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| 00:04.31 | uio1 | Hi. On a thinkpad X61 here, XFCE, Buster. I set notification for 20% battery left and it just powered out at 8% with no notif. How can I fix this? |
| 00:05.08 | Chex | wow to 12 year old laptops |
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| 00:05.54 | uio | Chex, Replaced the battery, upgraded to 4 Gb RAM. Works good. Except for dying like that. |
| 00:06.06 | uio | Is this an XFCE issue? |
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| 00:20.44 | detre | anyone know how to set a Linux server with lamp stack to respond to hostname in the browser address bar instead of the ip address on a local network? |
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| 00:25.49 | karlpinc | bigMouthCommie: There's an ssh option once you get the install going. But I'm not sure how you'd get it started. Of course if you're starting from a system that runs debootstrap then.... |
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| 00:27.03 | karlpinc | detre: You'd need to setup DNS on the local network. Usually something like unbound plus nsd, or just bind. |
| 00:27.40 | karlpinc | detre: That also means configuring your dhcp server to tell clients to use the dns server you run. |
| 00:27.57 | detre | I keep hearing that, but i have a unraid server that did it automatically without any editing of my dns settings |
| 00:28.31 | detre | unraid is a NAS orientated version of slankware |
| 00:28.42 | karlpinc | detre: If you want only 1 box to access the webserver you can use /etc/hosts. |
| 00:28.45 | detre | slackware* |
| 00:29.03 | karlpinc | detre: Maybe it has a dns server in it. |
| 00:29.18 | detre | karlpinc: I want any device connected to the local network to be able access it |
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| 00:29.30 | detre | built in dns? |
| 00:29.39 | detre | hmmm |
| 00:30.05 | karlpinc | detre: Sure. (It's probably running one of the dns servers mentioned above.) |
| 00:30.24 | karlpinc | detre: The dns server does not have to be a separate box/vm/whatever. |
| 00:31.45 | karlpinc | detre: There's also various "automatic" options that are supposed to make a network "easy". mdns and that autoconfig-ie thingie from apple come to mind. |
| 00:32.11 | karlpinc | detre: IMO may as well run a dns server. YMMV. |
| 00:32.27 | detre | thanks for pointing me in the right direction |
| 00:33.03 | detre | I run asuswrt merlin on my router, i think it has one |
| 00:33.13 | karlpinc | (There might even be something wonky to be done with a dhcp option, although that sounds strange.) |
| 00:33.38 | karlpinc | detre: It probably has a caching nameserver it uses to deliver names to the lan. |
| 00:34.10 | karlpinc | dnsmasq probably |
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| 00:46.21 | tabemann | !debian-next |
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| 01:04.57 | RandomSerb | hello. I've a spare pc, just installed debian on it. Which software would you recommend to make this new server so that I can easily manage it as VPS's |
| 01:05.50 | RandomSerb | as in, I want to be able to create VPSs for each of my projects. I mostly work with python/nginx. |
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| 01:14.26 | somiaj | RandomSerb: do you actually want to run separate virtual machines (with just saying python/nginx I don't see any need for this) |
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| 01:14.39 | somiaj | if you just want multiple websites, would the multisite feature of nginx work? |
| 01:15.16 | somiaj | I personally use libvirt with kvm+qemu on my machine, and then all nginx is on the host is a ssl_proxy to the vms for each application I have on the server. |
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| 01:35.35 | warsoul | hi guys |
| 01:35.55 | warsoul | i used a couple of desktops environments im sticking with xfce |
| 01:36.03 | warsoul | how can i erase cinammon? |
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| 01:37.03 | somiaj | warsoul: just remove it like any other package. What did you do to install it? |
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| 01:38.32 | warsoul | somiaj whats the command |
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| 01:43.10 | mohammad-ghasemi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.18 | mohammad-ghasemi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:46.47 | themill | mohammad-ghasemi: real output at paste.debian.net would be useful |
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| 01:47.29 | themill | Also, the output of "apt-cache policy postfix; apt-cache policy; dpkg -l postfix\*" |
| 01:48.09 | mohammad-ghasemi | themill, http://paste.debian.net/1097535/ |
| 01:48.58 | themill | mohammad-ghasemi: did you at one stage try to change which MTA you were using? Which MTA do you want to use? |
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| 01:49.25 | mohammad-ghasemi | themill, what is MTA? |
| 01:50.11 | themill | !mta |
| 01:50.12 | dpkg | A Message/Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) is a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/sbin/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask me about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>. http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 01:50.56 | mohammad-ghasemi | themill, no I just was doing the same thing as the linux video tutorial was doing. It installed postfix. |
| 01:51.10 | somiaj | warsoul: what pakacge did you use to install cinnimon? |
| 01:51.21 | mohammad-ghasemi | themill, http://paste.debian.net/1097537/ |
| 01:52.05 | mohammad-ghasemi | themill, http://paste.debian.net/1097538/ |
| 01:52.23 | warsoul | somiaj i install debian with cinammon |
| 01:52.41 | somiaj | ahh this probably used the tasksel task, one second |
| 01:52.44 | mohammad-ghasemi | themill, http://paste.debian.net/1097539/ |
| 01:54.11 | somiaj | warsoul: try to remove the task-cinnimon-desktop and/or the cinnimon-desktop-enviorment meta packages, they should then allow any of the cinnimon parts you aren't using to also be automatically removed via the auto packages. |
| 01:55.06 | themill | mohammad-ghasemi: I guess the first question is why are you trying to run any MTA at all? |
| 01:55.25 | themill | mohammad-ghasemi: and then, which one do you want to run. |
| 01:55.54 | mohammad-ghasemi | themill, I don't use MTA at all. |
| 01:56.04 | themill | then why are you installing postfix? |
| 01:56.39 | mohammad-ghasemi | themill, I don't. That error just appears whenever I want to install any software. |
| 01:56.48 | themill | postfix didn't get installed on its own |
| 01:57.20 | mohammad-ghasemi | themill, yes I installed it. But I didn't need it. |
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| 01:58.50 | mohammad-ghasemi | themill, it was just a practice of the video tutorial I was watching. In the video the guy installed it as an example to show how to use apt-get install command. |
| 01:59.02 | themill | ugh, what a bad example to pick |
| 01:59.14 | themill | mohammad-ghasemi: first step is probably "apt download postfix postfix-sqlite" |
| 01:59.25 | themill | mohammad-ghasemi: then dpkg -i postfix*.deb |
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| 02:00.04 | themill | "dpkg -r exim4-base" is probably also necessary here |
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| 02:05.41 | mohammad-ghasemi | themill, thank you very much! It worked. |
| 02:06.15 | themill | mohammad-ghasemi: see if "apt-get -f install" is now happy |
| 02:06.47 | mohammad-ghasemi | themill, yes I checked that. |
| 02:07.00 | mohammad-ghasemi | themill, he is happy. |
| 02:07.07 | mohammad-ghasemi | themill, :-) |
| 02:07.15 | themill | very good, happy playing! |
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| 02:40.03 | bigMouthCommie | ImportError: Couldn't import Django. Are you sure it's installed and available on your PYTHONPATH environment variable? Did you forget to activate a virtual environment? |
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| 02:40.29 | bigMouthCommie | got the above error trying to install a python application. i have django. how do i link it in the pythonpath? |
| 02:42.42 | vbn0rmvl | hello |
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| 02:43.38 | themill | bigMouthCommie: did you install django? how? |
| 02:44.07 | themill | (and precisely what are you doing to generate that error message) |
| 02:44.29 | bigMouthCommie | apt install python3-django |
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| 02:49.23 | somiaj | bigMouthCommie: what does /usr/bin/python point to? |
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| 02:50.50 | bigMouthCommie | uh it must be symlinked lemme see |
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| 02:51.07 | bigMouthCommie | Python 2.7.13 (default, Sep 26 2018, 18:42:22) |
| 02:51.16 | themill | notes that his second question wasn't answered |
| 02:51.37 | bigMouthCommie | i missed your question in the join spam sorry themill |
| 02:51.54 | bigMouthCommie | uh... i'm trying to run brutaldon |
| 02:52.03 | bigMouthCommie | following the directions from their install.md |
| 02:52.27 | bigMouthCommie | pipenv run python ./manage.py migrate |
| 02:52.43 | themill | if you want python3, you need to run python3 |
| 02:52.46 | bigMouthCommie | pipenv run python3 ./manage.py migrate gives same msg |
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| 02:53.20 | bigMouthCommie | i really do think it's a matter of setting the path but idk anything about that |
| 02:53.50 | themill | when you started pipenv did you tell it to use system packages too? |
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| 02:54.53 | themill | (should be --site-packages) |
| 02:55.24 | bigMouthCommie | i installed python3-pip python3-django, cloned the git repo, cd'd to it, ran "python3 -m pip install pipenv" then "pipenv install" then the offending command |
| 02:55.45 | themill | pipenv doesn't know about anything you installed with apt |
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| 02:56.01 | bigMouthCommie | ok. was i supposed to pip install django? |
| 02:56.11 | themill | no, you should use --site-packages with pipenv |
| 02:56.34 | themill | or you can install django inside the venv. |
| 02:56.39 | warsoul | guys i installed debian 10 shrink i have a really nice pc dont know why is taking to long to start up debian |
| 02:56.49 | warsoul | when i boot on windows it starts right away |
| 02:57.07 | bigMouthCommie | themill: that seems really insightful, but its over my head |
| 02:57.08 | themill | Bascially, this is yet another (bad) reinvention of package management from the python world... the 4th in the last decade |
| 02:57.20 | bigMouthCommie | ok but i just want to run brutaldon |
| 02:57.59 | bigMouthCommie | python3 -m pip install django gave me "Requirement already satisfied: django in /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages (1.10.7)" |
| 02:58.02 | themill | bigMouthCommie: as I said, you either need to tell pipenv to use site packages or you need to install django inside the venv you have created |
| 02:58.15 | somiaj | warsoul: systemd-analyze blame -- that should list the time of the services that take the longest to start. |
| 02:58.20 | bigMouthCommie | i understand the english syntax, but i dont know the lines to type into a terminal |
| 03:00.40 | vbn0rmvl | hello guys |
| 03:00.53 | warsoul | https://termbin.com/aibo |
| 03:03.42 | somiaj | something in your network configureation is taking a min to setup |
| 03:04.00 | warsoul | how can i check that? |
| 03:04.00 | somiaj | over 1 min for the networking service |
| 03:04.50 | somiaj | check your network manager configuration and also /etc/network/interfaces (and dno't use both) |
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| 03:05.52 | warsoul | somiaj i have notice that i have a very low signal strength using debian and using windows i have 100% |
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| 03:06.18 | somiaj | what network card? does it have non-free frimware and have you installed the non-free firmware? |
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| 03:07.06 | vbn0rmvl | guys there is a bug in armitage the option "find exploits" not working with the newest update. Does anybody knows any solutions to fix that bug? |
| 03:07.20 | warsoul | somiaj yes it has non-free |
| 03:07.30 | warsoul | netgear device |
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| 03:26.45 | warsoul | guys i installed debian 10 shrink i have a really nice pc dont know why is taking to long to start up debian |
| 03:26.52 | warsoul | when i boot on windows it starts right away |
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| 03:28.31 | somiaj | warsoul: as I pointed out your network is taking over a minute to come up. I'm not sure the best way to debug this |
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| 03:31.39 | warsoul | Client: HexChat 2.14.2 ⢠OS: Debian 10.0 ⢠CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (963MHz) ⢠Memory: 15.2 GiB Total (14.7 GiB Free) ⢠Storage: 32.4 GB / 507.5 GB (475.1 GB Free) ⢠VGA: NVIDIA Corporation NF7-S/NF7 @ Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller ⢠Uptime: 2h 15m 33s |
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| 03:33.59 | somiaj | yea you need to look at your network configureation |
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| 03:34.13 | somiaj | and maybe make sure you have all the firmware you need, 'dmesg | grep -i firmware' |
| 03:36.07 | warsoul | https://termbin.com/jxl3p |
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| 03:38.15 | somiaj | don't see any networking firmware missing. YOu may want to install new microcod, with an intel card, you'll want the intel-microcode package |
| 03:38.18 | somiaj | ,v intel-microcode |
| 03:38.19 | judd | Package: intel-microcode on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 3.20180425.1~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 3.20180807a.2~deb9u1; stretch-backports/non-free: 3.20190312.1~bpo9+1; jessie-security/non-free: 3.20190618.1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 3.20190618.1~deb9u1; stretch-security/non-free: 3.20190618.1~deb9u1; bullseye/non-free: 3.20190618.1; buster/non-free: 3.20190618.1; sid |
| 03:38.20 | judd | /non-free: 3.20190618.1 |
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| 03:38.30 | somiaj | but this probably has little to do with why your networking is taking so long to boot up |
| 03:39.14 | warsoul | somiaj, how do i install the microcode |
| 03:39.17 | awal1 | how to ask judd for bugs? |
| 03:39.34 | somiaj | awal1: /msg judd #XXXXXXX |
| 03:39.52 | somiaj | though only works if you know the bug number, and in that case you can alos just goto bugs.debian.org/XXXXXX |
| 03:40.03 | somiaj | warsoul: install that package I just linked, apt install intel-microcode |
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| 03:40.55 | awal1 | somiaj, ok thanks |
| 03:40.58 | warsoul | somiaj, E: Package 'intel-microcode' has no installation candidate |
| 03:41.19 | somiaj | I thought you said you had non-free enabled. |
| 03:41.30 | awal1 | I know about /msg judd @bugnumber but i was wondering if i can ask using pkg name |
| 03:41.43 | awal1 | judd needrestart |
| 03:41.44 | warsoul | i thought i had it |
| 03:41.52 | somiaj | I dont' think jud spits out a list of bugs for a package name |
| 03:41.57 | somiaj | why not just goto bugs.debian.org/packagename |
| 03:42.17 | warsoul | somiaj how do i install non-free |
| 03:42.25 | awal1 | somiaj, yes i can go there sure or use apt-lisbugs on console. i was just curious |
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| 03:42.42 | somiaj | !non-free |
| 03:42.42 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. |
| 03:42.51 | somiaj | !non-free sources |
| 03:42.51 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 03:43.02 | jh001 | warsoul: do you have export numcpu="$(/usr/bin/lscpu | /usr/bin/pcregrep "^CPU.s.:" | /usr/bin/perl -nE'print /(\d+)$/')" |
| 03:43.05 | jh001 | export cpu_model="$(/usr/bin/lscpu | /usr/bin/pcregrep "^Model name:" | /usr/bin/perl -nE'($c)=$_=~/\:\s+(.*?)$/;$c=~s/\(.*?\)|CPU|Processor|@//g;$c=~s/\s+/ /g;print$c')" |
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| 03:43.09 | jh001 | sorry |
| 03:43.24 | jh001 | warsoul: do you have haveged installed? |
| 03:43.29 | warsoul | jh001 no |
| 03:43.48 | somiaj | I don't know if that is the issue or not, but one way to check is if during boot moving your mouse speeds it up |
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| 03:44.03 | somiaj | but since systemd-blame is saying networking is taking over a minute to start, I think that is the cuplrit here |
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| 03:44.16 | jh001 | I had two fresh buster boxes - both started super slow - until I installed haveged |
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| 03:44.35 | jh001 | something to do with something using up all the entropy |
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| 03:45.01 | warsoul | what should i do? |
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| 03:45.36 | jh001 | warsoul: apt install haveged |
| 03:46.00 | warsoul | what does haveged does? |
| 03:46.21 | somiaj | jh001: yea, in this case warsoul ran systemd-anaylize blame and got networking taking over a minute to start, which probably isn't entropy |
| 03:46.40 | carneous | warsoul: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#entropy-starvation |
| 03:46.43 | somiaj | but the easiest way to test if that is the case is not install haveged, but just move the mouse really fast and crazy like during boot, if that speeds it up, then you know that is the problem. |
| 03:47.46 | user888 | did you take a look in boot.log? |
| 03:47.54 | jh001 | somiaj: understood - it's a painless thing to try. |
| 03:48.29 | warsoul | jh001 done |
| 03:48.32 | warsoul | haveged installed |
| 03:48.40 | somiaj | yea, I would just suggest the mose approach first to confirm heveged is needed, as it isn't something I would install if it isn't needed. |
| 03:49.07 | awal1 | what is the replacement for chromium-widevine? |
| 03:49.12 | somiaj | (since it skipped my mind that buster was still having problems with this, as I thought it was mostly fixed with the CVE back when buster was testing) |
| 03:49.27 | awal1 | i am trying to vew sruff on netflix but i think widevine stuff are missing |
| 03:49.33 | somiaj | ,v chromium-widevine |
| 03:49.34 | judd | Package: chromium-widevine on amd64 -- stretch/contrib: 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1; stretch-security/contrib: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1 |
| 03:49.39 | warsoul | somiaj how i install non-free |
| 03:50.01 | warsoul | to be able to install microcode |
| 03:50.14 | somiaj | awal1: I'm not sure, I personally just use google-chrome's package for widevine, as I find the scripts that rip it out of google chrome (same with pepperflash) don't seem to last relailably |
| 03:51.02 | awal1 | somiaj, I am using sid and widevine not available. hmmm, i know chrome works but i don't have it |
| 03:51.11 | awal1 | i may install it from official google repo |
| 03:51.31 | awal1 | but can it coexist with chromium in same session/user? |
| 03:51.36 | annadane | warsoul, just add contrib non-free after main in the entires of your sources.list |
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| 03:52.01 | somiaj | awal1: https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/acti29/debian_testing_chromium_and_netflix/ --- seems you no longer need the wrapper, you just need the libwidevinecdm.so, so maybe you can grab it from google-crhomes package and copy it in place if your eally don't want to use google-chrome for this |
| 03:52.14 | annadane | https://paste.debian.net/1097542/ my sources list, for example |
| 03:52.44 | somiaj | awal1: I have both chromium and google-chrome installed, so that works, if you want to share profiles between the two, you may have to use google's chromium/chrome sharing for that. |
| 03:52.44 | warsoul | how do i get to the source list |
| 03:52.53 | annadane | as root, nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:53.10 | awal1 | somiaj, ok, thanks for the help, i will check that :) |
| 03:53.12 | somiaj | but you either need the libary or to use google-chrome, and it seems there is not automatic tool to rip the libary out of google's package for ya |
| 03:53.33 | annadane | make your changes, then control x, enter when it asks you what file name to save it under |
| 03:53.33 | awal1 | i may just install chrome, easier |
| 03:53.38 | annadane | and then apt update |
| 03:53.47 | awal1 | it gets updates regularly and work fine? |
| 03:54.11 | somiaj | yea, add the repo to your sources.list (or just download install the .deb and it will add it as part of the .deb) |
| 03:54.26 | somiaj | then it will update with apt-upgrade like all your other packages when google makes a new package |
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| 03:55.51 | awal1 | somiaj, ok, i will install google-chrome later so. I already wanted to try it. thanks |
| 03:57.11 | warsoul | Reading state information... Done |
| 03:57.11 | warsoul | 1 package can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see it. |
| 03:57.37 | warsoul | apache2-bin/stable 2.4.38-3+deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.4.38-3] |
| 03:57.37 | warsoul | N: There is 1 additional version. Please use the '-a' switch to see it |
| 03:57.49 | warsoul | thats the upgradable |
| 03:57.54 | warsoul | annadane what i do now? |
| 03:58.39 | annadane | well upgrade apache first of all, because that's a security update |
| 03:58.50 | annadane | anyway, if you added non-free you ought to be able to install intel-microcode |
| 03:58.58 | annadane | which will then require a reboot to apply the change |
| 03:59.14 | warsoul | how do i upgrade apache? |
| 03:59.18 | annadane | apt upgrade |
| 03:59.18 | apt | Upgrading is easy! Go that way, really fast. If something gets in your way, turn. |
| 03:59.39 | somiaj | yup, there was a secruty fix in apache today |
| 04:00.00 | jh001 | somiaj: you got me thinking - does buster require a mouse to provde entropy? |
| 04:00.45 | warsoul | done microcode |
| 04:00.48 | warsoul | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gv100/acr/ucode_load.bin for module nouveau |
| 04:00.59 | somiaj | jh001: no, that is just one easy way for a user to add entropy to the system though |
| 04:01.11 | somiaj | it uses a combination of system devices to get noise/randomness from |
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| 04:01.38 | somiaj | warsoul: that should be fine, you wern't having graphics issues |
| 04:01.40 | jh001 | somiaj: thanks |
| 04:02.07 | warsoul | somiaj and how i install that firmware |
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| 04:03.25 | somiaj | I would ignore that, nouveau is already loading alot of firmawre correctly, sometimes the drivers look for older or firmware by other names until it finds the one on the system |
| 04:03.59 | somiaj | there are a few supprious warnings about missing firmware in buster, this is probably jsut one of them. |
| 04:04.18 | annadane | more than usual? |
| 04:04.49 | somiaj | More than previous releases, but I think that just comes with more and more firmware over time |
| 04:05.18 | somiaj | but my machine spits out some right after the boot, which I didnit' see in stretch, others have mentioned the same issue here |
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| 04:06.18 | somiaj | the linux kernel is very verbose, so warnings can often be ignored, espically if you don't notice any problems. |
| 04:06.57 | annadane | weirdly i actually get systemd boot messages from buster |
| 04:07.00 | annadane | which i didn't in stretch |
| 04:07.30 | warsoul | after reboot |
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| 04:07.34 | warsoul | still rebooting slow |
| 04:08.09 | user888 | did you already check boot.log? |
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| 04:08.38 | somiaj | warsoul: none of what you did addressed your networking problem. |
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| 04:08.52 | somiaj | and trying to find out why your network is booting so slowly |
| 04:09.30 | somiaj | annadane: yea they changed the default there, in stretch it was default to not show the traditional [ OK ] at boot |
| 04:09.53 | somiaj | you could enable that in stretch, though I forget the details on what systemd config it is |
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| 04:10.20 | warsoul | https://termbin.com/8010 |
| 04:10.56 | warsoul | somiaj there should be a problem on my network as i told you on debian i have 52% strength on windows 100% |
| 04:11.06 | warsoul | sabe wifi adapter same pc |
| 04:11.12 | warsoul | just different OS |
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| 04:13.47 | warsoul | annadane? |
| 04:13.50 | user888 | is there anything under the networking.service log? |
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| 04:17.13 | warsoul | user888 where can i check that? |
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| 04:18.06 | user888 | journalctl -u networking.service |
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| 04:19.55 | warsoul | https://termbin.com/7sm2 |
| 04:21.20 | beavis | /7/3 |
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| 04:24.30 | user888 | sorry try this: journalctl -eu networking.service |
| 04:24.42 | user888 | I want to see all the way to the end of the log |
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| 04:25.41 | warsoul | https://termbin.com/mt5x |
| 04:27.35 | user888 | It doesn't seem like anything is handing out dhcp leases on your network and hits the timeout. |
| 04:28.19 | user888 | I assume you are on a different computer right now. |
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| 04:28.51 | somiaj | warsoul mentioned something about signal strenght being way less in linux than windows, could be having trouble getting signal out to the network |
| 04:29.22 | somiaj | I thought maybe firmware, but that all looked upto date. Maybe check the power settings on the wifi card to see if they are having trouble with power savinngs or something like that |
| 04:30.01 | user888 | yeah, it's simply not getting an IP. Are you able to try a wired connection? |
| 04:30.42 | user888 | Just to test |
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| 04:32.00 | jh001 | somiaj: thanks |
| 04:33.50 | warsoul | user888 im on same pc |
| 04:36.18 | warsoul | im thinking in buying new wifi adapter |
| 04:36.39 | warsoul | netgear nighthawk something like that |
| 04:37.44 | user888 | oh,can you paste output from "ip a" |
| 04:38.37 | warsoul | https://termbin.com/zamu |
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| 04:42.11 | user888 | I wonder if disabling eth0 will help. You don't need it but it's sitting there waiting for an address. |
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| 04:44.45 | user888 | maybe "sudo ifdown eth0" |
| 04:44.54 | user888 | I'm not positive if that's permanent. |
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| 04:47.24 | warsoul | user888 do i reboot pc? |
| 04:48.32 | user888 | yeah to try it out |
| 04:48.39 | warsoul | ok |
| 04:48.42 | warsoul | brb |
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| 04:52.04 | warsoul | user888 the same |
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| 04:52.14 | warsoul | signal strength low |
| 04:52.18 | warsoul | booting slow |
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| 04:53.14 | warsoul | https://termbin.com/whdm |
| 04:53.16 | blackbart | My upgrade to buster seems to be hanging here: "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-4-amd64 \n W: mdadm: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf defines no arrays." Or perhaps update-initramfs supposed to take quite long? |
| 04:53.35 | user888 | damn. can you paste "ip -a" once again |
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| 04:57.49 | ensamvarg | Good morning. The new kernel in version 5.2 from Debian/testing halts on bootup on my HP ProLiant ML110 G6 with Xeon X3430 cpu. Anyone having problem with that kernel too? I already filed a bug report. |
| 04:58.18 | ensamvarg | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=935862 |
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| 04:58.40 | warsoul | user888 ip -a is not working now |
| 04:59.01 | user888 | sorry. just "ip a" |
| 04:59.05 | user888 | my fault |
| 04:59.32 | warsoul | https://termbin.com/r41v |
| 05:00.41 | user888 | okay. eth0 is still not disabled. |
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| 05:06.37 | user888 | can you paste output from "cat /etc/network/interfaces" |
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| 05:07.44 | warsoul | ok |
| 05:08.03 | agris | ensamvarg, can you blacklist that module and connect a terminal to your first serial port |
| 05:08.14 | agris | then set the kernel to debug via that serial port |
| 05:08.30 | ensamvarg | agris: I am not able to do that. Sorry. |
| 05:08.40 | vbn0rmvl | cat: /etc/networks/interfaces: Not a directory |
| 05:08.40 | warsoul | https://termbin.com/5t92 |
| 05:09.44 | user888 | what files are under /etc/network/interfaces.d/ |
| 05:11.40 | diogenes_ | if you use nm then it's safe to systemctl disable networking. |
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| 05:12.21 | warsoul | cat: /etc/network/interfaces.d: Is a directory |
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| 05:12.53 | user888 | ls not cat |
| 05:13.16 | warsoul | setup |
| 05:13.33 | warsoul | is under interfaces.d |
| 05:13.56 | user888 | okay cat that |
| 05:14.06 | warsoul | ? |
| 05:14.26 | user888 | as in "cat etc/network/interfaces.d/setup" |
| 05:15.31 | warsoul | https://termbin.com/85ng |
| 05:17.24 | user888 | ok. comment out those last two lines as a quick test for now |
| 05:17.41 | warsoul | ok |
| 05:19.28 | warsoul | done |
| 05:19.30 | warsoul | reboot? |
| 05:19.38 | user888 | yep |
| 05:19.43 | warsoul | brb |
| 05:19.46 | user888 | ok |
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| 05:21.39 | warsoul | faster!!! |
| 05:22.08 | user888 | I thought that would be it. |
| 05:22.19 | warsoul | signal strength still 52% |
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| 05:25.37 | user888 | hmm not sure about that. can't really get into that now as I need to go. I would uncomment those lines we just changed and either disable the interface from the GUI if you have a desktop environment installed or try "ip link set eth0 down" if you only have a terminal. |
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| 05:27.05 | user888 | If you have gnome installed, it's under settings -> network -> wired -> IPv4 -> Disable |
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| 05:27.50 | bigMouthCommie | themill: yo. i have been breaking my teeth on this for hours. i messaged the brutaldon dev and am going to do... something else for awhile. thanx for helping |
| 05:28.40 | warsoul | user888 i have xfce |
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| 05:29.31 | user888 | ah, not sure then. I'm sure there is something online about it. |
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| 05:30.38 | warsoul | ok |
| 05:30.45 | warsoul | thanks user888 |
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| 05:31.33 | user888 | np. good luck. |
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| 06:05.45 | Haohmaru | ah, now i remember that on this particular debian, i used btrfs, not ext4 |
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| 06:06.34 | Haohmaru | can bad sectors be dealt with the same way as if it was ext4? |
| 06:07.18 | Haohmaru | i mean, i found some wiki on archlinux about badblocks, and i *think* i should run this: "fsck -vcck /dev/device-PARTITION" |
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| 06:08.41 | Haohmaru | it doesn't say whether i should run it while the linux on that device is running, or from a live image with the problematic device not mounted or so |
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| 06:10.47 | jelly | Haohmaru: I don't have experience with btrfs, so in general, unless you see anything about -c or -cc option in either fsck or fsck.btrfs manual, be wary of that advice |
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| 06:14.29 | Haohmaru | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/362241/can-btrfs-track-avoid-bad-blocks/ |
| 06:15.26 | Haohmaru | it doesn't look promising afaict from that :// |
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| 06:37.52 | Haohmaru | in more and more places i read that btrfs doesn't support marking of bad sectors :/ |
| 06:39.50 | Haohmaru | so what can i do? shut it down till i get a new HDD, then run a live image, dd or ddrescue the data onto the new one, and continue from there? can the btrfs partitions be "converted" to ext4 then? |
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| 06:46.33 | Mo7Qt0 | Haohmaru: As far as I know, btrfs-convert supports rollback to ext4 if you created a btrfs section from it |
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| 06:47.00 | Haohmaru | not sure what that means |
| 06:47.28 | Haohmaru | iirc i chose btrfs during the installation of debian9.. long ago |
| 06:48.35 | Mo7Qt0 | so this way will not work |
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| 06:53.04 | Haohmaru | so then, what are my options? partition the new drive to ext4 and copy the files? i know some things might break, like fstab, but perhaps i would fix that.. what else could break? |
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| 06:54.12 | alkisg | You can set the same uuid to avoid editing fstab and initramfs resume; and if it's /, you'll need to install grub too |
| 06:54.32 | Haohmaru | hmz |
| 06:54.58 | Mo7Qt0 | Haohmaru: or can create backup with tar |
| 06:55.31 | Mo7Qt0 | Example for create: |
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| 06:55.34 | Mo7Qt0 | tar cpJvf /media/backupdisk1/our_backup.xz --selinux --exclude /dev --exclude /proc --exclude /sys --exclude /mnt --exclude /media --exclude /lost+found --exclude /tmp /mnt/ |
| 06:56.11 | Mo7Qt0 | extract in the new disk after create partitions and fs: |
| 06:56.13 | Mo7Qt0 | tar -xvpfJ --selinux /media/backupdisk1/our-backup.xz -C /mnt/ |
| 06:56.58 | Mo7Qt0 | and create missing directories |
| 06:57.07 | Mo7Qt0 | mkdir {/mnt/dev,/mnt/proc,/mnt/sys,/mnt/mnt,/mnt/media,/mnt/tmp,/mnt/lost+found} |
| 06:57.14 | Mo7Qt0 | chmod -R 777 {/mnt/tmp,/mnt/mnt,/mnt/media} |
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| 06:58.04 | Mo7Qt0 | where /mnt - mountpoint for your root directory of system in liveCD |
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| 06:59.04 | alkisg | Since both the disks are available, a plain `cp -a /src /dst` should do it... |
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| 06:59.34 | Mo7Qt0 | because backup of / and system need create on a shutdowned system |
| 07:00.10 | Haohmaru | of course, i will attach the two HDDs and run a debian live image |
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| 07:01.43 | Haohmaru | so untill i get the new HDD, imma shut this thing down |
| 07:01.58 | Haohmaru | (it takes like 15 minutes to reach desktop) |
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| 07:03.03 | Mo7Qt0 | If you have any questions about backing up with tar, I have links on video in youtube how can create such backups, but in this video russian-language speaker |
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| 07:03.46 | Haohmaru | i'm bulgarian, and i russian sounds so confusing *shrug* |
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| 07:03.58 | Haohmaru | okay imma "cp .." the stuff, seems simpler |
| 07:04.51 | alkisg | Haohmaru: maybe rsync instead of cp if you have failures while copying; and ask about "debsums" later to verify things got copied ok |
| 07:05.59 | alkisg | debsums -s => checks the packages files md5sums against the original md5sums; to see if there's corruption |
| 07:06.00 | Mo7Qt0 | u can you can see video without sound and copy most actions :D |
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| 07:07.04 | Mo7Qt0 | and yeap, PartUUID in fstab and (if using) systemd-boot will have to fix |
| 07:07.46 | Mo7Qt0 | don't know about grub |
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| 07:09.28 | Mo7Qt0 | but u can explain about grub there (https://wiki.debian.org/Grub) or there (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB) |
| 07:10.54 | Mo7Qt0 | oh, can anybody help me with my problem?) |
| 07:10.57 | Mo7Qt0 | Have a server with debian 9.9 and postfix+dovecot+amavis-new. |
| 07:11.11 | Mo7Qt0 | The problem is that amavis trying to send mail to himself mailbox witch missing (amavis@newmail.mydomain.localnetwrk) an attempt to send mail is carried out by a script /usr/sbin/amavisd-new-cronjob witch serves for training spamassasin. |
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| 07:11.18 | Mo7Qt0 | I tried to create a mailbox with name amavis, but after creating mailbox, mail stops going to recipients. |
| 07:11.21 | VicMackey | [debian-sid] Hello! I am trying to map a key in a Logitech USB keyboard. I got the vendor and product ID from 'lsusb' and produced the following line for /etc/udev/hwdb.d/90-custom-keyboard.hwdb: |
| 07:11.27 | Mo7Qt0 | Not understandable - is spamassassin learning and how to fix this error? |
| 07:12.24 | Mo7Qt0 | log: http://paste.debian.net/1097433 |
| 07:12.38 | VicMackey | evdev:input:b0003v046DpC31C* \n KEYBOARD_KEY_70065=b . But when I do #systemd-hwdb update I get ":2: Property expected, ignoring record with no properties". What am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance :9 |
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| 07:30.45 | VicMackey | Hello. I don't know why but pasting an example and then modifying it worked like a charm |
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| 07:58.51 | tdn | What is the best way to have something (backup) run periodically on a laptop that is often without network and not on 24x7. Should I put it in /etc/rc.local and let it start 10 min after boot up? Any better idea? I want this to run as close to once a day as possible |
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| 08:00.41 | mia_ | hi |
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| 08:01.41 | mia_ | I've problems with latest debian , I tried to do a apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade but it hangs on /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub |
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| 08:03.17 | mia_ | any hint to debug? |
| 08:03.35 | alkisg | tdn: how about `crontab -e` ? |
| 08:04.30 | alkisg | (or maybe anacrontab...) |
| 08:05.15 | tdn | alkisg, cron will not work as I do not know when the machine will be on. Anacron is probably better |
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| 08:06.23 | diogenes_ | tdn, make your own service then. |
| 08:06.38 | diogenes_ | it's easy. |
| 08:06.58 | diogenes_ | tdn, if you want to use rc.local the you gonna have to enable rc.local service. |
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| 08:07.41 | SonOFaza | hello |
| 08:08.47 | SonOFaza | what can i do when "buster" is not available as os type in virt-manager? |
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| 08:43.28 | aaii | Hi guys, What's wrong with my source.list because when i run apt update i face to something : https://paste.debian.net/1097564/ |
| 08:43.38 | aaii | just always working 0% and didn't complete |
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| 08:45.36 | aaii | And this is my source.list https://paste.debian.net/1097565/ |
| 08:46.46 | ZaZaGX | hmmm |
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| 08:47.33 | ZaZaGX | the source list looks correct |
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| 08:47.55 | diogenes_ | aaii, can you: ping deb.debian.org |
| 08:48.09 | annadane | does anyone know offhand why after an install of a minimal MATE (marco + some things added manually) i can't right click on the desktop and there's no icons? |
| 08:48.14 | annadane | what do i have to install? |
| 08:48.26 | aaii | diogenes_, 64 bytes from 149.20.4.15: icmp_seq=1 ttl=40 time=284.469 ms |
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| 08:48.52 | diogenes_ | aaii, and it doesn't mve down the list? |
| 08:49.12 | diogenes_ | move* |
| 08:49.32 | aaii | diogenes_,sorry, I don't understand your mean |
| 08:50.19 | diogenes_ | aaii, is this line: 64 bytes from 149.20.4.15: icmp_seq=1 ttl=40 time=284.469 ms repeating itself? |
| 08:50.44 | diogenes_ | icmp_seq=1 |
| 08:50.46 | diogenes_ | icmp_seq=12 |
| 08:50.47 | diogenes_ | etc. |
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| 08:51.47 | aaii | diogenes_, https://paste.debian.net/1097567/ |
| 08:52.24 | diogenes_ | ok then it's good, try a different DNS then. |
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| 08:53.52 | aaii | diogenes_, so whats wrong with my apt update? |
| 08:54.50 | ZaZaGX | annadane, have you tried tweaks? enable Area clicks |
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| 08:55.16 | diogenes_ | aaii, i suggest to try a different DNS and if you get the same result then the problem is not with the network. |
| 08:56.55 | Habbie | if ping works, DNS also works, so changing DNS should be pointless |
| 08:57.07 | annadane | ZaZaGX: i don't see that in my mate-tweak |
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| 08:57.55 | diogenes_ | Habbie, i had situations when ping worked but the dns was so slow that it was pulling out bytes only. |
| 08:58.13 | annadane | this actually does work out of the box with mate-core, i wonder what the package is that does it... |
| 08:58.17 | annadane | time for trial and error i guess |
| 08:58.19 | Habbie | diogenes_, right, then you ended up on a bad mirror, and changing dns got you onto another mirror |
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| 09:09.15 | SonOFaza | virt-manager keeps saying it has no permissions. i tried various combinations of "chown -R user:libvirt" and "chmod -R 0770" without success. whats so special about these libvirt permissions? |
| 09:09.40 | ZaZaGX | have you tried su? |
| 09:09.45 | SonOFaza | su? |
| 09:09.52 | ZaZaGX | su - |
| 09:09.54 | ZaZaGX | than password |
| 09:10.02 | SonOFaza | i use virt-manager |
| 09:10.39 | SonOFaza | and sudo is not needed anymore since i added the libvirt group to my user |
| 09:10.59 | ZaZaGX | ohhh |
| 09:11.05 | ZaZaGX | you have a gui |
| 09:11.25 | SonOFaza | i am not sure if this piece of software deserves the label gui |
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| 09:18.23 | SonOFaza | nope, i removed my user from the libvirt group, need to auth with password then but the permission error stays |
| 09:18.51 | SonOFaza | maybe i should sing a song until virtualbox comes back |
| 09:18.58 | ZaZaGX | sorry, maybe you should try during the day. its night time right now |
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| 09:19.17 | ZaZaGX | its 2:19am in my area |
| 09:19.30 | SonOFaza | mid day in europe |
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| 09:54.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi guys |
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| 09:54.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | for rsyslog should i be using selectors or locale for rsyslog? whats new fast safe and secure? |
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| 09:54.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | im just not getting that from documentation.. |
| 09:55.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | whats the debian way :) |
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| 10:05.54 | RandomSerb | hello. I've a spare pc, just installed debian on it. Which software would you recommend to make this new server so that I can easily manage it as VPS's |
| 10:05.56 | RandomSerb | as in, I want to be able to create VPSs for each of my projects. I mostly work with python/nginx. |
| 10:07.32 | RandomSerb | this said, I don't know how to start. I know I need something like vmware, but clueless as to how all that would go. As in, do I need an OS and which one below vmware, how to configure it, how to create ne machines, how to o assign local IPs to said machines, and , in the end, how to access them |
| 10:08.58 | mirazi_heket | debian8, anyone experienced this issue? Failed to list units: Activation of org.freedesktop.systemd1 timed out |
| 10:08.58 | mirazi_heket | i just typed 'systemctl' |
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| 10:12.54 | Habbie | RandomSerb, sounds like you want something -like- proxmox, which may help your googling |
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| 10:26.59 | Reventlov | Hello. Do you know how to test email integration of unattended upgrades? Right now, I think unattended upgrades are working, but as nothing has to be upgraded no email is sent, and I'm not sure mail is working |
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| 11:23.35 | ksk | Reventlov: try sending a mail (to root) - and take a look what happens? (like so maybE: "echo test" | mail -s "this is a test" root |
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| 11:24.25 | ksk | I am not sure how unattended upgrades are implemented, but if, for example, any cronjob creates any output, this output will be mailed (to the cronjob running user, if I remember correctly) |
| 11:24.45 | ksk | as systemd is a thing though now, I am not sure if unattended upgrades maybe also switched to systemd-timers ;) |
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| 11:28.17 | ghormoon | hi, any idea why "too large"errors are inconsistent as the inputed number rows in ping -s <number> ? http://paste.debian.net/1097584/ |
| 11:28.45 | ghormoon | *grows |
| 11:29.23 | ksk | haha, nice one. I dont know the background, but seems like a build-in case) class kind of matching? ;) |
| 11:31.04 | ksk | might be 65507 is the limit in ping/ the ICMP protocol (guessing wildly here..), and the 50k limit is something like "applied by your kernel/setup, because $REASONS" |
| 11:31.25 | Reventlov | ksk: well it works, so IÂ guess that's ok |
| 11:31.58 | ksk | Reventlov: I do not know of an easy method to "make apt have an upgrad pending", so I think you are good then ;) |
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| 11:33.53 | uet6252 | ghormoon: i guess ping checks packet size at different locations in the code. |
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| 11:34.51 | uet6252 | ghormoon: size 500000 may trigger a general sanity check while size 90000 may pass that one and the (still too big) packet triggers an error at socket level |
| 11:35.38 | ghormoon | yeah, sounds like that, just feels a bit strange, would be nice to say the limit at both :D |
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| 11:36.29 | uet6252 | ghormoon: max. IP datagram size is 65536. minus 20 for the IP header, minus 8 for the ICMP header makes 65508 though, not 65507. |
| 11:37.07 | ghormoon | maybe it needs last byte for /0 or something like that? |
| 11:37.19 | ghormoon | * \0 |
| 11:37.23 | uet6252 | ghormoon: an IP packet is not a string |
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| 11:38.03 | uet6252 | uet6252: and AFAIK the ICMP echo request payload is not null-terminated |
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| 11:40.45 | ghormoon | ugh, either the header table in the rfc 792 is uly or the things are two bits longer |
| 11:41.08 | ghormoon | and maybe i should be readin newer one |
| 11:41.25 | ksk | 792 sounds like one of the older ones ;) |
| 11:41.56 | ghormoon | atere are 4 links "updated by" ,two don't work and two are noyl for some specific sub-parts |
| 11:41.59 | Habbie | uet6252, max ip datagram size is 65535, not 65536 |
| 11:42.09 | ghormoon | https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc792 |
| 11:42.18 | Habbie | and rfc792 is still the right document for understanding the icmp header |
| 11:42.37 | uet6252 | Habbie: ah, okay. then it's 65535 - 20 - 8 = 65507 |
| 11:42.40 | Habbie | uet6252, yes |
| 11:43.12 | ghormoon | should i somewhere put a "feature requst" on ping to list the max on also much bigger numbers? |
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| 11:51.17 | jelly | ghormoon: what's the use case sending such large packets with ping? |
| 11:52.34 | ghormoon | jelly: i was just trying how much i can send (to see if the repsonse time goes up) without having to open up any higher protocol (we had very slow responses on the webserver and this was first idea), so i was shooting up numbers to see what it will allow and it surprisedme that after few tries (going down) it told me the limit |
| 11:52.51 | uet6252 | ghormoon: just checked to source. one check happens at option handling in main(), another two in ping4_run(). |
| 11:53.15 | ghormoon | I'm just reafding in, one is in the case s: directly, righT? |
| 11:53.53 | uet6252 | ghormoon: yes (case 's') |
| 11:54.10 | ghormoon | the second one is if (datalen > 0xFFFF - 8 - optlen - 20) |
| 11:54.21 | uet6252 | ghormoon: MAXPACKET is defined in ping.h (128000) |
| 11:54.32 | ghormoon | hm, then it's entirely different limit |
| 11:54.50 | ghormoon | though, would it make any difference if the stricter was used right away? |
| 11:55.10 | uet6252 | ghormoon: not sure why... 128000 can never be send as an IP packet |
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| 11:55.18 | uet6252 | *sent |
| 11:55.38 | tabako | hi |
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| 11:56.34 | ghormoon | I'm taking it from https://salsa.debian.org/debian/iputils but can't see a way to put issue there, i guess the right way to request this is through the debian mailing bugtracker? |
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| 11:57.39 | ghormoon | it's just about being more user frinedly by telling the limit right away if the user is brain-off like me now and not even thinking about packet size limit |
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| 11:59.43 | Habbie | yes, you'd file this in the debian bugtracker, or with iputils upstream |
| 12:00.02 | ghormoon | is there upstream? i did find only this repo |
| 12:00.33 | ghormoon | there's https://github.com/iputils/iputils but it has less commit actually |
| 12:01.49 | Habbie | that is the upstream for it |
| 12:01.55 | Habbie | but when in doubt, file with debian |
| 12:02.46 | ghormoon | wel,, this is so minor thing it's better to file upstrream and it will arive to debian sometime. less work for debian maintainers |
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| 12:51.48 | piercedwater | can anyone tell me why debian is so damn cool? |
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| 12:53.15 | FragtioN | IMO perfect balance of user-friendliness, simplicity, speed, stability, features |
| 12:53.29 | FragtioN | I mostly still use ubuntu though |
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| 12:53.59 | BCMM | piercedwater: i'd put it down to community governance, as opposed to being controlled by a for-profit corporation |
| 12:54.22 | BCMM | the latter inevitably produces certain incentives that run contrary to the interests of the users |
| 12:54.45 | FragtioN | incentives like ? |
| 12:55.17 | colo-work | "features" like having your autocomplete search queries forwarded to amazon |
| 12:55.19 | FragtioN | it depends, sometimes those incentives are in the interest of stubborn users who dont like change |
| 12:55.22 | FragtioN | lol okay |
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| 12:55.50 | colo-work | (they corrected that mistake, but it's much more likely to happen with for-profit entities) |
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| 12:57.09 | han-solo | hello guys |
| 12:57.17 | han-solo | Is there any mongodb available for buster ? |
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| 13:00.23 | han-solo | oh, licensing issue ? :/ |
| 13:00.29 | BCMM | colo-work: another problem with ubuntu is occasional attempts to make changes that are, basically, just an attempt to differentiate their product from the competition |
| 13:00.45 | BCMM | i.e. product identity > usability |
| 13:00.45 | colo-work | yeah, that's the much more frequently observed problem |
| 13:00.54 | colo-work | "netplan". "snaps". |
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| 13:06.08 | EdePopede | !paste |
| 13:06.08 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 13:07.03 | EdePopede | imgur. sure. hat do kill firefox another time because their crappy JS used 180% CPU with no end in sight. |
| 13:08.59 | jelly | EdePopede: if you have a more friendly alternative that factoid canbe updated. |
| 13:10.05 | EdePopede | jelly, i've already reached the point to call the web of the 90s userfriendly. browsers had a setting to not autoload images and most sites worked perfectly without that disease called javascript. |
| 13:10.48 | EdePopede | i really wish i had one, but how are tracking and annoying ads supoosed to work without it? |
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| 13:11.32 | jelly | NoScript. uBlock origin / uMatrix. |
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| 13:12.33 | EdePopede | exactly. breaking most of today's sites. |
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| 13:14.02 | EdePopede | can't be conservative enough in using these tools without having firefox running wild after a few days somewhere. had to restart X yesterday and already killed the browser. |
| 13:14.29 | jelly | wfm |
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| 13:15.22 | jelly | however, I run crap in chrome, and useful stuff for work in firefox, with differently aggressive settings |
| 13:16.20 | jelly | firefox basically a small whitelist in NoScript. chrome basically a blacklist with ublock origin |
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| 13:16.41 | EdePopede | i was just thinking of preparing some profiles, zip them and recreating them in a wrapper script whenever i do something like going to imgur or so |
| 13:17.47 | EdePopede | i literally allow every single host temporarily, takes some time sometimes, but this also shows me what sites are ready for the drain. (same for cookies, OAuth anyone?) |
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| 13:19.07 | EdePopede | or maybe some other browser which gets up quick, but isn't 10 years behind so it fails for half of the web |
| 13:19.18 | wwilliam | hello what the 3 means in this strace line? |
| 13:19.20 | wwilliam | open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.utf8/LC_MESSAGES/SYS_LC_MESSAGES", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = 3 |
| 13:21.36 | ksk | wwilliam: one approach would be to google for "open()" - wich would lead you to http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/open.2.html |
| 13:21.47 | ksk | which then states "open, openat, creat - open and possibly create a file" |
| 13:22.07 | ksk | you can view your systems debian specific manpage of open, via "man 2 open" also, on a terminal |
| 13:22.30 | ksk | the manpage then tells you, that open is "open, openat, creat - open and possibly create a file" |
| 13:22.36 | wwilliam | I did no 3 there |
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| 13:25.43 | EdePopede | sin(30°) = 0.5 ; it's just the same. |
| 13:25.47 | ksk | wwilliam: eh, man strace? :P |
| 13:26.06 | wwilliam | ah ok checking |
| 13:26.09 | wwilliam | thanks |
| 13:26.44 | ksk | "The name of each system call, its arguments and its return value are printed on standard error |
| 13:26.47 | ksk | " |
| 13:27.13 | wwilliam | OK checking |
| 13:27.52 | ksk | wwilliam: that line basicly means something is using your systems locales, to do locales-magic. - if it was "something bad" you would normally see a more highlighted error so to say (like: "I can not open XY..." ) |
| 13:28.22 | ksk | but the explanation in man strace seem to be quite nice, take a look :) |
| 13:28.37 | wwilliam | OK Thanks ksk |
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| 13:33.23 | colo-work | does anyone of you have long-term experience (i.e., across multiple Debian releases) taking care of a redundant glusterfs setup, and can share a few impressions? |
| 13:35.11 | jelly | not even shortterm. openshift vendor/implementor was unable to log in and use glusterfs nodes on debian... |
| 13:37.42 | jelly | roughly, it looks like it might be done, but procedure for inplace upgrades of gluster software seemed tricky |
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| 13:42.08 | Akuw | why when i use vi to see number of lines of a file is diferent number of lines when i do cat file | nl? |
| 13:42.26 | Habbie | Akuw, how big is the difference? |
| 13:42.31 | Akuw | wait |
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| 13:43.40 | Akuw | vi = 329074 cat filename | nl = 324293 |
| 13:43.50 | Akuw | too many |
| 13:44.47 | Habbie | i wonder if this is about dos vs. unix line endings |
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| 13:49.29 | Akuw | is same file |
| 13:49.36 | Akuw | should be same number lines |
| 13:49.55 | Habbie | what does 'wc -l' say? |
| 13:50.01 | user888 | It seems nl does not count empty lines. What does "wc -l <file> give you? |
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| 13:50.55 | Akuw | 329075 |
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| 13:54.12 | Habbie | ah, indeed nl does not count empty lines |
| 13:54.34 | Habbie | try 'nl -b a' |
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| 13:54.56 | pasiz | from nl man page: Default options are: -bt -d'\:' -fn -hn -i1 -l1 -n'rn' -s<TAB> -v1 -w6 |
| 13:54.59 | pasiz | so no numbering for empty lines |
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| 13:55.50 | Akuw | ohhhh |
| 13:56.55 | Akuw | hehehe |
| 13:56.58 | Akuw | now is ok |
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| 13:57.23 | Akuw | head do same, i mean, doesnt count empty lines? |
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| 13:58.59 | Habbie | head does count empty lines |
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| 14:01.40 | useretail | grep -cve '^\s*$' filename |
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| 14:16.15 | Reventlov | Hi. Is there a way to prevent the daemon autostarting thing when installing new packages on debian? |
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| 14:16.54 | Habbie | Reventlov, policy-rc.d |
| 14:17.34 | Habbie | Reventlov, https://major.io/2016/05/05/preventing-ubuntu-16-04-starting-daemons-package-installed/ |
| 14:17.55 | uio | Hi. Is 10.1 out? |
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| 14:18.18 | uio | I see something about it on debian.org and am wondering if it's just a mistake. |
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| 14:18.24 | oblivion | Hi again |
| 14:18.33 | Habbie | uio, where do you see that? |
| 14:18.39 | uio | https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2019/07/msg00032.html |
| 14:19.07 | uio | Sorry, not a mistake. Wrong word choice. |
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| 14:19.16 | Soo_Slow | half-offtop question: what s the better (in terms of performance/speed) way to periodically verify integrity of large amount of varying sized files - via md5 or via crc32? or doesnt matter (difference isnt that noticable)? |
| 14:19.17 | uio | Apparently for 07/09! |
| 14:19.22 | uio | ? |
| 14:19.50 | uio | Kewl. |
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| 14:20.13 | Habbie | Soo_Slow, crc32 is very bad at detecting corruption |
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| 14:20.31 | uio | That kind of stuff doesn't show up in news? |
| 14:20.42 | Soo_Slow | Habbie, so md5 is the way to go? Or there are alternatives? |
| 14:20.45 | Habbie | uio, i bet it will show up in news on september 7 |
| 14:20.54 | Habbie | Soo_Slow, sha1, sha2, there's a bunch |
| 14:20.58 | Jubei | Hello everyone. I am introducing some random gibberish into my apache2 virtual host config file and despite that apache2ctl configtest returns "Syntax OK". How can I troubleshoot htis? |
| 14:21.04 | Habbie | Soo_Slow, you could run 'openssl speed' to figure out how fast each of them are |
| 14:21.16 | uio | Habbie, Okay, it's more of log than a calendar. |
| 14:21.20 | jelly | vroom |
| 14:21.26 | Habbie | uio, that's my impression, yes |
| 14:22.15 | Soo_Slow | Habbie, but from which to choose? I mean - there are plenty of different hash algorithms. Which ones are viable to detect corruption? |
| 14:22.16 | uio | Cool. There are even Stretch point releases. Didn't know that. |
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| 14:22.33 | Habbie | Soo_Slow, most of them are; sha256 appears to be the common choice these days |
| 14:22.58 | Soo_Slow | Habbie, but isnt it slower than md5? |
| 14:23.02 | jelly | preparing and testing debian-installer images is probably the most time consuming part of point releases. Just bumping some packages into the main repo seems less problematic |
| 14:23.08 | Habbie | Soo_Slow, it is |
| 14:23.12 | uio | Are there any risks associated with the point releases, or are they (unlike upgrades) more stable than what preceded? |
| 14:23.23 | Habbie | Soo_Slow, on my system, anyway |
| 14:23.27 | tds | Jubei: what file were you adding rubbish to, and do you see that file listed in `apache2ctl -S`? note that with the Debian scripts for httpd you might have a vhost in sites-available but not symlinked in sites-enabled, so it won't be read by httpd |
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| 14:23.56 | uio | Funny,https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2019/07/msg00012.html says the point release would normally have been like a full month earlier. I guess .1 will be really good! |
| 14:24.07 | Jubei | tds apache2ctl -S is helpful thank you very much! |
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| 14:25.02 | jelly | Soo_Slow: /usr/bin/sha256sum seems to eat 200MB/s here, is that fast enough for you? |
| 14:25.38 | uio | August 24th wasn't good because it was 'OMGWTFBBQ weekend' for Adam :) |
| 14:25.42 | jelly | (and uses a single thread apparently) |
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| 14:26.22 | Soo_Slow | sha1 seems to be faster than md5, according to 'openssl speed'. I wonder if its as viable at detecting errors |
| 14:28.59 | uio | If I upgrade to 10.1, might I experience broken things or is it pretty safe? |
| 14:31.34 | Jubei | tds I was adding to my single virtual host config file (and it IS symlinked properly from sites-available) |
| 14:32.10 | Jubei | tds the people at #httpd say that my apache isn't finding any virtual hosts so it's defaulting to the server root directory http://codepad.org/PDoGgciq |
| 14:32.14 | vlt | uio: Depends on the version you're updating from. |
| 14:32.31 | uio | vlt, 10.0 to 10.1. |
| 14:32.46 | uio | vlt, I ask because 9.9 to 10.0 was bit rocky for me. |
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| 14:33.17 | vlt | uio: Usually the point releases work quite well. |
| 14:35.14 | uio | vlt, Sorry to press the question, but are they different from the upgrades? I don't want to repeat the problems I had with 9.9 to 10.0... |
| 14:36.06 | uio | I just learned Debian can run on the FreeBSD kernel. Cool. |
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| 14:49.14 | nononsense41 | Good day guys. A question here: Isn't it odd to have my Buster installation media listed as "Linpus Lite" during boot? |
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| 14:50.32 | jelly | yes. |
| 14:50.45 | jelly | it is odd |
| 14:51.05 | nononsense41 | jelly: why is it so then? |
| 14:51.35 | nononsense41 | I downloaded the image from cdimage.debian.org |
| 14:51.44 | jelly | nononsense41: you used a third party tool like rufus or unetbootin to create bootable media, maybe? |
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| 14:52.08 | jelly | instead of writing it directly to a usb stick with cp or dd or win32diskimager |
| 14:52.19 | nononsense41 | jelly: nah mate. I used win32diskimager as I'm on a Windows system |
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| 14:52.34 | tgunr | I have a dead process owned by init, how long does it normally take for the kernel to sweep up the deads ones? |
| 14:52.56 | nononsense41 | jelly: other images (opensuse & archlinux) worked fine |
| 14:53.22 | jelly | nononsense41: do you happen to have the exact URL for the image used? |
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| 14:54.08 | nononsense41 | jelly: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 14:54.26 | jelly | which one of those? |
| 14:55.00 | nononsense41 | jelly: the xfce one.. gotta have some gui for my laptop |
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| 14:55.32 | nononsense41 | jelly: i even verified the checksum to ensure that it wasn't corrupted |
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| 14:57.04 | rwp | tgunr, What you say is either impossible or a bug in init, for init to have a dead child process that it has not reaped. Are you sure the dead process is a child of init? |
| 14:57.09 | embden | Hi, does somebody know why on Debian 10, I can by default I can't call commands from /usr/sbin from root? |
| 14:57.27 | rwp | embden, Is your PATH broken? |
| 14:57.30 | embden | I can't* |
| 14:57.32 | tgunr | i meant the process PPID = 1 |
| 14:57.33 | humpled | i think the disk title is in the .disk folder in the iso |
| 14:58.44 | embden | rwp: yes, there is no /usr/sbin there, is it intended behavior? I just installed it in VM, so, it is basically a fresh system |
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| 14:59.30 | greycat | !buster su |
| 14:59.30 | dpkg | The <su> command changed in buster: it no longer overrides the PATH variable so commands normally available to root are not found. Put ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes in /etc/login.defs to get an approximation of the old behavior. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for workarounds. |
| 14:59.39 | rwp | tgunr, Can you cut and paste the process list into a pastebin? Such as: ps -efH | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 15:00.35 | tgunr | http://pve.polymicro.net/share/pb-nqHg3xcTyV/ |
| 15:00.57 | rwp | tgunr, 'su' simply switches your user but keeps your environment the same. Probably you should be using either 'su -i' or 'sudo' for such things instead. |
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| 15:01.14 | tgunr | I am root |
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| 15:02.32 | rwp | tgunr, Sorry. To terse of output. Not enough information there for me. Not familiar with psfind output. However did that say it is locked in the 'D' state? |
| 15:02.52 | tgunr | yes it is in D state |
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| 15:03.10 | rwp | tgunr, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_(system_call)#Uninterruptible_sleep |
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| 15:03.59 | tgunr | was afraid of that, didnât want to reboot |
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| 15:04.09 | rwp | Most often uninterruptible D state sleep is due to a process waiting for I/O from an I/O device which is itself stuck and not rsponding. |
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| 15:05.50 | rwp | At one time (perhaps not the way things are done now) the kernel would set up memory for a DMA action from a device driver. The kernel then waits for the DMA to complete. The kernel cannot kill the process and reclaim resources until the DMA completes. The process is listed in the D state. And if the DMA never completes then ... |
| 15:07.06 | tgunr | I was attempting to stop a zfs transfer using systemctl |
| 15:07.21 | nononsense41 | jelly: if you happen to find something out about the bizarre installation image, kindly share it on forums.debian.org in a post titled "Something's not quite right with the installation image.." within the Help>Installation section |
| 15:07.34 | tgunr | the process was started by a cron timer |
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| 15:08.03 | tgunr | oh well |
| 15:08.39 | rwp | tgunr, Is there a #zfs channel? They might know more specific domain knowledge about it. |
| 15:09.37 | user888 | I believe there is an #openzfs channel if you're registered |
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| 15:10.37 | jhutchins_wk | !release notes |
| 15:10.37 | dpkg | The release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ . See also <stretch->buster>, <buster install guide> |
| 15:10.59 | jhutchins_wk | rwp: There have been some changes in the traditional file structure. |
| 15:11.24 | jhutchins_wk | Actually I think that was for tgunr |
| 15:11.30 | greycat | there's #zfsonlinux as recommended by /topic #zfs |
| 15:11.52 | rwp | jhutchins_wk, Ha! I misdirected a message myself just a few lines up in the scroll back. :-) |
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| 15:12.38 | jhutchins_wk | rwp: The conventional su usage is "su -" |
| 15:12.47 | greycat | I strongly disagree. |
| 15:13.01 | tgunr | rwp: thanks |
| 15:13.16 | greycat | "su -" is one of the workarounds you may choose to employ, but it's the exact opposite of "conventional". |
| 15:13.42 | greycat | The bot's factoid links to the wiki page with several workaround suggestions. |
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| 15:13.47 | tgunr | I seldom bother using sudo/su |
| 15:15.05 | uio | Hey greycat! Without leaves or guts the first point release is 07/09. |
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| 15:15.15 | uio | https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2019/07/msg00030.html. |
| 15:15.24 | tgunr | only once scince 1980 have i rm /* |
| 15:15.27 | rwp | jhutchins_wk, Traditionally it was "su -" but time passes and I think "su -i" is the modern preferred syntax form of it. Also "sudo -i" might be better. |
| 15:15.53 | greycat | Lies, slander and infamy. |
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| 15:17.56 | greycat | There is actually no standard definition for su, and its behavior is entirely system-specific. On Debian, the behavior has always been "change the PATH variable" up until buster. On HP-UX, it always changed PATH. On Red Hat and OpenBSD, it did not. |
| 15:18.05 | rwp | Ah! I conflated su and sudo. It is "sudo -i" or "su -l". Sorry for the misfire. |
| 15:18.59 | greycat | The alarmingly common suggestion to "just use su -" comes largely from Red Hatters, as far as I can tell. The unification of the Debian codebase with the Red Hat codebase has unsurprisingly led to an influx of Red Hat suggestions for Debian users. And yes, you can do that if you like. |
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| 15:19.04 | rwp | However if you are a traditionalist then "su -" certainly still works too. |
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| 15:19.29 | greycat | If you are a REAL traditionalist you will edit /etc/login.defs so "su" works THE WAY IT IS BLOODY SUPPOSED TO. |
| 15:20.02 | greycat | (on Debian, anyway) |
| 15:20.05 | rwp | Well... My finger memory of su and sudo was learned on HP-UX. And as we know HP-UX 10.20 was the ultimate release of it. |
| 15:20.16 | greycat | Yes, and su in HP-UX changes the PATH variable for you. |
| 15:21.15 | rwp | I would need to fire up either my gecko or my J5000 in order to check it. Too bad there isn't an easy way to emulate it in order to have a running system available as a VM in software! |
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| 15:21.34 | greycat | https://nixdoc.net/man-pages/HP-UX/man1/su.1.html (11i man page) |
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| 15:22.56 | greycat | I could *paste* a local 10.20 man page for you but I can't seem to find one online at the moment... |
| 15:23.11 | rwp | That's 11i but probably good enough. Well there you go then. 'su' always set PATH then. |
| 15:23.35 | greycat | The 10.20 man page has the same wording in that section. I didn't read the whole page. |
| 15:23.37 | themill | 20-something years ago I was taught to use "su -" and so this is no surprise |
| 15:25.22 | greycat | Solaris8 has an /etc/default/su file with a SUPATH variable that it uses when "invoking su to root" (https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19109-01/tsolaris8/817-0880/6mglau86g/index.html) |
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| 15:25.39 | rwp | It looks like the momentum is for "su -" rather than modernizing with "su -l". I will return to the traditional "su -" then when that is the topic then. |
| 15:25.44 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, I think I got it from "Running Linux" by O'Rilley |
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| 15:26.28 | greycat | I prefer modernizing with "sudo -s", but on systems where sudo is not installed, I have edited /etc/login.defs to restore the sane behavior. |
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| 15:28.58 | rwp | The problem with "sudo -s" is that it leaves $HOME set to the user. And then bad behaving programs (I am looking at you aptitude, but there are others) leave files behind owned by root. |
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| 15:29.46 | greycat | FreeBSD's su doesn't change PATH. OpenBSD's su looks like it *does* change PATH now... I'll need to check older pages to see if this is a change. |
| 15:30.54 | greycat | Hmm, even back to obsd 4.0 it changes PATH for UID 0. |
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| 15:32.59 | greycat | Here we go. OpenBSD changed from the FreeBSD/RedHat behavior (do not change PATH) to its current behavior (change PATH for UID 0) in OpenBSD 3.0 (December 2001). |
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| 15:34.22 | vlt | uio: If that helps: The upgrade from 9.9 to 10.0 is different from 10.0 to 10.1. |
| 15:36.21 | rwp | I have always put /usr/sbin:/sbin into my PATH as a normal user. I think mostly for 'ping' back in the day. I forget now what commands were in sbin that I wanted in my normal environment now. Wasn't ping in one of the sbins back then? If not ping then at least one of the other useful networking commands. |
| 15:36.41 | greycat | ifconfig was probably one you wanted |
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| 15:39.05 | greycat | modinfo is also OK to run as a regular user, but lives in /sbin |
| 15:39.10 | rwp | FTR I agree that /etc/login.defs now needs to have ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes for sane behavior. I had not really looked at the su PATH change until now. I had just noted that it had changed to not set PATH anymore. |
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| 15:40.03 | greycat | and then someone could please fix #905564 because come on, seriously |
| 15:40.04 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/905564 in login (open): «login: shows error about "ALWAYS_SET_PATH" which is supported by "su" from "util-linux"»; severity: minor; opened: 2018-08-06; last modified: 2018-08-20. |
| 15:40.47 | greycat | but it probably won't get fixed |
| 15:41.29 | rwp | As a workaround someone could wrap su with a wrapper that sets PATH before calling su. |
| 15:42.11 | greycat | the wrapper would have to guess which user you're switching to, and only act when switching to root, which makes it nontrivial |
| 15:42.36 | greycat | unless you just put sbin-dirs in for *everyone*, which is acceptable to me |
| 15:43.08 | rwp | I always add the sbin-dirs to my normal user PATH. It's fine. |
| 15:43.13 | rwp | In face to face conversations I often proclaim that every Debian release is incrementally more buggy than the one before it. And then sigh deeply... |
| 15:45.14 | jhutchins_wk | rwp: Which is wrong. |
| 15:45.43 | jhutchins_wk | rwp: There have been several releases that were overall significantly better than the previous one. |
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| 15:46.19 | armin | :-) |
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| 15:46.44 | rwp | It seems like every release my local errata file about problems in the release gets longer and longer. |
| 15:47.33 | rwp | I am adding notes about 'su' to my local Buster 10 errata file right now... |
| 15:47.57 | greycat | The interface name change thing is pretty horrible too. |
| 15:48.00 | jhutchins_wk | rwp: What was your first Debian release? |
| 15:48.03 | embden | jhutchins_wk: I have a small experience with Debian I used 8-9, 10th was unbearable for me, so now I am a mate guy. But I use it for work-in-progress things |
| 15:48.38 | rwp | The first Debian system I installed was Potato. But that was during the Woody release candidate time period and it was almost immediately upgraded to Woody. |
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| 15:50.23 | embden | rwp: thanks, I thought it is a mistake in my case, so I reinstalled with netinst media and PATH there also doesn't include /usr/sbin for root. |
| 15:50.27 | lf94 | Maybe debian is too large for its own good |
| 15:50.28 | rwp | Lamont grabbed me by the nose and dragged me through the Potato installation. On an HP x4000 workstation. |
| 15:50.33 | greycat | !buster su |
| 15:50.33 | dpkg | The <su> command changed in buster: it no longer overrides the PATH variable so commands normally available to root are not found. Put ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes in /etc/login.defs to get an approximation of the old behavior. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for workarounds. |
| 15:51.12 | greycat | !factinfo buster su |
| 15:51.12 | dpkg | buster su -- created by greycat <~wooledg@139.137.128.43> at Thu Jul 11 19:56:26 2019 (46 days); it has been requested 22 times, last by greycat, 39s ago. |
| 15:51.23 | greycat | Hmm... |
| 15:51.58 | greycat | does factinfo not show *changes* to the factoids? |
| 15:52.14 | uio | vlt Thanks! |
| 15:52.59 | embden | greycat: what is the reason to do so...I mean users switch to root to make their work more comfortable...why to exclude the directories from the PATH? |
| 15:53.13 | greycat | Did you miss the ENTIRE discussion we just had? |
| 15:53.31 | humpled | :v |
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| 15:54.02 | rwp | embden, The general consensus is that su *should* set PATH and that not doing so is buggy behavior introduced in Buster 10. |
| 15:54.38 | rwp | Which greycat has been saying all along. And I was convinced to that conclusion through the discussion just now. |
| 15:54.39 | greycat | If you literally want me to tell you the REASON they changed it: apparently they decided to use the same source code that Red Hat is using, instead of the source code they had been using up through Debian 9. And the Red Hat source code behaves in this way. And they didn't bother overriding it. |
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| 15:54.45 | jhutchins_wk | embden: su is flexible, and different people use it differently. Originally (as far as Linxu goes) su did not chnage the environment, su - did. Because new users were constantly ignorant of that, a kludge was added that caused su for root to change the user environment. That has finally been corrected. |
| 15:54.58 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: lies. |
| 15:55.47 | jelly | flexes su (to see if it breaks into s and u) |
| 15:55.51 | tgunr | so much easier to just login as root |
| 15:56.26 | jelly | tgunr: except you're actively prevented to log in as root into GUI |
| 15:56.27 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Ya, well, you came down out of a different tree than I did. |
| 15:56.36 | jelly | ...in some cases |
| 15:56.42 | tgunr | dont need a gui as root |
| 15:56.46 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: Which is a good thing. |
| 15:56.55 | rwp | Never log into the graphical login manager and start X as root. Millions of lines of potential vulnerabilities in the code. |
| 15:57.07 | tgunr | been logging in as roott for almost 40 years |
| 15:57.30 | tgunr | YMMV |
| 15:57.31 | jhutchins_wk | If you NEED a GUI you probably shouldn't have root access. |
| 15:57.36 | rwp | Is X 40 years old now? |
| 15:57.39 | greycat | I log in as root all the time *on the console* or *on ssh*. Never through a graphical Display Manager. |
| 15:57.40 | tgunr | nods |
| 15:57.41 | humpled | :þ |
| 15:57.58 | tgunr | Started with System III |
| 15:58.02 | humpled | but can't read the release notes |
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| 15:59.33 | tgunr | running on a LSI-23 with 768KB RAM :) |
| 15:59.56 | karlpinc | I'm using an X client and server on different machines. I know there's other (qt?, etc.) protocols that do this but so far this has worked. I'm reluctant to try something new that might limit which applications I can use, depending on the application toolkit. Do I have options (aside from vnc) that give me an underlying protocol I can use with all my apps? |
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| 16:00.17 | rwp | Remember that just because someone can do a thing does not mean that someone should do a thing. Sure it is possible to log into X as root. But one should never do it. |
| 16:00.35 | rwp | With great power comes great responsibility. |
| 16:00.47 | uio | rwp, Where does the security issue come from? |
| 16:01.03 | rwp | karlpinc, I did not discern a question in there. What did I miss? |
| 16:01.30 | rwp | uio, The security issue comes from literally millions of lines of code that was not written with root operation or security in mind. |
| 16:02.02 | embden | also, does somebody currently work on SELinux support in Debian? |
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| 16:02.16 | uio | rwp, Probably a dumb question, but does X give more function? Is it not just a change in form? |
| 16:02.22 | jelly | embden: support is there. Policies are basically nonexistent. |
| 16:02.41 | rwp | uio, X give more function? More than what? What are you comparing it against? |
| 16:02.51 | jhutchins_wk | embden: Somebody does. It used to be one of the Federal security agencies - nsa? - these days it's mostly RedHat employes. |
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| 16:03.44 | rwp | Every RHEL client I work with (CAD/EDA applications) installs RHEL and disables SELinux. Because the vendors don't keep up with it. |
| 16:03.45 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: redhat employees working on Debian? |
| 16:03.58 | jelly | pray tell |
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| 16:04.03 | uio | rwp, I mean, does X actually have other tools (fuctions)? Isn't just display (form). |
| 16:04.23 | embden | jelly: do you know whom can I contact? I want to dig in a bit |
| 16:04.23 | uio | *Isn't it just display (form)? |
| 16:04.50 | rwp | uio, I am still not sure what you are asking. X provides a graphical display environment. |
| 16:04.51 | Henry151 | hi #debian |
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| 16:05.12 | uio | rwp, And how can display cause vulnerabilities? |
| 16:05.15 | Henry151 | i screwed up super royally and i need halp XD https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-install-plex-media-server-on-debian-9/ i was following these directions |
| 16:05.43 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: Not on Debian, on Linux. |
| 16:06.01 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: user did not ask for "on Linux" |
| 16:06.06 | uio | rwp, X doesn't have any additional power, so how could more go wrong? |
| 16:06.06 | Henry151 | when i got to sudo apt install apt-transport-https , it said "you're about to do something potentially horrible, type "Yes, do as i say" |
| 16:06.07 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: systemd is a RH project, but it's used by debian. |
| 16:06.09 | Henry151 | and i did it |
| 16:06.16 | Henry151 | now, I have no apt |
| 16:06.37 | jelly | !pal Henry151 |
| 16:06.38 | dpkg | points at Henry151 and laughs uproariously |
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| 16:06.50 | rwp | uio, If I knew of a specific instance I would be filing a bug rated security vulnerability and that specific thing would get fixed. |
| 16:06.54 | uio | jelly, lol |
| 16:07.08 | Henry151 | lmao |
| 16:07.10 | rwp | uio, But literally millions of lines of un-audited code running as root should be sending chills down your spine. |
| 16:07.18 | Henry151 | so I went and downloaded a .deb from https://debian.pkgs.org/9/debian-main-amd64/apt_1.4.9_amd64.deb.html |
| 16:07.30 | Henry151 | now i have https://bpaste.net/show/FrFg this going on |
| 16:07.37 | Henry151 | can someone halp me fix it all? |
| 16:07.51 | jelly | Henry151: which debian release is this supposed to be? |
| 16:08.00 | uio | rwp, I guess I just thought that all those lines only worked around display and not actually extra functions, so there shouldn't be increased risk. |
| 16:08.16 | Henry151 | jelly: it's supposed to be stretch |
| 16:08.29 | Henry151 | but if I have to update it to the newer version, I won't mind, now is as good a time as any |
| 16:08.29 | uio | rwp, But I don't really know what I'm talking about :) |
| 16:08.39 | jelly | ,v libc-bin |
| 16:08.40 | judd | Package: libc-bin on amd64 -- jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; bullseye: 2.28-10; buster: 2.28-10; sid: 2.28-10; experimental: 2.29-0experimental0 |
| 16:08.41 | rwp | Henry151, How did you arrive at that condition? |
| 16:09.00 | rwp | Henry151, What did you do immediately before that created that condition? |
| 16:09.05 | jelly | Henry151: it's not stretch, you have at least some packages from debian 10 (buster) |
| 16:09.28 | Henry151 | rwp: scroll up, i think i explain it up there? i was doing this: https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-install-plex-media-server-on-debian-9/ and i had last done "sudo apt install apt-transport-https" |
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| 16:09.41 | jelly | Henry151: pastebin the output of "dpkg -l dpkg libc6 base-files" and your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
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| 16:10.15 | jelly | Henry151: how much time have you spent on this installation by now? |
| 16:10.48 | jelly | Henry151: if it's less than say 4-8 hours thus far, reinstall, it's the simplest thing to do |
| 16:10.50 | Henry151 | https://termbin.com/3m7p https://termbin.com/97o2 this literally happened thirty-five seconds in to this installation. |
| 16:10.54 | Henry151 | oh |
| 16:10.59 | Henry151 | i mean this installation of plex. |
| 16:11.13 | Henry151 | this overall debian installation, I have devoted like, weeks to it |
| 16:11.13 | jelly | and maybe next time heed the warning |
| 16:11.18 | Henry151 | and it's a currently running media server |
| 16:11.21 | Henry151 | with a bunch of users. |
| 16:11.29 | jelly | do you have a backup? |
| 16:11.29 | Henry151 | it's still working as far as serving my media! |
| 16:11.32 | Henry151 | nope |
| 16:11.37 | jelly | why not? |
| 16:11.40 | rwp | uio, That is actually the problem. You are not thinking about how it can go wrong. But neither were the authors thinking about how it could go wrong running as root either! That is itself the problem. |
| 16:12.11 | Henry151 | because i'm dumb, i guess. but mostly because it has like 5TB of music and video on it |
| 16:12.12 | jelly | ,v dpkg |
| 16:12.13 | judd | Package: dpkg on amd64 -- jessie-security: 1.17.26; jessie: 1.17.27; stretch: 1.18.25; bullseye: 1.19.7; buster: 1.19.7; sid: 1.19.7 |
| 16:12.24 | Henry151 | i suppose i could and should have just backed up everything but the media |
| 16:12.30 | greycat | Henry151: you've definitely got some buster files from *somewhere*. If you didn't put buster sources in /etc/apt/sources.list then perhaps they are in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* or something. |
| 16:12.49 | jelly | Henry151: at some point in the past you had enabled repos for a release NEWER than stretch (debian 9) and had many packages upgraded |
| 16:13.02 | Henry151 | https://termbin.com/t70n |
| 16:13.15 | rwp | Henry151, Let's see... You are running Jessie. You downloaded a single apt deb from Stretch and installed it. Is that right? |
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| 16:13.27 | uio | rwp, I mean, there has to be a lot more to it than not thinking there would be a problem. Drinking tea while logged in as root is, I assume, quite safe, but I've never thought about it much. |
| 16:13.37 | rwp | If so then I think you can download the correct apt for Debian 9 and downgrade back down to it. |
| 16:13.57 | jelly | rwp: they have libc6, dpkg and base-files from debian 10. |
| 16:13.57 | greycat | No, he can't downgrade. He could finish UPgrading to buster. |
| 16:14.04 | rwp | uio, Bring this up again later. Let's try to help Henry at the moment. :-) |
| 16:14.14 | jelly | and very likely lots more. |
| 16:14.22 | uio | rwp, Sure :) I guess it is a support channel after all. |
| 16:14.44 | jelly | Henry151: and you probably had apt from debian 10 as well |
| 16:15.00 | Henry151 | I would like to upgrade |
| 16:15.13 | Henry151 | but now that i ruined my apt i'm dying over here. |
| 16:15.16 | rwp | It's not clear to me from reading what exactly Henry151 did to get here. "sudo dpkg -i apt_1.4.9_amd64.deb" was that all? If so then I think none of those other things happened. |
| 16:15.43 | greycat | rwp: he's got base-files from buster. That did not happen with stretch sources and a hand-downloaded apt*.deb file. |
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| 16:16.17 | rwp | Henry151, What is your base system? What had you been running before? Buster 10? What was in sources.list ? |
| 16:16.29 | rwp | ,v apt |
| 16:16.30 | judd | Package: apt on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.9.8.4; jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.5; stretch: 1.4.9; stretch-security: 1.4.9; buster: 1.8.2; bullseye: 1.8.3; sid: 1.8.3; experimental: 1.9.3 |
| 16:16.34 | greycat | either he pointed sources at buster, installed some crap, and then pointed them back to stretch... or he did a LOT more *.deb files than just one |
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| 16:17.22 | Henry151 | so, previously, i had changed my /etc/apt/sources.list from "stretch" to "stable" and ran "apt update" and "apt upgrade" and then, tried to go backwards, changed /etc/apt/sources.list back to saying "stretch" and done the apt update and apt upgrade again |
| 16:17.30 | Henry151 | this was a month ago or so |
| 16:17.32 | greycat | Yeah, that won't work. |
| 16:17.37 | Henry151 | everything was working fine after that operation |
| 16:18.01 | greycat | Your best bet at this point is to point sources back to buster (not "stable", as that is a moving target), and finish upgrading to buster. |
| 16:18.16 | rwp | After that operation of changing to 'stable' and upgrading from that point on you were running Buster 10. Since 'stable' is an alias for Buster 10 since the release to Stable of Buster 10. |
| 16:18.21 | jelly | there is no going backwards. |
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| 16:18.59 | Henry151 | ok |
| 16:19.16 | jelly | going forwards to buster seems the most prudent move. Of course it might break working software/services that is not part of Debian itself, and relies on Debian 9 components |
| 16:19.17 | rwp | And now that 'apt' is broken you will need to use either 'apt-get' or 'aptitude' which are separate binaries. Hopefully nothing in the libs behind are broken. |
| 16:19.31 | jelly | rwp: they uninstalled apt. |
| 16:19.49 | Henry151 | when i try apt-get it says "apt-get: relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-private.so.0.0: symbol _ZN3URIcvNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEEB5cxx11Ev version APTPKG_5.0 not defined in file libapt-pkg.so.5.0 with link time reference" |
| 16:19.49 | jelly | /usr/bin/apt-get is part of apt package. |
| 16:20.15 | jelly | Henry151: pastebin the output of dpkg -l apt libapt\* |
| 16:20.16 | rwp | aptitude then? |
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| 16:20.54 | Henry151 | https://termbin.com/knlr |
| 16:21.21 | jelly | ,v libapt-inst2.0 |
| 16:21.22 | judd | Package: libapt-inst2.0 on amd64 -- stretch: 1.4.9; stretch-security: 1.4.9; buster: 1.8.2; bullseye: 1.8.3; sid: 1.8.3 |
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| 16:21.41 | jelly | Henry151: download and install apt 1.8.2 for amd64 arch from buster. |
| 16:21.58 | jelly | get the link from packages.debian.org |
| 16:22.04 | rwp | A mix of 1.4.9 and 1.8.2. Sigh... I agree. Download apt 1.8.2 from buster and try installing it. |
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| 16:22.39 | Henry151 | ok, looking for the .deb right? |
| 16:22.55 | jelly | Henry151: http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/apt_1.8.2_amd64.deb |
| 16:23.14 | rwp | Henry151, Your https://bpaste.net/show/FrFg showed you doing that for 1.4.9. You need to try to fix that by doing that for 1.8.2. |
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| 16:26.56 | Henry151 | https://bpaste.net/show/olGK |
| 16:27.18 | Henry151 | thank you so much for helping me guys, i have never needed #debian more than i do right now :/ |
| 16:27.27 | Henry151 | guys & gals* as the case may be |
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| 16:27.47 | jelly | Henry151: dpkg --purge apt-transport-https |
| 16:27.55 | jelly | and redo |
| 16:28.23 | jelly | https functionality is part of apt itself now |
| 16:28.33 | jelly | (there was no need to install it in the first place) |
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| 16:29.03 | uio | greycat |
| 16:29.30 | Henry151 | https://bpaste.net/show/tgkX that seemed to work |
| 16:30.06 | Henry151 | now i modify my /etc/apt/source.list to point to buster? |
| 16:30.12 | jelly | right |
| 16:30.16 | jelly | !buster sources.list |
| 16:30.17 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 16:31.04 | uio | oops |
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| 16:34.40 | Henry151 | so my previous sources.list had main contrib non-free, any reason to not do that here? |
| 16:35.24 | Henry151 | and i imagine i should remove that plex source from /etc/apt/sources.list.d as well, at least for the moment until i have things fixed? |
| 16:35.46 | Henry151 | and then i do an apt update? |
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| 16:36.08 | Henry151 | this all seems fairly obvious but i just want to make sure i'm following the best guidance possible because y'all know what you're doing and are giving me advice |
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| 16:36.52 | Henry151 | and just a side note, I work from home and do customer support on the phone, so if i go silent for 5-10 minutes at a time here or there, it likely means i got a work call and had to take it. |
| 16:38.27 | jelly | Henry151: if you had reason to add contrib non-free in addition to main before (firmware?) the same reasons probably still apply |
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| 16:42.10 | Henry151 | ok |
| 16:42.23 | Henry151 | i'm going to try to apt update now. |
| 16:42.45 | Henry151 | seemed to work... try apt upgrade now i imagine? |
| 16:43.14 | Henry151 | i'm just trying to be extra cautious and make sure to follow the guidance correctly here because i am afraid of screwing this up. |
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| 16:45.22 | Henry151 | and after the apt upgrade, an apt dist-upgrade? |
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| 16:46.19 | Henry151 | i am going to pause and smoke a cigarette and wait for confirmation that i'm on the right path here. |
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| 16:48.34 | jelly | dpkg, stretch->buster |
| 16:48.34 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove stable-specific lines like stretch-backports. apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 16:49.31 | jelly | Henry151: at this point you can probably continue from the "apt full-upgrade" step |
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| 16:49.42 | Henry151 | thank you! |
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| 16:51.29 | jelly | read those. When apt has some output, read that as well and see if it plans to remove some stuff you want. |
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| 16:54.11 | Henry151 | i think it worked |
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| 16:54.47 | Henry151 | and holy crap, my apache and ampache and nextcloud are all still being served successfully |
| 16:54.53 | Henry151 | i'm quite surprised, actually |
| 16:55.05 | Henry151 | nothing broke, everything worked |
| 16:56.08 | Henry151 | now i just uncomment deb https://downloads.plex.tv/repo/deb ./public main |
| 16:57.01 | Henry151 | from the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/plexmediaserver.list , and run apt update, apt install plexmediaserver ? thank you so much for rescuing me, #debian, i love you guys/gals. |
| 16:58.04 | Henry151 | or is there some other recommended procedure for installing plex? |
| 16:58.26 | tgunr | i just folloed the instructions on the plex site |
| 16:58.33 | tgunr | worked for me |
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| 17:18.32 | elwisp | had to do hard reboot on my machine just now. Says i need to run fsck. fsck says i still have errors. i have tried backup superblock |
| 17:19.28 | karlpinc | elwisp: You probably want to reboot and add the following parameter to the kernel command line: fsck.mode=force |
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| 17:20.10 | karlpinc | elwisp: man systemd-fsck |
| 17:20.13 | elwisp | i run debian on a desktp. And i have it encrypted. Right after typing in my password i get Resuming from hibernation. Which is wierd then just straign in to recovery journal get some buffer I/O error but i dont think the drive is toast. Its a quite new SSD Maybe a year old |
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| 17:20.34 | elwisp | karlpinc: i will try |
| 17:20.47 | elwisp | karlpinc: cant i just run it from initramfs? |
| 17:20.49 | greycat | karlpinc: ooooh, finally someone found a replacement for "touch /forcefsck"? |
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| 17:21.10 | karlpinc | elwisp: Losing power on a ssd unexpectedly can break parts of the fs unrelated to whatever's being written. |
| 17:21.17 | karlpinc | elwisp: Sure you can |
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| 17:21.37 | BCMM | elwisp: anything in dmesg? |
| 17:21.48 | elwisp | karlpinc: so fsck -f /dev/mapper/vg..... ? |
| 17:21.50 | karlpinc | greycat: A poor substitute. It's always been there. But it sucks having to mess around editing the kernel command line. |
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| 17:22.19 | elwisp | print_req_error critical medium error dev nvme0n1 |
| 17:22.35 | karlpinc | elwisp: I always use -y, because it is never worth my time trying to figure out a perfect way to repair every broken block. (man fsck for what -y does first.) |
| 17:22.44 | greycat | !factinfo forcefsck |
| 17:22.44 | dpkg | forcefsck -- created by gsimmons <~gsimmons@gsimmons.org> at Wed Apr 15 07:11:10 2009 (3786 days); it has been requested 143 times, last by greycat, 12s ago. |
| 17:23.26 | elwisp | just get "unable to set superblock flags on /dev/mapper....." |
| 17:23.34 | karlpinc | greycat: ("always" as long as systemd started breaking things.) |
| 17:24.01 | elwisp | would changing the kernel command line really do any difference? |
| 17:24.06 | karlpinc | elwisp: I don't know if the intramfs has unencrypted the device yet. |
| 17:24.29 | karlpinc | elwisp: You might have to cryptsetup (or something) before fscking. |
| 17:24.34 | elwisp | hmm |
| 17:24.35 | elwisp | good point |
| 17:25.08 | greycat | dpkg, systemd-fsck is <reply>Under systemd, <forcefsck> no longer works. You can force all file systems to be checked by adding "fsck.mode=force" to your kernel parameters from the GRUB menu (see systemd-fsck(8)). There doesn't appear to be a way to force *just* the root file system to be checked. |
| 17:25.09 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 17:27.00 | elwisp | gotcha. i was running fsck on the wrong thing i thnk cryptsetup says it has setup the cruptcontainer however |
| 17:27.13 | elwisp | but it complains about the lvm volume |
| 17:27.27 | elwisp | i think i need to boot into a live environment to debug this |
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| 17:28.38 | Henry151 | thank you all again one more time. I have plex working now and fixed my debian install thanks to this great chatroom. I am going to idle in here and try my best to use my knowledge to help others as much as possible over the coming weeks, to pay it back. Thank you. |
| 17:29.13 | tgunr | which instructions did you end up using for plex? |
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| 17:35.20 | elwisp | got same error when running from live usb |
| 17:35.26 | elwisp | Hmm maybe this disk is toast |
| 17:36.04 | tgunr | not unusual, had 3 go bad on me this year all about a year old |
| 17:36.24 | elwisp | should have noticed something |
| 17:36.35 | elwisp | or maybe the crash was the moment it died |
| 17:36.59 | tgunr | what does smartctl say? |
| 17:37.07 | Henry151 | tgunr: I went to their main page and downloaded the .deb and installed it with dpkg -i |
| 17:37.17 | rwp | In the past two weeks I have had one sata disk cable vibrate loose, one on motherboard disk controller fail hard, and one disk drive mostly fail, on three different systems, but all had 70,000+ hours on them. |
| 17:37.21 | tgunr | nods |
| 17:38.23 | tgunr | thatâs 8 years, time to repleace |
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| 17:39.02 | tgunr | we had some scsi drives go past 120000 |
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| 17:41.04 | elwisp | 1.3 milion media and data integrity errors |
| 17:41.11 | elwisp | i guess that means its toast |
| 17:41.26 | tgunr | toss in the rust heap |
| 17:42.43 | elwisp | available spare: 0% |
| 17:42.50 | elwisp | well theres my answer i guess |
| 17:43.00 | elwisp | fekk, i just wanted to play minecraft tonight hehe |
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| 17:49.48 | elwisp | can anyone suggest a way to dump this hdd data to a file before i toss it in the garbage pile? |
| 17:50.22 | greycat | How have you been backing it up? |
| 17:50.42 | elwisp | nextcloud |
| 17:51.02 | elwisp | so i got data. But it would be nice to recover some vms that i have there |
| 17:51.11 | elwisp | not critical but it would be nice |
| 17:51.15 | elwisp | im not sure that i care though |
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| 18:01.42 | elwisp | the luks container reads just fine with ddrescue |
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| 18:35.28 | oft_gegong | anyone recommend any Debian free games? I looked at the list in Synaptic after searching "games." There are so many lol. |
| 18:36.00 | oft_gegong | or nevermind I searched "game" |
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| 18:41.30 | diogenes_ | oft_gegong, chromium-bsu, tesseract. |
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| 18:58.05 | humpled | depends what kind of games you like |
| 18:58.30 | raidghost | GTA <3 |
| 18:58.45 | raidghost | Gta 1 - A classic |
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| 19:00.14 | humpled | aint nobody got time for dat |
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| 19:03.12 | greycat | no dat |
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| 19:16.28 | gremlin42 | freeorion I have played less, but it looks fun |
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| 19:22.23 | Megalomen77 | hello |
| 19:22.27 | Megalomen77 | !list |
| 19:22.27 | dpkg | megalomen77: Ã possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ ! |
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| 19:32.32 | jhutchins_wk | Haven't seen that in a while. |
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| 19:34.50 | ZaZaGX | i like debian so much. I'm going to name my first son Debs |
| 19:36.06 | hop | ZaZaGX: you are ware of the origin of the name debian? |
| 19:36.16 | ZaZaGX | yeah |
| 19:36.50 | hop | just checking o.O |
| 19:37.17 | karlpinc | ZaZaGX: The answer is, debian 10.1 will have no new features. |
| 19:37.19 | karlpinc | !stable |
| 19:37.19 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Buster (10.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 19:37.41 | greycat | Why not name your daughter Debs instead? And your son Ian? |
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| 19:39.36 | jelly | karlpinc: if bugs are features, it will have even LESS features than 10.0 |
| 19:40.02 | ZaZaGX | well, i just learned about Eugene V. Debs in US history class in college. he was a leader in working with Bosses and Unions |
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| 19:42.14 | ZaZaGX | Debs sounds like a cool name for a male to me. and it fits to be a leader |
| 19:44.43 | ZaZaGX | well, when i was playing Pokemon cards with this Dad and daughter, i liked this daugther's name. her name is Itzy |
| 19:45.34 | jelly | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 19:46.02 | ZaZaGX | its empty in there. |
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| 19:46.32 | ZaZaGX | i need tech support with naming my daughter a debian-base or theme name |
| 19:47.05 | jelly | keep this channel for actual tech support plz |
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| 19:47.28 | ZaZaGX | ok |
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| 19:48.44 | jelly | "I'll wax poetic in the main channel because it has more people" does not scale well unfortunately |
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| 19:51.13 | touki | hi all. my laptop is heating with debian buster (it was not on stretch). i was told it might be the new Gnome, but the same happens with XFCE. |
| 19:51.19 | touki | any idea? |
| 19:51.41 | hop | .oO(relocate farther north) |
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| 19:51.48 | hop | or south, whichever |
| 19:51.57 | touki | (it starts heating significantly few minutes after startup) |
| 19:52.05 | hop | touki: is the load or cpu usage actually high? |
| 19:52.11 | touki | hop: costly. i was looking for a chip thing. |
| 19:52.15 | touki | *cheap |
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| 19:52.30 | hop | it probably *is* a chip thing⦠|
| 19:53.10 | jhutchins_wk | touki: How are you aware that it's "heating"? |
| 19:53.47 | hop | does it "heat" when you start no gui at all? |
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| 19:54.20 | hop | does it "heat" without gui and some cpu activity? |
| 19:54.27 | hop | loads of ideas⦠|
| 19:54.48 | jelly | touki: does the fan spin up when that happens |
| 19:54.51 | ws2k3 | on a machine i see an interface called eht2:FO2 and eth2:FO4. what are these kinda interfaces? |
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| 19:55.57 | jelly | ws2k3: iface:number usually used for old style addtional ip addresses on the same iface |
| 19:56.03 | jelly | "aliases" |
| 19:56.10 | karlpinc | ws2k3: Usually aliases. One physical interface but 2 logical ones. |
| 19:56.16 | touki | jhutchins_wk: my fingers tell me so. and psensors confirms that ssd and cores are +60° for no interfaces. |
| 19:56.16 | touki | *no or few software launched |
| 19:56.37 | jelly | ws2k3: show the output of "ip a" and look at /etc/network/interfaces contents for clues |
| 19:56.40 | hop | touki: facts, not feelings |
| 19:56.46 | jelly | ws2k3: which debian release? |
| 19:56.49 | karlpinc | touki: Now you can cook eggs for breakfast. |
| 19:57.21 | jelly | slow cooked eggs, maybe |
| 19:57.28 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: He said buster, upgraded from stretch. |
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| 19:58.16 | hop | they did not |
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| 19:58.41 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: who, windows server 2003? |
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| 20:00.24 | jhutchins_wk | :51 < touki> hi all. my laptop is heating with debian buster (it was not on stretch). |
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| 20:01.13 | hop | jhutchins_wk: unless i missed a nick change, you need to check your name recognition |
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| 20:03.17 | jelly | or glasses prescription! |
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| 20:03.33 | touki | logged out. |
| 20:03.42 | touki | still as hot. any ideas? |
| 20:03.46 | hop | that's ableism. but hey they are sexist, so who cares *g* |
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| 20:04.14 | hop | .oO(say "any ideas" one more time) |
| 20:04.24 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 20:04.24 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of rutabagas, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of starving goats. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 20:04.46 | touki | good. |
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| 20:05.08 | ZaZaGX | have you tried ice or ice cream? |
| 20:05.18 | ZaZaGX | it might cool it down faster |
| 20:05.22 | karlpinc | touki: Does the fan work? Is there a way to tell when the fan is supposed to start? (Yes, but I forgot all I once knew.) |
| 20:05.24 | hop | chiper than moving closer to the pole |
| 20:05.27 | jelly | touki: does the fan spin up? |
| 20:05.38 | jelly | can you hear it? |
| 20:05.41 | jhutchins_wk | touki: I'm sorry, it seems like it's silly hour here. |
| 20:06.24 | jhutchins_wk | touki: I think your best bet would be to make sure the power settings were reasonable and to use some tool like top/atop/htop/sysstat to figure out where the load is coming from. |
| 20:06.41 | jelly | touki: also, does the same symptom persist if you boot with old 4.9 kernel from stretch? |
| 20:06.49 | jhutchins_wk | touki: There are GUI monitors as well, but the have feedback problems. |
| 20:07.28 | jhutchins_wk | touki: As hop suggested, you should see if it still runs hot if you kill the GUI. |
| 20:08.13 | touki | under stretch it seemed to be fine. I check now for the fan. |
| 20:08.40 | trek00 | touki: the sensors command sometimes prints values about fan |
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| 20:09.34 | jhutchins_wk | ,v lm_sensors |
| 20:09.35 | judd | No package named 'lm_sensors' was found in amd64. |
| 20:09.40 | jhutchins_wk | ,v lm-sensors |
| 20:09.41 | judd | Package: lm-sensors on amd64 -- jessie: 1:3.3.5-2; stretch: 1:3.4.0-4; bullseye: 1:3.5.0-3; buster: 1:3.5.0-3; sid: 1:3.5.0-3 |
| 20:09.59 | touki | sensors gives: "Exhaust : 1435 RPM", which I suppose is for the fan. so it seems to work. |
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| 20:11.09 | touki | ssd is above 70°, while the rest is below 60. |
| 20:11.28 | jelly | can you, in fact, hear the fan? |
| 20:11.45 | jhutchins_wk | ... possibly feel the exhaust. |
| 20:12.08 | touki | jelly: not quite, and it is far from the maximum rate, according to sensors. this being said, before going xfce, I was hearing the fan massively. |
| 20:13.47 | touki | (it is a macbook air) |
| 20:14.00 | jhutchins_wk | touki: The sensors calibration is sometimes off, we are trying to determine whether the fan is infact still running, although I think the question of what's causing the load is more pertinent. |
| 20:14.05 | trek00 | touki: usually I run gkrellm to check realtime system resources utilization |
| 20:14.28 | jhutchins_wk | trek00: I believe that uses lm-sensors as a back-end. |
| 20:15.13 | trek00 | jhutchins_wk: yes, it uses sensors too, but it's handy to check cpu/ssd utilization paired with temperatures |
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| 20:16.44 | jhutchins_wk | trek00: The problem with GUI monitors like that is that they sometimes generate their own load that masks the actual problem. |
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| 20:18.12 | trek00 | jhutchins_wk: yes, actually gkrellm is very lightweight except for a single fork every 3 seconds, but the cpu utilization is really low |
| 20:19.17 | touki | it says: TH0A is around 72°, which I believe is SSD, checking. |
| 20:19.43 | trek00 | touki: it's really high |
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| 20:20.01 | jhutchins_wk | (Assuming it's C, which it usually is. |
| 20:21.00 | trek00 | touki: is the disk idle? |
| 20:21.03 | touki | cores are around 60. |
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| 20:22.14 | touki | trek00: nope. |
| 20:22.59 | trek00 | touki: the cores may be ok, it depends by the model, but if ssd is consumer grade, it should not go above 50°C for long time and if it's idle, may be an hardware problem, the cables are ok? |
| 20:23.38 | karlpinc | likes 'vmstat 1' for a quick overview of system load |
| 20:23.49 | touki | trek00: it is a Macbook laptop, so I can't tell. |
| 20:24.42 | touki | karlpinc: vmstat 1 log: https://paste.debian.net/1097626/ |
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| 20:25.11 | trek00 | touki: laptop have always heating problems, try putting some pencils or bottle caps under you laptop to facilitate air flow |
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| 20:26.14 | touki | trek00: agree, but there, it really starts heating 3 minutes after the launch. |
| 20:26.42 | trek00 | touki: your vmstat says your system is pretty idle just now |
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| 20:28.10 | touki | trek00: yes. so that may be a hardware / firmware problem? like the ssd would not have liked the last reformating or the new debian does not handle well mac ssd? |
| 20:28.13 | trek00 | touki: 3 minutes after power on or after booting linux or starting xfce? |
| 20:28.53 | jhutchins_wk | Strange, if your system can't find the driver I wonder how you're bringing it up manually. |
| 20:29.15 | touki | I never waited 3 minutes between startup and logging in. |
| 20:29.31 | jhutchins_wk | trek00: He said it was fine under stretch, so it's not likely to be a hardware issue. |
| 20:29.42 | trek00 | touki: please tell me the model so I can check some bugs i'm aware of |
| 20:29.58 | jhutchins_wk | We've suggested several useful tests, booting to an older kernel and running load monitors, no response on those. |
| 20:30.02 | trek00 | jhutchins_wk: thanks i missed that part |
| 20:30.28 | touki | jhutchins_wk: ok. so I will try to boot on another kernel. |
| 20:31.11 | touki | see you in a bit then |
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| 20:33.15 | trek00 | is there a web search for packages of unofficial debian ports? somethink like packages.debian.org but for hurd/bsd other archs |
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| 20:34.01 | towo` | https://www.ports.debian.org/ |
| 20:35.07 | trek00 | towo`: thanks :) |
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| 20:36.06 | BCMM | trek00: for Sid, unofficial ports show up on the normal packages site, with "(unofficial port)" after them. https://packages.debian.org/sid/bash for example |
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| 20:37.00 | BCMM | that only seems to cover some unofficial architectures, and i'm not sure why that is |
| 20:37.52 | trek00 | BCMM: here hurd/bsd are missed |
| 20:38.21 | jhutchins_wk | BCMM: "Why" is "because nobody's doing the work". |
| 20:38.37 | trek00 | uhm, and do you know where to find build errors of packages? |
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| 20:39.16 | BCMM | jhutchins_wk: i didn't mean it as a complaint! i mean that I don't understand exactly why "work" is needed - i thought pacakges.debian.org automatically showed metadata for what's on the mirrors |
| 20:39.36 | trek00 | i remember there was a page with the output of automatic builds |
| 20:39.56 | BCMM | is it to do with which architechtures are hosted on the ports infrastructure and which are hosted on the "normal" debian infrastructure? |
| 20:40.16 | jhutchins_wk | BCMM: Yeah, but somebody's got to set up the automation, which apparently hasn't happened. |
| 20:40.21 | trek00 | found that, buildd.debian.org |
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| 20:50.12 | cbthree | Can you install Debian 10 using a LIVE image, for example, debian-live-10.0.0-amd64-mate.iso after establishing a live session? |
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| 20:51.09 | cbthree | Can you install Debian 10 using a LIVE image, for example, debian-live-10.0.0-amd64-mate.iso after establishing a live session? |
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| 20:51.44 | towo` | cbthree, yes you can |
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| 20:53.06 | trek00 | i really liked the persistence on live usb sticks, it's like to have your debian everywhere :) |
| 20:53.36 | cbthree | towo`, after you initiate a LIVE session where is the option to install Debian onto the hard disk? |
| 20:53.54 | karlpinc | cbthree: Yes. (I find it eaiser to install from the installer.) |
| 20:54.07 | karlpinc | cbthree: There's instructions in the installation manual. |
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| 20:54.33 | karlpinc | cbthree: (In other words, I forget.) |
| 20:54.56 | towo` | cbthree, the live media is using calamares as installer |
| 20:55.09 | towo` | i've never used a live debian by myself |
| 20:56.36 | touki | didn't suceed the reboot on older kernel yet. Do you have some documentation link? In the meantime I wask asked to run few other comments, vesides vmstat and iotop |
| 20:56.52 | touki | I should have written then down, I know :( |
| 20:57.01 | trek00 | cbthree: may be you need to select the installer from grub? |
| 20:57.14 | towo` | trek00, no |
| 20:57.28 | towo` | there is calamares t install from live |
| 20:57.35 | towo` | s/t/to |
| 20:58.02 | trek00 | towo`: but calamares is used to install inside the live image or on the harddisk? |
| 20:58.18 | towo` | install to harddisk |
| 20:58.41 | trek00 | touki: iotop shows you the disk usage, top the cpu usage, gkrellm is a graphical catch-all |
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| 20:59.16 | nvz | cbthree: I would not recommend using the live to install, I'd recommend using the netinstall images |
| 20:59.53 | towo` | what's wrong with installing from live image? |
| 21:00.06 | touki | trek00: iotop shows about 0 everywhere, I installed gkrellm, which gave more or less the same values then lm_sensors / psensors. |
| 21:00.08 | trek00 | touki: I was asking only because it is not mentioned in the manual https://live-team.pages.debian.net/live-manual/html/live-manual/customizing-installer.en.html |
| 21:00.10 | cbthree | towo`, i know that when you boot up the Debian 10 Mate Live image you are presented with 5 options, one of them is the Graphical Debian Installer but if you choose the option Debian GNU/Linux Live you do not have the option to install Debian 10 once the live session is initiated |
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| 21:00.26 | trek00 | touki: sorry last message was for towo` |
| 21:00.27 | nvz | towo`: I did it a few months ago and it resulted in an install twice the normal size |
| 21:00.49 | trek00 | touki: do you have stretch installed anymore? |
| 21:01.06 | nvz | towo`: it translations of all documentation and apps for every imaginable language, language support tools like terminals and input utilities for various languages.. etc |
| 21:01.17 | touki | trek00: nope, that's what I figured out. I had installed an LVM on stretch, so instead of upgrading I formatted everything. |
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| 21:02.16 | trek00 | too hot |
| 21:02.35 | cbthree | nvz, the netinstall images are for experienced users who also have a reliable wired internet connection |
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| 21:02.46 | touki | *sorry |
| 21:02.59 | trek00 | nvz: disabling installation of recommends and tasks-* packages usually help reducing the installed syze |
| 21:03.42 | nvz | cbthree: no, they are the exact same installer, that work exactly the same way.. and there are netinstall images with firmware and normal install images with a full DE available on them |
| 21:03.42 | towo` | trek00, calamares has not such option |
| 21:03.50 | karlpinc | cbthree: So long as you have debian running you can use debootstrap to install onto a filesystem. But then you have to do manually a lot of what the installer guides you though. Partionining (encryping?) disks, making filesystems and so forth. |
| 21:04.06 | karlpinc | cbthree: The netinstall is eaiser. |
| 21:04.09 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 21:04.10 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 21:04.35 | karlpinc | cbthree: Always a good idea to use an image with non-free firmware built-in. See above. In case your hardware needs it. |
| 21:04.47 | trek00 | touki: i think it's not that simple to install another kernel on your system, you need to build it from the source, instead you could try to make a live USB stick with an older debian version and check again if temperatures are different, if they are and this is a fresh buster install, i would open a bug report against the kernel |
| 21:05.43 | cbthree | karlpinc, unofficial doesn't inspire much confidence and the person may not have an internet connection wired or wireless |
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| 21:06.45 | nvz | cbthree: the unofficial only means that it includes non-free firmware which is required by a lot of ethernet, wifi, bluetooth, and video adapters |
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| 21:06.55 | towo` | cbthree, if you don't find the installer, open mate-terminal and type sudo calamares |
| 21:07.02 | nvz | we offer all the images with and without firmware.. |
| 21:07.14 | touki | trek00: ok. good. I do that. |
| 21:07.53 | touki | trek00: thanks for the assistance! |
| 21:07.57 | cbthree | ok, thanks |
| 21:08.00 | nvz | it takes more knowledge to use the live and get a normal install than it does with any other option |
| 21:08.20 | trek00 | touki: hope this can help you to diagnose the problem |
| 21:08.29 | ibrokeit | ok, so i suspended an openbsd install, pulled the disk, put in a Debian disk, and unsuspended. Then, I realized my error and instead of pulling the debian disk, I attempted a hard reset (not by pulling the plug though). now i am getting XZ-Compressed data is corrupt |
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| 21:08.38 | nvz | the live is meant to be as inclusive as possible and without knowing how to manipulate a more advanced install, it will install more than 2GB of additional stuff |
| 21:09.02 | ibrokeit | i've mounted /boot and / with a life CD and not sure what is wrong with the kernel or partition, etc. Everything mounts alright. Note: using luks |
| 21:09.38 | ibrokeit | i'm on sid. i've done this before, years ago, but i forget how i fixed it. |
| 21:10.04 | trek00 | ibrokeit: if you can chroot on the broken system, try to launch debsums to check if there are errors on files |
| 21:10.26 | nvz | ibrokeit: you're in the wrong channel if you're using sid, you should be on the OFTC network in #debian-next |
| 21:10.49 | nvz | ibrokeit: but as trek00 said, run debsums, reinstall any packages that are corrupted |
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| 21:11.08 | ibrokeit | i thought buster was next now. anyway, thanks. |
| 21:11.27 | nvz | buster is the current stable release |
| 21:11.37 | gjvc | i'm on sid atm |
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| 21:11.54 | trek00 | ibrokeit: debsums -c will shows only the broken files |
| 21:12.04 | nvz | this is a support channel for debian stable releases, support for testing/unstable is on OFTC in #debian-next |
| 21:12.18 | trek00 | ibrokeit: XZ errors likely comes from the kernel image |
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| 21:13.20 | ibrokeit | trek00, i initially presumed that, but that would mean that I have two broken kernel images, which i don't think could occur from this event |
| 21:14.04 | ibrokeit | i'm on debian 9, which i assumed was sid, and 10 being buster :$ |
| 21:14.26 | nvz | ibrokeit: sid is the unstable branch, it has no version number it always has been and always will be called sid |
| 21:14.29 | dvs | !stretch |
| 21:14.30 | dpkg | Stretch is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch . Ask me about <install stretch>, <release notes>, <jessie->stretch>. |
| 21:14.35 | trek00 | ibrokeit: debsums will tell that, anyway where you get this error? after grub? kernel print something else? |
| 21:15.06 | greycat | It's conceivable that at the time you installed what would later become "debian 9", you were installing sid. If you did it while stretch was still being developed. |
| 21:15.07 | ibrokeit | trek00, after grub, before i would be asked to input the luks password |
| 21:15.18 | ibrokeit | greycat, that's the case |
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| 21:17.00 | karlpinc | ibrokeit: Then it is also important to make sure that your /etc/apt/sources.list does not still list sid as a name, but instead says "stretch". Otherwise you'll just keep tracking sid and have crazyness happen because sid breaks. |
| 21:17.27 | karlpinc | ibrokeit: (And then "apt update" to make the sources.list changes take effect.) |
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| 21:18.02 | karlpinc | ibrokeit: If it's been sid all along and you've been updating, well, there may well be lots-o-trouble. |
| 21:18.12 | ibrokeit | karlpinc, k i'm on 10/buster, not stretch |
| 21:19.02 | trek00 | ibrokeit: if you don't have debsums installed you could manually check with (cd /; md5sum -c /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64.md5sums | grep -v OK$) |
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| 21:26.16 | OS-55522 | hi |
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| 21:28.17 | ibrokeit | trek00, am i going to break anything if i install debsums in a mounted chroot? |
| 21:28.54 | trek00 | ibrokeit: it could be |
| 21:28.58 | ibrokeit | boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-5-amd64: FAILED |
| 21:29.13 | trek00 | ibrokeit: well, you need to reinstall it |
| 21:29.28 | trek00 | ibrokeit: do you fsck on disks before munting? |
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| 21:29.39 | ibrokeit | trek00, yes i did. they passed. |
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| 21:31.28 | trek00 | ibrokeit: if the network is up and all the partitions are mounted rw, you could apt reinstall linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 |
| 21:31.56 | ibrokeit | alright |
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| 21:50.16 | hypn0 | just reinstall - quicker |
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| 21:56.44 | user__ | i'm getting issues with the grub configuration aspect of apt install --reinstall $(kernel) |
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| 21:57.10 | user__ | so i used update-initramfs |
| 21:57.24 | user__ | i'm going to reboot now and see how it goes . note: this is ibrokeit |
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| 22:05.21 | ibrokeit | so it warned me that i was installing a kernel without crypto, and yeah, that was the result |
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| 22:09.56 | trek00 | ibrokeit: it was update-initramfs? |
| 22:10.51 | ibrokeit | update-initramfs is throwing me the "The initramfs image may not contain cryptsetup binaries" error. i ignored it, tried to boot, and it wouldn't due to my drive being LUKS encrypted. |
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| 22:11.25 | ibrokeit | i used update-initramfs instead of apt reinstall because apt reinstall was giving me issues on the grub update aspect |
| 22:13.11 | ibrokeit | the problem for update-initramfs seems to be that i haven't mounted /proc properly, and the problem for apt reinstall seems to be that i haven't mounted /dev properly :/ |
| 22:13.32 | ibrokeit | lol |
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| 22:14.34 | trek00 | ibrokeit: if you are in live install and mounted your broken system to /mnt, you could do: for d in dev proc sys; do mount --bind /$d /mnt/$d; done |
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| 22:16.01 | trek00 | ibrokeit: then you could try again with chroot and reinstall or update-initramfs |
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| 22:21.45 | ibrokeit | trek00, after that, with apt reinstall i get "No file name for linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64" and with update-initramfs I get "update-initramfs is disabled (live system is running without media mounted on /lib/live/mount/medium)" |
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| 22:23.57 | trek00 | ibrokeit: never seen these errors |
| 22:24.04 | ibrokeit | it's ok i'll deal with it |
| 22:24.30 | trek00 | ibrokeit: have you done chroot /mnt bevore apt reinstall? |
| 22:24.41 | ibrokeit | yeah |
| 22:24.51 | ibrokeit | this is in the chroot environment |
| 22:25.18 | trek00 | apt install too? |
| 22:25.22 | ibrokeit | yes |
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| 22:25.55 | ibrokeit | i got around it by using mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-4.19.0-5-amd64 4.19.0-5-amd64 |
| 22:26.19 | ibrokeit | but i still get an issue, which is: WARNING: target 'luks-943c6de2-716e-45ad-a861-03a4ba76991d' not found in /etc/crypttab |
| 22:26.30 | trek00 | ibrokeit: please check if this returns empty output apt-cache show linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 |
| 22:26.55 | ibrokeit | not empty. |
| 22:27.13 | trek00 | ibrokeit: it's strange |
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| 22:28.50 | trek00 | ibrokeit: is the crypttab correct? |
| 22:29.23 | ibrokeit | sda2_crypt UUID=943c6de2-716e-45ad-a861-03a4ba76991d none luks |
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| 22:30.10 | ibrokeit | it is correct |
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| 22:31.11 | ibrokeit | oh wait. if i go to /dev/mapper, the name is correct, but if i run blkid, it's a different uuid |
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| 22:32.39 | trek00 | ibrokeit: it's strange to have different uuid and apt not running fine anymore |
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| 22:36.26 | trek00 | ibrokeit: i don't have many ideas how to repair without making more problems, i would double check if debsums is now ok and try to understand why apt is no more running fine, before to write anything more to the disks |
| 22:36.42 | ibrokeit | ok |
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| 22:37.27 | trek00 | ibrokeit: what says dpkg? there is a double ii at the start of the line of output of dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
| 22:38.22 | ibrokeit | ii linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 4.19.37-5+deb10u2 |
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| 22:39.01 | trek00 | ibrokeit: then it should be installed and configured |
| 22:39.22 | ibrokeit | it's just lacking the required crypto to decrypt my luks |
| 22:40.45 | trek00 | ibrokeit: actually mkinitramfs search for crypto modules loaded, may be this one of the probems |
| 22:40.52 | trek00 | dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools |
| 22:41.02 | trek00 | and select to include all the drivers |
| 22:41.43 | ibrokeit | I: update-initramfs is disabled (live system is running without media mounted on /lib/live/mount/medium). |
| 22:41.55 | ibrokeit | i get that from dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 22:43.29 | trek00 | ibrokeit: i don't know why update-initramfs inside chroot is checking for live system.... |
| 22:44.30 | ibrokeit | lemme see about this |
| 22:44.37 | trek00 | ibrokeit: it seems you are calling the live update-initramfs... |
| 22:44.51 | ibrokeit | from within the chroot |
| 22:45.14 | trek00 | check ls -l /usr/sbin/update-initramfs* |
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| 22:48.06 | trek00 | ibrokeit: may be you have mounted --bind sbin and not sys? |
| 22:48.29 | ibrokeit | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 Dec 8 2017 /usr/sbin/update-initramfs -> /bin/live-update-initramfs |
| 22:50.15 | trek00 | ibrokeit: may be dpkg -l | grep live-tools |
| 22:50.46 | ibrokeit | ii ; it's there |
| 22:51.19 | trek00 | ibrokeit: well uninstall it |
| 22:51.23 | ibrokeit | lol ok |
| 22:51.43 | trek00 | ibrokeit: then your update-initramfs should be restored to normal operation |
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| 22:52.00 | ibrokeit | mmmm yeah |
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| 22:54.41 | ibrokeit | reinstall finished. some errors though. "cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb1" (should be sda1) and "cryptsetup: WARNING: target 'luks-943c6de2-716e-45ad-a861-03a4ba76991d' not found in /etc/crypttab" |
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| 22:56.42 | trek00 | ibrokeit: what's shows lsblk -o+uuid |
| 22:57.10 | ibrokeit | ââluks-943c6de2-716e-45ad-a861-03a4ba76991d 254:0 0 51.1G 0 crypt / |
| 22:58.06 | ibrokeit | and /etc/crypttab shows sda2_crypt UUID=943c6de2-716e-45ad-a861-03a4ba76991d none luks |
| 22:58.21 | trek00 | ibrokeit: i don't have luks, but it seems to be ok |
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| 23:02.26 | trek00 | ibrokeit: do you modified /etc/crypttab after the break? |
| 23:02.34 | ibrokeit | no |
| 23:02.47 | ibrokeit | modified it for testing but put it back the same way it was |
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| 23:03.29 | trek00 | ibrokeit: i would try to reboot once, may be this warning is not so bad, anyway do you have a backup of your initrd for chance? |
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| 23:06.44 | ibrokeit | not that i am aware of. i'll try rebooting and see how it goes. i have an idea to test in grub, since i have an old kernel. might be able to copy over some configs manually. |
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| 23:19.49 | ibrokeit | back. still not letting me decrypt / therefore it is not possible for it to mount the unencrypted partition that it is looking for |
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| 23:21.29 | trek00 | ibrokeit: it says no modules to decrypt partition? |
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| 23:21.42 | trek00 | ibrokeit: or it can't find partition? |
| 23:22.02 | ibrokeit | trek00, it says it can't find the partition, and identifies the UUID of the decrypted partition, not the encrypted one |
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| 23:23.18 | trek00 | ibrokeit: you should have the inner uuid in fstab and outer uuid in crypttab (may be other levels of uuid if you have lvm/md) |
| 23:23.32 | trek00 | ibrokeit: check if they are correct in your lsblk |
| 23:24.10 | trek00 | ibrokeit: uuid for / should be the innermost and the same as the one written in fstab |
| 23:25.10 | ibrokeit | yeah |
| 23:25.40 | ibrokeit | there is just one problem, which arises during the reinstall of the kernel, through any method |
| 23:25.45 | ibrokeit | cryptsetup: WARNING: target 'luks-943c6de2-716e-45ad-a861-03a4ba76991d' not found in /etc/crypttab |
| 23:25.53 | ibrokeit | that is some chroot issue i think |
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| 23:33.32 | trek00 | ibrokeit: try adding luks- to the UUID of crypttab, this should not happens, but give it a try |
| 23:33.48 | ibrokeit | already tried. no help. |
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| 23:38.39 | trek00 | ibrokeit: i have no idea, actually initramfs runs some scripts under /usr/share/initramfs-tools/ that checks for the target in crypttab, but it search luks-943c6de2-716e-45ad-a861-03a4ba76991d and not UUID=943c6de2-716e-45ad-a861-03a4ba76991d |
| 23:39.34 | trek00 | ibrokeit: may be you can try to set the first work exactly what it search, but i can't figure why it was running fine before, may be that live-tools changed something? |
| 23:40.32 | trek00 | ibrokeit: fix my spelling, set the first worD in crypttab to luks-943c6de2-716e-45ad-a861-03a4ba76991d |
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| 23:42.27 | ibrokeit | unbelievably, that seems to have fixed it |
| 23:42.36 | ibrokeit | gonna update my fstab and try it |
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| 23:42.57 | trek00 | ibrokeit: fstab should be unchanged |
| 23:43.07 | ibrokeit | hmm |
| 23:43.34 | trek00 | ibrokeit: it says it can't find GRUB drive for /dev/sdb1 because actually your /mnt is on sdb1 |
| 23:43.38 | ibrokeit | but the mount name has changed from sda2_crypt to luks-943c6de2-716e-45ad-a861-03a4ba76991d, hasn't it? |
| 23:43.53 | ibrokeit | ic |
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| 23:45.16 | ibrokeit | i'm going to restart without changing fstab and i'll come back and change it if need be |
| 23:45.26 | ibrokeit | should at least get to the password part this time |
| 23:45.40 | trek00 | ibrokeit: sorry i'm tired, the crypttab should be something like: |
| 23:45.40 | trek00 | sda2_crypt luks-943c6de2-716e-45ad-a861-03a4ba76991d none luks |
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