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| 00:22.12 | tabemann | I know this is a question for #debian-next, but no one is responding there |
| 00:22.35 | tabemann | I have a system running testing where power management isn't functioning properly |
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| 00:23.01 | tabemann | about half of the time it will refuse to suspend/hibernate/shutdown |
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| 00:23.13 | tabemann | also occasionally one of the kworkers takes up a full core |
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| 00:24.57 | CaptainDusty | tabemann: No luck, 'eh? |
| 00:25.14 | CaptainDusty | tabemann: It might be a silly question - have you checked for more updates? Maybe it's been identified and fixeD? |
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| 00:32.13 | pennTeller | Hi guys, is there an easy way to change the color of the top panel in gnome? |
| 00:33.24 | rant | the GNOME developers in all their wisdom saw it fit to remove the ability to right-click and configure things in their fugly new gui and leave users to guess how to configure the undocumented pile of crap if they dont love how crappily it looks |
| 00:33.44 | rant | apparently they also think this is some kinda compromise |
| 00:33.50 | rant | ,gnome-tweak-tool |
| 00:33.54 | rant | ,i gnome-tweak-tool |
| 00:33.55 | judd | Package gnome-tweak-tool (oldlibs, optional) in buster/amd64: adjust advanced settings for GNOME - transitional package. Version: 3.30.2-1; Size: 5.5k; Installed: 12k; Homepage: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Tweaks |
| 00:34.05 | rant | idk if that can do it or not |
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| 00:34.54 | jim | pennTeller, gnome's UI elements should be configurable, you just have to find out how |
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| 00:35.43 | rant | I think thats what I implied :P |
| 00:36.24 | rant | or.. alternatively.. you could just use MATE, a fork of the GNOME 2.x back when stuff worked.. |
| 00:36.36 | rant | and had documentation |
| 00:36.41 | CaptainDusty | Going to have to agree with rant - Nothing but issues where I'm forced to use later Gnome releases. |
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| 00:36.56 | CaptainDusty | It's generally burried deep in config files, that in the past - had convenient helpers to manage. |
| 00:37.55 | rant | yes.. they seem to have fell into a black hole and wound up back in like 1995 or something |
| 00:39.04 | rant | and carried with them visions of future ugly UIs |
| 00:39.20 | CaptainDusty | rant: To the contrary; things were simple back then. |
| 00:40.04 | CaptainDusty | They're burried deep in complexity. It's typical feature bloat. I found they did not complement my use case, nor were they logical in any way. |
| 00:40.09 | pennTeller | jim, yes I am aware that I can go and edit the CSS in question though that just feel wrong to me. I would assume there is a nice and documented option somewhere but I cant find any information. |
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| 00:40.18 | CaptainDusty | Reminded me of unity. |
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| 00:41.04 | rant | idk but in terms of usibility the 7 DE we have are MATE, Cinnamon, XFCE.. the usables.. then KDE, GNOME, LXDE, LXQT.. the deplorables :P |
| 00:41.12 | pennTeller | rant, thanks |
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| 00:41.19 | CaptainDusty | pennTeller: That's the problem. The documentation either doesn't exist; or it's not easy to get to. As rant mentioned; gnome-tweak-tool was awesome... but I don't think that was a core feature to come from the gnome project. Someone built it to manage those settings? I could be wrong. |
| 00:41.42 | rant | and really I'd put the LX* on the usables if they'd ditch wicd which is total shit.. breaks more often than not |
| 00:42.08 | pennTeller | CaptainDusty, that sucks... Thanks for your opinions to all |
| 00:42.39 | CaptainDusty | pennTeller: I would highly recommend MATE, if you need something reasonably full-featured. |
| 00:43.07 | pennTeller | CaptainDusty, I will definitely check it out, though I am tempted to go crazy mode and install i3 |
| 00:43.28 | CaptainDusty | pennTeller: I've heard good things about i3. I'm not sure if there's an easy deploy. |
| 00:43.51 | CaptainDusty | Simplicity is important for me. And minimal (in regards to dependencies) |
| 00:43.58 | CaptainDusty | I can't go into what I use here, as it's not related to debian :( |
| 00:44.46 | pennTeller | CaptainDusty, I've used i3 in the past, install is a simple as an apt-get command. Though there is a fair amount of configuration to get it perfect to each person needs. |
| 00:45.14 | CaptainDusty | pennTeller: Ah! Another requirement of mine; I don't want to spend hours tweaking :P (Which comes at a price...) |
| 00:45.59 | pennTeller | absolutely |
| 00:46.36 | CaptainDusty | pennTeller: I was converted to KDE for a little while, from a friend; but spent soooooo much time tweaking stuff. Back to MATE. And now even that was too much :P |
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| 00:48.07 | CaptainDusty | But if I were to deploy Debian tomorrow; I'd be going MATE fo-sho. |
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| 00:53.08 | rant | mate has added in the 1.20 Buster version as add-on packages, two new menus both have the search features and are more "modern" looking, they also added a dock (hate those things, but MacOSX and GNOME have them) and an applet to put the window controls (e.g. Minimize/Maximize/Close) into the panel.. so fugly modernish designs are achievable on top of the more mature user-friendly MATE codebase |
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| 00:53.22 | jaggz | how do you search for a file within an uninstalled package from commandline? |
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| 00:54.04 | rant | jaggz: you don't is the short version.. |
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| 00:57.57 | rant | jaggz: dpkg -L and dpkg -S are able to see files of installed packages, you cannot see contents of uninstalled packages without help from stuff from the web i.e. UDD, PDO or such.. the simplest way to get this stuff and do it locally would be to fetch the Contents-arch.gz file(s) from a mirror and grep them |
| 00:58.16 | jaggz | rant, thanks |
| 00:58.41 | rant | ,i package-search |
| 00:58.42 | judd | No package named 'package-search' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 00:58.55 | rant | ,i packagesearch |
| 00:58.56 | judd | Package packagesearch (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: GUI for searching packages and viewing package information. Version: 2.7.10+b1; Size: 326.9k; Installed: 1443k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/packagesearch |
| 00:59.05 | rant | that is able to do it as well, but its not a command line tool |
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| 01:06.19 | LambdaComplex | so is there some limitation/issue with creating bridge interfaces at boot? because i really can't seem to create 2 successfully. br0 gets created fine but br1 does not |
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| 01:17.14 | rant | This user LambdaComplex had a similar issue.. |
| 01:17.43 | LambdaComplex | wait, i think i found the issue |
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| 01:18.02 | LambdaComplex | i was omitting `bridge_ports none` which probably meant that the stanza wasn't getting recognized as a bridge interface |
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| 02:07.25 | ZaZaGX | hi |
| 02:08.35 | CaptainDusty | ZaZaGX: Afternoon. |
| 02:10.06 | ZaZaGX | good. i got the drivers to work for the wifi adapter for Debian 10, after a format |
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| 02:10.36 | ZaZaGX | i forgot a step |
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| 02:14.30 | ZaZaGX | it was thanks to rant |
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| 03:21.47 | Piraty | how can i reuse an already debootstrapped chroot's package cache for another debootstrap? i.e. how to make package cache look like a repository to other debian instances |
| 03:22.23 | Piraty | packages seem to be stored in var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb i see |
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| 03:23.55 | jmcnaught | I just use apt-cacher-ng and do "http_proxy='http://apt-cache.example.com:3142/' debootstrap â¦" |
| 03:24.34 | jmcnaught | or http://localhost:3142/ or whatever |
| 03:25.50 | Piraty | well debootstrap should accept file://... |
| 03:25.56 | Piraty | thanks for hint jmcnaught |
| 03:26.17 | Piraty | oh, you may assume i'm debootstrapping on a non-debian host |
| 03:27.06 | tp43_ | anyone use lighttpd, when I try to enable ssl, it fails |
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| 03:34.01 | tp43_ | oooooooh, you have to put openssl.engine = "enable" |
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| 03:49.43 | SerajewelKS | jim: how's the audio situation going? |
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| 03:54.05 | jim | SerajewelKS, heya :) thanks for asking... I'm close, and with all due respect, I'm in a major crunch time at the moment... can we talk in a couple days? |
| 03:57.08 | jim | I definitely need your help with that, but I have to get this song out before that happens (unfortunately) |
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| 04:26.56 | tp43_ | oh crap lighttpd got me rethinking my life |
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| 04:29.52 | jim | isn't that two different things? |
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| 04:35.10 | tp43_ | jim, like putting the pem and crt files in correct place |
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| 04:47.47 | jim | which web server/ |
| 04:47.50 | jim | ? |
| 04:48.02 | tp43_ | lighttpd |
| 04:48.38 | jim | oh ok, dunno if that one has a certbot way of making certs... |
| 04:49.06 | jim | are there separate configs for each part of the cert? |
| 04:49.35 | jim | or is there one path, for one cert.pem file? |
| 04:51.43 | tp43_ | Well, making certs is with openssl, there is command in the docs, then you get a .csr and .key files. You keep the key, that is your key when you make exchanges and decrypt. You give the csr to authority and they approve it and keep it as a reference. You copy the .csr and key together to make a pem. |
| 04:52.43 | tp43_ | Then you just gotta let lighttpd know where is pem and it uses it to do the TLS transaction to secure authenticate the communications |
| 04:53.33 | jim | sounds like you know how to make the cert |
| 04:53.55 | tp43_ | I will forget tomorrow. |
| 04:54.19 | jim | that was my problem too... so I wrote myself a note |
| 04:54.20 | tp43_ | Something happens, it works to some degree. |
| 04:54.27 | SerajewelKS | jim: np problem at all |
| 04:54.52 | jim | SerajewelKS, thanks for being patient |
| 04:55.28 | SerajewelKS | tp43_: it's much easier using certbot/letsencrypt. not only is it free but it generates all of the files for you. |
| 04:56.17 | SerajewelKS | tp43_: apt-get install certbot && certbot certonly --webroot -w /path/to/webroot -d domain.name [-d other.domain.name ...] |
| 04:57.19 | tp43_ | SerajewelKS, but I have all the certs I need. I have lighttpd problem. It does let mod ssl install. |
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| 04:58.25 | SerajewelKS | tp43_: ah. unfortunately i don't know much about lighttpd. i prefer nginx. |
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| 05:12.22 | tp43_ | yep, that does it, I give up, as soon as I enter ssl.engine = "enable" lighttpd does't restart, mod-openssl is broken on debian. |
| 05:12.58 | CaptainDusty | tp43_: With no error? |
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| 05:14.21 | tp43_ | The unit lighttpd.service has entered the 'failed' state with result 'exit-code' |
| 05:14.28 | tp43_ | Nothing descriptive |
| 05:14.50 | CaptainDusty | You're pointing to the pem too, right? |
| 05:15.08 | tp43_ | CaptainDusty, no, just enabling |
| 05:15.28 | CaptainDusty | tp43_: I think you need to point to a pem file >.< |
| 05:15.44 | CaptainDusty | I may be way off, sorry. |
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| 05:16.06 | CaptainDusty | Man says you must provide a valid certificate. |
| 05:16.08 | tp43_ | CaptainDusty, I tried both ways, same thing |
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| 05:16.51 | CaptainDusty | Perhaps your certificate is invalid? |
| 05:17.31 | tp43_ | hmm, maybe, I doubt it but maybe |
| 05:17.53 | CaptainDusty | tp43_: You also don't have anything bound to port 443 already, right? |
| 05:18.13 | tp43_ | Nope just the one web server installed |
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| 05:19.05 | madage | cat /var/log/lighttpd/error.log |
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| 05:19.58 | tp43_ | madage, Just says server started, server stopped, ... |
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| 05:28.21 | madage | tp43_: did you create a socket instance? did you put your conf on conf-enabled? |
| 05:29.27 | tp43_ | madage, yeah |
| 05:30.19 | tp43_ | madage, I just copied the code from the conf-available and paste into the conf file and it worked for vhosts. I am going to do it using /sbin/lighttpd-enable-mod this time |
| 05:30.40 | tp43_ | But I did it before, same thing happen, once I enabled ssl, wouldnt restart |
| 05:31.45 | madage | the weird thing is that there are no logs on it |
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| 05:32.20 | tp43_ | madage, makes me thing it must be a minor error then |
| 05:32.27 | tp43_ | too dumb for logs |
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| 05:32.47 | tp43_ | I must be doing something so stupid, that logs can't help, |
| 05:36.04 | jim | maybe the logs will say what the error is? |
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| 05:37.10 | jim | what's it a log of? |
| 05:37.13 | tp43_ | well, things have changed. THere doesn't seem to be a lighty-enable-mod on debian either |
| 05:38.04 | jim | what program might make the logs? |
| 05:38.15 | tp43_ | Do you have debian 10. Can you install lighttpd and then enable the module? You should be able to enable ssl module with or without certs |
| 05:38.36 | tp43_ | jim, there are logs, they just are not helping here, they are not giving any clue |
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| 05:39.03 | tp43_ | path is/var/log/lighttpd/error.log |
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| 05:39.07 | jim | ok,,, so maybe the server is starting as if normal? |
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| 05:40.49 | jim | I tried apt install lighthttp |
| 05:40.57 | jim | one ht too many |
| 05:41.12 | tp43_ | lighttpd |
| 05:41.35 | jim | where's the config file? |
| 05:42.01 | tp43_ | in /etc/lighttpd |
| 05:43.30 | jim | ok I see |
| 05:43.43 | jim | how would I set the port? |
| 05:43.59 | jim | I wanna set it to like 9000 |
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| 05:46.44 | jim | cd /etc/lighttpd/conf-available |
| 05:46.45 | jim | ls |
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| 05:48.57 | tp43_ | port is in the lighttpd.conf file, it is default 80 |
| 05:49.12 | tp43_ | look for port = 80 |
| 05:49.53 | jim | ok... I'm copying the config file so I can edit it without disturbing the original: |
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| 05:50.19 | jim | cp 90-javascript-alias.conf 90-my-javascript-alias.conf |
| 05:50.34 | jim | notice the "my" in the copy |
| 05:50.39 | enri | morning morning |
| 05:50.45 | jim | hi |
| 05:51.11 | jim | I'll adjust the symlink in conf-enabled in a git |
| 05:51.14 | jim | bit |
| 05:53.48 | jim | cd ../conf-enabled/ |
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| 05:54.04 | jim | rm 90-javascript-alias.conf |
| 05:54.20 | jim | ln -s ../conf-available/90-my-javascript-alias.conf |
| 05:54.59 | jim | there... now, the configuration is in 90-my-javascript-alias.conf |
| 05:55.09 | jim | I can edit that file |
| 05:55.24 | jim | (since the link points at it) |
| 05:56.35 | jim | this way, I'm not touching the original /etc/lighttpd/conf-available files at all, I'm making a copy and editing the copy |
| 05:57.58 | jim | hmm... nothing much to edit in there |
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| 06:01.10 | b00^ | any pros here using lxdm and lxsession |
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| 06:02.13 | jim | I had a .xsession file |
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| 06:02.31 | jim | more than 20 years ago :) |
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| 06:03.26 | b00^ | lxsession is a desktop session for LXDM ... |
| 06:03.53 | jim | it's a shell script, where you start x programs with & (i.e., in the background), except for the last one... when that exits, the session is over, and it terminates |
| 06:04.11 | b00^ | that's .xsession on your home |
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| 06:04.33 | jim | so usually, the last one is a window manager |
| 06:04.51 | jim | at the time I was using fvwm and scwm |
| 06:05.21 | b00^ | .xsession is but bash script to launch whater you want as your x session really .. |
| 06:05.30 | jim | yes |
| 06:05.34 | jim | exactly |
| 06:05.51 | b00^ | but, now i can't get my lxdm (display manager) allow me to somehow start my custom session .. |
| 06:06.03 | Strum | does the default name resolution configuration use the hosts file first, or use the DNS assigned by DHCP? |
| 06:06.32 | Strum | i'm trying to setup nginx with server blocks without registered domain names |
| 06:06.38 | alkisg | Strum: grep ^hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 06:07.30 | Strum | what does that tell me? |
| 06:07.41 | alkisg | Strum: if you paste it here, it'll be easier to explain |
| 06:07.51 | Strum | ok |
| 06:07.53 | Strum | hang on |
| 06:07.54 | jim | dunno,,, what does it say? (it should be just one line) |
| 06:08.03 | alkisg | e.g. files = /etc/hosts, mdns = avahi, dns = dns... |
| 06:08.08 | alkisg | In that order |
| 06:08.13 | Strum | i'll have to ssh in to copy and paste |
| 06:08.17 | Strum | on another machine here |
| 06:08.32 | Strum | ah ok |
| 06:08.46 | Strum | no files = /etc/hosts |
| 06:08.51 | annadane | b00^, "now"? how long has it been a problem? was it working before? |
| 06:09.11 | Strum | or commas between fields |
| 06:09.14 | annadane | https://manpages.debian.org/buster/lxdm/lxdm.1.en.html has a good section under "configuration file" |
| 06:10.35 | Strum | ssh not setup yet |
| 06:10.45 | Strum | derp |
| 06:10.53 | jim | tp43_, so I'm restoring the original situation... and copying the lighttpd.conf file to lighthttp.conf-orig |
| 06:11.08 | alkisg | Strum: I meant, "files means /etc/hosts", not "you'll see a line that says files=/etc/hosts" |
| 06:11.18 | alkisg | Strum: as in, if "files" is first, then /etc/hosts is used before dns |
| 06:11.32 | Strum | oh i c |
| 06:11.38 | annadane | b00^, check that your syntax is right, not sure what it's like under lxde/lxdm but i think openbox/fluxbox are similar and i generally need to add the & character after every line; not sure what specifically is causing it to not read your changes properly |
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| 06:12.14 | Strum | do i have to do something to reload the hosts file after changing it? |
| 06:12.20 | alkisg | No |
| 06:12.25 | Strum | hmmm |
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| 06:13.21 | jim | tp43_, so now, it's just as if I installed the package... I'll enable the dir listing thing |
| 06:13.43 | jim | cd /etc/lighttpd/conf-enabled |
| 06:13.45 | annadane | i think .xsession is probably also the same way in general and .xinitrc as well, just a bunch of "exec <stuff> &" |
| 06:14.02 | annadane | & means run in background |
| 06:14.25 | jim | ln -s ../conf-available/10-dir-listing.conf |
| 06:14.27 | annadane | and you generally need them, to sequentially link the things you're going to put in those files so they all start up |
| 06:15.09 | annadane | b00^, it may also help if you actually paste your config files, maybe we can take a look at them, hard to say what's wrong if you don't do that |
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| 06:15.50 | annadane | paste.debian.net <-- |
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| 06:19.47 | jim | ok, I successfully started lighttpd... I have no files to serve though |
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| 06:41.41 | kreyren | is there an debian livecd that doesnt depend on external device? |
| 06:41.56 | alkisg | What does that mean? |
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| 06:42.24 | kreyren | expecting OS that i can boot from microSD card using USB adapter in tmpfs so that said bootable media can be removed after boot |
| 06:42.45 | kreyren | currently it depends on my phone connected which has mounted debian livecd |
| 06:42.57 | alkisg | kreyren: debian live does have a "toram" option, you just need to pass it |
| 06:43.05 | alkisg | I believe it's documented in its man page |
| 06:43.10 | kreyren | o.o |
| 06:43.15 | kreyren | rebooting to try |
| 06:43.28 | annadane | debian live has many pages strictly for debian live? |
| 06:43.32 | annadane | s/many/man |
| 06:44.02 | alkisg | https://manpages.debian.org/buster/live-boot-doc/live-boot.7.en.html |
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| 07:04.10 | kreyren | i'm getting `cp: error writing '/lib/live/mount/medium/live/initrd.img.new': No space left on device` on livecd using `toram` is there any way to fix it? expecting to make OS that is sourced from source disk to tmpfs |
| 07:04.23 | kreyren | alkisg: btw it works, thanks ^^ |
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| 07:04.42 | alkisg | kreyren: np; the documentation is in https://manpages.debian.org/buster/live-boot-doc/live-boot.7.en.html |
| 07:04.47 | kreyren | ty |
| 07:05.06 | alkisg | kreyren: no space left probably means that your RAM isn't enough to hold the cd |
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| 07:05.09 | alkisg | What are their sizes? |
| 07:05.12 | kreyren | 24GB |
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| 07:05.48 | kreyren | https://pastebin.com/raw/pseZiJYz seems that squasfs is not enough |
| 07:06.10 | kreyren | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:06.33 | Basilic | hello all |
| 07:06.42 | kreyren | waves |
| 07:06.50 | Basilic | I have upgrade my stretch to buster |
| 07:07.26 | Basilic | now I havn't sound with my normal user (sound word when logging with root) I have check that the normal user is in Audio group |
| 07:07.36 | Basilic | If anybody can help me with this problem |
| 07:07.52 | kreyren | Basilic: sound where? if it's pulseaudio app i suggest trying `pulseaudio -D` |
| 07:08.12 | kreyren | sometimes pulseaudio runlevel is translated wrong to new release |
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| 07:08.53 | Basilic | E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Daemon startup failed. |
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| 07:09.10 | kreyren | try `pulseaudio -k ; pulseaudio -D` |
| 07:09.12 | kreyren | from non-root |
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| 07:09.14 | alkisg | (10:06:09 AM) kreyren: /dev/loop0 1027712 1027712 0 100% /run/live/rootfs/filesystem.squashfs ==> squashfs is read only, it's expected to have 100% usage |
| 07:09.30 | kreyren | alkisg: ah i see |
| 07:09.37 | Basilic | kreyren: same return |
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| 07:10.08 | Basilic | yes I have launch this command with normal user |
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| 07:11.58 | ZaZaGX | hi |
| 07:12.56 | kreyren | Basilic: Hm interesting, my theory is that it's either module not loaded or some issue within the alsa/pulseaudio -> try `apt install pulseaudio --reinstall && [ 'libasound2' == "$(apt list --installed | grep -o 'libasound2')" ] && apt install libasound2 --reinstall` |
| 07:13.10 | kreyren | this is going to reinstall pulseaudio and libasound2 if it's installed |
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| 07:14.30 | kreyren | alkisg: any idea why `cp: error writing '/lib/live/mount/medium/live/initrd.img.new': No space left on device` is this present ? maybe making a symlink for that file? |
| 07:14.36 | kreyren | seems to be triggered by initramfs update |
| 07:15.31 | kreyren | referencing http://ix.io/1QQF |
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| 07:16.22 | alkisg | kreyren: eh, update-initramfs is usually disabled on live CDs as it makes no sense, you won't be able to save/reboot into it |
| 07:16.45 | alkisg | If you found a bug where it's actually triggered, just symlink it to /bin/true before it's used |
| 07:16.47 | kreyren | alkisg it ain't disabled on mine apparently -> how do i disable it |
| 07:16.58 | kreyren | ah ok |
| 07:17.26 | kreyren | alkisg: assuming presented usecase should i mask these packages? |
| 07:17.44 | alkisg | kreyren: I don't know the usecase, I don't know which things you're installing and why |
| 07:17.50 | humpled | what is the usecase ? :þ |
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| 07:18.45 | kreyren | it's expected to export this on MicroSD card using USB adapter -- OR -- Android phone using drivedroid to boot OS in tmpfs so that changes are not save with the ability to change source on demand |
| 07:18.55 | OS-53092 | l |
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| 07:19.13 | kreyren | so that i would have checkpoint of stable system and i could deprecate disks |
| 07:19.18 | alkisg | kreyren: that doesn't explain what you were trying to install and why |
| 07:19.23 | kreyren | assuming that /home would be mounted on cloud |
| 07:20.07 | kreyren | alkisg: so that i could deprecate disks :D and i have checkpoint for stable system since i used to break linux alot |
| 07:20.30 | alkisg | kreyren: I mean, you pasted the output of some `apt install` command, but you haven't told us what command that was |
| 07:20.32 | kreyren | and for project that i'm working on |
| 07:20.35 | alkisg | More specifically, not the theory |
| 07:20.46 | kreyren | alkisg: i wanted to install fuse |
| 07:21.10 | kreyren | which is dependency of nautilus |
| 07:21.18 | kreyren | and few others |
| 07:21.30 | alkisg | kreyren: are you planning to mount /home from elsewhere, and relogin? |
| 07:21.56 | kreyren | reboot since permenent changes are expected only on the source of livecd |
| 07:22.21 | kreyren | to workaround RAM storing data |
| 07:22.28 | alkisg | I don't know what that means. You can't save to .iso nor to ram. |
| 07:22.39 | alkisg | Where are you planning to save? And what, just /home, or / too? |
| 07:22.41 | kreyren | i can save to .iso |
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| 07:22.52 | alkisg | How so? It's a read-only file system, like squashfs |
| 07:23.07 | kreyren | i can extract it and then make a new iso of the content |
| 07:23.30 | alkisg | You're planning to do this while booted from a live iso? Recreate an .iso each time?! |
| 07:23.37 | kreyren | yep |
| 07:23.54 | alkisg | Why not just read the man page that I pasted, and see the sections about persistence/ |
| 07:23.55 | alkisg | ? |
| 07:24.11 | alkisg | I'm sure that live-boot developers had a lot better ideas that what you just said :) |
| 07:24.50 | kreyren | since i expected that debian woudn't help me with my configuration, checking |
| 07:25.14 | alkisg | Using live-boot with persistence isn't out of topic here |
| 07:25.22 | kreyren | ok perfect :3 |
| 07:25.27 | alkisg | Re-creating .isos on the fly might be; dunno :) |
| 07:25.33 | humpled | live-build ? |
| 07:26.13 | kreyren | humpled: yep live-build of OS since RAM is much faster and i want to experiment with linux without the need for backup |
| 07:26.39 | humpled | backup what? |
| 07:26.50 | humpled | and are you using the package live-build? |
| 07:27.15 | kreyren | humpled: nope i'm using the unofficial ISO from debian |
| 07:27.20 | kreyren | for livecd |
| 07:27.26 | alkisg | You do know that "virtual machines" are perfect for frequent tests, right? E.g. you can do multiple snapshots, discard changes, have persistent disks etc |
| 07:27.41 | kreyren | VM are not suitable for my usecase |
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| 07:27.56 | kreyren | since i'm running lots of experiments that needs to run on bare metal |
| 07:28.09 | alkisg | You can easily netboot VMs in bare metal |
| 07:28.18 | kreyren | + i broke my connector in this system for disks and i'm lazy to repair it |
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| 07:29.08 | humpled | i used my usb with persistence for a long time, it was great, |
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| 07:29.39 | humpled | you can have different persistence files, install, upgrade, even upgrade the kernel |
| 07:30.30 | humpled | but it's best if you start with your own live-build containing your own stuff |
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| 07:30.43 | kreyren | so iiuc i should parse persistence-path="/lib/live/mount/medium/live/initrd.img.new" to fix the issue above ? |
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| 07:31.04 | kreyren | is not sure if he understands the manpage |
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| 07:32.15 | humpled | i don't think i understand your use-case tbh so i should shut up :þ |
| 07:32.25 | icarus | Uh, hello, testing to see if I can write |
| 07:32.30 | alkisg | You can :) |
| 07:32.36 | icarus | Alright. This is the help channel? |
| 07:32.41 | humpled | but you can't fly ;) |
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| 07:33.07 | icarus | Because i'm dying to horrible audio quality, and it seems like whatever I try won't work |
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| 07:33.36 | A47 | icarus: now let's test your IQ. Decode this: jdjj682&$+3773:-GHjH=== |
| 07:33.47 | kreyren | humpled: if you have experience with persistence devices your input is welcomed :) or anything that is related to my usecase |
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| 07:33.53 | diogenes_ | maybe he is Franky Zapata and he can actualy fly. |
| 07:34.02 | kreyren | A47: it says hello world |
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| 07:34.37 | A47 | kreyren: It's actually HELLO WORLD. all caps. ;) |
| 07:34.46 | kreyren | can actually fly https://github.com/kreycraft0/KREYCRAFT |
| 07:34.50 | diogenes_ | kreyren, what you try to do? usb stick with persistence? |
| 07:35.14 | kreyren | diogenes_: yep or Android with DriveDroid app to be used as bootable media |
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| 07:35.42 | kreyren | expecting to boot in tmpfs without the dependency on bootable media and ability to change bootable media's data |
| 07:36.10 | diogenes_ | kreyren, i've successfully create a debian usb with persistence but it's not tmpfs unfortunately. |
| 07:36.28 | kreyren | currently issue with `/lib/live/mount/medium/live/initrd.img.new` since it's part of RO squashfs and it's required for some packages to change where `persistence-path="/lib/live/mount/medium/live/initrd.img.new"` seems to be sufficient solution |
| 07:37.01 | kreyren | diogenes_: any info is helpful, (i have 0 experience with this) |
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| 07:37.34 | icarus | I did not understand A47 . I think i know what command you're referring to, but I always forget it |
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| 07:38.11 | diogenes_ | kreyren, this is how id did it: http://dpaste.com/1DXSKVB |
| 07:38.15 | alkisg | kreyren: currently, your drivedroid is emulating an .iso; you can't write into that |
| 07:39.06 | alkisg | kreyren: one idea that might fit your case is: install debian into a usb stick or disk, of size let's say 10G; then dd those 10G to "debian.img"; finally, use THIS as source for drivedroid; this will be directly writeable |
| 07:39.17 | alkisg | So there's no need to search for "toram" or "persistence" or anything |
| 07:39.23 | kreyren | diogenes_: thanks! |
| 07:39.37 | diogenes_ | you're welcome. |
| 07:39.37 | alkisg | You just want to emulate a "usb stick installation" (not live stick) with your phone |
| 07:39.45 | dagb | how do I do this with interfaces(5) in debian 9: ip link add myname0 type dummy |
| 07:40.29 | kreyren | alkisg: drivedroid is able to mount as read+write so i can mount it on livecd and make changes it seems |
| 07:40.46 | alkisg | kreyren: nope, you cannot write into an .iso, the file system is read only |
| 07:40.49 | alkisg | It doesn't support writes |
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| 07:41.36 | alkisg | That's why I'm proposing to use a normal ext4 file system instead, not iso9660 |
| 07:42.10 | kreyren | alkisg: it seems to have some function that mounts the content of the iso in tmpfs on android and then recreates the iso |
| 07:42.12 | diogenes_ | kreyren, also you can make a live usb with all the packages and configs you need and it will boot live with your setup. |
| 07:42.40 | kreyren | alkisg: but your suggestion is more sane then rely on outdated sw |
| 07:42.48 | alkisg | kreyren: can you `touch /hello`, then reboot, and find the /hello file there? |
| 07:43.00 | alkisg | I'm betting "no" :) |
| 07:43.24 | alkisg | As the /hello file is just in the tmpfs overlay |
| 07:43.30 | kreyren | alkisg: i was able to do this with systemrescuecd, trying to mount it on current running system |
| 07:44.15 | alkisg | I've no idea what systemrescuecd does, I never had use for it; the normal live cds are more than enough |
| 07:44.41 | alkisg | Anyway, this was my suggestion; on to coding... :) |
| 07:46.03 | Strum | systemrescue cd is a live cd with a bunch of useful tools for system maintanence on it |
| 07:46.18 | Strum | there are other similar things |
| 07:46.26 | Strum | hiren's boto cd |
| 07:46.27 | alkisg | meant wrt tmpfs and persistence |
| 07:46.30 | Strum | boot |
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| 07:47.16 | kreyren | doesnt know how to mount sg2 to test it |
| 07:47.16 | Strum | i've used sysrescue for resetting windows passowrds and dealing with MBR issues, blanking discs, data recovery |
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| 07:48.23 | dagb | rephrasing my earlier question: may I create dummy interfaces with custom names in the interfaces file? |
| 07:48.36 | alkisg | Strum: yeah all those are doable from normal live cds |
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| 07:49.10 | Strum | sure |
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| 07:49.51 | Strum | sysrescue has it all installed ready to go and makes some things quick and easy |
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| 07:50.39 | kreyren | reboots to experiment |
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| 07:57.16 | jelly | dagb, I do not know whether there's infrastructure for dummy ifaces, but you can always use a stanza with "manual" configuration and put arbitrary commands into "up" and "down" lines... iface mummy0 inet manual \n \t up ip link add mummy0 type dummy \n \t down ... |
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| 08:00.39 | basilic | back |
| 08:00.51 | dagb | jelly: looks like I need to do it the ugly way, yes |
| 08:00.54 | basilic | https://pastebin.com/cNGiD5Ue |
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| 08:12.39 | kreyren | Proposed solution for `cp: error writing '/lib/live/mount/medium/live/initrd.img.new': No space left on device` doesnt work -> is there a way to change this directory to not use squashfs ? |
| 08:12.52 | Basilic | kreyren, https://pastebin.com/cNGiD5Ue |
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| 08:13.20 | kreyren | Basilic: i dont speak french ;-; did it work? |
| 08:13.38 | Basilic | all are ok, but don't work |
| 08:13.48 | jelly | !localized errors |
| 08:13.49 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
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| 08:13.56 | jelly | (for the next time) |
| 08:13.57 | Basilic | in pavucontrol I havn't hardware only fake device |
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| 08:14.40 | kreyren | hm just to be sane `[ ! -x $(command -v curl) ] && apt install curl ; (apt update -y && apt upgrade -y && apt dist-upgrade -y) | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io` |
| 08:14.54 | kreyren | to verify that your system is updated where output is going to be sent on ix.io |
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| 08:15.39 | kreyren | `[ ! -x $(command -v curl) ] && env LC_ALL=C apt install curl ; ( env LC_ALL=C apt update -y && env LC_ALL=C apt upgrade -y && env LC_ALL=C apt dist-upgrade -y) | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io` |
| 08:15.42 | kreyren | to get english output |
| 08:15.52 | kreyren | ty jelly |
| 08:15.56 | Basilic | with normal user, sudo or root? |
| 08:16.00 | kreyren | as root |
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| 08:16.40 | jelly | that won't "verify" the system is upgraded as much as try to forcibly do it... |
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| 08:17.08 | Basilic | Curl not found |
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| 08:17.31 | kreyren | jelly: doubt since -f is not provided to forcebly update |
| 08:17.32 | Basilic | I install it |
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| 08:18.06 | Basilic | https://pastebin.com/sj1xQ6KS |
| 08:18.08 | icarus | Back again. I have to ask, what am I supposed to do to reduce the insane sound latency for voice chatting? |
| 08:18.22 | kreyren | `[ ! -x $(command -v curl) ] && env LC_ALL=C apt install curl -y ; ( env LC_ALL=C apt update -y 2>&1 && env LC_ALL=C apt upgrade -y 2>&1 && env LC_ALL=C apt dist-upgrade -y 2>&1) | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io` |
| 08:18.41 | kreyren | Basilic: try this after jelly provides sanity check |
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| 08:19.08 | kreyren | forget to capture sterr |
| 08:19.18 | Basilic | http://ix.io/1oxI |
| 08:19.44 | icarus | How can I get help? I'm honestly desperate at this point |
| 08:19.56 | kreyren | Basilic: that looks like wrong url did you copy the right thing? |
| 08:20.28 | jelly | Basilic, that does not seem to be the right URL |
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| 08:20.33 | Basilic | https://pastebin.com/R4sdKBkZ |
| 08:20.49 | Basilic | yes I don't understand this |
| 08:21.05 | kreyren | it generates http://ix.io/1QQX on my system, interesting |
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| 08:21.53 | jelly | kreyren, -y forces some things as well |
| 08:22.33 | kreyren | Basilic: `[ ! -x $(command -v curl) ] && env LC_ALL=C apt install curl -y ; ( env LC_ALL=C apt update -y 2>&1 && env LC_ALL=C apt upgrade -y 2>&1 && env LC_ALL=C apt dist-upgrade -y 2>&1) | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io` try this i guess seems that either curl failed or ix.io returned wrong url which i never seen before (excluding ix.io failed to return |
| 08:22.33 | kreyren | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:23.07 | kreyren | jelly: true, but that is sane to do on regular debian afaik.. |
| 08:23.20 | kreyren | and without it we can't capture output in ix.io |
| 08:23.24 | kreyren | well we can in theory |
| 08:23.34 | kreyren | since it's in subshell |
| 08:24.05 | Basilic | http://ix.io/1QR1 seems better |
| 08:24.06 | icarus | Anyone knows a discord server then? I'm really desperate atm for a bit of help with audio |
| 08:24.26 | kreyren | Basilic: perfect, so we confirmed that your system is up-to-date |
| 08:24.53 | kreyren | my theory is that it's missing loaded module for your device then |
| 08:25.27 | kreyren | Basilic: give me output of `find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -type f -name '*.ko*' | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io"` to see which modules are available |
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| 08:27.46 | kreyren | Basilic: and `cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io"` it may need backport of something |
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| 08:30.17 | Basilic | this is not work |
| 08:30.27 | Basilic | have a prompt line |
| 08:30.53 | Basilic | not my fault |
| 08:30.59 | kreyren | promp line? what does it say? |
| 08:31.01 | Basilic | wrong copy/past |
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| 08:31.39 | Basilic | http://ix.io/1QR3 |
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| 08:32.01 | Basilic | strange taht normal http was in comment |
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| 08:32.15 | kreyren | ah i see mb |
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| 08:33.04 | kreyren | Fixed: `find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -type f -name '*.ko*' | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io` |
| 08:33.08 | Basilic | in synaptic http://ftp.fr.debian.org/devian wasn"t comment |
| 08:33.27 | kreyren | fixed: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io |
| 08:33.43 | kreyren | Basilic: is ntoed |
| 08:33.45 | kreyren | *ntoed |
| 08:33.47 | kreyren | *noted |
| 08:33.53 | kreyren | can't write apparently |
| 08:34.17 | Basilic | empty reply |
| 08:34.27 | kreyren | if err 52 -> try again |
| 08:34.32 | kreyren | common issue with ix.io |
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| 08:35.36 | Basilic | http://ix.io/1QR8 |
| 08:35.58 | icarus | Is it normal for audio to be so choppy and poppy, even after messing with pulseaudio? |
| 08:36.02 | Basilic | very long list |
| 08:36.44 | kreyren | yep yep since it has to work everywhere :p |
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| 08:36.52 | jelly | icarus, what kind of audio? normal playing of music file? recording? mic? |
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| 08:37.00 | kreyren | now the other `cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io` |
| 08:37.13 | kreyren | and i need your hardware name |
| 08:37.22 | kreyren | and connection method |
| 08:38.07 | kreyren | jelly: is it sane to recommend backports on buster? I guess it might be fastest solution to Basilic's issue |
| 08:38.08 | Basilic | http://ix.io/1QR3 |
| 08:39.18 | kreyren | jelly: would recommend https://pastebin.com/raw/VRSVrbjW |
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| 08:40.29 | kreyren | Basilic: it might be something non-free too.. what is your CPU vendor? |
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| 08:40.45 | kreyren | i'm thinking microcode update |
| 08:41.10 | Basilic | seems intel |
| 08:41.26 | Basilic | Intel core i5-4440 |
| 08:41.50 | kreyren | Basilic: try `apt install intel-microcode` |
| 08:42.14 | Basilic | I start by apt-get update |
| 08:42.24 | Basilic | upgrade? |
| 08:42.36 | Basilic | I have replace apt source list |
| 08:42.47 | Basilic | by your recommendation |
| 08:43.13 | jelly | kreyren, I have not tracked the issue, but that sources.list has "stable" in it which is NOT a good idea |
| 08:43.17 | kreyren | Basilic: dont do it just yet i was making sanity check with other debian users since i'm not sure how it's handled on current debian |
| 08:43.39 | jelly | use code names, "buster", not "stable" |
| 08:43.44 | Basilic | I have update list |
| 08:43.50 | Basilic | not upgrade |
| 08:43.58 | kreyren | Basilic: stand by, fixing the list for you |
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| 08:44.51 | kreyren | Basilic: use this one https://pastebin.com/raw/3GX5ZT3J and make a system update |
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| 08:45.29 | kreyren | also followup with `apt install intel-microcode and firmware-linux` which is going to install proprietary sources in case your system needs them |
| 08:45.32 | Basilic | update runing |
| 08:45.58 | kreyren | (it will use these only if your system needs them remove them if you dont want not-FOSS friendly software) |
| 08:46.40 | kreyren | edit: `apt install intel-microcode firmware-linux` |
| 08:46.43 | kreyren | without the and there xD |
| 08:47.02 | jelly | reading back... what does intel-microcode have to do with "pulseaudio not showing sound card"? |
| 08:47.21 | kreyren | jelly: i suspect it's using audio hardware which doesn't have FOSS alternative |
| 08:47.23 | jelly | and Basilic stated sound worked as root? |
| 08:47.31 | Basilic | yes |
| 08:47.39 | Basilic | jelly, as root desktop |
| 08:47.42 | jelly | so drivers or firmware are ok |
| 08:47.48 | Basilic | the sound work at start |
| 08:47.56 | Basilic | I don't know now |
| 08:47.57 | Basilic | ll |
| 08:47.59 | Basilic | lol |
| 08:47.59 | kreyren | i didn't saw that sound worked as root.. mb (i was rebooting a lot) |
| 08:48.25 | Basilic | that in my initial ask I think |
| 08:48.35 | Basilic | but I have reboot too |
| 08:48.43 | Basilic | that install |
| 08:48.46 | jelly | Basilic, it's possible running desktop as root has changed some permissions and made access to either pulseaudio daemon or sound device impossible for normal user |
| 08:49.18 | kreyren | jelly: that would be fixed by reinstalling of pulseaudio and libasound2 afaik |
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| 08:49.25 | Basilic | desktop work as debian 9 with normal user, I upgraded to 10 and start with normal user |
| 08:49.29 | Basilic | without sound |
| 08:49.29 | jelly | kreyren, why would reinstalling fix it? |
| 08:49.39 | Basilic | I only use root for testing |
| 08:49.44 | kreyren | jelly: afaik it would remove the package and install it with default rules |
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| 08:50.20 | kreyren | unless end-user made changes in /etc and/or /home |
| 08:50.29 | jelly | kreyren, that only happens if you purge and install anew, or specifically do |
| 08:50.31 | jelly | !confnew |
| 08:50.31 | dpkg | [confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>. See also <confmiss>. |
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| 08:50.37 | sourcream | I am connect to vps with SSH using putty. When I have typed something and do "clear" after, the line where my "cursor" is gets above the putty terminal |
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| 08:50.41 | sourcream | and I cant see what im typing |
| 08:50.44 | Basilic | I have remove pusle configuration file too |
| 08:50.50 | jelly | kreyren, and you want to be careful about the right package, too |
| 08:51.20 | kreyren | jelly: afaik using --reinstall is less lethal with simmilar result |
| 08:51.31 | jelly | kreyren, your k is not correct |
| 08:51.32 | kreyren | if end-user run it as root that changed some file permissions |
| 08:51.57 | kreyren | -> --reinstall would fix these afaik |
| 08:52.38 | jelly | we're running in circles. I've already commented on that. |
| 08:52.44 | kreyren | Basilic: `groups | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io` on your user |
| 08:52.49 | Basilic | https://pastebin.com/6jeVcjwc <-- microcode install |
| 08:52.54 | kreyren | jelly: noted, mb then |
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| 08:53.17 | jelly | either confnew or purge and install, and make sure it's the right package |
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| 08:53.46 | Basilic | http://ix.io/1QRo |
| 08:55.23 | kreyren | Basilic: `cat /etc/group | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io` |
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| 08:55.59 | Basilic | http://ix.io/1QRp |
| 08:58.09 | kreyren | i dont have confidence to suggest confnew so lets try `apt purge pulseaudio && apt install pulseaudio` |
| 08:58.17 | kreyren | Basilic |
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| 08:58.37 | kreyren | rebooting |
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| 08:59.19 | jelly | Basilic, be careful doing a purge of pulseaudio with apt because apt might want to remove a whole lot of other packages |
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| 08:59.55 | kreyren | is back |
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| 09:00.05 | Basilic | seem I have right to do purge and install |
| 09:00.26 | Basilic | impossible to open lock /var/lig/dpkg/lock-frontend |
| 09:00.34 | jelly | Basilic, I'd suggest doing it with dpkg, not apt, and doing it after you check alsa can see the audio devices normally |
| 09:01.01 | kreyren | jelly: take over then i dont want to suggest confnew :D |
| 09:01.09 | Basilic | I'm not familiar with dpkg what the correct command |
| 09:01.10 | kreyren | i think it's issue with module not loaded |
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| 09:02.21 | Basilic | dpkg -r pulseaudio? |
| 09:02.21 | dpkg | removes pulseaudio along with a pound of flesh from basilic's body, then staples basilic back up with a staple gun. |
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| 09:02.51 | kreyren | rofl.. |
| 09:02.52 | jelly | Basilic, first, does "aplay -l" (as normal user) show your sound card devices? |
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| 09:03.47 | Basilic | https://pastebin.com/zMYPgcsB |
| 09:03.53 | Basilic | need the first device |
| 09:04.10 | Basilic | card 0 PCH HDA instel analog sound |
| 09:04.12 | jelly | that seems fine |
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| 09:04.47 | Basilic | but that not present in pavucontrol |
| 09:04.52 | jelly | Basilic, okay, next, is there a pulseaudio process running right now? ps -fe |grep pulseaudio |
| 09:05.38 | Basilic | yes it's running : usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no |
| 09:06.06 | jelly | show the whole line, I'd like to know whether it's running as your normal user or as root |
| 09:06.30 | Basilic | running by me |
| 09:06.33 | Basilic | normal user |
| 09:06.41 | Basilic | basilic 1894 945 0 10:14 ? 00:00:02 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no |
| 09:06.54 | jelly | interesting |
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| 09:07.17 | Basilic | pusleaudio running but seems not access to the sound card in normal user |
| 09:07.36 | kreyren | Basilic: `printf "ix() { curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io ; }" >> ~/.bashrc && source ~/.bashrc` execute this from your user and you will be able to use `command | ix` to capture output |
| 09:07.42 | jelly | Basilic, can you do "pactl exit" as normal user, and verify the process died after that? |
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| 09:09.30 | jelly | Basilic, when it's dead, do "mv ~/.pulse ~/.pulse-old", log off, log on back, see if it's started again, and see if there's anything different in pavucontrol, esp. on the Configuration and Output Devices tabs |
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| 09:11.30 | Basilic | jelly, it's kill |
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| 09:11.30 | Basilic | jelly I don't have .pulse on my home |
| 09:11.30 | jelly | (that mv should clean the per-user config and re-log-in and will make a fresh one when pulseaudio is started again as part of the login session) |
| 09:11.30 | jelly | huh |
| 09:11.30 | Basilic | it's inconfig |
| 09:11.30 | Basilic | it's in a config folder |
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| 09:11.30 | anon | testy |
| 09:11.30 | jelly | Basilic, ls -ld ~ ~/.pulse ~/.config/pulse |
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| 09:12.04 | Basilic | https://pastebin.com/5kuUmbXc |
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| 09:12.51 | jelly | Basilic, ok, so rename that ~/.config/pulse to something else, then |
| 09:13.06 | jelly | and then log off and back on |
| 09:13.21 | jelly | I guess this is just how newer version works |
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| 09:16.44 | basilic | back |
| 09:16.48 | basilic | with sound |
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| 09:17.23 | basilic | jelly, kreyren thank for your help |
| 09:17.33 | basilic | I hope it's always ok after a reboot lol |
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| 09:17.40 | kreyren | basilic: if i helped at all xD |
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| 09:26.43 | basilic | back always with sound |
| 09:26.44 | basilic | :) |
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| 10:01.12 | ZaZaGX | ? |
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| 10:06.06 | ZaZaGX | should i upgrade to debian testing? i'm not sure if i sure, any input? |
| 10:06.14 | ZaZaGX | should* |
| 10:06.28 | towo` | why? |
| 10:06.42 | towo` | and if you have to ask, don't do it |
| 10:07.33 | ZaZaGX | just because lots of linux distro are doing it? because i do want updated software. but dont really need it |
| 10:08.37 | tarzeau | ZaZaGX: which other distros doing it? running testing is stupid, either run stable or unstable |
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| 10:08.44 | tarzeau | !simple backport |
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| 10:09.39 | jelly | ZaZaGX, if you don't know, the answer is "no" |
| 10:10.44 | ZaZaGX | from what i read Ubuntu is using Debian testing |
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| 10:10.57 | jelly | or alternatively, sure go ahead, but then you don't get to ask questions in here when something goes wrong |
| 10:11.06 | jelly | so less work for us volunteers |
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| 10:12.36 | jelly | ZaZaGX, they do, however Canonical, the company making Ubuntu, also has a dozen paid engineers to polish the rough parts, and about a third of the software is completely their own and does not come from Debian anyway |
| 10:13.18 | jelly | if you have a couple paid people to fix things, go ahead and use testing |
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| 10:14.14 | alkisg | ZaZaGX: "about a third of sofware"? how do you measure that? Last time I checked, Canonical didn't have 10000+ packages of their own... |
| 10:14.34 | alkisg | I'd guess less than 100 are ubuntu-only |
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| 10:15.10 | jelly | alkisg, published stats for source package numbers |
| 10:15.31 | alkisg | jelly: hmm? Any links to enlighten me? |
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| 10:16.40 | alkisg | jelly: are you talking about "xxx-0ubuntu1" packages? Those are small .diffs on top of debian packages |
| 10:17.04 | jelly | alkisg, no, source packages. |
| 10:17.20 | alkisg | Can you point me to some link about it? |
| 10:17.43 | alkisg | I'm developing for both Debian and Ubuntu, and what you're saying sounds very unreal to me |
| 10:18.01 | jelly | maybe, the 30% source coming from canonical number was from a couple years back |
| 10:18.35 | alkisg | I'd guess around 3%, from 15 years back since I've been keeping an eye on these things... |
| 10:18.39 | jelly | nope |
| 10:18.43 | alkisg | Link? :) |
| 10:18.44 | jelly | 70/30 |
| 10:18.56 | jelly | don't have one |
| 10:19.01 | alkisg | Maybe you misunderstood something, or I'm misunderstanding what you're saying now |
| 10:19.04 | jelly | nope |
| 10:19.16 | jelly | that was 2-5 years back, not more |
| 10:19.16 | alkisg | But I've never seen Ubuntu archives have 30% more packages than debian |
| 10:19.36 | alkisg | I've started with Debian in 2003, with Ubuntu in 2007... I'd have noticed... |
| 10:19.46 | jelly | why would they have _more_, they're just different |
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| 10:20.08 | jelly | and not counting universe or multiverse |
| 10:20.25 | jelly | which are basically unmaintained and unsupported |
| 10:20.45 | alkisg | Universe packages are in many cases the same as debian main packages |
| 10:20.51 | alkisg | I wouldn't call that unmaintained |
| 10:21.04 | colo-work | but they don't have security support in ubuntu. |
| 10:21.05 | jelly | I would. |
| 10:21.20 | alkisg | Anyway, I'm pretty sure this isn't the case, but I can't disprove it unless there's some real link about it |
| 10:21.29 | jelly | shrugs |
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| 10:27.30 | jelly | and that's just deb-src (and deb), more stuff is packaged and pushed in snap format by canonical |
| 10:28.43 | alkisg | (01:19:46 PM) jelly: why would they have _more_, they're just different ==> can you point me to ONE deb that "is different", to see what you're talking about? |
| 10:29.13 | jelly | alkisg, everything unity related, for example, not in debian at all |
| 10:29.33 | alkisg | jelly: I'm asking about the "different" part that you said |
| 10:29.43 | alkisg | I do know that some packages are not pushed in debian; they're less than 100 |
| 10:29.59 | jelly | alkisg, kernel. |
| 10:30.04 | alkisg | And also some were initially developed by canonical, and pushed in debian, and are synced from there |
| 10:30.31 | jelly | hwe stacks. |
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| 10:30.39 | alkisg | hwe stacks don't exist in debian |
| 10:30.49 | jelly | all the components do. |
| 10:31.51 | alkisg | For example, "package pinta is packaged in debian from one maintainer, and yet packaged again from scratch in ubuntu without ever synching from debian" ==> do you mean such packages? I believe those would be extremely rare |
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| 10:33.03 | jelly | more like kernel and glibc |
| 10:33.06 | themill | They should be; that is not the same as that being so. |
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| 10:33.45 | themill | is dealing with cases where packages were updated in ubuntu but not in debian right now |
| 10:34.01 | jelly | the fact debian and ubuntu have to _sync_ means there are separate deb-src trees |
| 10:34.34 | jelly | afaik only some maintainer teams overlap and collaborate well enough to keep things in a single git |
| 10:35.14 | tarzeau | jelly: ubuntu has an archive autosync debian2ubuntu, i don't know of anything the other way |
| 10:35.35 | alkisg | jelly, on each release, one syncs with its upstream, and then "backports" fixes when needed. Debian "syncs" the source from upstream; Ubuntu "syncs" both source and packaging from debian |
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| 10:36.04 | themill | alkisg: you're explaining what is supposed to happen to people who know what does happen. |
| 10:36.08 | jelly | alkisg, that's not how debian works |
| 10:36.39 | alkisg | themill: do you have a link that says that ubuntu has 30% more source packages than debian? That's the conflict we're trying to solve here |
| 10:36.43 | tarzeau | alkisg: they are extremly rare, almost non-existant |
| 10:36.44 | alkisg | I claim that this is not the case |
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| 10:36.52 | themill | alkisg: I don't think anyone has claimed that |
| 10:37.20 | alkisg | themill: jelly did; please read the logs; or, I completely misunderstood then? |
| 10:37.26 | themill | you have misunderstood |
| 10:37.27 | jelly | alkisg, but the technical aspects of syncing are less important, I remember something like "70% source packages in ubuntu main coming from debian" |
| 10:37.28 | tarzeau | with the dead of unity, ubuntu doesn't have anything, debian doesn't have as well |
| 10:37.44 | alkisg | themill: what did that "30% more packages" mean then? |
| 10:37.45 | tarzeau | jelly: i'd say it's 90% |
| 10:37.57 | jelly | tarzeau, canonical has quite a bit more than just unity in their distro |
| 10:38.15 | themill | alkisg: not syncing packages â having more packages |
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| 10:38.28 | tarzeau | jelly: like? |
| 10:38.37 | jelly | alkisg, noone said 30% more packages, but 30% managed by ubuntu themselves |
| 10:38.40 | tarzeau | jelly: hardly anything intersting, and valuable |
| 10:38.42 | alkisg | themill: this sentence: (01:12:36 PM) jelly: ZaZaGX, they do, however Canonical, the company making Ubuntu, also has a dozen paid engineers to polish the rough parts, and about a third of the software is completely their own and does not come from Debian anyway |
| 10:38.51 | alkisg | themill: was what I objected to |
| 10:38.57 | alkisg | Was I wrong to object? |
| 10:39.00 | themill | alkisg: that is not saying 30% more. |
| 10:39.13 | themill | you are the only person to use the word "more". |
| 10:39.15 | alkisg | themill: "a third" is around "33%" |
| 10:39.26 | jelly | tarzeau, the whole of openstack, for example |
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| 10:40.47 | jelly | that's like 30-100 components on its own, depending on time of day and moon phase |
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| 10:42.10 | jelly | tarzeau, what enduser sees as "ubuntu" is basically just marketing for canonical, and base OS for the software _and services_ they actually make money from |
| 10:42.19 | jelly | (IMHO) |
| 10:42.42 | themill | .oO( ⦠returning to Debian user support now ⦠) |
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| 10:44.25 | jelly | alkisg, I may or may not have time to look up the quote later, #debian-offtopic is right next door however |
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| 10:44.53 | tarzeau | jelly: i'm able to count 430 packages in ubuntu 19.10 that are not in debian sid. and sid has 160 pkgs more that ubuntu 19.10 doesn't have |
| 10:45.14 | tarzeau | jelly: mind you, that's without the http://bootes.ethz.ch/bts/ 360 packages in debian new queue |
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| 10:46.03 | tarzeau | jelly: what the enduser sees is omgubuntu. what canonical does is replace deb packages with snaps, enforcing them on users. and a whole bunch of spyware/callhome software (like motd-news) |
| 10:46.07 | jelly | tarzeau, can you filter out just for ubuntu main, ie. those that are actually supported |
| 10:46.43 | alkisg | jelly: sure, if you find a link, ping me and I'll come there; btw http://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages?format=txt.gz says 89108 and http://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/allpackages?format=txt.gz says 89768; I doubt that 30.000 of them are ubuntu-own, afaik canonical doesn't have enough developers to do that |
| 10:46.44 | alkisg | In any case, themill is right, let's get back to debian user support :) |
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| 10:54.14 | ZaZaGX | i have a question about the source list.do i need to enable the (Source Code)? |
| 10:54.29 | tarzeau | ZaZaGX: no |
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| 10:55.53 | ZaZaGX | why are they there than? |
| 10:56.07 | tarzeau | for people that want to review the source? |
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| 10:56.20 | tarzeau | try to debug software? build with different options? |
| 10:57.30 | jelly | ZaZaGX, 1) free software licensing requires user be able to fetch source code easily 2) and some users might actually do something with that source, what tarzeau suggested |
| 10:57.51 | ZaZaGX | oh ic |
| 10:58.18 | ZaZaGX | not sure if my source list is right, can you guys take a look? where can i upload a screen shot? |
| 10:58.25 | jelly | !paste |
| 10:58.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 10:58.34 | jelly | !buster sources.list |
| 10:58.34 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 11:00.31 | jelly | ,v octopussy |
| 11:00.32 | judd | No package named 'octopussy' was found in amd64. |
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| 11:02.22 | ZaZaGX | https://file.io/N9FJy3 |
| 11:03.31 | ZaZaGX | oh geez, it didn't work. |
| 11:03.33 | ZaZaGX | https://file.io/uwnMN6 |
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| 11:04.03 | jelly | file.io might be hating my ad blocker, but both of those are 404 here |
| 11:04.32 | ZaZaGX | omg now i have an error |
| 11:05.25 | jelly | are you unable to use a text pastebin site? |
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| 11:05.31 | jelly | !pastebinit |
| 11:05.32 | dpkg | A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg 2>&1 | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 11:06.39 | ZaZaGX | wow, all those sites you recommend from the bot, sucks |
| 11:06.46 | ZaZaGX | i keep getting an error messages |
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| 11:10.10 | m1000px | hi hi hi |
| 11:10.18 | ZaZaGX | omg looks like those sharing image hosts are not free anymore |
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| 11:11.48 | themill | ZaZaGX: is there any need to not use paste.debian.net? |
| 11:12.02 | ZaZaGX | pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.listpastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:12.20 | ZaZaGX | my picture exceeds 150KB |
| 11:13.11 | EoflaOE | ZaZaGX: Does imgur work for you for your picture? |
| 11:13.17 | ZaZaGX | nope |
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| 11:13.24 | ZaZaGX | gives me an error |
| 11:13.45 | EoflaOE | ZaZaGX: And an error message says what? |
| 11:13.49 | ZaZaGX | i just downloaded pastebinit |
| 11:13.55 | ZaZaGX | https://paste.debian.net/1094762/ |
| 11:14.27 | ZaZaGX | Could not add your entry to the paste database: |
| 11:14.28 | ZaZaGX | Length of code is not allowed to exceed 150kB |
| 11:16.20 | ZaZaGX | am i missing a line? everything looks okay? |
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| 11:16.49 | ZaZaGX | i got CD-ROM error message in the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:16.54 | ZaZaGX | so i deleted them |
| 11:18.57 | jim | that's unusual... did you just install this debian installation? |
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| 11:19.30 | jim | could it be you uncommented the top few lines? |
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| 11:20.04 | ZaZaGX | i got this link from someone on here for the sources |
| 11:20.06 | ZaZaGX | https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 11:20.39 | jim | reason I ask... is the installer should have commented them |
| 11:20.50 | ZaZaGX | yeah |
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| 11:21.14 | jim | what did you tell the generator about what sources to generate? |
| 11:21.14 | ZaZaGX | i would get CD-ROM errors when i apt-get update |
| 11:21.35 | ZaZaGX | i just picked buster and it generated me some sources, so i used them |
| 11:21.43 | ZaZaGX | other wise its blank |
| 11:22.07 | jim | so you left all the buttons selected? |
| 11:23.02 | ZaZaGX | when i download the non free firmware with debian 10, it didn't give me the CD-ROM error in sources.list - but i reformatted the whole hard drive with the official debian 10 iso |
| 11:23.17 | wwilliam | Hello: there are definetly no zip files in the dir, why is this not returning the desire output? |
| 11:23.20 | wwilliam | root@debian:/home/afernandez/u/production/axa#if ! find . -maxdepth 1 -type f -name "*.zip"; then echo "no files found";else echo "command is not working";fi |
| 11:23.22 | wwilliam | command is not working |
| 11:23.51 | ZaZaGX | oh yes, i did jim |
| 11:23.54 | jelly | ZaZaGX, that debgen page generates incorrect sources.list |
| 11:24.04 | jelly | avoid it. |
| 11:24.07 | ZaZaGX | ah |
| 11:24.10 | jim | any third-party repos? |
| 11:24.35 | ZaZaGX | oh |
| 11:24.42 | ZaZaGX | !sources |
| 11:24.42 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 11:25.00 | ZaZaGX | yeah those sources from the bot, i can only add one of them, not all 3 |
| 11:25.17 | themill | ugh... why do people insist on using debgen :( |
| 11:25.33 | jim | it looks handy |
| 11:25.49 | ZaZaGX | someone gave it to me, i think it was keyren |
| 11:26.21 | ZaZaGX | what are the correct sources am i suppose to have than? |
| 11:26.36 | jelly | ZaZaGX, remove all the lines with "stable" in them, replace "ftp.debian.org" with "deb.debian.org" in the buster-backports line, append " contrib non-free" to that same line for consistency, and that's it |
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| 11:26.45 | jim | look at what dpkg just said |
| 11:27.10 | ZaZaGX | jim, it only lets me add one line, not all 3 |
| 11:27.22 | jelly | it? |
| 11:27.36 | jelly | you have a text editor that does not let you add more than one line? |
| 11:27.47 | jim | you just need to edit the file with a text editor |
| 11:27.51 | ZaZaGX | GUI Software & Updates < Other Software |
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| 11:29.15 | jelly | ZaZaGX, no idea what that is, but quit that, open a terminal, if you have sudo, run sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list to edit the file |
| 11:29.18 | jim | I'm late to this party,,, do you want just a working sources.list, one that would be the result of a fresh install? |
| 11:29.40 | ZaZaGX | jim, sure |
| 11:30.37 | jim | ok, what were you using that only let you add one line? |
| 11:30.40 | alkisg | wwilliam: find /bin -name asdf && echo yes ==> successfully searches, finds 0 files, prints yes |
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| 11:31.28 | ZaZaGX | the GUI |
| 11:31.33 | wwilliam | i need if file not found to exit the script |
| 11:31.42 | wwilliam | alkisg: Thanks. |
| 11:31.47 | jim | I'm not sure I understand... could you be more specific? |
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| 11:33.07 | ZaZaGX | https://www.pontikis.net/blog/media/2016/10/package-management-system-update-ubuntu-desktop/post/software-updates-01.png |
| 11:33.16 | ZaZaGX | this thing, but its in debian 10 |
| 11:33.35 | ZaZaGX | in the Other Software tab, is the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:33.35 | alkisg | wwilliam: test "$(find /bin -name asdf)" = "" && echo no match |
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| 11:34.20 | jim | ZaZaGX, which text editor do you like? |
| 11:34.22 | wwilliam | Thank you alkisg |
| 11:34.56 | alkisg | np |
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| 11:35.30 | oblivion | Hi again! |
| 11:35.36 | jim | hi |
| 11:35.47 | ZaZaGX | i'm in the nano already in the sources.list |
| 11:36.21 | oblivion | Anyone at work? |
| 11:36.47 | whislock | yup |
| 11:37.51 | jim | ZaZaGX, want a sources.list that has -only- those sources (as if from a fresh install)? |
| 11:37.59 | ZaZaGX | yeah |
| 11:38.32 | ZaZaGX | jim, are you using buster? |
| 11:38.47 | jim | ok, that's easy. clear everything out of the file, then add those three quoted things, take off the quotes, and put each one on a line |
| 11:38.59 | jim | then save the file |
| 11:39.08 | jim | yep |
| 11:39.36 | jim | I do weird stuff, you probably don't want to do what I do :) |
| 11:40.08 | oblivion | Please, do elaborate on your weird stuff :] |
| 11:40.15 | ZaZaGX | sounds weird |
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| 11:40.53 | jim | let me know when you've saved the file with the three lines in it |
| 11:42.03 | ZaZaGX | ? |
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| 11:42.49 | jim | oblivion, I have a couple extra files... sources.list.m4 and a Makefile |
| 11:43.04 | ZaZaGX | hmmm, i added the 3 lines |
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| 11:43.16 | ZaZaGX | on the GUI Software & Updates, it only shows 1 line |
| 11:44.08 | jim | ZaZaGX, ok. could you run: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 11:45.10 | ZaZaGX | https://termbin.com/w3zs |
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| 11:45.48 | jim | ok, do you want contrib and non-free? |
| 11:47.00 | ZaZaGX | i don't think i need it |
| 11:47.17 | jim | ok, then you're all set... run: apt update |
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| 11:47.51 | ZaZaGX | i already did |
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| 11:49.06 | jim | ZaZaGX, no errors? |
| 11:50.00 | ZaZaGX | nope |
| 11:50.17 | jim | great :) you should be able to install stuff now |
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| 11:53.41 | ZaZaGX | lol thanks |
| 11:54.06 | jim | welcome |
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| 11:56.26 | jim | sources.list is a fairly touchy file... I recommend you don't touch it for awhile... and, if you ever need the contrib and/or non-free sections, ask here how to change your sources.list to add them |
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| 12:02.14 | at0m | !sources.list |
| 12:02.14 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 12:18.17 | oblivion | !sources.list |
| 12:18.22 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 12:20.20 | oblivion | People recommend using buster as a Server OS? headless without desktop environment |
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| 12:22.26 | colo-work | oblivion, what's your actual question? |
| 12:22.45 | colo-work | (I happen to recommend that. But it's also a fine desktop OS with a GUI.) |
| 12:24.24 | whislock | Debian is a fantastic server OS. |
| 12:25.16 | jelly | been running buster in production on user-visible servers for 6 months now |
| 12:25.31 | jelly | okay it's just one server. |
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| 12:26.16 | jelly | but it's running a service which makes users complain "internet is NOT WORKING" when it's down... |
| 12:26.55 | oblivion | Is it... DNS? |
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| 12:27.05 | jelly | !win oblivion |
| 12:27.05 | dpkg | Congratulations, oblivion! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 12:29.59 | oblivion | US presidency, who'd want that |
| 12:30.18 | jelly | orange you glad that's just a joke |
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| 12:41.14 | daniel1302 | Hey I have question I installed new debian 10 on kvm |
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| 12:41.27 | daniel1302 | I have 2 interfaces one nat and second one bridge |
| 12:41.38 | daniel1302 | bridge has static ip 192.168.0.110 |
| 12:42.11 | daniel1302 | it is ens4. ens3 is nat and has dhcp but if i forced static ip on ens4, then ens3 lost its ip |
| 12:42.23 | daniel1302 | dhclient does not exists |
| 12:42.34 | daniel1302 | how can i send request for new ip from dhcp server?? |
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| 12:44.02 | jim | so you want a static IP on that interface? |
| 12:44.32 | daniel1302 | no i want to ip from dhcp |
| 12:44.44 | daniel1302 | ens3 should has 192.168.122.XXX |
| 12:44.52 | jelly | daniel1302, are both of those interfaces connected to the same network segment? How is your network configured, /etc/network/interfaces or systemd-networkd or nm? |
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| 12:45.18 | daniel1302 | it had but when i assigned static ip and restarted vm ip on ens3 have been lost |
| 12:45.24 | daniel1302 | /network/interfaces |
| 12:45.28 | daniel1302 | let me show you config |
| 12:45.32 | jelly | !paste |
| 12:45.32 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 12:46.15 | daniel1302 | http://paste.debian.net/1094773/ |
| 12:47.00 | wwilliam | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a782403f/ |
| 12:47.08 | daniel1302 | this is my ip a http://paste.debian.net/1094775/ |
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| 12:50.25 | daniel1302 | Â/23 |
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| 12:56.44 | alkisg | daniel1302: dhclient is in /usr/sbin/dhclient; check if you have this in your PATH |
| 12:57.57 | wwilliam | how do i test for the existence of *.zip in a dir? |
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| 12:58.18 | daniel1302 | Ânow i hav |
| 12:58.28 | daniel1302 | Now i have ip on both interfaces |
| 12:58.31 | daniel1302 | wow |
| 12:58.32 | newtodeb | hey guys any of you know the following syslos message memes4all systemd[1]: session-69.scope: Succeeded. it seems that it killed my screen session because it failed at the same time. |
| 12:58.37 | tarzeau | wwilliam: ls *.zip &>/dev/null; echo $? |
| 12:59.40 | tarzeau | wwilliam: you didn't say anything about if the file really must be a zip file (file would be needed) nor if the filesystem is case sensitive, as in if there's *.ZIP files |
| 13:00.13 | wwilliam | yes the file is and will be just a *.zip |
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| 13:00.36 | thelounge59 | Yo ! |
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| 13:14.02 | BCMM | wwilliam: in bash, you can do [ -f *.zip ], rather than calling ls |
| 13:15.02 | Habbie | that only works for zero or one zip file though |
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| 13:15.46 | BCMM | oh, good point |
| 13:16.11 | colo-work | shop -s failglob |
| 13:16.15 | colo-work | shop -s nullglob |
| 13:16.20 | colo-work | shopt* |
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| 13:19.39 | linuxthefish | hey, in network manager GUI when adding an IPv6 route, how do I add a default route? |
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| 13:53.55 | newtodeb | hey guys any of you know the following syslos message "debian systemd[1]: session-69.scope: Succeeded. it seems that it killed my screen session because it failed at the same time" |
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| 13:56.34 | GenTooMan | I have a single package that fails to complete it's install, it gives a file not found error and dies. It can't be "fixed" through apt-get install -f (returns the same error obviously) so what do I look for in the package to see what is going wrong? |
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| 13:58.16 | lope | ratrace, we were discussing full disk encryption for servers recently. |
| 13:58.49 | lope | ratrace, I tested LUKS speed on my server, and you were right, AES-NI could keep up with my SSD. |
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| 13:58.59 | lope | (SATA SSD) |
| 13:59.50 | lope | What about the fact that some SSDs offer hardware AES encryption, does that ever get used by Linux in a similar way to software FDE? |
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| 14:30.26 | ratrace | lope: AESNI bandwidth is in giga BYTES per second these days |
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| 14:30.51 | ratrace | so definitely NOT a bottleneck for platters, SSDs and even some NVMEs |
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| 14:41.27 | alkisg | GenTooMan: pastebin the whole output? |
| 14:42.47 | greycat | Is there a preferred way for sysadmins (me) to update the /etc/bind/db.root file? I did it by hand, and I'm sure that's not what I was *supposed* to do, but it's not like I could find any instructions anywhere. Other than "anonymous FTP", which is like, so incredibly not funny. There's no way FTP is going to work from inside this corporate firewall. |
| 14:44.35 | karlpinc | greycat: You want to automate this? |
| 14:44.51 | greycat | No, just want to know what I'm supposed to do. |
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| 14:45.09 | greycat | If "vi /etc/bind/db.root" is the correct answer, then yay me, because that's what I did. |
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| 14:46.36 | karlpinc | greycat: I tend to A) not do anything, B) copy the lastest master file (maybe from arin?) Copying means "do something". Usually download, which may mean ftp. But I suppose you could bring it on on a usb stick or whatever. |
| 14:47.12 | greycat | So, "edit by hand" *is* the correct procedure? OK, that's fine then. |
| 14:47.14 | Bushmills | greycat: you could curl or wget it instead |
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| 14:47.52 | karlpinc | greycat: Nothing wrong with editing, although I tend to make more mistakes editing than when I'm just copying. |
| 14:48.02 | greycat | Bushmills: wget it from ...? |
| 14:48.09 | Bushmills | ftp://ftp.rs.internic.net/domain/db.cache |
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| 14:48.14 | greycat | Again, ftp. |
| 14:48.25 | greycat | That does not work for me. I cannot connect to an ftp site. |
| 14:49.12 | karlpinc | greycat: https://www.iana.org/domains/root/files |
| 14:49.24 | karlpinc | greycat: That page has http and ftp links on it. |
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| 14:50.56 | greycat | OK, I'll paste that one in place then. It has the updated header metadata. Too bad it doesn't have actual correct descriptions of where it came from. |
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| 14:59.25 | GenTooMan | alkisg I can do that. apt-get install -f (result http://paste.debian.net/1094803/ ) dpkg --configure -a (result http://paste.debian.net/1094806/ ) It appears it isn't installing this subpackage (jessie libpng12-0_1.2.50-2+deb8u3_amd64.deb ) I can't find what it is automatically trying to do (because it's obfuscated) however I am certain it has to do with libpng16 and it's configuration in buster. |
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| 15:00.29 | greycat | Man, lots of people trying to get libpng12-0 on buster lately. |
| 15:01.03 | greycat | Mine's just there, left over from before the buster upgrade, so I never had to worry about it. |
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| 15:04.54 | lope | ratrace, cool. What about using SSD's HW AES? |
| 15:05.10 | GenTooMan | greycat certain "special" vendor packages require it... IE printer drivers for a few vendors do. |
| 15:05.42 | greycat | In my case, I use it so I can continue running xv (image viewer program). |
| 15:06.09 | GenTooMan | greycat I haven't used xv ... in holy crap I'm old... LOL. |
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| 15:09.19 | greycat | The jessie libpng12-0 package coexists peacefully with the buster libpng16-16 for me, no problems. I think someone the other day was trying to install the jessie package on buster and had issues doing so, but we never pinned down what the real problem was. |
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| 15:12.02 | GenTooMan | greycat I suspect it has to do with debian automation. I could not find a way to force the tools to output what they were doing either and why they were doing it. How do you force them to output required debug information? I suspect a NEW package for libpng12 might work. I think automation in debian is causing the conflict. |
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| 15:13.03 | greycat | I don't know what you're saying. What is "automation" in this context? |
| 15:14.55 | karlpinc | Is there anything in buster that needs libpng12 or is this just for running "other programs"? |
| 15:15.04 | jelly | ,v libpng12-0 |
| 15:15.05 | judd | Package: libpng12-0 on amd64 -- jessie-security: 1.2.50-2+deb8u2; jessie: 1.2.50-2+deb8u3 |
| 15:15.29 | jelly | karlpinc, there can't be anything that needs it |
| 15:15.30 | greycat | It's for third-party or older programs, not anything that's in buster. |
| 15:15.32 | karlpinc | greycat: I think I switched from xv to feh. |
| 15:17.04 | jelly | wonders how insane it would be to try rebuilding xv for buster |
| 15:17.19 | Bushmills | greycat: https://www.internic.net/domain/db.cache |
| 15:18.25 | GenTooMan | actually 3rd party programs seem to demand it, epson printer drivers do for example. |
| 15:18.35 | greycat | Bushmills: yes, I got it from https://www.internic.net/domain/named.root instead, but it seems similar. Note how the header at the top talks about "anonymous FTP" and doesn't even give a URL, because it's older than the concept of URLs. |
| 15:19.21 | Bushmills | "July 30, 2019" |
| 15:19.33 | greycat | Yes, but the text ABOVE that was clearly written in like 1985 or something. |
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| 15:20.26 | Bushmills | I thought the problem was with you not able to use ftp. you need a db.cache with a more recent header? |
| 15:20.59 | greycat | I am already past that. I got my copy from https://www.internic.net/domain/named.root |
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| 15:21.59 | Bushmills | appear to carry identical header |
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| 15:30.36 | Akuw_ | hi |
| 15:31.06 | Akuw_ | what i need to use spawn and expect ? |
| 15:31.26 | greycat | ,info expect |
| 15:31.27 | jelly | judd, file bin/expect |
| 15:31.27 | judd | Package expect (interpreters, optional) in buster/amd64: Automates interactive applications. Version: 5.45.4-2; Size: 161.8k; Installed: 312k; Homepage: https://core.tcl.tk/expect/ |
| 15:31.33 | judd | Search for bin/expect in buster/amd64: expect: usr/bin/expect |
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| 15:32.51 | jelly | Akuw_, assuming you're talking about the command "expect" and its own language that features "spawn" as a command of its own |
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| 15:33.41 | Akuw_ | jelly: yes |
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| 15:33.59 | Akuw_ | i am doing an script to connect to vpn without type password |
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| 15:34.34 | greycat | the 'expect' package is what you are asking for |
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| 15:34.54 | Akuw_ | i guess |
| 15:35.03 | Akuw_ | so apt-get install expect? |
| 15:35.17 | greycat | although I'm feeling like this is equivalent to telling little 5-year-old Susie where the matches are, when she asks for matches |
| 15:35.37 | Akuw_ | you again |
| 15:35.39 | Akuw_ | hehehe |
| 15:36.43 | Bushmills | Akuw_: isn't that what keys are used for? |
| 15:39.06 | alkisg | GenTooMan: I'd remove libpng12-0 and lsb-desktop, and if the epson printer is searching to source the lsb-functions file, I'd just copy that manually |
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| 15:40.26 | Akuw_ | lÃnea 2: spawn: command not found |
| 15:40.46 | Akuw_ | i installed expect |
| 15:41.29 | greycat | expect is a Tcl package. You can either think of it as a whole separate LANGUAGE, like jelly said, or think of it as Tcl with some new commands added by the expect package, which is what it really is, mostly, sort of. IT IS NOT A SHELL SCRIPT. YOU DO NOT TRY TO EXECUTE 'spawn' AS A SHELL COMMAND FROM A #!/bin/sh or #!/bin/bash SCRIPT. |
| 15:42.14 | greycat | If you are writing in expect, your shebang will be something like #!/usr/bin/expect or #!/usr/bin/tclsh |
| 15:42.19 | Akuw_ | trying to run this https://paste.debian.net/1094814/ |
| 15:42.24 | greycat | It is a WHOLE different language. You must learn it. |
| 15:42.26 | GenTooMan | alkisg it uses a deb package to install and won't install without the package being installed apparently. Dependency nightmares 101! gotta love them. I was seeing what horror Espon created and I was not disappointed. :D |
| 15:43.11 | Akuw_ | greycat: what i have to search for to get a documentation? |
| 15:43.35 | alkisg | GenTooMan: in a similar case, I had to create a tiny package of my own, to satisfy dependencies; e.g. an empty libpng12-0; and hope epson doesn't actually need that deep-dependency |
| 15:43.48 | greycat | have you tried "expect"? |
| 15:44.19 | jelly | Akuw_, to run that, you need to either chmod +x the script and execute it, or call it like "expect scriptname". How precisely did you tty to run it? |
| 15:44.36 | jelly | try* |
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| 15:45.47 | Akuw_ | jelly: bash myconnect.sh |
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| 15:46.01 | greycat | It's not a bash script. It's an expect script. |
| 15:46.04 | Akuw_ | but i change to chmod +x myconnect.sh |
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| 15:46.14 | greycat | Don't name it *.sh because it's not an sh script either. |
| 15:46.18 | Akuw_ | ok, well, learning every day |
| 15:46.35 | Akuw_ | how can i name it? |
| 15:46.42 | winny | whatever you like |
| 15:46.43 | greycat | "myconnect" would be fine |
| 15:46.57 | winny | if you want to be very explicit you could call it myconnect.expect |
| 15:47.00 | Akuw_ | ok |
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| 15:47.09 | Akuw_ | ohh ok, is better |
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| 15:47.39 | greycat | Putting language-specific extensions on your installed commands is a bad practice that you should stop as soon as possible. It's OK to keep extensions on the files in your source directory as hints for your editor's syntax highlighting or something, but don't install them that way. |
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| 15:47.49 | jelly | if you really love extensions you could name it foo.exp ... :-P |
| 15:48.50 | jelly | I've seen that used exactly once in a script by IBM tech support |
| 15:48.54 | jelly | -rwxr-xr-x 1 jelly jelly 25181 Mar 4 2016 expect-fix-vpd.exp |
| 15:49.16 | greycat | a 25k expect script... that's terrifying |
| 15:49.27 | jelly | I did say IBM |
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| 15:52.26 | jelly | unrelatedly, found another package that exists only in ubuntu. https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/openfortivpn |
| 15:52.30 | Akuw_ | greycat: today finally i solve samba problem |
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| 15:59.22 | GenTooMan | I need to back out this install completely. the epson printer drivers specifically require lsb (linux standard base) which is not part of buster but jessie, it seems if a package fails to install hierarchically package management doesn't have a way to back out or undo it. It's all manual. In my case it doesn't appear resolvable. |
| 16:00.12 | jelly | ,v openfortivpn |
| 16:00.13 | judd | Package: openfortivpn on amd64 -- buster: 1.8.1-1; bullseye: 1.10.0-1; sid: 1.10.0-1 |
| 16:00.30 | jelly | Akuw_, so... silly quiestion, did you try that ^ |
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| 16:02.51 | alkisg | GenTooMan: the problem is that libpng from jessie puts things in /lib and symlinks in /usr/lib which is itself a symlink now, and they overlap etc |
| 16:03.15 | alkisg | GenTooMan: the best bet would be to unzip the .deb, remove the invalid symlinks, re-zip (deb) it, then install it |
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| 16:03.51 | alkisg | Or get the source and rebuild it without those symlinks... |
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| 16:04.49 | GenTooMan | alkisg so copy the package then make a replacement and store it back into the cache then run apt-get install -f and let it fix itself? |
| 16:05.14 | alkisg | GenTooMan: yes; no need to apt-get install -f; you can just apt install ./libpng*.deb from any directory |
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| 16:19.42 | Akuw | hi |
| 16:19.51 | Akuw | i have a debian pendrive boot |
| 16:20.03 | Akuw | how can i check what version it has ? |
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| 16:21.10 | Akuw | dists ? |
| 16:21.33 | jimmyb | Hey folks, I've been Googling this issue for a while now and I can't seem to find a resolution. First off, I know this is ridiculous, but the box in question is running Debian 4.0. The issue is that eth0 is not recognized but eth1 is and I cannot figure out why or where to start looking besides /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 16:21.39 | Akuw | when boot from that USB is requesting for CD |
| 16:21.44 | Akuw | why |
| 16:21.44 | jimmyb | When I restart networking I get -- https://paste.linuxbox.ninja/paste/56 |
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| 16:23.24 | greycat | Akuw: you mean when you run "apt"? Or literally when you try to boot? |
| 16:23.35 | jmcnaught | Probably better that a Debian 4 system is offline anyways |
| 16:23.38 | Akuw | when i boot from USB |
| 16:23.49 | Akuw | this is stretch |
| 16:24.40 | Akuw | when i instal from usb pendrive never request CD |
| 16:24.57 | jimmyb | jmcnaught: I know, and agree, unfortunately not possible at the moment. |
| 16:25.02 | Akuw | should be installer folder empty? |
| 16:25.09 | jimmyb | Oddly enough, eth1 works fine. |
| 16:25.18 | Akuw | and firmware folder empty |
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| 16:26.11 | qman__ | jimmyb: given that it's etch, probably either your ancient hardware failed, or your new hardware isn't supported on your ancient kernel, check dmesg and lspci |
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| 16:27.03 | Akuw | greycat: why request for CD when boot from USB ? |
| 16:27.54 | jimmyb | qman__: I'm looking through that now. It would newer hardware with ancient kernel lol. So in syslog it says eth1 is using e1000 which seems normal. Wonder why that same module wouldn't work on eth0. |
| 16:28.07 | jimmyb | would be newer* |
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| 16:29.02 | jimmyb | https://paste.linuxbox.ninja/paste/57 <- eth1 coming up. |
| 16:29.49 | jimmyb | I wonder though why it shows like this in lspci |
| 16:30.05 | jimmyb | 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Unknown device 10bd (rev 02) |
| 16:30.06 | jimmyb | 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82573V Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper) (rev 03) |
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| 16:30.24 | jimmyb | That does seem a little suspicious, because as far as I recall, there's only the onboard NICs |
| 16:31.09 | jhutchins_wk | Akuw: The most common reason for that problem is that you used unetbootin to create the image. Other possibilities are that the image you downloaded is corrupt or that you downloade the wrong image. |
| 16:31.45 | qman__ | They're apparently not the same chip |
| 16:31.52 | Akuw | jhutchins_wk: Architectures: amd64 |
| 16:32.14 | Akuw | Version: 9.4 |
| 16:33.42 | jimmyb | Is there any command I can use to get more information on the ethernet controller? |
| 16:33.59 | Akuw | where can i find old versions of debian? |
| 16:34.03 | Akuw | url ? |
| 16:34.20 | jimmyb | My server lol |
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| 16:35.48 | SpeedyG | Akuw: https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ < there, but why'd you want an old version? |
| 16:36.17 | qman__ | Check the lspci manual, it has options to not translate to the nice names and you can get the hardware ids, they're assuredly different |
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| 16:36.44 | qman__ | The other one may be a different driver or even e1000 but just added in a newer version |
| 16:38.20 | Akuw | how can i know from where my usb image was downloaded? |
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| 16:39.45 | greycat | jimmyb: "lspci -nn" is a good starting point. |
| 16:41.04 | jimmyb | Will try that, thanks greycat. |
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| 16:42.25 | GenTooMan | alkisg apt install <package> would work instead I had to do dpkg -i <new package path> then run apt-get install -f |
| 16:43.05 | GenTooMan | alkisg or I mean apt install <package path> anyhow you get the idea. The package installation was broken and apt would just stop immediately. |
| 16:44.10 | greycat | !apt install |
| 16:44.10 | dpkg | You can specify a pathname to a manually downloaded .deb file in apt install, but it must begin with / or ./ or ../ or else apt thinks it's a package name. E.g. "apt install ./foo-1.2.deb". This supersedes <gdebi>. |
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| 16:44.31 | brutser | a few stupid question maybe, but not very experienced: i want to do an encryption of my debian install and i decided to have /boot and grub on a usb flash drive. now 1. i tested this with volume groups, but during boot it says it cannot find the volume groups, this is normal because they are encrypted? it ask for password and boot normal after. 2. |
| 16:44.32 | brutser | if i encrypt root, is it worth to also encrypt /boot , even if it 's on separate usb? i know i can only use luks1. 3. should i create swap and encrypt it, i ddid that for testing, but i had to enter password 2x for root and swap, that is not what i want. (laptop has 16GB ram) |
| 16:44.36 | greycat | pre-stretch(?), "dpkg -i" followed by "apt-get -f install" was probably the canonical way |
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| 16:46.20 | jimmyb | So, that other unknown ethernet device was a management port |
| 16:46.46 | jimmyb | I ran update-pciids and it updated to 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566DM-2 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 16:46.49 | jimmyb | So that makes sense. |
| 16:47.01 | jimmyb | I think I need the e1000e driver. |
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| 17:28.16 | brutser | a few stupid question maybe, but not very experienced: i want to do an encryption of my debian install and i decided to have /boot and grub on a usb flash drive. now 1. i tested this with volume groups, but during boot it says it cannot find the volume groups, this is normal because they are encrypted? it ask for password and boot normal after. 2. |
| 17:28.17 | brutser | if i encrypt root, is it worth to also encrypt /boot , even if it 's on separate usb? i know i can only use luks1. 3. should i create swap and encrypt it, i ddid that for testing, but i had to enter password 2x for root and swap, that is not what i want. (laptop has 16GB ram) |
| 17:28.40 | greycat | !repeating |
| 17:28.41 | dpkg | We read your question the first time, and if we haven't replied, there's a good chance we either don't know, don't have time to answer, or someone doesn't like you. Repeating is annoying. <https://mikeash.com/getting_answers.html#no-repeats> |
| 17:29.36 | brutser | Sorry, sometimes messages get lost in queue and sometimes new people join |
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| 17:40.25 | jhutchins_wk | brutser: What scenario are you actually trying to defend against? What could someone gain by being able to access the files in /boot if they already had physical access to the system? |
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| 17:41.50 | brutser | jhutchins_wk: 1. if person has access to system, but not have usb drive, they cannot boot 2. if person can access encrypted root they cannot see if it's OS or data. - i think it's 2 advantages |
| 17:41.55 | brutser | but maybe i'm wrong |
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| 17:43.21 | jhutchins_wk | brutser: All they need is their own live image on a USB drive. |
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| 17:44.35 | jhutchins_wk | brutser: Let's say they can see that /boot contains kernel images and bootloader binaries. What do they gain? |
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| 17:46.12 | brutser | jhutchins_wk: not much i guess, other than that they could see after booting that there is an encrypted OS at some partition and that could be a reason for them to demand the key for that, i know, if they put gun to you, you probably will give it anyway, but they must have first some kind of idea |
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| 17:47.15 | jhutchins_wk | brutser: If the /boot partition is encrypted, they already know that there is a key. |
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| 17:47.53 | brutser | jhutchins_wk: yes unless it's on another removable device that I try to not keep close to the system, unless i am using it |
| 17:48.21 | brutser | but again, maybe it's just not worth it, i just discuss it with you |
| 17:48.46 | jhutchins_wk | They still know it exists. Who are the hostile parties? Why are they interested in you? What can they learn from OS binaries? |
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| 17:49.55 | jhutchins_wk | The only things you really need to protect are user data. Browser history, contacts, accounts, material you've created, material that you perhaps should not posess. |
| 17:50.07 | jhutchins_wk | That's all user data, not system data. |
| 17:50.36 | brutser | I prefer encrypt the whole system as i am not experienced enough to know what is left in cache or temporary files |
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| 17:51.27 | brutser | and do they really know it exist, the laptop won't boot, they can find a partition, they will know pretty easy that it's encrypted, but then what? |
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| 17:51.42 | jhutchins_wk | So do you commonly travel through hostile areas where people might have an interest in your personal information? |
| 17:51.50 | brutser | yes |
| 17:52.20 | brutser | i know why i am protecting the data and i know i can be a target |
| 17:53.14 | jhutchins_wk | Well, the U.S. government finds it sufficient to encrypt the user data and doesn't worry about the OS or cache/swap files. |
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| 17:53.47 | brutser | Ok, I did not know that, I come from the Netherlands |
| 17:54.03 | brutser | I was actually advised by someone to have the boot partition on a removable device |
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| 17:55.05 | jhutchins_wk | That really doesn't give you any advantage. I can yank the hard drive out of the device and use my own system to examine it. |
| 17:55.18 | greycat | I would be very careful about any legal advice given by random people in IRC. |
| 17:55.42 | paolobenve | Hi guys! I'm upgrading to buster a server with two disk, raid1. in 'apt upgrade' I got a message "Writing GRUB to Boot Device Failed" "/dev/md1 /dev/md2". What does it mean? should I worry? in the meantime the 'apt upgrade' is keeping on. |
| 17:55.43 | jhutchins_wk | There is a LOT of badly reasoned paranoia out there that really doesn't do anyone any good. |
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| 17:55.56 | brutser | greycat: obviously i still have my own brain to make a decision, but i understand why you are saying this |
| 17:56.45 | brutser | jhutchins_wk: that is fair to say, i might have a little bit too much of the paranoia, but i try to prevent from going mad obviously |
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| 17:57.18 | brutser | just i like to have some security in place where i can tell myself that at least i did whatever i could with my limited skills |
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| 17:57.46 | jhutchins_wk | If you really have the need, be strategic about it. Figure out what you are defending against, and if it's something that's real. Don't make it harder to use your own system just because it gives you the illusion of security. |
| 17:58.05 | jhutchins_wk | Often security for security's sake makes your system more vulnerable to real threats. |
| 17:58.17 | paolobenve | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:00.10 | uio | Hi, I don't use my machine for anything too advanced. Is the general rule that it is best to stay with Stretch then? |
| 18:01.02 | uio | as opposed to going to Buster? |
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| 18:01.07 | brutser | jhutchins_wk: the average burglar would decide easily to look into your wallet, in a safe, or other places - the computer is another place where they start to look, if the computer starts and ask for a password, my thought was that it would only trigger interest, so i can either not encrypt anything, but that is not an option for me, but if i want |
| 18:01.08 | brutser | to encrypt the operating system (root), then without the usb flash drive, a boot of the computer just won't work (or i can i put a windows OS as a diversion for example |
| 18:01.12 | jhutchins_wk | uio: Buster's been out long enough for significant problems to be revealed and dealt with, there's no harm in upgrading and some advantages like better security. |
| 18:01.55 | jhutchins_wk | brutser: The average burglar would just take the computer. |
| 18:02.18 | brutser | yes but the smarter one knows that it will need passwords/keys etc |
| 18:02.25 | brutser | if it's targeted i mean |
| 18:03.13 | brutser | jhutchins_wk: again, this is not to disagree with you, i am just taking opposite side to find out more |
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| 18:03.50 | uio | jhutchins_wk, I'll look into it then if/when I have time. But good to know that there shouldn't be any serious issues. |
| 18:04.06 | asarch | I have done the mininal installation (web server, printer server, etc) and now the Internet connection doesn't up automatically on every boot. How can I enable it? |
| 18:04.54 | asarch | I already set auto enp6s8 iface enp6s8 inet dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:05.02 | asarch | But it still doesn't work |
| 18:06.07 | greycat | asarch: is that the correct interface name? What does "ip addr" say? What do your log files say? Most likely "journalctl" will have something relevant, if you can find it. |
| 18:06.52 | paolobenve | @asarch did you read https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ppc64el/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#migrate-interface-names? |
| 18:07.06 | asarch | takes notes.. |
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| 18:09.35 | asarch | This is a fresh newly installation |
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| 18:13.28 | jmcnaught | ashka: does 'journalctl -u networking.service' show anything? |
| 18:14.08 | greycat | asarch dropped off |
| 18:14.22 | jmcnaught | oops |
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| 18:15.05 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo |
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| 18:16.04 | Strogg | Is iptables still used for firewalling on bridge interfaces? I've got a system with 2 ethernet interfaces, which I have setup as br0, but packets seem to be bypassing my FORWARD rules. what should I be using instead? |
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| 18:17.16 | jhutchins_wk | !iptables |
| 18:17.17 | dpkg | [iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables or ask me about <iptables-restore>. http://netfilter.org/ #netfilter on irc.freenode.net. See also <ferm>, <lartc>, <masq>, <ulogd>. |
| 18:17.34 | Strogg | follows some links |
| 18:17.37 | Strogg | jhutchins_wk: thanks! |
| 18:18.14 | rant | Strogg: afaik the default backend changed in Buster but the iptables should still work |
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| 18:25.09 | rant | I just use minidlna and samba/nfs on my server |
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| 18:26.00 | rant | and kodi or vlc for clients |
| 18:26.07 | Waxhead | When you sometimes run large programs that are a bit too happy you get a lot of swapping, and disk trashing - sometimes it is quite useful to do ctrl+alt+Fx and kill something. Sometimes this is rather slow , is it possible to configure the system so that tty6 ends up in a cgroup with high pri - therefore making an "always" responsive console to do some maintenance in. |
| 18:27.11 | rant | Waxhead: dont offhand know how to do that but sysrq is your friend when SHTF |
| 18:28.11 | Waxhead | rant: sure , but I was looking for something a bit more civilized :) |
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| 18:37.59 | rant | more civilized would be managing this before it gets out of hand :P |
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| 18:47.55 | Akuw | hi |
| 18:48.17 | Akuw | how can i copy a file from my host to guess i am using kvm |
| 18:50.11 | rant | ,i virt-manager |
| 18:50.12 | judd | Package virt-manager (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: desktop application for managing virtual machines. Version: 1:2.0.0-3; Size: 884.9k; Installed: 6770k; Homepage: http://virt-manager.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/virt-manager |
| 18:50.47 | rant | http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/9p_virtio |
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| 18:53.51 | jhutchins_wk | Akuw: Usually you set up a shared folder that you can copy files to and acess from both host and guest. |
| 18:54.05 | jhutchins_wk | Akuw: At lest that's what you do with virtualbox. |
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| 18:54.22 | Akuw | ok |
| 18:55.43 | Strogg | hrmm ok, I'm not sure what changed, but bridged packets don't seem to go into the FORWARD chain anymore |
| 18:56.18 | ratrace | lope: i wouldn't trust disks' own encryption; those have traditionally been rather... insecure. |
| 18:57.15 | Waxhead | Akuw: If you can ssh to the vm try sftp, put the files on a webserver that you can access or simply set up NFS (beware of security risks if it's open to the public) |
| 18:58.21 | Akuw | yeah |
| 18:58.54 | Waxhead | Akuw: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/9p_virtio |
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| 19:02.56 | saptech | hello all |
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| 19:03.30 | saptech | recently installed Buster and have a Brother All-in-One printer |
| 19:03.56 | rant | thanks for sharing. |
| 19:03.57 | Akuw | why i can ping to 8.8.8.8 but cant ping to google.com |
| 19:04.18 | saptech | the printer works using Brother's .deb rpms but for some reason, when I print something, it takes about 5 minutes before it print out. Any idea why this may happen? |
| 19:04.37 | greycat | because your /etc/resolv.conf is not correct, or your /etc/nsswitch.conf is not correct, most likely |
| 19:05.22 | rant | saptech: what is a .deb rpm? how is the printer connected? what printer is it? |
| 19:06.08 | saptech | rant, the driver files. usb connection, it's a MFC-5440cn model |
| 19:06.29 | greycat | maybe you mean "the .deb packages" |
| 19:06.49 | saptech | sorry, I meant .deb drivers, but they offer rpm also |
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| 19:07.08 | saptech | not sure were that came from :) |
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| 19:09.03 | jure_ | hey, I am new to IRC so I am not sure I am doing this right, but I have a question regarding Linux. I can't adjust backlight on my laptop with xbacklight, however with xrandr I can do it normally. How do I fix it, so that I could assign keybinds in my WM? |
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| 19:09.40 | saptech | last time I ran debian, it was jessie and it didn't have the long delay to output from the printer |
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| 19:10.27 | lope | ratrace, what's your opinion on using discard with LUKS? |
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| 19:14.41 | rant | saptech: idk, I would either use it on a supported OS or get rid of it and get a supported printer. Its not supported by cups or debian, and I have no idea why it may be working poorly |
| 19:16.13 | saptech | it works, it just output slowly, the scanner works also |
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| 19:17.10 | saptech | I'll just research it and see if I can find a solution |
| 19:17.12 | rant | saptech: yes well then you'd have to get support from brother.. they took a poorly made redhat package and converted it to a worse debian package, rather than just work with cups to provide proper drivers.. |
| 19:17.36 | saptech | maybe it's buster the issue |
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| 19:17.43 | rant | they mention Debian 5 on the website, so there is no doubt |
| 19:17.46 | saptech | it worked fine before |
| 19:17.53 | greycat | debian *5* |
| 19:18.00 | greycat | !lenny |
| 19:18.00 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 19:18.02 | whatwhyyy | Hi! I'm on Jessie with Xfce... previously, mounted external devices showed up on the desktop and now they don't... for no particular reason |
| 19:18.05 | saptech | is that jessie numer |
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| 19:18.09 | rant | the issue is they didnt ever make a package for debian, they made one for OpenSuse and converted it using alien |
| 19:18.13 | greycat | jessie is Debian 8. |
| 19:18.21 | rant | with no thoughts as to whether or not it'd work on Debian |
| 19:18.31 | jhutchins_wk | It's very difficult to get the Brother 32b wrapper working on current Debian. |
| 19:18.32 | whatwhyyy | okay wait not Jessie uh, 9 I think, Stretch? |
| 19:18.33 | saptech | ok, thanks |
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| 19:19.05 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: I'd be surprised if it was easy to get it working on *any* Debian |
| 19:19.08 | rant | my recommendations stand, get rid of the printer, buy one supported.. or use an old supported system as a print server |
| 19:19.14 | whatwhyyy | so these external devices aren't showing up anymore, even when I go to my /media/MYUSERNAME/ |
| 19:19.21 | jhutchins_wk | It works OK on a machine that's lived through upgrades, but I can't get it to connect from a new machine. I think part of the problem is that it wants to default to ipv6, and I don't think cups likes 6. |
| 19:19.50 | whatwhyyy | On the desktop settings one of the icons set to appear by default are external devices |
| 19:20.04 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: I don't recall it being difficult on the original install. |
| 19:20.28 | jhutchins_wk | $70 laser printers are SOO tempting. Cheaper than buying a new cartridge. |
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| 19:20.41 | whatwhyyy | I can't even find them when I'm in a music player trying to select a device, but when I'm in Open File... or Save File... boxes they sometimes appear there |
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| 19:22.08 | whatwhyyy | should I install gnome-tweak? |
| 19:22.19 | rant | whatwhyyy: nobody is going to follow your issue if you keep pressing enter and talking about different things. Sounds to me like the devices are not mounted |
| 19:22.34 | rant | and what you see them "showing up" in various dialogs is just the devices themselves, unmounted |
| 19:22.44 | saptech | rant, thanks. i'll keep your recommendations in mind |
| 19:23.15 | rant | saptech: fwiw I have 3 different HP printers here that all work.. HP ships working linux drivers that are included in debian |
| 19:23.23 | rant | HP all-in-one that is |
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| 19:24.32 | rant | sounds to me from what I read on their website that brother's linux support was half baked to begin with and is now ancient and deprecated |
| 19:26.00 | saptech | well, this one is maybe 10 or so yrs old :) |
| 19:26.02 | jhutchins_wk | I print so seldom that inkjet printers tend to dry out and be useless before I go through a ream of paper. |
| 19:26.18 | rant | jhutchins_wk: yeah, I have that problem as well |
| 19:26.21 | saptech | it serves my purpose |
| 19:26.30 | whatwhyyy | Sorry it's not all one line, rant. Right, just trying to mount these things, it seems weird that plugging em in isn't enough to mount them; what do you recommend? |
| 19:26.43 | jhutchins_wk | saptech: I have a 2040 that's probably that old. |
| 19:27.01 | saptech | 2040, back to the future huh |
| 19:27.05 | rant | saptech: you could probably get some kinda old hw or cheap pi or something and run a supported system on it and use it as a print server |
| 19:27.14 | jhutchins_wk | whatwhyyy: Are they storage devices? What file manager on what DE? |
| 19:27.37 | rant | whatwhyyy: they mentioned jessie and xfce |
| 19:27.39 | saptech | ok |
| 19:27.48 | rant | erm.. |
| 19:28.11 | jhutchins_wk | I'm not sure jessie's thunar did fuse mounts. |
| 19:28.13 | whatwhyyy | One's a USB Stick, one's a portable sound recorder, I believe it is Thunar on Xfce |
| 19:28.17 | saptech | jhutchins_wk, is that the year ot model? |
| 19:28.24 | saptech | or* |
| 19:28.26 | jhutchins_wk | saptech: Model. |
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| 19:29.04 | rant | whatwhyyy: you may want to consider upgrading if you want support.. you are two releases behind |
| 19:29.07 | jhutchins_wk | https://www.brother-usa.com/products/hl2040 |
| 19:29.33 | jhutchins_wk | I really should try hooking it up to my router, it has a port for that. |
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| 19:29.36 | saptech | well, it runs great using rpm distros and have ran great using deb distros |
| 19:29.42 | saptech | it's no big deal |
| 19:29.46 | whatwhyyy | Okay, will do, I just tend to prefer using LTS versions which I may have misremembered as being already using |
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| 19:30.04 | rant | !jessie lts |
| 19:30.06 | rant | !jessie-lts |
| 19:30.13 | rant | shrugs |
| 19:30.37 | saptech | the wife uses the fax portion more so then anything else |
| 19:30.47 | rant | its on lts for about another 11mo I guess |
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| 19:32.07 | whatwhyyy | what should I run in my terminal? the usual "sudo apt full-upgrade" |
| 19:32.24 | rant | whatwhyyy: you should not run anything, you should go read the stretch release notes chapter 4 |
| 19:32.52 | rant | whatwhyyy: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 19:33.34 | rant | you need to plan for an upgrade, remove all 3rd party packages and backports, change the sources, update the cache, etc.. |
| 19:34.27 | whatwhyyy | I misremembered, I am on Stretch not Jessie. |
| 19:35.04 | whatwhyyy | Sorry for being so incompetent |
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| 19:39.29 | rant | whatwhyyy: (dpkg -l gvfs thunar udev;lsusb;lsblk)|nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 19:43.03 | whatwhyyy | shall I give u the url it gave me? |
| 19:43.08 | rant | yes |
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| 19:43.30 | whatwhyyy | http://termbin.com/8dkp (it also told me lsub: command not found) |
| 19:43.41 | rant | you typed it wrong |
| 19:43.45 | CaptainDusty | whatwhyyy: `lsusb` lol |
| 19:43.48 | CaptainDusty | close |
| 19:44.04 | rant | but as I expected, your devices are not mounted |
| 19:44.19 | rant | you are seeing the udev devices not the mounted devices in whatever dialogs you are seeing them in |
| 19:44.38 | whatwhyyy | okay, and why aren't they mounted? they're plugged in |
| 19:44.49 | rant | and you do seem to be using an updated stretch system |
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| 19:45.04 | rant | so you're only one release behind |
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| 19:45.41 | rant | well thats what the lsusb would have covered.. which devices were plugged in ;D |
| 19:45.50 | rant | I can see them in lsblk and they are not mounted |
| 19:46.18 | rant | looks to be a 32 and 4 GB media plugged in each with one partition |
| 19:46.42 | whatwhyyy | right, yeah |
| 19:46.57 | ratrace | lope: depends on the threat model :: personally i don't care |
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| 19:50.50 | lope | ratrace, yeah, makes sense |
| 19:51.12 | lope | ratrace, what do you think about not encrypting containers that don't contain data |
| 19:51.31 | lope | For example a container that's just mongodb, and the actual data is bind mounted into the container |
| 19:51.56 | lope | So there's no data of any value in the actual 2G container disk volume |
| 19:52.11 | ratrace | i think that's fiddling around ; just fde and don't care what's inside |
| 19:52.45 | ratrace | i also encrypt everything on the off chance that some program stored something sensitive somewhere where i wasn't expecting it |
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| 19:53.49 | rant | whatwhyyy: pgrep -a udisk | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 19:54.36 | whatwhyyy | https://termbin.com/4stxThere y'are |
| 19:54.40 | whatwhyyy | oops |
| 19:54.42 | whatwhyyy | https://termbin.com/4stx |
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| 19:55.13 | lope | ratrace, well, in this case I'm testing a setup where there's LUKS for the root OS, and then there's another partition with ZFS, and then an encrypted dataset with data datasets inside that |
| 19:55.29 | lope | ratrace, so when I make a zvol for a container, it's entirely optional whether I encrypt it or not. |
| 19:55.34 | rant | whatwhyyy: well, the devices are there, the automounters are there.. my guess would be they are either unable to or being told not to mount the devices |
| 19:55.57 | whatwhyyy | would restarting then replugging em do any good? |
| 19:56.13 | ratrace | lope: so not luks for zfs, but zfs native encryption? |
| 19:56.19 | lope | yes |
| 19:56.22 | rant | whatwhyyy: idk, maybe.. sure wouldnt indicate where the problem lies.. and I doubt it |
| 19:56.39 | rant | whatwhyyy: I'd first try clicking on the devices in the filemanager and see if it can mount them |
| 19:56.49 | lope | this is on a system where I've got md mirror with luks ontop of that and xfs for the root host OS |
| 19:56.50 | rant | that'd rule out the "unable to" |
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| 19:57.06 | lope | ratrace, I've not ventured into ZFS root |
| 19:57.06 | ratrace | lope: i'm not too comfortable with zfs own encryption, there were some serious bugs in pre-0.8.x |
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| 19:57.28 | lope | ratrace, interesting. The zfs zealots seem to think it's fine :) |
| 19:57.47 | lope | ratrace, interesting that you don't care about discard, but worried about ZFS encryption? |
| 19:58.12 | ratrace | lope: discard is a security issue, native zfs encryption was data-eating issue :) |
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| 19:58.18 | rant | hmm seems like thunar doesn't have a "computer" thing like caja/nautilus does |
| 19:58.21 | lope | ratrace, oh, I see |
| 19:58.37 | lope | ratrace, I'm currently on a 5.x kernel where zfs encryption is not using AES-NI |
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| 19:58.50 | lope | So it's running at 55MiB/s vs LUKS which maxes out my SSD. |
| 19:58.55 | ratrace | lope: on debian? |
| 19:58.59 | lope | PVE |
| 19:59.32 | lope | proxmox kernel on buster |
| 19:59.41 | ratrace | lope: in sid, zfs is 0.8.x and it contains a patch that brought back simd to zfs |
| 20:00.00 | ratrace | so the performance should be "back to normal" |
| 20:00.06 | whatwhyyy | I can';t click on em in the filemanager |
| 20:00.16 | lope | ratrace, yeah, it's a matter of time until it works. It doesn't concern me. I'm just testing stuff out on this system. |
| 20:00.33 | lope | I'm happy knowing AES-NI will work soon. |
| 20:00.37 | rant | whatwhyyy: try unplugging them both, plugging them back in, then do this |
| 20:00.47 | ratrace | lope: meanwhile, i hope that upcoming debian 10.1 will patch zfs in stable for it, because i'm assuming the kernel will rebase to 4.19.38+ which means zfs can't use simd even on 4.19, without the patches |
| 20:00.55 | rant | whatwhyyy: sudo journalctl | tail -n 30 | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 20:01.42 | lope | ratrace, I just did an interesting experiment, I checked what size files there are on my root drive. There were a ton of files at around 64K in /usr but then elsewhere like /etc the files are tiny. |
| 20:03.09 | lope | Trying to figure out a good volblocksize for XFS ZVOL's for containers |
| 20:03.49 | RedSoxFan07 | I made a mistake with permissions. |
| 20:03.55 | lope | ratrace, what do you mean by rebase to 4.19? |
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| 20:04.01 | RedSoxFan07 | I repurposed a relative's old 2013 gaming laptop by installing Debian on the unused second hard drive. I reformatted the old OS drive as Ext3 with Gnome-Disks. |
| 20:04.04 | rant | whatwhyyy: alternatively, run thunar-volman-settings and see what that says |
| 20:04.06 | lope | I thought once we're on 5, 4.x is history? |
| 20:04.09 | ratrace | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 20:04.11 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u7; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9+80+deb9u8; stretch-backports: 4.19+105~bpo9+1; bullseye: 4.19+105; buster: 4.19+105; sid: 4.19+105 |
| 20:04.14 | RedSoxFan07 | Unfortunately, when Gnome-Disks formatted the drive, it did so as a root user and from then on I've had to enter my root password every time I want to access the drive. |
| 20:04.26 | RedSoxFan07 | It's been a while since the last time I used chmod and/or chown, so I instinctively used "chmod +x" to try to change permissions on the drive. It didn't work, so then I read the chmod man page and realized that chmod -r might be more what I was looking for, but that didn't work either. Now I can't access the drive at all. |
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| 20:04.33 | RedSoxFan07 | What should I do? |
| 20:04.52 | ratrace | lope: in debian stable, kernel is rebased to a newer point release, with each debian point release |
| 20:05.17 | lope | isn't buster on kernel 5.x? |
| 20:05.20 | greycat | no |
| 20:05.23 | RedSoxFan07 | Now when I click on the drive in Nautilus, I'm informed that Nautilus "cannot find the requested file". |
| 20:05.25 | ratrace | lope: as of kernel 4.19.38+, even the 4.19 branch will include problems that prevent zfs from using simd instructions, so the latest patch from 5.x is required |
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| 20:05.32 | ratrace | lope: no, 4.19.37 |
| 20:05.39 | lope | oh, I see. |
| 20:05.51 | lope | There are 5.x kernels that also have ZFS SIMD issues. |
| 20:05.52 | whatwhyyy | running thunar-volman-settings gets me this: "Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.." |
| 20:05.55 | ratrace | lope: it's a "LTS" kernel upstream |
| 20:06.18 | ratrace | lope: yes, and zfs recently grew a fix that returned the use of simd |
| 20:06.23 | tarzeau | but 5.2 kernels have been uploaded to sid :) |
| 20:06.33 | ratrace | but that has to be backported -- and i hope it will be for debian stable |
| 20:06.36 | greycat | oh? |
| 20:06.55 | greycat | it's not showing in judd's "kernels" either |
| 20:06.55 | RedSoxFan07 | I just tried chown, but that didn't work either. |
| 20:07.14 | lope | is there any licensing fix for oracle in sight? |
| 20:07.22 | greycat | !fix oracle |
| 20:07.22 | dpkg | takes oracle to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 20:07.22 | lope | what about mongodb on debian? |
| 20:07.46 | rant | whatwhyyy: you'll need to further investigate the logs, or perhaps try running thunar from a terminal and plug the devices in, see if you get more info |
| 20:07.47 | lope | I see running mongodb > 3.4 (which is EoL) on debian buster is not really a thing. |
| 20:08.06 | lope | So in order to run mongodb on buster, I'm basically resorting to running an ubuntu container. |
| 20:08.19 | rant | whatwhyyy: but the issue is probably logged in journalctl whatever it is |
| 20:08.21 | lope | I suppose I could run a debian stretch container though, I just realized. Mongo has a repo for that. |
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| 20:16.30 | whatwhyyy | okay, I can see these devices in /media/MYUSERNAME/ |
| 20:16.35 | whatwhyyy | but not in the desktop |
| 20:17.20 | whatwhyyy | would you recommend making symbolic links to them and putting them on the desktop or something else? |
| 20:17.21 | grobi | hello, debians !:) |
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| 20:19.33 | rant | whatwhyyy: check Settings > Desktop > [Icons] > Default Icons > Removable Media |
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| 20:20.38 | whatwhyyy | Yeah, it's checked... I guess I'll restart the comp |
| 20:20.43 | whatwhyyy | or log out and back in |
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| 20:24.12 | humpled | ew desktop icons |
| 20:24.38 | whatwhyyy | we can't all go GUI-free humpled |
| 20:24.54 | humpled | :) |
| 20:24.59 | greycat | you can have a GUI without desktop icons |
| 20:25.07 | whatwhyyy | fair enough |
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| 20:42.35 | crestfallen | hi does anything think that taking the linux foundation hyperledger course (free) is a good way to get a decent understanding of blockchain? I don't know linux very well at all, just very-basics. |
| 20:42.39 | crestfallen | thanks |
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| 20:42.45 | crestfallen | anyone* |
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| 20:43.33 | crestfallen | Or are there better free courses out there? |
| 20:44.05 | obs2_ | I think you should just study bitcoin |
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| 20:45.22 | whatwhyyy | hey thanks everyone |
| 20:45.28 | whatwhyyy | much obliged |
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| 20:48.45 | crestfallen | obs2_: kindly elaborate. how? I'm older, have trouble with programming, though the good news is I've been studying haskell and getting into more advanced topics, but I'm a notch away from terrible. |
| 20:49.13 | Akuw_ | i have to create an script and save some IPs address, then, is better user IP1=192.168.1.1 or an Array? |
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| 20:50.25 | greycat | bearing in mind this is the same guy who thought you ran an expect script by typing "bash myscript" |
| 20:50.25 | humpled | hmm |
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| 20:50.46 | obs2_ | crestfallen bitcoin is the original blockchain. There are several books and a lot of youtube etc. videos explaining the concepts. I don't see why you would want to learn some watered-down version of the real thing |
| 20:50.51 | humpled | i don't know what an expect script is |
| 20:51.00 | greycat | !expect |
| 20:51.05 | greycat | Huh. Surprising. |
| 20:51.15 | humpled | almost sounds like js jargon :p |
| 20:51.23 | koollman | nobody expects .. no, not this one :) |
| 20:51.31 | humpled | is it like a promise? |
| 20:51.33 | greycat | Expect is 3/4 Tcl extension, and 1/4 language of its own. It's used for automating FTP and telnet sessions in 1993. |
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| 20:51.46 | humpled | oh my |
| 20:51.46 | crestfallen | obs2_: thanks, but what about the programming behind blockchain generally? Like number theory and the like. |
| 20:52.13 | obs2_ | crestfallen what about it? |
| 20:52.25 | greycat | *he* wanted to use it, apparently, to automate the connection to a VPN so he wouldn't have to type his password. |
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| 20:52.56 | crestfallen | as mentioned I study haskell ; not only to invest in bitcoin, but to get gainful employment. |
| 20:53.01 | Akuw_ | greycat i did the expect thing |
| 20:53.14 | Akuw_ | but in last part is giving an error |
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| 20:53.19 | Akuw_ | will fix later |
| 20:53.25 | crestfallen | obs2_: ^ |
| 20:53.50 | crestfallen | i.e. fast track to get a programming job related to blockchain |
| 20:54.49 | obs2_ | crestfallen i think it is a bit off-topic here. Try #bitcoin , the developers are mostly there and probably willing to help you get started |
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| 20:55.55 | crestfallen | thanks kindly obs2_ |
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| 21:00.06 | ZaZaGX | hi |
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| 21:02.10 | asarch | From ip addr: 2: enp6s8: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP group default qlen 1000. If I set "iface enp6s8 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces, the connection doesn't bring up automatically on every boot. What's wrong? |
| 21:02.51 | greycat | Maybe your network doesn't have a working DHCP server? You need to find the logs to see what's happening. |
| 21:03.13 | greycat | "journalct -u networking.service" was suggested, perhaps after you dropped out |
| 21:03.16 | greycat | GAH |
| 21:03.20 | greycat | "journalctl -u networking.service" was suggested, perhaps after you dropped out |
| 21:03.30 | asarch | Even with "auto enp6s8" or "auto eth0" or "auto enps68 iface enp6s8 inet dhcp" |
| 21:03.46 | greycat | The worst thing about systemd is none of the commands are TYPABLE. |
| 21:04.04 | karlpinc | asarch: Or, you either need to add "auto enp6s8" or "allow-hotplug enp6s8" depending. See: man interfaces |
| 21:04.11 | asarch | -bash: journactl: command not found |
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| 21:04.22 | greycat | See, you can't type it either! |
| 21:04.48 | tarzeau | it's cursed |
| 21:04.53 | asarch | However, dhclient works |
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| 21:04.56 | tarzeau | auto cursing |
| 21:04.59 | greycat | *sigh* |
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| 21:05.28 | greycat | 14:04 asarch> I already set auto enp6s8 iface enp6s8 inet dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:06.01 | asarch | ? |
| 21:06.01 | greycat | At the time you wrote that, I *ASSUMED* (danger) that you meant two lines, "auto enp6s8" and "iface enp6s8 inet dhcp". |
| 21:06.48 | asarch | I tried both cases, as one single line and as two separate lines |
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| 21:06.57 | greycat | Well, it needs to be two lines. |
| 21:07.08 | asarch | Ok |
| 21:07.22 | greycat | And you need to be able to type journalctl correctly, although you're allowed to take multiple runs at it, as I did. |
| 21:07.42 | asarch | I copied and pasted your line |
| 21:07.49 | greycat | No, you didn't. |
| 21:07.53 | asarch | You typo twice |
| 21:11.34 | greycat | My first line was missing the final "l". My second was correct, adding the final "l" without dropping the first "l". Your error message shows you adding the final "l" but dropping the first "l". |
| 21:11.42 | karlpinc | asarch: Does it do the right thing if you use ifup/ifdown on the interface? |
| 21:12.31 | greycat | At any rate, if you want to know WHY it didn't work when you booted, you need to go read the logs, either journalctl, or /var/log/something, or anything that works. |
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| 21:12.46 | karlpinc | (agreed) |
| 21:13.35 | asarch | Ok, ok |
| 21:14.11 | karlpinc | greycat: You have a metric for "worst" that's orthogonal to mine. :) |
| 21:14.13 | asarch | Just hold a second, since this is a blind installation, now neither that configuration works nor dhclient |
| 21:16.00 | asarch | Where is stored the log file of "journalctl -u networking.service" ? |
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| 21:17.29 | greycat | asarch: systemd uses binary log files either in memory or on disk. By default in Debian they are in memory only. You have to go out of your way to get them saved to disk. In any case, they are NOT human readable. Only the journalctl command can read them. |
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| 21:17.45 | asarch | :( |
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| 21:19.45 | karlpinc | asarch: For on-disk logging see: zless /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz |
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| 21:20.42 | Akuw_ | i cant copy my public key in a server, but i am using a root account |
| 21:21.21 | karlpinc | Akuw_: What do you mean "can't"? |
| 21:22.02 | Akuw_ | sh: 1: cannot create .ssh/authorized_keys: Permission denied |
| 21:22.15 | greycat | karlpinc: mine has no .gz extension |
| 21:22.35 | karlpinc | greycat: I'm still on stretch. |
| 21:23.23 | ZaZaGX | what version is stretch? number wise |
| 21:23.27 | greycat | 9 |
| 21:23.35 | greycat | !release history |
| 21:23.35 | dpkg | Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17), Buster (10; 2019-07-06). Next: Bullseye. http://deb.li/it56U |
| 21:23.37 | ZaZaGX | ohh, i just started to use Debian.. which is 10 |
| 21:25.50 | karlpinc | Akuw_: Then there is some other security setup on the remote system. What OS is running there? |
| 21:26.01 | Akuw_ | debian jessie |
| 21:26.13 | ZaZaGX | is debian 9 still supported? i have no ide |
| 21:26.14 | ZaZaGX | aa |
| 21:26.19 | greycat | Yes, it is. |
| 21:26.25 | ZaZaGX | https://ubuntu.com/nice |
| 21:26.28 | ZaZaGX | ops |
| 21:26.28 | ZaZaGX | nice |
| 21:26.47 | greycat | It will be fully supported for 1 year after Debian 10's release, so about 11 months remaining. After that it gets less than full support, under Debian LTS program. |
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| 21:27.16 | asarch | greycat: "Maybe your network doesn't have a working DHCP server?" Do you mean dhcpd? This is a barely installation with no graphical interface suport, just "print server", "web server" and so on |
| 21:27.27 | ZaZaGX | hmm |
| 21:27.35 | Akuw_ | karlpinc: what can i check |
| 21:27.40 | greycat | asarch: your *network*. The stuff on the other end of the cable. Or on the other end of the wireless access point. |
| 21:27.59 | greycat | Or built into the same casing as the wireless access point, in some setups. |
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| 21:29.05 | asarch | I see |
| 21:29.09 | asarch | ' |
| 21:29.31 | karlpinc | Akuw_ Tell us more about what command you're typing, what directory you are in, what "ls -lhd .ssh" says, for starters. That's the basics. |
| 21:30.08 | greycat | (which system you're typing it on, which user you're logged in as, ...) |
| 21:30.11 | Akuw_ | ssh-copy-id root@192.168.1.20 |
| 21:30.32 | Akuw_ | i can login as root using ssh and can use fdisk |
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| 21:32.34 | Akuw_ | if i try to modify authorized keys i got message read only |
| 21:33.03 | karlpinc | Akuw_: What does "findmnt /" say? |
| 21:33.11 | karlpinc | (on the remote system) |
| 21:33.12 | pasiz | Akuw_: you need to be root to edit roots home directory contents |
| 21:33.25 | Akuw_ | i am root |
| 21:33.37 | greycat | good luck with the tooth pulling |
| 21:33.47 | pasiz | and you have no rights to modify your filesystem |
| 21:34.14 | Akuw_ | "/ /dev/sda1 ext4 rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered" |
| 21:34.50 | karlpinc | Akuw_: How about: ls -lh .ssh/authorized_keys |
| 21:34.52 | pasiz | ?? |
| 21:35.08 | pasiz | where you try to modify your authorized keys |
| 21:35.37 | Akuw_ | "-rw------- 1 root root 772 Feb 18 20:04 .ssh/authorized_keys |
| 21:35.37 | Akuw_ | " |
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| 21:36.23 | pasiz | could you pwd |
| 21:36.34 | pasiz | pasting relative paths won't help |
| 21:36.41 | Akuw_ | "/root" |
| 21:36.47 | karlpinc | Akuw_ What command are you typing when you "got message read only"? |
| 21:37.10 | Akuw_ | if i use vi to modify authorized keys |
| 21:37.35 | Akuw_ | is read only |
| 21:37.39 | Akuw_ | but i am root |
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| 21:37.47 | pasiz | if you use cat "key" > ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 21:38.19 | pasiz | and whoami returns you root? |
| 21:38.25 | karlpinc | Akuw_: what does "getenforce" say? |
| 21:39.05 | Akuw_ | -bash: getenforce: command not found |
| 21:39.11 | karlpinc | pasiz: ("id" is probably a better choice) |
| 21:39.14 | pasiz | that is not part of debian |
| 21:39.18 | pasiz | whoami is good |
| 21:39.38 | karlpinc | pasiz: It can be part of debian. |
| 21:39.43 | Akuw_ | whoami --> root |
| 21:39.56 | pasiz | and did you try with cat |
| 21:40.05 | pasiz | like i suggested |
| 21:40.22 | humpled | but |
| 21:40.30 | karlpinc | pasiz: Better would be to use >> instead of > (!) Otherwise you clobber what's there. |
| 21:40.34 | Akuw_ | yes |
| 21:40.41 | Akuw_ | using > can delete all |
| 21:41.02 | pasiz | Akuw_: so you have multiple keys on there? |
| 21:41.13 | Akuw_ | 2 keys |
| 21:41.14 | karlpinc | pasiz: The file has a non-zero size. |
| 21:41.50 | pasiz | karlpinc: of course, Akuw_ runs ssh-copy-id |
| 21:42.13 | pasiz | but back from semantics |
| 21:42.21 | pasiz | could you write there with cat |
| 21:42.55 | pasiz | no matter if you use > or >>, that doesn't make nothing for me |
| 21:44.20 | Akuw_ | -bash: authorized_keys: Permission denied |
| 21:44.25 | Akuw_ | using cat |
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| 21:45.20 | Bushmills | can you create new files in .ssh directory? touch foo |
| 21:45.57 | Akuw_ | wait |
| 21:46.01 | humpled | or ls -ld ~/.ssh |
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| 21:46.18 | Akuw_ | yes, i created ad deleted |
| 21:46.27 | Akuw_ | and* |
| 21:47.39 | humpled | this is all very strange |
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| 21:48.11 | Bushmills | rename authorized_keys? mv authorized_keys authorized_keys.strange |
| 21:48.16 | CaptainDusty | Akuw_: Would highly recommend creating a different user, and granting elevation priv. You may have stated, and have legitimate, good reason to not do so - sorry. Then configure ssh keys under said user. |
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| 21:49.24 | Akuw_ | but how is possible root cant do that |
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| 21:50.26 | Bushmills | can happen in case of file system errors, or files on "virtual" file system, like crypto fs and such |
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| 21:51.02 | Bushmills | latter in case of user mismatch |
| 21:51.21 | Bushmills | which doesn't seem to apply here |
| 21:51.38 | Akuw_ | let me try with another server |
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| 21:52.36 | Akuw_ | none |
| 21:52.39 | Akuw_ | all servers do same |
| 21:53.11 | Akuw_ | then i would like to know the procedure to make root cant change that |
| 21:53.29 | Bushmills | what does lsattr show? |
| 21:53.47 | Bushmills | (of files in .ssh) |
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| 21:54.08 | CaptainDusty | Are you sure you're root? `id`? |
| 21:54.13 | Akuw_ | yes |
| 21:54.15 | CaptainDusty | I guess you wouldn't be in that folder otherwise. |
| 21:54.18 | CaptainDusty | Weird. |
| 21:54.42 | SerajewelKS | maybe check dmesg for any messages from the kernel |
| 21:54.44 | CaptainDusty | As per Bushmills - Perhaps it's mounted ro? lol |
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| 21:55.04 | SerajewelKS | IIRC the error for a read-only filesystem is not "permission denied" |
| 21:55.09 | SerajewelKS | it's "read-only filesystem" :) |
| 21:55.15 | Akuw_ | my $UID is 0 |
| 21:55.24 | Bushmills | he seems to decline showing anything related to file permissions, after having asked 3 times already |
| 21:55.34 | Bushmills | so i think he's just playing with us |
| 21:55.43 | Akuw_ | ? |
| 21:55.46 | Akuw_ | who? |
| 21:55.47 | CaptainDusty | SerajewelKS: Good point. |
| 21:55.51 | SerajewelKS | Akuw_: while in the directory, show us the output of three commands: (1) id (2) ls -l (3) ls -ld . |
| 21:56.00 | Akuw_ | ok |
| 21:56.01 | Akuw_ | wait |
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| 21:56.14 | Akuw_ | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
| 21:56.36 | Akuw_ | can i paste 3 lines here? |
| 21:56.42 | Akuw_ | for ls -l |
| 21:57.20 | Bushmills | just the authorized_keys output should do. also with lsattr |
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| 21:58.21 | Bushmills | (i currently suspect that there's an "i" in lsattr output |
| 21:58.24 | Bushmills | ) |
| 21:58.53 | Akuw_ | ls -ld . ->> drwx------+ 2 root root 4096 Aug 7 17:46 . |
| 21:58.58 | SerajewelKS | Bushmills: +i would do that. but only for content changes. the file should still be able to be moved |
| 21:59.22 | Akuw_ | well guys i have to go, tomorrow i can continue |
| 21:59.23 | Bushmills | yes, but i didn't yet reply to my suggestion to mv it |
| 21:59.25 | Akuw_ | thanks |
| 21:59.32 | SerajewelKS | *plonk* |
| 21:59.35 | CaptainDusty | Remind me on `+i`? |
| 21:59.41 | SerajewelKS | CaptainDusty: man chattr |
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| 22:00.13 | SerajewelKS | Bushmills: +i can't be renamed either according to the manpage |
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| 22:00.27 | CaptainDusty | SerajewelKS: Not on an immediate Debian box -blush- sorry |
| 22:00.43 | SerajewelKS | CaptainDusty: ah. well it makes the file immutable even to root. of course root can undo it. |
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| 22:00.46 | Bushmills | we don't know. speculation atm |
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| 22:01.06 | SerajewelKS | CaptainDusty: but it's useful to stop random programs from stomping on config files sometimes |
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| 22:01.13 | CaptainDusty | immutable. |
| 22:01.19 | CaptainDusty | Nice. Thanks. SerajewelKS |
| 22:01.25 | SerajewelKS | i've used it on /etc/resolv.conf until i was able to figure out what was making bad changes to it |
| 22:01.46 | SerajewelKS | it's a bandaid... shouldn't really be used permanently. but it's nice to keep your system working until you track something down. |
| 22:01.51 | CaptainDusty | SerajewelKS: And, in that case; what was making bad changes to it? |
| 22:02.01 | SerajewelKS | i don't remember, this was over 10 years ago |
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| 22:02.15 | Bushmills | resolvconf or network-manager, i suspect |
| 22:02.15 | CaptainDusty | SerajewelKS: Fair enough. |
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| 22:02.38 | SerajewelKS | Bushmills: it was on behalf of something else though, i think it was resolvconf but the error was in some other config |
| 22:03.07 | Bushmills | same problem, same approach, just sounds familiar :) |
| 22:03.20 | SerajewelKS | yep |
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| 22:05.17 | Bushmills | network-mismanager, called hence |
| 22:06.10 | karlpinc | F |
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| 22:06.37 | karlpinc | FWIW, Akuw_ did a ls -lh authorized_keys and there was no trailing + on the permissions, so I figured no acls. |
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| 22:57.57 | CrystalMath | hi all |
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| 22:59.06 | CrystalMath | what's that number in the apt policy output? |
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| 23:00.54 | Habbie | CrystalMath, which number? |
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| 23:02.49 | CrystalMath | 100 and 500? |
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| 23:03.31 | tomreyn | CrystalMath: priority |
| 23:03.40 | CrystalMath | do they mean something? |
| 23:04.11 | tomreyn | yes :) |
| 23:04.28 | CrystalMath | but what? |
| 23:04.32 | CrystalMath | i think my apt is messed up |
| 23:04.36 | CrystalMath | it's showing most things as 500 |
| 23:05.40 | dvs | That's what it usually is |
| 23:06.00 | tomreyn | see apt_preferences(5) |
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| 23:10.56 | CrystalMath | hmm, i think i understand now |
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| 23:26.16 | m0rd3cai | hello #debian. i really hope someone can help. laptop has had no issues in over a year. just booted it up and none of the windows have borders, no X, minimize or maximize. A trail is left when I drag a window. I have not done an update in a week or so I dont know how it could be related at all but I dont even know where to start. Ive tried booting with the advanced option and choosing the older kernel |
| 23:26.22 | m0rd3cai | (only 2 are listed) 4.9.0.8 and 4.9.0.9 is current. |
| 23:26.30 | m0rd3cai | Im using XFCE not Gnome. |
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| 23:29.17 | jmcnaught | m0rd3cai: is xfwm4 running? I think that's the xfce window manager. |
| 23:29.29 | m0rd3cai | lets see |
| 23:30.28 | koollman | no border/button is a typicaly sign of window manager missing/broken |
| 23:30.53 | m0rd3cai | I see the rest of the window except the border and those buttons. |
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| 23:32.09 | Bushmills | and you can move windows only with keys, or Alt+mouse? |
| 23:32.11 | m0rd3cai | jmcnaught: i see /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session --run-script startxfce4 |
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| 23:33.04 | m0rd3cai | xfdesktop, xfsettingsd and xfce4-panel is running also. Is there a simple way to reinstall xfce? |
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| 23:33.28 | Bushmills | probably no need to |
| 23:33.37 | jmcnaught | m0rd3cai: you probably just need to run xfwm4, Alt-F2 might bring up a run dialogue |
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| 23:35.11 | koollman | but it should already be running. so the trick question is 'why is xfwm4 not running/crashed?' |
| 23:35.30 | poot | and if that bombs, use alt-f2 to open a terminal and see running xfwm4 from the command line gives you any meaningful output. You might luck out and get info on why it's giving up (if it is) |
| 23:35.50 | m0rd3cai | alt-f2 wont open another terminal. hrm.... |
| 23:36.07 | koollman | ctrl-alt-f2, then |
| 23:36.26 | Bushmills | switches console ... |
| 23:36.26 | jmcnaught | that'll just switch to tty2 |
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| 23:38.09 | jmcnaught | m0rd3cai: or if you can still access xfce settings through the panel, look for an autostart section and add xfwm4 then log out and log back in . |
| 23:38.46 | gartt | When I try to do "nc -l 2389" on one terminal and "nc localhost 2389" on another of the same box, why do I get "(UNKNOWN) [127.0.0.1] 4545 (?) : Connection refused"? Isn't this one of the simplest netcat examples? |
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| 23:40.20 | m0rd3cai | wow. rebooted and it worked. tried to reboot again and same old crap. it wasnt letting me switch to tty2, alt f2 or ctrl+alt f2 |
| 23:40.58 | poot | gartt: what happens when you do lsof -i | grep 2389 |
| 23:41.21 | gartt | poot: Nothing at all |
| 23:41.45 | gartt | I tried both commands as root, but doesn't seem to make any difference |
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| 23:42.12 | poot | if the nc -l 2389 is still running, it should show the port, so that's weird. You don't have any iptables rules or anything like that? |
| 23:42.53 | poot | perhaps try nc -v -l 2389 for more verbose output. |
| 23:44.46 | gartt | Hmm, interesting that the same commands work fine on a Mac osx box |
| 23:45.31 | koollman | there are different nc implementations (gnu and bsd, mainly) |
| 23:46.02 | gartt | Hmm, I apologize, I'm SSHd in a slackware box now. Sorry |
| 23:46.08 | koollman | gartt: nc -l -p 2389 |
| 23:46.14 | koollman | (of the other way do not work) |
| 23:46.21 | koollman | s/of/if/ |
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| 23:46.43 | gartt | koollman: Works like a charm with -p |
| 23:46.57 | gartt | poot, koollman: Thanks |
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| 23:53.05 | poot | thanks koollman, til about diff nc implementations. That's sort of... frustrating. |
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| 23:54.17 | poot | gartt: condolences on having to work on a slackware box :P |
| 23:54.38 | koollman | poot: on many distributions, both versions can be installed, too :) |
| 23:55.21 | poot | I remember the good old days when all we had to worry about was SysV vs. BSD conventions... </offtopicrant> |
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| 23:58.08 | koollman | debian for example has netcat-openbsd and netcat-traditional |
