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| 00:06.13 | toka | Anyone?... don't mean to be hasty. my first time using irc ~('_'~) |
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| 00:10.42 | _Cute_Kitty_ | what's up there toka chan |
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| 00:11.15 | _Cute_Kitty_ | try running nvidia-settings through terminal and see what output you get |
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| 00:18.53 | osubuck_ | can someone help me out using snap packages? |
| 00:18.58 | osubuck_ | getting this error |
| 00:19.01 | osubuck_ | Warning: /snap/bin was not found in your $PATH. If you've not restarted your |
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| 00:19.30 | J_C | !paste |
| 00:19.30 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 00:19.44 | osubuck_ | sorry |
| 00:20.34 | osubuck_ | http://paste.debian.net/1096749/ |
| 00:21.40 | J_C | osubuck_: what have you tried so far? did you restart your session? |
| 00:21.55 | osubuck_ | yes |
| 00:22.04 | toka | Trying to run nvidia-seetins |
| 00:22.13 | toka | *sry* |
| 00:23.05 | toka | Trying to run nvidia-settings gives Error: http://paste.debian.net/1096750/ |
| 00:23.33 | _Cute_Kitty_ | thank you, one moment |
| 00:24.19 | toka | ok thank _Cute_Kitty_. nvidia-settings is present in gnome application menu |
| 00:25.04 | J_C | osubuck_: when you type "echo $PATH" into your terminal, what is shown? |
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| 00:25.25 | osubuck_ | do i do this as sudo or regular permissions |
| 00:25.36 | J_C | regular should be fine |
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| 00:26.21 | _Cute_Kitty_ | toka: what nvidia gpu is this |
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| 00:28.30 | _Cute_Kitty_ | toka: what is the output of sudo prime-select nvidia |
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| 00:30.01 | toka | GPU info : lspci | grep 3D : 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM107M [GeForce GTX 950M] (rev a2) |
| 00:31.35 | toka | $ sudo prime-select nvidia : |
| 00:31.47 | toka | sudo: prime-select: command not found |
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| 00:32.38 | _Cute_Kitty_ | thank you |
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| 00:34.36 | toka | Not sure why prime-select wasn't installed with the driver. Is there another ppa or something i need for the package? |
| 00:36.29 | _Cute_Kitty_ | sudo apt install nvidia-prime |
| 00:36.34 | _Cute_Kitty_ | try that then run the command |
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| 00:39.26 | toka | (-_- ) it says: E: Package 'nvidia-prime' has no installation candidate. Full echo here: http://paste.debian.net/1096751/ |
| 00:40.09 | osubuck_ | J_C, any luck? |
| 00:40.15 | toka | online forums make config. seem so easy... lol |
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| 00:43.24 | toka | Could this be some sort of group/user permission issue? |
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| 00:44.05 | _Cute_Kitty_ | toka: no it means whatever repositories you have don't have nvidia prime in them :) |
| 00:44.11 | _Cute_Kitty_ | but i'm not actually sure if you need that. |
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| 00:47.43 | toka | ok... I did add the deb non-free repo. I had to for my firmware-atheros wifi driver |
| 00:47.59 | _Cute_Kitty_ | so toka: what might be happening is that you are't using nvidia drivers right now, which is why nvidia doesn't want to load settings. you're probably still using whatever was default before, so to fix we need to get you switched |
| 00:48.02 | _Cute_Kitty_ | then the settings should open |
| 00:48.10 | _Cute_Kitty_ | at least that's how i would try to problem solve it |
| 00:48.38 | _Cute_Kitty_ | what is the output of lsmod | grep nouveau and lsmod | grep nvidia? |
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| 00:53.14 | toka | # lsmod | grep nouveau && lsmod | grep nvidia : http://paste.debian.net/1096756/ |
| 00:54.12 | toka | _Cute_Kitty_: thanks for you help btw (^_^) |
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| 01:19.23 | _Cute_Kitty_ | toka: you have nouveau running, that must be why nvidia isn't working |
| 01:19.39 | _Cute_Kitty_ | so we need to find a way to disable that, default to the nvidia package you installed, and then you should be good |
| 01:20.28 | _Cute_Kitty_ | do you have nvidia-xconfig installed? |
| 01:20.38 | toka | let me see... |
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| 01:21.11 | toka | im installing it now |
| 01:21.15 | _Cute_Kitty_ | if not, install it, then restart and it *should* blacklist nouveau, I think |
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| 01:21.31 | toka | k. got it |
| 01:21.38 | _Cute_Kitty_ | but before restarting make sure you have your config file at /etc/X11/xorg.conf. |
| 01:21.58 | _Cute_Kitty_ | and under the "driver" section in the file, make sure it says nvidia |
| 01:23.25 | toka | so i dont have /etc/X11/xorg.conf. should i make it or is there a script to do so? |
| 01:23.53 | _Cute_Kitty_ | first, mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 01:23.58 | toka | i have /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 01:24.05 | _Cute_Kitty_ | then, echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 01:24.25 | _Cute_Kitty_ | that's what you need |
| 01:24.30 | _Cute_Kitty_ | so disregard the commands |
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| 01:24.43 | _Cute_Kitty_ | open it using nano in terminal please? |
| 01:26.10 | toka | only i ran the command to make 20-nvidia.conf |
| 01:27.20 | _Cute_Kitty_ | sorry i don't follow toka: |
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| 01:28.50 | toka | sorry... I only had '00-keyboard.conf' in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 01:29.13 | toka | ran your command to make 20-nvidia.conf |
| 01:29.24 | _Cute_Kitty_ | ok |
| 01:29.31 | _Cute_Kitty_ | so now when you open it what does it say |
| 01:31.03 | toka | file content: http://paste.debian.net/1096766/ |
| 01:31.20 | _Cute_Kitty_ | excellent, that's what we want, now try rebooting |
| 01:32.01 | toka | ok. let's try it! be back soon. |
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| 01:36.08 | SerajewelKS | the more services i have configured on a server, the more my butthole clenches during a release upgrade |
| 01:37.05 | _Cute_Kitty_ | toka: i'm sorry i forgot to tell you to run nvidia-xconfig as sudo firt |
| 01:37.16 | _Cute_Kitty_ | that would have generated the file you need, and set up a couple of other things. |
| 01:37.30 | _Cute_Kitty_ | so please run that as a sudo in terminal, then reboot |
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| 01:57.30 | toka | hey _Cute_Kitty_: sooo... that didn't work. result was my system stalling on boot splash. verbose showed the system stopped after attempting to start 'GNOME Display Manager'. Had to rescue with live disk by deleting the nvidia conf file we made. (@_@ ) |
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| 02:00.05 | _Cute_Kitty_ | eek. toka: unfortunately I have to go to bed because I have a long drive tomorrow, however, i can give you some parting advice. You may need to boot to cli instead of a graphical interface to do your work, - I don't know if the nouveau driver and nvidia driver conflict when you're trying to load either within the gui. my next steps would be to purge everything nvidia related, using apt-get purge and then apt-get autoremove, then |
| 02:00.06 | _Cute_Kitty_ | follow this guide from scratch. https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers t |
| 02:00.30 | _Cute_Kitty_ | it may also help to google that nvidia model you showed me the lsci result of, and see if anyone else had any particular quirks getting it running in linux |
| 02:01.09 | _Cute_Kitty_ | the guide linked basically does the same thing you did already, with the nvidia detect, but there might have been a step you missed. |
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| 02:01.36 | _Cute_Kitty_ | also, you'll get it fixed, eventually, albeit slow. post here, post in the debian forums, and wait. someone can and will help you eventually. Good night and I hope you get it working :) |
| 02:02.51 | toka | ok. ill check it out. Thank you for your help. Have a good night (^_^) |
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| 02:38.45 | SerajewelKS | looks like i need to switch from virtualbox to kvm now |
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| 02:44.38 | annadane | what even is the best, low hassle virtualization solution in debian... i guess it's still virt-manager |
| 02:44.55 | annadane | QEMU seems daunting with all the options and virt-manager is just Magic In A Box |
| 02:46.13 | annadane | oh this is nice https://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization |
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| 03:15.29 | annadane | what's the way to read /usr/share/doc stuff when you don't have the package installed? |
| 03:16.47 | dvs | ??? |
| 03:16.56 | dvs | less? or zless? |
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| 03:17.56 | annadane | when you *don't* have the package installed... |
| 03:18.23 | annadane | you can download the package's tar from the debian site but the directory structure isn't quite organized how you'd expect |
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| 03:20.03 | dvs | hmmm... I haven't tried to do this. |
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| 03:29.19 | jmcnaught | annadane: try debmany in the debian-goodies package |
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| 03:42.01 | SerajewelKS | where is the configuration information from a dpkg-reconfigure run stored, and is there a frontend to query it? |
| 03:43.38 | SerajewelKS | nm found it, debconf-show |
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| 04:18.01 | SerajewelKS | what's the recommended way to manage KVM virtual machines (e.g. virt-manager) but without a GUI? |
| 04:18.21 | alkisg | Why not run kvm directly? |
| 04:18.28 | alkisg | kvm -m 512 path/to/vm |
| 04:18.29 | aypea[3] | libvirtd |
| 04:18.47 | aypea[3] | akisg: because it gets complicated fast beyond the defaults. |
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| 04:19.07 | alkisg | ok |
| 04:20.05 | aypea[3] | my qemu cli args are almost 3kB in size. |
| 04:22.47 | SerajewelKS | ugh so after the upgrade to buster, one of my filesystems (on a raid1) won't mount. the raid1 is assembled. mount completes successfully. dmesg has "EXT4-fs (md127): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)" |
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| 04:23.00 | SerajewelKS | but the mountpoint is empty and umount says that it isn't mounted |
| 04:23.16 | aypea[3] | md127 is odd. |
| 04:23.36 | aypea[3] | that usually happens when the system doesn't recognise the raid as being in its config |
| 04:23.49 | SerajewelKS | regardless it is assembled and running |
| 04:24.06 | SerajewelKS | (FWIW it was md127 from the moment i created it) |
| 04:24.12 | aypea[3] | ah |
| 04:24.18 | aypea[3] | that's different then |
| 04:24.22 | SerajewelKS | i gave it a name, that's the number that was apparently chosen |
| 04:24.27 | SerajewelKS | anyway, i can't figure out why it won't mount |
| 04:24.33 | aypea[3] | does it show up in /proc/mounts ? |
| 04:24.56 | SerajewelKS | no |
| 04:25.10 | aypea[3] | so it's not mounted. did you try to mount it? |
| 04:25.30 | SerajewelKS | it's like i didn't even precisely describe the problem at 4:22 |
| 04:25.38 | SerajewelKS | i can paste that message again if you'd like |
| 04:26.13 | SerajewelKS | i *think* i figured it out... i think it's systemd nonsense again |
| 04:26.20 | aypea[3] | well, you can if you want but given the fact that you're paying me $0 here I'll pass on your snark and leave you be. |
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| 04:27.05 | SerajewelKS | i don't much enjoy repeating myself after giving a precise description of the problem that already answers the question |
| 04:27.20 | SerajewelKS | *shrug* |
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| 04:27.48 | SerajewelKS | anyway it appears that "systemctl daemon-reload" is now necessary after modifying fstab |
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| 04:29.19 | SerajewelKS | it's particularly bizarre to me that mount didn't complain when the source device in fstab didn't exist. but then after correcting the problem and re-running mount, it appeared to work (based on the kernel log) but didn't... my suspicion is that a systemd .mount was still running and fighting over the mountpoint. |
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| 04:32.49 | SerajewelKS | yep is systemd nonsense combined with -o nofail (apparently this makes the "mount" command not fail at all; i assumed this only meant that failure to mount wouldn't make systemd panic during boot) |
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| 06:48.11 | dataCobra | Good Morning everyone, today I found out that the mac adress of my wifi get randomized on bootup. I use debian buster and did not specifiy this behavior. How can I disable this? |
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| 06:49.01 | alkisg | dataCobra: in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf put these: |
| 06:49.05 | alkisg | [device] |
| 06:49.05 | alkisg | wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=no |
| 06:49.22 | alkisg | There's a bug report about it the debian bug tracker too; ubuntu uses "no" by default |
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| 06:50.02 | alkisg | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=879484 |
| 06:50.03 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/879484 in network-manager (open): «Network-Manager should Default to Non-Random MAC Address on WiFi»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2017-10-22; last modified: 2019-08-16. |
| 06:51.29 | dataCobra | Okay sorry I should make clear I do not use NetworkManager |
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| 06:51.50 | dataCobra | I made a small install with debootstrap and only installed xorg + i3 + wicd-curses |
| 06:52.16 | dataCobra | Okay never mind |
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| 06:52.32 | dataCobra | Why is /etc/NetworkManager there even if I dont use NetworkManager? |
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| 06:53.32 | dataCobra | Thank you for the information guys :) |
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| 07:23.18 | at0m | dataCobra: you may not use it, but did the machine ever have it installed? If any file in there has been edited/changed, removal of the package won't remove the dir |
| 07:26.01 | at0m | dataCobra: iiuc, the idea behind this is that upon reinstallation, the previous edit would still apply |
| 07:26.53 | at0m | dataCobra: an apt purge or dpkg -P would remove those remaining files, i think |
| 07:26.58 | dataCobra | Hey at0m: There was no NetworkManager installed. It was a fresh install with debootstrap and xorg + i3 + wicd. |
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| 07:27.58 | dataCobra | at0m: That's why I am so confused about the appearance of the directory |
| 07:28.27 | at0m | i see. not sure why that would be there then |
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| 07:31.32 | alkisg | dataCobra: dpkg -S /etc/NetworkManager ==> will probably tell you which package wrote that, if the package did it correctly |
| 07:32.05 | dataCobra | alkisg: at0m: tlp-rdw and chrony creating this directoy |
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| 07:33.08 | dataCobra | alkisg: at0m: I assume that tlp-rdw is the one that set the configuration files. Because on my non-thinkpad laptops there is no mac-address change |
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| 07:42.05 | ZaZaGX | whoa, i found out there is Justin Bieber linux distro |
| 07:43.01 | kirk781 | ZaZaGX, I assume it's just like Hannah Montana Linux. A skin on top of an existing Debian system? |
| 07:43.57 | J_C | ZaZaGX: it's called biebian isn't it? |
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| 07:46.03 | Unit193 | kirk781: Hannah Montana linux unfortunately did have a use though, it was the first one to default to Wayland back before gnome and KDE had support. |
| 07:46.17 | Haohmaru | i wish i could unsee that |
| 07:46.40 | Butt3rfly | lol |
| 07:47.06 | kirk781 | Unit193, I wondered if anyone considered that use case when installing it :p |
| 07:47.06 | J_C | that's hilarious |
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| 07:47.39 | Haohmaru | bieberunto would've been better |
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| 07:48.19 | kirk781 | Unit193, is your username a Doctor Who reference? |
| 07:48.35 | Unit193 | kirk781: My other one, TheMaster is. |
| 07:48.54 | kirk781 | Ah |
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| 07:50.43 | kirk781 | Biebian is based on Puppy Linux. Apparently, it was started via a four chan thread |
| 07:50.51 | kirk781 | knowyourmeme.com has an entry on it :p |
| 07:52.26 | Haohmaru | x_x |
| 07:52.47 | Haohmaru | i need a puke bag |
| 07:53.17 | J_C | interesting |
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| 08:59.14 | *** topic/#debian is Debian 10 Buster released! /msg dpkg buster; /msg dpkg stretch->buster; /msg dpkg apt suite changed | Oldstable Stretch: /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg 9.9 ; 9.9 needs dist-upgrade | Jessie: jessie-{updates,backports} removed, /msg dpkg jessie-lts | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net| chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
| 09:00.32 | jelly | !fr |
| 09:00.32 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. |
| 09:00.40 | jelly | ha, already said |
| 09:00.42 | nico__ | !restart |
| 09:00.42 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 09:00.49 | nico__ | continue(); |
| 09:01.11 | jelly | nico__: this is a tech support channel though. If you want to chat there's #debian-offtopic, keep this channel for technical questions |
| 09:01.14 | Haohmaru | i think nico__ is bored |
| 09:01.16 | Haohmaru | !bored |
| 09:01.28 | nico__ | Hi, Welcome on #debian, I'm nico your compagnon |
| 09:01.35 | Haohmaru | this entry should exist |
| 09:01.42 | nico__ | you can try to go in grass |
| 09:01.49 | nico__ | and look the sky |
| 09:01.56 | nico__ | with sunglace and basket |
| 09:02.09 | nico__ | "We have no grass" |
| 09:02.11 | nico__ | Buy it. |
| 09:02.13 | nico__ | It's cheaps |
| 09:02.17 | nico__ | You can grow it if you want |
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| 09:02.33 | nico__ | freelancer |
| 09:02.43 | nico__ | it's business comparaison |
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| 09:02.54 | nico__ | *bruit de bisous* |
| 09:03.09 | Haohmaru | hombre, do you have a debian question? |
| 09:03.20 | nico__ | yeah |
| 09:03.24 | Haohmaru | i doubt it |
| 09:03.26 | nico__ | i need to know where is stocked weed |
| 09:03.36 | nico__ | It's have the delivery |
| 09:03.39 | nico__ | In the truck |
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| 09:07.34 | ZaZaGX | omg, it says I shouldn't be a software devopler |
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| 09:08.20 | ZaZaGX | but i use Debian. that is so odd |
| 09:08.31 | Haohmaru | who says so? |
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| 09:11.17 | ZaZaGX | MBTI personality type |
| 09:11.23 | Haohmaru | okay, here's a lil question: so far i upgraded like 3 machines from debian 9 to 10, and when they boot (i guess in the beginning of systemd) the first thing i see is "resuming from hybernation" <- dafuq? shall i be worried? |
| 09:11.40 | ZaZaGX | oh mine does that too |
| 09:11.58 | ZaZaGX | i just ignore that lol |
| 09:12.06 | Haohmaru | so do i, but it's weird |
| 09:12.15 | ZaZaGX | its just a message |
| 09:12.29 | ZaZaGX | i don't think it's using power when i powerdown |
| 09:12.34 | Haohmaru | i know sometimes all kinds of errors might show up and yet the linux "runs fine" afterwards <shrug.gif> |
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| 09:13.03 | Haohmaru | nah, it prints that even on reboot or whatever.. it sorta prints it always |
| 09:13.11 | J_C | It's a message for bears when winter is over |
| 09:14.52 | ZaZaGX | yeah i see it too when i boot up |
| 09:15.09 | Haohmaru | debian 10 - bears inside(TM) |
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| 09:19.34 | ZaZaGX | ah oh |
| 09:19.44 | ZaZaGX | isn't that bear from toy story evil? |
| 09:19.55 | ZaZaGX | its going to the next debian 13 |
| 09:20.03 | J_C | Lotso |
| 09:20.29 | ZaZaGX | Lots-o'-Huggin' Bear |
| 09:20.51 | Haohmaru | more weird names for debian versions.. x_x |
| 09:21.04 | ZaZaGX | i think its too long |
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| 09:21.34 | Haohmaru | can't it be called debian furteen like normal |
| 09:21.37 | Haohmaru | or just 13 |
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| 09:22.27 | Haohmaru | or debianten the third |
| 09:22.48 | J_C | Lotso was the shorthand name he was referred to as |
| 09:22.51 | ZaZaGX | no, it has to be a toy story character |
| 09:23.00 | ZaZaGX | name |
| 09:23.08 | Haohmaru | meh |
| 09:23.24 | Haohmaru | this is probably the one and only thing i don't like about debian |
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| 09:23.28 | ZaZaGX | I wonder Lotso would be the next name of the release for debian |
| 09:23.32 | Bushmills | or call it "stable" or "testing" :) |
| 09:24.05 | J_C | Can't wait for Debian Barbie to come along :P |
| 09:24.15 | Insanity_ | Lol, I vote for Debian Barbie :D |
| 09:24.25 | Haohmaru | there's a barbie in that movie too? |
| 09:24.31 | ZaZaGX | and Ken |
| 09:24.31 | J_C | yep |
| 09:24.32 | Insanity_ | In Toy Story 3, yeah |
| 09:24.34 | Haohmaru | oh noes |
| 09:24.42 | Haohmaru | pls, make this stop |
| 09:24.47 | Insanity_ | Toy Story 4 has a fork as a toy so y'know.. could be worse |
| 09:24.48 | J_C | In Toy Story 2 there are multiple barbies too |
| 09:24.48 | Haohmaru | where do i vote |
| 09:24.59 | ZaZaGX | i personally like the toy story names |
| 09:25.08 | J_C | Insanity_: Debian Fork, yeah, I can see the problem there |
| 09:25.15 | Insanity_ | Lol good point |
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| 09:25.32 | Haohmaru | there are already debian fork(s) around |
| 09:25.58 | ZaZaGX | debian Bo Peep |
| 09:26.19 | J_C | We already had Bo |
| 09:26.24 | ZaZaGX | nooo |
| 09:26.25 | J_C | Debian 1.3 |
| 09:26.32 | ZaZaGX | how about Debian shark |
| 09:26.40 | ZaZaGX | that sounds more manly |
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| 09:27.03 | Haohmaru | does it come with a JAWS wallpaper? |
| 09:27.03 | J_C | There's probably a shark toy in there somewhere |
| 09:27.25 | J_C | Zurg would be a funny one too |
| 09:28.35 | ZaZaGX | how about debian mr.spell |
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| 09:29.55 | ZaZaGX | egh, i didn't know toy story 4 was out. i have been living under a rock this whole time |
| 09:30.14 | Bushmills | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters |
| 09:30.56 | ZaZaGX | i don't even have a tv |
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| 09:31.39 | Insanity_ | They are on netflix. At least the first 3 :P So with a monitor + internet, you're good |
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| 09:31.56 | ZaZaGX | i don't even watch youtube |
| 09:32.00 | Insanity_ | My nephew got really into them this summer so I've seen them all about a million times... |
| 09:32.19 | ZaZaGX | tv was making me dumb, so i got rid of it |
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| 09:33.05 | ZaZaGX | it was rotten my brain |
| 09:33.37 | ZaZaGX | i believe people should read more, than watch the Kardashian |
| 09:33.54 | themill | suggests moving back to Debian user support |
| 09:33.55 | ayekat | you know you can switch channels on your TV :-P |
| 09:34.00 | ayekat | also yeah, this is a bit off-topic |
| 09:34.09 | Insanity_ | Lol xD |
| 09:34.39 | ZaZaGX | using and switching to debian makes me smarter with using linux commands |
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| 09:49.02 | ayekat | "switching"...? using Debian and participating in the real world don't really exclude themselves IMHO |
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| 09:57.16 | ZaZaGX | switching from Ubuntu |
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| 10:20.12 | Haohmaru | eww, crapbuntu |
| 10:21.16 | ratrace | lol |
| 10:22.28 | Haohmaru | yeah, hopefully he bleached his computer before installing debian on it |
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| 10:27.34 | humpled | y u so emo |
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| 10:35.11 | ZaZaGX | did it hurt? |
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| 10:48.03 | anddam | howdy, which one is preferred in order to install clisp in Stretch, backporting from buster or building from source? |
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| 10:55.20 | wwilliam | Hello I am unble to ssh into a box it accepts the pw but no login shell here is ssh -vvv |
| 10:55.22 | wwilliam | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/10096e77/ |
| 10:55.32 | wwilliam | any help is appreciated thank you. |
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| 10:56.44 | wwilliam | i can ssh as root to that box using ssh keys |
| 10:57.23 | vlt | wwilliam: What shell should that user get according to /etc/passwd? |
| 10:57.34 | wwilliam | ....../bin/bash |
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| 10:58.31 | wwilliam | an entry from /var/log/messages on that server for that user: |
| 10:58.33 | wwilliam | ug 21 06:53:07 ftp0 sshd[29025]: Accepted password for axafin from 198.190.195.65 port 31681 ssh2 |
| 10:58.48 | vlt | wwilliam: Can you `login axafin` as root there? |
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| 10:59.02 | wwilliam | su - axafin |
| 10:59.04 | wwilliam | yes |
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| 10:59.36 | vlt | wwilliam: And can you `login axafin` as root there? |
| 10:59.42 | ihristov | Can you check the MaxSessions in sshd config? And how many interactive connections there are currently on the machine? |
| 10:59.51 | wwilliam | checking |
| 11:00.19 | ihristov | If it is set at all |
| 11:00.24 | wwilliam | grep MaxSessions /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 11:00.26 | wwilliam | MaxSessions 100 |
| 11:00.52 | wwilliam | 3 sessions |
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| 11:06.13 | diogenes_ | Hey guys, i've been searching for the best way to turn off bluetooth from cli, i've come across a few suggestions, disabling it with systemctl, turning off from rfkill, modrpobe -r etc. Those are ok but how do i find the exact command that turns if off when you right click on the bluetooth applet and choose "Turn bluetooth off:? |
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| 11:07.47 | gkwhc | Hey guys, so this question isn't directly related, but I was wondering what project management tools do yall recommend? Have y'all tried Redmine or Zoho Project? I have experience with Redmine and think its great, just don't know if there's anything better out there. |
| 11:08.01 | Bushmills | diogenes_: service bluetooth stop |
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| 11:08.26 | Bushmills | alternatively, /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop |
| 11:08.46 | humpled | "the bluetooth applet" |
| 11:09.00 | Bushmills | "best way to turn off bluetooth from cli" |
| 11:09.09 | diogenes_ | Bushmills, bash: service: command not found |
| 11:09.17 | diogenes_ | maybe systemctl? |
| 11:10.00 | Haohmaru | perhaps check the applet source code to see how it does it |
| 11:10.13 | diogenes_ | good idea thanks^^^ |
| 11:10.32 | Haohmaru | there are no secrets in debian ;P~ |
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| 11:10.42 | Haohmaru | except in the non-free crap |
| 11:10.43 | Bushmills | service come from init-system-helpers and is in /usr/sbin |
| 11:11.20 | humpled | doesn't it make sense that if there's a way to do it in cli, there's a way to do it without sudo? |
| 11:11.39 | Bushmills | thatr's an indirect dependency of init |
| 11:11.41 | diogenes_ | Bushmills, /usr/sbin/service bluetooth stop requires passwork and the applet doesn't. |
| 11:11.46 | diogenes_ | what's the deal there? |
| 11:11.54 | humpled | erm, that's what i meant |
| 11:11.55 | diogenes_ | password* |
| 11:12.03 | humpled | diogenes_: |
| 11:12.15 | humpled | could you perhaps tell us which applet |
| 11:12.27 | diogenes_ | humpled, standard, blueman-applet. |
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| 11:13.12 | Haohmaru | hm, if a given file requires you to be root to "execute" it, is it possible there to be a symlink or something, pointing to that same file and not requiring root? |
| 11:13.46 | nvz | the applet is a user app.. the daemon or service isnt |
| 11:14.38 | Habbie | Haohmaru, a symlink? no |
| 11:14.42 | nvz | the sbin in that command tells you its a superuser command |
| 11:15.04 | Habbie | not all things in sbin require root, though |
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| 11:15.27 | nvz | shutting off bt via applet is via rfkill not stopping a servoce |
| 11:15.29 | Haohmaru | yeah, as a normal user i can just run /sbin/reboot |
| 11:15.44 | nvz | thats called suid |
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| 11:16.28 | ayekat | in the case of reboot, it's probably rather "symlink to systemctl, which treats it as `systemctl reboot`" |
| 11:16.38 | nvz | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 May 24 16:58 /sbin/reboot -> /bin/systemctl |
| 11:16.53 | Haohmaru | oh |
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| 11:17.25 | Haohmaru | then what does "reboot" (as root) do? |
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| 11:17.35 | ayekat | the same thing |
| 11:17.40 | Haohmaru | bluh |
| 11:18.21 | Haohmaru | i suspect it has worked differently in the past tho, "systemctl" smells like systemd-ish, which is a relatively recent thing |
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| 11:19.24 | ayekat | `reboot` is just something that may do different things depending on the init system - the systemctl symlink exists for compatibility reasons (because typing `systemctl reboot` each time is cumbersome) |
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| 11:19.48 | ayekat | one used to be able to do `init 6` for reboot, for instance |
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| 11:20.07 | Haohmaru | yeah, i don't like typing "systemctl" |
| 11:20.15 | ayekat | hence that symlink :-) |
| 11:20.32 | nvz | you can still do init 6 |
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| 11:21.04 | humpled | smels |
| 11:21.16 | EdePopede | i just did it. brings up a huge list with whatever 1st entry having the desctription "Arbitrary Executable File Formats File System Automount Point" |
| 11:21.22 | diogenes_ | lol guys, i've re-invented the wheel, the comman was: bluetooth off. |
| 11:21.32 | diogenes_ | simple and elegant. |
| 11:21.33 | humpled | yay |
| 11:21.36 | Haohmaru | hahha |
| 11:21.49 | Haohmaru | you would've never guessed it |
| 11:22.12 | diogenes_ | no chance to guess it Haohmaru XD |
| 11:22.18 | Haohmaru | sometimes linux may surprise you with simplicity |
| 11:22.32 | Haohmaru | when you least expect it |
| 11:23.11 | EdePopede | should commands be verbs or nouns? and what are they mostly? is there a clear tendency? |
| 11:24.49 | twanny796 | Any Mailman users? |
| 11:25.01 | ayekat | EdePopede: not really - although I'd say it's typically either of {verb} {args..} or {noun} {verb} {args...} |
| 11:25.03 | Haohmaru | need a linux command assistant, like a big smiling paperclip |
| 11:26.06 | ayekat | EdePopede: ... but there's probably enough counterexamples to that, so... "not really" |
| 11:26.20 | EdePopede | something like this, Haohmaru? https://itsfoss.com/linux-commands-cheat-sheets/ |
| 11:27.27 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.33 | Haohmaru | holy sh*t, EdePopede that webpage almost broke my firefox |
| 11:27.41 | EdePopede | ayekat: thought about it in the past, i had the impression that *commands* are (mostly) verbs while programs are nouns. as in 'write' $text vs. 'write' and then do sth to open and save files |
| 11:27.44 | twanny796 | got to go |
| 11:27.45 | EdePopede | huh |
| 11:28.10 | Haohmaru | is it digging bitcoins or something |
| 11:28.19 | EdePopede | Haohmaru: what happened? is it overloaded? no problems here, maybe it is noscript |
| 11:28.27 | EdePopede | hm lemme se |
| 11:28.46 | ayekat | EdePopede: well, there's plenty of commands that are nouns themselves, but accept an "action" argument that is typically a verb - see git, docker, any of the *ctl commands, ... |
| 11:28.47 | Haohmaru | both cpu cores maxed out, i can barely scroll on it |
| 11:29.04 | EdePopede | omg, 20+ css files right from the start |
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| 11:29.56 | EdePopede | ayekat: i'd put those into the 2nd group, they don't have a gui afaik, but they are their own infrastructure, so they really *could* have one |
| 11:29.57 | Haohmaru | i know nothing about webdev, but those people should be jailed |
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| 11:31.01 | EdePopede | Haohmaru: got it, it's wordpress :P |
| 11:31.46 | pasiz | yes, my umatrix blocked 17 javascripts, no speed issues thou |
| 11:31.51 | Haohmaru | the page probably "runs fine" on a latest gaming-grade setup with overclocked threadripper (or whatever) |
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| 11:32.13 | EdePopede | Haohmaru, welcome to the club :D |
| 11:32.22 | EdePopede | just what i say for years |
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| 11:32.37 | Haohmaru | yeah it's only getting worse.. the world wide web i mean |
| 11:32.42 | jelly | Bushmills: wtf is molly-guard |
| 11:32.47 | ayekat | EdePopede: I don't think it's related to whether it's got a GUI or not, but rather a matter of complexity - either it's a tool that does just one thing, or a tool that can do many different (sub-)things |
| 11:32.57 | pasiz | i think we need gopher back |
| 11:33.20 | pasiz | :) |
| 11:33.25 | Bushmills | prompting for host name before reboot, to prevent rebooting the wrong machine |
| 11:33.28 | GenTooMan | as you know people have issues with pip mine is a bit more frustrating so I put http://paste.debian.net/1096799/ this up and hopefully someone can clue me in what is wrong, I have not touched pip this is the way it's been |
| 11:34.07 | ayekat | EdePopede: imagemagick is probably a good example for something that, if it was written in this day and age, would have `imagemagick convert ...` or `imagemagick mogrify ...` in order not to pollute the namespace |
| 11:34.12 | EdePopede | ayekat: yea. things you typed in the shell usually used to start nice tools doing one simple job in the past, if not there was some curses or at least a line interface |
| 11:34.32 | Bushmills | avoiding the "oops, that was the ssh login" embarrassment |
| 11:34.36 | wwilliam | is there a setting in vsftpd that would not allow a user to ssh into the box? |
| 11:35.04 | Bushmills | or, "oops, that 'wasn't* .." |
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| 11:35.29 | nvz | is there a working method in Debian 10 for making sysfs settings persistent? both sysctl and systool seem to not work i.e. /etc/sysctl.conf /etc/sysfs.conf |
| 11:35.40 | EdePopede | the alternative to it (iirc it came up because of licensing questions) has exactly this design, but only optionally. ah, graphicsmagick or so. type `gm` and it lists the commands (single tools) available. always missed this in IM, never could remember all the tools or even which i'd need for the task |
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| 11:36.18 | z8z | No more Eclipse package in debian 10? D: |
| 11:36.22 | pasiz | nvz: what are you trying to set? |
| 11:36.41 | nvz | pasiz: in this case, hardware settings for trackpoint |
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| 11:38.23 | ayekat | EdePopede: yeah - I think commands like `convert`, `display`, `identify`, `import`, `stream`, ... are not exactly very specific, and should better be grouped together under a common first-level command |
| 11:38.27 | pasiz | could you make udev rule for it |
| 11:38.37 | ayekat | but legacy etc. - those commands are likely going to stick around now |
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| 11:39.00 | nvz | pasiz: perhaps. or just make a custom service that calls a custom script |
| 11:39.15 | pasiz | ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="input", ATTR{name}=="TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint", ATTR{device/sensitivity}="240", ATTR{device/press_to_select}="1" |
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| 11:39.20 | pasiz | from my lenovo |
| 11:39.32 | pasiz | if sensitivity is your issue |
| 11:39.37 | nvz | the issue with these existing methods is they all seem to assume the stuff will be in the same location |
| 11:39.46 | nvz | and thats a false assumption :P |
| 11:39.53 | nvz | you have to query udev to find it |
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| 11:40.28 | pasiz | nvz: i don't follow you completely, is your trackpoint name changing from boot to boot |
| 11:40.33 | nvz | pasiz: that sounds like the best method.. for me I just set the drift but I wrote a tool to configure this stuff and the persistence is the only thing its lacking |
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| 11:41.57 | EdePopede | ayekat: i'm still happy that i put my fingers on linux during the days of boot and root disks. i think there were less files in /bin than nowadays entries in DE menus. util-linux, gnu coreutils, bsd-utils, and you had most of them. no fancy DE, no internet, but manpages being a real alternative. |
| 11:42.46 | nvz | pasiz: http://paste.debian.net/1096801/ fwiw.. a user asked in here about a simple way to configure this stuff, I had a one-liner script I used to set the drift, but this should work to set any/all setings on any/all trackpoints I just wasnt sure which method to use for writing the settings persistently.. the udev method makes sense since I have to query udev to be sure of the path to the device on any given |
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| 11:42.52 | nvz | boot anyhow |
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| 11:44.18 | Sepultura | Is it correct that wchar_t has different sizes in Linux and Windows? |
| 11:44.37 | nvz | thats more a question for a programming channel |
| 11:45.23 | nvz | like ##c for example |
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| 11:45.38 | pasiz | Sepultura: depends on compiler and linker |
| 11:45.51 | Habbie | it does not depend on the linker |
| 11:47.09 | EdePopede | years, actually decades ago i tracked down Borland's NULL and int. the only thing it didn't depend on was the day of week of build time, but that was all. |
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| 11:53.28 | brutser | hi, i made a bootable usb with debian 10 netinst, but now i have much unused space on the device and i wanted to use that, but when creating a partition with the Free space, i get an error: Start sector 10240 out of range. How can I fix this? |
| 11:54.16 | brutser | I created the usb flash drive with: dd if=debian-10.0.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M status=progress oflag=sync |
| 11:54.39 | brutser | it has 2 partitions created |
| 11:55.13 | nvz | and uses them both I believe |
| 11:55.29 | brutser | nvz: one is for EFI i can see |
| 11:55.37 | brutser | and then i have Free space left after that |
| 11:55.46 | Habbie | brutser, how are you trying to make the extra partition? |
| 11:55.51 | brutser | but i just create a new partition with cfdisk |
| 11:55.55 | brutser | Habbie ^ |
| 11:56.02 | Habbie | show us please |
| 11:56.11 | nvz | I dont think its free space.. |
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| 11:56.53 | brutser | Habbie: like a screenshot? |
| 11:56.59 | Habbie | ok |
| 11:57.02 | Habbie | i have reproduced your issue |
| 11:57.16 | brutser | yes it's relatively simple to reproduce |
| 11:57.45 | Habbie | fdisk has no trouble |
| 11:57.59 | Habbie | might be a cfdisk bug |
| 11:58.15 | brutser | ok let me try that |
| 11:58.33 | Habbie | Warning! Main partition table overlaps the first partition by 64 blocks! |
| 11:58.40 | Habbie | i'm not sure this image wants to be edited though |
| 11:58.43 | Habbie | (that's from gdisk) |
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| 11:59.29 | brutser | Habbie: yes works fine |
| 11:59.34 | nvz | I'm pretty sure what you get with writing a debian ISO to a device is not your standard partition/filesystem setup though I dont have one here to test |
| 11:59.50 | brutser | seems cfdisk is assuming last sector is wrong and it tries overwrite part of the debian partition |
| 11:59.55 | brutser | and then stops |
| 12:00.01 | brutser | fdisk know where is last sector |
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| 12:01.30 | brutser | Habbie: ok, so maybe i should not put important data on the new partition then? i just find it waste of space, the usb has 64GB data and netinst is using ~400M |
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| 12:04.03 | humpled | but how long do you need the installer around? and what do you need the usb for in the meantime? |
| 12:04.10 | z8z | Which IDE you guys use for C++ development? |
| 12:04.31 | Abdullah | vim |
| 12:04.58 | oiaohm | brutser: the iso hybrid format used by installation ISO yes works on USB drives but partitioning is strange. |
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| 12:05.30 | Habbie | brutser, i have no advice to give |
| 12:05.38 | Habbie | brutser, other than 'maybe you have an 128M stick lying in a drawer somewhere' |
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| 12:06.45 | brutser | oiaohm: yes the EFI partition (2nd partition) those sectors are within the first partition's sectors < that's why cfdisk assume to continue after that, but it should continue the sector after the 1st partition, rather than the 2nd |
| 12:07.01 | brutser | kind of complicated to say lol |
| 12:08.29 | mallxs | is there a drawing or a read of the layering of x11 / wayland / gdm / systemd ? |
| 12:08.45 | oiaohm | brutser: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s03.html.en it does pay to read the manual. "4.3.3. Manually copying files to the USB stick â the flexible way" |
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| 12:10.19 | humpled | jessie tho |
| 12:10.32 | kreyren | why can't i modprobe nvidia on debian? http://ix.io/1SOA |
| 12:10.40 | kreyren | swears if you sent him on #debian-next he's going to kill |
| 12:11.13 | brutser | oiaohm: ok that's a nice find, thx |
| 12:11.59 | kreyren | nwm solved |
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| 12:13.09 | jelly | kreyren: would you prefer next time you ask in here about an issue on your frankendebian, just getting muted instead? |
| 12:13.52 | kreyren | jelly, it's not franken now it's just tempfs mounted root running stable/testing |
| 12:14.35 | jelly | well, "stable/testing" would not be supported in #debian |
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| 12:15.22 | jelly | !ask |
| 12:15.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 12:15.23 | jelly | ^ |
| 12:16.08 | kreyren | jelly, meh fine.. OFTC just triggers me since it says that i'm identified while i'm not https://i.imgur.com/5DGjbDT.png |
| 12:16.19 | kreyren | i feel like it's disconnecting me on random |
| 12:17.06 | kreyren | and i'm missing answers then -.- |
| 12:17.08 | jelly | it disconnects my client too often as well |
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| 12:17.43 | kreyren | ~~move it on freenode~~ |
| 12:17.53 | humpled | you want to kill and you're triggered? |
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| 12:18.02 | humpled | mate, chill |
| 12:18.09 | kreyren | humpled, because OFTC is abomination |
| 12:18.12 | jelly | kreyren: that probably won't happen |
| 12:18.49 | oiaohm | brutser: sorry I gave you the old manual link https://d-i.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch04s03.html I don't think the directions are different. |
| 12:19.11 | kreyren | or at least someone fix those disconnects or output a msg that i was disconnected or something i can't literally fix anything on #debian-next cause of this since i'm not getting the answers most of the time |
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| 12:20.46 | jelly | kreyren: your client should tell you you're disconnect, and you can't join a channel |
| 12:21.20 | kreyren | jelly, nope it just logs me out and it's impossible to tell since it allows me to sent messages like nothing happend |
| 12:21.29 | kreyren | no msg or anything |
| 12:21.47 | z8z | Why the Eclipse package has been removed from Debian 10? Any specific reason? |
| 12:21.52 | kreyren | or just let me DoS it by sending /ns identify 1234 ever second *shrug* |
| 12:22.30 | themill | z8z: it's basically unmaintainable so everyone gave up |
| 12:22.38 | kreyren | and #debian usually knows better about debian-testing then #debian-next >.> |
| 12:22.50 | dvs | z8z, it's tied to Java 8, from what I heard. |
| 12:22.59 | themill | kreyren: maybe try asking questions that actually have answers and perhaps ask about systems that people are willing to touch at all |
| 12:23.10 | jelly | kreyren: your irc client is weird, try a different one |
| 12:23.22 | kreyren | jelly, using hexchat same issue on irssi |
| 12:23.37 | kreyren | themill, meh :c |
| 12:24.39 | z8z | themill: I see... thanks for the answer. Any place i can check in detail for the reason? Or you have a short understandable explanaion about how is "unmaintainable"? |
| 12:25.03 | kreyren | themill, afaik it has answer assuming that it seems to be issue with debian packaging nvidia on this configuration |
| 12:25.09 | kreyren | i dont have this issue on LFS |
| 12:25.22 | themill | kreyren: that's nice; that doesn't mean anyone wants to touch your mess |
| 12:25.49 | kreyren | themill, it's literally debian livedvd with testing repositories.. |
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| 12:26.15 | themill | Which is an unsupportable thing |
| 12:26.37 | themill | z8z: it is tied to particular versions of so many libraries and they're all vendored into the tarball (as is common over in java-land but not compatible with any linux distro) |
| 12:27.22 | kreyren | themill, meh fine -.- |
| 12:28.40 | z8z | themill: thank you for the explanation. You suggest to install from the PPA or change the IDE? Whichi is the best supported by debian for C++? |
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| 12:29.02 | Insanity_ | z8z looking for an IDE for C++? |
| 12:29.18 | z8z | Insanity_: Ye researching for the best solid and long term one |
| 12:29.26 | Insanity_ | try CLion perhaps |
| 12:29.39 | kreyren | is installing nvidia-driver the LFS way then -.- |
| 12:29.42 | z8z | Insanity_: I do that because i was not so happy with Eclipse in the end |
| 12:29.44 | Haohmaru | Code::Blocks ;P~ |
| 12:29.57 | Insanity_ | I have ran Jetbrains IDEs under Debian (IntelliJ) without issue. IntelliJ can also be used for C/C++ with plugins and it's basically the same as CLion at that point |
| 12:30.10 | Insanity_ | not sure if CLion has a community edition but IntelliJ does for sure, and can be used |
| 12:30.13 | z8z | Ye Code::Blocks seems the most suggested statistically speaking |
| 12:30.34 | Haohmaru | it's very configurable and resource conservative |
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| 12:30.56 | Insanity_ | Or vim + plugins. Just sayin' |
| 12:31.05 | Haohmaru | vim is for h4x0rz |
| 12:31.30 | Insanity_ | vim ftw D: But I've not used it with C++ so can't say for how good it'll be with that stack |
| 12:32.05 | z8z | Insanity_: I tried but code refactoring and some autocompletion stuff seems really uncomfortable |
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| 12:32.20 | Insanity_ | Not sure if that's about vim or clion. Could be either :D |
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| 12:33.25 | z8z | Not sure you can even comfortably debug c++ containers with those. Not sure about Code::Blocks either tho :| |
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| 12:33.46 | Haohmaru | C::B has gdb "integration" or however you call it |
| 12:34.01 | z8z | Ye but how about containers debugging |
| 12:34.06 | BazookaTooth | community editions are only pycharm and intellij btw |
| 12:34.08 | Haohmaru | dafuq is a container |
| 12:34.11 | z8z | Have you tried if it's properly working? |
| 12:34.20 | mureena | container is basically capsulated cancer |
| 12:34.20 | z8z | lmao |
| 12:34.26 | Haohmaru | do you mean C++ containers? |
| 12:34.36 | z8z | ye |
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| 12:35.12 | Haohmaru | well, i mostly code on 8bit microcontrollers where i don't have std:: nor stl stuff |
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| 12:35.25 | z8z | Ok i understand xD |
| 12:35.43 | Haohmaru | i remember in the past when i coded on normal PC, strings contain weird data inside, kinda not funny to debug, not sure if things have changed since then |
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| 12:36.10 | z8z | Well recent versions of c++ are getting weird indeed |
| 12:36.31 | Insanity_ | BazookaTooth: Woops, could be. But you can use plugins in IntelliJ for C++ support. :) |
| 12:36.45 | BazookaTooth | yep |
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| 12:37.24 | Andy9 | hello :) |
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| 12:38.44 | z8z | wtf Debian 10 released now with codeblocks version 16 when 17 is out since 2 years? D: |
| 12:39.08 | Andy9 | which player can play files from other machines on lan? |
| 12:39.39 | z8z | Andy9: vlc? |
| 12:39.47 | Andy9 | ok thx |
| 12:40.15 | mureena | z8z: http://wiki.codeblocks.org/index.php/Installing_Code::Blocks --> https://apt.jenslody.de/ usually someone _always_ maintains their own repos of fresh packages |
| 12:40.39 | z8z | Andy9: Or you can mount the newwork resource in a linux folder, then any player works |
| 12:41.08 | mureena | There's always the great Emby <3 https://emby.media/ |
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| 12:42.34 | Andy9 | z8z yeah i fugured that, but i would have to set up automounting first and i'm too noob to linux atm ;) |
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| 12:43.22 | z8z | Andy9: do a script without automounting so you can manually choose when to mount |
| 12:43.27 | oiaohm | z8z: mureena: https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.codeblocks.codeblocks normally I would not recommend third party repository when I can work around the problem with a flatpak. |
| 12:43.32 | Andy9 | mureena thx, i go with vlc for now since its most likely not much diff than the one on windoze |
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| 12:43.55 | z8z | oiaohm: Ye i only trust the debian guys so i'll stick with 16 xD |
| 12:46.05 | Andy9 | there's few packages for vlc not auto-selected for installation; i.e. vlc-plugin-access-extra with a generic description about vlc only, but it's name suggests it has something to do with accessing files - should i get those as well? |
| 12:46.20 | oiaohm | z8z: I trust flatpaks to install without stuffing up other installed programs in the process. I have not had that happen perfectly with third party apt repositories in the past. |
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| 12:47.05 | z8z | Andy9: Ye do et! |
| 12:47.12 | Andy9 | lol ok :) |
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| 12:49.57 | Andy9 | didnt work :( |
| 12:50.02 | z8z | rofl |
| 12:50.35 | z8z | Mount the damn network filesystem and then play from a comfortable local folder? xD |
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| 12:50.42 | Andy9 | vlc can't open files on lan either, works only when when i copy files to local drive same as other players |
| 12:50.53 | Andy9 | yeah i guess thats the reason |
| 12:51.13 | z8z | Well no that should not be the reason but why bother? |
| 12:51.29 | darxmurf | hi |
| 12:51.35 | z8z | Mounting the FS is just more comfortable and functional |
| 12:52.13 | Andy9 | but the share is mounted atm - so why it cant play? |
| 12:52.25 | Andy9 | VLC is unable to open the MRL 'smb://m-2/audio1/%5BFLAC%5D/Pink%20Floyd%20-%201979%20-%20The%20Wall%20(LP)%5BFLAC%5D/Pink%20Floyd%20-%201979%20-%20The%20Wall%20%5BLP%5D%20-%20A01%20-%20In%20the%20Flesh%C2%BF.flac'. Check the log for details. |
| 12:52.35 | darxmurf | is it possible to launch a GUI app over SSH but installed on a server without X installed? |
| 12:52.53 | z8z | that is not a mounted fs |
| 12:53.15 | z8z | You are using the protocol directly. Which should still work with vlc |
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| 12:53.44 | z8z | Mount the smbfs in a folder and just play |
| 12:53.53 | Andy9 | i thought i mounted it, it created a shortcut on my desktop |
| 12:54.37 | z8z | you see the smb:// |
| 12:54.40 | deepy | darxmurf: x forwarding |
| 12:54.44 | z8z | that's using the protocol |
| 12:54.58 | deepy | it's super-slow but works |
| 12:55.05 | Andy9 | when i open thunar i see it listed under network and has button to unmount |
| 12:56.18 | z8z | just open the terminal |
| 12:56.28 | z8z | install the smbfs package |
| 12:56.36 | z8z | (if not already installed) |
| 12:56.43 | Andy9 | i did yesterday |
| 12:57.10 | Andy9 | b ecause i couldnt see any lan machines then i found samba wasnt inst |
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| 12:57.33 | z8z | smbfs is not the same as sambaclient tho |
| 12:57.36 | darxmurf | deepy: yep but you need to have X installed on the server itself and a windows manager isn't it ? |
| 12:57.43 | z8z | You have the smbfs? |
| 12:57.55 | Andy9 | ic checking in synaptic is it there |
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| 12:58.44 | darxmurf | deepy: I already use ssh -X with this machine but the OS is old and need to be reinstalled. At the moment there is a GNOME installed but the idea was to kick out all graphical stuff to keep a light system and run the app via ssh -X |
| 12:59.18 | Andy9 | z8z: smbfs doesnt show up in synaptic when i search for it |
| 12:59.26 | atralheaven | Hi, how can I save the last 1MB of a stream (which is output of a command) to a file? I want to have the last 1MB of that stream saved, nothing more |
| 12:59.28 | Andy9 | i mean it's not there at all |
| 12:59.40 | deepy | darxmurf: with X forwarding you'd need X running on the client |
| 12:59.47 | z8z | open the terminal and login as root |
| 12:59.51 | Andy9 | search for smbfs brings "smb4k" only |
| 13:00.03 | z8z | then -> apt-get install smbfs |
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| 13:00.32 | BazookaTooth | eh? wasn't thunar working when you left yesterday? |
| 13:01.38 | darxmurf | deepy: thanks, I'll do that then ! |
| 13:01.41 | Andy9 | z8z: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) / E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), is another process using it? |
| 13:01.53 | z8z | you didnt login as root |
| 13:02.01 | z8z | "su root" |
| 13:02.13 | z8z | oh |
| 13:02.14 | BazookaTooth | and close synaptic when using apt-get |
| 13:02.16 | z8z | close synaptic |
| 13:02.20 | Andy9 | i am as root |
| 13:02.20 | z8z | ye xD |
| 13:02.23 | Andy9 | ah |
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| 13:02.34 | Andy9 | right, synaptic was on |
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| 13:04.10 | Andy9 | ... / Package smbfs is not available, but is referred to by another package. / This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source / However the following packages replace it: / cifs-utils |
| 13:04.33 | z8z | ye install that |
| 13:04.33 | Andy9 | so should i get that one? |
| 13:04.37 | Andy9 | ok |
| 13:04.45 | z8z | didnt remember they put all together |
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| 13:05.02 | Habbie | atralheaven, tail -c ... |
| 13:05.41 | Andy9 | z8z done, seems installed. Gonna try playin something off lan |
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| 13:06.12 | z8z | not sure if the GUIs automatically mount stuff |
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| 13:06.23 | z8z | if not.... from the terminal as root |
| 13:06.36 | Andy9 | no dice :) same problem in vlc |
| 13:06.37 | z8z | mount -t smbfs -o username=youusername,password=yourpassword //pcname/c$ /mnt/thefolderiwanttomountin |
| 13:07.08 | BazookaTooth | thunar has gvfs-smb in the backends package so |
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| 13:07.26 | z8z | thefolderiwanttomountin folder must be created first |
| 13:08.14 | z8z | the example i gave is to mount the whole C drive.... change it with the right path to the share |
| 13:08.34 | anddam | is creating a backport from stable to oldstable akin to simple sid backport factoid? |
| 13:08.34 | z8z | pcname can be the IP address |
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| 13:08.55 | anddam | with the exception that I would be adding a buster deb-src line rather than sid's |
| 13:09.00 | Andy9 | z8z so thefolderiwanttomountin should be like /Music-on-Box2 or do i have to give it a full path, like /user/desktop/Music-on-Box2 ? |
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| 13:10.12 | z8z | Andy9: can be any folder but the convention is to create it in /mnt/ under linux |
| 13:10.24 | z8z | so like /mnt/mymusicshare |
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| 13:10.33 | Andy9 | oh ic, then just create shortcut to it on desktop? |
| 13:10.39 | z8z | Ye |
| 13:10.53 | z8z | then it's just like a physical folder |
| 13:11.11 | humpled | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.17 | humpled | mpv plays |
| 13:11.43 | brutser | oiaohm: i did everything according to https://d-i.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch04s03.html < but now i copied the .iso to the partition, but how do i make it load on boot? |
| 13:12.26 | Andy9 | humpled mpv is the player name? |
| 13:12.35 | Bushmills | There's also autofs, which can mount shares, exports and specified devices on demand, when accessing them. That can mount Windows shares too |
| 13:12.50 | Andy9 | so many options :) |
| 13:13.04 | Bushmills | Support for underlying file system is still needed, though. |
| 13:13.08 | humpled | vlc works too |
| 13:13.26 | wwilliam | how do i make an user every time it creates dir or files to be own by him and a group? |
| 13:13.28 | z8z | Once you mounted you can use any player |
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| 13:13.39 | brutser | oiaohm: now when booting it says: Booting from Hard Disk... MBR FA: but after that it does not continue |
| 13:14.09 | Andy9 | humpled: when i open the share in thunar and click on selected file i get this: Your input can't be opened: |
| 13:14.09 | Andy9 | VLC is unable to open the MRL 'smb://m-2/audio1/%5BFLAC%5D/Pink%20Floyd%20-%201987%20-%20A%20Momentary%20Lapse%20of%20Reason%20(2011%20ReMaster)%5BFLAC%5D/Pink%20Floyd%20-%201987%20-%20A%20Momentary%20Lapse%20of%20Reason%20-%2001%20-%20Signs%20of%20Life.flac'. Check the log for details. |
| 13:14.16 | wwilliam | i have a user that every time it creates somethis is owner:users i wanted to be owners:newgroup |
| 13:14.25 | wwilliam | everytime. |
| 13:14.26 | Bushmills | wwilliam, a user can only create dirs when he exists already |
| 13:14.33 | z8z | Andy9 can you access the folder regardless of the player? |
| 13:14.37 | Andy9 | yes |
| 13:14.48 | z8z | Can you access the /mnt/fsfjasldkfjsfjkslfksdfjk folder you just mounted? |
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| 13:14.50 | atralheaven | Habbie: I tried that, it seems it doesn't work, what I want to do is this: youtube-dl -f 91 'youtube link of a live stream' -o - | tail -c 1000000 > tmp, and then give the saved file to a player on another machine (which doesn't have access to youtube) |
| 13:14.57 | z8z | Can you see audio files? |
| 13:15.08 | Andy9 | z8z i dont understand |
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| 13:15.27 | Bushmills | wwilliam, man newgroup |
| 13:15.35 | wwilliam | Thanks |
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| 13:16.13 | Bushmills | Or put user into that group as his default group |
| 13:16.17 | z8z | After you mounted the SMB filesystem into that folder, that folder should contain all the files from that network share |
| 13:16.21 | Andy9 | z8z i open Thunar -> below under "network' i see this share -> click on it -> see all files there ; then when i click on file i get that error as pasted |
| 13:16.34 | z8z | No if you mounted you dont use the network anymore |
| 13:16.41 | z8z | The underlying system does that |
| 13:16.50 | Andy9 | im really confused atm :( |
| 13:16.56 | wwilliam | Bushmills: change the Primary group? |
| 13:17.14 | z8z | first you mount that SMB network share into that folder |
| 13:17.16 | Bushmills | Mounting as in, looks like a directory. |
| 13:17.37 | Andy9 | how do i paste screenshot? |
| 13:17.40 | Bushmills | Otherwise, from thunar, only thunar sees it |
| 13:18.01 | Bushmills | wwilliam, yes. Of that user. |
| 13:18.05 | z8z | Did you run that command from the terminal? |
| 13:18.07 | z8z | did it work? |
| 13:18.09 | Andy9 | ah i understand now, thunar see it for itself |
| 13:18.26 | ncrowl | question: why do I have binarys in "var/log/lastlog" (it freezes my colortail script)??? |
| 13:18.39 | Bushmills | Yes. As a client in its own right |
| 13:18.40 | Andy9 | z8z doing it now, that command require me to first write it in notepad lol |
| 13:18.54 | z8z | lmao ok |
| 13:18.55 | Bushmills | Mounting is system wide. |
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| 13:20.01 | atralheaven | Habbie: "youtube-dl -f 91 URL -o - | cvlc --no-video -" works, but I need to save the last 1MB of it to a file, so I can load it on the other machine |
| 13:20.04 | Andy9 | 1st problem: i cant create new folder in /mnt |
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| 13:20.22 | z8z | You need to be root |
| 13:21.07 | Andy9 | ic, terminal again :) so whats the cmd? i guess its not "mkdir /mnt/AudioShare" ? ;) |
| 13:21.16 | z8z | ye is that |
| 13:21.22 | Andy9 | it is? wow lol |
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| 13:23.07 | z8z | ncrowl: wut? |
| 13:24.41 | ncrowl | z8z: test yourself, all other files in that folder is readable /var/log , but not the file "lastlog" (messes up a colortail script I running) |
| 13:25.08 | Andy9 | damn :( -> mount: /mnt/Audio1: unknown filesystem type 'smbfs'. |
| 13:25.24 | z8z | Andy9: :| |
| 13:26.38 | towo^work | Andy9, the fs is cifs, not smbfs |
| 13:27.05 | Andy9 | ah right ok tryin again |
| 13:27.53 | brutser | guys, im trying to follow this guide: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s03.html.en - section 4.3.3 , now i have created syslinux.cfg with the bare minimum, but i want it to obviously start the debian installer, so how do i continue from there? it's not clear to me |
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| 13:28.20 | humpled | ncrowl: you read that file with the lastlog command |
| 13:29.03 | brutser | about the manual link above, correction: https://d-i.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch04s03.html < the other one is for jessie |
| 13:29.12 | Andy9 | cmd errors with machine name (mount error: could not resolve address for M-2: Unknown error) i guess i need it's IP |
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| 13:30.07 | Andy9 | how can i list all machines on lan? |
| 13:30.25 | humpled | what does it say in syslinux.cfg and does it refer to something you've copied over? |
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| 13:30.46 | humpled | i've done this but it's quite finicky |
| 13:31.14 | humpled | once the ldlinux.sys file has been created by the syslinux command you mustn't move it |
| 13:31.16 | brutser | humpled: no, i just entered the minimum as written in the manual, i think i need to address the copied .iso some way |
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| 13:32.24 | Fox | ncrowl: lastlog is intended to be read by the 'last' command, it's always been binary file |
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| 13:32.59 | z8z | Andy9: SOrry lost the connection |
| 13:33.01 | Andy9 | also something happened - Thunar can't access that share on other machine anymore, now when i try to open it says "The file is of unknown type" ? |
| 13:33.08 | humpled | i copied all the contents of the iso including a folder that starts with a dot |
| 13:33.13 | z8z | can you try to replace smbfs with cifs? |
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| 13:33.43 | z8z | You still there? |
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| 13:34.25 | omarek | Hi, my system doesn't boot and I'm trying to repair it from a live USB. Now complains about swap partition. |
| 13:34.31 | Andy9 | z8z i did, i got: mount error: could not resolve address for M-2: Unknown error - trying to do it with IP address now |
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| 13:35.17 | Bushmills | Don't use the smb:.. URL from thunar now, instead browse the mount point |
| 13:35.35 | omarek | I get two errors: "Failed to activate swap (UUID here)" and "Swap area shorter than signature indicates" |
| 13:36.07 | omarek | I'm thinking of running 'mkswap /dev/sda2' (from a live USB). Will that solve the problem? |
| 13:36.25 | Andy9 | Bushmills: in Thunar when i click on Windows Network it doesn't show any machine now |
| 13:36.26 | omarek | I know swapon and swapoff are for use on a system you're currently running. Which is not the case here. |
| 13:36.27 | Bushmills | Probably |
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| 13:37.24 | Bushmills | Andy9, that's good, I suppose: freedom |
| 13:37.30 | Andy9 | lol |
| 13:37.39 | Andy9 | more like being walled-out |
| 13:37.44 | humpled | then move nearly everything out of the isolinux folder into the syslinux folder, except the files lib*.32, which you should get from the syslinux package instead brutser |
| 13:38.24 | humpled | i also installed the mbr from the syslinux package, these things are in /usr/lib/syslinux |
| 13:38.40 | z8z | Andy9: Your mission is to succeed with 1 command line xD |
| 13:38.49 | z8z | Just 1 |
| 13:38.50 | brutser | humpled: hmm let me try to understand that, because i followed that debian guide to the T |
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| 13:39.03 | Andy9 | z8z: I think I finally guessed it's IP right, because this time i get diff error: mount error(115): Operation now in progress / Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g. man mount.cifs) |
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| 13:39.24 | Bushmills | omarek, you can run mkswap also from a running system, as long the partition isn't in use |
| 13:39.33 | Andy9 | so if mount is in progress how it could be error? |
| 13:39.45 | z8z | path is correct? |
| 13:39.50 | brutser | humpled: so the first part you are doing the same? to prepare the usb, i need create a FAT16 partition, then install-mbr /dev/sdX - correct? |
| 13:39.58 | humpled | i've also made it work with just a default autoboot, for running live |
| 13:40.24 | omarek | Bushmills: That's the problem here, I can't fully boot the system. PSU died while machine was in sleep, now it drops into "emergency mode" |
| 13:40.30 | Bushmills | Andy9 it may be a server side limit set to restrict the number of times a user can mount a share |
| 13:40.31 | Andy9 | i cant tell for sure, but i usually have my lan machines in that order (M-2 would be 192....102 and so on) |
| 13:40.39 | z8z | can you paste the commandline here? (removing your user, pass of course) |
| 13:40.39 | humpled | no i used dd if=/usr/lib/syslinux/mbr/mbr.bin of=/dev/sdX |
| 13:40.42 | omarek | Bushmills: Unless, perhaps, there are ways to run more sophisticated commands from "emergency mode" |
| 13:41.05 | omarek | humpled: WRONG. You forgot to add 'status=progress' ! |
| 13:41.11 | humpled | :þ |
| 13:41.19 | humpled | it's tiny |
| 13:41.25 | brutser | humpled: ok, let me try to do it your way, i will restart |
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| 13:41.31 | Bushmills | mkswap is sophisticated enough |
| 13:41.32 | Andy9 | z8z: mount -t cifs -o username=...,password=... //192.168.0.102/c$ /mnt/Audio1 |
| 13:41.57 | z8z | well i dont think you have permissions to mount entire drive |
| 13:42.08 | omarek | Bushmills: My plan is to keep resolving errors until the system partition boots. |
| 13:42.12 | z8z | Choose a shared folder with proper permissions |
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| 13:42.40 | Andy9 | z8z it is shared drive, entire drive is shared in windows |
| 13:42.47 | omarek | It drops into "emergency mode" right after "[OK] Reached target Network is Online" |
| 13:42.49 | Andy9 | z8z its like a folder |
| 13:42.51 | humpled | i heard it's because everything needs to be the same version, tbh i'm not sure why i had so many problems but atm it's working |
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| 13:43.00 | Bushmills | omarek, why not simply fix swap, then use it? |
| 13:43.10 | z8z | Andy9: YOu have antire drive C shared on the network? D: |
| 13:43.14 | z8z | *entire |
| 13:43.17 | omarek | Bushmills: How do I simply fix swap? |
| 13:43.32 | Andy9 | z8z in this cmd the variable "/c$" doesn't mean "C:/" drive in windows, right? |
| 13:43.44 | Bushmills | the method was given already: mkswap |
| 13:43.55 | Bushmills | Then, after, swapon |
| 13:43.58 | Andy9 | because it is not "C:" on that machine, it is different drive |
| 13:43.59 | anddam | should 'apt build-dep' install all dependencies for building and installing a package? I ran 'apt build-deb debhelper' then 'apt -b source' it and I got a missing dependency while installing the resulting deb file with dpkg https://gist.github.com/anddam/ca0c6adca5f7ff33dec21138e83f5139 |
| 13:44.09 | z8z | Ye that is the drive |
| 13:44.14 | z8z | choose the correct one then |
| 13:44.28 | brutser | humpled: ok i dd that mbr.bin - now what i do next? |
| 13:44.42 | omarek | Bushmills: And that will work from a live USB? Because swapon won't. |
| 13:44.55 | Bushmills | If that's a "recurrent problem", then something else is amiss |
| 13:45.08 | omarek | Bushmills: Rather, swapon will do not what I want. |
| 13:45.09 | Andy9 | z8z shoot... i don't know the drive letter, D or E probably... but Windows share it as //M-2/Audio1 - so shouldn't it be that name? |
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| 13:45.36 | Bushmills | swapon will activate any proper swap partition, no matter what drive it's on |
| 13:45.39 | z8z | yes |
| 13:45.54 | omarek | Bushmills: Will it activate it for the system not currently running? |
| 13:45.57 | Bushmills | (Specify partition, of course) |
| 13:46.15 | z8z | So as i expected you had a shared resource created |
| 13:46.23 | z8z | that is the path |
| 13:46.34 | Bushmills | For non-running system, you'd put that in its fstab |
| 13:46.35 | z8z | or //IP/Audio1 |
| 13:46.40 | Andy9 | z8z of coz ;) and not "c:" lol |
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| 13:47.36 | BazookaTooth | Andy9: that's just a samba convention.. you could make it drive z: if you wanted |
| 13:47.52 | Bushmills | Or you don't, and swapon manually after boot, and only then add it to fstab |
| 13:47.59 | themill | anddam: runtime dependencies and build-dependencies are different things |
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| 13:48.27 | omarek | OK, ran mkswap on the partition with the same old uuid. Rebooting to see if it helps... |
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| 13:49.11 | themill | anddam: note that debhelper is already in stretch-backports |
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| 13:52.34 | Andy9 | mount error(115): Operation now in progress |
| 13:52.51 | Andy9 | what does it mean? |
| 13:53.01 | z8z | No clue xD |
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| 13:53.08 | Andy9 | ha :) |
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| 13:53.40 | z8z | maybe best way is to try to connect first with smbclient |
| 13:53.43 | z8z | for testing first |
| 13:54.39 | Andy9 | z8z how do i list machines available on lan? |
| 13:55.02 | Andy9 | Thunar is blind now, it only see this box im on |
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| 13:55.07 | Bushmills | smbtree may be useful |
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| 13:55.15 | Andy9 | as root? |
| 13:55.22 | z8z | Bushmills: Is there such thing? :D |
| 13:55.32 | nvz | ,find smbtree |
| 13:55.36 | Bushmills | Part of smbclient |
| 13:55.37 | judd | Search for smbtree in buster/amd64: smbclient: usr/bin/smbtree; bash-completion: usr/share/bash-completion/completions/smbtree |
| 13:55.45 | Andy9 | ha ha ... well smbtree show me only this box itself |
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| 13:56.10 | Bushmills | Again with option -b |
| 13:56.35 | Andy9 | same thing :( what is option -b |
| 13:57.07 | Bushmills | Broadcast instead of consulting domain controller |
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| 13:57.39 | Bushmills | If that's the proper term |
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| 13:57.59 | Andy9 | guys, something have changed after i installed whatever samba-something package earlier, because now Thunar can't open that share, even though it is listed under 'network' |
| 13:58.01 | Bushmills | is no Windows expert |
| 13:59.08 | Andy9 | in Thunar: "Windows Network" has nothing now, no machine shows up |
| 14:00.21 | z8z | Andy9: That should have nothing to do with the package you just installed tho |
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| 14:00.35 | Andy9 | before i could open the "Audio1" share on "M-2" box (it is still as mounted? in Thunar) and copy files to this box to play, now i can't even do that: "Could not display: "smb://m-2/audio1" |
| 14:01.27 | Bushmills | Is Windows share still mounted? |
| 14:01.46 | Andy9 | yes it is as it has been for past 20yrs lol |
| 14:02.18 | Bushmills | Mounted ... Oh your Linux box |
| 14:02.34 | Andy9 | Bushmills: there is nothing wrong with my Windows boxes ;) i can access it from my phone on lan, so yes definitly it is up and running and shared |
| 14:03.18 | Bushmills | A simple "yes" or "no" would help |
| 14:03.45 | Andy9 | i have something wron on this box, most likely i didnt install or set up something in debian :( |
| 14:04.02 | z8z | Andy9: the mount command should work |
| 14:04.42 | Andy9 | how do i check if this cifs that replaced smbfs is working on my box? this is the only change in past half hr |
| 14:05.37 | z8z | Andy9: Well you can try just uninstalling it |
| 14:06.11 | z8z | But you should be able to mount the damn cifs |
| 14:06.50 | Andy9 | what is "cifs" ? virtual filesystem ? |
| 14:06.54 | Bushmills | As far we don't even know whether it's still mounted |
| 14:07.17 | Bushmills | Because Andy9 won't tell us |
| 14:07.26 | anddam | themill: oh |
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| 14:07.46 | anddam | themill: apropos the package being there |
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| 14:08.23 | z8z | Andy9: cifs is almost same as smbfs (samba filesystem) |
| 14:08.23 | Andy9 | my droid phone access that share with samba i just used total commander to access all the shares there |
| 14:08.31 | EmleyMoor | Since I did a new setup of Debian on my laptop, the top right Gnome menu no longer offers me suspend/hibernate buttons. Is there a package or extension I need? |
| 14:08.32 | Bushmills | CIFS is successor of SMB |
| 14:09.14 | z8z | oh you accessed with total commander? then you can get the precise path from total commander |
| 14:09.20 | z8z | and the mount command should work with that |
| 14:09.47 | Andy9 | however the path shown in Total Commander on Android shows: ///LAN/192.168... not ///smb/... or ///cifs/... |
| 14:09.51 | Bushmills | and also show whether it's still mounted ... |
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| 14:11.59 | z8z | Didnt understand you accessed with total commander from phone |
| 14:12.14 | anddam | themill: 'apt -t stretch-backports install debhelper' to the rescue |
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| 14:13.07 | z8z | btw Andy |
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| 14:13.15 | Andy9 | z8z my phone is Android; Total Commander on phone accessed it , the path is ///LAN/192.168. .... thats the difference "LAN" not "smb" or else |
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| 14:13.19 | z8z | the /mnt/Audio1 folder contains something? xD |
| 14:13.37 | Andy9 | z8z come on |
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| 14:13.43 | z8z | total commander LAN uses samba as underlying protocol |
| 14:13.45 | themill | anddam: :) |
| 14:14.01 | Andy9 | z8z and even if it didn't contain anything it should be mounted too, no? |
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| 14:14.34 | Andy9 | z8z (it contains most of my CD rips) |
| 14:14.35 | z8z | no if it's mounted is should contain the files |
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| 14:15.36 | neoclust | hi |
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| 14:15.49 | neoclust | do you know how to install Pate plugin for kate in debian stretch ? |
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| 14:15.56 | Andy9 | z8z yes i am playing music on my phone from that share, i don't understand why you guys insist that there is something wrong with the share itself? it is not, the share is available, the lan box is up and running. The problem is is here on my debian box |
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| 14:17.34 | z8z | ok can you try to connect directly for testing |
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| 14:17.48 | z8z | smbclient \\\\IPADDRESS\\sharename |
| 14:17.52 | Andy9 | z8z that box been holding my music and sharing it on lan for almost 20yrs, it is working. All other machines see it and access it. |
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| 14:18.21 | Andy9 | four slashes? |
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| 14:18.30 | z8z | ye |
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| 14:18.49 | z8z | cuz would be \\ but each single one has to be escaped |
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| 14:19.02 | z8z | so each \ becomes double |
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| 14:19.46 | Andy9 | do_connect: Connection to 192.168.0.100 failed (Error NT_STATUS_IO_TIMEOUT) |
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| 14:20.12 | Andy9 | no user/pass thats why imho |
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| 14:20.26 | z8z | that's an IO timeout |
| 14:20.27 | Andy9 | my boxes won't allow anonymous access |
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| 14:20.35 | z8z | sounds like more network layer |
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| 14:21.45 | anddam | themill: I'm only locked on libffcall and sigsegv |
| 14:21.49 | z8z | smbclient \\\\IPADDRESS\\sharename -U=yourusername |
| 14:21.57 | z8z | password will be asked |
| 14:22.02 | Andy9 | ic |
| 14:22.12 | anddam | themill: I figure I have to do the due diligence and build those in turn, with their respective dependencies |
| 14:22.20 | z8z | and this for both |
| 14:22.28 | z8z | smbclient \\\\IPADDRESS\\sharename -U=yourusername%yourpassword |
| 14:22.35 | anddam | themill: why isn't GNU clisp in stretch anyway? |
| 14:22.37 | z8z | if i remember well :| |
| 14:22.47 | anddam | themill: or rather "was not" |
| 14:23.03 | Andy9 | z8z same err |
| 14:23.14 | z8z | Ye |
| 14:23.16 | z8z | weird |
| 14:23.29 | z8z | I did this thing too long time ago |
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| 14:24.08 | z8z | Cant figure how to reliably throubleshoot this without being in front of the PC with issues |
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| 14:25.37 | anddam | themill: having built 'libsigsegv2-dbgsym_2.12-2_amd64.deb libsigsegv2_2.12-2_amd64.deb libsigsegv-dev_2.12-2_amd64.deb' is there a way to "smartly" install those at once? |
| 14:25.56 | anddam | I mean something like 'apt install ./<debfiles>' as opposed to 'dpkg -i' |
| 14:26.13 | Andy9 | z8z but please follow my thoughts: yesterday i installed samba, then Thunar could see my lan machines. Today i opened the share "audio1" on the lan box "M-2" in Thunar, could see all the olders n files, just couldn't play them from the share, had to copy the file first to this box. Then i came here, installed vlc, cifs, and now Thunar can't even open that share anymore - so isn't the problem somewhere with the package i installed as i |
| 14:26.13 | Andy9 | think? something has to be setup? |
| 14:27.05 | z8z | try to remove cifs |
| 14:27.11 | z8z | that's the only test you can do |
| 14:27.18 | z8z | But still is weird |
| 14:27.37 | Andy9 | whats the cmd? uninstall cifs ? |
| 14:27.48 | z8z | apt-get remove cifs-tools |
| 14:28.58 | Andy9 | E: Unable to locate package cifs-tools ,- what is this E: ? |
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| 14:30.57 | z8z | oh sorry |
| 14:30.59 | z8z | cifs-utils |
| 14:31.05 | Andy9 | ah ok |
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| 14:31.37 | Andy9 | done |
| 14:31.49 | Andy9 | it was only 273kb could have stayed here ;) |
| 14:32.01 | Andy9 | 237kb |
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| 14:33.00 | Andy9 | smbtree -b now shows the same BUT with extra line with name of my home workgroup below |
| 14:34.15 | Andy9 | WORKGROUP / my this debian box / IPC service / Printer drivers / + the extra line with just workgroup name in capitals |
| 14:34.16 | z8z | Can you try to access whatever share you can find |
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| 14:34.27 | z8z | using smbclient? |
| 14:34.29 | Andy9 | there is only this box listed |
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| 14:34.36 | z8z | oh |
| 14:34.37 | z8z | GG |
| 14:34.57 | Andy9 | i dont know am i using smb client? i typed "smbtree -b" so i would think so |
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| 14:38.13 | Andy9 | ok i had a thought; maybe problem is with the workgroup name? windows bozes use workgroup named "HOMENET" (not default "WORKGROUP"), however name of the workgroup is meaningless imho since ANdroid tablets and phones see this "HOMENET" workgroup jas "Windows Network" or just "LAN Share" (depends on the app used), so i would think it shouldn't be the problem, but then i don't know linux |
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| 14:40.44 | Andy9 | tell that samba on this debian box is trying to access workgroup named "WORKGROUP" (which would be the default on windozes), and that's where it lists this debian box, and also lists "HOMENET" workgroup (but just the name of workgroup, not the windows boxes) |
| 14:41.16 | Andy9 | i don't know am i clear |
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| 14:41.58 | Andy9 | whats the paste bin address to paste screenshot of terminal? |
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| 14:42.49 | anddam | Andy9: is that considered a "paste"? |
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| 14:43.29 | Andy9 | with hot sauce |
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| 14:44.28 | jelly | Andy9: uh, imgur.com ? |
| 14:44.32 | jelly | !paste |
| 14:44.32 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:44.39 | Fox | why would you screenshoot your terminal ? can't you copy/paste the test into http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 14:45.07 | jelly | Andy9: text pastes are preferable if possible. |
| 14:45.08 | Andy9 | i dont have acct on imgur and rather dont create new one just to post a screenshot :) |
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| 14:45.41 | jelly | then that other one. |
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| 14:46.05 | jelly | I wasn't aware upload to imgur required an account, sorry |
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| 14:46.53 | greycat | I don't think it does. |
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| 14:48.01 | metbsd | debian is pretty good |
| 14:48.39 | greycat | https://imgur.com/a/tXkb0wl |
| 14:48.44 | greycat | without an account |
| 14:49.13 | Andy9 | jelly: Daily paste limit reached, Please login to increase your paste limit :( |
| 14:49.38 | Andy9 | (and no i didnt use it at all) |
| 14:50.52 | jelly | your ip goes around |
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| 14:51.24 | Andy9 | yea |
| 14:52.08 | Andy9 | pastebin.to also opened up pop-under window, with some shit lol |
| 14:52.15 | ratrace | holy cow, just realized dbus is no longer needed for systemd? debootstrap'ed buster has no dbus, minimal server installation works just fine. |
| 14:52.48 | greycat | There's a recent debian-user thread about dbus on servers. |
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| 14:53.28 | greycat | Not that there's much in it worth reading... basically, "it depends" and "nobody knows what the hell is going on". |
| 14:53.42 | ratrace | heh |
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| 14:54.20 | cbthree | what is the command that i need to issue to get all information related to my computer's microSD card reader? |
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| 14:55.28 | nvz | cbthree: there are a lot of commands that could possibly give you information about that.. |
| 14:55.45 | nvz | what information, and what bus its on are the qualifiers |
| 14:56.17 | nvz | cbthree: dmesg, lsusb, udevadm, lsblk, etc.. could all give you info on such things |
| 14:57.55 | cbthree | nvz, lsusb does not give any info on my computer microSD reader |
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| 14:59.18 | nvz | cbthree: lsusb doesn't give me any info about your computer's microSD reader either.. or mine for that matter |
| 14:59.51 | nvz | because mine is on the pci bus 02:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTS5227 PCI Express Card Reader (rev 01) |
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| 15:00.35 | cbthree | nvz, what is the command you issued to get that info? |
| 15:00.43 | nvz | cbthree: lspci |
| 15:00.52 | nvz | cbthree: lspci -nn would be better |
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| 15:01.51 | cbthree | nvz, is your card reader an external device or your computer' s built-in one? |
| 15:02.09 | nvz | cbthree: Lenovo Thinkpad T440, build in reader |
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| 15:02.48 | nvz | would appear my camera and its sensors are on USB, but the card reader is on pci |
| 15:03.06 | nvz | I've never used the card reader on this machine |
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| 15:03.23 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 15:03.44 | nvz | not yet, but we're working on it |
| 15:04.10 | johnfg | If this isn't a question to be answered here, please direct me where to go (but my server in question is apache2 on debian stretch). |
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| 15:04.40 | cbthree | nvz, https://paste.debian.net/1096833/ |
| 15:05.00 | johnfg | how do I do a redirect from http to https in my .htaccess file? |
| 15:05.19 | nvz | cbthree: yes, you apparently have a pci card reader too |
| 15:05.36 | jelly | johnfg: the same as in the VirtualHost definition? |
| 15:05.42 | nvz | cbthree: lines 7-8 |
| 15:06.05 | nvz | ,pciid 8086:2296 |
| 15:06.06 | judd | [8086:2296] is 'Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series SD Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'sdhci-pci', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2296 |
| 15:06.12 | nvz | ,pciid 8086:2294 |
| 15:06.13 | judd | [8086:2294] is 'Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Series MMC Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'sdhci-pci', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2294 |
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| 15:08.43 | cbthree | My computer's built-in microSD reader only works if its is inserted *before* boot. If inserted *after*, it does not work |
| 15:09.14 | cbthree | To solve this issue i found this: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=258598 |
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| 15:10.32 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: https://letsencrypt.org/getting-started/ https://serverguy.com/security/redirect-http-to-https/ |
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| 15:12.33 | cbthree | judd, i had a look at https://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2294 but found no info on buster |
| 15:12.34 | judd | No package named 'had' was found in buster/amd64. |
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| 15:14.52 | jhutchins_wk | cbthree: Judd is our bot that accesses the Ultimate Debian Database. |
| 15:14.55 | subcool | ok.. could someone explain this. Every time i start fresh on my install. I install windows, and then debian. Every time i install debian. Windows is no longer functional. at all. |
| 15:15.15 | cbthree | jhutchins_wk, so how can i solve the issue? |
| 15:15.28 | johnfg | Got it done guys, thanks! |
| 15:15.31 | wwilliam | how do i overcome this? |
| 15:15.33 | wwilliam | fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory " |
| 15:15.35 | wwilliam | ssh |
| 15:15.53 | greycat | fix the ownership or modes for the chroot directory |
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| 15:16.02 | nvz | cbthree: you still haven't exactly stated an issue. try providing some more information like.. |
| 15:16.03 | johnfg | In my .htaccess I needed to add (as the RewriteEngine On was already set, 2 lines: |
| 15:16.04 | wwilliam | their fix |
| 15:16.18 | nvz | cbthree: sudo dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 15:16.38 | johnfg | RewriteCond %{HTTPS} off, and RewriteRule ^(.*)$ https://%{HTTP_HOST}%{REQUEST_URI} [L,R=301] |
| 15:16.39 | wwilliam | ondrwxr-xr-x 2 axatr axatr 4096 Aug 21 11:12 /jailed/home/axatr |
| 15:16.42 | greycat | This is the part where you say "Oh, yes, my chroot directory is /foo and here is the output of ls -ld /foo" |
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| 15:16.46 | johnfg | Now things are working properly. |
| 15:17.06 | greycat | wwilliam: if /jailed/home/axatr is your chroot dir, then you can clearly see it isn't owned by root. |
| 15:17.10 | nvz | cbthree: that mint forum links to a github with a workaround for a specific hardware bug.. that may or may not help you idk.. cause I know what those people had, I dont know what you have |
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| 15:17.32 | wwilliam | drwxr-xr-x 57 root root 4096 Aug 21 11:12 /jailed/home |
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| 15:17.46 | greycat | Most likely you have absolutely no idea what it means to chroot an ssh session, and you should stop trying to do it. |
| 15:18.48 | jhutchins_wk | cbthree: Unfortunately there's no real standard fro SD card readers, so it's impossible to reliably get them working in Linux. |
| 15:19.24 | jhutchins_wk | cbthree: From what I've seen, the OS doesn't see the reader as a device, it sees the card as a device once it's inserted. |
| 15:20.15 | wwilliam | ok i change tha ownership to root now trying to ssh just hangs here : |
| 15:20.16 | wwilliam | debug2: shell request accepted on channel 0 |
| 15:20.19 | cbthree | https://paste.debian.net/1096836/ |
| 15:20.23 | wwilliam | and no shell |
| 15:20.30 | wwilliam | just hangs |
| 15:20.43 | cbthree | i believe i am facing the issue as follows : https://github.com/GalliumOS/galliumos-distro/issues/486 |
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| 15:22.54 | greycat | wwilliam: a chroot is a WHOLE SYSTEM created in a subdirectory, by something like debootstrap. If you chroot an ssh session, you are saying "I want the session to begin within my debootstrapped subdirectory, rather than /". So you have your own /jail/etc and /jail/usr and /jail/etc and /jail/home and so on. A COMPLETE system. |
| 15:23.25 | cbthree | nvz, have you seen my dmesg? |
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| 15:23.45 | nvz | cbthree: yes, did you have a card inserted on this boot? |
| 15:23.53 | cbthree | yes |
| 15:24.11 | nvz | cbthree: well then the information is useless, cause it shows it working fine, as you said it would |
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| 15:24.16 | jelly | wwilliam: if there's no such complete system as greycat describes, a chrooted ssh user can use sftp to put and get remote files, but not a shell or any process |
| 15:24.16 | dvs | 2GB card? |
| 15:24.31 | greycat | wwilliam: most people who come here with questions containing "ssh" and "chroot" think that what they want is to "prevent the user from accessing the system outside of their home directory". Which may be a common and possibly even desirable goal, but ssh with chroot will not do that. Is not MEANT to do that. |
| 15:25.08 | jelly | it's very useful to have a sane protocol for users to upload files. |
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| 15:25.22 | wwilliam | well i just want to ssh to that box and yes it has vsftpd conf to jail the users but i dont wanna be jailed how to over come |
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| 15:25.26 | wwilliam | i have root |
| 15:25.27 | cbthree | nvz, but i want the microSD to work if i inserted *after* boot. what can i do? |
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| 15:25.41 | nvz | cbthree: idk, cause I dont see any problem |
| 15:25.46 | jelly | wwilliam: configure your sshd not to chroot your user. |
| 15:26.19 | jelly | wwilliam: you already know what you did to enable chroot for ssh, and should be able to change that custom setup |
| 15:26.32 | nvz | cbthree: if you want some kinda explaination, those links you provided have them.. if you want some kinda step-by-step troubleshooting help, you first have to reproduce the issue |
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| 15:27.03 | cbthree | nvz, shall i unmount the microSD card, remove it, reboot, insert it after boot and post you my dmesg? |
| 15:27.15 | nvz | cbthree: that'd be a start |
| 15:27.29 | wwilliam | Ok Thank you jelly |
| 15:27.30 | cbthree | ok, thanks. i will be back in a few minutes |
| 15:27.37 | nvz | cbthree: if you are currently facing the issue we can try resolve it, but we can't try things to resolve an issue that isnt occuring |
| 15:28.10 | jelly | wwilliam: man page for sshd_config could be a good start |
| 15:28.17 | wwilliam | OK |
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| 15:31.31 | wwilliam | That setting about the chrooting is in vsftpd.conf not on sshd.conf |
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| 15:32.06 | greycat | Then what makes you think your ssh login is chrooted in the first place? |
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| 15:33.59 | wwilliam | there is something like this in sshd.conf: |
| 15:34.01 | wwilliam | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/1d6966f2/ |
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| 15:34.17 | greycat | What program has a config file named sshd.conf ?@ |
| 15:34.34 | wwilliam | ssh |
| 15:34.56 | greycat | Not Openssh. Is is the commercial one from ssh.com? |
| 15:34.58 | wwilliam | at /etc/ssh/sshd.conf |
| 15:35.09 | anddam | I figure that would be sshd |
| 15:35.10 | wwilliam | oh openssh i meant |
| 15:35.22 | cbthree | nvz, my new dmesg (if microSD is inserted after boot) http://paste.debian.net/1096838/ |
| 15:35.26 | greycat | wwilliam: what is the ACTUAL name of the configuration file? Stop lying and stop guessing. |
| 15:36.08 | wwilliam | -rw-r----- 1 root root 4161 Jan 18 2019 /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 15:36.22 | greycat | Better. |
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| 15:37.14 | greycat | gives up trying to combine "hidden" and "plain" and opens the damned thing in lynx ... oh, I see. It's "plainh". Gods. |
| 15:37.20 | greycat | http://paste.debian.net/plainh/1d6966f2 |
| 15:37.40 | nvz | cbthree: there was a card inserted at the time? |
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| 15:38.01 | greycat | As long as you're not in either of those two groups, you shouldn't be chrooted. |
| 15:38.12 | cbthree | nvz, no |
| 15:38.42 | wwilliam | checking the other groups theres a lot |
| 15:38.47 | greycat | ... |
| 15:39.43 | wwilliam | OK |
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| 15:39.58 | wwilliam | belong to one of those groups |
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| 15:40.34 | nvz | cbthree: well there is a gpio error, which indicates a missing kernel feature |
| 15:40.37 | wwilliam | Thanks |
| 15:40.39 | wwilliam | greycat: |
| 15:41.02 | nvz | cbthree: however that message existed before.. |
| 15:41.32 | cbthree | nvz, i am a not a kernel developer, is there a solution or workaround that will allow me to use microSD card after boot? |
| 15:41.34 | nvz | cbthree: the point was to give some information about the actual issue, if you don't have a card inserted that is not working, then you are not facing an issue |
| 15:41.54 | nvz | cbthree: as far as I know you have no issue to solve or work around |
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| 15:42.21 | anddam | nvz: another satisfied customer. |
| 15:42.41 | cbthree | nvz, the dmesg that i sent you last was with the card inserted *after* boot |
| 15:42.42 | nvz | cbthree: all I can tell you if you can't reproduce the issue, and paste output with the issue occuring, is to try a newer kernel, or buy better hardware. |
| 15:43.11 | nvz | cbthree: well I asked you was there a card inserted and you said no |
| 15:44.12 | cbthree | nvz, buying is not an option, some people suggested 5.2.x but that is not available as a deb at present not even in backports. compiling a kernel is not something a newbie should do |
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| 15:45.00 | cbthree | nvz, i meant the card was not inserted at boot, it was inserted after boot and it is still inserted |
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| 15:46.32 | cbthree | cbthree, if the card is inserted after boot it is neither automounted nor can it be mounted with the command line |
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| 15:46.56 | cbthree | nvz, if the card is inserted after boot it is neither automounted nor can it be mounted with the command line |
| 15:47.11 | greycat | it could theoretically be automounted by a udev rule |
| 15:47.11 | anddam | cbthree: now you are getting somewhere |
| 15:47.36 | anddam | cbthree: what command did you use to mount the card and what is the output you got? |
| 15:47.40 | greycat | why do you claim it can't be mounted "with the command line"? |
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| 15:47.58 | greycat | sorry, anddam's question was better. |
| 15:48.02 | anddam | cbthree: that's (possibly) the actual issue nvz was asking you about |
| 15:48.31 | anddam | greycat: I tried to follow cbthree's story but all those inserted before/inserted after and the dmesg links confused me |
| 15:49.23 | nvz | cbthree: we need more information cause all dmesg is showing is the same stuff it showed before, no new errors |
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| 15:50.01 | cbthree | nvz, what new info do you want me to give you? |
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| 15:51.16 | nvz | cbthree: well lets start with what lsblk has to say |
| 15:52.11 | nvz | the kernel sees the card reader and has claimed it with the proper driver, its only complaint is failure to access the gpio, which is had before when it was working |
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| 15:53.01 | cbthree | nvz, http://paste.debian.net/1096842 |
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| 15:53.46 | nvz | ok, so the kernel knows the hw is there, its claiming it with the proper driver, but its not exposing it via the block layer |
| 15:54.15 | nvz | my next query would be to udev.. but I'm not sure how to do that with it not being attached to the block layer.. will need another way to query it |
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| 15:54.55 | cbthree | mmcblk0 is my 16GB built-in emmc "hard drive" where my OS is installed. mmcblk1 is the name of my 2GB microSD card which can only be seen if inserted before boot |
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| 15:55.41 | cbthree | nvz, how? what commands shall i issue? |
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| 15:56.23 | nvz | cbthree: if I knew, I'd have sait so.. I'm trying to figure out another way that'll work |
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| 15:57.45 | cbthree | nvz, take your time. i have to go but will be back in 30 min or so. Thanks |
| 15:59.24 | nvz | shrugs |
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| 16:28.44 | cbthree | nvz, i am back |
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| 16:43.26 | raidensnake | does anyone know why lxde doesn't boot in arm64? |
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| 16:46.41 | raidensnake | I can get lightdm but nothing else |
| 16:47.15 | soda__hobart | hey everybody, what should I do if I need a package that is not in the repos of my current release? I am using Buster, but I would like to use this package: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/xfce4-topmenu-plugin --but it is only in the Stretch repos? |
| 16:47.55 | greycat | because stretch is older, you can *try* installing the stretch package on buster, and see what happens |
| 16:48.28 | raidensnake | it will either work or break everything. |
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| 16:49.18 | cbthree | greycat, any suggestions about the microSD card issue? |
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| 16:54.19 | soda__hobart | What has to take place for it to be included in Testing or Stable? I guess testing, right? Re-packaging with the current dependencies? |
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| 17:12.38 | zetuno | hi. how do i prevent an application from altering the system volume? somehow this app (zoom) is changing not only its applicaiton volume but the main system output volume |
| 17:13.27 | jhutchins_wk | zetuno: You'll need to ask zoom support. |
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| 17:14.43 | zetuno | there's no cgroup/CAP/etc isolation for this? |
| 17:14.52 | zetuno | I have been in touch with them. they deny the problem |
| 17:15.04 | greycat | the "obvious" answer would be run run it as a user that doesn't have privileges to mess with the volume, but I'm guessing it's some sort of GUI thing and therefore you typically run it as you, the logged-in user |
| 17:15.05 | GNU\colossus | is anyone aware of a web-based application that's being developed with Debian as the primary deployment target/distribution channel? |
| 17:15.14 | GNU\colossus | (and that's available in Debian's repo :)) |
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| 17:15.52 | zetuno | surely we have more granularity than "gui or not" in permissions |
| 17:16.17 | greycat | In that case, you are the channel's expert on this thing, so you'd be better suited to find your answer than any of us. |
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| 17:18.20 | SerajewelKS | zetuno: i can think of a hack that might work depending on what audio subsystem it uses. guessing it uses ALSA but you'd have to verify with ldd/strace. |
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| 17:20.44 | SerajewelKS | if it manipulates volume by calling a libasound C API (such as snd_mixer_selem_set_playback_volume_all) then in theory you can build a C library exposing a function with an identical signature that does nothing and preload it when running zoom |
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| 17:21.26 | zetuno | SerajewelKS, linux-vdso?. theres no liba or libalsa in ldd results |
| 17:21.31 | jhutchins_wk | GNU\colossus: zoom's a proprietary group meeting app that does audio, video, desktop sharing, etc, so it needs access to the audio. |
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| 17:22.23 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: did GNU\colossus even ask about it? :) |
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| 17:22.39 | greycat | It's still excellent background information to have. |
| 17:23.00 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: actually, no. |
| 17:23.26 | SerajewelKS | zetuno: what about SDL? |
| 17:23.32 | SerajewelKS | zetuno: can you pastebin the ldd output? |
| 17:23.36 | greycat | Maybe you could write a wrapper program that stores the audio settings, calls zoom, then restores the saved settings. |
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| 17:26.16 | zetuno | SerajewelKS, ldd and dpkg -I https://pastebin.com/ZHepK3mK |
| 17:26.21 | zetuno | looks like pulse audio |
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| 17:26.54 | SerajewelKS | zetuno: hmm that's interesting |
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| 17:27.23 | SerajewelKS | zetuno: odd that ldd doesn't list it as a dependency, i wonder if it probes a few audio systems at runtime and loads whichever one it finds |
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| 17:28.02 | SerajewelKS | zetuno: if it's actually using pulseaudio APIs then you can do the same thing -- figure out the pulseaudio API that changes volume level of a sink, implement a no-op copy of that function in your own C library, and preload it in front when running zoom |
| 17:28.07 | greycat | /usr/bin/zoom might be a wrapper program that calls auxiliary binaries, or it might use dlopen() for all its A/V stuff, or it might just have statically linked all the A/V libs |
| 17:28.52 | SerajewelKS | greycat: right. the package declares a depencency on libpulse, so i'd have to think that's what's getting used eventually but it's not clear how it winds up in the process. |
| 17:28.57 | zetuno | probably dlopen instead of statically link, if it lists the dep in the dpkg |
| 17:29.01 | greycat | SerajewelKS: I'm no pulse guru for sure, but I imagine the pulse API is "send a message of the form ___ to the daemon". |
| 17:29.09 | zetuno | hmmm okay. checking the pulse api now |
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| 17:29.50 | SerajewelKS | greycat: right but the C library takes care of the IPC details, so it would be silly for them to interact with the daemon directly |
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| 17:30.13 | greycat | maybe. |
| 17:30.29 | SerajewelKS | not much different than a lot of libasound calls which probably translate more or less into reads/writes/ioctls in /dev/snd/* |
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| 17:30.55 | twanny796 | how can I extract a file from a downloaded package? |
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| 17:31.06 | SerajewelKS | twanny796: if it's a .deb then you'd use dpkg-deb |
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| 17:31.17 | greycat | twanny796: man dpkg, look at the -x option |
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| 17:32.16 | SerajewelKS | or dpkg, didn't know it had -x too |
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| 17:50.25 | GNU\colossus | will setting 'DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive' during a dist-upgrade effectively make apt-get select all default choices presented by debconf? |
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| 18:28.00 | martigan | Hope everyone is doing well today! I'f I have a sky lake processor and installed the intel-microcode from non free on a fresh install, received a bunch of errors about missing cpu firmware because I forgot to install firmware-misc so I rebooted and installed firmware-misc. Does the order I installed them in matter? |
| 18:28.29 | martigan | I'm not getting missing firmware errors on boot. |
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| 18:28.49 | greycat | The order doesn't matter. All of the firmware goes into the initramfs image, and gets loaded early in boot. |
| 18:29.08 | greycat | Same goes for the microcode. |
| 18:29.37 | Sleaker | does jsvc 1.0.x not work with java 11 or something? |
| 18:29.44 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, our old friend webmin: "In an unnerving twist, when a critical zero-day vulnerability was reported in a Unix administration tool, called Webmin" https://threatpost.com/backdoor-found-in-utility-for-linux/147581/ |
| 18:29.54 | martigan | Thanks greycat! |
| 18:30.00 | greycat | webmin still exists? |
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| 18:30.10 | Sleaker | says it can't find java home in buster with openjdk 11 installed and pointed to /usr/lib/jvm/default-java/ |
| 18:30.14 | Sleaker | man jsvc |
| 18:30.34 | cbthree | I still have not found the solution to the microSD card issue i reported. |
| 18:30.42 | Sleaker | ,v jsvc |
| 18:30.43 | judd | Package: jsvc on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.15-6+deb8u1; stretch: 1.0.15-7; bullseye: 1.0.15-8; buster: 1.0.15-8; sid: 1.0.15-8 |
| 18:31.38 | Bushmills | is thankful about webmin - it got me a job once after breaking into a bsd server which wasn't much effort because of webmin |
| 18:32.31 | greycat | !webmin |
| 18:32.32 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 18:35.00 | Bushmills | funny enough, that was not long after I got another job resulting from breaking into a Linux machine :D |
| 18:35.21 | Sleaker | uhh so.. 1.0.x doesn't support JVM 9+ |
| 18:36.13 | martigan | Is lm-sensors the recomended way to monitor CPU temp and fan speed? Is anyone using anything different? I'm getting CPU throttled warnings via dmesg but the temp shown in sensors is always right around 38c |
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| 18:36.30 | Sleaker | ,v openjdk-8-jre |
| 18:36.31 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 -- stretch: 8u212-b01-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 8u222-b10-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 8u222-b10-1~deb9u1; sid: 8u222-b10-1 |
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| 18:37.07 | Sleaker | okay.. so openjdk-8-jre isn't available on buster, and jsvc wasn't updated to 1.1.x+ so jsvc doesn't work out of the box on buster at all.... |
| 18:37.26 | Sleaker | this seems like a really bad oversight |
| 18:37.26 | greycat | sounds like someone ought to file a bug report |
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| 18:37.28 | cbthree | Has anyone here who owns a Samsung Chromebook 3 (CELES) managed to get its microsd slot working? If you insert a card *before* boot, that card shows up (automounted) and works kind of ok. If you unmount the card and reinsert it, its not automounted, you have to mount it using the command line. Moreover, if you insert the card *after* you boot it is neither recognized nor automounted and cannot be mounted using the command li |
| 18:37.28 | cbthree | ne. |
| 18:38.04 | dfcnvt | I'm having a weird problem with a browser directory -- the black dot button on the right side won't go away. https://i.imgur.com/ErW23vD.png |
| 18:38.09 | dfcnvt | Any one knows what it is? |
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| 18:38.14 | Sleaker | greycat: where should I file this? |
| 18:38.21 | greycat | !bts |
| 18:38.21 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 18:38.24 | Sleaker | thanks |
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| 18:39.03 | Sleaker | greycat: this seems like a problem of someone forgetting to include an updated version of jsvc into buster is all. should I report it onto the jsvc package? |
| 18:39.10 | Bushmills | martigan: lm-sensors offers mostly a way to read sensors, not really monitoring them. some read thermal info from /sys/somewhere, some other packages reading hardware sensors exist, and some acrtual monitoring tools depend on one or the other for accessing thermal data |
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| 18:39.43 | Bushmills | throttling may be done by your bios |
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| 18:40.06 | Bliepo | More likely the CPU/GPU itself |
| 18:40.38 | Bushmills | or that |
| 18:41.19 | Bushmills | though many BIOSses allow setting the throttling temperatures, and slowdown percentage |
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| 18:42.31 | brutser | hi, im trying to follow this guide: https://d-i.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch04s03.html < but i think i need some more configuration for the syslinux in order to boot the iso, is there someone that has done this and can help? following the guide is not enough |
| 18:42.45 | brutser | i try to do method 4.3.3 ^ |
| 18:43.56 | dfcnvt | What is that big black dot on the right side of "Files" application (Explorer Directory): As shown here --> https://i.imgur.com/ErW23vD.png |
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| 18:44.42 | Bushmills | it's called an "icon" |
| 18:44.49 | medfly | I have a very esoteric problem. I built a cross compiler on both debian 9.9 and another OS. the cross compiler fails if built on debian. Both are using GCC 7.4.0. |
| 18:44.53 | martigan | htop is a better option? I think I may have a fan issue, I've been trying to trouble shoot this for days now with no luck. It's on a new T470s I just picked up. I tried installing buster from a usb made with UNetbootin before reading it was a bad idea and thought that maybe that was part of the issue. So reinstalled with a USB made with dd, the fan kicked on right away, thought the problem was solved but |
| 18:45.00 | martigan | still getting these errors. Going to look into adjusting the throttling temp via bios now. |
| 18:45.13 | Bushmills | htop isn't meant for thermal sensors monitoring |
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| 18:45.57 | dfcnvt | Bushmills: It's certainly is -- and it's main purpose or function in pressing the button would be doing...what? |
| 18:45.58 | martigan | Just load monitoring. Sorry, reading about it now. |
| 18:46.10 | Bushmills | ah, you used it to monitor cpu load ... |
| 18:46.28 | jhutchins_wk | dfcnvt: Is there some reason you can't try it and see what happens? |
| 18:46.36 | medfly | how can I see what patches debian uses for its compiler? |
| 18:46.37 | Bushmills | for that purpose htop is useful indeed. |
| 18:46.53 | brutser | humpled: you around? |
| 18:46.58 | martigan | No, I haven't used it at all yet for anything. |
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| 18:47.17 | humpled | sorry i had to go out earlier |
| 18:47.21 | Bushmills | dfcnvt: no idea, i don't even know what program - looks like a file manager - that is |
| 18:47.33 | medfly | Found it. |
| 18:47.45 | medfly | ... why is this a 118k line diff |
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| 18:49.17 | Bushmills | from context,. i'd say "execute context function for this type of file" |
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| 18:54.35 | wroathe | The latest libmariadb-dev only seems to include a shared object. Does anyone know where I can get a libmariadb.a from? |
| 18:54.52 | cbthree | i believe i am facing *on buster* the issue as follows : https://github.com/GalliumOS/galliumos-distro/issues/486 |
| 18:55.05 | cbthree | can anyone help me overcome the issue? |
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| 18:56.30 | Sleaker | thanks greycat, sent in a report |
| 18:56.52 | Bushmills | ,v gallium |
| 18:56.53 | judd | No package named 'gallium' was found in amd64. |
| 18:57.08 | wroathe | Oh, you know what, I might be wrong about that |
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| 18:59.05 | medfly | cbthree: from the description it's "microSD card reader driver does not support card-detect" |
| 18:59.31 | Sleaker | I find it odd that no one proposed updating jsvc either :-/ |
| 18:59.42 | greycat | ,popcon jsvc |
| 18:59.43 | judd | Popcon data for jsvc: inst: 3413, vote: 1478, old: 1821, recent: 113, nofiles: 1 |
| 18:59.56 | Bushmills | martigan: there's a script in one package which changes fan duty cycle by controlling the pcm output fan is connected to by temperature. unluckily I forgot the name of the script and the package it was in. |
| 19:00.08 | Bushmills | it could actually be in lm-sensors |
| 19:00.26 | medfly | cbthree: a lot of drivers can have this issue. find if a newer linux kernel fixes it, and find which commit fixes it. if it doesn't, report to upstream. |
| 19:00.32 | medfly | ...I dont' linux much, though |
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| 19:00.36 | Bushmills | pwm ... |
| 19:00.51 | cbthree | medfly, for some reason it's just not being recognized as a hot-plug device. Someone mentioned something about udev rules |
| 19:00.57 | medfly | Ah. |
| 19:01.36 | Bushmills | martigan: fancontrol was the package |
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| 19:03.10 | deadmarshal | hi. I installed an app named adminer, it's for databases, but I can't find it in applications. and terminal says it's installed already. I can't open from terminal either |
| 19:03.45 | greycat | deadmarshal: use "dpkg -L adminer" to see the files it installed, see /usr/share/doc/adminer/* for instructions, if any |
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| 19:03.55 | Bushmills | ,info adminer |
| 19:03.56 | judd | Package adminer (web, optional) in buster/amd64: Web-based database administration tool. Version: 4.7.1-1; Size: 431.9k; Installed: 1978k; Homepage: https://www.adminer.org/ |
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| 19:04.15 | Bushmills | seems you access it by web browser |
| 19:04.24 | greycat | that's my guess too |
| 19:04.31 | martigan | Bushmills: Thank you, I had seen that package and about to dig into it after looking at adjusting throttling temps via BIOS. I would just think my fan was taking a crap but when I picked the machine up it had Win10 on it and the fan was working fine. Also when in the graphical installer the fan seems to be working fine. |
| 19:04.34 | greycat | probably something in /usr/share/doc/adminer/ will tell you how |
| 19:05.49 | nvz | cbthree: the problem is the card reader apparently uses gpio for card detection and for whatever reason the kernel is unable to use this method |
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| 19:06.56 | deadmarshal | I see it's files, but why it doesn't open? :| |
| 19:07.05 | deadmarshal | it is in /usr/share/adminer |
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| 19:11.05 | jhutchins_wk | deadmarshal: dpkg -L adminer should show you what binary was installed. |
| 19:11.18 | Bushmills | deadmarshal: what's your goal? what do you want to achieve? maybe adminer isn't the right tool for your purpose |
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| 19:11.50 | greycat | there might not BE a "binary" that you execute directly. it might be a thing that runs as a CGI script in a web browser, and you point firefox at a URL or something. |
| 19:11.57 | greycat | in a web server* |
| 19:12.21 | greycat | or it could implement its own HTTP protocol thingy, like CUPS, and then you point your browser at that. |
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| 19:13.30 | greycat | https://packages.debian.org/buster/all/adminer/filelist has nothing but php as far as the eye can see |
| 19:13.44 | Bushmills | or that |
| 19:13.45 | greycat | also /usr/share/doc/adminer/readme.txt and so on |
| 19:14.19 | greycat | but anyway, it looks like a PHP thing that is intended to be run by a web server |
| 19:14.35 | cbthree | nvz, if memory serves me well, some people have been able to solve this issue upgrading to 5.2.x. The problem is that 5.2.x is not even in backports |
| 19:14.37 | Bushmills | greycat: you have "leave" messages turned off, right? |
| 19:14.45 | jhutchins_wk | I suppose you could run it with php cli. |
| 19:14.48 | wroathe | Hmm, I guess I wasn't wrong about it. Anyone know which package contains libmariadb.a? |
| 19:14.51 | greycat | no, but I don't necessarily *read* them all |
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| 19:15.01 | wroathe | (not the shared object, the static object) |
| 19:15.13 | greycat | especially if I'm busy reading the package list for a package for someone who's too damned stubborn/lazy to do it |
| 19:15.22 | Bushmills | I noticed before when you kept on giving advice to somebody who was gone already |
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| 19:16.24 | nvz | cbthree: I would suggest trying that.. http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-latest/linux-image-amd64_5.2+106_amd64.deb |
| 19:16.39 | mackerel449 | does debian support non-SSE2 platforms? |
| 19:16.41 | nvz | cbthree: download and install it manually with gdebi or dpkg -i |
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| 19:17.09 | greycat | !sse2 |
| 19:17.09 | dpkg | SSE2 (Streaming SIMD Extensions 2) was introduced in 2001 with the Pentium 4 processor and licensed by AMD for the Athlon 64 processor (Paris architecture). The Athlon XP processor isn't capable of SSE2. |
| 19:17.11 | Bushmills | mackerel449: yes - it's also available on non-x86 CPUs |
| 19:17.16 | cbthree | nvz, thank you |
| 19:17.25 | greycat | Yes, there are even x86 CPUs older than the Pentium 4 still supported, but just barely. |
| 19:17.46 | nvz | cbthree: its a cpu specific gpio bug.. so yeah its possible it has been fixed |
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| 19:19.27 | nvz | cbthree: if you have any nvidia, virtualbox, or whatever kernel modules that need built, you'd also need the headers package installed |
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| 19:20.02 | jhutchins_wk | !apt-file |
| 19:20.02 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
| 19:20.26 | Bushmills | !dlocate |
| 19:20.27 | dpkg | it has been said that dlocate is now similar to <locate>, can be used to locate the package a file belongs to; "update-dlocatedb" to update the database to include recently installed files - has similar functionality as dpkg -S, but is faster. |
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| 19:23.22 | cbthree | nvz, linux-image-amd64_5.2+106_amd64.deb is a 7.9K file! there must be something wrong with it |
| 19:23.33 | greycat | It's a metapackage. |
| 19:23.38 | greycat | !Metapackage |
| 19:23.38 | dpkg | A metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
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| 19:24.16 | nvz | cbthree: ah right, sorry :P |
| 19:24.46 | greycat | "linux-image-amd64" exists only to depend on the actual kernel version (linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 at this time), and will be updated if a new kernel ABI version is introduced |
| 19:25.13 | nvz | cbthree: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-signed-amd64/linux-image-5.2.0-2-amd64_5.2.9-1_amd64.deb |
| 19:25.48 | nvz | I normally just manually navigate the mirror, I used p.d.o this time.. heh.. wasnt paying attention |
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| 19:28.23 | cbthree | nvz, will that linux-image make it to backports soon? |
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| 19:29.07 | greycat | A backport is born whenever a Debian developer decides to birth one. |
| 19:29.11 | nvz | cbthree: idk, eventually I would imagine.. it took a long time to get into sid even.. there was a 5.0 in experimental for quite a long time |
| 19:29.28 | nvz | there are a lot of transitions going on right now that have things tied up |
| 19:30.24 | nvz | cbthree: the important question is, does it detect insertion/removal of an SD card on your system |
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| 19:31.34 | cbthree | nvz, my internet connection is dead slow at the moment. will report back later |
| 19:31.44 | nvz | ,pciid 10ec:5227 |
| 19:31.45 | judd | [10ec:5227] is 'RTS5227 PCI Express Card Reader' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'rtsx-pci' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:5227 |
| 19:31.55 | nvz | hmm |
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| 19:35.13 | nvz | yeah my card reader doesn't seem to be working.. that driver is loaded but I see no mention of it in dmesg, only barely shows up in the PCI map |
| 19:35.43 | nvz | I'd never tried to use it though.. thought about maybe using it for a luks removable key.. but I suppose I'd have to get it working first :D |
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| 19:36.20 | cbthree | nvz, not working with buster' s defaul 4.19 kernel or 5.2.x? |
| 19:36.21 | oft_gegong | I should just wipe my hard drive and install Debian 10 and install every package in the free contrib and non-free repos |
| 19:36.59 | greycat | oft_gegong: that's literally not possible. There are some mutual exclusions. |
| 19:37.01 | nvz | cbthree: just buster kernel.. and idk that its not working cause I never even tried to use it.. I just know there is no mention of it in dmesg.. nothing like yours shows |
| 19:37.32 | nvz | for all I know it won't show up as a device until there is a card in it.. who knows what these specific implementations do |
| 19:38.25 | nvz | cbthree: mine is different than yours though, yours is built into your CPU, mine is a seperate chip on the PCI bus somewhere made by realtek, not intel |
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| 19:40.27 | oft_gegong | oh you guys I don't know. google chrome on windows 10. that's a big jump. |
| 19:42.35 | oft_gegong | oh whoops wrong channel |
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| 19:59.21 | ayjay_t | so i'm trying to customize logwatch so that a) it only reports specific ips for failed access attempts if they are over > number and b) to eliminate a ton of "Disconnect*" lines from the "Unkown statements" list |
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| 19:59.26 | ayjay_t | any tips? |
| 20:01.11 | somiaj | If no one answers here, you may find a logwatch specfic support (forums/malininglist/channel) may get you a good answer. |
| 20:01.21 | jhutchins_wk | ayjay_t: Good luck. It's not easy to configure/customize. |
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| 20:02.00 | ayjay_t | haha thanks jhutchins_wk , i think yeah i mean, its pearl so |
| 20:02.15 | OS-5858 | ddd |
| 20:02.33 | somiaj | My limited experience found that supressing messages and just giving a count (at least for apache) wasn't to hard, unsure about the > number though |
| 20:02.59 | jhutchins_wk | ayjay_t: Aparently the people who wrote it find it perfectly to write/modify the rules, so they don't think there's anything to explain. |
| 20:03.06 | jhutchins_wk | perfectly easy. |
| 20:03.09 | OS-5858 | hi |
| 20:03.10 | jhutchins_wk | Can't type today. |
| 20:03.15 | ayjay_t | :-p |
| 20:03.28 | OS-5858 | is it real time chat? |
| 20:03.41 | greycat | yes |
| 20:04.35 | greycat | That was their only question. OK. |
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| 20:07.15 | martigan | IRC survey lol |
| 20:07.23 | annadane | no, you submit a ticket and a microsoft representative will get back to you |
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| 20:22.43 | oft_gegong | off the top of your head do you guys know grub parameters for nvidia cards just in case I don't get to the Debian gui installer with Debian 10? |
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| 20:24.32 | jhutchins_wk | oft_gegong: Usually not necessary. |
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| 20:26.52 | ayjay_t | i did it guys. if anyone needs logwatch modified and doesn't want me to be homeless, i'm available for hire |
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| 20:27.42 | jhutchins_wk | grub boots to the console before x and the kernel modules get loaded, and pretty much every i86 card out there will default to a sane console mode without any extra modules. |
| 20:28.18 | jhutchins_wk | oft_gegong: Getting the GUI working with 3D acceleration can be an ordeal, but it can be done. |
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| 20:28.52 | jhutchins_wk | (This is one of the reason we encourge learning console skills because you _can_ do this.) |
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| 20:30.41 | dak | jhutchins_wk: best advice you can ever give is what you just said |
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| 20:32.12 | dak | should spent atleast year in console only no gui |
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| 20:34.26 | jhutchins_wk | Can you imagine getting Windows working if it didn't like your graphics card? |
| 20:34.44 | greycat | Can you imagine getting Windows working? |
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| 20:35.07 | dak | lol |
| 20:35.38 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: It launches putty and virtual box fine for me. |
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| 20:35.51 | jhutchins_wk | (I have to fix virtualbox about once a month, but...) |
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| 20:42.44 | cbthree | nvz, i installed 5.2x and it seems it did not make a difference |
| 20:42.56 | cbthree | so far at least |
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| 20:43.42 | nvz | cbthree: do you still see the sdhc thing doing a gpio error? |
| 20:44.06 | nvz | cbthree: I'm pretty sure thats what the issue is, it says the GPIO is for the card detection |
| 20:44.45 | nvz | cbthree: sdhci-pci 0000:00:12.0: failed to setup card detect gpio |
| 20:44.59 | nvz | cbthree: thats what your previous two pastes from dmesg showed. |
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| 20:45.19 | nvz | and that bus address corresponds to your card reader |
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| 20:46.33 | martigan | Anyone know of any debian on thinkpad type channels? Seeing how common a combo that is I wouldn't be surprised. |
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| 20:47.31 | nvz | martigan: not really, do you need something? |
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| 20:47.46 | nvz | the main resource I've used for my thinkpads is thinkwiki |
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| 20:49.03 | zellfaze | Does anyone know what is wrong with this sudoer's line? |
| 20:49.05 | zellfaze | www-data ALL=NOPASSWD:(mediaadmin:docker) /bin/docker-services |
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| 20:49.26 | zellfaze | I am trying to allow www-data to run /bin/docker-services as mediaadmin with the group docker and not ask for a password. |
| 20:50.03 | zellfaze | docker-services is a small script I have written to make sure that I don't expose more than I need to for this project. |
| 20:50.12 | nvz | thats the most mangled line I've ever seen.. |
| 20:50.22 | martigan | nvz: Ya, but i'm not sure they are debian specific. Trying to figure out a throttling issue/maybe a fan issue. |
| 20:50.23 | zellfaze | has no idea what he is doing with sudoers files |
| 20:50.53 | zellfaze | visudo doesn't give very helpful errors. |
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| 20:53.22 | nvz | martigan: ah, well idk.. usually we just deal with things like that here.. my T440 seems to rarely turn the fan on at all.. I can go hours without it turning it on it would seem |
| 20:53.36 | zellfaze | I figured it out. |
| 20:53.37 | martigan | Keep getting throttled errors in dmesg due to temp but the fan turns on about 50% of the time. Looking for someone else running the same combo to see if they had any issues. Reddit has some threads about sky lake cpu's getting throttled but it's all windows that I've found so far. |
| 20:53.50 | zellfaze | NOPASSWD: needs to be before the commands not before the user/group declaration |
| 20:54.10 | nvz | yeah thats what looked odd to me |
| 20:54.59 | martigan | nvz: When your fans off is it like off off? As in sensors show 0 rpm? |
| 20:55.27 | martigan | and sensors never shows a temp above 40c for the cpu. |
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| 20:56.32 | martigan | I think I need to adjust the "Adaptive Thermal Management" scheme in BIOS but I feel like I shouldn't. |
| 20:56.52 | nvz | martigan: yes it shows 0rpm and usually I can get slightly above 40 without fan coming on |
| 20:57.27 | nvz | my temp/fan minotrs are just very thin sliver bars, no info on them.. so I dont always check the specific values |
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| 20:57.45 | martigan | what extension do you use? |
| 20:57.46 | nvz | but I've seen them at like 42C before with fan still at 0C |
| 20:58.33 | nvz | I'm using the mate-panel sensors applet with libsensors and udisk2 for the ssd temp |
| 20:58.57 | martigan | fancontrol was another package that was mentioned to me in here that I was going to look into. But it really just seems like I'm getting throttled for no reason. The errors show up on the unlock screen at boot. |
| 20:58.57 | nvz | ibm-acpi is avaliable for the fan, but I'm not monitoring that, I'm using the libsensors one |
| 21:00.40 | martigan | have you played with adjusting the throttling temp in BIOS at all? I would assume not if you aren't having any issues. |
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| 21:03.01 | nvz | no, I haven't looked at the bios util since I first got the machine and disabled all the security features, uefi, tpm, computrace..etc |
| 21:03.15 | cbthree | nvz, yes i still see that gpio error with the card inserted before boot and with the card inserted after boot |
| 21:04.02 | nvz | cbthree: I'm fairly certain thats the issue right there.. I mean if the kernel is TELLING YOU it can't detect card over gpio.. thats a pretty specific clue there :P |
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| 21:04.22 | nvz | cbthree: cause the kernel IS detecting the card reader, loading the driver, claiming it, and it works if the BIOS detects the card so.. |
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| 21:05.24 | cbthree | nvz, are you saying that it is the bios problem/fault? |
| 21:05.26 | nvz | cbthree: for the kernel to be saying that someone had to have programed a routine to check pinctrl for gpio detection and made a provision for it failing and displaying that message.. |
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| 21:06.32 | nvz | cbthree: no, it seems to be the way that driver either the sdhci_pci or pinctrl for that cpu was programmed in the kernel doesnt jive with your specific hardware.. its either a bug/quirk or just works differently than all other hw that was designed for.. so the issue is in one of those two places in the kernel |
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| 21:07.06 | nvz | cbthree: and if this is the case, it should be easily patchable and possibly even worked around by somehow TELLING it when the card is inserted |
| 21:07.13 | cbthree | nvz, what can i do myself to overcome the issue? |
| 21:08.12 | cbthree | gotta go. will be back later |
| 21:08.22 | nvz | cbthree: well I would suggest first and foremost filing a bug on our BTS against the kernel with all this info.. I could help you compile a bug report. Then if you want you could ping lkml on the matter, but the kernel maintainers for debian would probably do that anyhow, but if you did it, you'd probably get the process rolling faster |
| 21:09.13 | nvz | cbthree: then if you really wanted to get into the nitty gritty you'd have to discover more about how these PCI card readers and GPIO work and try see what if any indication on the system you can get that the card is being inserted |
| 21:10.10 | nvz | has a PCI card reader that also doesn't work but is not the same hw/issue/driver |
| 21:10.33 | omnio | hi, I was wondering, does someone have some experience with screen readers and IRC? In the past I used a combination of yasr+eflite+irssi but it seems to segfault nowadays. Anything that works is ok |
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| 21:11.51 | nvz | omnio: I've certainly heard of users in here doing such things might be worth sending that question out to debian-user mailinglist to reach a wider audience |
| 21:12.37 | omnio | nvz: great, thanks |
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| 21:13.02 | nvz | omnio: you could also try a more advanced package search utility |
| 21:13.09 | nvz | ,i packagesearch |
| 21:13.10 | judd | Package packagesearch (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: GUI for searching packages and viewing package information. Version: 2.7.10+b1; Size: 326.9k; Installed: 1443k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/packagesearch |
| 21:13.47 | nvz | something that lets you use debtags and such.. to try find other options |
| 21:14.28 | omnio | thanks, I didn't know about it |
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| 21:15.39 | nvz | the mailing lists often get responses in under 6hrs and are more useful for more obscure issues that aren't super-pressing but you'd like to get good knowledgable response to |
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| 21:20.11 | Andy9 | hello :) |
| 21:20.20 | nvz | o/ |
| 21:21.51 | Andy9 | I just wanted to thank everyone who helped me here in past few days |
| 21:22.35 | martigan | o7, I didn't help you at all. I'm here to seek advice not give it. Thats for sure. But its been a pleasure lurking. |
| 21:22.51 | nvz | Andy9: so stick around, learn something, help others, pay it forward |
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| 21:23.22 | Andy9 | not ready yet to help anyone lol, unless you have problem with win2k-win7 ;) |
| 21:23.46 | nvz | nope, I haven't touched windows in nearly two decades |
| 21:24.02 | Andy9 | figures |
| 21:24.12 | nvz | my mother just ordered a new computer though cause her Win10 shit the bed.. probably due to a failed update |
| 21:24.27 | nvz | not a damn thing wrong with that computer.. ugh.. |
| 21:24.30 | Andy9 | 2 decases... thats like windoze gui on top of dos times (aka win95) |
| 21:25.00 | nvz | I was using Win2k Pro at the time, updated WMP via windows update, got stuck in a reboot loop, never looked back |
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| 21:25.19 | martigan | nvz: that means you got a new computer. lol |
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| 21:25.48 | nvz | martigan: no, I went to Best Buy and bought RH 5.2 for $24 .. it was crap but I eventually found Debian |
| 21:26.07 | nvz | and not once in like 18 years using debian has a stable update ever b0rked my system like that |
| 21:26.13 | martigan | I mean if your mom's throwing hers out. |
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| 21:26.27 | nvz | martigan: yeah, it might mean that if I had a different mother :P |
| 21:26.27 | Andy9 | win2k was crap at begining as any win release, but by service pack 4 it became very stable (my home file server runs w2k for yeah - almost 2 decades lol - and its uptimes are always above 100 days broke only by power down) |
| 21:27.16 | nvz | martigan: I'm a certified technician and she didnt even ask for my help.. she asked my younger brother instead who couldnt even manage what I'd done which is prove her data is still in tact and retrivable |
| 21:27.53 | nvz | though to be fair, everyone knows my response is gonna be "windows is junk, this wouldn't happen on Debian" :P |
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| 21:28.31 | teclo- | yeah but M*crosoft still sells its products |
| 21:28.44 | Andy9 | nvz lol i had same case in my family :) my father bought some dumb android box just to watch tv off the web without even askimg for my help lol |
| 21:29.09 | nvz | I was mildly intrigued by the hololens thing.. but its not ready yet.. still too expensive, poor battery life, and requires win10.. ugh.. |
| 21:29.27 | Andy9 | while there is pc connected to tv that is set to watch everything that's out there (kodi) lol |
| 21:30.09 | nvz | Andy9: I'd managed to stiff arm my father into using Debian years ago now.. he's been using it exclusively for probably 6 years or so.. he's still on Stretch at the moment. I try not to update him unnecessarily |
| 21:30.40 | nvz | Andy9: only compromise I had to make with him is installing Microsoft Office, he swears its easier to use than libreoffice, I think he's nuts |
| 21:30.45 | Andy9 | win10 is terrible spy, just look up at her router's logs - it calls msoft mothership constantly and u can't stop it from within windows, no software firewall works |
| 21:30.53 | martigan | lol, legit think that mint is now the best windows replacement for my parents. Got my father convinced, mom is still on some old dell running win10. 50% success rate so far I guess isn't to bad. |
| 21:31.23 | martigan | My mom still writes checks though no matter how many times I try to put a stop to it. |
| 21:31.38 | Andy9 | actually i start using checks :P |
| 21:31.43 | martigan | So she may be a lost cause. |
| 21:31.50 | Andy9 | i find it safest way to pay bills lol |
| 21:31.51 | martigan | What? Why? For what? |
| 21:32.02 | nvz | My brothers HDD died recently, I'd given him a new hdd 3x the size, doubled his ram, preinstalled Debian 10, had setup crossover and his games with all the expansions, it was all working flawlessly, and still he'd just bought a new SSD half the size of his original hdd and installed win7 back on it |
| 21:32.20 | nvz | you just can't help some people.. rather piss with crappy EOL software |
| 21:33.29 | Andy9 | because some companies will still charge ur acct even when u closed it and so on... after like 10th time with my previous isp charging my acct twice i decided to open separate acct at bank, blocked any possibility of web payment or even direct payments and using it only to pay bills by paper checks by mail lol |
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| 21:34.17 | Andy9 | had no problems with "errors" on my bills ever since |
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| 21:37.30 | martigan | Just make sure you mail them in a clear envalope. Like Virgin Media says about mailing you your plain text passwords "Posting it to you is secure, as it's illegal to open someone else's mail." |
| 21:37.48 | Andy9 | yea lol |
| 21:37.51 | martigan | https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/crxpz0/virgin_media_uk_sending_your_plain_text_passports/ |
| 21:38.00 | Andy9 | oh rly |
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| 21:38.24 | Andy9 | i thought u kiddin lol |
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| 21:38.33 | nvz | its illegal, but that doesnt stop people from doing it |
| 21:39.06 | martigan | We should just make crime illegal. |
| 21:39.21 | martigan | Solve the worlds problems with one law. |
| 21:39.22 | Andy9 | nvz ur bro playin some games i guess ... unfortunately there are no really good games for linux |
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| 21:40.12 | Andy9 | i plan to switch all my boxes to linux in next few months, but i will keep win7 on one for games |
| 21:40.54 | martigan | Andy9: check out privacy.com and throw your check book away. |
| 21:41.02 | nvz | Andy9: he mostly just plays Sims3, I had it with every available expansion installed in crossover working flawlessly |
| 21:41.09 | teclo- | checks ? LOL |
| 21:41.19 | teclo- | I mean, who still uses cheques ? |
| 21:41.51 | Andy9 | martigan im not worry about privacy; the checkbook acct gets money only when needed, otherwise has some pennies lol, hackers welcome lol |
| 21:42.11 | Andy9 | teclo i started last year and i love it |
| 21:43.21 | Andy9 | i wish i could use checks to pay on ebay and such too :( |
| 21:43.27 | teclo- | Andy9: except there are many shortcomings to checks.... Someone sends to you a check in the mail... After say, one week, you still don't have received the mail |
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| 21:43.47 | teclo- | and since you don't have the mail you don't have the check and you don't have the money |
| 21:43.56 | teclo- | Andy9: what are you gonna do in that situation ? |
| 21:43.59 | martigan | Andy9: It's not so much for privacy as you have to give it access to your bank account, it allows you to generate debit card numbers the lock to the first merchant to use them and you can set spend limits or deactive them/pause them as needed. |
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| 21:45.16 | Andy9 | teclo no, i understand that rotfl! checks are not good way to send money in almost any case, but to pay bills they are WAY better than giving your CC number or allowing direct payment to be swiped of off your acct by any company |
| 21:46.13 | teclo- | Andy9: especially that, say it's 100 EUR check |
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| 21:46.27 | Andy9 | martigan, as i said when i set up the "checks" acct i specifically restricted it to checks only, even refused to take the debit card for it they wanted to give me at the bank |
| 21:46.38 | teclo- | you tell the guy who owes you 100 EUR "Hey didn't get the check..." |
| 21:46.45 | teclo- | Perhaps he didn't send the check |
| 21:46.49 | teclo- | Andy9: or worse... |
| 21:47.08 | Andy9 | teclo i wouldn't accept check from anyone lol I opened checking acct to SEND checks, not receive them |
| 21:47.17 | teclo- | Andy9: perhaps he's gonna think you did get the check but you did not cash it yet |
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| 21:47.21 | martigan | Ahhh the old "Checks in the mail" trick. |
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| 21:47.49 | teclo- | Andy9: because if you tell him "Ah the check is lost in the mail" and you ask him to send you another check |
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| 21:48.06 | teclo- | Andy9: if hte first check finally arrives... |
| 21:48.19 | teclo- | you got two 100 EUR checks so you can cash both and get 200 EUR instead of 100 EUR |
| 21:48.42 | teclo- | Andy9: or you could lie, you could pretend you din't get the check... but you actually had the check |
| 21:48.52 | teclo- | so you cash 200 EUR instead of 100 EUR |
| 21:49.05 | teclo- | for instance France still has checks |
| 21:49.11 | teclo- | and there's that problem I just mentioned |
| 21:49.17 | teclo- | there is worse than that |
| 21:49.39 | teclo- | I sometime sell stuff on some "second-hand" website |
| 21:49.52 | humbot | pardon |
| 21:49.56 | teclo- | and I xrite in the description I only accept european money transfer |
| 21:50.08 | teclo- | and then someone from France buys my stuff |
| 21:50.31 | teclo- | I ask him to pays by european money transfer (SEPA) as mentioned |
| 21:50.38 | teclo- | and he says "No I'll just send you a check" |
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| 21:50.40 | Andy9 | teclo i guess you missed begining of this conversation - i had many cases when some companies debit when they shouldn't, most notorious was my previous ISP (they even charged my acct monthly fee TWO months after i kicked them out and weren't their customer, bastards) thats why i opened separate acct just to use check payments anywhere i could. And didn't have "error" charges from anyone ever since :) |
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| 21:50.51 | teclo- | but you cant' cash French checks outside of France |
| 21:50.57 | teclo- | Andy9: no I didn't miss it |
| 21:51.37 | teclo- | Andy9: just don't allow the company to charge you on the account |
| 21:51.51 | humbot | cheque |
| 21:51.57 | teclo- | I never allowed any ISP to charge directly form my account |
| 21:51.57 | Andy9 | teclo american banks are rip off, its not like that lol |
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| 21:52.32 | teclo- | They send an invoice every month and I pay for that |
| 21:52.42 | teclo- | Andy9: what do you mean a rip off ? Inexpensive ? |
| 21:52.55 | martigan | Or just give them a privacy.com card and cancel it the second your done with service. Problem solved. |
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| 21:53.19 | Andy9 | so do i now, no more direct payments or EFTs, they send me bill every month and i send them check |
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| 21:53.39 | Andy9 | teclo oh i could write a book about american banks lol |
| 21:53.56 | teclo- | Andy9: try swiss banks |
| 21:54.20 | Andy9 | unfortunately it wouldnt work to pay most bills, otherwise i would have lol |
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| 21:55.46 | nvz | Andy9: you are in the US then? |
| 21:56.35 | Andy9 | actually not atm lol |
| 21:57.18 | nvz | ah well the service I been using for over a decade is good, but its US only |
| 21:57.28 | Andy9 | which one? |
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| 21:58.09 | nvz | American Express Bluebird, costs nothing to sign up.. they let you make up to 4 family accounts.. I use those to pay things online.. transfer funds to the linked accounts just enough to cover the transaction |
| 21:58.44 | Andy9 | nvz i will look into that, is it related to Amex CC? |
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| 21:59.04 | nvz | they have limits and fees, but the fees only apply if you do something like cash a check via photo and want the money instantly, or use an out of network ATM to withdraw.. and the limits on transaction are higher than most broke people would ever reach.. its like 100k/yr limit |
| 21:59.33 | nvz | Andy9: yes its through American Express, but its a normal bank.. can write checks, use a debit card..etc. |
| 21:59.48 | Andy9 | btw guys, if you use CC to pay online use Amex, that's the only card that never failed to reverse any charges or when something didn't arrive from ebay, not kiddin |
| 22:00.09 | nvz | yeah, I never had any issues with them at all.. |
| 22:00.40 | nvz | only downside is due to the security of the account you cant use it as a seller or such.. they wont allow those kinds of spontaneous deductions that aren't pre-approved |
| 22:01.19 | nvz | even the checks have to be pre-authorized.. you tell them the amount and check number, they set aside the funds, and give you an auth code to write on the check.. so the payee can verify the funds are available |
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| 22:01.36 | Andy9 | nvz when you buy something above preset limit (like mine is set to $500) they will immediately call your cell to confirm |
| 22:01.48 | martigan | sits back and laughs at other problems that could be solved with a privacy.com card |
| 22:02.19 | nvz | privacy.com is a fairly new thing.. and idk about their costs.. but I do the same crap with bluebird and it costs me absolutely nothing |
| 22:03.24 | Andy9 | nvz im definitly gonna look it up ;) martigan - that privacy.com looks like another paypal |
| 22:03.52 | martigan | There is no cost. And they have been around for 3-4 years now. I have been using them for every single online transaction for about a year now without any issues. Sites that you need to give a debit card for a free trial for 30 days you can generate a new card and then close it right away without having to worry about getting charged again. |
| 22:04.22 | Andy9 | might give them a try when im gonna order something from ebay next time |
| 22:05.26 | nvz | I've used the family accounts on bluebird the same way for over a decade.. they let you creat family accounts in any name.. since they can only get money from the main account it satisfies the legal aspect as its still tied to your SSN, so the name of the family accounts need not be verified |
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| 22:05.54 | Andy9 | i also bought few times pre-paid Master Card CC for ebay, but twice i left with few bucks on them that i didn't use so it wasn't best idea |
| 22:06.31 | martigan | I'll have to look into that one too. Privacy.com cards will verify agains any billing address and name also. You can use 1234 main street, john smith. |
| 22:07.11 | martigan | Andy9 those Vanilla Visa's are a good option I use too for that kind of stuff before I found privacy.com. |
| 22:08.05 | Andy9 | martigan but if u use fake address u might get into trouble, thats exactly what happened to me first time i used prepaid MC; i set up fake name and address and they sent batteries i ordered from china to that fake address instead of my shipping address on ebay lol |
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| 22:09.05 | martigan | Ahh, ya I don't buy from ebay. I'm not sure about that. |
| 22:10.11 | martigan | You could probably get your money back if the tracking shows delivered to an address other than whats on your shipping on the order. |
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| 22:12.02 | martigan | We just completly hijacked the debain support channel for an hour. lol Sorry everyone. |
| 22:12.19 | Andy9 | martigan it was few bucks only for 2 of some weird type batteries, i didn't bother but yeah i could i guess |
| 22:12.25 | Andy9 | lol true :) |
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| 22:13.09 | Andy9 | but no one asked any support questions in that time so no harm done :) |
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| 22:14.54 | martigan | There was one person who said "Pardon" or something like that but "Dont ask to ask, just ask" lol |
| 22:15.24 | Andy9 | maybe he thought he's in a #payments chan? ;) |
| 22:15.42 | humpled | bloomin bitcoins everywhere |
| 22:15.54 | martigan | just joined #payments chan |
| 22:15.59 | Andy9 | ha ha |
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| 22:20.46 | Andy9 | has anyone tried putting debian on older Mac? |
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| 22:20.59 | Andy9 | with those Motorola chips? |
| 22:21.02 | Unplesantry | wahapen to virualbox |
| 22:21.06 | dvs | ppc? |
| 22:21.15 | Andy9 | dvs yes |
| 22:21.31 | nvz | Andy9: 32bit ppc support was dropped a while back |
| 22:21.35 | dvs | Andy9, I think PPC support was taken out |
| 22:21.42 | nvz | !ppc |
| 22:21.42 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <macsound>, <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>, <ppc64>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:21.58 | Andy9 | dvs but older distro would work, right? |
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| 22:22.07 | nvz | ppc64 is still supported AFAIK but PPC 32bit was dropped a long time ago |
| 22:22.34 | Andy9 | nvz i'm sure my dad's very old mac is 32-bit |
| 22:22.39 | dvs | Andy9, sure. Older versions would work but there won't be any support for it. |
| 22:23.08 | Andy9 | forget it then. I can't do it on my own without help :) |
| 22:23.12 | Andy9 | thx dvs |
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| 22:28.12 | Andy9 | i'm just thinking i set up debian wrong. i should have set another partition for root, for future upgrades |
| 22:28.56 | dvs | root? |
| 22:28.57 | Unplesantry | support |
| 22:29.02 | Unplesantry | lol |
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| 22:29.20 | Unplesantry | like mental support |
| 22:29.28 | Unplesantry | ? |
| 22:29.34 | Andy9 | i mean empty partition for system when new version comes |
| 22:30.08 | Andy9 | that way i'd install new version to that "second root" and just add it to grub |
| 22:30.20 | Unplesantry | yea |
| 22:30.21 | annadane | Unplesantry, virtualbox is gone in buster because oracle won't... something. forget the reason. they won't give security support for it, or something |
| 22:30.33 | annadane | hang on. lol |
| 22:30.48 | Unplesantry | Andy9: make partition for each os |
| 22:30.50 | Andy9 | in case its fucked up or i won't like i just revert grub to the previous "original root" partition, i don't know am i clear |
| 22:30.56 | dvs | Andy9, you can upgrade over an existing installation. Just make sure to back it up before upgrading. |
| 22:31.00 | annadane | judd: bug 794466 |
| 22:31.02 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/794466 in src:virtualbox (open, stretch, buster, bullseye, sid): «virtualbox: might not be suitable for stable releases due to lack of cooperation from upstream on security support for older releases»; severity: serious; opened: 2015-08-03; last modified: 2019-07-08. |
| 22:31.06 | annadane | Unplesantry, ^ |
| 22:31.27 | Unplesantry | with linux u can even move os to a diff partition |
| 22:31.47 | Andy9 | dvs backing up is too time consuming, having separate "root" partitions for each version is much faster |
| 22:31.54 | dvs | ha! |
| 22:31.59 | dvs | That's asking for trouble |
| 22:32.05 | Andy9 | is it? |
| 22:32.26 | dvs | absolutely |
| 22:32.59 | dvs | The partitions that are shared may be upgraded to the new version. |
| 22:33.03 | annadane | but is it?! |
| 22:33.50 | Andy9 | you probly know better; i'm just talking from windows user point of view. That's how i set up windozes on every box (2 windozes, second one is minimal and invisible to the the "main one", but selectable in boot loader - so if anything goes wrong with "main windoze" i boot to the second one) |
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| 22:37.04 | Andy9 | laugh it out guys, but i already made snapshot of debian's partitions with windows ;) |
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| 22:38.48 | CaptainDusty | annadane: I thought you just needed non-free? |
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| 22:39.07 | annadane | ,v virtualbox |
| 22:39.08 | CaptainDusty | annadane: Oooh! lol @ 794466 |
| 22:39.09 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 6.0.10-dfsg-4 |
| 22:39.17 | annadane | yeah, nope, sorry |
| 22:39.22 | CaptainDusty | Nice. |
| 22:39.34 | annadane | one rich asshole called larry ellison |
| 22:39.51 | Andy9 | ? |
| 22:40.14 | annadane | oracle is headed by larry ellison and has a rich tradition of killing everything they acquire |
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| 22:40.39 | annadane | so O.R.A.C.L.E = One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison |
| 22:40.40 | Andy9 | oh ic |
| 22:41.04 | Andy9 | sounds like Google's daddy lol |
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| 22:41.37 | Unplesantry | oracle is that woman from the matrix |
| 22:41.56 | Unplesantry | she make the cookies |
| 22:42.15 | Andy9 | yea but she didnt have any for Neo |
| 22:42.22 | raidensnake | any idea why a fake kms driver stops x from starting properly? |
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| 22:43.10 | raidensnake | it just gives me a blank screen |
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| 22:44.53 | Andy9 | Time to walk out my doggie ;) have a good one every1 |
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| 22:49.27 | martigan | Have a good one! |
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| 23:12.42 | spectral_ | i have been having some issues installing steam, used a flatpak thing but then could not update it and now i am having issues installing the deb file, i prefer to figure stuff out myself cause asking feels a little weird but i feel like theres some fundamental misunderstanding about something idk |
| 23:13.27 | spectral_ | root@hurrgh:/home/spectre# dpkg -i steam_latest.deb |
| 23:13.27 | spectral_ | dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable |
| 23:13.27 | spectral_ | dpkg: warning: 'start-stop-daemon' not found in PATH or not executable |
| 23:13.27 | spectral_ | dpkg: error: 2 expected programs not found in PATH or not executable |
| 23:13.27 | spectral_ | Note: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin |
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| 23:13.28 | dpkg | spectral_: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 23:14.54 | spectral_ | i am sorry about that i thought it would post as one message i was pasting it |
| 23:16.08 | spectral_ | i did not read the startup thing well wont do that again |
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| 23:20.22 | humpled | ldconfig is /sbin/ldconfig, and comes with the libc-bin package, seems likely you would have that |
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| 23:23.17 | annadane | well okay, two different things |
| 23:23.30 | annadane | 1) to access sbin in buster, use su - instead of su |
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| 23:23.53 | annadane | 2) pick one method... if you're having issues installing steam via apt, address those issues first instead of trying 3 different solutions |
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| 23:24.31 | annadane | "hi debian support channel, i installed steam via the repository and am having xyz issues, can anyone help?" |
| 23:25.25 | nvz | spectral_: these are not debian issues |
| 23:25.46 | annadane | flatpak is probably fine, but you're trusting flatpak which is a level of abstraction over just using what debian provides. and dpkg -i <package>.deb is just a workaround hack |
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| 23:27.03 | annadane | they're all workaround hacks until you can actually ascertain that there's no other options once you've tried the direct solution |
| 23:27.03 | nvz | ,v steam |
| 23:27.03 | judd | No package named 'steam' was found in amd64. |
| 23:27.10 | nvz | ,v steam --arch i386 |
| 23:27.11 | judd | Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.49-1; stretch/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2; buster/non-free: 1.0.0.59-4; bullseye/non-free: 1.0.0.61-2; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.61-2 |
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| 23:27.42 | nvz | what you're doing is installing crap that wasnt packaged in debian and is looking for crap not in debian |
| 23:28.15 | nvz | the buster version is a bit behind, but those bullseye/sid versions are the latest available right now |
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| 23:54.21 | martigan | Switch back to Stretch just for Virtual box or caugh up the money for VMWare? RIP VB on Debian? |
| 23:55.07 | jmcnaught | Or use virt-manager and libvirt |
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| 23:56.56 | martigan | thx, ill check it out. |
| 23:59.06 | spectral_ | i'll try to figure out flatpak, might be better off if i cant anyway ill waste less time haha |
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