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| 00:55.53 | mmx_in_space | can someone help with ssh server and/or client problem |
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| 01:04.48 | mmx_in_space | i have a debian server running and i try to ssh into it with putty and putty says "Software caused connection abort" |
| 01:06.20 | mmx_in_space | it's like as if it communicates fine with the server for an instant and then doesn't let me even put in username. putty window itself is just blank the whole time |
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| 01:08.28 | mmx_in_space | it's the same error as when connected up and running and all good and then putty gives up continuing for some reason |
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| 01:11.02 | LtL | mmx_in_space: is this putty from a windows box? |
| 01:11.21 | mmx_in_space | LtL: yes |
| 01:12.09 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: may be this can help you to diagnose the problem https://superuser.com/questions/294824/putty-network-error-software-caused-connection-abort/463922#463922 |
| 01:13.00 | LtL | mmx_in_space: i haven't used that in a decade.. but if i recall you can choose a version protocol of ssh in putty, have you looked at the configuration in putty? |
| 01:13.03 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: try to just telnet to the port 22 of that server an see if the connection is stable |
| 01:17.26 | mmx_in_space | LtL: well i tried ssh protocol version 1 and didn't make a difference |
| 01:17.45 | mmx_in_space | trek00: telnet gives same error message |
| 01:17.50 | LtL | mmx_in_space: use two |
| 01:18.01 | mmx_in_space | i did |
| 01:18.04 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: well it seems a problem on the windows side |
| 01:18.05 | mmx_in_space | same thing |
| 01:18.40 | mmx_in_space | it's a cloud image by the way |
| 01:18.46 | mmx_in_space | does that matter? |
| 01:19.08 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: is there another public port that you can telnet to check? like port 80 |
| 01:19.23 | mmx_in_space | cloud-init involved i think which i did not use |
| 01:20.28 | mmx_in_space | actually i'm not familiar with telnet besides knowing it's similar to ssh |
| 01:20.34 | mmx_in_space | um |
| 01:20.46 | mmx_in_space | trek00: |
| 01:21.39 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: you can try telnet host.ip.address 80 |
| 01:21.50 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: if there is a public web site on it |
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| 01:22.20 | mmx_in_space | trek00: it doesn't have a website on it |
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| 01:23.17 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: anyway it seems a network issue, may be a firewall is involved |
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| 01:31.13 | fryguy | so I'm trying to use the Openstack image with an SRIOV ethernet device. I see the device in `lspci` but I don't see any drivers to load for it. virtio_net does not seem to get it, and igb/igbvf (the host-level drivers for it) don't seem to be available either. What driver am I supposed to load? |
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| 01:37.22 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: it's the first boot of that server or you already connected to it? |
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| 01:38.28 | mmx_in_space | trek00: first boot |
| 01:39.00 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: may be you need to open the ssh port on the firewall via the web control panel? |
| 01:39.33 | mmx_in_space | trek00: maybe |
| 01:39.48 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: it's aws? |
| 01:40.00 | mmx_in_space | trek00: it's azure |
| 01:40.03 | mmx_in_space | microsoft |
| 01:40.13 | mmx_in_space | but |
| 01:40.17 | mmx_in_space | no it's not that |
| 01:40.33 | mmx_in_space | it might be debian's firewall that's causing the problem |
| 01:40.51 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: usually debian comes with no firewall installed |
| 01:41.07 | mmx_in_space | i'm not *that* familiar with debian by the way. i'm used to ubuntu though |
| 01:41.13 | mmx_in_space | trying to switch |
| 01:41.20 | mmx_in_space | to debian |
| 01:41.22 | whislock | debian's default configuration is wide open in both directions. |
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| 01:42.14 | mmx_in_space | oh |
| 01:42.15 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: anyway if you can telnet your.host.ip 22 then the network is ok, if not putty or any other ssh client can't connect to it |
| 01:42.41 | whislock | What error are you getting? |
| 01:43.18 | mmx_in_space | maybe something related is that i think i was maybe supposed to use cloud-init for configuration but i used virt-customize instead? |
| 01:43.57 | whislock | That may indeed cause issues, yes. |
| 01:44.11 | whislock | If you're using one of Azure's templates, however, that should already be part of the image. |
| 01:44.26 | trek00 | fryguy: may be it depends on the host configuration try rtl8139 or e1000 or virtio |
| 01:45.48 | trek00 | fryguy: lspci -k says nothing on that device? |
| 01:46.11 | fryguy | trek00: right, it wants to be igbvf for the driver, but that driver doesn't seem to be in the openstack image. |
| 01:47.11 | mmx_in_space | trek00 and whislock: it's actually debian via qemu via azure |
| 01:47.37 | mmx_in_space | windows server 2016 server core VM (azure) |
| 01:48.48 | trek00 | fryguy: but it's a debian image? |
| 01:49.03 | fryguy | trek00: yes |
| 01:49.19 | fryguy | specifically from here: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/openstack/current-10/ |
| 01:49.19 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: well debian is running inside a windows server? |
| 01:49.55 | mmx_in_space | debian is running inside qemu which is running inside a windows server |
| 01:49.59 | trek00 | fryguy: it should contain the igbvf module |
| 01:50.55 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: you need to setup a port forwarding inside the windows server to forward the port 22 from inside debian to external network, if it is what you want to do |
| 01:52.05 | amosbird | hi, are there any other tools that can build debs aside from debuild? |
| 01:52.18 | amosbird | some universal packagers like snap, fpm? |
| 01:52.22 | fryguy | trek00: well, it doesn't seem to. not sure what i'm doing wrong: |
| 01:52.22 | fryguy | modprobe: FATAL: Module igbvf not found in directory /lib/modules/4.19.0-6-cloud-amd64 |
| 01:52.58 | amosbird | I'm trying to find a tool that can understand the debuild logic and package the old one, while has the ability to do new things |
| 01:53.15 | trek00 | fryguy: you're right, not on that image |
| 01:53.48 | fryguy | is it packaged somewhere where I can reinstall it? |
| 01:54.29 | trek00 | fryguy: it is inside linux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64 |
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| 01:55.20 | crestfallen | hi are there encrypted command line email packages for anonymous email |
| 01:55.22 | crestfallen | ? |
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| 01:55.53 | trek00 | crestfallen: mixmaster |
| 01:56.33 | crestfallen | or gui I guess. I thought it would be interesting to do email from the cli. trek00 thanks, is that cool? I don't need absolute security just for emails when people make me mad. :) |
| 01:57.23 | trek00 | crestfallen: mixmaster and mixminion are the most secure anonymous email available |
| 01:58.00 | trek00 | crestfallen: don't abuse it ;) |
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| 01:59.13 | trek00 | amosbird: i don't know any universal packager, but may be you can use different packagers to meet your needs |
| 01:59.14 | crestfallen | trek00, thanks what exactly is this? : Anonymous remailers provide protection against traffic analysis. |
| 01:59.26 | crestfallen | remailer? |
| 01:59.31 | trek00 | crestfallen: if NSA try to spy on you :) |
| 01:59.47 | crestfallen | so go with mixmaster or the other? |
| 01:59.53 | trek00 | crestfallen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remailer |
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| 02:00.33 | tomreyn | how many users doe the remailers have those days? 100? 200? |
| 02:01.26 | crestfallen | tomreyn you're saying people don't use them? why not? |
| 02:01.42 | trek00 | tomreyn: judging the traffic i would bet far more :) |
| 02:01.54 | crestfallen | this I don't understand from wiki: Remailing as discussed in this article applies to e-mails intended for particular recipients, not the general public. |
| 02:02.00 | tomreyn | i haven't seen traffic stats |
| 02:02.13 | trek00 | tomreyn: https://www.tahina.priv.at/~cm/stats/thesaurus/ |
| 02:02.19 | crestfallen | that seems like double-talk |
| 02:02.27 | tomreyn | crestfallen: if you never used it you should at least try. |
| 02:02.31 | crestfallen | above caption |
| 02:02.50 | trek00 | crestfallen: try to install mixmaster and send you a test email :) |
| 02:03.08 | crestfallen | ok thanks I'll try it |
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| 02:03.51 | crestfallen | this is exciting |
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| 02:05.01 | trek00 | crestfallen: sent messages does not always reach the recipient, so you could send multiple messages to be sure it arrives, there is a flag on the client command line |
| 02:05.21 | tomreyn | hmm that's not enough messages to prevent correlation. especially the encrypted ones, |
| 02:05.58 | trek00 | tomreyn: there is, more than with tor at least :) |
| 02:06.21 | tomreyn | maybe i'm reading it wrong. |
| 02:06.47 | trek00 | tomreyn: check the last line of that https://www.tahina.priv.at/~cm/stats/thesaurus/7.stats |
| 02:07.10 | trek00 | tomreyn: 17k messages sent in that day using the mixmaster protocol |
| 02:07.27 | mmx_in_space | trek00: i think there's a significant chance that the server is the problem. i have root access to it by the way |
| 02:07.35 | tomreyn | of which 241 were encrypted? |
| 02:07.53 | crestfallen | so what's the part where it says pgp encry)ption no |
| 02:08.15 | trek00 | tomreyn: not, this is the old protocol, cypherpunks type I, used for the nym server that allows for anonymous replies |
| 02:08.28 | tomreyn | oh i see |
| 02:08.42 | crestfallen | does that toggle? |
| 02:09.14 | trek00 | crestfallen: only if you want to encrypt with the recipient' key |
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| 02:10.19 | crestfallen | the interface is brutal is it some archaic editor? |
| 02:10.29 | crestfallen | I can't get to the body of the email |
| 02:10.51 | trek00 | tomreyn: pool size is the how much emails are retained always on the remailer before to send another message, so this is the anonymous pool |
| 02:11.20 | trek00 | crestfallen: you can send a txt message from the command line, formatted like an email |
| 02:11.38 | trek00 | crestfallen: with headers and message body |
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| 02:12.57 | crestfallen | sorry not getting it. it says I'm in a dot file .Mix/poolxc0aXXX01.txt |
| 02:13.19 | crestfallen | correction : it says I'm in a dot file .Mix/pool/xc0aXXX01.txt |
| 02:13.43 | trek00 | crestfallen: try echo "Hello my friend" | mixmaster -t your@email.address -c 3 -s "Subject of your mail" |
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| 02:16.02 | mmx_in_space | trek00: i think there's a significant chance that the server is the problem. i have root access to it by the way |
| 02:16.31 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: i really don't know the windows environment sorry |
| 02:16.37 | mmx_in_space | what *might* an ssh server's problem be? |
| 02:16.55 | mmx_in_space | i meant the debian server |
| 02:17.10 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: you can actually use a shell inside the debian server? |
| 02:17.15 | mmx_in_space | yes |
| 02:17.30 | mmx_in_space | root |
| 02:17.42 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: well, netstat -tuan | grep 22 |
| 02:18.51 | mmx_in_space | omg |
| 02:19.12 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: it should says 0.0.0.0:22 LISTEN |
| 02:19.14 | crestfallen | trek00, this is what I got with that command but no email received. |
| 02:19.17 | crestfallen | http://paste.debian.net/1103087/ |
| 02:20.03 | mmx_in_space | trek00: i did networkctl and it looks like i only have a loopback adapter running right now |
| 02:21.32 | crestfallen | but I was in the nano type editor trying to use it. it's weird, I couldn't get into the body of email field |
| 02:21.33 | mmx_in_space | all this time. whoops! |
| 02:22.31 | trek00 | crestfallen: checking this bug report, it seems it need to change the configuration https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=919017 |
| 02:22.32 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/919017 in mixmaster (open): «mixmaster: Default updater is broken, update is insecure»; severity: important; opened: 2019-01-11; last modified: 2019-01-11. |
| 02:23.14 | trek00 | crestfallen: the proposed fix is ok |
| 02:24.28 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: may be azure has some manual about their debian images |
| 02:24.35 | crestfallen | so follow instructions above, your link or judd 's trek00 ? |
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| 02:25.18 | trek00 | crestfallen: yes, you need to change SOURCE from noreply to austria in etc/mixmaster/update.conf and then relaunch /etc/cron.daily/mixmaster |
| 02:26.52 | crestfallen | one moment pls |
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| 02:30.31 | mmx_in_space | trek00: how do i check whether or not i have a working ethernet adapter detected? |
| 02:30.55 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: try lspci |
| 02:31.32 | mmx_in_space | command not found |
| 02:31.42 | mmx_in_space | trek00: |
| 02:32.16 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: it seems a broken install |
| 02:32.56 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: how it is supposed to install something on that? |
| 02:33.26 | mmx_in_space | trek00: this is i think a QEMU problem i'm having |
| 02:33.44 | mmx_in_space | no ethernet link shows up when i do networkctl |
| 02:34.12 | mmx_in_space | and/or broken install, yeah |
| 02:34.37 | trek00 | mmx_in_space: may be you need to enable some device configuration on qemu, i'm not familiar |
| 02:35.31 | crestfallen | trek00, when I hit send, I get the error: No reliable remailers! |
| 02:36.17 | trek00 | crestfallen: you need to re-run /etc/cron.daily/mixmaster as root, to update the remailers list |
| 02:36.31 | crestfallen | I wonder if austria should be in double quotes |
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| 02:37.07 | trek00 | crestfallen: probably not, noreply had quotes around? |
| 02:37.14 | crestfallen | yeah I did that trek00 does that sort of command need a dot such as $ sudo ./etc/cron.daily/mixmaster |
| 02:37.36 | crestfallen | no noreply did not |
| 02:37.36 | trek00 | no dot, sudo /etc/cron.daily/mixmaster |
| 02:37.49 | crestfallen | I did that, what a drag, was really excited to use it |
| 02:38.34 | trek00 | crestfallen: i see that mixmaster was removed from the latest debian release, may be it was no more maintained well |
| 02:39.04 | crestfallen | yeah there's also this on the bug page: Check for services that provide the data using |
| 02:39.04 | crestfallen | https as well, and update /etc/mixmaster/allpingers.txt accordingly. |
| 02:39.56 | crestfallen | yeah I think its wonky. the bug page indicated anonymity is not certain, etc |
| 02:40.09 | crestfallen | is there another by chance? |
| 02:40.39 | trek00 | crestfallen: real secure anonymity is a complex thing, warnings are here for that |
| 02:41.08 | crestfallen | really ok. I'll just punch the guy really hard in the arm :) |
| 02:41.21 | trek00 | :D |
| 02:42.23 | trek00 | crestfallen: try to launch mixmaster-update as user |
| 02:42.47 | crestfallen | as user just without sudo you mean? |
| 02:42.52 | trek00 | yes |
| 02:43.04 | crestfallen | ok I just removed it but I'll try again... |
| 02:43.33 | trek00 | crestfallen: uhm sorry it should run |
| 02:43.46 | trek00 | crestfallen: do not reinstall it, i was wrong |
| 02:44.48 | crestfallen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:45.29 | trek00 | crestfallen: if you want to remove the config files, you should purge the package with apt remove --purge mixmaster |
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| 02:48.45 | crestfallen | so I wonder if I should try one more thing : go into allpingers.txt to do some? editing there. see paste http://paste.debian.net/1103088/ |
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| 02:50.10 | trek00 | crestfallen: it should be already ok allpingers |
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| 02:50.49 | crestfallen | this is what allpingers looks like https://termbin.com/bm1t |
| 02:52.55 | trek00 | crestfallen: may be austria needs https here but i'm unsure |
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| 02:53.27 | crestfallen | just add s' all down the line? trek00 |
| 02:53.39 | trek00 | crestfallen: yes |
| 02:53.49 | crestfallen | sweet I'll try it thanks kindly |
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| 02:54.51 | trek00 | :) |
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| 03:00.19 | crestfallen | thanks gotta go trek00 just purged the whole thing. interesting concept though. getting kicked out of cafe.. pax |
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| 03:25.59 | amosbird | Hi, can I run debuild no clean and no build? |
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| 03:35.50 | trek00 | amosbird: you want only extract the source? |
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| 03:41.39 | amosbird | trek00: only package the binary |
| 03:42.55 | trek00 | amosbird: with dpkg-buildpackage -nc it will not try to rebuild the package |
| 03:43.32 | amosbird | oh |
| 03:44.15 | trek00 | amosbird: probably you can do debuild -nc |
| 03:44.58 | amosbird | dpkg-buildpackage only runs the binary projcess? |
| 03:45.02 | amosbird | process* |
| 03:45.41 | trek00 | amosbird: dpkg-buildpackage actually runs make -f debian/rules and then it creates the binary package |
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| 03:46.24 | amosbird | not sure how -nc helps |
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| 03:46.58 | trek00 | amosbird: -nc tells to not do make clean before |
| 03:47.25 | amosbird | is it possible to have make install do hard link instead of cp? |
| 03:47.52 | trek00 | amosbird: i don't think so |
| 03:48.20 | trek00 | amosbird: what are you trying to do? |
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| 03:51.37 | amosbird | nm |
| 03:51.45 | amosbird | btw, can I also bypass the build phase? |
| 03:51.51 | amosbird | -nc bypasses the clean phase |
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| 03:54.59 | trek00 | amosbird: if you want only to create a package you can use dpkg -b directory filename.deb |
| 03:56.00 | trek00 | amosbird: if for example you want to modify a binary package, you can dpkg-deb -R filename.deb directory |
| 03:56.15 | trek00 | amosbird: then modify some of the files and the dpkg -b directory filename.deb |
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| 03:59.35 | amosbird | ah |
| 03:59.49 | amosbird | actually I can just run the rule makefile manually |
| 04:00.13 | amosbird | btw, can I make "debian/rules override_dh_auto_install override_dh_install override_dh_builddeb" run the target one by one? |
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| 04:00.30 | amosbird | heh, ok, I'll write three command |
| 04:00.57 | trek00 | amosbird: sorry i'm not familiar with dh_* |
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| 04:01.44 | amosbird | nm |
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| 04:06.01 | amosbird | dh_gencontrol: chown(0, 0, debian/clickhouse-client/DEBIAN/control): Operation not permitted |
| 04:06.14 | trek00 | amosbird: use fakeroot |
| 04:06.20 | amosbird | ... why does dh_gencontrol try to chown to root? |
| 04:06.55 | trek00 | amosbird: because you want this package installed as root and thus it sets permissions to be archived with tar |
| 04:07.26 | amosbird | that means I need root permission to gencontrol? |
| 04:07.31 | amosbird | that sucks |
| 04:08.06 | trek00 | amosbird: type fakeroot command |
| 04:08.23 | trek00 | amosbird: fakeroot debuild or fakeroot gencontrol |
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| 04:09.16 | amosbird | hmm, fakeroot is able to create files with root permission? |
| 04:09.20 | amosbird | root ownership? |
| 04:09.37 | trek00 | amosbird: not, but it fakes the syscall so the calling program is ok |
| 04:10.02 | trek00 | it's an useful workaround |
| 04:10.30 | amosbird | cool |
| 04:10.55 | amosbird | nice, now it's root clean |
| 04:11.08 | trek00 | :) |
| 04:11.19 | amosbird | heh, debian has a love with makefiles while gentoo like bash/perl |
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| 04:11.46 | trek00 | every distribution has its way |
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| 07:04.12 | amosbird | Hmm, debuild changes the binary's dynamic linking after packaging |
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| 07:36.50 | trek00 | amosbird: probably it strips out debugging symbols |
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| 07:42.33 | no_gravity | This kinda works, but it does not change what is displayed in the start panel: wmctrl -r :ACTIVE: -N "My Title" |
| 07:42.55 | no_gravity | In the panel it still shows "myusername@myhost:/..." |
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| 07:48.27 | kreyren | i want to adapt logic in script (bash) |
| 07:49.17 | ratrace | kreyren: dpkg -l | grep :i386 a quick and dirty way. I'm sure dpkg query might have other filters |
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| 07:50.43 | kreyren | ratrace, using that for the time being, thanks |
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| 07:54.01 | no_gravity | I got it working now! |
| 07:54.03 | no_gravity | My prompt was overwriting it. |
| 07:54.05 | no_gravity | Therefore I did not see the result of the echo with escape chars. |
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| 09:20.36 | TheSilentLink | Hi anyone know the ip to the debian ntp servers? |
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| 09:22.27 | BCMM | TheSilentLink: does debian have its own ntp servers? i thought it just used pool.ntp.org |
| 09:22.31 | ratrace | The0phile: can't you check with `host 0.debian.pool.ntp.org` ? |
| 09:22.41 | ratrace | TheSilentLink: ^^^ (sorry The0phile) |
| 09:23.12 | TheSilentLink | oh thanks so the 4 ips are for the debian servers? |
| 09:24.04 | BCMM | TheSilentLink: yes, sorry. there is 0.debian.pool.ntp.org (and 1,2,3). however, they don't have a single IP address each |
| 09:24.11 | ratrace | TheSilentLink: these are not IPs but hostnames of Debian's ntp.org pool. the pool will give different IP results in different situations |
| 09:24.36 | ratrace | then again, what's your _actual_ problem you want to solve? |
| 09:24.40 | ratrace | !xy |
| 09:24.41 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 09:25.36 | BCMM | from here, it looks like each of those has four different A records, for a total of 16 IP addresses. but it might give different results in different countries, for example |
| 09:26.14 | BCMM | but unless you've decided to operate a machine with no ability to use DNS, i can't see why you'd want to use the IP addresses directly |
| 09:27.15 | TheSilentLink | well I have device where the dns unbound seems to take a while to start and thus it fails to resolve this ips at boot leaving the device with a wrong time and thus unbound stops working |
| 09:27.16 | ratrace | they shouldn't be used directly though. the wole point of the pool is to balance out demand across multiple regions |
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| 09:30.16 | trek00 | TheSilentLink: which ntp client do you use? |
| 09:30.22 | TheSilentLink | systemd-timesyncd |
| 09:30.45 | trek00 | TheSilentLink: sorry i'm not familiar with systemd |
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| 09:31.33 | trek00 | TheSilentLink: anyway it seems to be a startup problem where timesyncd is called before unbound is ready |
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| 09:33.13 | ratrace | but uh.. time shouldn't deadlock like that. unless there's no onboard clock w/ battery so each boot it's back to 1970 |
| 09:34.00 | ratrace | (and then things like DNSSEC fail) |
| 09:34.07 | trek00 | ratrace: unbound does dnssec, thus it could not run fine with a bad clock |
| 09:34.45 | TheSilentLink | yep that is the issue plus it is a raspberry pi 1 model b quite weak and with no onboard clock |
| 09:34.46 | trek00 | may be if timesyncd can be called after unbound.. |
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| 09:35.12 | ratrace | well, altering the service to run After=unbound.service (or whatsitcalled) is doable |
| 09:35.21 | trek00 | good :) |
| 09:35.45 | brutser | two questions, when i boot my real laptop with same install, i get some differences compared to booting same install with qemu: 1. do_irq 1.55 no irq handler for vector < that is related to the hardware im sure, i know it's harmless, but still i want to fix, or at minimum suppress those messages 2. since i have a luks encrypted rootfs, with real |
| 09:35.46 | brutser | hardware it shows: "cryptsetup: waiting for encrypted source device /bla/bla", since i try to obscure the luks encryption, why is this message there on real hardware, but not with qemu? really puzzled by that and no idea how to suppress that right now |
| 09:35.52 | ratrace | I've myself had issues with BIND failing on DNSSEC verifying roots, on boot, because network wasn't ready by the time BIND starts |
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| 09:36.12 | ratrace | I solved this by adding a temporary service that holds boot until gateway is pingable and made bind run After= that one |
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| 09:37.13 | ratrace | I know there's network-online.target but that didn't suffice for some reason |
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| 09:37.28 | ratrace | I literally had to have the gateway pingable before BIND could proceed. |
| 09:38.40 | trek00 | brutser: may be adding noauto to the crypttab entry could remove this "cryptsetup: waiting for encrypted source" message |
| 09:38.59 | brutser | trek00: good idea, i'll try that |
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| 09:39.15 | ratrace | TheSilentLink: another possibility, get time via DHCP? |
| 09:39.46 | TheSilentLink | ratrace: I thought of that but I'm not sure if my dhcp server supports giving out the time |
| 09:40.32 | trek00 | TheSilentLink: may be tell timesyncd to use another dns? |
| 09:41.11 | ratrace | you can use maybe your gateway's IP in the NTP= setting of timesyncd.conf ? |
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| 09:55.21 | BCMM | TheSilentLink: are you just reverting to 1970 each boot? |
| 09:56.06 | BCMM | i thought the usual approach for raspberry pis is to set the clock to whatever time it was at the last shutdown, which isn't *correct* as such, but usually means certificates remain valid at least |
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| 09:56.18 | BCMM | (and also keeps file modification times in the correct order) |
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| 10:00.40 | brutser | trek00: the noauto unfortunately did not suppress it, it's weird that it does not show up in qemu, or is that logical? i have the exact same setup |
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| 10:04.48 | trek00 | brutser: it should suppress it, but may be there is a mount systemd unit file that depend on that encrypted partition? |
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| 10:05.35 | brutser | trek00: but that would be the same when testing in qemu, no? |
| 10:05.41 | trek00 | brutser: yes |
| 10:06.03 | brutser | trek00: that's why i am confused, it's not shown in qemu |
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| 10:06.54 | trek00 | brutser: are you sure it is exactly the same configuration? systemd dependecies too? |
| 10:08.24 | brutser | trek00: most likely not i guess :) but it's a minimal setup with just the luks encryption which i create with some scripts, just on the laptop it's a real physical usb |
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| 10:08.59 | trek00 | brutser: may be the order of udev events are different.. |
| 10:09.22 | brutser | trek00: but it's luks partition without header, so except for crypttab, system cannot know it's some luks device |
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| 10:11.20 | brutser | trek00: but i think the message comes from crypttab now that i think of it, because i address the device there as /dev/disk/by-id/xxx and the message on boot is: cryptsetup: waiting for encrypted source device /dev/disk/by-id/xxx |
| 10:11.44 | brutser | and since header is stored elsewhere, it cannot know it's luks, except for the crypttab |
| 10:12.03 | brutser | so then still i am confused why the difference between qemu and real hardware |
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| 10:17.00 | trek00 | brutser: try to add noauto to the corresponding entry in the fstab |
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| 10:17.28 | brutser | trek00: ok, trying |
| 10:19.13 | brutser | trek00: no still there |
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| 10:19.36 | trek00 | brutser: i think you need a systemd expert to debug this |
| 10:20.22 | brutser | trek00: yes or maybe run in qemu with the usb redirected, so using same real hardware with qemu, then i can at least test more easily |
| 10:20.52 | trek00 | brutser: just for info, do you have cryptsetup-run installed? |
| 10:21.25 | brutser | trek00: yes |
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| 10:22.38 | trek00 | brutser: that was my last chance, i can't help, try to ask again later here |
| 10:23.27 | trek00 | brutser: i think there is some method to know why a service is started by systemd |
| 10:23.28 | brutser | trek00: ok, thanks for your help of course! i think i could look into why it's not showing in qemu, while doing the exact same setup, probably there i can find my answer |
| 10:23.49 | brutser | ok |
| 10:23.53 | trek00 | :) |
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| 10:25.52 | free_speech | this and several other issues are the reasons why I refuse to uslying on systemd ... |
| 10:26.09 | free_speech | *why I refuse to use distributions relying* |
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| 10:26.36 | trek00 | free_speech: on debian you can use the init you want :) |
| 10:26.47 | BCMM | trek00: well, sort of... |
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| 10:27.47 | BCMM | packages are allowed to depend on systemd and not work properly without systemd. it's possible to run an alternative init system with Debian, but let's not downplay the effort required to do so |
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| 10:28.40 | trek00 | BCMM: well there are alternatives to these packages too :) |
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| 10:29.26 | brutser | i have tried void, alpine, but always had other issues with them too that kept me going back to debian |
| 10:29.47 | trek00 | debian rocks! :) |
| 10:30.37 | humpled | \o/ |
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| 10:41.24 | otyugh | Hey |
| 10:41.53 | TheSilentLink | BCMM: it was the last time but unfortunately the pi froze and thus it was 2 hours out of sync |
| 10:41.57 | otyugh | I heard there was a new calamares installer from buster. I tried a few .iso image and couldn't find out |
| 10:42.12 | otyugh | could you point me what I'm missing ? |
| 10:43.11 | trek00 | otyugh: may be you can use it only on live images |
| 10:45.27 | trek00 | TheSilentLink: you fixed the issue? |
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| 10:50.54 | Toto21 | Hello |
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| 10:51.11 | free_speech | brutser, my laptop runs devuan, my tower-PC (yet) runs debian, but it will also be switched to devuan during the next week ... |
| 10:52.27 | Toto21 | I have upgraded from debian 9 vps to debian 10 dedicated server and I don't understand why my iptables script is not working anymore in /etc/init.d but if I move the script to /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ then it is working ? |
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| 10:53.35 | TheSilentLink | trek00: well for now I have set the ip of the ntp server |
| 10:53.37 | ratrace | Toto21: what iptables script would that be? |
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| 10:54.12 | trek00 | TheSilentLink: it's a workaround at least |
| 10:54.56 | trek00 | Toto21: you can see if it's called at boot? |
| 10:56.13 | Toto21 | ratrace : something like "iptables -t filter -P INPUT DROP....." |
| 10:57.00 | trek00 | Toto21: may be you need to run systemd-sysv-generator |
| 10:57.41 | Toto21 | trek00 how can you know if it is called at boot ? I did "update-rc.d firewall defaults |
| 10:58.14 | trek00 | Toto21: you could add an echo "FIREWALL RUN HERE" in your script |
| 10:58.41 | Toto21 | then I will see in syslog ? |
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| 10:59.08 | trek00 | Toto21: not, on the console, to see in syslog you should add: logger "FIREWALL RUN HERE" |
| 10:59.29 | ratrace | Toto21: you can use iptables-persistent and put your rules under /etc/iptables/rules.v{4,6} |
| 10:59.40 | Toto21 | but if it is in init.d ? then I have no console ? |
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| 10:59.51 | ratrace | i'm not aware which debian package installs an iptables init script, so I'm guessing that's somethign custom? |
| 11:02.56 | trek00 | ratrace: just to know, systemd launch all init.d services or they need to be enabled? |
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| 11:04.01 | Toto21 | the thing is I would like to keep the same script, maybe it is fine to keep it in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ ( https://wiki.debian.org/iptables ) but I was just wondering why the same script was working before in /etc/init.d on debian 9 vps |
| 11:04.36 | trek00 | Toto21: do you still have access to debian 9 server? |
| 11:04.39 | ratrace | trek00: if there's no corresponding systemd unit, afaik the init.d script, if it exists, will be converted through a generator |
| 11:05.00 | ratrace | trek00: not sure how enable/disable interacts with that though |
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| 11:05.35 | ratrace | Toto21: can you define "not working" really? does it not start? does it start but errors out on other things? |
| 11:05.47 | trek00 | ratrace: ok, thanks |
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| 11:08.14 | Toto21 | retrace not working for the moment means I have no rule when I do "iptables -L" after reboot |
| 11:08.16 | trek00 | Toto21: anyway putting it in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d it's ok, may be the init environment is different from one server to another |
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| 11:09.42 | Toto21 | ratrace I added at the end of the script "logger "FIREWALL RUN HERE"" but after reboot there is nothing doing "grep 'FIREWALL' /var/log/syslog" |
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| 11:12.09 | Toto21 | it seems like the script is not called at startup ? |
| 11:12.22 | trek00 | Toto21: right |
| 11:13.41 | ratrace | trek00: I'd recommend you turn that script into a proper systemd service unit. I personally don't care about troubleshooting sysv any more, after so many years of doing that. :) |
| 11:14.26 | trek00 | Toto21: try to do on both servers: dpkg -l | grep systemd-sysv |
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| 11:16.30 | Toto21 | "update-rc.d firewall defaults" is not working anymore on debian 10 ? |
| 11:16.39 | Toto21 | how can you list the result of this command ? |
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| 11:17.30 | no_gravity | How can I make my PROMPT_COMMAND show the current directory name? I mean if the path is /some/great/dingdong, I want to show it "dingdong". |
| 11:17.46 | trek00 | no_gravity: $PWD |
| 11:17.57 | no_gravity | trek00: Yeah, that gives me the path. |
| 11:18.04 | trek00 | Toto21: may be it is no more running with systemd |
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| 11:18.12 | Habbie | no_gravity, 'basename' |
| 11:18.13 | no_gravity | trek00: But how do I cut everything except the current dir? |
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| 11:18.32 | Toto21 | trek00 on the server where it is not working I have result for "dpkg -l | grep systemd-sysv" and on the server working I have no result |
| 11:18.38 | Habbie | no_gravity, man bash mentions \W for PS1 |
| 11:18.54 | no_gravity | Habbie: Yeah, but that does not work for PROMPT_COMMAND |
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| 11:19.12 | trek00 | Toto21: that's what i was suspecting, systemd is no more handling init.d scripts |
| 11:19.18 | Habbie | no_gravity, which one, \W? then basename, or magic bash string processing |
| 11:19.21 | Toto21 | trek00 the result of the command on the server where it is not working "ii systemd-sysv 241-7~deb10u1 amd64 system and service manager - SysV links" |
| 11:19.31 | trek00 | no_gravity: try $(basename $PWD) |
| 11:19.35 | no_gravity | Habbie: I actually use \W in my PS1 and want the same for my prompt command so I can set the window title to the same. |
| 11:19.39 | no_gravity | trek00: Lemme try that ... |
| 11:19.50 | Habbie | that would work |
| 11:19.55 | Habbie | with a fork+exec |
| 11:20.08 | Toto21 | oo systemd is no more handling startup script ? so who is doing it ? do you have any tutorial ? |
| 11:21.10 | trek00 | no_gravity: has habbie said this is not optimal, try echo ${PWD##*/} |
| 11:21.22 | Toto21 | trek00 how do you know with your command that systemd is not more handling it ? |
| 11:21.44 | ratrace | Toto21: in the time you spent here fighting with broken sysv, you could've written a service unit and be done with it :) |
| 11:21.51 | no_gravity | trek00: ok |
| 11:21.56 | trek00 | Toto21: with that command i only know that the working server haven't systemd |
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| 11:22.31 | Alina-malina | does debian comes with curl built in? |
| 11:22.47 | no_gravity | trek00: Looks good! This is my pc now: PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;${PWD##*/}/\007"' |
| 11:23.13 | no_gravity | So when I am in "/cooli/dooli/" it shows "dooli/" in the window title. |
| 11:23.49 | trek00 | no_gravity: i wonder why this is working no more on my rxvt |
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| 11:24.21 | no_gravity | And more importantly it shows "dooli/" on the panel. (Or what is that list of windows on the bottom of the screen called?) |
| 11:24.26 | trek00 | Alina-malina: no, you must install it |
| 11:24.40 | Alina-malina | oh ok thanks, trek00 |
| 11:24.43 | trek00 | Alina-malina: apt install curl |
| 11:24.50 | Alina-malina | <3 |
| 11:25.50 | no_gravity | Can I make Debian *not* add (as superuser) when I am root? |
| 11:25.57 | trek00 | Toto21: you can try to call you script from inside rc.local, check this https://www.linuxbabe.com/linux-server/how-to-enable-etcrc-local-with-systemd |
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| 11:26.40 | trek00 | no_gravity: not add what? |
| 11:27.11 | Toto21 | trek00 I think I better stick with systemd and write a service unit file |
| 11:27.14 | no_gravity | trek00: It adds "(as superuser)" to my window title. |
| 11:27.43 | trek00 | Toto21: yes :) |
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| 11:28.39 | trek00 | no_gravity: add to your root .bashrc: PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;${PWD##*/} (as superuser)/\007"' |
| 11:29.34 | no_gravity | trek00: I want it to *not* add that. |
| 11:29.47 | no_gravity | trek00: Somehow debian (gnome? mate?) adds it automatically. |
| 11:29.48 | trek00 | no_gravity: sorry |
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| 11:30.18 | trek00 | no_gravity: i don't know this one |
| 11:32.11 | no_gravity | trek00: Ok. Thanks for the help! I got a nice step forward with my dev environment. |
| 11:32.18 | trek00 | :) |
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| 11:50.29 | geoff343 | #help |
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| 11:50.55 | trek00 | !ask geoff343 |
| 11:50.59 | trek00 | !ask |
| 11:50.59 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 13:12.27 | amosbird | trek00: the dynamic linker changes |
| 13:13.43 | trek00 | amosbird: may be you can override it with LD=/path/your/ld debuild |
| 13:15.27 | amosbird | trek00: hmm, dpkg-deb shouldn't call ld |
| 13:16.17 | trek00 | amosbird: right |
| 13:16.24 | amosbird | it's just a compression process |
| 13:16.53 | amosbird | and it changes the interpreter |
| 13:17.32 | amosbird | I've browsed the code base but don't find anything related to interp |
| 13:17.47 | trek00 | amosbird: what interpreter? |
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| 13:19.28 | trek00 | which |
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| 13:36.24 | amosbird | trek00: it should be /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 |
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| 13:36.49 | amosbird | but it changes to my local interp => /home/amos/gentoo/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f2e12f91000) when packaing |
| 13:36.53 | amosbird | that doesn't make any sense to me |
| 13:37.17 | amosbird | the pre-packaging binary in the fakeroot env still has the right interp which is /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 |
| 13:37.36 | amosbird | but after built into a deb, uncompressed it, suddenly the interp changes to /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 => /home/amos/gentoo/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f2e12f91000) |
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| 13:42.35 | trek00 | amosbird: are you checking with ldd on a clean environment? |
| 13:42.44 | amosbird | trek00: /usr/bin/ldd |
| 13:42.53 | amosbird | I'm aware of that ldd trick |
| 13:42.59 | amosbird | but compression? |
| 13:43.05 | amosbird | that doesn't make any sense |
| 13:44.00 | brutser | how to explain, with qemu minimal setup debian with luks rootfs, show on boot nothing, but when doing the exact same setup on laptop, it shows "cryptsetup: Waiing for encrypted source device /dev/disk/by-id/xxx" i have exact same line in crypttab - i even have detached header, only crypttab can know it is luks rootfs and i put in crypttab "noauto" |
| 13:44.00 | brutser | :S (trek00 < you can ignore lol) |
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| 13:49.35 | trek00 | amosbird: ldd read environment variables like LD_LIBRARY_PATH, so the environment must be clean or you should directly inspect the binary file (something like strings filename | less) |
| 13:50.16 | amosbird | trek00: it's clean |
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| 13:50.44 | amosbird | trek00: I'm sure the outcome deb package is broken. I've shipped it and it breaks the host |
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| 13:52.17 | trek00 | amosbird: sorry i never had this problem, it never changed binary files when using dpkg-deb |
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| 13:52.40 | amosbird | trek00: yes, it shouldn't |
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| 13:52.47 | amosbird | I have no idea what's going wrong |
| 13:54.48 | trek00 | amosbird: i use dpkg -b to build packages but it should be the same as dpkg-deb |
| 13:55.23 | amosbird | you remind me of something |
| 13:55.26 | amosbird | I should do a strace |
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| 14:04.18 | ws2k3 | i j ust upgraded debian 8 to 9 and 9 to 10 and now i get php: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4: version `CURL_OPENSSL_3' not found (required by php) |
| 14:04.22 | ws2k3 | when i run php |
| 14:05.07 | amosbird | hmm, how can I unzip a package with dpkg-deb -Z none ? |
| 14:07.14 | trek00 | amosbird: decompressing should be handled by dpkg-deb -R |
| 14:08.36 | trek00 | ws2k3: probably some package is not updated, may be there is no more a package named like that on the current debian release |
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| 14:09.49 | ws2k3 | trek00 well i already tryed different things but the error wont go away |
| 14:10.05 | ws2k3 | trek00 i already removed the php-curl but the error is still there |
| 14:10.50 | trek00 | ws2k3: try check dpkg -l | grep ^..r |
| 14:11.35 | ws2k3 | trek00 no result |
| 14:11.58 | trek00 | ws2k3: are you familiar with aptitude? |
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| 14:12.47 | ws2k3 | trek00 a bit yes |
| 14:13.06 | trek00 | ws2k3: i found a command line too: aptitude search '~o' |
| 14:13.35 | trek00 | ws2k3: may be this will list old packages that still installed |
| 14:14.12 | kreyren | i'm getting `configure: error: FreeType 64-bit development files not found. Fonts will not be built.` on debian what package do i need for it? |
| 14:14.15 | kreyren | (building wine) |
| 14:14.53 | trek00 | kreyren: libfreetype6-dev |
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| 14:16.05 | kreyren | trek00, same issue |
| 14:16.30 | kreyren | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.47 | kreyren | symlinking to /usr/include/freetype same issue |
| 14:17.18 | amosbird | trek00: isn't -x? |
| 14:17.28 | amosbird | well, strace shows nothing suspicious |
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| 14:17.38 | trek00 | kreyren: are you building the debian source package or something else? |
| 14:18.13 | trek00 | amosbird: -x don't extract the DEBIAN directory |
| 14:18.14 | kreyren | trek00, something else (wine from source winehq) |
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| 14:18.58 | trek00 | kreyren: may be you can find useful to install all the build dependencies of the debian source package: apt build-dep wine |
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| 14:19.58 | kreyren | trying |
| 14:20.01 | trek00 | kreyren: in any case you should rerun the configure script |
| 14:20.33 | amosbird | trek00: ok |
| 14:20.34 | kreyren | trek00, this is configuration script i didn't tried to build it yet |
| 14:20.44 | trek00 | amosbird: -x for install -R for development |
| 14:20.48 | amosbird | thanks |
| 14:20.58 | amosbird | debian/tmp/usr/bin/clickhouse: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 3.2.0, stripped |
| 14:21.00 | kreyren | waits for apt to install deps |
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| 14:21.41 | trek00 | amosbird: what it was wrong? |
| 14:21.42 | amosbird | debian/clickhouse-common-static/usr/bin/clickhouse: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /home/amos/gentoo/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 3.2.0, stripped |
| 14:21.46 | amosbird | this |
| 14:21.49 | amosbird | after packaged |
| 14:22.01 | trek00 | amosbird: ah |
| 14:22.05 | amosbird | !!! |
| 14:22.05 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 14:22.10 | amosbird | I think I might nail it |
| 14:22.18 | ws2k3 | trek00 i think it seriously broken |
| 14:22.30 | ws2k3 | when i do apt-get remove php-cli and then install it again i get bash: /usr/local/bin/php: No such file or directory |
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| 14:23.12 | trek00 | ws2k3: may be you have installed some not official debian packges? |
| 14:23.34 | amosbird | trek00: can I have dpkg-deb not invoking strip? |
| 14:23.40 | ws2k3 | trek000 no its from the official debian repo |
| 14:23.56 | kreyren | trek00, thanks that worked |
| 14:24.10 | trek00 | amosbird: dpkg-deb should not call strip, it should be a thing of dpkg-buildpackage |
| 14:24.25 | amosbird | hmmmmmmmm |
| 14:24.26 | trek00 | kreyren: :) |
| 14:25.14 | amosbird | well, doesn't related to strip......... |
| 14:25.17 | amosbird | ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 14:25.49 | pierrot | Hello. I've updated Debian 9 to Debian 10 buster but I'm now I'm getting some errors at boot time. |
| 14:25.56 | trek00 | ws2k3: i don't know from where is coming /usr/local/bin/php it should be /usr/bin/php |
| 14:26.53 | trek00 | amosbird: it seems to me something related to environment variables like PATH, LD_PRELOAD, LD_LIBRARY_PATH, PKG_CONFIG, LD, CC, AR |
| 14:27.29 | amosbird | but.... strace shows nothing |
| 14:27.37 | amosbird | it only execve is tar |
| 14:27.50 | amosbird | and I've manually tarred it, interp is intact |
| 14:28.29 | amosbird | how the heck can "dpkg-deb -Z none --build debian/clickhouse-common-static" changes the interp section of the binaries inside? |
| 14:29.11 | pierrot | this is the dmesg's log : http://fpaste.scsys.co.uk/586164 |
| 14:29.12 | trek00 | amosbird: what it says? strings filename | grep ld-linux |
| 14:29.57 | ws2k3 | amosbird jeej clickhouse rocks |
| 14:30.02 | amosbird | trek00: https://la.wentropy.com/j-S9 |
| 14:30.04 | pierrot | it boots succesfully despite those errors but I'd like to know what they are and how can I avoid them |
| 14:30.28 | ws2k3 | trek00 i think previously a compiled php was on this system |
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| 14:31.09 | trek00 | amosbird: really strange to me |
| 14:31.28 | amosbird | trek00: exactly |
| 14:31.37 | amosbird | it makes no sense at all... |
| 14:31.39 | trek00 | ws2k3: you need to fix it manually i think |
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| 14:32.50 | amosbird | trek00: wait a sec! |
| 14:32.52 | trek00 | pierrot: is there any file like that? /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules.dpkg* |
| 14:33.01 | amosbird | why does the final binary miss this line? -s -Wl,-I/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 -fuse-ld=gold -rdynamic -Wl,--no-undefined |
| 14:33.17 | amosbird | the binary is definitely being tweaked |
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| 14:34.18 | trek00 | amosbird: something weird is happening, i would try on another machine, or at least another user |
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| 14:34.49 | amosbird | btw, will there be any hooks running after dpkg-deb? |
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| 14:35.13 | trek00 | amosbird: you can try to call it manually |
| 14:35.16 | pierrot | trek00 : no, there's a file which name is /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules |
| 14:35.16 | amosbird | I do |
| 14:35.22 | amosbird | trek00: oh, there is this : export DEB_BUILD_MAINT_OPTIONS=hardening=+all,-pie |
| 14:35.26 | amosbird | hardening? |
| 14:35.31 | amosbird | what does that do |
| 14:35.40 | trek00 | amosbird: try to comment it out |
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| 14:36.11 | amosbird | doesn't work |
| 14:36.13 | amosbird | ... |
| 14:36.55 | trek00 | pierrot: try grep operation /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules |
| 14:37.30 | trek00 | amosbird: or remove it :) |
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| 14:38.24 | pierrot | trek00 : do you mean `grep operation /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules` ? |
| 14:38.33 | trek00 | pierrot: yes |
| 14:38.45 | pierrot | trek00 : there's no output |
| 14:38.53 | amosbird | trek00: ....... |
| 14:39.30 | trek00 | pierrot: debsums -ca udev |
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| 14:39.47 | trek00 | amosbird: what? |
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| 14:39.56 | amosbird | remove what |
| 14:39.57 | pierrot | it seems that I don't have `debsums` |
| 14:40.12 | trek00 | amosbird: export DEB_BUILD_MAINT_OPTIONS=hardening=+all,-pie |
| 14:40.12 | sear | ciao |
| 14:40.23 | amosbird | trek00: how is remove different from comment? |
| 14:40.30 | sear | !list |
| 14:40.30 | dpkg | sear: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 14:41.24 | amosbird | actually, is there any other case that the binary changed after dpkg-deb? |
| 14:41.30 | amosbird | the md5sum is different |
| 14:41.35 | trek00 | pierrot: may be it is a bug on udev https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/11720 |
| 14:41.39 | amosbird | I'm not sure if that even works |
| 14:42.36 | pierrot | trek00 : ah, ok. thanks |
| 14:42.42 | pierrot | trek00 : what about the other errors? |
| 14:43.18 | trek00 | amosbird: i routinely do without any binary modification: dpkg-deb -R file.deb dir; sed -i 's/something/somethat/g' dir/DEBIAN/control; dpkg -b dir file.deb |
| 14:43.38 | pierrot | debian also does a filesystem check whenever I boot. I don't know if that's normal |
| 14:43.52 | dak | lol |
| 14:43.59 | trek00 | pierrot: this may be you should disable secure boot: Problem loading UEFI:db X.509 certificate (-65) |
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| 14:44.42 | pierrot | hmmm Why should I disable it? I was enabled when I had Debian 9 |
| 14:44.55 | pierrot | It* |
| 14:45.53 | dak | you should goread about why... |
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| 14:46.57 | f8e3 | how to print the MB memory usage of process? i have ps -p 14554 -o %cpu,%mem,cmd with weird % |
| 14:47.16 | amosbird | trek00: I assume dpkg -b = dpkg-deb? |
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| 14:47.54 | trek00 | amosbird: they should be the same, but test it to be sure |
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| 14:48.34 | trek00 | anyway i must go away now, bye to all! |
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| 15:00.24 | dob1 | hi, given an iptable rule, can I delete from a chain all the rules that match this rule? now using -D It delets just one |
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| 15:02.54 | ratrace | dob1: you can iptables-save into a file, sed, vim, nano or edit however you want that file, then iptables-restore it |
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| 15:04.40 | dob1 | ratrace, then I would prefer to loop iptables -D rule until I got the error of no rule, but how can I detect the error? |
| 15:04.42 | TvL2386 | dob1: maybe script it? |
| 15:05.38 | dob1 | I don't know if I am clear :) |
| 15:06.19 | TvL2386 | dob1: insert mutiple test rules: for i in 1 2 3 ; do iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.1/32 ; done |
| 15:06.27 | TvL2386 | dob1: remove them: while true ; do iptables -D FORWARD -s 192.168.0.1/32 || break ; done |
| 15:06.32 | ratrace | dob1: test the exit code of iptables -D ? |
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| 15:08.27 | dob1 | iptables -D FORWARD -s 192.168.0.1/32 this will return 0 when it is ok, so it execute the break or am I wrong? |
| 15:08.54 | format_c | the return variable of the last command is stored in $? in bash. |
| 15:09.04 | TvL2386 | dob1: the break is executed if the `iptables -D` has a non zero exit status |
| 15:09.17 | TvL2386 | so it breaks the loop if no rules are removed |
| 15:09.49 | dob1 | it's not short-circuit ? |
| 15:10.04 | TvL2386 | not sure what you mean, it does exactly what you want right :) |
| 15:10.05 | TvL2386 | try it |
| 15:10.08 | TvL2386 | I tested it :) |
| 15:10.15 | dob1 | ok I try :) |
| 15:10.46 | ratrace | this reeks of XY though |
| 15:10.52 | ratrace | !xy |
| 15:10.53 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 15:11.09 | TvL2386 | true ratrace. I have no clue why this needs to be done :) |
| 15:12.05 | dob1 | I am executing a cron job that insert a rule, do something and then remove the rule. but I want to be sure that the rule is removed at the end. if for example the cron job is interrupet at the next iteration the rule is not removed (just one) |
| 15:12.13 | TvL2386 | dob1: If you want to squelch the error you get on the last iteration (iptables: Bad rule (does a matching rule exist in that chain?).) just do `while true ; do iptables -D FORWARD -s 192.168.0.1/32 2>/dev/null || break ; done` |
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| 15:13.12 | dob1 | I got it, thanks |
| 15:13.45 | TvL2386 | dob1: iptables has -C: Check whether a rule matching the specification does exist in the selected chain. This.... |
| 15:13.49 | TvL2386 | maybe it has what you need |
| 15:13.54 | TvL2386 | so you can prevent inserting a duplicate |
| 15:14.00 | dob1 | TvL2386, but I have to remove it anyway |
| 15:14.01 | ratrace | dob1: can you use chains and them simply empty it before insertion of another rule? |
| 15:14.16 | TvL2386 | yeah, but removing 1 is always the case if you don't insert duplicates |
| 15:14.17 | dob1 | ratrace, create a particular chain and then -F ? |
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| 15:14.21 | ratrace | ya |
| 15:14.30 | dob1 | ratrace, you right :) |
| 15:14.49 | TvL2386 | many solutions :) |
| 15:14.53 | dob1 | ratrace, but I have to remove the rule in the main chain too, the rule tha redirect to the new chain |
| 15:15.21 | dob1 | so it's the same |
| 15:15.23 | ratrace | depends, maybe you can have a generic rule that puts packets in that chain? |
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| 15:15.50 | dob1 | ratrace, I have to think about it but it becomes complicated I think |
| 15:16.49 | dob1 | it's not the best one, but the loop until error that TvL2386 suggested works |
| 15:17.05 | ratrace | dob1: anotehr way to mass delete, use rule numbers, grep and xargs magic to make a deletion list |
| 15:17.12 | TvL2386 | w00t? Not the best one? Agree to disagree :-p |
| 15:17.51 | dob1 | ratrace, so at this point there will be some libraries, for example for python or perl, to interact with iptables rules? |
| 15:17.58 | TvL2386 | dob1: if you have your ruleset somewhere in a file, you could restore the ruleset to pristine state |
| 15:18.48 | ratrace | dob1: maybe. can you give an example of what _exactly_ you're doing? from insertion to deletion? |
| 15:18.48 | dob1 | TvL2386, it could be a solution too, but I don't like. maybe someone else added a rule |
| 15:19.16 | dob1 | ratrace, it's a simple rule on OUTPUT chain, nothing special |
| 15:19.25 | dob1 | ratrace, it blocks the traffic from an ip |
| 15:19.28 | dob1 | *to |
| 15:19.34 | TvL2386 | dob1: that's true, I'd use -C to check if it already exists. As you are afraid of inserting duplicates, this would prevent that situation |
| 15:19.51 | TvL2386 | and if it's prevented, you don't need some loop to make sure it's clean |
| 15:20.22 | ratrace | dob1: just that? use ipsets then? |
| 15:20.31 | TvL2386 | so: iptables -C FORWARD -s 192.168.0.1/32 || iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.1/32 ; finalizer: iptables -D FORWARD -s 192.168.0.1/32 |
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| 15:22.30 | TvL2386 | kiss |
| 15:22.32 | dob1 | ratrace, I don't know it, it's not even installed |
| 15:23.04 | ratrace | dob1: well if all you do is add or delete IP addresses, then ipsets is really the best solution here |
| 15:23.11 | dob1 | but anyway you game me the ideas, I know how to handle the case now :) |
| 15:23.15 | dob1 | *gave |
| 15:23.37 | dob1 | i will take a look |
| 15:24.05 | ratrace | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ipset |
| 15:24.25 | ratrace | ipset has a "test" command that tests if an ip is in the set |
| 15:25.20 | ratrace | and of course you can have multiple ipsets, you can work with subnets and not just individual IPs, and many other nifty things |
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| 15:25.42 | dob1 | it seems ok |
| 15:26.33 | TvL2386 | ipset is awesome. Only thing that holds me back to using it, if not really necessary, is that it's an additional tool you need to use |
| 15:26.43 | ratrace | it's also way faster than having individual iptables rules for each IP |
| 15:27.10 | TvL2386 | yes, and if you have a mountain of ip addresses/subnets... You need ipset for performance |
| 15:27.17 | ratrace | ya |
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| 15:32.17 | elmariachi | selam |
| 15:32.46 | elmariachi | ki |
| 15:32.49 | elmariachi | hello |
| 15:32.54 | elmariachi | whats up |
| 15:32.59 | elmariachi | how are you |
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| 15:34.00 | TvL2386 | I'm looking for a transparent http/https proxy that can proxy based on HOST header or TLS servername. Reason why is because I have one public ip, don't want other ports than 80 and 443. Looking at mitmproxy... |
| 15:35.18 | elmariachi | ne diyon :)) |
| 15:35.32 | dfsg | Hi everyone. I'm a little lost in the documentation about luks and Debian installer. Can someone tell me (or point me the docs) how to open a luks in debian installer? (cryptsetup not found in ash) |
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| 15:43.42 | asymptotically | TvL2386: if you're still looking, hitch is nice https://github.com/varnish/hitch |
| 15:44.01 | TvL2386 | still looking yeah! Thanks! |
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| 15:44.54 | asymptotically | it doesn't understand http so can't do based on host header, but it can do SNI to select the certificate |
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| 15:55.26 | f8e3 | how to make CONFIG global var avail to module2? |
| 15:57.42 | f8e3 | ok:https://docs.python.org/3/faq/programming.html#how-do-i-share-global-variables-across-modules |
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| 16:07.41 | ratrace | f8e3: there's #python too, you know |
| 16:07.50 | f8e3 | why should i use any config yaml/toml stuff if there is config.py, i think since 10min and dunno why? |
| 16:08.00 | f8e3 | oh sorry |
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| 16:29.09 | user99 | Linux debian 4.19.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.67-2+deb10u1 (2019-09-20) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 16:30.53 | horribleprogram | I swear to god I've been trying to format this USB to work for 2 weeks now |
| 16:31.48 | humpled | horribleprogram! |
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| 16:32.59 | horribleprogram | A storage device, let's pretend it's /dev/sdb is broken up into different partitions, named /dev/sdb1, /dev/sdb2, etc. |
| 16:34.31 | horribleprogram | A non-bootable storage device such as a USB drive should not have a EFI partition right? |
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| 16:36.49 | horribleprogram | or does every storage device have atleast 2 partitions, one holding the partition table, and the other ones holding data? |
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| 16:50.29 | amosbird | what command uses clickhouse-server.postinst? |
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| 16:50.51 | LtL | user99: uname is in the coreutils package. it is not invoked with a slash. |
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| 16:52.59 | user99 | kk |
| 16:53.08 | user99 | been a bit |
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| 16:55.25 | user99 | but just fyi the issue was uname usage and the slash and not exec |
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| 16:57.33 | user99 | nm |
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| 16:58.11 | user99 | reading w/o seeing |
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| 17:03.25 | brutser | how to explain, with qemu minimal setup debian with luks rootfs, show on boot nothing, but when doing the exact same setup on laptop, it shows "cryptsetup: Waiing for encrypted source device /dev/disk/by-id/xxx" i have exact same line in crypttab - i even have detached header, only crypttab can know it is luks rootfs and i put in crypttab "noauto" |
| 17:03.25 | brutser | :S (trek00 < you can ignore lol) |
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| 17:05.51 | user99 | Linux debian 4.19.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.67-2+deb10u1 (2019-09-20) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:10.12 | brutser | trek00: you still around maybe? |
| 17:10.37 | brutser | i think it might be because it's trying to mount the device during boot, since it is a usb device |
| 17:10.52 | brutser | can i disable mount for a particular device? |
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| 17:12.33 | brutser | ah no, we already attempted that with fstab setting |
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| 18:15.22 | NetTerminalGene | is it safe to use this command? "sudo apt-get clean" |
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| 18:18.05 | dob1 | NetTerminalGene, depends, the next time you want to install a removed package it will download it again |
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| 18:25.21 | Tom-_ | NetTerminalGene, yeah it's normally safe |
| 18:25.55 | NetTerminalGene | ok. i used it |
| 18:26.16 | NetTerminalGene | i saved about 2gb |
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| 18:31.45 | brutser | i really don't get it, in fstab i have /dev/mapper/vgroot-root / ext4 errors=remount-ro,noauto 0 1 ......... and in crypttab i have luks /dev/disk/by-id/xxxx luks,noauto ..... and still when i boot it shows "cryptsetup: Waiing for encrypted source device /dev/disk/by-id/xxx" - i even have detached header, only crypttab can know it is luks rootfs |
| 18:31.46 | brutser | and i put in crypttab "noauto" :S also in qemu this prompt does not come during boot.. what other place can i need to look?? it's debian 10 minimal with only the luks setup, no other stuff installed |
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| 19:36.41 | karlpinc | brutser: Has the initramfs been rebuilt so that it sees the "new" crypttab? (Thinking out loud here.) |
| 19:37.33 | Eightynine | Is there multithreading and parallelism in any Linux project (I mean the core itself and other software)? |
| 19:38.37 | karlpinc | Eightynine: Of course. |
| 19:39.16 | Eightynine | And what about Gnome (the shell and apps)? |
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| 19:41.11 | karlpinc | Are you asking about bash? I believe it is single threaded. Bash supports multiple concurrent processes. What are you really trying to ask? |
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| 19:41.32 | telmich | good evening |
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| 19:41.59 | telmich | I have a "funny" notebook and a "funny" situation: most linux distros failed to launch the installer, however the installer of debian 10 was loaded fine |
| 19:42.02 | Eightynine | karlpinc No, I mean Gnome Shell. |
| 19:42.17 | telmich | however when trying to boot after the installation, debian 10 also hangs during startup |
| 19:42.30 | karlpinc | Eightynine: I don't know what that is. |
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| 19:43.14 | karlpinc | telmich: Did you use the unofficial install images containing non-free firmware? (I always ask this because some hardware requires non-free firmware to work.) |
| 19:43.29 | Eightynine | karlpinc I'm asking because when installing software from deb files my system is temporarily freezes until installation is complete. |
| 19:43.31 | karlpinc | telmich: What does "hang" mean, and at what point during "startup". |
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| 19:44.50 | karlpinc | Eightynine: Always or sometimes? (Sometimes some system services could get restarted, although I wouldn't think always.) What does "freezes" mean? Can you ssh in? |
| 19:45.32 | karlpinc | !tell telmich about firmware images |
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| 19:46.22 | Eightynine | I saw that only once or twice. |
| 19:46.52 | Eightynine | Freezes - I mean stops responding. |
| 19:46.54 | karlpinc | Eightynine: Try running 'vmstat 1' in a terminal while installing and see what it tells you about what resources are being used. |
| 19:47.06 | karlpinc | Eightynine: So the mouse does not move? |
| 19:47.21 | karlpinc | Eightynine: Music stops playing? Screen goes blank? |
| 19:47.39 | karlpinc | Eightynine: Won't ping? |
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| 19:51.04 | Eightynine | I don't remember exactly, I think it's correctly to say "slows down". What about "screen goes blank", I saw that when playing video in VLC. I couldn't return to OS for a couple of seconds. |
| 19:52.04 | karlpinc | Eightynine: (In the FWIW catagory, you should be very careful of installing .deb packages that come from anywhere but Debian. And if you get your software from Debian you should not need to be installing .debs.) |
| 19:52.31 | Eightynine | Thank you for your advice. |
| 19:52.43 | karlpinc | Eightynine: Maybe you're exceeding your disk IO bandwidth. No way to tell without looking. |
| 19:53.07 | karlpinc | !tell Eightynine about don't break debian |
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| 19:53.56 | Eightynine | I think that package manager takes a lot of resources during installation, that's why the system slows down. I've noticed such behaviour when I used Fedora. |
| 19:54.10 | telmich | karlpinc: I used the official one and the installer itself works fine |
| 19:54.43 | telmich | karlpinc: After installing it hangs like this: https://twitter.com/NicoSchottelius/status/1178032708322238464 and that: https://twitter.com/NicoSchottelius/status/1178033747809243136 |
| 19:54.48 | karlpinc | Eightynine: It's disk (and network) that's generally the limiting resource. |
| 19:56.04 | karlpinc | telmich: The installer does something to get the firmware it needs -- although I don't know if that includes non-free firmware I'd guess that there's surely a need for that sometimes. But this is different from installing the firmware in the final install. |
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| 19:56.58 | karlpinc | telmich: Those links tell me that they won't show with javascript. |
| 19:57.02 | karlpinc | !tell telmich about paste |
| 19:57.17 | telmich | karlpinc: they are two pictures of the boot process |
| 19:58.08 | Joit | Hello. Someone please tell me why it doesnt work to intall debian over an usb-stick, instead it searchs for a CD and want install from there, and ignore the usb-stick. |
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| 19:58.56 | Joit | even its described on the net "how easy you can install it over usb-stick" |
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| 19:59.15 | karlpinc | Joit: You probably need to do something during boot to tell bios (or whatever) to boot off of usb. Sometimes this is pressing f12 but it all depends on the hardware. |
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| 19:59.50 | Joit | karlpinc: ty. but it starts allready from usb-stick, and start the installation. then this problem occcurs |
| 20:00.05 | karlpinc | telmich: Can you put them on, say, http://file.io/ ? |
| 20:00.58 | karlpinc | Joit: How did you prepare the usb stick. Plenty of common methods recommened by random strangers on the internet result in bad outcomes. |
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| 20:01.24 | telmich | karlpinc: uploading - takes a while, my connection is a bit slow |
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| 20:02.10 | karlpinc | Joit: While you're at it, you may want unoffical images that install non-free firmware more easily. |
| 20:02.16 | karlpinc | !tell Joit about firmware images |
| 20:02.29 | telmich | XU1KD0 and 9uYwsF |
| 20:02.39 | Joit | karlpinc: it is made as a usb-hdd, else it will not start from the bios. and that is another problem from all this linux "usb-installers" they burn a cd-iso to usb, but then a lot bios can not boot from the usb-stick |
| 20:03.10 | telmich | http://file.io/XU1KD0 http://file.io/9uYwsF |
| 20:03.29 | karlpinc | telmich: Best is to use the netinstall image. (The bot should have sent you a suitable url.) |
| 20:03.42 | jhutchins | Joit: That is a symptom of a bad "burn" to the USB stick, often caused by unetbootin. (It can also mean you used the wrong image, there is one that is meant to do exactly that.) |
| 20:03.47 | karlpinc | Joit: The installation manual says to use dd, which is really eaisest if you have a linux install to work from. |
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| 20:04.34 | telmich | karlpinc: I somewhat doubt that this is related to non-free firmware, but I'll give it a try tomorrow |
| 20:04.50 | jhutchins | Joit: Another common mistake is writing to a partition on the USB drive, /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sda |
| 20:04.56 | karlpinc | telmich: Might not be. |
| 20:05.09 | karlpinc | telmich: I'm getting 404s on those urls |
| 20:05.16 | Joit | karlpinc: woulnd it be more easy, when this "Devs" would decide, not to rely on this stupid "cd-Detection-method" and just go on with the installation? i did dload the netinstall with about 300mb, and just for that burn a cd?? |
| 20:05.23 | telmich | ha? I just copied them from my browser |
| 20:05.23 | jhutchins | telmich: You could also be having EFI fun. |
| 20:05.41 | Joit | karlpinc: the usb stick is ok, there is nothing wrong t it |
| 20:05.46 | telmich | jhutchins: I do have a *lot* of efi fun, but do you have a pointer what you refer to in particular? |
| 20:06.07 | telmich | I also tried booting w/ acpi=off, however without any change |
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| 20:07.19 | karlpinc | Joit: The netinstall is a full installer that installs debian. |
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| 20:07.38 | Joit | karlpinc: i think it was w32imagewriter, and installed with that before manjaro, mx-linux, mint, ubuntu, xubunte, and anything worked, just now this installer routine break things |
| 20:08.13 | jhutchins | Joit: That is not standard behavior for the normal installers, it is a user-induced error, not something the devs need to fix. |
| 20:08.32 | jhutchins | nc> telmich: Can you put them on, say, http://file.io/ ? |
| 20:08.46 | telmich | jhutchins: I did put them on there - see urls above |
| 20:08.51 | Joit | jhutchins: eplain that, how can an user break it, when the you just click conitnue |
| 20:08.53 | jhutchins | Please ignore that, I have pastebuffer issues. |
| 20:09.11 | Joit | jhutchins: sounds for me more like nonsense what you tell me |
| 20:09.16 | jhutchins | Joit: By using the wrong image, a corrupt image, or by burning it to the disk badly. |
| 20:09.54 | jhutchins | Joit: Believe me, we see people with this problem a lot, but it is certainly not normal behavior for a healthy install image. |
| 20:10.09 | Joit | i lload it from debian page, ...... i dont know, why you look for any other posibiliities, just not believe, that the installer is messed |
| 20:10.24 | jhutchins | Joit: Make sure you got the right image, check it's checksum, and re-burn it with an appropriate utility. |
| 20:10.30 | karlpinc | telmich: Dunno. can't see those urls. |
| 20:10.41 | Joit | and i think i had the same problem already at an older debian, that it was not possible to intall it from usb becuase of the same error |
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| 20:10.49 | jhutchins | Joit: Because we see it a lot here, and that's always what it is. |
| 20:11.02 | karlpinc | Joit: You could try following the instructions, which say to use dd. |
| 20:11.36 | jhutchins | karlpinc: Not if he's on Windows. |
| 20:11.57 | Joit | well, until now, 5 other installations did work fine, now, suddenly, its the checksum, even its clear that the installer break, because he search through the cd, and can not find it |
| 20:11.58 | karlpinc | jhutchins: Sure, but he claims to have a bunch of successful Linux installs. |
| 20:12.14 | Joit | karlpinc: i may try it, and no, i am at mx right now |
| 20:12.24 | jhutchins | karlpinc: Possibly, possibly not on his current hardware. |
| 20:12.35 | Joit | but its obvious, that the debian installer does not work from a usb stick |
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| 20:12.52 | jhutchins | Joit: Yes, it does, for thousands of installations every day. |
| 20:13.09 | jhutchins | Joit: Don't you think people would notice if it were a general problem? |
| 20:13.28 | telmich | karlpinc: are the urls on file.io one time use? I used them before I copied them in here |
| 20:13.34 | Joit | jhutchins: haha, lies, linux doesnt have 1000 installations when yu look at the stats from 2% linux users |
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| 20:14.23 | Joit | jhutchins: well, i had exactly this error with an other machine and other bios, i can not figure, that i allways have the wrong bioses, vene its asus or gigybte boards |
| 20:14.23 | karlpinc | telmich: Not that I know, but I don't know the service. (Does not make a whole lot of sense.) I even started up a browser with javascript and cookies, although in "private browsing" mode. |
| 20:14.25 | jhutchins | Joit: You're not going to solve this unless you get it out of your head that there's something wrong with the Debian installer. It could be something about YOUR COPY of the installer, but the installer itself is fine. |
| 20:15.10 | jhutchins | Joit: I am part of a team that manages over 1500 linux servers. |
| 20:15.22 | Joit | karlpinc: the dd method works, when you dont choose graphical installation? |
| 20:15.49 | karlpinc | Joit: The dd method works no matter whether you choose graphical or not. |
| 20:16.11 | Joit | karlpinc: good and bad, i am not familiar with the dd method |
| 20:16.13 | telmich | checking again the files, it's very strange |
| 20:16.28 | Joit | but problem also is, it dont even load the network from the usb stick |
| 20:16.46 | Joit | and i bet, when i now install the same image t a cd the installation witll work |
| 20:16.50 | karlpinc | !tell Joit about install guide |
| 20:17.02 | telmich | I can take a screenshot of the upload of file.io and put it on file.io ... no, that is *really* strange |
| 20:17.05 | telmich | uploading again |
| 20:17.19 | jhutchins | Joit: It's pretty clear you have a bad image on the drive. |
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| 20:17.42 | karlpinc | Joit: Or are using a method of writing to the usb stick that alters the image. |
| 20:17.43 | Joit | jhutchins: in no way is that clear |
| 20:18.00 | jhutchins | Joit: It is to someone who used to build up to 200 linux systems per day. |
| 20:18.14 | telmich | new urls: https://file.io/xjS6vt and https://file.io/JvJqlj |
| 20:18.16 | Joit | i did with the same method install 5 others, dont tell me, "there is something wrong with the method" |
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| 20:18.28 | karlpinc | Joit: Their images are not debian images. |
| 20:18.39 | jhutchins | Heh. OK, good luck with that. |
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| 20:19.09 | Joit | jhutchins: to bad, that you are not a part from the team, what make the installer, really |
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| 20:19.14 | brob | hi |
| 20:19.14 | karlpinc | Joit: What's safe to alter on other images may not be safe to alter on the debian image. |
| 20:19.47 | telmich | hmm, I get 404s on those, too |
| 20:19.50 | brob | can anyone give me an advice on how to get debian running on some kind of read only memory, embedded system with say EEPROM memory |
| 20:20.09 | karlpinc | telmich: https://imgur.com/upload then. Give up. :) |
| 20:20.10 | brob | i.e. I would like to run debian as some kind of "firmware" |
| 20:20.14 | telmich | even if I directly click the link after uploading |
| 20:21.20 | karlpinc | brob: That all depends on what you install onto. Debian is no different from any other OS. What is the issue? |
| 20:21.22 | brob | 'sorry I guess I meant running debian on an "integrated device" something that doesnt mutate the debian |
| 20:21.36 | brob | on restart of the device |
| 20:21.54 | brob | so, e.g. running debian as an os in a router or multimedia device |
| 20:22.26 | brob | I read the these devices are often linux based, but they keep the linux from mutating, i.e. as a fixed firmware, |
| 20:22.30 | Joit | karlpinc: its all made at the same way, you just burn the iso on th stick, and its used the whole stick, and is bootable, like a cd |
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| 20:23.40 | Joit | karlpinc: from your both links, i got the amd64 image, reading through the installation guide, but doesnt tell a lot there |
| 20:23.51 | brob | karlpinc, Joit : Right, I can burn my iso onto the eeprom I guess, but Im not sure that is enough, doesnt it need to load the image into RAM with some tempfs or something so that the linux doesnt halt from not being aple to write to disk |
| 20:23.53 | Joit | the one with 279mb |
| 20:23.55 | karlpinc | Joit: Well, e.g., if you "just burn" with unetbootn it will put something different on the usb stick than what is in the download. |
| 20:25.07 | Joit | karlpinc: yes, i am aware of that, i allways had problems with unetbootin thats why i looked for an direkt iso burner under windows. They make the usb stick to a hdd and malke it bootable |
| 20:25.26 | brob | karlpinc, Joit: OK so I'll explain further, what I need is a linux that starts in the same initial state on every reboot of the system |
| 20:26.18 | brob | I.e. I will set up my debian with the required software and stuff and startup scripts... but after that I burn it to this integrated system, where this state of debian is fixed... no upgrades no nothing... even if disk gets full or something.... it will always recover on reboot |
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| 20:27.03 | brob | Im not sure what this is called, Im guessing integrated system or something, or "firmware linux" or something |
| 20:27.51 | Joit | brob: wouldnt you then run into the problem, that the system you start is allways paralell that you have installed on your hdd? |
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| 20:28.26 | Joit | usually linux allways start from the files from your installation, when you start an other version, you look at your other installation at the hdd |
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| 20:30.18 | Joit | and eeprom, i dont know, if you want mess up with that, when you want use your bios eeprom, i dont know how much cycles are lefton that |
| 20:30.33 | Joit | write cycles i mean |
| 20:31.13 | brob | Joit, sorry no not a regular pc with bios, this one has another eeprom memory that can be booted into a ramfs on this integrated device |
| 20:31.15 | jhutchins | brob: It's possible to do that. Live CDs are essentially immutable, all changes are made in RAM. You can also set up a PXE system that boots from a central image. |
| 20:31.18 | brob | maybe debian is not so suitable |
| 20:31.38 | brob | I see there is "openwrt.org" which is a linux for integrated devices |
| 20:31.44 | jhutchins | brob: It's not practical to install Debian on something like a dedicaed router. |
| 20:32.19 | jhutchins | brob: Yes, openwrt is intended for loading on router hardware, basically you use a tool similar to a BIOS update. |
| 20:32.21 | brob | jhutchins, thanks, ok I see. yeah so I need to set up my own live iso version of debian |
| 20:32.51 | brob | jhutchins, ok so something like openwrt would be more practical and userfriendly for me |
| 20:33.20 | ectospasm | jhutchins: sure it is, that's what I've done. A full OS that can be managed properly. |
| 20:33.25 | jhutchins | brob: You have to do some juggling, because Debian (most linux) expects to be able to write things like locks, proc files, and logs to the same filesystem it reads from. |
| 20:33.43 | jhutchins | ectospasm: Very hardware dependent. |
| 20:34.03 | ectospasm | But then again I *LOATHE* busybox, I need a real shell. |
| 20:34.36 | ectospasm | jhutchins: I have an Intel NUC with two 1Gbps interfaces on it, with a 60G SSD, it's perfect for a homebrew router. |
| 20:35.14 | ectospasm | For a while I even used a mini-PCIe Atheros WiFi card with hostapd to act as an access point. |
| 20:35.16 | jhutchins | ectospasm: Yeah, that would work fine as a fairly standard Debian system. I got my start building routers out of old XT boxes when people were upgrading to Pentiums. |
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| 20:35.29 | brob | ectospasm, jhutchins ok, if I go with basic debian system, then yes I need take care of allowing the system to think that it can write and log stuff |
| 20:35.33 | brob | with tmpfs |
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| 20:36.37 | brob | jhutchins, ectospasm , I do prefer debian for my project only because I know it has stable packages, and complete python support |
| 20:36.37 | jhutchins | brob: Again, pendrivelinux is a great resource for what you need to do and how to do it, as is the Debian Live resourcec. |
| 20:36.40 | jhutchins | !live |
| 20:36.40 | dpkg | i guess live is The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system (although the installer is better to use). Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. <UEFI> mode is supported by Debian Live images. |
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| 20:36.48 | Joit | wel, trying balenaetcher again |
| 20:37.45 | jhutchins | ... because why use the recommended tools. |
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| 20:40.35 | BCMM | did somebody already link the recommended tool? https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/index.en.html#write-usb |
| 20:41.00 | Joit | jhutchins: are there and specific desktops except gnome what debian supports? some other |
| 20:41.07 | BCMM | (that said, Etcher ought to be OK. it writes images unmodified, unlike certain windows software.) |
| 20:41.13 | Joit | well.. have problems with kde seems |
| 20:41.21 | free_speech | the live images of debian allow the creation of own live images? |
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| 20:41.40 | Joit | BCMM: ty, i burned it right now, just scared to reboot now :p |
| 20:41.44 | BCMM | Joit: the debian installer even has a menu where you can choose which desktop you want to install |
| 20:41.59 | Joit | BCMM: the netinstaller or any? |
| 20:42.18 | free_speech | Joit, any |
| 20:42.29 | Joit | i just looked the links from jhutchins and it has for all desktops an own image |
| 20:43.05 | Joit | well, thats good free_speech, ty |
| 20:43.11 | brob | free_speech, I hope so, does it?? |
| 20:43.38 | brob | jhutchins, ectospasm ... I now found this resource: https://elinux.org/Main_Page maybe this is a good reference |
| 20:43.47 | Joit | doing 2 reboots now, 1st, to try again the netinstall, if it doesnt work, i get an live image |
| 20:43.47 | BCMM | Joit: i think the installer options are gnome, xfce, kde, cinnamon, mate, lxde and lxqt |
| 20:44.12 | free_speech | when it comes to debian itself, I'm pretty much outside ... my last machine running debian will switch to its derivative work "Devuan" during next week ... |
| 20:44.20 | free_speech | @ brob |
| 20:44.22 | Joit | BCMM: yeah, i look for something like that, KDE now for me is Kindergarden-DEsktop with her restrctions |
| 20:44.33 | BCMM | Joit: of course there are some other options that you can install manually following a minimal install, but those are the ones that have nice easy "tasks" that are designed to provide an out-of-the-box experience |
| 20:44.34 | Joit | i will never ever use it again |
| 20:44.48 | BCMM | hmm, kde is usually seen as one of the least "restricted" DEs |
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| 20:45.09 | brob | and this https://opensource.com/article/18/6/embedded-linux-build-tools |
| 20:45.41 | Joit | BCMM: they locked root mode for dolphin and kate, because of one paranoid, but there are 100 other ways how you can avoide that, even, when you have a stron root password, no one can use it too |
| 20:46.06 | Joit | but they just messed the whole thing up when you want fix something what they mess up during update or other things |
| 20:46.17 | Joit | because of one paranoid dev |
| 20:46.51 | BCMM | i think they've got a thing in the next release (or a recent release?) where you can run the editor itself as a normal user, and have a helper application escalate to root just for reading/writing |
| 20:47.12 | humpled | :v |
| 20:47.28 | BCMM | it's not just paranoia, by the way - running an application as root on the same X server as an application running as the user *completely* breaks separate |
| 20:47.51 | BCMM | X11 has zero meaningful isolation between different clients |
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| 20:48.37 | Joit | BCMM: seriously i never did break my system because i did something there, its mostly, that things dont work like google earth, or need a bash script at the root partition |
| 20:48.56 | Joit | and if, you can easy reinstall things, that was my experince |
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| 20:49.47 | Joit | and i do not really see the reason that, how m graesslin statet on reddit "oooh never never let an user be root on a system" |
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| 20:51.04 | BCMM | if you're suggesting it's about keeping the user away from root to prevent mistakes, you've got the wrong idea |
| 20:51.17 | Joit | and well, somethimes i saw for testing purpose, if a system runs in root mode or not, last time it was with a 3d printer sftware, what only run at root mode, showed, that they messed further with the group rights, with xfce the problem does not happen and the software runs normal at user mode |
| 20:51.27 | Joit | thats another thing they messed up with her paranoia |
| 20:51.45 | jhutchins | !emdebian |
| 20:51.45 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. As of July 2014, updates to Emdebian distributions ceased, there will be no further stable releases. |
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| 20:52.04 | Joit | i did not suggest it, it was m. graesslin, its former kde developer, but he s gone seeems |
| 20:52.07 | jhutchins | Oh, that's too bad. |
| 20:52.40 | BCMM | Joit: here's a Gnome developer's opinion on the same issue, by the way https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772875#c5 |
| 20:53.44 | Joit | BCMM: yes i dont say, you should all time run it as root, better less as possible, but at last, you should have th epossibility, to see what is wrong |
| 20:53.45 | brob | ubuntu makes this big claim: https://ubuntu.com/embedded |
| 20:53.53 | brob | about being preferred for embedded systems |
| 20:54.43 | dob1 | brob, embedded devices, but which target? |
| 20:54.45 | BCMM | Joit: martin is still active in KDE; he just stepped down as the maintainer of kwin |
| 20:54.58 | BCMM | (and also changed his last name) |
| 20:55.17 | Joit | ah, fu, thats why its now so messed |
| 20:55.42 | Joit | when i got time, i will again make a thread about KindergarDEn.desktop |
| 20:56.31 | Joit | well, another reason to never ever use kde again, and use a desktop what give some freedom |
| 20:57.07 | Joit | and yes, i did may mess up my system onve too, even before a long time, but that is how you learn it |
| 20:57.28 | Joit | and not by sit on a broken system and just bother every day about the same problems |
| 20:58.08 | Joit | ie, google earth just does not run with the newer linux, no error no hint what it wrong, at last by me with an nvidia card |
| 20:58.12 | jhutchins | brob: It looks like emdebian is well and truely dead, and nobody's forked or carried on in any way. |
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| 21:05.09 | Joit | even i think it can not be such a big problem, that you make a routine, when an application runs at root mode, that it writes certain files not with root mode, when this is the problem of this gnome dev |
| 21:05.35 | Joit | and the other things, how often ddi this now really cause a problem |
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| 21:14.55 | Joit | well loaded now debian standardamd64iso and go for another try. see you later and ty for replies |
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| 21:44.00 | duude__ | Hello everyone. |
| 21:44.40 | duude__ | I have one question, my home directory is located on the same spot as my /. - On my SSD |
| 21:45.04 | duude__ | I would like to create some kind of a link (I belive it's called symbolic?) |
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| 21:45.20 | duude__ | So that all files I create in /home/ directory are created on my HDD |
| 21:45.24 | duude__ | Is that possible? |
| 21:45.49 | duude__ | So the /home/ is on sdb3, I want the files to be created on sda2, but the home to remain on sdb3 |
| 21:45.51 | duude__ | if that makes sense |
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| 21:51.35 | tomreyn | duude__: you can set symlinks for single existing files, or for complete directories. |
| 21:51.43 | at0m | duude__: as in "mv /home/duude__ /mntpoint/for/sdb3/ && ln -s /mntpoint/for/sdb3/duude__ /home/duude__" ? |
| 21:52.12 | annadane | duuuuude. |
| 21:52.19 | tomreyn | s/single/specific/ |
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| 21:54.07 | at0m | duude__: make sure to log out as that user, quit all its user processes, then do that as root. check for the created files' ownership before logging in again as that user. |
| 21:54.21 | duude__ | Understood |
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| 21:55.35 | duude__ | at0m: just to double check, because I'm a bit confused about symbolic links |
| 21:55.50 | duude__ | So "ln" makes links between files, and -s stands for symbolic |
| 21:56.07 | at0m | duude__: or after logging out etc, as root "usermod --home /mntpoint/for/sdb3/duude__ duude__" |
| 21:56.10 | duude__ | Now, it connects target1 with target2 |
| 21:56.35 | duude__ | as in, whatever is supposed to go to target2 gets written in target1 but is presented as if it is in target2? |
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| 21:57.42 | at0m | did i reverse source and dest? i confuse them all the time. error or checking the result after trying usually explains |
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| 22:00.48 | at0m | just make sure the user isn't logged in or running anything when moving its home |
| 22:01.03 | RoyK | duude__: the best way is perhaps to change /etc/passwd and change the path to the home dir and then move the data over to the new path. |
| 22:01.44 | duude__ | RoyK eh, I changed my mind a bit |
| 22:01.46 | at0m | (ie. don't user@hostname:~$ sudo mv .. ) |
| 22:02.08 | duude__ | I won't move the entire /home/ directory |
| 22:02.28 | duude__ | I'll just move the Downloads, Pictures and other subdirectories and same symlinks for them |
| 22:02.41 | duude__ | make* |
| 22:07.11 | jhutchins | duude__: What might be a better approach would be to mount a partition on your hard drive at /home |
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| 22:10.11 | duude__ | jhutchins, I thought about that, I kinda agree |
| 22:10.27 | duude__ | but my concern is retaining the speed of the SSD |
| 22:10.45 | duude__ | I want some things in /home/ to be on the SSD and others to be on the HDD |
| 22:11.28 | datapioneer_ | Fairly sure you can't split the /home between devices |
| 22:11.40 | BCMM | datapioneer_: sure you can, just symlink it |
| 22:11.42 | at0m | duude__: if you're after freeing space on that SSD, moving the largest dirs could do, too, indeed. "du -hsx ~/* | sort -h | tail" |
| 22:12.02 | datapioneer_ | Why would you want to? |
| 22:12.07 | at0m | that will give you the 10 largest items in your ~/ |
| 22:12.09 | BCMM | for example, i keep my /home/ on an ssd, but have symlinks to a filesystem on a hard drive for stuff like photos, videos, documents |
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| 22:12.34 | BCMM | i.e. directories that will contain a relatively small number of relatively large files |
| 22:12.37 | datapioneer_ | I've never done that and I've worked with Linux since 1996 |
| 22:12.43 | BCMM | nobody cares what the seek time on a video is |
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| 22:13.11 | BCMM | datapioneer_: *never* used a symlink to put an arbitrary directory on a different storage device? |
| 22:13.29 | datapioneer_ | yes, but not anything in the /home directory |
| 22:13.46 | BCMM | well, i don't see why not! |
| 22:13.52 | at0m | ^^ |
| 22:14.09 | BCMM | as to why you'd want to: in my case, because my photos and videos won't fit on my ssd |
| 22:14.29 | BCMM | but i appreciate applications launching faster when their config files and so on are on fast storage |
| 22:14.29 | at0m | i got media files on spinning rust, and symlink that to my home which is on SSD |
| 22:14.44 | at0m | yea, same here |
| 22:14.57 | BCMM | and linux applications are almost invariably completely well-behaved about symlinks, so it "just works" |
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| 22:15.52 | BCMM | a more 1996 example might be moving some files that aren't performance-critical on to a NFS share |
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| 22:21.11 | duude__ | BCMM: Hey that's exactly what I'm looking to do |
| 22:21.17 | duude__ | How's the preformance of viewing pictures? Any issues? |
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| 22:21.28 | BCMM | duude__: none, basically |
| 22:21.35 | duude__ | Awesome! |
| 22:21.43 | duude__ | Could I ask you to give me a brief guide how to do it please? |
| 22:21.43 | BCMM | duude__: the symlink itself has negligible overhead, if that's what you meant |
| 22:21.50 | duude__ | Yup that's what I meant |
| 22:22.28 | BCMM | as for the performance impact of having it on a spinning disc, well, it taking a few milliseconds longer to open a photo is simply not perceptible to a human |
| 22:22.44 | duude__ | so I know that I need to do it as root, the I'll go ln -s /home/username/pictures /mnt/hdddata/pictures |
| 22:22.49 | duude__ | And that should be it? |
| 22:23.01 | BCMM | however, it will probably make a noticable difference when, for example, thumbnailing a large directory |
| 22:23.04 | duude__ | I went through the man page and the targets are very confusing |
| 22:23.10 | duude__ | Not sure what goes first |
| 22:23.11 | BCMM | duude__: you don't want to be root to create the symlink |
| 22:23.15 | duude__ | I see |
| 22:23.27 | BCMM | duude__: first of all, do you have a sensible filesystem on the hdd? |
| 22:23.32 | duude__ | BCMM: oh yes the HDD is slower I know that :) |
| 22:23.40 | BCMM | i mean, not ntfs or fat32 basically |
| 22:23.58 | duude__ | Yes, it's ntfs which I automatically mount upon system boot through fdisk and ntfs-3g |
| 22:24.26 | BCMM | do you already have files on it? is it too late to pick a better filesystem? |
| 22:24.46 | BCMM | ntfs-3g is a fairly significant performance hit, if only because it's a FUSE filesystem |
| 22:25.03 | brutser | BCMM: maybe you can help me out, i am scratching my head on this, i got in crypttab line with crypt_hdd /dev/disk/by-id/xxx keyfile luks,discard,noauto,header=header,keyscript=script - and for some reason on real hardware it prompts during boot "cryptsetup: Waiting for encrypted source device /dev/disk/by-id/xxx - on qemu it's not prompting for |
| 22:25.03 | brutser | this and everything works as expected - i know it's the crypttab, because if i change /dev/disk/by-id to the actual /dev/sdb (or whatever the disk is called), it prompts for "cryptsetup: Waiting for source device /dev/sdb" - whyyy??? |
| 22:25.04 | duude__ | I do have files on it unfortunately. |
| 22:25.14 | duude__ | Why? Because I dual boot windows |
| 22:25.17 | BCMM | brutser: sorry, i know almost nothing about disk encryption |
| 22:25.23 | duude__ | I want to be able to access those files from both windows and linux |
| 22:25.25 | brutser | BCMM: ok np |
| 22:25.29 | brutser | anyone else maybe? |
| 22:25.39 | duude__ | Unfortunately Linux mounts NTFS much better than Windows mounts EXT4 |
| 22:25.50 | BCMM | duude__: fair enough. well, if you're OK with the reduced performance, this should work fine |
| 22:25.57 | duude__ | I'm fine with it :) |
| 22:26.31 | BCMM | duude__: *if* we're just talking about some boring data like photos, videos, documents. don't try and put, like, your .ssh directory or install programs on it basically, or you'll be fighting the lack of Unix permissions |
| 22:26.47 | duude__ | It is boring stuff like a lot of videos :P |
| 22:26.51 | duude__ | Movies mainly |
| 22:27.20 | duude__ | So in the "ln -s, path1 path2" The second path is the path of symlink and the 1st path is the path of the directory |
| 22:27.24 | BCMM | duude__: so, first of all, make sure you've got a directory that your user can read and write on the target filesystem |
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| 22:27.31 | duude__ | I got a bit confused, I'm literally checking out the man page again |
| 22:27.45 | duude__ | Alright, check |
| 22:28.18 | BCMM | duude__: 2. move your stuff over to the new location 3. create symlinks in the location that your stuff used to be |
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| 22:28.50 | duude__ | The directory which I want to symlink is /home/myusername/Downloads, and the target directory is /mnt/hdd_data/Nix/Downloads |
| 22:28.53 | duude__ | They're both empty. |
| 22:29.05 | BCMM | duude__: the *second* argument will be the location where the link is created. the first argument is the target of the link |
| 22:29.08 | duude__ | My only issue is that I confuse what goes first in the "ln -s" command |
| 22:29.17 | BCMM | duude__: if it helps, that kind of follows the way `cp` works |
| 22:29.47 | duude__ | ah |
| 22:29.51 | BCMM | except instead of creating a copy of your file, it creates a thing which kind of looks like a copy but will stay in sync |
| 22:30.12 | duude__ | So if I want the data to be on the hdd, and the symlink to be on the ssd, then it goes ln -ls hdd_path ssd_path |
| 22:30.14 | duude__ | Neat! |
| 22:30.35 | duude__ | Will the "ln" command automatically overwrite a directory? or do I have to remove it first? |
| 22:30.51 | BCMM | i think it will warn if it's going to overwrite |
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| 22:31.33 | BCMM | so, for example, `mv ~/Downloads /mnt/spinning_rust/; ln -s /mnt/spinning_rust/Downloads ~/Downloads` |
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| 22:33.58 | duude__ | BDMM: That's it! Should work :) Gonna do it now |
| 22:34.30 | BCMM | it might be a good idea to have backups, if that's practical. just in case you do somehow overwrite something |
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| 22:35.09 | BCMM | (but it shouldn't be possible unless you pass -f) |
| 22:35.31 | BCMM | duude__: oh, by the way, is it windows 10? |
| 22:35.51 | BCMM | you need to watch out for something when sharing an ntfs partition with windows 10 |
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| 22:38.52 | duude__ | BCMM: it is win10 |
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| 22:41.47 | BCMM | duude__: i apologise if you already know this, but the default "shut down" behaviour in win10 is weird |
| 22:42.24 | BCMM | basically, when you tell it to shut down, what it actually does is more like "log out then hibernate" (turns out that resuming from hibernation is faster than a clean boot in NT) |
| 22:43.00 | BCMM | so if you shut down win10 and then boot up linux, you'll find the NTFS drive was never unmounted by windows |
| 22:43.27 | BCMM | there's an option you can change to make it do a real, old-fashioned shutdown, but i can't remember what it's called. something to do with "fast boot", maybe |
| 22:43.49 | duude__ | Oh no need to apologize for anything man, I didn't know that :) |
| 22:44.02 | duude__ | I bet you're actaully twice my age. I'm still in HS. |
| 22:44.29 | duude__ | If anything, I should apologize for taking your time. Thank you so much for helping me out |
| 22:45.26 | duude__ | BCMM: I just checked, yes it is indeed fast boot. It's disabled on Windows LTSC by default. |
| 22:45.30 | duude__ | Mine doesn't hibernate haha |
| 22:45.43 | BCMM | ah, that's ok then |
| 22:45.56 | duude__ | I actually have another problem with Debian |
| 22:46.00 | BCMM | watch out that they don't flip it on in the next ltsc release or whatever! |
| 22:46.07 | duude__ | I will |
| 22:46.23 | duude__ | Whenever Debian suspends, it shows a blank screen and is unresponsive |
| 22:46.56 | duude__ | CTRL Alt F2 brings me up to the TTY |
| 22:47.00 | duude__ | and everything works fine |
| 22:47.25 | duude__ | However I can never go back to my desktop environment |
| 22:47.32 | duude__ | I'm a bit unsure how to proceed. Any ideas? |
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| 23:00.21 | BCMM | duude__: what happens if you do ctrl+alt+f7? |
| 23:00.41 | BCMM | oh, this is specifically after suspend and resume... nvidia? |
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| 23:02.11 | duude__ | BCMM: Intel actually |
| 23:02.21 | duude__ | oh! |
| 23:02.29 | duude__ | ctrl alt f7 worked straight out of the box |
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| 23:06.03 | PETURBG | hi |
| 23:06.17 | dvs | oi |
| 23:06.19 | PETURBG | other day i ask how to compile coturn... can someone repeait it again. |
| 23:06.31 | PETURBG | ! compile |
| 23:06.32 | dpkg | tar -zxvf tarball, cd blah, ./configure, make, make install or install by hand., but for an easier way to compile the kernel, apt-get install kernel-package, or something you should only do if you're SURE there isn't already a debian package that meets your needs, and never into places that could conflict with dpkg |
| 23:06.57 | PETURBG | dpkg no... it was with debian rules.. |
| 23:06.57 | dpkg | PETURBG: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 23:08.11 | PETURBG | dpklg what i ermember was... First download apt-get source coturn... after that apt-get download-dependency coturn when everything is download then move source debian from debian to coturn source git and then dpkg-buildpackage |
| 23:09.02 | PETURBG | i need to confirm it . |
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| 23:10.53 | BCMM | dpkg: dpkg is a bot, fyi |
| 23:10.54 | dpkg | ...but dpkg is already something else... |
| 23:11.01 | BCMM | uh, meant to highlight PETURBG there |
| 23:11.32 | PETURBG | BCMM thanks... can you confirm if this was what to work. |
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| 23:11.51 | PETURBG | i to want to give thanks to that person who comment it... |
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| 23:12.10 | PETURBG | ! compile dpkgf |
| 23:12.12 | PETURBG | ! compile dpkg |
| 23:12.24 | BCMM | PETURBG: have a look at https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial |
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| 23:12.48 | BCMM | !ssb |
| 23:12.48 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 23:13.09 | BCMM | ^if you happen to be trying to backport a package, have a look at that |
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| 23:15.00 | PETURBG | BCMM no i just want coturn to compile latest coturn from git but to use debian directory... |
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| 23:18.06 | BCMM | PETURBG: get the debian source package, replace the sources with sources from git, and try to buidl |
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| 23:19.21 | PETURBG | BCMM when you mean replaces sources... you mean source directory ? |
| 23:19.26 | BCMM | yeah |
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| 23:19.45 | BCMM | debian-specific patches and configuration are kept separately |
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| 23:20.35 | PETURBG | BCMM remember source is only one... and sources is multiply... so apt-get download source apache2, and download apache2 from git... then enter in debian source apache2 and move source directory in apache2 git directory... after that make... |
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| 23:22.30 | mmx_in_space | hello all, help with this? |
| 23:22.33 | mmx_in_space | https://pastebin.com/K24jgf1w |
| 23:22.56 | mmx_in_space | trying to ssh into my server via windows client putty |
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| 23:24.20 | PETURBG | mmx you try it with key or with words... |
| 23:24.37 | PETURBG | mmx ssh key or words... |
| 23:24.47 | mmx_in_space | words |
| 23:24.54 | mmx_in_space | that was a question right? |
| 23:24.57 | PETURBG | mmx then this is strange... |
| 23:25.15 | PETURBG | mmx... if you ask me... reinstall openssh-server... do you have something important on it.. |
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| 23:25.54 | mmx_in_space | nothing important on it |
| 23:26.07 | PETURBG | mmx then apt-get purge openssh-server |
| 23:26.14 | mmx_in_space | how do i reinstall openssh-server? |
| 23:26.15 | PETURBG | apt-get install openssh-server |
| 23:26.18 | mmx_in_space | okay |
| 23:26.32 | PETURBG | apt-get purge openssh-server this will delete everything for ssh... |
| 23:29.33 | PETURBG | mmx what has you do so openssh-server get this error. |
| 23:29.51 | PETURBG | is your ssh server has internet access. so someone can enter... |
| 23:30.36 | mmx_in_space | please re-ask the question |
| 23:30.42 | mmx_in_space | i don't understand |
| 23:31.42 | PETURBG | mmx you put ssh-server " openssh-server " in your debian... so you can connect from windows... so is this computer with ssh is open outside " that someone can enter who is not from your house in your ssh " is your port 22 open for internet. |
| 23:34.09 | tomreyn | mmx_in_space: i think PETURBG is asking whether your SSH server is accessible form the Internet. |
| 23:34.32 | PETURBG | tomreyn maybe someone has hacked his openssh |
| 23:35.00 | mmx_in_space | this happens on the exact same debian setup on my local machine in a vm |
| 23:35.17 | tomreyn | PETURBG: that or one of the million other possibilities |
| 23:35.27 | PETURBG | mmx... did you repair your openssh-server issue ... |
| 23:36.03 | PETURBG | tomreyn... if he is user then someone has hacked him... this happend when i first time run server... |
| 23:36.33 | tomreyn | mmx_in_space: do you have access to this debian server by other means? |
| 23:37.07 | tomreyn | i.e. are you able to make changes to it now until you'll be able to login? |
| 23:37.24 | mmx_in_space | i can access it by other means, yes |
| 23:37.44 | tomreyn | good. so did you check what the server logged about this connection attempt? |
| 23:37.44 | PETURBG | mmx is that server ? |
| 23:37.58 | mmx_in_space | looks like reinstalling openssh-server fixed the problem |
| 23:38.12 | mmx_in_space | :) |
| 23:38.28 | PETURBG | mmx... now if you don't use openssh-server from outside intenret... just disable in router port 22. |
| 23:38.54 | mmx_in_space | peturbg: okay. thanks a million and you too tomreyn |
| 23:39.04 | PETURBG | mmx_in_space thank on you man. |
| 23:39.11 | tomreyn | you're welcome |
| 23:39.19 | mmx_in_space | :) |
| 23:39.52 | PETURBG | mmx if someone day you wan tto run openssh-server from internet... use key digital or good password. |
| 23:40.09 | PETURBG | and install maldetect. |
| 23:40.18 | PETURBG | ! maldetect |
| 23:40.26 | mmx_in_space | peturbg okay. |
| 23:40.33 | PETURBG | https://www.rfxn.com/projects/linux-malware-detect/ |
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| 23:41.37 | PETURBG | here is manual: https://www.hivelocity.net/kb/how-to-install-maldet-and-run-a-scan/ |
| 23:42.53 | mmx_in_space | thank you |
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| 23:48.23 | PETURBG | i just remember... my friend has sslh server for xmpp and 100 he uses web server https... so question is when someone visit his: yourdomain.com it comment it come from 127.0.0.1 he speak with sslh developer and he didn't understand him good. include he speak with xmpp who make manual how to run sslh.. soe someone know how to make sslh to show |
| 23:48.23 | PETURBG | original ip in apache2 latest upgrade to show... someone comment o use stunel or other. he need proxy transparent... he need to compile it to use it becouse in .deb don;t come with transparency proxy... and for that i enter too in debian just in the moment i remember it . |
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