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| 02:03.51 | bigMouthCommie | http://paste.debian.net/1101525/ |
| 02:04.36 | bigMouthCommie | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 02:04.38 | bigMouthCommie | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 02:04.42 | bigMouthCommie | and |
| 02:04.51 | bigMouthCommie | The following packages have unmet dependencies: inetutils-ping : Conflicts: ping |
| 02:05.14 | bigMouthCommie | in fairness, i'm like 2000+ pkgs behind |
| 02:05.19 | bigMouthCommie | on debian 9 |
| 02:05.31 | dvs | ,v ping |
| 02:05.32 | judd | No package named 'ping' was found in amd64. |
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| 02:06.42 | bigMouthCommie | can i purge ping and then install the inetutils-ping, THEN run the upgrade? |
| 02:07.27 | dvs | Whatever you have not, it isn't Debian so you won't end up with a proper Debian install |
| 02:07.44 | dvs | s/not/before/ |
| 02:09.14 | bigMouthCommie | uh... i am only using official pkgs. it's POSSIBLE that ping has been deprecated in favor of inetutils-ping |
| 02:09.26 | bigMouthCommie | but i assure you i'm onl using debian sources |
| 02:09.48 | iuiututa | come assured you |
| 02:09.53 | bigMouthCommie | Virtual packages like 'ping' can't be removed |
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| 02:10.13 | bigMouthCommie | fudge. can i dist-upgrade? |
| 02:10.50 | dvs | If ping is an old Debian package, you cannot dist-upgrade directly to buster from something older than stretch. |
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| 02:13.12 | bigMouthCommie | i'm in debian 9 |
| 02:13.30 | dvs | no, Debian 9 does not have a ping package. |
| 02:13.41 | bigMouthCommie | it's a virtual pkg |
| 02:13.49 | bigMouthCommie | that i can't remove |
| 02:14.24 | bigMouthCommie | will i break my system if i do the dist-upgrade now? |
| 02:14.40 | bigMouthCommie | i always did update && upgrade && dist-upgrade in the past |
| 02:15.34 | bigMouthCommie | also, it never worked and i always ended up with a new install media |
| 02:15.49 | genright | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 02:16.10 | genright | its long but should help? |
| 02:16.17 | iuiututa | release a help linlk |
| 02:16.42 | iuiututa | for people who need |
| 02:17.04 | iuiututa | fella |
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| 02:18.44 | iuiututa | sorry |
| 02:19.06 | iuiututa | i am a man to excuse |
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| 02:22.35 | iuiututa | by the way pip gets source from trusty? |
| 02:23.59 | iuiututa | we must trust aint ya |
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| 02:31.05 | ipv6ssh | How do I ssh to ipv6? |
| 02:33.03 | bigMouthCommie | uh... i appreciate the link, but at some point i broke a bunch of fonts too so i couldn't read it... i'm afraid i just rolled the dice and started runing dist-upgrade |
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| 02:40.27 | iuiututa | do you like the link? |
| 02:40.51 | bigMouthCommie | iuiututa: i cant read it in browser |
| 02:41.42 | bigMouthCommie | i select-all,copy,yank-ed it into emacs, but then i just ran the dist upgrade with no regard for safety b/c i DO have install media |
| 02:41.50 | iuiututa | bigdids we shall come this again |
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| 02:43.24 | iuiututa | i shall do the master 007 ping me |
| 02:43.50 | iuiututa | and he quit |
| 02:44.03 | iuiututa | and i solved |
| 02:44.16 | iuiututa | #$%%& |
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| 02:46.27 | iuiututa | não entregue em mãos |
| 02:47.15 | iuiututa | google it end come back with nasty problems |
| 02:48.36 | iuiututa | dis them posted mutt stuff? |
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| 02:50.08 | iuiututa | unless they say get this child pastebin i ping me |
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| 02:56.29 | iuiututa | oo7 child txt ... ping me for whatsoever |
| 02:57.25 | iuiututa | post my script and take the grants |
| 02:57.44 | iuiututa | mus have people helped |
| 02:57.53 | iuiututa | and by the way |
| 02:58.03 | iuiututa | post the link |
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| 03:01.15 | iuiututa | i want to see the help online |
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| 03:05.47 | iuiututa | and scrutize users |
| 03:06.54 | iuiututa | before take a talk |
| 03:07.56 | iuiututa | and know the live of person |
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| 03:32.17 | bigMouthCommie | ok. so it started to hang during dist-upgrade. |
| 03:32.21 | bigMouthCommie | so i pulled the power |
| 03:32.29 | bigMouthCommie | and now the gui is not working. |
| 03:32.49 | bigMouthCommie | i'm on tty2 now, but tty1 is running dpkg -a -configure (i think) |
| 03:32.56 | bigMouthCommie | anyone been here before? |
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| 03:34.43 | iuiututa | o atletico levantando trofeus |
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| 03:35.05 | iuiututa | i am sleeping |
| 03:35.12 | iuiututa | cut |
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| 03:36.51 | iuiututa | cuts |
| 03:37.04 | iuiututa | i am happpy |
| 03:38.22 | iuiututa | oil gonna rise |
| 03:38.36 | iuiututa | happy |
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| 03:42.03 | iuiututa | my system of defence is you get me me all the way |
| 03:42.43 | iuiututa | farted |
| 03:45.23 | iuiututa | afik liberal gonna suborno |
| 03:46.20 | iuiututa | iva |
| 03:46.47 | iuiututa | gonna sleep |
| 03:50.43 | genright | it boots, thats good. once dpkg is done continue with the upgrade process and cross your fingers. |
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| 03:53.52 | Gigglebyte | Would anyone know why I am receiving an error that says invalid magic number. I need to load the kernel first. This error appears when trying to Launch the Debian Live Installer 10.0.1 I am hoping to recover a system with Stretch that will not boot. |
| 03:54.38 | bigMouthCommie | umph. Gigglebyte |
| 03:55.09 | Gigglebyte | What is umph... |
| 03:55.10 | Gigglebyte | ? |
| 03:55.25 | iuiututa | cross my fingers in a determinitic sweat |
| 03:55.55 | bigMouthCommie | uhmph is an onamanapoea (sp?) for getting hit in the gut. |
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| 03:56.38 | bigMouthCommie | Gigglebyte: i checked duck-duck-go and it looks like you're install media might be bad. did you check hashes? |
| 03:56.39 | z8z | recommended vnc/rdp client alternative to that vinagre crap? |
| 03:57.14 | Gigglebyte | bigMouthCommie> No, I haven't. what would be the next step? |
| 03:57.52 | bigMouthCommie | z8z: apt search vnc gui turned up ssvnc |
| 03:58.51 | bigMouthCommie | Gigglebyte: re |
| 03:58.55 | bigMouthCommie | whoops |
| 03:59.11 | bigMouthCommie | Gigglebyte: re-download your install media, check the hash, then write it out to disk |
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| 03:59.33 | iuiututa | out disk |
| 03:59.52 | Gigglebyte | bigMouthCommie> How do I check the hash? |
| 03:59.53 | bigMouthCommie | torrents automatically check hashes for each chunk received. i recommend just using a torrent. |
| 04:00.36 | Gigglebyte | bigMouthCommie> I did use a torrent, but the stick may not have been properly ejected. |
| 04:00.56 | bigMouthCommie | ooooh. well then do all that again, but properly eject disk this time. |
| 04:01.13 | bigMouthCommie | if its still a bad magic number, maybe the torrent is bad?? |
| 04:01.17 | bigMouthCommie | idk |
| 04:03.56 | bigMouthCommie | also, possible your install media is bad. again, i don't really know. |
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| 04:08.11 | Gigglebyte | bigMouthCommie> There doesn't appear to be a way to eject a disk on this laptop. Is there a way to add that functionality? I am on a Dell Inspiron i3, but this is not the laptop that I am trying to recover. |
| 04:08.41 | bigMouthCommie | Gigglebyte: a clean shutdown will cleanly eject disk |
| 04:09.07 | bigMouthCommie | also, what OS are you running on the dell? |
| 04:09.08 | Gigglebyte | bigMouthCommie> Is there a way to add eject funcationality without shutting down? |
| 04:09.22 | Gigglebyte | bigMounthCommie> Debian stable stretch |
| 04:09.35 | bigMouthCommie | sudo umount /dev/sdc ? |
| 04:09.37 | bigMouthCommie | idk |
| 04:09.46 | bigMouthCommie | check your mounts |
| 04:09.49 | bigMouthCommie | find the disk |
| 04:09.51 | bigMouthCommie | umount it |
| 04:10.38 | bigMouthCommie | did you DD the disk? |
| 04:10.52 | bigMouthCommie | just wondering how you wrote it |
| 04:10.59 | bigMouthCommie | again, it might just be bad media |
| 04:11.09 | bigMouthCommie | trying another disk might work |
| 04:11.09 | iuiututa | its all the shit google |
| 04:11.18 | bigMouthCommie | fuck off iuiututa |
| 04:12.05 | iuiututa | bigman is all iget |
| 04:13.22 | Gigglebyte | bigMouthCommie> I used the following command after using the rm command to make space in the target directory: sudo cpDocuments/Files/*.* /media/sdb1 |
| 04:13.46 | bigMouthCommie | yo cp will not do it. |
| 04:13.52 | Gigglebyte | Its not copying so something is wrong, but I don't know what. |
| 04:13.56 | bigMouthCommie | you need to dd |
| 04:14.25 | Gigglebyte | Why will cp not do it? |
| 04:14.31 | bigMouthCommie | and i would umount /media/sdb1 first |
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| 04:15.12 | bigMouthCommie | idk the specifics, but it's something like "cp only copies the bits into an existing partition, where dd makes a bit-for-bit copy of a disk" |
| 04:15.34 | bigMouthCommie | so it'll be like |
| 04:15.41 | bigMouthCommie | sudo umount /media/sdb1 |
| 04:15.42 | bigMouthCommie | then |
| 04:16.02 | bigMouthCommie | sudo dd Documents/Files/debian.iso /dev/sdb |
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| 04:16.25 | bigMouthCommie | for good measure, i might throw in sudo umount /dev/sdb |
| 04:16.31 | bigMouthCommie | (before the dd) |
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| 04:17.08 | bigMouthCommie | i'd love to hear how this turns out |
| 04:17.46 | bigMouthCommie | to be clear, we are going to COMPLETELY NUKE /dev/sdb with these commands |
| 04:17.53 | bigMouthCommie | you're not going to have any of your old files |
| 04:18.24 | Gigglebyte | Gigglebyte> Looked up dd in man, but confused. What syntax would you use? |
| 04:19.17 | bigMouthCommie | uh... hold up |
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| 04:21.26 | Gigglebyte | bigMouthCommie> Old files are already removed. However, I get an error message that dd: is an unrecognized operand on 'Documents/Files/debian-Live-10.1.0-amd64-xfce.iso |
| 04:22.01 | bigMouthCommie | https://linuxize.com/post/ceate-bootable-debian-10-usb-stick-on-linux/ |
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| 04:22.09 | EoflaOE | Gigglebyte: sudo dd if=Documents/Files/debian.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 04:22.23 | bigMouthCommie | it might need like a flag to indicate input and output |
| 04:22.28 | bigMouthCommie | i'm just working off of memory here |
| 04:22.38 | bigMouthCommie | EoflaOE: COMIN UP CLUTCH |
| 04:23.20 | bigMouthCommie | input file, output file |
| 04:24.10 | Gigglebyte | bigMouthCommie> I now get an error that dd: failedto open 'Documents/Files'*.*': No such file or directory. |
| 04:25.00 | bigMouthCommie | Gigglebyte: you gotta give the whole, specific filename |
| 04:25.05 | iuiututa | y are floodind with |
| 04:25.20 | bigMouthCommie | but it should tab-complete if you start with Document/Files/debian |
| 04:25.32 | bigMouthCommie | EoflaOE: can we kill iuiututa ?? |
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| 04:25.36 | Gigglebyte | Gigglebyte> bigMouthCommie> In Linux *.* is usually ok if that is the only file in the folder. Is there an exception to this rule? |
| 04:25.57 | bigMouthCommie | Gigglebyte: it seems like dd wants to know the specific file |
| 04:25.58 | EoflaOE | bigMouthCommie: yes |
| 04:26.05 | bigMouthCommie | Gigglebyte: just tab-complete it |
| 04:26.35 | bigMouthCommie | EoflaOE: ... how? |
| 04:26.56 | iuiututa | many voices |
| 04:27.24 | EoflaOE | bigMouthCommie: Anything. |
| 04:27.54 | iuiututa | pip trusfulll |
| 04:28.15 | bigMouthCommie | Gigglebyte: is it writing? |
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| 04:28.41 | iuiututa | go on |
| 04:29.03 | Gigglebyte | bigMouthCommie> I am not sure. I ran lsblk and there isn't anything there http://paste.debian.net/1101531/ |
| 04:29.50 | Gigglebyte | How come it isn't showing up in LSBLK? |
| 04:29.57 | iuiututa | my man in my script |
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| 04:37.35 | jadax | I installed notepadqq from snap on debian 10 (sudo snap install notepadqq) |
| 04:37.43 | jadax | but now I don't see notepadqq anywhere on my system |
| 04:37.47 | jadax | what's going on? |
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| 04:39.34 | bigMouthCommie | Gigglebyte: looks like it ran to me |
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| 04:39.48 | bigMouthCommie | yank that disk, slam it in target,and try to boot |
| 04:39.53 | Gigglebyte | bigMouthCommie> How come it isn't showing up in LSBLK? |
| 04:40.02 | bigMouthCommie | b/c it's not mounted |
| 04:40.08 | bigMouthCommie | (i assume) |
| 04:40.13 | diogenes_ | jadax, search for notepadqq in terminal. |
| 04:40.34 | jadax | find -name "snap*" / -r |
| 04:40.35 | jadax | like that? |
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| 04:41.35 | diogenes_ | yes or: find / -type f 2>/dev/null | grep notepadqq |
| 04:42.19 | bigMouthCommie | Gigglebyte: hows that goin?! |
| 04:42.23 | bigMouthCommie | :D |
| 04:42.33 | diogenes_ | jadax, also try this: snap list |
| 04:42.46 | diogenes_ | this will show you snap packages installed on your system. |
| 04:42.55 | Gigglebyte | bigMounthCommie> Can you explain why the file isn't showing up after I ran lsblk? |
| 04:43.06 | bigMouthCommie | Gigglebyte: you umounted it |
| 04:43.13 | bigMouthCommie | (or you should have) |
| 04:43.19 | jadax | http://dpaste.com/3H4BVG3.txt |
| 04:43.22 | jadax | that's my snap list |
| 04:43.23 | bigMouthCommie | you should be able to mount it |
| 04:43.26 | Gigglebyte | bigMouthCommie> It was unmounted before I ran dd. |
| 04:43.38 | bigMouthCommie | sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 |
| 04:43.43 | bigMouthCommie | lsblk |
| 04:43.59 | jadax | interesting that my snap core says 'broken' |
| 04:44.54 | diogenes_ | jadax, try: snap run notepadqq |
| 04:45.11 | jadax | cannot locate the core or legacy core snap (current symlink missing?): No such file or directory |
| 04:45.20 | jadax | something is off |
| 04:45.26 | bigMouthCommie | Note that lsblk might be executed in time when udev does not have all information about recently added or modified devices yet. In this case it is recommended to use udevadm settle |
| 04:45.37 | bigMouthCommie | (from the lsblk manpage) |
| 04:45.45 | diogenes_ | jadax, try: sudo snap refresh core |
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| 04:45.51 | bigMouthCommie | Gigglebyte: ?? |
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| 04:46.08 | jadax | diogenes_ that might have fixed it |
| 04:46.14 | jadax | doesn't say 'broken' anymore |
| 04:46.25 | Gigglebyte | udevadm settle? |
| 04:46.28 | jadax | and notepadqq runs! |
| 04:46.47 | diogenes_ | cool now you can make a .desktop file and enjpy it. |
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| 04:46.58 | diogenes_ | enjoy* |
| 04:47.00 | jadax | I get some errors thou, http://dpaste.com/1DK0P90.txt |
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| 04:47.35 | diogenes_ | no clue about those but if it runs then it's ok. |
| 04:47.36 | agris | What is the difference between linux-image-amd64 and linux-image-cloud-amd64? |
| 04:47.42 | jadax | diogenes_ thanks1 |
| 04:47.53 | diogenes_ | you're welcome. |
| 04:48.30 | Gigglebyte | I ran udevadm settle and then ran lsblk, and still no evidence of the file in /media/sdb1 |
| 04:48.53 | Gigglebyte | Unfortunately it is getting late so I will need to take up this problem tomorrow. Your help is appreciated. |
| 04:48.57 | bigMouthCommie | Gigglebyte: did you try the mount command? |
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| 04:49.06 | Gigglebyte | hold on |
| 04:50.39 | Gigglebyte | bigMouthCommie> I now get an error that it can't find 'dev'sdb in 'etc'fstab |
| 04:52.53 | Gigglebyte | This is the result of m fstab http://paste.debian.net/1101535/ |
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| 04:53.52 | Gigglebyte | I need to go to sleep. I will finish tomorrow. |
| 04:54.24 | bigMouthCommie | Gigglebyte: you wrote out the file |
| 04:54.29 | bigMouthCommie | i saw your dd output |
| 04:54.39 | bigMouthCommie | just slam the drive into target machine and boot from it |
| 04:54.57 | Gigglebyte | bigMouthCommie> I will do this tomorrow. I am going to sleep after I pay a bill. |
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| 04:57.18 | Agafnd | if i'm an unprivileged user on a multi-user system, how do i find what resources (RAM/CPU/disk) I'm using? |
| 04:58.03 | diogenes_ | Agafnd, top or htop. |
| 04:58.30 | Agafnd | ah okay. thanks |
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| 05:14.09 | iuiututa | isso ai negão |
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| 05:17.40 | iuiututa | get you are no up to |
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| 05:18.01 | iuiututa | prostitute |
| 05:21.32 | iuiututa | y discovered the name |
| 05:21.50 | Agafnd | are you all right, iuiututa? |
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| 05:22.05 | iuiututa | sanitation |
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| 05:23.57 | themill | iuiututa: I suspect you wanted a channel other than #debian. #chat perhaps? |
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| 05:32.13 | iuiututa | breaatth in |
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| 05:32.32 | iuiututa | good |
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| 05:33.39 | iuiututa | code |
| 05:33.59 | iuiututa | y are in my lyne |
| 05:34.36 | l9 | all your base are belong to us |
| 05:36.43 | iuiututa | uhh |
| 05:37.24 | iuiututa | 007 man show you |
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| 05:39.17 | iuiututa | my man |
| 05:39.49 | iuiututa | post mutt and give me the link |
| 05:41.36 | iuiututa | 007 is a mutt |
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| 05:43.40 | iuiututa | policy stuff domt comcerns me now |
| 05:45.55 | iuiututa | i am a pooor dork inthe giving up system |
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| 05:47.08 | iuiututa | dis they acessd you? |
| 05:47.46 | iuiututa | i laufh |
| 05:49.11 | iuiututa | y are so |
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| 05:52.27 | iuiututa | nego voceis sao muito crazy |
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| 05:55.14 | iuiututa | candy or bich |
| 05:56.19 | iuiututa | post |
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| 05:57.01 | iuiututa | i did |
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| 05:57.49 | iuiututa | robbie |
| 05:58.16 | iuiututa | vc vai cobrir? |
| 05:58.33 | iuiututa | telefone rings? |
| 05:58.36 | Agafnd | dpkg: ops iuiututa is being spammy |
| 05:58.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: agafnd complains about a problem (see above) |
| 05:58.43 | Haohmaru | eyeballz iuiututa |
| 05:59.33 | iuiututa | complain |
| 06:00.29 | Haohmaru | iuiututa what was your question? |
| 06:01.10 | iuiututa | impresssing |
| 06:02.29 | l9 | Zalyssa: did they ever escape? |
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| 06:06.11 | iuiututa | haokmu i am collabollative |
| 06:08.08 | iuiututa | rica |
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| 06:08.35 | Haohmaru | how bout you collaborate with silence and keep quiet untill you have a question |
| 06:08.40 | Haxxa | logrotate fails: "error: stat of /run//Log failed: No such file or directory" |
| 06:09.20 | Haohmaru | Haxxa that double slash looks fishy to me |
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| 06:10.22 | Agafnd | usually multiple slashes don't affect anything, right? |
| 06:12.02 | Agafnd | cd /usr//////share; pwd # --> /usr/share |
| 06:12.19 | Haohmaru | maybe you're right o_O |
| 06:13.19 | Haohmaru | no idea what /run/Log is supposed to be, but perhaps should it have a capital L there? |
| 06:13.30 | Haxxa | This was stock install of debian |
| 06:13.32 | Haohmaru | on my debian i *do* have /run/log but not Log |
| 06:13.43 | Agafnd | yeah, me too |
| 06:14.03 | iuiututa | rob uhu |
| 06:14.04 | Haxxa | so mkdir /run/log ? |
| 06:14.10 | Haxxa | or is it a file |
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| 06:14.32 | Haohmaru | it's a folder |
| 06:14.42 | Haxxa | hmmmm... already exists |
| 06:15.12 | Haohmaru | but afaik a file named Log could exist right next to it no problem.. so.. *shrug* |
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| 06:16.02 | Haxxa | cd: /run//Log: No such file or directory |
| 06:16.06 | Haxxa | doesn't like // |
| 06:16.32 | Haohmaru | if Log doesn't exist that won't work |
| 06:16.43 | Haohmaru | do you have a directory /run/Log ? |
| 06:17.17 | Haohmaru | Haxxa you know that the filesystem is usually case-sensitive on linux, right? |
| 06:17.36 | Haohmaru | so log and Log are two different names and can exist next to each other |
| 06:17.37 | iuiututa | petição tto sleep |
| 06:17.59 | Haohmaru | iuiututa gudbai, sleep tight |
| 06:18.04 | Haohmaru | >:/ |
| 06:18.08 | iuiututa | lets do the job |
| 06:19.49 | iuiututa | u dis |
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| 06:19.58 | iuiututa | u did |
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| 06:20.16 | iuiututa | do me againn |
| 06:20.30 | iuiututa | &*&&$*$*(&%)*& |
| 06:22.00 | iuiututa | vordoormir |
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| 06:27.40 | Haxxa | Haohmaru, thanks fixed |
| 06:27.48 | iuiututa | pip is so relyable as repo debian? |
| 06:28.21 | iuiututa | go all the way |
| 06:30.27 | iuiututa | mean deb |
| 06:30.59 | iuiututa | repo |
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| 06:36.01 | iuiututa | beatufull work |
| 06:36.04 | saaam | Hey, I'm a bit confused by MySQL support in Debian 8/Jessie. https://salsa.debian.org/debian/debian-security-support/blob/master/security-support-ended.deb8 says that it's out of support as of June 30th of this year, but browsing through packages I can't seem to find a 5.6 or 5.7 (or any other version, except MariaDB 10) in Jessie. |
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| 06:38.30 | iuiututa | focus on buster[ |
| 06:39.13 | iuiututa | ps ttaasdasfda |
| 06:39.21 | iuiututa | sorry |
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| 06:47.47 | iuiututa | psincess not do me] |
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| 06:51.34 | iuiututa | not |
| 06:52.21 | iuiututa | ta na nuvem? |
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| 06:53.13 | Carlos | soy Carlos y estoy aprendiendo a usar kali linux |
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| 06:56.19 | iuiututa | dady? |
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| 06:59.16 | Carlos | bye |
| 06:59.41 | humbabl | buenas noches / |
| 07:00.11 | humbabl | ocho de la manyana in Espana no? |
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| 07:22.43 | womanizer | correct if im wrong, just having brainfast and im on mobile. im just trying to explain a fellow student the difference between ; , && , and ||. so when using ; all commands are executed no matter what, && only executed if the first command is successful and last, || is either or meaning if the 1st one fails, execute the second one and vice versa |
| 07:23.00 | womanizer | brainfart* |
| 07:24.37 | diogenes_ | looks correct. |
| 07:24.49 | Fox | && is AND || is OR |
| 07:25.00 | womanizer | thanks |
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| 07:25.53 | Fox | man bash and look for Lists |
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| 07:55.20 | annadane | i forget the factoid/howto how to make a sid chroot, can anyone help? |
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| 07:58.43 | ratrace | annadane: http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/search.php?q=chroot&term=key |
| 07:59.12 | annadane | ...yeah, thanks |
| 07:59.17 | annadane | i did check that already |
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| 07:59.37 | ratrace | I am guessing you just debootstrap sid into otherwise normal chroot |
| 08:00.03 | annadane | yeah, it's on https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
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| 08:00.07 | annadane | that was the name, i just forgot |
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| 08:00.18 | annadane | thought there was a factoid for it at some stage |
| 08:00.47 | themill | !debootstrap |
| 08:00.48 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
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| 08:01.22 | themill | (might also be schroot you're looking for) |
| 08:03.26 | MACscr | with buster, whats the correct way to override nameservers given out by dhcp? i am not using network manager |
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| 08:05.25 | diogenes_ | MACscr, what you use then? |
| 08:05.43 | MACscr | i guess dhclient? |
| 08:06.01 | ratrace | MACscr: for dhclient (default), there's domain-name-servers option, see dhclient.conf(5) manpage |
| 08:06.47 | themill | !override dns |
| 08:06.47 | dpkg | To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf for more details. Note that by ignoring the DHCP-provided DNS servers, you may find that you are unable to use captive portals or surf the web on some network. Beware creating technical debt by doing things like chattr +i |
| 08:06.59 | ratrace | but iirc there was a bug with it. for example, I use a dhclient enter hook script to block it from modifying resolv.conf |
| 08:07.36 | MACscr | ive found the hooks to be inconsistent and chattr is a pretty brute method to use |
| 08:08.02 | themill | supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d; is my preferred way |
| 08:08.07 | ratrace | MACscr: inconsistent how? I never had it fail on me so far. The link themill gave contains the script code, under "Stop dhclient from modifying /etc/resolv.conf" |
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| 08:09.00 | themill | (I also find sufficiently many networks don't like me doing that) |
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| 08:32.00 | josj | When upgrading to Buster the ps2 keyboard (HHKB) stopped working, a Tulip ps2 keyboard also does not work; USB (Logitech) keyboard does work. Cannot find any info on this problem, various hardware listing programs do not seem to see the ps2 keyboard either. It does not work on boot, or console or x. amd64 PC |
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| 08:39.01 | sunzero | is there a no testing upgrade for debian 10 for gnome 3.34 or 3.33 |
| 08:39.07 | sunzero | stable |
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| 08:43.20 | ratrace | ,v gnome |
| 08:43.21 | judd | Package: gnome on amd64 -- jessie: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.22+3; buster: 1:3.30+1; bullseye: 1:3.30+2; sid: 1:3.30+2 |
| 08:43.25 | Antoine| | Hello, I'd like to copy a website. I am trying with httrack, is anyone familiar with it? |
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| 08:47.13 | jelly | sunzero: there is never a bump to newer version of a DE for stable release |
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| 08:47.32 | jelly | desktop environments are complex and huge |
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| 09:04.23 | neoclust | hi, how with apt downgrade a batch of packages coming from the same deb source ? |
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| 09:08.21 | ratrace | neoclust: in general, apt/dpkg don't support downgrades due to post-inst sideffects that are impossible to revert |
| 09:09.14 | ratrace | but it might be possible to apt install specific version, assuming there are no such side effects. |
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| 09:09.52 | duude__ | o/ |
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| 09:10.33 | duude__ | Do you guys know of any way of checking how much data was written to a disk in the past 24 hours? |
| 09:10.50 | duude__ | I'm buying an M.2 SSD with very low max writes (80TB) |
| 09:10.56 | duude__ | So I want to monitor it |
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| 09:14.05 | ratrace | duude__: such SSDs have a SMART attribute that tracks total sectors written |
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| 09:14.51 | nekoseam | so theres talk about debian removing systemd or something to that effect? |
| 09:15.07 | themill | no |
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| 09:15.55 | ratrace | duude__: otherwise you can script something around summing up /proc/diskstats |
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| 09:16.47 | ratrace | nekoseam: there's talk about dropping support for _other_ inits, OR asserting init diversity and "forcing" maintainers to care about sysv too |
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| 09:19.06 | neoclust | ratrace: this is my own packages and there is not postin, but a deb source create about 20 packages and i would like without telling every name in the command line to downgrade them |
| 09:19.11 | nekoseam | why would someone care about sysv in 2019 |
| 09:20.12 | ratrace | nekoseam: so far Debian did. systemd is only _default_, sysv was never dropped. Many (most?) service packages carry both systemd units and sysv init scripts |
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| 09:21.48 | ratrace | (personally, I'd applaud any efforts to minimize maintainership burden and concentrate only on systemd) |
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| 09:23.52 | Antoine| | Hello, I'd like to make an offline copy of a website. What tool can I use? |
| 09:24.04 | duude__ | ratrace this one unfortunately doesn't, but the /proc/diskstats looks promising. I'll make a cronjob to get data every 30 mins. thanks :) |
| 09:24.26 | ratrace | duude__: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/ABI/testing/procfs-diskstats |
| 09:25.05 | duude__ | Yep reading that atm ratrace |
| 09:25.07 | ratrace | duude__: btw which SSD is that? |
| 09:27.03 | ratrace | duude__: also... filling up 80TB is gonna take a long, long time unless you know you're dealing with a lot of write IO activity. My main desktop's Samsung EVO 750 is now 4 years old, no issues so far, and it wrote only ~15TB, and I've abused that thing with Gentoo's frequent compilations... |
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| 10:29.33 | duude__ | ratrace sorry for not responding earlier |
| 10:29.38 | duude__ | my connection suddenly dropped |
| 10:29.54 | duude__ | The SSD is Transcend MTS420S, I haven't bought it yet, it's currently being shpiped to me. |
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| 10:30.19 | duude__ | It's a 240GB SSD with Smart data, but it's lifespan is max 80TB writes which is erally low for my liking. |
| 10:30.40 | duude__ | So I'm seeing how much I should write in the next 3-4 years on it before getting a replacement. |
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| 10:32.16 | Haohmaru | if sorting things, use the cycle-sort algorithm then ;P~ |
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| 10:55.24 | ratrace | duude__: I bet it tracks how many sectors it wrote. also, I bet you'll be surprised how little is written over time, unless, again, you know you'll be running write intensive io |
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| 11:00.36 | pigeon123 | I have a security issue with XFCE desktop panel: it allows to execute any file (bash /file/name). Is there such a thing as a secure desktop environment? |
| 11:00.58 | pigeon123 | All that is required: 1. must be in PATH 2. no arguments |
| 11:01.22 | pigeon123 | Microsoft Windows has the same problem. |
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| 11:02.03 | pigeon123 | Mac OS: slightly different, because no arguments, but still allows anywhere |
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| 11:03.54 | ratrace | pigeon123: not sure I follow what you mean by that. Can you give an example of what's happening? |
| 11:04.46 | pigeon123 | For example, I sit down at someone's computer, write a simple simple script to scp their data in text editor or office program, then create a short cut / launcher to it |
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| 11:05.37 | pigeon123 | I click and walk away |
| 11:05.39 | Haohmaru | well, if the person is logged in and you happen to sit on the computer and play with the desktop - of course |
| 11:05.48 | pigeon123 | It shouldn't be |
| 11:05.50 | Haohmaru | that's why there is screen locking and sh*t |
| 11:05.55 | BCMM | pigeon123: you mean a desktop environment designed to restrict what the user can do, right? |
| 11:05.57 | Haohmaru | and multiple user accounts |
| 11:06.00 | BCMM | pigeon123: *in general* |
| 11:06.04 | pigeon123 | Just restrict to PATH variable |
| 11:06.08 | ratrace | pigeon123: okay, so where's the vulnerability? you just told it to execute a bash script. scripts are not binary execs, they needn't be +x |
| 11:06.09 | BCMM | (sorry, pressed enter by accident) |
| 11:06.14 | themill | PATH is irrelevant to the problem |
| 11:06.29 | pigeon123 | It is relevant, because I could mark a file as exec |
| 11:06.34 | themill | nope |
| 11:06.39 | ratrace | it doesn't have to be +x |
| 11:06.39 | BCMM | pigeon123: *in general* you should strive to restrict capabilities, not interfaces for using those capabilities |
| 11:07.06 | pigeon123 | Mac OS got it half right, because I can't create a short cut with arguments |
| 11:07.15 | themill | and I've never seen "doing exactly what the user has asked" called a security vulnerability |
| 11:07.16 | BCMM | but for a locked-down desktop, have a look at kde's "kiosk" framework, if that's still a thing. |
| 11:07.39 | ratrace | pigeon123: your example doesn't make any sense. you're basically saying the computer is doing exatly what you told it to. |
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| 11:08.09 | Johann | pigeon123: what you are looking for is a restricted desktop, like kiosk and stuff. But otherwise, by design, you can execute anything you want when you are logged on your computer |
| 11:08.12 | BCMM | pigeon123: you know there are numerous trivial ways that a user could use executables in the $PATH to trigger execution of other executables, right? |
| 11:08.13 | Haohmaru | you could as well reboot the machine and brainwash the root password |
| 11:08.23 | pigeon123 | BCMM: I know them all |
| 11:08.47 | themill | pigeon123: there's not a problem here, I think we can all move on |
| 11:08.49 | pigeon123 | I just want a desktop that works like rbash |
| 11:09.05 | BCMM | pigeon123: what do you mean by that? that you're aware of that, and don't mind? or that you're aware of every single such workaround and intend to restrict those too? |
| 11:09.27 | pigeon123 | Not a kiosk, a desktop |
| 11:10.14 | Haohmaru | can't you make a dedicated "guest" user that can't do much? |
| 11:10.21 | BCMM | is this about protecting the user from doing dumb stuff by accident, or about preventing the user from deliberately performing unauthorised actions? |
| 11:10.30 | pigeon123 | Theft |
| 11:10.42 | Haohmaru | that's gonna be hard |
| 11:11.04 | BCMM | pigeon123: um, what? |
| 11:11.54 | pigeon123 | I guess I will trawl Google |
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| 11:12.56 | Johann | pigeon123: you are looking for a desktop that behave like "restricted bash", go have a look at a restricted desktop, like kiosk solutions. It's exactly the usage you are describing: secure usage of the desktop by an untrusted third party |
| 11:13.50 | pigeon123 | I want right click and shortcuts, just restrict |
| 11:13.58 | BCMM | pigeon123: ok, but why? |
| 11:14.10 | BCMM | what's special about the path? |
| 11:14.10 | pigeon123 | Theft, fraud |
| 11:14.18 | BCMM | pigeon123: what does that even mean? |
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| 11:14.41 | BCMM | do you think that somebody who has stolen your laptop won't be able to extract information from it except by making desktop shortcuts? |
| 11:14.52 | BCMM | or that they can't do anything bad using only utilities in the $PATH? |
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| 11:15.10 | ratrace | or that they can't run a terminal and install a whole bunch of rootkits |
| 11:15.31 | themill | or reboot and change the root password |
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| 11:16.05 | BCMM | (or, if you disable the terminal, any one of hundreds of other ways of executing arbitrary code using standard programs in the $PATH) |
| 11:16.12 | Haohmaru | gives pigeon123 a heavy chain, padlocks and a welder |
| 11:16.43 | ratrace | disabling terminal is pointless. you can open the file editor and edit any of the (shell) rc scripts, troajan the sudo with some alias magic and do plenty of other nifty things. this is all pointless. |
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| 11:17.15 | BCMM | pigeon123: "allow somebody to use the computer, without allowing them to use the computer" is a goal that is not possible. i suggest you think carefully about how what you're trying to do differs from that goal. |
| 11:17.41 | themill | Start with "what is the threat model" |
| 11:18.30 | BCMM | if this is a situation where there is a finite list of specific tasks that the machine can legitimately be used for, there are frameworks to achieve that |
| 11:18.36 | pigeon123 | Thank you for your time. I'm going to try another channel. |
| 11:18.56 | ratrace | good luck with chasing that rainbow though :) |
| 11:18.59 | aaro | i think a lock screen would do all the trick for him |
| 11:19.38 | BCMM | i've got an irritating feeling that pigeon123 might actually be trying to do something basically reasonable and achievable, but just isn't articulating it very well |
| 11:19.46 | ratrace | aaro: not quite. when physical access is threat model then it's a whole new world of hurt |
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| 11:20.27 | ratrace | aaro: plug-in your trojan USB, reboot, USB does its magic on widely open mountable drives, reboot again, pretend nothing happened. |
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| 11:23.07 | emilsp | hey, why is debian rewriting my ping packets? I'm opening a raw socket and sending pings, but it seems like everything after the first packet is _weird_ |
| 11:23.30 | ratrace | emilsp: explain? |
| 11:24.31 | emilsp | the seq and ID seem to be rewritten |
| 11:24.42 | emilsp | for subsequent ICMP requests |
| 11:25.28 | aaro | seq and ID where? icmp header or ip header? |
| 11:27.00 | emilsp | ICMP header. |
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| 11:30.49 | emilsp | Ah, it seems like the ping packet is not rewritten. But even if it's not rewritten, I can only receive a single reply :/ |
| 11:31.11 | emilsp | The same code works just fine on Fedora. Same binary even. The binary is compiled on debian. |
| 11:31.23 | emilsp | Doing the same thing with /usr/bin/ping just works |
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| 11:38.54 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone, i've installed apache2 and php7.3 but the .php file are not executed, i set the main index.php file to <?php phpinfo(); ?> and get no output |
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| 11:41.26 | Fox | did you enable the php module are reload apache ? |
| 11:41.29 | Fox | s/are/and/ |
| 11:42.34 | rocketmagnet | yes |
| 11:42.43 | rocketmagnet | a2enconf php7.3-cgi |
| 11:42.56 | rocketmagnet | and /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
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| 11:43.17 | yogg | Hi |
| 11:43.36 | Fox | rocketmagnet: and a2enmod ? |
| 11:44.16 | yogg | I try to setup an firewall with nftables. Is there a way to define complete staements? (like: define LOG = log prefix foo level info group 5) |
| 11:45.10 | yogg | I also tried this: "add rule ... log group $LOGGROUP level $LOGINFO prefix $LOGPREFIX reject" which also fails. I don't want to hardcode this on every line |
| 11:45.15 | rocketmagnet | Fox: https://paste.debian.net/1101586/ |
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| 11:46.09 | Fox | you should use prefork then |
| 11:46.55 | rocketmagnet | what does that mean ? |
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| 11:48.34 | rocketmagnet | or how to do it ? |
| 11:49.23 | Fox | do you have mpm_event enabled ? |
| 11:49.52 | jelly | rocketmagnet: php can be run in different ways together with apache. fpm is probably the sanest these days (php7.3-fpm). Not cgi (php7,3-cgi), not mod_php (libapache2-mod-php) |
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| 11:51.32 | rocketmagnet | Fox: yes |
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| 11:51.43 | rocketmagnet | and when i disable it apache2 won't start |
| 11:51.49 | rocketmagnet | Fox: ^ |
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| 12:00.51 | rocketmagnet | Fox: ? |
| 12:01.09 | rocketmagnet | any ideas |
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| 12:05.12 | rocketmagnet | i've searched for apache2 prefork but found nothing that would help me |
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| 12:10.09 | ws2k3 | does debian 10 still use /etc/networking/interfaces? or do they use systemd-network ? |
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| 12:13.02 | Fox | rocketmagnet: sorry I'm at work and don't have much time :/ |
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| 12:14.00 | Fox | rocketmagnet: a2dismod mpm_event && a2enmod mpm_prefork && /etc/init.d/apache2 reload ? |
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| 12:22.29 | BCMM | ws2k3: it uses the interfaces file for manual configuration. however, when a desktop task is installed, it will default to handling network interfaces with networkmanager. |
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| 12:23.40 | BCMM | apparently you can manually enable systemd-networkd if you want |
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| 13:00.21 | hdei28 | hello |
| 13:00.26 | hdei28 | I have a problem |
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| 13:01.47 | annadane | hdei28, yes? |
| 13:02.03 | hdei28 | i have this message on boot: " You are in emergency mode. After logging in, type "journakctl -xb" to view system logs, "systemctl reboot" to reboot, "systemctl default" or "exit" to boot into default mode." |
| 13:02.13 | hdei28 | how to ? please |
| 13:03.52 | hdei28 | et ça dit: "Donnez le mot de passe du superutilisateur pour la maintenance ' ou appuyez sur Ctrl et D pour continuer) |
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| 13:07.39 | ayekat | we don't parle franglais |
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| 13:08.15 | hdei28 | i have this message on boot: " You are in emergency mode. After logging in, type "journakctl -xb" to view system logs, "systemctl reboot" to reboot, "systemctl default" or "exit" to boot into default mode." |
| 13:08.42 | ayekat | hdei28: log in, check the journal (I'd look at `journalctl -b`), and then see what's failing |
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| 13:16.26 | karlpinc` | !tell hdei28 about fr |
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| 13:19.12 | annadane | emergency mode requires a password...? |
| 13:20.03 | dvs | root password |
| 13:20.17 | annadane | oh, never mind. "give the password or press ctrl d to continue" |
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| 13:22.50 | hdei28 | yes |
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| 13:36.41 | Eightynine | Which software should I use for writing iso to flash drive? |
| 13:36.48 | greycat | cp |
| 13:37.31 | greycat | https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch04s03.en.html |
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| 13:39.37 | kirk781 | There's something called Etch as well |
| 13:39.46 | kirk781 | In either case, dd works well, I guess |
| 13:39.52 | annadane | i still don't actually know what a flash drive is :P |
| 13:39.58 | Eightynine | kirk781: You mean Etcher, I know such app. |
| 13:40.05 | kirk781 | Eightynine, Yes |
| 13:40.10 | kirk781 | annadane, you are here too :p |
| 13:40.17 | greycat | I'm assuming they mean a USB mass storage device. |
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| 13:40.59 | Eightynine | greycat: Yes, you're right. |
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| 13:46.51 | unborn | Eightynine: he is always right, he is greatest brain out here on net |
| 13:47.14 | greycat | I'm definitely not always right. |
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| 13:50.32 | unborn | hi folks I have the question.. rather the stupid one but I come to this day and I have to ask.. since debian 6 I used always stable release, however I did try in my virtual machine unstable or testing - and it indeed looked to me very stable - is it quiet safe to install it on my home laptop? perhaps on my production laptop? - I mean 'sid' or perhaps I should always wait for release date? |
| 13:51.02 | whislock | Do you rely on it? |
| 13:51.53 | rocketmagnet | Fox: thank you, it's working now |
| 13:51.56 | unborn | whislock: I am rather looking out for stability however sid looks to me very stable at the moment.. did tested 9 and 10 and had no issues.. |
| 13:52.21 | whislock | "looks" "at the moment" |
| 13:52.35 | whislock | You're already answering the question. :) |
| 13:52.56 | whislock | I wouldn't run testing/unstable on anything that I at all rely on, personally. |
| 13:53.20 | rocketmagnet | Fox: it worked for one time, then i made changes to index.php but i still get the phpinfo() page, i tried page-reload but that doesn't helped |
| 13:53.32 | unborn | thanks whislock , I think the time has come for me to enjoy debian a bit more. |
| 13:53.45 | unborn | moving to sid :) |
| 13:54.25 | Eightynine | Etcher couldn't write iso, it told me that iso is broken. But there wasn't any error messages. |
| 13:55.33 | unborn | whislock: did tested 9 and 10 for couple of months - it was smooth and stable.. |
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| 13:55.52 | rocketmagnet | found the error xy.localhost points to localhost |
| 13:57.22 | whislock | unborn: You asked a question. The answer is "no, it is not quite safe." |
| 13:57.37 | whislock | unborn: If that's okay with you, then have fun. :) |
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| 13:59.52 | Fox | rocketmagnet: that's the solution for your php problem ? how come |
| 14:00.04 | unborn | whislock: yes and thanks for the answer. It would sound funny but actually I would say it is safe for me. Maybe on my production machine I would wait a bit but in home devices I am very confident its safe. At least I can have fun to troubleshoot some issues if ever raised..better then hours on youtube ;) |
| 14:01.16 | themill | s/if/when/ |
| 14:01.27 | rocketmagnet | there was another problem with the vhost also, he pointed xy.localhost also to localhost, i corrected it now it's working normaly, thank's alot |
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| 14:01.46 | unborn | Eightynine: sorry to disrupt you... iso is broken as you saying always check downloaded iso with hashes.. it should be somewhere on deb website. |
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| 14:06.31 | unborn | hashes = checksums (sorry) |
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| 14:11.17 | Fox | rocketmagnet: glad to know it works then |
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| 14:22.50 | proctrap | how can I prevent debian updates from re-enabling a system service ? |
| 14:23.31 | diogenes_ | to mask it. |
| 14:24.10 | proctrap | hm, interesting idea |
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| 14:24.26 | proctrap | can I still start it then by hand ? |
| 14:24.46 | diogenes_ | only after unmask. |
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| 14:25.22 | ratrace | but wait, which update re-enables admin-disabled service? |
| 14:25.36 | proctrap | ratrace: 3rd party.. |
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| 14:25.42 | proctrap | ratrace: teamviewer debian packages |
| 14:25.52 | proctrap | teamviewerd (root service required under linux..) gets re-enabled |
| 14:26.21 | ratrace | that's some third party repo? sounds like a bug, though |
| 14:26.51 | proctrap | hm, may be wrong but happened twice now |
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| 14:27.10 | proctrap | last time it took me like a month to realize that daemon is running again |
| 14:27.36 | ratrace | proctrap: but was it still disdabled? a disabled service can still be started as a dependency |
| 14:27.59 | diogenes_ | proctrap, i'd recommend anydesk instead of teamviewer, + it's portable also if you absolutely need it, you can run it in your web browser, they have webapp. |
| 14:28.00 | proctrap | that's right but AFAIK it was running after 3 weeks or so and I reboot daily |
| 14:28.05 | proctrap | work laptop |
| 14:28.07 | proctrap | not a server ^^ |
| 14:28.27 | proctrap | diogenes_: didn't look into it that much, anydesk has cross-system support ? |
| 14:28.40 | diogenes_ | yes |
| 14:28.52 | proctrap | I only need it when I have absolutely no other choice than to login to a user to help getting something to work |
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| 14:29.04 | proctrap | like twice a year.. |
| 14:29.22 | diogenes_ | anydesk is much better. |
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| 14:29.46 | diogenes_ | no installation needed. |
| 14:29.48 | proctrap | oh looks nice |
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| 14:30.12 | proctrap | yeah for linux they apparently don't have a portable version of teamviewer |
| 14:30.25 | proctrap | and the full feature contains non-attendance mode |
| 14:30.34 | proctrap | which obviously requires a daemon to work regardless of a login |
| 14:30.54 | proctrap | .. which I don't want to be reachable without any choice |
| 14:31.22 | proctrap | well that could a be a fix for the future :P |
| 14:31.57 | diogenes_ | here is where you can use tviewer in your browser: https://login.teamviewer.com/LogOn?returnUrl=%2FConnect%2FFlash |
| 14:32.00 | proctrap | sudo apt remove --purge teamviewer |
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| 14:32.09 | proctrap | diogenes_: thanks |
| 14:32.17 | diogenes_ | yw. |
| 14:33.04 | trench | why use teamviewer at all, vnc over ssh works fine? |
| 14:33.12 | proctrap | trench: please don't say that |
| 14:33.13 | versuchsanstalt | I am writing a bash script that's supposed to make a number of consecutive telnet connections to switches like (echo "input bla"; sleep 2; echo "exit") | telnet hostname. Exiting the telnet session always makes the script exit, too. How can I prevent that? |
| 14:33.40 | proctrap | trench: it definitely breaks with a lot of systems, has horrible integration of different features |
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| 14:34.03 | proctrap | on my system you get a nice flicker screen with invalid colors and half the windows missing |
| 14:34.19 | proctrap | and then you need a simple solution for non-tech people to install a client |
| 14:34.25 | jelly | trench: vnc over ssh requires a) vnc server b) ssh server c) separate NAT passthru (port forward, or vpn) |
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| 14:35.54 | proctrap | VNC is a nice MVP, but nothing more for the real world apart from tech savvy users with enough time |
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| 14:38.13 | trench | then try any of theese: https://alternativeto.net/software/teamviewer/?platform=linux |
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| 14:42.00 | trench | and tell me what works instead :P |
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| 14:49.36 | greycat | versuchsanstalt: bash is not suited to that task. Try expect, or one of expect's peers. |
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| 14:50.20 | greycat | versuchsanstalt: now on the other hand, if you don't ACTUALLY mean telnet, i.e. there is no login and password dialog, then you might be able to hack something together using nc or socat. |
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| 14:58.51 | versuchsanstalt | greycat: I was trying to avoid expect, but your advice sounds right. I'm still trying to understand the way this fails though. "Connection closed by remote host" after my part of the script echoing "exit"... I'd think I'd be able to put simply put it in a subshell and that would be exited, but no matter in how many subshells I'm nesting it, it |
| 14:58.52 | versuchsanstalt | keeps on. Without understanding what is happening, I'd try to put the individual connection into a different script and execute them from a main one. |
| 14:58.59 | versuchsanstalt | Thank you for your reply, greycat. |
| 15:00.31 | versuchsanstalt | And yes, it actually is telnet. |
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| 15:14.34 | unborn | what a nice day guys :) I have to reboot and then dive into sid. perhaps some months later o/ - have a fun |
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| 15:17.53 | Eightynine | I checked md5sum they are identical. |
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| 15:59.51 | Eightynine | I checked md5sum and it was identical. ISO was written without problems (I used dd). I tried Debian installer but it stuck when configuring network. I rebooted my PC and started Live mode and launched Calamares. Installation was finished without problems but after installation I couldn't check updates. |
| 16:01.26 | Canucktux | I updated my thinkpad (T430s) from Debian 9 to 10 and now theres no sound |
| 16:01.57 | Canucktux | Only a dummy output shows up in pavucontrol. Bluetooth speakers do work though. |
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| 16:02.06 | Canucktux | Is this common from upgrading? |
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| 16:02.38 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Upgrade_issues |
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| 16:05.17 | Canucktux | greycat: Awesome! I'll give that a shot. |
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| 16:06.46 | Eightynine | How can I remove all languages I don't need? |
| 16:07.33 | Canucktux | woo, that worked great, Debian 10 is working great now! |
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| 16:14.42 | JyZyXEL | are "x-systemd.automount,x-systemd.idle-timeout=5min" supported in busters /etc/fstab? |
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| 16:18.55 | ratrace | JyZyXEL: being rather old options, they should be, yes. |
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| 16:26.28 | JyZyXEL | i added them to a nfs share in my fstab and ran systemctl daemon-reload but the share neither automounts nor auto unmounts |
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| 17:19.34 | hdei28 | hello |
| 17:19.41 | hdei28 | i have a problem |
| 17:19.45 | hdei28 | " You are in emergency mode. After logging in, type "journakctl -xb" to view system logs, "systemctl reboot" to reboot, "systemctl default" or "exit" to boot into default mode." |
| 17:20.10 | hdei28 | [FAILED] Failed to start File system Check on /dev/................ |
| 17:20.28 | jelly | does /dev/...... exist? |
| 17:20.35 | hdei28 | See systemctl status ...........[depend] Dependency Dependency failed for /home[depend] Dependency failed for Local File Systems |
| 17:21.04 | jelly | hdei28: did you change your filesystem layout and forgot to update /etc/fstab? |
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| 17:33.15 | hdei28 | if i write "mount -a" it's ok for starting session |
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| 17:34.02 | hdei28 | after in the session, i restart the computer but i have the error message |
| 17:34.05 | hdei28 | : |
| 17:34.17 | hdei28 | " You are in emergency mode. After logging in, type "journakctl -xb" to view system logs, "systemctl reboot" to reboot, "systemctl default" or "exit" to boot into default mode."[FAILED] Failed to start File system Check on /dev/................ |
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| 17:42.58 | Eightynine | How can I install Telegram? I see older version in repositories. I tried to install flatpak but it doesn't work for me. Stucks at 0% when downloading Telegram. I tried to use VPN to download directly from site but it takes long to download and then fails. |
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| 17:46.59 | johnfg | Where do I set how many kernels are saved in /boot? I'm low on space on /boot, and I notice I've got 3 kernels. |
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| 17:51.38 | hdei28 | j'en ai plein les einss |
| 17:52.05 | avu | johnfg: try `apt autoremove` |
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| 17:55.37 | johnfg | avu: Thanks, I'd just done first the: 'apt-mark auto ^linux-image-', then the apt autoremove, and things are getting taken care of. |
| 17:56.05 | jhutchins_wk | !fr |
| 17:56.06 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. |
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| 18:13.52 | Fyr | guys, is there differencce between normal Debian and GNU/hurd for a user? |
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| 18:15.31 | ratrace | Fyr: yes, hurd is an experimental microkernel that's probably not going to work |
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| 18:15.41 | dvs | Fyr, "normal Debian"? Do you mean linux vs. HURD? |
| 18:15.48 | Fyr | yes |
| 18:15.58 | Fyr | I'm a simple user, I use bash, Deluge etc. |
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| 18:16.27 | Fyr | will it be different if I install Debian GNU/Hurd? |
| 18:17.15 | dvs | Fyr, I think HURD is still experimental. It doesn't support near as many devices as the linux kernel. |
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| 18:17.56 | Fyr | ok |
| 18:18.21 | jhutchins_wk | !debian users guide |
| 18:18.22 | dpkg | If you are looking for manuals, guides and procedures focusing on Debian - from a user perspective, the administrator's view and others - see http://www.debian.org/doc/ . Also ask me about <reference> and <grounding>. |
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| 18:25.20 | jken_ | Hello, what is the difference between watchdog and wd_keepalive? |
| 18:25.57 | jken_ | I have an issue with my system, where it hangs in early boot. I am hoping I can leverage the hardware watchdog to recover from that situation but can't make sense of which one of those daemons is actually updating the hardwasre |
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| 18:28.49 | jken_ | Also is it possible for the watchdog device to be "started" by default so if nothing ever writes to it the system reboots |
| 18:31.37 | jken_ | Something similar to CONFIG_WATCHDOG_NOWAYOUT but without requiring it be started by a userspace daemon? |
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| 18:39.28 | jhutchins_wk | jken: you're assuming that the watchdog will start before whatever is causing it to hang, and will still be running when it hangs. |
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| 18:39.51 | jken | Yes, that is my assumption |
| 18:40.10 | jken | Basically, I want to start the watchdog when the hardware itself receives power |
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| 18:42.37 | jhutchins_wk | jken: I don't have specific knowledge, but I don't think it works that way. |
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| 18:50.34 | EdePopede | how can i find out which partition belongs to which mount point without looking around endlessly? fdisk/gdisk give me the old partition names i don't use, i have to look which uuid it is, then check fstab for its mountpoint. that's all but a relaxed task. |
| 18:51.27 | greycat | df |
| 18:52.22 | dvs | lsblk |
| 18:54.36 | jken | jhutchins_wk, I am wondering if it might be possible to compile my kernel with a custom module that calls iTCO_wdt_start from the iTCO_wdt module.. |
| 18:54.42 | jken | before userpsace |
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| 18:55.08 | EdePopede | both are nice to see what is actually mounted, but none of them tells me where the not mounted disk would be mounted. and i don't want to TIAS, i need them in order and i don't want everything mounted all the time, especially i may decide to remove the external disk |
| 18:55.42 | EdePopede | so what mountpoint will be used for sda1 and sdd1? |
| 18:56.17 | humbabl | that depends what iis going to mount it |
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| 18:56.31 | EdePopede | i don't even know which of them is the external one |
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| 18:57.02 | greycat | your question doesn't make much sense. if the disk isn't already mounted, what makes you think something *would* mount it in some hypothetical future? |
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| 18:58.07 | EdePopede | fdisk -l gives me the only hint a can even get, the Disk ID. but that's something i REALLY can't remember |
| 18:58.29 | EdePopede | that's what the mount command is for? |
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| 19:00.20 | EdePopede | the first thing i get rid of in xfce are the hoards of disk icons on the desktop, most of them are named the same, thus useless. same for that idiotic sidebar in open/save dialogs (hello, redmond!) |
| 19:00.39 | greycat | The only speculation I can make about your question is "I have a bunch of external disks with partitions with UUIDs but no labels. I have an fstab with all of these UUIDs in it, marked noauto, so they don't prevent booting." |
| 19:00.49 | greycat | If that is the situation, then I suggest you start using labels. |
| 19:00.51 | EdePopede | but without some extra code it seems i can't get more info in the shell, unless i do a lot of typing |
| 19:01.25 | EdePopede | yep, the speculation is correct |
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| 19:02.48 | EdePopede | and i really have no clue how to name partitions. all i could think of is doing it the roman way, numbering them. but they already have numbers, so i don't win anything. |
| 19:03.10 | greycat | You use labels that describe their purpose, to you. |
| 19:03.24 | EdePopede | atm they're all rather unsorted data dumps |
| 19:03.28 | Eightynine | greycat Why does Debian have problems with flatpak? |
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| 19:04.54 | EdePopede | and i don't even find my files half of the time because i can't remember how i named the one where the information i really need right now is located. |
| 19:05.19 | greycat | sounds more like a you-problem than a debian-problem |
| 19:05.32 | jhutchins_wk | EdePopede: You need a hierarchy of folders that makes sense to you so you can find things. |
| 19:05.42 | jhutchins_wk | EdePopede: There are also various ways to find a file. |
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| 19:05.46 | EdePopede | i'm good with descriptions, but i fail completely with namings |
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| 19:05.52 | jhutchins_wk | EdePopede: You may need to keep notes. |
| 19:06.27 | EdePopede | jhutchins: half of the time i'm hunting for something hidden somewhere in my notes |
| 19:06.33 | Stx | You may need a secretary. :-) |
| 19:06.40 | EdePopede | indeed |
| 19:07.06 | EdePopede | where's this "AI" they're promising us for 20 years now? |
| 19:07.21 | EdePopede | anyway, labels don't really work for me |
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| 19:08.12 | Veneziano78 | Un saluto a tutti |
| 19:08.16 | EdePopede | labels as in "e2label". those sticky ones *may* be a way |
| 19:09.25 | Veneziano78 | avrei bisogno di un aiutino se possibile |
| 19:09.43 | EdePopede | does the Disk Identifier change? or was it the same before i created the first partition on it? |
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| 19:09.55 | EdePopede | !it |
| 19:09.55 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:10.12 | Veneziano78 | grazie |
| 19:10.35 | EdePopede | eh... ciao :D |
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| 19:14.27 | Veneziano78 | non mi risponde nessuno |
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| 19:14.41 | Veneziano78 | nel canale indicato |
| 19:14.56 | Veneziano78 | =L ;( |
| 19:15.02 | greycat | We will not magically learn Italian in the next minute. |
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| 19:15.11 | jhutchins_wk | We had a high-end lawyer who was in the habit of accidentally dragging a folder to some random place and loosing it. That was fun. |
| 19:16.02 | jhutchins_wk | EdePopede: You may have luck using "last modified date" to find recent files. |
| 19:17.33 | EdePopede | jhutchins_wk: actually i have mc sorted to mdate most of the time :) |
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| 19:18.14 | ratrace | Veneziano78: qualche aiutino |
| 19:18.49 | Veneziano78 | si magari |
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| 19:18.57 | Veneziano78 | XD |
| 19:20.15 | ratrace | Veneziano78: spiega, qual é il problema |
| 19:21.18 | EdePopede | but recent, well... often i'm wondering why firefox doesn't come up with suggestions from the past it should have in history. but then it seems that i didn't look for that page for a couple of month. that's just like needing a "recent files" list with hundreds of entries. i know, a "me" problem. and i see no tools or methods to work around it. |
| 19:21.24 | Veneziano78 | non capisco... perché mi è sparito la login e passwor dall interface web di OMV? |
| 19:21.49 | ratrace | Veneziano78: OMV? |
| 19:21.53 | Veneziano78 | questa sera ho modificato l'ip del nas da dhcp a statico |
| 19:21.59 | Veneziano78 | si |
| 19:22.06 | jhutchins_wk | EdePopede: Firefox has bugs in it's history routine that I reported back when it was still mosaic. |
| 19:22.24 | Veneziano78 | openmediavalut |
| 19:22.29 | ratrace | ah |
| 19:22.56 | Veneziano78 | praticamente quando apro l'interfaccia mi esce la pagina web crretta di OMV ma senza poter fare il login |
| 19:23.35 | Veneziano78 | cioè il riquadro dove autenticarsi è scomparso |
| 19:23.49 | Veneziano78 | ergo non posso più accedere al server |
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| 19:24.03 | Veneziano78 | nn capisc... |
| 19:24.06 | ratrace | sfortunamente, omv non e supportato qui, non sappiamo quali modifiche abbiano apportato a debian |
| 19:24.25 | Veneziano78 | capisco |
| 19:24.33 | Veneziano78 | quindi niente aiuto? |
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| 19:25.03 | ratrace | almeno da parte mia, non avrei conosciuto omv, scusi |
| 19:25.06 | EdePopede | jhutchins_wk: they changed the algorithm some years ago, took me month to find out. before this i kept it for like forever, and it worked pretty good. now it is limited to 3 month or something per default. and even these 3 month pass by like nothing. so checking for mdate would probably not help much, the file i "just" edited may be burried after some 500 others already :( |
| 19:25.31 | Veneziano78 | no no... grazi infinite per avermi risposto |
| 19:25.37 | Veneziano78 | figurati |
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| 19:26.53 | Veneziano78 | buona serata |
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| 20:28.40 | TwistedFate | nice https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/09/msg00001.html |
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| 20:41.27 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, let's put one graphical binary in charge of everything the system does. We'll call it "Windows". |
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| 20:44.48 | swift110 | sup folks |
| 20:44.55 | swift110 | creating a debian live usb now |
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| 20:45.38 | adamantium | Hi, does Debian 10 use gnome3 / wayland by default |
| 20:46.55 | swift110 | adamantium, im sure you can add it |
| 20:47.06 | jmcnaught | adamantium: if during the installer you select "Debian Desktop Environment" and do not select one of the DE options then you will get GNOME 3 and it uses Wayland by default, but you can still select Xorg at login. |
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| 20:47.48 | adamantium | ok thx |
| 20:47.51 | greycat | You can also choose to install with a desktop environment other than GNOME, or with no desktop environment at all. |
| 20:48.10 | greycat | In either of those cases, wayland is *not* used by default. |
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| 20:55.01 | iomintz | how can i make *.localhost resolve to ::1 ? |
| 20:55.30 | iomintz | i'd like to test my virtual hosts config (ec.localhost, cm.localhost, etc) without having to go through the public internet |
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| 21:04.30 | karlpinc` | iomintz: There's various ways, starting with editing /etc/hosts. |
| 21:06.51 | iomintz | karlpinc` how do i apply changes to etc/hosts? |
| 21:07.24 | karlpinc` | iomintz: The are immediately active. Use "getent hosts foo" to test. |
| 21:07.50 | iomintz | hmm can't use wildcards |
| 21:08.35 | swift110 | ok this laptop wont take 64 bit debian |
| 21:08.37 | swift110 | that stinks |
| 21:08.54 | karlpinc` | swift110: That does. How do you know? |
| 21:09.21 | iomintz | so getent hosts ec.localhost succeeds, but nslookup ec.localhost fails |
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| 21:09.26 | swift110 | z61m because the error message tells me so |
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| 21:10.04 | karlpinc` | just lost all backhistory and is faced with an empty screen |
| 21:10.53 | karlpinc` | iomintz: Yes. nslookup, dig, etc., do DNS lookups. DNS is only part of the resolver. |
| 21:11.12 | iomintz | oh ok |
| 21:11.18 | iomintz | it works with curl so nvm |
| 21:11.37 | karlpinc` | Everything but dns test tools go through the resolver. |
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| 21:14.11 | karlpinc` | iomintz: FYI. I believe that using "localhost" as a top-level domain breaks the standards. ("localnet" is also often used, and is also non-standard but less invasive.) |
| 21:14.21 | GenTooMan | so unless I am missing something in buster python3-qt4-dbus isn't present, python-qt4-dbus is. The version of hplip is old 3.18.12 the latest in march was 3.19.3 and current is 3.19.8. 3.18.12 doesn't detect printers correctly if they are multifunction and crashes with a python error suggestions? |
| 21:14.48 | iomintz | karlpinc` as far as i'm aware it is the default on arch and ubuntu |
| 21:14.54 | iomintz | so i figured it was OK to do |
| 21:15.39 | karlpinc` | iomintz: localhost itself is always 127.0.0.1 and ::1, but adding dots to the left feels like trouble. |
| 21:15.51 | karlpinc` | GenTooMan: Anything in backports? |
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| 21:16.16 | karlpinc` | ,v python3-qt4-dbus |
| 21:16.17 | judd | No package named 'python3-qt4-dbus' was found in amd64. |
| 21:16.31 | iomintz | karlpinc`: why? it's useful, for instance, for adding password manager entries for sites developed on localhost, and keeping cookies separate |
| 21:16.35 | GenTooMan | karlpinc` That I haven't checked ... |
| 21:16.52 | iomintz | it is also useful for web servers that serve different content depending on the Host header |
| 21:16.57 | GenTooMan | kallpinc` let me check hplip to see if they updated that. |
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| 21:18.29 | karlpinc` | GenTooMan: If it's not in backports (and I'm not sure if you're giving me package names or program names) then you can try self-backporting. https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian has suggestions for what to do when you want to install something newer, I think. |
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| 21:19.44 | karlpinc` | iomintz: Because it is a reserved name. (I'm pretty sure.) You'd have to read the RFC. You can do all that with some other locally created name that's not "localhost". |
| 21:20.49 | karlpinc` | ,v hplip |
| 21:20.50 | judd | Package: hplip on amd64 -- jessie: 3.14.6-1+deb8u1; stretch: 3.16.11+repack0-3; stretch-backports: 3.18.12+dfsg0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 3.18.12+dfsg0-2; bullseye: 3.19.8+dfsg0-1; sid: 3.19.8+dfsg0-3 |
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| 21:21.30 | karlpinc` | GenTooMan: So, see the ssb factoid. |
| 21:21.31 | karlpinc` | !ssb |
| 21:21.32 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 21:22.08 | karlpinc` | ,checkbackport hplip |
| 21:22.09 | judd | Backporting package hplip in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12). |
| 21:22.19 | karlpinc` | Humm. :-( |
| 21:22.47 | karlpinc` | GenTooMan: Also, check the bug tracking system. |
| 21:23.08 | iomintz | karlpinc`: but like, just localhost still resolves on my systems |
| 21:23.12 | iomintz | so why is it troublesome? |
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| 21:31.33 | GenTooMan | thanks karlpinc` I captured the failure in hplip running hp-setup. (in case bored https://pastebin.com/Wbf9GLEd) |
| 21:31.33 | apt | GenTooMan: de rien |
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| 21:39.01 | kreyren | Looking for bruteforce cli tool on debian |
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| 21:43.05 | humbabl | do what |
| 21:46.54 | kreyren | humbabl, eh? |
| 21:47.56 | humbabl | you've been here enough to know you need to explain yourself a bit more than that |
| 21:49.09 | kreyren | browsing old files and i locked rar archive that i don't remember password two excluding that it's 4 digits all numbers |
| 21:49.20 | kreyren | starting with 48 |
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| 21:50.22 | humbabl | ah |
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| 21:53.47 | ectospasm | kreyren: does your RAR tool take the password via standard input? You could do something like: for i in {0000..9999}; do echo $i; <rar_tool> <<< $i; done |
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| 21:54.16 | kreyren | i'm trying to use unrar it should accept it, trying |
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| 21:55.24 | ectospasm | You could make it more robust by throwing a $? test in there. If it exits with 0 then you've probably found your password. |
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| 21:57.18 | kreyren | yep got it and it has text file saying 'lol' followed by my signature |
| 21:57.32 | kreyren | lol.. thanks |
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| 22:04.24 | humbabl | woo handwritten cracking software |
| 22:06.00 | iwkse | hi, do you know where is possible to find a repo that still have squeeze? |
| 22:07.01 | dvs | !squeeze sources.list |
| 22:07.02 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main". Put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf and run «aptitude update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts> <squeeze-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 22:07.30 | iwkse | dvs: thanks :-) |
| 22:07.38 | dvs | np |
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| 22:40.31 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | I have a machine with a number of users that are supposed to be restricted. However on one of the restricted ones, let's say user1, if I know admin1's password, I can still mount things via udisks with user1. Why is that? |
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| 22:40.50 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | I setup pam.d to require "wheel" and only admin1 is in "sudoers". |
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| 22:44.11 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Is it some polkit default rule? |
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| 22:49.26 | somiaj | You aren't clear, this user knows admin1's password, so then that user can become admin1 and do things. |
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| 22:50.28 | Bird|otherbox | what am I supposed to do if a) sid is too new (so the "simple sid backport" is no good) and b) oldoldstable is too old (and no longer has a backports repo available for it). is it a sign I need to dist-upgrade the box in question? |
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| 22:52.23 | dvs | Bird|otherbox, if that box is stretch, security updates will run out next July so it's up to you. |
| 22:52.25 | karlpinc` | Bird|otherbox: Upgrade. Follow the instructions in the release notes. |
| 22:53.04 | Bird|otherbox | dvs: worse, jessie (or well, a LMDE build based on jessie, even) |
| 22:53.43 | dvs | Bird|otherbox, oh then upgrade. There are no more security updates for that. |
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| 22:54.02 | Bird|otherbox | yeah, I think this will drive me to upgrade then |
| 22:54.06 | karlpinc` | Bird|otherbox: While you're at it, upgrade twice. ;) (You can only upgrade from one major release to the next.) |
| 22:55.04 | karlpinc` | dvs: Well, there's long term support, which supports some packages with security updates. But I don't know how you check if your packages are supported. |
| 22:55.39 | dvs | karlpinc`, but that's only for 5 years, right? For jessie, it runs out next year. |
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| 23:19.22 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | somiaj: Except it shouldn't, because I disabled "su" |
| 23:19.28 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | somiaj: It also isn't in sudoers. |
| 23:19.35 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | It should be unable to do so despite information leaking. |
| 23:20.13 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | somiaj: Only admin1 is in "wheel" |
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| 23:24.57 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Of course this supposes users aren't locally accessing the server and that SSH is key-only. My scenario is "one of the users gets compromised, how do I prevent them from messing with everyone else?" |
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| 23:25.32 | warsoul | im doing a new installation on a new pc? can i backup all my settings and everthing from my old pc? |
| 23:25.36 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Quotas for disk & cpu shenanigans exist, but that doesn't help if they can just guess an admin's password. |
| 23:28.13 | swift110 | got debian 10 32 bit version live usb done |
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| 23:28.43 | humbot | nice, takes a while doesn't it |
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| 23:29.17 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Cheap flash-drives generally write pretty slowly. |
| 23:29.45 | humbot | building the iso is a lot like doing an install |
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| 23:52.33 | mishehu | is there some sort of a repo for legacy packages or something of that nature? I need to run some php scripts that will not work on php 7 (and I need ot run tests before I complete my refactoring for them to work on php 7). Is there an "official" repo that might have php5 for buster? I'm coming up a bit empty-handed with my google-fu. |
| 23:53.22 | mishehu | the issue is that the scripts were written to use the legacy mysql api, not the mysqli api nor the PDO api. I'm migrating them to PDO. |
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| 23:55.37 | humpled | seems to be still in jessie |
| 23:58.44 | mishehu | yeah we are currently using jessie in production. I'm labbing up for a pending update to buster. |
| 23:59.36 | mishehu | if there's no legacy package for php5 around, is the recommendation that I use the build for php5 from jessie and try to build that on buster? |