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| 05:24.31 | kreyren | What is the debian way to get python 3.6 |
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| 05:26.29 | kreyren | ~~don't make me ask on #debian-next https://i.imgur.com/l57LXyO.png~~ |
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| 05:29.10 | jim | did debian ever have a package 'highlighterkit' (related to gnustep)? |
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| 05:30.08 | kreyren | ,v highlighterkit |
| 05:30.09 | judd | No package named 'highlighterkit' was found in amd64. |
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| 05:57.18 | jim | kreyren, yeah, already checked that, but I've seen things that suggest it might have been present |
| 05:57.29 | jim | like in wheezy |
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| 05:58.33 | dadinn | hi all |
| 05:58.43 | jim | hi |
| 05:59.29 | dadinn | I am trying to figure out how to configure spindown/standby features of hard-drives. The issue I have is that neither -S, nor -B flags seem to work. The -S option I am able to set the 5 or 20 second spindown time, but nothing happens. The -B option doesn't seem to be supported on my hard-drives at all, it says "APM_level = not supported". |
| 05:59.34 | dadinn | OTOH, if I use hdparm -y the hdd goes to standby immediately, so I suppose the feature is supported I am just not using the correct command. |
| 05:59.37 | dadinn | I've looked at this Arch wiki so far: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/hdparm |
| 06:04.38 | Voldenet | fwiw: on wd green disks there used to be this problem, that they parked themselves after 8 seconds and there was no option to change this |
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| 06:08.27 | Voldenet | well, there was, but it wasn't really an official one: http://idle3-tools.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 06:09.41 | Voldenet | Obviously, those disks were very resistant to any hdparm commands |
| 06:11.23 | dadinn | Voldenet: I think hdparm has a -J option specifically for WD green disks ;) |
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| 06:26.35 | Voldenet | Yes, it's hacky, and basically using the same method. Also, modern disks have features like background medium scan |
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| 06:27.31 | Voldenet | so it may really depend on the hardware used |
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| 06:48.18 | dutchfish | Hi, i believe this is a bug in Debian 10.1, hdparm version v9.58, anyone can confirm this? sudo hdparm -I /dev/nvme0n1p4 | grep TRIM | HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device. |
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| 06:52.01 | Voldenet | dutchfish: from the manpage `hdparm - get/set SATA/IDE device parameters` |
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| 06:55.35 | Voldenet | dutchfish: debian has nvme-cli, which may be what you're looking for |
| 06:57.03 | dutchfish | Voldenet, scrugh. And how does Debian 10.1 do trimming then? |
| 06:57.43 | Voldenet | That I don't know, maybe someone who knows will show up |
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| 06:58.46 | dutchfish | Voldenet, i ask this, because another distro hdparm can handle trim. |
| 06:59.01 | dutchfish | i am confused now |
| 06:59.48 | dutchfish | Voldenet, thanks for the info. I will delve further into it. |
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| 07:03.28 | Voldenet | If it works somewhere else, then maybe newer versions learned how to operate on nvme |
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| 07:10.05 | dutchfish | Voldenet, this is the output of my searches so far, nothing about the trim feature. https://paste.debian.net/1099457/ |
| 07:13.42 | dutchfish | Voldenet, i dont believe SMART handle this? |
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| 07:25.59 | dutchfish | Voldenet, i know i can dot it manually like so https://paste.debian.net/1099458/ but i eager to figure out the Debian way and encountered the hdparam bug. |
| 07:27.02 | dutchfish | Voldenet, thanks again |
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| 08:08.46 | Giverny | guys |
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| 08:09.38 | Giverny | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.38 | Giverny | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.38 | Giverny | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.38 | Giverny | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.05 | Giverny | why my nftables dont go? |
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| 08:12.20 | Giverny | why my nftables dont go? |
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| 08:37.09 | astra | thought it came with the kmod packages, not sure |
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| 09:05.52 | gunix | ,v firefox |
| 09:05.53 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- sid: 68.0.2-3 |
| 09:06.05 | gunix | ,v iceweasel |
| 09:06.06 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 60.7.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 60.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 60.9.0esr-1~deb9u1 |
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| 09:09.58 | astra | ,v kmod |
| 09:09.59 | judd | Package: kmod on amd64 -- jessie: 18-3; stretch: 23-2; bullseye: 26-1; buster: 26-1; sid: 26-1 |
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| 09:16.30 | gunix | judd: thank you! |
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| 09:19.34 | humbot | gunix firefox-esr is the recommended package in debian now |
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| 09:20.42 | jelly | they left already |
| 09:20.47 | annadane | ...how do you query judd using a bot command and then *thank* judd? |
| 09:21.40 | annadane | judd, botsnack |
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| 09:26.35 | judd | thank you so much, annadane *nom* |
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| 09:44.29 | davorin | morning (o; |
| 09:44.50 | davorin | why won't a debian 9 host prefer ipv6 over v4? |
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| 09:45.37 | GNU\colossus | because its /etc/gai.conf tells it not to, I presume |
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| 09:51.23 | davorin | have several debian 9 hosts...all settings in gai.conf are commented out... |
| 09:51.34 | davorin | all but one prefer to use ipv6 though.. |
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| 09:52.30 | ZaZaGX | ahoy |
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| 09:55.51 | jelly | davorin: any particular tool that does not use ipv6 by default? |
| 09:56.02 | davorin | for example ping |
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| 09:56.26 | davorin | and also the php mailer script picks up v4 only |
| 09:56.43 | davorin | well not that big deal as i migrate it away to another hotter soon.. |
| 09:56.51 | davorin | s/hotter/hoster/ |
| 09:56.56 | jelly | davorin: ping to which address? |
| 09:57.00 | jelly | [11:56] ~ => ping google.com burek |
| 09:57.00 | jelly | PING google.com(bud02s27-in-x0e.1e100.net (2a00:1450:400d:804::200e)) 56 data bytes |
| 09:57.01 | davorin | google.ch |
| 09:57.10 | davorin | klingler@asterisk:~/cron$ ping google.ch |
| 09:57.10 | davorin | PING google.ch(zrh11s02-in-x03.1e100.net (2a00:1450:400a:800::2003)) 56 data bytes |
| 09:57.10 | davorin | 64 bytes from zrh11s02-in-x03.1e100.net (2a00:1450:400a:800::2003): icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=12.4 ms |
| 09:57.18 | davorin | this is fine on my debian 9 host at home |
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| 09:57.39 | davorin | just one picks: |
| 09:57.39 | davorin | PING google.ch (172.217.22.3) 56(84) bytes of data. |
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| 09:58.22 | jelly | davorin: does this system have a public ipv6 address with scope global? |
| 09:58.52 | jelly | pastebin the output of "ip a" and "ip -6 r" |
| 09:59.11 | davorin | it has its own /64 with scope global |
| 10:01.31 | davorin | this is the output of both commands: |
| 10:01.31 | davorin | https://pastebin.com/jMRaVsZT |
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| 10:05.04 | davorin | hmm...scope global deprecated |
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| 10:08.25 | brutser | hi, when downloading netinstaller, i still get 10.0.0, is there already a 10.1.0 out, or i just have to wait for that? |
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| 10:11.41 | jelly | brutser: it's not out yet |
| 10:12.08 | jelly | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ current still points to 10.0.0 |
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| 10:13.03 | brutser | jelly: ok then it's just a matter of wait i guess |
| 10:13.29 | ZaZaGX | well, i just got the update. it still says i have buster 10 |
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| 10:19.24 | brutser | i noticed the new kernel update, so that made me look if there was a new debian version too and 10.1 just released yesterday, so i guess it takes some time to update everything |
| 10:19.55 | jelly | brutser: cd images usually take a couple days more |
| 10:20.07 | brutser | jelly: yes makes sense |
| 10:20.29 | jelly | ZaZaGX: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 10:24.06 | ZaZaGX | 10.1 |
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| 10:26.53 | brutser | voila :) |
| 10:27.01 | brutser | but it's still buster 10 |
| 10:27.12 | brutser | version 10.1 |
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| 10:49.07 | A_buh | can anyone tell me why i'm unable to get a custom command running? |
| 10:49.49 | A_buh | i'm trying to get gnome-terminal to run the custom-command ' sh -c "bash; unset HISTFILE" ' |
| 10:50.29 | jelly | A_buh: what is that command supposed to achieve? |
| 10:50.41 | A_buh | i'm trying to unset the HISTFILE variable |
| 10:50.51 | jelly | where? |
| 10:51.02 | A_buh | as soon as i load gnome-terminal |
| 10:51.21 | jelly | in the interactive shell that's going to be running in that terminal? |
| 10:51.34 | A_buh | yeah |
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| 10:51.59 | A_buh | if i do it manually, it works fine |
| 10:53.05 | A_buh | i can confirm with a ' unset HISTFILE ' |
| 10:53.22 | A_buh | when i run ' set | grep -i hist ' it shows the variable as empty |
| 10:54.23 | A_buh | that is pretty much the goal |
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| 10:55.18 | jelly | A_buh: your command would first run bash, bash would do its thing, and only when bash ends, the parent shell would unset the variable |
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| 10:56.01 | A_buh | yeah... that's what i was hoping it would do |
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| 10:56.53 | jelly | A_buh: while bash is running, it would have its own value the usual way |
| 10:56.53 | A_buh | oh |
| 10:57.08 | jelly | try sh -c "HISTFILE= exec bash -i" |
| 10:58.13 | abrock123 | I have an encrypted Debian testing install which doesn't accept my password anymore. I'm not sure my keyboard works as expected, so I don't know if I'm typing it correctly. Can I somehow make the password I enter at boot visible? |
| 10:58.21 | jelly | A_buh: or: env -u HISTFILE bash -i |
| 10:58.52 | jelly | A_buh: but I suspect something in bash rc files sets it for interactive shells |
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| 10:59.44 | jelly | abrock123: perhaps ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) |
| 11:00.30 | abrock123 | ah, it also complains after each attempt: "libgcc_s.so.1 must be installed for pthread_cancel to work" |
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| 11:07.38 | A_buh | jelly: i was actually hoping that it would read from the history file first and *then* forget its location... this way when i run 'history' i have access to the commands i ran, but that the history file doesn't get appended to |
| 11:08.25 | A_buh | unless, of course, i explicitly append to it, or run another profile where the history gets recorded |
| 11:08.53 | jelly | A_buh: I'd ask in #bash how to do that automatically |
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| 11:10.28 | jelly | A_buh: but start with that last description there, don't make them jump hoops from "unable to get a custom command running" to your ACTUAL intention |
| 11:11.39 | A_buh | jelly: going through the man page for bash now... for the -c option |
| 11:12.50 | jelly | -c does not get you an interactive shell. |
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| 11:19.46 | teclo- | afternoon... Sorry but the ISO images for Debian GNU/Linux 10.1 aren't on cdimage.debian.org yet... |
| 11:20.59 | jelly | teclo-: no, they are not. |
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| 11:22.17 | jelly | teclo-: they will be in a day or three. |
| 11:22.25 | teclo- | jelly: ah thank you |
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| 11:28.40 | jelly | wonders why Debian announces a point release before iso image deliverables are ready |
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| 12:05.06 | shiroiNeko | i have set check update to never and security update to display immediately, but every start up, debian always check for update and downloading all update file to /var/cache/apt without my knowledge, how can i stop it ? |
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| 12:08.41 | jelly | shiroiNeko: where did you set this? |
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| 12:13.14 | shiroiNeko | jelly: at software and update |
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| 12:16.18 | jelly | "Software & Updates"? software-properties-gtk |
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| 12:18.22 | shiroiNeko | yes thats right |
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| 12:20.23 | jelly | that seems to affect /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic config file... |
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| 12:23.47 | shiroiNeko | there are no 10periodic file in those folder |
| 12:24.48 | oblivian | What's the best, or a good, way to change DNS server when connecting to an openvpn server? |
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| 12:26.55 | newbie2 | Hello. What logs can i check when a desktop menu entry i made myself doesn't start the desired script in debian 10/Mate? |
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| 12:29.39 | mebus | HI! |
| 12:29.39 | mebus | Can somebody help with this: https://gist.github.com/Mebus/73f921c5d1117481361b0d79828328ea ? |
| 12:30.07 | oblivian | newbie2: hi, did you search through /var/log ? I know that's very general but most stuff is in there |
| 12:30.56 | oblivian | also maybe try the command ' journalctl -xe '. Has been useful for me in the past debugging things |
| 12:31.31 | oblivian | But you might want to run journalctl directly after testing the thing as it outputs a lot of things |
| 12:31.38 | oblivian | Hopefully that helps :) |
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| 12:32.02 | newbie2 | oblivian thanks. Did find no entries in logfiles or with journalctl |
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| 12:33.52 | humpled | how 'bout ~/.xsession-errors |
| 12:34.22 | jelly | shiroiNeko: which debian release is this? |
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| 12:35.37 | shiroiNeko | <jelly>buster 10 |
| 12:36.02 | jelly | shiroiNeko: weird. Can you pastebin the output of: sudo sh -x /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily lock_is_held update 2>&1 | head -n80 |
| 12:36.29 | jelly | or, if you don't have sudo, run the command as root, without that first "sudo " word |
| 12:36.42 | newbie2 | Had to login again. humpled .xsession-errors doesn't show anything either. I wil try creating another test.desktop file |
| 12:37.17 | jelly | that seems to be the script that does updates from apt-daily.service / apt-daily.timer |
| 12:37.52 | shiroiNeko | + [ lock_is_held = lock_is_held ] |
| 12:37.52 | shiroiNeko | + shift |
| 12:37.52 | shiroiNeko | + test -r /var/lib/apt/extended_states |
| 12:37.52 | shiroiNeko | + cd /var/backups |
| 12:37.52 | shiroiNeko | + cmp -s apt.extended_states.0 /var/lib/apt/extended_states |
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| 12:38.17 | jelly | dpkg, tell shiroiNeko about paste |
| 12:38.26 | dvs | not there |
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| 12:39.06 | jelly | dvs: they're not here in the channel, but they're probably there in PM, which bot sends |
| 12:39.16 | dvs | oh cool |
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| 12:40.44 | claytoncoffey | Would there be a reason why the Debian download is so slow? Under 150KB/s I've tired 3 .ISO's all are about the same speed i'm not haveing speed issues anywhere else. |
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| 12:41.03 | shiroiNeko | http://paste.debian.net/1099505/ |
| 12:41.10 | dvs | claytoncoffey, the mirror is slow? |
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| 12:42.18 | jelly | shiroiNeko: well that looks as if it really shouldn't do automatic apt update fetching. |
| 12:42.19 | claytoncoffey | I'm not sure i find the site hard to move around. Would you be able to link me to the non free lxqt Australia mirror if there is one please. |
| 12:42.49 | humpled | i got 320 kB/s on last upgrade, seems neither fast nor slow |
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| 12:43.26 | dvs | !buster sources.list |
| 12:43.27 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 12:43.29 | jelly | shiroiNeko: you can file a bug report |
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| 12:44.57 | shiroiNeko | oh allright |
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| 12:45.52 | claytoncoffey | thanks @dvs thats one place i tired still way too slow 14+ hours. |
| 12:46.33 | dvs | claytoncoffey, what are you downloading??? |
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| 12:47.06 | claytoncoffey | I'm wanting the non-free lxqt version |
| 12:47.30 | dvs | lxqt? |
| 12:47.38 | claytoncoffey | Speed is not an issue |
| 12:47.39 | claytoncoffey | [clayton@CPC ~]$ speedtest-cli --simple |
| 12:47.40 | claytoncoffey | Ping: 37.771 ms |
| 12:47.40 | claytoncoffey | Download: 85.81 Mbit/s |
| 12:47.42 | claytoncoffey | Upload: 35.88 Mbit/s |
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| 12:48.22 | nvz | sata is just universally hot swappable right? I mean I can just hdparm -Y and put a drive to sleep and remove it and plug in another no matter what controller it is? |
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| 12:48.42 | claytoncoffey | LXQT is a desktop |
| 12:48.55 | jelly | claytoncoffey: wait a day or three for iso images to appear, esp. the unofficial images might have a delay |
| 12:48.57 | claytoncoffey | But xfce & gnome3 are the same speed |
| 12:49.08 | nvz | claytoncoffey: one of a few that unfortunately uses wicd |
| 12:49.44 | nvz | I'm of a mind that WICD is Wireless under Ideal Conditions Daemon |
| 12:49.49 | dvs | claytoncoffey, oh, you're downloading 10.1 |
| 12:49.53 | jelly | nvz: no. Hotplug actually working well depends on mainboard and bios. |
| 12:50.12 | claytoncoffey | https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.0.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-10.0.0-amd64-lxqt+nonfree.iso |
| 12:50.26 | claytoncoffey | Thats whats i'm downloading |
| 12:50.43 | nvz | jelly: its not a big deal given the way I have the cabling its probably safer to shut down.. this machine is rather old commercial desktop crap |
| 12:50.45 | jelly | nvz: and you want to tell the kernel to forget about drive resources: echo 1 > /sys/class/sdX/device/delete |
| 12:50.58 | claytoncoffey | I need the non free version for ath9k & touchpad drivers |
| 12:51.04 | nvz | jelly: I wasn't aware of that interface |
| 12:51.19 | shiroiNeko | somehow changing it's option fix it, now 10 periodic has appeared |
| 12:51.40 | jelly | nvz: it spins down the device and disconnects it from the bus, if all goes well |
| 12:51.46 | dvs | claytoncoffey, ah, you're downloading from cdimage.debian.org. That's the original server so you're not downloading from a mirror |
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| 12:52.19 | nvz | jelly: yeah I guess if I just tell it to sleep the kernel is still expecting it to wake up at some point |
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| 12:52.37 | claytoncoffey | Right! thats my issue anyone able to find a mirror suited to an australian connection lxqt or xfc4 IDC at this point |
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| 12:53.49 | newbie2 | Just found the error: i forgot to specify the Path-Key in the .destkop file. Thanks for help |
| 12:53.54 | jelly | claytoncoffey: why not install from (unofficial) netinst |
| 12:54.13 | dvs | claytoncoffey, can you use the torrent instead? https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.0.0-live+nonfree/amd64/bt-hybrid/ |
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| 12:54.32 | jelly | claytoncoffey: or wait a couple days for 10.1 images |
| 12:54.42 | nvz | claytoncoffey: http://debian.mirror.digitalpacific.com.au/debian-cd/ http://mirror.overthewire.com.au/debian-cd/ http://mirror.rackcentral.com.au/debian-cd/ http://mirror.waia.asn.au/pub/linux/debian-cd/ |
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| 12:57.04 | claytoncoffey | NVZ thankyou soo much |
| 12:57.21 | claytoncoffey | you to jelly & dvs |
| 12:57.24 | nvz | CLAYTONCOFFEY no problem XD |
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| 12:59.25 | dalao | I installed buster, but the iptables does not work, when I type 'iptables -L', it say, 'Operation not supported', |
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| 13:00.05 | dalao | I don't know how to do, please help me |
| 13:01.19 | dalao | iptables v1.8.2 (nf_tables) |
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| 13:01.34 | Habbie | dalao, is this some virtual machine? |
| 13:01.49 | dalao | except -h, nearyly any option do the same |
| 13:02.02 | dalao | Habbie, it is not virtual machine |
| 13:02.09 | Habbie | it's a real PC? |
| 13:02.10 | dalao | installed as host |
| 13:02.14 | dalao | eys |
| 13:02.17 | dalao | yes |
| 13:02.52 | aaro | are you running iptables command as root? |
| 13:02.59 | dalao | yes, aaro |
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| 13:03.49 | dalao | when I try to install a guest os, with virt-manager, it tell me iptables does not work, then I try type iptable -L, |
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| 13:05.29 | dalao | Habbie, bust is my host os, in a real PC |
| 13:05.37 | Habbie | dalao, anything in dmesg? |
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| 13:06.31 | dalao | when boot, there are some pstore:crypto_comp errors |
| 13:06.38 | Habbie | that's probably not it |
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| 13:07.11 | Habbie | i mostly mean: does anything appear in dmesg when you try sudo iptables -L ? |
| 13:07.30 | dalao | there are lines like 'OOM killer enabled' |
| 13:07.46 | dalao | 'Restarting tasks ... done.' |
| 13:07.46 | dvs | out of memory |
| 13:08.17 | dalao | 7896.4 total, 4917.0 free |
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| 13:09.07 | dalao | nothing was print in dmesg, Habbie |
| 13:09.23 | dalao | when executing 'iptables -L' |
| 13:09.31 | shiroiNeko | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/1099514/ maybe now it's fixed |
| 13:10.44 | dalao | because of iptables, on which both kvm and docker depends |
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| 13:10.54 | dalao | can not started |
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| 13:15.15 | dalao | http://paste.debian.net/1099515/ |
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| 13:15.27 | jelly | shiroiNeko: I wouldn't bet on it |
| 13:15.37 | dalao | Habbie, that is result of strace iptables |
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| 13:16.26 | Habbie | dalao, right, EOPNOTSUPP is received from the kernel in there |
| 13:16.29 | Habbie | dalao, but i don't know why, sorry |
| 13:16.52 | dalao | openat(AT_FDCWD, "/etc/xtables.conf", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT |
| 13:17.06 | dalao | the file have to exist? |
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| 13:18.16 | jelly | dalao: which architecture and kernel is this? uname -a |
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| 13:19.02 | dalao | jelly: Linux jianghu 5.0.14 #3 SMP Fri Sep 6 21:07:25 CST 2019 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:19.40 | jelly | dalao: is there a reason for the custom kernel? |
| 13:19.56 | dalao | jelly, no, :-) |
| 13:20.19 | dalao | I will try the kernel from buster, wait a minute |
| 13:20.21 | jelly | boot the distro kernel and see if things work better |
| 13:20.29 | dalao | ok, thank you |
| 13:20.43 | Habbie | oh :) |
| 13:20.49 | Habbie | custom kernel |
| 13:21.49 | jelly | one does suspect such things when kernel functionality that usually Just Works⢠doesn't |
| 13:22.44 | dvs | I know that I had to compile the kernel several times to get it the work right. |
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| 13:25.05 | dalao | Habbie, jelly, now it works, thank you |
| 13:25.34 | dalao | very much |
| 13:27.04 | Habbie | ok! |
| 13:27.38 | jelly | you're welcome |
| 13:27.53 | dalao | to write in a ntfs fs, does I must install ntfs-3g? I notice the kernel there are a feature about ntfs write |
| 13:28.10 | jelly | probably yes |
| 13:28.20 | dalao | ok, I will try |
| 13:28.47 | dalao | in the old dist, there a menu editor, now it is removed? |
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| 13:29.32 | jelly | the whole debian menu functionality seems to be gone or at least very deprecated |
| 13:29.48 | oblivian | test |
| 13:29.53 | dvs | !test |
| 13:29.53 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 13:30.00 | oblivian | damn |
| 13:30.32 | oblivian | Was there any news on v10.1? |
| 13:30.39 | jelly | my kde still gets old menu entries from ~/.menu/ somehow |
| 13:30.40 | alpha-carinae | what's !test? |
| 13:30.45 | oblivian | Thought it'd have a kernel update |
| 13:30.52 | dvs | oblivian, it's out? |
| 13:31.10 | dalao | I have installed android-studio, which has a start script, I don't know how to add it to my favour folder |
| 13:31.22 | jelly | oblivian: the repos are updated. debian-installer and live iso images are not available yet. |
| 13:31.30 | dalao | if it is a menuitem, I can add it |
| 13:31.43 | oblivian | oh |
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| 13:33.40 | jelly | dalao: you can create a custom .desktop file and put it under, uh, .local/share/applications/ maybe? |
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| 13:34.50 | dalao | jelly, I will try, thank you |
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| 13:42.58 | dalao | jelly, when I watch that directory, I remember that alacarte is menu editor, ðï¸, thank you |
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| 13:45.01 | dalao | how to let desktop display those desktop items, I have modified something in dconf |
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| 13:53.55 | nvz | I'm trying to install to a SATA HDD in a USB3 dock from my Thinkpad T440, the machine this HDD will later boot from is legacy bios. I downloaded the Debian 10 firmware netinstall iso, and at first it had booted in UEFI mode which confused me cause I thought I had that disabled, but after checking I had my UEFI/BIOS set to BOTH and when I set it to Legacy only the installer thumbdrive doesn't show up in the |
| 13:54.01 | nvz | boot list anymore |
| 13:54.10 | nvz | can I boot in UEFI mode and install legacy only or what's the deal here? |
| 13:54.19 | nvz | I thought the installer images booted either way |
| 13:57.55 | nvz | nm, maybe the Optiplex 7010 does have UEFI |
| 14:02.55 | qman__ | should work regardless, only thing required for legacy boot is an MBR bootloader, which you can easily do by hand even if the installer doesn't - the rest of debian doesn't care how you booted |
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| 14:03.42 | nvz | yes I'm familiar but I normally just do the WIDHE install.. I didnt wanna be custom partitioning and bootloadering |
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| 14:10.48 | nvz | I'd asked not because I'm a newbie, but because I'm a lil sleepy and still somewhat inebriated XD |
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| 14:11.25 | nvz | I'll just do it and deal with whatever happens later :P |
| 14:12.08 | dvs | yeah right |
| 14:12.25 | dvs | ;-P |
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| 14:29.13 | xsisec | Hi guys I am debian 9 stretch I cant make grub2 find my Windows 10 with EUFI, I been reading a lots of threads but cant make it work could someone help me out :( |
| 14:29.40 | dvs | os-prober |
| 14:30.00 | xsisec | when I run sudo os-prober nothing happens, |
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| 14:31.29 | dvs | xsisec, I think your Debian installation has to be UEFI if you want it to detect another UEFI installed OS |
| 14:32.18 | xsisec | Oh ok... :( |
| 14:32.29 | xsisec | is it possible to reinstall that afterwards? |
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| 14:34.48 | dvs | Probably, but I haven't tried it. |
| 14:36.52 | EdePopede | hi. i was about to look for jigdo to finally install buster (on the other pc for the moment) but that's a complete mess. there's only a virtual package with that name, a tool which as per jigdo hp is for mantainers, though the package text says something different, and after following a few clicks i always end up at one of the download pages |
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| 14:39.03 | JordiGH | What's the proper way to set an environment variable for my X session? (In this case, `export QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2`) |
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| 14:43.18 | Mathisen | quick question do i need to restart apache service when i have renew my ssl cert ?. does not seem to update on site |
| 14:43.33 | Habbie | Mathisen, i believe you do need to do that, yes |
| 14:43.33 | LtL | Mathisen: no |
| 14:43.37 | Habbie | oh |
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| 14:45.17 | LtL | Mathisen: actually, i could be wrong, a cron job runs every day to test it, as for renewal, i'm not postive, mine renews next month so you may have to. |
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| 14:45.38 | Mathisen | mine > expires in 18 hours and 58 minutes |
| 14:45.52 | Mathisen | but i just renewd it so. just need to get the site to update |
| 14:46.21 | Mathisen | yeah restarted apache worked. |
| 14:47.08 | LtL | Mathisen: you can renew after 60 days instead of 90, with letencrypt. |
| 14:47.24 | Mathisen | i know, i just been on the lazy side :) |
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| 14:48.13 | lord_chris | JordiGH, You set 'export QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2' in the qt5 config file or .bashrc |
| 14:48.46 | JordiGH | lord_chris: Erm, the X server is gonna run my .bashrc? |
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| 14:49.45 | EdePopede | from the jigdo hp: "Debian Jigdo mini-HOWTO Last update by Admin on 2010-04-28 " - linking to the "latest version" of the howto, the host is still there, but no httpd, it seems. |
| 14:50.33 | LtL | Habbie: pardons for the mistake, you were right. |
| 14:50.33 | lord_chris | JordiGH, If you have bash as the shell, then yes |
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| 14:54.35 | jelly | Mathisen: you can just reload apache, no need for a full restart |
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| 14:55.38 | Mathisen | good to know |
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| 14:56.12 | EdePopede | "jigdo creates a bit-exact copy of the original image on the user's machine." and i've just read the opposite on one of the pages i've been. that it does NOT create images (which actually sounded strange, i should have saved the url) |
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| 14:58.07 | Habbie | EdePopede, that page you did not save sounds wrong |
| 14:58.49 | humpled | what kind of copy would not be bit-exact? |
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| 15:01.53 | jelly | humpled: grabbing all the files and creating the iso again |
| 15:03.52 | EdePopede | "A common misconception is that jigdo creates ISO images; it doesn't. Let's discuss the overall process of how jigdo allows you to obtain an ISO image. " |
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| 15:04.03 | EdePopede | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/whyjigdo.html #2.3 |
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| 15:05.22 | EdePopede | and then that jigdo-file vs. jigdo-lite all the time. absolutely confusing. |
| 15:05.53 | EdePopede | " She uses jigdo-lite along with these two files to download Adam's ISO image." |
| 15:06.06 | EdePopede | curl/wget to download an ISO, so why jigdo? |
| 15:06.12 | EdePopede | a horrible text |
| 15:06.14 | jelly | EdePopede: that's like saying a torrent client does not create the images it downloads. |
| 15:06.32 | EdePopede | no idea about torrent |
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| 15:06.59 | jelly | sure, the original image is created by someone else first. And jigdo-lite recreates a copy. |
| 15:07.23 | EdePopede | "When Betty wants to update her CDs, she downloads the new .jigdo and .template files and uses them with jigdo-light to update her copy of the ISO images." |
| 15:07.34 | EdePopede | this tells me that jigdo does work on the local ISO |
| 15:08.06 | jelly | EdePopede: it's a downloader, that can use existing old version as a download-reducing cache. |
| 15:08.44 | EdePopede | jelly: sure, that's the part of the whole thing i understand even without knowing anything about jigdo. but i can't get any more info from the text i find |
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| 15:09.06 | jelly | eh, noone uses it any more |
| 15:09.13 | EdePopede | jigdo looks like a TIAS concept with the hope that it will work |
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| 15:09.34 | jelly | it works, but is a PITA to use |
| 15:09.36 | EdePopede | what, jigdo? is it dead then? |
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| 15:10.34 | jelly | is a tool that works, but that noone needs, dead? |
| 15:11.11 | EdePopede | so how to i get more than those 3 DVDs? order a disk set at debian.org? |
| 15:11.23 | EdePopede | and no, i don't have any clue where i could buy one localle |
| 15:12.17 | EdePopede | i did it in the past, but both book shops are gone now, and the other one which used to even host install parties in the past has calenders now in that area and is a "normal" bookshop now. |
| 15:12.24 | jelly | do you actually need them or is this a rhetorical question? |
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| 15:15.49 | EdePopede | rhetorical atm, i don't even know what they actually contain, would have to grab the list |
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| 15:16.19 | EdePopede | but then there's either no need for them so they could go away, or there is and then they should be available |
| 15:16.34 | jelly | right, thus: "noone needs" |
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| 15:24.56 | Aebian | hi, can someone link my to a man-page where it is explained why my networking creates second ip addresses for eth1 and eth2? My networking config looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/3aSqaWG.png I'm not sure why the host fetches another ip from the dhcp server |
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| 15:27.31 | lord_chris | Aebian, What is the output of ifconfig? |
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| 15:28.51 | Aebian | lord_chris: https://i.imgur.com/p6aRIM8.png |
| 15:29.39 | Aebian | the .2 addresses are as expected, just the other ones .10 and .11 shouldn't be there |
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| 15:31.57 | lord_chris | Aebian, Did you disable dhcp for eth1 and eth2? |
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| 15:33.12 | Aebian | well I set the interface to static, shouldn't that disable dhcp? |
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| 15:34.09 | lord_chris | Aebian, Set eth1 and eth2 DOWN and back to UP |
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| 15:35.37 | lord_chris | Aebian, .10 and .11 is probably the old lease from dhcp |
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| 15:37.20 | Aebian | it isn't |
| 15:37.22 | Aebian | https://i.imgur.com/p8Hvtgv.png |
| 15:38.37 | Aebian | .2 are used but .10 & .11 are used too. My dhcp server has a static entry for the mac addresses and .2 addresses |
| 15:38.51 | Aebian | but not for .10 and .11 |
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| 15:39.51 | lord_chris | Aebian, The command to set secoundary ip address is "ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 up". Try to release .10 ad .11 |
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| 15:43.42 | Aebian | https://i.imgur.com/YUm4QUn.png don't think that's gonna work |
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| 15:49.08 | lord_chris | Aebian, Are .10 and .11 from dhcp as static? |
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| 15:50.43 | lord_chris | Aebian, Is there anything in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ ? |
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| 15:54.10 | Aebian | no, nothing in there and .10 and .11 are leased |
| 15:54.26 | Aebian | they are never set on the dhcp |
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| 15:55.24 | jmcnaught | Did you search syslog or journalctl for the mystery IP addresses? |
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| 15:56.55 | lord_chris | Aebian, I know Raspian which is based on Debian sets static ip address in /etc/dhcpcd.conf. Maybe there is something in the dhcp config. |
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| 16:00.23 | Aebian | this is not the case here |
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| 16:01.20 | m0rd3cai | Got quite the random question. I've found an online solution but doesn't extract the info. I have an mp3 file that plays morse code and I need some software to extract the morse code from the file. |
| 16:01.33 | m0rd3cai | Anyone know of any software that can achieve that |
| 16:02.31 | Aebian | syslog tells that the system requested a dhcp lease and got the .11 from the router |
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| 16:05.11 | ArlequInOut | m0rd3cai, a decoder https://morsecode.scphillips.com/labs/decoder/ , an encoder with audacity http://audacity.238276.n2.nabble.com/New-plug-in-International-Morse-Code-generator-td245185.html |
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| 16:06.08 | lord_chris | Aebian, What happens when you reboot. Do you still get two? |
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| 16:07.39 | Aebian | yes, tried that already |
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| 16:08.03 | Aebian | funny thing is that the mac addresses are the same as the static entry |
| 16:08.31 | Aebian | ah nvm |
| 16:08.33 | Aebian | they are not |
| 16:08.40 | Aebian | that's the issue then |
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| 16:10.03 | lord_chris | Aebian, Hehe. Now I learned something new. Thanks :-) |
| 16:10.29 | Aebian | probably it is because I changed the network devices on the ESXi server |
| 16:10.45 | Aebian | and that swapped the mac addresses |
| 16:11.12 | Aebian | and yup, after the reboot everything back to normal |
| 16:12.11 | Aebian | just changed the static entries across the dhcp servers to reflect the correct ip's |
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| 16:12.21 | m0rd3cai | ArlequInOut: already tried that. Too much ambient background noise. Found out about Sonic Visualizer to play only certain frequencies. Audio stego! |
| 16:13.36 | Primer | Having some issues with compiling a source deb. I downloaded the 4 files (dsc, diff.gz, orig.tar.gz, and its awc), but the same process that worked about 2 weeks ago now fails. Has building source debs changed recently? |
| 16:13.43 | ArlequInOut | m0rd3cai, for stego, use nyquist, the script engine of audacity (a sort of lisp) |
| 16:13.47 | Primer | asc, that is |
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| 16:14.29 | Primer | dh_install: Cannot find (any matches for) "../../build-source/xorg-server.tar.*" (tried in debian/tmp/main, debian/tmp) |
| 16:14.55 | Primer | Yet a section in the rules file clearly has a command that should be making that file. Just not sure it's being called |
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| 16:17.23 | Primer | So if I kick off the process and just run the command manually, it builds to a point where it detects the .so files, and encounters another failure there. The same call to dpkg-buildpackage against the same files last week produced the debs, and now it's failing. I may have moved from buster to testing during that time. Not sure. |
| 16:17.36 | m0rd3cai | ArlequInOut: cool ill check that out. well shit, gave my VM 30 gigs more space but linux doesnt realize it.. wtf. |
| 16:17.56 | m0rd3cai | http://paste.debian.net/1099540/ |
| 16:18.01 | dvs | gparted? |
| 16:18.19 | Primer | Do you expect Linux to format and swapon for you? |
| 16:18.43 | m0rd3cai | never adjust disk size in virtual box before |
| 16:18.46 | m0rd3cai | adjusted* |
| 16:18.59 | m0rd3cai | its show as 30gigs unallocated. there it is |
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| 16:19.12 | digdilem | m0rd3cai, rescan the disk, disk and delete then reecreate the partition, then reboot, then grow the fs |
| 16:19.26 | digdilem | 2nd disk is fdisk in that |
| 16:20.41 | dvs | or backup the image and use a live ISO to run gparted? |
| 16:21.57 | m0rd3cai | thats what im doing. I just couldnt figure out where the hell that 30gig went.\ |
| 16:22.18 | digdilem | until the partition's recreated with the new boundaries, the fs won't be able to see it |
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| 16:22.37 | digdilem | much of my job is doing this on production machines |
| 16:22.59 | digdilem | lvm does make it easier, mind |
| 16:23.06 | dvs | m0rd3cai, yes, you increased the disk size but the partitions aren't going to automatically change its sizes too |
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| 16:24.29 | Primer | Doesn't system detect that nowadays, and resize for us? I've seen this happen on Debian 9 at AWS, IIRC. |
| 16:26.11 | Primer | I've observed this before, but it was upon a reboot, but the same _could_ happen at runtime, even on a mounted disk |
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| 16:31.39 | Primer | So...no one building deps nowadays? |
| 16:31.42 | Primer | debs |
| 16:32.00 | Primer | dsc that worked 2 weeks ago now doesn't...trying to figure out what changed |
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| 17:02.49 | EdePopede | if i plug in the same thumbdrive into the same connector, shouldn't it be either ehci or ohci and stay with it when i repeat it? |
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| 17:13.31 | no_gravity | Funny, I just noticed that ALT+ESC gives me a better window toggler then ALT+TAB. Never noticed that. |
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| 17:26.38 | Primer | When running dpkg-buildpackage...is there no way to get it to pick up where it left off? |
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| 17:34.48 | magic_ninja | looks like synaptic and muon are the only graphical frontends for package managers |
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| 17:50.14 | MsK` | hi! I finally upgraded the machine connected to my tv from jessie to stretch and the buster. However, I can't start X anymore. I used to start it remotely because that machine has no keyboard. But now xinit fails because of a lack of permissions to access the VTs. At first it was a /dev/tty read problem so I added my user to tty but now it says |
| 17:50.15 | MsK` | xf86OpenConsole has permissions denied |
| 17:50.25 | MsK` | any idea how to fix it? X does start if I start with root but... |
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| 17:56.03 | Primer | So you ssh in and run xinit? |
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| 17:56.34 | MsK` | yup |
| 17:56.50 | MsK` | more precisely: xinit kodi --standalone -- -nocursor :0 |
| 17:57.12 | Primer | And what does this report? |
| 17:57.52 | Primer | Specifically, that is |
| 17:59.04 | MsK` | command stderr : http://lywenn.eu.org/bazar/log |
| 17:59.15 | MsK` | xorg log: http://lywenn.eu.org/bazar/Xorg.0.log |
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| 17:59.41 | Primer | Not sure if X/Xorg should still be suid root for this. Checking my own system |
| 18:00.11 | MsK` | I've read stuff about systemd logind that permits running as user but I didn't understand it |
| 18:00.26 | MsK` | and looking for logind returns lots of unrelated results |
| 18:00.35 | Primer | -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 14608 Mar 5 2019 Xorg.wrap |
| 18:00.42 | Primer | Is what runs here, and it's suid root |
| 18:00.50 | Primer | Might want to check that |
| 18:00.59 | MsK` | which directory is this? |
| 18:01.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys is there a way to see how long a process has been running? |
| 18:01.17 | Primer | I did this: which Xorg, it reported /usr/bin/Xorg, which is a script, and followed that |
| 18:01.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | nm it finished already |
| 18:01.53 | Primer | Eryn_1983_FL: Something in /proc/$PID should tell you |
| 18:02.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 18:03.24 | MsK` | indeed it wasn't suid! thanks Primer! I had no idea Xorg was a script and not a binary |
| 18:04.04 | Primer | np |
| 18:04.13 | Primer | It's been like that for a while now, AFAIK |
| 18:05.29 | Primer | Anyone building debs? I'm running into an issue that I didn't run into 2 weeks ago when I made these debs for the first time. I then made the commands into a script I could re-run at will, and it worked then...but now it fails |
| 18:05.44 | Primer | The dsc hasn't changed, but I might have migrated from buster to testing during this time |
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| 18:08.32 | Primer | I'm experiencing two errors: the first is where dh_install is being called and failing because a tarball is missing, one which is created by an entry in debian/rules |
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| 18:09.31 | Primer | The second is some difference in so detection between _something_, presumably the built files, and this udeb |
| 18:10.35 | Primer | https://paste.debian.net/1099549/ |
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| 18:21.58 | gvth | Hi. When a package is in contrib, how do I find out on what proprietary piece of software it depends on? |
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| 18:28.32 | jmcnaught | gvth: you can use "aptitude search ~snon-free~R<package>", or if you want to also get recommends then 'aptitude search "~snon-free (~Rrecommends:<package> | ~R<package>)"' |
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| 18:42.18 | Zabot_ | I've setup a chroot with debootstrap of debian jessie. A handful of commands behave strangely in the chroot and I can't figure out why. A couple examples, login will hang when a successful password is used for a user, apt update will hang, but only when sudoed by a nonroot user that was su'ed into from root. Running apt update as the root user directly from the chroot command works without issue. I've |
| 18:42.19 | Zabot_ | compared the outputs of env in both cases and they're identical. I've also looked at the hang with gdb and found its hanging in a syscall to __read_nocancel. I don't even know where I would begin debugging something like this, any ideas? |
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| 18:42.52 | Primer | So...no one building debs today, eh? dpkg-buildpackage command that worked 2 weeks ago, verbatim today, does not. I'm on testing, and haven't checked to see what packages may have changed, but this would also potentially span a few zfs root datasets |
| 18:43.43 | Primer | Zabot_: DNS lookup? |
| 18:43.50 | Primer | is where I'd start |
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| 18:45.48 | cbthree | my 7 gigabytes root partition is 96% full, what files or directories can i safely remove to free up space? btw, i have already removed old logs from /var/log |
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| 18:46.09 | Primer | cbthree: /var/cache/apt/ |
| 18:46.11 | Primer | err |
| 18:46.27 | cbthree | Primer, apt-get clean all ?? |
| 18:46.36 | Primer | that |
| 18:46.43 | Zabot_ | Primer: What about dns? Resolve.conf is correct, dns server is pingable in both cases, debian.org is resolved successfully. |
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| 18:46.46 | Primer | but you asked for dirs, so... :) |
| 18:47.12 | Primer | He must have typed control w |
| 18:47.25 | cbthree | Primer, i forgot to mentioned that i already have executed apt-get clean all before coming here |
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| 18:48.22 | Primer | cbthree: the other usual candidates are /tmp and /var/tmp, if they're on the same fs |
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| 18:48.46 | Primer | those should be getting cleaned at boot though, no? |
| 18:49.07 | Primer | Not sure if Debian does that. I've seen other distros do that...and have it be an issue |
| 18:49.10 | Zabot_ | Aaand my desktop enviornment decided to crash -_-, did I miss anything in the last 30 seconds? |
| 18:49.21 | Primer | long boot hangs as massive amounts of data get purged from /tmp on boot |
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| 18:50.16 | Primer | Zabot_: seemed you were on the right track with strace. Sounds like you know how to diagnose a DNS hang. |
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| 18:50.42 | Zabot_ | cbthree: Maybe some application specific temp/cache files? I think firefox likes to cache in the home directory |
| 18:50.45 | k1ng | hi, is there anyway to auto accept zfs-dkms license? |
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| 18:51.54 | Zabot_ | cbthree: you could try something like gdmap to get a visualization of disk usage. It makes it pretty easy to pick out what is sucking up drive space |
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| 18:52.29 | Zabot_ | Primer: I'm not even sure it is a dns failure in the first place though, login shouldn't need to do any dns lookups... |
| 18:52.56 | Zabot_ | Unless localhost is borked and thats the lookup thats hanging |
| 18:53.20 | Primer | Zabot_: just saying, what you've described, a lot of times, can be easily identified by doing the same thing with -n |
| 18:53.27 | Primer | for example, route vs route -n |
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| 18:53.36 | Primer | if one hangs and the other doesn't, there's your answer |
| 18:53.53 | Primer | It was only the first thing that came to mind. I may be completely off base :) |
| 18:54.23 | dokma | Keyboard and mouse do not work in XFCE after upgrade to buster. I briefly saw some message in console when I launched Xorg. Is there a way to switch consoles from the command line? |
| 18:54.38 | bitcoinmane | anyone been in here yet to ask yall how chroot works? |
| 18:54.40 | cbthree | any ideas of how can i free up space? |
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| 18:55.37 | bitcoinmane | what do you mean free up space? |
| 18:55.41 | bitcoinmane | you delete files? |
| 18:55.49 | bitcoinmane | rm -rf file |
| 18:55.55 | bitcoinmane | or right click and delete |
| 18:55.56 | bitcoinmane | lol |
| 18:55.59 | Zabot_ | chthree: You could also sudo du -sh /* to get an idea of where most of the uage is |
| 18:56.13 | bitcoinmane | yeah find out whats using the data first |
| 18:56.20 | bitcoinmane | then wipe it |
| 18:56.36 | ratrace | cbthree: ncdu is useful here |
| 18:56.42 | GNU\colossus | better, imo: sudo du -chx / | sort -h |
| 18:56.45 | bitcoinmane | yeah or df, no? |
| 18:56.50 | bitcoinmane | isnt there a better df command? |
| 18:57.09 | cbthree | my 7 gigabytes root partition is 96% full, what files or directories can i safely remove to free up space? btw, i have already removed old logs from /var/log. i also executed apt-get clean all before coming here |
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| 18:57.30 | bitcoinmane | you need to find out which dirs are using most data |
| 18:57.34 | Zabot_ | df shows filesystem usage, you cant see directory usage |
| 18:57.35 | bitcoinmane | then look into them |
| 18:57.38 | bitcoinmane | oh |
| 18:57.54 | bitcoinmane | i thought df had a flag for it though |
| 18:58.02 | digdilem | you might want something like: du -sh * |
| 18:58.26 | digdilem | make it sortable with: du -sh * |sort -hr |
| 18:58.29 | bitcoinmane | or copy your system to a bigger harddrive lol |
| 18:58.34 | ratrace | or use ncdu instead of du |
| 18:58.42 | bitcoinmane | 7GB isnt much for a system |
| 18:58.43 | at0m | cbthree: some time i moved /usr/share/ to another partition, and linked that back. probably an ugly workaround, but worked for me. |
| 18:58.56 | bitcoinmane | he's going to continue to run out of space with 7GB |
| 18:59.00 | Primer | best: du -h --max-depth=1 / |
| 18:59.03 | at0m | bitcoinmane: depends on the machines purpose.. |
| 18:59.03 | bitcoinmane | needs to copy the system to a bigger drive |
| 18:59.08 | bitcoinmane | true |
| 18:59.10 | Primer | then drill down from there |
| 18:59.12 | bitcoinmane | but 7GB is very low |
| 18:59.27 | bitcoinmane | logs alone on something being used is going to cause an issue, id think |
| 18:59.30 | bitcoinmane | needs at least 20 or 40GB |
| 18:59.34 | digdilem | Primer, du -sh does much the same btw |
| 18:59.37 | bitcoinmane | nothing useful uses 7GB lol |
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| 18:59.45 | bitcoinmane | agreed? |
| 18:59.53 | digdilem | no |
| 18:59.57 | Primer | digdilem: nope |
| 18:59.58 | bitcoinmane | ha. |
| 19:00.02 | cbthree | my "hard drive" is a 16GB emmc one (soldered to the motherboard). Cannot upgrade it |
| 19:00.09 | bitcoinmane | i see. |
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| 19:00.30 | bitcoinmane | thats not much space. 7GB. it's going to limit your ability to really do anything good with a system. |
| 19:00.43 | ratrace | depends on the use case |
| 19:00.47 | bitcoinmane | and youre probably going to experience this problem several times, not just once. |
| 19:00.54 | at0m | what's the command to clean out systemd logs again? |
| 19:00.57 | digdilem | bitcoinmane, there's a lot of logic in having many small servers. Load balancers, HA gateways etc |
| 19:00.58 | Primer | oops, I thought I had x in my first one, my bad |
| 19:00.58 | bitcoinmane | yeah but if he doesnt know what to do, itll happen again |
| 19:01.01 | Zabot_ | Yeah, what is the usecase? What about some kind squashfs live system? |
| 19:01.03 | c0d3ninja | @cbthree check out a tool called Bleachbit: https://www.bleachbit.org/ |
| 19:01.09 | bitcoinmane | yeah but itll happen to him again, i promise |
| 19:01.17 | bitcoinmane | he doesnt know how to clean stuff |
| 19:01.18 | at0m | cbthree: check man journalctl then search for --vacuum |
| 19:01.53 | Primer | at0m: hehe you mean that doesn't happen automagically? |
| 19:01.57 | bitcoinmane | he obviously doesn't know what hes doing if hes slapping Debian on 7GB, period. I don't care what you guys say. |
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| 19:02.08 | at0m | Primer: depends on journal settings |
| 19:02.15 | ratrace | I have many debian installations on 5GB, working just fine. |
| 19:02.23 | bitcoinmane | you guys only do that shit to get a thrill out of it |
| 19:02.23 | c0d3ninja | Yeah, Debian definitely needs more than 7GB |
| 19:02.29 | Primer | bitcoinmane: why would you say that? It's not unusual for say, AWS EC2 instances to do so. |
| 19:02.29 | bitcoinmane | for what though? |
| 19:02.34 | Zabot_ | I've put debian on a 4GB flash drive before, its doable. |
| 19:02.38 | bitcoinmane | what can he even install on 7GB? |
| 19:02.43 | c0d3ninja | I have 1TB lol |
| 19:02.44 | bitcoinmane | yeah but pointless |
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| 19:02.56 | bitcoinmane | it will be a very limited system |
| 19:02.59 | bitcoinmane | period |
| 19:03.02 | ratrace | nope |
| 19:03.03 | bitcoinmane | he can't install anything good |
| 19:03.10 | at0m | define good |
| 19:03.10 | ratrace | you're only thinking of big suite desktops |
| 19:03.13 | at0m | games? |
| 19:03.13 | Zabot_ | If you using it as some kind of netbrowser/texteditor/ssh client its perfectly reasonable. |
| 19:03.13 | bitcoinmane | yall will argue this up and down forever, i know |
| 19:03.24 | cbthree | my question is: my root partition is 96% full, what files and directories can i *safely* remove to free up space? |
| 19:03.40 | bitcoinmane | i know this; someone who doesnt know how to delete files will run out of space with 7GB, over, and over again though. |
| 19:03.41 | Primer | cbthree: answer: what you don't need |
| 19:03.55 | Zabot_ | cbthree: It depends on your system and use case. You need to start with figuring out what is using the space. If its all being used by user files, then nothing. |
| 19:03.56 | Primer | up to you to identify that |
| 19:04.02 | at0m | cbthree: docs for example. those can be found online.. |
| 19:04.05 | bitcoinmane | what is his use case? |
| 19:04.11 | bitcoinmane | you guys keep saying that. |
| 19:04.20 | cbthree | all programs i have installed i use and need. i am not editing video on my computer |
| 19:04.22 | bitcoinmane | i can almost bet his use case isn't one that needs 7GB |
| 19:04.30 | bitcoinmane | not if he can't delete files lol |
| 19:04.39 | Primer | bitcoinmane: sounds like a chromebook |
| 19:04.42 | c0d3ninja | bitcoinmane: stop being a dick lol |
| 19:04.42 | bitcoinmane | he probably needs 20 or 40GB |
| 19:04.47 | Primer | or something like that. He said "16G soldered to the MB" |
| 19:04.55 | bitcoinmane | im not really trying to be |
| 19:04.57 | bitcoinmane | just saying |
| 19:05.00 | Zabot_ | cbthree: Okay, do you know how much of that space is being used by your personal files? |
| 19:05.00 | Primer | that's pretty plain, and not too far-fectched as a use-case |
| 19:05.03 | bitcoinmane | hes going to cause himself more problems than good |
| 19:05.04 | cbthree | old logs have been removed , /var/cache/archives too |
| 19:05.16 | cbthree | old logs have been removed , /var/cache/apt/archives too |
| 19:05.23 | bitcoinmane | i doubt its logs. |
| 19:05.29 | bitcoinmane | which dir contains most data? |
| 19:05.45 | ratrace | cbthree: then there's nothing much to *safely* delete, if you've cleaned up logs and caches. only you now know what you can or cannot delete |
| 19:05.53 | at0m | cbthree: systemd doesn't just use /var/log, also see "man journalctl" and look for --vacuum* |
| 19:05.59 | cbthree | personal files? i have a separate /home partition |
| 19:06.07 | bitcoinmane | yeah you home is holding most then |
| 19:06.09 | bitcoinmane | i can bet |
| 19:06.09 | ratrace | cbthree: also see if /tmp is harboring any illegals |
| 19:06.14 | Zabot_ | cbthree: Please run 'sudo du -sh /*' and pastebin it for us. |
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| 19:06.27 | Primer | I had a chromebox I salvaged and had to remove a hardware screw to bypass some crap. It had a hard wired "SSD" no more than 4G, slow as hell. Worked fine. But I put avlinux on it. |
| 19:06.30 | bitcoinmane | who wants to bet its his /home? |
| 19:06.47 | Primer | bitcoinmane: I get there is no separate /home |
| 19:06.54 | Primer | I bet it's all under / |
| 19:07.00 | cbthree | personal files? i have a separate /home partition |
| 19:07.01 | at0m | < cbthree> personal files? i have a separate /home partition |
| 19:07.03 | bitcoinmane | lol |
| 19:07.14 | ratrace | cbthree: can you please do as Zabot_ asked? |
| 19:07.16 | bitcoinmane | his /home partition is probably larger than / |
| 19:07.19 | bitcoinmane | sounds like |
| 19:07.20 | Zabot_ | cbthree: Go ahread and run df -h and pastebin that for us too |
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| 19:07.26 | Primer | Why does it matter? Space is being used, and needs to be freed. It's simple. |
| 19:07.37 | bitcoinmane | probably needs to reinstall better. |
| 19:07.39 | bitcoinmane | lol |
| 19:07.42 | bitcoinmane | or resize |
| 19:07.50 | ratrace | bitcoinmane: do you really have to raid that enter key? |
| 19:08.20 | bitcoinmane | ratrace, walk him through resizing his partitions. haha. |
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| 19:08.47 | at0m | bitcoinmane: no. ratrace is asking cbthree to du first. |
| 19:08.48 | gvth | jmcnaught: thanks |
| 19:08.59 | at0m | bitcoinmane: makes total sense. |
| 19:09.03 | bitcoinmane | yep |
| 19:09.08 | bitcoinmane | i can bet thats his problem |
| 19:09.22 | cbthree | bitcoinmane, my root partition is 7 gigabytes and my /home is 5 gigabytes. Believe it or not my /home partition is just 70% full |
| 19:09.35 | bitcoinmane | oh |
| 19:09.44 | ratrace | cbthree: if you're not gonna do ask asked by several people now, you're on your own. good luck. |
| 19:09.48 | bitcoinmane | what is / at? |
| 19:09.49 | ratrace | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:10.09 | bitcoinmane | did he install too many apps? |
| 19:10.18 | at0m | < Zabot_> cbthree: Please run 'sudo du -sh /*' and pastebin it for us. |
| 19:10.22 | bitcoinmane | yeah |
| 19:10.24 | bitcoinmane | what he said |
| 19:11.02 | bitcoinmane | cbthree, you need to pastebin these dudes outputs so you can see where the space is being used exactly. |
| 19:11.03 | at0m | bitcoinmane you're wiping all useful tips from backlog with your "reinstall" "get bigger disk" nonsense |
| 19:11.07 | Primer | You _can_ run that as a user, but it won't be accurate. Also, use -x |
| 19:11.27 | Primer | du -hx --max-depth=1 /, IMO |
| 19:12.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys i need to remap the 'action' that is normall done by ctrl+c.. |
| 19:12.25 | ratrace | there's also ncdu, very useful tool -- ncurses based du, nicely sorts down dirs by most used |
| 19:12.44 | bitcoinmane | hes probably having trouble using pastebin. |
| 19:12.46 | Primer | Eryn_1983_FL: that "action" is called a signal, SIGINT |
| 19:12.53 | bitcoinmane | can debian not pastebin from command line still? |
| 19:12.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | since i am maping ctrl+c to copy, i can no longer ctrl+c to cancel an command on the cli. now ctrl+C works but i have to use capslock.. |
| 19:13.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah i forgot name. |
| 19:13.13 | Primer | bitcoinmane: apt install pastebinit? |
| 19:13.15 | at0m | bitcoinmane: sure. nc, pastebinit |
| 19:13.20 | bitcoinmane | yeah help him use that |
| 19:13.21 | ratrace | bitcoinmane: no tools needed... <command with output> | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 19:13.57 | Zabot_ | Eryn_1983_FL: You may be better off getting used to using ctrl+shift+c and ctrl+shift+v to copy paste out of a terminal. Most terminal emulators use that by default |
| 19:14.06 | cbthree | https://paste.debian.net/1099555/ |
| 19:14.15 | Primer | Eryn_1983_FL: what Zabot_ wrote ^^^ |
| 19:14.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 19:14.47 | Zabot_ | I find I use ctrl+c to sigint way more than copying anyway |
| 19:15.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah but its annoying to do that zErOaCid |
| 19:15.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | er Zabot_ |
| 19:15.12 | bitcoinmane | that's cool you guys finally added that. i didn't even know. |
| 19:15.14 | Primer | surprise, it's all in /urs |
| 19:15.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | i had it that way and i about went nuts swaping apps. |
| 19:15.20 | Primer | /usr, that is |
| 19:15.33 | bitcoinmane | it posts to debian website too? cool. |
| 19:15.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | one would be shft+ctrl+c and the other ctrl+v |
| 19:15.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | id try to do something in firefox and be doing the wrong combination, |
| 19:15.57 | bitcoinmane | took you guys awhile to finally add it, no? |
| 19:16.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | now i cant cancel a program |
| 19:16.04 | bitcoinmane | seems like every other OS had it before us. |
| 19:16.35 | Primer | Eryn_1983_FL: having used both for 20+ years, I found that adopting what Zabot_ wrote worked best for me. YMMV. |
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| 19:16.55 | Zabot_ | Eryn_1983_FL: You're limited by the fact that ctrl+c can only do one action. So if you do want to keep it as copy, you'll need to rebind sigint |
| 19:17.33 | Zabot_ | Eryn_1983_FL: Actually, I've seen a couple terminal emulators that will automatically copy text to the clipboard when you select it, so thats an option to |
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| 19:18.16 | bitcoinmane | when did you guys add the pastebin app anyways? |
| 19:18.45 | digdilem | cbthree, took you a long time to produce that paste, but yeah, I'm actually going to agree with bitcoinmane. 7gb is not going to be enough for you, you've installed qutie a few programs. Just re-do the machine with some sensible sizes. |
| 19:18.54 | Zabot_ | cbthree: Can you give us 'du -hx --max-depth=1 /usr' |
| 19:18.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmm |
| 19:19.01 | bitcoinmane | HA |
| 19:19.28 | bitcoinmane | i knew it |
| 19:19.39 | bitcoinmane | he needs like 20 or 40 to really test Debian is why |
| 19:20.07 | bitcoinmane | but, since that's not an option, he will need to wipe some apps, i guess. |
| 19:20.08 | cbthree | digdilem, are you telling me to repartition the hd and re-install buster? |
| 19:20.13 | bitcoinmane | or reinstall |
| 19:20.23 | dokma | Anyone know how to switch virtual console from cli? |
| 19:20.25 | bitcoinmane | i'd just do a reinstall bro |
| 19:20.33 | Zabot_ | cbthree: If you don't plan on ever installing any extra programs than what you start with, you could set up a compressed read only rootfs and use an external partition for your home |
| 19:20.45 | bitcoinmane | nice. |
| 19:20.56 | digdilem | cbthree, wipe and reinstall from scratch, probably. Stick everything in one partition if you don't have a reason not to (most people don't - the reasons are largely extinct now) |
| 19:20.56 | Zabot_ | cbthree: Thats pretty involved though |
| 19:21.04 | bitcoinmane | cbthree, you got a thumb drive? |
| 19:21.51 | bitcoinmane | i'd say he needs to reinstall though. it will help him learn. then install less apps. if it happens again, reinstall, install less apps. till he figures it out. |
| 19:22.27 | bitcoinmane | wont hurt him to reinstall the OS till he is blue in the face |
| 19:22.53 | at0m | !reinstall |
| 19:22.53 | dpkg | i guess reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. |
| 19:22.54 | digdilem | idd. we've all buggered up parititons and systems, it's part of learning |
| 19:23.01 | bitcoinmane | yep |
| 19:23.08 | cbthree | https://paste.debian.net/1099557/ |
| 19:23.12 | bitcoinmane | ive wipped entire systems when i was learning that were in production. LOL |
| 19:23.14 | at0m | ouch was more hoping for a "this isnt windows" reinstall answer |
| 19:23.39 | bitcoinmane | there's only 1 way for him to learn the OS though. |
| 19:23.41 | at0m | bitcoinmane: why am i not surprised :p |
| 19:23.56 | at0m | bitcoinmane: yes. fix problems, not reinstall. |
| 19:23.58 | bitcoinmane | i was playing roulette. what can i say? :) |
| 19:24.07 | bitcoinmane | it's up to him. |
| 19:24.21 | bitcoinmane | he needs to learn all of it. |
| 19:24.51 | at0m | bitcoinmane: plenty folks that are chatty in #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:25.01 | bitcoinmane | i, personally learned by reinstalling until i was blue in the face. |
| 19:25.39 | bitcoinmane | thanks |
| 19:25.46 | ratrace | cbthree: I'd say you simply have too much stuff installed for that 7G. you'll have to decide which programs to remove. Which DE are you using? Something big like GNOME and KDE? |
| 19:26.06 | bitcoinmane | probably. xfce would be better for him. or nothing at all. |
| 19:26.09 | cbthree | ratrace, MATE |
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| 19:26.31 | cbthree | i will not uninstall MATE |
| 19:26.49 | bitcoinmane | which GUI are you using mate? |
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| 19:26.53 | ratrace | cbthree: what else? chrome? libreoffice? noto fonts? |
| 19:27.09 | ratrace | bitcoinmane: har har, that joke is worn out |
| 19:27.22 | bitcoinmane | which joke? |
| 19:27.32 | ratrace | the mate joke, mate |
| 19:27.57 | bitcoinmane | have him install xfce instead, no? |
| 19:28.06 | cbthree | i use firefox and libreoffice on daily basis |
| 19:28.24 | bitcoinmane | he doesn't even know if its kde or gnome. |
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| 19:28.39 | cbthree | i also use all the other programs that i have installed on more or less a daily basis |
| 19:28.49 | bitcoinmane | should be an option in the installer to install xfce instead for light systems. |
| 19:29.31 | lord_chris | JWM is a good alternative for light systems |
| 19:29.44 | ratrace | bitcoinmane: he said it was MATE |
| 19:29.51 | bitcoinmane | can we get better options for light systems in the installer though? |
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| 19:30.14 | ratrace | sorry *they said.... I make no assumptions |
| 19:30.14 | bitcoinmane | please? |
| 19:30.15 | cbthree | lord_chris, i have already said i will not uninstall ANY of the programs that i have installed since i use them on a daily basis |
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| 19:30.33 | ratrace | cbthree: you're out of options then |
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| 19:30.48 | bitcoinmane | have him get rid of gnome or kde and go with something lighter. |
| 19:31.06 | bitcoinmane | can we not get that option in the installer, please? |
| 19:31.16 | ratrace | bitcoinmane: which part of they use mate-desktop-environment, don't you understand? |
| 19:31.34 | bitcoinmane | i see. not familiar with that i guess. |
| 19:31.41 | bitcoinmane | it's called mate? |
| 19:31.42 | cbthree | bitcoinmane, i have not installed kde/gnome and therefore i can not remove them |
| 19:31.53 | bitcoinmane | is mate lightweight? |
| 19:31.56 | ratrace | bitcoinmane: https://mate-desktop.org/ |
| 19:32.17 | ratrace | bitcoinmane: it's basically forked gnome 2 |
| 19:32.23 | bitcoinmane | get rid of it then! |
| 19:32.28 | ratrace | + the whole ecosystem of its own it developed |
| 19:32.44 | han_ | hi |
| 19:32.48 | bitcoinmane | can we get an option for xfce or something lightweight in the installer, please? lol |
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| 19:33.00 | ratrace | bitcoinmane: there already is. |
| 19:33.04 | bitcoinmane | cool. |
| 19:33.19 | Mathisen | you could also just install the base system and then manual install what you want |
| 19:33.31 | lord_chris | cbthree, I installed my system form terminal with only JWM and my favorite apps and my total install was 4GiB |
| 19:33.36 | bitcoinmane | how does he go about switching from mate to xfce then? |
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| 19:33.48 | ratrace | they don't with out of space situation like this |
| 19:33.50 | bitcoinmane | or JWM? |
| 19:34.06 | bitcoinmane | so he has to wipe out the GUI, right? to base? |
| 19:34.13 | cbthree | lord_chris, good for you but not for me since i use mate and am very happy with it |
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| 19:34.34 | bitcoinmane | cbthree, you either have to uninstall apps, or change your GUI to something lightweight. |
| 19:35.04 | ratrace | cbthree: you're out of options; you'll need to make some hard decisions. |
| 19:35.34 | lord_chris | cbthree, JWM is very similar to xfce in look and feel, but without the bloatware |
| 19:35.53 | cbthree | or repartition and re-install. Buster is the only OS on my computer. What is the minimum size of /boot/efi that i can get away with on buster? |
| 19:36.03 | Mathisen | cbthree, have you deleted your browser cache ? that can take some serius space |
| 19:36.09 | cbthree | My /boot/efi is 512MB |
| 19:36.14 | cbthree | at present |
| 19:36.20 | ratrace | I wouldn't go lower |
| 19:36.56 | cbthree | My /boot/efi is just 1% full |
| 19:37.24 | ratrace | cbthree: reducing it would be like putting band-aid on a gaping wound |
| 19:38.16 | ratrace | cbthree: what are other partitions on that drive? /home? |
| 19:38.50 | cbthree | If i recreate my /boot/efi and make it 256MB i would be gaining 256MB which woul make my new / partition 89% full |
| 19:39.09 | Primer | desperate |
| 19:39.23 | bitcoinmane | if it was me, i'd blow everything away. install a base system, then install xfce and be done with it. |
| 19:39.40 | cbthree | desperate but not serious (C) 1982 |
| 19:39.49 | ratrace | cbthree: if EFI is before root in sector numbers, then no |
| 19:40.27 | cbthree | gotta go. thanks guys. will be back some other time |
| 19:40.48 | ratrace | with a bigger disk hopefully :) |
| 19:41.02 | bitcoinmane | ha. he could use a thumb drive, copy the disk, then reinstall. |
| 19:41.16 | bitcoinmane | if hes that worried about losing anything. |
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| 19:41.58 | filipg | hi |
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| 19:42.57 | ratrace | bitcoinmane: btw do you know how much space MATE uses? |
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| 19:43.49 | bitcoinmane | no |
| 19:43.57 | bitcoinmane | i would be headless tho |
| 19:44.01 | ratrace | so what are you basing your suggestion to drop mate in favor of xfce? |
| 19:44.05 | bitcoinmane | rarely use xfce |
| 19:44.16 | bitcoinmane | because i like xfce better, period. |
| 19:44.31 | bitcoinmane | on something like that hes better using it headlesss. |
| 19:44.53 | bitcoinmane | how much bigger is mate than xfce? |
| 19:44.56 | ratrace | right. they'll just receive UI graphics telepathically. |
| 19:45.19 | bitcoinmane | you want the truth? he should just throw that chromebook junk away. |
| 19:45.25 | bitcoinmane | who has time for that? |
| 19:45.58 | bitcoinmane | the time he wastes fooling with it, he could take his ass to work and buy something decent. |
| 19:46.17 | bitcoinmane | he can buy a used elitebook on ebay for like 50-100 bucks. |
| 19:47.38 | digdilem | did we in this channel really spend well over an hour repeatedly telling someone their disk was too small? |
| 19:47.54 | digdilem | if that was a troll he did well |
| 19:48.10 | humpled | another option would be a custom live build with persistence, squashfs is quite a bit smaller |
| 19:49.40 | bitcoinmane | either he was poor, or a troll, yes. |
| 19:49.43 | bitcoinmane | some shit i would do. |
| 19:49.46 | humpled | but yer, once you add firefox and libreoffice, the difference between jwm/openbox and mate/xfce is trivial |
| 19:49.52 | ratrace | squashfs wouldn't compress much out of it though |
| 19:50.26 | humpled | well the isos are 2.5GB but won't install to 5GB |
| 19:50.41 | ratrace | actually it would... looking at my root zfs datasets, compressratio is 1.5-1.9 |
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| 19:51.46 | ratrace | but anyway, this was a ridiculous issue. 7G is way too small for a desktop system with things like mate, libreoffice, firefox |
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| 19:52.37 | ratrace | mate alone takes 2.8G according to the installation manual appendix D.2, and xfce ain't much smaller, only ~500MB |
| 19:52.52 | ratrace | (500 smaller, thus 2.3G) |
| 19:53.06 | ratrace | noto fonts alone take around 1G |
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| 19:55.04 | bitcoinmane | he was trying to recover 256mb |
| 19:55.06 | bitcoinmane | lol |
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| 21:44.31 | gvth | I haven't shut down my Debian laptop for weeks (only suspend and hibernate). How do I find out whether there is a new kernel (linu-image) installed that would be used upon the next reboot? |
| 21:45.28 | filipg | m |
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| 21:48.42 | ChmEarl | gvth, check symlinks in / |
| 21:49.00 | gvth | ChmEarl: please be a little more specific |
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| 21:50.39 | gvth | ChmEarl: Ah, "ls -lah /" outputs the line "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Sep 7 22:58 vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-11-amd64". So this is the new kernel that would be booted. Thanks |
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| 21:52.00 | ChmEarl | gvth, cheers |
| 21:54.29 | hop | gvth: not necessarilyâ¦Â your boot loader could point to another kenerl |
| 21:54.32 | hop | kernel |
| 21:54.37 | hop | gvth: why are you asking? |
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| 22:03.34 | gvth | hop: because I want to know whether I have to reboot my system to run a new kernel |
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| 22:04.31 | gvth | hop: but I think ChmEarl 's advice was good |
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| 22:20.39 | Guest010101 | Hey there! I was wondering, is there any go to guide on installing software from source on Debian? I've been googling this for a couple of days already but I can't seem to find a "do this, do that" kind of guide. My main concerns are related to, let's say I have a system with 3 users: root and two more regular users. If I build the software from |
| 22:20.40 | Guest010101 | source, should I do it as root? Is it going to be available for all users? Where should I place it? |
| 22:21.38 | Guest010101 | How do I keep track of programs I install? When it comes to removing them, is it enough with removing the directory where they are? What about dependencies of said program? |
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| 22:21.57 | Guest010101 | I'm using Debian 10 at the moment |
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| 22:30.50 | lord_chris | Guest010101, Use "sudo make install" to install and "sudo make uninstall" to uninstall. |
| 22:31.20 | Guest010101 | lord_chris would that remove dependencies as well? |
| 22:32.28 | lord_chris | Normally you install dependencies as described in the README file |
| 22:33.02 | Guest010101 | so, i'd have to remove every one of em by hand, is that what you're saying? |
| 22:33.09 | lord_chris | yes |
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| 22:34.05 | Guest010101 | i'm sorry i'm new to linux and and tryna figure out all of this. so, where should i do this? should i move the whole untar'd directory to /usr/local/my-new-program? |
| 22:34.18 | Guest010101 | is it gonna be available for all user on my system? |
| 22:35.03 | krumelmonster | I'm trying to do https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Remote, however `fakeroot make rebuild_netboot` fails: Unable to locate package acpi-modules-4.19.0-5-amd64-di |
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| 22:35.50 | lord_chris | Guest010101, Current directory is irrelevant |
| 22:36.06 | krumelmonster | I think the problem ist that my debian mirror ist more up-to-date than the debian installer |
| 22:36.23 | krumelmonster | All I want to do is preseed a netboot image⦠|
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| 22:37.34 | lord_chris | Guest010101, I thick if will be available to all users |
| 22:37.39 | lord_chris | Guest010101, I recommend documenting all manual installs in a txt file |
| 22:38.03 | Guest010101 | re Current directory is irrelevant. how so? |
| 22:38.25 | Guest010101 | exactly what i had in mind re documenting lol. thanks tho |
| 22:38.49 | lord_chris | Guest010101, Installation directories is defined in the installer |
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| 22:39.45 | lord_chris | Guest010101, Same as installing using an .exe file in windows |
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| 22:41.40 | lord_chris | Guest010101, You can also uninstall the software manually by removing the installed files |
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| 22:43.43 | hays | wow huge buster update it seems |
| 22:45.35 | hop | Guest010101: use stow to keep manual install tidy |
| 22:45.55 | hop | Guest010101: don't compile as root, you only have to do the install step as root |
| 22:47.08 | Guest010101 | hop i'll read about stow. thanks! |
| 22:47.48 | Guest010101 | what's the difference b/w compiling as root and as non-root? the root user is the one who's gonna perform the installation anyways, isnt it? |
| 22:50.08 | karlpinc | Guest010101: Well, all part of the same rule: use only the minimal permissions required. So, when compiling as root you're running makefiles and autoconf and this and that and there could be something buried in there that does something, if not malicious then ungood, that wouldn't cause harm if you compiled as an oridinary user. |
| 22:50.36 | karlpinc | hays: A minior release. 10 -> 10.1 |
| 22:50.41 | hays | heh and then you use root to run make install |
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| 22:51.48 | hop | then don't run make install |
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| 22:52.12 | hop | or run `make install` as user and change the ownerships afterwards |
| 22:52.19 | hop | whatever you're comfortable with |
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| 22:56.08 | hays | Guest010101: FHS says generally that /usr/local is the place to do it if you want everyone to have access |
| 22:57.11 | hays | another location is /opt/<program_name> is another place if you want to keep it separate but still available to some users |
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| 22:58.01 | hays | if you are just one user you can make a place for yourself in your $HOME. I like using $HOME/.local |
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| 22:59.11 | mcmx | hi, I just wrote a font package, where do I submit it? |
| 23:00.35 | hays | something like stow can help keep things clean for things in /usr/local or i guess in $HOME/.local |
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| 23:01.59 | hays | Guest010101: man hier to read more detail |
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| 23:38.39 | nvz | idk but I typed rsync -avcHAX --info=progress2 /home/user user@host:/home/user like 25 minutes ago and still all I see is sending incremental file list and no data has been copied |
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| 23:39.22 | Guest010101 | karlpinc hays thank you both! i was afk. i do have one more question re what hays said about installing for one user. i have a root account and two users on the same box. if all the process of locating the files as hop said is automatized by makefile, how can i make the program available only for one user? |
| 23:41.58 | hays | if you are the user, put it in $HOME/.local. If not, use /opt/<program_name> and assign permissions to that user. add to path. |
| 23:42.38 | nvz | hmm it finally seems to have started copying |
| 23:43.16 | hays | when you run ./configure, you can use --prefix=/opt/program_name-version for example |
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| 23:46.23 | nvz | seemed a lil odd that a Core2Duo E8400 w/ 4GB ram and a sata HDD took nearly half an hour just to START ryncing like 240G |
| 23:46.25 | karlpinc | Guest010101: Execpt for a single user you'd want --prefix=/home/youruser/local/ |
| 23:46.55 | karlpinc | nvz: It's all about reading the inodes. Are you rsyncing to a remote location? |
| 23:47.50 | nvz | just the computer sitting right next to it.. the source is wired, the dest is wireless but both on the same lan |
| 23:48.28 | karlpinc | nvz: The dest and source are the same hardware? |
| 23:48.40 | karlpinc | hardware config? |
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| 23:49.28 | nvz | no, the source is a Dell Opti780 Core2Duo 8400 w/4gb ram, the dest is a Dell Opti 7010 Core i5 (2nd gen something or other) with 8GB ram and a brand new segate barracuda compute hdd |
| 23:49.50 | nvz | so the dest is newer/faster |
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| 23:52.00 | nvz | and the Opti780 is Stretch, the Opti7010 is Buster.. but still seemed like an exaggerated start on that :P I was beginning to think it was the options.. I never used progress2 before |
| 23:52.37 | nvz | and I wondered were the -v and --info=progress2 gonna clash |
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