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00:09.10iuiututarun not apto theis get * no /not so ever/  /fofguet
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00:15.45annadaneiuiututa, please stop
00:15.47iuiututamy own is my bitch
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00:17.53iuiututabich take me 2 step fuck to my apartmente
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00:18.15iuiututau r so fuckwd
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00:18.17annadane!ops iuiututa
00:18.18dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: annadane complains about a problem (see above)
00:19.12EdePopedenot sure if the message even reached the recipient....
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00:20.00iuiututai almost lots my apart
00:20.02LtLEdePopede: it did, but supplying a reason helps.
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00:20.44iuiututafucku i in
00:21.14iuiututawith some eggs
00:21.23EdePopedeLtL: i meant the one before the !ops line. there's a break of 1.5 hours starting 3 hours ago. just compare the text before and after that period of silence. something changed then.
00:22.13annadanewell, anyway, i'll add to ignore list
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00:22.48LtLEdePopede: I see what you mean.
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00:24.11iuiututamy poket and keys is all the way
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00:25.16EdePopedeiuiututa: boa noite.
00:25.21iuiututapeople master pocket
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00:34.05iuiututafudeu no meeu
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00:43.32annadaneis there a way to tell generically if a computer is too new to be supported by debian stable?
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00:49.43SerajewelKSis there some tool in debian that will perform random-access reads from a block device for a specified amount of time?
00:50.20SerajewelKSi have a old-ish HDD and i'm running badblocks on it to make sure that it's okay.  periodically (every few minutes) it will click once or twice.  it could be damage but it could also just be regular HDD seek noise.  it's been so long that i've forgotten.
00:50.29SerajewelKSi'd like a way to generate a lot of seeks so i can compare the noises
00:51.17woshtySerajewelKS: And what is the specific amount of time about?
00:51.41SerajewelKSi mean "until SIGINT" would also be fine
00:54.18SerajewelKSmaybe bonnie++ would work well enough
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00:58.22woshtySerajewelKS: it has a part where it seeks, yes .. i was asking myself if something else would work better
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01:00.31woshtySerajewelKS: I remembered the name .. you could use fio, but it is complicated to set up
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01:51.30mynickinickinickhey
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01:55.37bitlanhi, does anyone repair raid on HP P822 ?
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03:09.41tsalHey, I'm trying to report a bug using bugreport and wondering if "causes system instability" qualifies as a critical bug that "causes serious data loss".
03:10.59tsalI'm inclined to say it does, but I'd like to have a second opinion
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03:20.45agrisHas Apache 2.2 always been so terrible at handling load?
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03:28.42jh001_tsal: forgive me, but you can note nothing more specific?
03:29.47tsaljh001_: sure: The short version is: When I read from a zfs volume with SIMD acceleration enabled it causes system instability.
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03:30.25tsalUnrelated programs segfault, FPU calculations return false results
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03:33.28annadanetsal, don't worry too much about bug report designations. mark it critical and if it isn't they'll reassign it
03:34.13annadanehang on, let me see if i can get a page
03:34.38annadanehttps://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities
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03:34.54annadaneyour bug sounds "critical" to me
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03:38.02tsalAlright, I wasn't sure at first. Because it wouldn't cause data loss directly, but there is a high potential of data loss when a system behaves that way.
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06:38.17MdlpeI do not understand. I use Debian 10 Xfce4. I want to change my desktop background. I tried to access to another folder where I have my background stored. I can go to the folder I want, but I can see the files, but I can't select any one. https://postimg.cc/cKPQLTwk
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06:46.57diogenes_Mdlpe, you just add the folder and the pics will appear in the settings window.
06:47.17diogenes_don't select a pic from the folder directly.
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06:49.00blackbartWhen using journalctl --follow, is there a way to get it so that the terminal doesn't jump to the bottom when I get new output when I am scrolled up reading previous output?
06:51.33Mdlpediogenes_: I don't see any option to add the folder on the window
06:52.29diogenes_blackbart, journalctl --follow | more or journalctl --follow | less
06:54.10jadaxhey, I'm using gcsf to mount google drive, this one: https://github.com/harababurel/gcsf
06:54.16jadaxdo you know how I could add it to fstab?
06:54.23jadaxI want auto mounting feature
06:54.25Mdlpediogenes_: ok I added the folder. But no image available
06:55.43diogenes_Mdlpe, for instance, i have a wallpappers folde in /opt, so here s how i add it, first you click here: https://i.imgur.com/4QG6TVf.png
06:55.53diogenes_then here: https://i.imgur.com/sjLhFI5.png
06:56.23diogenes_as you click open, it should appear in Fond D'ecran.
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06:57.04diogenes_jadax, try gnome-disk-utility
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07:00.10blackbart(sorry for asking again, I got disconnected) When using journalctl --follow, sometimes I scroll up to read output but my terminal jumps to the bottom if there is new output, is there a way to prevent that?
07:00.32diogenes_<diogenes_> blackbart, journalctl --follow | more or journalctl --follow | less
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07:01.23blackbartdiogenes_: oh cool, I thought piping to less wouldn't keep the output flowing
07:02.02blackbartthanks diogenes the dog
07:02.28diogenes_blackbart, you're welcome and how did you recognize me? lol
07:03.13blackbartoh, I know all your stories ;)
07:03.46diogenes_haha nice to hear that someone remembers.
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07:05.17Mdlpediogenes_: This what I done and do not works here. Anyway, I found a workaround but the wallpaper selection have a bug on my system. I got a big crash with Xfce two days ago. I need to make a new user to solve it. (no more right click on the mouse etc). How I can report a bug on Debian ?
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07:08.24diogenes_!bug
07:08.25dpkgBug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber .  aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too.  Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS.  See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>.  http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
07:08.44diogenes_Mdlpe, ^^
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07:24.46treeshateorcshey guys, has anybody installed Debian from a hard drive? I downloaded win32-loader but I also need firmware for my wifi card
07:24.56treeshateorcsI don't have a usb stick
07:25.20Mathisenuse your phone
07:25.56treeshateorcsI can't :( my phone is a USB type C one, and my laptop doesn't have a USB type C
07:26.52Mathisenok, an usb stick costs like 5€ not that hard to get. but anyway do you have any other linux installed ?
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07:27.58treeshateorcsyou don't know my situation.. no I don't, only windows 10
07:28.19treeshateorcsbtw I installed this windows from within an Arch installation last week
07:29.49Mathisenok, i never installed any linux dist from just windows booting from a hd. so not sure then. i was thinking the chroot way
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07:29.56Mathisensomeone else may know
07:30.00treeshateorcsokay, I think I've figured it out. I see a firmware folder in the root of my C:\ (after installing win32-loader), I will just put the firmware there and it should work, right?
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07:33.43treeshateorcsstrangely this image doesn't have firmware https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.1.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/
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07:51.35borrougagnouHi ! I have a problem, I looking for how to connect HDMI to my Debian 9 with XFCE4
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08:06.55anttoborrougagnou what's the problem?
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08:10.46borrougagnouI can't connect my computer to HDMI port antto
08:10.58borrougagnouxrandr say me "disconnected" to HDMI
08:12.52anttoso, you have a monitor with HDMI, and your computer has HDMI output?
08:13.23borrougagnouyes
08:13.40borrougagnoubut my HDMI isn't detected
08:14.11borrougagnouxrandr --listproviders say me only "provider 0"
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08:16.45borrougagnouxrandr say me "HDMI1 disconnected, HDMI2 disconnected" (I have only 1 HDMI port)
08:16.46anttohm, well, does the monitor have other inputs besides HDMI, like, VGA/DisplayPort/DVI ? it could be paying attention to one of those
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08:17.02borrougagnouyes, and My VGA port work perfectly
08:17.11anttookay
08:17.36anttoare the VGA and HDMI outputs on the computer part of the same video card?
08:18.35borrougagnouno
08:18.58anttookay, this might be a clue then
08:19.57borrougagnoumy VGA is on Intel UHD Graphic and my HDMI is on NVIDIA
08:20.25anttothe intel video is integrated into the motherboard?
08:20.38borrougagnouyes...
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08:21.30anttoi'm not fully sure if having both integrated and non-integrated video work together is possible
08:21.58anttoon most of my old machines, you gotta select one from BIOS, the other one is disabled
08:22.19borrougagnouit's not an old computer
08:22.33anttobut if both are "working" in your case, then the next question is whether you have sufficient drivers for the nvidia
08:22.51borrougagnouIDK
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08:25.44anttoborrougagnou there's some info on the debian websites (on the wiki and perhaps elsewhere) about nvidia
08:26.20anttothere are multiple driver options usually, a free driver with hard to spell name, and non-free drivers from nvidia
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08:27.18anttoif you only connect an HDMI monitor to that PC, and reboot it - do you see things on it? like, BIOS loading up, grub..?
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08:28.38anttoi'd also check what options there are in BIOS, just don't touch settings which you aren't fully sure about
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08:29.28borrougagnou:/
08:29.39anttoanother common thing is to websearch for "debian10 nvidia-XYZ" change the versions and models to match yours
08:29.52anttoand see what comes up
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08:30.41anttodamn, all the clever people are sleeping still
08:30.51anttoit's too saturday-ish today
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08:31.32borrougagnouyes
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08:31.49anttostick around, they'll wake up eventually
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08:33.55borrougagnouokay
08:34.16diogenes_borrougagnou, what's the issue?
08:34.54anttohe has integrated intel video with VGA that works, and he also has an nvidia with HDMI which "doesn't work"
08:35.18anttoi think he wants them to work at the same time for two screens
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08:35.59diogenes_nvidia or nouveau?
08:36.30anttohe doesn't know
08:36.59diogenes_lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3
08:37.56borrougagnouI use nouveau (by default)
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08:38.52borrougagnouVGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 630 (Mobile) [8086:3e9b] Kernel driver in use: i915
08:38.59diogenes_borrougagnou, take a look at this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRIME
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08:40.24anttoyeah, i haven't done anything like that.. o_O
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08:40.46anttoi recently bought a radeon r5 230, it has VGA/DVI/HDMI, i use it with DVI only, the integrated intel is disabled (it has VGA and DisplayPort)
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08:42.15borrougagnouI need to reboot so I try
08:42.36diogenes_antto, it's easy if you have bios option to pick which card to use, if you don't have it, becomes difficult.
08:43.08anttoi do, but i've assumed that on my (old) machines you can thus only use one video device
08:43.51anttoi'm debianing on a dell optiplex 760 smallformfactor
08:45.09anttoand the 1920x1200 monitor so far is big enough, i got another computer on the same desk with a 1280x1024 monitor, two keyboards, two mice, and a cat
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08:47.56diogenes_lol the cat is cool.
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08:49.23anttoshe sits in front of the keyboard, now recently she crashes on the mouse and her butt presses keys on the keyboard >:/
08:50.08anttoout of 39280823 places she could be in the house..
08:50.38diogenes_she is the boss.
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10:11.39uioHi, I want to use inconsolata with LaTeX. I installed fonts-inconsolata, but LaTeX is not detecting it. Do I have to do texlive-fonts-extra? There are a lot of things I don't want in there. https://packages.debian.org/fr/sid/texlive-fonts-extra How can I just get the Tex usable inconsolata package?
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10:19.19uioTo rephrase the question, how can I tell which package in the meta-package texlive-fonts-extra actually contains inconsolata.sty?
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10:22.41uioHow does fonts-inconsolata not contain inconsolata.sty?
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10:23.24nkuttler!search
10:23.24dpkgPlease search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>.  The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot).  <search dpkg> for factoids.  See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>.  See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>.
10:23.28nkuttler!apt-file
10:23.28dpkgapt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file).  You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>.  See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>.
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10:24.54uionkuttler, I already searched inconsolata on debian.org.
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10:27.32uio!pdo
10:27.32dpkghttp://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents.  Or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts.  Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/
10:27.40uioo
10:27.52uioOkay. I did that.
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10:33.16uioIs there no finer-grained view of a packages contents?
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10:35.53uioapt-file search is giving texlive-fonts-extra: /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/inconsolata/inconsolata.sty, but I want to know what sub-package in texlive-fonts-extra contains inconsolata.sty.
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10:59.43uioIs there actually *no* way to tell where inconsolata is in the 1G of texlive-fonts-extra??
10:59.53uioI'm astonished.
11:00.32rudi_suio: Sub-Package? It's a single debian package.
11:01.40rudi_sSo no, if you want to use the regular package you have to install it.
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11:01.51uiorudi_s, Ah. So there is just a mega package of 1G? No way to target the .sty?
11:02.54uioI guess the real question is 'how do I install one LaTeX package on Debian.
11:03.01uiorudi_s, Thanks for the insight.
11:03.03rudi_suio: Yes.
11:03.14rudi_sAnd you cannot if you want to use the regular Debian packages.
11:03.28rudi_sHowever, 1G is normally not an issue on modern systems.
11:03.34uioI wish Debian and LaTeX could get along.
11:03.48uiorudi_s, right... just seems like overkill for a font...
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11:05.38rudi_sWell ..
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12:11.34TwistedFatehi, do i need to have iucode-tool if i don't have an intel cpu?
12:11.41TwistedFateor anything intel, for that matter
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12:19.38jmcnaughtTwistedFate: I also do not have an Intel CPU but I leave it installed because who knows, one day I might want to transplant that drive to another computer.  Besides, you're going to save a couple of megabytes at most.
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12:20.03TwistedFatejmcnaught: i don't want intel's proprietary code on my system
12:20.23BCMMTwistedFate: iucode-tool is in contrib
12:20.41BCMMTwistedFate: it's not proprietary code; it just isn't very useful unless you're using it with proprietary code
12:20.58TwistedFateit also had intel-microcode installed, but i removed it
12:21.09BCMMsource here https://gitlab.com/iucode-tool/iucode-tool
12:21.29jmcnaughtDo you have amd64-microcode installed?
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12:22.19TwistedFatejmcnaught: yes
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12:24.56jmcnaughtWell just remember to install intel-microcode if you do ever move the drive to a computer with an Intel CPU.  Personally I find it easier to leave it installed than need to remember stuff like that.
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12:25.43TwistedFatedo i need iucode-tool if i don't use intel?
12:25.53TwistedFatedunno if it's also being used for amd microcode
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12:26.24jmcnaughtamd64-microcode would depend on it if that were the case
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12:39.37GuiltySpark343On a newly installed debian, my internet just stopped working. I disabled networking.service and trying to work it out with systemd-networkd, but nothing works.
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12:40.18GuiltySpark343I'd install network-manager, but since I don't have connectivity...
12:41.08mossylanewhat does 'ip addr show' say?
12:41.46mossylaneyou might have to configure the network manually somehow, but I'm not up to speed with systemd yet
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12:43.08GuiltySpark343Wait a minute, I replaced /etc/hosts with a version from a different distro
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12:43.44GuiltySpark343Can someone paste me their default /etc/hosts?
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12:44.35mossylanelooking at mine, I guess you can leave /etc/hosts empty
12:44.44mossylanemv hosts hosts.backup
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12:45.05mossylanemine has only two entries for localhost and localhost6
12:45.32GuiltySpark343Ok, I'll try
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12:47.22mossylanewhat does 'systemctl status network' say?
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12:48.30mossylaneI really should be less lazy learning about systemd, I don't even now how to show the logs
12:48.35humpledis that different from networking.service?
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12:49.00mossylaneit exists on my machine and says its for 'network.service - LSB: Bring up/down networking'
12:49.15mossylanemaybe: systemctl start network ?
12:50.44GuiltySpark343mossylane: sorry for not responding quickly, I'm trying multiple things
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12:51.04mossylanetake your time :) its weekend
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12:52.52GuiltySpark343mossylane: and systemctl status networking.service shows no errors
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12:53.42mossylanehmm
12:54.16GuiltySpark343I've installed debian for just 2 hours now and I'm starting to regret it :(
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12:55.40mossylaneafk visitors, sorry
12:56.59jmcnaughtGuiltySpark343: can you provide more detail about what you've tried?  Are you trying to make systemd-networkd work still, or are you using /etc/network/interfaces?
12:57.38GuiltySpark343jmcnaught: switched to /etc/network/interfaces + networking.services now
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12:58.27TwistedFateGuiltySpark343.. H-Halo?
12:58.46GuiltySpark343TwistedFate: yep
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12:59.06TwistedFateGuiltySpark343: i can't wait until it comes to Steam
12:59.37TwistedFateOne of my favorite games from my childhood
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13:00.15jmcnaughtGuiltySpark343: are you using DHCP?
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13:02.29jmcnaughtGuiltySpark343: you can find your interface name if you don't already know it with "ip a" command, then you can temporarily get a DHCP lease with "dhclient <interface>".
13:03.06GuiltySpark343jmcnaught: already tried that
13:03.34jmcnaughtGuiltySpark343: see I don't know all the stuff you tried which is why I asked…
13:03.47jmcnaughtwhat happens when you try that?
13:03.58jmcnaughtwhat other things did you change besides your /etc/hosts file?
13:04.11GuiltySpark343jmcnaught: says sending "DHCPDISCOVER on <> to 255.255.255.255"
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13:04.53jmcnaughtAnd did networking work at first? During the installer?
13:05.04GuiltySpark343jmcnaught: right now it's something similar to this https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/11844/etc-hosts-for-debian
13:05.10GuiltySpark343Yes, it did
13:06.40GuiltySpark343Trying some rescue mode stuff
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13:40.53r0fl--Hello. Is anyone else having issues running libreoffice on debian 10?
13:40.55]BFG[fuck remember 128 bit addresses, maybe robots not humans
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13:46.17r0fl--I am getting the error (typed, sorry for any typo): /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin: /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/libuno_sal.so.3: version 'libo_udk_6.1' not found (required by /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/libmergedlo.so)
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13:47.51BCMMr0fl--: how did you install libreoffice?
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13:48.19r0fl--BCMM, I did the netinstallation
13:48.38r0fl--This is debian 10 stable with the latest backport kernel
13:48.48BCMMr0fl--: i mean, you got libreoffice from debian's repos using apt, right?
13:48.54mtnmanhow can dpkg-reconfigure tzdata be run by a script?
13:48.55r0fl--BCMM, yeah
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13:49.09BCMMand "netinstallation" is just how you installed debian?
13:49.20r0fl--BCMM, yes
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13:49.56r0fl--It was installed during the installation
13:50.13r0fl--I tried purging and autoremoving but I am still getting the same error
13:50.52BCMMr0fl--: do you have a ~/.config/libreoffice/ directory?
13:51.08r0fl--yes
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13:51.38BCMMr0fl--: can you try deleting or moving that and see if it loads after that?
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13:52.18BCMMapparently it could be related to trying to load an extension or something
13:52.47r0fl--BCMM, ok, I just rm -rf'd the directory but it's still the same error
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13:56.03BCMMr0fl--: is everything up to date at the moment? (e.g. `apt update && apt full-upgrade`)
13:56.34r0fl--BCMM, yes
13:56.51BCMMr0fl--: hmm i'm mostly out of ideas.
13:57.03BCMMfound this on google but it doesn't really seem like that would be the relevant package https://www.reddit.com/r/libreoffice/comments/cii7c2/solved_libreoffice_failing_to_start/
13:57.03r0fl--Ok BCMM , thanks anyway :)
13:57.24diogenes_r0fl--, pastebin sources.list.
13:57.28BCMMresintalling uno-libs3, which actually owns the file, might be worthwhile
13:57.38r0fl--diogenes_, apt's?
13:57.49diogenes_yes
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13:59.13r0fl--diogenes_, https://pastebin.com/FXCULjdF
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14:00.29diogenes_maybe this is what causes the issue: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports main contrib non-free
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14:00.48diogenes_you got some libs from backports that broke something.
14:00.51r0fl--Yeah, I needed the latest kernel for amd graphics
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14:01.12diogenes_that's the only thing i can think of that could have cause the issue.
14:01.34diogenes_because from main repo, there is no issue with libreoffice.
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14:03.27r0fl--I think that the only packages I got from the backports were the kernel and some firmware packages
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14:06.18diogenes_another thing might be the net install, i bet you won't have any issues if you install from the live iso.
14:06.46r0fl--ok diogenes_, thanks. I am going to give it another try tomorrow
14:06.59BCMMr0fl--: it's easy enough to check what backports package you have installed https://wiki.debian.org/Backports#List_installed_backports
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14:07.13BCMMbut in any case backports really really should not ship packages that break stuff in main
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14:08.46r0fl--BCMM, it seems uno-libs3 is there
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14:09.26BCMMr0fl--: but other libreoffice stuff isn't?
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14:09.54r0fl--BCMM, https://pastebin.com/PRtCCfu0
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14:10.31BCMMr0fl--: hmm, that's quite a list of backports packages. any idea how that happened?
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14:12.01BCMMr0fl--: anyway, that's bound to be the problem - i'm sure it's expected that people won't install that from bpo unless they're also getting libreoffice itself from there. you should downgrade uno-libs3 to the stable version
14:12.26BCMMapt-get install uno-libs3/stable
14:12.52BCMMor `apt-get install uno-libs3/buster`, rather
14:13.58r0fl--BCMM, I had to build a driver, I'm not if it's related. Downgrading now
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14:18.34ghotiSo .. I'm trying to make a router. I found a tutorial that helped me build a script to set up everything I need in iptables, repeatably. It works, but I am certainly "doing it wrong" by running this script either from /etc/rc.local or from a @reboot schedule in cron. Where should I be setting up my firewall rules?
14:20.18BCMMghoti: you could use iptables-persistent
14:20.57BCMMor one of the several methods mentioned on https://wiki.debian.org/iptables
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14:21.36ghotiBCMM: again, I'm not sure how to configure that .. but if it means not storing my rules in a script, I'd be concerned that I can't use change control on it. (I like to keep configs in a vcs if I can.)
14:21.48ghotiI'll check that URL and perhaps ask more questions, thanks.
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14:23.51kunningdhello after flushing iptables and restoring from a file my ipv4 configuration starts with -P INPUT ACCEPT -P FORWARD ACCEPT -P OUTPUT DROP and my configuration goes after
14:24.13kunningddoes the -P override my configuration and if it does should I remove those rules?
14:24.46r0fl--BCMM, it works now, thank you!
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14:28.32ghotiBCMM: ok, looks ike iptables-persistent will do basically what I want. Is there a strong sense that this is the "right" way to handle this in debian? Will I be hassled by beardos if I stick with one of the ways I'm doing this now?
14:28.45BCMMi don't really know
14:29.02ghotiI do like having the rules stored in an actual *script*, so that I can add extra automation, rather than a static rule file.
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14:30.41ratraceghoti: just keep in mind that if you script it, instead of using a rules file for iptables-restore, it's not atomic
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14:31.08BCMMghoti: well, if the ifupdown hooks approach should work for that
14:31.48BCMMghoti: see the bit on the wiki where it suggests putting a trivial script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables? you could just put your whole script in there, to have it run any time the network starts
14:31.56BCMMassuming you're using ifupdown
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15:12.22ghotiBCMM: ya, looks like tying things into ifupdown makes sense. Thanks very much for the pointer.
15:12.35BCMMgood luck!
15:13.05ghotiThanks! Coming from a FreeBSD background, I'm just getting my feet wet with this type of configuration in debian.
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16:11.07nikodemHi I have a problem with audio through displayport with non-free nvidia drives on buster
16:11.21nikodemin pavu control all profiles appear as unplugged
16:12.15nikodembut in nvidia x server settings says that displayport audio is available for my monitor
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16:26.45SerajewelKSnikodem: it's possible that the hardware doesn't actually support it... i'm not sure though.  i just know there are some HDMI/DisplayPort cards that don't actually support audio
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16:45.23pigetai just install my debian
16:45.34pigetacant set up my wifi
16:45.37[sr]howdy, i got into a big problem, installed systemd, and forgot ctgroup support in kernel,
16:45.47pigetai can use only ethernet cable
16:46.02[sr]anyway it shoulnd't be allowed to be installed, ot at least check if kernel has support, rebooted and now don't have system
16:46.15pigetaalready follow the wiki i dont know where is my mistake
16:46.23[sr]how could i swap from systemd to sysv in offline? i have the partition mounted in another system
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18:05.03jelly!qotd0
18:05.03dpkg<rituraj> which disks have probs? sata? <directhex|work> rituraj, whatever's in my laptop, and i've heard people with i915 desktops failing installation <jim> then buy a controller put it in the pci slot and be done with it <directhex|work> jim, what a fucking useless waste of time and money for all concerned <directhex|work> jim, and handily, there are hundreds of pci disk controllers for laptops, aren't there
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18:06.21jimwhy does that one get slot 0?
18:06.43jelly0 is a random pick.
18:06.53jimoh ok
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18:07.05dpkg-<-Freenode-staff-member->- [Global Notice] Hi all, terribly sorry to bother you again but regardless of how much hairdye I go through, I can't get away from being blonde. Needless to say, my previous global resulted in inadvertedly ddosing the machine hosting the blog and website. Please try again later and for now, call me Homer and watch me Doh!
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20:02.27ndorfso this is interesting. apt-get update is running update-initramfs after a kernel update. after that, it runs the "sync" command, where it's been stuck for the past 11 hours
20:02.46ndorfi'm pretty sure this is because i have a long-running `dd` to another, unrelated disk at the same time
20:03.04ndorfso the question is, shouldn't the update-initramfs trigger sync only the /boot filesystem, not all of them?
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20:04.07treeshateorcsI can't find the kvmgt kernel module anywhere, in ANY package
20:04.57woshtyndorf: there might not be separate /boot file system
20:07.34ndorfwhy does that matter?
20:07.34ndorfthen it would sync the root filesystem
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20:08.05ndorfthe point is, there doesn't seem to be any reason to wait to sync unrelated filesystems, or in this case, not even a file system (just writing to the raw device)
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20:26.28MdlpeI do not understand why I have this result : find  /home/marco -name ".pdf" -print
20:26.30Mdlpefind: ‘/home/marco/.thunderbird/Pending Pings’: Permission non accordée
20:26.49Mdlpeand no result
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20:28.30mihiMdlpe, -name "*.pdf"
20:28.46mihiassuming you are not actually searching for a hidden file named ".pdf"
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20:29.51mihi(and if you don't want to see the permission denied errors, 2>/dev/null)
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20:30.20Mdlpemihi: yes I see. But the find stops because the folder .thunderbird I was th owner but the group was wrong
20:31.13mihiMdlpe, it did not stop, it just could not search inside that folder so it prints an error to stderr.
20:31.28mihiit does continue searching elsewhere
20:32.10Mdlpemihi: ok I understood
20:32.32MdlpeWhy the result begin by ./ and the name of the folder
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20:33.46mihithe result should begin with the path you gave to "find". So if you "find . -name ..." the results start with ., and if you do "find /home -name ...", the results start with /home
20:34.22Mdlpemihi: thanks for this information
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20:38.29mihiMdlpe, in case you want "the starting point under which is was found removed" (quoted from "man find"), you can use -printf "%P\n"
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20:39.08mihibut usually it is better to have it included, since otherwise xargs or other pipelines may give unexpected results
20:40.35kunningdthat permission error is from a file available only to a group with permissions Mdlpe
20:40.45kunningdyou can try running the same command with sudo
20:40.52kunningdsudo find etc.
20:41.06kunningdand you dont need the print in the end
20:41.29kunningd-name '*.pdf'
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21:31.42docsnugglesHello! Can someone give me a hint how to translate "iptables  -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -m string --algo bm --to 700 --string "FOOBAR" -j ACCEPT" into nftables syntax?
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