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| 15:45.41 | JyZyXEL | that article is not very up to date |
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| 15:46.40 | JyZyXEL | not using lvreduce -r and leaving a arbitrary "safety buffer" |
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| 15:51.29 | netcrash | Clonezilla is debian based, any idea on how to upgrade the kernel used by clonezilla to boot the menu? I have very recent machines and the kernel does not boot from them. |
| 15:51.35 | Crapoto | Hello guys. I'm gonna reinstall an old asus eeepc, i would like to install a very light debian based OS. Should I install Debian and LXQt or should i look to something like SparkyLinux ? |
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| 15:52.27 | BCMM | i'm not really clear on what sparkylinux adds... |
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| 15:52.46 | sybatwo | is there a specific "apt-get" channel ? |
| 15:52.47 | rant | knows what it subtracts and that rules it out for me |
| 15:52.57 | BCMM | "fast, lightweight and fully customizable OS which offers a few versions for different users and different tasks" describes debian pretty well... |
| 15:53.05 | BCMM | rant: what does it subtract? |
| 15:53.15 | rant | BCMM: debian support and community :P |
| 15:53.31 | Crapoto | So, i'll install Debian :) |
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| 15:53.59 | BCMM | actually i'm genuinely confused by this - there features list doesn't seem to make any effort to distinguish it from plain debian |
| 15:54.04 | BCMM | ^their |
| 15:54.44 | BCMM | i don't *think* it's just "debian, except we're in charge of it", but they should at least address that concern a bit... |
| 15:55.00 | rant | I tend to think that about most derivitives.. their key distinguishing feature is typically, loss of the debian community and support, for no real benefit |
| 15:55.53 | rant | ubuntu and devaun are the only two I can think of that have really changed something somewhat significant.. |
| 15:56.46 | rant | and I'm not really impressed by either of them.. heh.. just can see reasons why they diverged |
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| 15:57.01 | greycat | There are a couple where the focus is "we're adding these haxx0r packages, and we'll support those, but for any other question, we want our users to go bother #debian instead of us" |
| 15:57.21 | greycat | But #debian is not going to support those users. |
| 15:57.51 | greycat | And most of them are completely unskilled script kiddie wannabes. |
| 15:59.31 | Crapoto | Is LXQt ligther than XFCE ? |
| 15:59.46 | greycat | Try them both and see. |
| 15:59.46 | rant | yeah well the community is the biggest advantage of debian in my opinion.. and none of the derivitives have that.. things like MX Linux only have forums, they dont even have half the resources we do.. Ubuntu has all that but its different.. they require registration just to file a bug report for example.. |
| 15:59.59 | rant | !de usage |
| 15:59.59 | dpkg | i heard de usage is The HDD/RAM usages of the 7 Stretch DE on amd64 VirtualBoxes with 1GB RAM / 32GB HDD are as follows as reported with only their terminals running df -Th and free -h: GNOME 4.2G 726M, KDE 4.1G 604M, Cinnamon 3.7G 482M, MATE 3.1G 215M, LXQt 3.1G 184M, LXDE 3.0G 180M, XFCE 2.9G 226M |
| 16:00.23 | greycat | rant: well, Ubuntu's target market is raw beginners, so I can't even *imagine* the kinds of questions they get |
| 16:00.40 | rant | Crapoto: I don't recommend LXDE or LXQT simply due to the use of wicd by default for network management.. its a steaming pile of shit |
| 16:00.46 | azeem | Ubuntu's target market is also enterprise servers |
| 16:00.50 | azeem | just saying |
| 16:00.50 | greycat | *snort* |
| 16:01.13 | Crapoto | Thank you, i'll stick to XFCE |
| 16:01.15 | greycat | that's like saying Gentoo targets enterprise servers because some Gentoo users installed it on their servers once |
| 16:01.29 | rant | yeah, I see both sides of that coin.. ubuntu appears not only more newbie friendly, but also very enterprise cause it has the appearance of being commercially backed with services like ubuntu one and such |
| 16:01.50 | rant | they make it look more like a commercial OS |
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| 16:03.00 | rant | Crapoto: personally I recommend MATE or Cinnamon above all of them.. but XFCE would be my 3rd recommendation.. but does that factoid I created help with your question? |
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| 16:03.52 | rant | I thought that information would be useful to some people, and if so, or additional details would be desired, I can update it for buster |
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| 16:04.47 | tp43_ | Hi, you some packages are docs, like I install libopenjfx-java-doc, but then where are the docs? |
| 16:05.05 | greycat | tp43_: dpkg -L pkgname will show you all the files it gave you |
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| 16:05.22 | greycat | also, when in doubt, you can start in /usr/share/doc/pkgname/ |
| 16:05.45 | tp43_ | greycat, thx |
| 16:06.07 | tp43_ | greycat /usr/share/doc/pkgname seems to just have copyright and changelog.Debian.gz |
| 16:06.35 | BCMM | Crapoto: it probably depends on the applications you use... if you often go and entire session without loading any qt applications, or conversely without loading any gtk applications, it would tip the balance in favour of the corresponding DE |
| 16:06.42 | BCMM | just because of shared libs |
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| 16:06.54 | BCMM | ^go for an entire session |
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| 16:14.45 | g0zzy | I haven't had X errors for a long time but this particular box with buster doesn't seem to handle the display properly with Mate. How can i find out why and get the desktop looking right? At the moment there's no panel at all showing |
| 16:15.48 | greycat | Look for firmware errors in dmesg, ponder whether you need to install some nvidia driver (or whether your chipset is even supported at all), look for the X log and the .xsession-errors files. |
| 16:16.07 | greycat | !xorg.0.log |
| 16:16.07 | dpkg | Xorg.0.log is in /var/log/ unless you are on stretch-or-later and running X as non-root. Then it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/ instead. |
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| 16:16.50 | g0zzy | No apparent firmware errors |
| 16:17.09 | alkisg | alt+ctrl+t gives you a terminal, mate-panel --replace restarts the panel, do you see any errors? |
| 16:17.48 | rant | g0zzy: sounds as though your display mode is misconfigured on the monitor... perhaps you need to trigger an auto-adjust feature to change the horizontal size |
| 16:18.27 | rant | many displays automatically remember geometry based on the display mode.. sounds like your mode is stretched beyond the bounds of the visible screen |
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| 16:19.03 | g0zzy | A lot of this in the X log: "Failed to get GBM bo for flip to new front" |
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| 16:19.58 | g0zzy | Followed by "present flip failed" |
| 16:20.15 | rant | tries to avoid mixing BMs and BO with technology problems |
| 16:20.34 | nixew | I'm trying to start Packet Tracer 7.2.1 and the only thing it says is "Starting Packet Tracer 7.2.1" and it ends doing anything afterwards. Any ideas what's wrong? |
| 16:20.43 | nixew | I'm using Debian 10.0 |
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| 16:21.06 | g0zzy | Replacing the panel didn't do anything to make one appear |
| 16:21.11 | rant | nixew: wtf is Packet Tracer 7.2.1? |
| 16:21.19 | rant | ,i wireshark |
| 16:21.21 | judd | Package wireshark (net, optional) in buster/amd64: network traffic analyzer - meta-package. Version: 2.6.8-1.1; Size: 49.0k; Installed: 63k; Homepage: http://www.wireshark.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/wireshark |
| 16:21.34 | g0zzy | I tried lower sized displace settings and still no panel appeared |
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| 16:21.52 | alkisg | g0zzy: so, what was the output of `mate-panel --replace` ? |
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| 16:22.31 | alkisg | g0zzy: also, can you pastebin the output of `xrandr` and of `lspci -nn -k | grep -A 3 VGA` ? |
| 16:22.36 | nixew | rant: can't you try a search engine to find out? Are you really asking me this? |
| 16:22.39 | g0zzy | I'll try it again to see |
| 16:23.17 | rant | nixew: are you really asking US this? Its proprietary software, you should be asking the people who wrote it |
| 16:24.25 | humpled | bof |
| 16:24.28 | rant | not only is it proprietary software, but seems to require enrollment to even access it.. so how am I suppose to support something I never heard of and cant get my hands on? |
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| 16:25.03 | g0zzy | lspci: http://paste.debian.net/1094471/ |
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| 16:27.05 | alkisg | g0zzy: this is fine; output of `xrandr` and `mate-panel --replace` ? |
| 16:27.10 | Bushmills | sounds like a case for strace |
| 16:27.42 | g0zzy | xrandr: http://paste.debian.net/1094474/ |
| 16:28.16 | alkisg | g0zzy: you have 2 monitors; mate-panel will only show up in one of them; are both of them powered on? |
| 16:28.43 | alkisg | E.g. it might be showing in the external HDMI-1 monitor, and you're expecting it to show up in LVDS-1... |
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| 16:29.05 | g0zzy | Ah i do have x11vnc running. Would that be it? There's only one physical monitor |
| 16:29.46 | rant | MATE will show the panel on the primary display which in this case is LVDS-1 |
| 16:30.24 | alkisg | g0zzy: the system thinks you have two. Try: xrandr --output HDMI-1 --same-as LVDS-1 |
| 16:30.31 | alkisg | or go to the control panel and make them clones |
| 16:30.46 | alkisg | This way you'll see if this is the problem or not, and later take care the problem of the "phantom display" |
| 16:30.47 | g0zzy | Perhaps i should decomplicate. I'll get rid of x11vnc |
| 16:30.53 | rant | that probably isn't possible, they are different aspects and resolutions |
| 16:31.01 | alkisg | x11vnc doesn't touch outputs |
| 16:31.18 | alkisg | rant: afaik it uses the biggest common one in that case |
| 16:31.36 | rant | a better diagnostic would probably be to disable the other output |
| 16:31.46 | alkisg | g0zzy: run this: mate-display-properties |
| 16:32.02 | g0zzy | mate-panel --replace hangs with no output |
| 16:32.03 | alkisg | This way it'll automatically revert if you disable the wrong display |
| 16:32.13 | alkisg | g0zzy: ok, this means it runs on the other panel |
| 16:32.17 | alkisg | *other display |
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| 16:32.41 | g0zzy | Anything i can do with ssh will help now as that box is elsewhere |
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| 16:32.51 | alkisg | g0zzy: fire up vnc again |
| 16:32.57 | rant | if the panel is at the top, and the smaller secondary display is oriented at 0 on the y axis, it should still be visible |
| 16:32.57 | g0zzy | OK |
| 16:32.58 | alkisg | It doesn't interfere |
| 16:33.30 | alkisg | g0zzy: wait.. isn't x11vnc showing you both displays? |
| 16:33.47 | alkisg | Maybe you have a bad client that only shows the secondary monitor? Which client are you using? |
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| 16:34.13 | rant | g0zzy: I find x2go to be far better solution for full desktop and xpra to be better for individual apps |
| 16:34.32 | rant | both work with existing ssh credentials |
| 16:34.33 | asterismo_l | cluelessperson, will this apply to this layout? i'm using a RAID-1 encrypted LVM |
| 16:34.36 | asterismo_l | https://paste.debian.net/1094475/ |
| 16:34.38 | g0zzy | OK you're onto something. When i use the vnc viewer i see two screens. One with panel one without |
| 16:34.39 | alkisg | has had so many stale session problems with x2go that gave up on it years ago, and switched to x11vnc over ssh |
| 16:35.08 | alkisg | g0zzy: ok, just run mate-display-properties and set the layout you want |
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| 16:36.55 | g0zzy | OK, It's a bit hard to see over VNC as it's small. I might have to go to the box |
| 16:37.38 | g0zzy | I don't get where IT'S getting an extra display from |
| 16:37.58 | alkisg | Do you have an hdmi cable connected? |
| 16:38.08 | alkisg | Is your main screen an external monitor connected over hdmi? |
| 16:38.18 | g0zzy | Yes. Excuse my ignorance but what IS fLVDS-1? |
| 16:38.29 | alkisg | Usually a laptop display |
| 16:38.57 | g0zzy | Well that's weird. This is a desktop box connected via hdmi |
| 16:39.11 | alkisg | Yeah intel does that :) |
| 16:39.27 | alkisg | It also creates phantom eDP-1 displays as well; you can disable them from grub |
| 16:40.11 | alkisg | If this is NOT UEFI, you'd run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc, and you'd put: video=LVDS-1:d and you'd reboot |
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| 16:40.24 | g0zzy | It IS uefi |
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| 16:40.40 | alkisg | Then you need to manually edit /etc/default/grub, put this there in the default cmdline, and run update-grub |
| 16:41.09 | alkisg | You can also disable the phantom display from mate-display-properties or from xorg.conf, but this way it's better, it's globally disabled |
| 16:41.11 | g0zzy | Surely what i want is not the LVDS-1 but hdmi1? |
| 16:41.25 | alkisg | You can test from mate-display-properties |
| 16:41.49 | alkisg | If you're using an hmdi cable, I believe you want to disable lvds-1 |
| 16:42.15 | g0zzy | When this box goes to the client, they will be using VGA actually |
| 16:42.26 | alkisg | Still not lvds-1 though |
| 16:42.52 | g0zzy | I don't want to queer it for when it gets moved to their premises |
| 16:43.26 | alkisg | I've seen cases where the intel driver gets confused if you have an hdmi cable but not a vga cable |
| 16:43.33 | alkisg | If you're lucky, it might "just work" with vga |
| 16:43.42 | alkisg | If you're unlucky, they'll get the same issue and you'll have to help them |
| 16:44.11 | alkisg | AFAIK if you put this to grub though, you're safe in both cases |
| 16:44.22 | alkisg | Since that box doesn't have an lvds output |
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| 16:44.57 | g0zzy | OK but what's counter-intuitive to me is that LVDS is the 'wrong' one ... |
| 16:45.27 | alkisg | g0zzy: the d at the end means "disable |
| 16:45.28 | g0zzy | (so why would i be doing video=LVDS-1 in grub?) |
| 16:45.40 | alkisg | video=LVDS-1 : d (without spaces) |
| 16:45.45 | alkisg | that d means disable |
| 16:45.59 | g0zzy | Ah sorry - it's come out as an emoticon here ;) |
| 16:46.18 | alkisg | Google for this, with quotes: "video=LVDS-1:d" |
| 16:46.25 | humpled | heheh |
| 16:46.28 | alkisg | You'll see others with the same problem |
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| 16:47.22 | annadane | i see you searched for video=LVDS-1:d. did you also mean: shopping best deals? |
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| 16:49.12 | g0zzy | OK, going to give it a try |
| 16:49.32 | alkisg | g0zzy: btw which kernel is that? |
| 16:50.27 | g0zzy | 4.19.0-5-amd64 |
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| 16:51.07 | g0zzy | Do i need to run update-grub? |
| 16:51.13 | alkisg | Yes |
| 16:51.27 | alkisg | grep video /boot/grub/grub.cfg => should have the line before you reboot |
| 16:51.52 | alkisg | grep LVDS /boot/grub/grub.cfg, for fewer lines... :) |
| 16:52.11 | greycat | if you modified /etc/default/grub, yes. |
| 16:52.35 | g0zzy | Err.. it doesn't! |
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| 16:53.09 | alkisg | waves for now; later... |
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| 16:54.57 | g0zzy | Should i have put it in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT? |
| 16:55.59 | g0zzy | Oops. Yes! |
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| 17:11.21 | g------ | How can I see if I'm running gnutls or openssl? |
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| 17:11.46 | g------ | or nss |
| 17:11.52 | greycat | You aren't "running" either one. They're libraries. Each individual program may link to one of them, or neither. |
| 17:12.02 | g------ | Right but how do I find out which package I have installed |
| 17:12.03 | greycat | e.g. "ldd /usr/bin/curl" |
| 17:12.03 | g------ | Sorry |
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| 17:12.18 | greycat | Installed? dpkg -l libssl\* libgnutls\* |
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| 17:13.06 | greycat | If you have multiple web browser programs (lynx, w3m, curl, etc.), each individual one may link to one, or the other. |
| 17:13.20 | g------ | https://pastebin.com/JADASYwf |
| 17:13.28 | g------ | gnutls it seems? |
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| 17:13.55 | greycat | lynx uses libgnutls, wget uses libgnutls, curl uses libssl, ... |
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| 17:15.46 | g------ | thank you |
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| 17:17.29 | nixew | Alright, a different question. Is it possible to install libpng12-0 on Debian 10? There is one for "jessie" and one for "sid" (only for arm64 architecture). |
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| 17:18.46 | greycat | You can try to install the jessie package, and see how it goes. Old libraries are usually fairly benign. |
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| 17:19.16 | greycat | If the package has some weird conflict, you can extract the .deb manually, toss the library in /usr/local/lib/, and run ldconfig. |
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| 17:21.15 | kreyren | how do i change debian release? |
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| 17:21.31 | kreyren | apt.conf and sources.list config doesnt seem to be sufficient |
| 17:21.34 | nixew | greycat: it looks like it has a conflict - unable to install new version of '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0': No such file or directory |
| 17:21.46 | kreyren | it still prefers current over others |
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| 17:22.16 | kreyren | ~and they hate me on #debian-next~ |
| 17:22.17 | greycat | That's weird. I have libpng12-0 installed on my buster workstation, surely left over from god knows what previous release. |
| 17:22.33 | greycat | ,v libpng12-0 |
| 17:22.34 | judd | Package: libpng12-0 on amd64 -- jessie-security: 1.2.50-2+deb8u2; jessie: 1.2.50-2+deb8u3 |
| 17:22.56 | greycat | Yeah, that's the one I have. |
| 17:22.59 | nixew | That's the one I tried to install. |
| 17:23.33 | greycat | nixew: I'm wondering if it's a usrmerge thing. That /usr/lib/ path might not exist on your system. |
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| 17:24.23 | nixew | The path exists, but I can see libpng16.so.16 there. |
| 17:24.29 | greycat | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Jan 6 2017 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0 -> libpng12.so.0.50.0 |
| 17:24.32 | greycat | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 Jan 6 2017 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0 -> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0 |
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| 17:24.52 | greycat | Maybe the /lib/ path doesn't exist. |
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| 17:25.56 | nixew | greycat: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Apr 8 10:55 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng16.so.16 -> libpng16.so.16.36.0 |
| 17:27.09 | greycat | well, if both /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu and /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu exist then I don't know what's causing the error. When in doubt, just extract it manually, drop the library in /usr/local/lib, and run ldconfig. |
| 17:27.43 | greycat | (that, or dig into the problem until you find out what's causing that error) |
| 17:28.45 | nixew | greycat: I have no idea how to dig into this. I'll try to extract it there. |
| 17:29.09 | twanny796 | any help on cyrus? |
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| 17:34.36 | g0zzy | Thanks folks - the video=LVDS-1:d move worked a treat |
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| 17:39.50 | nixew | greycat: thank you very much. I copied the libpng12 file and its symbolic link to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ and problem solved. |
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| 17:47.10 | zerocool | can someone confirm for me that the default dhcp renew time for dhclient in buster is 3600 seconds |
| 17:47.15 | zerocool | or correct me |
| 17:47.17 | zerocool | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:50.44 | tarzeau | zerocool: which dhcp client? |
| 17:51.02 | zerocool | dhclient |
| 17:51.20 | karlpinc | zerocool: You can look at the default config at sources.debian.org. It will be somewhere in the "debian" folder iirc. |
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| 17:54.25 | Church- | Question on unattended-upgrade/apt -y upgrade. Is there a way for me to determine if I need to reboot my host after applying either of them? Doing this automatically through a config management system. |
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| 17:56.14 | zerocool | oh wait in /var/log/syslog i see "bound to $IPADDRESS -- renewal in 1526 seconds." |
| 17:57.02 | ksk | Hey guys. Has anyone successully passed through GPU-device nodes to a LXC-container? I get following message on container startup if I configured it to do that: "cgroups/cgfsng.c: cg_legacy_set_data: 2191 Failed to setup limits for the "devices" controller. The controller seems to be unused by "cgfsng" cgroup driver" -- any Ideas would be welcome. thanks! |
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| 17:59.29 | Habbie | Church-, the 'needrestart' package might be of interest |
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| 18:04.29 | ksk | ++ for needrestart :) |
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| 18:12.30 | steelwolf | I thought that if systemctl is saying a service is enabled, it would start at boot without user interaction. But Iâm noticing my service is waiting for a login, and then starting. |
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| 18:13.47 | steelwolf | What am I missing that is causing my service to wait for user login before starting? |
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| 18:19.18 | jhutchins_wk | casually wonders just how many things in Linux could be called a service. |
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| 18:21.03 | steelwolf | Either way running systemctl enable <value> should cause it to run at startup, no? I feel like Iâm missing something obvious. |
| 18:21.16 | jhutchins_wk | steelwolf: Does it require a GUI? |
| 18:21.33 | SerajewelKS | steelwolf: enabling a unit doesn't make it start at boot necessarily |
| 18:21.49 | jhutchins_wk | Stx: It would probably help a LOT if you told us what "service" you were working with. |
| 18:22.14 | steelwolf | Fair enough, I am trying to do a minimal debian installation to run docker. |
| 18:22.53 | SerajewelKS | for example, if the unit doesn't declare that it's wantedby a unit that does start automatically (such as multi-user.target) then enabling it doesn't really do anything |
| 18:23.03 | SerajewelKS | (well it might do something -- but not start at boot) |
| 18:23.18 | jhutchins_wk | !docker |
| 18:23.19 | dpkg | it has been said that docker is #docker on chat.freenode.net |
| 18:24.08 | steelwolf | I assumed I was doing something dumb with systemd and not with the docker installation but I can ask there as well. |
| 18:24.30 | Stx | jhutchins_wk: Im just gonna ignore that. ;o) |
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| 18:29.22 | steelwolf | Hmm. |
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| 18:35.32 | cbthree | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:39.51 | lineageosfan | Yesterday I had asked in this channel about a RAS software and which would be suited to connect in a LAN. alkisg had recommended a solution to me. Unfortunately my browser crashed after the chat. What was the name of the software again? |
| 18:40.08 | alkisg | lineageosfan: epoptes.org, I'm the developer ;) |
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| 18:42.37 | lineageosfan | alkisg: Thank you. Are you really? |
| 18:42.49 | alkisg | ...see help > about :) |
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| 18:43.29 | lineageosfan | :-) |
| 18:45.26 | jhutchins_wk | steelwolf: I stay well away from Docker, but I believe that the "spin up containers" is not automatic by default. |
| 18:45.47 | lineageosfan | OK. Thank you. I will install it. See you. |
| 18:45.55 | alkisg | yw |
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| 18:47.12 | steelwolf | @jhutchins_wk yeah you have to set up the containers to do that, but the overall docker itself should be starting on boot like networking and everything else. At least, itâs showing up in my systemctl list-units that way |
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| 18:58.47 | sleepingforest | AppImage or Snap? Whats the preferred tool? |
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| 19:00.14 | diogenes_ | app |
| 19:01.08 | alkisg | dpkg :) |
| 19:01.08 | dpkg | it has been said that ) is the smile part of a face. |
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| 19:02.00 | sleepingforest | dpkg is always preferred, but if theres no latest version in testing or backports then i gotta use something else |
| 19:02.00 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, sleepingforest |
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| 19:02.36 | ayekat | I prefer packaging it myself, then |
| 19:02.43 | wr | equivalent of "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" on deb 10? |
| 19:03.05 | sleepingforest | dpkg thanks |
| 19:03.05 | dpkg | gern geschehen, sleepingforest |
| 19:05.02 | greycat | !literal thanks |
| 19:05.03 | dpkg | "thanks" is "<reply> $who: (that's ok|no problem d00d|sweet as, enjoy|no, no ... thank YOU!|you're welcome|OMGNPLOLS)" |
| 19:05.04 | diogenes_ | good bot dpkg :) |
| 19:05.10 | greycat | that's... interesting |
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| 19:09.46 | alkisg | wonders what OMGNPLOLS is.. |
| 19:10.22 | ratrace | omg np lols |
| 19:11.36 | diogenes_ | Omgnplols looks like a greek last name. |
| 19:13.52 | alkisg | guesses diogenes_ isn't greek ;) |
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| 19:16.06 | diogenes_ | is Diogenes Papachristodoulopoulos |
| 19:17.14 | alkisg | Hehe |
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| 19:20.41 | Stereo | Hi everyone |
| 19:21.26 | diogenes_ | hi |
| 19:21.39 | Stereo | I have these two xen VMs, and one is giving me a xen console, and the other one isn't. I'm trying to understand why so that I can get a console on both machines, to have a safety net when I upgrade from stretch to buster on that vm. |
| 19:22.12 | Stereo | syslog says: Aug 5 16:56:01 Ucalegon systemd[1]: Dependency failed for Serial Getty on hvc0. |
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| 19:23.47 | Stereo | Looking at the systemctl status, it says: Aug 05 18:23:16 Ucalegon.stereo.lu systemd[1]: serial-getty@hvc0.service: Job serial-getty@hvc0.service/start failed with result 'dependency'. |
| 19:24.09 | Stereo | What that dependency is and why one machine has it and the other one doesn't is, so far, mysterious to me. |
| 19:25.28 | karlpinc | Stereo: It _could_ be a systemd dependency. (I'm not so good with systemd.) In which case a 'systemd status', or varient, might say that there's something that's not running. |
| 19:25.41 | Habbie | (systemctl status) |
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| 19:27.16 | Stereo | Yeah neither am I, trying to learn the hard way :) |
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| 19:27.45 | Stereo | Nothing in systemctl status looks relevant |
| 19:27.52 | Stereo | I'll compare packages maybe |
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| 19:29.05 | cbthree | i installed buster on my samsung chromebook 3 and everything works just fine. The only issue i have is that the microphone does not work, that is: no audio input from built in microphone. Since i did not get any answers here i asked in #pulseaudio and then #alsa. No solution so far |
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| 19:31.46 | cbthree | i have to point out that sound works fine but the internal microphone does not |
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| 19:39.28 | greycat | So, it turns out that having really really old /etc/nsswitch.conf (lenny? etch?) makes NIS not so happy in Debian 10. And then editing the file by hand but screwing up the "shadow" line because it has fewer fields than the first two, and not noticing... is also bad. Who knew. |
| 19:39.49 | diogenes_ | cbthree, arecord -l pastebin |
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| 19:40.20 | greycat | There was one point where I could login as root but not myself, and another point where I could login as myself (NIS authentication) but not root (because /etc/shadow was broken by the nsswith.conf error). |
| 19:41.30 | ksk | greycat: welcome to buster ;) |
| 19:42.05 | greycat | This is my 5th buster upgrade overall. The first one to encounter that *particular* issue. |
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| 19:42.40 | Stereo | Ok, found it, it was udev that was missing |
| 19:42.54 | Stereo | Thank you karlpinc and Habbie |
| 19:43.37 | greycat | My oldest note for this system says "2009-02-27: Upgraded to Debian 5.0 (lenny)" so it was probably a pre-lenny nsswitch.conf file. |
| 19:44.33 | Stereo | greycat: if you can still find references to floppies in sources.list, you know it's old :) |
| 19:44.55 | greycat | Not in sources.list, but every time it builds an initramfs, I get warnings about floppies. |
| 19:44.59 | cbthree | https://paste.debian.net/1094493/ |
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| 19:45.11 | Stereo | Hehe |
| 19:45.34 | greycat | /etc/kernel-img.conf:do_bootfloppy = no |
| 19:46.20 | cluelessperson | I was hoping someone could help me with something. I'm creating vlan netdevs with systemd-networkd, and they seem to be made correctly, but they're getting renamed by the kernel at boot, not sure why. |
| 19:46.28 | cluelessperson | [ 4.870197] rename6: renamed from uplink.103[ 4.939737] rename7: renamed from uplink.101 |
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| 19:51.41 | cbthree | diogenes_, any suggestions? |
| 19:54.11 | diogenes_ | cbthree, in /etc/pulse/default.pa just above the line module-udev-detect.so, add this: load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:0,0 |
| 19:54.28 | diogenes_ | save, close, run: pulseaudio -k, check the mic |
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| 19:55.35 | cluelessperson | I'm honestly completely stuck |
| 19:56.24 | diogenes_ | cbthree, if that one won't work then change that line to this one: load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:1,0 |
| 19:56.49 | diogenes_ | instead of =hw:0,0 chabge to =hw:1,0 |
| 19:57.03 | diogenes_ | and pulseaudio -k |
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| 20:02.36 | cbthree | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:05.13 | diogenes_ | no root |
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| 20:05.20 | Intelo | how in the world do I install dell bios drivers with no hdd? |
| 20:05.22 | cbthree | ok |
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| 20:11.46 | cbthree | diogenes_, i did what you told me but the issue remains the same |
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| 20:12.03 | tarzeau | there's no secret or unknown to me thing like marketing for debian, ala omgubuntu? |
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| 20:12.28 | diogenes_ | cbthree, then your best bet would be a newer kernel. |
| 20:12.35 | asterismo_l | i upgraded a system from debian 8 to debian 9 and debian 10 today |
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| 20:13.00 | asterismo_l | i had installed mysql-community-server 5.7 in debian 8 |
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| 20:13.14 | asterismo_l | and after dist-upgrading mysql is not working |
| 20:13.26 | asterismo_l | where can i get some help with this? |
| 20:13.52 | cbthree | diogenes_, i am running Debian 4.19.37-5+deb10u1 (2019-07-19) and someone told to upgrade to 5.2 but there is not 5.2 in the debian repo |
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| 20:14.16 | tarzeau | cbthree: and you audio in (micro) doesn't work? |
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| 20:14.34 | cbthree | tarzeau, no |
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| 20:14.53 | qubenix | cluelessperson: found this, hope it helps. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/VLAN#udev_renames_the_virtual_devices |
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| 20:15.04 | tarzeau | cbthree: what is it that you need 5.2? |
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| 20:15.58 | cbthree | i was told the latest kernel has some patches and fixes some audio isssue |
| 20:15.59 | cluelessperson | qubenix Thank you so much. That seems to be exactly what is happening |
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| 20:23.11 | karlpinc | qubenix: Urgle. I wonder why that fixes it. |
| 20:23.47 | Sleaker | ,v lxc-net |
| 20:23.48 | judd | No package named 'lxc-net' was found in amd64. |
| 20:23.57 | Sleaker | was lxc-net never a package? |
| 20:24.28 | greycat | judd goes back to jessie, I think |
| 20:24.54 | greycat | ,v bash |
| 20:24.55 | judd | Package: bash on amd64 -- jessie: 4.3-11+deb8u1; jessie-security: 4.3-11+deb8u2; stretch: 4.4-5; bullseye: 5.0-4; buster: 5.0-4; sid: 5.0-4 |
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| 20:31.32 | cbthree | this internal mic not working issue is a bit too much a for a newbie |
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| 20:32.54 | karlpinc | cbthree: I've not been following. |
| 20:33.01 | karlpinc | !alsa-checklist |
| 20:33.01 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 20:33.42 | karlpinc | cbthree: Could also be non-free firmware. (possibly) Did you install with the unofficial installer containing non-free firmware? |
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| 20:35.34 | cbthree | sound works ok. i can listen to music, watch videos with sound. the only thing that does not work is the internal mic and in #alsa and #pulseaudio they told me to buy a usb sound card because my hardware is problematic |
| 20:36.06 | tarzeau | cbthree: so now you know. some hardware sucks |
| 20:36.30 | tarzeau | or you download from www.kernel.org 5.2, to /usr/src |
| 20:36.39 | tarzeau | cbthree: unpack it, and build it, it's not rocket science. |
| 20:36.49 | greycat | I thought we already went over this last week... or whas that a different person? |
| 20:36.58 | karlpinc | cbthree: There are instructions in the debian kernel handbook. |
| 20:37.07 | tarzeau | i think it's the same, and i saw reddit postings about the exact same thing, lol |
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| 20:37.15 | cbthree | tarzeau, compiling a kernel is not something a newbie should be expected to do to fix a problem on a computer which was a present |
| 20:37.19 | karlpinc | !kernel handbook |
| 20:37.19 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.debian.net/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
| 20:37.34 | greycat | cbthree: then what do you expect us to do? |
| 20:37.38 | tarzeau | cbthree: you know my answer. you should only run software that you can build yourself |
| 20:37.53 | tarzeau | cbthree: cd /usr/src; wget https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v5.x/linux-5.2.6.tar.xz |
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| 20:38.37 | karlpinc | cbthree: When the manufacturers keep secrets it takes time for volunteers to reverse engineer and write code to make the hardware work. |
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| 20:39.18 | cbthree | tarzeau, would it not be better to do: apt-get install linux-image-5.2.6-amd64 ??? |
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| 20:39.30 | tarzeau | cbthree: you can do that, but first you have to build it :) |
| 20:39.42 | BCMM | tarzeau: that won't work, because that kernel is not in debian's repos |
| 20:39.48 | BCMM | sorry, meant to highlight cbthree there |
| 20:39.57 | greycat | cbthree: do you think we're going to wave a magic wand and make new packages appear on your mirror? |
| 20:40.02 | BCMM | cbthree: debian does not package every single upstream kernel release |
| 20:40.08 | tarzeau | BCMM: one can make their own packages using reprepro you can even have your own repository |
| 20:40.17 | tarzeau | greycat: yeah :) i will |
| 20:40.49 | tarzeau | cbthree: but once your mic is unmuted, you'll get muted in here, deal? |
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| 20:41.34 | cbthree | tarzeau, ? |
| 20:42.28 | tarzeau | cbthree: i have my copy, and you? now run: tar xzvf linux-5.2.6.tar.xz |
| 20:42.34 | BCMM | tarzeau: by the way, why build the kernel in /usr/src? |
| 20:42.42 | cbthree | tarzeau, was told to try debian backports but 5.2 is not there |
| 20:42.44 | BCMM | you should build as a regular user, and let apt handle /usr/src |
| 20:42.48 | greycat | he's a traditionalist |
| 20:42.49 | wr | tzselect |
| 20:43.07 | greycat | cbthree: nobody *here* told you that there was a backport of 5.2, I hope |
| 20:43.09 | greycat | ,kernels |
| 20:43.10 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-6); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-4~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u4); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u4~deb8u1) |
| 20:43.18 | greycat | As you can clearly see, judd doesn't show one. |
| 20:43.22 | BCMM | greycat: i was gonna guess "gentoo user" |
| 20:43.50 | greycat | I'm almost certain that we told you, last week, that you should download the upstream source code and build your own kernel .deb. |
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| 20:44.24 | cbthree | do i need more than 500 MB in my /usr/src to build a kernel? |
| 20:44.31 | greycat | Probably. |
| 20:44.39 | tarzeau | cbthree: it unpacked into 1 GB for me |
| 20:44.46 | greycat | But you don't have to build it *there*. Do you have space somewhere else? |
| 20:44.49 | tarzeau | cbthree: it can be anywhere, must not be /usr/src |
| 20:45.04 | cbthree | i have less than 700MB left in my / partition |
| 20:45.24 | greycat | How about in your porn partition? |
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| 20:45.55 | cbthree | my hd is 16 gig (yes, sixteen gigabytes and it is soldered to the mainboard). No space to add a second hd |
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| 20:46.36 | greycat | And you *partitioned* it? |
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| 20:46.42 | cbthree | yes |
| 20:46.48 | greycat | gods, why |
| 20:46.55 | tarzeau | https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html#s4.2.1 says you need a bunch of gb |
| 20:47.05 | BCMM | one of those blog posts that advises that /var/ /usr/ and /boot all have to be on different filesystems? |
| 20:47.12 | tarzeau | cbthree: throw that crap away, buy the usb soundcard (attached to a real computer) |
| 20:47.23 | cbthree | i was recommend to create a swap partition and a /home partition |
| 20:47.23 | tarzeau | gives up, gets some wodka, cheers |
| 20:47.42 | greycat | Did the person who made that recommendation KNOW that your whole hard drive was only 16 GB? |
| 20:48.10 | greycat | Do you have another computer of the same architecture that you can build the kernel on? |
| 20:48.23 | BCMM | i skimmed the scrollback but i might have missed it: has the actual sound problem been discussed? or upgrading the kernel just something that "somebody" said cbthree should do? |
| 20:48.24 | cbthree | tarzeau, drinking vodka will not solve your problems and certainly will not solve mine either |
| 20:48.27 | BCMM | ^or is upgrading |
| 20:48.46 | tarzeau | cbthree: i like the taste. it's not for solving any problems. i enjoy it |
| 20:49.03 | BCMM | would probably be good to rule out the simple stuff like wrong mixer settings |
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| 20:49.30 | cbthree | tarzeau, don't drive and d(riv)e |
| 20:49.47 | cbthree | after drinking vodka, that is |
| 20:50.21 | tarzeau | i've got a private pilot, wtf do you think? |
| 20:51.03 | cbthree | i use public transportation myself. i can not afford a car |
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| 20:51.31 | cbthree | not even a matchbox one! |
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| 20:53.17 | cbthree | gotta go. will be back later. thanks |
| 20:53.29 | cluelessperson | qubenix Thank you so much. That seems to be exactly what is happening. However, that file does not exist on debian? |
| 20:53.35 | cluelessperson | I don't know what's causing udev to do this |
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| 20:54.22 | qubenix | sorry, cluelessperson, i'm not familiar myself. just did some searching for you. good luck. |
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| 20:58.21 | cluelessperson | Does anyone know what could be renaming netowrk interfaces after they're created by systemd-networkd? |
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| 21:04.26 | cluelessperson | I don't know what to do |
| 21:04.58 | cluelessperson | For some reason, some of my interfaces created by systemd-networkd netdev files are being renamed |
| 21:05.14 | cluelessperson | it might be udev renaming them, but it doesn't make sense why it'd rename some of them, and not others |
| 21:05.20 | cluelessperson | and I can't find the rules responsible |
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| 21:08.17 | dvs | it might be because there exists 70-persistent-net in the /etc/udev/rules.d directory |
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| 21:18.54 | karlpinc | cluelessperson: Check the buster release notes for network renaming. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#migrate-interface-names also: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ |
| 21:19.13 | karlpinc | I don't know that there's answers there. But you could probably just turn off interface renaming. |
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| 21:34.29 | cluelessperson | karlpinc interesting, but I can't find why it's renaming it after I've set it up |
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| 21:36.37 | swift110 | sup folks |
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| 21:38.50 | dvs | yo yo yo |
| 21:39.45 | cluelessperson | yo |
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| 21:41.14 | swift110 | how are you dvs and cluelessperson |
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| 21:41.33 | cluelessperson | bored out of my mind and stuck on a ***** stupid issue |
| 21:44.04 | swift110 | oh ok whats wrong cluelessperson |
| 21:44.41 | cluelessperson | swift110 I'm creating interfaces at boot using netdev files with systemd-networkd, the interfaces are being renamed from uplink.101 to rename7 and etc |
| 21:44.54 | cluelessperson | so my creation is working, something else is overwriting them |
| 21:44.58 | swift110 | cluelessperson, oh ok hope it gets better |
| 21:45.05 | swift110 | has no clue what that was |
| 21:45.23 | cluelessperson | however, there is no clue as to what is renaming things |
| 21:45.34 | cluelessperson | logs are sparse |
| 21:45.46 | cluelessperson | kernel renamed thing to thing, what part of the kernel and why? |
| 21:45.50 | swift110 | oh ok |
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| 21:48.38 | cluelessperson | usually it's udev, but I can't find any rules responsible |
| 21:48.48 | swift110 | oh i see |
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| 21:49.27 | dvs | <dvs> it might be because there exists 70-persistent-net in the /etc/udev/rules.d directory |
| 21:49.43 | dvs | I already said that |
| 21:50.05 | cluelessperson | dvs ah, sorry I didn't respond, but I did check for that, it doesn't exist |
| 21:50.57 | cluelessperson | dvs https://gist.github.com/cluelessperson/150d64e2f96b8ae73f79fb6bb0a76655 |
| 21:52.30 | dvs | uh, debian doesn't put the dynamic rules in /usr/lib/udev/rules.d |
| 21:53.16 | cluelessperson | dvs the find command starts at root `/` |
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| 21:57.56 | maxrazer | Does anyone know if dbus is not installed by default? I think it is not if one doesn't install task-desktop |
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| 21:58.33 | rant | why would dbus be installed by "default"? |
| 21:58.33 | maxrazer | Also, does anyone know how to set wallpaper? My wallpaper is set and I don't know what set it. It might be feh. I installed XFCE and it added it, but I have no program configuring it. |
| 21:58.39 | rant | ,i dbus |
| 21:58.40 | judd | Package dbus (admin, standard) in buster/amd64: simple interprocess messaging system (daemon and utilities). Version: 1.12.16-1; Size: 229.5k; Installed: 598k; Homepage: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/ |
| 21:58.43 | maxrazer | rant, A lot of programs require dbus. |
| 21:58.57 | rant | it says its tagged "standard" |
| 21:59.27 | maxrazer | rant, I noticed that Hexchat and dunst messaging started working and I think it happened after dbus was installed probably by XFCE. |
| 21:59.37 | rant | dpkg, standard? |
| 21:59.38 | dpkg | hmm... standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
| 22:00.11 | maxrazer | I seem to remember on FreeBSD and Debian that dbus is not installed by default, but many programs won't work without it. |
| 22:00.15 | CaptainDusty | Yeah; isn't `standard` aka `standard system utils` in tasksel? |
| 22:00.37 | BCMM | doesn't systemd need dbus? |
| 22:00.48 | CaptainDusty | BCMM: systemd depends on all the things |
| 22:01.04 | maxrazer | There is also HALD, which I think of with dbus. |
| 22:01.39 | maxrazer | I tried to autoremove dbus though and it wouldn't let me. |
| 22:01.50 | maxrazer | package conflict. |
| 22:01.54 | BCMM | maxrazer: hald? what year is it? |
| 22:01.59 | rant | heh |
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| 22:02.36 | coruja | maxrazer, if some software needs dbus, apt will install it |
| 22:03.08 | maxrazer | hmm, well hexchat would freeze when trying to connect to server. After dbus installed I think it works fine. Also, suddenly I'm getting messages with dunst working. |
| 22:03.29 | maxrazer | And dbus communicates between applications, so that makes sense. |
| 22:03.31 | coruja | maxrazer, and i guess there is some configuration setting in xfce to change background wallpapers |
| 22:04.05 | maxrazer | coruja, Yes, but I'm not using XFCE. I'm just using i3wm. Do you know where the wallpaper setting could have been changed? It isn't a feh config file. I checked. |
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| 22:06.52 | coruja | hexchat depends on dbus libs and those recommend dbus itself |
| 22:08.29 | coruja | concerning wallpaper setting, i don't know as i use neither xfce nor i3wm |
| 22:09.50 | maxrazer | coruja, Ok, thanks. It isn't a big deal. I just think it is mysterious that I have wallpaper and nothing I can find that is creating/setting it. |
| 22:09.55 | ayekat | maxrazer: I don't use i3 either, but apparently it manages the wallpaper on its own, so you might need to configure i3's config to set/change the wallpaper |
| 22:10.13 | ayekat | (rather than fiddling around with wallpaper setters like feh) |
| 22:10.26 | maxrazer | ayekat, Maybe. I checked the i3 config and didn't see it. It didn't get set until I installed XFCE, but I already had feh installed. |
| 22:10.39 | rant | maxrazer: xwininfo |
| 22:10.51 | maxrazer | I got the debian 10 wallpaper by default. It stayed when I uninstalled XFCE and use i3wm. |
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| 22:11.42 | maxrazer | xwininfo: Window id: 0x1e8 (the root window) "i3" |
| 22:12.10 | coruja | ,why hexchat dbus |
| 22:12.15 | judd | Packages hexchat and dbus in buster/amd64 are linked by 4 chains: hexchat ⶠlibdbus-glib-1-2 ⶠlibdbus-1-3 ⷠdbus; hexchat ⶠlibnotify4 ⷠnotification-daemon ⶠlibgtk-3-0 ⶠlibrest-0.7-0 ⶠlibsoup-gnome2.4-1 ⶠlibsoup2.4-1 ⶠglib-networking ⶠgsettings-desktop-schemas ⶠdconf-gsettings-backend ⶠdconf-service ⶠdefault-dbus-session-bus ⶠdbus; hexchat ⶠlibnotify4 ⷠ|
| 22:12.16 | judd | notification-daemon ⶠlibgtk-3-0 ⶠlibrest-0.7-0 ⶠlibsoup-gnome2.4-1 ⶠlibsoup2.4-1 ⶠglib-networking ⶠgsettings-desktop-schemas ⶠdconf-gsettings-backend ⶠdconf-service ⶠdefault-dbus-session-bus ⶠlibpam-systemd ⶠdbus; hexchat ⶠlibnotify4 ⷠnotification-daemon ⶠlibgtk-3-0 ⶠlibrest-0.7-0 ⶠlibsoup-gnome2.4-1 ⶠlibsoup2.4-1 ⶠglib-networking ⶠgsettings- (1 more message) |
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| 22:12.47 | coruja | smart judd :) |
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| 22:14.21 | BCMM | oh, that's a cool feature. any way i can do that on the command line? |
| 22:14.41 | Unit193 | As is its awesome tool to check backportability. |
| 22:14.52 | rant | maxrazer: ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc maybe? |
| 22:15.34 | rant | BCMM: aptitudy why |
| 22:15.39 | coruja | aptitude why <package1> <package2> |
| 22:15.45 | maxrazer | rant, I checked both of those. They are actually empty. |
| 22:15.55 | maxrazer | I don't even have an .xsession file. |
| 22:16.25 | maxrazer | I still have the login/display manager left over from XFEC, so my .xinitrc doesn't even say "i3" |
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| 22:23.51 | cluelessperson | okay, what is considered the proper way to manage network/interfaces vlans on an interface in debian? |
| 22:24.10 | cluelessperson | the documentation seems to imply systemd link files are old? |
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| 22:26.08 | maxrazer | I do simple home use with no management of that on Debian. |
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| 22:28.46 | cluelessperson | maxrazer I use my home servers to test configurations for later work implementations |
| 22:29.12 | cluelessperson | I dislike that debian is using pieces of systemd, but not others |
| 22:29.24 | rant | cluelessperson: you can use whatever method you like.. systemd-networkd, /etc/network/interfaces w/ ifupdown, network-manager whatever |
| 22:30.08 | cluelessperson | rant well, I'm trying, and something's renaming my network interfaces |
| 22:30.11 | cluelessperson | so that I cannot use them |
| 22:30.24 | cluelessperson | sorry to bitch |
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| 22:30.37 | rant | cluelessperson: I thought you had resolved that issue, that it was due to you using mac to identify them |
| 22:31.53 | iqubic | So, I have an official ISO with Gnome and the Calamares installer. Will that be able to use the internet connection from the host machine to install Debian? |
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| 22:32.19 | ksk | iqubic: how is that a debian question? |
| 22:32.47 | iqubic | Because I need special drivers to get my WIFI working for the install. |
| 22:32.51 | ksk | if your VM has internet-access (network-wise), debian will be able to use it |
| 22:33.03 | ksk | there is an iso with non-free drivers included, give that a look |
| 22:33.08 | cluelessperson | @rant uh, don't think so, no |
| 22:33.25 | iqubic | It's not a VM, but an install on actual hardware. |
| 22:33.52 | iqubic | Will it still be able to work? |
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| 22:35.51 | rant | cluelessperson: this is irc, not facebook or twitter |
| 22:38.08 | rant | hangs a sign on the door that says # is a channel not a hashtag, and @ is a user mode indicator not a tag! |
| 22:41.24 | cluelessperson | rant this dumbass webchat client is causing bad behavior, you're correct |
| 22:41.48 | rant | cluelessperson: the freenode webchat is tab completing like that? |
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| 22:43.46 | rant | hmm.. that client is atrocious.. but doesnt seem to be putting the @ in there but its not tab completing correctly either |
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| 22:44.37 | maxrazer | hexchat is a good choice and weechat for terminal. |
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| 22:46.33 | BCMM | rant: thanks; i didn't know you could pass multiple params to `aptitude why` |
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| 22:48.10 | ZaZaGX | hello pirate |
| 22:48.12 | BCMM | any way to see multiple chains like judd can? |
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| 23:26.59 | LanDi | can someone help me to make opentracker work on my server? (or at least recommend me another irc channel where I should ask for help |
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| 23:37.13 | cluelessperson | rant it just has some user friendly integration that enables easier autocompletion with the @ symbol rather than tab completion. I'd sugest removing @ entirely |
| 23:37.20 | cluelessperson | and fixing the notification sounds/ tones/ colors |
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| 23:45.31 | LambdaComplex | What's the correct syntax for using /etc/network/interfaces to define multiple BSSID interfaces using hostapd? |
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| 23:56.47 | cluelessperson | I'm sorry to keep bothering you, but I'm completely stuck, and only dead ends. |
| 23:58.12 | cluelessperson | Basically, I created a link, network file that name vlans. Then I created netdev files that create interfaces to represent those vlans. |
| 23:58.28 | cluelessperson | It seems to work, but when debian boot, soemthing else renames them from uplink.101 to rename6 |
| 23:58.36 | cluelessperson | There's no hint at what is doing it. |
| 23:58.51 | cluelessperson | The suspicion is that it's udev, but I can't find any rules that do that. |
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| 23:59.02 | cluelessperson | There *are* network udev rules, but none that obivously rename them |
| 23:59.42 | cluelessperson | https://gist.github.com/cluelessperson/150d64e2f96b8ae73f79fb6bb0a76655 |