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| 00:49.12 | TTT | hi, just a quick one, if I install debian on an encrypted root partition, that partition is crypted with luks, not dm-crypt, right? Is there an option to set up dm-crypt encryption for root? |
| 00:49.45 | TTT | installer is a bit misleading, as it says "dm-crypt" as an option to encrypt partition, but it ends up luks v2 container |
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| 01:12.32 | mikeymop | the installer asks for realtek firmware, I have the .deb however I cannot add it because the debian image is ro |
| 01:12.44 | mikeymop | I tried using fedora media writer and startup disk creator |
| 01:12.59 | mikeymop | can I like, mount -t the .iso add the .deb to the firmare in the .iso then restore the disk image onto a usb? |
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| 01:14.52 | somiaj | the installer requires a second usb drive with the .deb or firmware file on it |
| 01:15.33 | somiaj | you can also skip this step initially (netinstall has a fully functional minimial install on it that dosen't require the internet), and then install the firmware after you complete the install, and before you install the rest of the software. |
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| 01:23.08 | dashs | tmpfs is not automagically mount for NIS logins Debian 10? |
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| 01:30.22 | SerajewelKS | dashs: you're gonna have to be quite a bit more specific than that |
| 01:30.39 | SerajewelKS | i'm not aware of any per-user tmpfs that's mounted by default on debian |
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| 01:34.03 | dashs | Serajewelks - These are the /run/user/uid tmpfs which should be created for each login. |
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| 02:26.51 | warsoul | is getting crazy :P |
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| 03:48.02 | warsoul | whats going on here? |
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| 04:05.26 | Naif | IDK |
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| 04:29.27 | annadane | if your distro support channel is quiet, maybe it means it's working as expected. :-D |
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| 05:23.00 | OS-44565 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.45 | vlt | OS-44565: Usually someone would advise now to change your password ASAP ... but 1234? |
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| 05:35.15 | Daniel15 | That's amazing, I've got the same combination on my luggage |
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| 05:53.31 | darxmurf | The auto indentation in VIM for bash scripts is broken, I opened a bug repport and someone said " |
| 05:53.35 | darxmurf | It's unlikely to get fixed in Buster" |
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| 05:53.50 | darxmurf | Oo they will keep it like this for 1 year? |
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| 05:54.13 | annadane | link to the report? |
| 05:54.14 | OS-44565 | It's not my Password. I did not know what to write from the windows and did a test send to get an error. |
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| 05:55.55 | nvz | has the same password on his luggage |
| 05:56.29 | darxmurf | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=939369 |
| 05:56.35 | nvz | OS-44565: regardless we don't support kali, oppsec, or any of that crap in here |
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| 05:57.09 | annadane | well firstly that bug report says testing |
| 05:57.13 | annadane | second, i see no replies |
| 05:57.53 | darxmurf | same vim version, and I got a reply here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=918672 |
| 05:57.54 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/918672 in vim (open): «[vim] XML auto indentation misbehaves (adds/removes additonal/wrong indentation)»; severity: normal; opened: 2019-01-08; last modified: 2019-06-12. |
| 05:58.55 | annadane | yeah, that's annoying. i guess reply to the bug report and ask why not but it wouldn't be the first time a bug goes unfixed in stable |
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| 06:02.48 | nvz | auto indenting xml isn't really a release critical bug |
| 06:02.51 | saul | i'm having trouble getting the installer to locate some .ucode firmware files for a wifi device. the .ucode files are in the root a fat32 partition |
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| 06:03.03 | nvz | unless the programs sole purpose is to auto indent xml maybe :P |
| 06:03.06 | saul | the documentation doesnt say where to mount the firmware medium |
| 06:03.27 | saul | it claims the installer "will scan available devices for either loose firmware files or packages containing firmware" |
| 06:03.34 | choon | is there any chance DNS over TLS will come to debian in systemd? Systemd 243 got it now |
| 06:03.34 | nvz | !firmware images |
| 06:03.35 | Haohmaru | o hai there, mr nvz |
| 06:03.35 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 06:03.44 | nvz | Haohmaru: lies.. |
| 06:03.56 | saul | in dmesg, i am seeing firmware: failed to load ilwifi-.....ucode (-2) |
| 06:03.59 | Haohmaru | i'm still copying /home x_x |
| 06:04.08 | saul | so it's not finding but i dont know where it's looking |
| 06:04.34 | saul | nvz: sounds like i should just start over using those images :) |
| 06:04.48 | annadane | systemd will get backported at some stage so yes |
| 06:04.57 | saul | and remember the installer is broken in this regard |
| 06:05.00 | annadane | ,v systemd |
| 06:05.01 | judd | Package: systemd on amd64 -- jessie: 215-17+deb8u7; jessie-security: 215-17+deb8u13; stretch: 232-25+deb9u11; stretch-security: 232-25+deb9u11; stretch-proposed-updates: 232-25+deb9u12; stretch-backports: 241-5~bpo9+1; buster: 241-5; buster-proposed-updates: 241-7~deb10u1; bullseye: 241-7; sid: 241-7; experimental: 242-2+b1 |
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| 06:08.11 | choon | annadane: thanks! https://github.com/systemd/systemd/releases/tag/v243 |
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| 06:08.28 | nvz | saul: that would be my recommendation to use the firmware netinstall if you dont have a good reason not to |
| 06:09.10 | nvz | saul: if your internet is REALLY slow, limited bandwidth or such, my 2nd recommendation would be to proceed through install without configuring network and install as much as you can, fix it after first boot |
| 06:09.47 | nvz | that whole loading firmware files from the installer is vaguely documented and rather stupid.. IMHO |
| 06:11.23 | saul | nvz: agree, it's something i've always avoided |
| 06:11.44 | saul | i was actually cloning debian-installer to grep through and see if i could easily find the 'scanning' code |
| 06:12.01 | saul | i'm curious to see how that (doesn't) work :) |
| 06:12.43 | saul | honestly i would just have check in /mnt/drivers and instruct (or offer) the user to create that directory and mount an inserted usb drive there |
| 06:13.27 | saul | nvz: nah i have good internets |
| 06:13.38 | saul | nvz: rufusing that image presently :) thanks |
| 06:13.51 | nvz | saul: yeah, don't do that |
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| 06:14.31 | nvz | dpkg, rufus? |
| 06:14.31 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 06:14.43 | nvz | dpkg win32diskimager |
| 06:14.44 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 06:15.17 | Haohmaru | uh, i use rufus on windows |
| 06:15.28 | nvz | I'm sorry to hear that |
| 06:15.37 | Haohmaru | with debian images (or most things) i set it to "dd" mode |
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| 06:16.33 | Haohmaru | it's not the default mode of course, huh |
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| 06:17.47 | saul | seems to be working with the defaults so far |
| 06:18.05 | saul | win32diskimager is great too |
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| 06:21.24 | nvz | yes well see, the thing is.. folk like me who have been using and supporting debian for 15-20 years haven't touched windows in that long.. and we know the install guide says use win32diskimager and the bot says DO NOT USE RUFUS so we're not going to do anything but regurgitate that information when you mention it or issues with the installer |
| 06:21.42 | Haohmaru | after i ran rsync, i figured i could've skipped a pile of dumb folders like ~/.cache/ >:( |
| 06:22.11 | nvz | Haohmaru: how much data was it in /home? |
| 06:22.19 | Haohmaru | i don't know |
| 06:22.27 | annadane | you "can" use rufus in certain instances, depending. unetbootin is totally wrong and shouldn't ever be used |
| 06:23.23 | Haohmaru | i mean, i've used rufus to write SD card images for olinuxino.. it has worked fine (in dd mode of course) |
| 06:23.35 | Haohmaru | i'm using an old version tho |
| 06:26.57 | nvz | I personally would typically rather wander off into the wood and bang my head off tree trunks than use windows for anything |
| 06:27.38 | Haohmaru | i hate crapdows too |
| 06:28.24 | Haohmaru | using xp at home, win7 here, it gets progressively worse in each version |
| 06:28.32 | Haohmaru | win10 is absolutely &*@*!(# |
| 06:28.48 | Haohmaru | my eyes vomit when they see it |
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| 06:29.47 | nvz | I'm broke and I've turned down two jobs in the last two months due to the fact it would involve using windows |
| 06:30.18 | Haohmaru | crapdows10? |
| 06:31.04 | Haohmaru | altho, even 7 and the older ones are horrendous if you're not allowed to adjust them |
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| 06:31.14 | Haohmaru | so.. yeah |
| 06:31.31 | Haohmaru | win98SE was gud |
| 06:32.02 | nvz | idk one I guess was a 7->10 migration project for a healthcare company of some kind.. and another was vaguely stupid sounding crap about installing win7 on a server.. |
| 06:32.19 | Haohmaru | o_O |
| 06:32.21 | nvz | I'd rather get a colonoscopy |
| 06:33.49 | Haohmaru | listens to how that last sentence resonates in the channel |
| 06:34.06 | nvz | or as Rob Reiner said on the Story Of US, I'd rather watch my ass on tv.. |
| 06:35.34 | nvz | which none of his friends thought was funny, but I found it amusing |
| 06:36.17 | Vjetar | hi annadane |
| 06:37.17 | Haohmaru | is there something that uses rsync but lets you "see things better" while it's progressing, and let you skip certain files or directories "on the go" ? |
| 06:37.32 | Haohmaru | i can almost predict the answer to this.. |
| 06:37.44 | nvz | heh |
| 06:37.46 | saul | nvz: fail! |
| 06:37.53 | saul | this damn 'firmware' iso is asking for the same files :D |
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| 06:38.55 | nvz | saul: yes well, you can have your money back if you like.. but really you never said what the error was specifically |
| 06:39.14 | saul | :) |
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| 06:39.43 | saul | nvz: i did paste it in backscoll, it was a code -2 (not sure what process returned that) |
| 06:39.52 | nvz | sings "I think you better turn your ticket in, get your money back at the door.. " |
| 06:39.56 | Haohmaru | error 42: "it dun wurk" |
| 06:40.00 | saul | :D |
| 06:40.06 | nvz | that part means nothing to me |
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| 06:40.12 | saul | nvz: same here |
| 06:40.22 | nvz | either the pciid of the nic or the name of the firmware file would be relevant |
| 06:40.36 | saul | yeah that's 8086:24fd |
| 06:40.41 | nvz | and for all I know that idiot rufus didnt even burn the new image, you're still running the old one |
| 06:40.48 | nvz | ,pciid 8086:24fd |
| 06:40.48 | saul | what's weird is that it doesnt show up in any of the lists for this chipset |
| 06:40.48 | judd | [8086:24fd] is 'Wireless 8265 / 8275' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:24fd http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 06:40.57 | Vjetar | saul, there can be two different files with almost same name |
| 06:41.07 | saul | Vjetar: correct |
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| 06:41.18 | Vjetar | saul, even same size |
| 06:41.31 | saul | 8625-22 ... 8625-36 (.ucode) |
| 06:41.31 | Vjetar | in byte |
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| 06:42.17 | nvz | modinfo iwlwifi |grep 24fd returns nothing on my buster box |
| 06:44.14 | Vjetar | saul, as I told it here, Intel quad was just an idea in 1995. We looked ad "big boys" talk about quad-proc. And there were some of us who understand them. They all went to USA, The Walley. I stayed in Croatia. |
| 06:44.24 | Vjetar | ups* |
| 06:44.27 | Vjetar | 1985. |
| 06:44.28 | saul | it looks like they changed the hardware ids recently |
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| 06:45.04 | nvz | saul: I'm hungry, tired, not interested in prolonged support right now.. but I am guessing your card is bleeding edge and you'd be better off to install without it.. either over ethernet possibly with internet connection sharing if need be, or without network either the base system or if you get an image with a DE on it.. use that.. |
| 06:45.09 | Haohmaru | there's this one file that takes forever to copy.. it's some 4GB image of something that i probably don't need, how do i skip it? it's stuck on 84% of it since an hour |
| 06:45.13 | saul | nvz: dont sweat it man |
| 06:45.15 | nvz | then you'd try installing the sid kernel and firmware packages manually |
| 06:45.24 | saul | nvz: i'm clear it's pebcak though |
| 06:45.29 | saul | nvz: suggest food and sleep |
| 06:45.31 | nvz | heh |
| 06:45.33 | saul | i'm about to sleep and try again |
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| 06:45.52 | saul | should not undertake this stuff when already tired |
| 06:46.44 | _pa | so, even you Apeiron` :-P |
| 06:47.09 | saul | oh man |
| 06:47.09 | _pa | Ape iron Ä0Ä |
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| 06:47.14 | _pa | Ape iron l0l |
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| 06:47.16 | saul | nvz: it's working |
| 06:47.28 | _pa | see saul ... |
| 06:47.45 | _pa | just come here, talk to people, and it will work |
| 06:47.46 | saul | nvz: the firmware installer failed to detect its own firmware, but DID locate the one on the usb stick i was using earlier |
| 06:47.49 | saul | _pa: haha |
| 06:48.01 | _pa | ;-) |
| 06:48.03 | saul | it will work in an unexpected way |
| 06:48.11 | _pa | hahaha |
| 06:48.21 | _pa | it's for the best saul |
| 06:50.40 | Haohmaru | alternatively, is it a good idea to delete such files from the dying hdd so that rsync doesn't have to copy them? |
| 06:50.51 | Haohmaru | i suspect "no" |
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| 06:56.14 | jelly-home | Haohmaru: rsync has --exclude options. |
| 06:56.58 | Haohmaru | so.. do i kill it? (ctrl+c) and add an --exclude ? |
| 06:57.02 | nvz | jelly-home: I think he was looking for something more magical that would let him decide to skip things in real time |
| 06:57.14 | jelly-home | Haohmaru: yes |
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| 06:58.00 | Haohmaru | poor thing, it can't even snap out of it :/ |
| 06:58.17 | humpled | is the disk squeaking yet? |
| 06:58.38 | ratrace | give it time, the kernel has to commit all those dirty pages it's lying about having already copied. |
| 06:58.45 | Haohmaru | i don't know, it's too noisy here |
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| 06:59.52 | Haohmaru | --exclude={"/wub/file1", /wab/file2"} like this? |
| 06:59.53 | jelly-home | if it's a disk going bad, it might be rying to reread that one block, on a sata disk and sata controller and driver that might take 10 minutes to notice |
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| 07:00.18 | Haohmaru | yeah it's SATA |
| 07:00.26 | Haohmaru | the new hdd is also SATA |
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| 07:00.41 | Haohmaru | i'm running rsync from a debian live USB stick |
| 07:00.45 | jelly-home | Haohmaru: man rsync, look for --exclude, paths are relative to source |
| 07:00.56 | Haohmaru | ah, okay |
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| 07:01.23 | jelly-home | and there's no json-ry involved in syntax iirc |
| 07:01.59 | Haohmaru | json-ry?! |
| 07:02.27 | jelly-home | if you're doing rsync -a /foo/ /bar/ and you want to skip /foo/baz/quux.txt, you'd ... --exclude baz/quux.txt |
| 07:02.38 | jelly-home | (untested) |
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| 07:03.25 | jelly-home | Haohmaru: that {"...", "..."} syntax you invented looked a bit like json |
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| 07:04.17 | nvz | chhh chhh chhh chhhh haaa haaa haaa haa... |
| 07:05.07 | nvz | puts on a hockey mask and reaches for the largest knife in the block |
| 07:05.10 | Haohmaru | i didn't invented, saw it on wikipedia *shrug* |
| 07:06.01 | Haohmaru | bluh, mah engrish broke |
| 07:06.19 | han-solo | i have seen grep exclude with `=foo.{json,c,py}` or something like that i thinl |
| 07:06.25 | nvz | no prob, I'm json vorhees.. I'l kill your engrish |
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| 07:11.26 | humpled | seems to work |
| 07:11.58 | Haohmaru | got another question too, i didn't sit all night to stare at it, has it copied everything or does it skip files if it "can't" manage to read them from the source? |
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| 07:18.19 | Haohmaru | now "sending incremental file list" is taking much long :/ |
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| 08:09.56 | igneous | With this bug, it looks like the fix went into unstable but not testing. Is there a reason? The regression is still there in testing. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=934293 |
| 08:09.57 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/934293 in fuse3 (closed, bullseye, sid): «fuse3.postinst fails»; severity: grave; opened: 2019-08-09; last modified: 2019-09-01. |
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| 08:22.44 | _pa | so kids? |
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| 09:07.52 | ksk | Hola. I am wondering if it would be possible to have two mouse-cursors in Linux/X somehow? (Like, for automated guy testing maybe?) |
| 09:08.08 | ksk | eh, s/guy/GUI/ |
| 09:09.08 | ksk | like having "stack of things displayed on monitor A, doing clicky things with mouse" - while I have another monitor where I do things with "my mouse" so to say - hope you get what I mean.. |
| 09:10.21 | bolt_ | ksk: look into running two separate x servers instead |
| 09:10.30 | bolt_ | one on each monitor |
| 09:10.46 | ksk | thanks, that sounds reasonable. |
| 09:12.19 | jelly | igneous: packages migrate from unstable to testing automatically after a number of days (10 or 5, unsure), unless they're really buggy or dependencies prevent them |
| 09:12.38 | jelly | !why is fuse3 not in testing |
| 09:12.38 | dpkg | fuse3 is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=fuse3 |
| 09:12.39 | igneous | jelly: ah okay I had a feeling that was the case, I've never actually been sure about it |
| 09:16.28 | jelly | ,v fuse3 |
| 09:16.29 | judd | Package: fuse3 on amd64 -- bullseye: 3.4.1-1; buster: 3.4.1-1; sid: 3.4.1-1 |
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| 09:27.34 | kristoferus75 | hi ! have installed debian buster on an hp elitebook 840 |
| 09:27.49 | kristoferus75 | bit the internal lte modem doesnt work |
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| 09:28.28 | kristoferus75 | und lsusb i see the modem lt4112 Gobo 4G module |
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| 09:29.23 | kristoferus75 | but the modem-manager not found a modem and also in the nwetwork manager i cannot see ist |
| 09:29.34 | kristoferus75 | please help |
| 09:32.50 | gierdo | kristoferus75: what have you tried already? |
| 09:35.43 | diogenes_ | kristoferus75, take a look at this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/603457/hp-lt4112-lte-hspa-gobi-4g-modem-huawei-me906e-qmi-not-working-14-04 |
| 09:36.04 | diogenes_ | this: https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Wireless-and-Networking/Gobi-LT4112-not-working-in-linux/td-p/6718237 |
| 09:36.25 | diogenes_ | and this: https://support.hp.com/th-en/document/c04773272 |
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| 09:39.43 | ratrace | oh,shi-! sysbench not in buster .... now what. I needs it. |
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| 09:44.36 | ksk | ,v sysbench |
| 09:44.37 | judd | Package: sysbench on amd64 -- jessie: 0.4.12-1.1; stretch: 0.4.12-1.2; sid: 1.0.17+ds-1 |
| 09:44.54 | ksk | !why is sysbench not in buster |
| 09:44.55 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, ksk |
| 09:45.05 | ksk | !why is sysbench not in testing |
| 09:45.06 | dpkg | sysbench is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=sysbench |
| 09:45.06 | ratrace | ksk: I know why it isn't, mariadb dep |
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| 09:45.55 | ratrace | i'll consider between installing from sid, or debootstrapping sid, it's a test environment anyway |
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| 09:46.41 | ksk | what is sysbench? If it is just for testing, I would give sid a try maybe - not sure how stable it is though right now |
| 09:47.06 | ratrace | it's a system benchmarking tool (disks, cpu, databases) |
| 09:47.21 | ksk | has been some time since buster release, so the craziest bugs should have been fixed already ;) |
| 09:48.00 | ksk | ah, okay. you then might want to migrate to "cool, new performance foo" - whatever that would be these dayas. |
| 09:48.05 | ksk | perf, maybe? |
| 09:48.34 | ratrace | ksk: actually I wanted it only for postrges.... forgot postgres comes with its own pgbench |
| 09:48.47 | ratrace | need to compare a few integrity checking scenarios and how the db acts with them |
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| 09:54.19 | mystic | whats going on in here |
| 09:55.00 | ksk | mystic: debian related talk, mostly. |
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| 09:55.42 | mystic | i dont understand it |
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| 09:59.50 | Haohmaru | when rsync finishes, does that mean there weren't any significant errors? |
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| 10:01.25 | Haohmaru | it says "sent 2,051,465,624 bytes received 900,833 bytes" "total size is 43,160,963,148" |
| 10:01.51 | Habbie | Haohmaru, it does not mean that, no |
| 10:02.00 | ratrace | Haohmaru: yeah, it'd complain that "some files weren't" transfered or something |
| 10:02.15 | Haohmaru | so does the above look okay-ish? |
| 10:02.21 | Habbie | what ratrace said |
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| 10:02.28 | Habbie | rsync should draw your attention to that near the stats at the end |
| 10:02.35 | ratrace | yeah |
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| 10:02.53 | ksk | Haohmaru: it does look okay-ish. It has been a well known practice over here to run the command a second time - and check that nothing then appeared as transfered |
| 10:03.19 | Haohmaru | perhaps, if i re-run the rsync command, i guess it should just check things and if everything was already copied - it wouldn't copy anything additionally, right? |
| 10:03.28 | Haohmaru | ah |
| 10:03.34 | ratrace | Haohmaru: in principle, yes |
| 10:03.35 | ksk | wich kind of should not be needed, but huumans tend to make errors, so you can check the "source" and "destination" parts etc before entering the command a second time ;) |
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| 10:18.05 | Haohmaru | okay, it ran a 2nd time, it didn't copy anything |
| 10:18.15 | mystic | 3rd time lucky? |
| 10:18.28 | Haohmaru | again it printed "sent ... received .." at the end |
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| 10:19.15 | kristoferus75 | the problem is i have tried a lot but so that the modem should work but wthout success |
| 10:19.39 | kristoferus75 | with lsusb i see it |
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| 10:21.40 | tagomago | Weird, I think that since the upgrade to Buster, the Lightning (calendar) extension of Thunderbird can't play the calendar default alert sound |
| 10:23.01 | tagomago | The file is there (/usr/share/lightning/chrome/calendar/content/calendar/sound.wav) and it can be played externally, but Thunderbird can't... |
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| 10:24.00 | Haohmaru | okay, i guess /home has been copied |
| 10:24.17 | Haohmaru | now, do i copy the whole /etc/ ? |
| 10:24.31 | Haohmaru | i suspect "no" |
| 10:26.53 | joltis | Haohmaru: what are you trying to do? |
| 10:27.20 | Haohmaru | trying to transplant my debian10 from a dying hdd onto a new hdd |
| 10:27.52 | joltis | ah. I usually copy /etc to have as a reference |
| 10:27.57 | joltis | but not over the existing |
| 10:27.58 | Haohmaru | where, the old one was on btrfs partitions, now i went for ext4, thus i couldn't just "dd" it |
| 10:28.09 | joltis | Haohmaru: I use this to copy a vps from a old to new: https://4a9bc5c3bd491e3f.paste.se/ |
| 10:28.20 | joltis | everything but the files that should not be copied |
| 10:28.29 | joltis | will give you a pretty complete clone |
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| 10:32.11 | Haohmaru | so, copying the whole /etc isn't a gud idea then? |
| 10:32.35 | Haohmaru | this is still the same machine, only the hdd and the partition filesystems have changed |
| 10:32.49 | Night_Elf | Hello. A question regarding corosync+pacemaker. I have a vanilla two-node configuration. There is the standard IPaddr2 resource. When I test the setup by putting the nodes to 'standby', it all works. But when I test by pulling out the network cable of a node, "crm" command fails with a message. ERROR: status: crm_mon (rc=107): Connection to cluster failed: Transport endpoint is not connected |
| 10:33.03 | Haohmaru | and also, the old debian10 was upgraded from 9, the new one i installed yesterday from netinst.iso |
| 10:33.26 | Night_Elf | If I restart the pacemaker service, it becomes operational again. Is this normal ? |
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| 10:35.47 | Night_Elf | Haohmaru: I would think it will be fine, but only you need to check about what is in /etc/fstab when it comes to mounting partitions. If you have repartitioned, those entries there might not be the same. |
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| 10:40.54 | uio | tagomago, I just tested it, I got the audio (flute noise) and a visual pop-up... I'm on Buster XFCE upgraded from Stretch... |
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| 10:42.52 | uio | tagomago, Lightning plays that sound you gave the path for on my machine. |
| 10:46.47 | tagomago | uio, same as me except that I'm on MATE |
| 10:48.03 | uio | tagomago, It worked for you before the upgrade? |
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| 10:49.03 | tagomago | uio: Yes, it's been working forever until (I think) the Buster upgrade... Maybe some permission issue? |
| 10:49.30 | uio | tagomago, Could you try with a different DE to try to isolate the issue? |
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| 10:55.21 | no_gravity | Is there High DPI scaling support in Linux these days? I would like to scale up my Mate desktop environment. Any ideas how to go about that? |
| 10:55.28 | tagomago | uio: not an option for now, will keep searching and wait... Now I realised that Lightning can't play personalized (wav) sounds either, it just won't play any sound |
| 10:55.55 | tarzeau | no_gravity: nothing to do with linux, but X/wayland and/or mate |
| 10:56.00 | tenknarf | hey guys, does somebody here have experience with irqbalance on an cortex platform |
| 10:56.26 | no_gravity | tarzeau: I have tried those specialized channels occasionally and have yet to see a single reply over there. |
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| 10:59.47 | tarzeau | no_gravity: i wasn't trying to move you to another channel, just to say it's not linux problem but x or mate |
| 11:00.25 | no_gravity | tarzeau: So this channel is only about the linux kernel? |
| 11:01.07 | tarzeau | no it's about the debian binary distribution and its users, you're perfectly right in here |
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| 11:02.47 | uio | tagomago, Hmmmm. Interesting. I mean, if you don't want to download another DE, you could just test in a WM to see if the issue is coming from MATE or not. |
| 11:04.12 | Night_Elf | no_gravity: I do know there's this setting about desktop scaling for high dpi displays in Cinammon. Don't know if that applies for Mate. |
| 11:05.36 | no_gravity | Night_Elf: There is one in mate-tweak. I'm not sure what it does though. It seems to have no effect. |
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| 11:07.00 | no_gravity | Oh holy fuck! It *does* something. It blows everything up to 200%! |
| 11:07.23 | no_gravity | I need something like 120%... |
| 11:08.00 | Night_Elf | well yes, the one I have seen in cinammon does the same, it magnifies everything x2 |
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| 11:09.54 | tagomago | uio: tried uninstalling and manually installing Lightning (this solved a previous issue) to no avail. Maybe I'll try your suggestion on a VM whenever I have time |
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| 11:31.20 | Haohmaru | Night_Elf wouldn't that mess up stuff like apt? |
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| 11:33.07 | Night_Elf | Haohmaru: You said it is the same system, the only difference was the disks were repartitioned. If that is the case, the contents of the filesystems are the same, only the info regarding the partitions themselves on how the system recognises and uses them changes. |
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| 11:34.03 | Haohmaru | yeah, and.. the old debian was debian9 upgraded to 10, while on the new hdd i installed debian10 directly |
| 11:34.28 | ws2k3 | i use debian as a desktop. is it possible to change ctrl+c to super+c ? |
| 11:34.39 | Haohmaru | but there packages installed are different.. |
| 11:34.58 | Haohmaru | (got more packages on the old one) |
| 11:35.35 | Haohmaru | i mainly wanna copy the settings, i'm okay if i have to re-install the packages manually |
| 11:35.41 | Night_Elf | Probably /etc/apt/sources.list files are different too. |
| 11:35.42 | tarzeau | ws2k3: switch the buttons on your keyboard? |
| 11:35.50 | Haohmaru | definately |
| 11:36.04 | Haohmaru | the old one has commented-out lines from deb9 |
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| 11:39.16 | Night_Elf | Haohmaru: What /etc/ contains in debian9 and 10 depends on what you have installed. In theory, it won't harm to replace the new /etc/ with the old /etc/ in order to get the same configs as before. But then, keep the new /etc/ around my moving it to smth like /etc.new/ in case you will need it again. |
| 11:40.03 | Night_Elf | Of course, pay attention to what is relevant and needs to be changed, like /etc/fstab and /etc/apt/ |
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| 11:41.11 | Night_Elf | For what you need, if you issued "dpkg --get-selections" on the old one, the list of the installed packages it will generate will help you a lot to install the same things on the new system. |
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| 11:43.42 | Haohmaru | that's not such a big problem |
| 11:44.41 | Haohmaru | okay, bluh.. |
| 11:45.10 | mystic | any gays in ? |
| 11:45.42 | darxmurf | ,v vim |
| 11:45.43 | judd | Package: vim on amd64 -- jessie: 2:7.4.488-7+deb8u3; jessie-security: 2:7.4.488-7+deb8u4; stretch: 2:8.0.0197-4+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 2:8.0.0197-4+deb9u3; stretch-security: 2:8.0.0197-4+deb9u3; bullseye: 2:8.1.0875-5; buster: 2:8.1.0875-5; sid: 2:8.1.0875-5 |
| 11:45.48 | Haohmaru | rename /etc/ to /etc.new/, rsync copy the old /etc/ to /etc/, copy certain things from /etc.new/ to /etc/ (fstab, apt maybe..?) |
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| 11:47.32 | Haohmaru | besides /home/ and /etc/, is there anything else that might contain settings of any kind or other kinds of customizations i might have done? |
| 11:47.51 | Night_Elf | Yes. Check always if things work as needed, and get anything that causes trouble from the old one. |
| 11:48.04 | Haohmaru | :/ |
| 11:48.19 | Haohmaru | i don't wanna keep this dying hdd around for that long |
| 11:48.34 | mystic | put it out of its misery |
| 11:48.57 | Haohmaru | <hammer_time.gif> |
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| 11:49.59 | Night_Elf | At the new system you will have the /etc/ of the old one. It doesn't hurt to have content in it which is not needed/used. |
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| 11:52.34 | Night_Elf | You can even have a copy of the old /etc/ as /etc.old/ to, which will be your refrence. So you will always have /etc/ (the old but updated) and the /etc.new/ (as it is from the fresh install) and the /etc.old/ (as it was exactly at the old system) |
| 11:52.46 | humpled | really, if dpkg updated your configs, it would ask you and show you diffs |
| 11:53.24 | humpled | i zip up my /etc for backup, but i don't copy it right over, just use it for reference |
| 11:53.48 | humpled | you can probably tell by timestamps which things you've changed |
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| 11:54.29 | karlpinc | Haohmaru: /var/spool/cron can have stuff |
| 11:54.58 | Haohmaru | i haven't used "cron" manually |
| 11:55.13 | karlpinc | Haohmaru: Then not. |
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| 11:55.54 | karlpinc | Haohmaru: Unless you've used 'at'. |
| 11:56.16 | Haohmaru | no idea what that is |
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| 11:56.34 | karlpinc | Haohmaru: And other stuff could be in /var/, like /var/www if you're running a webserver, etc. |
| 11:56.52 | Haohmaru | ahumz, luckily not |
| 11:57.25 | kiwi_29 | hi, I who do I fill sources.list after a non-internet CD-Rom install? |
| 11:57.37 | karlpinc | Haohmaru: I forget where cups puts its printer configs. |
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| 11:57.49 | dvs | !tell kiwi_29 about buster sources.list |
| 11:57.50 | Haohmaru | i've not used printers |
| 11:58.04 | karlpinc | !buster sources.list |
| 11:58.04 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 11:58.15 | karlpinc | dvs: (sorry) |
| 11:58.21 | dvs | grrr! ;-) |
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| 12:00.39 | kiwi_29 | karlpinc: Does this first mean I should manually enter the text, rather than to recall the installation routine or such? |
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| 12:02.36 | Haohmaru | there's gotta be some nifty trick to "wget" an example source.list from debian.org or somewhere |
| 12:03.22 | Haohmaru | i always seem to type all the lines manually :~( |
| 12:03.55 | Haohmaru | that's an indication of how much i don't like windows |
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| 12:05.16 | humpled | mpd stuff is in /var/lib/mpd if you have that |
| 12:05.39 | Haohmaru | haven't heard about it |
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| 12:06.24 | Haohmaru | should i've been copying stuff with rsync with --ignore-times and --numeric-ids or not? |
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| 12:07.28 | kiwi_29 | if this was my installation debian-testing-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso, I wonder that there was no difference to the stable release lines, sorry I am somewhat ubuntu minded, am I? |
| 12:07.40 | Night_Elf | I found a workaround for the pacemaker service stopping when disconnecting the cable. Apparently, networkManager removes the ip address and brings the interface down when the cable disconnects. So I disabled networkmanager completely, and placed all the network configurations in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:07.50 | Night_Elf | This way the interface remains active and also the ip address is retained. |
| 12:07.51 | kiwi_29 | Am I right? |
| 12:07.54 | jelly | kiwi_29: "testing" is completely different from current Debian 10 stable release |
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| 12:11.30 | kiwi_29 | And now? Where do get them now better. The testing source.list entries? |
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| 12:14.57 | humpled | but in those sources.list lines which dpkg showed, only the word buster would have changed |
| 12:14.58 | Night_Elf | kiwi_29: Usually, the difference in the lines of the /etc/apt/sources.list are in the name of the os release. Those can be "testing" or "jessie" or "stretch". The rest should be the same. |
| 12:15.28 | Night_Elf | Of course "buster" as well. |
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| 12:48.37 | Haohmaru | is there some command to cause a smol innocent beep? |
| 12:49.01 | Haohmaru | preferably with the pc speaker |
| 12:49.57 | Haohmaru | in C you could printf some fancy escape char that causes an alarm in some terminals |
| 12:50.31 | ratrace | yes, it's called.... wait for it...... beep! |
| 12:50.52 | Haohmaru | then i guess it doesn't come installed normally |
| 12:50.53 | ratrace | just watch out for "Holey Beep!" CVEs :) |
| 12:50.58 | han-solo | printf '\077' ? |
| 12:51.14 | Haohmaru | i don't speak octal |
| 12:51.26 | ratrace | also modprobe pcspkr |
| 12:51.33 | han-solo | it's BEL character |
| 12:51.47 | Haohmaru | yeah something like that.. was it 0x0A or something |
| 12:51.52 | Haohmaru | or 0x0B maybe |
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| 12:53.21 | Haohmaru | printf doesn't seem to do it |
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| 13:12.00 | ayekat | Haohmaru: '\a' - see ascii(7) |
| 13:12.21 | Haohmaru | yeah |
| 13:12.34 | Haohmaru | and it doesn't seem to work with printf |
| 13:12.58 | ayekat | printf '\a' |
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| 13:13.03 | ayekat | should definitely work |
| 13:13.24 | Haohmaru | do i have to be root? |
| 13:13.26 | ayekat | Haohmaru: then again, if you expect it to give an audible beep sound, you might need to configure your terminal emulater as such |
| 13:13.40 | ayekat | and also make sure your audio configured appropriately |
| 13:13.49 | ayekat | Haohmaru: no, not for the bell character |
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| 13:14.00 | Haohmaru | i do hear beeps when i keep pressing backspace while there's nothing left to erase |
| 13:14.32 | Haohmaru | ..pc speaker beeps |
| 13:14.49 | Haohmaru | also when grub loads |
| 13:15.08 | ayekat | hmm... if you get a beep from a backspace in the shell then '\a' should certainly also give an audible beep IMHO |
| 13:15.20 | Haohmaru | i thought so too |
| 13:15.20 | ayekat | is clueless |
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| 13:15.45 | Haohmaru | ah wait, i don't actually get a beep on backspace right now o_O |
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| 13:15.58 | Haohmaru | i'm running from a live iso |
| 13:16.13 | Haohmaru | i'm 99.99% sure this machine beeps on backspace normally |
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| 13:16.31 | Haohmaru | maybe the live iso can't beep |
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| 13:17.04 | ayekat | or it may have simply been configured differently |
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| 13:33.10 | bahia2 | kurwa |
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| 13:36.15 | jelly | bahia2: this is a tech support channel with English language. Do you have a Debian tech support question? |
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| 13:47.40 | kiwi_6 | I just installed debian sid, but the hibernating is failing: "s2ram_do: Device or resource busy" came from s2ram from uswsusp package. How do you configure hibernation, do you? |
| 13:48.20 | kiwi_6 | Thanks for an answer. |
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| 13:55.40 | jelly | dpkg, debian-next |
| 13:55.40 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 13:56.10 | jelly | kiwi_6: ask in the right channel on OFTC network, after checking existing bug reports. |
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| 14:00.20 | kiwi_6 | I am wrestling with the problem since year, on ubuntu was I, so I was just interested how could others mainly do the hibernation, on their computer. Because if not this detail, the whole device gets useless for daily use, that drastic, is not it? |
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| 14:03.53 | nova99 | Hi, has anyone here used debian based rolling release distro or even debian testing? |
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| 14:05.23 | annadane | neither testing or unstable are truly rolling release but yes, i have |
| 14:05.32 | annadane | i prefer something that always works like stable |
| 14:06.08 | annadane | of course people have used them for years without too many issues but they tend to know what they're doing already and sudden changes can be jarring to deal with |
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| 14:07.55 | nkuttler | nova99: just ask your real question |
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| 14:08.44 | nova99 | I'm just looking for recommendations good sir |
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| 14:09.10 | nova99 | I've used debian based OS's till now and I wanted to try a rolling release distro now. |
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| 14:09.37 | greycat | So go try one. We won't stop you. |
| 14:09.52 | Haohmaru | unties nova99 |
| 14:09.54 | annadane | i suppose there's siduction if you wanted something a little more curated. or vanilla testing/unstable, up to you, just keep backups yada yada |
| 14:10.07 | nova99 | I meant a debian-based rolling release distro, but it's ok |
| 14:10.26 | ayekat | if it's just for "trying out", testing can be rolling release enough for a start |
| 14:10.46 | annadane | yeah, testing's probably a good bet |
| 14:11.11 | annadane | you'll eventually run into the freeze when testing doesn't change for like 5 months, but... |
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| 14:12.27 | nova99 | greycat:Go fuck yourself, I won't stop you |
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| 14:12.47 | annadane | well okay then. |
| 14:14.32 | greycat | "I have an idea. I'll go into the stable Debian tech support channel where nobody even uses testing or unstable, and I'll ask vague questions about other distros, and then I'll insult everyone!" |
| 14:14.33 | han-solo | whoa, hey, we have kids here |
| 14:15.32 | Haohmaru | nova99 needs to listen to moar tropical house |
| 14:15.47 | Haohmaru | i'm a certified psychiatrist |
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| 14:22.08 | Haohmaru | should i be using --ignore-times and --numeric-ids with rsync? cuz when i repeat the command it seems to copy everything again and again :/ |
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| 14:25.30 | marsupapu | Any idea why Evolution fails to start and reports segmentation fault? |
| 14:26.32 | at0m | marsupapu: start it from a terminal and hopefully you'll see more verbose log output. |
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| 14:30.08 | marsupapu | https://paste.debian.net/plain/1098764 |
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| 14:30.31 | marsupapu | Not too informative for me |
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| 14:32.27 | ihristov | Are you trying running it as root or an ordinary user? |
| 14:32.44 | marsupapu | Ordinary user |
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| 14:34.01 | marsupapu | I've been using it for years with this installation. Upgraded to Buster few days ago. It worked couple of days after upgrade but now refuses to start |
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| 14:40.34 | ihristov | Do you have another GUI environment different from Gnome? |
| 14:41.05 | marsupapu | Yes, I've been running Mate all the time |
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| 14:41.35 | ihristov | Can you try changing the session and then start it again |
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| 14:43.05 | marsupapu | I've tried to launch it from Openbox with similiar results |
| 14:43.20 | ihristov | Roger |
| 14:43.29 | ihristov | I'm running out of ideas |
| 14:43.47 | ihristov | I suppose you check the logs already and the error is the same like the aforementioned |
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| 14:44.31 | humpled | is it running already? |
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| 14:46.14 | marsupapu | It manages to start some processes. Evolution-source-registry, evolution-calendar-factory and evolution-addressbook-factory. Killing those doesn't make any differenc |
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| 14:48.44 | humpled | so do you normally start it by hand? isn't it a user service or autostarted by the desktop? how do you know when you've got mail? |
| 14:49.39 | marsupapu | I normally start it by hand. Mate doesn't start it automagically, and I use it most for the calendar. |
| 14:49.55 | humpled | ah |
| 14:51.41 | humpled | searching 'man evolution' does not return man pages for evolution :| |
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| 14:52.00 | humpled | maybe there's a verbose flag |
| 14:52.07 | humpled | ,v evolution |
| 14:52.08 | judd | Package: evolution on amd64 -- jessie: 3.12.9~git20141130.241663-1+b1; jessie-security: 3.12.9~git20141130.241663-1+deb8u1; stretch: 3.22.6-1+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 3.22.6-1+deb9u2; stretch-security: 3.22.6-1+deb9u2; bullseye: 3.30.5-1.1; buster: 3.30.5-1.1; sid: 3.30.5-1.1; experimental: 3.33.4-1 |
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| 14:55.56 | humpled | man page suggests consulting --help for options or starting with --debug=<file> |
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| 14:58.38 | section1 | marsupapu, too you can try to start it with a clean enviroment of a new/test user.. |
| 14:59.06 | marsupapu | I'll try |
| 15:00.58 | humpled | you don't have evolution-ews for exchange/office365/outlook do you |
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| 15:01.24 | marsupapu | Yep, it fails with same error with other user as well |
| 15:01.36 | section1 | oh :( |
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| 15:02.34 | section1 | humpled, ask you "you don't have evolution-ews for exchange/office365/outlook do you" |
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| 15:03.05 | section1 | and in dmesg or kernel log do you see a segfault line? |
| 15:03.08 | humpled | i guess they don't have it, and ask for confirmation, yes |
| 15:03.16 | humpled | it's been removed |
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| 15:04.45 | marsupapu | Could it be some dependency issues with the upgrade |
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| 15:07.22 | humpled | what like re. gtk3 and mate maybe |
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| 15:13.00 | noudle | okay i may be super stupid but how can i get apt to install all dependencies along with the package that i want it to install? |
| 15:13.30 | dvs | hmmmmmm... install that package? |
| 15:13.46 | Habbie | noudle, that's what apt does |
| 15:13.59 | noudle | right now 'apt install x' just gives me 'the following packages have unmet dependencies' and then a list on which pacjages they depend |
| 15:14.10 | noudle | so i would need to add them all manually to my install command |
| 15:14.17 | Habbie | ah, no |
| 15:14.25 | Habbie | that means something is wrong |
| 15:14.29 | dvs | noudle, changes are that your sources.list is wrong |
| 15:14.29 | Habbie | want to pastebin what actually happens? |
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| 15:14.43 | dvs | *chances |
| 15:14.54 | noudle | Habbie: there is not much happening beside what i wrote |
| 15:15.05 | noudle | dvs: how do you mean? |
| 15:15.24 | greycat | !bat |
| 15:15.25 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 15:16.22 | Habbie | noudle, yes, but seeing the package names might help us figure out what's happening; but first, do what dpkg just said |
| 15:16.35 | noudle | give me a minute |
| 15:16.39 | Habbie | sure |
| 15:16.47 | Habbie | we'll be here, or somebody else will be here, etc. |
| 15:16.55 | noudle | ok :) |
| 15:17.01 | humbot | seems similar to this marsupapu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/1796185 |
| 15:17.32 | Akuw | i am using this command --> ssh root@10.3.96.5 df -h | awk '/\/dev\/sda/ { print "["$6"]--> "$5 }' |
| 15:17.48 | Akuw | but when i do --> ssh root@10.3.96.5 hostname; df -h | awk '/\/dev\/sda/ { print "["$6"]--> "$5 }' |
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| 15:18.11 | Akuw | i got only half output of awk command |
| 15:18.20 | greycat | you're only running hostname in ssh. you're running df |
| 15:18.22 | Habbie | Akuw, the df -h runs on your local system |
| 15:18.23 | greycat | and awk locally. |
| 15:18.37 | Akuw | no |
| 15:18.40 | greycat | yes |
| 15:18.42 | Habbie | yes |
| 15:18.45 | jelly | maybe? |
| 15:18.50 | Akuw | humm |
| 15:18.52 | Akuw | let me see |
| 15:18.53 | greycat | sà |
| 15:19.09 | Habbie | jelly, no :D |
| 15:19.12 | jelly | ssh ...; <- at this ; the command ends |
| 15:19.57 | greycat | The normal way to force a command to be run by ssh is to enclose it in quotes. But you're ALREADY using two layers of quotes. You are officially in Quoting Hell. Your best bet is to stick the command in a (quoted) here-document and feed that to ssh bash or ssh sh. |
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| 15:20.08 | Akuw | yesd |
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| 15:20.23 | jelly | ssh root@10.3.96.5 'hostname; df -h' | awk ... |
| 15:20.41 | greycat | yeah, that could work. let the awk run locally. |
| 15:20.55 | greycat | you'd need to make sure awk lets the first line (hostname) pass through unmolested. |
| 15:21.24 | jelly | if hostname command returns more than, or less than a single line, you probably have other problems |
| 15:22.38 | Habbie | greycat, it doesn't :) |
| 15:22.57 | greycat | who doesn't what? |
| 15:23.06 | jelly | yes |
| 15:23.08 | Habbie | awk drops the hostname |
| 15:23.15 | greycat | He would need to CHANGE his awk command. |
| 15:23.18 | Habbie | yes |
| 15:23.23 | Habbie | sorry, we're agreeing |
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| 15:23.47 | greycat | ssh user@host bash -s <<'EOF' is probably the easier way |
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| 15:24.53 | jelly | at that point you're halfway to ansible |
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| 15:32.18 | noudle | Habbie: i cant do the apt-cache policy step for each packet as that are like 100 packages |
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| 15:33.04 | noudle | Habbie: i try to follow this and it fails on the 'apt install proxmox-ve' step: https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Install_Proxmox_VE_on_Debian_Stretch |
| 15:33.15 | greycat | noudle: pick one or two that you especially care about |
| 15:33.32 | greycat | I'm getting serious frankendebian vibes. |
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| 15:35.56 | noudle | greycat: so you mean i should do this: 1. apt install <packet> | 2. get list of packages out of the "Depends on" error | 3. do 1. on each of those packets | 4. repeat. then i have a huge list of packages and all need to be installed to install the one first packet. so i would pick every packet because i need every packet to install the one packet i care about |
| 15:36.15 | greycat | for the love of glob just PICK one and paste the information on the web so we can see it. |
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| 15:36.27 | Habbie | noudle, just the apt-get error output would be a very good start |
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| 15:37.39 | noudle | Habbie: http://ix.io/1Ug0 |
| 15:37.55 | greycat | !proxmox |
| 15:37.55 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 15:38.13 | greycat | ,v pve-manager |
| 15:38.14 | judd | No package named 'pve-manager' was found in amd64. |
| 15:38.27 | greycat | you're using non-Debian packages that depend on other non-Debian packages |
| 15:38.28 | noudle | oh okay, though it is supported as they have a wiki page on how to install it on debian |
| 15:38.46 | greycat | ,v qemu-server |
| 15:38.48 | judd | No package named 'qemu-server' was found in amd64. |
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| 15:39.24 | noudle | https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Install_Proxmox_VE_on_Debian_Stretch |
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| 15:39.43 | greycat | and... are you on Debian stretch? |
| 15:39.44 | noudle | you add their source list |
| 15:40.30 | greycat | (if you had followed the instructions from dpkg, we would KNOW which release you're on...) |
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| 15:41.18 | noudle | no im on buster, sorry sorry.. |
| 15:41.31 | greycat | so the instructions for "how to install on stretch" may not apply to you |
| 15:41.54 | Habbie | they do have a buster repo |
| 15:42.05 | Habbie | i suspect just changing that in sources.list would do the trick |
| 15:42.11 | Habbie | don't forget to run apt update and watch for any errors there |
| 15:42.13 | noudle | ye think so |
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| 15:51.08 | mmfood | I am still trying to figure out how to boot a btrfs raid1 system on top of luks if a drive is potentially missing. Since debian cryptsetup does not use the nofail option in crypttab I have to wait for initramfs to panic and handle it manually by removing the crypttab entry in cryptroot/crypttab which isn |
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| 15:51.59 | mmfood | isn't a big deal since this hopefully shouldn't happen too often :) but the next step is to figure out how to tell systemd to also skip it. |
| 15:54.53 | jelly | mmfood: raid is kind of used to ensure better availability. Refusing to boot a system because an array is merely degraded seems counterproductive? |
| 15:55.30 | greycat | is raid normally done "on top of luks", or the other way around? |
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| 15:55.53 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Other way. |
| 15:56.02 | jelly | it honestly should not matter but I have no idea what's the best practice for btrfs in particular |
| 15:56.09 | mmfood | greycat: depends on the setup. For btrfs raid luks has to be the bottom layer |
| 15:56.13 | jelly | logic dictates! |
| 15:57.08 | jhutchins_wk | Seems to me that raid should be a lower level than filesystem. |
| 15:57.25 | jhutchins_wk | Then again, they call all kinds of wierd setups "raid" these days. |
| 15:58.09 | jelly | mmfood: if it were a raid5 or raid6-ish equivalent the initramfs code would need to be smart enough to know how many failures of independent luks devices are allowed? |
| 15:58.33 | mmfood | jhutchins_wk: well, btrfs implements raid natively. I'm assuming it is beneath the actual fs parts. |
| 15:58.53 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: btrfs is both raid and filesystem and volume management. Welcome to the new world. |
| 15:59.00 | jelly | s/both/all of/ |
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| 15:59.09 | dashs | IF a user is defined by NIS, login fails to mount the runtime user dir (pam_systemd) with"Invalid argument" (probably null) |
| 15:59.28 | mmfood | but ony of the benefits of raid1 is to be able to boot even if one drive fails, but if the system refuses to boot because it cannot find and decrypt it that benefit is lost. |
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| 15:59.33 | greycat | if you're on buster, there are several things you need to do for NIS to continue working |
| 16:00.01 | jelly | mmfood: does hacking cryptsetup options for initramfs to include nofail help? |
| 16:00.10 | dashs | greycat: listening |
| 16:00.18 | greycat | this particular symptom sounds like "The security settings for some components of systemd have been tightened. People using nis with systemd may encounter bug 878625 which breaks a variety of things related to login sessions" |
| 16:00.21 | mmfood | jelly: it would make things easier yes |
| 16:00.27 | greycat | quoted from https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster |
| 16:01.05 | mmfood | jelly: but I have kind of elbowed myself around the initramfs part. The current issue is systemd which also refuses to continue without decrypting the missing drive |
| 16:01.32 | dashs | greycat: thanx |
| 16:02.27 | jelly | > systemd changed the setup to block access to the network for several services used during login, and this break any NSS module fetching information from a network service, like the NIS one |
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| 16:03.09 | jelly | oh dear, this will break things for sssd_ldap and sssd_ad as well, probably |
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| 16:04.12 | greycat | yes, sounds plausible |
| 16:04.49 | jelly | and I don't have good things to say about glibc nscd |
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| 16:05.17 | jelly | except "use unscd or literally any other implementation you find randomly on the internet" |
| 16:05.57 | SerajewelKS | sssd is slightly different but is also a pain in the ass |
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| 16:06.16 | SerajewelKS | both it and nscd cache stuff so agressively that you have to restart both any time you breathe on the system |
| 16:06.16 | zmoo | hello debian channel |
| 16:06.48 | jelly | it also has its own nss modules, but at least those delegate network access to sssd so things might actually work |
| 16:06.56 | SerajewelKS | aggressively* |
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| 16:07.38 | jelly | SerajewelKS: and versions in EL6-7 work slightly less buggy than versions in jessie-buster |
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| 16:07.52 | zmoo | what deb-src line do I need to add inorder to do; sudo apt-get build-dep build-essential |
| 16:07.55 | SerajewelKS | i haven't seen a case where either significantly impacts performance, either. at least on my systems, they seem to exist solely to cause problems. |
| 16:08.13 | jelly | well. |
| 16:08.31 | greycat | zmoo: just copy each deb line and change deb to deb-src in the copies |
| 16:08.31 | somiaj | zmoo: just the standard deb-src mirror, but build-essential is just a metapackage, you don't need much to build that. |
| 16:08.32 | jelly | offers SerajewelKS access to a system with 200k local unix accounts |
| 16:08.53 | zmoo | okey thanks |
| 16:08.58 | somiaj | zmoo: I assume you are wanting to build all the software that build-essential creates? Or any other reason you want to build that meta package? |
| 16:09.07 | jelly | cd ~jel<TAB> takes its sweet time! |
| 16:09.52 | zmoo | I dont need to build I I guess, at this point I was installing boost libs and.. well one thing led to another.. |
| 16:10.03 | greycat | Interesting. I didn't know bash *did* that kind of completion. |
| 16:10.36 | SerajewelKS | i don't know why you'd need build-essential's build-deps for anything boost |
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| 16:10.46 | SerajewelKS | zmoo: this looks like an xy problem |
| 16:10.55 | SerajewelKS | !xy problem |
| 16:10.55 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 16:11.05 | jelly | getent passwd 7.70s user 5.18s system 81% cpu 15.821 total |
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| 16:11.52 | zmoo | lol, I recall installing it before for a imbeded tool chain, your totally correct, I will skip it, |
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| 16:12.16 | greycat | zmoo: I suspect you got confused, and you really wanted "apt-get install build-essential" instead. |
| 16:12.20 | zmoo | this was a case of human error, over zealous human* in this case |
| 16:12.23 | zmoo | ty |
| 16:12.28 | SerajewelKS | zmoo: it's common to *install* build-essential, but it's very rare to need its build-deps |
| 16:12.31 | zmoo | take it easy |
| 16:16.41 | Akuw | how can i find all cron jobs available for all user and in all places |
| 16:16.48 | Akuw | actually i use crontab -l |
| 16:17.01 | Akuw | but that list only cron jobs for current user |
| 16:17.15 | greycat | Akuw: ls /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 16:17.15 | jelly | grep . /var/spool/cron/crontabs/* |
| 16:18.16 | jelly | and there are also some global, not per-user config files with jobs |
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| 16:19.26 | jelly | Akuw: see NOTES section in cron(8) man page |
| 16:19.41 | Akuw | man cron |
| 16:19.44 | Akuw | sorry |
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| 16:55.42 | RandomSerb | why isn't unetbootin in debian main? |
| 16:55.46 | RandomSerb | stretch, that is |
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| 16:56.32 | jhutchins_wk | !unetbootin |
| 16:56.32 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 16:57.04 | RandomSerb | I actually wanna create bootable drive with windows on it |
| 16:57.15 | RandomSerb | I guess what dpkg says isn't related |
| 16:57.41 | jhutchins_wk | RandomSerb: You can just use dd to load a bootable iso image onto a device. |
| 16:58.11 | jhutchins_wk | RandomSerb: Or cp, or whatever copy command you like. |
| 16:58.27 | greycat | Damn it, tracker.debian.org is throwing 443 errors. |
| 16:59.00 | Primer | But with unetbootin you can manage several images |
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| 16:59.09 | Primer | whereas dd and cp afford you exactly ONE |
| 16:59.21 | jelly | RandomSerb: windows installer or a live image? |
| 16:59.33 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Confirm. |
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| 17:00.04 | jelly | installer for windows 10 can be made with WoeUSB (successor of WinUSB), also not present in Debian |
| 17:00.19 | RandomSerb | jelly, latter |
| 17:00.39 | jhutchins_wk | Primer: We mostly see problems with it mangling Debian installers from Windows. I suspect user error is the main problem, but can't prove it. |
| 17:01.10 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: fragile code in d-i is also part of the problem |
| 17:01.32 | jelly | many other distros' images survive being unebootind |
| 17:01.33 | Primer | jhutchins_wk: The main problem IMO is that there is no one stadard way of defining the image at boot. The method each distro uses to find it varies. |
| 17:01.58 | Primer | the image that contains the squashfs for the rootfs on removable media, that is |
| 17:02.05 | jelly | but none of that is relevant for the issue at hand |
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| 17:02.48 | Primer | The only experience I had with unetbootin actually working was running it from windows |
| 17:03.09 | Primer | I mean, using the windows version of it |
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| 17:04.20 | Primer | And even then, the only distro that worked out of the box was ubuntu, as it kinda has a standard for finding the squashfs. Debian live has this too, but it wasn't as robust as ubuntu's |
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| 17:22.04 | kreyren | i have cpp source that is using `#include <jdbc/cppconn/connection.h>` which is missing -> How do i get this on debian? |
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| 17:22.46 | Habbie | kreyren, use 'apt-file search' |
| 17:22.58 | Habbie | kreyren, it returns libmysqlcppconn-dev: /usr/include/cppconn/connection.h |
| 17:23.05 | Habbie | oh, jdbc |
| 17:23.11 | Habbie | i don't find that one with apt-file |
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| 17:23.20 | kreyren | Habbie, that is recommended by upstream, trying to symlink |
| 17:23.28 | Habbie | kreyren, ew |
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| 17:24.57 | jelly | judd file jdbc/cppconn/connection.h |
| 17:25.02 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 17:25.47 | dashs | GreyCat: attempted install of nscd to support pam=systemd login -- does not mount user runtime dir, fails in same way with 'Invalid Argument', works fine with users in /etc/passwd |
| 17:26.06 | jelly | kreyren: I'd go with "fix the source" instead of "pollute /usr/include" but hey |
| 17:26.27 | greycat | dashs: I had to reboot. There may be some other way of getting it to work without rebooting, but I didn't find it. |
| 17:26.41 | greycat | e.g. maybe just restarting systemd-logind |
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| 17:30.18 | kreyren | fixed the source to point to cppconn instead of jdbc/cppconn and it works, thanks for help! |
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| 18:10.53 | useretail | how can i set metric for properly? |
| 18:11.03 | useretail | *for network interface |
| 18:11.41 | greycat | are you talking about routing? |
| 18:11.52 | useretail | greycat, yes |
| 18:12.26 | greycat | there's a metric option in "ip route" |
| 18:12.49 | useretail | ok, but i'd like to have this set by debian itself |
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| 18:12.59 | tarzeau | i've created hevc movie files, but can't play them neither with mplayer nor vlc |
| 18:13.08 | tarzeau | file says it's: 1-01-20190904194451.mp4: ISO Media, MP4 Base Media v1 [IS0 14496-12:2003] |
| 18:13.23 | greycat | The ip-route(8) man page shows the option, but it has zero words of description. Just blank empty space. |
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| 18:14.38 | greycat | in any case, I suspect the Debian Way would be to add the appropriate "ip route ... metric ..." command in a post-up entry in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:15.04 | useretail | i tried to set it in /etc/network/interfaces: auto wlan1 \n iface wlan1 inet dhcp \n metric 10 |
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| 18:15.17 | greycat | you invented syntax, so obviously that fails |
| 18:15.27 | greycat | post-up ip route ... |
| 18:15.33 | useretail | yes, replace \n with newlines |
| 18:15.43 | greycat | there is no "metric" command in /e/n/i |
| 18:15.51 | greycat | you can't just make one up |
| 18:16.01 | useretail | oh |
| 18:16.22 | greycat | ... oh, actually there is, under the "static Method" header. Huh. |
| 18:16.48 | jelly | it's there in interfaces(5) on stretch |
| 18:16.53 | greycat | Well, maybe that works, maybe it does not. Who knows. It's not like there's any documentation for "metric" in ip-route(8). |
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| 18:17.12 | useretail | ok. so above config results that card is not available at all |
| 18:17.41 | greycat | Then try it my way. |
| 18:17.53 | useretail | it appears under ifconfig, but when i put it up, it doesn |
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| 18:17.58 | useretail | *doesn't work at all |
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| 18:18.09 | greycat | route(8) warns that metric is DIFFERENT in iproute2 |
| 18:18.34 | greycat | and then ip-route(8) which is iproute2 DOES NOT DOCUMENT IT AT ALL AS I KEEP SAYING OVER AND OVER |
| 18:19.42 | useretail | i have no problem setting post-up, but are there other ways? |
| 18:19.48 | greycat | I can't even find a way to get ip route to print the metric field. |
| 18:20.05 | useretail | greycat, sudo route -n |
| 18:20.12 | greycat | THAT IS NOT ip route |
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| 18:20.45 | useretail | sudo ip route list |
| 18:21.06 | greycat | Looks the same to me, with and without sudo. |
| 18:21.20 | greycat | Do you actually see metric in yours? I don't. |
| 18:21.47 | useretail | yes, at the end of the line: metric 600 |
| 18:22.06 | greycat | Then it seems it only shows the metric if it's non-default. |
| 18:22.13 | useretail | uses Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) |
| 18:22.24 | greycat | wooledg:~$ sudo ip route list |
| 18:22.24 | greycat | default via 10.76.172.1 dev eno1 |
| 18:22.24 | greycat | 10.76.172.0/23 dev eno1 proto kernel scope link src 10.76.172.97 |
| 18:22.31 | jelly | perhaps there's a more computer-friendly output format? |
| 18:23.04 | greycat | perhaps there's a man page that... no, not a chance. this is iproute2. no friendly or useful man page. |
| 18:23.35 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 18:24.57 | useretail | my ethernet has metric 100, but it's not connected to internet. and when i connect wlan is sets it's metric 600 |
| 18:25.00 | greycat | the man page doesn't even match the output of "ip route help" |
| 18:25.18 | greycat | "ip route help" shows something called "showdump". Attempting to use showdump just gets me yelled at. showdump is not in the man page. |
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| 18:27.40 | useretail | i'm getting Can't restore route dump from a terminal |
| 18:27.48 | greycat | Same. |
| 18:28.27 | greycat | So, the man page is useless, the "help" output is useless... |
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| 18:30.17 | useretail | ok, it's not what we think, it's for restoring from a dump |
| 18:30.40 | useretail | https://fossies.org/linux/iproute2/ip/iproute.c:2195 |
| 18:30.47 | greycat | what the hell is a dump and how do you get one... oh, I'll look in the man page ... hey, why is it not in the man page |
| 18:31.08 | tarzeau | ROFL |
| 18:31.50 | useretail | tarzeau, maybe you have some ideas how to set metric properly? |
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| 18:32.31 | tarzeau | no i don't. but i know where's the best chipsong music, and i can tell you with what software you can play .mod .xm .hvl .kt .ahx .btm .it .s3m :) |
| 18:32.52 | tarzeau | and i can even tell you the packages that you can use to make your own tracked music |
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| 18:33.47 | tarzeau | besides, i figured how to setup motion! i can record hevc movies, which i can't replay. haha! |
| 18:35.35 | greycat | wooledg:~$ ip route save | ip route showdump |
| 18:35.35 | greycat | default via 10.76.172.1 dev eno1 |
| 18:35.35 | greycat | 10.76.172.0/23 dev eno1 proto kernel scope link src 10.76.172.97 |
| 18:35.41 | greycat | ... well, THAT didn't help much. |
| 18:36.33 | useretail | there must be proper way to set the metric |
| 18:36.42 | tarzeau | if a gui app creates a window, that window should be movable independant of the main other window. i wonder who came up with the idea to let the main window move with the sub window. braindead! QT5! |
| 18:36.49 | greycat | I'm still trying to find a way to get it to fucking PRINT the metric |
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| 18:37.11 | tarzeau | route print doesn't? |
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| 18:37.28 | tarzeau | i've been using route print and/or netstat -nr |
| 18:37.42 | greycat | so in other words, the only usable tools are the deprecated ones |
| 18:38.04 | tarzeau | how come i'm not suprised |
| 18:40.19 | greycat | at lines 872-874 it prints "metric %u " if tb[RTA_PRIORITY] is nonzero, and filter.metricmask is not -1 |
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| 18:41.21 | useretail | maybe you have only one interface? |
| 18:41.48 | greycat | Yes, correct... maybe I should check some of the servers. |
| 18:42.22 | greycat | http://paste.debian.net/plain/1098804 |
| 18:43.03 | useretail | no idea, maybe you have custom kernel |
| 18:43.09 | greycat | in any case, it's really clear from line 872 that it only prints the metric if the metric is nonzero |
| 18:43.18 | greycat | no, it's a standard kernel. line 872. it has to be nonzero. |
| 18:43.51 | useretail | how kernel sets metrics? |
| 18:43.54 | greycat | http://paste.debian.net/plain/1098805 |
| 18:43.55 | useretail | are there some rules? |
| 18:44.39 | useretail | yes, 0 = default for ipv4, 1 is for ipv6 |
| 18:45.50 | useretail | runs 4.19.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.37-5+deb10u2 |
| 18:46.39 | greycat | The kernel isn't at issue here. You asked how to set the "metric", whatever that is, in your interfaces file. I told you how to do it the Debian Way. Everything else has been investigation and sorrow. |
| 18:47.06 | useretail | you mean post-up/ |
| 18:47.08 | useretail | ? |
| 18:47.10 | greycat | Yes. |
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| 18:53.00 | useretail | ok, i figured out why it was failing |
| 18:53.11 | useretail | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html |
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| 18:53.15 | useretail | 5.7.2. The ifmetric package |
| 18:53.51 | useretail | package ifmetric was missing, so metric option was failing |
| 18:54.15 | greycat | ,info ifmetric |
| 18:54.17 | judd | Package ifmetric (net, optional) in buster/amd64: Set routing metrics for a network interface. Version: 0.3-5; Size: 10.6k; Installed: 37k; Homepage: http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/ifmetric/ |
| 18:54.25 | greycat | what the *hell* |
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| 18:55.07 | useretail | any thought? |
| 18:55.13 | useretail | *thoughts |
| 18:55.16 | greycat | So many. |
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| 18:55.32 | greycat | Oh wait. This just gets BETTER. |
| 18:55.36 | greycat | AUTHOR |
| 18:55.36 | greycat | ifmetric was written by Lennart Poettering <mzvszrgevp (at) 0pointer (dot) de>. |
| 18:55.38 | tarzeau | i've read somewhere systemd going to replace postfix main process |
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| 18:58.10 | useretail | is going to reboot to see if his findings are really true. will be back asap |
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| 19:06.20 | useretail | it wasn't true |
| 19:06.27 | greycat | What wasn't? |
| 19:06.48 | useretail | that ifmetric is required to set metric |
| 19:07.06 | greycat | It wasn't required woulda worked anyway, or it didn't work? |
| 19:07.41 | useretail | it didn |
| 19:07.43 | useretail | t |
| 19:07.50 | useretail | but using ifconfig i discovered something strange: wlan1:avahi: flags=4099<UP,BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 |
| 19:07.59 | useretail | avahi was added |
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| 19:08.10 | useretail | why? |
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| 19:13.58 | karlpinc | useretail: It seems to get installed if you install anything more than the default. I always uninstall it. Some people like how it autodiscovers stuff on the LAN. |
| 19:14.45 | greycat | I have avahi running here (because cups) but it didn't create an old-style interface alias name. |
| 19:15.09 | greycat | So I believe the question was "why did avahi create an interface alias?" |
| 19:15.53 | tarzeau | greycat: cat /usr/share/doc/avahi-daemon/copyright |grep -i lenn |
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| 19:25.29 | at0m | tarzeau: or grep $arg $file directly ;) |
| 19:25.58 | at0m | grep -i lenn /usr/share/doc/avahi-daemon/copyright |
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| 19:32.06 | useretail | finally solved it using nmcli |
| 19:32.22 | earend1 | when trying to start the x server i get this error: no screens found. before you ask for log files, is there some generic step i may have skipped or configuration tool i need to run? Xorg -configure spits out a config, wich if used gets me the same error |
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| 19:32.42 | greycat | You solved it by scrapping /e/n/i and using N-M? |
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| 19:33.10 | greycat | for whatever definition of "solved" we're using now, since you claimed earlier that post-up ip route worked perfectly well, you just didn't *like* it |
| 19:33.33 | useretail | $ nmcli connection |
| 19:33.37 | useretail | $ nmcli connection modify uuid 61416695-8699-422b-b831-883750c1dc6e ipv4.route-metric 50 |
| 19:33.42 | useretail | $ nmcli connection modify uuid 61416695-8699-422b-b831-883750c1dc6e ipv6.route-metric 50 |
| 19:34.11 | jhutchins_wk | earend1: You shouldn't need to have an Xorg.cfg file for normal configuration, X scans and auto configures at startup. |
| 19:34.30 | jhutchins_wk | No screens found... We've seen that here recently. |
| 19:34.30 | earend1 | greycat: are you using the new UEFI secure boot feature |
| 19:34.46 | jhutchins_wk | earend1: How are you trying to start it? |
| 19:34.57 | useretail | greycat, maybe post-up method worked, but network manager couldn't see it |
| 19:35.20 | greycat | well of course not... N-M does not manage interfaces that are managed by /e/n/i |
| 19:35.25 | greycat | that's the coexistence feature |
| 19:35.25 | earend1 | jhutchins_wk: yup. without any config i get the same error in the logs. its always missing a display or something |
| 19:35.53 | earend1 | jhutchins_wk: i tried lightdm .. and startx |
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| 19:36.28 | useretail | greycat, when i add to interfaces it also takes about 1.5 minutes to raise network during boot |
| 19:36.38 | somiaj | earend1: what video card and driver are you using? |
| 19:36.41 | earend1 | jhutchins_wk: would startx start a session and all stuff required to run a wm? |
| 19:36.44 | greycat | so it was *never* in /e/n/i in the FIRST PLACE?! |
| 19:36.54 | useretail | probably because of dhcp |
| 19:37.01 | greycat | *headdesk* |
| 19:37.07 | useretail | no idea |
| 19:37.22 | earend1 | somiaj: radeon hd .. did run with and without proprietart drivers on stretch |
| 19:38.15 | somiaj | earend1: well I would check some things, first see if the radeon or amdgpu module is loaded, 'lsmod | grep radeon' and 'lsmod | grep amdgpu' |
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| 19:38.32 | earend1 | not sure if its eventually efi that blacklists unsigned drivers eventually |
| 19:38.34 | somiaj | also it could be a firmware issue, many amd/radeon cards require non-free firmware in the firmware-amd-graphics package |
| 19:38.47 | earend1 | somiaj: gets listed |
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| 19:38.53 | somiaj | so the radeon driver is loaded? |
| 19:39.16 | somiaj | okay, do you have the non-free firmware for amd cards installed? |
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| 19:39.29 | earend1 | i get a few lines with amd and vga. it doesnt say if its loaded nor claim any errorrs |
| 19:39.32 | somiaj | things you can check next is 'dmesg | grep -i radeon' see if your kernel gives you any errors/warnings baout your card. |
| 19:39.33 | useretail | greycat, it was added. but like i said, 1. boot was slow; 2. avahi appeared; 3. interface wasn't visible in network manager |
| 19:40.00 | somiaj | earend1: the next thing you can check is your Xorg.0.log file (in either /var/log or $HOME/.local/share/xorg depending on if you used startx or a displaymanager |
| 19:40.27 | earend1 | somiaj: so i definitely need to setup a DISPLAY env variable or so? |
| 19:40.33 | useretail | i have no problems using your method but it brings only more issues (at least for wlan) |
| 19:41.10 | earend1 | somiaj: if so.. how does it look like.. DISPLAY=0 .. or DISPLAY=:0 ? |
| 19:41.50 | somiaj | no |
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| 19:41.54 | somiaj | startx should setup everything for you |
| 19:42.11 | earend1 | hm |
| 19:42.24 | earend1 | ok |
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| 19:44.28 | earend1 | somiaj: i will try to reinstsall. will make it install without any 'desktop system'.. what must i install to have a minimal desktop system then manually. let's say openbox. ... would apt i install openbox setup all i need to run startx? |
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| 19:45.13 | earend1 | in some optimal case |
| 19:45.25 | greycat | earend1: apt install xorg openbox xterm; and then any firmware that's needed, etc. |
| 19:45.42 | earend1 | okay .. thanks. |
| 19:46.06 | greycat | xorg depends on xinit which has the startx command |
| 19:46.42 | earend1 | but apt will install it for me, by default right? *depends |
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| 19:46.51 | earend1 | when installing xorg |
| 19:47.23 | somiaj | earend1: Unsure that this will fix the issue you are having with the kernel/xorg/your card, but the way I do it is minimial install, then install xserver-xorg package (which pulls in all of xorg) |
| 19:47.31 | somiaj | you then also need to install the WM of choice. |
| 19:47.39 | earend1 | i remember you chose your words with quite some precision. i assume depending* is significant here |
| 19:47.58 | somiaj | earend1: oh you probably also need xserver-xorg-core too |
| 19:48.13 | greycat | somiaj: "xorg openbox xterm" ought to cover the essentials |
| 19:48.34 | somiaj | ahh yea, I seem to install the server/client using those sepearate meta packages, forgot about xorg |
| 19:48.43 | tarzeau | my favourites are wmaker and terminal.app or amiwm :) |
| 19:48.49 | earend1 | so xorg not xserver-xorg |
| 19:48.55 | earend1 | ok |
| 19:48.59 | earend1 | thanks. |
| 19:49.03 | greycat | xorg depends on xserver-xorg as well as xinit, xfonts-*, ... oh it even has xterm so I didn't need to add that one. |
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| 19:49.44 | earend1 | alright. but openbox should be specified. and i will not need lightdm or anything right? |
| 19:50.15 | greycat | right |
| 19:50.19 | earend1 | ok |
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| 19:52.08 | jhutchins_wk | earend1: It will pull in openbox's preferred dm automatically. |
| 19:52.39 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: what are you smoking? |
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| 19:53.10 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Won't it? |
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| 19:53.47 | greycat | wooledg:~$ apt-cache show openbox | grep dm |
| 19:53.48 | greycat | wooledg:~$ |
| 19:53.58 | jhutchins_wk | Hm. |
| 19:54.01 | greycat | It's a window manager, not a Desktop Environment. |
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| 19:59.39 | jhutchins_wk | Ah. The task-<desktop>-desktop and some of the desktops do pull it in. |
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| 20:00.52 | greycat | If you avoid task-* and all that nonsense, the traditional way to get a working X11 system is to install xorg, your WM of choice, and your terminal of choice (or let it pick xterm for you). |
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| 20:01.22 | greycat | Then you just login on the console, and run startx, fix whatever doesn't work (firmware, drivers), run startx again, etc., repeat until it works. |
| 20:01.26 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: I've always been a little hazy about which components of a GUI provided which functions. |
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| 20:02.08 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Do you run startx as a user or as root? |
| 20:02.13 | greycat | As user. |
| 20:02.30 | greycat | wooledg 6003 5649 0 Aug26 tty1 00:00:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/startx |
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| 20:03.34 | jhutchins_wk | Ok. I used to start it as root, seems like maybe before DMs became common. These days I just go with whatever the default is in the installer, with the exception of picking xfce instead of gnome. |
| 20:04.13 | greycat | Starting it as root was *never* correct. |
| 20:04.58 | jhutchins_wk | It pulls the user from whoever launches it rather than asking for a login, right? |
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| 20:05.19 | greycat | Yes. It's a shell command. You type it at the shell prompt. |
| 20:05.50 | jhutchins_wk | (Well, it COULD be root's shell... Shouldn't but could.) |
| 20:06.06 | jhutchins_wk | I ran Linux for years before I finally upgraded my system so it could run X. |
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| 20:13.08 | earend1 | btw. you have preference for installing with root user "allowed" making it ask for a user without privileges and also not installing sudo.. or do you install it with a user incl. sudo for elevation |
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| 20:15.14 | velix | greycat: Sorry, I've ignored your warning and I've setup a chroot for a ssh user. It's unbelieveable great. |
| 20:15.18 | karlpinc | Myself, I like to use "su -" not sudo. Because I like having to have 2 passwords to get to root. But that only works when there's a single (or very few) people who need root. |
| 20:15.28 | velix | greycat: When he logs in by ssh or scp, he gets locked into the full powered debian chroot |
| 20:15.57 | velix | greycat: I'll wrap it into a namespacer later, so "ps" doesn't show root stuff. |
| 20:15.57 | karlpinc | velix: Just don't think you've got security with that setup. |
| 20:16.05 | velix | karlpinc: Nah, didn't want that. |
| 20:16.14 | greycat | so either you have an ssh login that can do literally nothing because there are no commands available (except possibly shell builtins, if somehow they manage to be able to run even a shell), or you've created a mini-Debian installation in a subdirectory so that you can trap users in that mini-Debian instead of letting them cavort and frolick in the real system |
| 20:16.23 | velix | karlpinc: Just wanted to lock our frontend developer from the other parts of the server. |
| 20:16.38 | greycat | either way I do not see the *point* |
| 20:17.03 | velix | karlpinc: Now he can do node and git stuff without messing with the real system ;) |
| 20:17.05 | earend1 | i am not sure why the installer chose to ask for "allowing" a root user login. as if the sudo option would be somehow the more approved concept |
| 20:17.13 | karlpinc | velix: If they try they can break the chroot. |
| 20:17.29 | greycat | what secrets in the real system are you trying to hide from users trapped in the chroot, and why would you let users log into the system that HAS such secrets that you need to hide? |
| 20:17.35 | karlpinc | earend1: Sudo is popular because it discourages people from being root. |
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| 20:17.45 | greycat | why wouldn't you put the secrets on a DIFFERENT system entirely? |
| 20:18.46 | velix | karlpinc: then he will get unemployed :-) |
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| 20:19.15 | greycat | so velix = PHB |
| 20:19.17 | jhutchins_wk | karlpinc: That's all I use it for, becoming root. |
| 20:19.18 | greycat | lovely |
| 20:19.24 | velix | greycat: PHB? |
| 20:19.32 | greycat | !phb |
| 20:19.33 | dpkg | i guess phb is pointy-haired boss (from dilbert) |
| 20:19.34 | velix | phantastic hobbit boots ? |
| 20:19.35 | Habbie | pointy haired boss, a Dilbert character |
| 20:19.47 | earend1 | karlpinc: so you prefer not to use sudo? |
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| 20:20.13 | earend1 | (understanding its better to run with elevated privliges\0 |
| 20:20.21 | greycat | you intend to inflict your pointless and childish notions of "security" on your intellectual superiors, all to assuage your ego, and you will punish them savagely if they resist |
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| 20:20.46 | karlpinc | earend1: There's a place for sudo, but mostly I don't use it. |
| 20:20.50 | jhutchins_wk | I have configured it to grant access to specific commands. The logging is a nice feature. |
| 20:21.00 | velix | greycat: oh yeah, I've created a mini debian installation (debootstrap minbase) |
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| 20:21.16 | velix | I was too lazy to do all the ldd stuff for node, git etc. |
| 20:21.42 | velix | karlpinc: Do you have any documents on how to break out of a chroot? I'm really curious. |
| 20:21.54 | somiaj | I like sudo as a 'think before you run as root' layer, but my use for it doesn't take adavntage of its power. |
| 20:21.54 | greycat | velix: the man page chroot(2) has one |
| 20:21.55 | earend1 | alright. yeah. i noticed it has more options. like what environment to use or even specify the privileges explicitly. stuff i couldnt configure by now anyways. |
| 20:22.22 | greycat | velix: yes, the LINUX DEVELOPERS laugh at chroot so hard that they DOCUMENTED HOW TO BREAK IT in the actual man page. |
| 20:22.54 | somiaj | well I don't think it was ever inteneded to be a jail, but it works great if you aren't worried about people breaking out |
| 20:22.55 | velix | greycat: Thanks. |
| 20:23.17 | velix | But for real, it's not about security. More "tenant handling" ;) |
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| 20:23.41 | velix | I don't like Debian for allowing users to list other user's home directory. |
| 20:23.42 | greycat | I don't even want to guess what the winking smiley and scare quotes mean. |
| 20:23.56 | Habbie | velix, i'm surprised nobody has brought up Docker for your 'problem' |
| 20:23.56 | greycat | velix: then change the permissions. |
| 20:23.57 | velix | greycat: I wanted to sign sympathy. |
| 20:24.00 | earend1 | lol |
| 20:24.05 | greycat | velix: you signed MALICE |
| 20:24.07 | velix | Habbie: I'm using rootless podman. |
| 20:24.12 | Habbie | velix, allowing users to list or not list things is a simple matter of permissions |
| 20:24.18 | velix | greycat: MALICE? Who the f*** is MALICE ? |
| 20:24.19 | Habbie | velix, ah, then i have nothing to add :) |
| 20:24.25 | somiaj | you have to be root ot break out of the chroot, so they can be used, they just don't provide any addiitional security from local privlage escliation. |
| 20:24.30 | greycat | I'm... I'm just absolutely disgusted, and thoroughly DONE with this. *plonk* |
| 20:24.52 | velix | somiaj: My user isn't root, but the chroot is run as root. I think, you can run it as non-proviliged user, too? |
| 20:25.34 | somiaj | velix: I'm talking more about the applications run inside the chroot, yes you have to be root to chroot (unless you use somehing like schroot), but once inside the chroot, you can become another user and run stuff inside it as non-root |
| 20:25.46 | earend1 | i hope u cant run a vm without root. |
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| 20:26.11 | somiaj | my comment was if running some service inside a chroot, in order for that service to break out of the chroot, it first needs to become root, so needs a local privlage escilation exploit for that. |
| 20:28.04 | velix | somiaj: isn't it the same problem as docker? When the chroot is started as root (like the docker service), you can get priviliged rights. |
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| 20:28.21 | velix | somiaj: But when the chroot is run as non-root, this shouldn't be possible at all. |
| 20:29.02 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. How do I get a list of every sans-serif font on my system? |
| 20:29.22 | earend1 | no clue how that jailing works. it seems a two sided sword. it seems jailed parts of the system can't be monitored with the usual tools .. like netstat for instance. i asked recently how to do it. the best guess i got here was to scan the machine from a remote system. (for open ports it was) |
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| 20:29.44 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: fc-list |
| 20:30.00 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: so fc-list | grep -i sans should do it |
| 20:30.03 | hhmmm | surely you can manage this with a suitable group, group writes in web directories and permissions to use certain commands for that group in sudoers |
| 20:30.15 | hhmmm | erm, the previous problem |
| 20:32.02 | karlpinc | !upg |
| 20:32.03 | dpkg | [user private groups] a system configuration idiom which allows users to collaborate by granting shared access to a directory and its content. Access is controlled by associating each collaborative project team with a Un*x group and then granting Un*x group membership to the userids of the designated project members. http://wiki.debian.org/UserPrivateGroups |
| 20:32.21 | karlpinc | Only the wiki page has been somewhat munged over time. |
| 20:32.39 | karlpinc | RH has some ancient articles, or just google the idiom. |
| 20:33.08 | greycat | That's the thing that made Debian decide to "make a group for every user", some time around 20 years ago, right? |
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| 20:35.07 | velix | karlpinc: will have a look |
| 20:35.30 | karlpinc | greycat: Right. |
| 20:35.44 | greycat | My god, the "explanations" on this page are just as obtuse now as they were 20 years ago. |
| 20:35.50 | velix | karlpinc: I've used ACLs for this in the past |
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| 20:36.33 | karlpinc | greycat: Like I said, the page got munged. IIRC the top google hit, some years back, was good. |
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| 20:36.48 | hhmmm | think i meant a system group |
| 20:36.56 | greycat | Ah, I see your name all over the page history... |
| 20:37.07 | karlpinc | greycat: I wrote it, but haven't maintained it. |
| 20:37.33 | karlpinc | greycat: Hard to say now how good a job I did. |
| 20:38.32 | karlpinc | The concept is dirt simple: Each user gets a unique primary group, umask is 0002, and shared directories are chmod g=rwxs. |
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| 20:39.05 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, thank you. I wish I could see samples of those fonts. |
| 20:39.21 | greycat | That's the part that's missing from the page. "Here's how it worked before. Here's how it works now, and why we made this change." |
| 20:39.22 | karlpinc | Then, if you want to share, make a group and chgrp the shared dir. Anybody in the group can do whatever in the directory. |
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| 20:46.54 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: yea, I've used gimps or gtk3 apps font select, it helps see them |
| 20:47.05 | somiaj | but in that case I don't know to quickly parse it to only give say Sans fonts |
| 20:48.04 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, it is hard finding the widest sans-serif font on my system. |
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| 20:50.57 | jhutchins_wk | There used to be some decent (gui) font managers in Linux. |
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| 20:51.51 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins_wk, I'm looking at font-manager right now. |
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| 20:53.02 | jhutchins_wk | Lady_Aleena: Some font managers have more features than others. |
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| 20:54.00 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins_wk, I guess I went with the one that was the easiest to find in the package manager. |
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| 20:59.48 | velix | karlpinc: Just curious, IS there a secure way to lock a ssh user into something? |
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| 21:06.04 | velix | maybe I should ask in ##security or ##linux |
| 21:06.05 | velix | Sorry |
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| 21:08.23 | somiaj | velix: https://www.tecmint.com/restrict-ssh-user-to-directory-using-chrooted-jail/ -- something like that does work. Note if the user can get root permissions they can break out |
| 21:08.43 | SerajewelKS | it would be better to restrict them to a container |
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| 21:09.09 | velix | somiaj: Yeah. that's the hardcore style. It's pretty hard to administrate, but I've done it before. |
| 21:09.10 | somiaj | there are other ways to restrict what users see (look up restriced shells) as well, but unless you, as SerajewelKS points out, restrict them to a container/vm, you don't have that good of protection |
| 21:09.44 | velix | somiaj & SerajewelKS: but then I'd need to run a second sshd on another port for this specific user |
| 21:09.52 | SerajewelKS | chroot provides _no_ security if there is a local privilege escalation vulnerability. chroot is 100% ineffective against root, so if the user can find a way to escalate to root, the chroot does nothing. |
| 21:11.15 | somiaj | and though you would think local privlage escilation bugs should have been fixed, the ones that are local only sometimes are the slowest to be fixed |
| 21:11.15 | SerajewelKS | velix: in theory you can leverage sshd_config's ForceCommand to force them into a container, but i have no practical experience doing that |
| 21:12.24 | SerajewelKS | velix: something like: ForceCommand exec docker $image /bin/bash |
| 21:12.39 | SerajewelKS | assuming you give the user rights to exec inside that image, and /bin/bash is the path to a shell inside |
| 21:12.54 | velix | SerajewelKS: I'm normally using rootless space in userspace, so no root at all |
| 21:12.56 | somiaj | velix: https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/The-Restricted-Shell.html -- something like that is probably as good as a chroot, meaning it restricts, but isn't that much of a barrier if someone is trying to break their restrictions. |
| 21:13.10 | velix | yeah, got it. just was curioous |
| 21:13.11 | velix | -o |
| 21:13.12 | SerajewelKS | velix: i have no idea what "rootless space" means |
| 21:13.24 | velix | SerajewelKS: rootless podman ;) |
| 21:14.23 | velix | SerajewelKS: https://podman.io/whatis.html |
| 21:14.36 | SerajewelKS | velix: okay fine, so substitute whatever command for podman |
| 21:14.55 | velix | SerajewelKS: it shares the same command line with docker. So it's similar :D |
| 21:15.04 | velix | SerajewelKS: I'll play with it, thanks. |
| 21:15.07 | SerajewelKS | np |
| 21:15.17 | velix | But actually, I trust our frontend developer not trying to mess with the main server. |
| 21:15.18 | SerajewelKS | note you probably want this inside a Match block in sshd_config |
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| 21:15.33 | velix | I just wanted to give him a clean non-root environment for deploying |
| 21:16.03 | SerajewelKS | e.g. "Match User bob" or "Match Group restricted" |
| 21:16.46 | SerajewelKS | note that ForceCommand ignores the ssh command. so he won't be able to do 'ssh yourserver foobar' to run 'foobar' because ForceCommand supercedes that |
| 21:16.48 | somiaj | how simple is their deplyoment, you could give the acces to scp only (no shell access) and access to only run the commands they need via ssh, so they never actually login to a shell on the box, but can still copy files to it, and run set commands. |
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| 21:17.20 | SerajewelKS | somiaj: "no shell" and "run the commands they need via ssh" are mutually exclusive :P |
| 21:17.39 | velix | Oh, OpenSSH has ChrootDirectory ... |
| 21:17.53 | velix | just curious ;) |
| 21:17.57 | SerajewelKS | velix: yes it does, and as we've already pointed out ad nauseum, chroots are not an effectively security measure |
| 21:18.03 | SerajewelKS | effective* |
| 21:18.03 | velix | yeah yeah ;) |
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| 21:18.15 | somiaj | SerajewelKS: then how would you describe users being able to 'ssh host foobar' but not actually get a login shell? |
| 21:18.19 | velix | But what about systemd's sandboxing? maybe that's secure? |
| 21:18.30 | SerajewelKS | somiaj: sshd runs `$SHELL -c foobar` |
| 21:18.43 | SerajewelKS | somiaj: there's still a shell at play |
| 21:18.58 | SerajewelKS | velix: maybe. i know even less about that. good luck. :P |
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| 21:19.20 | velix | SerajewelKS: no problem, but I like the container idea |
| 21:19.26 | somiaj | yea, maybe I sohlud have specified you can prevent login shells, but use interactive ones via ssh and you can even restrict what commands they are allowed to run this way |
| 21:19.52 | somiaj | velix: my guess is they are as secure as most restrictive shells/chroots. If someone gets root privlage escilation, all security is lost |
| 21:20.08 | somiaj | unlike using a container, at least iff they get root on the container, they can't get to the rest of the system. |
| 21:20.23 | SerajewelKS | or we hope they can't get to the rest of the system, anyway :) |
| 21:20.50 | SerajewelKS | wasn't there a docker vuln last year that allowed a non-root user in any container to run commands as root outside the container? |
| 21:20.53 | velix | somiaj: I think, that's a problem in docker, since the central service in running as root. |
| 21:20.56 | velix | yeah |
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| 21:22.27 | somiaj | velix: though the root inside the container is not the same as the root on the host, and I thought docker is in theory not escapable even if you are root on the inside |
| 21:22.49 | velix | https://rootlesscontaine.rs/ :-) |
| 21:23.00 | velix | They're explaining several possible problems. |
| 21:23.39 | SerajewelKS | somiaj: assuming no vulnerabilities, that's the goal, yes |
| 21:23.58 | velix | Docker is trying to do the same thing, Podman is able to do in modern kernels: https://medium.com/@tonistiigi/experimenting-with-rootless-docker-416c9ad8c0d6 |
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| 21:24.36 | velix | They're trying to move dockerd to user instead of root |
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| 23:12.12 | Lady_Aleena | Sanity check needed: I opened MenuLibre to futz around with my applications menu. MenuLibre listed several .desktop files with issues. Two of those files are in /usr/share/applications/kde4 and both try to execute programs that are not on my system. Should I clean up after kde4 and delete those two .desktop files? |
| 23:12.43 | Lady_Aleena | Sanity needed because I would have to delete them as root. |
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| 23:27.31 | nvz | Lady_Aleena: when such things happen I put on my sysadmin at, and say I'm the sysadmin, its my purview to do such things.. however you may want to figure out where they came from and why they're still there |
| 23:28.32 | nvz | Lady_Aleena: dpkg -S will tell you if anything currently installed claims them, apt-file or packages.debian.org or such can tell you what may have installed them, you can cross ref that with the apt history log and such |
| 23:28.55 | Lady_Aleena | nvs, they came from kde. I've never used them, so getting rid of the .desktop files to a program that I can't find anywhere in /usr. |
| 23:29.37 | Lady_Aleena | I did dpkg-query -l | grep <program> and nothing. |
| 23:29.52 | nvz | o.O |
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| 23:30.26 | humpled | that can happen |
| 23:30.29 | nvz | Lady_Aleena: dpkg -l <program> |
| 23:30.42 | nvz | you got way too many characters in that :P |
| 23:30.57 | Lady_Aleena | nvz, I've been using greo for no reason? *head desk* |
| 23:31.08 | nvz | and if you're out in another galaxy and someone asks where the message came from you can say "it came from earth" |
| 23:31.12 | Lady_Aleena | s/greo/grep/; |
| 23:31.16 | nvz | but when you're on earth, you say it came from NYC |
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| 23:31.42 | nvz | saying it came from KDE is not narrowing anything down, thats like a thousand packages |
| 23:32.01 | humpled | iostat for example is a command but not a part of a package name |
| 23:32.02 | nvz | but if you really don't care, then just delete em and be done with it |
| 23:32.14 | Lady_Aleena | It was something called nepomuk |
| 23:32.23 | humpled | in the .desktop file there should be an Exec= line |
| 23:32.32 | nvz | ,file nepomuk.desktop |
| 23:32.36 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 23:32.44 | nvz | ,file bin/nepomuk |
| 23:32.48 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 23:33.00 | Lady_Aleena | ,file bin/nepomukcleaner |
| 23:33.05 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 23:33.19 | Lady_Aleena | ,file bin/nepomukbackup |
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| 23:33.24 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 23:33.33 | humpled | john of nepomuk is the saint of Bohemia who drowned in the river Vltava |
| 23:33.59 | humpled | NEPOMUK is an open-source software specification that is concerned with the development of a social semantic desktop that enriches and interconnects data ... |
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| 23:34.08 | nvz | Networked Environment for Personal, Ontology-based Management of Unified Knowledge |
| 23:34.14 | nvz | @.@ |
| 23:34.33 | Lady_Aleena | nvz, when you said I was using too many characters, I take it you were talking about the grep? |
| 23:34.55 | nvz | Lady_Aleena: this is something probably leftover from stretch |
| 23:35.11 | Lady_Aleena | nvz, I've seen it since wheezy. |
| 23:35.16 | nvz | ,file nepomuk --suite stretch |
| 23:35.16 | judd | (file <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>] [--regex | --exact]) -- Returns packages that include files matching <pattern> which, by default, is interpreted as a glob (see glob(7)). If --regex is given, the pattern is treated as a extended regex (see regex(7); note not PCRE!). If --exact is given, the exact filename is required. The current stable release and amd64 are searched by default. |
| 23:35.22 | nvz | ,file nepomuk --release stretch |
| 23:35.26 | humpled | From KDE Applications 4.13 onwards, the 'Baloo' file indexing and file search framework replaces Nepomuk. |
| 23:35.27 | judd | No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 23:35.54 | Lady_Aleena | ,file nepomukbachup -- suite stretch |
| 23:35.55 | judd | (file <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>] [--regex | --exact]) -- Returns packages that include files matching <pattern> which, by default, is interpreted as a glob (see glob(7)). If --regex is given, the pattern is treated as a extended regex (see regex(7); note not PCRE!). If --exact is given, the exact filename is required. The current stable release and amd64 are searched by |
| 23:35.56 | nvz | Lady_Aleena: either way its probably cruft leftover from before an upgrade to another dist |
| 23:35.57 | judd | default. |
| 23:36.10 | humpled | If you upgraded to KDE Applications 4.13 from an earlier KDE release, you can delete $KDEHOME/share/apps/nepomuk. |
| 23:36.32 | Lady_Aleena | I don't even use KDE anymore. |
| 23:36.33 | nvz | Lady_Aleena: and the point is dpkg-query -l is same as dpkg -l so the -query isnt needed and | grep package isnt needed cause dpkg -l accepts arguments |
| 23:37.03 | Lady_Aleena | head desks. |
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| 23:37.25 | nvz | dpkg -l libc6 |
| 23:37.25 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 |
| 23:37.32 | nvz | dpkg: shaddup |
| 23:37.32 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
| 23:38.25 | humpled | so the grep would find that |
| 23:38.40 | humpled | dpkg -l libc6-amd64 |
| 23:38.40 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6-amd64 |
| 23:38.45 | humpled | huh |
| 23:39.28 | Lady_Aleena | There might be a need for a channel where we can play with the bots like we're doing now. 8) |
| 23:40.30 | Lady_Aleena | And I've been querying and grepping for no reason all this time! |
| 23:40.52 | humpled | i think sometimes there is a reason |
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| 23:41.25 | humpled | did you try the with and without grep on libc6 on your machine? |
| 23:41.35 | nvz | Lady_Aleena: there is one |
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| 23:41.50 | nvz | Lady_Aleena: its like talking to a small child with you sometimes.. the amazement you have with things :D |
| 23:41.51 | Lady_Aleena | The only thing grep gives me is highlighted text for what I want. |
| 23:42.46 | nvz | hmm, would seem judd isn't in #debian-bots |
| 23:42.52 | Lady_Aleena | nvz, I've only recently decided to start learning how to really use things on the command line. |
| 23:43.20 | nvz | Lady_Aleena: yes well your proficiency in perl and your lack of proficiency in other things baffles me |
| 23:43.46 | Lady_Aleena | nvz, I am not THAT proficient with perl according to some. |
| 23:44.50 | Lady_Aleena | I still take the long way around to get what I want with perl probably. |
| 23:44.59 | Lady_Aleena | Just like with linux. |
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| 23:45.29 | nvz | yeah well I've been using computer for like 30 years now.. many different platforms, commandline on all of them.. bash on linux for nearly 20 now.. and my use of perl has been limited to occasional oneliner expressions and slight changes to irssi scripts |
| 23:45.53 | nvz | I just dont see how you could learn a language like perl without a certain degree of cli knowledge |
| 23:46.15 | Lady_Aleena | I started writing perl when I was still on Windows XP, and most of my work with perl is to make things work in a browser. |
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| 23:48.02 | nvz | the idea of coding anything on windows has always just disgusted me :P |
| 23:48.21 | nvz | its not very programmer friendly at all |
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| 23:48.47 | Lady_Aleena | So, working on the command line wasn't a priority for me. But now I am working on the command line more often, I am trying to learn how to use it better than I have before without having to open a gui program. For example, I was trying to move files around my $HOME, and I kept messing it up. I had to open Dolphin (a gui file manager) to fix my mistakes on the command line. I am still upset that I can't get such simple commands as mv to |
| 23:48.47 | Lady_Aleena | work properly. |
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| 23:49.34 | Lady_Aleena | goes afk for a few minutes to fold laundry. |
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| 23:52.09 | nvz | yeah well mv is one of those commands like rm you dont want to be playing around with until you got the hang of simpler things like cp |
| 23:52.13 | nvz | heh |
| 23:52.30 | annadane | alias mv="mv -i" alias rm="rm -i" |
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| 23:53.14 | annadane | not that i use those, i'm just careful :P |
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| 23:58.41 | Lady_Aleena | annadane, already done. |
| 23:58.43 | swift110 | hey all |
| 23:59.13 | swift110 | so with regards debian netinstall what does that entail? |
| 23:59.33 | Lady_Aleena | So, yes, I will probably be amazed at a lot of things for a while to come. |