| 00:00.42 | tomreyn | anything you can do to reduce writes. no swap at all if possible. |
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| 00:01.40 | tomreyn | maybe an overlay file system backed by a ramdisk like on a live usb |
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| 00:02.30 | CombatVet | any checkinstall alternativees? |
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| 00:03.50 | brutser | tomreyn: basically the system will run debian minimal with openbox and qemu/kvm on top - the filesystem itself can be readonly? i only need writes for the viritualization, system got enough ram (16gb+) |
| 00:04.31 | brutser | tomreyn: i have a hard time making decisions what would be best confi |
| 00:04.33 | brutser | config* |
| 00:05.51 | tomreyn | well, the file system can be read-only if you have a wroitable overlay file system which is backed by ram. but that means loosing state as you power cycle, of course. |
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| 00:06.18 | tomreyn | (unless you copy state to disk by the end of the session) |
| 00:07.02 | brutser | tomreyn: state of the host system is not really that important, only the virtual machines matter, host will be updated only once a month and have no direct internet connection |
| 00:07.51 | brutser | tomreyn: i am just afraid of the sd card slow writes, i can install just without thinking and hope it will work of course, but i rather not :) |
| 00:08.13 | brutser | it's all relative of course, slow writes, it's still reasonable |
| 00:08.51 | tomreyn | why are you limited to an sd card on a system with 16 GB RAM? |
| 00:09.59 | brutser | tomreyn: space primarily 80% and a long story for the other 20% |
| 00:10.54 | tomreyn | m.2's are small, ssd's are'nt huge |
| 00:11.06 | tomreyn | that's if you meant physical dimensions |
| 00:11.27 | brutser | tomreyn: i know, just assume that i know alternatives and i would have not been here asking if there was an alternative for nwo |
| 00:12.18 | brutser | m.2 is not an option, on the board is only mini-pcie and usb, but usb's are occupied |
| 00:13.00 | brutser | and we can get next suggestions, but i've been there already... |
| 00:13.14 | brutser | sd card is the way i have to go (for now at least) |
| 00:13.33 | tomreyn | mini-pcie works fine for ssd modules |
| 00:13.38 | brutser | tomreyn: are you saying that because you really expect bad performance, or impossible performance? |
| 00:14.17 | brutser | tomreyn: board is not new, i doubt we will be able to boot from that |
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| 00:14.39 | tomreyn | then have the boot loader on the sd card and everything else on the module |
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| 00:18.21 | karlpinc | It really all depends on how "much" you're going to run. With 16G there's a whole lot that should fit in ram. So all you need to worry about is boot time. What are you running in the VM? |
| 00:19.44 | brutser | karlpinc: there will be several web services running, one admin panel, one vpn panel (that allow admin to control system from outside) - i say panel, you must read vm |
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| 00:20.08 | brutser | 6-8GB is maximum usage if everything is running full power so to say |
| 00:20.41 | karlpinc | brutser: Sounds like not much, unless you're using some awful framework to build the services etc. |
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| 00:21.49 | karlpinc | brutser: If you're worried about resource usage etc you could mock the whole thing up in a VM, although by the time you're done you might just be better off installing on the actual hardware. |
| 00:21.49 | tomreyn | idk virtualization on an sd card sounds not ideal. |
| 00:21.50 | brutser | karlpinc: it is not much really, but i got scared by the sd card and just like tomreyn suggested first other options, but i really don't want to go that route here, we be talking for hours :) just assume sd card is only option for now |
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| 00:22.36 | brutser | tomreyn: yea, but ideal and completely not workable are two different things of course |
| 00:22.40 | karlpinc | Then there's the "what sort of virtualization" question. A full vm or something like lxc? |
| 00:23.08 | tomreyn | if you do it all in ram and dont need to keep the VM's state i guess sdcard can be ok. |
| 00:23.34 | brutser | karlpinc: that's the problem somewhat, i need to install full qemu/kvm with virt-manager to control the vm's, person who will use got no cmdlin knowledge and need to be able to graphically control all |
| 00:23.38 | tomreyn | sdcard should work, just slow, and die soon. |
| 00:23.50 | brutser | openbox is the minimal i need for display |
| 00:24.45 | brutser | tomreyn: die soon, there will be backups obviously, but lifespan expectancy for a daily use? |
| 00:24.48 | karlpinc | brutser: I thought all the admin was through web pages? |
| 00:25.12 | brutser | karlpinc: for the webservices yes, for the vm control, no, that will be local |
| 00:25.20 | tomreyn | brutser: depends on write cycles, i don't know your workloads. |
| 00:25.43 | karlpinc | brutser: How local? Does the hardware have a monitor plugged in? |
| 00:26.09 | brutser | karlpinc: for vm control, yes |
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| 00:28.03 | brutser | tomreyn: yes, but i guess i can try to limit the writes by thinking about how to set this up, zram might be good then if using no swap? as the host os really has no reason to write much, i should limit that where possible |
| 00:28.17 | karlpinc | brutser: Well, I'm thinking that a GUI adds a lot of "stuff" to the package and if it _really_ matters you can put some effort into eliminating that. |
| 00:28.35 | karlpinc | brutser: You can talk about this forever but you won't know your real problems until you do it. |
| 00:29.13 | brutser | karlpinc: that's true, i guess i can setup some read/write scripts and monitor a full load for some weeks etc |
| 00:29.21 | karlpinc | brutser: Look at how many writes you can support and how many are required and then deal with the problem if it exists. |
| 00:29.36 | brutser | karlpinc: yes that makes sense |
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| 00:31.10 | brutser | karlpinc, tomreyn: thanks for the suggestions |
| 00:31.11 | karlpinc | brutser: You may find you're not writing to the sd card at all. Or only writing when the vm admin is running. If that only happens every 6 months, or every other day, and only causes X number of writes, then you've got something to address -- or not. |
| 00:31.30 | brutser | yes |
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| 00:33.57 | Hackarp | To whoever it is concerned, I am a sophomore CSE student from IIT Kanpur willing to work under debian. I am a newbie to programming and looking for some newcomer friendly bugs/ relevant document. Any kind of help would be appreciated |
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| 00:36.00 | karlpinc | Hackarp: I'm sure the bug tracking system is full of bugs that could use patches. Let's see if there's some offical documentation on helping out.... |
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| 00:37.15 | karlpinc | Hackarp: https://www.debian.org/devel/join/ |
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| 00:57.15 | hanasaki | how do you specify that only package-A be taken from testing or sid and the rest stay always come from stable? yes, I know that may cause some dependancy issues |
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| 01:09.29 | tomreyn | hanasaki: apt pinning. which is not always easy to get right, or easy to debug. |
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| 01:19.14 | nezZario | Okay |
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| 01:31.42 | hl521 | Hi, I'm having a small issue transferring a file between my debian server and my gentoo desktop. Could it be a ssh version mismatch? https://bpaste.net/show/WQSx |
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| 01:33.23 | aleksandrdvorkin | #samba |
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| 01:34.10 | whislock | hl521: Not likely. What is the actual issue you're encountering?> |
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| 01:34.46 | hl521 | Line 3, which is where I expect the transfer to show the verbose progress, just shows that gargled mess |
| 01:35.23 | whislock | Does it actually transfer the file? |
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| 01:37.35 | hl521 | whislock: negative, I've checked on the test file, as well as the tarball I was trying to transfer |
| 01:38.22 | whislock | hl521: The host looks like a Unifi network video recorder. |
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| 01:39.29 | hl521 | whislock: that's just the hostname, it's hosting both my unifi server and unifi nvr server, but it's a haswell based computer running debian |
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| 01:40.07 | whislock | Does it do that with any other destination system? |
| 01:41.02 | hl521 | all of my other destination systems are raspberry pi's on debian which shares the same mirrors, I don't think it would have the same issue. I'll try doing it though |
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| 01:41.32 | hl521 | yeah, that worked fine sending to my quassel core server |
| 01:41.56 | whislock | I'm not generally a "point at the other party" kind of guy, but the common denominator appears to be the Gentoo box. |
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| 01:43.31 | aleksandrdvorkin | hi guys |
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| 01:44.13 | hl521 | tracking, I'll continue at that irc |
| 01:45.47 | aleksandrdvorkin | i am trying to use samba to mount the directory from the server on my client and i can access the server in GUI with smb://192.168.1.8 but in terminal when i issue sudo mount -t cifs -o username=pi //192.168.1.8/pi /mnt/smbmount the directory is empty but it has files on the server |
| 01:45.59 | vvor | hl521: Whats the error? Did you -vvv the ssh conaction? |
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| 01:47.32 | vvor | hl521: Do the ciphers on bouth sides agree? |
| 01:47.51 | whislock | vvor: The connection wouldn't establish at all in that case. |
| 01:48.00 | hl521 | yeah, both sides agree, and I'm able to secure shell in just fine, the issue seems to be just with scp to gentoo |
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| 01:50.16 | vvor | hl521: Did yoy try scp gentoo to other box? |
| 01:50.32 | vvor | with -vvv |
| 01:51.43 | whislock | The issue doesn't appear to be with going FROM gentoo to anything else. It's going TO gentoo. |
| 01:51.54 | whislock | Going FROM gentoo doesn't even test the same code. scp vs sshd. |
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| 01:53.49 | hl521 | vvor: yes, I actually sent the file from my gentoo box to that computer just fine. Either that, or my old lenovo laptop also running gentoo forgot which |
| 01:53.59 | hl521 | but yes, the issue is going To gentoo |
| 01:55.35 | hl521 | sec I'm getting pastebinit installed |
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| 02:02.59 | vvor | hl521: Make sure the server daos not print any message on the connection. |
| 02:03.40 | vvor | hl521: Message of the day or whatever... |
| 02:04.27 | vvor | That may brake the scp connection. |
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| 02:04.48 | vvor | break ^ |
| 02:05.00 | hl521 | ohhhhh yeah it's probably neofetch |
| 02:05.08 | hl521 | in fact I'm sure of it, sec |
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| 02:06.01 | hl521 | vvor: that was the fix! you da dude |
| 02:06.26 | chalcedony | my friend put a new install of buster on his desktop, he's got a blinking cursor on a black screen. What can he do? |
| 02:07.27 | vvor | Drink Coffee? |
| 02:07.40 | joepublic | I bet he can play tennis |
| 02:07.40 | vvor | hl521: :) |
| 02:07.43 | chalcedony | he says he I tried Super Grub installed on a CD disk, it says that the disk failed/ |
| 02:08.02 | sponix | So, does this channel toss stones at MX Linux users ? |
| 02:08.21 | joepublic | the disk, the installed location's disk? or the super grub 2 disk? |
| 02:08.30 | joepublic | sure sponix, here's one --> stone |
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| 02:10.22 | dvs | !mxlinux |
| 02:10.22 | dpkg | Current MX Linux is based on Debian stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at https://mxlinux.org/. |
| 02:10.41 | chalcedony | joepublic, he said: I created. i D/L ed it , and themn installed it on CD disk |
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| 02:11.21 | chalcedony | (and yes, he's kind of good at answering tangentially, unfortunately) |
| 02:12.56 | sponix | dvs: Yeah, I'll safely ignore that and just hang out here anyway :P |
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| 02:14.49 | chalcedony | joepublic, he says he's got: Boot folder, System folder, boot.cat,efi.img |
| 02:14.50 | chalcedony | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:41.46 | k_sze | Is there a way to run `find` and follow symlinks, but restrict it to one file system? |
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| 02:45.49 | whislock | k_sze: You might be looking for -xdev. 'man find' for more info. |
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| 02:49.50 | k_sze | whislock, ah, thanks |
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| 05:56.50 | Mdlpe | hi, I tried to finish my Buster installation by installing the nvidia driver I got this : http://dpaste.com/0GZYSV4 and my sources-list here : http://dpaste.com/3A193A6 |
| 05:57.03 | Mdlpe | missing repos ? |
| 05:57.17 | annadane | !localized errors |
| 05:57.17 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
| 05:57.27 | annadane | it would make this easier to follow |
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| 05:57.46 | annadane | and when you're done that, |
| 05:57.48 | annadane | !bat |
| 05:57.48 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 06:02.34 | annadane | Mdlpe, add contrib to your sources.list along with main and non-free |
| 06:02.39 | annadane | you have main and non-free, not contrib |
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| 06:03.55 | annadane | sorry, i should have noticed that before |
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| 06:09.18 | Mdlpe | annadane: thanks |
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| 06:43.48 | no_gravity | Hello! Is having "tail -f somefile" using resources? If no changes are happening in the file I mean. |
| 06:44.32 | annadane | i don't know but it's probably an infinitesimally small amount |
| 06:45.14 | no_gravity | I mean: Does it poll constantly or does it use some event mechanism of the OS? |
| 06:45.49 | annadane | that, i don't know. i would guess you can ps aux | grep tail to see the process |
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| 06:48.46 | bibi | hallo |
| 06:48.53 | bibi | am i online |
| 06:48.54 | annadane | or uh, start up htop and look for tail |
| 06:48.56 | annadane | bibi, tes |
| 06:48.57 | annadane | yes* |
| 06:49.12 | bibi | nice thx |
| 06:49.13 | no_gravity | Yeah, but it wouldn't tell me much about resource usage. |
| 06:49.14 | annadane | i don't know enough about ps's output to know whether it shows you output usage |
| 06:49.18 | no_gravity | I am putting a "tail -f" for an error log in my docker image I use for development. |
| 06:49.21 | bibi | is not much going on here hmm |
| 06:49.23 | no_gravity | Pretty convenient to have a window that shows errors as they occur. |
| 06:49.29 | annadane | bibi, this is a debian support channel |
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| 06:49.40 | bibi | ... |
| 06:49.43 | bibi | lol |
| 06:49.46 | bibi | i am new |
| 06:49.48 | publio | i think tail -f functionality is possible using os signals |
| 06:49.49 | bibi | sorry |
| 06:50.19 | bibi | and all the pepol are here to ... what |
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| 06:50.43 | bibi | watch the helping chat? |
| 06:50.54 | annadane | yep |
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| 06:51.12 | annadane | maybe not actively watch; a lot of people just leave their IRC clients run in the background |
| 06:52.03 | bibi | ok cool i will look a bit around thank youy |
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| 06:54.20 | bibi | hi me again |
| 06:54.26 | bibi | i have a qquestion |
| 06:54.36 | bibi | can you teach me how to install a backdoor that i can open trouge a dinamic ip... is a msfvenom paylode bind_tcp the correct thing? |
| 06:54.55 | annadane | this isn't really a "how to hack people" channel |
| 06:55.01 | bibi | ... |
| 06:55.06 | bibi | itsa hacking my own pc |
| 06:55.13 | Jade_NL | no_gravity: It doesn't poll constantly (it seems). Run an _strace tail -f somefile_ to see its behavior. Not sure what actually triggers the tail command, might be a pipe of some sort (it needs to be triggered one way or another). |
| 06:55.27 | annadane | right, strace. i'm dumb, sorry |
| 06:55.46 | bibi | or is there someting can run and connect to my home pc |
| 06:56.22 | annadane | bibi, are you on debian or some other OS? if nobody answers you here (because it's late on the east coast) try ##linux |
| 06:56.34 | bibi | ok |
| 06:56.39 | bibi | thank you |
| 06:56.51 | bibi | i"m in thailand |
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| 06:57.28 | Jade_NL | takes a look at his watch and sees it is 08:57 in the am....... |
| 06:58.03 | no_gravity | Jade_NL: Nice! No activity unless I write to the file. |
| 06:58.08 | annadane | i normally wouldn't say "because it's late" but like, that's a really specific question |
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| 06:58.51 | Jade_NL | no_gravity: Yep/ You do have to wonder though how it is triggered :-) |
| 06:59.21 | no_gravity | Jade_NL: Some event mechanism provided by the file system I guess. |
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| 07:00.16 | no_gravity | When I try to run strace in a Docker container, I get: test_ptrace_get_syscall_info: PTRACE_TRACEME: Operation not permitted |
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| 07:08.01 | Jade_NL | no_gravity: no_gravity: The triggering is done by inotify (et al) which is run by tail, which monitors file system events and sets up file descriptors (man 7 inotify). Just so you know. |
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| 07:09.00 | Jade_NL | no_gravity: Not an expert on dockers, but I'm guessing they aren't run as regular user, probably root or a specificaly created user. You need to run tail as that user. |
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| 07:09.17 | annadane | Jade_NL, how'd you figure that? strace? |
| 07:09.30 | Jade_NL | annadane: Yep. |
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| 07:10.21 | treeshateorcs | what would be the most correct way to compile and install a single kernel module? |
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| 07:44.36 | karel_ | I want to install openjdk on a server |
| 07:44.47 | karel_ | since it is a server and not a desktop, I want to install openjdk-11-jre-headless |
| 07:45.02 | karel_ | However, even -headless has many dependencies that don't make any sense: |
| 07:45.04 | karel_ | libasound2 |
| 07:45.04 | karel_ | libcups2 |
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| 07:45.24 | karel_ | these, in turn bring even more ourageous dependencies of their own: |
| 07:45.25 | karel_ | libavahi-client3 |
| 07:45.41 | karel_ | why ? |
| 07:46.14 | annadane | a start would be --no-install-recommends |
| 07:46.22 | annadane | not sure how to properly answer you, though |
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| 07:46.39 | karel_ | annadane, I am using --no-install-recommends |
| 07:46.56 | annadane | yep, short of asking the maintainer, i'm not sure how to answer questions like that |
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| 07:51.13 | annadane | (which doesn't mean other people won't be able to either) |
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| 08:02.53 | BrainWork | hi, if i wanted to just run iptables, setting up a simple gateway device on something like this, running debian stable, would a 32gb solid state suffice for storage: https://protectli.com/product/fw2/ |
| 08:03.01 | BrainWork | or, would i find myself up against a wall trying to do things? |
| 08:03.21 | BrainWork | ive tried and struggled to run debian on machines with 32gb and less of storage before, but admittedly i was running a UI on them too. |
| 08:03.41 | BrainWork | in this case i cant imagine i'd need more than sshd, iptables, and some kind of simple web interface |
| 08:04.22 | BrainWork | im undecided as to wether to cheap out and go with a 32gb ssd module on it, or a 128gb. 128gb would give tons of wiggle room if i wanted to run other stuff on it later, such as vpn |
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| 08:07.21 | marianotnise | helo |
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| 08:07.27 | Carlos33b | p |
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| 08:32.55 | f8e3 | deb9 + luks install, how do i manually mount the / (debian--vg-root) from a livecd? i have installed cryptsetup, now whats the command for mounting the files system of that ssd? |
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| 08:34.19 | karlos39b | all |
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| 09:00.25 | solido | i recently switched from xfce to debian flashback, and enabled 'night light' mode from 19:00 to 06:00... but after suspending my laptop during that time and then waking it up again in the middle of the day, it is stuck in 'night light' mode even though it should be off now. disabling it doesn't do anything. any idea how to fix it? this is with debian 10.1 and gnome 3.30.1. |
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| 09:02.23 | solido | modifying the schedule doesn't help either, the screen is still orange. |
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| 09:03.00 | solido | s/debian flashback/gnome flashback/ |
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| 09:27.40 | jomofcw | Hello ! |
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| 09:29.03 | starscreamer | I'm on Debian 10 (Buster) and I need Apache2 and MongoDB however Apache exists in libcurl4 and Mongo libcurl3. When I install either it removes the other. Any ideas how I can install both Apache2 and MongoDB and have them coexist? |
| 09:29.06 | jomofcw | I've got a right access problem... here you'll find the context : https://gist.github.com/jomofcw/0bfaa93124740434175d68926ac8be7e . I don't get why userA can edit its file "general.inc.php" when loged in as userA, but userB can'T edit its file "general.inc.php" when loged in as userB... it seems to be the same right for each one... nop ? |
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| 09:38.05 | ratrace | jomofcw: is there an ACL in effect? maybe the file has +i attribute on itself (check with lsattr)? |
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| 09:38.54 | ratrace | starscreamer: there is no mongodb on buster. if you're using a third party repo, you'll have to ask them. |
| 09:41.36 | starscreamer | I found a site that said to use the mongo install for Ubuntu 18.04 so gonna try that |
| 09:41.56 | ratrace | starscreamer: don't do that. you'll just break everything |
| 09:42.03 | starscreamer | ah |
| 09:42.10 | ratrace | starscreamer: you can, however, install an ubuntu chroot, or LXD, or some other form of container if you want |
| 09:42.53 | starscreamer | I'll look into that |
| 09:42.56 | starscreamer | thanks |
| 09:43.24 | ratrace | starscreamer: there are also some mongodb snaps, and snapd is available on debian if that is a poison of your choice |
| 09:43.41 | starscreamer | do you know of any guides to do it that way? |
| 09:44.04 | ratrace | apt install snapd && snap install mongo30 |
| 09:44.35 | ratrace | HOWEVER... check out this and decide whether you trust whoever packaged the snap https://snapcraft.io/mongo30 and also they provide other versions |
| 09:44.58 | starscreamer | I was on the site but I've been using Mongo4 |
| 09:45.09 | starscreamer | and there isn't a snapin for 4 |
| 09:46.07 | ratrace | then maybe an ubuntu LXD base image + ubuntu's mongodb would work for you |
| 09:46.19 | starscreamer | cool I'll look into that |
| 09:46.26 | starscreamer | are there overheads using LXD? |
| 09:46.42 | starscreamer | I considered docker but was concerned about overheads as I don't normally use containers |
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| 09:46.56 | starscreamer | and I'm using Mongo as I rely on fast DB access |
| 09:47.38 | ratrace | only in extra disk space... but wait... looks like debian doesn't package it any more? |
| 09:47.44 | jomofcw | ratrace hello ! check it ! |
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| 09:47.49 | jomofcw | *I check it |
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| 09:48.50 | ratrace | starscreamer: yeah looks like lxc only is packaged.. well... if you're up for some nonsense, you can use lxd snap :) |
| 09:48.56 | jomofcw | ratrace they have exactly the same attr :/. And no ACL here. |
| 09:49.34 | ratrace | jomofcw: well then are you sure you don't have permission to edit it? How are you trying to do that? |
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| 09:50.44 | jomofcw | ratrace using a FTP/SFTP connection (try both). I've got the same connection config for userA and it works well, but for userB it reply an error "upload fail". |
| 09:51.53 | ratrace | jomofcw: that doesn't say anything. can you actually edit the file over ssh? with nano or some other editor? can you move, rename, delete the file? |
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| 09:53.25 | jomofcw | ratrace I give it a try |
| 09:55.05 | jomofcw | OK it works using nano :/. |
| 09:55.16 | jomofcw | So its FTP/SFTP relative, not right access relative. |
| 09:55.21 | jomofcw | Thanks for the tips. |
| 09:55.34 | humpled | write ;) |
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| 09:55.36 | jomofcw | I may have some log about it I guess... |
| 09:55.50 | jomofcw | humpled haha yea xD confusing :). |
| 09:56.07 | humpled | english is silly |
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| 09:57.26 | ratrace | humpled: oh poppycock, you old thing. |
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| 09:58.47 | humpled | heheh |
| 09:59.19 | jomofcw | Arf I just have a "fail upload" in log :/... |
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| 09:59.38 | ratrace | that sucks. |
| 09:59.54 | jomofcw | Yea I agree :/... |
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| 10:03.55 | jomofcw | Ok, I've got a duplicate file problem (with symlink :s |
| 10:04.47 | snooky | moin |
| 10:05.15 | jomofcw | My bad, it's just my symlink which is wrong :s sorry for you time :s |
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| 11:10.10 | gidna | Hello |
| 11:10.23 | gidna | Where can I find the debian 10.1 with Xfce only? |
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| 11:12.05 | zothix | gidna, https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce |
| 11:13.00 | gidna | it should be this: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-10.1.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 11:14.50 | yokowka | can somesoul help me fix system mistakes? |
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| 11:17.25 | apollo13 | gidna: well that link works for me |
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| 11:37.41 | karlpinc | !tell yokowka about ask |
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| 11:38.51 | yokowka | karlpinc, https://pastebin.com/H8qgAq32 |
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| 11:41.31 | karlpinc | yokowka: I don't see a question there. And, fyi, a lot of people won't look at pastebin.com because of ads, etc. |
| 11:41.37 | karlpinc | !tell yokowka about paste |
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| 11:48.31 | yokowka | karlpinc, no meter |
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| 11:48.43 | gidna | Hello |
| 11:49.19 | gidna | I've installed 10.1 with xfce through netinstall , but I can log with the desktop environment |
| 11:49.44 | gidna | it seems that there is no X, installed what else should I install? |
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| 11:52.15 | gidna | *I can't... |
| 11:53.59 | gidna | why isn't it installed by default?? |
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| 11:56.58 | humpled | you're logged in with your password in a virtual terminal? |
| 11:58.05 | gidna | yes |
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| 12:00.05 | humpled | did you install the xfce-desktop task? |
| 12:00.38 | gidna | humpled, I selected xfce during installation |
| 12:01.41 | humpled | what does systemctl status lightdm say? |
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| 12:02.38 | humpled | i mean, did you want a desktop manager? is startx installed? |
| 12:03.51 | gidna | humpled, it says Active (running) |
| 12:03.59 | gidna | but startx doesn't do anything... |
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| 12:05.04 | gidna | during the installation I've installed only what was proposed to me.. namenly xfce and basic applications. |
| 12:05.41 | gidna | have I to install startx manually? |
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| 12:08.25 | gidna | humpled, ... |
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| 12:21.53 | gidna | ok there is a bug in netinstal... it is better to remove it |
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| 12:31.08 | abrotman | that's vague .. but okay |
| 12:32.35 | pingfloyd | it's not a bug |
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| 12:46.08 | bern | hi, hoping this is the place to ask an "apt" question. If I run "apt clean", why does "apt upgrade" want to upgrade 209 packages and install 96 more? Is there a deeper clean than "apt clean"? |
| 12:47.03 | ratrace | bern: what do you think apt clean does? |
| 12:47.39 | bern | I thought it might be like "yum clean" in RH land |
| 12:48.34 | ratrace | I don't know what that does |
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| 12:49.39 | bern | that removes the yum cache (which I thought was like apt) such that a subsequent "yum upgrade" would re-populate it with freshly-downloaded metadata from the mirrors. |
| 12:50.05 | bern | The reason I ask is "apt list --upgradable" is suggesting upgrading a load of packages to "testing" on a box I'd like to keep stable |
| 12:51.00 | bern | "egrep -r 'testing' /etc/apt" has no output for me, but the state appears to be stored somewhere |
| 12:51.31 | bern | how can I reset the state so that "apt list --upgradable" only lists stable upgrades? |
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| 12:58.27 | free_speech | bern, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list , and remove (or comment) any references to testing, sudo apt update |
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| 12:59.21 | bern | free_speech: thanks, my grep I think show I'd done that (looking in sources.list.d too) |
| 12:59.35 | yuriii | Hi! |
| 12:59.36 | yuriii | What part of a *.deb package determines whether the included service starts? |
| 12:59.55 | yuriii | postinst doesn't seem to do it |
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| 13:00.03 | yuriii | I'm confused! |
| 13:00.43 | yuriii | I mean starts upon installation. |
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| 13:01.13 | estrom | Hey, I am trying to load my own kernel module (which I can build and load on another PC), but on this Debian PC I get `could not insert module NAME: Invalid module format`, and dmesg says `x86/modules: Skipping invalid relocation target, existing value is nonzero for type1, loc ADDR, val ADDR`. I have done some googling and I can't seem to figure in out. Secureboot is disabled as I am running legacy boot. |
| 13:01.32 | estrom | So my question is, what does this _really_ mean? |
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| 13:08.01 | free_speech | and iirc, apt clean removes the *.deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ... |
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| 13:09.35 | bern | free_speech: yes. So where has my system remembered stuff about "testining"? It's a bit baffling, and my reading of man pages and google hasn't yielded anything enlightening :-| |
| 13:09.45 | bern | testing, sorry |
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| 13:15.39 | bern | free_speech, ratrace: looks like the error is in the raspbian and frr repositories, if I point the sources.list.d files at "buster" it appears to offer me "testing" packages :( |
| 13:17.23 | bern | and if I point them at "stable" it doesn't work at all |
| 13:17.48 | free_speech | my raspberry is currently not even in use, so I'm not able to reproduce it, due to a missing running pi ... but let me ask this tho' : which raspbian (stable) release are you running ? |
| 13:18.29 | bern | I think I installed stretch and dist-upgraded to buster |
| 13:19.34 | bern | under stretch I built my own kernels as nftables wasn't included in stock raspbian; I think that's no longer a problem in buster |
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| 13:29.11 | yuriii | Oh. I get it. It's the init file. |
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| 13:48.33 | dob1 | hi I am trying to mv a file I get: mv: cannot stat 'test_internet.sh': Permission denied |
| 13:49.11 | dob1 | I got it, I am using sudo mv file destination but it is in a encfs mount and I can't read it with root I think |
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| 13:50.23 | dob1 | it was this |
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| 13:52.42 | free_speech | why shouldn't root be able to read files, no matter if they're in an encfs or not? |
| 13:52.48 | free_speech | I don't really get the point of this ... |
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| 13:52.57 | nb-ben | hi, I'd like to mount /run as tmpfs for my chroot environment, so that contents of it are not persisted. What would be the correct way to mount it? Currently I am mounting it with nosuid,nodev,size=64m,mode=0755 however some scripts break because directories are created with 700 by default. |
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| 13:58.17 | nb-ben | nvm, looks like this has to do with umask, nothing to do with how I'm mounting the tmpfs |
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| 13:59.04 | dob1 | free_speech, it can't |
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| 13:59.37 | dob1 | free_speech, you have to mount the encfs partion with allow_others option (or similar, I don't remember). Don't ask me the detail but it's this |
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| 14:01.42 | nb-ben | free_speech: if root was strong enough to break the encryption then the encryption would have been obsolete, and it would not be worth using in the first place |
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| 14:03.18 | gidna | Hello |
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| 14:03.41 | gidna | I've installed debian + xfce through netinstall and I canno startxfce.. |
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| 14:06.45 | gidna | Have I to reinstall everything? |
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| 14:11.03 | horribleprogram | Okay so a real-life example sparked my interest in formatting storage devices, partitions, etc |
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| 14:11.32 | horribleprogram | basically, I had a USB, I formatted it to a specific OSX type thingy, put a movie on it, gave it to my dad, and he plugged it into his smart TV, and couldn't access the movie |
| 14:12.04 | horribleprogram | I realized it was probably a FAT32 filesystem I needed to put on it |
| 14:12.46 | BCMM | a full length film can easily exceed the fat32 file size limit - hope the TV supports exfat! |
| 14:12.56 | horribleprogram | See that was the problem |
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| 14:13.29 | horribleprogram | when I looked at the USB through the disk utility program on my macOS, it showed like less than a GB of available storage |
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| 14:13.34 | horribleprogram | it's a 64GB USB |
| 14:13.50 | horribleprogram | so this https://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/index.html is a good read? |
| 14:14.01 | horribleprogram | for learning partitions, formatting, fdisk, all that? |
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| 14:15.43 | horribleprogram | I just don't understand why all these different filesystems exist.... you have data on a storage device, and some inodes that hold meta information like where the file is on the storage device... it seems like that's pretty intuitive |
| 14:16.22 | Habbie | the rude response is that it doesn't matter why they all exist; we just gotta deal with it :> |
| 14:16.38 | e | they're not simple in practice. and not all of them even have inodes |
| 14:16.48 | qman__ | because no one filesystem is best for all use cases, and we have a long history that brought us to where we are today |
| 14:17.33 | horribleprogram | sure, then we have partitions |
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| 14:17.41 | horribleprogram | which make even less sense |
| 14:17.47 | qman__ | just as we don't all drive the same model cars, or eat the same food |
| 14:18.29 | BCMM | horribleprogram: well, which filesystems do you want to get rid of, basically? |
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| 14:19.06 | gidna | pleaes |
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| 14:19.24 | horribleprogram | BCMM: it's not that, lsblk shows sdb, sdb is divided into sdb1 and sdb2, sdb1 is 200M, sdb2 is 59.2GB |
| 14:19.36 | gidna | please report that netinstall of debian 10.1 is unable to install xfce correctly |
| 14:19.50 | BCMM | horribleprogram: oh, you have a bunch of different filesystems on your single USB device? |
| 14:19.56 | BCMM | did the OS X disk utility do taht? |
| 14:20.27 | BCMM | i thought you meant "why do different filesystem formats exist?" |
| 14:20.28 | qman__ | maybe, could also have come that way from the manufacturer |
| 14:20.34 | qman__ | some of them do stuff like that to include encryption software |
| 14:20.37 | horribleprogram | BCMM: it used to be a bootable USB that had Debian 10 on it |
| 14:20.58 | horribleprogram | I didn't need that anymore, I reformatted it with mkfs.vfat or some other similar command |
| 14:20.59 | BCMM | horribleprogram: ah, right. if you just want to use it as a normal USB device, you probably want to repartition it |
| 14:21.09 | horribleprogram | BCMM: yes, any good articles on this sort of thing |
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| 14:21.30 | BCMM | it's very likely that the TV simply ignores everything except the first partition |
| 14:21.49 | qman__ | you will have to look up documentation for the tool you want to use |
| 14:21.51 | horribleprogram | BCMM: that makes sense, the most ubiquitous would be ext4? |
| 14:21.57 | qman__ | the options number in the hundreds |
| 14:22.14 | BCMM | horribleprogram: unfortunately no. the only thing that's really ubiquitous is fat32 |
| 14:22.15 | qman__ | a TV is unlikely to work with anything other than fat32 or vfat |
| 14:22.17 | qman__ | or exfat |
| 14:22.22 | horribleprogram | AHH |
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| 14:22.30 | BCMM | horribleprogram: makes of embedded devices like TVs won't bother to support anything that Windows doesn't support |
| 14:22.45 | horribleprogram | BCMM: yeah that makes sense, market share and whatnot |
| 14:22.56 | BCMM | horribleprogram: and the only vaguely modern filesystems that Windows supports are proprietary |
| 14:23.09 | BCMM | so that leaves fat32, which is ancient and doesn't support files larger than 4GB |
| 14:23.16 | BCMM | ^makers of |
| 14:23.52 | horribleprogram | so generically speaking, you always have 2 partitions on a storage device, one is a partition table |
| 14:24.01 | qman__ | no |
| 14:24.15 | qman__ | the partition table exists in the first 512 bytes, along with a boot record if there is one |
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| 14:24.30 | BCMM | there's been a push recently for supporting exfat. it's still proprietary, but people are kind of forced to licence it because it's become the standard for large SD cards |
| 14:24.41 | BCMM | horribleprogram: the partition table exists *before* the partitions |
| 14:24.58 | qman__ | then there's GPT |
| 14:24.59 | horribleprogram | I see |
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| 14:25.29 | horribleprogram | again, I don't wanna harass you guys with 1000 questions |
| 14:25.40 | horribleprogram | What are some good resources on this topic |
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| 14:25.57 | BCMM | horribleprogram: note that devices with only one filesystem on usually still have a partition table. partition tables consisting of only one partition are not unusual |
| 14:26.49 | qman__ | but they also don't have to, you can create a filesystem right on the raw disk, however that won't always work in every device (such as a TV) |
| 14:27.20 | horribleprogram | I see |
| 14:27.48 | horribleprogram | I wanna show you guys the fdisk -l output for the USB |
| 14:27.50 | qman__ | the "normal" setup for removable disks is one big partition with a fat filesystem |
| 14:27.55 | clive- | Hi guys. I am a newbie and need some help (probably very basic). How do I se the path to /sbin/ as I want to run iptables from any directory? This is version duster. Thanks in advance |
| 14:28.01 | qman__ | because pretty much everything supports that |
| 14:28.02 | BCMM | yeah, there have definitely been USB sticks that come from the factory in both configurations: filesystem directly on the entire block device (e.g. /dev/sda) and partition table on the device and filesystem on the first and only partition (e.g. /dev/sda1) |
| 14:28.08 | BCMM | the latter is more widely supported |
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| 14:28.27 | BCMM | for support from media players and so on, best to avoid GPT too |
| 14:28.40 | horribleprogram | pastebin.com/jFbQEiH0 |
| 14:29.22 | horribleprogram | BCMM: yeah |
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| 14:29.38 | BCMM | horribleprogram: heh, that jump from 2 to 5 is another artefact from the distant past... |
| 14:30.04 | Habbie | unnecessary in this case |
| 14:30.07 | Habbie | but very common |
| 14:30.37 | horribleprogram | interesting |
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| 14:31.03 | BCMM | horribleprogram: you can technically only have four partitions per disk in an MBR partition table, but that's stupid, so every operating system from the past several decades supports the ability to put a second level of partitions inside your partition |
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| 14:31.19 | horribleprogram | BCMM: called logical partitions |
| 14:31.27 | horribleprogram | yeah I read that somewhere :P |
| 14:31.38 | BCMM | horribleprogram: yup |
| 14:32.09 | BCMM | anyway, that's why there's numbers missing. sda1 to sda4 are for primary partitions |
| 14:32.46 | horribleprogram | ahhhh |
| 14:33.08 | whislock | And if you're using logical partitions, one of your primary partitions is consumed by the logical partitions' container. |
| 14:33.29 | BCMM | that's explained a heck of a lot better than how i was going to explain it ^ |
| 14:34.09 | horribleprogram | so the logical partitions can only be as big as a single primary partition |
| 14:34.35 | whislock | Yes, though typically the extended partition (the container) is sized to consume the remainder of the disk after the primary partitions. |
| 14:35.00 | horribleprogram | makes sense |
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| 14:35.22 | freq | https://transfer.sh/kOjBb/Edward%20Snowden%20-%20Permanent%20Record.mp3 |
| 14:35.39 | whislock | !ops Spam. |
| 14:35.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: whislock complains about a problem (see above) |
| 14:35.47 | horribleprogram | freq: da hell is this |
| 14:35.54 | whislock | horribleprogram: Spam. Ignore it. |
| 14:36.04 | horribleprogram | too late it's downloading |
| 14:36.08 | freq | edward snowden's recent book |
| 14:36.15 | freq | audio |
| 14:36.29 | whislock | freq: And not relevant to this channel. |
| 14:36.40 | horribleprogram | freq: oh cool, ty but that's not really #debian subjects |
| 14:36.46 | freq | no, but it's a popular channel |
| 14:36.50 | freq | so i'm getting the word out there |
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| 14:37.09 | horribleprogram | freq: it's still spam |
| 14:37.20 | horribleprogram | actually that's the perfect definition of spam |
| 14:37.34 | BCMM | i hope the shell provider boots him before he gets them k-lined... |
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| 14:56.47 | gidna | hello |
| 14:57.15 | gidna | I've installed debian 10.1+ xfce both via netinstall and iso but xfce won't start... |
| 14:57.36 | dob1 | how can I view on journalctf only cron messages? |
| 14:57.44 | dob1 | (live view) |
| 14:57.47 | dob1 | -u cron? |
| 14:58.45 | whislock | dob1: You have the unit specifier right. If you want to view it live and follow its output, you can add -f. |
| 14:58.59 | dob1 | whislock, thanks I got it |
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| 15:00.12 | dvs | gidna, check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log and search for (EE) (or you can post your Xorg.0.log for everyone to check for you) |
| 15:00.21 | NetTerminalGene | do you guys prefer firefox esr? |
| 15:01.11 | gidna | dvs, I can only use virtual consoles, I cannot use xchat |
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| 15:02.12 | dvs | gidna, You can install pastebinit and post your Xorg.0.log that way. |
| 15:02.23 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: absolutely |
| 15:02.41 | NetTerminalGene | jelly, why? |
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| 15:03.42 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: having to suffer disruptive changes only once a year in a predictable time frame is better than having things changed around at any random time |
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| 15:04.33 | gidna | dvs, how Does it work? |
| 15:04.56 | dvs | !pastebinit |
| 15:04.57 | dpkg | A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg 2>&1 | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 15:06.58 | gidna | unable to locate package |
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| 15:07.51 | dvs | gidna, it's there: https://packages.debian.org/buster/pastebinit |
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| 15:09.35 | gidna | Maybe the install is corrupted |
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| 15:10.21 | NetTerminalGene | jelly, i though you were using firefox binary from mozilla |
| 15:10.31 | dvs | gidna, I'd ask you to post your /etc/apt/sources.list but you probably can't do that either. ;-) |
| 15:10.58 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: yes, but Firefox ESR from Mozilla |
| 15:11.15 | NetTerminalGene | jelly, why binary? |
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| 15:11.34 | jelly | too lazy to switch back to the packaged one |
| 15:11.44 | NetTerminalGene | -_- |
| 15:11.58 | jelly | there were better technical reasons a couple years back |
| 15:12.21 | jelly | I have both installed and start the other one sometimes. |
| 15:12.48 | jelly | but supposedly mozilla's 32bit build is slightly more optimized than debian's 32bit build |
| 15:13.09 | jelly | and my workstations are still 32bit debian userspace |
| 15:13.15 | NetTerminalGene | yeah. they are doing PGO |
| 15:15.14 | gidna | in /var/log/boot.log I see only OKs |
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| 15:16.08 | gidna | dvs, How can I add the source to repo? |
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| 15:17.01 | dvs | !buster sources.list |
| 15:17.01 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 15:18.09 | gidna | ok so how to add it? |
| 15:18.47 | dvs | gidna, by editing the /etc/apt/sources.list as indicated above. |
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| 15:19.53 | gidna | all 3 lines? |
| 15:19.58 | dvs | yes |
| 15:20.16 | dvs | and those should be the only three lines in the file |
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| 15:21.05 | gidna | I have security.debian.org |
| 15:21.50 | dvs | gidna, If that's the only line in the sources.list then that's the problem with not being able to install the new packages |
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| 15:22.40 | gidna | I remove that and add the other? |
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| 15:23.21 | dvs | gidna, Well, that is one of the lines described above. You have to add the other two lines. |
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| 15:29.21 | alpha-carinae | hi :) |
| 15:30.00 | gidna | have I tolog out after it? |
| 15:30.16 | dvs | no |
| 15:30.40 | alpha-carinae | really wish sid has newer versions of plasma |
| 15:30.46 | alpha-carinae | wonder why it's stale |
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| 15:34.17 | jelly | alpha-carinae: https://qt-kde-team.pages.debian.net/ |
| 15:34.52 | jelly | the team web pages haven't seen much love. Maybe they need help? |
| 15:35.39 | alpha-carinae | yeah looks like it jelly |
| 15:36.12 | alpha-carinae | it's painful to not be able to use newer versions :( |
| 15:37.04 | gidna | dvs, on /var/log/Xorg.0.log I see "Open /dev/dri/card0: NO such file or directory" |
| 15:37.05 | somiaj | alpha-carinae: sid questions are best done in #debian-next, and desktops just take a long time to get into debian (debian does a lot of work, often porting to arches the original devs don't work with) |
| 15:37.24 | somiaj | the more complicated the desktop (such as kde plasma) the longer the lag between upstream and avaiablity in debian sid |
| 15:37.36 | gidna | EE: unable to find a valid framebuffer device |
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| 15:37.55 | somiaj | gidna: sounds like the kms module for your card isn't correctly loaded. What video card do you have? |
| 15:38.07 | alpha-carinae | oh i see, well that makes sense |
| 15:38.33 | somiaj | alpha-carinae: note #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:38.50 | gidna | geeforce nvidia |
| 15:38.56 | alpha-carinae | yeah i know thanks somiaj :) |
| 15:38.58 | somiaj | gidna: which particular one? |
| 15:39.32 | somiaj | gidna: are you trying to use the open nouveau driver or the closed non-free blob from nvidia? |
| 15:39.35 | gidna | somiaj, GT220 |
| 15:39.35 | dvs | gidna, oops. I can't help with those. |
| 15:41.27 | gidna | somiaj, no I didn't |
| 15:41.39 | somiaj | that didn't answer the question I asked |
| 15:42.12 | gidna | somiaj, I've just installed debian and found myself in this mess.. |
| 15:42.35 | somiaj | well you can see if there is any issue with the nouveau module, 'lsmod | grep -i nouveau' that give you any output? Care to share it? |
| 15:42.56 | dvs | you can install pastebinit now. ;-) |
| 15:43.08 | gidna | dvs, it doesn't work either... |
| 15:43.30 | greycat | if you can't install pastebinit, there's always nc termbin.com 9999, or nc paste.wooledge.org 9999 |
| 15:43.38 | dvs | gidna, did you try to run: apt install pastebinit |
| 15:44.08 | gidna | somiaj, none |
| 15:44.22 | dvs | gidna, oh, you probably have to do an "apt update" first |
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| 15:45.11 | somiaj | hmm, wonder why the nouveau module isn't even trying to load. Any output from 'lsmod nouveau' then after you run that do dmesg (and read the last 10 or so lines for any errors/messages) |
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| 15:47.35 | gidna | I don't see anything |
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| 15:48.54 | somiaj | arg sorry |
| 15:49.02 | somiaj | my bad, I meant, run 'modprobe nouveau' |
| 15:49.12 | somiaj | 'lsmod | grep nouveau' checks if it is loaded, but I don't think it is |
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| 15:51.20 | jelly | alpha-carinae: should you wish to volunteer your time making it happen, #debian-kde is on OFTC as well! |
| 15:51.51 | gidna | no |
| 15:52.05 | jelly | gidna: GT220 might require 304.x or 340.x legacy version maybe? |
| 15:52.17 | jelly | gidna: what does "nvidia-detect" say whne you install and run it? |
| 15:52.37 | somiaj | in this case we are just trying to get the nouveau drivers loaded, or info about why it doesn't load. |
| 15:52.40 | jelly | oh, it might be also old enough to run under nouveau |
| 15:53.04 | jelly | never did run _stable_ in nouveau back when I'd used that card |
| 15:53.10 | somiaj | gidna: getting some actual output helps, like after you run 'modprobe nouveau' share with us any output, also share your dmesg output |
| 15:53.26 | jelly | but that was like jessie or stretch. |
| 15:54.09 | somiaj | card was released in 2010, would almost think something eariler than stretch |
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| 15:54.37 | somiaj | but be nice to know why the nouveau module isn't detecting/loading for that card, it should. |
| 15:55.13 | jelly | somiaj: I used that computer 2011-2018, so yes |
| 15:55.51 | gidna | isn't there a way to paste output through terminals?? |
| 15:56.06 | greycat | gidna: yourcommand 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 15:56.07 | SerajewelKS | gidna: in X, usually shift+insert will paste into a terminal |
| 15:56.14 | SerajewelKS | oh, pastebin |
| 15:56.23 | SerajewelKS | crawls back under his desk |
| 15:56.46 | alpha-carinae | jelly, wish i could contribute too :( |
| 15:56.47 | greycat | both guesses are valid; we'll have to wait for gidna to clarify which one is right |
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| 15:57.06 | gidna | termbin is a program I don't have.. |
| 15:57.17 | greycat | it's not a *program*. nc is the program. |
| 15:57.24 | greycat | termbin.com is a hostname |
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| 15:58.50 | areyouloco | hi i am looking for some gui for the systemd. i have read about systemd-manager but couldnt find it. running buster |
| 15:59.27 | gidna | https://termbin.com/yrgx |
| 15:59.33 | jelly | SerajewelKS: um, the context is kind of "X does not start" |
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| 16:00.02 | greycat | well, that was... long |
| 16:00.39 | SerajewelKS | restrains his inner Michael Scott |
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| 16:01.40 | greycat | Ah, scrolling back, somiaj did ask for gidna's dmesg. |
| 16:02.37 | gidna | with nc is better |
| 16:03.06 | somiaj | hmm, termbin.com isn't working for me so I can't see output, anyways I really have work to do, best of luck gidna |
| 16:03.43 | greycat | I wonder if I should increase the limit on mine from 32k to 64k. gidna's dmesg is just under 64k. |
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| 16:04.28 | jelly | greycat: 640K ought to be enough for everybody |
| 16:05.26 | jelly | hope you have quota enabled for your pastebin user! |
| 16:05.47 | gidna | see also https://termbin.com/ydj0 |
| 16:05.57 | greycat | Not at the operating system level. I enforce a total limit on the database file size, just in case. |
| 16:06.40 | greycat | that one's over 64k |
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| 16:08.41 | jelly | my pastes go to... uh, probably mysql :-\ |
| 16:09.10 | greycat | https://paste.wooledge.org/ is very new. I'm using sqlite3 to store them. |
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| 16:10.00 | jelly | doesn't sqlite dislike usage in parallel by multiple clients? |
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| 16:10.25 | greycat | if it becomes an issue, I'll address the issue |
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| 16:10.47 | jelly | tries to find a pzt.me fork that isn't dead |
| 16:10.47 | greycat | right now there's basically nobody using it, except people who keep trying to use it as an HTTP proxy or something |
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| 16:16.27 | jelly | [ 5.401] (II) [KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported. # suggests no real kernel-side driver was loaded |
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| 16:19.39 | jelly | gidna: can you pastebin the output of "lspci -nn" ? |
| 16:20.24 | jelly | I can't find ANY nvidia (pci vendor id 10de) in dmesg while kernel is enumerating pci stuff |
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| 16:20.58 | gidna | so Is it a matter of drivers? |
| 16:21.13 | jelly | gidna: can you pastebin the output of "lspci -nn" ? |
| 16:21.32 | jelly | gidna: because I can't find ANY nvidia (pci vendor id 10de) hardware in dmesg while kernel is enumerating pci stuff |
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| 16:22.20 | jelly | if the card is disabled or broken enough not to be visible on PCIe bus, it won't work in any OS |
| 16:22.43 | gidna | yes but I have to disconnet |
| 16:23.22 | gidna | do you need other commands? |
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| 16:26.46 | gidna | https://termbin.com/930w |
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| 16:29.55 | jelly | gidna: this does not look like a GT220... 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cedar [Radeon HD 5000/6000/7350/8350 Series] [1002:68f9] |
| 16:31.11 | gidna | How is it possible?? on the computer case that's written like that.. |
| 16:31.23 | jelly | gidna: enable non-free repos, install firmware-amd-graphics, reboot and see if that helps |
| 16:31.26 | gidna | it is debian which is not recognizing it.. |
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| 16:31.44 | jelly | gidna: also, maybe open the case and take a peek inside. |
| 16:31.51 | dvs | seconded |
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| 16:32.39 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 16:32.39 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 16:33.09 | jelly | I would trust lspci output more than I'd trust a sticker on the box. |
| 16:33.52 | jelly | good thing is that one has a better chance of working _stable_ with the free driver, just needs firmware |
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| 16:34.33 | gidna | so there is no package. named firmare-and-graphics.. |
| 16:34.40 | dvs | aMd! |
| 16:34.49 | jelly | gidna: did you read that bit about non-free sources |
| 16:35.03 | greycat | you misspelled firmware and amd |
| 16:35.11 | jelly | don't forget to apt-get update |
| 16:35.18 | gidna | firmware-and-graphics |
| 16:35.23 | greycat | -amd- not -and- |
| 16:35.23 | dvs | aMd |
| 16:35.33 | jelly | AMD like the company, just lower case |
| 16:35.51 | gidna | ok.. but have I to add some repo? |
| 16:35.58 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 16:35.58 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 16:36.15 | dvs | gidna, add "contrib non-free" after main in the lines in the sources.list file |
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| 16:43.51 | jelly | greycat: do you have a FAanswer about sudo echo foo >> /etc/hosts (that is, how redirection is implemented and done by shell BEFORE executing a command)? |
| 16:43.52 | gidna | it says package has no installation candidate |
| 16:44.05 | greycat | https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls#pf53 |
| 16:44.09 | dvs | gidna, did you "apt update" first? |
| 16:44.11 | jelly | gidna: did you run "apt-get update" after editing /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 16:44.18 | gidna | yes sure |
| 16:44.53 | jelly | thanks! |
| 16:45.09 | dvs | gidna, Then the sources.list is probably wrong. |
| 16:45.10 | jelly | ,v firmware-amd-graphics |
| 16:45.11 | judd | Package: firmware-amd-graphics on amd64 -- jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free: 20190717-2~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20190717-2; sid/non-free: 20190717-2 |
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| 16:46.06 | jelly | gidna: weird. Maybe your sources are incomplete. Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy firmware-amd-graphics" and "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 16:46.16 | jelly | !buster sources.list |
| 16:46.16 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 16:52.30 | jelly | wonders whether debian-installer still fails to enable _any_ main mirror if network is unavailable during installation |
| 16:52.47 | dvs | That's probably the case |
| 16:53.03 | jelly | but then goes to enable security unconditionally |
| 16:53.09 | dvs | But why do that in the first place? |
| 16:53.12 | jelly | because... reasons! |
| 16:53.16 | dvs | Even if the network is not working? |
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| 16:53.24 | jelly | REASONS I SAY |
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| 16:55.18 | Butt3rfly | security tighter than a bend on an Italian mountain road |
| 16:55.44 | greycat | tighter than William Shatner's girdle |
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| 16:56.34 | dvs | tighter than the money in my wallet! |
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| 16:56.50 | Butt3rfly | nothing is _that_ tight :p |
| 16:56.57 | dvs | d'oh! |
| 16:57.07 | jelly | Denny Crane! |
| 16:57.17 | jelly | erm. Sorry, wrong channel |
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| 17:05.16 | ts_user | Hello |
| 17:05.30 | dvs | Oi! |
| 17:05.34 | ts_user | Does anyone know if evolution-ews package will be officially added to buster? |
| 17:05.42 | ts_user | I have checked site https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/evolution-ews, but it does not comment about buster version.Only a backport. |
| 17:06.11 | dvs | ts_user, if there is a backport then why does it have to be in buster proper? |
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| 17:07.16 | ts_user | In order to receive bug fixes.. Am I missing anything? |
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| 17:09.48 | greycat | backports do not receive security updates; you're on your own with those |
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| 17:13.41 | ts_user | ok, that is why I was wondering if evolution-ews would be added to buster |
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| 17:14.31 | greycat | Buster is released. It's stable. That means there's virtually zero chance any new programs will be added to it. |
| 17:15.20 | ts_user | ok, thank you greycat |
| 17:15.55 | petn-randall | ts_user: It might at some point show up in buster-backports, but only if there's enough interest and someone actually does the work. |
| 17:16.12 | dvs | petn-randall, it has already |
| 17:17.53 | petn-randall | Ah, right. I didn't read the backlog careful enough. |
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| 17:27.53 | johnfg | Hi folks |
| 17:28.30 | johnfg | My printer is still not working, just as of late, a couple of weeks. It's a Canon MF4150. |
| 17:28.37 | johnfg | Here's the error: completed at |
| 17:28.37 | johnfg | Mon 23 Sep 2019 11:26:56 AM MDT |
| 17:28.43 | johnfg | "src = libcanon_pdlwrapper.c, line = 514, err = 0Â¥nError Response:ReqNo=2, SeqNo=3,opvpErrorNo=-2" |
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| 17:29.14 | johnfg | The printer worked with no problems, actually for years, and just recently stopped working. |
| 17:29.23 | johnfg | It works fine from windoze. |
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| 17:31.12 | karlpinc | johnfg: So what changed a few weeks ago? |
| 17:31.42 | nb-ben | say I've established a reverse SSH tunnel -- `ssh -R 0:localhost:22 nb-ben@someserver.com` |
| 17:32.01 | nb-ben | how would I obtain the allocated port then? Is there a better way than parsing the output? |
| 17:32.06 | johnfg | karlpinc: Nothing, from me. The only thing that I can think of, is maybe an apt update. |
| 17:32.57 | karlpinc | nb-ben: Maybe you should tell us what you're trying to do. You know the port because you typed the command. |
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| 17:33.17 | karlpinc | johnfg: Where is the error message found? |
| 17:33.27 | greycat | I think he's using some optional feature where ssh allocates one arbitrarily instead of him typing one. |
| 17:33.27 | nb-ben | karlpinc: I would have liked to perform something like: `ssh -R 0:localhost:22 someone@someserver.com screen -dm ssh someone@localhost:ALLOC_PORT_HERE` |
| 17:33.59 | nb-ben | karlpinc: which would then yield that I can see a screen listing of an SSH session to the tunneled machine |
| 17:34.25 | dka | I had started a SCP remote to local backup of a remote directory, it lost the connection, I want to start over from where I was |
| 17:34.28 | dka | What is the best way to do ? |
| 17:34.29 | johnfg | I can see it in /var/log/cups/error_log. |
| 17:34.33 | greycat | I already have too much of a headache to try to reverse engineer multiple layers of ssh reverse tunneling and screen. Maybe try #openssh if nobody here can answer. |
| 17:34.48 | karlpinc | nb-ben: The ssh man page says that with -O forward the allocated port is printed to stdout. |
| 17:34.51 | greycat | dka: rewrite the backup to use rsync. |
| 17:34.51 | johnfg | It also shows up when I print a test page from localhost:631. |
| 17:35.05 | nb-ben | karlpinc: yes, but that is only after the command is run |
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| 17:35.29 | nb-ben | karlpinc: I would like to use that allocated port in the machine which I've connected to |
| 17:35.56 | karlpinc | nb-ben: Why not always use the same port and just hardcode it? |
| 17:36.12 | greycat | because his head doesn't hurt enough yet |
| 17:36.13 | nb-ben | karlpinc: because there are going to be hundreds of these |
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| 17:36.38 | shtrb | ,v plasma-shell |
| 17:36.39 | judd | No package named 'plasma-shell' was found in amd64. |
| 17:36.41 | shtrb | ,v plasmashell |
| 17:36.42 | judd | No package named 'plasmashell' was found in amd64. |
| 17:37.05 | nb-ben | guess I could get the PID of the ssh process and then somehow figure out what ports belong to it.. |
| 17:37.33 | karlpinc | nb-ben: Or just choose a random port and if it fails retry. |
| 17:37.34 | dka | greycat, there are lots of subfolder, do I have to start over ? |
| 17:37.44 | dka | I mean remove and redo but with rsync? |
| 17:38.04 | greycat | rsync may decide that some of them are done, and not recopy them, if the metadata matches |
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| 17:38.13 | greycat | that's kind of the whole *point* of rsync |
| 17:38.21 | nb-ben | karlpinc: I'm not gonna troll this project around this way, if I check in something like that, the incompetence will forever be documented in history |
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| 17:38.28 | nb-ben | lol |
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| 17:39.29 | greycat | and even if rsync decides that the meta do *not* match, it'll still use its algorithms to compare the content of the existing file on the target, and may avoid recopying that way |
| 17:39.48 | greycat | but if you didn't copy with rsync originally, there are no promises on that |
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| 17:40.17 | karlpinc | johnfg: Look at the changelog in /usr/share/doc/SOMEPACKAGE/ and see if something changed. You should be able to find that file name, uh, at packages.debian.org? sources.debian.org? That will tell you what package. |
| 17:40.56 | karlpinc | johnfg: If that package did not change maybe (possibly) your disk is corrupted and you need to fsck. And should run debsums to find any corruption. That's my thoughts. |
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| 17:43.19 | karlpinc | nb-ben: If _all_ your doing is running that command at the remote end then instead run a script that takes the port on stdin. Then you get the port on the local end after establishing the connection, send the port on to the remote end, and the remote end does what it does using the port. |
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| 17:44.32 | SPiRiT___ | Hi everybody, I am frustrated. HELP! :/ I install Debian on Virtualbox. When I choose DURING INSTALLATION to install KDE Plasma - The screen resolution is automatically adjusted when I resize VBox window. But if I install Plasma manually - it does not! Which package is doing this auto-sizing thing? |
| 17:44.41 | nb-ben | karlpinc: that' |
| 17:45.07 | nb-ben | karlpinc: that's what I'm going to do if there isn't an option to figure out the allocated port on the server |
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| 17:45.43 | karlpinc | SPiRiT___: How are you doing the install? |
| 17:45.45 | dka | I am trying to `rsync -avzhe ssh -P 10022 me@host:/backup .` but that lead to rsync error |
| 17:46.09 | karlpinc | !tell dka about errors |
| 17:46.10 | dka | it is synthax error, I need to set the port and the key which should be the one from the current user so default |
| 17:46.29 | SPiRiT___ | karlpinc, I install many packages (because I want minimal install). I tried a lot to check missing packages but could not find one that related to the screen. |
| 17:46.32 | greycat | you shouldn't need -e ssh if your rsync is less than 15 years old |
| 17:46.47 | greycat | it's been the default for about that long |
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| 17:47.21 | karlpinc | SPiRiT___: No, what debian installation method are you using when you choose during installation to install KDE Plasma? |
| 17:48.03 | SPiRiT___ | I use Debian 10, using full dvd (disk #1) but of course I then update sources.conf to use internet repositories... |
| 17:48.09 | SPiRiT___ | (main + contrib + non-free) |
| 17:49.33 | karlpinc | nb-ben: Using the reported port seems cleaner to me than poking about on the remote end. YMMV. |
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| 17:50.57 | jelly | dka: either quote that 'ssh -P10022' option for -e parameter, or put options for ssh client into ~/.ssh/config |
| 17:51.12 | karlpinc | SPiRiT___: You might try asking the kde channel. I don't know what does the resizing. Isn't it something that you poke at with a stick in the GUI? |
| 17:51.27 | greycat | ah, the -P was supposed to be an option for ssh, not for rsync? |
| 17:51.44 | jelly | dka: if you always use that port to connect to that machine it's probably better to put it in ssh's config file anyway |
| 17:52.04 | jelly | greycat: yes |
| 17:52.05 | greycat | note that if you're specifying a port to ssh, you probably want -p, not -P |
| 17:52.18 | SPiRiT___ | karlpinc, there is no such option in the GUI. This 'auto sizing' does not happen out-of-the-box if I install gnome, so you are probably right... I just wonder what does it :/ I'll try refering to kde. thanks a lot |
| 17:52.23 | greycat | -P was for scp, which is ... just bad. |
| 17:52.28 | nb-ben | karlpinc: it removes the ability to use -f (background), I'll have to maintain some session to it and redirect inputs and outputs.. |
| 17:52.32 | jelly | oh right |
| 17:52.45 | jelly | scp should die, etc etc |
| 17:52.54 | greycat | not as bad as ftp ;-) |
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| 17:53.08 | greycat | /msg greybot scp |
| 17:53.09 | jelly | ftp doesn't do shell expansions |
| 17:53.11 | nb-ben | karlpinc: if I can do this on the remote end, it makes the thing a lot simpler |
| 17:53.23 | jelly | scp is honestly worse in some aspects |
| 17:54.20 | jelly | relying on features of your particular login shells can be nifty, but security features put into latest openssh client mess with that |
| 17:54.22 | karlpinc | SPiRiT___: It's probably something that you can change with dpkg-reconfigure, but you'd have to know what package. You could try several at random.... |
| 17:55.04 | jelly | "Oh you wanted f*(.m-1) SURELY that does not match foo with mtime of less than one day and I'm refusing to copy it" |
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| 17:55.49 | greycat | is that zsh syntax? |
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| 17:56.05 | jelly | yes, it has half of find(1) as extended glob |
| 17:56.20 | greycat | *() in bash just means "0 or more of this" |
| 17:56.40 | greycat | wooledg:~$ echo f*(o) |
| 17:56.40 | greycat | foo |
| 17:56.42 | jelly | saves a lot of typing in interactive use |
| 17:57.30 | jelly | what was that pdf I downloaded this morning? okular Download/*pdf(.m-1)<tab> |
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| 17:59.20 | jelly | gzip *.log(.m+90L+4095) # compress regular files older than 90 days larger than 4095B |
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| 18:01.04 | jelly | just in case there's a hundred thousand tiny or 0-length files not worth compressing |
| 18:01.57 | nb-ben | karlpinc: looks like `netstat -lnp --tcp -4 | grep "$(($$ - 1))" | awk '{print $4}'` does it. Now I need to replace the $(($$-1) part with a better way to get parent pid. |
| 18:02.26 | johnfg | karlpinc: Ok, sorry to take so long to respond, working on a doc. |
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| 18:03.10 | nb-ben | ah, there's $PPID |
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| 18:04.08 | jelly | $$ -1 is oh so very racy |
| 18:04.37 | greycat | it's oh so incredibly *wrong*, but they've already found the correct answer on their own |
| 18:04.48 | nb-ben | actually, this is also a bad idea. |
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| 18:08.03 | johnfg | karlpinc: Not sure how to find what file may have changed. |
| 18:08.18 | karlpinc | johnfg: The error message has a file name in it. |
| 18:08.41 | karlpinc | johnfg: You want to know if that package has changed. |
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| 18:08.48 | different | Hi users. |
| 18:08.49 | johnfg | ibcanon_pdlwrapper.c? |
| 18:09.03 | johnfg | libcanon_pdlwrapper.c? |
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| 18:09.13 | karlpinc | johnfg: It could always be something unrelated, and that code is discovering the problem. But then I don't know what to do. |
| 18:09.19 | karlpinc | johnfg: yes. |
| 18:09.43 | gh00p | Hiya. Where can I find an authoritative downloadable list of Ethernet vendor IDs? That is, the first 24 bits of the MAC address? |
| 18:10.21 | petn-randall | gh00p: The package "ieee-data" has the complete dataset. |
| 18:10.45 | different | I think that exist a pair of programs about this information. |
| 18:11.04 | fuxxy | installing Buster on an ESXi VM, with the VM ethernet interface in 'trunking' mode (PVID 4095). The debian installer environment can't find a network. I've verified the 8021q module is loaded, as well as creating the vLAN interfaces with 'vconfig add ens32 200 && vconfig add ens32 20'. Is there anything else I can try, before giving up and switching to an access-type interface? |
| 18:11.24 | johnfg | Not finding anything at either packages or sources. |
| 18:11.50 | karlpinc | fuxxy: Can you use the nic at all while in the installer, say from a vt? |
| 18:12.11 | different | something know the program Offshell system? |
| 18:13.11 | karlpinc | fuxxy: I'm thinking firmware. Non-free firmware might be needed. (I always think this.) You could try the unofficial installer images with non-free firmware. (Type: /msg dpkg firmware images) |
| 18:13.13 | jelly | fuxxy: debian-installer does not support 8021q trunks yet |
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| 18:13.16 | fuxxy | karlpinc, I can't use any interface - Not the 'raw' ens32, nor the vLAN interfaces. With a configured static IP, I get no response from the other machines on the network. |
| 18:13.42 | jelly | fuxxy: btw which eth card emulation are you using, e1000e? vmxnet3? |
| 18:13.54 | fuxxy | jelly, e1000 |
| 18:14.21 | karlpinc | was not paying close enough attention |
| 18:15.18 | fuxxy | jelly, I didnt expect the installer to configure the vLAN interfaces, so I've done that by hand. |
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| 18:15.43 | gh00p | petn-randall: thanks. Do you happen to know how consistently the ieee-data package is updated to match original sources? |
| 18:15.53 | jelly | fuxxy: just for fun, can you tell the installer you want to use ens32.200 as interface to configure? |
| 18:16.10 | jelly | with out configuring manually any of them |
| 18:16.26 | jelly | because ifupdown does support them. |
| 18:17.13 | jelly | fuxxy: is your switch a vDS or standard switch? |
| 18:17.57 | jelly | because I vaguely remember a wishlist bug report |
| 18:18.08 | fuxxy | jelly, no, the installer doesnt even provide the option for other interfaces until I've created them by hand. Afterwards, the installer can be directed to ens32.200, but it does not receive a DHCP response. A manually configured IP cannot contact the gateway IP, nor any other IP on the subnet. |
| 18:19.03 | fuxxy | jelly, ESxi is connected to a Cisco 3560G, L2+minimal L3 routing |
| 18:19.08 | jelly | fuxxy: can you confirm the hypervisor side of the interface is configured correctly, by booting say a linux live image and configuring vlans there? |
| 18:19.20 | jelly | fuxxy: I meant the switch on esxi. |
| 18:19.46 | fuxxy | jelly, oh, sorry. The internal vSwitch is a standard switch. |
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| 18:20.26 | jelly | judd: bug #433568 |
| 18:20.27 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/433568 in netcfg (open, d-i, patch): «add vlan support»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2007-07-17; last modified: 2019-01-12. |
| 18:20.43 | petn-randall | gh00p: You can check the changelog at https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/ieee-data, it doesn't need to get updated very often, and is usually up-to-date. |
| 18:21.23 | gh00p | Thanks. I found http://standards-oui.ieee.org/oui.txt as well, which seems to do the trick without a package download, so it might be easier for portability. |
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| 18:24.00 | jelly | fetching a file from a http site might be more prone to MITM than getting the same data via distribution means |
| 18:24.48 | petn-randall | That's also my thinking. |
| 18:24.51 | jelly | then again, that can they do, change all the vendor names to genitalia |
| 18:25.03 | jelly | what* can they do |
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| 18:25.12 | petn-randall | Plus you'd also have to check for errors when retrieving it by hand. |
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| 18:27.03 | fuxxy | jelly, reading through the bug report and checking on my system, all the commands the contributors list that throw errors appear to work properly in my install environment. |
| 18:27.14 | jelly | fuxxy: our workflow at work brings up a fresh vm in a separate network with tftp and dhcp, installs, and only configures actual network after that |
| 18:27.16 | fuxxy | jelly, Let me try the Live ISO. |
| 18:27.36 | johnfg | Is there a reason to have gutenprint, since I have the canon driver? |
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| 18:28.15 | jelly | (the installation part pushes correct /e/n/interfaces, powers down the thing, reconfigures net and powers up) |
| 18:29.36 | fuxxy | jelly, I'm still toying with the idea of an install PXE environment, with PXE loading a bootloader with various install images, but that's still on the table. |
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| 18:30.48 | jelly | that's what coworker did in the end, works for debian 9, 10, rhel and centos 6, 7 |
| 18:31.10 | jelly | and breaks every time there's a debian point release :-) |
| 18:31.12 | PETURBG | i need for latest stable debian coturn: it fail it work: https://bgzashtita.es/git/for-linux-in-general/coturn/issues/2 |
| 18:31.40 | greycat | ,v coturn |
| 18:31.41 | judd | Package: coturn on amd64 -- jessie: 4.2.1.2-1; jessie-security: 4.2.1.2-1+deb8u1; stretch: 4.5.0.5-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 4.5.0.5-1+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 4.5.1.0-1~bpo9+1; buster: 4.5.1.1-1.1; bullseye: 4.5.1.1-1.1+b1; sid: 4.5.1.1-1.1+b1 |
| 18:32.02 | jelly | PETURBG: what is "coturn"? |
| 18:32.22 | greycat | it's a package, apparently... the question is, does buster's version work well enough for PETURBG? |
| 18:33.10 | PETURBG | greycat latest debian 10... it is same as unstable... |
| 18:33.18 | jelly | PETURBG: does NextCloud support Debian 10 at all? |
| 18:34.06 | PETURBG | jelly... question is separated... as it still don't connect to nextcloud... it comment timeout... so nextcloud still don';t work... |
| 18:34.25 | johnfg | The gutenprint didn't show any recent changes, but don't know what else could have changed? I reinstalled the printer driver from canon, but it made no difference. |
| 18:34.51 | PETURBG | johnfg what version of debian you use ? |
| 18:35.07 | johnfg | stretch, with latest updates. |
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| 18:35.23 | PETURBG | johnfg you mean debian 9... |
| 18:35.45 | johnfg | Haven't upgraded to buster as of yet. |
| 18:35.54 | johnfg | PETURBG: Yup. |
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| 18:36.17 | PETURBG | johnfg.. for more security... make backup of config files... and purge all program related to drivers... |
| 18:36.39 | jelly | ,i coturn |
| 18:36.41 | judd | Package coturn (net, optional) in buster/amd64: TURN and STUN server for VoIP. Version: 4.5.1.1-1.1; Size: 349.0k; Installed: 1414k; Homepage: https://github.com/coturn/coturn/ |
| 18:36.56 | jelly | oh, it's a proxy for SIP crazy NAT traversing schemes |
| 18:37.09 | johnfg | PETURBG: I'll give that a try. Gotta run to 2nd job, but thanks to all who are trying to fix the problem! |
| 18:37.12 | johnfg | ttyl! |
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| 18:37.46 | PETURBG | johncfg sometimes it works 100 %... if you don';t solve it... comment i will try help you. |
| 18:37.52 | SPiRiT___ | karlpinc, just to let you know, I found that the 'upower' package does the work of auto-resizing the screen! Thank you :} |
| 18:38.21 | life_SUX | I am having a problem with an installation of 10. After successful installation, i rebooted, and all i get is a blinking cursor. |
| 18:38.40 | PETURBG | judd i don't have github account... very dissapoint that old version of coturn worked... |
| 18:38.42 | judd | No package named 'don't' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 18:39.23 | PETURBG | johncfg goodluck for 2nd work... |
| 18:39.50 | jelly | judd is sadly a bot that does not know better |
| 18:39.58 | PETURBG | jelly can you help for solve it... |
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| 18:40.47 | life_SUX | jelly" Can you help me with my problem? |
| 18:40.54 | PETURBG | i have verbose activated... maybe it mean more logs: timer_event_handler: timeout 0x5589aa08e160: timer_handler |
| 18:41.01 | greycat | jelly can you solve hunger and poverty |
| 18:41.03 | jelly | no, life_SUX |
| 18:41.13 | life_SUX | jelly : ok |
| 18:41.55 | PETURBG | what exactly debian irc chat is for. |
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| 18:42.33 | life_SUX | I had to burn an installation of Super Grub2 onto a disk, and run that to access the OS. How can i fix this? |
| 18:42.36 | greycat | PETURBG: nobody here has even *heard* of "coturn" before now, let alone has in-depth knowledge of this package. File a bug report. If you believe the stretch version will work better for you, then use the stretch version. |
| 18:42.52 | jelly | PETURBG: helping with stuff we know how to help with, and getting help if possible |
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| 18:43.22 | jelly | a voip related channel might be or more help |
| 18:43.40 | PETURBG | life_UX you need to chroot in that system |
| 18:44.24 | life_SUX | Ok, i am new at thios. so, I will have to look that up |
| 18:44.51 | PETURBG | i have manual... how to reinstall it: |
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| 18:46.06 | lacky | ciao a tutti |
| 18:46.25 | lacky | !list |
| 18:46.25 | dpkg | lacky: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 18:46.56 | life_SUX | When in SuperGrub2, I chose Detect and show boot methods - it displays 4 "operating systems". Which one ? |
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| 18:47.21 | jelly | life_SUX: what are the options presented? |
| 18:47.25 | jelly | !paste |
| 18:47.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 18:49.04 | PETURBG | i configured https://bgzashtita.es/git for everything... there is manuals... |
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| 18:50.27 | life_SUX | Linux /bootvmlinuz-(4.19.0 5)( and 4.19.0.6)-amd 64 (h0,msdos1) |
| 18:50.51 | life_SUX | Linux /bootvmlinuz-(4.19.0 5)( and 4.19.0.6)-amd 64 (single)(h0,msdos1) |
| 18:51.53 | life_SUX | jelly : One of each. |
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| 18:54.30 | PETURBG | life_SUX: look here: https://bgzashtita.es/git/for-linux-in-general/grub/issues i will upload how to reinstall grub... |
| 18:54.42 | life_SUX | jelly; ...It also has advanced options grub.cfg menu.lst, core.img |
| 18:54.49 | life_SUX | OK,. thasnk you |
| 18:54.54 | life_SUX | thank you |
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| 18:56.38 | PETURBG | if you open bgzashtita.es refresh it now.. i just upload it. |
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| 18:57.33 | PETURBG | when you install grub it will ask what hard disk to use... you can install it /dev/herewriteyourlinux |
| 18:58.18 | PETURBG | to reinstall frub use ubuntu live... |
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| 19:00.16 | jelly | life_SUX: on normal boot without a live image, do you get a menu before switching to seeing just the cursor? |
| 19:00.44 | life_SUX | no core.img, or menu,lst found |
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| 19:00.57 | life_SUX | just the cursor |
| 19:01.31 | life_SUX | blinking |
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| 19:02.29 | life_SUX | I am new to this, so i have no idea of whati am doing |
| 19:02.59 | PETURBG | someone delete bgashtita web address. |
| 19:04.11 | life_SUX | jelly ; ..should i go to the command line? |
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| 19:04.55 | PETURBG | life_SUX can't help you... becouse debian delete my bgzsahtita.es/git address. Ask debian moderators... i want to help not show my git address. but you need manual. |
| 19:05.31 | life_SUX | ok. i think that i bookmarked it lst night. |
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| 19:06.21 | PETURBG | manual for me work... and carefull in new linux kernel there it bugs... one i found is... that every 10 sec, you will don't have internet and lan connection will not work. Returning in old kernel 0.5 everything is gonna work. |
| 19:07.00 | PETURBG | how much hard disk you have... |
| 19:07.27 | life_SUX | 300GB |
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| 19:07.57 | PETURBG | how much hard disks... now space... hard disk... in your pc... |
| 19:08.03 | PETURBG | now = not ? |
| 19:08.31 | greycat | I think you mean "how many drives". |
| 19:08.54 | life_SUX | oh, only one right now. I plan to add another one in the near future |
| 19:09.00 | PETURBG | for fast solution. install ubuntu live cd: https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop and burn it to usb... after that run it from usb... |
| 19:09.25 | Mathisen | what is going on here ? why ubuntu iso ? |
| 19:09.29 | PETURBG | greycat... drivers ? you mean chocolate drivers or hard disk drivers? |
| 19:09.49 | Mathisen | im just reading some lines and have no clue what the real issue is here |
| 19:10.02 | Mathisen | mind to explain real issue again ? |
| 19:10.57 | PETURBG | Mathisen my issue is with coturn: it comment erros: https://bgzashtita.es/git/for-linux-in-general/coturn/issues/2 |
| 19:11.09 | PETURBG | on old version it work... |
| 19:11.39 | greycat | File a bug report, and then use the old version. |
| 19:12.04 | PETURBG | greycat aiiii no.... in new version there is logchange that work in nextcloud... |
| 19:12.52 | PETURBG | timer_event_handler: timeout |
| 19:13.01 | Mathisen | ok, well cant help with that. no clue what coturn is but i have nextcloud 16.0.4 running on my buster without issues. |
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| 19:14.02 | PETURBG | Mathisen thi is for next talk... do you use it... |
| 19:14.17 | Mathisen | nope |
| 19:15.09 | PETURBG | Mathisen ehhhh... can you help me compile coturn from github... try see if it work... need original debian directory. |
| 19:16.15 | Mathisen | i will not mess with my nextcloud no |
| 19:16.56 | PETURBG | i dont' have to you mess with nextcloud... i need original debian directory to compile coturn... |
| 19:17.09 | greycat | !source |
| 19:17.09 | dpkg | As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; retrieve dependencies with <apt-get build-dep>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package> |
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| 19:18.47 | PETURBG | greycat ? you mean i need to download git package, and download from debian source code of coturn, they mv debian/rules to new git package and use dpkg-buildpackage... and after tat it will have original new coturn .deb ? |
| 19:18.55 | rafalcpp | what can result in /tmp free space decreasing over days, while there are no big files there? |
| 19:19.11 | rafalcpp | like maybe, somehoe, opened pipes nost closed correctly.. sockets.. anything like that? |
| 19:19.25 | rafalcpp | I run a custom program there which I suspect might be somehow causing this |
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| 19:20.50 | Alexthek1d1977 | hello |
| 19:21.02 | Alexthek1d1977 | how to change locale from C to C.UTF-8? |
| 19:21.13 | greycat | rafalcpp: is your /tmp a real partition, or a tempfs in memory? |
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| 19:21.25 | greycat | !locale |
| 19:21.25 | dpkg | A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale |
| 19:21.39 | Mathisen | PETURBG, yes it compiled without issues https://paste.debian.net/1102252/ |
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| 19:23.07 | Alexthek1d1977 | greycat thanks |
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| 19:23.29 | Alexthek1d1977 | i already tried: |
| 19:23.29 | Alexthek1d1977 | sudo update-locale LANG=C.UTF-8 |
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| 19:23.33 | Alexthek1d1977 | nothing changed |
| 19:24.08 | CpAj0 | i use lxde with debian, i have a problem after reboot when i login in the system my desktop wallpaper will reset to default one |
| 19:24.13 | greycat | what on earth is "sudo update-locale" ... |
| 19:24.16 | life_SUX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:25.02 | greycat | Hmm, man page says it modifies /etc/default/locale for you. So, if you actually *want* to use /etc/default/locale for some reason, I suppose that will suffice. |
| 19:25.08 | life_SUX | is it in the cfg file? No image file found. |
| 19:25.15 | Alexthek1d1977 | greychat dunno found that googleing |
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| 19:25.27 | PETURBG | Mathisen very sexy pastebin log... but don't understand how it detect debian automaticaly directory... |
| 19:25.33 | CpAj0 | is java involved in any way? |
| 19:25.38 | greycat | Alexthek1d1977: after changing /etc/default/locale you will need to log out and back in. And you'd better not be using ssh. |
| 19:25.48 | hexnewbie | How does one get Widevine on Chromium in Debian 10 to work? Like, real, step by step instructions, which version, which exact directory needs to be in, where does one go to verify that it is installed? |
| 19:25.51 | greycat | /etc/default/locale only makes sense for LOCAL logins. |
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| 19:25.56 | Alexthek1d1977 | greycat, okay ty |
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| 19:27.51 | life_SUX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:28.01 | PETURBG | ? |
| 19:28.37 | hexnewbie | Bug #921738 says it just works, but there are no clear instructions, nor a way to check |
| 19:28.38 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/921738 in chromium-widevine (closed, wontfix): «chromium-widevine: Widevine does not work with Netflix»; severity: grave; opened: 2019-02-08; last modified: 2019-04-06. |
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| 19:33.02 | DammitJim | Oh gosh, this is not necessarily a debian question, but I have 20 x 500GB hard drives... what do you guys suggest I can buy to build a storage server with them? |
| 19:35.03 | Alexthek1d1977 | greycat, thanks for your help. it works |
| 19:35.23 | Alexthek1d1977 | greycat, had a bad time with python encoding and stuff.. |
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| 19:37.45 | PETURBG | is this correct: https://bgzashtita.es/git/for-linux-in-general/coturn/issues/3 i try compile coturn and it comment erros. as i move debian in coturn git... |
| 19:40.00 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: You'll need a couple of full height NAS chassis with extendable RAID controllers. |
| 19:40.21 | DammitJim | sounds expensive |
| 19:40.29 | jhutchins_wk | Oh yeah. |
| 19:40.41 | jhutchins_wk | Most controllers only handle 7 drives at a time. |
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| 19:40.54 | PETURBG | someone experince with compile debian in original directory: https://bgzashtita.es/git/for-linux-in-general/coturn/issues/3 |
| 19:40.56 | jhutchins_wk | 20 is going to be _special_. |
| 19:42.30 | PETURBG | hmm strange it think it compile... but how... |
| 19:42.39 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: kids these days do not use raid controllers, pure HBA mode and soft raid (and tiering) is modern |
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| 19:43.36 | PETURBG | now it comment hits: pg: skipped "Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org>": No secret key gpg: dpkg-sign.7hhevBRE/coturn_4.5.1.1-1.1.dsc: clear-sign failed: No secret key |
| 19:43.58 | jelly | DammitJim: you could try and plug them into an old 4U 24 disk chassis and connect that to a sas or fc san controller |
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| 19:45.18 | jelly | DammitJim: you're already in #linux-raid right? |
| 19:45.58 | jelly | nope. Could have sworn you were. |
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| 19:48.29 | hexnewbie | ‘strace -ff chromium --no-sandbox 2>&1 | fgrep widevine’ results in ‘openat(AT_FDCWD, "/usr/lib/chromium/libwidevinecdm.so", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = 180’, am I to assume I installed the library in the right place, but got the wrong version of it? |
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| 19:51.16 | jelly | hexnewbie: is that the same as the eponymous thing that comes with google chrome? |
| 19:51.31 | karlpinc | hexnewbie: I don't know. Reminder: If you're manually mucking with libs don't forget ldconfig. |
| 19:51.51 | jelly | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7095956 Sep 18 00:05 /opt/google/chrome/libwidevinecdm.so |
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| 19:52.26 | jelly | ldconfig is less important when an executable manually opens hardcoded paths with dlsym() |
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| 19:52.50 | greycat | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7095956 Sep 17 18:05 /opt/google/chrome/libwidevinecdm.so |
| 19:53.13 | Guest68 | Hi i have problem using pdftk, i don't have the permission but i am in root ... Can someone help me please ? |
| 19:53.17 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: I have a storage guy who takes care of that stuff for me. |
| 19:53.23 | jelly | well at least yours and mine look similar. Unless there's a MITM somewhere inside freenode |
| 19:53.36 | greycat | I guess the timestamp isn't significant...? |
| 19:53.40 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: I am also my storage guy. |
| 19:53.42 | hexnewbie | jelly: It should be the same thing, but I try to avoid having to install Chrome to get it to work. The version in Debian is supposed to autoload it, but there are no more details to it. I got it to work in Firefox (which downloads it automatically in ~/.mozilla/...), but I want to secure a backup browser before making any purchases, and I can't see any signs it's working in Chromium (besides, test sites say my DRM is not working) |
| 19:54.02 | karlpinc | Guest68: We'd need to see more info. |
| 19:54.08 | karlpinc | !tell Guest68 about errors |
| 19:54.13 | jelly | greycat: timezones are crazy things! |
| 19:54.18 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: Sometimes I miss being a joat, other times it's a real relief. |
| 19:54.18 | karlpinc | !tell Guest68 about paste |
| 19:55.19 | Guest68 | Here is the error (Less than 2 lines) : bash: /home/user/scan 1.pdf: Permission non accordée |
| 19:55.37 | jelly | suspects greycat to have things installed around UTC-4 meridians |
| 19:55.37 | PETURBG | someone |
| 19:55.53 | hexnewbie | One of the five versions I downloaded and tried is 7085500 bytes |
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| 19:56.08 | greycat | Guest68: ls -l "/home/user/scan 1.pdf" |
| 19:56.15 | jelly | hexnewbie: which version of chromium do you have, 76.x or 77.x? |
| 19:56.25 | jelly | this file ^ iz from chrome 77.x |
| 19:56.37 | hexnewbie | jelly: 76.0.3809.100-1~deb10u1 |
| 19:56.45 | Guest68 | -rw-r----- 1 user user 532562 sept. 23 21:15 '/home/user/scan 1.pdf' |
| 19:56.59 | jelly | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7085500 Aug 24 00:09 /opt/google/chrome/libwidevinecdm.so # this one iz from 76.0.3809.132-1 |
| 19:57.05 | life_SUX | ..perhaps iot would be better if i just reinstalled the OS. |
| 19:57.06 | greycat | Guest68: well, if you are "user" then you can read this file. If you're not "user", and not in group "user", you cannot. |
| 19:57.20 | karlpinc | greycat: He says he's root |
| 19:57.40 | greycat | I also saw something about "pdftk" which sounds GUI-ish, which means he can't really be root. |
| 19:57.50 | Guest68 | trying in both root and user doesn't work ... |
| 19:58.10 | jelly | ,i pdftk |
| 19:58.12 | judd | Package pdftk (text, optional) in buster/amd64: transitional package for pdftk, a tool for manipulating PDF documents. Version: 2.02-5; Size: 16.0k; Installed: 27k; Homepage: https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/ |
| 19:58.18 | jelly | ,depends pdftk |
| 19:58.20 | judd | Package pdftk in buster/amd64 -- depends: pdftk-java. |
| 19:58.26 | greycat | *shudder* |
| 19:58.37 | hexnewbie | jelly: Would you by any chance have any idea which version would that be? chrome://components/ is supposed to show it, I suspect under the WidevineCdm name |
| 19:58.39 | greycat | there's tk in java now?! |
| 19:58.44 | jelly | the thing with Tk in its name is naturally implemented in Java! |
| 19:58.52 | hexnewbie | Which version of Widevine, I mean |
| 19:58.54 | jelly | (most likely, reimplemented) |
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| 19:59.10 | jelly | hexnewbie: lemme see if about:plugins shows it |
| 19:59.11 | greycat | ,depends pdftk-java |
| 19:59.12 | judd | Package pdftk-java in buster/amd64 -- depends: libbcprov-java, libcommons-lang3-java, default-jre-headless | java8-runtime-headless. |
| 19:59.17 | Guest68 | I have already that package |
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| 20:00.12 | karlpinc | Yes, java. But pdftk seems to be "the tool" for frobbing pdfs. At least the last time I looked. |
| 20:01.01 | karlpinc | Guest68: I don't suppose selinux is turned on? |
| 20:01.56 | Guest68 | how can i check ? |
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| 20:03.20 | greycat | This pdftk vs. pdftk-java thing is very confusing to me. packages.d.o. shows that the package is basically unchanged across jessie/stretch/buster except that in buster, it has been renamed to -java and the original pdftk converted to a transitional package. |
| 20:03.26 | greycat | Yet, all of these versions are written in Java. |
| 20:03.27 | karlpinc | Guest68: First, try this: cat -A '/home/user/scan 1.pdf > /dev/null |
| 20:03.44 | greycat | lost a quote there |
| 20:03.48 | karlpinc | Guest68: I'd expect you to get your error message. |
| 20:04.03 | karlpinc | Oops: cat -A '/home/user/scan 1.pdf' > /dev/null |
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| 20:04.45 | Guest68 | It give me nothing ... |
| 20:05.30 | karlpinc | Guest68: That is strange, because the original message is supposed to be from bash.... |
| 20:05.56 | Guest68 | i i tried both root and user, nothing |
| 20:06.22 | Guest68 | root@PC-LD:/home/user# cat -A '/home/user/scan 1.pdf' > /dev/nullroot@PC-LD:/home/user# |
| 20:06.36 | karlpinc | Guest68: You never did tell us what you were typing to get the error. |
| 20:07.04 | Guest68 | oh i was trying to fuse some pdf. I will upload to pastebin |
| 20:07.22 | Guest68 | *paste debian i mean |
| 20:09.01 | jelly | hexnewbie: okay, I have no idea how to check the version |
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| 20:09.20 | Guest68 | here is the link : http://paste.debian.net/1102265/ |
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| 20:10.39 | karlpinc | Guest68: That's pretty clear. You're trying to run a pdf as a program. It won't run. If you want to use pdftk you're going to have to put the pdftk command into your command line. |
| 20:11.06 | hexnewbie | jelly: It's not in chrome://components ? |
| 20:12.04 | jhutchins_wk | Guest68: I think that imagemagick and *office's graphics programs can handle that. |
| 20:12.08 | Guest68 | ah i see now ... Shit i am too tired, thanks ! |
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| 20:12.20 | hexnewbie | jelly: Thanks for checking, either way. The problem may even be elsewhere, given that I tried a vast variety of them and the manifest of none of them seem to specify minimum browser version or anything of that sort. |
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| 20:16.31 | jelly | hexnewbie: its absence in chrome://components is noted; netflix works nevertheless |
| 20:16.38 | hexnewbie | jelly: Thanks for the time helping. I just got it working, and confirmed. :) May have been my fault all along, put the newest version in ~/.local/lib, and the test videos play (apparently, it's not displayed in chrome://components, so I may have been checking the wrong place all along) |
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| 20:17.44 | jelly | TIL ~/.local |
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| 20:18.33 | somiaj | the whole lets rebild the whole FSH inside of $HOME approach |
| 20:18.33 | greycat | it's where x stores its Xorg.0.log file lately |
| 20:18.43 | somiaj | (if using startx, display managers still run as root) |
| 20:19.06 | somiaj | so now we have two places to tell someone to look for the xorg log, how fun |
| 20:19.14 | greycat | (the release notes told me gdm3 in strech runs X as you for gnome-users) |
| 20:19.25 | greycat | (lightdm, another story) |
| 20:19.38 | greycat | somiaj: been that way for a while now. |
| 20:19.40 | greycat | !xorg.0.log |
| 20:19.40 | dpkg | Xorg.0.log is in /var/log/ unless you are on stretch-or-later and running X as non-root. Then it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/ instead. |
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| 20:20.01 | somiaj | yup, since debian 9 where non setuid xorg was introduced |
| 20:20.06 | jelly | somiaj: I think you want to say "freedesktop.org STANDARD"!!1 |
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| 20:21.01 | somiaj | I was more commenting how ~/.local and ~/.share, ~/bin, all feel like putting the FSH inside of $HOME |
| 20:21.10 | greycat | FHS, right? |
| 20:21.39 | jelly | I already have a ~/bin and ~/tmp |
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| 20:21.51 | jelly | shakes his cane, warning the younguns off his lawn |
| 20:21.54 | greycat | and now you have /run/user/$UID/ too! |
| 20:21.58 | somiaj | ahh yea, I was thinking FileSystem Heirachy, not Filesystem Heriachy Standard |
| 20:23.18 | jhutchins_wk | Of course they're all hidden, but at least you can still read them. Until systemd takes over and munges them into a binary registry. |
| 20:23.54 | jelly | Fur Hajjesty's Ship? |
| 20:24.39 | greycat | Oh, that reminds me. General question, could be off topic. Do people who migrate their services to systemd units just forsake sane human-readable logging, or is there some trick to get actual log files instead of journalctl shit? |
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| 20:25.59 | somiaj | I just use the journactl log since it grabs bout stdout and stderror |
| 20:26.26 | somiaj | But I think you can do standard shell things, wonder if using something like tee could help with this |
| 20:26.35 | greycat | Do you enable persistent logging on disk too? |
| 20:26.37 | somiaj | so the output is tee'd to a log file, but still given to systemd. |
| 20:26.46 | somiaj | My use is really simple, so I haven't |
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| 20:27.55 | jmcnaught | journald forwards to syslog, but I prefer using journalctl so I have persistent logging enabled. |
| 20:28.02 | somiaj | greycat: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/321709/redirect-systemd-service-logs-to-file -- provided that isn't outdated, seems you can state a StandardOutput=/path/to/log and StandardError=/path/to/log |
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| 20:28.21 | somiaj | so if you want you can have systemd send the stdout and stderror to a log file of your choosing |
| 20:29.14 | somiaj | https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.exec.html#StandardOutput= -- hmm, seems this is probably not a good way to do it (systemd overwrites the file, not appends to it) |
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| 20:29.29 | greycat | "Note that this way log files contents will be overwritten each time service restarts." |
| 20:29.46 | somiaj | oh wait, nevermind on the last link, you can do append:path |
| 20:29.51 | somiaj | so maybe you can actually append |
| 20:30.00 | somiaj | append:path is similar to file:path above, but it opens the file in append mode. |
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| 20:32.16 | greycat | So, what I'm hearing is there is no equivalent to daemontools's automatically rotated timestamped log files. |
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| 20:34.51 | somiaj | well coulnd't logrotate still rotate files here? |
| 20:35.10 | somiaj | But yea, you might find if you don't want systemd to be the only location of the logs, have the program produce its own logfile |
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| 20:36.08 | greycat | Going back to "a single infinite logfile + logrotate + some kind of daemon-specific signal to reopen the log file" would be like going backward 15 years. |
| 20:37.26 | somiaj | My limited understanding is the design is journalctl is supose to do all the parsing you need, and all data is there. But I too like logfiles |
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| 20:40.03 | twobitsprite | rsyslog can receive log entries from systemd |
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| 20:53.53 | bouba | have u any idea to install virtualbox in buster? |
| 20:54.20 | joepublic | I do have an idea how to install virtualbox in buster. |
| 20:54.28 | joepublic | several, in fact. |
| 20:55.32 | bouba | can u help me? |
| 20:55.50 | joepublic | a good installation fumble and bumble method is "apt-cache search whatever" (in this case virtualbox), look at the output, find something that looks likely, and sudo apt-get install that-thing-that-looks-likely. |
| 20:55.54 | jhutchins_wk | !virtualbox |
| 20:55.54 | dpkg | Oracle VM VirtualBox is an almost free software virtual machine solution. To install, see https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox or ask me about <vbox-install jessie>, <vbox-install wheezy>. http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox rename>, <vbox guest>, <vbox extpack>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>. |
| 20:55.54 | greycat | !virtualbox |
| 20:56.27 | joepublic | wow. Jessie *or* Wheezy. |
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| 20:56.29 | at0m | ,v virtualbox |
| 20:56.30 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 6.0.12-dfsg-1 |
| 20:56.39 | at0m | no buster |
| 20:56.47 | bouba | ahhhh |
| 20:57.04 | jhutchins_wk | I think it was something like inadequate maintenance. |
| 20:57.42 | greycat | it's not in stretch either... but *is* in stretch-backports for some reason |
| 20:57.59 | joepublic | one might wonder from where it was backported. |
| 20:58.06 | bouba | importing keys (not work) in buster |
| 20:58.07 | greycat | sid |
| 20:58.15 | joepublic | fair enough |
| 20:59.08 | joepublic | oracle also builds various debs (and rpms etc.) and provides a repository which might or might not be helpful, https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
| 20:59.55 | bouba | so ... and for buster? |
| 21:00.21 | whislock | Consider going to the URL you were just given. |
| 21:00.35 | joepublic | harking back to your question, can I help you, the answer may or may not be yes. I can point you in the right direction(s), and if this helps you, then yes. If not, then probably not. |
| 21:01.09 | joepublic | I mostly use QEMU/KVM and not virtualbox, so my knowledge is mostly theoretical on the matter. |
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| 21:03.03 | bouba | joepublic, +1 |
| 21:03.16 | bouba | sry |
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| 21:04.06 | joepublic | If it were me I would try something "not recommended" in a virtual machine (like installing the jessie version or stretch-backports version) and see what happens. |
| 21:04.16 | bouba | this package semms good https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/6.0.12/virtualbox-6.0_6.0.12-133076~Ubuntu~bionic_amd64.deb+ |
| 21:04.30 | joepublic | but if you make your virtual machines in virtualbox, that limits that. |
| 21:04.33 | bouba | seems s |
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| 21:05.02 | joepublic | generally one would set up the repository they are talking about and then apt-get update and apt-get install their virtualbox. |
| 21:05.15 | whislock | ^ that's a better idea than installing a single deb. |
| 21:05.16 | joepublic | rather than download a deb file, throw it at the wall, and see what sticks. |
| 21:05.36 | joepublic | remember, if you break your system, you get to keep both pieces. |
| 21:05.39 | greycat | I'd be rather careful installing a package that says "Ubuntu" and "bionic". |
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| 21:06.10 | whislock | To be fair, the site says its the same package for buster. |
| 21:06.36 | greycat | OK. If you trust this site, then maybe go for it. |
| 21:06.41 | whislock | But again, better a repo than a single deb. |
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| 21:07.53 | bouba | dpkg not work with option +i |
| 21:07.53 | dpkg | bouba: are you using Windows? |
| 21:08.07 | bouba | dpkg, yes |
| 21:08.08 | dpkg | bouba: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:08.36 | whislock | bouba: Follow the instructions for adding the repo. Don't just install a deb. |
| 21:08.49 | joepublic | bouba, you downloaded the deb file and tried to install it, right? |
| 21:08.57 | whislock | Wait. You're using Windows? Is this some WSL mess? |
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| 21:09.23 | bouba | joepublic, yes |
| 21:09.46 | bouba | but o wrong i know |
| 21:10.04 | joepublic | okay bouba. It does not work that way. To install packages manually which is usually probably (and in this case definitely) a bad idea, you have to also manually install all dependencies. |
| 21:10.06 | bouba | but is wrong i know |
| 21:10.35 | bouba | joepublic, apt-get install -f |
| 21:10.44 | greycat | !apt install |
| 21:10.44 | dpkg | You can specify a pathname to a manually downloaded .deb file in apt install, but it must begin with / or ./ or ../ or else apt thinks it's a package name. E.g. "apt install ./foo-1.2.deb". This supersedes <gdebi>. |
| 21:10.45 | joepublic | the next question is not "how do I do that" but "what should I do instead", the answer in this case being setting up their repository and then apt-get update and apt-get install whatever you are trying to install. |
| 21:11.22 | joepublic | uh, the oracle dependencies aren't going to be installable no matter how clever your apt-foo if their repositories are unknown. |
| 21:11.56 | bouba | yes my apt-sources-list |
| 21:12.19 | bouba | but dont work . |
| 21:12.38 | FlyingPersian | hi there. I just created the chroot folder /home/test/home, changed it approprotely in the sshd_config, copied over the /bin/bash file to /home/test/bin/ and the respective libraries to /home/test/lib and /home/test/lib/i386-linux-gnu, created the home directoy in /home/test/home/testuser and added /home/test/bin/bash as the user's shell, but I cannot login with the user. it logs in, then says "/home/test/bin/bash: No such file or |
| 21:12.38 | FlyingPersian | directory" and closes the connection |
| 21:12.43 | FlyingPersian | any idea why that is or what I'm doing wrong? |
| 21:13.02 | greycat | ldd /home/test/bin/bash |
| 21:13.05 | joepublic | I can't parse "yes my apt-sources-list but dont work ." |
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| 21:13.16 | greycat | !ssh chroot |
| 21:13.16 | dpkg | ssh chroot is, like, Stop. Read http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/121/325425/30/0/ and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
| 21:13.41 | FlyingPersian | soo don't do it? |
| 21:13.51 | FlyingPersian | how else can I limit a user to one directoy only? |
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| 21:14.35 | joepublic | put their home directory on a file system that does not support subdirectories? |
| 21:14.43 | FlyingPersian | hm |
| 21:14.44 | FlyingPersian | okay |
| 21:14.49 | greycat | WHY do you feel you need to "limit a user to one directory"? |
| 21:15.09 | karlpinc | FlyingPersian: Yes, what does "limit" mean? |
| 21:15.11 | FlyingPersian | I just want to temporarily create a user to sftp a few files |
| 21:15.20 | greycat | If you don't trust this person to login to your system, why are you letting them login to your system? |
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| 21:15.30 | FlyingPersian | just paranoia :P |
| 21:15.36 | greycat | FlyingPersian: OH, IF IT's sftp ... that's TOTALLY different. |
| 21:15.47 | whislock | paranoia isn't a good security driver. |
| 21:15.53 | greycat | You can use tell sshd to configure for internal-sftp and have THAT be chrooted. |
| 21:16.16 | FlyingPersian | okay the tutorials I found told me to do that as well, but first they chrooted ssh |
| 21:16.22 | bouba | joepublic, just truble with sudo in the command key. |
| 21:16.25 | greycat | internal-sftp doesn't require running a program, so it doesn't need the full unix apparatus for launching dynamically linked ELF executables, shared libs, etc. |
| 21:16.30 | bouba | now is working |
| 21:16.47 | FlyingPersian | I'll read up on it |
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| 21:17.02 | FlyingPersian | thanks |
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| 21:19.21 | bouba | joepublic, my terminal was in root mode . |
| 21:19.46 | bouba | the correct command not support "sudo" |
| 21:20.12 | bouba | joepublic, thx |
| 21:20.21 | joepublic | if you have sudo, then root can sudo. |
| 21:20.36 | joepublic | if you are root, then you automatically should know the status of your sudo |
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| 21:21.22 | somiaj | note sudo isn't installed by default if you assign a password to root in the installer |
| 21:21.34 | somiaj | the installer assumes you want to manage the system as root, not with sudo |
| 21:21.57 | bouba | joepublic, using this command in root mode .. not work in user mode is right. |
| 21:21.59 | bouba | wget -q https://www.virtualbox.org/download/oracle_vbox_2016.asc -O- | sudo apt-key add - |
| 21:22.11 | greycat | if you're already root, just omit the sudo |
| 21:22.19 | joepublic | I use both in different situations. I somehow automatically know which it should be per situation, but couldn't explain why. |
| 21:22.23 | joepublic | right, omit the sudo |
| 21:22.30 | bouba | yes u undesrstand. |
| 21:22.56 | bouba | exuse my bad english. |
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| 21:24.13 | bouba | joepublic, can u speak in french in spannish or in arabic? |
| 21:24.28 | bouba | not i suppose. |
| 21:24.36 | joepublic | There is a #debian-es channel |
| 21:24.45 | greycat | !fr |
| 21:24.46 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. |
| 21:24.50 | bouba | but u can undestand me. |
| 21:24.51 | greycat | since you said french first |
| 21:25.00 | joepublic | Yeah, I understand spanish |
| 21:25.20 | bouba | je ne pourrais pas m'expprimer en anglais correctement. |
| 21:25.45 | bouba | no puedo hablar ingles correctamente. |
| 21:26.48 | joepublic | je ne parle pas francais, y mi castellano apesta tremendamente. But whatever, there are debian channels where people speak both of those languages and speak them well |
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| 21:32.20 | life_SUX | .debhelper i keep getting a blank screen and blinking cursor when i boot (new install of Debian 10) What do i do> |
| 21:32.57 | joepublic | this sounds like a rerun from yesterday |
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| 21:57.44 | life_SUX | bangs his head against a wall |
| 22:02.39 | antto | head: 0, wall: 73 |
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| 22:06.20 | deego | how do i ask apt to prompt y/n before actually executing the apt install a b c d instruction? |
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| 22:11.31 | life_SUX | Damn it, Maybe i ought to just reinstall the OS. |
| 22:12.14 | zalt__ | life_SUX: don't you have your entire / added to a git repository? |
| 22:12.35 | zalt__ | if you had it setup that way, you could easily just git checkout HEAD~1 |
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| 22:12.56 | zalt__ | wtf |
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| 22:13.27 | zalt__ | likes the stupid idea |
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| 22:14.41 | life_SUX | OK,. I |
| 22:15.03 | life_SUX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:17.28 | life_SUX | zalt : i have no idea |
| 22:18.28 | life_SUX | ..perhaps I should of tried a distro that is more 'newbie-freindly" |
| 22:18.42 | zalt | like arch! |
| 22:18.55 | dvs | life_SUX, debian is definitely a tinkerer's distro |
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| 22:19.39 | life_SUX | ok |
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| 22:20.05 | zalt | life_SUX: how did you ruin your debian installation |
| 22:21.13 | life_SUX | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.29 | dvs | ??? |
| 22:21.45 | life_SUX | I think that I set something wrong during the setup |
| 22:22.27 | zalt | wtf |
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| 22:23.13 | life_SUX | It would not allow me it unpack the files onto a USB memory stick |
| 22:24.28 | dvs | unpack? You're just suppose the .iso to the USB drive. |
| 22:24.43 | dvs | supposed to COPY |
| 22:24.52 | life_SUX | It would not let me. |
| 22:25.06 | dvs | What would not let you? |
| 22:25.37 | life_SUX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:26.09 | zalt | wtf |
| 22:26.13 | dvs | The .iso won't prevent the copy. The tool you use to do it might |
| 22:26.47 | life_SUX | I was using windows 7 on another computer |
| 22:27.15 | zalt | serious question: is an operating system installation anything more than a bunch of files? |
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| 22:27.29 | dvs | Dragging the .iso file to a USB drive is not enough. |
| 22:27.30 | zalt | i mean sure in case of bios you need the mbr thing, but that's no longer relevant with uefi |
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| 22:28.10 | zalt | so, is there anything wrong with cp -rP / /mnt/new_system? |
| 22:28.27 | dvs | zalt, life_SUX is using Windows to do it. |
| 22:28.39 | zalt | does the initramfs or something somehow get customized for the machine that it is installed on? |
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| 22:28.54 | zalt | dvs: yeah, my question is not related to what life_SUX is asking about |
| 22:28.55 | life_SUX | on a different computer, NOT the one that i installed Debian |
| 22:29.10 | zalt | life_SUX: you could use rafus or something, it's a tool to "burn" an iso on a usb |
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| 22:30.00 | bouba | rufus |
| 22:30.03 | zalt | ^ |
| 22:30.15 | life_SUX | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.44 | zalt | maybe things were broken, or you installed it as uefi on a system that expects bios or something |
| 22:30.49 | zalt | just use the right tool for the job |
| 22:31.19 | life_SUX | I bwet that is what it is ... Damn it, I will have to reinstall |
| 22:31.30 | dvs | life_SUX, no, you need a tool like rufus or win32diskimager to put the .iso onto a USB drive |
| 22:32.05 | life_SUX | I have a copy pf Rufus. and antoher program, I think... |
| 22:32.11 | life_SUX | ok |
| 22:32.31 | life_SUX | But i did NOT use an USB, I used a DVD disk |
| 22:32.36 | zalt | life_SUX: are you new to linux in general? |
| 22:32.43 | life_SUX | yes. |
| 22:32.58 | zalt | are you planning on dual booting? |
| 22:33.03 | life_SUX | no |
| 22:33.10 | life_SUX | different computers |
| 22:33.16 | zalt | good. then nvm |
| 22:33.27 | dvs | life_SUX, To put it on a DVD, you need to burn it into the disk. |
| 22:34.01 | life_SUX | I did that. That is what i used to install it. |
| 22:34.31 | zalt | life_SUX: a dvd should work fine, that doesn't explain why it's not boooting |
| 22:34.39 | life_SUX | yes, i know. |
| 22:34.51 | zalt | is the target system expecting uefi or bios? |
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| 22:35.16 | life_SUX | it has to be something set incorrectly in the setup. Can't i access the config file, and change it? |
| 22:35.22 | dvs | So it depends where GRUB was installed to |
| 22:35.33 | zalt | you need to boot to the correct installer that matches the type |
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| 22:36.10 | life_SUX | C: drive |
| 22:36.37 | dvs | where on the "C: drive"? |
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| 22:37.06 | life_SUX | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.20 | zalt | that doesn't make sense |
| 22:37.37 | zalt | wonders if life_SUX is trolling |
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| 22:37.52 | bouba | were is grub? |
| 22:37.59 | life_SUX | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.01 | dvs | life_SUX, if Debian is the only OS on the drive then GRUB needs to be installed to the Master Boot Record. |
| 22:38.11 | zalt | dvs: assuming bios |
| 22:38.16 | dvs | true |
| 22:38.27 | zalt | that's the thing, know what kind of system he has |
| 22:38.32 | zalt | life_SUX: what kind of system do you have |
| 22:38.51 | life_SUX | none. the hard drive was wiped |
| 22:38.59 | zalt | can you boot to bios or uefi settings (pressing del or f2 or whatever at boot) |
| 22:39.27 | life_SUX | yes, i can boot to f2, and F12 |
| 22:39.43 | zalt | go there, and check whether it mentions anything about efi or legacy boot |
| 22:40.06 | dvs | is it a fancy graphics screen or simple text? |
| 22:40.15 | zalt | dvs: that's not a good way to tell |
| 22:40.19 | life_SUX | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.02 | dvs | the BIOS setup |
| 22:41.04 | zalt | life_SUX: if there's anything mentioned about uefi or "legacy boot" then it's an uefi system |
| 22:41.07 | dvs | zalt, why not? |
| 22:41.26 | zalt | dvs: there are uefi systems that have silly text based interfaces |
| 22:42.00 | dvs | I guess I'm too used to Asus motherboards |
| 22:42.39 | life_SUX | no. o thought thati had, but I cannot find it.. OK, The boot is set to Legacy |
| 22:42.52 | life_SUX | Should i chanfge it to EEFI? |
| 22:42.59 | life_SUX | change... |
| 22:43.04 | zalt | yes, that's better, there's no reason to use bios |
| 22:43.42 | zalt | change it to that then boot to the uefi debian installer |
| 22:43.52 | life_SUX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:44.25 | life_SUX | OK, it wants to install |
| 22:44.45 | life_SUX | Graphical install, or regualr install? |
| 22:44.59 | zalt | graphical, then follow a guide |
| 22:45.04 | life_SUX | ok |
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| 22:47.13 | life_SUX | OK. Should the hostname be just "debian" ? |
| 22:47.35 | bouba | life_SUX, hhh |
| 22:47.45 | dvs | life_SUX, it can be (almost) whatever you want. |
| 22:47.55 | dvs | life_SUX, it is the "name" of your machine. |
| 22:48.14 | dvs | zalt, there goes the "guide" idea. |
| 22:48.39 | bouba | dvs, swap? |
| 22:49.03 | zalt | life_SUX: i believe there's no reason to fill the channel with simple questions like this, following a guide or a tutorial might is better |
| 22:49.10 | zalt | is not a moderator |
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| 22:49.34 | zalt | s/is/be/ |
| 22:49.35 | bouba | life_SUX, next? |
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| 22:51.11 | zalt | wonders about his own question |
| 22:51.32 | dvs | dvs, what questions? |
| 22:51.43 | zalt | dvs: it's not you who asked the question |
| 22:52.14 | zalt | is an operating system installation anything more than a bunch of files? |
| 22:52.26 | somiaj | zalt: look up the deboostrap method of installing debian |
| 22:52.31 | zalt | is there anything wrong with cp -rP / /mnt/new_system? |
| 22:52.33 | life_SUX | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.46 | somiaj | zalt: you have to bootstrap it or make the kernel bootable, which requires grub, configuring uefi, etc |
| 22:53.01 | dvs | zalt, I'd rather use Clonezilla to do something like that. |
| 22:53.31 | zalt | dvs: i've used such a solution in the past, and i'm wondering whether it could break |
| 22:53.33 | somiaj | zalt: cp -rP will have lots of troubles, you want to also presver file ownership and permissions |
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| 22:53.44 | somiaj | cp -a or rsync -a is what I use when doing that method |
| 22:54.16 | zalt | oh, sorry i thought -P was preserve |
| 22:54.20 | life_SUX | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.37 | somiaj | also realize some of the stuff in / you don't want to copy, such as /dev, /run, and other tmp filsystems |
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| 22:54.53 | zalt | somiaj: what do you need to do in order to make the kernel bootable? |
| 22:55.12 | zalt | i mean on efi systems just a correct efi partition/configuration right? |
| 22:55.17 | dvs | use Clonezilla ;-) |
| 22:55.48 | somiaj | zalt: you have to also talk to the efi firmware to tell it where to look for the .efi file on the partition |
| 22:56.34 | life_SUX | bouba: Should I force EUFI installation?? |
| 22:56.39 | zalt | really?, isn't that just dependent on the fat system directory structure it's on? |
| 22:57.01 | zalt | life_SUX: yes, i guess |
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| 22:57.36 | zalt | somiaj: at installation i think an initramfs is created, does this contain drivers/things that are specific for the operating system it's on? |
| 22:58.04 | zalt | or does linux usually work no matter what (all needed drivers will be there in the kernel itself) |
| 22:58.10 | life_SUX | Should i setup LVM when partitioning the disk? |
| 22:58.13 | somiaj | depends on the options you choose, and what you need in the initramfs |
| 22:59.01 | zalt | somiaj: i have no idea what an initramfs is typically used for |
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| 22:59.23 | somiaj | it contains a small subset of files needed during boot but before the root file system is available |
| 22:59.36 | zalt | and that might include drivers? |
| 22:59.59 | bouba | life_SUX, no lvm . |
| 23:00.08 | somiaj | on basic installs, most modules are already included so you don't often have to include new stuff for a new machine |
| 23:00.20 | life_SUX | bouba; ok, thanks |
| 23:00.20 | somiaj | on more complicated setups with lvm, encryption, and so on, then you need to rebuild it |
| 23:00.49 | somiaj | zalt: it really only needs to contain the modules needed to read the root filesystem, once the kernel can read the root filesystem, it can get everything else form there |
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| 23:01.05 | somiaj | well it does contain other stuff, but stuff that is needed before the root filesystem is mounted and ready |
| 23:01.36 | life_SUX | all the files in ine partion, or seperate home partirtion (or seperate home, var and tmp partitions? |
| 23:01.53 | zalt | life_SUX: i recommend one partition |
| 23:01.58 | life_SUX | ok |
| 23:01.59 | dvs | no way! |
| 23:02.03 | dvs | separate home |
| 23:02.10 | dvs | in case of a crash |
| 23:02.18 | life_SUX | ok. good point. |
| 23:03.43 | life_SUX | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.06 | dvs | life_SUX, it should be the same size as your RAM if you want to use Suspend to Disk. |
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| 23:04.35 | life_SUX | ahh, THAT is why super grub displayed 4 entries ... |
| 23:04.46 | life_SUX | dvs; ok. //off by 1/2 a GB |
| 23:05.22 | dvs | a little more wouldn't hurt |
| 23:05.50 | life_SUX | heh, too late now ..installing the base system |
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| 23:06.41 | life_SUX | i think that the EUFI might of neen what goofed me up (or rather, NOT forcing it to EUFI) |
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| 23:06.46 | bouba | life_SUX, ask no prob. |
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| 23:08.24 | life_SUX | i do appreciate the help. When it comes to Linux, I might as well try to read an alien language. |
| 23:09.20 | bouba | life_SUX, u can read tutorials "install debian in graphical mode" |
| 23:09.29 | life_SUX | digs out his English to Klingon dictionary... |
| 23:10.10 | bouba | life_SUX, u speak french or spannish? |
| 23:10.14 | life_SUX | yeah, i think that I might have that bookmarked. |
| 23:10.18 | life_SUX | nope. |
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| 23:10.47 | bouba | what ur native language? sry |
| 23:10.49 | life_SUX | I stink at C++, python, etc. |
| 23:10.56 | life_SUX | English |
| 23:11.03 | bouba | ok |
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| 23:25.33 | warsoul | hi |
| 23:25.43 | warsoul | i lost the wifi connection |
| 23:25.47 | warsoul | now i cant connect back |
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| 23:27.05 | life_SUX | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.31 | warsoul | i click the network manager on my desktop |
| 23:27.36 | warsoul | but can see my wifi |
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| 23:27.46 | warsoul | have to add a new connection typed manually |
| 23:29.29 | dvs | life_SUX, From the installer? I'd finish the install first before adding packages. |
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| 23:35.09 | warsoul | need help asap |
| 23:35.39 | life_SUX | dvs this is part of the installer Software selection.. You can add different packages later, right? I;ll stick with the desktop enivroment and standard systen utils |
| 23:36.13 | dvs | life_SUX, Yes, I'd leave it at that |
| 23:36.21 | life_SUX | ok |
| 23:39.24 | warsoul | wifi stopped working |
| 23:41.06 | life_SUX | Sorry to hear that .. mine wouldn't work with my cellphone ..damn windows 7 |
| 23:41.31 | life_SUX | ,,,bluetooth, actualy. wifi never wanted to work |
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| 23:48.02 | warsoul | typed |
| 23:48.20 | warsoul | sudo iwlist wlan0 scan | grep -i ssid |
| 23:48.39 | warsoul | wlan0 Interface doenst support scanning. |
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| 23:53.54 | bouba | life_SUX, u can choose ur embeded desktope , gnome kde or xfce. |
| 23:54.05 | bouba | -e |
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