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| 00:03.12 | m0rd3cai | hey Bushmills, remember that text string yesterday I couldnt make heads or tails of? |
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| 00:35.36 | Guest91374 | ok installed debian iso and booted to installation menu, and ,,,it says "failed to load firmwire..." checked the log saying "switch root" failed..... |
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| 00:39.41 | GenTooMan | I am running debian buster and it comes with fire fox quantum 60.8.0esr, I am having a rather frustrating VM allocation issue that causes swapping. If I have open FF browser windows open with 8 sites each, they VM is about 20.3GB and the RSS size is 3G. Is this a bug in the particular version of firefox? and yes I asked in #firefox with not much response other than someone mentioning that was an awful lot of VM allocated |
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| 00:49.12 | _Cute_Kitty_ | ok it just did it again! |
| 00:49.13 | _Cute_Kitty_ | https://i.imgur.com/zZSRUsJ.png |
| 00:49.27 | _Cute_Kitty_ | i pressed really hard around all edges of the screen, nothing strange was happening at all, |
| 00:49.41 | _Cute_Kitty_ | down by the keyboard i was pressing around the hp logo, nothing. no hint of shift in color or anything. |
| 00:49.43 | _Cute_Kitty_ | it |
| 00:50.07 | _Cute_Kitty_ | but that screenshot did not capture it, i just noticed it |
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| 00:52.39 | raidghost | If i apt remove aprogram |
| 00:52.42 | raidghost | and then apt isntall aprogram |
| 00:52.52 | raidghost | would it keep my config files and just let me get the program daemon again? |
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| 00:55.25 | nvz | raidghost: yes it should.. but if you goal is to reinstall you dont have to remove it first |
| 00:55.31 | Nirvash | I'm unable to get mysql to start with my server. Is there a reason that 'sudo update-rc.d mysql defaults' wouldn't work, and /var/log/syslog shows no errors? |
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| 00:56.23 | nvz | Nirvash: what distro? |
| 00:58.17 | Nirvash | 9.9 stretch |
| 00:58.44 | nvz | ok, then where did you get mysql from and what init system are you using? |
| 00:59.29 | nvz | because Debian uses systemd and doesnt have mysql |
| 00:59.55 | Nirvash | I installed mysql from repo.mysql.com |
| 01:00.02 | Nirvash | I uninstalled MariaDB completely. |
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| 01:00.40 | raidghost | nvz: was more to solve a bad upgrade :P |
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| 01:01.22 | nvz | ok. have you perhaps tried running mysql manually to see if there are errors? Have you checked systemctl to see if it has built a unit for it, and what its status is? |
| 01:01.50 | nvz | Nirvash: i.e. sytemctl status mysql or whatever |
| 01:01.58 | Nirvash | Yes to both. Running 'sudo systemctl status mysql' shows that it isn't running, and 'sudo systemctl start mysql' runs mysql without a problem. |
| 01:02.25 | nvz | by starting it manually I meant without the init system.. stopping it there and running the server directly |
| 01:03.10 | nvz | this and reading the logs is about as far as we can really support this here, as we don't ship mysql anymore for years now, and I can't reproduce your issue |
| 01:03.38 | Nirvash | Yeah, it's definitely a strange one. I see that it's listed in rc.d and should be starting right away. |
| 01:04.16 | nvz | yeah well that rc.d crap is all sysv init stuff |
| 01:05.13 | nvz | systemd uses service units that have nothing to do with all that.. it will build unit files from old init files but other than that it toally ignores them |
| 01:07.19 | nvz | GenTooMan: I've seen that happen on my father's machine before.. its probably just some buggy runaway javascript I just closed and restarted the browser |
| 01:08.14 | nvz | GenTooMan: it really baffled me when it happened cause he only has 4GB ram and 4GB swap.. so seemed impossible anything could have memory in excess of that |
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| 01:08.30 | nvz | but iirc, it was the same figure you quoted.. 20.3G which seems suspicious |
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| 01:16.08 | Nirvash | Trying to use 'systemctl enable mysql' is starting to show more of the issue. "Link has been severed". |
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| 01:23.54 | LCRERGO | Hi I wanted to know what packages provides section 3 of the manual in debian |
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| 01:42.12 | ZaZaGX | ok, i'm done. took forever to completely secure my debian laptop |
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| 01:45.16 | annadane | forever?! |
| 01:45.31 | Psi-Jack | Forever is still happening. |
| 01:45.33 | Psi-Jack | Right now. |
| 01:45.56 | annadane | tl;dr: debian is never secure |
| 01:46.00 | annadane | use kali linux instead |
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| 01:49.13 | karenmcd | ... looks at current qubes installation... |
| 01:49.40 | ZaZaGX | i set a password on bios, set password to not bootup another linux distro from usb flash drive, format laptop. disk encrpyted the whole hard drive. set password for grub, updated system. install like 2 malware scanners, got them working. installed antivirus. installed all apps back |
| 01:49.41 | karenmcd | <_< it's reasonably secure :-) |
| 01:49.50 | ZaZaGX | kali linux is secure? |
| 01:51.32 | ZaZaGX | annadane, how old are you? |
| 01:52.19 | annadane | between 1 and 712 |
| 01:52.27 | dvs | thinks that just using LUKS is secure |
| 01:52.32 | annadane | also, i'm joking about kali... |
| 01:52.48 | ZaZaGX | whoa, your too young for me annadane |
| 01:52.54 | annadane | the joke is if it took you "forever" to secure debian and forever is always ongoing, debian is never secure |
| 01:54.57 | ZaZaGX | egh, i don't want to deal with nftables |
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| 01:58.11 | ZaZaGX | i have a vpn, and i use TOR in shady wifi hotspots |
| 01:58.25 | karlpinc | ZaZaGX: nftables (finally) has a managable syntax, unlike iptables. |
| 01:59.18 | ZaZaGX | i don't want to block everything |
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| 02:01.29 | ZaZaGX | maybe i should get a mac too |
| 02:06.30 | ZaZaGX | maybe not. i'm not sure how to secure it. maybe virtual machine a debian on it? |
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| 02:15.37 | Nirvash | Any thoughts on how to get mysql added to systemd to start automatically? |
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| 02:18.03 | GenTooMan | nvz could it be something attached to SQLite? |
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| 02:22.02 | karlpinc | Nirvash: Probably "systemctl enable ...", but buster does not come with mysql, does it? Do you mean mariadb? (I prefer postgres myself.) |
| 02:23.04 | Nirvash | I have a few programs that require MySQL specifically, and systemctl enable is failing without much help =/ |
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| 02:35.16 | annadane | anyone know what the package in MATE is to enable the sound option in the control center? |
| 02:35.27 | annadane | i'd installed mate-desktop-environment-core |
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| 02:38.56 | karlpinc | Nirvash: You will have to make a "service" file. See for an example /etc/systemd/system/sshd.service |
| 02:41.20 | karlpinc | Nirvash: man systemd.service (which is probably also where it tells you all about /etc/systemd/system/) |
| 02:41.37 | annadane | found it; mate-media |
| 02:42.02 | ZaZaGX | good job |
| 02:42.02 | annadane | may also be another package that's part of it but installing that did it |
| 02:43.10 | karlpinc | Nirvash: Also "systemctl daemon-reload" which is (sometimes) needed, I think, depending on what sort of dependences you create. |
| 02:43.26 | annadane | "MATE media utilities are the audio mixer and the volume control applet." so yeah it should be precisely that |
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| 03:28.25 | Jmabsd | maaaybe -boot menu=on[,splash-time=T] |
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| 05:08.52 | Jmabsd | libvirt bug: - <bootmenu>'s timeout tag doesn't work for the OVMF UEFI firmware at least. Also no way to pass the timeout via virst-intall. |
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| 05:33.37 | ozzloy | if anyone else is having a problem installing firefox's multi-account containers and gets "installation ... appears to be corrupt.", you can install "facebook container" and then all the container UI is available |
| 05:34.00 | ozzloy | and you don't have to use facebook at all |
| 05:34.07 | ozzloy | to do it |
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| 05:40.27 | Tom-_ | I tried to upgrade stretch to buster and have no systemd, following the instructions at https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-upgrade-default-init-system . It didn't work, I guess an APT pin of -1 is not low enough |
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| 05:41.24 | Tom-_ | i guess i want to know if there is official or unofficial instructions anywhere on running buster without systemd? |
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| 05:43.52 | diogenes_ | Tom-_, probably on devuan page. |
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| 05:47.35 | Tom-_ | thanks, diogenes_, but is there support here for people running Debian no systemd? I'm running Debian now |
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| 06:30.36 | mohammad-ghasemi | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:30.47 | tdn | I have encrypted disks using LUKS and LVM. I want to enable trim. I have added 'discard' option to fstab and to crypttab. What else do I need? It still says "fstrim: /: the discard operation is not supported" - what am I missing? |
| 06:30.51 | tdn | (debian 9) |
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| 07:09.57 | bqq | is there pasterbin for image? |
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| 07:10.40 | Habbie | bqq, imgur is decent |
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| 07:13.39 | bqq | seems connecting to forever... |
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| 07:14.58 | bqq | Habbie: https://imgur.com/? |
| 07:15.17 | Habbie | yes |
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| 07:22.59 | EdePopede | so, i've just experienced something i've never had before. the data disk decided to say goodbye during operation. still have to fsck it, but: |
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| 07:24.01 | EdePopede | logs said something about "check power connector", which i did. started pulling out the cable, it beeped. put it back in, not sure if i even moved it 1mm, checked logs, the disk is back |
| 07:24.38 | EdePopede | and 2 side effects: firefox was spamming me with crash reporters, in the end htop showed a couple of screens full of them |
| 07:25.07 | EdePopede | may have been the reason why i was kicked out on irc AGAIN, cpu were both on 100% for a long time |
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| 07:26.02 | bqq | firmware: failed to load xxxxxx? |
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| 07:26.41 | EdePopede | and then suddenly i can switch to another tty with alt-left/right, or even using the win key. win with up/down still works as supposed, so something seems to overlay it. that would be my first question, how to reset this? it's driving me nuts to jump to the text terminal all the time |
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| 07:33.00 | EdePopede | which part of the system is responsible for the "go to ttyN/go to next/prev tty" thing? the kernel? |
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| 07:40.40 | EdePopede | so e2fsck doesn't offer a log option, but also refuses to pipe its output to tee? i really have to copypaste the output from the terminal if i want to check it later? |
| 07:41.27 | Habbie | EdePopede, without having read the backlog, 'man script' might be of interest |
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| 07:42.22 | EdePopede | ah right. didn't use it for some time. but i also could simply use xterm's log. not as nice, but, well. anyway, looking for script now, thanks :) |
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| 07:54.06 | n_1-c_k | In buster, logrotate of mail.log occurs at midnight Monday and not at 06:25 as in strech. Why and how this change? |
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| 08:01.52 | n_1-c_k | Correction, occurs at midnight beginning of Sunday, i.e. about 30 hours earlier than it would in stretch. |
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| 08:27.23 | f8e3_ | de10 kernel still nasty not modeset, cannot use xfce2.14 since i boot into blank screen, was in testing and now in 'stable', regression error and not fixed, wonder how many ppl cant go deb10 because of this |
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| 08:31.38 | annadane | f8e3_, er... xfce 2.14? |
| 08:31.49 | annadane | do you mean 4.14? which isn't in stable |
| 08:32.08 | Habbie | ,v xfce4 |
| 08:32.09 | judd | Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; bullseye: 4.12.5; buster: 4.12.5; sid: 4.12.5 |
| 08:32.32 | Habbie | 4.14 was released on aug 12 |
| 08:32.34 | Habbie | (upstream) |
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| 08:34.44 | annadane | boot into blank screen... hmm |
| 08:34.58 | annadane | i'd probably file a bug report regardless |
| 08:35.12 | annadane | (this is lazy-speak for i don't know how to fix your problem) |
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| 08:37.21 | f8e3_ | i unfortunate dont have the log, and installed deb9 again, just wanted to let ppl know if similar https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton/issues/3017#issuecomment-272002131 |
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| 08:44.51 | Lyberta | is there a package that will sync the kernel and initramfs on ESP and /boot? |
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| 09:00.29 | KippiX | Hi all, I look for apt repository manager. I eard of aptly but I which to known the other existing tool ;) So what tool do you use ? |
| 09:01.06 | Habbie | we use reprepro |
| 09:01.19 | Habbie | we want to use pulp but my coworkers tell me it's not mature enough |
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| 09:05.43 | KippiX | Habbie: ths |
| 09:05.45 | KippiX | Habbie: thx |
| 09:05.53 | KippiX | aptly, reprepro, pulp: any one else ? |
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| 09:11.04 | EdePopede | could someone check the output of this one? ### dumpkeys | grep -i Decr_Console ### atm i have it with 8 of 128 possible modifier keycombos for key 105, looks like a bit too much. though i'm not sure if some entries were added here or the existing ones are overridden in X (CA-Fn instead of A-Fn, no A-left/right) but aren't anymore now. |
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| 09:12.15 | humpled | hmm |
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| 09:14.03 | humpled | "Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console" |
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| 09:14.57 | Habbie | humpled, probably doesn't work inside X11 |
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| 09:17.53 | EdePopede | grep. keymaps(5) is from 1998. did the windows key even exist in those days? |
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| 09:29.22 | humpled | it doesn't work in screen |
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| 09:30.00 | Habbie | humpled, indeed |
| 09:30.22 | Habbie | EdePopede, yes, the windows key is from 1994 |
| 09:30.31 | humpled | otherwise i get 8 outputs |
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| 09:31.56 | EdePopede | oh, so already for w95. 25. and i still got some with 102 keys around. |
| 09:34.57 | EdePopede | the strange thing is, everything with <Alt> included switches terminals. including ctrl+alt. which i've overridden for xfce and it works as expected. win+cursor is also overridden^Wdefined, but acts as terminal switcher now. can't see why they would be treated differently. |
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| 09:35.57 | EdePopede | or if the kernel yells MINE! or X has lost some of its keybindings. |
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| 11:21.38 | EdePopede | NetworkManager[466]: <info> [1566816779.2295] dhcp4 (enp2s0): lease time 3600 <--- if this is the answer from the server, which looks like "come back in an hour", then why us this the reaction from dhclient? ---> -- renewal in 1364 seconds. |
| 11:22.34 | EdePopede | didn't calculate the exact timings, and also the number seems to be different every time, but it ALWAYS starts annying the server who of course doesn't react until the hour is over |
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| 11:23.09 | EdePopede | with the consequence that dhclient is still spamming my logs with its DHCPREQUEST lines every few seconds |
| 11:23.26 | Bushmills | client and servers may have different ideas about lease time. could be that server says 1800, client ask for 3600 or vice versa |
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| 11:23.47 | Rovanion | Are processes in the D state scheduled onto hardware cores or do they remain unscheduled until the IO has been completed? |
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| 11:24.40 | Bushmills | "spamming my logs with its DHCPREQUEST lines every few seconds" shouldn't happen, though |
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| 11:25.16 | EdePopede | so the client simply ignores the server's wishes? |
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| 11:25.28 | Bushmills | and server should react, even before |
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| 11:26.22 | Bushmills | it's not that server says "I won't respond any longer during lease time". it's a suggestion when to renew the lease |
| 11:27.08 | EdePopede | the lease file has some 25 entries btw, last one ending with 'expire 1 2019/08/26 11:52:59'. with a timestamp of 12:52:59, so something is weird anyway. CEST, so either UTC, which would be 2 hrs off, not 1, or CEST which would be 0. |
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| 11:27.58 | EdePopede | wondering what would happen if i'd reboot right after the leasing action |
| 11:28.21 | Bushmills | when rebooted, client will ask for a new lease |
| 11:30.10 | EdePopede | it does this all the time and gets ignored until the hour's over. so what would be different? |
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| 11:31.21 | Bushmills | if it re-requests a lease continously, it may be a sign that it doesn't manage to obtain one. |
| 11:31.47 | Bushmills | but usually, a dhcp client gives up after a number of failed attempts |
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| 11:32.54 | Bushmills | i'd try it manually. de-initialize interface, stopping any potentially running client daemon, then use dhclient and watch what it does and says |
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| 11:33.43 | Bushmills | dis the problem arise after an upgrade from a previous debian version? |
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| 11:34.54 | EdePopede | omg, from 2007... https://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?175755-Dhclient-spamming-DHCPREQUEST |
| 11:35.13 | EdePopede | if that's the problem, i have more than TWENTY entries there, all the same |
| 11:35.20 | EdePopede | only the times differ |
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| 11:36.35 | EdePopede | Bushmills, i never upgrade. always fresh installs. but this was even back in the last release. still on 9, was on 7 before. |
| 11:37.26 | EdePopede | and i didn't touch such things for years now, everything is automated now, driven by some moster daemons doing strange things |
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| 11:38.34 | EdePopede | i wasn't even able to start a 2nd xfce session to test something last year, and i don't even remember how to set up the network stuff manually |
| 11:38.48 | EdePopede | welcome to smart linux, where all you need is a start button |
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| 11:40.27 | Bushmills | my /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases has one entry per interface - the current lease |
| 11:41.13 | EdePopede | the only method to de-initialize the interface i can remember is to pull out the cable. even brutally killing some daemon would probably restert it instantly by this new init thing i can't even remember the name of |
| 11:41.34 | Bushmills | assigning ip address 0.0.0.0 is a way |
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| 11:42.58 | EdePopede | and then i lose internet and have to reboot anyway |
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| 11:43.18 | EdePopede | i don't remember ANYTHING related to network hacking, and never ever learned the new tools |
| 11:43.36 | EdePopede | last time i did such things there were ifup and ifdown |
| 11:44.15 | Bushmills | that makes it of course a bit harder to diagnose such problems, by for example looking at the output of involved commands |
| 11:44.34 | Bushmills | oh well, never mind, it was just a suggestion |
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| 11:46.26 | EdePopede | so, lets see. i used that nifty xfce button to kill the connection and reopen it |
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| 11:47.15 | EdePopede | first dhclient-enp2s0.conf disappeared to be recreated after reconnection |
| 11:47.25 | EdePopede | lease file has 2 entries now |
| 11:47.45 | EdePopede | the last expire time is still 1 hour back |
| 11:48.51 | Bushmills | sure that it's not expiring tomorrow at about the same time? |
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| 11:52.49 | dcpc007 | Hi, i have a Jira server on Debian 7 + mysql 5.5. Need to upgrade (at last !) but need mysql 5.7, not Mariadb (Jira says that will not work with mariadb and don't support it) |
| 11:53.01 | dcpc007 | Is it possible to keep mysql on debian 9 ? |
| 11:53.47 | EdePopede | "renewal in 1580 seconds" -- this would be at ~ :10 |
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| 11:58.06 | EdePopede | seems it keeps the last entry at shutdown and adds a new one at restart. and then for every request it goes through. |
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| 11:59.33 | EdePopede | now i'll have to wait until :20. but i'm sure it will start spamming again and then add entry numero three after one hour. |
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| 12:01.22 | elitas | what repo should i use instead of jessie-backports ? |
| 12:01.45 | Habbie | elitas, for what? |
| 12:03.03 | EdePopede | should i use a cronjob to restart the networkmanager thing every 20 minutes or would a script for that new superdaemon be better? |
| 12:04.02 | elitas | for mssql setup i need jessie-backports |
| 12:05.05 | elitas | but mirror storing only jessie-updates/ |
| 12:06.42 | jelly | !jessie-backports |
| 12:06.42 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but rebuilt for use with Jessie (Debian 8) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Jessie-backports are no longer being created, and the existing ones are archived. See https://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie for instructions. |
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| 12:09.18 | jelly | elitas: look for jessie-backports under, something like, deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main |
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| 12:11.08 | elitas | thanks |
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| 12:15.52 | abrock | I have a very small /boot partition and apt wants to upgrade from linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 to install linux-image-5.2.0-2-amd64. This fails due to "no space left on device". Could I remove the old kernel first and then install the new one? |
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| 12:17.55 | wwilliam | Hello I have a directory like this http://paste.debian.net/hidden/1e39b6dd/ how do I run in parallel 10 of those then the next 10 until finish all? |
| 12:17.59 | Bushmills | not recommended. |
| 12:18.10 | Bushmills | if new kernel has a problem, you're in some shit |
| 12:20.05 | Bushmills | as the problem with too small boot partition will probably continue to haunt you in the future, I'd try to solve it there. |
| 12:20.31 | EdePopede | on my /boot only 61M are used oO |
| 12:20.31 | abrock | If I mount a USB flash drive over /boot and then do the upgrade, could I boot from the usb drive? |
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| 12:21.44 | Bushmills | just by mounting alone, no. even if kernel was written to usb, it'd not contain boot loader, and the installed initrd wouldn't know what root to mount |
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| 12:22.52 | Habbie | wwilliam, look at the 'parallel' and 'xargs' tools |
| 12:23.06 | wwilliam | Habbie: ok thanks |
| 12:23.11 | Bushmills | chances are, depending on partitioning and bios age, that boot partition may not even be needed |
| 12:23.41 | EdePopede | gah, that really sucks. any idea how i make the kernel or what it is to NOT react on things like Alt+Left or Alt+F2 while i'm in X? i land all the time in a tty, can't switch desktops properly, can't even open the program menu and what not. |
| 12:24.06 | nvz | random curiousity.. I know pidgin with XMPP/gtalk can do gmail notifications.. anyone know of something more generic that can notify me of emails without a full blown email/msg client like an applet, daemon, something? |
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| 12:24.46 | EdePopede | all this started after the data disk said goodbye and firefox, running on that disk, went mad with throwing crashreporter dialogs at me until i finally got it killed. |
| 12:25.06 | nvz | I usually ignore my email but if I'm gonna be working in IT again I prob should have an email notifier :P |
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| 12:25.46 | EdePopede | hm, biff? is this still a thing? |
| 12:26.04 | nvz | ,i biff |
| 12:26.05 | judd | Package biff (mail, optional) in buster/amd64: a mail notification tool. Version: 1:0.17.pre20000412-5.1; Size: 13.4k; Installed: 54k |
| 12:26.43 | Bushmills | nvz: gmail allows IMAP, and some biffs can hook into notification per IMAP |
| 12:26.46 | EdePopede | 0.17? and wait... 2000? :D |
| 12:27.01 | nvz | yeah thats ancient and uses inetd and is a terminal based notification |
| 12:27.21 | nvz | I prob have a mail client of some kind installed I just don't use it :P |
| 12:27.38 | Bushmills | no, i talked about "biffs" in the general sense |
| 12:28.00 | nvz | doesnt know what biffs are |
| 12:28.24 | nvz | sounds like a quiet flatulation to me |
| 12:29.00 | Bushmills | a term used for mail notifiers. named after a dog |
| 12:29.19 | nvz | makes sense.. dogs fart like that |
| 12:29.33 | EdePopede | from wikipedia.... xbiff, xlbiff, cwbiff, kbiff, gnubiff, wmbiff, imapbiff and xbuffy. The concept also extends outside the Unix world — the AOL "You've got mail" voice could be seen as a talking biff. |
| 12:29.39 | nvz | and chase mailmen |
| 12:29.44 | EdePopede | got an AOL cd around from the old days maybe? |
| 12:29.47 | EdePopede | runs away |
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| 12:31.23 | Bushmills | gets new mail notifications printed on the - otherwise black - wallpaper |
| 12:31.50 | nvz | I'd never see anything on the root window I never look at it :P |
| 12:32.04 | nvz | my terminal is always covering it |
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| 12:33.00 | nvz | back in the glory days when I could still realistically use sawfish I'd had my terminal at like -4, ignored, tasklist/widowlist skip, stretched across the desktop |
| 12:33.01 | Bushmills | i happen to change to another virtual desktop sometimes, they're not all covered with full screen terminals |
| 12:33.02 | EdePopede | Bushmills: wallpaper rotation and image manipulation? or conky? |
| 12:33.13 | nvz | doesnt use virtual desktops |
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| 12:34.07 | Bushmills | neither (for notifications) though conky runs too. but the mail notifier used imagemagick, to plot status information on a otherwise transparent image |
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| 12:35.34 | EdePopede | i was thinking of something similar too, at least for things which don't need constant updates. having some wallpaper where some info would look like a natural part of it. |
| 12:36.25 | Bushmills | that image magick is invoked for such messages is due to service provided by a system called serafena. service is called "event", and is sent from mailserver ove vpn to all machines in the "event" group |
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| 12:37.22 | Bushmills | it's not only incoming email which is printed there. also status information of misc machines in general |
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| 12:38.12 | EdePopede | *sigh* and here we're back at logspam. and annoying the server. why can't that darn dhclient not simply be a good kid and stfu until the server is willing to talk to it again? |
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| 12:38.56 | Bushmills | server is willing to talk all the time, It will reply when asked. |
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| 12:40.03 | Bushmills | imagine you reboot your machine, without releasing the dhcp lease first. were server to ignore your for lease time now, you wouldn't have network |
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| 12:41.37 | EdePopede | so the lease time reported by NetworkManager is meant to be ignored? |
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| 12:42.36 | Bushmills | lease time (specifically, renewal time) is that client knows when to ask again. as suggestion, or warning that lease may expire. |
| 12:42.42 | EdePopede | maybe i could at least get dhclient not to be so chatty |
| 12:43.54 | EdePopede | 2000 of 6000 lines are those requests, that's nuts |
| 12:45.37 | Bushmills | user.log or daemon.log? |
| 12:46.52 | EdePopede | oh nice. and pulseaudio also appearing in user.log during my hd issue this morning and its aftermath. and i wasn't running anything related to sound, unless firefox grabs something at startup and started making trouble |
| 12:47.05 | EdePopede | Bushmills: syslog |
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| 12:47.44 | Bushmills | my syslog hasn't entries related to dhclient |
| 12:47.52 | EdePopede | in user.log i only have those blocks from successful lease updates every 50 minutes or so |
| 12:47.55 | Bushmills | oh sorry, it does |
| 12:48.08 | EdePopede | not too many it seems |
| 12:48.11 | Bushmills | too few to be immediately noticeable |
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| 12:49.03 | EdePopede | DHPACK followed by a "bound" line, would be fine to have only these |
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| 12:49.30 | Bushmills | once about every 8 hours |
| 12:50.22 | Bushmills | matches roughly the "renewal in 35963 seconds."-message |
| 12:50.45 | EdePopede | 8 hours. a dream. |
| 12:51.23 | EdePopede | so yours doesn't seem to ignore the server's value, why does it happen here then? |
| 12:51.35 | EdePopede | btw > ata2.00: exception Emask 0x40 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x80800 action 0x6 frozen |
| 12:51.43 | EdePopede | that's what started it all |
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| 12:52.20 | EdePopede | seemed to have been a contact problem though i can't imagine why. |
| 12:52.37 | Bushmills | no, the opposite. from my dhclient conf, send dhcp-lease-time is commented out, while on server a leasetime of 24h has been set |
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| 12:53.05 | Bushmills | (renewal time is shorter than lease time) |
| 12:54.10 | EdePopede | #send dhcp-lease-time 3600; ### in both locations, /etc and /var/lib/NetworkManager |
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| 12:55.46 | Bushmills | on server it's " option leasetime '24h'" - that's from dnsmasq of OpenWRT |
| 12:55.51 | EdePopede | i think i'll restart the session. in the hope that the keyboard will work as it should then. that's really... GNAH! |
| 12:57.06 | EdePopede | hm, it's my provider's server, so i don't think i can lurk into its configs ;) |
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| 12:57.31 | wwilliam | is this about right? |
| 12:57.33 | wwilliam | for x in *.sh;do parallell -j 10 $x;done |
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| 12:58.09 | EdePopede | should begin again in a few minutes. i'll wait with the restart :) |
| 12:58.28 | Bushmills | you may want to double quote "$x" |
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| 12:58.37 | EdePopede | wwilliam: don't forge... oh :)( |
| 12:59.00 | wwilliam | ? |
| 12:59.11 | EdePopede | filenames may contain spaces |
| 12:59.11 | Habbie | wwilliam, no, that will run one at a time |
| 12:59.18 | oldman | hello |
| 12:59.53 | Habbie | wwilliam, i think you want something like parallel -j 10 sh -- *.sh |
| 13:00.09 | wwilliam | oh OK, thank you. |
| 13:00.21 | wwilliam | Thanks Bushmills I forgot. |
| 13:00.27 | Haohmaru | hm, bios says "hard disk S.M.A.R.T. status bad. immediately back-up your data and replace.." |
| 13:00.53 | Bushmills | Haohmaru: well, you can ignore it, or do it. |
| 13:01.01 | abrock | hm, I tried the following: Create two partitions on the usb key, one (bootable) ext4 for /boot and one vfat for /boot/efi. Mounted them and copied the files from the original boot partition. Then I had apt install the new kernel to the flash drive and ran update-grub and grub-install |
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| 13:01.36 | abrock | still, bios complains that the usb key is not bootable |
| 13:01.37 | Haohmaru | the hdd is big afaik, and there's lots of unused space, what can i do? does linux have some mechanisms to check and perhaps keep using the hdd for a longer time? |
| 13:02.07 | Bushmills | depends on why it's considered failing |
| 13:02.17 | Bushmills | some problems can't be corrected in software |
| 13:02.30 | Haohmaru | yeah, that's why i ask |
| 13:02.32 | wwilliam | Habbie: so i cd to that dir and do parallel -j 10 sh -- *.sh |
| 13:02.41 | EdePopede | Haohmaru: smartmontools. and badblocks. fsck has an option to call badblocks (using it directly for repairing isn't a good idea for sector size or what it was) |
| 13:02.43 | Bushmills | you didn'T ask anything |
| 13:02.44 | Haohmaru | iirc, bad sectors could be worked around |
| 13:02.52 | Bushmills | you just reported what bios said |
| 13:03.08 | jelly | "what can I do" was technically a question! |
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| 13:03.37 | Haohmaru | okay, i'm a little distracted by collegue's youtube playing nasty 2pac music >:/ |
| 13:03.43 | Bushmills | true. i focused on the initial message |
| 13:03.53 | jelly | Haohmaru: what you can do first and foremost is make sure your backups are up to date and valid |
| 13:04.12 | Haohmaru | yeah, i got most of the stuff backed up |
| 13:04.37 | Bushmills | i'd install smartmontools, then look at the report |
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| 13:05.16 | Bushmills | that should give an indication why it's deemed that failure is imminent. |
| 13:05.33 | Bushmills | (assuming that that's what bios report means) |
| 13:05.49 | Haohmaru | hm.. "loading linux 4.19.0-5-rt-amd64 ..." "loading initial ramdisk ..." stays for quite a long time.. |
| 13:06.03 | EdePopede | yeah. added lease entry #3. and restarted the spam as expected. |
| 13:10.16 | Haohmaru | systemd booting things up very slowly.. |
| 13:10.19 | Haohmaru | :/ |
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| 13:12.31 | wwilliam | is this better? find . -type f -name "*.sh"| parallel --citation -j 10 sh -- *.sh |
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| 13:14.56 | Habbie | wwilliam, my man page does not document '--citation', but besides that, passing *.sh to both find and parallel cannot be right |
| 13:15.07 | Haohmaru | okay, i think it's bad.. "ata2.00: failed command: READ DMA EXT" |
| 13:15.53 | wwilliam | To silence this citation notice: run 'parallel --citation'. |
| 13:16.00 | Habbie | ah, ok |
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| 13:16.44 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:17.22 | Bushmills | interrupted? the still present scripts indicate where you left off |
| 13:17.44 | wwilliam | OK Thank you. |
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| 13:22.15 | JustASlacker | yay for defective ssd's |
| 13:22.16 | JustASlacker | March 2019, Firmware Revision XCV10110, Resolved 1.92TB and 3.84TB SKUs may become unresponsive at 1700 hrs. of cumulative Idle Power On Hours. |
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| 13:22.39 | JustASlacker | O_o' |
| 13:23.25 | JustASlacker | lets patch every SSD! |
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| 13:25.02 | Haohmaru | could something like this be caused by the SATA cable? |
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| 13:25.26 | Haohmaru | i kinda doubt it but.. |
| 13:25.53 | jelly | Haohmaru: repeated failed reads are more likely to just be bad sectors |
| 13:26.36 | Haohmaru | okay, i'm trying to install smartmontools.. |
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| 13:27.41 | Haohmaru | iirc back in the win98 days, on FAT32 bad sectors could be checked/found and then marked as bad and you could keep going |
| 13:29.50 | jelly | that can be done with ext2/ext3/ext4 as well (man badblocks) |
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| 13:37.46 | Haohmaru | crap, i need to rtfm a lot for this smartctl thing, gonna have to leave it for tomorrow |
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| 14:30.32 | Akuw | i have a computer with VPN client in one computer, but that client is not available for linux |
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| 14:33.08 | Akuw | so i need to connect to that computer using VPN client to get access to VPN |
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| 14:33.39 | Akuw | Linux Machine -> Windows Machine (with VPN Client) --> Server |
| 14:33.55 | Akuw | i have not idea how to do that |
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| 14:36.18 | nvz | neither do I.. we should hang out.. |
| 14:36.54 | diogenes_ | Akuw, anydesk, teamviewer... |
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| 14:37.11 | Akuw | no man |
| 14:38.04 | nvz | maybe you should ask a question.. one that includes relevant details for someone to provide you with a satisfactory answer |
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| 14:39.07 | nvz | I need to connect to a server at work that uses Proprietary-Shit-VPN that only has a client for Windows, I need to access ssh on that server from linux through my Win10 box.. |
| 14:40.17 | humpled | **citrix** |
| 14:41.00 | nvz | personally the idea of something like putty connecting to the linux box from windows using port forwarding from the linux box to the vpn comes to mind |
| 14:41.14 | nvz | but idk.. cause I have no idea what you're trying to do or what you're using |
| 14:41.23 | nvz | you're being trivially vague and not asking anything |
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| 14:42.18 | nvz | not mentioning what the server runs as far as OS or what you're trying to access, not mentioning what the vpn is.. etc |
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| 14:42.52 | diogenes_ | so what do you think guys of GIMP fork, now we gonna have GIMP and Glimpse. |
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| 14:44.19 | lf94 | Terrible. |
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| 14:44.24 | nvz | never heard of it, but if someone forked gimp just to rename it thats dumb as a sack of hammers and its more a social conversation for #debian-offtopic |
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| 14:45.54 | deadrom | hi |
| 14:46.19 | deadrom | can I make dd and ddrescue not use buffers but directly write to the target device, say when dd'ing an iso to a thumb drive? |
| 14:47.47 | nvz | deadrom: iflag=nocache oflag=nocache |
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| 14:49.06 | deadrom | nvz: thanks |
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| 14:53.53 | jelly | deadrom: make sure your bs= or obs= is large so you don't kill the usb stick with lots of small writes |
| 14:54.40 | jelly | 4M or so |
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| 15:40.03 | ZaZaGX | i just found out something |
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| 15:42.01 | SerajewelKS | the fifth dentist caved and now they all recommend trident? |
| 15:43.20 | humpled | somewhere in a parallel dimension that comment makes perfect sense |
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| 15:44.18 | ZaZaGX | everyone of you guys on here are nerds |
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| 15:46.42 | Butt3rfly | would you prefer a spud? |
| 15:46.53 | Brklyn | Hey all... quick question I've got a deb repo I had been managing with the (sadly no-longer maintained deb-s3 ruby package). Today due to an error in a script I accidentally created a new component `pkg/foo` alonside the `main` component. I've been able to remove tha package associated with the new component, but I'm now unable to remove it from the Release file. How would you guys go about removing this? |
| 15:47.17 | ZaZaGX | i'm not a nerd |
| 15:47.45 | Brklyn | I currently have `somerepo.io/dists/nightly/Release` with references to `pkg/foo` :( |
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| 16:19.25 | deadrom | is there a user friendly (web server) NAS distro on debian base that takes care of raid and monitoring and email alerts? |
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| 16:26.39 | jhutchins_wk | deadrom: No. |
| 16:26.56 | jhutchins_wk | Why would that proces involve a web server? |
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| 16:28.26 | pasiz | allow user to make bad choices graphically |
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| 16:39.46 | jhutchins_wk | deadrom: Actually, I'm pretty sure consumer-grade NAS usually has a web interface. I'd be surprised if it could send mail. |
| 16:40.05 | jhutchins_wk | Probably has a buggy Windows widget that it communicates to. |
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| 16:40.44 | greycat | If it has a web interface, there's a very strong chance there's a couple of fields where you can configure a "smart host" and an email address to receive notifications. |
| 16:41.14 | deadrom | it's for a friend who isn't that deep into linux. So I could set up a rig and configure it all, but in error case, well. |
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| 16:41.41 | deadrom | but ok, so debian corssed off the list, ok |
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| 16:42.14 | pasiz | deadrom: with linux nas4free |
| 16:42.41 | pasiz | with -> without |
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| 16:43.15 | pasiz | and with linux rockstor and openfiler are quite you are looking |
| 16:43.27 | deadrom | worth a look. I was after FreeNAS, but creating bootable media fails already for not so clever reasons that I'm not convinced |
| 16:43.38 | deadrom | will check these out, thanks |
| 16:43.44 | jhutchins_wk | deadrom: Actually, there's a good chance there's at least one out there that uses debian, but there's no feedback to the project when somebody uses debian. |
| 16:43.52 | pasiz | deadrom: what kind of hardware |
| 16:44.06 | deadrom | pasiz: HP microserver gen7 |
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| 16:48.43 | pasiz | deadrom: with that ram, you can forget using zfs |
| 16:48.57 | deadrom | has 8gb |
| 16:49.28 | deadrom | but zfs is no requirement, it's for private use, store a few photos and music and whatnot for maybe 3 users |
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| 16:50.35 | pasiz | deadrom: but with freenas you cannot use nothing but zfs |
| 16:50.40 | deadrom | data integrity is key, and after 15 years of home storage use I know debian serves me best when it comes to raid. plain old raid1 with xfs or ext4, nothing fancy, KISS principle |
| 16:51.27 | deadrom | pasiz: news to me. I'm fairly certain it offers "dumb" raid1, too. i'll check that |
| 16:51.40 | pasiz | deadrom: yes, it offers, via zfs |
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| 16:52.12 | pasiz | but with different mechanism than normal raid |
| 16:53.01 | pasiz | raid 1 is not so space friendly on bigger pools. And with 2 disks you get no redundancy on disk failure situations |
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| 16:53.46 | deadrom | um, with 2 disks in raid1 I have a working disk left if the other fails. for me that's redundancy |
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| 16:54.43 | pasiz | redundancy come critical on recovery time. I lost one medium sized raid5 pool on rebuild, when other disk failed. |
| 16:55.14 | pasiz | but that was just 10.2TB of data |
| 16:55.24 | greycat | yes, 2-disk RAID 1 gives you single disk redundancy. you can survive 1 failure at a time. |
| 16:56.44 | antto | !backports |
| 16:56.44 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 16:57.14 | pasiz | greycat: but added io in resilvering causes often the other disk failure, they are often same batch |
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| 16:57.30 | pasiz | run same time and get same vibrations on same machine |
| 16:58.03 | antto | hm, if i have a chunk of (related) packages currently installed from stable, and i want to install the newer versions from backports - do i have to remove the current version before installing the backported stuff? or will synaptic figure it out automagically |
| 16:58.05 | greycat | My coworkers in the hardware ordering department like to buy disks from different batches/vendors to minimize the chances of them all failing at once. |
| 16:58.29 | pasiz | greycat: that's wise buying |
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| 16:59.28 | dvs | greycat, wouldn't that make RAID arrays a bit difficult if the disks have slightly different sizes? |
| 17:00.07 | greycat | as long as the replacements are >= the size of the original, it's fine |
| 17:01.16 | SerajewelKS | i think the idea of getting the same model is to try to get them to have close write/seek times |
| 17:02.10 | SerajewelKS | otherwise writes will wind up being slower |
| 17:05.26 | pasiz | SerajewelKS: If you compare two enterprise grade disks from different manufacturers, how much difference you think there is in seek and write times? |
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| 17:07.07 | jhutchins_wk | antto: No, that will be handled by the installer. The backport version tells the installer it's an upgrade. |
| 17:07.17 | antto | nice |
| 17:07.22 | antto | thanks |
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| 17:12.29 | SerajewelKS | pasiz: in a mirror, even if it's off by as little as 1% during large sequential writes, one of the disks will get ahead of the other and seek backwards. that will then cause the other drive to have to stop writing and seek backwards as well. |
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| 17:14.26 | greycat | "large sequential writes" sounds like a niche application |
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| 17:15.27 | pasiz | greycat: like dd from /dev/null to samba server that have mistakenly sync enabled |
| 17:15.38 | greycat | because that's something you do every day? |
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| 18:17.57 | porton | Remind me how SSH keys are set on a Debian Server right after installation? |
| 18:18.11 | porton | are SSH keys generated automatically? |
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| 18:18.21 | greycat | They are, yes. During the package postinst, IIRC. |
| 18:18.30 | porton | where are they placed? |
| 18:18.46 | greycat | /etc/ssh/ |
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| 18:19.14 | greycat | ... yes, there's a function named create_keys in /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst |
| 18:19.25 | dvs | /etc/ssl/private ? |
| 18:19.31 | greycat | No. |
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| 18:20.08 | porton_ | I can login with root + /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub - right? |
| 18:20.19 | porton_ | or which of the several keys to use? |
| 18:20.55 | greycat | porton_: the keys in /etc/ssh/ are the HOST keys, for identifying the host and avoiding man-in-the-middle attacks. They are not for individual account authorizations. |
| 18:21.13 | greycat | porton_: if you're trying to use key authentication, you have to perform the steps ourself |
| 18:21.16 | porton_ | greycat: so the root key is created automatically or not? |
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| 18:22.26 | porton_ | is there any package to automate root key creation? |
| 18:22.56 | rwp | porton_, Run: ssh-keygen |
| 18:23.00 | porton_ | I am writing a .deb which will among other transmit (if the user types "yes") the admin's pubkey to our server |
| 18:23.11 | greycat | porton_: I think you're seriously confused about a number of issues here. |
| 18:23.19 | porton_ | ? |
| 18:23.41 | porton_ | we have small embedded nodes and I want to store their keys on my server |
| 18:23.56 | rwp | If it is your own local deb package then of course it can do anything. Violate Policy. Whatever. But no Debian package is allowed to touch user keys. |
| 18:24.00 | greycat | Are you trying to login *to* your Debian system as root using a key auth from a (possibly non-Debian) client system, or are you trying to perform key auth ssh logins *from* your Debian system to other (possibly non-Debian) servers? |
| 18:24.10 | porton_ | surely local |
| 18:24.25 | porton_ | login *to* Debian |
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| 18:24.54 | greycat | porton_: Then you need to generate your key pair on the CLIENT system, and upload the public key (only) to the DEBIAN system. |
| 18:25.08 | porton_ | I know |
| 18:25.17 | rwp | greycat, porton_ is trying to create a local deb package that will generate a local root user key and then upload the public key to another location so that the other location can log back in. |
| 18:25.18 | jhutchins_wk | porton_: The root user does not have keys by default. In order to connect from your local host, you generate the user keys there and copy the public key to the target server. |
| 18:25.26 | greycat | Key auth begins with generating a key pair on a client system, and allows you to tell various servers around the world "this public key is mine". |
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| 18:25.43 | greycat | It is not tied to a server. You have it backwards. |
| 18:25.50 | greycat | A key is tied to a CLIENT. |
| 18:25.50 | porton_ | I know |
| 18:26.12 | porton_ | so I run ssh-keygen as root and it does the task? Does ssh-keygen ask for any input? |
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| 18:26.42 | rwp | porton_, Read the fine manual for ssh-keygen to see that you can add options for the interactive questions and then it can be fully automated. |
| 18:26.46 | porton_ | On Amazon S3 I had admin user created automatically, but on Digital Ocean I had no admin user, why? |
| 18:26.47 | greycat | You run ssh-keygen as WHOEVER THE HELL YOU WANT on the CLIENT and then you put the pub key in whatever account you want to login AS on the SERVER. And if the target account is root you ALSO have to enable that in sshd_config. |
| 18:27.06 | rwp | porton_, That is a Digital Ocean question. |
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| 18:27.28 | porton_ | rwp: But what happens with this with the official Debian installer? |
| 18:27.30 | rwp | Sounds like a preference choice. Some prefer it one way. Some prefer it the other way. But you can always do as you wish yourself of course. |
| 18:27.48 | rwp | porton_, The official Debian installer will NOT create host keys. That is not its job. |
| 18:28.08 | porton_ | rwp: I ask whether it creates "admin" user automatically |
| 18:28.11 | rwp | porton_, The Amazon and Digital Ocean installation images have additional tinkering added to them by the people who created those images. |
| 18:28.33 | Bushmills | porton_: " ... transmit (if the user types "yes") the admin's pubkey to our server" - there's a kind of catch 22 situation here: in order to transmit the key to server, some sort of access to server is needed. If the key is part of the mechanism to access the server, it can't be transmitted as long as it's not on the server. |
| 18:28.35 | rwp | Digital Ocean as I recall will add your host key to it if you have that set up in the DO web page for them. |
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| 18:29.04 | rwp | I might imagine a web page anonymous upload mechanism... |
| 18:29.17 | Bushmills | therefore you need some other, additional mechanism to transmit the key |
| 18:29.18 | rwp | There is no security issue for the server being uploaded to. Only for the client. |
| 18:29.19 | porton_ | Bushmills: It isn't: I am creating the key for the client not for the server, the server's API key (not SSH key) is not secret |
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| 18:29.39 | Bushmills | even if not secret, there's still access needed |
| 18:29.58 | rwp | porton_, The host key is not a secret. But how does it upload? That would need a login. Or something like an anonymous web page upload. |
| 18:30.04 | greycat | You dojn't |
| 18:30.06 | porton_ | Bushmills: I have already written the .deb for the server that does the task |
| 18:30.07 | Bushmills | or I could just put my public key on your server, and thereby gain access to it. |
| 18:30.08 | greycat | You don't "upload a host key". |
| 18:30.32 | porton_ | rwp: I upload through my own Web API |
| 18:30.36 | greycat | Unless your host is supposed to be a drop-in replacement for another host, and you're cloning the old host's host keys onto the new replacement host. |
| 18:30.50 | rwp | porton_, Yes. That is what I was imagining. That will work. |
| 18:31.08 | porton_ | so I need to create admin user myself? |
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| 18:31.22 | rwp | porton_, No. The root user is already created. |
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| 18:31.32 | porton_ | rwp: "admin", not "root" |
| 18:31.48 | porton_ | can I obtain somewhere the Amazon's code for creating "admin" automatically? |
| 18:31.49 | rwp | porton_, It scares me to hear these very basic questions about this particular topic. |
| 18:32.17 | porton_ | rwp: I didn't install Debian 100 times, I don't remember the details |
| 18:32.29 | rwp | porton_, There are two magic users in the system. 1) "root" 2) all others. There is no admin user. |
| 18:32.43 | greycat | There is no "admin" user in a default Debian installation. |
| 18:32.48 | Bushmills | by "admin", you mean superuser? the root user? |
| 18:32.50 | greycat | You are free to create one yourself. |
| 18:32.52 | porton_ | rwp: in Amazon "admin" user is created automatically |
| 18:33.19 | rwp | In Amazon they create a non-root "admin" user that has sudo priviledge if I recall correctly. |
| 18:33.27 | Bushmills | or do you refer to users in an "admin" group? |
| 18:33.33 | rwp | Which is a particularly annoying way to do things. |
| 18:33.34 | greycat | That's specific to Amazon, then. |
| 18:33.34 | porton_ | rwp: correctly |
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| 18:33.45 | porton_ | Bushmills: no |
| 18:33.54 | Bushmills | neither? |
| 18:34.16 | Bushmills | in that case I have no idea what "admin" relates to |
| 18:34.25 | porton_ | Bushmills: what neither? "admin" there is a user, not a group |
| 18:34.33 | greycat | in Debian, any user in the "sudo" group can run any command through sudo, using password auth |
| 18:34.47 | porton_ | Bushmills: "admin" is a user created by amazon automatically |
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| 18:34.55 | porton_ | greycat: I know |
| 18:34.58 | rwp | IIRC the person who created the Amazon AMI set up this indirection that never made any sense to me. I always undid it immediately. |
| 18:35.12 | Bushmills | there is no "admin" user in my Debian installation |
| 18:35.15 | humpled | wasn't this the windows way |
| 18:35.28 | porton_ | greycat: I ask only what happens after the installation finishes if nothing other is yet done, I know all what is afterwards |
| 18:35.44 | greycat | After the installation finishes, nothing happens. The system runs if you turn it on. |
| 18:35.51 | porton_ | Personally I like the amazon's way |
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| 18:36.22 | rwp | In an Amazon AMI: /etc/sudoers.d/90-cloud-init-users:admin ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL |
| 18:36.23 | porton_ | greycat: after installation finishes everything happens as the users begin to do something |
| 18:36.23 | Bushmills | then you may want to install the "Amazon" Linux distribution |
| 18:36.33 | Bushmills | it seems to differ from Debian |
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| 18:36.50 | porton_ | Bushmills: Is there Amazon for ARM? |
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| 18:37.07 | humpled | if you're the first user and root has no password, you probably are a sudoer, so just change your name to admin |
| 18:37.08 | Bushmills | I have no idea. I use Debian, which exists for ARM |
| 18:37.09 | greycat | if you want to create an "admin" user on Debian, just create it yourself. |
| 18:37.24 | rwp | Bushmills, The person who created the Debian AMI for Amazon is a Debian person. I forget off the top of my head. It is discussed in the debian-cloud mailing list. But they agreed to do it this unusual way that differs from the stock install. |
| 18:38.30 | rwp | Personally I do not like it. Because among other things the confusion it creates. As we are seeing right here right now. Bah! Humbug! |
| 18:38.57 | porton_ | It would be nice to GENERATE a password for root on installation, but it seems impossible without modifying the system :-( |
| 18:39.20 | Bushmills | To me "Admin" sounds like a name chosen for less alienation of Microsoft OS users. |
| 18:39.23 | rwp | porton_, Everything you do as an admin will modify the system. If you are not comfortable doing that then... |
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| 18:40.19 | porton_ | I am afraid I need to create my own ISO :-( because how then to explain to the person installing the system how to choose root password and where to write it down |
| 18:40.23 | rwp | Instead of "admin" think "pi" as used in Raspbian for the Pis and that will be a better analogy to it. |
| 18:40.34 | Bushmills | And in fact, "root" is a somewhat ambiguous name. Can relate to file system top level, or to user with max privileges level. |
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| 18:40.46 | porton_ | is there an EASY way to create a new .iso? |
| 18:40.51 | porton_ | I mean installer |
| 18:41.00 | rwp | If you have to ask then... no. There isn't. |
| 18:41.08 | porton_ | BTW, what is the difference of Raspbian? |
| 18:41.20 | greycat | ask #raspbian |
| 18:41.22 | Bushmills | about the same as the difference between a crocodile |
| 18:41.23 | rwp | Not for any GNU/Linux distribution. Not for Windows. Not for Mac. Does not exist. |
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| 18:41.54 | porton_ | I just want to add some new packages to the base system |
| 18:42.04 | Bushmills | !apt |
| 18:42.04 | dpkg | Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>. |
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| 18:43.18 | porton_ | Bushmills: apt is not enough, because I want the system behavior to be modified while the system is yet installing (not to ask for root password but instead generate root SSH key and use my API to upload it to my server) |
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| 18:44.19 | greycat | ... that is not how .... GAH, never mind. I am speaking to a brick wall. |
| 18:44.54 | rwp | There is "preseed" functionality available. But I think that would be an advanced topic. Instead since you have mentioned both Amazon and Digital Ocean I suggest using cloud-init to run a script to do this for you. It is very straight forward that way. |
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| 18:44.57 | greycat | He's apparently ACCUSTOMED TO a very specific, incredibly security-broken scenario and will accept nothing else. |
| 18:45.13 | cha18 | !apt myths |
| 18:45.13 | dpkg | Myths about APT never seem to die, the principal one being you can't mix using different APT front-ends like apt-get and aptitude. This is false. If you need further convincing, see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9 and http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/ . See also <why aptitude> and <why not aptitude> for real reasons to choose one over the other. |
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| 18:45.20 | Bushmills | so you can't login into the system as root, but the system can login as root to the remote server? that concept sounds a but unusual. |
| 18:46.07 | porton_ | Bushmills: I want to be able to login to my newly installed system as root with a key but not a password (or better yet either with key or AUTOGENERATED password) |
| 18:46.15 | rwp | Bushmills, I didn't hear that in what porton_ said. What I heard was that he has a web interface where he can upload a file to and then it will be put into use from there. |
| 18:46.26 | porton_ | without asking the userr anything during installation |
| 18:46.34 | Bushmills | but that has nothing to do with the system not asking for a root password during installation |
| 18:46.49 | rwp | porton_, You need to use cloud-init to run a script at install time. It will do what you want. |
| 18:46.50 | Bushmills | there are two different systems involved |
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| 18:46.57 | porton_ | Bushmills: I asked how to create my own .iso |
| 18:47.29 | porton_ | rwp: no, it is not a cloud system. I mentioned Amazon and Digital Ocean just as similar examples |
| 18:47.42 | Bushmills | !growisofs |
| 18:47.42 | dpkg | growisofs is a program for burning DVD images, it can also create a data DVD on-the-fly. Packaged for Debian in dvd+rw-tools. http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ See also <wodim>. |
| 18:47.50 | greycat | "It's not a cloud system but I mentioned cloud systems as examples" |
| 18:47.50 | porton_ | it is a physical ARM SBC |
| 18:47.59 | greycat | "just to confuse everyone" |
| 18:48.22 | rwp | porton_, Okay. Then I still stick with that suggestion. Run a script of your creation that does what you want. Run it at installation time. If this is on your own LAN and you have control of the DHCP server then set up a preseed to run it automatically. |
| 18:48.24 | porton_ | Bushmills: the question is not about how to write .iso (I know this), but how to create the image with my own installer |
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| 18:49.01 | greycat | because the guy who doesn't know how ssh host keys and ssh user auth keys work is going to create his own installer |
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| 18:50.03 | rwp | porton_, Because of the questions you are asking I assess that the difficulty level of creating your own custom image is too much. Just run a script. It is easier. You can be successful doing what you want running a script. |
| 18:50.06 | Bushmills | put the files of the stock installer into a directory tree of your choice, modify what you need to modify, create a new iso from it. growisofs can do that,btw. |
| 18:50.33 | Bushmills | there's also debian live |
| 18:50.36 | Bushmills | !live |
| 18:50.37 | dpkg | live is, like, The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system (although the installer is better to use). Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. <UEFI> mode is supported by Debian Live images. |
| 18:50.53 | greycat | Bushmills: I believe there's more to it than that, because Debian's installer images are not pure ISO 9660s. They're some hybrid thing so they can also be used on USB devices. |
| 18:50.59 | porton_ | rwp: how is this related to DHCP? |
| 18:51.39 | porton_ | greycat: I know how SSH works, I just forgot they are in ~root - stupid error |
| 18:52.18 | rwp | At installation time the debian-installer DHCP's information from the DHCP server. Among them being a possible preseed file. The preseed file allows much automation. |
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| 18:52.37 | porton_ | rwp: more details on preseed? |
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| 18:53.01 | rwp | Let me google that for you: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/apbs02.html.en |
| 18:53.22 | Bushmills | the debian live builder ought to take care of hybrid boot capabilites. Whether porton_ requires a hybrid image, or "just" a cd bootable iso image, is not know to me, therefore I assume CD |
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| 18:54.04 | porton_ | Bushmills: USB stick |
| 18:54.10 | porton_ | under my complete control |
| 18:55.08 | Bushmills | then I suppose the "allows creation of your own" of Debian Live is what you're after |
| 18:55.40 | porton_ | Bushmills: WHO allows? |
| 18:56.01 | Bushmills | the factoid I was calling up for you earlier on |
| 18:56.27 | rwp | porton_, One can set up a preseed to run a script at the end of the installation and in the script you can do anything you want there. |
| 18:56.31 | porton_ | Where to start read on how to create my own installer? |
| 18:56.38 | cha18 | google |
| 18:56.46 | cha18 | just type it in and read everything |
| 18:56.46 | Bushmills | about 10 cm above |
| 18:56.47 | rwp | Example: d-i preseed/late_command string wget -O/target/var/tmp/bootstrap http://foo.example.com/bootstrap; in-target sh /var/tmp/bootstrap |
| 18:57.23 | humpled | lets hope this isn't for Porton Down |
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| 18:57.56 | porton_ | humpled: at worst toy car attack :-( |
| 18:58.01 | porton_ | :-) meant |
| 18:58.37 | greycat | !d-i |
| 18:58.37 | dpkg | Information about the development of the debian-installer is at the developers page http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>. |
| 18:58.54 | greycat | ignore all the crap that Bushmills spammed for the last 10 minutes |
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| 19:02.00 | porton_ | I am afraid DHCP is not an option. The server is in Internet, not local network |
| 19:02.37 | porton_ | is it easy to put d-i into my own installer (with the only modification of adding the d-i) rather that to use DHCP? |
| 19:02.42 | alkisg | If you're doing your own cd, you can pass preseed options anywhere, e.g. from the kernel cmdline |
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| 19:02.59 | porton_ | great, it seems not too hard |
| 19:06.20 | porton_ | so I just add the preseed file (or is it called d-i?) to my ISO file and modify kernel params? and voila, my magic distribution is ready? |
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| 19:06.40 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 19:07.38 | porton_ | greycat: I just want to install some my own packages, remove root password, add key, and upload this key automatically to our server. Is it bad? Why *plonk*? |
| 19:08.55 | porton_ | is typical video cam on ARM SBC supported well? (without too much CPU load, I mean) |
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| 19:15.42 | karlpinc | porton_: greycat is suggesting you ask on #debian-boot. (I think) |
| 19:15.57 | greycat | I'm no longer suggesting anything. |
| 19:17.43 | karlpinc | porton_: (I've not read any backhistory. If you want to use the debian installer to do something "custom" there should be instructions in the manual. If you have a specific question (I tried foo, it did bar, I know because baz.) you should be able to get help here.) |
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| 19:53.02 | ezcape | Hi. Is it possible to reinstall the grub from the netinstaller. I installed Debian and then Windows. |
| 19:53.11 | greycat | !fixgrub |
| 19:53.11 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 19:53.45 | ezcape | Live disk, and not the netinstaller? |
| 19:55.17 | greycat | "install disk/live CD" includes both |
| 19:55.54 | greycat | basically, any Linux-based system that you can boot, which can see and mount your file systems, will probably suffice |
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| 19:56.04 | ezcape | great |
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| 20:18.48 | deadrom | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.27 | deadrom | which it was when the first disk hiccuped. now - I did not re-add it so I wonder how it is [UU] now and if it is safe to --readwrite that md |
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| 20:39.51 | greycat | Heh. http://cr.yp.to/qmail/qmailsec-20071101.pdf "I am also assuming that the CPU does not leak secret information from one process to another. This assumption is debatable." |
| 20:40.38 | ZaZaGX | greycat, it says your an op here |
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| 20:48.22 | bouba | plz what the command to run steam from terminal? |
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| 20:50.17 | ZaZaGX | bouba, don't you have to use a web browser? |
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| 20:55.18 | bouba | ty ZaZaGX |
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| 20:57.30 | humpled | so you can run <browsername> <steam url> in terminal? |
| 20:58.22 | bouba | i want start steamos from terminal. |
| 20:58.50 | ZaZaGX | ohhh |
| 20:59.10 | bouba | steamos is installed in my pc. |
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| 21:00.37 | ZaZaGX | i only see steam-devices |
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| 21:02.44 | ZaZaGX | bouba, https://packages.debian.org/buster/i386/steam/download |
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| 21:03.37 | bouba | ZaZaGX, steamos is installed in my machine. |
| 21:03.50 | ZaZaGX | i thought you wanted steam |
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| 21:04.20 | bouba | i want start steam from terminal. |
| 21:04.33 | ZaZaGX | ohhh |
| 21:04.48 | ZaZaGX | so you have steam or steam os installed in your debian machine? |
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| 21:05.16 | bouba | yes. |
| 21:05.59 | greycat | !steamos |
| 21:05.59 | dpkg | SteamOS is an operating system released by Valve as a gaming platform, based on Debian 7 "Wheezy". It is not supported in #debian, support is available in #steamOS on irc.freenode.net or at http://support.steampowered.com/ . See <based on debian>. |
| 21:06.18 | ZaZaGX | # chmod +x /home/<username>/.steam/steam/steamapps/common/<game>/ |
| 21:07.19 | bouba | the permissions are already allowed . exuse me i my eglish is poor. |
| 21:07.41 | greycat | Then run it. |
| 21:08.07 | greycat | Just type what you want to run, for which you claim the permissions are already set, which means you have already DETERMINED WHAT THE PATH IS, so just type that path, and press enter. |
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| 21:10.40 | bouba | greycat, +1 /usr/games/steam ... and execution ty |
| 21:11.06 | bouba | ty all so |
| 21:16.29 | ZaZaGX | i can't find it on google. what features will Debian 10.1 will have? |
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| 21:38.27 | znull | hi guys, why so many packages my debian want to install? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nrD4YvFzTH/ |
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| 21:40.46 | znull | i found the issue |
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| 21:42.20 | deadrom | znull: by all means, don't bother telling anybody |
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| 21:43.26 | znull | deadrom, /etc/apt/apt.conf APT::Install-Recommends "0"; APT::Install-Suggests "0"; it was 1 so i changed to 0 |
| 21:44.05 | karlpinc | znull: That's usually a poor idea. Of course you can do as you like. |
| 21:44.25 | humpled | but that's quite a diverse list |
| 21:44.30 | deadrom | I just wanted to say. if debian suggests all this, it does it for a reason |
| 21:44.32 | znull | karlpinc, well 3gb for libreoffice was weird |
| 21:44.54 | znull | 3 gb? nvidia-packages ? i dont have any nvidia card |
| 21:44.59 | karlpinc | libreoffice has a whole lot of functionality, including java stuff. |
| 21:45.22 | humpled | does libreoffice usually depend on apache, all that java, intellij, nvidia, cuda... |
| 21:45.29 | humpled | okay |
| 21:45.46 | humpled | anti-virus, mail client |
| 21:46.08 | karlpinc | znull: Perhaps you need to do an "upgrade" without trying to install stuff, there may also be other things apt wants to install. |
| 21:46.26 | znull | tomcat9 ? php |
| 21:46.43 | coruja | znull, that paste says that there is a pending upgrade, maybe finish that first? and what kind of upgrade is it? |
| 21:47.11 | deadrom | is it debian or ubuntu? |
| 21:47.38 | znull | coruja, i dont want to install php tomcat |
| 21:48.04 | znull | https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/D5RdCbznKJ/ |
| 21:49.10 | humpled | well there are several parts, there's the word processor, spreadsheet, design... |
| 21:49.11 | coruja | ok, looks fine now (besides the horrible list of 3rd party repos) |
| 21:49.57 | karlpinc | znull: (3rd party repos are usually also a bad idea) |
| 21:50.07 | znull | karlpinc, i got only 3 |
| 21:50.26 | znull | docker.list nextcloud.list skype-stable.list virtualbox.list nginx.list |
| 21:50.27 | znull | 5 sorry |
| 21:50.30 | deadrom | what's with the buster and stretch mix? |
| 21:50.34 | coruja | 7 |
| 21:51.21 | znull | and some 3rd repos are not used.. |
| 21:51.33 | coruja | znull, now installing libreoffice looks better? |
| 21:51.47 | znull | coruja, yeah 300 mb vs 3gb |
| 21:51.48 | coruja | znull, then disable or delete them |
| 21:52.16 | znull | coruja, will do now. |
| 21:52.24 | deadrom | does debian use snaps or something similar? |
| 21:53.16 | BCMM | deadrom: *recommended* packages should usually be installed. *suggested* packages are different. |
| 21:53.28 | BCMM | the default is not to install suggested packages |
| 21:53.46 | deadrom | znull: was recommends or suggests on 1? |
| 21:53.51 | znull | i have one error, when starting knotes or other services who depends on akonadi services |
| 21:53.54 | znull | deadrom, was 1 |
| 21:53.58 | deadrom | WHICH? |
| 21:54.04 | coruja | but 3 gb for only libreoffice would be weird or even sick |
| 21:54.20 | znull | f APT::Install-Recommends "0"; APT::Install-Suggests "0 both |
| 21:54.24 | deadrom | ah |
| 21:54.26 | deadrom | there |
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| 21:56.04 | deadrom | wouldn't want a Tomcat and php I don't need either. but znull , once install is through re-enable "recommended" and see if the result is reasonable. like the others said, that should be in |
| 21:56.26 | znull | https://ibb.co/GHzLbTz anyone knows how can i debug this ? |
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| 22:00.00 | bigMouthCommie | running into disk space problems, randomly nuking log and cache files isnt helping. nuked wine out of /usr/lib, nuked files off of /home (separate partition) and bash still throws errors on tab-completion whining about disk space |
| 22:00.16 | bigMouthCommie | any suggestions about how i can find the offending dir and clear up some space? |
| 22:00.48 | bigMouthCommie | (still on debian 9 but the entropy is building so i'll be upgrading soon. i just need to be able to continue to use the machine a little while longer |
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| 22:02.09 | ayekat | "nuked wine out of /usr/lib" - like... how? just rm'd it manually?? O_o |
| 22:03.28 | coruja | bigMouthCommie, one method would be to 'du -sh' through directories |
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| 22:04.12 | ayekat | also df -h, to find which filesystem is actually the problematic one (as you've mentioned /home is on a separate partition) |
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| 22:04.37 | ayekat | but +1 for good old `du -sh` (piped into `sort -h` ^^) |
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| 22:06.03 | humpled | yasss |
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| 22:07.05 | humpled | if it happens again soon after making space doesn't that mean something is filling it up |
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| 22:15.15 | ayekat | or the error might just not be accurate - why would bash tab-completion complain about disk space, for instance? |
| 22:16.21 | ayekat | (inb4 their /dev/null is just a regular file) |
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| 22:42.30 | nvz | for some reason when I'm away from home I'm unable to connect to my server via mosh I get "mosh: Nothing received from server on UDP port 13380." but I am still able to connect over ssh |
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| 22:43.21 | nvz | I have no firewall rules on the server and obviously the ssh port is forwarded |
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| 22:43.30 | nvz | I'm not sure what the issue could be |
| 22:44.30 | nvz | hmm nm.. duh.. I may not have the mosh port forwarded through the router /me checks |
| 22:45.47 | swift110 | hey all |
| 22:46.15 | koollman | nvz: udp filtered out ? |
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| 22:46.37 | nvz | appears I didnt forward the mosh port I'm using |
| 22:47.05 | nvz | I have UDP 60000-600005 UDP forwarded and idk why |
| 22:49.45 | nvz | I setup a buncha crap most of which I didnt wind up using |
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| 22:50.30 | nvz | this router doesn't have a field to put what the ports are for so idk wth I was thinking when I forwarded those ports |
| 22:50.54 | nvz | only things UDP I can think of I was planning was mosh and vpn |
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| 22:56.40 | nvz | idk what I thought I needed 6 ports for though |
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| 22:59.16 | bigMouthCommie | i followed the example here for setting up a stable system https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap but it was just two lines, and both completed without errors |
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| 23:03.34 | bigMouthCommie | is there anything i need to do?? |
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| 23:03.53 | bigMouthCommie | like i did this before and i seem to remember using chroot |
| 23:06.48 | f-a | I modified my /etc/apt/sources.list to buster and tried to dist-upgrade |
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| 23:07.00 | f-a | oh boy, too much to download for me right now |
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| 23:07.26 | f-a | can I switch back /etc/apt/sources.list to stretch without any problem? |
| 23:08.02 | f-a | (to reformulate: I ran update but did not ran dist-upgrade (stopped before "Do you want to continue? [Y/n]")) |
| 23:09.30 | coruja | yes, then apt update again |
| 23:09.49 | f-a | thanks |
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| 23:25.00 | zoredache | bigMouthCommie: kinda depends on what your actual end goal is. Those first two commands on that page would create a directory with a pretty bare-bones base install. If you needed to boot it, you would need to do more. |
| 23:25.23 | bigMouthCommie | i want to install deb10 as a fresh install on a machine 2 miles away from me without leaving my chair |
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| 23:27.05 | swift110 | bigMouthCommie, that would be amazing I would love to do that myself |
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