| 00:00.00 | brutser | nvz: true lol, but at same time i try to understand how the fde is done without trusting too much on an installer |
| 00:00.12 | brutser | + i have more control when doing it manually |
| 00:00.30 | nvz | brutser: well you see where that landed you :P |
| 00:00.47 | brutser | nvz: yea, but that's where the learning curve starts :) |
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| 00:00.54 | brutser | so i need to chroot into the system and configure /etc/crypttab? |
| 00:01.09 | brutser | i never thought the installer would do all that, but i guess i was wrong :) |
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| 00:01.31 | nvz | I didn't require anything fancy.. I just have a laptop with a 120gb ssd and I just let the partitioner setup encrypted lvm with auto partition.. made me a /boot then and encrypted lvm with root and swap.. works fine for me |
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| 00:02.17 | brutser | nvz: yea, i am testing this in qemu, just to learn really |
| 00:02.37 | nvz | brutser: without /etc/crypttab cryptsetup has no way of knowing what things are needing to be mapped so fstab can use them |
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| 00:03.44 | brutser | ok, i thought by selecting the logical volumes in the partitioning part, the debian installer would take care of all that, but i guess that's only when you let the installer do the encryption too |
| 00:03.53 | nvz | brutser: I'm guessing you grasp the basics that a crypt container is just indeciperable garbage to a system.. that cryptsetup opens the container exposing it through the dm to /dev/mapper/mycrypt or such, and that is done in crypttab, then fstab can mount /dev/mapper/mycrypt |
| 00:04.12 | brutser | yes |
| 00:05.23 | brutser | i guess only fstab is configured by the installer when selecting the logical volumes, but cryttab must be done manually this way |
| 00:05.45 | brutser | well it's time to find out :) |
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| 00:06.33 | nvz | well how the heck do you expect it to know you manually did a cryptsetup? :P |
| 00:07.13 | brutser | nvz: yes true |
| 00:08.09 | nvz | writes the cagey-bee installer that spies on brutser to accomodate things he does in secret |
| 00:08.27 | brutser | :P |
| 00:09.06 | brutser | nvz: by the way, if you do let debian installer do all the work, or if you do it manually the good way, always when you start it still complain about not finding the volume groups right? and then it prompt for passphrase, at least i noticed this |
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| 00:09.23 | nvz | brutser: does on my system |
| 00:10.05 | nvz | brutser: which I find some of that early startup messages rather curious.. idk why they haven't addressed that.. because it also says "resuming from suspend" every boot regardless if it was suspended or not |
| 00:10.22 | brutser | nvz: yes !! here too |
| 00:10.56 | nvz | it would make more sense if it were to just say "checking for suspend state..." or something |
| 00:10.57 | brutser | it's little confusing, but i guess i can live with it |
| 00:11.04 | brutser | yea |
| 00:11.48 | brutser | i just did basic debian install lvm+luks with nothing special and after reboot, it says cannot find or open vg_root, then it prompt for passphrase and continue |
| 00:12.32 | nvz | but I been using debian a long time and in my experience developers can be crabby.. you need only watch Linus Tovalds to know this.. heh.. most things I suggest they just tell me to STFU anyhow |
| 00:13.11 | brutser | :) |
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| 00:13.26 | nvz | I looked at an old bug report I'd filed about wicd not working when network-manager was installed.. and the maintainer just griped about adding it as a conflicts and flat out said they were never going to do it |
| 00:13.35 | brutser | well you helped me here, which is also a rara occasion these days on irc :) |
| 00:13.38 | nvz | as though it were something complicated or unreasonable |
| 00:14.26 | brutser | nvz: yea, but there are good ones out there, i am in contact with a guy who work on coreboot and he is so super friendly and always listening and explaining |
| 00:15.03 | brutser | i always feel ashamed when i get an e-mail from him, because it's so long and so detailed, that i feel obligated to write him at least the same amount back :) |
| 00:15.17 | brutser | lol, to a point that it gets annoying lol |
| 00:15.37 | brutser | anyway, im off testing again |
| 00:15.40 | nvz | yeah they are rare.. |
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| 00:16.32 | nvz | I can count on one hand the number of DD/DM that have been easy going with fingers to spare probably :P |
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| 00:18.58 | nvz | not that I am one of those whiny PC people who sits in the corner of safe zones peeing my pants.. but I expect folk to at least be well reasoned when they're being an arse :P |
| 00:20.10 | nvz | I bet dpkg has something to say about that .. |
| 00:20.17 | nvz | dpkg, opinons? |
| 00:20.18 | dpkg | no idea, nvz |
| 00:20.24 | nvz | maybe not |
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| 00:42.30 | LtL | dpkg: opinions |
| 00:42.30 | dpkg | opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, they all stink, and it's really not polite to air yours in public, or be prepared to defend yours if you do show it in #debian. Your opinion, not your arsehole. Well, maybe both. |
| 00:42.51 | nvz | LtL: didn't realize I'd made a typo |
| 00:43.00 | LtL | heh |
| 00:43.32 | LtL | nvz: you very seldom do! |
| 00:43.51 | nvz | LtL: yeah well we don't all have your level of commitment to patience with typing :D |
| 00:44.13 | nvz | things taken for granted I suppose |
| 00:44.33 | LtL | I'm the slowest, worst typist present. |
| 00:45.11 | Unplesantry | good |
| 00:45.22 | Unplesantry | u wont be trolling too much |
| 00:45.57 | nvz | yeah but you have a valid reason. I can't believe how much you contribute given your situation and still doing it manually |
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| 00:48.15 | nvz | LtL: I had tried your method and it wasn't easy.. I think I'd have tried to find another way or just given up |
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| 00:57.21 | LtL | thanks nvz |
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| 00:58.06 | ryouma | rsi? |
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| 00:59.50 | nvz | ryouma: more complicated than that |
| 01:00.24 | SerajewelKS | someone is trying to argue with me that raid5 is not a bad idea in production -_- |
| 01:01.15 | dvs | puts on his arguing hat |
| 01:01.17 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts cause I'd always defaulted to RAID5 as I dont really know much about it and it seemed like an effecient compromise to get some redundancy with minimal investment of hardware |
| 01:01.39 | nvz | though I'm considering for my personal use in the future maybe trying unraid |
| 01:01.57 | SerajewelKS | nvz: rebuilding a raid5 requires reading the entire surface of every remaining disk |
| 01:02.27 | nvz | SerajewelKS: so you are arguing what, raid6 is better? |
| 01:02.35 | SerajewelKS | the odds of a consumer drive failing during that process * the number of drives in the array... you're easily looking at 60%+ odds of another disk crapping out during the process. |
| 01:02.49 | SerajewelKS | with those odds you may as well use raid0 |
| 01:03.01 | nvz | idk thats a bit of a stretch.. |
| 01:03.03 | nvz | heh |
| 01:03.27 | nvz | but things like this are why I really like the sound of unraid |
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| 01:04.02 | SerajewelKS | we use raid10 with a hot spare |
| 01:04.06 | nvz | it keeps each disk usable on its own so its fault tolerance is actually less a hard limit and more a you'll lose "some" data |
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| 01:04.55 | SerajewelKS | you don't get as much capacity per $ as raid5/6 but you still get a performance boost, and rebuilding only stresses one drive |
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| 01:06.04 | SerajewelKS | storage is cheap, it seems silly me to gamble on raid5/6 |
| 01:07.13 | SerajewelKS | the figures i've seen relate it to total array size since URE rates tend to be based on the number of sectors in the drive, so the number of drives doesn't matter as much as the array capacity |
| 01:07.38 | SerajewelKS | at 12TB array the probability of a second disk failure during rebuild is ~96% |
| 01:07.50 | SerajewelKS | maybe it's fine with smaller arrays |
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| 01:08.38 | SerajewelKS | _any_ URE during raid5 rebuild will kill the array |
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| 01:09.01 | dvs | I guess it depends on how the remaining drives are used during the rebuild. I thought it would only be a sequencial read during a rebuild. |
| 01:09.18 | SerajewelKS | you're still gambling you're not going to have any URE's on any remaining disk |
| 01:09.40 | SerajewelKS | keep in mind that URE's during normal operation are "hidden" because the array can repair that one sector by reading one sector from the other disks and rewriting it |
| 01:10.33 | SerajewelKS | and the rebuild will be sequential, but unless you're taking the machine offline you probably have service activity happening on the drives so there's still going to be seeking around to satisfy the services you're running |
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| 01:10.58 | SerajewelKS | and if you go offline to rebuild.... why are you using raid? :) |
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| 01:12.37 | SerajewelKS | basically the math is that on most consumer drives, the URE rate is approximately 1 in 10^14 which is ~= 12.5TB |
| 01:13.10 | SerajewelKS | so you're expected to get 1 URE in every 12.5TB of data read. if your array is 12.5TB+ then you're all but guaranteed to fail the rebuild unless you're super lucky. |
| 01:13.42 | dvs | sticks with his 2TB drives |
| 01:14.11 | SerajewelKS | yeah the math says that smaller drives in a raid10 is better :) |
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| 01:14.52 | Foxfir3 | curious. why Raspian on raspberry pi? why a custrom distro, when the extras could be installed with a simple shellscript? |
| 01:14.57 | SerajewelKS | lower B/$ (same as RAID1) but you get the performance of striping, plus a hot spare can replace any drive in any of the mirrored pairs |
| 01:15.23 | SerajewelKS | Foxfir3: well then there wouldn't be an excuse to operate painfully slow mirrors |
| 01:15.47 | Foxfir3 | SerajewelKS: thats a good point |
| 01:15.58 | SerajewelKS | taps his forehead |
| 01:16.10 | Foxfir3 | SerajewelKS: struggling just to install ERlang on a Pi3. |
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| 01:17.48 | SerajewelKS | you should have seen my effors to run ardour and netjack on one |
| 01:18.02 | SerajewelKS | i actually got it working decently well and it was able to run DSP on several channels before being overloaded :) |
| 01:18.43 | SerajewelKS | still it's impressive that a $35 computer can be a several-channel digital mixer with all the bells and whistles like multiband compression and eq |
| 01:19.47 | Foxfir3 | SerajewelKS: so how much did they mess up the original Debian? |
| 01:20.31 | Foxfir3 | they use their own mirrors. but why not just support the debian arm project (assuming there is one) |
| 01:20.36 | SerajewelKS | not really sure. most stuff seems to work well enough. |
| 01:21.59 | Foxfir3 | SerajewelKS: that It does. It just gets frustrating when I can install Erlang because of mysterious 'broken packages'. Telling that something will not be installed, is useless information. |
| 01:22.28 | SerajewelKS | Foxfir3: one possibility is that, since pis tend to use very similar CPUs, the packages can be compiled specifically for that one CPU, enabling a lot of optimizations you can't use when compiling for "anything ARM" |
| 01:23.00 | SerajewelKS | generally you shouldn't mix raspbian and debian repos |
| 01:23.10 | SerajewelKS | hopefully that's not what you're doing, then you get a frakendistro |
| 01:23.29 | Foxfir3 | and they stick to the broadcom. so they can squize out some extra juice. |
| 01:23.51 | SerajewelKS | that's probably a big part of it |
| 01:24.56 | Foxfir3 | not mixing. no. and erlang is the only issue. will try to compile erlang otp now (wondering how many hours that will take). seems that Elixir is not a priority on RPi. |
| 01:25.43 | SerajewelKS | i'd ask in #raspbian |
| 01:25.44 | Foxfir3 | Best succes i had with the rpi3, was running Arch/i3. like a chicken in Etiopia. |
| 01:25.50 | SerajewelKS | maybe they know why it doesn't work, we can only guess |
| 01:26.30 | Foxfir3 | but to make a real pi, i could run pure debian arm? |
| 01:27.01 | SerajewelKS | you could try, i've never done it myself |
| 01:27.11 | SerajewelKS | you'd have to use armhf, i think. armel is a diffirent arch. |
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| 01:27.32 | Foxfir3 | hf and l?? |
| 01:28.25 | SerajewelKS | armhf is the pi arch. debian also supports armel but that's something else. |
| 01:29.31 | Foxfir3 | okay. thanks. that would be a nice experiment on the pi3. |
| 01:30.13 | Foxfir3 | I will buy the pi4, but put Arch on it, since Arch is less painfull (for a fakir) |
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| 01:31.25 | Foxfir3 | not blaming the company behind RPi. they made the right choice to get out to as many users as possible. Great thing for Debian. |
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| 01:37.45 | nvz | SerajewelKS: yeah the times I'd used it I was only using like 3 disks that are fairly small |
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| 02:02.16 | SerajewelKS | nvz: that's probably okay, it still seems very risky to me though in comparison to other options. |
| 02:03.22 | nvz | SerajewelKS: your logic sounds like it makes sense considering large arrays of large disks |
| 02:03.46 | nvz | SerajewelKS: and I would imagine its supported by having seen it happen before |
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| 02:08.32 | nvz | should Debian 10 Live be able to resize a Win10 partition in gparted reasonably safely? |
| 02:08.45 | nvz | to make room for a new install |
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| 02:35.06 | SerajewelKS | nvz: not in person but fellow IT people have had it happen |
| 02:35.13 | SerajewelKS | "why does this happen every time we rebuild this array" |
| 02:35.19 | SerajewelKS | turns out, math. math is why. |
| 02:35.45 | SerajewelKS | nvz: probably about as safe as anything else |
| 02:36.07 | SerajewelKS | nvz: i personally use the gparted live cd for that kind of stuff, but if debian live has gparted then it should work as well |
| 02:36.21 | SerajewelKS | obviously take a backup, yadda yadda |
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| 03:15.27 | GenTooMan | As I was afraid the Nvidia X drivers aren't likely to work right. So to not use them I just need to remove the xorg.conf files and remove the blacklist information in /etc/modprobe.d? |
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| 03:28.10 | Foxfir3 | Elixir up'n running on RPi3. the RPi guys must really hate Erlang :D |
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| 03:30.49 | nkuttler | one way is xmodmap |
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| 03:35.29 | Foxfir3 | nkuttler: I will try that then :) |
| 03:36.52 | GenTooMan | Now I know why people practically do rm -rf to uninstall nvidia's drivers. Geesh. |
| 03:37.18 | Foxfir3 | GenTooMan: yeah.. its a hate/hate relationship |
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| 03:38.12 | Foxfir3 | 5% of all internet traffic is related to Nvidia issues |
| 03:39.13 | Foxfir3 | nkuttler: package does not exist. any idea as what to do next? |
| 03:39.43 | Foxfir3 | nkuttler: forgot. its an RPi3. yummie repo :/ |
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| 03:41.00 | Foxfir3 | Raspian rocks. I get Wolfram lang instead of useful packages |
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| 03:43.48 | GenTooMan | foxfir3 in words of one syllable SIGH. It's not unexpected however it is annoying. |
| 03:47.55 | Foxfir3 | GenTooMan: you said It! There is something deeply wrong with the Raspian approach. well.. swapping keys. if not xmodmap (use that on my Arch lappie), then what? Compile xmodmap? |
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| 05:14.35 | sourcream | What tool in debian could I use to rate limit packets per second per ip? |
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| 05:23.06 | fling | How to tell dist-upgrade to actually upgrade from stretch to buster? |
| 05:23.21 | fling | I run it on bbb, it upgraded like two packages |
| 05:23.31 | fling | and I still have stretch in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 05:25.02 | fling | looks like I should edit it |
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| 05:36.51 | nvz | !tell fling about stretch->buster |
| 05:36.59 | fling | thanks |
| 05:37.59 | fling | How do I not install docs and other stuff? For more minimal system |
| 05:39.46 | nvz | don't install them |
| 05:41.10 | fling | How to? :D |
| 05:41.52 | nvz | fling: you know how you just pressed those buttons H-o-w- -t-o-? try not doing that.. |
| 05:42.00 | nvz | thats how you not do something |
| 05:42.33 | nvz | fling: maybe you should be more specific |
| 05:43.02 | fling | How do I not install anyting to /usr/share/doc for example? |
| 05:43.09 | nvz | for example I am using a system which has both MATE and XFCE on it.. if I removed XFCE I'd only save about 43MB |
| 05:43.12 | fling | In gentoo it would be FEATURES="nodoc" added to make.conf |
| 05:43.22 | fling | Or just /usr/share/doc added to INSTALL_MASK |
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| 05:43.59 | fling | The storage is only 4G, trying to make the system more minimal |
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| 05:44.30 | nvz | debian doesn't have anything like that, we just have a modular system and you don't install what you don't want |
| 05:44.58 | fling | so I can't want to not install anything to /usr/share/doc ? |
| 05:46.15 | nvz | no, there is no provision for such a thing.. there is a way to divert things elsewhere, there are ways to avoid installing certain packages, but no way to just tell the system don't install to /usr/share/doc |
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| 05:46.40 | nvz | most packages only have a small README.Debian, a Changelog, and maybe a manpage in there anyhow |
| 05:46.51 | nvz | if they have more than that its usually in a seperate -doc package |
| 05:46.53 | fling | How can I remove already installed suggested/recommended packages? |
| 05:47.11 | fling | -doc package! ok, got it |
| 05:47.14 | nvz | that also isn't possible |
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| 05:47.22 | nvz | you can avoid installing those automatically |
| 05:47.37 | fling | already did this |
| 05:47.42 | nvz | but you can't differentiate between an auto installed package that was a dependency and one that was a suggested or recommended |
| 05:47.57 | fling | this is odd |
| 05:47.58 | nvz | what you could do is go mark things you want as manual and autoremove the rest |
| 05:48.19 | fling | ok, will do |
| 05:48.34 | fling | will ugprade it to buster first |
| 05:48.59 | nvz | what I was starting to explain with my mention of MATE/XFCE was that for things like this there are huge all-inclusive metapackages like task-mate-desktop |
| 05:49.05 | nvz | then there are smaller and smaller ones |
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| 05:49.26 | fling | is root of f2fs supported in debian? |
| 05:49.33 | fling | s/of/on/ |
| 05:49.41 | nvz | ,depends task-mate-desktop |
| 05:49.42 | judd | Package task-mate-desktop in buster/amd64 -- depends: tasksel (= 3.53), task-desktop, mate-desktop-environment, lightdm. |
| 05:49.54 | nvz | ,depends mate-desktop-environment |
| 05:49.55 | judd | Package mate-desktop-environment in buster/amd64 -- depends: mate-desktop-environment-core (= 1.20.0+5). |
| 05:50.02 | nvz | ,depends mate-desktop-environment-core |
| 05:50.03 | judd | Package mate-desktop-environment-core in buster/amd64 -- depends: caja (>= 1.20.2-2~), fonts-cantarell | fonts-ubuntu, gvfs-backends, marco (>= 1.20), mate-control-center (>= 1.20), mate-desktop (>= 1.20), mate-icon-theme (>= 1.20), mate-menus (>= 1.20), mate-notification-daemon (>= 1.20.0-2~) | notification-daemon, mate-panel (>= 1.20), mate-polkit (>= 1.20), mate-session-manager (>= 1.20), mate- |
| 05:50.04 | judd | settings-daemon (>= 1.20), mate-terminal (>= 1.20), mate-themes (>= 3.22.16), dconf-gsettings-backend | gsettings-backend. |
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| 05:50.46 | nvz | fling: never heard of it, but all that would be required in any linux for something to be usable as a roofs is for it to be supported by the kernel |
| 05:51.01 | nvz | !f2fs |
| 05:51.16 | nvz | dpkg, hello |
| 05:51.16 | dpkg | hey |
| 05:51.21 | nvz | dpkg, f2fs |
| 05:51.21 | dpkg | no idea, nvz |
| 05:51.21 | fling | also might need mount.f2fs userspace helper in initramfs probably |
| 05:51.40 | nvz | its a userspace filesystem? |
| 05:51.45 | fling | No. |
| 05:52.21 | fling | general purpose filesystem for non-rotating media |
| 05:53.09 | fling | might also need fsck.f2fs in initramfs |
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| 05:54.01 | st431 | hi, is there anyway to accept dkms license automatically? |
| 05:54.02 | nvz | dpkg, f2fs is <reply>f2fs is a flash friendly filesystem a guide on installing debian to f2fs can be found at https://howtos.davidsebek.com/debian-f2fs.html |
| 05:54.03 | dpkg | okay, nvz |
| 05:54.11 | st431 | apt install -y zfs-dkms |
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| 05:56.09 | fling | but zfs has no eula |
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| 05:57.41 | fling | Err:548 http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates/main armhf libcpupower1 armhf 4.19.37-5+deb10u2 |
| 05:57.43 | nvz | ,i zfs-dkms |
| 05:57.44 | judd | Package zfs-dkms (contrib/kernel, optional) in buster/amd64: OpenZFS filesystem kernel modules for Linux. Version: 0.7.12-2+deb10u1; Size: 1366.7k; Installed: 10575k; Homepage: http://www.zfsonlinux.org/ |
| 05:57.49 | fling | 500 Bad redirection (path) |
| 05:58.04 | nvz | its in contrib which means it requires something non-free by debian's standard |
| 05:58.30 | fling | non-debian-free :> |
| 05:58.40 | nvz | non-dfsg |
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| 05:59.12 | nvz | dpkg, dfsg? |
| 05:59.12 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 05:59.25 | nvz | dpkg, contrib? |
| 05:59.25 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ [stretch|buster|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
| 05:59.43 | nvz | ,depends zfs-dkms |
| 05:59.44 | judd | Package zfs-dkms in buster/amd64 -- depends: dkms (>> 2.1.1.2-5), lsb-release, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, perl:any,spl-dkms (<< 0.7.12.), spl-dkms (>= 0.7.12). |
| 05:59.57 | nvz | ,i spl-dkms |
| 05:59.58 | judd | Package spl-dkms (kernel, optional) in buster/amd64: Solaris Porting Layer kernel modules for Linux. Version: 0.7.12-2; Size: 390.4k; Installed: 3064k; Homepage: http://www.zfsonlinux.org/ |
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| 06:01.07 | fling | How do I install gstreamer properly if I want rtmp and aac but no X for a headless system |
| 06:01.34 | nvz | fling: if you want to exclude a dependency of something you can use equivs |
| 06:01.45 | nvz | dpkg, equivs |
| 06:01.45 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
| 06:01.50 | fling | thanks |
| 06:02.05 | nvz | dpkg, package recompile |
| 06:02.05 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) apt update; apt install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; apt build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, apt install ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
| 06:02.37 | nvz | fling: you would however have to satisfy the dependency if its actually something the software needs to work |
| 06:02.42 | fling | There are many gstreamer related packages just not sure which ones should be installed like marked manual |
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| 06:02.58 | nvz | fling: installing vnc4server satisfies the need to X in my experience |
| 06:03.27 | fling | writes this down |
| 06:03.35 | nvz | ,depends vnc4server |
| 06:03.36 | judd | Package vnc4server in buster/amd64 -- depends: tigervnc-standalone-server. |
| 06:03.51 | nvz | its just a metapackage that depends on tigervnc-standalone-server |
| 06:04.01 | fling | E: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/f/ffmpeg/libavresample4_4.1.4-1~deb10u1_armhf.deb 500 Invalid header E: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/f/ffmpeg/ffmpeg_4.1.4-1~deb10u1_armhf.deb 500 Bad redirection (path) |
| 06:04.12 | nvz | but I'd used it in the past on headless machines to install X apps and it didn't require me to install X |
| 06:05.13 | nvz | ,provides tigervnc-standalone-server |
| 06:05.14 | judd | Package tigervnc-standalone-server in buster/amd64 provides: vnc-server, xserver. |
| 06:05.37 | nvz | fling: ^ it satisfies the requirement for an xserver |
| 06:07.57 | nvz | fling: (apt policy; apt policy libavresample4)|nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 06:27.13 | localbuddha | Hello! This is my first time using an IRC client :) |
| 06:27.35 | nvz | I'm sorry to hear that |
| 06:27.44 | localbuddha | Why's that? |
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| 06:28.01 | nvz | its just one of those trite canned phrases I use :P |
| 06:28.13 | localbuddha | Ahhh |
| 06:28.18 | nvz | I could've gone with "I'm not gay" instead |
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| 06:29.07 | nvz | localbuddha: this is a support channel, we're narrowly scoped to deal with support questions, the social channel is #debian-offtopic you can /j #debian-offtopic |
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| 06:29.25 | nvz | specifically we deal with support of Debian stable releases here |
| 06:29.41 | localbuddha | Got it, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks :) |
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| 06:30.43 | nvz | come back again when you can't stay so long :P |
| 06:31.13 | nvz | newbies.. |
| 06:31.34 | fling | nvz: restarted and it works |
| 06:32.01 | nvz | um.. ok.. |
| 06:32.10 | nvz | I'm sorry to hear that :P |
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| 06:44.14 | fling | haha |
| 06:45.28 | nvz | rebooting all the time was one of the reasons I became a windows refugee many years ago |
| 06:46.00 | nvz | the microsoft(r) way(tm) of boot, boot, reboot... reinstall.. is not one I think very highly of |
| 06:46.37 | nvz | its not the debian way(tm) |
| 06:47.01 | nvz | we don't have black box software and sweep our issues under the rug.. thats against our social contract |
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| 06:48.28 | fling | nvz: no, restarted apt |
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| 06:51.40 | saul | what's the best way to install nvidia drivers |
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| 06:52.30 | annadane | install nvidia-detect and run it and install the one it tells you to using apt |
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| 06:55.32 | saul | annadane: https://pastebin.com/iqxiNZCy |
| 06:56.34 | fling | saul: the best way is nouveau |
| 06:56.58 | annadane | it highly depends what you use your computer for. nouveau is very limited, because nvidia doesn't cooperate |
| 06:57.08 | annadane | so, no. not "the best way" |
| 06:57.59 | annadane | saul, sorry, i'm not entirely sure how to untangle that. i probably shouldn't be doing tech support at 3 AM either, maybe someone else can answer |
| 06:58.07 | saul | annadane: no worries |
| 06:58.12 | saul | i should sleep too |
| 06:58.47 | saul | so far i'm just using desktop but i may try quake at some point i guess |
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| 07:01.47 | annadane | what i like to do is to use aptitude to investigate why dependencies won't resolve |
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| 07:02.43 | nvz | saul: (apt policy; dpkg -l *nvidia*)|nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 07:30.13 | at0m | ,v libcurl3 |
| 07:30.14 | judd | Package: libcurl3 on amd64 -- jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u11; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u15; stretch: 7.52.1-5+deb9u9; stretch-security: 7.52.1-5+deb9u9 |
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| 07:36.31 | basilic | hello all |
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| 07:44.13 | fling | So what packages should I install for gstreamer? |
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| 07:46.02 | fling | How do I update my kernel? |
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| 07:51.05 | ratrace | fling: generally you want to upgrade all the software with pending upgrades, using `apt upgrade`, having previously updated the package database with `apt update` |
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| 07:53.59 | nvz | fling: what kernel are you running? |
| 07:54.10 | nvz | fling: and what are you trying to update to? |
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| 07:58.47 | fling | 4.14.71-ti-r80 |
| 07:58.50 | fling | idk |
| 07:59.10 | nvz | o.O where did you get that from? |
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| 08:00.57 | fling | idk |
| 08:01.11 | fling | from deb [arch=armhf] http://repos.rcn-ee.com/debian/ buster main |
| 08:01.24 | fling | it is on bbb |
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| 08:05.04 | nvz | bbb? |
| 08:05.26 | nvz | !bbb |
| 08:06.04 | nvz | I'm guessing this is some sbc but I'm unclear what exactly you got goin on there |
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| 08:08.40 | nvz | yeah, you're not running debian if you have that in there.. thats not just merely like armbian with some kernels and a few support packages thats closer to a full repo |
| 08:08.49 | nvz | it has cryptsetup, chromium browser, etc |
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| 08:18.08 | fling | nvz: I don't have cryptsetup and chromium on it |
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| 08:19.49 | nvz | yes but my point is that repo could easily make your system a frankedebian |
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| 09:13.01 | ZaZaGX | its the 7th. i still didn't get the Debian 10.1 update yet |
| 09:13.38 | humpled | the 7th waht ? |
| 09:14.27 | divrppav | 7th day of September |
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| 09:14.51 | ZaZaGX | yeah |
| 09:15.32 | divrppav | There is 10.1 planned at the moment |
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| 09:16.50 | ratrace | that reminds me to start the before tests for before-after comparisons. something tells me zfs performance is gonna take a deep dive with the 10.1 update as the kernel bumps beyond 4.19.37 |
| 09:18.01 | divrppav | There is no* 10.1 at the moment |
| 09:18.43 | ratrace | but it's supposed to come up today |
| 09:19.27 | ratrace | SUA 167-1, announcing 10.1 on Sep 7th 2019 |
| 09:19.56 | nvz | ok so I just imaged a 940G Win10 partition to my ext4 and then like a du-mass deleted the image file accidentally and rather than try recover it which is rather futile anyhow I am just going to rsync the partition to the users home on the server minus on directory that is like 780G already backed up elsewhere.. I was wondering if someone not as sleepy as me could make sure I type the right rsync command I'm |
| 09:20.02 | nvz | thinking just rsync -avc --exclude /mnt/foo/path /mnt /home/user/ does that sound right? |
| 09:20.07 | ninja | what's new in update? |
| 09:20.34 | nvz | ninja: nothing you won't already have if you have security repos and update your packages that way |
| 09:20.59 | ninja | nvz: running testing :) |
| 09:21.44 | nvz | ninja: ah.. well stable point releases are only for making new isos that have the latest security updates basically and testing support is on irc.oftc.net in #debian-next fwiw |
| 09:22.14 | nvz | I guess nobody savvy and more rested than me is here yet.. so here goes nothing.. |
| 09:23.02 | ratrace | nvz: there's version bumps in some cases too |
| 09:23.08 | fireba11 | hm .. dist-upgrading to buster somehow removed my mariadb .. and sadly it doesn't install php 7.3 counterparts to all installed php 7.0 modules :-) |
| 09:23.18 | ratrace | like the kernel that becomes available only with the SU |
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| 09:23.34 | annadane | afaik point releases actually can involve new things on the point release even with a full sources.list, at least i've seen that before |
| 09:23.37 | divrppav | you want rsync to be recursive too, need -r flag? |
| 09:23.43 | annadane | unless my system wasn't "doing it right" at the time... |
| 09:23.44 | ratrace | annadane: true |
| 09:23.51 | ratrace | no, I've seen it too, numerous times |
| 09:23.57 | humpled | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.01 | annadane | yeah so it's not a sources.list thing |
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| 09:24.35 | nvz | will toss -r in there anywho :P |
| 09:24.36 | ratrace | annadane: some updates become available only with the publication of SU, so something extra comes along, not just all the updates you already have since previous (point) release |
| 09:24.39 | divrppav | true, nvm |
| 09:24.56 | nvz | a redundant flag wont kill anything |
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| 09:26.23 | nvz | stops and remembers to start screen first :P |
| 09:26.48 | annadane | maybe simulate it first i suppose if it's that important |
| 09:27.02 | annadane | -n |
| 09:27.11 | annadane | add ALL the flags! |
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| 09:27.26 | nvz | its not really important just trying to cover bases backing up my mother's hdd before reinstalling to correct the failed win10 upgrade and the fact nobody seems to know the password to recover it :P |
| 09:27.39 | jaggz | is there a diff util to look at the difference between my config file and what came from the package? |
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| 09:28.03 | fireba11 | nvz: win password recovery is trivial :-P |
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| 09:28.59 | ratrace | nvz: I'd always include -aAX too. |
| 09:29.23 | ratrace | specially if you're rsyncing system files or files installed by packages |
| 09:29.40 | annadane | rsync -abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz |
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| 09:29.50 | nvz | yeah well I haven't used windows since like xp/7 ish and I tried.. apparently its not linked to a MS account, attempts to switch out binaries with a cmd.exe to trigger a admin shell failed..etc |
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| 09:29.55 | annadane | [kernel panic] |
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| 09:30.05 | ratrace | lol |
| 09:30.20 | nvz | all utils I seen that claim to be able to easily recover win10 passwords are commercial and windows only.. and I'm on linux so.. |
| 09:30.37 | nvz | I've done it back in the day with hirens but idk that it will work on win10 |
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| 09:33.21 | astra | still having some issues pertaining modprobe |
| 09:34.07 | nvz | they claim that system didn't even have a password.. but the recovery tools insist on a password and leaving it blank didnt work.. so.. screw it.. going to backup to a samba share and reinstall |
| 09:34.07 | astra | perhaps the sources.list or something since its been giving me an error after updating |
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| 09:37.11 | astra | http://paste.debian.net/1099353/ |
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| 09:38.00 | nvz | astra: whats the background on your issue, are you upgrading a system or what? |
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| 09:38.38 | astra | clean install on ssd from dvd |
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| 09:38.58 | nvz | astra: then whats with all the unofficial repos that seem to be the source of the errors you just pasted? |
| 09:39.47 | astra | that's got to be it |
| 09:39.54 | nvz | were it me, it'd set a standard debian sources.list with deb.debian.org |
| 09:40.01 | astra | the cdrom error was baffling as well |
| 09:40.12 | astra | thank you, dear |
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| 09:40.16 | nvz | if you're online now comment all that out, just put normal sources |
| 09:40.19 | nvz | !sources.list |
| 09:40.19 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 09:40.23 | narbeh | Hello, I have Ubuntu 18.04 server and I'm seeing ksoftirqd/3 process that freezes my server every 10-15 mins, Could anyone help me on this issue? Resources are: 30GB RAM, 8 Cores CPU, SSD, Updated System, Virtualization: Opennebula |
| 09:40.51 | astra | thank you, nvz |
| 09:40.56 | astra | truly appreciated |
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| 09:41.25 | annadane | narbeh, why not ask the ubuntu people? this is debian |
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| 09:42.18 | narbeh | @annadane Sure, I also asked, I thought because it's kernel related. |
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| 09:46.41 | zothix | i need help, tell me where do i start, " i have made a website with docker , i bought a server and a domain, my server will consist of multiple sites, right now the server at port 80 does show my website but i want to configure it with domain " where do is start? |
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| 09:52.50 | narbeh | zothix you need to run dns server on linux (bind9 or named) and configure your webserver. You need to register the domain at first of course |
| 09:52.55 | ratrace | zothix: easiest thing would be you point your domain at your server's IP from your registrar's panel |
| 09:53.24 | ratrace | I wouldn't recommend diving into Bind right now |
| 09:54.25 | narbeh | Yeah maybe he already has the domain panel |
| 09:54.30 | zothix | ratrace, there was a option " add name server " i added my server ip, but that wasnt accepted |
| 09:55.01 | ratrace | zothix: doesn't your registrar offer nameserver services? |
| 09:55.41 | ratrace | you really want to learn all this step by step. you can always run your own Bind server later, when you've learned enough of it |
| 09:56.25 | zothix | ratrace, let me try explain i am newbie so tell me where m wrong, what i think is i somehow need to put a name server on my own server so that the domain provider can somhow just point t my ip then my ip resolves it to the specified docker running that specific website |
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| 09:57.59 | ratrace | zothix: nope. if you're running a nameserver then the namserver responds with an IP address when requested for (your) domain |
| 09:58.32 | ratrace | so what actually happens is the nameserver would respond with the IP your http server is listening on |
| 09:58.43 | ratrace | whether it's dockerized or not, is orthogonal to this issue |
| 09:59.09 | zothix | sooo... i cant run multiple websites on a single server then? |
| 09:59.14 | ratrace | however... you're asking a very broad question with many components and moving parts, too broad to handle everything if you never did it and have only irc to guide you |
| 09:59.35 | ratrace | zothix: sure you can. the http server (let's say nginx) can be configured to run multiple domains. |
| 10:00.01 | ratrace | also why docker. I'd recommend you don't use docker until you've grasped basic concepts. In fact don't use it at all, but eh... |
| 10:00.33 | zothix | it was just easier to put on server with docker xD |
| 10:00.44 | ratrace | I doubt that |
| 10:01.23 | zothix | well i just composed with docker push it to hub, then pull it from server by making a docker compose file there |
| 10:02.26 | ratrace | what's in the docker? |
| 10:02.34 | zothix | the website |
| 10:02.42 | zothix | i want to host |
| 10:02.43 | ratrace | what's "the website"? static HTML files? |
| 10:02.54 | zothix | no its a django based Blog site |
| 10:03.08 | ratrace | django. and what else is in the docker? which application server for django? |
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| 10:03.57 | zothix | in docker i got a postgre container, go access container, nginx container, and a web (django )container |
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| 10:04.58 | ratrace | can't you install all those components in debian directly? |
| 10:05.29 | zothix | i could, but shifting em here n there is a drag.. so i used docker also it was a new tech and i found it cool :( |
| 10:07.03 | ratrace | but it's preventing you from learning how to manage individual components and how they work together |
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| 10:07.30 | ratrace | you can't just stick a docker into a server and expect it all to run just like that without carefully configuring all the parts |
| 10:07.47 | humpled | dial the number and turn the key! |
| 10:08.00 | ratrace | friendly advice, dich the docker and install all the compoents with apt. configure them properly, individually as they should be |
| 10:08.25 | ratrace | you can always go back to docker later once you've learned how every part of "running a website" works. |
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| 10:09.19 | zothix | ratrace, after installing it, how do i make my domian point towards my server ip |
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| 10:09.41 | ratrace | zothix: you go to your registrar and find their "nameserver" service, then use that to point *their* nameservers to your IP |
| 10:10.07 | ratrace | or install Bind9, learn how to configure it and especially all the security gothcas of running a easy-to-abuse authoritative DNS server |
| 10:10.46 | zothix | alright ill look into bind9 |
| 10:10.52 | ratrace | lol |
| 10:11.08 | zothix | xD whaat |
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| 10:11.31 | zothix | u gotta start somehwere xD this is testing so i might just go all the way |
| 10:12.18 | ratrace | well that'd be okay if you did it on LAN. but you're installing easy to abuse programs on public server. |
| 10:12.36 | zothix | ill try it on my pc first then |
| 10:12.38 | ratrace | you're opening yourself to criminal liability AND you're putting other servers online in danger |
| 10:13.22 | ratrace | zothix: or go step by step. you don't need to run your own nameserver right now, do you? |
| 10:13.38 | zothix | the domain m using isnt giving me a name server |
| 10:13.39 | zothix | .. |
| 10:13.44 | ratrace | you want to run a django site. django, python and nginx are the minimum components you need to install, and postgres yeah |
| 10:13.47 | zothix | it says " add your own name server " |
| 10:13.53 | ratrace | zothix: change your registrar then |
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| 10:14.12 | zothix | ratrace, umm thats a good idea |
| 10:14.13 | zothix | thanks |
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| 12:53.28 | ws2k3 | hoping someone can advise. i have 2 debian 7 boxes. both running mysql. allmost identical setup. but when i do "mysql" one box nicely includes debian.cnf as it should. but the other one doesnt. so im wondering where is it defined/configured that mysql client should include debian.cnf? |
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| 13:02.03 | abrotman | ws2k3: which mysql packages are you using? |
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| 13:22.18 | UnknownSh-t | hello |
| 13:22.30 | UnknownSh-t | anybody here? |
| 13:23.24 | UnknownSh-t | here have 1543 people online right? |
| 13:24.23 | whislock | You're welcome to ask your question or describe your issue. If someone is available and can assist, they will. |
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| 15:21.01 | Greyztar | hello,are there any popular alternatives to evernote in debian? Maybe one with android app aswell, i used keepnote awhile but theres no android app i could find though |
| 15:21.14 | XsiSec | Hi guys I am on debian stretch (9.9) I should need to mount a lvm2 partition though when I trying I get "Unsupported LUKS version 2." I have that installed as well :( |
| 15:21.38 | cluelessperson | Greyztar I like simple text files inside a git repository |
| 15:22.14 | cluelessperson | XsiSec I think `cryptsetup` is usually used to mount luks volumes |
| 15:22.38 | XsiSec | cluelessperson, thats what I have been trying with --> sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda5 /mnt/120GB |
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| 15:22.54 | XsiSec | then I get that error :( |
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| 15:23.06 | Greyztar | cluelessperson: thanks ! |
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| 15:23.47 | XsiSec | though when I open pcmanfm, I can see the disk on lefthandside in the list, but when I click also using the passphrase, it says Not authorized to perform operation |
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| 15:24.06 | cluelessperson | Greyztar using a git repo, you can maintain a todo list and every change to it over time |
| 15:24.16 | cluelessperson | and the files/entries you make over time |
| 15:24.19 | cluelessperson | pretty neat I think |
| 15:24.57 | cluelessperson | XsiSec what version of cryptsetup do you have installed? |
| 15:25.54 | XsiSec | 2:1.7.3-4 |
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| 15:26.19 | Greyztar | cluelessperson: im already using it for my scripts,to be honest i just didnt think of it to use as taking notes which might work great with the change history thanks for the tip again |
| 15:26.42 | XsiSec | How can I make my regular user be able to perform the authorized operation? |
| 15:26.49 | XsiSec | that's maybe solves it |
| 15:27.07 | XsiSec | it says Not authorized to perform operation |
| 15:27.27 | cluelessperson | XsiSec my version of cryptsetup is 2.1 |
| 15:27.35 | cluelessperson | maybe you need to upgrade that to support version 2 |
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| 15:27.54 | XsiSec | it's over 2? --> 2:1.7.3-4 |
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| 15:28.19 | XsiSec | how do I upgrade it from command line? sudo apt-get install cryptosetup -upgrade? |
| 15:30.08 | XsiSec | "Reading state information... Done |
| 15:30.08 | XsiSec | cryptsetup is already the newest version (2:1.7.3-4). |
| 15:30.08 | XsiSec | " |
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| 15:31.14 | cluelessperson | XsiSec maybe you need to install it from another repo |
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| 15:31.52 | XsiSec | how? :/ |
| 15:32.10 | XsiSec | I have been trying partitionmanager also kvpm |
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| 15:47.10 | nvz | ,v cryptsetup |
| 15:47.11 | judd | Package: cryptsetup on amd64 -- jessie: 2:1.6.6-5; stretch: 2:1.7.3-4; buster: 2:2.1.0-5; buster-proposed-updates: 2:2.1.0-5+deb10u2; bullseye: 2:2.2.0-1; sid: 2:2.2.0-1 |
| 15:47.50 | nvz | they left already, but thats version 1.7 obviously.. and the crypt was created on a system with 2.x and it would appear there wasnt a backport made |
| 15:48.02 | nvz | ,depends cryptsetup |
| 15:48.03 | judd | Package cryptsetup in buster/amd64 -- depends: cryptsetup-initramfs (>= 2:2.0.3-1), cryptsetup-run (>= 2:2.0.3-1). |
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| 15:59.29 | Gerowen | Random question. This is the first system I've ever encrypted the drive on. TRIM is a "mount" argument, which means it shouldn't be hindered by the encryption and should work just fine on an encrypted drive, correct? |
| 16:01.06 | ratrace | Gerowen: if that's LUKS encryption, you'd also need to tell it to allow_discards, because trim has some security implications on |
| 16:01.36 | ratrace | %s/allow_discards/allow discards/ |
| 16:01.53 | Gerowen | ratrace: Yeah it's LUKS, the default encryption method that's included in the Debian installer. |
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| 16:02.09 | Gerowen | I was just curious, educating myself. I don't have any particular concerns about performance. |
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| 16:02.28 | Gerowen | I'll probably just leave it off, but I got to wondering whether or how it would work on an encrypted drive. |
| 16:03.17 | ratrace | Gerowen: they don't interact directly. trimming is hardware command, encryption is mathematical conversion of data before hardware gets to store it |
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| 16:04.02 | ratrace | ie. the hardware has no idea it's storing "encrypted" bits -- assuming we're talking about LUKS here |
| 16:04.22 | Gerowen | ratrace: That's what I understood about TRIM, that it was a command sent to the drive, hence my curiosity about it and encryption. Which, I guess whether it's encrypted or not doesn't matter. |
| 16:05.08 | ratrace | it only matters in the part where trimmed sectors "leak" cryptographical info |
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| 16:06.11 | ratrace | the "leak" is actually in the fact that a sector is marked unused, so the "attacker" would have that information which would help them in cryptanalysis |
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