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00:10.21LtLinteresting that qrqt is the same version from jessie through sid. don't see that often.
00:11.30LtLoops wrong.
00:12.07LtLi'm a QR code, scan me you get 'No Data Found'
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00:20.32somiajLtL: happens a lot with dead software, or really good software, debian keeps stuf around until it is really broken.
00:21.09somiajbut there is a lot of old tools that people use that don't need updates, and if it continues to work/build it just sticks around doing its job
00:21.35somiajthough I was a bit sad when they started taking out things like xroaches because it no longer built nicely
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00:22.32LtLheh, i remember xroachess
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00:24.33LtLthey were cool, bugs all over your desktop. totally forgot about them. sad
00:28.48LtLxpenguins was fun also
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00:31.33LtL,info xmille
00:31.34juddPackage xmille (games, optional) in buster/amd64: The classic game of Mille Bournes. Version: 2.0-13; Size: 31.6k; Installed: 208k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/xmille
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00:36.15LtLbug #158188
00:36.47LtLhrm, xroach bug report is gone i guess, circa 2002
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00:51.09wrwanna do a encrypted debian install on one harddisk so to some point i dont need lvm i guess, on menu see lvm encrypted only, any way other way to this? will i need lvm?
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00:55.50karlpincwr: LVM is handy, especially on an encrypted device, because you can have multiple partitions and freely resize them/re-allocate space.  Otherwise if you have more than one partition you have separate passwords for each (potentially).
00:56.36karlpincwr: But I don't believe the installer requires you to use lvm if you encrypt.  You can first partition, then encrypt.
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00:57.40wrkarlpinc, by the way once installed normally i always have to set pass at boot, any to avoid input?
00:57.55wr*way
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01:03.47wrkarlpinc, https://wiki.debian.org/TransparentEncryptionForHomeFolder i think this is it
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01:39.19lembronhi there, anything major changed from 10 to 10.1 that would "fail mariadb installation in docker"? -- worked fine ~3 weeks ago, now hangs for +1 hour on "Setting up mariadb-server-10.3" -- inspecting the container makes it seem as if its waiting for something to show up? https://i.imgur.com/GWV0pJz.png
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01:54.47zjackhow do i use gpg to verify a debian iso
01:55.41dvszjack, you don't.  you verify the SUM files that they have not been modified and then check the SUM
01:56.31zjackdvs, im following the documentation on https://keyring.debian.org/ and im confused about what the key ID is... what is 0x673A03E4C1DB921F ?
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01:56.54dvsthe key id ;-)
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01:57.58zjackdvs, well that key id is the key id used in the example, how do i know if thats the right key id?
01:58.43Pi4_NoobHello. I am trying to get networking using networkd up and running. I have systemd-networkd, systemd-resolvd up and running. When I boot eht0 is up, but no address.
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01:59.00lembronok that one was embarrassing... "disk full" - damn docker-machine defaults ;D - maria up&running now
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02:01.42dvszjack, there's a debian-keyring package which contains the proper key for each release.
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02:07.52dvszjack, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=141778 try key ID 4D270D06F42584E6
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02:21.59nvzLtL: yeah xmille is rather atrocious because all the widgets are statically sized.. its especially annoying on small screens
02:22.17nvzfor that reason I often just played the bsdgames version
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02:23.36LtLnvz: i'm not much for games, never tried xmille, i do like pokerth now and then.
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02:24.32nvzPi4_Noob: 1) raspbian isn't supported here 2) debian doesn't use systemd-networkd by default maybe try #systemd or #raspbian
02:25.05LtLzjack: there a gpg --verify method using the sha256.sign file and maybe the checksum string but i forget the syntax
02:25.17Pi4_Noobnvz, thank you, I have been on raspberry but it isn't active yet.
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02:26.48zjackLtL, when i try to use gpg --verify to check the signature file against the other file it says gpg cant check signature public key not found
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02:30.01quaxoxlwould that mean database error or dubious ongoings mainly - i sm not knwledged but i would not assume the database "handshake" has any way of not not identifying it correctly
02:30.17quaxoxlare you completelt sure you set this up properly with the right contact association(s)
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02:31.53awal1dpkg: 5GHz
02:31.54dpkgawal1: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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02:38.19LtLzjack: thats probably where you need to have the debian-keyring installed, the .sign file is the gpg signing block. It's been so long since i did that i can't remember and don't have the time to try right now
02:39.12LtLzjack: keep at it, you'll figure it out.
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02:41.21zjackLtL, i figured it out, thank you for your time.
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03:33.54paqcitoWell, I think I messed up really bad. I removed all ca-certificates in /usr/share/ca-certificates ha. Any way I can fix this?
03:34.34dvspaqcito, apt --reinstall install ca-certificates
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03:35.41paqcitoill try that!
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03:51.28paqcitodvs thanks
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04:22.24asterismo_lhi
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04:22.40asterismo_li find so difficult to install docker in debian 9
04:22.44asterismo_lwhy is it?
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04:23.25asterismo_ldoes anybody have installed sharelatex in debian 9?
04:25.00xsoultartarasterismo_l, Just follow the instruction from https://docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/debian/ and you are good with that
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04:27.24asterismo_lxsoultartar, lets see
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04:29.56terriblesomeone here use irssi the irc chat
04:30.23terriblehow can i change server that im already logged?
04:30.39asterismo_lxsoultartar, https://paste.debian.net/1100007/
04:30.48asterismo_li get the same error
04:30.55asterismo_lit cannot install it
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04:31.51asterismo_lthis is systemctl output https://paste.debian.net/1100008/
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04:32.57xsoultartarasterismo_l, Have you tried to apt purge / remove installed docker and then refollow the installation instruction? https://docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/debian/
04:33.07asterismo_lyes
04:33.18asterismo_li added the repository
04:34.02asterismo_land previously issued the command uninstalling older versions which i did not have installed
04:34.08asterismo_ljust for sure
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04:35.03xsoultartarasterismo_l, how about try to curl https://get.docker.com/ and then execute the file?
04:35.21asterismo_lcurl https://get.docker.com/ ?
04:35.48xsoultartarTry to run 'curl -fsSL https://get.docker.com -o get-docker.sh' and then 'sh get-docker.sh'
04:36.47asterismo_ltrying now
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04:38.29asterismo_lxsoultartar, nope https://paste.debian.net/1100009/
04:39.33xsoultartarasterismo_l, you need to run it with root privilege
04:39.56xsoultartarasterismo_l, ah sorry I dont think that is an isssue
04:40.07asterismo_li'm root
04:41.17asterismo_lthis is incredible
04:41.26asterismo_li tried many things
04:41.37asterismo_li cannot install docker
04:41.44asterismo_loh my gosh
04:43.03asterismo_lI'm gonna go now, throw any other idea and i'll read them later
04:43.08asterismo_lthanks xsoultartar
04:43.47xsoultartarasterismo_l, maybe this link could be helpful https://docs.docker.com/v17.09/engine/admin/#troubleshoot-conflicts-between-the-daemonjson-and-startup-scripts
04:43.59xsoultartarasterismo_l, You're welcome
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05:24.54gouri'd like to migrate from xfce to gnome and wonder if using tasksel will do a good job of cleaning old xfce stuff and installing new one (gnome) or it is better to do clean  re-install?
05:25.29klysprobably better to consult /var/log/apt from when you installed xfce; or just reinstall.
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05:26.16klystasksel is a fronted for apt, which doesn't remove stuff cleanly
05:26.51klysremoving stuff is better done with a combination of deborphan, aptitute, and dselect.
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05:32.28jellydselect? *shudder*
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06:08.13ZaZaGXi'm a linux
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06:10.56Haohmaru<shocking.jpg>
06:11.38ZaZaGXbut i'm not a mac
06:11.54Haohmaruah, then we'll get along with you just fine
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06:12.29annadanei'm a little teapot short and stout, full of caffeine, without much clout
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06:13.01Haohmaruannadane prepare to be.. consumed
06:13.09ZaZaGXbut i don't use a windows. but i do use a linux pc
06:13.49Haohmaruokay, what's going on today here? did i accidentally got myself into #poetry
06:14.21ZaZaGXpoetry eh?
06:14.38Haohmaruor a parallel #debian
06:14.39annadane'twas brillig, and the systemd did gimble and gamble on the waves
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06:20.14ZaZaGXi think being a debian user can be depressing
06:20.21Haohmaruy
06:20.51Haohmarueverything can be depressing when ur.. depressed
06:20.54ZaZaGXi'm getting kind of bored all the time. and i don't go out much. i stand on the computer too much
06:21.03ZaZaGXstay*
06:21.27Haohmaruhow is debian causing this?
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06:21.41ZaZaGXi guess being a hermit
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06:22.26Haohmaruuh..
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06:25.25kirk781Are we having a competition as to who is more depressed?
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06:26.34Haohmaruwhat's the opposite of depression?
06:26.42ZaZaGXCan I get your ICQ number?
06:27.00Haohmaruokay, now i'm starting to get depressed
06:27.19HaohmaruZaZaGX uninstall ICQ immediately
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06:27.35ZaZaGXhow come?
06:27.44kirk781Huh, ICQ is still popular
06:27.52Haohmaruno, it's not!!1oneone
06:28.23snookymoin
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06:28.44ZaZaGXhow about AOL Instand Messenager?
06:28.44annadanemoin
06:28.52ZaZaGXInstant
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06:29.04HaohmaruAOL - isn't that an american thang?
06:30.03ZaZaGXyes
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06:30.26Haohmaruthen *shrug*
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06:30.55ZaZaGXhow about friendster or myspace?
06:31.08Haohmaruall i'm gonna say is: IRC is teh truth
06:31.52ZaZaGXi think kirk781 is more depressed
06:32.28Haohmaruputs ZaZaGX and kirk781 on the scales
06:33.27ZaZaGXfor weight?
06:33.29Haohmaruthe measurement does not converge
06:33.42Haohmarunah, for depression
06:33.43kirk781ZaZaGX, you're not wrong
06:33.53annadanei'm awake at 2:30 AM playing video games and being on IRC. i'm pretty depressed.
06:34.11ZaZaGXannadane, what game are you playing?
06:34.19annadaneyou'll never know
06:34.25kirk781lel
06:34.32Haohmaruhopefully it's not Diablo
06:34.33ZaZaGXi think i need to go out more and meet more girls
06:34.35kirk781Psst, I am playing the game of life.
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06:34.46kirk781The graphics are good but the story is terrible.
06:35.08Haohmarukirk781 does it even have quicksave?
06:35.23kirk781Haohmaru, I hope not. I don't want to play it again
06:35.33annadaneyou need a hug.
06:35.35annadane*hug*
06:35.44Haohmaruokay, i was gonna suggest something but..
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06:35.57ZaZaGXmaybe i need medication
06:35.59kirk781Meh, I need more dopamine rushes
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06:36.21ZaZaGXor try street drugs
06:36.26Haohmaruwut, no
06:36.54ZaZaGXi have never tried cocaine
06:37.15Haohmarukeep it that way
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06:38.26ZaZaGXhow about ketamine?
06:38.40Haohmarui've no idea, i'm not a doctor
06:39.13ZaZaGXyou gotta inject it with a needle
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06:39.28ZaZaGXit got legalized since March 2019
06:39.33Haohmarui ain't injecting nuffin'
06:40.11ZaZaGXhow about i do it for you?
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06:40.30Haohmaruhow about no
06:40.40ZaZaGXbut Mr. Robot does drugs
06:40.52ZaZaGXhe is a elite hacker and uses Debian
06:40.59Haohmaruokay, that's it, i'm calling the cops
06:41.05ZaZaGXoh no
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06:43.09ZaZaGXi want to smoke some majuana with some cute single girls
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06:44.09ZaZaGXi think that will lift up my spirit
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06:45.52ZaZaGXoh, i just googled internet and depression. its bad
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06:48.27ZaZaGXi should log off
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06:52.50ZaZaGXHaohmaru, you there?
06:53.07annadaneFWIW guys we do have a #debian-offtopic
06:54.10ZaZaGXi need help securing my debian machine
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06:55.19HaohmaruZaZaGX i don't have time for potential drug junkies
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06:56.03ZaZaGXi don't do drugs
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07:01.36Haohmaruhelp is coming <ambulance.gif>
07:02.14annadaneevilmind, need more info than that
07:02.20annadane!ask
07:02.21dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:18.43ZaZaGXso i follwed these steps. do i need to do anymore?
07:18.44ZaZaGXhttps://wiki.debian.org/SetupGuides/SecurePersonalComputer
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07:22.55ratraceZaZaGX: for what kind of threat model?
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07:26.27ZaZaGXthe threat model is the feds
07:26.53ratracethen they already have all the ways to break into your system.
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07:27.12ratracea) dial NSA,  b) use the security-busting wrench
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07:27.26ZaZaGXbut i secured my grub, and encrypted my harddrive
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07:27.35ratraceZaZaGX: they can easily break through that
07:27.45ZaZaGXomg seriously? how?
07:27.49ratracehttps://xkcd.com/538/
07:27.57ratracethey'll waterboard you until you spill out the passphrase.
07:28.13ZaZaGXcan't i pledge the fifth?
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07:28.49ratraceyou can try. you might accidentally disappear though.
07:28.59ratraceoops, we're not in -offtopic ;)
07:29.19ZaZaGXi run a vpn and tor on debian
07:29.40ZaZaGXthe vpn i use is not the 14 eyes
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07:30.23ratraceWell anyway, I'm not kidding. As funny as it is, the above comic is depicting reality. If the feds wanted your data (because you're, dunno, a russian spy so skilled that you need to ask on IRC how to secure your systems), they'll get you.
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07:30.57ayekatyeah, if you have to follow a distro wiki article for securing your computer, "the feds" is not a realistic threat model
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07:32.08ayekats/distro wiki/some guide on the Web/
07:32.09ZaZaGXi thinking of being a leader for a protest
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07:33.24ratraceight imma head out
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07:54.00nvzthat wiki page is terrible.. it might as well just be an xkcd comic
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07:54.59nvzits giving advice to write down passwords multiple times, the author doesn't even seem to know what a hamburger menu is, makes assumptions about what DE is being used or even that one is being used at all..
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07:55.17nvzI'm sure I could write a whole article on all the things wrong with that article :P
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07:55.28jellyI'm a vegetarian, hamburger menus are useless to me
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07:56.00nvzok then, veggie burger menu :P
07:57.21Unit193I'm an omnivore, but veggie burger menus are still useless.
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07:59.32nvzwell I never liked them either, but calling them "three strikes"? ugh..
07:59.43nvzmight as well be calling it three horizontal lines
08:01.17ratracethat's what I call them
08:01.33ratrace"You know those three horizontal lines or three dots? Yeah, tap that..."
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08:05.05ayekatwow, that wiki page is awful
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08:07.51vltnvz: I read the wiki article and still don't know what hamburger menu refers to. What do you mean?
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08:11.25ayekatvlt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger_button
08:11.49ayekat"Click on the 3 strikes in the upper left" <- I guess that's the part
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08:13.40vltayekat: TIL, thanks.
08:13.42ayekatI feel like someone more or less just wrote down their personal setup, which they thought to be 'secure'
08:14.04ratracethat article should be taken down, it's an embarassment
08:14.24ayekat"However, GPT requires a mainboard that supports UEFI." - oh dear
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08:15.11ratrace"If you followed this guide this far you reached the most basic level of cybersecurity."    oh no you didn't
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08:17.20ayekat... I thought I could keep playing the game of "quote ridiculous things from that article", but I'd end up just copy-pasting at least half the document
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08:21.45Eryn_1983_FLso i tried to be leet and use the terminal the badass people use, urxvt, and i dont think i like it. what other cool ones are out there besides  terminator, i like but it feels bloated?
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08:23.03ratraceEryn_1983_FL: what about urxvt do you dislike?
08:23.28ratraceand which DE or WM are you using?
08:24.51Eryn_1983_FLxmonad
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08:25.06han-soloEryn_1983_FL: konsole :)
08:25.14Eryn_1983_FLwell i am having a hard time customizing the copy commands, and now they stopped working altogether.
08:25.24Eryn_1983_FLwhat about guake i got that one installed right now
08:25.30Eryn_1983_FLi use to use it back in the day
08:26.30ratraceEryn_1983_FL: there are perl plugins for various copy&pasting activity in rxvt. Checked those?
08:27.23Eryn_1983_FLyeah
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08:27.48Eryn_1983_FLhttp://ix.io/1UNx
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08:28.27EdePopedeayekat: "3 strikes"? is this about cutting of the internet connection for criminal actions or does it have to do something with baseball?
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08:29.10Mathisenwhat is wrong with copy/paste in urxvt ? atleast in i3-gaps super + shift + insert is paste
08:29.34Eryn_1983_FLmaybe i should comment it out and make it go back to default?
08:29.38ratraceEryn_1983_FL: xfce terminal ain't bad. Looking from my i3-wm setup now, attempting to install just it doesn't pull in a lot of deps from xfce
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08:30.35ayekatMathisen: the convention is that shift-insert is "paste the primary selection"
08:30.46Eryn_1983_FLlol
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08:30.48ayekathas never heard of super+shift+insert, though
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08:30.57Eryn_1983_FLmmm
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08:31.33Haohmaruwhoever invented the hamburger button and more specifically its name, should be put in jail for a very long time
08:31.45ratraceyea I don't use any extra copy&paste plugins for urxvt. shift+ins   and selection=copy  works for me. I only use keyboard-based URL opener which I plugged into starting firefox in private mode
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08:31.59Eryn_1983_FLok
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08:32.24at0mHaohmaru: if you hadn't mentioned it nobody would know about it
08:33.11Haohmarueh?
08:33.24ratracedon't be silly, the menu is quite effective on small displays like mobile. as for its name and outlook, that's a matter of taste, but functionally it's useful
08:33.36Eryn_1983_FLok i like that better
08:33.39Eryn_1983_FLty
08:33.51Eryn_1983_FLluke smith was making me crazy with his weirdness.
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08:35.19ayekatwat... I have never expected to hear that name in #debian
08:35.30ZaZaGXwhat name?
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08:36.12ayekatluke smith - in arch linux mostly known for... not so good "contributions"
08:36.22ayekatbut eh, this is now very offtopic
08:36.37ZaZaGXi'll google him
08:37.03humpledhmm
08:38.47HaohmaruZaZaGX bout security: put a pair of eyes on your back, and carry a wrench with you
08:39.07vltHaohmaru: In jail? o_O  Just curious: Where are you from?
08:39.10ZaZaGXi don't get it. luke smith sounds like a normal guy
08:39.12ayekatas long as your wrench is longer than the other one's you'll be fine
08:39.28Haohmaruvlt why does it matter?
08:39.32ZaZaGXhow about a sword instead?
08:39.42vltHaohmaru: Because I'm curious ;)
08:40.15HaohmaruZaZaGX a sword has non-sharp sides, wrench is moar effective at causing damage
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08:40.53vltBut a wrench is a double-edged sword. Wait ...
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08:42.18Eryn_1983_FLhmm ayekat  pm me a recommendation on someone who does good contribution?
08:42.18ZaZaGXhmmm, i thought my debian machine is secured enough
08:42.59ayekatEryn_1983_FL: the devs/packagers/mods/..., for a start :-)
08:43.07ayekatand everyone who collaborates with them
08:43.27ayekat(I think that's true for any distro/software, btw)
08:43.29Eryn_1983_FLlol do they make videos for me to watch?
08:43.31ratraceZaZaGX: "enough" depends on the treat model. In my case for example, the LUKS based FDE I use is "enough" against petty theft of the drives or computers, by random theives who aren't government backed officials who otherwise have no interest in me.
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08:44.26Haohmarui hide muh floppy disks in a smol black hole
08:44.35Haohmarui don't know how to get them back
08:46.54ZaZaGXi think the police would want to search my laptop
08:47.08Eryn_1983_FLok so how do i get my copy from urxvt into firefox paste?
08:47.31Eryn_1983_FLi need to be able to go from terminal to firefox, slack, and back again
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08:48.25Eryn_1983_FL...
08:48.30Eryn_1983_FLok i think i know the issue no xclip
08:49.30ZaZaGXhow do i test the security on my debian machine?
08:50.04Eryn_1983_FLhard a black hat to pwn you.
08:50.13Eryn_1983_FLhire  a black hat to pwn you.
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08:50.54ZaZaGXnot sure if i trust them
08:51.04Eryn_1983_FLyou shouldn't trust anybody.
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08:54.11rephlexieIs Lynis still a thing for auditing? Or were they bought by nessus?
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08:54.49ZaZaGXi use lynis
08:54.50Eryn_1983_FLso the clipboard for firefox copy/paste and slack is not the same for terminals.
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08:56.07ayekatterminals *generally* do not use the same keyboard shortcuts as GUIs
08:56.43ayekatah wait, the clipboard? - there are the X11 primary/secondary selections, and the X11 clipboard
08:57.41Eryn_1983_FL..
08:57.58Eryn_1983_FLlike i said i need to copy to and from for work stuff and play.
08:58.36Eryn_1983_FLit putting it somewhere different in memory i assume, so i need it in the same place so if i paste in slack and firefox its the same copy from terminal
08:58.54Eryn_1983_FLotherwise i am goiing to pull all my hair out in about a week of this bs.
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09:00.06Eryn_1983_FLi ok i tried setting it to primary that did not work
09:00.06EdePopedeusually when i have to copy text i mark with the mouse and then midclick to insert. i think i started doing it because i don't want clipman's entries spammed by text (though i don't even notice that it's running most of the time) i'll propably never need again.
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09:02.50Eryn_1983_FLok it seems to work from firefox to terminal but not the other way around.
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09:09.56humpledone is ctrl-v or ctrl-shift-v to paste, the other is double click or middle click to paste
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09:12.18humpledthe clipboard is the same, if you copy to it, but things are entered in the X11 buffer just by highlighting them
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09:15.38ayekatctrl-shift-v and ctrl-shift-c don't work in urxvt by default, because it's got an "ISO 14755 mode" (I believe it's mostly for inserting special characters or something)
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09:16.46ratraceyeah, shift+ins  to paste, selection is copying
09:17.05ratracethere be perl plugins that introduce ctrl+shift and keyboard based copying functionality
09:17.18BoyDoyhi. iwant to ask how to open a port on debian 10? what the default firewall?
09:17.38ratraceBoyDoy: there is none, no port is filtered by default.
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09:18.16BoyDoyhow can i allow port 8000 to www-data?
09:18.17Eryn_1983_FLcheck the app armour is not enabled,
09:18.28ratraceapparmor doesn't filter ports
09:18.33Eryn_1983_FLok m,
09:18.35Eryn_1983_FLnm
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09:19.06ayekatBoyDoy: www-data is a user/group - opening a port for a user/group doesn't make any sense
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09:19.34ayekat(as in "the phrase doesn't make sense", not "that's a bad idea")
09:19.39BoyDoyi type lsof -i -P -n | grep LISTEN but the www-data and port tcp *:8000 is none
09:19.56snowdyhii
09:20.07ratraceBoyDoy: there is no filtering by default. nothing to "open", they're all "open" (though that's wrong terminology, should be "filtered", as "opening" a port means listening on it)
09:20.09d3lphihi all.I'd like to change a translation of a program. I can find a text file under /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/quota.raw but when I edit it it takes no effect.I see there is another file called quota.org which looks like a binary file to me.Is there any command I need to execute after modification of the .raw file to take effect?
09:20.22ayekatBoyDoy: (as root:) ss -tlpn
09:20.53EdePopedeBoyDoy: sure that a httpd is running (using this account and/or port)?
09:21.03snowdyhey is this same as telegram?
09:21.08ayekatsnowdy: no
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09:21.40snowdythen how to use this can you help me i am newbee for this
09:21.45BoyDoy@ayekat no www-data
09:22.02ayekatBoyDoy: yeah, but again - *processes* listen to ports, not users/groups
09:22.22ayekatBoyDoy: actually, it might help if you started by telling us your goal :-)
09:22.37ayekatbecause I feel like you've walked down the wrong path in an XY problem
09:22.48ratrace!xy
09:22.48dpkgSlow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed.  See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
09:23.19BoyDoyi need to run apache
09:23.47BoyDoyerror say "Failed to restart The Apache HTTP service"
09:24.06snowdyi want to make server at home is it possible?
09:24.38ayekatsnowdy: generally yes - but you have to be more specific than just "server"
09:25.08ayekatthere are file servers, web servers, mail servers, dns servers, chat servers, ...
09:25.43snowdyparticularly dns and web
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09:26.41colo-workdebian has all the software you need to make that happen packaged
09:26.42EdePopedeBoyDoy: usually apache is started as a service and then switches to the user/group mentioned in its conffile (per default www-data)
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09:26.53ayekatsnowdy: only for network-internal use, or also to the outside? (the latter might be a bit trickier)
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09:28.15snowdy@ayekat firstly for the internal one
09:28.50BoyDoyok itry other way
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09:29.32humpledoh thanks ayekat, often see urxvt recommended but when it makes such simple things non-default i think i'll leave it
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09:30.17ayekateh, I usually don't care too much about defaults if the tool gives me reasonable means for changing them to what I need
09:31.32ayekatI think it's more important what a tool is capable of doing, than what its defaults are (otherwise who would be using zsh?)
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09:32.20ratracewho *is* using zsh?    *runs*
09:32.57colo-workmostly inexperienced, macos-powered hipster web"devs"
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09:33.22ayekatmeh - don't blame zsh for the sins of oh-my-zsh
09:33.41colo-workwell I am doing it, and noone will stop me :>
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09:33.58jellyratrace: people who needed a decent shell during bash 2.x and 3.x days
09:34.17ratraceI find bash quite decent
09:34.25jellynow, yes
09:34.45jelly15-20 years back, less so
09:37.21EdePopedecolo-work: thanks a lot for tue quotes
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09:45.40Eryn_1983_FLok i fixed the copy and paste for terminator, i guess ill use that for now so i dont go nuts,
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09:58.44izakehi all
09:58.48izakequick question
09:59.05izakewe do automated installs via cobbler for debian9 and debian8
09:59.30izakefor debian 9 when the installer reacher the scanning of disks, it doesn't pick up any of the disks
09:59.43Krx8iSGWGhow can i install additional packages during installation? network-manager, for example.
09:59.55izakewe already confirmed that the disks are present in the BIOS
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10:02.49ratraceKrx8iSGWG: you can always install packages after initial installation+reboot is complete
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10:08.30Krx8iSGWGratrace: the problem is that networking doesn't work after reboot. i want to install network manager before that so i don't have to rig up something temporary using wpa_supplicant directly, only to undo it before configuring n
10:08.34Krx8iSGWGm
10:09.19Krx8iSGWGis there some way to chroot into the new install from a shell after the installer runs and apt install ?
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10:10.53ratraceKrx8iSGWG: I think that's possible yes. But uh, I still don't understand your use case. NM is installed wiht appropriate desktop environment already. If you're installing somethign else where NM is not native, then why install NM afterwards? Which DE/WM are you installing?
10:11.18ratraceKrx8iSGWG: "that's possible" = see maybe via an alternative TTY before the final reboot step
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10:12.52ratraceKrx8iSGWG: note also that you might need to solve the wifi firmware catch-22 first, in case you only have wifi and it requires firmware to operate.
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10:16.27Krx8iSGWGratrace: initially i installed from a debian lxqt live image, but i couldn't get wifi to work. the drivers are supposedly in a kernel module that's loaded automatically. i finally installed nm by plugging into ethernet, but i'm trying to avoid this.
10:17.13Krx8iSGWGwifi works during installation
10:17.32Krx8iSGWGi'd like to get it working after install without plugging in
10:17.43ratraceKrx8iSGWG: see this https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Firmware_during_the_installation
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10:18.03Krx8iSGWGfirmware is okay, already in kernel
10:18.04ratraceif firmware/drivers are in question, then NM per se is not a solution
10:18.14Krx8iSGWGthey aren't
10:18.20Krx8iSGWGthey seem to work
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10:18.30Krx8iSGWGi just need a network config solution
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10:19.30Krx8iSGWGwas thinking the solution was finding a way to install nm or conmann before reboot
10:19.42ratraceKrx8iSGWG: try a chroot via another TTY
10:20.24Krx8iSGWGso mount file system into mnt, chroot mnt, apt install?
10:20.31ratraceand beside maybe wpa_supplicant (if it's not installed as a dep of your DE/WM), you don't need anything else, it's a simple few-liner stanza in e/n/i:  https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line
10:21.07ratraceKrx8iSGWG: I'd suggest setup full chroot, with bind-mounted /dev and /sys, mounted -t proc proc ; and anything else
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10:57.59GrembleBeanHi all, problem with upgrading to cyrus 3.x, Debian Buster. I was using proxyd and lmtpproxyd and they've both disappeared!
10:58.20GrembleBeanany ideas?
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11:01.10NetTerminalGenedo you guys install intel microcode for cpu vulnerabilities?
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11:28.51FinalXNetTerminalGene: Then I'd start real fast in doing so, and to stop telling people that you're vulnerable.
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11:33.42tdnI have installed memtest86+ in Debian 9. However, when I select memtest86+ in GRUB, I just get a blank Debian splash screen and a few pcspkr beeps. It does not show the usual memtest blue screen. I figure this is due to the splash screen being there. How to fix this?
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11:51.35GrembleBeanSo I fixed by Cyrus issue. I seems the packaged cyrus 2.5.x version ship with symlinks for proxyd and friends - but the 3.x versions don't.
11:52.17GrembleBeantdn, Memtest86+ won't work on all systems.
11:53.49GrembleBeantry plain memtest86 tdn
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11:54.38jmabsdcurious, i like to instruct my Debian machine that the default gateway (to reach the Internet, is that called the default route) is IP 1.2.3.4 on ETH0
11:54.39jmabsdhow do i
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11:59.24GrembleBeandepends how your networking is set up jmabsd
12:01.42jmabsdGrembleBean: nothing special. seems the "gateway" in /etc/networking/interfaces suffices maybe
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12:02.57GrembleBeanIf that's how your networking is setup. Network-manager is also a possbility.
12:03.36GrembleBeanfor static setups I find /etc/networking/interfaces the simplest.
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12:24.48tdnGrembleBean, why wouldnt it work, though? This is a fairly new laptop.
12:25.25tdnGrembleBean, I am trying the old memtest86... But still, it should work with +, right?
12:26.23tdnGrembleBean, when trying the non plus version, GRUB says: error: file /memtest86.bin not found
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12:32.15jmcnaughttdn: as far as I know memtest86(+) only boot in legacy BIOS/CSM and not with UEFI.  When I needed to use it recently I just used grml live disk.  The memtest86 package description says a script is included to make a bootable image too.
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12:47.43ratraceno good, the color bits are lost.
12:48.07Haohmaruthe silly HSL algorithm will not care bout that
12:49.16ratraceat best you'll get a monotone out of it
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13:46.10pigeon123Hello. My root user is umask 022.  My administrator is 002.  My normal account is 022.  I didn't change the administrator mask. How?
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13:46.42pigeon123I know how to force umask 022 in the ~/.bashrc but I wonder why?
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13:47.14greycatDetails.  Every single detail.  All the details.  What is "my administrator", how did you log in as this user, what programs did you execute, ALL of them, to get to the point where you could see the umask value?
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13:47.49pigeon123umask 002   after su administrator.   umask 002   after login Ctrl Alt F2
13:47.49Release_greetz whats the name for these packages htmlparse , tdom ?
13:47.54greycatA umask value is part of the execution environment of a PROCESS.  It is not "assigned" to a "user".
13:47.59Release_the proper package name
13:48.14pigeon123Release_: packages.debian.org
13:48.36Release_im there pigeon123
13:48.50Release_was looking there couldnt figure so i thougt id ask here
13:49.03greycatSo you logged in as some user, let's call it "pigeon", using... let's make MORE GUESSES, SHALL WE, because you didn't LISTEN TO ME.  Let's guess that you logged in as pigeon using lightdm, and this gave you an xfce session, and inside this session you opened an xterm and inside this xterm, you typed "su administrator", and inside that shell, you typed "umask".
13:49.08pigeon123Release_: Did you search package description?
13:49.22Release_no
13:49.25Release_how does that work
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13:51.44greycatRunning su uses the PAM configuration in /etc/pam.d/su which does all *kinds* of crap, including reading "default umask" values from /etc/login.defs.  Then it run a NON-login shell as the target user, which will read one or more dot files depending on which shell it is.
13:52.23ratraceRelease_: in what context are those packages? did you try running "apt search htmlparse"?
13:52.26pigeon123Perhaps there is in /etc/ a umask just for my admin?
13:52.32greycatNO
13:52.39greycatIt does not WORK LIKE THATR
13:52.49greycatumasks are set by PROCESSES, not ASSINGED TO USERS
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13:53.01greycatGod, why do I bother.
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13:54.13greycatIf you want to figure out ALL of the steps that could possibly affect the umask value between process A (your xterm) and process B (your bash shell running inside su inside said xterm), you need to dig down through EVERY single freaking layer, and most of them are not documented anywhere you can find.
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13:55.02greycatI've named some of them already -- /etc/pam.d/su and /etc/login.defs.  If your target user's shell is bash, then also ~administrator/.bashrc and /etc/bash.bashrc would be places to look.
13:56.03pigeon123I found something in login.defs about 002
13:56.07greycatI don't even know all of the other things that pam.d/su looks at, because every single line is a new nightmare of digging and pain.
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13:57.16pigeon123USERGROUPS_ENAB    I just wonder why that only affects one user.
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13:57.48greycatIt's far more likely it's in that user's .bashrc.
13:58.53pigeon123For what it's worth, I check the umask in /etc/profile   where for that user it is 002
13:59.31greycat"su administrator" shouldn't read /etc/profile as far as I'm aware.  "su - administrator" would.
13:59.34greycatDetails.
13:59.44Release_tnx ratrace
13:59.45greycatEvery. Single. Detail. Matters.
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14:02.54pigeon123https://search.debian.org/?q=USERGROUPS_ENAB&HITSPERPAGE=10&DB=en&xP=usergroups_enab&xFILTERS=.~~&xDB=en
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14:06.31mackerel449i can't reach gdm without "nomodeset" on a ryzen raven ridge apu, 5.2 backported kernel with no out-of-tree packages
14:07.04mackerel449it's stuck on a low resolution
14:07.19mackerel449^ with "nomodeset"
14:07.52pigeon123Nice CPU
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14:09.00pigeon123mackerel449: Are you using AMD driver?
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14:09.45mackerel449it's a ryzen 3 2200G
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14:11.07mackerel449lsmod lists "amdgpu"
14:11.20pigeon123Kernel is GPL but somehow they allow private drivers. I don't understand
14:12.07pigeon123I suppose there is no "they"
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14:12.32greycat!taint
14:12.32dpkgTainted is the state of your Linux kernel when non-free drivers (e.g. <fglrx>, <nvidia>, <slamr>, <slusb>, <wl>) or <ndiswrapper> are loaded into it.  Kernel hackers and the Debian kernel team will not support tainted kernels.  If /proc/sys/kernel/tainted has a non-zero value, the running kernel is tainted.  http://kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/#s1-18
14:12.32mackerel449"firmware-amd-graphics" is installed
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14:13.16mackerel449dmesg has this line: amdgpu 0000:07:00.0: HDMI-A-1: EDID is invalid: <bunch of hex>  and      [drm:dc_link_detect [amdgpu]] *ERROR* No EDID read.
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14:13.29pigeon123EDID is the monitor
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14:17.47EdePopedeand i've read that this message is pretty normal because the manufacturers simply don't care
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14:18.21pigeon123EdePopede: Perhaps the manuf. only wants their own driver
14:18.53EdePopedepigeon123: ah, i meant the monitors :)
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14:19.04omajidhey folks. i come from rpm land and have a question about debian packages. rpm packages have a concept of directory ownership. for example the 'filesystem' package owns the directory /usr/bin. Is there an analogue in debian?
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14:20.19pigeon123Well, a user owns a directory... dpkg works like: rmdir unless it's empty
14:20.25pigeon123rmdir if it's empty
14:20.29EdePopedeomajid: you could do something like `dpkg -S /usr/bin` which gives you a list of packages which include a specific file
14:21.26omajidEdePopede: ah, so i packages can own/provide files, but not directories? got it.
14:21.31omajids/i packages/packages/
14:21.33EdePopedeomajid: and then there's `dpkg -L $pck` to get the filelist from a package
14:21.47omajidthanks!
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14:21.59tdnjmcnaught, oh. I am not sure I use UEFI. How do I check?
14:22.00_aeris_hello here!
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14:22.12pigeon123tdn, BIOS
14:22.26_aeris_"
14:22.27_aeris_E: Method store has died unexpectedly!
14:22.29_aeris_E: Sub-process store received a segmentation fault.
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14:22.42_aeris_does this message tell something to anybody ? :s
14:22.48_aeris_on apt update
14:22.58pigeon123_aeris_: I'm a programmer... That might mean out of memory
14:22.58_aeris_no way to use this command, each time got this error…
14:23.18jellyomajid: the directory is initially created by unpacking the base-files package, but there's no explicit dir ownership.  Instead, every package that ships /usr/bin/foo also contains directories /, /usr, and /usr/bin
14:23.23_aeris_3.8Go free memory
14:23.46EdePopedewell not own. look debian packages are in the end good old .ar archives with a data tarball and a controll tarball
14:23.48jellyomajid: (ok, some do not contain /)
14:23.54omajidjelly: thanks. in a way, that makes complete sense
14:23.57nvz<PROTECTED>
14:24.14jellyit was probably the simplest thing that would work
14:24.40ratracealso good for chroots
14:25.09jellyomajid: this also means that you can basically replace almost any directory with a symlink to a copy (or mved) with same contents and still keep dpkg happy
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14:25.31pigeon123ratrace: What's good for chroots?
14:25.55ratracethat each package lists the directory structure it needs + what jelly just said as there's no dir ownership
14:25.56jellyproblems would appear only if you removed the last package shipping that dir, only symlink would disappear
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14:26.34zerox2ahow can I change the default keyboard layout / keymap of a specific user on a debian 10 server? I know how to change the default / system wide keyboard layout but this is not what I want. I would like the specific user to have a different layout
14:26.39pigeon123ratrace: Have you ever chroot then connect to X using UNIX domain socket?
14:26.49ratracepigeon123: yes
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14:27.13jellyzerox2a: how do they log in?  Console?  GUI (gdm/sddm)?
14:27.18pigeon123ratrace: How does that socket work?
14:27.26zerox2a@jelly console only
14:27.32ratracepigeon123: what do you mean?
14:27.39jellyzerox2a: then no way that I know of.
14:27.40pigeon123I mean, the chroot can't see /tmp/
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14:28.08greycatyou could re-mount /tmp inside the chroot
14:28.18ratracepigeon123: bind mount /tmp/.X11-unix into the chroot
14:28.19jellyzerox2a: a user logged in at the console can run loadkeys [some keymap], but that makes the change persist on console until reboot
14:28.55pigeon123I know how to mount a HDD in two places... I just wonder about my /tmp because it is tmpfs
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14:29.21ratracepigeon123: bind-mount, and you only need the .X11-unix dir
14:29.29jellypigeon123: you can bind-mount /tmp/.X11-unix if you need to
14:29.31zerox2ajelly: yes, I know of loadkeys and use it currently. I think I will just change the system wide keymap temporarily as I am the only one currently working on the server until it will be returned to the customer. Thanks for your time!
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14:33.29pigeon123Is bind-mount on man mount?
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14:33.50greycatsearch for "bind"
14:35.33pigeon123My idea is to install Ubuntu then clear sources.list, then chroot install Debian
14:36.13ratrace"install Ubuntu" .... ight imma head out
14:36.28nvzpigeon123: schroot
14:36.40nvzpigeon123: it does all this for you
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14:36.56nvz,i schroot
14:36.58juddPackage schroot (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Execute commands in a chroot environment. Version: 1.6.10-6+b1; Size: 777.2k; Installed: 2728k; Homepage: https://gitlab.com/codelibre/schroot; O: #900874
14:37.03jellypigeon123: you can use debootstrap from any linux to set up a chroot with debian in it.  schroot is one of nicer wrappers for debootstrap.
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14:37.27nvzo.O
14:37.57greycathttps://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/apds03.en.html
14:38.02nvzidk that I'd call schroot a wrapper for debootstrap, it doesn't really have anything to do with debootstrap
14:38.17greycatOfficial Instructions for debootstrap
14:38.32ayekatisn't schroot simply for being able to chroot without requiring root permissions?
14:38.35nvzits just a command that allows running things inside a chroot as a normal user and does some extra stuff like setting up the environment
14:39.10nvzi.e. won't have to play with xauth and bind mounts and crap, it can take care of all that
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14:42.09nvzI personally have only used it with debootstrap, to run things from other branches, but its not really dependant upon or interfaces with that in any way
14:43.25Akuwrsync doesnt allow to copy from one remote to another remote?
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14:43.45AkuwThe source and destination cannot both be remote
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14:45.49HabbieAkuw, indeed
14:45.52nvzthey can, you just can't initiate it from local, without wrapping it in an ssh or other such command
14:46.03HabbieAkuw, but if you can log in to one of the machines, maybe you can rsync from there to the other one
14:46.13Habbie'scp' has some magic to pipe everything through the local machine - rsync does not have that magic
14:48.20nvzscp -o magic then@miracle:occurs ...
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14:50.15Habbiehehe
14:50.17Habbieit's scp -3
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14:50.59nvzthinks . o O ( https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d6/e7/54/d6e754d24aaef324c1595e68583ace7a.png )
14:51.42Habbiehaha
14:53.24han-solonvz: Thank you :)
14:53.26han-soloI needed it
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14:53.40Loperatrace, are you around bud?
14:54.07LopeI've finally got time to setup my new server with dropbear
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14:57.28ratraceLope: Im on my way out, I'll be back a bit later
14:57.41Loperatrace, okay before you run, do you have a link for me
14:57.46Lopefor a guide on setting up dropbear?
14:58.25Lopeof course when I do the final reboot on the remote server, it's quite important to know that the dropbear SSH server will be accessible and work properly
14:58.45LopeBut I'm going to test by practising on a VM.
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14:59.25tdnnvz, I will not blindly paste sensitive data to a public pastebin. I would advise against encouraging this behavior.
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15:00.03ratraceLope: I don't, but there are a few steps you need to do: setup authorized_keys (in dropbear's format with dropbearconver)   and set up networking via initramfs.conf
15:00.39Loperatrace, fair enough, thanks for the tips. Okay well I'll look for a guide. In the mean time I'm getting started on setting up the VM.
15:00.41LtLtdn: did you resolve your libreoffice issue?
15:00.58tdnLtL, no :(
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15:01.23tdnLtL, I gave up following umpteen levels of conflicts/dependencies
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15:01.51ratraceLope: this is the initramfs network setup from our ansible plays. Guess you'll figure out what goes where: https://dpaste.de/TZn7
15:01.58LtLtdn: that's unfortunate
15:02.09tdnYeah
15:02.12Loperatrace, ah, amazing, thanks
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15:02.23LtLtdn: i know it's repairable.
15:02.27ratraceLope: that's /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/irrelevant-name.conf
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15:04.13ratraceLope: and these two from the installation script:  https://dpaste.de/abOs
15:04.29ratracethat's pretty much it for that part of initramfs.
15:04.31ratracegtg now
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15:05.46tdnLtL, yeah, I just spent way too much time on it. and I kinda fear breaking something.
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15:09.01nvztdn: dmidecode -t 0 then, or just figure it out yourself, or wear a tin foil hat :P
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15:09.39nvzunless you have active remote accessible code in your BIOS there is nothing sensitive about that information
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15:10.34tdnnvz, lots of uniqe info, though.
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15:10.55tdn(that might doxx someone)
15:12.30nvzyes well short of a whole lot of people helping me design a new support interface that takes these sorts of things into account, there is no way to provide support without providing information.. so people either need to figure it out themselves or leave their foil hats outside :P
15:12.43nvzand I've already proposed just such a system
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15:13.32nvzin this case dmidecode -t 0 | grep -i uefi  would've sufficed
15:13.48nvz/probably/
15:14.05nvzproblem is the information dmidecode provides is highly inconsistent
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15:15.33nvzwe /could/ narrow down the information we request more.. but that requires more knowledge on the supporters end, longer more complex commands, and risk of excluding important information that may leave people chasing wild geese
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15:24.27NetTerminalGenewhy is most distros based off debian?
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15:24.47greycatbecause Debian doesn't suck?
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15:29.30sangyhow does a user "confirm" that they want to update their testing version from buster to bullseye? I don't see any specific instructions on /etc/apt/preferences or /etc/apt/sources.list
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15:30.00greycatrun "apt update" instead of "apt-get update"
15:30.19sangyah, cool. Sorry I should get used to apt by now...
15:30.23greycator at least that's my guess, based on the steps required to upgrade from buster-as-testing to buster-as-stable
15:30.36sangyyeah, you were right
15:30.46sangyso should I just drop the usage of apt-get altogether?
15:31.03sangy> Segmentation faultsts... 0%
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15:33.40Akuwcan i use rsync to sync many sources and many destinations?
15:33.55jellyAkuw: one destination maximum per command.
15:34.10Akuwi mean, i want to sync dir/ dir2/ dir3/      to  dir1/   dir2/   dir3/
15:34.17Akuwupsss
15:34.41Akuwthen start a new connection for every sync right?
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15:35.27jellyprobably, unless all the sources have the same parent and all the destinations have the same parent and you can use excludes to avoid everything around
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15:36.24rkeeneAnyone a debian package maintainer looking for a new package to adopt ?  I submitted a new package ( https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=940041 ) and I'm open to doing work to make it easier to add to Debian :-D
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15:38.02somiajrkeene: are you wanting to create and matain that package? Or just waiting for someone else to pick it up?
15:38.16rkeeneIdeally someone who is already maintaining some Debian packages would pick it up
15:38.31rkeeneI already have some other open source software that's in Debian as well
15:38.57jellythe maintainer would preferably actually _use_ the software
15:39.24rkeeneI'm more than happy to mail the maintainer a card and reader
15:39.29somiajThen you just need to wait for someone who wants to. If you wanted to create a package and matain it, then you would just need to find a sponsor to upload it to debian.
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15:41.25rkeenesomiaj, I'm motivated to help someone want to do it, so I can stop maintaining my own debian packages for it (which really I just convert from RPMs -- to the detriment of Debian users)
15:42.30rkeene( https://cackey.rkeene.org/fossil/artifact/374de8e6feb5135e  is what I do now)
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15:43.04e_hates_jewswe should take a vote to ban the racist
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15:43.10e_hates_jewsgo to #freenode
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15:43.34sangyjelly: thanks
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15:44.03rkeeneAlso, it's pretty mature software at this point so shouldn't be too much work for a maintainer
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15:48.07sangyhas anybody ran into this?
15:48.09sangyE: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-signed-amd64/linux-image-5.2.0-2-amd64_5.2.9-2_amd64.deb  Hash Sum mismatch
15:48.17greycat!debian-next
15:48.18dpkg#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode.  If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
15:48.34sangygreycat: oh thanks
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15:53.08aleph-Is there a dry-run option for `apt --fix-broken install`
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15:53.51jellyno idea about apt, but a -s or --dry-run can be added to apt-get -f install
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15:54.15mackerel449why is raven ridge still broken with 5.2 kernel? it barely works with "nomodeset"
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15:56.57jellymackerel449: that's probably a question for the (upstream) kernel people, not necessarily the distro
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16:03.41buttsexlole mniip \emph{grumble}
16:03.48buttsexlolyou gonna ban me again?
16:03.59buttsexlolwhat you gonna do?
16:04.05buttsexlolim waiting
16:04.10buttsexlolcome and get me niggers
16:04.24FinalXwas gonna say, keep going and it'll fix itself
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16:24.17Lopeanyone here want to chat about dropbear and full disk encryption on a remote server?\
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16:31.24Lopecrickets?
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16:37.29tdnVirtualbox just stopped working after installing recent upgrades available to Debian 9? When I start a VM, it says: "error in supr3hardenedmain"  "failed to open a session for the virtual machine" "Effective UID is not root" "please try reinstalling virtualbox". I have already tried doing apt install --reinstall virtualbox-6.0 but this does not solve it.
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16:41.58tdnI recently had to move /usr to a different volume. On that volume, I changed mount options to include nosuid
16:42.02tdnThis was the cause...
16:42.55ratraceLope: yea
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16:45.38avalchevtdn, I don't think that VirtualBox is going to work on Debian anymore. Use qemu.
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16:46.47avalchevtdn, you can check here: https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox
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16:47.42tdnavalchev, ok. Can qemu do the same? Last I tried qemu it was a huge pain to get windows guests to work correctly
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16:59.01Mathisen,v zsh
16:59.02juddPackage: zsh on amd64 -- jessie: 5.0.7-5+b1; stretch: 5.3.1-4+b3; bullseye: 5.7.1-1; buster: 5.7.1-1; sid: 5.7.1-1
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17:00.04nvzuses Virtualbox 6.0 on Buster without a problem
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17:00.53nvzI actually just upgraded to 6.0.12 a couple days ago
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17:10.37Akuwi am running rsync but in subfolders it adds foldername?    "?"
17:10.40Akuwwhy?
17:10.46SerajewelKSvbox isn't in the official buster repo.  i took that opportunity to learn kvm.
17:10.56Akuwrsync -r origin destination
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17:16.18lavendereyesqemu/kvm + virt-manager is a great replacement for virtualbox, but i feel bridged networking is a bit harder with qemu/kvm
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17:19.13SerajewelKSlavendereyes: you have to set up a bridge interface, yes.  i already have one for a VPN though.
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17:19.31SerajewelKSthe way virtualbox does bridged networking is a bit odd, it basically sniffs an existing physical network and injects packets into it
17:19.37SerajewelKSit doesn't use a real bridge
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17:29.52lavendereyesright, once it's done it works, but it's a little messy in my opinion when setting it up the first time
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17:31.04lavendereyesin my case i have a sample /etc/network/interfaces that does the job
17:32.07lavendereyesbut this method doesn't seem to be possible over wireless networking
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17:35.29Akuwi am running rsync but in subfolders it adds foldername?    "?"
17:35.32Akuwrsync -r origin destination
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17:36.11humbottrailing slash is significant with rsync Akuw
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17:36.32Akuwi am using it
17:36.36hoptrailing slashes really are significant everywhere
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17:37.17greycat*very* much so in rsync.  less so in most other places.
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17:37.29hopAkuw: where are you using the slash?
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17:38.09Akuwi am using --->   rsync -r /path/folder/   user@192.168.22.250:/home/my/folder/
17:38.23velixFor about 4 months, I'm using `apt` now. Is `apt` older or newer als `apt-get` or `aptitude` ?
17:38.28nvzkudos to those who pry.. I read the question twice now and ignored it.. heh.. cause I knew they were lying
17:38.28hopAkuw: and what's the result?
17:38.42hopAkuw: /home/my/folder/folder ?
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17:39.04hop.oO(please don't call directories folders)
17:39.09Akuwthis create /home/my/folder/somefolder?
17:39.22hopAkuw: certainly not
17:39.26Akuwone ? at the end of subfolder
17:39.42hopAkuw: it can't be somefolder. there was no some in you commandline
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17:40.29Akuwbecause rsync is creating the origin folder
17:40.40Akuwthat folders doesnt exist in destination
17:40.41blizzowIs there some massive push or coordinated project to get debian off python 2.x?
17:40.49hopAkuw: cd to the original's parent directory and `ls -d folder | xxd`
17:40.55hopwhat's the output
17:40.56hop?
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17:41.55Akuwi am suing cygwin
17:42.12hopyeah, they should be sued
17:42.52greycatblizzow: yes, there is a "python 2 removal" transition in bullseye
17:42.52hopAkuw: i think we misunderstood you… is there directory /path/folder/somefolder in the original?
17:43.22greycathttps://release.debian.org/transitions/   -> python2-rm (0%)
17:44.00Habbiegreycat, wow :(
17:44.01Akuwyes
17:44.03Habbiegreycat, that's a lot of work
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17:44.32nvzAkuw: http://paste.debian.net/1100139/
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17:45.16hopAkuw: this is not #cygwin, you know… but there is an xxd package for cygwin
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17:45.45greycatare Akuw and wwilliam twins separated at birth?
17:46.12XLS202Hey, I have a problem with my network speed in one direction. I can recvive data from the server with nearly on 110mb/s but then i want to transmit to the server the speed drops to about 70mb/s. My server has Debian 9 with a back portet kernal, the problem appeard as I switched the mainboard. Has anyone an idea how to trouble shoot it?
17:46.13Akuwhehehehe
17:46.57Akuwthe sync is working fine from debian to windows, but when do from windows to linux i got that issue
17:47.32hopAkuw: just run the hexdump on the filename
17:48.09greycatsince Windows has been invoked in this problem, the immediate step is to check for carriage returns in the input file(s)
17:49.00greycatthere are dozens of ways to do that, from real vi (not vim, unless you configure vim to stop "helping") to sed -n l to cat -vtue ...
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17:49.39hopthe issue is with the file name
17:50.08greycata file name taken from an actual directory?  or a file name taken from a text file?
17:50.17Akuwno
17:50.21Akuwis with dir name
17:50.35Akuwthis name is created with ?  at the end
17:50.49hopAkuw: can you please. just. check. the original.
17:51.13greycatlast I heard from this person, there was a text file full of file names
17:51.21Akuwwait
17:51.33greycatI did not even bother asking why.
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17:51.45hopgreycat: last the rest of us heard they did a simple rsync -r
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17:51.56Akuwupsss
17:51.59Akuwi saw
17:52.23hopthe suspense is killing me…
17:52.55Akuwthe problem is the script was created in sublime, so when i get sync from bedian the script adds '$'\r'
17:53.05Akuwat the end of each dir
17:53.23Akuwthen when i sync from windows to debian got same folder name
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17:54.46karlpincXLS202: The first question is: how do you know?  You can use flood pings, both with and without a full IP payload.  You can use ttcp.
17:55.10karlpincXLS202: Also, look at the kernel logs and see if it wants some non-free firmware, or has some other issue.
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17:55.46Akuwgreycat: the problem is editor and cygwin
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17:56.28karlpincXLS202: Depending on the board a newer kernel could be tried.  Either from backports or just upgrade to buster.  Since you're going to have to upgrade anway sooner or later that might be a good first step.  Who knows whether what you'd have to do to fix it would be different on buster.
17:57.18karlpincXLS202: Er, I guess nttcp these days.
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18:00.22XLS202karlpinc: Also i tried it with a filetransfer to windows (multiple PCs) and iperf. And I want to upgrade the server, but i wanted to fix it till i have time for it.
18:00.47XLS202karlpinc: And I use a newer kernel from the backports
18:01.16gdarkois systemd network by default the new networking for debian 10?
18:01.22greycatno.
18:01.35greycat/etc/network/interfaces is still the norm
18:02.36gdarkoSo i installed Debian 10.1 buster and it looks like it is disabled, isn't it?
18:02.37gdarkohttp://prntscr.com/p4v3zn
18:02.58gdarkoThis is minimal image on dedicated server
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18:06.26hopdoesn't say it is disabled
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18:38.47shtrbAre  crontab scripts discouraged this days ?
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18:38.58greycatno
18:39.00filpAMHow to install wine32 on debian 64?
18:39.22filpAMonly the wine64 packages are visible
18:39.32shtrbthanks greycat
18:40.53shtrbfilepAM , dpkg --add-archtecture i386 ,https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO
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18:43.21greycatSpeaking of which, does anyone actually understand systemd timers, and unattended-upgrades?  I cannot make any sense of this: http://paste.debian.net/1100147/
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18:44.01greycatWhy does it say "Adding ___ random time" twice, at varying times each day?
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18:44.58diogenes_for me the answe is short, i always disable thomse services :)
18:45.03diogenes_answer*
18:45.34EdePopedei read something (unrelated to systemd) about this behaviour, it is to prevent execution at exact the same time to avoid an attack vector for known timings for high cpu loads.
18:45.39filpAMshtrb: Will it work too if I download the wine32 dpkg file and install it, so I dont need to specify my apt listing to include i386 packages?
18:45.55shtrb!frankestien
18:46.28greycatEdePopede: yes, got that, understand the GOAL, but why the hell does it run TWO TIMES at 06:06 on day 1, then TWO MORE TIMES at 06:36 on day 2, each time saying it's adding some time?  I would expect to see it run ONCE at 06:06 or whatever every day.
18:46.29shtrbfilpAM, you are about to have bad time if you start getting packages from the web, using multiarch is a pain in itself if done inproperly
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18:47.41greycatthe unit file says   OnCalendar=*-*-* 6,18:00   RandomizedDelaySec=12h
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18:48.10greycatwell, one of them does.  the other one says   OnCalendar=*-*-* 6:00   RandomizedDelaySec=60m
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18:49.19greycatand even then I could think, "Hmm, maybe the log file shows the results *after* the addition of random time, not before", but then why does it say it's ADDING time at the END of the randomized interval, and why does it shows up TWICE, with each instance adding a different amount of random time?
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19:12.22at0mgreycat: for one, they're different activities - "apt-daily-upgrade.timer - Daily apt upgrade and clean activities" and "apt-daily.timer - Daily apt download activities"
19:12.39greycatyes, I'm looking at each .timer separately
19:13.05greycatalthough obviously they are related to each other, and the lack of symmetry or synchronization between them is laughable and stupid
19:13.50at0mright, they could be executed in sequence. apt update, download and upgrade, then clean
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19:56.06maxtimtime to pull out the trusty O'Reilly text book
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19:58.14gdarkois it possible to switch away from systemd networking?
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19:59.17gdarkothe interfaces on my end is empty and it uses /etc/systemd/network/ for the network. I really want to use the /etc/network/interfaces file.
19:59.18greycathowever you turned it on, you can turn it off the same way
19:59.32gdarkoIt comes with the installation
19:59.44greycatif your interfaces are NOT defined in /e/n/i then you are probably using network-manager or connman
20:02.17somiajgdarko: what version of debian are you running? Debian disables networkd by default, so you have to enable it to use it.
20:02.27greycat14:02  gdarko> http://prntscr.com/p4v3zn
20:02.34greycatit seems to be an image site so I have no idea what it says
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20:04.22Devastatorgreycat if it helps, it is a printscreen of the contents of /etc/network/interfaces saying "source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*"
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20:06.01dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: bindi complains about a problem (see above)
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20:06.54gdarkogreycat: so you say that the original debian image doesn't use systemd for networking?
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20:07.10abrotmanbindi: can you PM me the message(s)?
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20:07.40abrotmanbindi: Thanks
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20:08.59somiajgdarko: correct, debian disables networkd and will either use the interfaces file (default for any interface setup with the installer) or network-manager (default for lots of desktop installs)
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20:09.36gdarkoThanks. Voila
20:09.47avalchevdarko, if you are using dhcp, then is Network-Manager
20:09.55gdarkoI will search official debian image
20:10.07greycatavalchev: not necessarily.
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20:10.31avalchevYes, but usually that's the case :)
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20:26.41maxtimAlthough I had set "force create/directory mode = 0775" as well as create/directory mode = 0775 in smb.conf, I thought that would have created correct permissions for linux users
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20:29.07Scriptonauthey all, I'm on debian stretch, with dwm for my window manager. I am trying to run an app image, and I get: "Cannot connect to secret service api" and "Please check that you are not running trinity as root user and the gnome-keyring-daemon process is running"
20:29.31ScriptonautI checked, gnome-keyring wasn't installed, so I installed it, then ran gnome-keyring-daemon -s, however I still get the error. Am I not starting gnome-keyring-daemon correctly?
20:29.56Scriptonautit's not installed as a service, more like a program that can optionally run as a daemon
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21:06.34ihateAdminshello, i'm having a issue with my internet connection on my debian server Desktop is MATE. Everytime when it gets a suspend or standby i cannot connect to any services like ssh/vsftpd anymore but i can still ping the server. The status of the services are running as well. In order to be able to connect to the services i have to ping my pc and only
21:06.34ihateAdminsthen the services become back available. I hope you can help me out on this. Thanks in advance
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21:10.39ihateAdminsi have disabled screensaver and power manager, so i don't know why it is going to suspend/standby in first place..
21:10.51ihateAdminsit is doing that only in login screen
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21:12.52DelfUpgraded to Stable (from oldstable). Now, whenever a user logs off from one seat, all the other seats locks.
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21:14.11twobitsprite"seat"?
21:14.49karlpincDelf: As in graphical login session?
21:14.52GenTooManperhaps users?
21:16.07karlpincihateAdmins: Is there some sort of sleep the bios (or uefi) does with a "wake-on-lan" sort of functionality?  Is there anything in /var/log/syslog?
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21:17.11Delftwobitsprite: It's a multiseat setup.
21:17.30DelfYes, karlpinc, a graphical login session.
21:18.23karlpincDelf: What desktop software?  (Just poking the problem.)  What do you do to recover?  Is there anything in the logs?
21:19.01Delfkarlpinc: GNOME. I must select the username relevant and type in password again
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21:19.16ihateAdminskarlpinc no and syslog isn't showing any problems. I am waking the server up with a usb keyboard
21:19.26karlpincDelf: What does "lock" mean -- some dialog pops up?  Can you ssh to the box?  Ping it?  Can a new user login?
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21:20.49karlpincDelf: Are you using XDMCP and logging in from a X server?
21:21.14Delfkarlpinc: Are you familiar with multiseat?
21:21.47karlpincDelf: I run X over the network and can login from mulitiple remote boxes.
21:21.54DelfLock as in screen goes into standby.
21:22.02karlpincInto the gui.  But don't use gnome.
21:23.01Delfkarlpinc: Check this out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiseat_configuration
21:23.36karlpincDelf: What happens if you use something besides gnome?  I am randomly guessing that this has something to do with gnome switching out for something besides X -- but I don't recall any details at all.
21:23.45karlpincDelf: Yah.  Nothing new.
21:24.42karlpincDelf: If I'm recalling right, there's a way to "switch back".  I think the switch was to wayland.
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21:25.06brutserif install linux (debian) on an SD card, is there any partition scheme that is desirable? should i use a swap partition? advise is welcome!
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21:26.17karlpincbrutser: In my opinion a swap partition is always good.  Even on an SD card.  There may well be stuff that gets into RAM but is rarely used.  Swap it out and use the ram for something that needs it.
21:26.33Delfkarlpinc: Haven't tried anything other than GDM/GNOME, yet.
21:26.56karlpincDelf: If it only happens with gnome that narrows it down.
21:27.11brutserkarlpinc: someone else strongly advised me NOT to use swap as it will decrease lifespan of the SD card <
21:27.58karlpincbrutser: Look at the specs of your SD card and do the math.  Last time I did I got a lifespan of 8-10 years, which was plenty good enough.
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21:28.50EdePopedei've even seen suggestions to ALWAYS use swap, no matter how much RAM there is. even if it uses RAM for swapping. (zmem or what it was?)
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21:28.56SerajewelKSbrutser: swap with zswap turned on is good in that scenario
21:29.04karlpincbrutser: On the other hand, if you have enough ram that you don't need swap then even if you have swap it won't get used.
21:29.31nvzthat may have been true at one point in time
21:29.39brutserkarlpinc: ok
21:29.56brutserSerajewelKS: ok, will look into zswap, don't know that concept
21:29.57SerajewelKSbrutser: zswap will compress swapped memory (ostentsibly reducing wear on the card) but may also totally avoid writing swapped pages to physical storage, which is good for both extending the life of the card and for performance (possibly reducing IOPs to slow storage).
21:30.29karlpincsdcards are brutally slow
21:30.40SerajewelKSyep, that's a very good reason to turn on zswap
21:30.56karlpincEspecially for writes.
21:31.06SerajewelKSzswapped pages aren't immediately written to disk, only if memory pressure increases more
21:31.27SerajewelKSthey're compressed and held in ram instead, until there's not enough ram left and then it writes the LRU pages out first
21:31.53SerajewelKSit's not a panacea but if you operate close to your memory capacity, it can give you just a bit more without immediately leaning on slow storage
21:32.32SerajewelKSit's a good trade-off if there are enough spare CPU cycles for compression
21:33.10SerajewelKSin my experience the ratio is always very close to 50%
21:34.43SerajewelKSi should clarify, the default zswap mempool maximum size is 20% of your RAM. so if you have 1GB of RAM and pages compress 50% on average, your 1GB can hold:  1GB * 0.8 + 1GB * 0.2 * 2 = 1.2GB
21:35.37ihateAdminsi hope this will fix it .. /etc/systemd/logind.conf => IdleAction=ignore
21:35.37brutserSerajewelKS: system is not short of ram, 16gb
21:35.43SerajewelKSthere's still swap-out overhead and the interrupt causing swap-in overhead but if that extra 256MB can avoid being written to your slow SD card, on average the system will be faster
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21:36.02SerajewelKSbrutser: so the numbers come out to ~19.2GB
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21:36.41SerajewelKSobviously this makes the assumption that pages will be compressed ~50%
21:37.08EdePopederam doubler
21:37.15SerajewelKSwhen the mempool fills up, the _compressed_ pages are written out, so you're reducing write size by ~50% as well (this may or may not reduce the number of IOPs)
21:39.20swift110hey all
21:39.55SerajewelKSbrutser: note that you can enable it while the system is running and it activates transparently.  to turn it on permanently, you have to add "zswap.enabled=1" to your kernel command line (usually by editing /etc/default/grub then running update-grub)
21:40.14brutseryes i already read that part
21:40.28SerajewelKSbrutser: do not confuse zswap with zram, which is a different thing that is designed for when you _don't_ have a physical swap volume
21:40.57SerajewelKSzram with physical swap is silly and performs worse than zswap in that scenario
21:41.10brutserwell i try to find "optimal" solution for when having an SD card as storage for the filesystem
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21:43.40brutserSerajewelKS: so basically i have enough ram 16gb, but a slow i/o performing SD card, as karlpinc said, writes are slow
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21:44.51SerajewelKSbrutser: right.  so the optimal solution is to have enough RAM so you don't need swap.
21:45.08SerajewelKShowever, some services assume swap and do weird things without it (RDBMSes are notorious for this)
21:45.14brutseryes
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21:45.33SerajewelKSso if you need swap, a swap volume on physical media with zswap turned on is probably the best choice
21:45.41brutserok
21:45.55brutserand the size of the swap partition can be relatively small?
21:45.59SerajewelKSif you 100% do not want a physical swap volume, then you could use zram instead
21:46.18brutserok
21:46.29SerajewelKSmost swap volumes are recommended to be 1-2 times the size of your RAM but this really is only strictly necessary if you will use hibernation
21:46.44SerajewelKSif you have 16GB RAM then 2-4GB swap is probably fine if you won't hibernate
21:46.53brutseryes ok
21:47.36SerajewelKSRDBMSes in particular like to lock stuff in RAM and then gauge how much free RAM there is and operate really close to the system limit, relying on swap to catch stuff if the DB pushes too hard on RAM.  you could configure the DB to limit its RAM use.
21:47.44SerajewelKSor just having swap to catch that kind of stuff is also fine
21:48.15SerajewelKSthat's where zswap can allow the system to push into swap a little bit without actually hitting a physical swap volume
21:48.41brutseris the filesystem important? ext4, zsf, f2fs?
21:48.51brutseri dont think sd card can trim?
21:49.27SerajewelKSext4 is probably fine on modern SD cards.  f2fs is mostly intended for NVRAM that doesn't know how to wear-level; f2fs does wear-leveling for it.
21:49.42brutseryes ok
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21:49.55brutserthanks for the help, appreciate it!
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21:50.10SerajewelKSif you use f2fs on NVRAM that does wear-leveling then you have two logical block abstractions and wear-leveling processes happening and one will actually work and the other won't be doing anything useful
21:50.24SerajewelKSnp
21:50.56SerajewelKSi gotta run, if you have any other questions hopefully someone else here can answer
21:54.35Delfkarlpinc: It's happening with KDE Plasma too.
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22:24.29SchwarzbaerHi. I appear to be behind the times when it comes to adminning. usermod is gone in Buster?
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22:25.09jmcnaught!buster su
22:25.09dpkgThe <su> command changed in buster: it no longer overrides the PATH variable so commands normally available to root are not found. Put ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes in /etc/login.defs to get an approximation of the old behavior, or just use `su -` instead of plain `su`. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for workarounds.
22:25.16jmcnaughtSchwarzbaer: probably this ^^
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22:27.32SchwarzbaerThanks.
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22:56.18ihateAdminsmy problem still remains. After almost 90minutes the connection died
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23:01.16digital-_-mystikthe other driver needed is spice-vdagent which is available
23:01.53digital-_-mystiksorry if this is the wrong place to ask
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23:04.29swift110hmm
23:05.42warsoulthis is the second time my pc freezes
23:05.50warsoulcan someone help me
23:05.51ihateAdminsthe ssh service randomly just crashed again
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23:06.28ihateAdminsthere is nothing in the syslog and status. it is still running, but until i ping to my router it is not available
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23:07.49ihateAdminsthe problem seems to be wpa_supplicant
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23:08.06ihateAdminsbut i can ping the pc all the time idk why the services aren't available then as well
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23:16.48warsouland my system is up to date
23:18.24jlbucknerdigital-_-mystik, I think the package on Debian is xserver-xorg-video-qxl.
23:18.52jlbucknerapt info shows "This package is built from the X.org xf86-video-qxl driver module."
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23:22.10digital-_-mystikjlbuckner: thanks
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