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| 00:18.16 | Unit193 | See also if gvfs is installed. |
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| 02:53.21 | awal1 | dpkg: opera |
| 02:53.21 | dpkg | Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite, which handles common tasks including visiting web sites and sending/receiving e-mail. As of version 8.5, Opera is freeware but NOT open source. It is not included in Debian and therefore not supported by #debian. To install, ask me about <opera apt> and see http://wiki.debian.org/Opera . http://www.opera.com/support/ #opera on irc.opera.com. |
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| 02:54.03 | awal1 | dpkg: opera apt |
| 02:54.04 | dpkg | from memory, opera apt is http://deb.opera.com/ |
| 02:54.08 | somiaj | awal1: you can /msg the bot |
| 02:54.33 | awal1 | somiaj, too silent the room. but you right:d |
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| 02:55.06 | annadane | silent is good, means debian is working and people don't have to check the channel for trivial things |
| 02:55.15 | dvs | yeah |
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| 02:58.34 | awal1 | somiaj, any link where I can follow Jason work (and your's about it)? |
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| 03:00.05 | somiaj | I don't quite understand that question, Jason work? You mean the data file format? |
| 03:00.24 | somiaj | no that is json...so yea, not quite sure what you mean |
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| 03:03.35 | awal1 | somiaj, I think I forgot his name. I was reffering to fvwm dead colleague |
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| 03:05.00 | somiaj | awal1: this is not the place to ask questions about fvwm, but I think you are refering to this, https://github.com/somiaj/pyFvwm, and the basic user enviorment Janon was working on. |
| 03:05.37 | somiaj | Though I haven't had time to do much with it for the last few years, I do use a version of the BUE on a few of my systems. |
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| 03:10.06 | awal1 | somiaj, Janon, yes. Thanks for the link ;) |
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| 03:12.40 | whoamiguy | ola |
| 03:12.44 | whoamiguy | hello |
| 03:13.05 | dvs | shalom |
| 03:13.17 | whoamiguy | do you can see my IP? |
| 03:13.47 | dvs | 200.225.205.10 |
| 03:13.54 | whoamiguy | oh gosh |
| 03:14.04 | whoamiguy | do you know how can i hide it |
| 03:15.49 | awal1 | check tor or talk with freenode team |
| 03:16.00 | CarlFK | "cloak" is what you want |
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| 03:17.04 | whoamiguy | thanks |
| 03:17.35 | whoamiguy | wow thats is so vunerable |
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| 03:23.57 | CarlFK | welcome to the internet |
| 03:24.25 | swivel | why do you care |
| 03:24.33 | Unit193 | whoamiguy: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/chat#accessing-freenode-via-tor |
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| 03:29.54 | ozfalcon | Thats like standing on the other side of a fence and asking someone "Do you know where I am?" The answer being "One the other side of the fence - Otherwise I wouldn't be talking to you!" |
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| 03:32.38 | ozfalcon | Actually you could drop the fence part. |
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| 03:42.53 | whoamiguy | hahahahahah now i know to hide my IP |
| 03:43.07 | whoamiguy | the weechat has a irc.conf in ~ |
| 03:43.22 | dvs | oh noes! |
| 03:43.34 | whoamiguy | there we can to change the option host to hide |
| 03:43.51 | whoamiguy | now i can sleep in peace |
| 03:45.16 | whoamiguy | byebye |
| 03:45.20 | dvs | o/ |
| 03:45.41 | ozfalcon | Weird fellow. |
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| 03:46.01 | dvs | yeah, I wonder why it's so important. |
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| 03:47.06 | ozfalcon | Maybe he doesn't realise it's actually required to be on the internet. |
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| 03:49.33 | ozfalcon | Anyone here using IPv6? |
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| 04:07.34 | somiaj | though I think tor is banned here due to those who have abbused it. It isn't that we care about anominity, but some abuse it. |
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| 04:09.35 | swift110 | sup |
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| 04:17.28 | damarusama | on debian 8 jessie, on apt-get update, I have an error on one of the package source, http://ftp.debian.org jessi-backports/main amd64 |
| 04:17.37 | damarusama | I can't find where I can remove this |
| 04:17.59 | damarusama | in the etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 04:18.04 | damarusama | I've remove the backport file |
| 04:18.43 | somiaj | have you also checked /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:19.25 | damarusama | yep nothing there |
| 04:19.25 | damarusama | ho... . |
| 04:19.29 | somiaj | and you checked all the files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 04:19.39 | somiaj | Note I think these are all on archive.debian.org now |
| 04:19.56 | damarusama | ok got it, it was indeed in the sources.list |
| 04:20.00 | damarusama | thanks! |
| 04:21.05 | somiaj | so if you just change ftp.debian.org/debian to archive.debian.org/debian you should still beable to access the archive of the jessie-backports |
| 04:21.19 | damarusama | ah ok ~ nice thanks! |
| 04:21.38 | damarusama | indeed |
| 04:21.40 | somiaj | also you shouldn't be using ftp.debian.org, deb.debian.org is the prefered mirror (stretch onward) |
| 04:21.56 | damarusama | still on 8 |
| 04:22.24 | somiaj | Yea, I think only jessie lts is left on the main mirrors |
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| 04:28.07 | damarusama | can jessie be upgraded to buster? or have to go trough stretch upgrade first |
| 04:28.41 | somiaj | correct, you have to upgrade one release at the time |
| 04:28.53 | somiaj | this is because scripts will change thigns during the upgrade, and they only assume upgrading from the previous release |
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| 04:29.35 | somiaj | so skipping stretch will skip multiple changes or upgrade scripts will have errors since they assume you are comming from stretch |
| 04:29.53 | damarusama | good to know thanks :D |
| 04:30.45 | somiaj | note if using a desktop, I would consider upgrading, as jessie-lts only supports some packages. There are some scripts you can run to tell you if you have any known security holes |
| 04:30.54 | somiaj | but desktops and browers are often the first things to loose support |
| 04:31.33 | damarusama | right - it's a server |
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| 07:17.02 | jomofcw | Hello ! |
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| 07:17.38 | jomofcw | I'm trying to clean my HDD. But there is somethings I don't understand (and I don't want to clean anything I don't understand :p), so I need your help, please. |
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| 07:24.34 | jomofcw | First : I've got two directory in my "/mnt" folder that's called by username. In those I've got again a folder with username as name, and then the same content that I have in the home of the username (in summary : /mnt/username/username is equal to /home/username but it doesn't seems to be a symlink). Is it normal ? |
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| 07:29.02 | maxy | jomofcw, did you maybe mount your home partition at /mnt/username instead of /mnt? |
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| 07:30.49 | jomofcw | Hello maxy ! |
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| 07:31.22 | jomofcw | I've never do that :/... but some others people could have work on the server ine the meantime. I may try to umount it so ? |
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| 07:50.49 | jomofcw | When I try to unmount /mnt/* it answer me that both /mnt/username isn't mounted :/. |
| 07:53.00 | ayekat | jomofcw: what's the output of `findmnt`? |
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| 07:55.03 | ayekat | (before you randomly try to umount stuff) |
| 07:57.00 | jomofcw | Hello ayekat :). |
| 07:57.57 | jomofcw | Here we are ayekat : https://gist.github.com/jomofcw/479a7c9922d67eec38750f26c7886d99 |
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| 08:00.33 | humpled | when i try to unmount /mnt/* it tells me that some things aren't mounted as well |
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| 08:02.31 | ayekat | jomofcw: there is nothing mounted under /mnt or any of the subdirectories |
| 08:02.43 | ayekat | jomofcw: there is nothing mounted under /home either, though |
| 08:03.15 | ayekat | jomofcw: if you create a file in your home directory (/home/{username} ?), does it show up in /mnt/{username} as well? |
| 08:03.55 | maxy | jomofcw: try 'ls -ldi /mnt/username/username /home/username' to tell if any of those are symlinks or hardlinks |
| 08:04.10 | maxy | (same inode number) |
| 08:06.39 | ayekat | directories can't be hardlinks |
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| 08:07.31 | jomofcw | maxy hello ! Here we are about it : https://gist.github.com/jomofcw/e0050652ace267f73e8d6335dc1e37ca (i've replaced my username by "username") |
| 08:08.45 | jomofcw | ayekat nop it seems it doesn't. |
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| 08:09.11 | jomofcw | I've created a file "test" in "/home/username" and I don't see it in "/mnt/username/username". |
| 08:09.44 | maxy | maybe someone thought that some device was mounted on /mnt/, and did copy the stuff there |
| 08:09.47 | ayekat | so I guess those directories got duplicated due to some (probably botched) action in the past |
| 08:11.10 | jomofcw | OK... so i've nothing elese to do to remove it than "rm -R /mnt" ? (as I've got only both of those directory in it) |
| 08:11.22 | jomofcw | "rm -R /mnt/*" |
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| 08:14.08 | maxy | jomofcw, if this is a shared machine and you don't know all its users, at the very least I'd move the content away from /mnt/ where it clearly doesn't belong, to /to-be-deleted or something |
| 08:14.12 | themill | jomofcw: what's the actual problem you're trying to solve? |
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| 08:15.08 | ayekat | mysterious duplicate home directory under /mnt, and nobody knows how it got there |
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| 08:16.52 | maxy | jomofcw: on a shared machine another idea is to check the bash history ('history | grep -C30 /mnt'), which may tell you what happened around that time |
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| 08:23.57 | jomofcw | maxy thanjs ^^ can't see relevant informations there :/. |
| 08:24.09 | jomofcw | Hm Ok for move it instead of delete it. |
| 08:24.22 | themill | Have you looked at the output of "mount" |
| 08:24.53 | jomofcw | themill yea we did it previously |
| 08:24.56 | themill | (also a directory being called /foo/$USER doesn't make it your $HOME) |
| 08:25.06 | jomofcw | Right too. |
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| 08:39.52 | funabashi | or take over |
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| 09:11.13 | newtodeb | hello guys anyone has knowledge about ipv6? |
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| 09:11.42 | fireba11 | newtodeb: too generic a question |
| 09:11.44 | newtodeb | my router hast DS-lite thats means no ipv4 only ipv4 packets disguised as ipv6 and now i cant ssh into my homwnetwork |
| 09:12.20 | newtodeb | did an traceroute to the ip6 adress of the device i want to ssh into and it always stops at the routers ip adress |
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| 09:48.10 | jomofcw | Is there a command to clean log archive (instead of empty the full log directory), please ? |
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| 09:55.58 | ratrace | jomofcw: clean in what way, as opposed to emptying it? there's logrotate which rotates logfiles and keeps configurable number of backup copies and logfile sizes |
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| 10:09.31 | fireba11 | jomofcw: i suggest editing logrotat rules if you want less logs in general :-D |
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| 10:16.47 | piensken | hy, my server is not mounting my usb 4g modem, it gives me: device not accepting address 5, error -11, then it goes to 6,7 and continues to the next usb module.. |
| 10:17.25 | piensken | can I mount it manually?? like a usb hdd? |
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| 10:24.52 | towo^work | piensken, a modem can't be mounted |
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| 10:25.13 | jomofcw | When I've installed debian i had no access to Internet on the machine so I can't add a mirror... now that Internet is fixed, how can I add the mirror, please ? |
| 10:25.24 | ratrace | actually.... there's a class of USB GSM thingies that can be attached in modem OR storage mode |
| 10:25.35 | towo^work | jomofcw, with any editor |
| 10:26.00 | ratrace | there used to be a program that allowed you to mount such USB sticks in their storage mode, but I forgot which was it, that was many years ago |
| 10:26.03 | han-solo | !sourcelist |
| 10:26.05 | ratrace | piensken: ^^^ |
| 10:26.18 | annadane | !buster sources.list |
| 10:26.19 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 10:26.25 | han-solo | gah |
| 10:26.35 | annadane | you can just 'apt edit-sources', jomofcw |
| 10:26.47 | ratrace | piensken: ah yes, usb-modeswitch |
| 10:26.50 | annadane | (i assume this is buster) |
| 10:27.07 | ratrace | ,v usb-modeswitch |
| 10:27.08 | judd | Package: usb-modeswitch on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.0+repack0-2; stretch: 2.5.0+repack0-1; bullseye: 2.5.2+repack0-2; buster: 2.5.2+repack0-2; sid: 2.5.2+repack0-2 |
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| 10:27.28 | jomofcw | Yea this is buster ^^ thanks =) |
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| 10:33.49 | piensken | ratrace ok thx :p |
| 10:34.05 | piensken | so when the linux doesn't load it... I need to reboot it? |
| 10:34.16 | piensken | or is there a service I can start |
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| 10:37.18 | ratrace | piensken: "load it"? |
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| 10:41.20 | jelly | is hwaddress in /e/n/interfaces iface static definition used to identify the iface, or to _set_ the MAC/hardware address? stretch and buster. |
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| 10:47.05 | colo-work | jelly, since you are allowed to set the string value "random" here, I'd wager it's for _setting_ the L2 address |
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| 10:47.53 | piensken | ratrace yes when its booting he wants to give the usb a number " device not accepting address5, error -110 |
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| 10:49.07 | jelly | yeah, looks that way |
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| 10:56.10 | ratrace | piensken: I have no idea what you're talking about, you'd have to be more specific, pastebin some examples of exactly what's going on and what you expect to be going on. |
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| 10:58.51 | dacencora | Hey guys! My laptop has intel/nvidia switchable graphics. I always force it to use only the Nvidia card and it works well. Now this time on Debian, I can’t get the screen tearing fixed. I have the boot option set for drm modesetting as well as in modprobe.d |
| 10:58.58 | dacencora | I’m not sure what I’m missing |
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| 10:59.33 | dacencora | I’m dual booting with Gentoo and I do not have any screen tearing on Gentoo |
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| 11:31.00 | Eightynine | I can't install software using flatpak, it just stucks. I tried Gnome Software for installation. What should I do? |
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| 11:36.59 | towo^work | Eightynine, maybe give more infos as "i can't install" |
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| 11:45.11 | NetTerminalGene | Eightynine, try to install with command |
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| 11:46.21 | Eightynine | towo^work, I mean I click "Install" and it stucks at 0%. Installation in terminal is working both with deb and flatpak. But in Gnome Software I can install only deb. |
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| 11:50.17 | towo^work | and where is the problem, if it works in terminal? |
| 11:50.45 | Eightynine | I told already, It doesn't work in Gnome Software. |
| 11:51.12 | towo^work | has it to work in gnome software? |
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| 11:55.12 | Eightynine | I think it should, why is it showing then? |
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| 12:31.13 | jomofcw | I've just installed openssh-server. Now I can connect to my machine using SSH protocol, but when I enter the root login it answer me that it's incorrect. i'm pretty sure it's the good one... anything to enable to connect in root using SSH, please ? |
| 12:32.22 | jelly | ,v asterisk |
| 12:32.23 | judd | Package: asterisk on amd64 -- jessie: 1:11.13.1~dfsg-2+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1:11.13.1~dfsg-2+deb8u6; stretch: 1:13.14.1~dfsg-2+deb9u4; stretch-security: 1:13.14.1~dfsg-2+deb9u4; buster: 1:16.2.1~dfsg-1+deb10u1; bullseye: 1:16.2.1~dfsg-2; sid: 1:16.2.1~dfsg-2 |
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| 12:32.42 | dvs | jomofcw, "PermitRootLogin no" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
| 12:32.49 | pclover | ^ |
| 12:32.55 | jelly | jomofcw: root login with password is disabled by default, only by key auth |
| 12:33.28 | jomofcw | OK my bad I've just seen it :s |
| 12:33.30 | jelly | PermitRootLogin without-password # is default in buster |
| 12:33.39 | jomofcw | thanks both of you, sorry for your time :s |
| 12:33.56 | jelly | change to yes, or better set up ssh key on client and use that |
| 12:34.15 | pclover | or login as a normal user and escalate your privilege's |
| 12:34.40 | jelly | !ssh keys |
| 12:34.40 | dpkg | (1) on the client: ssh-keygen -t rsa (2) ssh-copy-id server.example.com. Ask me about <keychain> and <ssh-askpass> for ways of storing your ssh key's passphrase between uses. If you are wanting to use ssh to allow root logins for rsync backups (or something similar to that) then you might want to limit what this key can do and from where you can use it, see http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/rootrsync for one approach. |
| 12:35.05 | jomofcw | OK? thanks =) ! |
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| 12:35.37 | jelly | hmph. ssh-copy-id won't work. you'll have to manually add the contents of you ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to remote server /root/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 12:36.03 | ttyp123 | p123> can someone explain in practical terms, what is the difference between running php in php-cgi mode and php-fpm mode? Also what is the functional difference betweeen running php-fpm in unix socket mode vs TCP socket mode? what is used where? confused |
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| 12:36.24 | ttyp123 | sorry donno if this question should be asked in the php channel or over here |
| 12:36.29 | ttyp123 | i am setting it up on debian 10 |
| 12:37.05 | Haohmaru | sounds like a php question ;P~ |
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| 12:54.47 | pthomas | hello, I'm trying to build a debian package, dh_make created a nice little staging area and debuild builds the package |
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| 12:56.06 | pthomas | I see the debuild calls dh_install which parses debian/install, but what file does dh_link use? I can't find that in the documentation |
| 12:56.15 | pthomas | I tried debian/link |
| 12:56.24 | pthomas | but that didn't work |
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| 12:57.31 | pthomas | In the debuild man page I don't even see the reference to debian/install how does debuild know to use that file? |
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| 13:16.39 | pthomas | anyone who understands debuild around? |
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| 13:28.42 | themill | pthomas: debuild has nothing to do with debian/install, it only runs the appropriate rules in debian/rules |
| 13:28.46 | themill | !packaging tutorial |
| 13:28.46 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 13:29.24 | themill | also, man dh_link answers your other question |
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| 13:31.16 | pthomas | themill, thanks is debain/install treated the same as debian/package.install? |
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| 13:31.29 | litb | hello folks |
| 13:31.38 | litb | in Debian 10 with wayland, how can one execute synaptics? |
| 13:31.44 | litb | is it possible to use Xwayland? |
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| 13:32.32 | themill | pthomas: yes but I'd recommend always using the debian/$package.install variant; it tends to be simpler in the long run |
| 13:33.40 | themill | (debhelper(7) talks about this some more) |
| 13:34.11 | pthomas | ok thanks |
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| 13:36.03 | LtL | litb: you cannot use synaptic under Xwayland. |
| 13:36.15 | litb | LtL, oh that's bad |
| 13:36.27 | litb | why is that? |
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| 13:37.06 | themill | litb: synaptic hasn't learnt how to do things without running as root |
| 13:37.31 | litb | ah, I see. but when trying to run as root, it doesn't work either |
| 13:37.37 | LtL | litb: i don't know, if you have the option logging in to run your session under Xorg, it will work. i myself haven't tried that. |
| 13:38.22 | LtL | litb: there is also 'weston' which is in the debian wiki. |
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| 13:38.48 | litb | LtL, ah does syaptics run under weston directly? |
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| 13:39.34 | LtL | litb: according to the wiki, yes but it seems like a radical fix in my opinion. |
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| 13:40.22 | litb | LtL, shouldn't that be the normal way of operation, instead of running Xwayland? |
| 13:40.43 | litb | Does gnome not provide a native wayland compositor aswell? |
| 13:41.52 | LtL | litb: you can survive without synaptic. Xwayland is new to me and i don't use synaptic so i defer your question to the channel. |
| 13:43.07 | pthomas | themill, ok when I run dh_link directly I can see the link in debian/<package_name>/, but if I just put the pair in debian/package.links and run debuild I don't see it |
| 13:43.58 | LtL | litb: https://wiki.debian.org/Wayland |
| 13:44.08 | themill | pthomas: are you exporting DH_VERBOSE=1 from d/rules? That will often answer questions |
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| 13:52.14 | netcrash | Hello, how can I measure per core cpu load? |
| 13:52.52 | Haohmaru | xfce panel has one meter that can show individual cpu loads |
| 13:52.58 | Haohmaru | iirc "Resource Meter" |
| 13:53.10 | Haohmaru | or hm, i might be wrong about the name |
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| 13:54.12 | netcrash | I'm looking for something in the command line |
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| 13:54.18 | netcrash | it's for server usage |
| 13:57.03 | vlt | netcrash: top? |
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| 13:58.11 | netcrash | top , does not show cpu load per core |
| 13:59.06 | colo-work | mpstat -P ALL 1 |
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| 13:59.12 | themill | htop |
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| 14:01.09 | vlt | netcrash: It doesn't? |
| 14:01.38 | vlt | `top -1` |
| 14:01.44 | vlt | or "1" in top |
| 14:01.52 | vlt | Does that help? |
| 14:01.58 | netcrash | yeah, was missing that. Thank you |
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| 14:04.05 | netcrash | but does not show the load, only the cpu usage in % |
| 14:04.47 | netcrash | my problem is that I have zabbix report a per cpu load of 0.4 , and the machine load is at 1,2 ... I wanted to check if it's correct |
| 14:04.59 | netcrash | I checked the machine load using w |
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| 14:15.48 | mi11k1 | yes ppl, i am on an ubuntu machine on an ubuntu server. heres my problem my debian has developed a stupid problem. since switching to buster, i would call it random, HD just starts going nuts, and i cant do anything, cant even drop to another tty. I dont know what log to even start with. |
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| 14:18.23 | mi11k1 | i started using plasma desktop and theres a file catalogue daemon that makes me suspicious. |
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| 14:23.52 | kmmndr | Hi all :-) |
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| 14:26.04 | colo-work | mi11k1, try watching `iotop` for a while, maybe? |
| 14:26.14 | kmmndr | I'm trying to install glusterfs on a debian k8s node, but it is missing module `target_core_user` not compiled into default kernel |
| 14:26.27 | mi11k1 | colo-work, i did, nothing |
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| 14:26.53 | kmmndr | Is there any particular reason for not having included this module ? |
| 14:27.26 | mi11k1 | colo-work, at first i thought it was kodi, but nope, then java, nope, lots of HD space, lots of ram. |
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| 14:27.56 | mi11k1 | kmmndr, i messed with gluster not long ago, and it went without a hitch |
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| 14:30.12 | wwilliam | hello i have a dir with files 1 to 4 file1 file2 file3 file4 i move first file1 to another dir work with the file and then deleted, then i do mv file* from the preview dir and file1 shows again why if i already deleted from both dirs? |
| 14:31.08 | mi11k1 | wwilliam, is this a trick? |
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| 14:31.15 | greycat | the most obvious answer is "you did not actually mv file1 out of this directory", followed by "you are looking in the wrong directory" |
| 14:31.16 | wwilliam | no is for real |
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| 14:32.13 | mi11k1 | greycat, lol |
| 14:32.47 | kmmndr | mi11k1: Did you install glusterfs on debian ? or using glusterfs's docker image ? |
| 14:33.27 | mi11k1 | kmmndr, i never thought about a dockerimage. it was stretch i think |
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| 14:33.46 | mi11k1 | kmmndr, i was considering it for proxmox |
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| 14:35.06 | mi11k1 | kmmndr, i found a pretty simple tutorial and few cut and pastes and it was working |
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| 14:40.37 | mi11k1 | have a good day ppl. |
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| 14:45.28 | litb | hello all |
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| 14:45.36 | litb | I'm on buster, and using Cinnamon desktop |
| 14:46.00 | litb | however many CPU-usage panel applets won't work, event though I installed the packages they require |
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| 14:46.15 | litb | which is gir1.2-gtop-2.0 |
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| 14:50.46 | LtL | litb: give gkrellm a try. |
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| 14:55.16 | jak2000 | how to do: check the space with df -h and if space of / is 89 or 90% ocuppied, send a email to 3 email adress, how to? |
| 14:55.33 | greycat | there's https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/094 |
| 14:56.09 | litb | LtL, i used it 10 years ago. liked it, but I wanna have applets in the systray |
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| 14:56.26 | whislock | jak2000: It's best if you set about trying to this yourself, and if you run into any specific issues, we may be able to help those. |
| 14:56.54 | humpled | also, "occupied", free English advice! |
| 14:57.02 | whislock | jak2000: But "how do I do this?" isn't something this channel is generally willing to dive into. |
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| 14:57.26 | greycat | jak2000: whislock: https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/094 is a good starting point, I believe |
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| 14:58.19 | jak2000 | yes reading thanks greycat and whislock |
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| 14:58.51 | n_1-c_k | There's also monit, though its opinion of space usage is slightly different from df's. |
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| 14:59.16 | jak2000 | n_1-c_k: read -d '' -ra df_arr < <(LC_ALL=C df -P /); echo "${df_arr[11]}" |
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| 15:00.05 | n_1-c_k | jak2000, blimey I'm not brave enough to paste that. What it do? |
| 15:00.17 | greycat | it's from the FAQ page I posted twice |
| 15:00.30 | jak2000 | get the percentage of disk used.. :) |
| 15:00.49 | n_1-c_k | ah |
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| 15:03.49 | tsujp | So you know how docker is for containerisation, and you could use swarm or k8s or nomad for ochestration of those containers right, is there any kind of systemctl "orchestration" out there? |
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| 15:05.42 | ayekat | no idea about swarm or nomad, but k8s consists of multiple (IMHO heavy and chaotic) services running on each of the nodes - what exactly do you mean with an "orchestration" service? |
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| 15:09.11 | tsujp | I currently have a lot of `.service` files, thousands, running jobs. I need a way to migrate them from hsot A to host B if they fail |
| 15:09.17 | tsujp | So some orchestration system if I containerise them is good |
| 15:09.39 | tsujp | Containerising them isn't really a challenge, but finding some non-intrusive orchestration system that forces me to do things their way is proving incredibly annoying |
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| 15:09.57 | tsujp | k8s sucks cos it doesnt support swap or networking from this century, dockers networking is equally annoying |
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| 15:36.44 | humpled | haxst |
| 15:36.46 | greycat | hope that password isn't being used for anything else |
| 15:38.22 | haxste | No its unique. Egg on my face. Pasted in wrong field. |
| 15:40.18 | humpled | pasted |
| 15:41.00 | diogenes_ | i bet his email password is 1c/9pleaBNmtx# |
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| 16:14.01 | iTeV | anyone else experiencing broken packages when upgrading icinga2 on stretch? |
| 16:15.40 | iTeV | seems like libboost lib is the culprit |
| 16:16.25 | iTeV | icinga2 expects 1.67, meanwhile only 1.62 is available in the debian repository |
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| 16:19.04 | somiaj | !bat |
| 16:19.09 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 16:19.09 | humpled | my stretch says icinga2 depends on libboost-*1.62 |
| 16:19.27 | pie3 | i am still stuck at essay writing (english), anyone can help me how to start hook/thesis? |
| 16:19.52 | humpled | maybe try ##English? |
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| 16:21.36 | iTeV | humpled, https://8n1.org/15989/a2bd |
| 16:21.42 | iTeV | weird |
| 16:22.12 | humpled | ,v icinga2 |
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| 16:22.14 | judd | Package: icinga2 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.1.1-1; stretch: 2.6.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 2.10.3-2~bpo9+1; buster: 2.10.3-2; bullseye: 2.10.6-1; sid: 2.10.6-1; experimental: 2.11.0-1~exp1 |
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| 16:23.34 | iTeV | https://8n1.org/15990/509b |
| 16:23.42 | iTeV | ^^ output of `apt-cache depends icinga2-bin` |
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| 16:28.48 | iTeV | ,v icinga2-bin |
| 16:28.49 | judd | Package: icinga2-bin on amd64 -- jessie: 2.1.1-1; stretch: 2.6.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 2.10.3-2~bpo9+1; buster: 2.10.3-2; bullseye: 2.10.6-1; sid: 2.10.6-1; experimental: 2.11.0-1~exp1 |
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| 16:29.43 | iTeV | is that information up2date? |
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| 16:30.14 | iTeV | or am I misinterpreting something? |
| 16:30.27 | iTeV | icinga2-bin/icinga-stretch 2.11.0-2.stretch amd64 |
| 16:30.35 | iTeV | ... |
| 16:30.37 | iTeV | nvm |
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| 16:31.12 | iTeV | `ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/` |
| 16:31.14 | iTeV | > packages_icinga_com_debian.list |
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| 16:32.23 | iTeV | aka, I am using packages from icinga2 repo, not debian repo. Sorry for inconvience :| |
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| 16:32.47 | iTeV | not suprised I have borked packages now x) |
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| 16:39.52 | Henry151 | hi folks |
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| 16:41.44 | Henry151 | i'm having a little trouble with my home webserver which is running debian. I periodically lose internet access, but have found that running "dhclient -d eno2" restores my internet connection. I haven't figured out what is causing this and don't really understand why it's happening, so I made a make-shift solution, which is a little bash script that runs every three minutes, which runs "dhclient -d |
| 16:41.50 | Henry151 | eno2", sleeps for 10 seconds, and kills itself |
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| 16:42.39 | Henry151 | this seems terribly hackish and not proper at all, so i would love help configuring my DNS or dhclient or dhcp or whatever it's called, properly, so that it handles this stuff the right way, automatically. |
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| 16:50.31 | Henry151 | also, in an unrelated question, i see in my log of #debian "--- Log closed Sat Sep 21 13:16:06 2019" -- anybody know what happened there? was I kicked out for some indiscretion? |
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| 17:07.14 | jhutchins_wk | Henry151: How do you have your interface configured? |
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| 17:20.49 | Henry151 | jhutchins_wk: i'm not sure what you mean. I know that when I first booted up this machine, i had no internet connection; I plugged an ethernet cable in to my router, and into the network card on the back of the machine, and i still had no internet; then I spent a couple hours asking people on IRC chat how to get internet working, and finally, got it working by running "dhclient -d eno2", waiting 10 |
| 17:20.55 | Henry151 | seconds, and killing that process with ctrl+c -- that made the internet work |
| 17:21.32 | greycat | Henry151: is eno2 defined in /etc/network/interfaces, or are you using network-manager, or connman, or something else? |
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| 17:23.17 | Henry151 | greycat: I don't see eno2 defined in /etc/network/interfaces, and i don't see network-manager.service running; here's a paste of a few things that I thought might help: https://bpaste.net/show/rR8v |
| 17:23.42 | Henry151 | connman.service also could not be found. |
| 17:24.18 | greycat | Henry151: try NetworkManager.service |
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| 17:24.37 | Henry151 | Unit NetworkManager.service could not be found. |
| 17:24.46 | Henry151 | thank you for the help greycat! |
| 17:25.12 | Henry151 | i'm not sure how it's set up, because i didn't manually set hardly anything up, just installed debian and ran that dhclient -d eno2 command |
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| 17:25.36 | greycat | Henry151: so how *is* your network interface configured? Does it work at all after you boot, or do you have to run dhclient by hand even at boot time? |
| 17:25.49 | Henry151 | i have to run dhclient by hand at boot time |
| 17:26.13 | Henry151 | though this thing is supposed to be "always on" so i've only rebooted it twice since install |
| 17:26.46 | Henry151 | maybe fixing this could be as simple as installing network-manager or something? |
| 17:26.54 | greycat | Well then, I would suggest you add two lines to your /etc/network/interfaces file: "auto eno2" and "iface eno2 inet dhcp" |
| 17:27.32 | Henry151 | done! |
| 17:27.37 | greycat | That should run the dhclient for you at boot time, and it should *stay* running, which allows it to refresh your IP address when the lease expires. |
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| 17:27.40 | NetTerminalGene | there is ublock origin addon package in repos. do they update it if necessary? can i use it without hesitation? |
| 17:28.10 | Henry151 | i guess i can remove my silly crontab scripts now, and see if the symptoms go away. Thanks greycat you're the best! |
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| 17:28.24 | greycat | I've never used a browser add-on from a Debian package. I just install it in the browser from upstream. |
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| 17:29.15 | jhutchins_wk | Henry151: You need to do "service network restart" to implement the change. |
| 17:29.32 | NetTerminalGene | greycat, do you use esr? |
| 17:29.32 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: it's not updated nearly fast enough, don't bother with it. |
| 17:29.43 | greycat | Eric S. Raymond? no... |
| 17:29.53 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Should that be "hotplug" instead of "auto" if he has a wonky connection? |
| 17:30.03 | jelly | ,i firefox-esr |
| 17:30.04 | judd | Package firefox-esr (web, optional) in buster/amd64: Mozilla Firefox web browser - Extended Support Release (ESR). Version: 60.8.0esr-1~deb10u1; Size: 40770.5k; Installed: 162694k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/firefox-esr |
| 17:30.06 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: It's an onboard interface (eno). So I would say no. |
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| 17:30.48 | greycat | NetTerminalGene: in firefox-esr I use NoScript. In google-chrome-stable I use uBlock origin. |
| 17:31.16 | NetTerminalGene | "google chrome" >.< |
| 17:31.20 | jhutchins_wk | Henry151: If it doesn't auto-recover once configured, you could look at the netplug and ifplugd packages. |
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| 17:32.58 | Henry151 | thank you jhutchins_wk ! |
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| 17:33.38 | diogenes_ | btw guys, do you use hw accel in ff? (layers.acceleration.force true) |
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| 17:37.31 | NetTerminalGene | diogenes_, performance drops for me |
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| 17:38.35 | diogenes_ | NetTerminalGene, depends on the gpu, for me it decreases cpu comsumption. |
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| 17:55.29 | mutante | i had a Lenovo X1 Carbon 5th gen and then it needed mainboard replacement under warranty. got a loaner while waiting for it and just swapped SSD between them so i had my Debian OS just like before and didn't need to reinstall anything. except now that it's back in the original..audio stopped working. kernel module is loaded. user is in audio group. mixer is not it. in MATE desktop GUI under System |
| 17:55.35 | mutante | Prefereces it is just shown as "Disabled" |
| 17:56.01 | mutante | already tried reinstalling alsa and pulseaudio and double checked BIOS for anything disabling it.. no luck |
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| 17:57.00 | greycat | mutante: Pulse Audio with only a Dummy Output? Possibly caused by timidity taking control of the sound card? |
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| 17:58.53 | mutante | 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio (rev 21) | i also deleted .config/pulse/ and it recreated files in it |
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| 17:59.39 | greycat | I don't use Pulse Audio myself. But it sounds like you do. Can you ask Pulse Audio to list all the devices it can list? Is "Dummy Output" the only thing in that list? If so, see the wiki. https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster |
| 17:59.59 | greycat | I didn't write that section, so I do not know how to give you any more details. |
| 18:00.46 | Henry151 | mutante: I had an issue with no audio after my recent update to 10... had to disable timidity, that fixed it for me |
| 18:00.48 | mutante | greycat: to find that out i used "pacmd list-sinks" yesterday and yes it shows "Dummy Ooutput" |
| 18:01.09 | greycat | if that's *all* it shows, then try the timidity thing |
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| 18:01.11 | mutante | ok, so already 2 people mentioning timidity. i will look into that. thanks |
| 18:01.33 | Henry151 | i ran "systemctl stop timidity" and "systemctl disable timidity" and that fixed all my audio woes after the update. |
| 18:02.36 | mutante | hmm. that sounded so promising. but already was "Unit timidity.service not loaded." |
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| 18:05.30 | mutante | i am using MATE desktop. it's like it is shown as disabled there only. I do not have a Unit timidity.service even though i am on buster |
| 18:06.05 | mutante | it is like the system tries to look for the previous hardware and got confused by the hardware swap. any other things to make it detect hardware again like during install? |
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| 18:07.19 | mutante | last time i did this i had 2 difference devices in the GUI System Preferences and had to just switch. |
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| 18:09.00 | c0rnelius | well just running lsusb should tell you if it sees the usb as 3.0 |
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| 18:09.26 | c0rnelius | should also give the bus and device id number |
| 18:09.59 | c0rnelius | shit wrong channel :) |
| 18:10.04 | mutante | you got me confused :) |
| 18:10.15 | c0rnelius | my bad :) |
| 18:10.20 | mutante | no worries |
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| 18:10.52 | jelly | mutante: if you also have old ~/.pulse delete that as well while pa is not running |
| 18:11.24 | jelly | wonders why people have timidity installed |
| 18:11.42 | greycat | I assume it's brought in as a recommends or depends by something GUI-ish |
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| 18:12.24 | jelly | fluidsynth is loads better, sure it also eats lots more cpu but it's like 20-40% of a sandybridge core or so |
| 18:12.45 | mutante | jelly: thanks. but only had .config/pulse not .pulse. but let me do that again |
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| 18:23.47 | X_fly_al-x | i got bluetooth problems with my headphones pxc 550. When i connecting to them, bluetooth will be directly disabled in kde |
| 18:24.16 | X_fly_al-x | Sep 30 20:21:49 Inspiron-7537 bluetoothd[946]: Failed to set mode: Blocked through rfkill (0x12) |
| 18:24.31 | X_fly_al-x | Sep 30 20:22:21 Inspiron-7537 bluetoothd[946]: Unable to get Headset Voice gateway SDP record: Host is down |
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| 18:26.17 | X_fly_al-x | Sep 30 20:26:02 Inspiron-7537 bluetoothd[3150]: Failed to add UUID: Busy (0x0a) |
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| 18:26.52 | X_fly_al-x | after 3 times restarting bluetooth the error in status is gone |
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| 18:27.25 | X_fly_al-x | but when i try to connect to headphones again, the same happens |
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| 18:27.42 | jrj | hello. i want to know about how and __when__ works dependency resolution, when i install some package. is it described somewhere to read? |
| 18:28.49 | jrj | googling show only how to fox broken, but it is not that i want to know |
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| 18:29.07 | greycat | jrj: apt (or whatever front-end tool you use) does its own dependency calculations, so it knows what else it has to grab. It calls dpkg to do the actual installations. dpkg does its own separate round of dependency verification for each package. |
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| 18:30.15 | jrj | greycat, can you suggest something to read? like some sort of docs? |
| 18:30.40 | greycat | I have no idea what more you want to know. |
| 18:30.49 | no_gravity | Hmm... Why is this "scp some/file.txt somehost.com:/some/path/" giving me "scp: /some/path/: Is a directory" ? |
| 18:31.44 | greycat | probably because of something critically important that you are not showing us because you obfuscated the command beyond recognition |
| 18:32.39 | no_gravity | greycat: Only changed the paths and hostname. |
| 18:33.09 | jrj | greycat, is it calculated before any action, or while installing? some kind of mechanic description. |
| 18:33.20 | greycat | jrj: apt (or whatever front-end tool you use) does its own dependency calculations, so it knows what else it has to grab. It calls dpkg to do the actual installations. dpkg does its own separate round of dependency verification for each package. |
| 18:33.46 | no_gravity | I must be missing something completely fundamental in my sleepy state. |
| 18:35.00 | no_gravity | Ah, found it! Becuase the "path/" part of "/some/path/" did not exist on the other side! |
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| 18:36.40 | jrj | one man just told me about about some recent fail about php-common installation. he tells like it installed first, and after that find out, that there some conflicts in required versions in other php packages... so i wonder how it works at all |
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| 19:09.00 | Remy^ | i have installed debian succesfully, only the pictorgams of e.g. maps or browsers doesnt work.. anyone? |
| 19:09.22 | Remy^ | they don`t show up |
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| 19:09.42 | greycat | if you mean emoji characters in fonts, you probably need to install a bunch of random font packages until you find the one that you need |
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| 19:09.53 | jhutchins_wk | jrj: That kind of failure shouldn't happen with a standard Debian stable install. |
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| 19:10.07 | greycat | fonts-symbola might be a good start |
| 19:10.20 | jhutchins_wk | jrj: If you install packages from testing, unstable, experimental, or from third parties it might happen. |
| 19:10.22 | Remy^ | no it doesnt spell emoji |
| 19:10.45 | greycat | Then explain what you mean by "pictograms of e.g. maps or browsers". |
| 19:11.07 | SerajewelKS | which package should i file kernel bugs against? the specific version (linux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64) or some metapackage? |
| 19:11.08 | jelly | Remy^: can you upload a screenshot and point out the issue |
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| 19:11.29 | Remy^ | its gnome 2 and xfce |
| 19:11.43 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: You should verify that it is in fact a bug and not a misconfiguration, possibly by seeing if other people can reproduce it. |
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| 19:11.48 | Remy^ | screenshot maybe i`ll have to figure that one |
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| 19:11.50 | jelly | Remy^: "gnome 2"? Which Debian version is that? |
| 19:12.27 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: already done. it looks like a long-standing bug in e1000e. |
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| 19:12.34 | jrj | jhutchins_wk, as i understand that man - he told about standard updates repo. no any testing or experimental |
| 19:12.42 | jhutchins_wk | I think perhaps Remy^ means that he has no shortcut icons on his desktop, probably because he hasn't created any. |
| 19:12.58 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: You can just add a "me too" comment. |
| 19:13.00 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=657689 |
| 19:13.01 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/657689 in linux-2.6 (closed, upstream, fixed-upstream, moreinfo, patch): «e1000e Detected Hardware Unit Hang:»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-01-28; last modified: 2013-08-04. |
| 19:13.08 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: it was closed in 2012 |
| 19:13.14 | Remy^ | no thats it there is a short cut and only the pictogram doesnt show up |
| 19:13.48 | dvs | Remy^, sounds like a case for imgur... |
| 19:13.56 | jhutchins_wk | Remy^: So just a box or something instead of the icons? How did you install the DEs? |
| 19:14.05 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: i don't know if it's the same issue (the module recovers after ~4 seconds but with the interface bridged it causes the bridge to learn/listen for 30 seconds before forwarding again) |
| 19:14.12 | jelly | SerajewelKS: similar symptom does not necessarily mean same bug |
| 19:14.14 | SerajewelKS | at any rate it looks like a regression |
| 19:14.25 | SerajewelKS | jelly: right. i mention it in the report as possibly related. |
| 19:14.42 | SerajewelKS | i'm just not sure which package to send the report to (the report is already written, i can pastebin it if someone wants to take a look first) |
| 19:14.57 | Remy^ | whats DEs? |
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| 19:15.42 | jelly | SerajewelKS: actual kernel package. That's src:linux anyway |
| 19:15.44 | greycat | desktop environments |
| 19:16.03 | jelly | the metapackage has a separate source |
| 19:16.13 | SerajewelKS | jelly: ah. i ask because i see other bugs reported against e.g. linux-image-4.19 |
| 19:16.18 | jhutchins_wk | Remy^: Desktop Environments (gnome and xfce). |
| 19:16.21 | SerajewelKS | instead of the one with a specific version in the package name |
| 19:16.32 | jelly | SerajewelKS: that one is built from src:linux too I think? |
| 19:16.43 | jhutchins_wk | Remy^: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 19:16.49 | Remy^ | yes that i have.. now the desktop-pictograms |
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| 19:17.03 | SerajewelKS | jelly: yeah. was just unsure of the best practice. |
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| 19:17.11 | SerajewelKS | i know kernel packages are handled a bit differently |
| 19:17.13 | Remy^ | jhutchins_wk, how do i chek that one |
| 19:17.18 | velix | For over 15 years, I haven't used Linux with a GUI. I think, a GUI on linux would be a step back for me. |
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| 19:17.40 | jelly | SerajewelKS: the maintainers will reassign anyway if they deem it necessary |
| 19:17.50 | jhutchins_wk | Remy^: in a console, cat /etc/*release |
| 19:18.05 | greycat | I use a fairly minimal GUI. Just a traditional window manager on top of X11, lots of terminal windows, and web browser. Not much more. |
| 19:18.06 | SerajewelKS | jelly: cool, thanks. just wanted to make it easier for them. |
| 19:18.15 | Remy^ | PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie) |
| 19:18.31 | greycat | jessie is two releases behind stable, by the way |
| 19:18.45 | velix | I'm also running ONE vm with Jessie. |
| 19:18.49 | velix | Most software is from 2013 |
| 19:19.38 | SerajewelKS | heh, the hang happened again while i was trying to send the report |
| 19:19.52 | Remy^ | anyone..? |
| 19:20.55 | dvs | Remy^, greycat> jessie is two releases behind stable, by the way |
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| 19:21.42 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk / jelly: if you are interested or know of any additional information i could provide, this is the report: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=941450 |
| 19:22.26 | jhutchins_wk | Remy^: That would be a good solution, re-install with buster (10). |
| 19:22.42 | jhutchins_wk | Remy^: It's hard to dig back that far and figure out what went wrong with your install. |
| 19:22.45 | Remy^ | problem is i dont like gnome3 |
| 19:22.58 | dvs | Remy^, then use mate |
| 19:23.11 | Remy^ | gnome2 is also okay |
| 19:23.16 | jhutchins_wk | Remy^: Many of us do not run it, and yes, mate is a modern release equivalent to gnome 2. |
| 19:23.35 | jhutchins_wk | Remy^: I like xfce - it stays out of my way. |
| 19:23.53 | dvs | gets in jhutchins_wk way and gets bowled over |
| 19:23.54 | jhutchins_wk | Remy^: It's possible that for some reason the icon (pictogram) files did not get installed. |
| 19:23.57 | jelly | mate or maybe cinnamon seem to be close to gnome 2 |
| 19:24.15 | Remy^ | i`ll check that |
| 19:24.18 | Remy^ | later |
| 19:25.10 | jhutchins_wk | We had a LUG member who was so pissed off at gnome 3 that he stormed off and wrote his own OS. |
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| 19:26.38 | mureena | Well that's perfect, make something that people hate which forces people to innovate |
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| 19:26.49 | mureena | I'm going to include that as a driver for motivation |
| 19:27.37 | dvs | storms off and writes his own country |
| 19:27.58 | lupine | I really like gnome-shell *shrug* |
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| 19:35.55 | jhutchins_wk | A lot depends on when you came to linux, and from what platform. |
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| 19:39.57 | somiaj | And once you add in all the window managers out there, you have no shortage of choice in the linux world for guis |
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| 19:40.43 | greycat | I think a lot of newcomers aren't aware that they can have a GUI without a Desktop Environment, and think there are only ~4 choices. |
| 19:40.48 | Inconvenience | whats the program that does whois |
| 19:40.48 | annadane | i've thought occasionally xfce would make a better default for debian than GNOME... imagine coming into debian linux as a newbie, "no minimize button?" |
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| 19:42.18 | somiaj | Inconvenience: you mean the 'whois' program? |
| 19:42.41 | somiaj | Inconvenience: or do you want the package that contains that program? |
| 19:43.53 | Inconvenience | uggh |
| 19:44.00 | Inconvenience | just make it easy for me |
| 19:44.05 | Inconvenience | lel |
| 19:44.06 | somiaj | I don't know what you are asking |
| 19:44.13 | Inconvenience | i dont know what im asking |
| 19:44.18 | greycat | Inconvenience: apt install whois; whois google.com |
| 19:44.26 | Inconvenience | k |
| 19:44.31 | jelly | Inconvenience: it's "whois", amusingly |
| 19:44.48 | Inconvenience | ive installed it before too |
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| 19:50.44 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, here's a "best 12" article: https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/best-linux-desktop-environments/ |
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| 19:54.24 | greycat | there's really not much meat in this article |
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| 20:00.55 | jhutchins_wk | No, but if the field's large enough to do a "best 12" article in the first place that's a lot of candidates. I imagine a lot of them are just customizations. |
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| 20:06.26 | greycat | I've never even heard of some of them. |
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| 20:16.13 | oskie | sorry |
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| 20:25.32 | hesco | apparently `lsb_release -cs` no longer works in stretch. is there a new cli utility for querying /etc/os-release? |
| 20:25.58 | greycat | cat /etc/os-release |
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| 20:28.26 | jelly | hesco: it says "stretch" on my stretch installation, what is it supposed to do? |
| 20:28.55 | greycat | it says "buster" on buster |
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| 20:29.13 | greycat | hesco: hint: nobody here knows what your command is *supposed* to do... that might tell you something |
| 20:29.15 | hesco | I am getting back n/a which is breaking my apt-get work. |
| 20:29.19 | remy^ | how do i uninstall gnome3? |
| 20:29.27 | remy^ | and install gnome2 |
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| 20:30.22 | hesco | my puppet agent rewrites my sources.list files before running apt-get update, before proceeding with the rest of its work. broken dependency causes everything else to fail. |
| 20:30.24 | greycat | if I'm reading the man page right, it's supposed to display the "code name" of the current OS, without any headers or other metadata |
| 20:31.00 | jelly | hesco: weird. What does "cat /etc/debian_version" and "grep -i stretch /usr/share/distro-info/debian.csv" say? |
| 20:31.21 | greycat | also what does grep CODENAME /etc/os-release say? |
| 20:31.57 | jelly | strace does not show that command opening /etc/os-release at all |
| 20:32.21 | greycat | oh, fun. |
| 20:32.36 | greycat | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Aug 30 08:31 /etc/os-release -> ../usr/lib/os-release |
| 20:32.36 | greycat | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 261 Aug 30 08:31 /usr/lib/os-release |
| 20:32.43 | greycat | and mine opens /usr/lib/os-release |
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| 20:33.41 | hesco | /etc/debian_version says 9.9; the grep reports: No such file or directory |
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| 20:34.36 | swift110 | hey all |
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| 20:34.59 | greycat | hesco: well, it sounds like your base-files package is messed up, maybe try reinstallint it |
| 20:35.17 | jelly | ,depends lsb-release --release stretch |
| 20:35.18 | judd | Package lsb-release in stretch/amd64 -- depends: python3:any (>= 3.4~), distro-info-data. |
| 20:35.40 | greycat | base-files is Essential, so no need to depend on it |
| 20:36.06 | somiaj | hesco: lsb_release -cs works for me on both stretch and buster. |
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| 20:36.25 | jelly | hesco: is distro-info-data installed? |
| 20:36.26 | somiaj | hesco: note, debian had mention of this in its release notes, I don't think all of the stuff needed for lsb_release is installed by default. |
| 20:36.50 | hesco | ok, then I am looking at a broken installation. distro-info-data: command not found. |
| 20:37.00 | jelly | it's a package name, not a command |
| 20:37.04 | somiaj | I know I need lsb_release to work when installing maple, and I have to install additional packages on stretch and buster to deal with this. |
| 20:37.05 | greycat | if he's getting "No such file or directory" from "grep CODENAME /etc/os-release" then base-files needs to be (re)installed |
| 20:37.29 | hesco | package is not installed on this machine |
| 20:37.37 | jelly | greycat: maybe he liked my grep better than your grep. |
| 20:37.40 | greycat | either the /etc/os-release symlink is missing, or the /usr/lib/os-release file is missing, or both |
| 20:37.40 | jelly | "grep -i stretch /usr/share/distro-info/debian.csv" |
| 20:37.55 | jelly | hesco: which grep are you talking about |
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| 20:39.04 | jelly | hesco: if you have lsb-release package installed but not distro-info-data package, you have broken dependencies already so anything is possible |
| 20:39.13 | hesco | I also have that symlink for os-release |
| 20:39.36 | jelly | hesco: which grep command is saying file not found? |
| 20:40.02 | jelly | "grep -i stretch /usr/share/distro-info/debian.csv" or "grep CODENAME /etc/os-release" |
| 20:40.27 | hesco | Thanks greycat, jelly and somiaj! That did it. |
| 20:40.35 | hesco | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 20:40.38 | hesco | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.40 | hesco | Y |
| 20:40.58 | hesco | now I get: |
| 20:41.01 | hesco | lsb_release -cs |
| 20:41.02 | jelly | assumes it was his grep not grey'cats |
| 20:41.03 | hesco | stretch |
| 20:41.08 | greycat | jelly: seems so. |
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| 20:41.27 | hesco | testing again, by running my puppet agent to see if this has resolved the issue. |
| 20:41.55 | hesco | yes, jelly, it was your grep I was reporting on |
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| 20:42.01 | jelly | right |
| 20:43.15 | Non-ICE | is there any way i can see in logs why my pi crashes whenever i connect the ethernet calbe? |
| 20:43.18 | Non-ICE | cable |
| 20:43.20 | Non-ICE | * |
| 20:43.52 | jelly | Non-ICE: a raspberry pi or some other kind of pi? |
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| 20:44.04 | Non-ICE | regular pi 3 B+ |
| 20:44.29 | swift110 | Non-ICE, i have that one as well |
| 20:44.32 | jelly | Non-ICE: you probably have Raspbian installed on it, not Debian. Ask in #raspberrypi or #raspbian, and check your power is decent |
| 20:44.41 | jelly | power supply* |
| 20:44.56 | hesco | Thanks greycat, jelly and somiaj! my puppet agent run output is now far more comforting colors! |
| 20:45.00 | Non-ICE | power is the special pi power |
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| 20:45.16 | jelly | maybe, but still not a question for #debian |
| 20:45.29 | Non-ICE | ihave been in the pi and raspberry channels and all they can say its akward |
| 20:45.34 | jelly | unless you installed actual armhf debian on it. |
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| 20:45.44 | Non-ICE | iwant to look in the logs, if any |
| 20:45.45 | hesco | and it reports this change in sources.list.d/docker.list |
| 20:45.48 | hesco | +deb [arch=amd64] https://download.docker.com/linux/debian stretch stable |
| 20:45.55 | hesco | we like that. |
| 20:46.01 | jelly | Non-ICE: use the right channels for your distro, please. |
| 20:46.26 | dbucklin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.30 | dbucklin | lol |
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| 20:47.40 | somiaj | hesco: note with debian you may find /etc/debian_version useful vs lsb_release, I think one of the release notes (stretch or jessie) mention some things to be aware of with debian's implimataion of lsb-foo |
| 20:47.48 | somiaj | but if you got it working, good to hear. |
| 20:48.54 | uniqdom | Hello, I have an HDMI attached monitor and I need to set up a custom resolution. I wonder if I need to use "gft" and/or "cvt" and then add the mode to xrandr, or those are just used when using VGA? |
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| 20:49.49 | c0rnelius | Non-ICE: is the eth0 ip address static or dhcp? I've seen it crash the eth0 if it's static and the ip is already in use, |
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| 21:59.20 | ghoti | I've seen a few guides on installing php7 in debian 8 suggest using repos at dotdeb.org. Is that a reliable resource for production environments? Or should I just upgrade from debian 8? What do I need to run php 7.3 in production without rolling my own? |
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| 22:02.04 | jelly | ghoti: it's better than nothing, and if you want php 7.3 use debian 10 as platform (starting from your existing installation that would mean a release upgrade from 8 to 9, and them another one from 9 to 10) |
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| 22:03.33 | ghoti | ya.. things are complicated further by the fact that I'm in a container in proxmox, so this'll have to be part of a larger upgrade project... |
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| 22:04.45 | ghoti | Do you think running a dotdeb package is better than running php5 (which fell off the security update train in January)? I'm leaning that way. |
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| 22:05.22 | jelly | I'd go with "probably yes" |
| 22:05.35 | ghoti | :) |
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| 22:12.18 | brutser | guys, cryptsetup is giving a message during boot "cryptsetup: Waiting for encrypted device /dev/xxx" it usually gives that when it cannot find the device (yet), but in case i have a usb/mini-pcie device, i guess the timing is different too and it display this message, although it can find the device right after that. does anyone know where this |
| 22:12.18 | brutser | message originate? i know it reads crypttab and then try to find/mount/decrypt the device it reads there, if it's the internal hdd it won't display the message. So i would like to 1. know where it originates from 2. can i somehow influence the behavior and suppress this message or have it wait or whatever? |
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| 22:12.42 | brutser | i cannot find this message in cryptsetup source, so probably some other process is responsible for it |
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| 22:14.26 | brutser | i guess systemd |
| 22:16.00 | qwepo | Hello! :) I'm trying to build a package based on instruction from https://github.com/flightaware/dump1090 this repository, everything builds correctly but I'm not sure how I'm supposed to create a package and install it, thanks! |
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| 22:20.15 | qwepo | I install the dependencies and run `dpkg-buildpackage -b` and everything looks alright but I can't find a .deb file anywhere |
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| 22:24.36 | DefX | I'm not sure but check in .. dir |
| 22:24.59 | qwepo | oh wow there it is, thanks! |
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| 22:25.45 | DefX | you're welcome :) |
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| 22:27.43 | dgriffi | why am I getting complaints from wodim of "Cannot load media with this drive!" "Try to load media by hand." "Cannot load media." ? |
| 22:27.58 | dgriffi | This drive and computer worked fine with Wodim before upgrading to Debian 10. |
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| 22:37.04 | ksk | dgriffi: what is wodim? |
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| 22:37.19 | ksk | nvm, got it :) |
| 22:37.48 | dgriffi | it just aborts before attempting to burn the disc |
| 22:38.07 | ksk | can you successfully use the drive for reading? I have totally no Idea, sounds like a bug.. |
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| 22:38.24 | dgriffi | ksk: debian 10 was released prematurely... lots of bugs |
| 22:38.27 | ksk | also, interesting to see someone burning CDs in 2019 ;) |
| 22:38.56 | dgriffi | a dvd actually |
| 22:39.04 | ksk | dgriffi: I did not really check how much bugs were discovered after release, but I never the less beg to differ :> |
| 22:40.10 | dgriffi | ksk: one of the bigger showstoppers is systemd barfing with NetworkManager and bringing down the whole system |
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| 22:41.29 | ksk | bug-id? |
| 22:41.44 | dgriffi | I haven't filed it yet |
| 22:41.47 | ksk | I do not have network manager on my debian install btw.. |
| 22:42.01 | dgriffi | network manage is a standard installed thing |
| 22:42.15 | ksk | depends on which tasks you choose in the installer, but yes. |
| 22:42.20 | ksk | I suppose bigger desktops do use it. |
| 22:42.25 | dgriffi | I'm not sure if network manager is particular to the problem, but it comes down to systemd barfing |
| 22:43.50 | dgriffi | I can mound and read DVDs just fine. Burned with this very drive. |
| 22:44.28 | ksk | kk. was just an Idea.. As I haven not burned optical disks in halve a decade, I dont really have first hand experience^^ |
| 22:44.38 | ksk | I suppose you checked the bugtracker already for "wodim"? |
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| 22:45.59 | ksk | mhhm, for an burner programm it has many "does not burn XY" bugs open :X |
| 22:46.23 | dgriffi | ksk: I see ten-year old bug reports for stuff similar to what I'm experiencing |
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| 22:55.40 | somiaj | back when I use to burn cds, I didn't run into any issues with wodim (use to be called cdrecord) |
| 22:55.47 | somiaj | there are some gui front endsd to it, but I never used them |
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| 23:12.50 | iamtheworstdev | I'm trying to do a debian netinstall from usb drive.. but it's failing because I don't have a CDROM? |
| 23:12.58 | iamtheworstdev | it = the installer.. after choosing keyboard layout |
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| 23:17.06 | themill | iamtheworstdev: how did you copy the image to the usb stick? |
| 23:17.21 | iamtheworstdev | balana etcher |
| 23:17.32 | iamtheworstdev | windows util to burn images to usb |
| 23:18.30 | themill | !etcher |
| 23:18.30 | dpkg | Initial testing shows etcher is not a reliable way to copy Debian images for installation. Instead, use cp or dd for linux or win32diskimager for Windows. https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 23:19.20 | iamtheworstdev | no kiddin |
| 23:19.42 | iamtheworstdev | wonder why that is. it's the recommended tool for raspberry images |
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| 23:20.56 | somiaj | !win32diskimgaer |
| 23:21.00 | somiaj | !win32diskimager |
| 23:21.00 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 23:21.29 | somiaj | though maybe the factoid should be updated, it is more much more relaibable than whatever tool you happen to use on windows (etchr in this cease) |
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| 23:30.28 | earend1 | is there a way to check the integrity of the installed packaged? |
| 23:30.51 | earend1 | packages* |
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| 23:33.15 | freenick1 | Hello i have a question regarding linux/GNU, am i welcome to ask? |
| 23:34.33 | freenick1 | A friend suggested me parrot-os from parrotsec.org but parrotlinux.domain is the only one showing up in search, parrotsec.org does not show up in search, am i SCAMMED? |
| 23:34.41 | somiaj | !parrotos |
| 23:34.41 | dpkg | Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrotsec on Freenode, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 23:35.01 | somiaj | freenick1: We suggest debian pure blends here, and do not support based on debian derivatives such as parrot os |
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| 23:35.43 | somiaj | Also in general security and pen testing distros (parrot/kali) are not good distros to learn on, they often have modified kernels or missing software one would expect in a desktop. |
| 23:35.49 | freenick1 | hmm |
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| 23:38.03 | themill | earend1: the packages ship md5sums of the files to guard against hardware failures, accidental modification etc. md5sums are at best a rudimentary security measure. `dpkg --verify` or `debsums` |
| 23:38.36 | themill | (you can't run a tool on the same system to do a security verification in any case) |
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| 23:41.09 | earend1 | themill: ok thanks. ??5?????? file .. is that what you would expect as output? also.. a little c in times. |
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| 23:41.36 | earend1 | c = corrupted or changed? |
| 23:41.38 | somiaj | don't they come with both md5sum and sha256 now? |
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| 23:42.21 | folial | hello guys |
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| 23:49.51 | folial | why `apt full-upgrade` shows nothing to do, but I stick with 10.0? |
| 23:50.30 | somiaj | have you ran apt update? what are your sources.list |
| 23:50.31 | dvs | maybe you need to do an "apt update" first |
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| 23:51.10 | dvs | suspects another "security only" list |
| 23:51.40 | folial | dvs, did it |
| 23:51.54 | folial | did `apt update` and `apt update --allow-releaseinfo-change` |
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| 23:52.52 | dvs | folial, what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 23:53.32 | folial | https://pastebin.com/hQiUenVi |
| 23:53.40 | folial | here it is my sources.list |
| 23:54.18 | folial | nothing else in sources.list.d |
| 23:54.24 | dvs | hmm... it's actually right |
| 23:55.50 | folial | `cat /etc/debian_version` -> 10.0 |
| 23:56.14 | folial | am I checking the wrong command for version? |
| 23:56.22 | dvs | nope |
| 23:56.53 | folial | that's strange, I cannot understand |
| 23:57.20 | folial | then, if it can help, I have another issue |
| 23:57.38 | folial | if I try to install some packages, I get some 404 |
| 23:58.09 | folial | E: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bzip2/bzip2-doc_1.0.6-9.1_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.240.204 80] |
| 23:58.09 | folial | E: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bzip2/libbz2-dev_1.0.6-9.1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.240.204 80] |
| 23:58.09 | folial | E: Failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/ncurses/libncurses-dev_6.1+20181013-2_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.240.204 80] |
| 23:58.25 | folial | it seems I am out of sync |
| 23:58.32 | folial | but `apt update` works |
| 23:58.55 | folial | should I try to change mirror? |
| 23:58.59 | ksk | it might be the mirror you get (deb.debian is anycast? not sure..) is out of sync |