | jasabelle | see the SendEnv section |
| 17:37.58 | trek00 | dob1: TERM is one of few environment variables passed from ssh client to server |
| 17:38.07 | NetTerminalGene | ok |
| 17:38.08 | dob1 | trek00, it's the same |
| 17:38.11 | dob1 | jasabelle, where to look sorry? |
| 17:38.21 | NetTerminalGene | petn-randall, microsoft signed it? |
| 17:38.23 | jasabelle | try ~/.ssh/config first of all |
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| 17:38.56 | Abdullah | I use my own keys btw for secure boot. |
| 17:39.08 | dob1 | I was excpecting the reverse: I mean colors on the other ssh pcs works if TERM is xterm not if TERM is xterm-256colors it makes no sense |
| 17:39.31 | Abdullah | The last time I was reading on secure boot, I think Ubuntu and Fedora were supported only |
| 17:39.45 | trek00 | NetTerminalGene: yes |
| 17:40.55 | trek00 | dob1: the terminal at each system will translate from the source terminal to destination terminal, but only if both are know to the system |
| 17:41.15 | dob1 | trek00, so the target system doesn't know xterm-256color ? |
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| 17:41.43 | trek00 | dob1: yes or the intermediate system |
| 17:41.59 | dob1 | trek00, how can I make it to learn this? |
| 17:42.22 | dob1 | it's a debian stretch |
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| 17:43.40 | Abdullah | trek00: so microsoft also added debian in Windows as subsystem or only Ubuntu is there? |
| 17:44.01 | trek00 | dob1: on debian they are installed with ncurses-base you can check the list of supported terms with dpkg -S terminfo |
| 17:44.51 | trek00 | Abdullah: microsoft signed some packages from debian, they not added debian to windows |
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| 17:45.29 | dob1 | trek00, I have /lib/terminfo/x/xterm-256color |
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| 17:45.33 | Abdullah | trek00: Thanks for increasing my info :) |
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| 17:46.08 | trek00 | dob1: on both systems? |
| 17:46.21 | trek00 | Abdullah: it's a pleasure :) |
| 17:47.13 | dob1 | trek00, now I isolated the problem, I am connecting via putty to the target system (without the one in the middle), putty is setup as xterm-256color and I see not colors. I saw colors before because I was using just xterm |
| 17:47.30 | dob1 | it's strange... |
| 17:47.38 | trek00 | dob1: may be putty: https://superuser.com/questions/436910/emulate-256-colors-in-putty-terminal |
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| 17:48.07 | dob1 | trek00, I have this one. putty is configured like that |
| 17:48.45 | trek00 | dob1: i would bet putty is the problem, setting TERM=xterm on putty may be it would fix it |
| 17:48.59 | jasabelle | is vim involved? |
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| 17:49.57 | jasabelle | vim will only set the prefix/suffix values for colors (e.g. for syntax highlighting) if TERM matches certain values |
| 17:50.25 | trek00 | jasabelle: no it has problems with ls |
| 17:50.31 | dob1 | trek00, I noticed that on .bashrc (it has to be the debian default one) there is a use_color=false |
| 17:50.32 | trek00 | he has problems |
| 17:50.51 | dob1 | but it's strange, using xterm it works... |
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| 17:51.55 | jasabelle | have a read of ~/.bashrc |
| 17:52.22 | dob1 | infact it works if I set it to true, but on my first ssh pc, same bashrc It is set to false.... |
| 17:52.27 | dob1 | and there are colors |
| 17:52.59 | jasabelle | i dont recall it ever being use_color |
| 17:53.13 | dob1 | I can create a pastebin |
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| 17:53.56 | dob1 | https://pastebin.com/qbRSydcU I am not sure, but I think it's the default debian one |
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| 17:55.07 | trek00 | dob1: may be you could install ncurses-term that contains also the putty terminfo |
| 17:55.29 | dob1 | trek00, just installed |
| 17:55.43 | dob1 | it's like it doesn't understand xterm-256color |
| 17:56.26 | trek00 | dob1: with ncurses-term you can use putty-256color |
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| 17:57.38 | dob1 | it's the same |
| 17:58.20 | trek00 | dob1: sorry i have no more suggestions, use xterm :) |
| 17:58.27 | jasabelle | that doesnt look like my .bashrc |
| 17:58.31 | dob1 | trek00, no problem |
| 17:58.35 | dob1 | thanks anyway |
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| 17:59.24 | dob1 | jasabelle, I don't remember where it comes from.... |
| 18:00.57 | n00buser | how to reinstall xorg properly? |
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| 18:01.02 | jasabelle | you would need to set use_color to true it seems |
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| 18:01.42 | dob1 | jasabelle, It's not true, on the pc that I use in the middle to ssh to this one with no color I have the same .bashrc and the variable is set to false and I have colors |
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| 18:03.05 | jasabelle | the default one that comes with debian looks like this > https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~doko/+junk/pkg-bash-debian/view/head:/skel.bashrc |
| 18:04.04 | jasabelle | at least with a fresh install of buste |
| 18:04.06 | jasabelle | r |
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| 18:08.42 | dob1 | jasabelle, it's the same |
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| 18:09.09 | jasabelle | what you pasted looks like the one that comes with archlinux |
| 18:09.58 | dob1 | I used it, maybe it comes from it |
| 18:10.09 | dob1 | or gentoo |
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| 18:13.43 | jhutchins | vlc and libreoffice have certainly become very broad projects. Many packages to upgrade. |
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| 18:14.42 | jhutchins | Considering libreoffice has seven menu entries, it seems like twice as manypackages. |
| 18:15.05 | cbthree | i installed Debian GNU/Linux 10 (Buster) on my samsung chromebook 3 and everything works just fine. The only issue i have is that the microphone does not work, that is: no audio input from built in microphone |
| 18:15.17 | jasabelle | dob1⦠you'll need to figure out how color gets "enabled" on each host and how to satisfy each one |
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| 18:16.00 | mtn | cbthree: sounds works otherwise? |
| 18:16.19 | SerajewelKS | cbthree: check the ALSA mixer, it could be muted |
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| 18:16.57 | cbthree | mtn, sound works fine |
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| 18:17.07 | cbthree | SerajewelKS, it is not muted |
| 18:17.17 | mtn | cbthree: you can also look at the input tab of pavucontrol |
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| 18:19.16 | p90x | Hey, I have a quick qeustion about packages./ |
| 18:19.40 | p90x | If I put debs into pool, will they just install with the installer? |
| 18:19.58 | p90x | Or do they need to be configured in some way? |
| 18:20.08 | SerajewelKS | AIUI no |
| 18:20.19 | SerajewelKS | that just makes them available for installation |
| 18:20.50 | SerajewelKS | and you may need to update the Packages file as well (dpkg-scanpackages) |
| 18:20.51 | p90x | So I need to edit some file to make them available for install. Cool~ |
| 18:21.19 | p90x | It would be cool to just drag and drop at some point. |
| 18:21.27 | jasabelle | are you running a repo? |
| 18:21.28 | SerajewelKS | just being in the pool makes them available to be installed, but they still won't be installed unless they are a dependency, essential, or part of a selected tasksel task |
| 18:21.38 | SerajewelKS | or are manually requested, of course |
| 18:21.45 | SerajewelKS | what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 18:22.01 | jasabelle | dpkg -i will install a local deb package |
| 18:22.01 | dpkg | package will install a local deb package is already installed |
| 18:22.05 | p90x | Just trying to fresh install with my base defaults, just a few programs. |
| 18:22.28 | SerajewelKS | p90x: are you trying to add packages to the installer to be installed by default? |
| 18:22.34 | SerajewelKS | because just putting them in the pool won't do that |
| 18:22.57 | p90x | Yeah, I wanted to get it all installed in one go. I know I can do it, I just dont know how. |
| 18:23.37 | p90x | And just throwing in the apt cache folder would make it pretty sweet in general. |
| 18:24.02 | p90x | I thought it would just be as easy as that, guess it's time to do the work again. |
| 18:24.04 | SerajewelKS | putting it in the apt cache folder won't accomplish anything |
| 18:24.15 | jhutchins | p90x: That will only work if you have an earlier version installed. |
| 18:24.25 | p90x | No, I meant drag and drop apt cache into your installer usb. |
| 18:24.39 | SerajewelKS | ah. well that won't really work either. |
| 18:24.45 | jhutchins | p90x: Actually, throwing them in the cache will probably do nothing. |
| 18:25.00 | SerajewelKS | you have to update the Packages file for the pool, and still the packages won't automatically be installed |
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| 18:25.15 | jhutchins | p90x: You have to either explicitly install them or include them in the list of default programs to install. |
| 18:25.29 | p90x | No, I meant throwing the cache in the installer usb that's already made. It would be cool if you could just drag and drop it into usb and then it installs by default when doing a fresh install. |
| 18:25.32 | jhutchins | p90x: You may want to look at preseed or kickstart. |
| 18:25.49 | SerajewelKS | p90x: indeed but that's not how it works |
| 18:25.55 | jhutchins | p90x: That's not at all how it works. |
| 18:26.05 | SerajewelKS | p90x: the pool is stuff that _can_ be installed, but the installer won't install stuff just because it's in there |
| 18:26.13 | p90x | It does when you can change the modules lol |
| 18:26.26 | p90x | Too bad it's a lexicon of confusion. |
| 18:26.28 | jhutchins | p90x: No. |
| 18:26.31 | SerajewelKS | p90x: you're going about this entirely the wrong way |
| 18:26.38 | Abdullah | I hope it will work on my system with custom secure boot keys when I enable secure boot. Path is /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-secure-boot https://ix.io/1Qwd |
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| 18:27.03 | jhutchins | p90x: You may be confused but it's a very straight-forward process if you look at what it actually does instead of speculating. |
| 18:27.27 | SerajewelKS | p90x: are these packages in the official debian repositories? |
| 18:27.45 | p90x | Yeah, it never goes the way you expect. I don't know what I need to edit in the installer usb but I will see. Some programs are and aren't in the debian repo. |
| 18:28.16 | p90x | It's just a small few and I was also looking to edit add-ons to firefox. |
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| 18:28.47 | SerajewelKS | are you looking to install to many computers? |
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| 18:28.54 | p90x | I just think wasting a bunch of time downloading and pinging multiple servers is a waste of time and resources just for a fresh install. |
| 18:29.13 | p90x | Yeah and it's a pain in the ass on the company dime. |
| 18:29.38 | SerajewelKS | why not just host a debian mirror at your company then |
| 18:29.49 | SerajewelKS | for all of your internal machines |
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| 18:30.19 | magic_ninja | When will debian get some of the newer features with nvidia optimus, I wonder? |
| 18:30.19 | p90x | Cause the machines in question are one and I have to wipe the damn thing all the time and I don't have all the space I need or rather, hardware. |
| 18:30.35 | SerajewelKS | p90x: are one what |
| 18:30.41 | p90x | Just one machine. |
| 18:30.50 | p90x | It gets the nix treatment very often. |
| 18:30.59 | SerajewelKS | are you saying you have to regularly re-install |
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| 18:31.14 | p90x | How many files can you host on your hard disk? Probably not 9000000....... |
| 18:31.40 | p90x | It's a shitty little hitachi drive that's been failing for years, too. Runs like a dream, she does. |
| 18:31.52 | SerajewelKS | it sounded like you were going to install to dozens of systems. in that case running your own mirror is entirely feasible. you can do it on a junk system with a 500GB drive. |
| 18:32.13 | SerajewelKS | if it's just one machine then building your own installer is absolutely overkill |
| 18:32.21 | SerajewelKS | !xy problem |
| 18:32.22 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 18:32.28 | SerajewelKS | ^ |
| 18:32.43 | SerajewelKS | please tell us what the actual problem is, as specifically as possible. there is almost certainly a better solution than what you are trying to do. |
| 18:32.47 | jasabelle | hence why i asked if they were running a repo lol |
| 18:33.06 | jasabelle | because anything else, they're way overcomplicating |
| 18:33.17 | p90x | It's about installing default programs from install. Just a nice simple request. I just want them to install when installing linux. |
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| 18:34.05 | p90x | If I put the deb into pool and edit a file, then it will install. Correct? |
| 18:34.22 | jhutchins | p90x: I use Debian for hours every day. I have four machines at home and a VM at work, and I haven't reinstalled for about four releases. It's not a problem with Debian that's causing your reinstalls. |
| 18:34.37 | jhutchins | p90x: No. Not at all how it works. |
| 18:34.47 | p90x | I know, I'm like a crazy ass spider worker~ |
| 18:34.49 | Abdullah | I have signed the vmlinuz with my own keys but now secure boot isn't working |
| 18:34.58 | p90x | It's about breaking the thing lol |
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| 18:35.09 | SerajewelKS | p90x: you can probably use a preseed file to accomplish this. but again, i must reiterate that this approach is a bit silly for the problem you've hinted at. |
| 18:35.18 | p90x | I break all my operating systems with viruses and malwares and just for fun sometimes. |
| 18:35.22 | jhutchins | p90x: You have to either use preseed or kickstart to specify the programs or re-write the installer so that it requests them. It doesn't just read whatever's available. |
| 18:35.50 | p90x | Wow, so there's an extra third fourth and fifth steps. |
| 18:36.03 | SerajewelKS | p90x: it's probably much simpler just to install and then take an image of the hard drive... |
| 18:36.06 | p90x | So I need to do the clonezilla thing, then. |
| 18:36.16 | SerajewelKS | then you can just reimage the disk to restore it |
| 18:36.27 | jhutchins | p90x: You have the option on an advanced install to select individual packages, but the installer has to be given the metadata that apply to those packages in order to list them as available. |
| 18:37.15 | p90x | So making your own dist is harder than making an ISO? |
| 18:37.32 | SerajewelKS | p90x: if you're doing this often enough that you're worried about strain on the mirrors then you have a much more serious problem that needs addressing |
| 18:37.33 | jhutchins | p90x: Also, disks don't "fail for years", they either fail or they don't. |
| 18:37.50 | p90x | I figured it was all plug and play. It's got issues.... |
| 18:38.02 | SerajewelKS | and you still haven't told us what the problem actually is |
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| 18:38.48 | SerajewelKS | the solution that you've arrived at (customize the installer) is only appropriate when you're installing to many machines and need to automate the process |
| 18:38.58 | SerajewelKS | if this is for a single machine then customizing the installer is NOT a solution |
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| 18:39.09 | SerajewelKS | there is some other problem that needs solving instead, but you haven't told us what that is |
| 18:39.18 | p90x | Yeah but you don't know how many times I've broken this thing. |
| 18:39.33 | p90x | I don't use linux vm. |
| 18:39.51 | p90x | I never have worked in linux vm. So I had to break it and reinstall all these years. |
| 18:40.00 | jhutchins | p90x: Basic hardware support in Linux is well established and has been stable for a couple of decades. |
| 18:40.19 | p90x | I know, I'm just not a vm person............ |
| 18:40.31 | SerajewelKS | even LVM-snapshotting your base install would be a better solution than what you're proposing |
| 18:40.32 | p90x | I inherently don't like using them. |
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| 18:40.51 | jasabelle | why not? |
| 18:40.57 | jhutchins | p90x: If you don't use them, how do you know? Also, how are vms relevant to this discussion? |
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| 18:41.27 | p90x | Yeah, I don't know about true backup solutions to my linux. I would assume many of you have used linux vm to learn linux. |
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| 18:42.19 | p90x | I used Linux as a base for my computer and it's kinda fucked up when it's all you have and you break it on purpose. |
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| 18:42.27 | jhutchins | p90x: No, most of us used dual-boot if anything. Vms were not available when I learned it. |
| 18:42.48 | jhutchins | p90x: I've been pure linux since 2006. |
| 18:43.16 | p90x | Dual booting is also a nice option but it always gets messed up when you do it alone. I just got into it around 2015. I'm not the best and code is junk. |
| 18:43.17 | jasabelle | linux in a vm isnt that different from linux on bm, esp if you're in a terminal |
| 18:43.24 | SerajewelKS | p90x: one solution is to install into an LVM logical volume instead of a raw partition, and leave 20-30% of the VG free |
| 18:43.35 | SerajewelKS | p90x: then when you're about to do something you know will probably break your install, create a snapshot volume |
| 18:43.47 | SerajewelKS | p90x: then later you can merge the snapshot back into the base volume to revert all of the changes since the snapshot was taken |
| 18:43.56 | p90x | Right, that makes more sense than an external drive. |
| 18:44.03 | SerajewelKS | p90x: also, daily backups using something like restic or borg would be more helpful than what you're proposing with the installer |
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| 18:44.56 | p90x | That's really helpful! Thank you. But I wanted to get something else up and running with Windows. |
| 18:44.57 | telmac | I installed slack, when I try to log in there's a sign in button that opens the browser |
| 18:45.13 | telmac | once I log in there, I get a little xdg-open popup... and then it like opens a new chrome window |
| 18:45.17 | SerajewelKS | !slackware |
| 18:45.17 | dpkg | i guess slackware is a distribution made by Patrick. http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/slackware.jpg . http://www.slackware.com/ ##slackware on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:45.18 | p90x | It's a good conversation though. I'm really glad I came here. |
| 18:45.35 | telmac | no, slack the chat software |
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| 18:45.38 | jasabelle | i think they mean the chat thing |
| 18:45.40 | SerajewelKS | oh heh |
| 18:45.44 | jhutchins | SerajewelKS: Slack is a chat client popular in business these days. |
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| 18:46.09 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins: yeah i know what slack is but my brain resolved it as slackware this time since it's in linux mode at the moment |
| 18:46.11 | jhutchins | Everybody pile on SerajewelKS |
| 18:46.22 | p90x | You can natively run windows applications in lunix but at the cost of what? Why is it not ideal? |
| 18:46.28 | jhutchins | SerajewelKS: Yeah, that occurred to me at first too. |
| 18:46.45 | jhutchins | p90x: Because linux isn't windows. |
| 18:47.06 | annadane | you can use WINE |
| 18:47.08 | p90x | Sorry. I'm noob~ |
| 18:47.18 | jhutchins | p90x: Because many windows programs take advantage of flaws in how windows works, and those flaws aren't emulated under systems like wine. |
| 18:47.35 | annadane | and then if wine breaks you can whine about wine |
| 18:47.43 | annadane | is contributing nothing |
| 18:48.01 | BCMM | SerajewelKS: i resolved it as "slax", the modular live cd that *used to be* based on slackware but is apparently debian-based now |
| 18:48.09 | jhutchins | Far better to find OS alternatives to do what you need. |
| 18:48.32 | p90x | I heard Windows 10 can run linux codes. |
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| 18:49.00 | SerajewelKS | p90x: there is a windows subsystem based on ubuntu, IIRC |
| 18:49.09 | jhutchins | p90x: They have "services for linux", which can install a linux base similar to cygwin. |
| 18:49.22 | jhutchins | SerajewelKS: Yeah, subsystem, not services. |
| 18:49.25 | telmac | is there a way to find out like, when debian open |
| 18:49.26 | telmac | er |
| 18:49.31 | BCMM | jhutchins: wsl1 is somewhat like cygwin. wsl2 works by virtualisation |
| 18:49.38 | BCMM | jhutchins: (so there's an actual linux kernel involved now, apparently) |
| 18:49.47 | p90x | Cygwin had custom packages for it's installs. |
| 18:49.57 | telmac | when chrome tries to use xdg-open, that it will print that if I invoke it fromt he terminal |
| 18:49.57 | jasabelle | telmac⦠huh? |
| 18:49.59 | trek00 | cbthree: others had same problem on that hardware https://www.reddit.com/r/GalliumOS/comments/7xvivy/celes_samsung_chromebook_3_bugs_list/dukch23/ |
| 18:50.06 | mihi | wsl1 is more like wine but the other way round. Original Linux userland but a very rudimentary kernel emulation layer |
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| 18:50.23 | BCMM | p90x: downsides of running windows applications on linux: they're mostly proprietary applications, and some of them won't quite work properly. downsides of running linux applications on w10: you're still using windows 10, with all the surveillance, broken updates, random restarts, etc. |
| 18:50.43 | mihi | cygwin is recompiling Linux binaries to target the POSIX emulation API of Windows |
| 18:50.58 | BCMM | mihi: that's not correct. cygwin has it's own posix translation |
| 18:51.01 | jhutchins | There are some low level things like networking and DNS that you don't have access to running under wsl. |
| 18:51.10 | SerajewelKS | p90x: another issue running windows stuff on linux is that a wine update can break support for programs. (though you can use source installs to stick to a specific version) |
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| 18:51.22 | BCMM | mihi: it doesn't depend on either sfu or wsl |
| 18:51.33 | p90x | Man, there is no middle ground in computing. Where is that all in one? |
| 18:51.45 | jasabelle | vm's :) |
| 18:51.47 | jhutchins | p90x: Pure linux. |
| 18:51.55 | p90x | I guess so. |
| 18:52.16 | p90x | Cool peeps~ You're alright. |
| 18:52.25 | SerajewelKS | p90x: aside from some windows-only games, i haven't needed to run windows in decades |
| 18:52.26 | mihi | BCMM: ok, their own posix translation API, directly going to NTDLL so you can do nasty stuff like deleting the current working directory of a Win32 process :) |
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| 18:53.12 | mihi | (my point was that it is bypassing the Win32 subsystem and its checks) |
| 18:53.27 | p90x | Now how do you kill it? |
| 18:53.33 | BCMM | mihi: cool, i didn't know it was independent of win32 |
| 18:53.50 | p90x | Too many viruses around here! |
| 18:54.00 | SerajewelKS | p90x: kill what |
| 18:54.22 | p90x | Eating up system32\\\ |
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| 18:54.27 | trek00 | p90x: Universal Virus Platform (tm) :D |
| 18:54.28 | BCMM | mihi: do you have a source for that? it seems like an... interesting way of doing thigns |
| 18:54.31 | p90x | I don't care~ |
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| 18:54.45 | jhutchins | We seem to have wandered way astray of Debian Support here, perhaps time to move to -offtopic? |
| 18:54.53 | BCMM | i always thought it was basically just posix, implemented in userspace on top of win32 |
| 18:54.54 | p90x | Probs |
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| 18:55.22 | p90x | Have fun, peeps!!!! |
| 18:55.32 | p90x | And thanks for the help. |
| 18:55.58 | mihi | BCMM: Run dependency walker against cygwin1.dll and observer it imports functions from NTDLL.DLL bypassing KERNEL32.DLL. NTDLL.DLL is intended to be called only by subsystem implementors (e.g. OS/2 subsystem or POSIX subsystem or Linux Subsystem). |
| 18:56.13 | mihi | *observe |
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| 18:57.36 | mihi | BCMM: A very good source for things like that is https://books.google.de/books?isbn=0735637962, unfortunately that is a dead tree book and not available for free :( |
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| 19:00.40 | Bushmills | must google that funny term "windows" |
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| 19:03.48 | mihi | trying to get on-topic again: Does anybody know what happens to goodbye-microsoft.com (run Debian installer from within Windows)? |
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| 19:05.32 | epsilon | is it possible to enable/disable number block on keyboard in shell, so the virtually pressing the NUM-key? |
| 19:06.19 | Bushmills | mihi, that one: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/tools/win32-loader/stable/win32-loader.txt ? |
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| 19:07.21 | trek00 | epsilon: may be this will help you https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Activating_Numlock_on_Bootup#Console |
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| 19:08.17 | mihi | Bushmills, yes that one, but with a nice domain behind it. Apparently whoever had registered it did not want to pay for it any more...? |
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| 19:09.04 | jhutchins | The only reason I an think of to run an installer from windows is that you're locked out of boot options and can't just run it natively. |
| 19:09.21 | Bushmills | ah, the domain. parked, it seems. |
| 19:09.24 | jhutchins | That seems to be unlikely to work, as how would you then boot to the new install. |
| 19:09.54 | epsilon | trek00: package numlockx does exaclty what I need, thx!! |
| 19:10.19 | trek00 | jhutchins: may be no external drives? like a broken dvd and missing boot option for usb drives |
| 19:13.53 | Bushmills | most BIOSses one can set initial numlock state, no extra packages needed |
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| 19:14.24 | trek00 | Bushmills: they don't get a reset at linux boot? |
| 19:14.37 | Bushmills | really? never noticed |
| 19:15.01 | trek00 | Bushmills: i think it's because of virtual terminals |
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| 19:18.20 | Troyka | E ae Tchurma |
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| 19:35.42 | ZaZaGX | lshw doesn't work |
| 19:37.10 | rant | maybe its depressed, doesn't like its job.. having an existential crisis |
| 19:37.18 | rant | ,file bin/lshw |
| 19:37.24 | judd | Search for bin/lshw in buster/amd64: lshw: usr/bin/lshw |
| 19:37.38 | rant | ,i lshw |
| 19:37.39 | judd | Package lshw (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: information about hardware configuration. Version: 02.18.85-0.1; Size: 248.4k; Installed: 763k; Homepage: https://github.com/lyonel/lshw; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/lshw |
| 19:38.21 | jhutchins | Not installed by deault. |
| 19:38.51 | ZaZaGX | oh ic |
| 19:38.57 | ZaZaGX | i probably need to install it than |
| 19:39.12 | jhutchins | ZaZaGX: If you want to run it, yes. |
| 19:39.18 | ZaZaGX | or how do i know if i plug in my wifi adaptor? |
| 19:39.37 | jhutchins | ZaZaGX: How do you not know if you do something? |
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| 19:40.16 | ZaZaGX | i was looking for an alternative |
| 19:40.23 | ZaZaGX | used to doing lshw |
| 19:40.45 | jhutchins | ZaZaGX: lspci, lsusb |
| 19:41.01 | rant | ls[tab][tab] |
| 19:41.11 | rant | lscpu, lspci, lsusb, lsblk, etc.. |
| 19:41.41 | Bushmills | lstopo |
| 19:41.43 | ZaZaGX | yeah i tried lsblk earlier. not sure if it picked it up |
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| 19:41.52 | Bushmills | (from hwloc) |
| 19:42.23 | jhutchins | ZaZaGX: I would expect lsblk to list block devices. |
| 19:43.00 | rant | dmidecode is also nice |
| 19:43.11 | ZaZaGX | thanks |
| 19:43.14 | ZaZaGX | i need to go |
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| 20:05.55 | doughy | has anyone been able to change the interface names to something you choose using udev in buster? |
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| 20:08.50 | rant | why stop there, why not say on a tuesday, while standing on your head wearing one sock.. heh.. or y'know just ask how to make a custom interface name |
| 20:09.38 | SerajewelKS | doughy: i believe the correct way in buster is using systemd .link units |
| 20:09.49 | Bushmills | doughy: yes |
| 20:10.09 | doughy | can you help me out bushmills? I've been trying since last night |
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| 20:10.51 | doughy | systemd .link units |
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| 20:10.55 | doughy | do tell |
| 20:11.22 | Bushmills | http://snap.scarydevilmonastery.net/stn8 |
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| 20:12.18 | Bushmills | i didn't use systemd because systemd scares me |
| 20:12.21 | doughy | I've followed those instructions and can get my interfaces named the old way (eth0, eth1, etc) but I want my interfaces to be named something I choose (lan0, wan0) |
| 20:12.38 | doughy | systemd fails to start when I change the interface names |
| 20:13.21 | trek00 | doughy: fails with what message? |
| 20:15.12 | rant | doughy: are you using systemd-networkd or network-manager? |
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| 20:16.42 | doughy | restarting networking (via systemctl): networking.serviceJob for networking serivce failed |
| 20:17.51 | rant | doughy: the systemd .link file method is to create a file like /etc/systemd/network/80-lan.link with [Match] \n MACAddress=00:00:00:00:00:00 \n [Link] \n Name=lan and you'll probably need to update-initramfs -u and then reboot |
| 20:18.33 | rant | doughy: if that method should work for you in buster, let us know.. and if you are using network manager or systemd-networkd or such |
| 20:18.47 | doughy | I believe it's systemd |
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| 20:19.02 | rant | debian doesn not use networkd by default |
| 20:19.27 | doughy | what is the default? |
| 20:19.47 | Mechanoid | SYSTEMD SUCKS SO MUCH BALLS THAT MAGIC MIKE MADE IT!!!!! AND WHEN I SAY THIS I AM TOTALLY NOT LYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 20:20.01 | doughy | I don't like it either mechanoid |
| 20:20.18 | doughy | too much confusion |
| 20:20.32 | rant | if you have a DE installed its usually network-manager or wicd depending on which desktop, but if not, then there is nothing doing it.. its just old fashioned init script style crap.. ifupdown afaik |
| 20:20.37 | doughy | make something that works, make it simple and stick with it |
| 20:21.15 | trek00 | doughy: may be it works in a parallel universe.. |
| 20:21.26 | doughy | lol |
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| 20:21.28 | rant | but I know there was a serious bug in systemd's networkd recently and debian wasn't affected cause we don't use it |
| 20:21.33 | doughy | send me to that parellel universe in that case |
| 20:21.38 | trek00 | ;) |
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| 20:22.31 | trek00 | doughy: let's check if you are using network-manager, at shell do: dpkg -l | grep network-manager |
| 20:23.04 | doughy | it is using network-manager |
| 20:23.10 | doughy | at least that's installed |
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| 20:23.40 | ZaZaGX | hi |
| 20:23.42 | SerajewelKS | network-manager isn't in charge of _naming_ the interface, though |
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| 20:23.55 | SerajewelKS | doughy: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.link.html |
| 20:23.59 | trek00 | doughy: i don't use it, but it should have logs somewhere.. (may be /var/log?) |
| 20:24.27 | trek00 | SerajewelKS: not, but when interface got renamed, network-manager fails to start |
| 20:24.30 | crestfallen | hi I have this cool tool to paste files directly from the cli. it's called ptpb.pw . I just reinstalled curl but it doesn't work now. also another one called sprunge.us is returning html code and won't generate the url. any other options along these lines? thanks |
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| 20:24.55 | doughy | Serajewalks: I'll look at that and let you know if it works |
| 20:24.58 | doughy | thanks for the help |
| 20:25.04 | crestfallen | or I'm I missing something (fresh reinstall of curl just now) |
| 20:26.33 | trek00 | crestfallen: https://github.com/ptpb/pb/issues/246 |
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| 20:27.49 | trek00 | crestfallen: https://github.com/rupa/sprunge/issues/45 |
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| 20:28.47 | karlpinc | !pastebinit |
| 20:28.47 | dpkg | A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg 2>&1 | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 20:29.43 | crestfallen | trek00, thanks! checking those |
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| 20:30.10 | trek00 | crestfallen: check pastebinit as karlpinc said |
| 20:30.28 | crestfallen | karlpinc, thanks as well |
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| 20:31.17 | doughy | is it possible to configure an interface with a specific name by configuring and installing a new kernel? |
| 20:31.22 | yetoo | I'm getting an error saying gpg couldn't validate the relase when using win32-loader.exe |
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| 20:32.05 | trek00 | doughy: it seems the issue is @ network-manager level, not kernel |
| 20:34.50 | crestfallen | karlpinc, any way to tweak that app to just have numbered file without all the debian stuff ? |
| 20:35.05 | crestfallen | like raw file |
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| 20:36.23 | trek00 | doughy: with network-manager it seems a little bit complicated https://www.thegeekdiary.com/how-to-set-a-custom-interface-name-with-networkmanager-in-centos-rhel-7/ |
| 20:37.35 | crestfallen | thanks scratch that it looks fine karlpinc |
| 20:38.22 | at0m | doughy: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ |
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| 20:38.52 | trek00 | at0m: he asked for a custom interface name, not the predictable one |
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| 20:39.26 | at0m | "interface with a specific name" couldn't make that up |
| 20:39.52 | trek00 | at0m: sorry, the conversation started before |
| 20:40.04 | ZaZaGX | how do i copy and paste a file as root in /etc/ ? |
| 20:40.19 | at0m | trek00: ok i'm late to the party indeed |
| 20:40.55 | hypn0 | ZaZaGX: sudo <filemanager> ? |
| 20:41.02 | at0m | ouch |
| 20:41.09 | trek00 | ZaZaGX: sudo cp -i /path/to/file /etc |
| 20:41.10 | ZaZaGX | i can't do sudo in debian 10, i can only do su |
| 20:41.35 | ZaZaGX | oh ok |
| 20:41.44 | trek00 | ZaZaGX: su - (su space minus) and then cp -i /path/to/file /etc |
| 20:41.54 | at0m | don't do graphical stuff as root anyhow, root has no business on desktop IMO |
| 20:42.14 | trek00 | ZaZaGX: then remember to exit from su if you don't want type others commands as root |
| 20:42.48 | at0m | often, to preserve file permissions in /etc/, as root (su - indeed) i cat /path/to/edited/file > /etc/dest/file |
| 20:43.12 | at0m | that prevents changing permissions on /etc/dest/file |
| 20:43.40 | trek00 | ZaZaGX: if dest file already exist, at0m answer is better |
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| 20:44.09 | at0m | and even cp /etc/dest/file /etc/dest/file.bak first |
| 20:44.35 | ZaZaGX | okay thanks it works |
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| 20:50.10 | ZaZaGX | great |
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| 20:50.23 | ZaZaGX | i can't make a damn directory in the /etc |
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| 20:51.08 | ZaZaGX | oh nvm, i got it |
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| 21:08.11 | yetoo | anybody knows how to resolve downloaded release file could not be trusted error with win32-loader.exe |
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| 21:10.03 | Bushmills | deleting the untrusted file should help |
| 21:10.32 | yetoo | it deletes itself after the install is aborted |
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| 21:11.13 | Bushmills | self destroying untrusted installers. interesting. "leave no evident traces" |
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| 21:13.32 | GigaFlow | guys, I updated yesterday and now I have about 450 packages that "can be updated" but "didn't updated" |
| 21:14.31 | Bushmills | how did you try to update? apt? apt-get? aptitude? |
| 21:14.36 | GigaFlow | apt |
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| 21:14.48 | coruja | which debian release? |
| 21:14.56 | ZaZaGX | how do i copy a .dat file into /etc folder as root? |
| 21:15.03 | Bushmills | try aptitude for it's conflict handling capabilities |
| 21:15.28 | Bushmills | may be more evident what happens, and will give you choices how to deal with it |
| 21:15.36 | GigaFlow | yesterday it was 9, now - dunno |
| 21:15.52 | coruja | GigaFlow, can we see your sources.list? |
| 21:15.56 | Bushmills | what distro is that, btw? |
| 21:16.07 | Habbie | ZaZaGX, 'sudo cp', but why do you want this? |
| 21:16.08 | Bushmills | buster doesn't have 450 upgradable packages |
| 21:16.09 | GigaFlow | I just switched every "stretch" to "buster" and started upgrading |
| 21:16.14 | coruja | i guess it's a stretch->buster problem |
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| 21:16.23 | GigaFlow | also I had several "already in the package, so no isntallation" |
| 21:16.45 | coruja | GigaFlow, and paste the complete apt output please |
| 21:16.48 | Bushmills | did you apt full-upgrade ? |
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| 21:17.20 | GigaFlow | sorry, it's on another machine |
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| 21:17.55 | GigaFlow | should I duplicate sources/list entries with "stretch"? |
| 21:18.57 | Bushmills | you change to buster, apt update, apt full-upgrade |
| 21:19.00 | coruja | if you want to upgrade to buster, replace every 'stretch' with 'buster' in your sources.list |
| 21:19.23 | Bushmills | then you pray |
| 21:19.25 | trek00 | yetoo: may be it has uefi secure boot enabled? |
| 21:20.04 | yetoo | it does, however I don't see how the gpg key can fail from that |
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| 21:20.50 | trek00 | yetoo: at which point it fails? it boots linux? |
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| 21:21.44 | ZaZaGX | ah oh, it says no such File or directory |
| 21:21.53 | yetoo | at the very beginning when still booted into windows and starts downloading the files needed for installation, it fails when it tries to validate the release file |
| 21:22.02 | ZaZaGX | cp: cannot stat |
| 21:23.28 | Habbie | ZaZaGX, you haven't answered "why" and you're also not giving us enough information to debug your cp error |
| 21:24.04 | ZaZaGX | need to install wifi drivers for new wifi adapter |
| 21:24.58 | ZaZaGX | http://www.pandawireless.com/download/PWUsersManual4Linux_v1.0s.pdf |
| 21:25.27 | ZaZaGX | i'm on the end of 2) |
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| 21:27.57 | ZaZaGX | # cp -i /etc/RT287OSTA.dat /etc/Wirless/RT287OSTA/RT287OSTA.dat |
| 21:27.58 | ZaZaGX | cp: cannot stat '/etc/RT287OSTA.dat': No such file or directory |
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| 21:28.09 | Bushmills | support for rt2870 is in firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 21:31.14 | trek00 | yetoo: may be win32-loader is bugged, as i found similar reports, is possible to install via usb/cd/dvd on your computer? |
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| 21:31.36 | maxrazer | Has anyone tried the "surf" browser/package? It just crashes when you try to go to any address. |
| 21:33.23 | yetoo | Yes, I'm trying to test its behavior, I'm trying to modify it so that it can install freebsd instead of debian and trying to get a grasp of how it functions, but its fine if it doesn't work now |
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| 21:34.53 | trek00 | yetoo: i don't know what to check, may be debian signing keys are outdated, or the call to gpg is broken.. |
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| 21:43.28 | yetoo | I used the installer earlier this year to install 32 bit version of debian on a computer with Windows XP that had issues booting from cd and usb. Except that I used a usb rather than the lone executable. The release of the executable is from January 17th 2019, so maybe that has to do with it, but the thing is Release and Release.gpg are in the same directory at https://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/ (the installer looks at |
| 21:43.28 | yetoo | http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/ for the base url (yes I've tried using the former url)) |
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| 21:48.35 | trek00 | yetoo: it seems debian signing keys are embedded in win32-loader and last debian-archive-keyring was updated on 2019-04-23, may be this is the issue, but you should check at the source |
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| 21:59.52 | trek00 | yetoo: may be simpler than I thought: if you rebuild the package (dpkg-buildpackage) it should dowload updated version of the keyring: if this is the issue, please to submit a bug report to debian |
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| 22:14.50 | KjetilK | I'm seeing some pretty scary errors in my dmesg during dist-upgrade to buster... Suddenly, the upgrade saying that a file in /etc was on a read only file system, and indeed, the filesystem was remounted ro after an error, and it looks pretty serious: https://pastebin.com/jCkQzHBV |
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| 22:15.44 | KjetilK | the SSD that contains the LVM which has the root file system is gone... /dev/sda isn't there anymore... |
| 22:16.05 | tarzeau | even after a reboot? |
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| 22:16.16 | KjetilK | I haven't deared to reboot yet... |
| 22:16.17 | tarzeau | is it an intel ssd? i know why i don't want ssd :) |
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| 22:16.30 | tarzeau | i've had 14 intel ssd that needed firmware upgrade... |
| 22:16.34 | KjetilK | I don't remember if it is an SSD |
| 22:16.34 | tarzeau | KjetilK: got a backup? |
| 22:16.37 | KjetilK | ouch |
| 22:16.39 | KjetilK | yeah |
| 22:17.01 | KjetilK | and I have new disks that I intended to insert after the upgrade, so no crisis |
| 22:17.08 | tarzeau | if you dare to power off, check if the sata/power cables are in properly on both sides |
| 22:17.18 | tarzeau | and if it boots. with empty /lost+found |
| 22:17.23 | KjetilK | but I like the fast bootup time that SSD provides |
| 22:17.41 | tarzeau | i just keep all computers running 24/7, even faster than any boot up time :) |
| 22:17.54 | KjetilK | I'm actually surprised the box is still running |
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| 22:18.14 | tarzeau | it's all in memory what's needed/important? |
| 22:18.29 | KjetilK | yeah, this box is always on, but I like it to come quickly up after a power failure or kernel upgrade :-) |
| 22:18.30 | tarzeau | KjetilK: try a find / :) and monitor dmesg output :) |
| 22:18.51 | KjetilK | mmmmm |
| 22:19.18 | KjetilK | I did a du |
| 22:19.38 | KjetilK | not pretty |
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| 22:20.44 | KjetilK | oh, well, I guess I just have to turn it off, check the cables and try again... |
| 22:21.34 | KjetilK | not a good thing since it happened as apt was setting up stuff too... There's probably a lot that isn't in a consistent state |
| 22:22.27 | tarzeau | stuff break much more often while in use than when they lay around powered off |
| 22:22.37 | KjetilK | true |
| 22:23.09 | KjetilK | it was the root file system that failed, /home and /var is on a different RAID array |
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| 22:23.43 | KjetilK | worst that could happen is that I have to install buster from scratch |
| 22:24.13 | trek00 | KjetilK: try another sata cable too |
| 22:24.19 | KjetilK | nods |
| 22:24.34 | tarzeau | trek00: i've never seen a broken sata cable |
| 22:25.01 | tarzeau | i've seen broken power cables, video cables, ethernetcables, and lightning usb cables of apple (MANY of them) |
| 22:25.10 | trek00 | tarzeau: you are lucky ;) |
| 22:25.37 | CrystalMath | how do i tell apt to reinstall a package AND write its configuration files into /etc? |
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| 22:26.16 | tarzeau | CrystalMath: if it's some "smart" thing in a post/pre install/removal script, the only way is to remove purge the config file, and manually clean up rest |
| 22:27.01 | jmcnaught | !confnew |
| 22:27.01 | dpkg | [confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>. See also <confmiss>. |
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| 22:27.58 | CrystalMath | tarzeau: i see, yeah |
| 22:28.15 | tarzeau | CrystalMath: which package? |
| 22:29.28 | CrystalMath | tor |
| 22:29.36 | CrystalMath | i lost /etc/tor/torrc |
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| 22:30.24 | trek00 | CrystalMath: you can unpack debian package and copymanually to /etc |
| 22:31.05 | jmcnaught | !confmiss |
| 22:31.06 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 22:31.15 | jmcnaught | CrystalMath: ^ try that |
| 22:31.23 | trek00 | CrystalMath: dpkg -x tor.deb; cp -ia etc/tor/torrc /etc/tor |
| 22:31.49 | CrystalMath | what i ended up doing was dpkg --purge and then installing it again |
| 22:31.58 | CrystalMath | it worked |
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| 22:46.05 | KjetilK | aaaargggh! My SSD is definitly dead. Diseased. Pining for the fjords... |
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| 22:46.45 | trek00 | KjetilK: after how much time of work? |
| 22:46.48 | KjetilK | it is not detected by the BIOS either, changed cables, checked power |
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| 22:47.32 | dvs | KjetilK, it's just resting... X-D |
| 22:47.43 | joepublic | lovely plumage, innit. |
| 22:48.09 | KjetilK | trek00: I had a little bit of work on it to reduce one partition and resize the root partition earlier today, but in all probably not more than an hour, but it is also going to take some work to get the setup right after installation |
| 22:48.50 | joepublic | I have a disturbing number of SSDs that will not work attached to the sata controller on a motherboard nor in a laptop but work perfectly in my USB3 SATA cradle. |
| 22:48.50 | KjetilK | no, it has definitly gone to meet its maker |
| 22:48.55 | trek00 | KjetilK: sorry for my english, i would know the age of this drive |
| 22:49.09 | KjetilK | which was Toshiba, BTW; not Intel :-) |
| 22:49.30 | KjetilK | trek00: ah, OK, hmmm, I don't remember, but has been some years |
| 22:50.55 | dvs | That's one reason I'm so hesitent about using SSD: they die all of a sudden. |
| 22:51.04 | trek00 | KjetilK: at least you have saved his soul with a backup |
| 22:51.25 | joepublic | there is no period of time where you say "oh, darn, that sounds like the click of death; I better back up essentials and replace the device" |
| 22:51.59 | trek00 | joepublic: it seems raid is even more useful with ssd |
| 22:52.26 | KjetilK | mmmm |
| 22:52.37 | dvs | joepublic, true but there's usually some indication that something is wrong like an usual sound or errors in the console. |
| 22:52.39 | KjetilK | actually, it is the first that I have had fail on me |
| 22:53.02 | KjetilK | not that I have had that many |
| 22:53.07 | joepublic | errors in /var/log/kern.log are usually what I see, yeah |
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| 22:57.30 | CrystalMath | why is the tor arm package empty?? |
| 22:58.06 | tarzeau | CrystalMath: it's not? https://packages.debian.org/buster/tor |
| 22:58.12 | tarzeau | CrystalMath: they all show up with 3-5 mb |
| 22:58.19 | CrystalMath | tor-arm |
| 22:58.23 | CrystalMath | sorry :P |
| 22:58.30 | tarzeau | it's just a transitional-package |
| 22:58.35 | CrystalMath | oh |
| 22:58.41 | CrystalMath | to what? |
| 22:58.44 | CrystalMath | ah, nyx |
| 22:58.46 | CrystalMath | new name |
| 22:58.56 | tarzeau | yep |
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| 23:00.19 | clturfu | :) |
| 23:00.21 | clturfu | hello |
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| 23:12.07 | bonux | Help me install dwm from source please. |
| 23:13.02 | rant | bonux: why? |
| 23:13.14 | rant | ,v dwm |
| 23:13.15 | judd | Package: dwm on amd64 -- jessie: 6.0-7; stretch: 6.1-3; bullseye: 6.1-5; buster: 6.1-5; sid: 6.1-5 |
| 23:14.03 | bonux | Yeah i thought the same, before i realize my config is for dwm 6.2 and can't be applied on 6.1 |
| 23:14.15 | rant | ah.. I see |
| 23:14.56 | bonux | And the problem is that after selecting it in login manager, it just return's me back, i settup .desktop file i make installed it just as before. But it wont launch |
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| 23:15.21 | Rojola | hi |
| 23:15.27 | Rojola | when is the end of life of Debian 8.7 ? |
| 23:16.23 | Habbie | Rojola, this might help https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 23:16.47 | Rojola | thank you Habbie |
| 23:16.57 | rant | bonux: have you tried running it manually? |
| 23:17.42 | bonux | yeah, i even deleted gdm3 and tried to startx |
| 23:17.57 | rant | bonux: so what happens when you try start it manually? |
| 23:17.57 | trek00 | bonux: to recompile it you need at first to install build-dependencies, then unpack the source and run the commands from the README: usually ./configure && make |
| 23:18.12 | rant | trek00: sounds like they already did all that |
| 23:18.32 | rant | and they're trying to build from upstream, not recompile |
| 23:18.47 | trek00 | rant: thanks |
| 23:18.49 | rant | upstream is 6.2 released this year, we have 6.1 releast in 2015 |
| 23:21.27 | bonux | trek00: I already have all dependencies, dwm doesn't come with ./configure script |
| 23:21.59 | trek00 | bonux: may be the hardcoded paths are wrong? debian rules calls make PREFIX=/usr |
| 23:21.59 | jasabelle | do you have to generate it? |
| 23:23.19 | trek00 | bonux: you can try a thing that I usually do but it does not right always: copy the debian directory (from the debian source package) to the source directory of the new version and then use dpkg-buildpackage |
| 23:23.21 | jasabelle | is there a Makefile already? |
| 23:23.40 | bonux | jaseballe: yes |
| 23:23.55 | trek00 | jasabelle: it there already -> https://salsa.debian.org/hle/dwm |
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| 23:33.34 | bonux | trek00: it aborts due to undexpected upstream changes. |
| 23:34.09 | KjetilK | does buster support installing directly to a btrfs raid1? |
| 23:34.34 | trek00 | bonux: try to delete the debian/patches directory |
| 23:34.45 | rant | KjetilK: technically, yes |
| 23:35.30 | KjetilK | rant, so I don't have to go through first installing on a single, and then add the other disk? |
| 23:36.03 | rant | KjetilK: no, it supports both raid and btrfs.. and if you have a raid it shouldn't see two disks |
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| 23:36.50 | bonux | trek00: Okay it compiled what's next? |
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| 23:37.02 | KjetilK | rant: yeah, but does it set up the raid1 for me in the installer? |
| 23:37.44 | rant | KjetilK: you /can/ configure raid in the installer, sure.. but a real raid wouldnt be configurable that way, it would present to the OS as a single disk |
| 23:38.17 | rant | the installers partitioner does raid, lvm, encryption, all that |
| 23:38.28 | KjetilK | rant: yeah, but I'm not talking about an mdadm-managed raid, but a btrfs raid, which isn't really the same thing |
| 23:38.30 | trek00 | has btrfs an internal raid1? |
| 23:38.54 | rant | KjetilK: ah.. |
| 23:38.56 | KjetilK | trek00: yeah, kinda, it just has multiple copies of blocks |
| 23:39.06 | trek00 | bonux: you should have a new dwm*.deb in the parent directory |
| 23:39.22 | KjetilK | so, one used to have to do this: https://danielpocock.com/install-debian-directly-with-btrfs-raid1/ |
| 23:39.50 | KjetilK | not much of a detour, but if the installer could do it, it'd be great :-) |
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| 23:40.00 | bonux | trek00: Thank you i will try it out. |
| 23:40.19 | trek00 | KjetilK: what about an ext4 root and then you will manually configure btrfs for the other partitions? |
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| 23:41.57 | KjetilK | I had a chat with the people on #btrfs about that, and by doing that, one cannot exploit the snapshotting feature |
| 23:42.22 | trek00 | KjetilK: according to https://wiki.debian.org/Btrfs#Status The DebianInstaller can format and install to single-disk Btrfs volumes, but does not yet support multi-disk btrfs volumes nor subvolume creation (Bug #686097). |
| 23:42.23 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/686097 in partman-btrfs (open): «Can't make btrfs raid1 from installer»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-08-28; last modified: 2016-09-11. |
| 23:42.44 | rant | trek00: note the dates |
| 23:42.46 | KjetilK | with the SSD setup I had, I would have sacrificed that, but now that the whole thing will be on my new disks, I might as well have root on it |
| 23:43.01 | KjetilK | right! |
| 23:43.04 | rant | KjetilK: I am looking into it in a VM.. I only tried installing to btrfs once a year or so ago.. |
| 23:43.31 | KjetilK | Anyway, I'll go with just installing it in single mode and then upgrade |
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| 23:47.07 | maxrazer | Does anyone know why dwm's termcmd command wouldn't work if I change the terminal from "st" to "urxvt"? |
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| 23:48.02 | swift110 | hey all |
| 23:49.47 | trek00 | maxrazer: may be the commandline is not compatible? urxvt is not 100% xterm compatible |
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| 23:50.02 | rant | KjetilK: so this is not what you're talking about.. a software raid 1 with a btrfs volume? https://imgur.com/a/Tmaa25f |
| 23:50.15 | maxrazer | trek00: Not sure about that. The terminal just won't launch. |
| 23:50.35 | maxrazer | It luanches but not with the modshift-enter key |
| 23:50.49 | maxrazer | And my mod key is working. |
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| 23:55.00 | trek00 | maxrazer: i never used dwm, but reading the source it calls the terminal without parameters, so my guess wasn't true |
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