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| 00:51.03 | lagbolt | I am wondering if anyone running linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 continuously gets do_IRQ: 0.33 No irq handler for vector. Eventually crashes my X. Dropping back to 4.9.0-6 and runs with no msg or crash. Google has been a no go for solutions. |
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| 00:51.54 | hans__ | what is the difference between the netinst.iso (approx 300 MB) and the mini.iso (approx 50MB) other than the size difference? they both appear to be network installers |
| 00:54.30 | trek00 | lagbolt: it could be a bug in linux drivers with your devices bios |
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| 00:55.18 | dvs | hans__, the netinst.iso can install a minimal system without goiing to the internet. |
| 00:55.27 | lagbolt | trek00: has been working for years. perhaps its aged out and needs update? |
| 00:55.27 | trek00 | lagbolt: check https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1234983 |
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| 00:56.02 | trek00 | lagbolt: it's the same motherboard? |
| 00:56.49 | lagbolt | trek00 Gigabyte Technology GA-990XA-UD3 |
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| 00:58.15 | lagbolt | trek00: the error on this thread has 0.91, not sure the same issue. I can try passing the options and see if i get lucky. |
| 00:58.57 | trek00 | lagbolt: the number depends by your irq configuration (set by motherboard) |
| 00:59.24 | lagbolt | trek00: ok. well worth a shot. |
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| 02:08.29 | ZaZaGX | how come sometimes my grub screen has a different color? like everytime i format, it changes color |
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| 02:10.02 | trek00 | ZaZaGX: it's a special feature to tell you have formatted a disk |
| 02:10.16 | trek00 | (joke) |
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| 02:11.17 | ZaZaGX | like sometimes it stays blue, other times it stays grey with the debian swirl |
| 02:12.00 | trek00 | ZaZaGX: may be sometimes it gets graphical mode and sometimes text only? |
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| 02:12.57 | ZaZaGX | well, i noticed when i encrypted the whole disk its blue. and when i don't have the whole disk encrypted, it stays grey |
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| 02:14.03 | trek00 | ZaZaGX: if you have grub backgrounds installed, may be it can't find them if they are on the encrypted disk |
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| 02:14.45 | ZaZaGX | i'm not even sure if i installed the grub background |
| 02:15.58 | trek00 | grub2-splashimages |
| 02:16.48 | ZaZaGX | wheres the list dict? |
| 02:17.03 | trek00 | dpkg -l ? |
| 02:17.04 | dpkg | Files in package trek00-pr0n: /srv/trek00-pr0n/trek00.jpg |
| 02:17.17 | trek00 | :) |
| 02:17.44 | ZaZaGX | i don't see it |
| 02:17.46 | trek00 | ZaZaGX: i see may be also plymouth has his grub theme |
| 02:18.38 | ZaZaGX | i don't see the pr0n |
| 02:19.46 | noahmg123 | OK, I am stumped. I'm trying to add my school's printer as a SAMBA printer, and I keep getting "NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED" while the job is "held for authentication". When I try to authenticate, the password prompt says "negotiate". I'm assuming this has something to do with some auth protocol, but I'm not sure which. |
| 02:19.55 | trek00 | ZaZaGX: don't read the dkpg response, that was a joke, anyway checking /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme there are at least 4 types of background that could be loaded from grub, and they are all under /usr |
| 02:20.23 | noahmg123 | Looking in the CUPS log, there's also an NT_STATUS_INVALID_PARAMETER error |
| 02:21.49 | trek00 | noahmg123: it seems you are not authorized to join the windows authentication server |
| 02:23.01 | noahmg123 | trek00: what would that mean exactly? And how would I fix it? I can use the smbclient command just fine from the command line. Is there a config file I need to edit? |
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| 02:23.48 | trek00 | noahmg123: i'm not practical with microsoft world, but you can check https://askubuntu.com/questions/181868/authentication-issue-with-cups-5-3-1-on-smb-printer |
| 02:24.22 | trek00 | noahmg123: there are many helpful tips, config file and smbclient commands |
| 02:25.22 | noahmg123 | trek00: I think the issue is SAMBA authentication is not built into the printer itself. I'm not sure, but it may just call smbclient directly. If I knew how it was calling smbclient, that would definitely be helpful |
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| 02:28.04 | trek00 | noahmg123: try accessing to the printer via smblcient, if it is ok, try again to print |
| 02:28.43 | noahmg123 | trek00: well... I've always been able to use that command to connect |
| 02:28.52 | noahmg123 | But the printer has never worked |
| 02:29.35 | trek00 | noahmg123: if smbclient can't connect to the printer, cups will never use it |
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| 02:29.56 | noahmg123 | trek00: smbclient can connect to the printer |
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| 02:31.36 | trek00 | noahmg123: may be this can help? http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing/printing_to_windows.html |
| 02:32.03 | noahmg123 | I'll take a look. Thank you. |
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| 04:10.29 | warsoul | hi guys |
| 04:10.55 | warsoul | when i boot on debian i see some BIOS error but the go fast cant see what they say |
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| 04:12.41 | alkisg | warsoul: try running `dmesg`, do you see it there? |
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| 04:16.10 | warsoul | https://termbin.com/i859 |
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| 04:20.27 | OerHeks | around: 1.413472] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Could not resolve [\_SB.PCI0.SAT0.SPT4._GTF.DSSP], AE_NOT_FOUND (20180810/psargs-330) |
| 04:20.34 | user888 | hey warsoul. I don't know what causes those acpi errors but I have the same issue. |
| 04:20.52 | user888 | Just curious what motherboard/cpu combo do you have? |
| 04:21.09 | warsoul | motherboard i forgot the brand |
| 04:21.16 | user888 | asus? |
| 04:21.27 | warsoul | Client: HexChat 2.14.2 ⢠OS: Debian 10.0 ⢠CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (3.50GHz) ⢠Memory: 15.2 GiB Total (14.8 GiB Free) ⢠Storage: 32.4 GB / 507.5 GB (475.1 GB Free) ⢠VGA: NVIDIA Corporation NF7-S/NF7 @ Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller ⢠Uptime: 14m 13s |
| 04:22.16 | OerHeks | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:26.37 | user888 | Hmm that's newer than me. I'm still on sandy bridge (2500k) so it doesn't seem to be platform specific. |
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| 08:27.19 | MonRa | Hi, there's this website asking me to use a webcam to take a photo but I really just wanna upload a photo I already have, can you point me to some resources to "fake" the webcam stream? |
| 08:29.28 | EdePopede | why not making a photo of the photo? |
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| 08:33.59 | nvz | I guess they couldn't be arsed to wait around for an aswer |
| 08:34.15 | nvz | ,i v4l2loopback-dkms |
| 08:34.16 | judd | Package v4l2loopback-dkms (kernel, optional) in buster/amd64: Source for the v4l2loopback driver (DKMS). Version: 0.12.1-1; Size: 33.8k; Installed: 112k; Homepage: https://github.com/umlaeute/v4l2loopback |
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| 08:54.35 | jelly | nvz: that v4l2loopback thing did not build successfully for years, I uninstalled it around stretch |
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| 08:54.57 | nvz | I see.. then why is it still in Debian? |
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| 09:03.00 | RandomSerb | can someone please help? I installed debian, and on first boot, I get error: *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware. I then booted into recovery mode, changed main into main contrib non-free in sources.list, installed firmware-amd-graphics package, rebooted, and still the same problem |
| 09:03.38 | RandomSerb | the actual problem is that my screen reports that it's out of range(37.9khz/85hz) |
| 09:03.45 | RandomSerb | debian buster |
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| 09:04.44 | diogenes_ | RandomSerb, try to boot a live non-free iso. |
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| 09:08.55 | shtrb | Can anyone please add in HP all-in-one (aio) section of https://wiki.debian.org/Scanner#HP_all-in-one_.28aio.29_Machines, under stretch user should be in the same groups as the owned bus defaults to lp (if /dev/bus/usb/xxx/yyy is owned by group lp the user who wish to use this scanner should be in group lp) |
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| 09:21.09 | annadane | shtrb, anyone can make a wiki account, i think. i would add it but i'm afraid of getting the context wrong, unless it can arbitrarily go in its own paragraph anywhere in the section |
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| 09:21.43 | annadane | or just tell me where it should go i guess... but i'm about to go to sleep |
| 09:22.02 | annadane | i know what *section*, just not where in the section so it's coherent with everything else |
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| 09:29.14 | shtrb | it doesn't matter where in that section , just so it will exist it's an hpaio only issue |
| 09:29.42 | shtrb | there is hpaio section in the scanner page ( I gave an exact link to the paragrph about hpaio) |
| 09:30.54 | shtrb | for instance after the sentence Having hplip on the system also makes it easier to install a non-free plugin. |
| 09:31.52 | shtrb | Oh sorry , that is for buster not for stretch ! |
| 09:32.27 | annadane | i'll add it... |
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| 09:35.15 | shtrb | Thanks ! |
| 09:36.19 | shtrb | sends pizza slice as a thank you to annadane |
| 09:36.40 | annadane | let me know if it's legible |
| 09:36.44 | annadane | the wiki entry, not the pizza |
| 09:36.48 | shtrb | it is :) |
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| 09:58.56 | nononsense41 | hello guys, can you actually add a new partition to usb drive written with an isohybrid installation image and still be bootable? i read the claim in the installation guide where this image doesn't use most of the disk space and you can add new partition and use it as a normal usb drive alongside the it's bootable property..shed some light here ple |
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| 11:44.27 | uio | Is it possible to encrypt a flash drive with luks or something like that without destroying pre-existing data? |
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| 11:51.25 | Megaf | uio: it is, but it takes a while and has lots of steps |
| 11:51.40 | uio | Megaf, Is there a guide somewhere? |
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| 11:55.01 | Megaf | uio: some, but I didn't line any of them, I strongly suggest you get a new HD/SSD and start from scratch |
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| 11:56.42 | manARMy | Hello. I removed most of /usr/share/applications/*.desktop But now when I click a ZIP file in FireFox it suggests I use the "unzip" program. How does FireFox know about it? I wish to delete the link |
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| 11:58.28 | humpled | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:59.34 | manARMy | It worked. Except unzip |
| 11:59.49 | humpled | maybe in firefox go to 'about:preferences' and scroll down to applications |
| 12:00.00 | manARMy | I know that one. No luck |
| 12:00.37 | humpled | i never had a problem with firefox trying to help me unzip a link |
| 12:00.44 | humpled | how does this happen? |
| 12:01.03 | manARMy | Because I don't have the file-roller desktop file. |
| 12:02.27 | humpled | hmm, neither do i |
| 12:03.29 | humpled | presumably you asked firefox to open the zip rather than download it |
| 12:03.35 | manARMy | Yes of course |
| 12:03.49 | humpled | but you don't want to open it |
| 12:03.53 | manARMy | No |
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| 12:04.40 | manARMy | Other file extensions it doesn't even offer |
| 12:05.48 | humpled | yup for pdfs i have to click on them to download, then click on the download box to ask firefox to open them |
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| 12:06.28 | manARMy | Use unzip (default) How can it be the default? Let me check *.desktop again |
| 12:06.28 | uio | Is it true that LUKS drives are at a greater risk of data loss due to encryption? |
| 12:07.25 | humpled | with these desktop files manARMy, the usual tactic is to create your own versions in ~/.local/share/applications to override the default ones |
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| 12:09.27 | manARMy | uio: I only encrypt one partition |
| 12:10.08 | uio | manARMy, Which one? |
| 12:10.33 | manARMy | I put there, SSH keys and so on. |
| 12:10.36 | uio | manARMy, I mean, if I back up my date to a LUKS flash drive, will that increase chances of losing all data? |
| 12:10.41 | wwilliam | Ok this is a version of debian but may be you guys know how to fix such error? |
| 12:10.43 | wwilliam | N: Repository 'http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian buster InRelease' changed its 'Suite' value from 'testing' to 'stable' |
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| 12:10.53 | uio | if the flash drive is corrupt. |
| 12:11.10 | jelly | uio: well, if you forget the passphrase, or accidentally erase part of disk with the only copy of the key, data is lost |
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| 12:11.30 | jelly | this is a feature? |
| 12:12.01 | jelly | that's literally what you use encryption FOR |
| 12:12.14 | uio | jelly, Yes, right. |
| 12:12.34 | jelly | luks has provisions to backup luks keys. |
| 12:12.51 | uio | jelly, My question is just, I don't know, physical wear on a flash drive causing key and thus data loss. |
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| 12:13.07 | uio | jelly, Oh, how does one backup the keys?? |
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| 12:13.45 | jelly | uio: I don't remember. It's in luks faq and cryptsetup manual. |
| 12:13.58 | uio | tells jelly that /me got unblocked from #debian after yesterday's nick-spree :) |
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| 12:14.14 | uio | jelly, Oaky, I'll have to look that up. |
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| 12:15.20 | wwilliam | nm |
| 12:15.31 | uio | jelly, Are you talking about having alternate keys? |
| 12:15.40 | uio | jelly, Like the max 10 keys or something? |
| 12:16.19 | jelly | uio: no, I'm talking about a backup of luks header thingy |
| 12:16.29 | uio | jelly, Hmmm. |
| 12:17.24 | jelly | around the WARNINGS section in the manual |
| 12:17.27 | uio | jelly, Is that default in Debian LUKS? |
| 12:17.32 | uio | jelly, Okay. |
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| 12:18.36 | uio | jelly, of cryptsetup? |
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| 12:19.51 | jelly | yes |
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| 12:23.43 | uio | jelly, https://paste.debian.net/hidden/108e4a52/ ? |
| 12:24.01 | uio | I don't quite get it, but I won't worry too much as I have two backups... |
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| 12:28.56 | simbalion | where can I download a 32bit netinst of stretch? |
| 12:31.03 | uio | simbalion, https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/debian-installer/ |
| 12:31.34 | simbalion | tyvm! |
| 12:31.41 | uio | simbalion, More specifically : https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/9.9.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-9.9.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 12:31.46 | uio | simbalion, np |
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| 12:37.07 | mdx0 | which is the package name for vpn client for network manager? |
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| 12:40.40 | colo-work | mdx0, `apt-cache search --names-only vpn network manager` |
| 12:41.10 | mdx0 | thanx |
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| 13:43.47 | uio | Does diff exit once it's done? I'm comparing two flash drives and it is hanging, or taking a long time, don't know which one.... |
| 13:44.01 | hop | uio: yes |
| 13:44.14 | hop | how did you start it? |
| 13:44.15 | uio | hop, How can I check if it is still working? |
| 13:44.28 | uio | sudo diff -qr drive1 drive2 |
| 13:44.35 | uio | I have some output. |
| 13:44.39 | hop | then it's still working |
| 13:44.40 | uio | But it hasn't stopped yet. |
| 13:44.44 | uio | Okay. |
| 13:44.45 | uio | :) |
| 13:44.52 | hop | or there's a problem with the hardware |
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| 13:45.38 | uio | I wanted to use it to check if I successfully copied my archives from one usb to the other before deleted (and then LUKSing the first one). |
| 13:45.48 | uio | hop, How could I check if there is a hardware issue? |
| 13:46.11 | hop | check for smoke? |
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| 13:46.33 | uio | hop, No smoke :) |
| 13:46.35 | hop | syslog should show timeouts. do you suspect one of the drives to be faulty? |
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| 13:46.47 | uio | hop, ~80% |
| 13:46.54 | uio | *80°C |
| 13:47.00 | hop | so what |
| 13:47.06 | uio | Also, I can access files on the drives. |
| 13:47.10 | uio | so no smoke :) |
| 13:47.27 | hop | is there io? |
| 13:47.36 | uio | hop, Sorry, how do I check that? |
| 13:47.38 | hop | dstat |
| 13:48.29 | uio | I don't think I have it. |
| 13:48.42 | hop | ... |
| 13:48.50 | uio | ⦠|
| 13:49.29 | hop | are you now timing out? |
| 13:49.48 | uio | dstat installed. |
| 13:50.00 | hop | next time use rsync or cpio |
| 13:50.11 | uio | hop, for? |
| 13:50.17 | uio | the check? |
| 13:50.27 | hop | for copying in the first place |
| 13:50.37 | hop | although you /could/ use rsync to check |
| 13:51.17 | uio | hop, runnning dstat |
| 13:51.28 | uio | I have in and out showing numbers |
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| 13:51.44 | f8e3 | to run a server process what to use: supervisord vs tmux |
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| 13:52.24 | uio | hop, Should 15Gb really take this long? |
| 13:52.25 | hop | f8e3: why would you use a terminal muxer to supervis a daemon? |
| 13:52.41 | hop | uio: let me ask my crystal ball⦠|
| 13:52.55 | f8e3 | i try to keep the process alive once ssl conneciton closed, so i use tmux, how do i monitor it eg python foo.py process dies? |
| 13:53.01 | uio | has other questions for the ball. |
| 13:53.54 | f8e3 | do i need supervisor or what to use? |
| 13:54.14 | uio | hop, I mean, if there were two small files, obviously that should not take so long on such a machine. 100GB would. So one could get a ballpark figure without magic. |
| 13:54.24 | uio | *on most machines. |
| 13:55.00 | hop | the answer is 17 |
| 13:55.51 | uio | the answer is passive-agressive pseudo-sarcastic. |
| 13:57.33 | hop | true, true |
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| 14:00.12 | mdx0 | but don't know exactly how... |
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| 14:16.42 | uio | So, diff shows they are, other than some unimportant files, the same. Would it be safe to erase the original usb? There is not risk of some unseen corruption? |
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| 14:19.30 | uio | probably a bit paranoid here... |
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| 14:23.15 | hop | there's always a chance |
| 14:25.01 | uio | hop, What would be best practice? |
| 14:25.17 | hop | how many 9s after the comma? |
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| 14:25.45 | uio | 17, no? |
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| 14:26.10 | uio | hop, C'mon hop, you know this! |
| 14:26.15 | uio | 17!! |
| 14:26.17 | hop | i'm not going to say "get over yourself," but get over yourself |
| 14:26.53 | uio | hop, ? |
| 14:27.00 | uio | hop, It was joke. |
| 14:27.13 | hop | what was? |
| 14:27.23 | uio | The hamburger. |
| 14:27.32 | hop | i was talking about the paranois |
| 14:27.36 | hop | *a |
| 14:27.48 | uio | Oh, sorry, I meant the bathtub. But good to know. |
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| 14:30.28 | uio | Is there a faster way to destroy the data that was on it other than gnome-disk zero writing? |
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| 14:30.34 | uio | 38 minutes !!! |
| 14:31.38 | hop | you said it was an ssd? |
| 14:32.07 | uio | flash drive. Usb |
| 14:32.21 | hop | which is solid state⦠|
| 14:32.24 | uio | (with bacon) |
| 14:32.31 | hop | anyway, can't be sure without physically destroying it |
| 14:32.39 | uio | Right. (oops didn't know that...) |
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| 14:32.56 | uio | Who's paranoid now? |
| 14:33.21 | uio | hop, Should I just LUKS it? |
| 14:33.22 | hop | you want us to make your decisions |
| 14:33.27 | uio | That should do it. |
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| 14:33.54 | uio | hop, No, I'm making the decisions, I'm asking for information to make informed decisions... |
| 14:34.33 | hop | and i'm giving you the information that the firmware on the thing might decide to write the zeroes somewhere else than where the data was |
| 14:35.12 | hop | for all i know your usb stick contains natinaly security level info |
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| 14:35.58 | uio | hop, Kewl. Thanks. LUKS'll take care of that. |
| 14:36.03 | hop | nope |
| 14:36.16 | uio | 17? |
| 14:36.19 | uio | How nope? |
| 14:36.46 | hop | exactly as nope as writing zeroes |
| 14:36.55 | uio | That's pretty damn nope. |
| 14:37.08 | uio | What is best practice other than destroying it? |
| 14:37.27 | hop | well, are these files top secret? |
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| 14:37.35 | uio | hop, Yep. |
| 14:37.59 | hop | then there is no other way |
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| 14:38.36 | Woniken | hello |
| 14:38.37 | uio | o |
| 14:38.54 | Woniken | im trying to install i386 in a amd64 environment |
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| 14:39.34 | hop | uio: reall, if they are top secret, you should have staff for that at your agency⦠|
| 14:39.37 | Woniken | but after i do dpkg --add-architecture i386 and apt upgrade, nothing happens |
| 14:40.28 | uio | hop, They're on holiday. They get back on Monday, but this is urgent! |
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| 14:40.54 | uio | hop, And my yearly budget doesn't allow for replacing flash drives. |
| 14:40.55 | hop | pull someone else's leg |
| 14:41.23 | uio | I'm pretty hands off; I prefer to not pull legs. |
| 14:41.49 | uio | Nice you found the ⦠hop! |
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| 14:43.15 | oft_gegong | Woniken, it's apt update not apt upgrade |
| 14:43.17 | deadmarshal | hi. there's an app named osd-lyrics, when I install that, and login to my system for example tomorrow, it's gone :|. it keeps getting removed. how to fix this issue? |
| 14:44.03 | oft_gegong | disable cron jobs? |
| 14:44.16 | Woniken | oft_gegong, hey |
| 14:44.27 | Woniken | i did both |
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| 14:48.12 | jhutchins_wk | deadmarshal: Check your logs. |
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| 14:51.06 | deadmarshal | there's nothing in logs, only some messages about tor |
| 14:52.00 | humpled | ,v osd-lyrics |
| 14:52.02 | judd | No package named 'osd-lyrics' was found in amd64. |
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| 14:53.00 | deadmarshal | :| |
| 14:56.19 | humpled | so it's up to us to guess what you installed and how |
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| 14:58.23 | uio | deadmarshal, What did you install and how? Did you download it? Did you get in on a vinyl? |
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| 14:59.24 | hop | and what does "it's gone" mean, exactly? |
| 14:59.37 | uio | hop, They left! |
| 14:59.41 | uio | Come back! |
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| 14:59.51 | uio | Come back!! |
| 15:00.02 | uio | sheds a tear |
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| 15:01.22 | uio | wonders if we'll ever see them again.... |
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| 15:04.40 | Woniken | can anyone help me |
| 15:05.01 | greycat | !ask |
| 15:05.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:05.12 | uio | !anyone |
| 15:05.13 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 15:05.23 | uio | Woniken, Just kidding, what do you need? |
| 15:05.24 | humpled | !help |
| 15:05.28 | uio | !okay |
| 15:05.28 | humpled | sorry |
| 15:05.28 | dpkg | Don't talk back to me or you're going to be sorry! |
| 15:05.33 | Woniken | how do i install i386 arch |
| 15:05.50 | uio | Woniken, What have you tried? |
| 15:05.50 | Woniken | in a amd64 environment |
| 15:05.59 | greycat | https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/i386/index.en.html |
| 15:06.02 | uio | Woniken, Why do you want to do that? |
| 15:06.02 | beavis | search for debian multiarch |
| 15:06.03 | greycat | ... GAH |
| 15:06.11 | greycat | PUT YOUR WHOLE QUESTION ON ONE LINE |
| 15:06.17 | beavis | dpkg: tell Woniken about multiarch |
| 15:06.26 | uio | realises that they probably can't help... |
| 15:06.43 | jelly | Woniken: you already enabled i386 and did an apt update. That's it. |
| 15:06.45 | uio | beavis, Glad you're here. |
| 15:07.15 | Woniken | how do i get the packages |
| 15:07.16 | jelly | Woniken: from that point on you should be able to install 32bit packages that you actually want or need. |
| 15:07.23 | jelly | Woniken: which packages do you need? |
| 15:07.38 | Woniken | i need some packages for a game |
| 15:08.00 | jelly | Woniken: can you be more specific? |
| 15:08.07 | Woniken | idk which packages |
| 15:08.28 | uio | Woniken, What is the game? |
| 15:08.29 | jelly | Woniken: well then, how does the game fail? |
| 15:08.36 | greycat | If the game is a third-party binary, you run ldd on it to see what shared libs it needs. Then you use apt-file or packages.debian.org or /msg judd to find out what package contains each library. |
| 15:08.57 | Woniken | ok |
| 15:09.27 | jelly | Woniken: install libc6:i386 for a start, otherwise ldd tool won't work |
| 15:09.28 | uio | ,v ok |
| 15:09.30 | judd | No package named 'ok' was found in amd64. |
| 15:10.07 | uio | cheers! |
| 15:10.13 | jelly | ,file lib/ld-linux.so.2 --arch i386 |
| 15:10.19 | judd | Search for lib/ld-linux.so.2 in buster/i386: libc6: lib/ld-linux.so.2; libc6-i386-x32-cross: usr/x86_64-linux-gnux32/lib/ld-linux.so.2; libc6-i386-amd64-cross: usr/x86_64-linux-gnu/lib/ld-linux.so.2; libc6.1-alpha-cross: usr/alpha-linux-gnu/lib/ld-linux.so.2; libc6-i386-cross: usr/i686-linux-gnu/lib/ld-linux.so.2; libc6-sparc64-cross: usr/sparc64-linux-gnu/lib/ld-linux.so.2; |
| 15:10.20 | judd | libc6-sh4-cross: usr/sh4-linux-gnu/lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 15:10.30 | jelly | good grief |
| 15:10.46 | greycat | judd is so cross |
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| 15:10.56 | Woniken | ldd doesnt work |
| 15:11.25 | jelly | Woniken: how esxactly did you call it, and what exactly did it say? |
| 15:11.49 | Woniken | ldd EU4 and not a dynamic executable |
| 15:11.50 | greycat | and did you do what jelly told you to do, to allow ldd to work? |
| 15:12.06 | greycat | is EU4 a shell script that runs some other program for you? |
| 15:12.14 | Woniken | wait |
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| 15:12.40 | jelly | no need to wait, irc is asynchronous |
| 15:12.57 | Woniken | ok did that |
| 15:13.07 | Woniken | EU4 is a binary |
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| 15:14.06 | Woniken | im installing libc6 |
| 15:14.13 | Woniken | i386 |
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| 15:15.09 | greycat | OK, when that finishes, run "file EU4" and see what kind of file this thing is. |
| 15:15.31 | Woniken | ok |
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| 15:27.51 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 15:27.51 | dpkg | <Maulkin> *mumble*raid0-isn't-raid*mumble* * resiak removes two of Maulkin's chair's legs. "It's okay, because they were in a redundant array!" |
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| 15:46.12 | nifker | Will the new Firefox ESR land in Bullseye? |
| 15:46.25 | themill | yes, when it's ready |
| 15:46.44 | greycat | ESR rollover isn't until October, I thought... am I mis-remembering? |
| 15:48.43 | themill | The new one is out, the old one is still supported |
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| 15:49.03 | themill | https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/ |
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| 15:49.13 | greycat | Right, and Debian flips when the current one expires, NOT when the newer one is out. |
| 15:49.40 | themill | yeah, there are merits in waiting for the .1 and ignoring the .0... |
| 15:50.11 | greycat | looks at Debian 10.0 |
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| 15:51.30 | themill | heh |
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| 15:55.58 | jelly | mozilla's tarball does the same thing |
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| 16:25.25 | SerajewelKS | on buster's jackd, it seems that jackd segfaults any time that the qjackctl patch bay is activated |
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| 16:28.56 | Habbie | SerajewelKS, pretty sure that did not happen for me last week |
| 16:30.40 | SerajewelKS | it's 100% reprocudible here :/ |
| 16:30.53 | SerajewelKS | at any rate i'm pretty sure jackd should not be segfaulting when qjackctl attempts to patch things |
| 16:32.24 | SerajewelKS | suddenly this time it did not segfault. so it happens most of the time, but not every time. probably a race condition. |
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| 17:20.13 | simbalion | Hi, I just did a netinst of 9.9 in qemu and it doesn't install route by default? is that right? Shouldn't the netinst include route? |
| 17:20.32 | greycat | Nope. |
| 17:20.53 | greycat | The ifconfig, netstat and route commands are deprecated, and are not installed by default in 9.x or 10.x. |
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| 17:21.28 | simbalion | huh, whats replaced route? |
| 17:21.32 | greycat | ,file bin/route --release stretch |
| 17:21.34 | greycat | "ip route" |
| 17:21.37 | judd | Search for bin/route in stretch/amd64: net-tools: sbin/route |
| 17:21.40 | simbalion | ah ok tyvm :) |
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| 17:43.26 | johnfg | Hi guys! |
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| 17:43.49 | EoflaOE | Hello johnfg. Any questions? |
| 17:44.32 | johnfg | Just got a mesg from apt dist-upgrade that libxml2: The following packages have been kept back: |
| 17:44.48 | johnfg | Is there a way to update it? |
| 17:45.11 | jelly | johnfg: that's not the whole message. |
| 17:45.15 | greycat | oh sure, leave out all the *details* that are absolutely important to understanding the question |
| 17:45.16 | jelly | !bat |
| 17:45.16 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 17:45.19 | jelly | ^ |
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| 17:45.53 | jelly | johnfg: read carefully the instructions above and provide all the info |
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| 17:46.35 | greycat | A nice summary of what release you're using and what you were trying to do with "apt dist-upgrade" would be appreciated too. |
| 17:47.05 | johnfg | Actually, it was the whole (relevant) message: http://dpaste.com/3YV8ZCZ. |
| 17:47.13 | johnfg | But I'll get the others you mention. |
| 17:47.28 | greycat | Yay, I remembered how to get the raw for that site! |
| 17:47.30 | greycat | http://dpaste.com/3YV8ZCZ.txt |
| 17:47.53 | jelly | greycat likes it raw? |
| 17:47.56 | greycat | what happens if you type "apt install libxml2" ? |
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| 17:49.29 | jelly | last time that happened for me I was on wheezy with ELTS and figured out ELTS people forgot to build libxml2:i386 but had built libxml2:amd64. Also I forgot to report that. |
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| 17:50.59 | johnfg | greycat: It works, that's what! Looks like the slot :i386 was used instead of amd64. Maybe that's what the problem was. |
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| 17:51.58 | jelly | "slot :i386 was used instead of amd64" does not make a lot of sense |
| 17:52.39 | jelly | but hey if whatever was broken is fixed now, I'll take it! |
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| 17:56.17 | johnfg | jelly: That's probably my using terminology from another distro, but whatever :i386 is, what's installed now is the :amd64. |
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| 18:02.15 | hans__ | johnfg, i ususally do apt purge "*:i386"; dpkg --remove-foreign-architecture i386; at the end of amd64 system installations :p |
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| 18:03.54 | hans__ | johnfg, (and if you don't need to run i386, you can do that too) |
| 18:05.35 | hans__ | only time i actually need to run i386 binaries these days is when i'm running programs in WINE, and on most of my systems, i don't have wine sos |
| 18:06.28 | greycat | we've got some workstations here that run a vendor's proprietary application that has both i386 and amd64 pieces to it, for reasons I do not know and did not ask about |
| 18:07.26 | hans__ | ick, do they start with the letter "A" and have the color red associated with them? |
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| 18:08.00 | greycat | Nope. It's not a company most people would ever know about. Very specialized medical equipment and supporting software. |
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| 18:08.07 | hans__ | kk |
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| 18:08.54 | Lars_1 | hello |
| 18:09.16 | hans__ | Lars_1, no, there's nobody here, everybody's afk |
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| 18:10.31 | johnfg | I think the last couple of times there was a new release, I did go the upgrade route, like jessie>stretch. Does stretch>buster look as seamless? |
| 18:10.43 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster |
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| 18:13.53 | Lars_1 | need help with nvidia driver installation!! |
| 18:13.58 | Iridos | uuh, where was the readme for aptitude that had all the ~ options (and why isn't that information in the manpage) |
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| 18:15.02 | jelly | Iridos: install aptitude-doc and browse or read it online |
| 18:15.03 | greycat | it's in some separate aptitude documentation package |
| 18:15.29 | jelly | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html |
| 18:15.39 | Iridos | thanks |
| 18:15.41 | Lars_1 | (Lars_1) need help with nvidia driver installation!! |
| 18:15.48 | greycat | !nvidia |
| 18:15.48 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:15.59 | jelly | !ask |
| 18:15.59 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:16.03 | jelly | Lars_1: ^ |
| 18:16.36 | jelly | if you need general pointers, start at |
| 18:16.44 | jelly | !nvidia dkms |
| 18:16.44 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 18:16.46 | Lars_1 | things is, while installing the .run file, it faild and says some x server in running, then tells me to see the logs |
| 18:17.02 | jelly | Lars_1: avoid using nvidia's own installer. |
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| 18:17.12 | jelly | install from packages instead. |
| 18:17.40 | Lars_1 | nvidia detect shows to install 390.xx |
| 18:17.50 | jelly | Lars_1: which debian release do you have installed? Which card? |
| 18:18.07 | Lars_1 | buster, nvidia geforce mx150 |
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| 18:19.09 | jelly | Lars_1: great. So do what !nvidia dkms above says, except replace "nvidia-kernel-dkms" with "nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms" |
| 18:19.48 | jelly | aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 18:19.55 | jelly | ^ as root |
| 18:20.27 | Lars_1 | how sure are u that it wont break my system 8th time again? |
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| 18:21.09 | Lars_1 | (jelly) aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 18:21.21 | Lars_1 | in this command what i have to replace with what? |
| 18:21.22 | jelly | depends on what you've done so far and how many leftovers there are from previous attempts |
| 18:21.36 | jelly | I've already replaced it for you |
| 18:21.43 | Lars_1 | ok |
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| 18:24.11 | Lars_1 | says /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf: No such file or directory |
| 18:24.36 | greycat | then you mistyped the previous command where it makes that directory |
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| 18:26.07 | jelly | I guess if aptitude command fails the mkdir will not happen |
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| 18:26.20 | jelly | Lars_1: did aptitude fail? |
| 18:26.38 | Lars_1 | bash |
| 18:26.42 | greycat | yeah, the mix of && and ; is weird |
| 18:27.07 | jelly | Lars_1: did you run this in a root shell? |
| 18:27.13 | Lars_1 | yes |
| 18:27.16 | Lars_1 | no |
| 18:27.26 | Lars_1 | i ran it with sudo |
| 18:27.36 | jelly | that's not good |
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| 18:28.04 | Lars_1 | so what now ? |
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| 18:28.32 | elwisp | What happened to the vifo modules in debian? I try to load em now after a reinstall but it just says its missing |
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| 18:28.45 | jelly | Lars_1: so either learn how to use sudo to call huge oneliners with multiple commands, or open a root shell (with, say, sudo -i) |
| 18:28.52 | greycat | Lars_1: "sudo -i" and then paste it again |
| 18:29.08 | Lars_1 | ok |
| 18:29.35 | johnfg | Thanks for the help today guys! Gotta run to 2nd job, but may be back in the process of upgrading to Buster! |
| 18:29.39 | Lars_1 | are u on telegram, i cant send a picture here!! |
| 18:29.44 | greycat | That particular sequence of commands has *every* type of shell quoting already in it, so attempting to wrap yet another layer of shell quoting around it so it can be fed to sudo would be madness. |
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| 18:32.34 | jelly | Lars_1: you can upload an image to eg. imgur.com and show the URL here |
| 18:32.43 | Lars_1 | ok |
| 18:32.45 | jelly | or use a text-based pastebin |
| 18:32.45 | ws2k3 | how can i monitor which files/dirs are being access by nfs? i have a huge ioload on my machine. it seems to be coming from nfs. but im not sure what is accessed |
| 18:32.48 | jelly | !paste |
| 18:32.48 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 18:33.10 | greycat | pasting text from your terminal is greatly preferred over pasting an image of said text |
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| 18:34.57 | Lars_1 | sed: can't read nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms: No such file or directory |
| 18:34.57 | Lars_1 | E: Command line option 'r' [from -r] is not understood in combination with the other options. |
| 18:34.57 | Lars_1 | bash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf: No such file or directory |
| 18:35.04 | Lars_1 | this is what it gave |
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| 18:36.05 | greycat | Did you *paste* what jelly said to run, or did you attempt to *type* it by hand, and mess it up? |
| 18:36.26 | Lars_1 | let me copy paste it again |
| 18:37.17 | jelly | he's also typing in oftc #debian, and the quote there suggests backticks have disappeared from the actual command that was run |
| 18:37.45 | greycat | It's conceivable that his IRC client is eating the backquotes because it thinks they're IRC markup instead of shell syntax. |
| 18:39.08 | Lars_1 | aptitude was not installed earlier sorry, now it did |
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| 18:39.13 | Lars_1 | but now its giving this |
| 18:39.16 | Lars_1 | sed: can't read nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms: No such file or directory |
| 18:39.16 | Lars_1 | Unable to apply some actions, aborting |
| 18:39.17 | Lars_1 | bash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf: No such file or directory |
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| 18:39.46 | jelly | "and they never heard of him again" |
| 18:39.49 | greycat | dpkg, no, nvidia dkms is <reply>For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d && echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the |
| 18:39.50 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 18:39.55 | greycat | <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 18:39.57 | greycat | FUCK |
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| 18:40.19 | annadane | lol |
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| 18:40.20 | jelly | I remember there being a reason for `` |
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| 18:40.30 | greycat | dpkg, no, nvidia dkms is <reply>For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d && echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Reboot to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 18:40.31 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 18:40.34 | ws2k3 | how can i monitor which files/dirs are being access by nfs? i have a huge ioload on my machine. it seems to be coming from nfs. but im not sure what is accessed |
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| 18:43.03 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: I don't think there's any per-file or per-directory monitoring, but you can at lest see which hosts are using a share. Check the man page for showmount. |
| 18:44.28 | rany | ws2k3, lsof somewhat |
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| 18:45.37 | rany | ws2k3, from lsof man page: `lsof -b /nfs/mount/point` |
| 18:46.38 | jhutchins_wk | rany: Good to know. |
| 18:47.01 | jhutchins_wk | rany: I work more with the shares on the hosts using them, NFS is managed by our storage team. |
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| 18:48.24 | jelly | rany: isn't that for nfs client, not nfs server? |
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| 18:48.40 | Lars_1 | hey |
| 18:48.46 | jelly | it's you! |
| 18:48.51 | Lars_1 | yea |
| 18:49.11 | Lars_1 | so i am doing taht command which piper told me, if it breaks i ll get back here |
| 18:49.33 | greycat | who or what is piper? |
| 18:49.45 | rany | jelly, only for client... reread the man page :/ |
| 18:50.06 | jelly | piper is a highly unreliable agent of chaos, a user on oftc running sidux and offering people advice that may or may not be right for stable |
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| 18:50.21 | ws2k3 | already fiddeling with lsof but that does not realy provide any usefull output |
| 18:50.26 | Lars_1 | so what should i do ?? |
| 18:50.58 | rany | ws2k3, all it does is show you open files |
| 18:51.05 | rany | and by which processes |
| 18:51.07 | jelly | Lars_1: show the command you did and the complete output, for starters |
| 18:51.10 | greycat | Lars_1: I'm curious, when you pasted the command from jelly into your terminal, did the command include backwards quote marks? The character above the Tab key on a US keyboard. Some people (and maybe some IRC clients) use it for IRC markup. |
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| 18:51.28 | jelly | Lars_1: if you need to, use an image upload site if you can't use paste.debian.net |
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| 18:52.16 | Lars_3 | sed: can't read nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms: No such file or directory |
| 18:52.17 | Lars_3 | Unable to apply some actions, aborting |
| 18:52.17 | Lars_3 | bash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf: No such file or directory |
| 18:52.25 | Lars_1 | this was the last output |
| 18:52.29 | NetTerminalGene | guys. i can't watch trailer in imdb.com firefo closes it. could someone confirm it please_ |
| 18:52.33 | greycat | We need to see the command you're running. |
| 18:52.43 | Lars_1 | ok |
| 18:52.58 | Lars_3 | sudo aptitude -r install linux-headers-uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,' nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
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| 18:53.09 | Lars_1 | this is that command m running |
| 18:53.09 | greycat | Yeah, the backquotes are totally gone. |
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| 18:53.51 | greycat | also, you're still trying to put sudo in front of a compound shell command. You can't DO that. |
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| 18:54.15 | Lars_1 | can u send me this command some other way? |
| 18:54.28 | greycat | If you have a compound shell command like a;b;c and you put sudo in front of it, you end up with sudo a;b;c and then only a is run via sudo. b and c are run as you. |
| 18:54.31 | rany | Lars_1, run `sudo -i` and then run the same command |
| 18:54.43 | Lars_1 | ok |
| 18:54.46 | greycat | rany: he needs to use the $() variant also, because his client is eating the backquotes. |
| 18:55.19 | greycat | Because IRC wasn't already bad enough without clients commandeering shell syntax for their own purposes. |
| 18:55.23 | Lars_3 | please send the command again, m using hexchat now |
| 18:56.02 | greycat | aptitude -r install linux-headers-$sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,' nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d && echo -e 'Section "Device"n\tIdentifier "My GPU"n\tDriver "nvidia"nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 18:56.12 | greycat | CRAP, what ... |
| 18:56.17 | jelly | offers greycat some () |
| 18:56.19 | greycat | no, don't use that one either |
| 18:56.24 | greycat | DPKG WHAT DID YOU DO |
| 18:56.25 | dpkg | i don't know, greycat |
| 18:57.06 | greycat | So we can't use backquotes in bot factoids because evil clients eat them, and we can't use () either, because dpkg eats them. |
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| 18:57.21 | greycat | God DAMN it. |
| 18:57.21 | Lars_3 | new output |
| 18:57.29 | Lars_3 | Package linux-headers is not installed, so it will not be removed |
| 18:57.29 | Lars_3 | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "s,[^-]*-[^-]*-,," |
| 18:57.29 | Lars_3 | Unable to apply some actions, aborting |
| 18:57.42 | jelly | Lars_3: aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 18:58.00 | jelly | after opening a separate root shell to run that in. |
| 18:58.14 | greycat | this is beyond irritating... |
| 18:58.28 | jelly | greycat: oh, you figured out the reason! |
| 18:58.57 | greycat | jelly: $(foo|bar) gets treated as "randomly pick foo or bar" by the bot's factoid processing |
| 18:59.14 | Lars_3 | this last command u gave jelly, is asking me to install packages worth size 77 mb |
| 18:59.21 | greycat | YES! IT WORKED! |
| 18:59.24 | jelly | Lars_3: that seems about right |
| 18:59.32 | greycat | Now if only we could figure out how to get that command INTO THE BOT. |
| 18:59.50 | Lars_1 | its installing now |
| 18:59.58 | Lars_1 | hope it wont break again |
| 18:59.58 | greycat | I really don't want to use $'\x28' for ( |
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| 19:00.30 | jelly | greycat: you think the bot interprets that? |
| 19:00.36 | Lars_3 | Conflicting nouveau kernel module loaded â |
| 19:00.36 | Lars_3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.36 | Lars_3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.36 | Lars_3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.40 | Lars_3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:00.47 | Lars_1 | reboot? |
| 19:01.00 | greycat | dpkg, pipeline test is <reply>x=$(foo|bar) |
| 19:01.01 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 19:01.04 | greycat | dpkg, pipeline test |
| 19:01.04 | dpkg | x=$foo |
| 19:01.23 | jelly | Lars_1: yes |
| 19:01.28 | Lars_1 | ok |
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| 19:02.12 | jelly | Lars_1: assuming the installation and dkms build was successful, that is |
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| 19:02.35 | Lars_1 | new problem now |
| 19:02.49 | jelly | sometimes building modules from dpkg fails but the installation itself does not fail. You need to read the output. |
| 19:02.52 | xd123 | hi everyone, I'm new to Linux and IRC :D |
| 19:02.53 | Lars_1 | so many .bin files are missing for module nouveau |
| 19:03.09 | jelly | Lars_1: you should not be using nouveau at all after reboot. |
| 19:03.20 | jhutchins_wk | xd123: Many wonderful discoveries lie ahead of you. |
| 19:03.29 | rany | Lars_1, it should be blacklisted so it doesn't matter |
| 19:03.42 | xd123 | Thank you my dude :) |
| 19:03.50 | Lars_1 | so reboot now ? |
| 19:04.16 | greycat | dpkg, forget pipeline test |
| 19:04.17 | dpkg | greycat: i forgot pipeline test |
| 19:04.59 | jelly | Lars_1: I thought you rebooted the first time you asked |
| 19:05.04 | greycat | jelly: is there any way to *suppress* the (foo|bar) processing in the bot for a single factoid? |
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| 19:05.25 | xd123 | bit of an odd question and likely know the correct answer - are most of you running VMs or physical machines? |
| 19:05.32 | jelly | greycat: FIIK, I've basically given up on infobot's crummy perl |
| 19:06.10 | Lars_1 | now it just suggested me to. but after i pressed ok on that bios-look-a-like screen, it jept on doing something and at the end showed a lot of .bin files are missing |
| 19:06.35 | Lars_1 | *no |
| 19:07.01 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: Y'know, I found the nvidia drivers very easy to get along with. |
| 19:07.43 | jhutchins_wk | Then again, I've had to do things like scratch build kernel modules for random brand touchscreens, so maybe I have an advantage. |
| 19:07.51 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: sure, if you NEVER patch any of xorg/mesa/libdrm stack |
| 19:08.09 | jhutchins_wk | Time will tell. |
| 19:08.23 | Lars_1 | time is not going well for me. |
| 19:08.27 | greycat | So, we have three choices that I can see. (1) we put the factoid back as it was with backquotes, and it fails for anyone whose IRC client eats backquotes. (2) we leave the factoid as it is now, and you MUST trigger it with "literal" to see the proper shell command. |
| 19:08.35 | xd123 | jhutchins_wk: I've added you as a friend but I'm unsure how friends work on IRC lol |
| 19:08.52 | greycat | (3) we move the shell command to the wiki, and force people to ACTUALLY READ THE URLS THE BOT SAYS TO READ instead of trying to spoon-feed them directly here. |
| 19:09.07 | jelly | dpkg, lefoo is ((silly)) thing |
| 19:09.07 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
| 19:09.10 | jelly | !lefoo |
| 19:09.10 | dpkg | hmm... lefoo is ((silly)) thing |
| 19:09.20 | greycat | jelly: the pipeline is important here |
| 19:09.21 | jhutchins_wk | xd123: It's mostly just open chat. We try to keep the troubleshooting public so other people can learn or catch errors. |
| 19:09.34 | jelly | dpkg, lefoo is ((silly)|(silly)) thing |
| 19:09.34 | dpkg | ...but lefoo is already something else... |
| 19:09.35 | Lars_1 | why not on telegra? |
| 19:09.39 | jelly | dpkg, no, lefoo is ((silly)|(silly)) thing |
| 19:09.39 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
| 19:09.40 | greycat | also (( )) in shell means something entirely different from ( ( ) ) |
| 19:09.41 | Lars_1 | *telegram |
| 19:09.47 | jelly | but that will make it rather long |
| 19:09.47 | Lars_1 | why irc? |
| 19:09.52 | jelly | !lefoo |
| 19:09.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lefoo is (silly) thing |
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| 19:10.27 | Lars_1 | so what to do with the problem now ? |
| 19:10.34 | jelly | Lars_1: irc is an open protocol and will not die suddently if the company behind it goes under |
| 19:10.48 | jelly | unlike icq or telegram |
| 19:10.55 | greycat | jelly: you need to get it to actually print $(x|y) as output, which I don't think you can do that way. |
| 19:10.55 | jhutchins_wk | Lars_1: irc has been a technical forum (as well as social) since mainframe days. |
| 19:10.55 | Lars_1 | ok |
| 19:10.58 | xd123 | icq was a meme though... |
| 19:11.19 | Lars_1 | can we get back to the nvidia problem? |
| 19:11.26 | greycat | What problem are you having now? |
| 19:11.43 | jelly | Lars_1: does lsmod show nvidia or nouveau loaded right now, or none? |
| 19:12.15 | greycat | also how did he reboot so quickly? |
| 19:12.30 | xd123 | jhutchins_wk: is there an easy way to direct message someone and/or reply without typing their whole name? |
| 19:12.35 | jelly | new machine? nvme ssd? no idea. |
| 19:12.39 | xd123 | SSD life? |
| 19:12.46 | greycat | xd123: type the first couple letters of their nick and press TAb. |
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| 19:13.08 | jhutchins_wk | xd123: Most clients will auto-complete a name if you type some characters and press tab. |
| 19:13.16 | Lars_1 | i can only see nouveau typed so many times on lsmod output |
| 19:13.17 | xd123 | Ah, cheers guys :) |
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| 19:13.35 | Lars_1 | i did not reboot, nobody told me to |
| 19:13.35 | jhutchins_wk | xd123: However, direct messaging without permission is considered by some silly people to be rude. |
| 19:13.42 | xd123 | I'm only learning how to use Unix based OS because work is pushing people towards it |
| 19:13.44 | jelly | Lars_1: reboot now. |
| 19:13.52 | Lars_1 | ok |
| 19:13.58 | xd123 | jhutchins_wk, I wouldn't know how to direct message people anyway :D |
| 19:14.09 | jhutchins_wk | xd123: We |
| 19:14.10 | greycat | Nobody told him to except the bot factoid, half a dozen times, and jelly, 2 or 3 times, ... |
| 19:14.14 | jelly | Lars_1: the installation told you to. Also the dpkg bot told you to. |
| 19:14.24 | jhutchins_wk | xd123: We'll leave that feature alone for a while then. |
| 19:14.28 | Lars_1 | guess its broken |
| 19:14.38 | Lars_1 | says resuming from hibernation |
| 19:14.50 | xd123 | jhutchins_wk, I'm getting the hang of it, slowly... I've managed to install a few apps with no issue |
| 19:14.55 | jelly | Lars_1: wait for it. |
| 19:15.01 | Lars_1 | waiting |
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| 19:15.11 | xd123 | jhutchins_wk, even overcome th eissue of running everything as root.. woops :D |
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| 19:16.17 | jelly | Lars_1: if the boot process does not continue after a minute or so, press the reset button |
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| 19:16.41 | jelly | or powercycle if that's a laptop without a reset button |
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| 19:17.12 | Lars_1 | by reset you mean long press the power button ? |
| 19:17.12 | xd123 | am I right in thinking that those IP addresses which appear next to people's names are open to everyone? |
| 19:17.27 | xd123 | stranger danger |
| 19:18.05 | jelly | Lars_1: I mean reset. |
| 19:18.25 | jelly | long press of power is a forced power-off. |
| 19:18.36 | Lars_1 | how to reset than ? |
| 19:18.44 | hop | xd123: you're welcome to stalk my data center� |
| 19:18.49 | xd123 | jelly, working in an IT environment I am surprised these questions are coming from people that've managed to join an IRC chat.. |
| 19:18.49 | jelly | maybe machines do not have reset buttons these days. |
| 19:19.16 | xd123 | hop, I am new to this stuff, I can't stalk anything. Useful information knowing you've got a datacentre though :) |
| 19:19.16 | Lars_1 | its a laptop i hv |
| 19:19.25 | jelly | xd123: users come with all levels of knowledge |
| 19:19.42 | jelly | Lars_1: then you have to power it off and back on. |
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| 19:20.27 | Lars_1 | helly, i forced power off now its still stuck their |
| 19:20.29 | Lars_1 | on hibernation |
| 19:20.36 | jelly | oh, and if it's a laptop there's a serious possibility it's one of those optimus setups where both intel and nvidia gpus work at the same time |
| 19:20.55 | jhutchins_wk | xd123: It's probably a feature of your client, mine just shows time < user |
| 19:20.55 | xd123 | jhutchins_wk, what's a CTCP version? |
| 19:21.01 | jelly | Lars_1: that's weird. power cycle it again, and press e on the grub menu |
| 19:21.09 | Lars_1 | jelly, its not working |
| 19:21.10 | Lars_1 | ok |
| 19:21.17 | xd123 | jhutchins_wk, I'm using hexchat |
| 19:21.38 | Lars_1 | in the grub menu, now ? |
| 19:21.39 | jhutchins_wk | xd123: I now know that you're using hexchat, and should probably /join the kali chanel. |
| 19:21.43 | jhutchins_wk | !kali |
| 19:21.44 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 19:22.13 | Lars_1 | jelly, m in grub menu now |
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| 19:22.36 | jelly | Lars_1: press e while on the first debian entry |
| 19:22.41 | xd123 | jhutchins_wk, yes, it's something we're looking into at my company, we have 6,000 deviced on our network and we have to run penetration tests. Hence the reasons I am trying to understand this way of life :p |
| 19:22.48 | jelly | Lars_1: you're in a rudimentary editor now |
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| 19:23.05 | Lars_1 | yes i am in the rudimentary editor now |
| 19:23.08 | jelly | Lars_1: find an (indented) line starting with linux |
| 19:23.19 | Lars_1 | found it |
| 19:23.36 | jhutchins_wk | xd123: This is meant to be a dedicated Debian support chanel. There is #debian-offtopic and #freenode for social chat. |
| 19:23.42 | jelly | Lars_1: if there's a resume=blahblah word in it, delete that |
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| 19:24.01 | xd123 | jhutchins_wk, I appreciate all of your help thus far. It's been helpful to say the least - I had no clue what I was joining, as I was joing |
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| 19:24.07 | Lars_1 | sadly their is no word like that |
| 19:24.08 | jelly | resume=/dev/disk/by-uuid/2b0d4690-ac05-4826-965e-7caf75525db1 <-- all of that |
| 19:24.24 | jelly | Lars_1: no mention of resume anywhere? |
| 19:24.34 | Lars_1 | not even on the whole screen |
| 19:24.40 | jelly | huh |
| 19:24.40 | xd123 | jhutchins_wk, #kali is invite only channel btw |
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| 19:25.33 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, but #kali-linux isn't. Ah well. |
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| 19:25.47 | xd123 | accidentally rebooted my VM |
| 19:26.24 | Lars_1 | jelly, guess their isn't much to do now ! |
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| 19:26.46 | greycat | xd123: it's #kali-linux not #kali |
| 19:27.47 | xd123 | greycat, okay - thank you :) |
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| 19:28.07 | jelly | Lars_1: assuming the resume acts on an existing hibernation signature on the swap partition, you can boot a livecd and wipe the swap partition beginning |
| 19:28.22 | Lars_1 | oh |
| 19:29.05 | jelly | Lars_1: or power cycle again, and see if there's a recovery option someplace (under Advanced options sub-menu perhaps) |
| 19:29.08 | Lars_1 | jelly, is anything that can be done by the tty5 terminal ?? |
| 19:29.22 | jelly | Lars_1: which tty5 terminal |
| 19:29.41 | Lars_1 | one that comes when you press ctrl+alt+f4 |
| 19:29.49 | greycat | someone's off by one |
| 19:30.04 | jelly | Lars_1: that does not exist unless you've managed to boot some sort of linux |
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| 19:30.11 | Lars_1 | jelly, when on the hibernation screen |
| 19:30.35 | Lars_1 | i pressed the combination now its asking for login and password |
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| 19:30.45 | jelly | wut |
| 19:30.57 | jelly | Lars_1: that implies the system has actually booted. |
| 19:31.02 | Lars_1 | now i am on non gui terminal |
| 19:31.06 | Lars_1 | so what now ? |
| 19:31.12 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: Or that he's switched consoles. |
| 19:31.14 | jelly | Lars_1: go back to Ctrl-Alt-F1. Press enter a couple of times. |
| 19:31.20 | Lars_1 | may be its just the display manager thats broke |
| 19:31.24 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: which only exist after boot succeeds |
| 19:31.37 | jelly | Lars_1: does a login prompt appear? |
| 19:31.56 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: True. Sorry, I'm not paying closer attention before commenting. |
| 19:31.58 | Lars_1 | yep |
| 19:32.01 | Lars_1 | i logged in |
| 19:32.13 | jelly | Lars_1: so the machine actually booted. |
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| 19:32.31 | Lars_1 | i ll count that as an achievement |
| 19:32.33 | jelly | now look at lsmod output |
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| 19:33.01 | jelly | is there anything in eg. lsmod|grep nvidia |
| 19:33.12 | Lars_1 | drm_kms_helper : nvidia_drm, i915 |
| 19:33.27 | jelly | there should be more. |
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| 19:33.54 | jelly | but nvidia_drm is a good sign |
| 19:33.56 | greycat | dpkg, no, nvidia dkms is <reply>For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d && echo -e 'Section "Device"n\tIdentifier "My GPU"n\tDriver "nvidia"nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Reboot to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 19:33.56 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 19:33.57 | Lars_1 | yeo |
| 19:34.03 | greycat | we'll go with "put it back" for now. |
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| 19:34.46 | Lars_1 | nvidia_modest, nvidia, ipmi_msghandler, drm_kms_helper |
| 19:34.47 | Lars_1 | etc |
| 19:34.50 | duk | jhutchins_wk, my dude, this is my new username, it's all registered and verified too |
| 19:35.14 | jelly | Lars_1: ok, that means the kernel part of the driver was built and loaded successfully |
| 19:35.28 | Lars_1 | 2nd achievement |
| 19:35.33 | Lars_1 | next? |
| 19:35.36 | duk | jhutchins_wk, it's xd123 btw |
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| 19:36.10 | jhutchins_wk | duk: Progress! |
| 19:36.16 | jelly | Lars_1: is there a /var/log/Xorg.0.log file and is it recent? |
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| 19:36.49 | Lars_1 | in lsmod| grep nvidia? |
| 19:36.54 | Lars_1 | jelly |
| 19:36.59 | jelly | on the filesystem. |
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| 19:37.05 | jelly | ls -ld /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:37.42 | Lars_1 | yea the file is present |
| 19:37.50 | Lars_1 | jelly |
| 19:37.55 | jelly | pastebin the contents. |
| 19:38.05 | Lars_1 | how? |
| 19:38.10 | jelly | install pastebinit tool and use it |
| 19:38.14 | Lars_1 | ok |
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| 19:38.34 | jelly | predicts "there's no network" |
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| 19:39.04 | Lars_1 | whats the command to use pastebin? |
| 19:39.08 | Lars_1 | jelly |
| 19:40.10 | greycat | Lars_1: you mean, from the console? one common way is your command | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 19:40.32 | jelly | Lars_1: pastebinit < /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:40.38 | Lars_1 | ok |
| 19:41.12 | jelly | if that fails try pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net < /path/to/file |
| 19:41.44 | Lars_1 | just did it |
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| 19:42.11 | Lars_1 | last line if the output says,,..... http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 19:42.18 | jelly | Lars_1: did it show an URL as result? |
| 19:42.30 | jelly | but nothing after http://paste.debian.net/ ? |
| 19:42.37 | jelly | that's not good |
| 19:42.53 | Lars_1 | no no url, nothing after .net/ |
| 19:42.59 | jelly | try, eg. pastebinit -b https://paste.ubuntu.com < /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:43.13 | Lars_1 | ok |
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| 19:43.37 | jelly | that works on my buster |
| 19:44.11 | jelly | the people managing paste.debian.net seem to break or change the api all too often |
| 19:44.21 | Lars_1 | got it |
| 19:44.52 | jelly | you need to tell us the resulting URL |
| 19:45.05 | Lars_1 | paste.ubuntu.com/p/Hcptd5NNbC/ |
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| 19:45.48 | greycat | still needs a login to read the raw version :( |
| 19:46.31 | jelly | wtf |
| 19:46.41 | Lars_1 | is it cancer? |
| 19:47.18 | jelly | well, the userspace part of the driver thinks there is no nvidia card it can attach to |
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| 19:47.50 | jelly | ,pciid 10de:1d10 |
| 19:47.51 | judd | [10de:1d10] is 'GP108M [GeForce MX150]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:1d10 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 19:48.03 | Lars_1 | guess by the time we ll sort this problem humans will reach mars |
| 19:48.23 | jelly | nvidia-detect 10de:1d10 says... |
| 19:48.34 | jelly | Your card is supported by the default drivers and legacy driver series 390. |
| 19:49.09 | Lars_1 | it says it supports that, but its not concious of it |
| 19:49.17 | jelly | so this driver ought to work. The default one ought to work as well. |
| 19:49.23 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: I thought I saw an i915 go by, is it hybrid? |
| 19:49.29 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: it is. |
| 19:49.51 | greycat | The wiki warns not to use the xorg.conf.d thing for Optimus systems. |
| 19:50.06 | jelly | Lars_1: I have no idea if additional steps need to be taken for a system with both intel and nvidia gpu. |
| 19:50.22 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Configuration says "Please note that this configuration will break Xorg on Optimus systems. For such hardware, see Bumblebee instead." |
| 19:50.23 | Lars_1 | can i go back to intel? |
| 19:50.40 | jelly | Lars_1: try to rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf and reboot again |
| 19:50.42 | Lars_1 | so we should go with bumblebee? |
| 19:51.07 | jhutchins_wk | Lars_1: "We" should read some documentation. |
| 19:51.42 | Lars_1 | Will do that for sure next time sir. |
| 19:51.57 | jelly | ,v bumblebee |
| 19:51.58 | judd | Package: bumblebee on amd64 -- jessie: 3.2.1-7; stretch: 3.2.1-14; bullseye: 3.2.1-20; buster: 3.2.1-20; sid: 3.2.1-20 |
| 19:52.28 | jelly | Lars_1: go read https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee then, we'll be waiting |
| 19:52.38 | Lars_1 | lets continue with bumblebee? my systems broken already, guess we can broke it some more |
| 19:52.39 | jelly | well some of us. I'm just about done |
| 19:52.44 | Lars_1 | ok |
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| 19:56.08 | jelly | Lars_1: you already have an equivalent of libgl1-nvidia-glx installed. I'd continue with steps at https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee starting from "sudo apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus" |
| 19:56.57 | Lars_1 | ok |
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| 19:57.18 | Lars_1 | i am booted up |
| 19:57.30 | Lars_1 | jelly,i removed that file as told. |
| 19:57.38 | jelly | with a gui login screen, or text mode only as before? |
| 19:58.01 | Lars_1 | proper gui screen |
| 19:58.10 | jelly | that's just intel |
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| 19:58.16 | Lars_1 | yep |
| 19:58.42 | jelly | verify libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx is installed, then install the rest of bumblebee bits |
| 19:58.54 | jelly | dpkg -l packagename |
| 19:58.54 | dpkg | ii packagename 3.6-13 jelly's private porn collection |
| 19:58.56 | Lars_1 | 350 or 390m |
| 19:59.19 | Lars_1 | sorry 340 or 390? |
| 19:59.21 | jelly | eugh... whichever you installed before :-) |
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| 19:59.31 | Lars_1 | ok |
| 19:59.59 | jelly | 390xx apparently |
| 20:00.28 | jelly | in that case it might be either libgl1-nvidia-legacy-390xx-glvnd-glx or libgl1-nvidia-legacy-390xx-glx |
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| 20:00.54 | jelly | I'm honestly not sure about the difference. Let's assume that if any one of those is installed, that's fine |
| 20:00.55 | Lars_1 | its all installed |
| 20:01.10 | Lars_1 | some firmware files are missing |
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| 20:01.32 | Abdullah | my touchpad on thinkpad stops working after a suspend or sometime. |
| 20:01.52 | jelly | Lars_1: does "optirun glxgears -info" work now (as normal user)? |
| 20:02.02 | Lars_1 | jelly, names goes like this... xxx_xxx_ver01_07_1398.bin |
| 20:02.21 | jelly | Lars_1: that's not complete output and I have no idea what it means. |
| 20:02.59 | jelly | hopefully now you can pastebin things |
| 20:03.11 | Lars_1 | says i have no permission to connect with bumblebee daemon and after running it with sudo says glxgears: no such file or directory |
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| 20:03.40 | Lars_1 | m doing pastebin then ok? |
| 20:04.02 | jelly | ,file bin/glxgears |
| 20:04.08 | judd | Search for bin/glxgears in buster/amd64: mesa-utils: usr/bin/glxgears |
| 20:04.18 | jelly | Lars_1: install mesa-utils to get that command |
| 20:04.48 | jelly | and you probably need to log off and back on again to activate membership of bumblebee group. |
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| 20:05.17 | jelly | Lars_1: does "id -a yourusername" show you're supposed to be a member of that group now? |
| 20:05.26 | Lars_1 | jelly, paate.ubuntu.com/p/Bq4pw3gxGt/ |
| 20:05.44 | Lars_1 | jelly, paste.ubuntu.com/p/Bq4pw3gxGt/ |
| 20:05.57 | greycat | I thought you had X working now, and yet you're manually retyping URLs? |
| 20:06.35 | annadane | how does exactly the same link not work in one instance... |
| 20:06.35 | Lars_1 | sorry will that exactly next time |
| 20:06.54 | Lars_1 | *do |
| 20:07.07 | jelly | Lars_1: that basically just tells us "X is working and intel gpu is driving outputs on your system and not nvidia directly" |
| 20:07.41 | Lars_1 | are you guys devs at debian ? |
| 20:07.50 | jelly | Lars_1: next steps are, if the wiki is to be trusted, "verify you're a member of group bumblebee" |
| 20:07.54 | jelly | no. |
| 20:08.16 | jelly | some others are, not me tho |
| 20:08.50 | jelly | speinding devs time on low level tech support would be somewhat wasteful |
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| 20:09.08 | Lars_1 | this was 9th attempt doing this nvidia thing, i guess i should move on from debian to something else, guess its time to move on |
| 20:09.29 | Lars_1 | i really appreciate you all guys helping me. |
| 20:09.35 | jelly | how is it 9th time now when you haven't even finished the 8th time |
| 20:09.48 | Lars_1 | its quit time maybe ? |
| 20:09.52 | jelly | why? |
| 20:10.02 | Sark | So, minor thing to mention - but the installer for Debian 10 has something wrong with the font, or the way it's scaled, because some lines of text are *blurry*. https://i.imgur.com/gbEyAks.jpg - look at the bottom of the word "statistics". This effect is seen on some lines, but not others. |
| 20:10.05 | Lars_1 | then whats next? |
| 20:10.14 | annadane | never mind, first one is 'paate.ubuntu.com', i should actually learn to read |
| 20:10.14 | jelly | [22:08] <jelly> Lars_1: next steps are, if the wiki is to be trusted, "verify you're a member of group bumblebee" |
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| 20:10.34 | jelly | Lars_1: did you read that wiki page for bumblebee |
| 20:10.52 | Sark | Anyone know what causes this? Just curious, it really doesn't matter since it's only in the installer, but still. It's strange, and I've never seen anything do this before. |
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| 20:11.02 | Lars_1 | i need to sign up ?? i read that page |
| 20:11.24 | jelly | Lars_1: and are you trying to follow the steps |
| 20:11.51 | Lars_1 | dude i did, |
| 20:11.57 | SerajewelKS | Sark: that just looks like the video hardware is outputting an image smaller than the monitor's native resolution, and the monitor is upscaling it |
| 20:12.10 | SerajewelKS | Sark: try turning off upscaling on your monitor, if it has that option |
| 20:12.17 | Sark | It doesn't - it has no native resolution. |
| 20:12.27 | Sark | It should be clear in all resolutions. |
| 20:12.27 | jelly | Lars_1: ok. Did you verify you're a member of group bumblebee, after installing bumblebee and primus packages? |
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| 20:12.53 | SerajewelKS | Sark: is it a CRT? |
| 20:12.55 | Sark | Yes. |
| 20:13.10 | Lars_1 | no i dont know how to verify |
| 20:13.20 | jelly | Lars_1: the command is "id" |
| 20:13.26 | greycat | 16:05 jelly> Lars_1: does "id -a yourusername" show you're supposed to be a member of that group now? |
| 20:13.41 | jelly | oh right, id -a yourusername |
| 20:13.43 | greycat | "id" to show your CURRENT privs, "id $LOGNAME" to show your FUTURE privs |
| 20:13.56 | greycat | -a is ignored, apparently |
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| 20:15.01 | Lars_3 | id gave this: uid=1000(commandline) gid=1000(commandline) groups=1000(commandline),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),109(netdev),112(bluetooth),117(lpadmin),118(scanner) |
| 20:15.15 | jelly | Lars_3: and "id commandline" ? |
| 20:15.24 | jelly | or "id -a commandline"? |
| 20:15.29 | Lars_3 | id -a "yourusername" gave this: uid=1000(commandline) gid=1000(commandline) groups=1000(commandline),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),109(netdev),112(bluetooth),117(lpadmin),118(scanner),998(bumblebee) |
| 20:15.40 | Lars_1 | hmm same |
| 20:15.41 | greycat | Lars_3: you see the difference, yes? |
| 20:15.46 | jelly | Lars_3: it's not the same |
| 20:15.53 | Lars_1 | yea |
| 20:15.56 | Lars_1 | not same |
| 20:16.03 | greycat | So you need to log out and back in. |
| 20:16.09 | SerajewelKS | Sark: then it may be that the monitor needs to adjust. what happens if you press the auto-adjust button? |
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| 20:16.22 | jelly | (because group memberships are only set at login) |
| 20:16.30 | Sark | It's a CRT. There is no auto adjust. They don't work like that. |
| 20:16.30 | SerajewelKS | Sark: i've only seen this effect when there is some kind of digital scaling of the picture. it could happen in the video hardware or in the monitor. |
| 20:16.46 | Sark | There isn't any digital section to the monitor. |
| 20:17.11 | SerajewelKS | like i said, the scaling could be happening in the video hardware |
| 20:17.11 | Sark | I guess it could be something weird with the video hardware in the computer? |
| 20:17.25 | Sark | But this is a pretty boring, standard sort of computer. Optiplex 390. |
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| 20:17.27 | SerajewelKS | TBH that's the only place that it would make sense given your description of the hardware |
| 20:17.41 | Lars_1 | jelly, i logged in again and now it says, Oh no! Something has gone wrong |
| 20:17.58 | jelly | heh |
| 20:18.10 | SerajewelKS | right i forgot auto-adjust is for digital displays that accept VGA |
| 20:18.22 | jelly | Lars_1: maybe reboot and try to log in again |
| 20:18.25 | Sark | I've just not seen this happen before. I'll poke around in the BIOS, maybe there's some setting for the video hardware there that's messed up? Or perhaps the installer isn't properly initializing the video hardware. |
| 20:18.32 | SerajewelKS | Sark: i'd look in the BIOS settings. i've seen display scaling settings in there on some systems. |
| 20:18.39 | Sark | It's not using the standard VGA text font, it's doing it's own thing. |
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| 20:19.14 | Lars_1 | rebboted its again stuck at hibernation |
| 20:19.45 | SerajewelKS | Sark: right, it does replace the font. but it's still VGA text mode. it's not using a framebuffer or anything. therefore i don't think the curses UI could do this, and i doubt the kernel is responsible either. |
| 20:19.55 | Sark | Interesting. |
| 20:20.08 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: Actually, the protocol for autodetect and auto-adjust was present in some (but not all) CRT monitors too. |
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| 20:20.44 | Sark | Actually, one thing I would like to find is where to replace the font - the font the installer picks is horrible, and I really just want the VGA text mode font back on the non-framebuffer console (after the system is installed) |
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| 20:21.13 | jelly | Lars_1: it's not stuck, press enter a couple times |
| 20:21.34 | jelly | Lars_1: or switch to ctrl-alt-f1 and then press enter |
| 20:22.25 | jelly | Lars_1: does the gui login screen not appear on this boot? |
| 20:22.26 | SerajewelKS | Sark: IIRC it's "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" but i might be wrong |
| 20:22.41 | Lars_1 | i did ctrl+alt+f1, logged in, removed everything nvidia, now it booted again, m on the logged in gui |
| 20:22.48 | Sark | I'll mess with that. Thanks SerajewelKS! |
| 20:22.52 | jelly | sigh |
| 20:23.04 | SerajewelKS | Sark: np. btw i'm pretty sure i've seen the scaling option in the BIOS on other dells too. |
| 20:23.14 | Lars_1 | any other step? |
| 20:23.29 | jelly | Lars_1: wasn't the point of this whole exercise to make that "everything nvidia" work? |
| 20:23.37 | Lars_1 | yep |
| 20:23.42 | Lars_1 | which it did not! |
| 20:23.45 | SerajewelKS | Sark: i think the theory is that the display hardware can output the "correct" resolution for the monitor all the time, preventing the display glitching out for a few seconds every time the system tries to change the output resolution. |
| 20:23.55 | jelly | so why did you remove it, instead of asking what to do next? |
| 20:24.08 | SerajewelKS | Sark: the trade-off is you have to live with scaling artifacts when the OS is trying to display at a resolution that's not optimal for the display |
| 20:24.14 | hop | because shotgun! |
| 20:24.27 | jelly | Lars_1: debugging is an iterative process |
| 20:24.29 | Sark | Interesting. I'll have to look at that, maybe I can turn it off. |
| 20:24.56 | Lars_1 | sir, its scary, i dont know when u may leave the chat, i ll be stuck so to be just on the safe side did that |
| 20:25.01 | Sark | This is a new computer to me, so I haven't spent a whole lot of time with it yet. |
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| 20:25.28 | jelly | Lars_1: okay, I'm going to take the opportunity to stop now, then :-) |
| 20:25.32 | Sark | I don't have an LCD display, so it seems silly to have something trying to pre-scale anything, since the normal monitors can just automatically adjust to any resolution so long as it's within range. |
| 20:25.37 | jelly | good luck! |
| 20:25.54 | Lars_1 | jelly, lets try it someother time ? |
| 20:26.09 | jelly | perhaps in about 22 hours from now |
| 20:26.20 | Abdullah | touchpad isn't working after suspend or after sometime |
| 20:26.21 | SerajewelKS | Sark: it doesn't make much sense to me either, i just know it's a thing that exists :) |
| 20:26.28 | Sark | Now, I did just check the menu in the monitor - it's running at a really strange non-standard resoution. 720x400 at 70hz. What the heck is going on? I've never heard of that before. It's not even the correct aspect ratio for anything. |
| 20:26.35 | Lars_1 | jelly, so may be lets continue it? |
| 20:27.01 | jelly | has half a mind to buy a T25 thinkpad just to see how broken these optimus setups are |
| 20:27.12 | SerajewelKS | oh boy, optimus |
| 20:27.22 | SerajewelKS | a coworker has one of those setups and it's pretty much hell |
| 20:28.03 | jelly | Sark: 720x400 is actually standard VGA text mode |
| 20:28.16 | Lars_1 | why cant we just have an "Additional Drivers" section in the software & updates? |
| 20:28.18 | jelly | (80x25 characters, in a 9x16 size) |
| 20:28.30 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: Like so many hardware implementation problems, Optimus works great when it works, and is miserable to deal with when it doesn't. |
| 20:28.40 | jelly | Lars_1: mostly because Debian does not go out of its way to help with non-free software |
| 20:28.55 | jelly | Lars_1: and all this nvidia-driver stuff is, well, non-free software |
| 20:28.57 | Lars_1 | Out of all tye OS's Popos did the best |
| 20:29.05 | Lars_1 | hmm i understand |
| 20:29.06 | Sark | Huh - I guess not one I remeber - I was thinking of VGA text mode as being 640x480. I could just be misremembering. |
| 20:29.30 | jelly | Sark: that's a graphical mode with square pixels |
| 20:29.36 | Sark | Ah, right. |
| 20:30.23 | jelly | old vga cards could do neat setups for text modes, say 100x37 (= 800x600) @ 90Hz |
| 20:31.01 | jelly | but typical LCD monitors can't deal with such a range of vert. refresh |
| 20:31.09 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: sounds like printing |
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| 20:32.17 | jhutchins_wk | One of these days I'm going to have to move my printer to the port on the router and see if cups can handle that. It uses a 32b wrapper, and I can't get it to work on my wife's newer computer. |
| 20:34.26 | jelly | text mode-alike fonts! https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/readme/ |
| 20:34.37 | jhutchins_wk | What's the factoid for changing the network naming scheme? |
| 20:35.17 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Network_interface_name_migration |
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| 20:35.39 | SerajewelKS | !disable persistent interface naming |
| 20:35.39 | dpkg | Persistent naming of network interfaces (ask me about <udev mac>) is a recommended Debian system default, but this can be disabled. For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" and later releases: «touch /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules && rm /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules». |
| 20:35.45 | SerajewelKS | well that's just wrong ^ |
| 20:36.22 | greycat | !factinfo disable persistent interface naming |
| 20:36.23 | dpkg | disable persistent interface naming -- created by gsimmons <~gsimmons@gsimmons.org> at Wed Jun 2 16:16:47 2010 (3374 days); it has been requested 38 times, last by SerajewelKS, 43s ago. |
| 20:36.26 | SerajewelKS | !interface names |
| 20:36.26 | dpkg | Starting with <stretch>, network interface names have changed from the previous convention of eth0, eth1/wlan0, wlan1 to names based on the device vendor or driver. This has some upsides and some downsides. For more information and options, see https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ or ask me about <dpni>. |
| 20:36.29 | jelly | dpkg, disable persistent interface naming =~ s/ and later/ up to Debian 9/ |
| 20:36.44 | jelly | SerajewelKS: now it's technically NOT wrong! |
| 20:37.15 | greycat | I do not understand what that factoid is even trying to achieve. |
| 20:38.03 | jelly | confusion? |
| 20:38.05 | greycat | But it sounds vaguely like what Gene is asking for on debian-user. |
| 20:39.08 | greycat | wtf is "/etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules" and how do I find out what creating that (empty) file does? |
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| 20:40.47 | jelly | greycat: it used to be a generator that created and saved the 70-persistent-net.rules file IIRC |
| 20:41.24 | jelly | presumably touching an empty one in /etc/udev/rules would override the real one in /lib |
| 20:41.39 | greycat | logs into a squeeze box to see this thing |
| 20:41.44 | jelly | thus, disabling the creation of 70-* forever? |
| 20:42.06 | jelly | but today it's not generated anyway |
| 20:42.35 | greycat | yeah, there's no 75-persistent-thingy in buster |
| 20:42.39 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: I think that's where udev drops the link between an interface name and it's MAC. If it links to /dev/null that doesn't do anything. |
| 20:43.00 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Right, different mechanism in the later kernels. |
| 20:43.49 | jelly | !listvals net.ifnames=0 |
| 20:43.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'net.ifnames=0' by value (1): dpni. |
| 20:44.02 | jelly | uh. |
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| 20:44.20 | jelly | dpkg, literal disable persistent interface naming |
| 20:44.20 | dpkg | "disable persistent interface naming" is "<reply>Persistent naming of network interfaces (ask me about <udev mac>) is a recommended Debian system default, but this can be disabled. For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" and later releases: «touch /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules && rm /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules»." |
| 20:44.28 | jelly | dpkg, literal dpni |
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| 20:44.28 | dpkg | "dpni" is "<reply>To disable Predictable Network Interface naming and revert back to the old interface naming, run "ln -s /dev/null /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link" as root (without quotes). Creating this symbolic link prevents systemd from being able to change interface names. You will need to unplug/replug your device or reboot/reload module. Alternatively add net.ifnames=0 to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub then run update-grub and reboot." |
| 20:44.46 | greycat | persistent != predictable |
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| 20:44.54 | jelly | one is persistent, other is predic... right |
| 20:45.13 | jelly | this is why we can't have nice things! |
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| 20:46.01 | jelly | dpkg, listvals biosdevname |
| 20:46.03 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'biosdevname' by value returned no results. |
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| 20:48.13 | greycat | also, it ignored your =~ |
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| 20:48.23 | greycat | still says squeeze and later |
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| 20:53.46 | jelly | yeah, I've given up |
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| 20:56.22 | mystic | Running MX linux, wifi not working. tried the terminal commands that fixed the issue on ubuntu, didnt work on mx. please advice |
| 20:56.31 | greycat | !mxlinux |
| 20:56.31 | dpkg | Current MX Linux is based on Debian stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at https://mxlinux.org/. |
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| 20:57.05 | mystic | if its not supported, why is this the default room mx hexchat sends me too? |
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| 20:57.54 | jelly | because mx people did not fix their hexchat package and left it exactly as in the parent distro, presumably |
| 20:58.05 | mystic | lazy sods |
| 20:58.22 | jelly | well, tiny distros have to pick what they'll work on |
| 20:58.22 | greycat | Because the developers of certain other distributions are assholes that send their users HERE so they won't have to do as much supporting. |
| 20:58.44 | mystic | maybe im an asshole too.. but help would be appreciated |
| 20:58.46 | jelly | tbh we are also assholes, punting their users out |
| 20:59.06 | jelly | it's assholes all the way down |
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| 20:59.31 | mystic | assholes n asshats.. what else we got |
| 21:00.11 | jelly | if you try to install actual debian, then we can go suggest things to make wifi working |
| 21:00.18 | beavis | asspenies |
| 21:00.29 | sunzero | with what tool can i set fan/gpu settings to nvidia card, and save it hardwarely after reboot |
| 21:00.34 | sunzero | specially fan |
| 21:00.38 | jelly | like "use unofficial installer that already has most of the firmware inside" |
| 21:00.39 | sunzero | some sensor package? |
| 21:00.46 | mystic | my wifi doesnt work on any linux distro |
| 21:00.48 | sunzero | they are changed by default (hardwarely) by mining apps (tools) |
| 21:01.04 | mystic | but i cna get it working on ubuntu with some terminal commands i found |
| 21:01.09 | mystic | didnt work on mx though |
| 21:01.10 | jelly | mystic: oh, then get a wifi card that works on linux |
| 21:01.23 | mystic | or linux pull your finger out and support it |
| 21:01.32 | jelly | atheros chipsets |
| 21:01.34 | mystic | like good ol windows duz |
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| 21:02.11 | sunzero | who knows |
| 21:02.19 | mystic | so what do i need to type to make it work ? |
| 21:02.26 | mystic | 'work u sonofa' ? |
| 21:02.26 | jelly | mystic: paying kernel devs hours to make your card work will be a LOT more expensive than getting an atheros mini pcie or usb |
| 21:02.51 | mystic | well. if linux isnt up to par, i will use windows when need be. often it seems |
| 21:02.52 | jhutchins_wk | !info fancontrol |
| 21:02.59 | dpkg | fancontrol: (utility to control the fan speed), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 46 kB, Installed size: 100 kB |
| 21:03.08 | magic_ninja_work | jelly, atheros a good wifi chip for linux? |
| 21:03.30 | jhutchins_wk | mystic: We can almost always get them to work, it just requires some tinkering. |
| 21:03.37 | jelly | magic_ninja_work: many wifi chips from that company Just Work |
| 21:03.41 | sunzero | jhutchins: which is the package |
| 21:03.56 | mystic | im hamfisted.. i dont tinker. something will break under the force |
| 21:04.02 | jelly | some even have free firmware |
| 21:04.09 | jhutchins_wk | mystic: Many wifi chipsets require "firmware" that sets channel frequencies and power levels and is not free, so needs to be manually installed. |
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| 21:04.38 | mystic | this works in ubuntu..if i paste the right code, so download is enough |
| 21:05.20 | jhutchins_wk | sunzero: Sorry, I just realized that's not released yet. There's something available though, it's been around for years. |
| 21:05.34 | sunzero | ok |
| 21:05.47 | mystic | what do i need to type to make it work |
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| 21:06.16 | sunzero | jhutchins thanks |
| 21:06.28 | jelly | sunzero: I suppose if anyone knows it will be the people in #nouveau channel, if that's the driver you use |
| 21:06.43 | mystic | club nouveu |
| 21:06.49 | jhutchins_wk | sunzero: Sorry, I misinterpreted that, fancontrol is available in stretch and buster too. |
| 21:07.22 | sunzero | ok thank you :D |
| 21:07.29 | sunzero | i will see |
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| 21:08.08 | swift110 | hey guys |
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| 21:08.47 | mystic | any ideas? |
| 21:08.48 | jhutchins_wk | sunzero: As for the GPU I have no idea on that. |
| 21:09.01 | mystic | or just forget mx and go back to windows/ubuntu ? |
| 21:09.49 | sunzero | jhutchins this is terrible but this mining gits are terrible they are chaning fan speed randomly some times if you compile it or apt-get it |
| 21:09.55 | jhutchins_wk | mystic: You need to figure out what chipset it is and whether it needs firmware. dmesg | grep firmware will tell you some of that (or dmesg | less and search, that shows you lines on either side as well. |
| 21:10.06 | jhutchins_wk | (There's a way to do that with grep but I've never use it.) |
| 21:10.07 | jelly | mystic: two things a) symptoms not clear enough b) not debian |
| 21:10.20 | mystic | i cant figure that out even if i get the results |
| 21:10.36 | mystic | oh well.. i'll pass on mx then.. |
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| 21:10.57 | jhutchins_wk | mystic: Yeah, Ubuntu's probably your best fit. |
| 21:10.59 | mystic | only linux i can use pretty well is ubuntu.. the rest are a bit flaky at best |
| 21:11.31 | mystic | havent got round to designing gui's yet and rely on tarballs n terminals. cant be going down that road |
| 21:11.46 | jhutchins_wk | mystic: Not really, they just take a little more work. Ubuntu does a lot of the subtle things for you. |
| 21:12.00 | mystic | thats what i want.. the rest i dont have time for |
| 21:12.10 | mystic | or the desire to loose my hair learning terminal language |
| 21:12.52 | jhutchins_wk | mystic: Remember something like 96% of the internet runs on linux, and (almost?) all animated movies are rendered on linux server farms. |
| 21:12.53 | mystic | i was gonna give mx a crack.. see if it might be better than ubuntu for me. i think not |
| 21:13.11 | jhutchins_wk | mystic: So some distros may be flakey, but linux in general is not. |
| 21:13.19 | mystic | thats great, if ure a geek who creates it. as a user, its no good for me |
| 21:13.34 | swift110 | linux is awesome |
| 21:13.46 | mystic | i cant builda car, and if i bought one id be offended if they then told me to build it |
| 21:14.29 | mystic | im sure linux runs great.. seems to... but i have to go with gui's.. every time |
| 21:14.35 | jhutchins_wk | mystic: If you deliberately bought a kit car that would be more like linux. Great control, customization, and performance, some work required. |
| 21:14.56 | jhutchins_wk | mystic: You can buy systems with linux already installed and running. |
| 21:15.04 | mystic | id only would have bought the kit car if i was told 'even my grandma has one, its easy' the lie that hooks you lol |
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| 21:15.59 | mystic | sorry got to go work |
| 21:18.08 | humpled | :\/ |
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| 21:18.55 | mystic | back.. had to boot int osomething i can work on |
| 21:19.05 | humpled | are you mystic? |
| 21:19.13 | mystic | am i wat |
| 21:19.27 | humpled | from politics/derp channels |
| 21:19.34 | mystic | no |
| 21:19.37 | mystic | i dont go there |
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| 21:19.49 | humpled | oh, you remind me of them |
| 21:19.50 | mystic | im mystic from linux drives me nuts channels |
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| 21:21.42 | OS-46011 | !bruce |
| 21:21.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bruce is a metasyntactic variable or the head of the mythical Open Source Initiative or the person that was deposed as head of LSB in a coup or the person that has helped make Qt OpenSource. |
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| 21:22.45 | mystic | !george |
| 21:22.45 | dpkg | pokes george.... yep, he's asleep |
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| 21:24.18 | mystic | is it possible to run linux on a commodore 64? |
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| 21:30.08 | jelly | OS-46011: you probably want the #offsec channel, not #debian |
| 21:31.19 | mystic | no banter allowed here? |
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| 21:33.27 | dvs | nope |
| 21:33.36 | dvs | strictly help |
| 21:33.39 | mystic | was my question classed as banter? |
| 21:34.05 | jelly | !offtopic |
| 21:34.05 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 21:34.24 | mystic | can debian be run on a commodore 64 then ? |
| 21:34.31 | jelly | !slap mystic |
| 21:34.31 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across mystic's face |
| 21:34.37 | mystic | :/ |
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| 21:37.26 | mystic | !slap mystic |
| 21:37.26 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across mystic's face |
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| 21:39.09 | jelly | is GEOS not good enough for you |
| 21:39.15 | dvs | heh |
| 21:39.27 | mystic | whats that |
| 21:39.28 | dvs | prefers Workbench |
| 21:40.08 | jelly | a gui OS for C64, C128 |
| 21:41.07 | jelly | exactly the kind of question seriousness for #debian-offtopic |
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| 21:42.40 | swift110 | sup jelly |
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| 21:47.27 | mystic | i will look at geos on youtube, thanks |
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| 22:32.37 | KOLANICH | https://gitlab.com/KOLANICH/AptSourcesHardener.py |
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| 22:32.54 | KOLANICH | What do you think? |
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| 22:35.50 | nvz | So my /usr/ is over 12G about 5.3G in /usr/share/ and 6.1G in /usr/lib/ I got a lot of cruft on my system clearly and a lot of it is probably manually installed form when I was compiling something and told it to install libs.. any suggestions on cleaning this up? |
| 22:36.16 | nvz | I know we have a few tools for finding unused packages I'm just not sure which one would best suit my need right now |
| 22:36.37 | nvz | none of the crap eating up this space would be auto installed orphans |
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| 22:38.06 | nvz | hell come to think of it, in my case just going over everything manually installed would probably be more useful |
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| 22:41.55 | nvz | just runs through crap manually in synaptic to see what he can get rid of |
| 22:42.15 | mystic | what does synaptic actuallt mean |
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| 22:46.03 | karlpinc | mystic: It's a gui for apt. |
| 22:46.30 | mystic | i mena the word 'synaptic' something to do with brain ? |
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| 22:47.52 | xaeB5 | apt is the package manager |
| 22:47.59 | xaeB5 | they just picked a word with apt in it probably |
| 22:48.07 | mystic | i see |
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| 22:49.36 | somiaj | apt = advanced package tool |
| 22:52.25 | nvz | shrugs |
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| 22:52.49 | nvz | I got 244 packages marked for complete removal so far, about 2G to be freed :P |
| 22:53.02 | somiaj | and maybe autoremove can do some more afterwards |
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| 22:53.17 | somiaj | though I guess i just look through dpkg -l for that |
| 22:53.22 | nvz | I'm going back and forth between the manual and autoremovable status tabs |
| 22:53.38 | nvz | I just went in and got rid of anything -dev right off the bat |
| 22:54.17 | somiaj | I need to get better at building only in chroots so my main install doesn't have all these -dev packages in it |
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| 22:55.57 | nvz | yeah I know better but I dont do better :P |
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| 23:00.17 | nvz | I'm just tired of running my daily driver with a 120GB SSD close to the wire |
| 23:00.33 | nvz | trying to clean up this damn drive so I got space to work |
| 23:00.34 | somiaj | and the OS is taking up a good amount of that? |
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| 23:01.01 | somiaj | Though I guess I don't run a full desktop, but even when I install lots of stuff I don't use and 'bloat' my debian install, it is rarely more than 15-20gigs |
| 23:01.02 | nvz | the /usr alone was taking up more than 12G |
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| 23:02.00 | nvz | 56G on / and only 40G of that is in /home |
| 23:02.38 | hypn0 | do you have separate partitions |
| 23:02.44 | somiaj | 12G in /usr doesn't seem that high, that falls into my 15-20gigs experience. |
| 23:02.57 | nvz | I already cleaned up /home a bit.. moving crap I havent touched in a long time to my external and rm -rf .cache/thumbnails emptying trash |
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| 23:03.08 | somiaj | My root is only using 7.3G here, and that is everything expcet /home, this is more what I'm use to. |
| 23:03.19 | nvz | yeah but it should be less than half that if I werent running this machine like a jagoff :P |
| 23:03.24 | somiaj | yea, webbrowsing and file manager caches can add up |
| 23:03.30 | nvz | and was building in chroots and stuff |
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| 23:12.08 | humbot | would that mean you had to download gigabytes of binaries every time you needed them? |
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| 23:18.02 | somiaj | humbot: kinda depends, if one wants to make lots of chroots, using something like apt-cacher-ng and a local mirror will mean you only download the packages once for your network, then all your other chroots, vms, machines pull form that |
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| 23:18.32 | somiaj | humbot: if you use a tool like pbuilder, it keeps copies of all the .deb packages around so it only needs to install them in the chroot and not download them each time |
| 23:18.48 | sa-ghosts | gnome files (nautilus) makes a copy of images set as a wallpaper in (/home/username/Pictures/Wallpapers) yet the setting app doesn't see this folder and it sees this insted (/home/username/Pictures) is there a way to change the folder of custom wallpapers in the setting app? |
| 23:18.51 | somiaj | so for those who do this regurally, there are plenty of tools to keep from downloading the packages each time. |
| 23:20.36 | humbot | thanks :0 |
| 23:20.40 | humbot | oops :) |
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| 23:24.40 | sa-ghosts | if I go to (/home/username/Pictures/Wallpapers) and try to change the wallpaper by clicking "Set as a wallpaper" nautilus will make a copy of the image in the same folder |
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| 23:44.54 | sa-ghosts | I used the guide in this article: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/fix-gnome-wallpaper-inconsistency |
| 23:45.37 | sa-ghosts | this is annoying and should be fixed |
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