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| 01:24.31 | karlpinc | brutser: Put all of /boot on usb, encrypt your rootfs (etc.) with LUKS and use a detached header that's kept on usb, boot off of usb and be done with it. Hiding the fact that the root fs is LUKS buys you very little. Keep the USB stick and the rest of the box separate (except when booting) and you can lose either one and stay secure. (I don't think the kernel needs /boot for anything to run, does it?) |
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| 01:26.15 | karlpinc | brutser: Unmount /boot and put the stick in your pocket after booting. |
| 01:26.18 | brutser | karlpinc: no, except when updating you need to have it mounted, in case kernel or initrd has updates |
| 01:26.25 | karlpinc | brutser: Sure. |
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| 01:27.53 | brutser | karlpinc: i still might want to continue to try this option with initrd, at least gives me some insight on how to do such things, but i guess you are right, there are simpler and better solutions |
| 01:28.23 | karlpinc | brutser: There's hooks in the initrd you can fuss with. (Again, I think there's good stuff in the readme.debian.) |
| 01:28.45 | brutser | yes i already found some, already added keyfiles to initrd, that works fine |
| 01:29.38 | brutser | just now trying to find out how to encrypt them and more importantly, decrypt at the initramfs phase (so i need openssl support, or gpg at this phase) |
| 01:29.42 | karlpinc | brutser: Again, it all depends on your threat model. But if you're worried about being kidnapped then they'll probably torture out of you everything they need to know anyway. |
| 01:31.05 | brutser | karlpinc: yes i understand, but by playing with these options, at least i know better what my options are - not saying it will improve security much, as you rightly say, they just have to be ready with a gun and initrd is the last thing i think about :) |
| 01:34.54 | brutser | karlpinc: see PM for image example |
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| 01:35.09 | brutser | karlpinc: so basically the external bootloader only boot the signed kernel+initrd |
| 01:35.34 | brutser | rootfs is encrypted, but no signature of luks, just a partition with random data (i know, that's no plausible deniability) |
| 01:35.53 | brutser | that idea is not bad, is it? |
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| 01:37.52 | brutser | karlpinc: the luks.tar.enc is added to the initrd and openssl support is also added to it (i still need figure out how to do that part) |
| 01:38.16 | brutser | anyway, it's just some idea, trying to get that to work, i am sure it will have some security weaknesses |
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| 01:53.20 | hatter_ | Could somebody please point me in the direction to get this : tar zcvf - /var/www/website.com.au/web/ | ssh -i /home/hatter/.ssh/id_rsa hatter@slarti "cat > /storage/backups/website_backups/website/"$(date '+%Y-%m-%d'-website).tar.gz to send me an email notification ? should I be able to pipe it again with tee and write the output to a file also ? |
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| 03:36.15 | annadane | is there any resource that describes the orig.tar.xz and debian.tar.xz when downloading the source from packages? |
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| 03:42.55 | jh001_ | annadane: hi, your verbs have me tilted a bit. can you ask your question a different way or add some (more) context? |
| 03:44.27 | dvs | jh001_, annadane just wants an explanation of that the orig and debian tar files are. |
| 03:44.31 | annadane | jh001_, sure, so if you go to debian's website and browse to a package, the links on the sidebar (or if you "apt source <package>") have a foo.orig.tar.xz and foo.debian.tar.xz. i presume orig is the regular source, the debian.tar.xz are debian patches |
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| 03:45.04 | annadane | i can't think of another explanation really, i guess i'm answering my own question |
| 03:45.25 | Unit193 | .orig.tar.<ext> is the upstream tarball, .debian.tar.xz is the debian/ packaging directory. |
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| 03:53.42 | annadane | right, i see that now |
| 03:53.48 | annadane | debian.tar.xz also has a Patches section |
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| 04:50.42 | Time-Warp | everyone i have breaking news |
| 04:50.55 | Time-Warp | i found a Debian logo in my soup |
| 04:51.17 | Time-Warp | https://i.imgur.com/JaEfpfX.jpg |
| 04:51.55 | diogenes_ | looks like a worm to me :) |
| 04:52.02 | Time-Warp | i dont know what this is |
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| 05:05.04 | annadane | do you have unstable in your sources.list? this is a frankensoup |
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| 05:16.38 | toker | Hi!, Anyone else having 'high memory usage' on Debian 10 (server without gui)? 1GB Ram gets full in ca 1 day, then server OOM-killer starts to work |
| 05:17.13 | toker | Only one small daemon running per server, was working fine in Debian 9 |
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| 05:18.02 | Mo7Qt0 | Hi Which service/daemon? |
| 05:18.25 | toker | On one server its ngircd, on another its syslog-ng, nothing fancy at all |
| 05:19.12 | toker | Raised memory to 2 gb now, will probably crash in 2 days instead |
| 05:19.25 | toker | (By the looks of monitor-system) |
| 05:20.08 | toker | SLAB memory seems to be eating a lot, as it probably should, but please return some when needed =) |
| 05:21.26 | toker | I tried my best google-foo, but can't find anything about it, which is strange, surely a lot of servers must be running buster now |
| 05:22.41 | Mo7Qt0 | You probably saw something unusual in journalctl -b -0 (from the beginning to the current time)? Or in /var /log/ messages? |
| 05:25.10 | toker | Mo7Qt0: No, nothing at all, except 'bash invoked oom-killer:' |
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| 05:26.28 | Mo7Qt0 | Packages installed from debian repository? |
| 05:26.33 | Unit193 | I would say something is certainly wonky with your system, I have a headless box that's been up for 8 days with znc, bind9, dnsdist, a couple irssi, charybdis, and a few other things. It's idling at ~400M usage. |
| 05:26.58 | toker | Mo7Qt0: Yep, packages from standard buster repo |
| 05:27.56 | toker | Unit193: You are running Deb 10? |
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| 05:29.15 | Unit193 | toker: Well that one is technically 11.. |
| 05:29.30 | Mo7Qt0 | toker: maybe u need upgrade system to 10.1 with apt-get dist-upgrade and this solve u problem?..))) |
| 05:30.00 | toker | Unit193: so not running 4.19 kernel? |
| 05:30.14 | toker | Mo7Qt0: OFC its already upgraded to 10.1 =) |
| 05:30.49 | Unit193 | toker: No, when I had buster I had to avoid 4.19 as it caused issues for me. I jumped to 5.0 trunk (from experimental) then something else finally became available. |
| 05:30.54 | toker | I suspect some kind of memory leak here |
| 05:31.54 | toker | But one would THINK that somebody else would have found it, Buster has been out for a while now |
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| 06:05.09 | aypea[1] | rolls a white snooker ball to pzanco. |
| 06:05.41 | annadane | !ask |
| 06:05.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 06:05.43 | annadane | pzanco, ^ |
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| 06:58.46 | BrainWork | im a little scared and concerned. my dedicated server is performing an upgrade from debian 9 to debian 10, and all i did was "apt-get upgrade" |
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| 06:59.01 | BrainWork | i dont even know how its doing this thru a remote ssh |
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| 06:59.25 | BrainWork | is this a new feature of apt, to be able to safely dist-upgrade on the fly? |
| 06:59.43 | BrainWork | or has my hosting provider done something odd with the default apt config in their image? |
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| 07:00.23 | toker | BrainWork: run cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:00.36 | toker | does is say buster or stretch? |
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| 07:01.39 | toker | or perhaps it just says stable |
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| 07:01.58 | toker | deb9 example: deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ stretch main |
| 07:02.51 | BrainWork | stable, and stable-updates |
| 07:02.59 | Unit193 | That'd explain it... |
| 07:03.01 | toker | BrainWork: there is you problem |
| 07:03.02 | toker | =) |
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| 07:08.32 | jusss | debian's default DE is xfce? |
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| 07:10.05 | ratrace | jusss: no, gnome |
| 07:10.08 | BrainWork | well toker on the plus side everything seems to have updated ok, fail2ban had a million changed conflicting configs |
| 07:10.29 | ratrace | jusss: if by default you mean what gets installed when you select desktop task but no DE in specific. |
| 07:10.33 | jusss | ratrace: http://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/debian-cd/10.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 07:10.52 | jusss | there's xfce |
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| 07:14.01 | ratrace | jusss: there's iso with xfce yes. that's orthogonal to your question of "default DE". |
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| 08:02.52 | ]BFG[ | is sysVinit removed already in debian 10 or the init scripts are still usable? |
| 08:03.29 | Unit193 | For the most part still usable. |
| 08:04.59 | jelly | ,f sbin/init |
| 08:06.00 | jelly | ,file sbin/init |
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| 08:36.29 | StyXman | I have a new BT speaker to which i can connect with my phone but not my computer. the computer does not see it at all, it seems |
| 08:37.04 | dunz0r | StyXman: Did you put the speaker in pairing mode? |
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| 08:46.23 | StyXman | of course |
| 08:48.26 | nvz | different speakers work differently some can pair to more than one device, some have a special pairing mode, others just are ready to pair anytime they are turned on and not already paired with another device |
| 08:48.56 | nvz | would be a good idea if the speaker doesnt support mutilple connections to turn off bluetooth on the phone to make sure its not already connected to something |
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| 08:49.52 | nvz | blueman can be a bit wonky at times, there are lower level commands to troubleshoot if searching with blueman doesnt help |
| 08:50.26 | nvz | https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
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| 08:55.51 | StyXman | well, pairing and connecting seem to be different things |
| 08:56.09 | StyXman | I already paired two devices to this speaker |
| 08:56.38 | nvz | yes pairing and connecting are two different things but if a device is paired most systems will connect to it automatically especially mobile systems |
| 08:57.05 | nvz | if the bluetooth is turned on and in range of a paired device it'll connect to it at which point another device cannot discover/pair/connect in most cases |
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| 08:57.37 | nvz | I had a JBL Charge4 that could actually be connected to two devices at once, if one plays it pauses the other |
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| 08:58.15 | nvz | where a cheaper polaroid speaker I have can only be used in any way by one device at a time and if nothing is connected it automatically goes into pairing mode |
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| 08:59.57 | nvz | the pairing is more a discovery and identification process.. it must be done first to allow the devices to connect |
| 09:00.32 | nvz | in some cases there is even an authentication that takes place when pairing |
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| 09:01.48 | istri | Hello everyone. |
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| 09:02.34 | istri | It has been sometime since I've installed debian from scratch. I was messing around with the manual partitioner in the installer, specifically related to encryption. |
| 09:02.46 | StyXman | all other BT devices are off right now |
| 09:03.02 | StyXman | I just put it in pairing mode, but scanning takes ages and no results |
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| 09:03.21 | istri | I noticed an option that specifies: passphrase, or random keyfile. I am assuming this random keyfile is similar to the one used when decrypting swap on boot, but i may be wrong in this assumption |
| 09:03.31 | istri | could someone offer a better description of what this feature is for. |
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| 09:04.38 | istri | In brief: I want full disk encryption using a keyfile, no password. I would prefer setting the keyfile without ever setting a passphrase. I am well aware i can install with a passphrase, and than later attach the keyfile, detach the passphrase but i would like to remove these additoinal steps for several reasons. |
| 09:04.43 | StyXman | I can the neighbor's TV, but not the speaker 20cm away |
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| 09:11.31 | julius_ | hi |
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| 09:16.40 | ayew | bye |
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| 09:24.26 | nvz | StyXman: can you paste the output of hciconfig -a;for i in dev con scan;do hcitool $i;done |
| 09:25.36 | nvz | I couldnt for the life of me figure out how to get the output of hcitool scan into termbin or I'd have just given a full command that'd produce a paste |
| 09:26.05 | nvz | seems like termbin returns before hcitool ever finishes scanning no matter what I do and even with 2>&1 it doesnt ever show any of the output |
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| 09:36.50 | jetscreamer | what's a good description for 'stock debian install borks ipv6 dns out, but only for some sites' to feed dpkg |
| 09:36.59 | jetscreamer | dpkg, what's a good description for 'stock debian install borks ipv6 dns out, but only for some sites' to feed dpkg |
| 09:37.00 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, jetscreamer |
| 09:37.12 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 09:37.16 | jetscreamer | !botsnack |
| 09:37.16 | dpkg | thanks, jetscreamer |
| 09:37.42 | nvz | !wayttd jetscreamer |
| 09:37.42 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, jetscreamer? |
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| 09:38.41 | jetscreamer | figure out a good name for a dpkg factoid |
| 09:39.30 | jetscreamer | earlier i was wondering why dns borks out but only for some sites. was installing ttf-mscorefonts-installer and it borked |
| 09:39.54 | nvz | <jetscreamers imaginary problem> perhaps ? :P |
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| 09:40.01 | jetx | so i changed to inet instead of inet6. worked flawlessly |
| 09:40.23 | jetx | damn i seem to dc from irc a lot. |
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| 09:40.39 | nvz | yeah, sounds like you have issues on your network |
| 09:40.54 | nvz | before you go making factoids on issues they should be confirmed |
| 09:41.17 | jetx | except the 'same dual boot box works fine in windows' thing. |
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| 09:41.41 | nvz | considering you speak of a problem I've never seen or heard of, and also are having issues staying on IRC, I have to doubt you |
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| 09:42.05 | jetx | i can reproduce |
| 09:42.08 | jetx | it |
| 09:42.09 | nvz | the "works in windows" only further hurts your credibility on the matter as far as I'm concerned |
| 09:42.15 | jetx | yeah yeah |
| 09:42.26 | jetx | let's ignore the data |
| 09:42.39 | nvz | of course you can.. a pebcak can always be reproduced if one doesnt replace the user and bang head off keyboard to continue |
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| 09:43.33 | jetx | did i mention the fresh stock debian install? |
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| 09:43.53 | jetx | wait |
| 09:43.59 | jetx | wrong channel |
| 09:44.04 | jetx | i need testing :o |
| 09:44.40 | humpled | i've had wifi cards before that were supposed to do ipv6 but were actually pretty flaky, ended up just using 4 |
| 09:44.47 | humpled | think that's what windows does too |
| 09:45.06 | jetx | stable worked ok but i don't think i installed the fonts or tried to access sourceforg |
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| 09:45.07 | jetx | e |
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| 09:46.28 | jetx | and it's only 'some' sites, which was weird |
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| 10:10.24 | toruvinn | is anyone familiar with the (apt-get) upgrade process? i mean, there are some triggers that cause initramfs/grub2 to be updated/reinstalled. is there one script that is launched when this happens? what im thinking is adding remounting my EFI partition, because i have multiple OSes and i prefer to have EFI mounted ro (in case i suspend 2 disk and boot another OS) |
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| 10:33.29 | julius_ | hi |
| 10:33.36 | julius_ | what is this telling me: https://ideone.com/CGCSzm |
| 10:33.57 | julius_ | i tried to remove libssl1.0.0 but that would remove half of the system |
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| 10:35.13 | colo-work | julius_, 1.) that you should be asking in #ubuntu, not in #debian - 2.) that you probably fubared your sources.list / configured repositories |
| 10:35.14 | bolt | "echo 'ibase=10;obase=2;10' | bc" gives me 1010. Why doesn't "echo 'ibase=2;obase=10;1010' | bc" give me 10? |
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| 10:36.22 | colo-work | bolt, maybe a matter of precedence. this seems to work: echo 'obase=10;ibase=2;1010' | bc |
| 10:37.03 | bolt | colo-work: strange... |
| 10:37.31 | bolt | colo-work: seems you're right. thanks :) |
| 10:37.32 | colo-work | bolt, not really, imo. I guess that ibase also defines which base the input to obase is interpreted in : |
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| 10:39.20 | Haohmaru | mehbuntu |
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| 10:53.29 | uio | Hi, is it possible to see how much data I have used on my Debian machine since X date? |
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| 10:56.02 | BCMM | uio: as in, total data transferred over network interfaces? |
| 10:56.49 | uio | BCMM, Yes: I share the network with a neighbour and would like to know how much I've used. |
| 10:57.19 | BCMM | there are packages you can install to log that sort of thing, but i don't think you can find out retroactively |
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| 10:57.31 | BCMM | (except for total usage since last boot) |
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| 10:58.21 | uio | BCMM, Ah. What one would tell me since last boot? ntop? |
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| 10:58.45 | BCMM | uio: plain old ifconfig will tell you that |
| 10:58.46 | uio | oh ntop is not it repos. |
| 10:58.52 | BCMM | RX and TX bytes |
| 10:59.02 | uio | BCMM, Cool. I'll have to look that up. |
| 10:59.47 | uio | BCMM, What are RX and TX? |
| 11:00.02 | uio | Received and trasnferred? |
| 11:00.04 | Habbie | yes |
| 11:00.06 | shtrb | yes |
| 11:00.08 | Habbie | transmitted i'd say |
| 11:00.14 | BCMM | uio: received and transmitted |
| 11:00.23 | BCMM | downstream/upstream in other words |
| 11:00.36 | uio | Cool. And I'd imagine both count in the calculation of one's total 'data' use? |
| 11:00.51 | BCMM | uio: ask your ISP... |
| 11:00.51 | shtrb | no |
| 11:01.04 | uio | In one hour I'm at about 300M |
| 11:01.17 | uio | shtrb, Ah? Only RX? |
| 11:01.20 | shtrb | no |
| 11:01.21 | BCMM | uio: of course you can't guarantee that every packet you sent or received went to the internet. for example, if you have a NAS on your LAN, that traffic will still get counted |
| 11:01.22 | humpled | nload also shows totals as well as current |
| 11:02.01 | uio | shtrb, TX? |
| 11:02.09 | uio | shtrb, Trex? |
| 11:02.15 | shtrb | You are using some type of a protocol , that will add an overhead for each packet. different ISP will calculate differently. |
| 11:02.20 | BCMM | uio: TX is "transmit" |
| 11:02.33 | humpled | domestic routers usually show their usage since last reboot |
| 11:02.34 | shtrb | You can assume Coef x (RX + TX ) |
| 11:02.41 | uio | shtrb, But it gives an approximate, or a maximum I'd imagine? |
| 11:02.54 | uio | IRC is eating up the Gs! |
| 11:02.57 | uio | lol |
| 11:03.24 | humpled | unlikely |
| 11:03.41 | shtrb | You have some other stuff, NTP (in the background) , daily windows update , daily apt updates, daily e-mail id update |
| 11:04.23 | shtrb | uio, as BCMM said call your ISP to know how they bill you |
| 11:04.26 | uio | Do any of you (!anyone) use a wifi usb key for 3/4G networks? |
| 11:04.32 | shtrb | I do |
| 11:04.45 | uio | shtrb, I share with a neighbour - it's their account. |
| 11:04.49 | uio | shtrb, What do you use? |
| 11:05.00 | shtrb | uio also ##networking will give so much more help in networking , ISP related stuff |
| 11:05.16 | uio | shtrb, Thanks for the channel link! |
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| 11:05.48 | uio | Could there be firmware issues with some hardware here? |
| 11:06.26 | shtrb | uio , I have several sticks (MA180, several huawei ones) |
| 11:07.04 | shtrb | all is possible , but if you are using WiFi + 4G you are bound to have overhead. also ##networking |
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| 11:09.35 | uio | shtrb, lol - they use paste.debian. Is there Windows support in that channel or is it a Debian fief? |
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| 11:11.17 | shtrb | ##networking channel as it's name hint deal with networking issues, your questions seem to be related to network related questions. |
| 11:12.08 | uio | shtrb, They are indeed networking quesitons. And it's the right channel. I just thought it was funny that they use paste.debian! |
| 11:12.11 | uio | :) |
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| 12:06.05 | nulleip | this is still open? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=737043 |
| 12:06.06 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/737043 in iotop (forwarded): «Fails to display processes with non-ascii characters»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-01-29; last modified: 2018-08-18. |
| 12:06.43 | nulleip | I'm getting a lot of iotop errors due to this |
| 12:07.18 | nulleip | Don't know if this is really a python bug or iotop package... |
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| 12:07.32 | colo-work | yay for python 3? 8) |
| 12:07.58 | nulleip | I think iotop should treat the exception anyways... |
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| 12:13.48 | amprxc | #rtorrent |
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| 13:42.25 | embden | hello, I added ALWAYS_SET_PATH and now when I try to add a user to sudoers I have an error message: configuration error - unknown item 'ALWAYS_SET_PATH' (notify administrator) |
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| 13:42.45 | embden | How can I add a user to sudoers? |
| 13:42.53 | greycat | Just ignore that warning. |
| 13:43.59 | embden | ok |
| 13:44.08 | aypea[1] | damn. something is messing with my mouse accel/thresh values something severe |
| 13:46.46 | bouba | hi, anyone had installed "archer t2uh" wifi driver? |
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| 13:56.10 | Akuw | i am trying to copy a lot of files getting a list from remote server |
| 13:56.11 | Akuw | https://paste.debian.net/1099863/ |
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| 13:56.37 | Akuw | got Permission denied |
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| 13:57.12 | openface | how can i mount openbsd under debian i have write/read support in kernel custom kern 5.x |
| 13:57.21 | openface | for ufs/ufs2 |
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| 13:59.35 | jelly | Akuw: can you isolate one specific command that gets the error, preferably without the password wrapper? |
| 14:01.04 | dunz0r | Akuw: Just use an ssh-key instead. ssh-copy-id root@yourserver and be done with it :) |
| 14:01.28 | Akuw | jelly: yes |
| 14:02.49 | Akuw | https://paste.debian.net/1099865/ |
| 14:03.31 | r3m1 | what would happen if I rsyslog files and not restart rsyslog ? Does the system keeps all messages in memory ? will it eventually crash ? |
| 14:03.33 | Akuw | if i echo "$File" i can see the list of paths, that is ok |
| 14:04.17 | Akuw | but, when try to scp i got Permission denied for every file that i try to copy |
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| 14:04.41 | greycat | r3m1: what does "if I rsyslog files" mean? |
| 14:05.12 | r3m1 | if I *delete* files |
| 14:05.26 | r3m1 | if I delete /var/log/syslog for example |
| 14:05.41 | greycat | The files remain on disk as long as rsyslog remains running. They continue taking up space. You just won't be able to read them, at least not easily. |
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| 14:06.11 | greycat | rsyslog will continue writing to them, so they could even grow. |
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| 14:07.53 | tonsofpcs | Hi all, setting up some software that requires PHP 5.5, 5.6, or 7.0, will explicitly not work on 7.1.0 or newer. Just spun up a VM with buster to run it ... is there a way to install old php on buster? |
| 14:08.11 | r3m1 | omg they do ? so you might be in the situation where you can see the file using ls but it is here and growing, until you restart rsyslog and then it will be eventually recreated from scrtach, correct ? |
| 14:08.36 | r3m1 | i mean recreated from an empty file if you previously deleted the file manually |
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| 14:09.33 | jelly | Akuw: can you hardcode one value for $File and reproduce? |
| 14:10.09 | jelly | Akuw: maybe your user really does not have relevant permissions? Do you have remote shell access to check? |
| 14:10.27 | Akuw | yes |
| 14:10.38 | Akuw | i can copy |
| 14:11.00 | Akuw | what i need to to read file get all paths and scp that files |
| 14:11.06 | Akuw | using scp i can copy |
| 14:11.09 | greycat | r3m1: yes, "df" will report very little space left but "du" and "ls" cannot find the files. This happens a lot. |
| 14:11.11 | Akuw | the problem is in script |
| 14:13.24 | jelly | Akuw: "$filelist" will contain all the output of the command. for File in "$filelist" will pass the whole output into File, That won't work. |
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| 14:14.22 | Akuw | then i better to use an array |
| 14:14.25 | Akuw | ? |
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| 14:14.44 | jelly | Akuw: the safe thing to do is separate filenames with \0 and use appropriate measures. If greycat saw your script he'd get hives. |
| 14:15.09 | jelly | yes it's better to use an array. |
| 14:15.16 | Akuw | let me change |
| 14:16.55 | jelly | Akuw: can you use sftp instead of scp? |
| 14:17.08 | Akuw | why? |
| 14:17.50 | jelly | Akuw: you could mount the remote / with sshfs and do everything locally |
| 14:18.17 | Akuw | hummm |
| 14:18.41 | jelly | including log parsing, but even if you decide to do that remote, it'd still be easier to create a file list and rsync two local directories. |
| 14:19.15 | jelly | if you have rsync installed remotely, using that would be performance-sanest option |
| 14:19.56 | Akuw | but i have to copy only file in the list |
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| 14:20.17 | Akuw | the good part about mount is i dont need to ssh login again and again |
| 14:20.19 | jelly | Akuw: you can still create a file list, and tell rsync to only copy those. |
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| 14:20.21 | Akuw | but... |
| 14:20.35 | Akuw | i have to copy from 15 hosts |
| 14:21.13 | jelly | and you can avoid ssh login again and again by using ssh control socket and persist connections. |
| 14:22.15 | jelly | man ssh_config, man ssh, look at ControlMaster and around it |
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| 14:25.00 | BCMM | the best thing about shared ssh connections is rsync tab completion just working instantly |
| 14:25.09 | Akuw | fuse: unknown option `defer_permissions' |
| 14:26.58 | Akuw | has that kind of connection some overload to hosts i am connecting too ? |
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| 14:37.59 | Akuw | ok |
| 14:38.05 | Akuw | all mounted |
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| 14:39.51 | BCMM | Akuw: if anything, shared ssh connections reduce load on the server |
| 14:40.20 | BCMM | making a lot of new ssh connections means spending a fair bit of cpu on handshaking |
| 14:40.34 | Akuw | ok |
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| 16:17.00 | Akuw | to copy files using rsync i have to use --file-from=list ? |
| 16:17.17 | Akuw | rsync -a --files-from=lista dir2 |
| 16:17.24 | Akuw | but is not working |
| 16:17.48 | scwizard | in what manner is it not working? |
| 16:18.27 | scwizard | are you getting an error message? are files being copied that are not on the files list? or are files on the files list not being copied? |
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| 16:20.02 | ratrace | Akuw: you still need the source directory for transfer, the list is relative to it |
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| 16:21.27 | Akuw | yes i saw |
| 16:21.29 | Akuw | thanks |
| 16:21.47 | Akuw | but if lista file has a complete path? |
| 16:22.17 | ratrace | Akuw: leading slashes are removed. it's relative to srcdir always |
| 16:22.58 | Akuw | for example /home/file/image/77/_IM01p12019091009261801E8CF77PPD.jpg |
| 16:23.05 | Akuw | will copy file |
| 16:23.07 | Akuw | ? |
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| 16:23.24 | greycat | if you WANT it to be treated like an absolute path, make the srcdir be / |
| 16:23.26 | ratrace | Akuw: it'll look for ${SRCDIR}/home/file/.... |
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| 16:27.34 | Akuw | something is happening with mounted ssh |
| 16:28.10 | Akuw | when i try to list cursor stay there no list |
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| 16:30.12 | Akuw | i can list /media/user/ |
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| 17:09.37 | toker | Sooo....anyone else having problem with memory leak in Debian 10? |
| 17:10.17 | toker | I see a lot of 'slab' memory that just fills all ram |
| 17:10.57 | toker | 1GB gets full in less than 1 day, surely someone else must see this problem too? |
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| 17:15.00 | ratrace | toker: nope |
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| 17:16.11 | toker | ratrace: do you have monitoring of slab memory? |
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| 17:16.20 | ratrace | toker: slab_cache, yes |
| 17:16.28 | ratrace | standard munin memory plugin |
| 17:16.59 | toker | ok, I use check_mk agent here, and its just getting more and more filled, until server crash |
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| 17:17.19 | toker | https://darkimmortal.com/debian-10-kernel-slab-memory-leak/ |
| 17:17.40 | toker | I'm not sure its the same, but memory is leaking |
| 17:17.51 | ratrace | toker: is your a VM too? |
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| 17:18.03 | toker | yes, but not kvm, esxi 6.7 here |
| 17:18.17 | ratrace | ah. I don't have any VMs, all baremetal servers. |
| 17:18.33 | greycat | !listkeys slab |
| 17:18.34 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'slab' by key returned no results. |
| 17:18.37 | ratrace | wait, I have one, but no monitoring there. lemme check |
| 17:18.43 | toker | ratrace: how long uptime on your servers? |
| 17:19.13 | toker | This problem came when I reinstalled with deb10 instead of deb9 btw, and no upgrade, just clean install |
| 17:19.14 | ratrace | toker: rebooted just yesterday for 10.1 :) but graphing goes two years back, and includes stretch->buster upgrade |
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| 17:19.30 | ratrace | okay, in the KVM VM, nothing weird in /proc/meminfo |
| 17:20.36 | toker | ratrace: how big is Slab in meminfo? |
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| 17:21.23 | toker | One of my vms: uptime 1 day 10:04: Memory Slab: 1656436 kB, SUnreclaim: 1329508 kB |
| 17:21.37 | ratrace | toker: 1-2GB on the production machines |
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| 17:24.54 | toker | ratrace: ok, so strange that no one else has this problem, Buster has been out a while now |
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| 17:27.28 | jhutchins_wk | what package is meminfo in? |
| 17:27.48 | greycat | you've been here long enough to know how to find that out |
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| 17:35.02 | uio | jhutchins_wk, I might be totally wrong, but I think it's in libsys-meminfo-perl. |
| 17:35.04 | jhutchins_wk | I see that it's not a command but a file. |
| 17:35.15 | uio | jhutchins_wk, https://packages.debian.org/buster/libsys-meminfo-perl |
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| 17:36.08 | greycat | well, that's a perl module, not a shell command |
| 17:37.28 | uio | jhutchins_wk, From what I can see in Synaptic, that's the only Buster package that contains 'meminfo'. |
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| 17:40.46 | jhutchins_wk | cat. |
| 17:40.53 | jhutchins_wk | cat /proc/meminfo |
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| 17:41.51 | greycat | ... of course it doesn't have a man page, that would be too useful |
| 17:42.10 | greycat | ah, there's a section in proc(5) |
| 17:42.31 | jhutchins_wk | Seems fairly self-explanitory. |
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| 17:42.52 | greycat | right, "SUnreclaim" is so obvious |
| 17:44.25 | greycat | even more interesting: slabinfo(5) documents /proc/slabinfo but it seems /proc/meminfo didn't deserve its own page |
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| 17:51.07 | Akuw | i just finish ssh mounted |
| 17:51.17 | SerajewelKS | recommendations for server monitoring systems that work well with debian? i've used zabbix before, works fine, setup is kind of a bitch and it's fairly arcane when it comes to adding metrics. |
| 17:51.53 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: been using Munin for many many many years |
| 17:51.55 | michalrus | Hi, can you tell me why when I run `date` on Debian 10, Iâm getting 12-hour AM/PM, and on Debian 8, 24h? Both have Etc/UTC as their timezone. |
| 17:51.57 | Akuw | but path is /home/dir/00/img1.jpg /home/dir/AA/img32.jpg |
| 17:52.05 | michalrus | And how to get rid of 12 h clock? |
| 17:52.09 | Akuw | so what i have to specify to rsync? |
| 17:52.25 | ratrace | Akuw: your question is unclear |
| 17:52.35 | greycat | michalrus: you're in en_US.utf8 ? |
| 17:53.12 | michalrus | greycat: yes, both machines return the same thing in `locale` |
| 17:53.24 | Akuw | i am using this rsync -av --files-from=/home/x/Escritorio/listaImagenes/cl04/cl04-imagenes.txt /media/x/cl04/home/df/image/ /home/x/Escritorio/listaImagenes/cl04/ |
| 17:53.46 | Akuw | but i got No such file or directory (2) |
| 17:53.53 | greycat | michalrus: you can set LC_TIME to some other locale (like C or en_GB.utf8) or you can *attempt* to set a custom LOCPATH, but my attempts to use LOCPATH have not been fully successful, because something's stripping it out and I haven't figured out what. |
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| 17:54.09 | ratrace | Akuw: and what's in cl04-imagenes.txt? Can you give an example? |
| 17:54.21 | michalrus | greycat: ohhhh, so Debian 8 was actually wrong? |
| 17:54.32 | michalrus | Because US uses 12-hour clock, mhmmm |
| 17:54.40 | greycat | michalrus: the en_US locale changed between Debian 9 and 10 |
| 17:54.50 | michalrus | OK |
| 17:55.17 | michalrus | Well, it could infer, that if I set UTC, then Iâm probably interested in 24-hour format⦠:P |
| 17:55.17 | Akuw | "/home/av/image/5F/_VN01p12019090909251701E88A5FVRR1.jpg" |
| 17:55.29 | greycat | https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg741047.html is my attempt. It's not working after startx, though. |
| 17:55.36 | Akuw | "/home/av/image/00/_VN01p12019090909251701E88A5FVRR1.jpg" |
| 17:55.52 | Akuw | after image there are diferent directories names |
| 17:56.00 | ratrace | Akuw: if your --files-from contains ABSOLUTE paths, then your src dir for rsync must be / as greycat told you before |
| 17:56.06 | greycat | Akuw: we told you to use / as the srcdir because the pathnames from --files-from are relative to it |
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| 17:56.31 | ratrace | Akuw: because with what you have now? it's trying /media/x/cl04/home/df/image/home/av/image/5F/_VN01p12019090909251701E88A5FVRR1.jpg |
| 17:56.34 | michalrus | greycat: OK, thank you very much =) |
| 17:56.49 | michalrus | How do I properly set LC_TIME globally on Debian? |
| 17:56.58 | michalrus | Just edit /etc/profile? |
| 17:57.23 | ratrace | Akuw: but watch you, you actually do NOT have absolute paths there. You're obviously sourcing from /media/x/.... so make sure that your source dir + paths in cl04-imagenes.txt COMBINED are correct |
| 17:57.34 | ratrace | %s/watch you/watch out/ |
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| 17:57.45 | greycat | michalrus: https://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables |
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| 17:58.16 | michalrus | Thank you =) |
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| 17:59.53 | Akuw | the pint is path in file comes from a kind of log |
| 18:00.08 | Akuw | so i have to concatenate first part of path? |
| 18:00.22 | ratrace | Akuw: doesn't change the fact that your src dir + paths in --files-from need to exist, when combined |
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| 18:01.01 | ratrace | Akuw: you have to provide such srcdir so that when it combines with paths in cl04-imagenes.txt, the paths actually exist |
| 18:01.22 | Akuw | ratrace: let me test |
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| 18:03.31 | Akuw | rsync -av --files-from=/home/x/Escritorio/listaImagenes/cl04x0001mlc01/cl04x0001mlc01-imagenes.txt /media/x/cl04x0001mlc01/ /home/x/Escritorio/listaImagenes/cl04x0001mlc01/ |
| 18:03.45 | Akuw | path in file /home/avn_scop/image/5F/_VN01p12019090909251701E88A5FVRF1.jpg |
| 18:04.26 | Akuw | failed: No such file or directory (2) |
| 18:04.41 | greycat | it's like you're not even listening |
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| 18:05.05 | Akuw | sorry |
| 18:05.27 | Akuw | what i am doing wrong |
| 18:05.30 | Akuw | cant see it |
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| 18:06.28 | greycat | cd / && rsync -av --files-from=/home/x/Escritorio/listaImagenes/cl04x0001mlc01/cl04x0001mlc01-imagenes.txt . /home/x/Escritorio/listaImagenes/cl04x0001mlc01/ |
| 18:08.16 | Akuw | failed: No such file or directory (2) |
| 18:08.39 | greycat | does /home/x/Escritorio/listaImagenes/cl04x0001mlc01/ exist? |
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| 18:10.40 | Akuw | wait |
| 18:10.59 | Akuw | yes |
| 18:11.05 | Akuw | it has list of files |
| 18:11.32 | Akuw | rsync: link_stat "/ /home/avn_scop/image/B4/_VN01p12019090910145901E88EB4VRR1.jpg" failed: No such file or directory (2) |
| 18:11.38 | greycat | most people don't create users named x so I can never tell how much of your com... AHA!! |
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| 18:11.47 | Akuw | heheheh |
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| 18:11.50 | Akuw | is my user |
| 18:11.51 | Akuw | x |
| 18:12.27 | ratrace | I don't know how to make "src dir + paths in --files-from file need to exist when combined" any more clear. |
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| 18:12.57 | greycat | I even gave him an exact, paste-able command, except that he lied about the username, and therefore about the home directory location... |
| 18:13.15 | greycat | IU don' |
| 18:13.22 | Akuw | x tty7 2019-09-10 14:30 (:0) |
| 18:13.24 | Akuw | is x |
| 18:13.34 | greycat | I don't know why people lie to us about INCONSEQUENTIAL NON-SECRET SHIT like their user names. |
| 18:13.34 | Akuw | i am not lying |
| 18:13.49 | Akuw | greycat: my user name is x |
| 18:14.16 | greycat | does /home/avn_scop/image/B4/_VN01p12019090910145901E88EB4VRR1.jpg exist? |
| 18:14.37 | Akuw | that is mounted |
| 18:15.01 | greycat | I can't tell whether that's a yes or a no. |
| 18:15.20 | Akuw | wait |
| 18:15.22 | ratrace | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.29 | Akuw | i will show all path |
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| 18:16.14 | Akuw | "/media/x/cl04x0001mlc01/home/avn_scop/image" |
| 18:16.27 | greycat | and what is that? |
| 18:16.51 | ratrace | Akuw: rsync <options> --files-from=.... /media/x/cl04x0001mlc01/ /..destination.. |
| 18:17.15 | ratrace | Akuw: because, like we said: /media/x/cl04x0001mlc01/ + /home/avn_scop/image/B4/_VN01p12019090910145901E88EB4VRR1.jpg needs to exist |
| 18:17.21 | Akuw | because cl04x0001mlc01 is the folder where i mounted |
| 18:17.21 | greycat | yeah, something like that, since apparently you neglected to tell us that the pathnames in your file list were not COMPLETE |
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| 18:17.44 | Akuw | i pass all path |
| 18:17.54 | Akuw | let me show you mounted |
| 18:18.00 | ratrace | Akuw: /media/x/cl04x0001mlc01/ + /home/avn_scop/image/B4/_VN01p12019090910145901E88EB4VRR1.jpg = /media/x/cl04x0001mlc01/home/avn_scop/image/B4/_VN01p12019090910145901E88EB4VRR1.jpg |
| 18:18.06 | Akuw | root@10.3.96.5:/ on /media/x/cl04x0001mlc01 type fuse.sshfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,allow_other) |
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| 18:21.14 | Akuw | ratrace: rsync -av --files-from=/home/x/Escritorio/listaImagenes/cl04x0001mlc01/cl04x0001mlc01-imagenes.txt /media/x/cl04x0001mlc01/ /home/x/Escritorio/listaImagenes/cl04x0001mlc01/ |
| 18:21.28 | Akuw | ? |
| 18:21.39 | ratrace | Akuw: yes, assuming what I said above. |
| 18:21.59 | Akuw | failed: No such file or directory (2) |
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| 18:23.08 | ratrace | Akuw: please pastebin the FULL output from rsync |
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| 18:24.20 | Akuw | https://paste.debian.net/1099925/ |
| 18:24.43 | ratrace | Akuw: why is there a space in that path? |
| 18:24.58 | ratrace | do you have a space at the beginning of each line in your files list file? |
| 18:24.59 | greycat | I suspect there are leading spaces in his txt file |
| 18:25.02 | ratrace | ya |
| 18:25.13 | ratrace | one would think rsync would trim them |
| 18:25.22 | Akuw | yes |
| 18:25.35 | ratrace | Akuw: remove it and try again? |
| 18:25.37 | greycat | files are allowed to begin with spaces, so rsync can't just decide to trim them without being told to |
| 18:25.51 | Akuw | ok |
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| 18:28.41 | Akuw | rsync: link_stat "/media/x/cl04x0001mlc01/HFTP79" failed: No such file or directory (2) |
| 18:28.47 | Akuw | i removed space |
| 18:29.14 | greycat | There is no HFT in your first paste. |
| 18:29.39 | Akuw | no |
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| 18:29.44 | Akuw | what is that |
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| 18:31.02 | ratrace | flips table and goes home |
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| 18:31.33 | greycat | So either you added this HFTP79 thing to the txt file, or you didn't show the whole output of rsync the first time. |
| 18:31.42 | Akuw | no |
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| 18:31.49 | Akuw | i just delete space |
| 18:32.01 | Akuw | did not change anything |
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| 18:32.20 | Akuw | rsync -av --files-from=/home/x/Escritorio/listaImagenes/cl04x0001mlc01/cl04x0001mlc01-imagenes.txt /media/x/cl04x0001mlc01/ /home/x/Escritorio/listaImagenes/cl04x0001mlc01/ |
| 18:32.54 | Akuw | it stay building file list ... some seconds and after that show some lines with that error |
| 18:32.56 | Akuw | and stop |
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| 18:33.14 | greycat | Did you try READING THE ERROR? |
| 18:33.22 | greycat | Or do you just paste it AT US for US TO READ IT FOR YOU? |
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| 18:34.58 | Akuw | i lost vpn connection, wait |
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| 18:35.17 | Akuw | when that happen i can do ls in /media/x/ |
| 18:35.30 | Akuw | why? |
| 18:35.39 | Akuw | last time i have to restart computer |
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| 18:40.24 | Akuw | i have to restart |
| 18:40.26 | gintonyc | hi, i'm looking for the best way to configure automatic updates on 15 debian's servers. I want launch it at a specific date and time. Do you think the better way is to configure cron with scripts ? I saw Unattended Upgrades but it's random time. Thanks (just for information, i will use apt-cacher-ng) |
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| 18:40.51 | gintonyc | (date = day of the week in my sentence) |
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| 18:42.09 | SerajewelKS | unattended-upgrades is random-ish so that every debian box in the world isn't hitting the mirrors at the same time |
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| 18:43.59 | gintonyc | Yes but i don't have the choice of the time, it's not a long time window... But the "debian box" didn't choice the same hour ? :D (if it's not a default parameter) |
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| 18:44.07 | brutser | hi, i am installing a debian buster on an SD card, what would be the ideal partitioning? would i need a swap partition? (system has 16GB of RAM) |
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| 18:44.25 | Akuw | i am back |
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| 18:46.51 | SerajewelKS | gintonyc: actually i'm not sure it runs at a random time, i have it on a server here and i can't find any timer or cronjob that would start it... |
| 18:47.14 | SerajewelKS | gintonyc: it looks like it runs on shutdown by default |
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| 18:50.48 | gintonyc | https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
| 18:51.01 | gintonyc | it can be change with sstemd/apt |
| 18:51.04 | Akuw | why this rsync: link_stat "/media/x/cl04x0001mlc01/HFTP79" failed: No such file or directory (2) ? |
| 18:51.18 | Akuw | HFTP79 is not in path |
| 18:53.28 | ratrace | Akuw: only you know what's in that list of files. Now you know the principle of how it works, figure it out. |
| 18:53.43 | greycat | ... oh my god, /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat is horrible |
| 18:53.47 | Akuw | i showed you |
| 18:54.24 | ratrace | Akuw: that was all of it? all the files you need to rsync? |
| 18:55.50 | Akuw | is a log list but there is not any HFTP79 |
| 18:56.26 | Akuw | this is content https://paste.debian.net/1099935/ |
| 18:56.28 | greycat | "I'm going to write this in /bin/sh and then try to use $RANDOM which is bash only, knowing it will probably fail, and then I'm going to act surprised that it failed, and run some rube goldberg crap pipeline to pull bytes out of /dev/urandom and convert them to usable form" |
| 18:56.31 | ratrace | Akuw: check again. grep -i hftp97 cl04x0001mlc01-imagenes.txt |
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| 18:57.04 | greycat | "All so I can SLEEP FOR SEVERAL MINUTES before doing my job, instead of just, y'know, scheduling the job at a specific time in cron" |
| 18:57.12 | Akuw | none |
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| 18:57.29 | Akuw | ratrace: none |
| 18:58.11 | ratrace | greycat: function dilbert_random() { return 9; } // you never know |
| 18:58.28 | greycat | I have that on one of my wiki pages. |
| 18:58.38 | ratrace | :) xkcd has a variant with 4 |
| 18:59.16 | greycat | or... thought I did |
| 18:59.16 | Akuw | ratrace: what could be |
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| 18:59.27 | ratrace | Akuw: is it possible there are some... non-printable charactres in those filenames that then corrupt the file list? |
| 18:59.41 | Akuw | no |
| 18:59.54 | ratrace | well there must be something, rsync didn't pull it out of its..... hat. |
| 19:00.28 | greycat | ah, wasn't on my wiki. it's on one of my static pages, a VERY old one. |
| 19:01.11 | ratrace | Akuw: cat cl04x0001mlc01-imagenes.txt | while read F; do [ -f "$F" ] || echo "file doesn't exist: $F" ; done |
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| 19:01.35 | ratrace | Akuw: you must cd in that srcdir you use for rsync |
| 19:02.01 | Akuw | file doesn't exist: /home/avn_scop/image/1E/_VN01p12019090920580301E8BA1EVRF1.jpg |
| 19:02.09 | Akuw | the comand you sent |
| 19:02.32 | greycat | probably need to change the test to -f "./$F" |
| 19:03.10 | ratrace | greycat: yeah you're right. Akuw: change as greycat suggested |
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| 19:03.46 | greycat | and make sure you cd first, because I am not sure you saw it the first time |
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| 19:04.54 | ratrace | greycat: I'm guessing, if they can't figure that out themselves.... there's no way we can do anything through this medium. |
| 19:05.14 | greycat | I'm also guessing that they can't figure this out for themselves. |
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| 19:06.23 | greycat | ... ok, so the crappy-shell-random-sleep rubbish in apt-compat is only used on non-systemd systems, and the real thing that's used on regular systems is done by a systemd timer, documented in the wiki and otherwise VERY difficult to find |
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| 19:11.34 | Akuw | damm |
| 19:11.51 | Akuw | mounting ssh appear not to work fine |
| 19:12.51 | Akuw | after some time i cant list /media/x |
| 19:13.01 | humpled | hmm |
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| 19:13.49 | Akuw | i try to do ls /home/x and do nothing and i have to close terminal |
| 19:13.51 | Akuw | is like hang |
| 19:15.09 | ratrace | Akuw: btw, you do know you can rsync over ssh, yes? |
| 19:15.24 | Akuw | yes |
| 19:15.36 | Akuw | the problem is i mounted |
| 19:15.36 | ratrace | kk |
| 19:15.55 | Akuw | after sometime i cant list /media/x |
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| 19:16.13 | ratrace | so don't use sshfs then, rsync over ssh |
| 19:16.50 | Akuw | ratrace: what do you mean |
| 19:17.09 | Akuw | i have to stablish ssh then user rsync? how? |
| 19:17.24 | greycat | ... *plonk* |
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| 19:18.24 | ratrace | Akuw: but you just said you knew how |
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| 19:42.18 | siouxscout | you logged in remotly via ssh and want to copy the file to another remote host? |
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| 19:45.05 | ratrace | Akuw: ... ssh root@10.3.96.5:/ ... |
| 19:45.21 | Akuw | to the computer from where i am loggin |
| 19:45.33 | ratrace | there's also a manpage srsly worth reading through |
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| 19:46.20 | Akuw | |woriking |
| 19:46.50 | Akuw | is there a way i can put all copied files in same directory? actually this create all folders |
| 19:46.57 | Akuw | i know is rsync |
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| 19:50.04 | brutser | what in general is the difference between: gpg --cipher-algo AES256 --symmetric filename.tar.gz AND openssl aes-256-cbc enc -a -salt -in filename.tar.gz -out filename.tar.gz.enc ? and what should you advise me to use if i just want encrypt a bunch of files? |
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| 19:51.38 | Akuw | rsync read the file from top to button to copy? |
| 19:51.47 | Akuw | in same order of lines? |
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| 19:54.58 | karlpinc | brutser: I don't know what AES256 does with gpg. You always want to use salt or else you're subject to a rainbow table attack. I suggest, say a wikipedia article on encryption. |
| 19:56.32 | brutser | karlpinc: yes. i found this article > https://blog.fugoes.xyz/2018/11/16/LUKS-Encrypted-Root-with-GPG-Smartcard.html - it does quite something similar as we talked about yesterday (by the way, if you replied me, i was afk and my laptop got disconnected) |
| 19:57.18 | brutser | just the article use a public private key pair for gpg, which for my usecase is a bit too much, a strong passphrase to decrypt the keyfiles is more than enough i think |
| 19:57.44 | brutser | so now i am doubting whether to add the gpg binaries or openssl binaries to initramfs |
| 19:57.58 | brutser | and also, how i prompt for the password during initramfs phase, which is not trivial it seems |
| 20:02.07 | Akuw | is there a way i can put all copied files in same directory? actually this create all folders |
| 20:02.28 | Akuw | i dont need all folders, jut put all images in one folder |
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| 20:15.53 | siouxscout | Akuw: Why not just copy them all first then you can easily grab all images and put them in one folder |
| 20:16.18 | Akuw | copying |
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| 20:19.03 | ws2k3 | how can i delete a file that is called -d-le.pem ? |
| 20:19.15 | greycat | rm -- -d-le.pem |
| 20:19.18 | Habbie | ws2k3, rm ./-d-le.pem |
| 20:19.20 | Habbie | ws2k3, or that |
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| 20:20.13 | ws2k3 | thanks you greycat and Habbie. debian is seriously the greatest distro and community ever :D |
| 20:20.19 | Habbie | :) |
| 20:20.47 | annadane | nod |
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| 21:00.57 | premoboss | hello |
| 21:03.05 | premoboss | i have the need to search a exadecimal string into a several file into several directories. I will like to kno it there is some "dirty trick" in bash to do this search. I will like to know everi occorence of a exadecimal string is inside a file, in what position of the file. |
| 21:04.02 | greycat | first of all, it's hexadecimal; we're not Cockneys |
| 21:04.18 | premoboss | i miss the "h", sorry. |
| 21:04.59 | greycat | I take it from the context of your question that these are NOT text files, you are NOT searching for a string of text, and simply getting a line number would NOT suffice? You want, what, a byte offset? |
| 21:05.35 | premoboss | well, they are binary files. to know the offset is better. |
| 21:06.10 | premoboss | i.e. a report as "string 12ab4 is in file foo starting at byte 3420. |
| 21:06.16 | premoboss | some like that if possible. |
| 21:06.20 | Habbie | premoboss, and by 'hexadecimal string' you mean 'find the bytes corresponding to the binary string that the hexadecimal string encodes'? |
| 21:06.40 | Habbie | as a nitpick, 12ab4 is 5 long which is odd and therefore wrong |
| 21:07.12 | Habbie | grep has -b (and on top of that -o) to report byte offsets |
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| 21:07.26 | Habbie | now you just need to get your 'hex' string into it |
| 21:07.41 | greycat | unless he actually means the string "12ab4" which would be something like 31 32 61 62 34 in hex |
| 21:07.52 | premoboss | Habbie, i give the string of byte tat i search for "123ab" or whatever, and i should receive as return all the offset that report the string start into the file. |
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| 21:08.05 | premoboss | greycat, yes. |
| 21:08.17 | greycat | *sigh* gods, it's like pulling teeth |
| 21:08.20 | Habbie | yes? then grep can do it easily |
| 21:08.27 | premoboss | sorry if i am not able to explain correctly the question :-/ |
| 21:08.49 | greycat | can your string be "zebra" or "-----"? |
| 21:08.49 | Habbie | premoboss, can you tell us an actual hex string you would be searching for? |
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| 21:09.34 | premoboss | Habbie, the string is variable, let say "12a" as example. |
| 21:09.45 | greycat | cries |
| 21:09.49 | Habbie | so are you looking for the 3 byte string '12a'? |
| 21:09.59 | hop | greycat: right there with you |
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| 21:10.02 | greycat | can you PLEASE use an example that contains something other than a HEX DIGIT |
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| 21:10.13 | premoboss | it can be 3, 4 or more bytes. |
| 21:10.23 | Habbie | premoboss, ok, so why are you saying hex? |
| 21:10.24 | greycat | can it be "FOX" ? |
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| 21:12.04 | premoboss | what i am looking into the file is the hexadecimal rapresentatio on a decimal umber, so if i am searcing 256 decimal, i must searc as hexadecimal the string "0100". |
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| 21:12.25 | premoboss | what i am looking into the file is the hexadecimal rapresentation on a decimal number, so if i am searching 256 decimal, i must search as hexadecimal the string "0100". |
| 21:12.33 | Habbie | so how many bytes would that be in the file? |
| 21:12.38 | hop | o.O |
| 21:12.45 | greycat | that's only two bytes, but you said it had to be 3, 4 or more |
| 21:12.59 | hop | that's a nibble |
| 21:13.20 | greycat | a nybble is 4 bits, half a byte |
| 21:13.36 | hop | <- being facecious |
| 21:13.44 | greycat | a hex digit is also 4 bits, or 1 nybble. it takes 2 hex digits to make a byte. |
| 21:13.47 | Habbie | (facetious) |
| 21:13.54 | hop | that one |
| 21:13.55 | premoboss | graycat, the rance of the searched bytes can be up to 65535 (decimal). |
| 21:14.04 | greycat | GIVE. A REAL. EXAMPLE. |
| 21:14.13 | Habbie | premoboss, for 256, or '0100', how many bytes would that be in the files your searching in? |
| 21:14.17 | premoboss | ok. give me tome. |
| 21:14.26 | greycat | You shouldn't NEED TIME. |
| 21:14.28 | Habbie | *you're |
| 21:14.30 | greycat | You shoudl HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW |
| 21:14.42 | greycat | It should be the thing that BROUGHT YOU HEER |
| 21:15.24 | hop | hear? |
| 21:15.28 | greycat | HERE |
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| 21:16.00 | premoboss | let say the file is "01234567890ABCC0123". I am looking to find "12". so the search should report me: "find 12 at position 1, 16". |
| 21:16.12 | premoboss | fount, not find. sorry |
| 21:16.14 | greycat | I can't. I just cannot. |
| 21:16.16 | greycat | bye. |
| 21:16.26 | Habbie | premoboss, how many bytes is that file? |
| 21:16.44 | premoboss | Habbie, size of file is unknown. |
| 21:16.47 | Habbie | no |
| 21:16.54 | Habbie | you said 'lets say the file is ...' |
| 21:16.58 | Habbie | how many bytes is -that- file |
| 21:17.00 | premoboss | but they can be not more than 100-200K |
| 21:18.33 | Habbie | $ echo 01234567890ABCC0123 > myfile ; grep -bo 12 myfile |
| 21:18.35 | Habbie | 1:12 |
| 21:18.37 | Habbie | 16:12 |
| 21:18.41 | Habbie | is this what you are looking for? |
| 21:18.47 | premoboss | Wow! |
| 21:19.05 | premoboss | so easy? |
| 21:19.10 | Habbie | please understand that nothing about this example cares that things are hexadecimal |
| 21:19.11 | J_C | so easy |
| 21:19.11 | premoboss | tanks! |
| 21:19.22 | premoboss | thanks! |
| 21:19.25 | J_C | tanks? where?! oh god they've found me! |
| 21:19.29 | Habbie | and that most of the confusion came from you saying 'binary' |
| 21:19.34 | Habbie | this file is not 'binary' at all |
| 21:19.39 | hop | i'm dying |
| 21:20.23 | annadane | "why is greycat so upset all the t- oh." |
| 21:20.52 | premoboss | annadane, becaus people like me give question in so unclear way. |
| 21:22.22 | J_C | being upset is usually a repercussion of being able to think coherently :( |
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| 21:25.12 | stnv | I miss irc so much... thanks for the tanks |
| 21:25.46 | APic | IRC > * |
| 21:25.49 | APic | srsly |
| 21:26.01 | APic | has moar than 200 Channel-Windows open in my irssi ⥠|
| 21:27.22 | premoboss | stnv, no problem, when you are looking for any king of typoes, i am the right person. |
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| 21:28.50 | stnv | well.. it was not about the typo.. it was this way of joking that is hard to reproduce in the 'modern' social media.. fb or twitter |
| 21:29.14 | brutser | i have lvm luks encrypted /dev/sda, when i do blkid i don't see UUID of /dev/sda, but only for the LVM, i need to enter UUID in crypttab, should i use the UUID of the PV? |
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| 21:30.44 | skierpage | I'm trying to find upstream for the Debian package xsel. https://wiki.debian.org/debian/upstream sounds promising, "This directory contains files describing the upstream project that is packaged". But it lists no packages! Is it describing some directory outside the wiki? I'm completely confused. |
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| 21:33.42 | epsilon | brutser: usually you create a partition (/dev/sda1), then crypt it and then LVM on top |
| 21:33.59 | tdn | What is the easiest way of obtaining a recent version of libreoffice in Debian 9? Using some backports? If so, from where? |
| 21:35.18 | annadane | yeah, use stretch-backports |
| 21:35.20 | brutser | epsilon: yes, but here i encrypted the whole device /dev/sda |
| 21:35.29 | tdn | annadane, how? |
| 21:35.49 | annadane | just add deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-backports main to your sources.list |
| 21:36.06 | APic | skierpage: When i do âapt-get source xselâ, it fetches xsel_1.2.0+git9bfc13d.20180109.orig.tar.gz among other Stuffs |
| 21:36.32 | annadane | ,v libreoffice |
| 21:36.33 | judd | Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u11; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u12; stretch: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u10; stretch-security: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u11; stretch-backports: 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u2~bpo9+1; buster: 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u3; buster-security: 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u4; bullseye: 1:6.3.0-2; sid: 1:6.3.0-2; buster-backports: 1:6.3.1-1~bpo10+1 |
| 21:36.34 | tdn | annadane, but I only want to install libreoffice in a new version. Wont this make the next "apt update && apt upgrade" upgrade a bunch of packages on my system? |
| 21:36.46 | annadane | no, they'll be separated |
| 21:37.27 | annadane | anyhow, libreoffice in backports isn't *the* most up to date so i don't know what you're looking for, but it's *newer* |
| 21:37.32 | annadane | than the default in stretch |
| 21:37.41 | tdn | annadane, then how do I install loffice from backports? I mean, I will have to specify that I want this one package from backports, right? |
| 21:37.52 | annadane | apt -t stretch-backports install libreoffice |
| 21:37.54 | tdn | annadane, it is probably ok |
| 21:37.57 | tdn | Ah! |
| 21:38.02 | skierpage | APic: OK, but does something in that apt info give a URL for the upstream project for bug reports and such? (Google suggests that for xsel it's https://github.com/kfish/xsel/ ) |
| 21:38.05 | annadane | sorry, could be a bit more detailed |
| 21:38.16 | tdn | annadane, so if I do not specify -t stretch-packports, this source will never be used? |
| 21:38.24 | annadane | right |
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| 21:39.09 | somiaj | tdn: with one small cavet, once you install something from stretch-backports, if stretch-backports gets an upgrade, the new upgrade is isntalled without adding the -t stretch-backports line |
| 21:39.22 | tdn | somiaj, ok. Thanks |
| 21:39.24 | epsilon | brutser: then try "/dev/sda" instead of "UUID=xxxxxxxx", look at man crypttab with examples |
| 21:39.50 | brutser | epsilon: yes i can use /dev/sda, but i rather use UUID for obvious reasons |
| 21:41.11 | tdn | annadane, somiaj : I seem to end up in a dependency chain: http://paste.yt/p8883.html |
| 21:41.37 | tdn | It keeps stopping at dependend packages. Shouldnt I just be able to install the metapackage? |
| 21:41.50 | annadane | tdn, just apt -t stretch-backports install libreoffice |
| 21:41.56 | annadane | it's a metapackage that'll install the others |
| 21:41.58 | APic | skierpage: Nah, it seems to leech the .orig from âdebian/pool/main/x/xselâ inside the Debian-Mirror. It also says i shall use âgit clone https://salsa.debian.org/debian/xsel.gitâ for a moar current Version |
| 21:42.07 | tdn | annadane, I did that, then it said it was missing -core |
| 21:42.28 | tdn | annadane, http://paste.yt/p8884.html |
| 21:42.34 | brutser | epsilon: other guy suggested me to use cryptsetup luksDump /dev/sda > that will give the UUID to use ;) just FYI |
| 21:42.41 | tdn | annadane, then I added that. And I just kept adding packages that it complains about |
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| 21:42.50 | tdn | annadane, but this will take forever and does not seem right |
| 21:42.54 | annadane | uhhh. |
| 21:43.01 | annadane | someone else? lol |
| 21:43.10 | annadane | i have no idea, i'm sorry |
| 21:43.17 | APic | skierpage: You could try comparing that Debian-xsel.git with the kfish/xsel one at GITHub |
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| 21:43.40 | APic | skierpage: And if it does not differ much, i would just report Bugs to the kfish/xsel-GITHub-Repo |
| 21:43.45 | tdn | somiaj, do you have any idea why I cannot install the meta package? |
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| 21:45.11 | APic | skierpage: Inside the Source i fetched with âapt-get sourceâ it lists http://www.vergenet.net/~conrad/software/xsel/ as the Project-Homepage |
| 21:45.36 | APic | skierpage: But You should probably use unstable to be sure to get the current one, i only have testing here |
| 21:46.24 | skierpage | APic: thanks for the education, lovely! |
| 21:46.29 | somiaj | tdn: it says you have held/broken packages, have you tried 'apt -f install' |
| 21:47.00 | tdn | somiaj, yes. |
| 21:47.05 | tdn | somiaj, nothing pending |
| 21:47.08 | somiaj | and it found no problems? |
| 21:47.14 | tdn | somiaj, no problems |
| 21:47.16 | APic | skierpage: That Page even has âgit clone git://github.com/kfish/xsel.gitâ on it, so that is really the right Repo ⺠|
| 21:47.19 | somiaj | care to share the output of 'apt policy' |
| 21:47.20 | APic | skierpage: You are welcome |
| 21:47.25 | tdn | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 21:47.42 | tdn | http://paste.yt/p8885.html |
| 21:47.48 | tdn | somiaj, apt policy is here. http://paste.yt/p8885.html |
| 21:49.05 | somiaj | have you installed libreoffice from stretch yet, just 'apt install libreoffice' |
| 21:49.25 | tdn | somiaj, I have not |
| 21:49.34 | LtL | tdn: i doubt this is a good thing, 500 http://deb.adora.dk/repos/apt/debian stable/main amd64 Packages. stable is buster |
| 21:49.54 | annadane | oh, christ. |
| 21:50.08 | somiaj | It shouldn't be required, but I often suggest installing stretches version first then upgrading to stretch-backports version |
| 21:50.12 | tdn | LtL, it is my own mirror. There is no difference in these packages between v9 and v10 |
| 21:50.38 | somiaj | I also notice you have non-free but not contrib, you probably want contrib too (as non-free packages can depend on contrib) |
| 21:50.58 | tdn | somiaj, ok |
| 21:51.27 | somiaj | tdn: so apt install libreoffice, then if that works, apt -t stretch-backports install libreoffice |
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| 21:51.38 | tdn | somiaj, fixed: http://paste.yt/p8886.html |
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| 21:51.52 | tdn | libreoffice is already the newest version (1:5.2.7-1+deb9u11). |
| 21:52.55 | somiaj | well might have to start going down the rabbit hole, 'apt -t stretch-backports libreoffice libreoffice-core' what does that do? |
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| 22:10.14 | tdn | somiaj, so, that was exactly what I did. Then it needed some more. And I added them. And so on. |
| 22:10.52 | tdn | somiaj, http://paste.yt/p8888.html |
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| 22:11.13 | LtL | the quintessential 'rabbit hole.' |
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| 22:14.03 | ws2k3 | i installed openvpn on debian. and placed my configuretion in /etc/openvpn/client. wasnt there a systemd command to start a spesific openvpn client? |
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| 22:15.34 | LtL | tdn: dpkg --configure -a .. then apt-get -f install .. try again |
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| 22:17.24 | brutser | i decrypt a keyfile at initramfs phase and use that to decrypt rootfs, now I like to leave no "trace" of this unencrypted keyfile once the rootfs is decrypted, how would i make sure of that? |
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| 22:18.31 | lupine | brutser: what does "decrypt rootfs" mean here? |
| 22:19.00 | brutser | lupine: / |
| 22:19.03 | lupine | is it a read-only thing that you're copying into RAM once, or is this just luks, which keeps the key in memory to service all reads and writes subsequent to setup? |
| 22:19.17 | lupine | if the latter, you're asking for the impossible, you see |
| 22:19.26 | brutser | ah ok |
| 22:20.08 | brutser | lupine: then probably i am asking for the impossible |
| 22:20.36 | tdn | LtL, the same. |
| 22:20.45 | brutser | lupine: and how does luks work with only a passphrase, it keeps that in memory too? |
| 22:21.37 | LtL | tdn: personally i would uninstall all of it, install v9, then upgrade to backp9ort. save your docs first |
| 22:21.38 | brutser | lupine: it seems a little security risk by keeping the unecrypted keyfile into memory during the session, so if you get owned during the session, the attacker could read the keyfile from memory? |
| 22:21.47 | lupine | I think the key is stored encrypted, it uses the passphrase to decrypt it, then keeps the decrypted key in memory for the duration of the boot |
| 22:22.03 | lupine | brutser: sure, it's just an essential part of how it works |
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| 22:22.49 | brutser | lupine: yes i knew it worked that way, i was just approaching it here from security pov and now i am a little puzzled |
| 22:23.24 | LtL | tdn: do a dry run first to avoid massive removals, apt-get -s remove packages |
| 22:23.36 | lupine | the threat model luks protects against is attacks on offline data |
| 22:23.50 | lupine | say the cops raid your place, seize all your computers, turning the power off in the process |
| 22:24.09 | lupine | it's good to have for that specific use case, and does nothing for several other use cases |
| 22:24.21 | tdn | LtL, I do not have the option to reinstall my system at this point |
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| 22:25.07 | LtL | tdn: you won't need to reinstall the system, i just meant libreoffice |
| 22:25.19 | tdn | LtL, oh |
| 22:25.27 | LtL | sorry for the confusion |
| 22:26.05 | brutser | lupine: i have keyfile.tar.pgp embedded in initrd, during initramfs phase it ask for passphrase to decrypt this, then crypttab use keyfile to decrypt the luks encrypted rootfs - i am ok with LUKS copying this file to ram, but if i decrypt this during initramfs, do i leave the unecrypted keyfile on the disk?? |
| 22:26.26 | quaxoxl | i am having an odd pre-confuigured thing going on duig some ysb install - i did make a bootable usb, and it orks. but when the pre-conformed software looks for the integrity of my inexistant 'cd-rom-driv', it halts, wanting new source insert. how do i get by this? i see of no reason why i suddenly would be having this trouble after installing from usb fine, fore. it is a debian fork but i know not if this |
| 22:26.32 | quaxoxl | matters. |
| 22:26.33 | lupine | brutser: no, just in ram |
| 22:26.38 | brutser | lupine: ok |
| 22:26.55 | quaxoxl | merry a greeting to one and all, ofcourse ;> lukewarm cookies and milk w/ honey for all |
| 22:27.05 | brutser | lupine: let me continue test this, thanks for the help |
| 22:27.31 | annadane | COOKIES! |
| 22:27.35 | annadane | om nom nom nom nom |
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| 22:28.52 | quaxoxl | annadane - nothing like fresh from "mom"'s kitchen ;> |
| 22:28.55 | tdn | LtL, I just did that. Removed libreoffice libreoffice-core. Then tried installing with -t. But now it seems I am stuck in the same place |
| 22:29.17 | quaxoxl | food is love, soul and enrichenment in many forms also enviromentally speaking in all baranches and obscuremanners of integration |
| 22:29.39 | quaxoxl | honks down to wait for hopeful question for answer |
| 22:35.11 | LtL | tdn: $ dpkg -l |grep libreoffice # remove any version package that show a conflict from apt, then install again. hopefullt it will work. |
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| 22:35.42 | scwizard | hello. I'm trying to install mysql server version 5.7.25 |
| 22:35.46 | somiaj | ,v libreoffice-common |
| 22:35.48 | judd | Package: libreoffice-common on amd64 -- jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u11; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u12; stretch: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u10; stretch-security: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u11; stretch-backports: 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u2~bpo9+1; buster: 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u3; buster-security: 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u4; buster-backports: 1:6.3.0-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1:6.3.0-2; sid: 1:6.3.0-2; buster-backports: |
| 22:35.49 | judd | 1:6.3.1-1~bpo10+1 |
| 22:35.59 | scwizard | anyone have any clue how to do this sanely |
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| 22:36.10 | LtL | tdn: if it reinstalls, write down what you remove, be certain they exist post-install, they should. |
| 22:36.12 | somiaj | tdn: you may have to keep going down the list of packages until you figure out what one apt has an actual conflict with |
| 22:36.33 | somiaj | unforuntally, sometimes apt only lists the first thing it had trouble with (not the end of the chain that actually caused the conflict) |
| 22:36.34 | LtL | exactly ^^ |
| 22:36.54 | maxtim | what's the difference between using .sh and having no file extension when #!/bin/bash is defined within the script? |
| 22:37.22 | somiaj | maxtim: personal convience, some like extensions to make file types really easy to tell without looking in the file. |
| 22:37.56 | somiaj | but then your commands end in .sh, and may scripts (python, bash, perl) don't have an extension due to not wanting to include it in the command line |
| 22:38.10 | lupine | personally, I use `.sh` if it's primarily intended to be sourced, but I may still want it to be executable |
| 22:39.10 | maxtim | somiaj, alright, well that settles that. I've had trouble using .sh scripts as an autostart script in systemd. specifically with `if [[ ]]' operator |
| 22:39.55 | maxtim | i had a suspicion personal preference was the case |
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| 22:40.12 | somiaj | hmm, unsure why having .sh would cause problems, but yea it is optional (in general one should never trust the file extension anyways to tell you what the file really is) |
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| 22:42.13 | maxtim | good advice |
| 22:43.20 | LtL | tdn: when i get a dependency conflict upgrading something, i just stop, removing the offending package and start the install again, install that package later (if it didn't reinstall itself) always seemed to work. |
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| 22:45.22 | maxtim | I can execute the script as normal, but it fails on startup and running systemctl start throws syntax errors |
| 22:45.52 | somiaj | Are you using a systemd unit file to start it? Care to share the unit file? |
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| 22:47.31 | maxtim | https://pastebin.com/JLvf8WqC |
| 22:48.30 | somiaj | the $MAINPID seems off to me, but unsure if this is someting systemd knows or not |
| 22:48.30 | maxtim | rights to file are 740 |
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| 22:49.10 | somiaj | hmm, no seems to be a systemd thing. Does the error tell you where the syntax errors are? |
| 22:49.21 | somiaj | Also could it be that your script runs in bash but not dash? |
| 22:49.42 | somiaj | oh your shebhang points at bash so that shouldn't matter |
| 22:50.09 | maxtim | this is probably going to show my n00bness, but whats dash? |
| 22:50.34 | somiaj | on debian systems /bin/sh points to /bin/dash (debian's default system shell) |
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| 22:50.58 | somiaj | dash is POSIX compliant, but far simplier (and faster) than bash, and all system things should be using dash |
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| 22:51.16 | lupine | pretty sure we should abolish sh for all system things |
| 22:51.17 | somiaj | but dash will fail on certain bash only syntax |
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| 22:52.00 | filpAM | Dash source code needs a clean up. It's hacky as hell |
| 22:52.06 | maxtim | this is the first time hearing of dash... interesting. sounds like a new rabbit hole for another day |
| 22:52.34 | somiaj | maxtim: basically on debian if you use #!/bin/sh, you use dash, and don't change that. |
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| 22:55.25 | maxtim | I don't know any syntax for dash today, so i'm going to wait on that for now. systemctl status said failed with timeout. I have a `sleep 30` command in the script to wait for openvpn to finish initializing before proceeding to next steps |
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| 22:57.03 | somiaj | maybe that is your problem. Also this seems to be a networking script, what do you use to configure the network? |
| 22:57.43 | maxtim | ip and iptables |
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| 22:58.06 | somiaj | so you manually have scripts for your network, you don't say use the debian interfaces file? |
| 22:58.22 | somiaj | I'm not talking about your vpn here, I'm talking about your normal network configuration |
| 22:58.56 | alkumaish | where can I can get security updates for wheezy? or is it impossible now without compiling my own packages? |
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| 22:59.08 | somiaj | !lts |
| 22:59.08 | dpkg | Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:59.12 | somiaj | !wheezy lts |
| 22:59.12 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See http://deb.li/2aC for excluded packages. No changes to /etc/apt/sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts. limited commercial support extending further on exists in form of <elts> |
| 22:59.36 | maxtim | rip wheezy |
| 22:59.44 | somiaj | alkumaish: looks like LTS support has ended, there was ELTS support, unsure if there is still funding for that |
| 22:59.47 | somiaj | !elts |
| 22:59.48 | dpkg | Limited commercial support for wheezy exists in form of Extended LTS, see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended and https://deb.freexian.com/extended-lts/ |
| 23:00.49 | somiaj | but it does appear that there is still some support for wheezy via ELTS support. |
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| 23:03.53 | lupine | don't do it |
| 23:03.55 | alkumaish | somiaj: not worth it. it's a cheap vps not running anything critical. I just don't want to go through setting everyting up again on centos because the vps provider does not provide debian images anymore. only centos |
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| 23:05.33 | alkumaish | I thought i'd plug the holes temporarily until I figure out how to upgrade from 7 to 8 ot 9 without destroying everyting :/ |
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| 23:06.14 | somiaj | alkumaish: you shouln't need to do much to run ELTS, it will give you some security support (though it appears they only support 3.16 kernel, not the stock 3.2 wheezy kernel naymore) |
| 23:06.17 | arare | hey do i have voice |
| 23:06.20 | arare | i guess so |
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| 23:06.29 | somiaj | but yea, ELTS is your only option for any security support for wheezy now. |
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| 23:10.46 | arare | so if a freeze locks out sysrq, what are some logs to check after a reset |
| 23:11.29 | somiaj | arare: if you have the directory /var/log/journal you can use timestamps to check all systemd logs right before the crash |
| 23:11.38 | somiaj | otherwise /var/log/messages, and other things in /var/log might be useful |
| 23:16.26 | arare | hmm |
| 23:16.35 | arare | thanks but they seem innouous |
| 23:17.06 | arare | anywhere else i can look? how do developers diagnose this? |
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| 23:18.21 | LtL | arare: coredumps i imagine, but they are disabled on debian |
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| 23:18.43 | arare | hmm |
| 23:18.56 | scwizard | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:19.29 | scwizard | clean slates are very healthy and you should get used to them, doubly so for servers |
| 23:20.04 | somiaj | personally if this is a recuring issue, I would just 'mkdir /var/log/journal' so you have preistant journals across boots |
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| 23:20.33 | arare | alright |
| 23:20.42 | arare | is that related to journalctl |
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| 23:21.15 | somiaj | yea, it makes journald's binary journal persistant by giving it a place to write to the disk |
| 23:21.49 | arare | qh |
| 23:21.51 | arare | ah |
| 23:21.58 | somiaj | you should run systemd-tmpfiles --create --prefix /var/log/journal to put your current tmp files in there for the curret boot, then it also suggest you restart journald, killall -USR1 systemd-journald |
| 23:22.36 | LtL | wheezy was systemd? i thought it was sysV |
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| 23:23.42 | somiaj | this file says what you need to do /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz |
| 23:24.01 | somiaj | LtL: oh this is for wheezy, guess I thought this was for a differnt user. |
| 23:24.16 | somiaj | correct, in wheezy systemd was only a system preview, sysv was default (both were usable) |
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| 23:24.51 | arare | im not on wheezy if youre talking about me |
| 23:25.09 | LtL | arare: yeah, we were :) |
| 23:25.40 | somiaj | arare: check out the file I linked for the instructions from the debian devs on what is needed to enable persistant logs, this will help yo uin the future if this happens again |
| 23:25.47 | LtL | i mixed up users somewhere too, it seems. |
| 23:25.51 | somiaj | at least it gives you far more logs and you can try to see what happened right at the freeze/crash |
| 23:26.04 | arare | i wish i could find a pallet for xresources that worked everywhere |
| 23:26.19 | arare | weechat highlights things in a weird way |
| 23:26.39 | arare | i am reading the systemd thing if thats what you mean somiaj |
| 23:27.14 | arare | although you did bascially tell me the beginning already haha |
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| 23:27.48 | somiaj | I was just making sure I didn't miss some small detail |
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| 23:32.33 | epsilon | is there any decoder for Barcode/QR-code, decoding from a photo/screenshot? In apt search I can only find encoder, but no decoder... |
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| 23:33.59 | LtL | ,v qtqr |
| 23:34.00 | judd | Package: qtqr on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4~bzr21-1; stretch: 1.4~bzr21-1; bullseye: 1.4~bzr32-1; buster: 1.4~bzr32-1; sid: 1.4~bzr32-1 |
| 23:34.10 | LtL | ,info qtqr |
| 23:34.11 | judd | Package qtqr (python, optional) in buster/amd64: Qt frontend for QR code generator and decoder. Version: 1.4~bzr32-1; Size: 38.2k; Installed: 184k; Homepage: https://launchpad.net/qr-tools; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/qtqr |
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| 23:35.11 | LtL | epsilon: ^^^ |
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| 23:40.09 | epsilon | LtL: thx, need to check on debian 10, the version on 9 at least throws just python error while decoding... |
| 23:41.02 | LtL | epsilon: good luck, i rarely have success with QR codes |
| 23:41.41 | LtL | epsilon: i'm speaking about my iphone though. |
| 23:42.27 | nvz | siri, fml |
| 23:44.00 | nvz | I never got hip to the QR code thing, but I had considered data matricies and images to be a possibility for a program I was concieving.. |
| 23:44.44 | nvz | rather than people taking crappy screenshots with a cam, it produces a data matrix you take a picture of that is decoded back into text |
| 23:45.13 | nvz | giving you a means to pastebin more than will fit on a screen to take a picture of |
| 23:45.21 | nvz | without network |
| 23:45.25 | LtL | cool |
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| 23:47.27 | nvz | I mean you figure even using like ASCII cursor chars the big block things.. on a 16 color 80x24 terminal.. thats still what? nearly 4kb? |
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| 23:59.22 | LtL | yeah, about 4kB |
