| 00:00.18 | plzhelp11111 | I'm assuming that is not compatible in any way with minecraft mods |
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| 00:00.54 | nvz | plzhelp11111: I wouldnt just assume that, it'd be worth looking into.. you can save yourself money and aggrivation using an open version |
| 00:01.11 | nvz | it has a lot of mods already packaged in debian as my paste shows |
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| 00:01.55 | iuiututa | migrate to valve and be happy to what they offer tons of games with no headache of dependencies |
| 00:02.28 | nvz | plzhelp11111: https://content.minetest.net/ also seems to have a large online content library |
| 00:04.16 | nvz | looks like there are over 500 mods available on their website and more easily written in lua |
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| 00:05.27 | humpled | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.33 | humpled | that was fun |
| 00:06.13 | humpled | i never wrote lua before that and could tweak or even invent items |
| 00:06.34 | iuiututa | civilization uses lua a lot |
| 00:06.39 | humpled | and all their interactive properties |
| 00:06.47 | iuiututa | and is a damn super game |
| 00:07.16 | humpled | interestin |
| 00:07.29 | iuiututa | and the AI of civilization is outstanding |
| 00:07.33 | plzhelp11111 | Okay, I untar'd the file from oracle, how do I actually install this |
| 00:07.37 | plzhelp11111 | it's just a directory with the binaries |
| 00:07.38 | nvz | I prefer opensim, though I wish it wasn't coded in .NET :P |
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| 00:08.44 | nvz | or SecondLife.. easier to use interface and more capable IMHO |
| 00:09.22 | humpled | never tried any of them except minetest |
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| 00:09.44 | humpled | which i can confirm ran okay on core2 machines |
| 00:09.51 | iuiututa | minestuff is for toddlers |
| 00:10.15 | humpled | whatever |
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| 00:13.00 | iuiututa | hum |
| 00:13.26 | humbabl | pl |
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| 00:14.02 | iuiututa | pidgin should be more smart |
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| 00:16.21 | iuiututa | is there anyone in channel that activated the contest? |
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| 00:20.26 | iuiututa | the contest to packages installation? |
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| 00:24.03 | iuiututa | wish could spend my neurons here... |
| 00:24.35 | iuiututa | HELPING people |
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| 00:25.41 | deltapi | I recently lost my audio in gnome/pulseaudio - I can play directly to the card with ogg123, but pulseaudio only registers a dummy output. I've tried deleting the contents of ~/.config/pulse as well as /run/user/1000/pulse and restarting pulse, as well as full reboots, but I've had no luck. |
| 00:25.50 | deltapi | Any suggestions on how to get my audio back? |
| 00:26.31 | deltapi | Running buster |
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| 00:28.35 | LtL | !timidity pulseaudio |
| 00:28.35 | dpkg | Some users have had <timidity> blocking access to their sound card, resulting in <pulseaudio> only seeing a dummy output. Check if timidity is running with 'systemctl status timidity' and stop/disable with 'systemctl stop timidity ; systemctl disable timidity' and/or remove the timidity-daemon package. |
| 00:29.05 | LtL | deltapi: ^^^^ may apply to you. |
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| 00:31.10 | deltapi | LtL, that was exactly my problem. After stopping timidity and doing a pulseaudio -k && pulseaudio -D I've got working sound. |
| 00:31.13 | deltapi | Thank you very much |
| 00:31.23 | LtL | deltapi: welcome |
| 00:31.39 | deltapi | now I need to figure out why I couldn't find that timidity was the culprit with my lsof command... :) |
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| 01:27.43 | pi0 | does debian distro also include amazon like ubuntu |
| 01:29.41 | deltathree14 | pi0, sorry, I don't understand your question. |
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| 01:41.53 | pi0 | i noticed that ubuntu now has amazon is other commercial links when i installed it |
| 01:42.44 | pi0 | it had an amazon button |
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| 01:45.31 | saptech | I doubt debian will have it |
| 01:45.34 | LtL | pi0: debian does no such commercial nonsense |
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| 01:47.16 | pi0 | only issue is if i can use it on my surface pro 6 |
| 01:50.35 | karlpinc | pi0: If you do a trial install use the unoffical netinstall with non-free firmware included. |
| 01:50.44 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 01:50.44 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 02:20.07 | AlpacaFace | Hello. I can't seem to find a proper way to repack the initrd image after imaging. I used unmkinitramfs, which worked beautifully to unpack. How would I go about repackaging the two folders Main and Early please? |
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| 02:20.51 | AlpacaFace | after decompressing (not imaging), sorry.. |
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| 02:23.03 | jedix | mkinitramfs ? |
| 02:23.27 | karlpinc | AlpacaFace: Maybe |
| 02:23.39 | karlpinc | /usr/share/doc/initramfs-tools-core/HACKING would be helpful. |
| 02:26.36 | karlpinc | And usually it's update-initramfs that is what is wanted to build initramfs-s. |
| 02:27.55 | AlpacaFace | karlpinc: jedix: Oh my.. mkinitramfs looks good. I did 'ls /usr/bin | grep init' and its not located there, so i did not try. I feel silly lol, thank you. Also, thank you for the docs :) Im doing a custom iso, i cannot update-initramfs there unfortunately |
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| 02:35.39 | pi0 | thank you |
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| 03:21.16 | spaceghost | Hello. |
| 03:21.38 | spaceghost | I have this problem: https://pastebin.com/DJ2Rd5DS . |
| 03:22.34 | dvs | !multimedia |
| 03:22.35 | dpkg | Debian's main repository has lots of great multimedia packages with more included in each release. Ask me about <search> to find them and <rfp> if something is not yet packaged. The old <deb-multimedia.org> has not been a "must have" repo for multimedia support for several releases; it now mostly contains poor quality packages or current Debian packages recompiled incompatible with other packages in Debian. |
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| 04:47.03 | warsoul | hi guys |
| 04:47.15 | warsoul | mi debian is giving some errors when booting but the go fast |
| 04:47.18 | warsoul | cant see them |
| 04:47.22 | warsoul | or what they are |
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| 04:53.56 | iuiututa | war take a tea google it and come back |
| 04:56.22 | annadane | warsoul, 'systemctl status' |
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| 04:58.54 | warsoul | annadane, https://termbin.com/4duq |
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| 05:02.07 | annadane | i don't see errors |
| 05:02.24 | annadane | are you sure you saw errors? |
| 05:06.02 | warsoul | yes |
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| 05:06.27 | diogenes_ | warsoul, maybe dmesg. |
| 05:07.23 | warsoul | https://termbin.com/6hkc |
| 05:08.18 | diogenes_ | 1.573994] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Could not resolve [\_SB.PCI0.SAT0.SPT4._GTF.DSSP], AE_NOT_FOUND (20180810/psargs-330) |
| 05:08.19 | diogenes_ | [ 1.574003] ACPI Error: Method parse/execution failed \_SB.PCI0.SAT0.SPT4._GTF, AE_NOT_FOUND (20180810/psparse-516) |
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| 05:09.10 | annadane | sigh ACPI error messages |
| 05:09.21 | warsoul | how can i fix it? |
| 05:10.03 | diogenes_ | warsoul, as long as you don't experience any issues when running your system and it boots, there's nothing you need to fix. |
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| 05:10.58 | warsoul | i dont like to see error messages lol |
| 05:11.04 | annadane | ACPI messages are very verbose and unless you have a real reason to worry, you shouldn't |
| 05:11.26 | diogenes_ | ^ |
| 05:11.53 | warsoul | ok thanks guys |
| 05:12.04 | diogenes_ | warsoul, there is one way to get rid of those messages and it's by installing nvidia proprietary but do you really need it? |
| 05:12.05 | annadane | at least, if the messages are cryptic like that. i think they get more specific if there's something really serious |
| 05:12.12 | annadane | but i don't actually remember |
| 05:12.46 | annadane | how do you figure it's related to nvidia? |
| 05:13.17 | diogenes_ | annadane, 7th sense :) |
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| 05:13.48 | warsoul | diogenes_ i installed nouveau |
| 05:13.58 | diogenes_ | wano you didn't. |
| 05:14.04 | diogenes_ | nouveau was there by default. |
| 05:14.08 | warsoul | maybe i can try that |
| 05:14.11 | diogenes_ | warsoul,* |
| 05:14.24 | annadane | the proprietary driver is basically necessary anyway for any kind of real work =/ |
| 05:14.31 | warsoul | ok |
| 05:14.39 | warsoul | how can i install it? |
| 05:14.45 | annadane | i'm not *recommending it* to you explicitly but... nouveau sucks |
| 05:14.45 | warsoul | to check if the error goes away |
| 05:15.03 | warsoul | annadane, yes my graphics doesnt look good |
| 05:15.06 | annadane | if you really want it, install nvidia-detect, run it, install the one it tells you to |
| 05:15.10 | warsoul | maybe i need to change |
| 05:15.20 | diogenes_ | annadane, i'd argue with that since i'm running my system on nouveau and it does all the job and play all the games at decent FPS but, only if you are lucky and have a well supported card by niuveau. |
| 05:15.41 | annadane | oh, okay. |
| 05:15.48 | annadane | i thought all cards were essentially the same |
| 05:15.57 | diogenes_ | not at all. |
| 05:16.02 | warsoul | diogenes and why my browser looks so bright i can barely notice the letters |
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| 05:16.27 | diogenes_ | warsoul, that's where my 7th sense doesn't work :) |
| 05:16.33 | warsoul | lol |
| 05:16.42 | warsoul | maybe changing the card driver? |
| 05:17.01 | annadane | i can only assume my card is very badly supported because KDE crashed the living hell out of my computer when i was still using nouveau |
| 05:17.02 | diogenes_ | try |
| 05:17.20 | warsoul | annadane what was the driver you told me? |
| 05:17.42 | annadane | for the nvidia proprietary driver just install nvidia-detect, then run it from the command line |
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| 05:17.45 | diogenes_ | warsoul, first of all make sure you don't have optimus. |
| 05:17.50 | annadane | right |
| 05:18.01 | warsoul | how i check for optimus? |
| 05:18.05 | annadane | is this a desktop? |
| 05:18.08 | annadane | or laptop |
| 05:18.09 | warsoul | yes |
| 05:18.12 | warsoul | desktop |
| 05:18.16 | annadane | then you don't have optimus |
| 05:18.25 | warsoul | ok |
| 05:19.01 | annadane | in general, you'd figure it out via lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
| 05:19.07 | warsoul | E: Invalid operation nvidia-detect |
| 05:19.10 | diogenes_ | warsoul, lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3 |
| 05:20.04 | warsoul | Subsystem: eVga.com. Corp. GP106 [GeForce GTX 1060 3GB] [3842:6167] |
| 05:20.04 | warsoul | Kernel driver in use: nouveau |
| 05:20.14 | warsoul | is a pretty nice card lol |
| 05:21.23 | warsoul | annadane, E: Invalid operation nvidia-detect |
| 05:21.30 | annadane | so you have *one* card, not two, so everything is fine and wonderful and kittens. |
| 05:21.39 | annadane | did you *install* nvidia-detect? |
| 05:21.43 | annadane | apt install nvidia-detect |
| 05:21.54 | diogenes_ | annadane, i think he needs contrib. |
| 05:21.56 | annadane | oh, you do need non-free in your sources.list as well of course |
| 05:22.02 | annadane | or contrib, right. |
| 05:22.26 | diogenes_ | warsoul, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:22.37 | annadane | warsoul, make sure in your /etc/apt/sources.list, the 'deb' (not deb-src) lines have contrib non-free next to main |
| 05:22.41 | diogenes_ | add: contrib non-free after each line |
| 05:23.16 | diogenes_ | for instance: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main you modify it to: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main contrib non-free |
| 05:23.22 | warsoul | https://termbin.com/sl8l |
| 05:23.28 | diogenes_ | then: sudo apt update |
| 05:23.32 | annadane | then press control x to exit nano, press enter when it prompts you what file name to enter it as. then when you're out of it, "apt update" |
| 05:23.41 | annadane | sorry, don't mean to step on your toes |
| 05:23.46 | diogenes_ | ctrl+o first |
| 05:24.10 | diogenes_ | ctrl+o to save the changes then ctrl+x to exit |
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| 05:24.35 | warsoul | i have it non free |
| 05:24.37 | diogenes_ | annadane, all is fine, it's better when many people help than no one at all :) |
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| 05:24.44 | annadane | yup, that's a good sources.list, warsoul |
| 05:25.03 | annadane | so, apt update and then you can install nvidia-detect |
| 05:25.35 | warsoul | done |
| 05:25.40 | warsoul | installe nvidia-detect |
| 05:25.51 | annadane | i'll use ctrl o in future, telling people how to exit nano is an exercise in frustration :P |
| 05:26.01 | annadane | okay, so run it. "nvidia-detect" and install the one it tells you to |
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| 05:26.50 | warsoul | done |
| 05:26.55 | warsoul | recommend |
| 05:26.58 | warsoul | nvidia-driver |
| 05:27.04 | annadane | so apt install nvidia-driver |
| 05:27.13 | annadane | and when it's all finished you'll need to reboot |
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| 05:27.21 | warsoul | ok |
| 05:27.26 | warsoul | and what i do with nouveau |
| 05:27.27 | Mdlpe | hello, every time I start or stop, I have a deamon (after network manager) run for 1 mn 15s. After that all is fine. Debian Buster. |
| 05:27.30 | humbabl | doesn't nano tell you how to exit? |
| 05:27.35 | annadane | nouveau will still be there but it will be blacklisted |
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| 05:27.43 | annadane | it does but for new users it can be a bit weird |
| 05:27.53 | annadane | ^x isn't all that clear |
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| 05:29.08 | alexandros_tab | good night, does anyone know if their is a fix for snaps not populating the /usr/share/applications/ directory with desktop files after install of new software? |
| 05:29.14 | diogenes_ | Mdlpe, systemd-analyze blame |
| 05:30.03 | warsoul | done |
| 05:30.04 | warsoul | brb |
| 05:30.06 | warsoul | rebooting |
| 05:30.13 | annadane | oh, wait a second |
| 05:30.30 | annadane | do make sure you reboot when it's COMPLETELY done, not just when the box pops up saying you need to reboot |
| 05:30.43 | annadane | for me it's always popped up at 97% which might be ambiguous |
| 05:31.09 | diogenes_ | i'd recommend a cold reboot than restart. |
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| 05:32.39 | Mdlpe | diogenes_: is it normal ? |
| 05:33.25 | diogenes_ | Mdlpe, did you run the command? |
| 05:33.59 | Mdlpe | diogenes_: I ran nothing |
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| 05:34.59 | diogenes_ | Mdlpe, then you know what they say: if you ran nothing, you get nothing :) |
| 05:35.09 | warsoul | helppp |
| 05:35.13 | warsoul | lol |
| 05:35.19 | Mdlpe | diogenes_: the start process stop for 1mn15s and continue. It is exactly 1 mn 15 s every time. Not a big deal |
| 05:35.21 | warsoul | after reboot |
| 05:35.33 | warsoul | black screen blinking _ |
| 05:35.43 | diogenes_ | nice :) |
| 05:36.17 | warsoul | hit enter |
| 05:36.21 | warsoul | and is not doing nothing |
| 05:36.32 | warsoul | have to open my laptop |
| 05:36.54 | diogenes_ | ok gtg now for awhile, otherwise we would dig into that black screen. |
| 05:37.15 | warsoul | what? |
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| 05:37.53 | warsoul | annadane |
| 05:37.57 | warsoul | please help |
| 05:38.03 | annadane | i have no idea how to solve that kind of thing :/ |
| 05:38.10 | warsoul | omg |
| 05:38.15 | annadane | well, i can have a temporary workaround |
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| 05:38.23 | warsoul | im dead |
| 05:38.24 | annadane | can you get to a virtual terminal, press alt f1 |
| 05:38.49 | warsoul | yes |
| 05:38.51 | warsoul | logged in |
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| 05:39.22 | annadane | log in as root, update-alternatives --config gix, select the one that says mesa and reboot, you'll be back on nouveau and at least have a working desktop for now |
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| 05:39.58 | warsoul | ok type just like that |
| 05:40.11 | warsoul | update-alternatives --config gix |
| 05:40.15 | annadane | yep |
| 05:40.19 | annadane | sorry |
| 05:40.20 | annadane | glx |
| 05:40.22 | annadane | not gix |
| 05:40.54 | warsoul | select |
| 05:40.58 | warsoul | mesa-diverted? |
| 05:41.03 | annadane | yep |
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| 05:42.18 | warsoul | done |
| 05:42.19 | warsoul | worked |
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| 05:42.33 | warsoul | i have to erase the nvidia-driver |
| 05:42.34 | warsoul | ? |
| 05:42.39 | annadane | no |
| 05:43.03 | annadane | maybe someone has a solution for the black screen, just stay in IRC a bit. or come back in a few hours when IRC is more active |
| 05:43.14 | warsoul | ok thanks |
| 05:43.17 | annadane | or post to debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 05:44.04 | warsoul | got scared for a bit |
| 05:44.06 | warsoul | lol |
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| 05:44.53 | annadane | i really should know more about debian than i do to be able to help people with issues :/ |
| 05:45.11 | warsoul | you are pretty good |
| 05:45.17 | warsoul | appreciate your help |
| 05:45.19 | warsoul | a lot |
| 05:45.37 | warsoul | annadane, you know about netgear usb wifi devices? |
| 05:45.43 | warsoul | i have one and it sucks lol |
| 05:45.46 | annadane | nope |
| 05:45.52 | warsoul | signal strentgh 52% |
| 05:45.54 | warsoul | :s |
| 05:46.12 | warsoul | when i boot on windows is 100% |
| 05:46.24 | warsoul | is supposed to be backwords lol |
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| 07:01.23 | barrett | once, I think maybe 10 years ago or so, I remember debian+gnome had a way to spawn a new gnome session inside a terminal/window |
| 07:01.41 | barrett | does anyone remember how this was done? |
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| 07:02.14 | well_laid_lawn | more than likely it spwned a new $DISPLAY |
| 07:02.24 | barrett | basically you started that thing from the applications menu, and it opened a window with a separate desktop environmnet |
| 07:02.52 | barrett | well_laid_lawn, I'm not talking about switching to another display |
| 07:03.02 | barrett | did it inside a window or a terminal |
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| 07:04.07 | well_laid_lawn | try xephyr |
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| 07:04.14 | well_laid_lawn | it does that |
| 07:04.52 | barrett | nice, thank you will have a look |
| 07:05.51 | well_laid_lawn | cheers |
| 07:05.55 | barrett | the thing is that I don't really want an xserver in this case, but just being able to draw to the framebuffer |
| 07:06.09 | barrett | this is mostly for my convenience as I'm testing some stuff |
| 07:06.24 | barrett | and I have to switch to the other display each time, this is going to make me crazy : ) |
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| 07:07.00 | well_laid_lawn | there aren't a lot of libraries for drawing to the framebuffer |
| 07:07.29 | well_laid_lawn | maybe try screen or tmux |
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| 07:11.09 | humbabl | switching back and forth to a tty makes you crazy? |
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| 07:12.15 | barrett | it's not really about how I draw to the fb, just having a virtual display in a window |
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| 07:12.50 | barrett | humbabl, yes when you have to develop a graphical stack and see the results of your code continuously |
| 07:12.57 | pong_ | Bonjour |
| 07:14.50 | Haohmaru | we no schprachen ze espaniol |
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| 07:16.31 | saish__ | hii after updating to latest version of debian fro mterminal screen stuck after boot at session c1 of user debian-gdm..not moving forword wht to do |
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| 07:26.21 | saish__ | sry my net was gone did any one guide me wht to do ? if m stuck at terminal thing after boot |
| 07:27.15 | diogenes_ | saish__, gnome? |
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| 07:27.42 | saish__ | diogenes_: yes |
| 07:28.16 | diogenes_ | can you login in that terminal? |
| 07:28.34 | saish__ | nope that screen is not coming |
| 07:29.03 | saish__ | many services starting etc stuck on that |
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| 07:30.17 | diogenes_ | saish__, try booting with: systemd.unit=multi-user.target |
| 07:30.46 | saish__ | wht should i press so that i can type that command |
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| 07:31.09 | saish__ | let me shopw u pic where i stuck wait |
| 07:31.14 | diogenes_ | at grub menu press e |
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| 07:33.47 | saish__ | diogenes_: https://imgur.com/jeaMrpM check this pic |
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| 07:39.03 | diogenes_ | saish__, try to boot in multiuser.target and login then disable the services which are throwing the errors, e.g. sudo systemctl disable postgresql@9.6-main |
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| 07:39.48 | diogenes_ | also: sudo systemctl disable vmware |
| 07:41.07 | ratrace | I don't think blanket disabling of those services it the primary solution. Instead, inspect the journal and find out why they failed.... |
| 07:43.48 | saish__ | i cant aqble to see half screen as my half screen is not working on right side just pressed ctrl+c for terminal window now i wll type ur command |
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| 07:49.07 | humbabl | what is a half screen? |
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| 07:53.01 | saish__ | humbabl: https://imgur.com/6yoguHj see this half scrreen |
| 07:53.15 | saish__ | and should i paste that command below of multiuser ?? |
| 07:54.00 | humbabl | the multiuser thing needs to be appended to the kernel line at grub time |
| 07:54.50 | humbabl | but if you have a virtual terminal now there might not be a point |
| 07:54.53 | saish__ | when grub screen was there i pressed e then this above screen comes should i pste below that ? |
| 07:55.07 | humbabl | ah sorry i can't see your pic |
| 07:55.33 | saish__ | https://imgur.com/6yoguHj |
| 07:55.46 | humbabl | one line near the bottom should start with linux and end with quiet, probably |
| 07:56.15 | humbabl | add the multiuser option to that line |
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| 07:57.17 | humbabl | then press ctrl-x or F10 as it says at the bottom |
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| 07:58.03 | humbabl | or ESC if you mess up, go back to the list and start again with e |
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| 07:58.43 | saish__ | should i press ctrl+c for terminal and then type multiuser ? |
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| 07:59.01 | saish__ | here fi then echo then echo then last line is initrd |
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| 08:00.26 | diogenes_ | saish__, right after linux systemd.unit=multi-user.target |
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| 08:00.39 | diogenes_ | then f10 |
| 08:00.45 | saish__ | okkk |
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| 08:04.32 | saish__ | diogenes_ i hv done that and booted bt still it stuck on that line |
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| 08:05.02 | saish__ | is there any way i can open terminal and start updating with command again may be that will be helpful |
| 08:05.56 | diogenes_ | do you have any linux live media? usb/dvd? |
| 08:06.19 | saish__ | ihv bt right now cant able to find |
| 08:06.31 | saish__ | https://serverfault.com/questions/482079/debian-boot-to-single-user-mode should i do this ? |
| 08:07.38 | diogenes_ | saish__, in your situation you should try everything. |
| 08:07.48 | saish__ | kk |
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| 08:16.55 | saish__ | i presssed ctrl+alt+f1 now m in terminal |
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| 08:17.01 | saish__ | login with root password |
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| 08:17.45 | diogenes_ | great. |
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| 08:18.48 | saish__ | i hv tried this so i rememberd that terminal will be there |
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| 08:19.00 | saish__ | lets see m updating with apt |
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| 08:26.33 | saish__ | when updaing getting to many umnet dependancies bt sources.list is perfect |
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| 08:35.55 | ZaZaGX | ok |
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| 08:36.45 | zege | Hi. I'm trying to set up a debian 10 based Hypervisor. I'd like to use cockpit-machines to manage the VM's. Everything is fin except that i can't create a iSCSI Storage Pool in cockpit. Is there anything i need to install? |
| 08:37.25 | colo-work | ugh. is that webmin reborn? |
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| 08:58.49 | noirx | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:58.53 | noirx | ops |
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| 09:00.38 | k_sze | lol, I ended up just going Alt+PrintScreen + REISUO |
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| 09:08.12 | snooky | moin |
| 09:09.03 | Haohmaru | looks at his solar clock |
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| 09:14.05 | BCMM | Haohmaru: is that the same thing as a sundial? or does it mean, like, a clock that you keep on solar time? |
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| 09:16.19 | humbabl | i think that stop job would have finished |
| 09:16.25 | Haohmaru | a thang that casts a shadow and has markings to roughly know wut time it is ;P~ |
| 09:16.33 | Haohmaru | however you call it |
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| 09:16.46 | humbabl | gnomon? |
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| 09:23.14 | BCMM | i think the gnomon is strictly the component that casts the shadow in a sundial, not the whole thing |
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| 09:28.13 | saish__ | diogenes_: this command works and booted into desktop sudo systemctl restart gdm.service |
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| 10:02.28 | annadane | !ugt |
| 10:02.28 | dpkg | Universal Greeting Time (UGT) asserts that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. |
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| 10:07.18 | Haohmaru | >:( |
| 10:07.26 | Haohmaru | this is unacceptaburu! |
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| 10:30.18 | melpy | hey use more 'w' correctly orineted emotes, your hurting my neck |
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| 10:36.17 | iwkse | hi, do you know why mongodb isn't in debian stable? |
| 10:37.08 | colo-work | https://www.zdnet.com/article/mongodb-open-source-server-side-public-license-rejected/ |
| 10:37.16 | iwkse | colo-work: thanks |
| 10:37.28 | annadane | judd: bug 916107 |
| 10:37.29 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/916107 in src:mongodb (open): «mongodb: MongoDB should not be part of a stable release»; severity: serious; opened: 2018-12-10; last modified: 2019-01-12. |
| 10:38.21 | annadane | dpkg, whynomongodb is <reply> MongoDB is not in Debian because of Bug https://bugs.debian.org/916107 in src:mongodb (open): «mongodb: MongoDB should not be part of a stable release» |
| 10:38.22 | dpkg | okay, annadane |
| 10:38.23 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/916107 in src:mongodb (open): «mongodb: MongoDB should not be part of a stable release»; severity: serious; opened: 2018-12-10; last modified: 2019-01-12. |
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| 11:12.29 | jelly | dpkg, why no mongo is <reply>see whynomongodb |
| 11:12.30 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
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| 11:16.07 | han-solo | dpkg: see whynomongodb |
| 11:16.07 | dpkg | han-solo: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 11:17.02 | han-solo | dpkg: whynomongodb |
| 11:17.03 | dpkg | MongoDB is not in Debian because of Bug https://bugs.debian.org/916107 in src:mongodb (open): «mongodb: MongoDB should not be part of a stable release» |
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| 12:12.11 | annadane | #debian-offtopic is that way --> |
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| 14:11.25 | Sepultura | hallo does anyone know a good proxy server software for Debian which can be used as 4to6 tunnel? |
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| 14:14.30 | section1 | cavaleras FTW ! |
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| 14:21.49 | section1 | Sepultura, check ip6tnl maybe works for your case.. |
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| 14:24.17 | section1 | and maybe ffproxy |
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| 14:55.01 | noirx | hello all, i am trying to install debian 9 from usb drive, i get error to mount /dev/sda1 /cdrom i get error invalid argument any help |
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| 14:58.25 | jelly | noirx: you need to create the bootable usb by writing the image directly to whole usb, using cp or dd or win32diskimager. If you use rufus or unetbootin or similar it will oftenmess up and installer code cannot find its own image, resulting in symptoms similar you what you're seeing. How did you write the usb? |
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| 15:13.36 | noirx | -JULLY i used echter usb creator |
| 15:14.12 | jelly | etcher? That is one of those tools that can mess up |
| 15:14.24 | noirx | the install looks in /cdrom which is empy, i have to mount the usb to /cdrom but i cant figure out what device the usb is |
| 15:14.36 | jelly | !usb install |
| 15:14.36 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 15:15.03 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 15:15.04 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 15:15.10 | diogenes_ | i use gnome-disk-utily, works like a charm. |
| 15:15.34 | jelly | noirx: which OS are you creating USB on? |
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| 15:16.40 | karlpinc | noirx: (FYI, it is often useful to use the unoffical installer images above so that your hardware "just gets" the firmware it needs to work.) |
| 15:17.03 | noirx | win10 |
| 15:17.32 | noirx | it reduced my wd 2 tb to 1 tb |
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| 15:29.52 | jelly | 1GB, probably. |
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| 15:31.01 | sourcream | With iptables can I blacklist ip if it sends requests too often |
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| 15:35.29 | Mathisen | yes, have you heard of fail2ban ? it does a good job for this, for most common stuff |
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| 15:42.32 | sourcream | Mathisen, oh thanks il check that |
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| 16:55.34 | cmtptr | the default /etc/crontab runs /etc/cron.daily, and thus logrotate, every morning at 6:25AM. my laptop generally isn't on at this time, so goes long periods of time without rotating logs. what is the preferred method to deal with this? |
| 16:56.46 | greycat | !anacron |
| 16:56.47 | dpkg | it has been said that anacron is a <cron>-like program that runs jobs that cron would have skipped if the system was shutdown. http://anacron.sf.net/ |
| 16:57.08 | greycat | or, if you prefer, you can change the time that cron.daily runs |
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| 16:58.29 | cmtptr | yeah, i don't think that's the best since the time that it is on isn't very consistent. i'll look into anacron; i had just assumed it was an alternative cron implementation. thanks! |
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| 17:05.23 | wonderworld | hey, i want to switch to systemd on a box with buster that is still running on init. will installing systemd and linking /sbin/init to systemd binary all i need to do or is it more complicated? |
| 17:05.55 | greycat | Just installing "systemd-sysv" should do it, I think. |
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| 17:06.19 | greycat | As the description says, it replaces /sbin/init with a symlink for you. |
| 17:06.37 | wonderworld | hmmm Package systemd-sysv is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 17:06.45 | jelly | ,v systemd-sysv |
| 17:06.46 | judd | Package: systemd-sysv on amd64 -- jessie: 215-17+deb8u7; jessie-security: 215-17+deb8u13; stretch-security: 232-25+deb9u11; stretch: 232-25+deb9u12; stretch-backports: 241-5~bpo9+1; buster: 241-7~deb10u1; bullseye: 242-7; sid: 242-7; experimental: 243-1 |
| 17:07.07 | wonderworld | However the following packages replace it: sysvinit-core runit-init |
| 17:07.25 | greycat | wonderworld: do you have *actual* Debian? If so, do you have the full, standard buster sources.list? |
| 17:07.33 | jelly | wonderworld: either you haven't run apt-get update in a long time (or ever), or your /etc/apt/sources.list is incomplete, or you're not actually running Debian but something similar |
| 17:07.43 | jelly | !buster sources.list |
| 17:07.43 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 17:08.00 | wonderworld | i have debian. let me check my sources |
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| 17:09.26 | jelly | cmtptr: if you chose the laptop task during installation, or have task-laptop installed otherwise, anacron is already there |
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| 17:10.00 | wonderworld | thats it -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TggKZVCTrN/ |
| 17:10.22 | jelly | that looks about right |
| 17:10.26 | cmtptr | jelly, thanks. i installed with debootstrap. i'll look at task-laptop, too |
| 17:10.53 | wonderworld | machine is fully updated. i upgraded from stretch yesterday |
| 17:10.53 | jelly | wonderworld: run an "apt-get update", and then see if apt-cache policy systemd-sysv still fails to show a Candidate version |
| 17:11.02 | Gigglebyte | I am hoping to recover a system that won't boot. The system that won't boot is Stretch. Does it matter whether or not my Live CD is Version 10.1.0? |
| 17:11.31 | wonderworld | jelly: retried. same result |
| 17:11.34 | jelly | Gigglebyte: a live 10 is good enough to mount and chroot and older installation to try see what it wrong |
| 17:11.47 | Gigglebyte | jelly> Thanks |
| 17:11.57 | jelly | wonderworld: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy systemd-sysv" |
| 17:12.08 | cmtptr | looks like task-laptop is also a buster invention, so i wouldn't have gotten it anyway. i installed when jessie was stable. thanks again! |
| 17:12.18 | jelly | cmtptr: it's not a buster invention. |
| 17:12.32 | jelly | ,v task-laptop |
| 17:12.33 | judd | Package: task-laptop on amd64 -- jessie: 3.31+deb8u1; stretch: 3.39; buster: 3.53; bullseye: 3.55; sid: 3.55 |
| 17:12.37 | cmtptr | oh, the package search defaults to only look at stable |
| 17:13.14 | wonderworld | jelly: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TpmWwTSgV6/ |
| 17:13.46 | jelly | wonderworld: you have pinning in place that prevents it from installing |
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| 17:14.01 | wonderworld | jelly: ha, yes just realized it :) |
| 17:14.01 | jelly | wonderworld: check /etc/apt/preferences and /etc/apt/preferences.d/* |
| 17:14.06 | wonderworld | thanks a lot |
| 17:14.07 | greycat | wonderworld: look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ as well. Where is that icinga thing coming from? |
| 17:14.22 | wonderworld | greycat: was experimenting with icinga on that box |
| 17:14.37 | jelly | sources for weird things would not pin something to -1 |
| 17:15.35 | wonderworld | yes found it. i think i pinned that years ago by myself when I didn't want to switch to systemd. this system is 15 yrs old :) |
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| 17:16.25 | wonderworld | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 61 Oct 28 2015 local-pin-init |
| 17:16.31 | wonderworld | thats it. thanks guys |
| 17:16.36 | Gigglebyte | jelly> Would you know of a burning program I can run in stretch, but one that will burn to a memory stick? I have xfburn installed on a different laptop than the one I am recovering, and it will only burn to a cd/dvd |
| 17:17.17 | greycat | Gigglebyte: burning *what*? if it's a Debian install image, you just use cp or dd or any other program you like to copy the bytes to the USB device. |
| 17:17.28 | jelly | Gigglebyte: just use "cp blah.iso /dev/sdX". Any previous contents of the usb stick will be gone. |
| 17:17.37 | greycat | I'm assuming "memory stick" means a USB mass storage device. |
| 17:17.43 | jelly | nod |
| 17:18.26 | jelly | be careful not to overwrite the wrong /dev/sd? device |
| 17:18.28 | Gigglebyte | jelly> ok |
| 17:18.34 | wonderworld | ok, lets see if it comes up again :) |
| 17:18.43 | jelly | Gigglebyte: "lsblk" output may be helpful |
| 17:18.50 | Gigglebyte | thanks |
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| 17:22.02 | wonderworld | systemd is running. everything looks good. thanks a lot. |
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| 17:25.58 | sleepingforest | i put font files in ~/.fonts/ and ran fc-cache -fv, it looks like its cached thoses fonts but i cant see them in xfontsel |
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| 17:27.29 | jelly | sleepingforest: xfontsel does not show truetype fonts, only bitmapped X11 fonts and truetype that are in X11 FontPath |
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| 17:29.33 | jelly | any app that uses vector (ttf, otf) fonts via freetype library should be able to see them after fc-cache, even without restart |
| 17:29.54 | jelly | I guess you can run, uh, fc-list ? |
| 17:30.21 | jhutchins_wk | cmtptr: Actually, there's a laptop task since at least D7 and probably before. |
| 17:30.42 | jelly | /home/jelly/.fonts/PxPlus (TrueType - extended charset)/PxPlus_IBM_VGA8.ttf: PxPlus IBM VGA8:style=Regular |
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| 17:54.44 | Gigglebyte | jelly> I tried using the following command but it doesn't copy over. sudo cp Documents/Files/*.* /media/sdb1 |
| 17:54.50 | Gigglebyte | Any idea what I am doing wrong? |
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| 17:55.11 | greycat | Is there something mounted at /media/sdb1 ? |
| 17:55.25 | Gigglebyte | greycat> Yes |
| 17:55.42 | greycat | Are there any files with . in their names in ./Documents/Files ? |
| 17:56.11 | greycat | Note that in Unix, * matches all files. *.* only matches files with a dot somewhere other than the first character. |
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| 17:56.27 | jhutchins_wk | Gigglebyte: You want to specify the iso file, not *.* |
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| 17:56.38 | Gigglebyte | greycat> The file in Documents/Files/debian-live-10.1.0-amd64-xfce.iso |
| 17:56.43 | greycat | If it's an ISO file, implying that it's... THAT. |
| 17:56.51 | greycat | If it's THAT, you are doing this 100% wrong. |
| 17:57.10 | greycat | You do not want the device to be mounted AT ALL. You do not want to copy an iso file into a file system on the device. |
| 17:57.13 | Gigglebyte | greycat> So what is the correct way to do this? |
| 17:57.27 | jhutchins_wk | I suppose *.* would work if the iso were the only file in that folder. |
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| 17:58.05 | greycat | Ensure that your Desktop Environment will *NOT* mount the device, either by configuring it somehow, or by logging out of it. Become root. Unmount the device. cp ./Documents/Files/debian-live-10.1.0-amd64-xfce.iso /dev/sdb |
| 17:58.08 | Gigglebyte | jhutchins_wk> The ISO is the only file in that folder and I thought *.* would be easier to type than typing the whole thing out. |
| 17:58.11 | greycat | Note, this is /dev/sdb NOT /deb/sdb1 |
| 17:58.31 | jhutchins_wk | Gigglebyte: Experiment with your tab key. |
| 17:58.49 | daft_dutch | Hi, I have a laptop with windows pro. and i want to secure it with a debian vm in hyper-v that is infront of windows network wise. |
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| 17:59.27 | daft_dutch | Most will be easy peasy but there is an issue with switching between a lan cable and wifi network. |
| 18:00.02 | daft_dutch | how can debian detect a change in the network and apply the ipforwaring from windows to the internet |
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| 18:00.31 | jelly | wait, *.* does not match .foo ? |
| 18:00.55 | Gigglebyte | greycat> received an error indicating there was no space left on the device after changing the command from /media/sdb1 to /dev/sdb1 Looks like a different command will need to be used in order to delete the existing installation file on the media. |
| 18:01.20 | greycat | wooledg:~$ mkdir /tmp/x; touch /tmp/x/foo /tmp/x/.bar; ls /tmp/x/*.* |
| 18:01.20 | greycat | ls: cannot access '/tmp/x/*.*': No such file or directory |
| 18:01.36 | jelly | Gigglebyte: <grey'cat> Note, this is /dev/sdb NOT /deb/sdb1 |
| 18:01.42 | greycat | other shells may differ, but that's what bash does. |
| 18:02.17 | jelly | wonders if a zero width space prevents highlights |
| 18:02.36 | jelly | grey​cat: |
| 18:03.20 | jhutchins_wk | Gigglebyte: Computers are very literal things, if you don't type the correct device, it won't work correctly. |
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| 18:03.59 | jelly | huh, zsh does the same thing when unsetopt dotglob |
| 18:04.15 | greycat | bash has a dotglob also, but it's off by default |
| 18:04.39 | jelly | that was unexpected since foo* matches a foo |
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| 18:05.02 | greycat | leading dots are just weird and full of hysterical raisins |
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| 18:05.14 | jhutchins_wk | Gigglebyte: If /media/sdb1 is present that means it's mounted, we specifically said to unmount it. |
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| 18:05.56 | daft_dutch | did someone read my question? |
| 18:06.01 | daft_dutch | i forgot a ? |
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| 18:06.08 | EdePopede | does it jel​ly? |
| 18:06.19 | jhutchins_wk | Your question is incoherent. |
| 18:06.33 | jhutchins_wk | daft_dutch: ^ |
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| 18:07.26 | jelly | daft_dutch: what does a "change in network" mean, from a debian router PoV? |
| 18:08.09 | daft_dutch | I have a windows laptop. I want to create a linux vm. between the laptop and the big bad internet |
| 18:08.16 | daft_dutch | you understand |
| 18:08.23 | jelly | and the VM will be running on that very same laptop? |
| 18:08.35 | daft_dutch | Yes with hyper-v |
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| 18:09.09 | jelly | presumably in bridged mode network setup? |
| 18:09.16 | daft_dutch | laptops have wifi and a cable network device |
| 18:09.40 | daft_dutch | I bridge those to the debian vm. remove tcp/ip at the windows host |
| 18:10.00 | jelly | I suspect the short answer is "it can't" |
| 18:10.47 | daft_dutch | you lost it or still follow? |
| 18:11.21 | greycat | It sounds to me like what you actually want is a Firewall Product that you install on Windows. |
| 18:11.28 | jelly | daft_dutch: verify whether the link for any of the two bridged interfaces within guest go down when interface on host is disconnected |
| 18:11.40 | jelly | they want to implement a firewall product. |
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| 18:12.23 | daft_dutch | greycat, I had it running with colinux years ago. on my 1st laptop. |
| 18:12.45 | daft_dutch | able to setup a dhcp network on your lan is something a firewall cant do |
| 18:13.41 | daft_dutch | I even wanna bet that you helped with it. |
| 18:14.04 | jelly | daft_dutch: if not, you'll have to look if there's a h-v specific APIs (probably in guest additions) to get that info from the guest. If that does not exist, then the only thing you can do is poll and guess :-\ |
| 18:14.26 | daft_dutch | that is an idea |
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| 18:17.13 | jelly | daft_dutch: oh. Depending of how good the hypervisor and firmware is, you may be able to PCI passthru whole pci devices into the VM. |
| 18:17.33 | jelly | more likely to work with a decent server than on a laptop |
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| 18:18.46 | daft_dutch | sorry the laptop needs to be able to be given out to friends |
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| 18:19.31 | jelly | and friends need native windows network? |
| 18:19.35 | daft_dutch | after 19 years of linux i dont understand why normal people cant use linux |
| 18:19.59 | greycat | normal people can't use windows correctly either, so it's not really linux's fault |
| 18:20.01 | jelly | they can. |
| 18:20.18 | jelly | if they pick the hardware carefully and the linux carefully |
| 18:20.39 | daft_dutch | they need to connect to a wifi network |
| 18:21.00 | daft_dutch | so windows needs the device |
| 18:21.10 | greycat | I still think you're trying to over-engineer a Windows Firewall. |
| 18:21.12 | daft_dutch | good idea |
| 18:21.33 | daft_dutch | im daft |
| 18:22.01 | jelly | then reconfigure the machine before giving it out? |
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| 18:22.47 | daft_dutch | or make a ssh automatic login with xming and select the wifi on linux |
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| 18:23.33 | jelly | making that work _reliably_ will be fun |
| 18:24.04 | daft_dutch | greycat, I was on a windows 7 persentation. where they explained the common sense of dropping packages instead of returning no connection |
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| 18:25.31 | daft_dutch | http://daft_dutch.looze.net/Colinux.JPG |
| 18:25.49 | daft_dutch | old server i lost account of |
| 18:25.59 | tsglove | daft_dutch, is that.... linux? |
| 18:26.04 | spaceghost | Hello. |
| 18:26.10 | greycat | has anyone pointed out that _ is not legal in hostnames? |
| 18:26.12 | tsglove | o/ spaceghost |
| 18:26.14 | spaceghost | Can someone help me with this https://pastebin.com/jXnxBt30 ? |
| 18:26.38 | tsglove | spaceghost, there's nothing there. |
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| 18:27.14 | spaceghost | Weird. |
| 18:27.20 | spaceghost | I will re paste it. |
| 18:27.51 | spaceghost | https://pastebin.com/VM5KqALQ |
| 18:28.02 | greycat | http://paste.debian.net/ is normally preferred, or nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 18:28.29 | greycat | ,v libkf5completion5 |
| 18:28.30 | judd | Package: libkf5completion5 on amd64 -- stretch: 5.28.0-1; bullseye: 5.54.0-1; buster: 5.54.0-1; sid: 5.54.0-1; experimental: 5.61.0-1 |
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| 18:28.43 | jelly | daft_dutch: fvwm95? |
| 18:28.48 | greycat | looks like you've mixed stretch with buster, or with post-buster |
| 18:29.21 | tsglove | nc termbin.com 9999 wowza! o_0 !! |
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| 18:30.16 | daft_dutch | no that was what i want to get |
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| 18:30.39 | spaceghost | Yesterday i tried sudo apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install gstreamer1.0-plugins-base to fix a problem in gstreamer. |
| 18:31.33 | greycat | spaceghost: you need to finish upgrading to buster, or whatever. |
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| 18:32.03 | spaceghost | How? |
| 18:32.12 | jelly | dpkg, stretch->buster |
| 18:32.12 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove stable-specific lines like stretch-backports. apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 18:32.26 | spaceghost | I installed buster. |
| 18:32.30 | spaceghost | From zero. |
| 18:32.41 | jelly | huh |
| 18:32.49 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 18:32.49 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 18:32.50 | greycat | Then where did libkf5completion5 : Breaks: libkf5textwidgets5 (< 5.54) but 5.28.0-1 is to be installed come from? |
| 18:32.58 | jelly | spaceghost: ^ provide ALL the info |
| 18:33.23 | jelly | spaceghost: if you installed from a pre-release iso, it's probably easiest to reinstall |
| 18:33.27 | tsglove | Is there a place where I can see all the dpkg bot's basic commands? |
| 18:33.36 | jelly | !irc bots |
| 18:33.53 | greycat | If you mean factoids, rather than "basic commands", that's different... |
| 18:34.00 | greycat | !factoids |
| 18:34.00 | dpkg | You can search my database on the web at http://ircbots.debian.net/ or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at https://dpkg.donarmstrong.com/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>. |
| 18:34.19 | tsglove | Ah that's awesome! on my way... |
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| 18:35.53 | jelly | ,v gstreamer1.0-plugins-base |
| 18:35.54 | judd | Package: gstreamer1.0-plugins-base on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.4-2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1.4.4-2+deb8u2; stretch: 1.10.4-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.10.4-1+deb9u1; bullseye: 1.14.4-2; buster: 1.14.4-2; buster-multimedia: 1.14.4-dmo2; sid: 1.16.0-4; bullseye-multimedia: 1.16.0-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1.16.0-dmo1 |
| 18:36.13 | vansh | hello people |
| 18:36.23 | vansh | whats up |
| 18:36.38 | tsglove | Nice. Already seeing it. LoL I asked (for probing): /msg dpkg install sudo it asked if I checked tldp.org I replied yes, and the bot replied "I wish you RTFM" lol |
| 18:36.41 | tsglove | o/ vansh |
| 18:36.53 | vansh | hi tsglove |
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| 18:37.00 | vansh | hows buster doin ? |
| 18:37.02 | vansh | :) |
| 18:37.21 | tsglove | I like it. |
| 18:37.26 | greycat | 10.1 was released, most people seem OK with it. Biggest issue is the change in su, as I expected. |
| 18:37.47 | vansh | im currently using MX Linux |
| 18:37.59 | vansh | based on debian instead of ubuntu |
| 18:38.12 | vansh | very stable |
| 18:38.22 | tsglove | greycat, I'm checking the Debian 10 release notes at this link. Is there a place where I can check info on the su change? --> https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 18:38.36 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster |
| 18:38.36 | tsglove | vansh, any reason you don't use Debian directly? |
| 18:38.48 | vansh | bcoz of the apps |
| 18:38.49 | tsglove | thanks greycat |
| 18:39.11 | vansh | MX is bundled with apps |
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| 18:39.23 | vansh | im quite lazy to go n find em myself ;) |
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| 18:40.43 | choice | What happens to Debian in an interactive docker container after the user types "exit"? Can I put a special "exit" script somewhere that gets executed on shutdown? |
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| 19:28.41 | Eightynine | Current Debian site and iso seems to be confusing for novice users. The site had news and a lot of text. Elements of the site are small. Debian Live iso has 3 installers: text installer Debian installer and Calamares. Please, redesign the site to be simple to navigate. It should have following pages: description news, team, download button and instruction on how to write iso and which software to use and link to the software. Installation |
| 19:28.42 | Eightynine | image should have only one installer. |
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| 19:29.40 | greycat | Debian is about choice, and support for a huge variety of hardware and situations. There will never be "just one" of anything. |
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| 19:32.32 | Eightynine | But is that possible to make the site less confusing? |
| 19:32.34 | greycat | Some people install on a single machine on a modern network connected to the Internet. The netinst install image is good for them. Others are installing on multiple machines that are not networked. They might be better served by full DVD-sized images. |
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| 19:33.10 | somiaj | Also some prefer text based installers, some like graphical installers, some like more options (expert installer), these are all variations on the debian installer |
| 19:33.21 | greycat | What's confusing? Right at the top of the page, there's a banner, and on the right hand side of that banner, is a green box that says "Download Debian 10.1". If you click it, it starts downloading an .iso image file. |
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| 19:34.14 | somiaj | Eightynine: this really isn't the place to discuss the web layout (us here can't really do much about it). But I don't see it as confusing, it just has lots of links, but that is because there is lots of information |
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| 19:36.19 | greycat | If I had any say in the web site, I'd move that button so that it's *not* inside a freaking web banner, because my eyes have been trained over multiple decades to skip over web banners. |
| 19:36.38 | greycat | But that's just me, and apparently the designers of the web site do not agree with me. |
| 19:36.42 | Eightynine | I tried Debian 10 with XFCE - black screen when my monitor goes to standby mode. Tried KDE - the desktop was crashing. Haven't tried Gnome yet (I did in previous versions though). The reason I need to change my distribution is that I tried Ubuntu and KDE Neon and both were buggy. Black screen instead of Grub and Plymouth, crashes and issues connecting Wi-Fi in both of distributions. |
| 19:37.16 | somiaj | It almost sounds like you have hardware that is just buggy in linux. |
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| 19:38.36 | Eightynine | somiaj: greycat I'll try to explain. When I open Debian site I see some news and then I have to click here and there or even use Google to find links to iso. Because of my hardware I need non-free firmware and thus non-free Live images. |
| 19:38.47 | greycat | What's confusing? Right at the top of the page, there's a banner, and on the right hand side of that banner, is a green box that says "Download Debian 10.1". If you click it, it starts downloading an .iso image file. |
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| 19:39.02 | greycat | Do you not see the green box/button thing that says Download Debian 10.1? |
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| 19:39.37 | somiaj | Eightynine: in that case you need to dig a little deepeeper, click 'Getting Debian' at the top of other installer options. |
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| 19:40.06 | greycat | The Debian web site will *never* promote the non-free firmware installer. That is a thing I can assure you. |
| 19:40.21 | greycat | It is kept out of sight intentionally. |
| 19:40.21 | somiaj | but if ubuntu is crashing/buggy on your hardware, and so is debian 10 with xfce, or kde. I doubt gnome is gonna change it. |
| 19:40.31 | karlpinc | Eightynine: Although we will point you to non-free firmware. |
| 19:40.35 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 19:40.36 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 19:42.11 | Eightynine | I see that the site changed a bit and I learned how to use it but still I can't find a link to non-free images. Thanks for your link. |
| 19:42.16 | karlpinc | Eightynine: You could also try various hardware diagnostics. Don't know what the state of MS Windows is lately but it used to be that Linux actually used your hardware and would bump into hardware problems where MS Windows didn't. |
| 19:42.42 | greycat | The bot just gave you a link to the non-free images. The Debian web site never will. Because freeness is Debian's #1 priority. |
| 19:43.08 | karlpinc | Eightynine: You won't find a link, except for on the wiki maybe. And the insallation manual will tell you where to find the firmware you need. |
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| 19:44.31 | karlpinc | Eightynine: But Debian won't provide helpful links to non-free stuff. It goes against policy. |
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| 19:49.19 | Eightynine | Is here any people using XFCE or KDE? |
| 19:49.47 | somiaj | yes, people use both, but it is better to ask more specific support questions |
| 19:50.16 | greycat | If you're having video troubles, start by telling us which video chipset(s) you use, from lspci -nn output. If there's both an nvidia and an intel (optimus/bumblebee), you're in for a world of hurt. |
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| 19:50.37 | Eightynine | Did you experience any problems with these DEs in Debian? |
| 19:51.07 | somiaj | the DEs in debian stable are well tested, as I mentioned it sounds like you have hardware that isn't that compadable with linux |
| 19:51.14 | somiaj | we can help if you let us know wha thardware |
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| 19:51.59 | MrKeuner | Hi, can I still install openjdk-8-jdk in Jessie from backports? |
| 19:52.16 | somiaj | ,v openjdk-8-jdk |
| 19:52.17 | MrKeuner | This is a machine off WAN |
| 19:52.17 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jdk on amd64 -- stretch: 8u222-b10-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 8u222-b10-1~deb9u1; sid: 8u222-b10-1; experimental: 8u232-b04-1 |
| 19:52.20 | jhutchins_wk | ,v openjdi-8 |
| 19:52.22 | judd | No package named 'openjdi-8' was found in amd64. |
| 19:52.37 | greycat | !jessie-backports |
| 19:52.37 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but rebuilt for use with Jessie (Debian 8) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Jessie-backports are no longer being created, and the existing ones are archived. See https://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie for instructions. |
| 19:52.56 | somiaj | MrKeuner: you will have to go manually look through the archive, jessie isn't supported any more |
| 19:53.18 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie#FAQ |
| 19:53.27 | MrKeuner | somiaj, what would that mean? looking inb packages.debian.org, download manually and install manually? |
| 19:53.29 | somiaj | If you have jessie-backports in your sources.list, 'apt policy openjdk-8-jdk' will let you know if it is there are not |
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| 19:53.57 | somiaj | MrKeuner: packages.debian.org might stop listing jessie packages, I would just use tools on a system that has the sources available. |
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| 19:54.40 | somiaj | ,v fvwm |
| 19:54.41 | Eightynine | I thought about hardware too. Any distribution I choose I have some problems: either Plymouth not working (Ubuntu and Ubuntu-based), update manager crashing (Ubuntu) Discover is crashing (Debian, KDE Neon), black screen and freeze in Debian XFCE when going back from monitor standby mode |
| 19:54.41 | judd | Package: fvwm on amd64 -- jessie: 1:2.6.5.ds-3; stretch: 1:2.6.7-3; buster: 1:2.6.8-1; bullseye: 1:2.6.8-1+b1; sid: 1:2.6.8-1+b1 |
| 19:55.03 | somiaj | Hmm, I guess judd is still listing jessie and jessie-backports, so if judd isn't finding it, it proabably isn't there |
| 19:55.34 | greycat | I only see a result for jessie, not jessie-backports. |
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| 19:56.10 | Eightynine | Yes, I will tell about my hardware, I just wanted to describe issues first. So my hardware is Core i3 6100, integrated graphics, 8 GB RAM and 120 GB SSD. If needed, I will provide you with other information. |
| 19:56.18 | greycat | Unless someone tells me otherwise, I'm just going to repeat that the instructions for jessie-backports, which are archived, are on the wiki page. |
| 19:56.42 | greycat | Eightynine: If you're having video troubles, start by telling us which video chipset(s) you use, from lspci -nn output. If there's both an nvidia and an intel (optimus/bumblebee), you're in for a world of hurt. |
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| 19:57.26 | Eightynine | Yes, I saw this message. My graphics card is Intel 530. It's integrated graphics in Core i3 6100. |
| 19:57.59 | somiaj | and your machine dosen't also have some other gpu besdies the integrated one? |
| 19:58.27 | Eightynine | https://pastebin.com/2bpbzeEk Does this help? |
| 19:58.32 | MrKeuner | greycat, providing this flag: Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false; to apt after adding deb http://archive.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main in source list seems to locate a openjdk-8jdk package but it errors that openjdk-8-jdk-headless and openjdk-8-jre are not going to be installed. |
| 19:58.41 | Eightynine | somiaj: No, only integrated one. |
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| 19:59.01 | somiaj | Eightynine: nothing you listed so far sounds like hardware that is known to have problems with linux |
| 19:59.17 | somiaj | maybe it is the firmware on the mobo (acpi) causing problems, or maybe you have hardware that is just going bad |
| 19:59.19 | MrKeuner | greycat, is it possible that the archive would have somer of the necessary packages, but not all? |
| 19:59.58 | Eightynine | somiaj: I think my hardware is buggy itself and not buggy for Linux. |
| 20:00.00 | somiaj | MrKeuner: jessie-backports isn't a full release, you also need jessie in your sources.list to install the packages. |
| 20:00.23 | MrKeuner | somiaj, ah all right, thank you |
| 20:04.42 | Eightynine | somiaj: You're probably right. I had BIOS issues a few years ago until I updated it. I had problems because of PSU too and a few months ago my Power button on my desktop PC work bad. My PC turns on with delay and when booting LED on motherboard becomes red shortly (which means "GPU error). I'm not sure why is that and why do I have RANDOM issues in DIFFERENT distributions. I think if Debian and Fedora with Gnome will work good on my PC |
| 20:04.44 | Eightynine | then these are the only OSs and the only DE which fits my PC. Am I right? |
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| 20:16.00 | VinAlencc404 | Hello, guys! I'm looking for a BASH script tutorial (or post) which could help me with one thing. I want to create a menu which the header is fixed on the screen, while the information bellow this header could keep being updated (with a loop). Do you know where I can find this information? |
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| 20:25.56 | somiaj | Eightynine: random issues are often due to bad ram, either ram on the machine, ram on the video card, or sometimes ram on the cpu (though I don't think I've seen an issue where cpu cache was bad) |
| 20:26.21 | somiaj | VinAlencc404: bash is a text shell, but you say menu, are you in some graphical enviorment? |
| 20:26.49 | somiaj | or are you wanting some ncurses like menu you can use arrow keys to go up and down? |
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| 20:31.50 | VinAlencc404 | somiaj: No, no GUI, just text. I'm creating a text menu, and the information must be updated, without change the top. |
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| 20:32.30 | greycat | Have you considered using dialog? It sounds like it might work. |
| 20:32.37 | jhutchins_wk | Eightynine: Is this a laptop or a desktop? |
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| 20:32.45 | greycat | VinAlencc404: https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/040 |
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| 20:33.03 | VinAlencc404 | greycat: Well... I'll check it out. Both, dialog and the link. Thx. |
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| 20:33.47 | jhutchins_wk | VinAlencc404: It must be possible. I'm using irssi, which has constant top and bottom bars and scrolling text in a window. |
| 20:34.13 | jhutchins_wk | VinAlencc404: aptitude has a similar interface. |
| 20:34.36 | jhutchins_wk | VinAlencc404: I don't think pure bash does that though, I think it's GTK(?). |
| 20:34.44 | VinAlencc404 | jhutchins_wk: Yeah, I am looking for something similar to these programs, but using BASH script |
| 20:34.47 | greycat | irssi is not gtk-based. |
| 20:34.49 | somiaj | VinAlencc404: text terminals in general don't have good tools to control stuff like that (you could do it with escape characters, but different terminals may do this differently) |
| 20:35.00 | jhutchins_wk | VinAlencc404: Bash isn't going to do it by itself. Period. |
| 20:35.11 | greycat | seriously, I think dialog is the best fit for what he has revealed of the goals so far |
| 20:35.19 | jhutchins_wk | Is GTK the right acronym? |
| 20:35.20 | somiaj | VinAlencc404: using some libary such as ncurses or dialog is the more common approach, but I don't htink this can be done with just bash sripts. |
| 20:35.28 | greycat | libgtk is a graphical toolkit |
| 20:35.38 | VinAlencc404 | Got it |
| 20:35.40 | cstls | ncurses |
| 20:35.50 | jhutchins_wk | What's the text menu aptitude done in? |
| 20:36.08 | greycat | curses, perhaps? dunno, I've never used aptitude interactively. |
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| 20:36.24 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: libncursesw5 is a depends of aptitude, so I think ncurses |
| 20:36.31 | greycat | wooledg:~$ ldd /usr/bin/dialog | grep curses |
| 20:36.31 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.32 | somiaj | which is a very common tool for such things. |
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| 20:36.57 | somiaj | ahh looks like dialog uses ncurses as well, wonder what the 'w' is for in 'libncursesw' |
| 20:37.38 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.56 | somiaj | ahh that is probably it, thanks. |
| 20:38.48 | greycat | curses is a C library for manipulating terminals. ncurses is a (the) free software implementation of curses. |
| 20:39.25 | greycat | From a shell script, you can't use C libraries directly, so you call some other program that links to the library, in this case dialog, or whiptail, or something similar. |
| 20:39.59 | VinAlencc404 | greycat: I will try dialog or whiptail, thanks |
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| 20:41.09 | VinAlencc404 | Thank you, guys! |
| 20:41.12 | VinAlencc404 | See you! |
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| 20:53.24 | Eightynine | jhutchins_wk: It's a desktop. somiaj By random I mean in one distribution or desktop one thing is not working, in other it's something other. |
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| 20:55.12 | EdePopede | Eightynine: is it always the same application crashing in the particular desktop? maybe even reproducible? |
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| 21:01.02 | Eightynine | In XFCE I have black screen and freeze after going back from monitor suspend mode. In KDE Discover is crashing (Debian, Ubuntu, KDE Neon). It takes long to connect Wi-Fi in KDE and if I turn on autologin it asks me for password twice. In Ubuntu Gnome update manager is crashing, Wi-Fi icon has question mark and in KDE sometimes I see exclamation mark on Wi-Fi icon. |
| 21:02.41 | jhutchins_wk | Eightynine: Open it up, clean it out, unplug everything and plug it back in (reseat cards & dimms). |
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| 21:03.18 | lars_3 | hello |
| 21:04.27 | lars_3 | buster is cracking up on my system !! |
| 21:04.32 | lars_3 | soecially gnome environment |
| 21:04.59 | Eightynine | jhutchins: I tried to do that. It didn't help. I think my PC works bad because of crappy PSU and case. |
| 21:05.05 | EdePopede | Eightynine: wifi problem, maybe drivers or race condition? as for XFCE, maybe ask there. could also be there are cli tools doing the same job, would maybe give a hint |
| 21:06.06 | lars_3 | i tried buster with two different DE's, 1. Gnome 2. Lxde |
| 21:07.03 | lars_3 | When on gnome after logging in to desktpp he hangged up bad and would only restart. Timeframe was of a few seconds only. |
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| 21:07.54 | lars_3 | when i used lxde it was all fine, no lag or anything all perfect, but as i installed gnome on lxde, after a rebbot as i logged in to gnome, it hung up again. |
| 21:08.28 | EdePopede | oh, and PSU. may be. i once had my board (or maybe it was the situation with the PSU) dying and first it needed multiple restarts, later even pumping the power button. there were 2 situation i think, one was solved with a new (and better) PSU (with More Power(tm)), the other one with a new PC thanks to a dead board with some proprietary crap |
| 21:09.18 | Eightynine | EdePopede: I'm not sure. On Windows I had issues with driver. Every few months Intel was releasing bad driver and then they released fixed version. Last time I had such issue in August and decided to switch to Linux. |
| 21:11.55 | EdePopede | lars_3: so it is gnome causing problems? do they use some nifty shine effects which may cause problems with your GPU? |
| 21:12.36 | lars_3 | i dont know, this issue is as it is as was in stretch on my system. |
| 21:14.11 | lars_3 | only gnome is doing it rest other DEs are working great |
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| 21:15.15 | EdePopede | maybe adding some grub option to turn of some of the advanced GPU things (like noapic or noacpi or similar, that's only examples) |
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| 21:27.51 | MrKeuner | somiaj, hmm actually jessie is there, already. Any othjer thoughts? |
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| 21:34.13 | somiaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.16 | somiaj | !bat |
| 21:34.16 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 21:34.26 | somiaj | basic info needed to troubleshoot problems with installing packages with apt |
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| 21:43.23 | MrKeuner | somiaj, https://gist.github.com/Kudret/9735bf62ddc8469685947be10ad00b90 |
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| 21:44.36 | somiaj | MrKeuner: you are missing the -t jessie-backports in your install command |
| 21:44.46 | somiaj | (due to pinning this is needed to install packages from backports) |
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| 21:46.36 | MrKeuner | somiaj, thank you! |
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| 22:08.29 | Gigglebyte | Earlier today someone said it was ok to load Debian 10.0.1 live cd for recovering stretch, but I now get an error message that says invalid magic number. ERror: you need to load kernel first. What does this mean? |
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| 22:12.25 | dvs | I think that person is wrong. I'd use a stretch live CD to recover a stretch installation. |
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| 22:14.58 | somiaj | it really depends on what needs to be recovered, but stretch should run just fine on a buster kernel, so using a buster live image then chrooting into stretch to fix should be possible. |
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| 22:54.42 | pushEject | so slax didnt install on my SD card. the readme made it seem pretty simple but im wondering if i missed something...anyone got a sec? |
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| 22:56.56 | somiaj | !slax |
| 22:56.56 | dpkg | well, slax is a <Slackware>-based GNU/Linux Live distribution. http://www.slax.org/ ##slax on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:57.08 | somiaj | pushEject: this is #debian, you may want to ask in ##slax |
| 22:57.23 | pushEject | hmm...i thought it switched |
| 22:57.37 | pushEject | pretty sure their website said now debian...just use apt ;) |
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| 22:57.47 | somiaj | !based on debian |
| 22:57.47 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 22:58.01 | somiaj | pushEject: either way, we don't support based on debian here, only debian pure blends. |
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| 22:58.20 | somiaj | ##slax probably knows if they switched and might be able to help |
| 22:59.21 | pushEject | well tell me this...i just wanted a lite distro to run on an old 8g sd card...any ideas for something deb? |
| 23:00.02 | somiaj | Debian can be made fairly light, it really depends on the software you install. But a minimial debian base system is only 500megs, with a small window manager and xorg, you could probably do that with debian |
| 23:00.43 | somiaj | Other distros might also work, they just won't be supported here. I advocate someone chooses the distro that fits their needs best |
| 23:01.45 | pushEject | something easy to learn on...which is why i went the debian fork. or was told to... |
| 23:02.13 | pushEject | but thanks anyway |
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| 23:02.59 | Caplain | pushEject, https://www.linuxliteos.com |
| 23:03.12 | Caplain | oooof |
| 23:03.17 | Caplain | oh well lol |
| 23:03.22 | whislock | failhorn.wav |
| 23:03.27 | Caplain | :D |
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| 23:06.09 | iuiututa | how is the status of mobile debian in development, if is one interested? |
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| 23:09.40 | iuiututa | i wish could get a mobile wiped from google and on top of debian repos |
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| 23:10.52 | iuiututa | mean google present outstanding apps, but your life is not yours anumore |
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| 23:13.53 | linuxguy2020 | I installed Debian without a desktop environment for use as a server. The server is installed as a VirtualBox machine that automatically starts when the NAS starts up so that its always running. The only thing that I need this server to do is launch a bash script. How do I launch that automatically when the server starts? |
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| 23:15.01 | whislock | linuxguy2020: Could write a systemd unit to do it. They're not difficult to write. |
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| 23:19.57 | somiaj | linuxguy2020: /etc/rc.local is sitll supported (see the rc.local service) if you want to just launch a script from there. Though whislock of writing a systemd unit is a better approach IMO |
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| 23:36.26 | VinAlencc404 | Hey, guys! How are you? Few hours ago, I joinned this channel and asked about BASH script and how to keep a header fixed but change the rest with a loop. Few of you gave me some tips (dialog, ncurses etc) but I am here to let you know that I found a way: using loop with 'tput cup X Y'. |
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| 23:36.55 | VinAlencc404 | Anyway, thank you for the guys who gave me those tips. |
| 23:37.04 | somiaj | there are ways to do things that doens't use ncurses, but they are often limited to working on certain terminals |
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| 23:37.23 | somiaj | I once wrote a program that did all this using escape sequences, but that was a mess if your terminal didn't support vt100 escape sequences |
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| 23:37.34 | VinAlencc404 | I understand |
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| 23:38.16 | VinAlencc404 | Well... My script is really simple, so a simple solution using TPUT was enough. |
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| 23:39.01 | VinAlencc404 | If you guys want to check, my project is 2FA-Auth and you can check it on https://github.com/alencc1986/2FA-Auth.git |
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| 23:41.36 | tds | VinAlencc404: so if you happen to run a backup while gpg is doing its thing and encrypting the token, the plaintext token gets backed up? :( |
| 23:43.29 | tds | VinAlencc404: btw, you might also want to look at pass and pass-otp - rather neat solutions, the git integration is handy, and pass is even packaged in debian :) - looks like a fun little project anyway though! |
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| 23:47.54 | VinAlencc404 | tds: You mean, system backup? Honestly, I didn't have this idea in mind. |
| 23:48.30 | VinAlencc404 | tds: I'll check these programs you mentioned |
| 23:48.51 | tds | or any other process that can read those files, that was just a (poor) example |
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