| 00:00.06 | dvs | I got those errors today too |
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| 00:01.20 | folial | it's three days I try to install them, but nothing changes... |
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| 00:01.46 | folial | further, if I am late of a point release... that's quite bad for me!! |
| 00:02.37 | dvs | is there a http.it.debian.org still? |
| 00:02.38 | folial | changed mirror... seems there's something new |
| 00:02.49 | folial | I'm trying ftp.it.debian.org |
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| 00:03.23 | folial | got 87 packages to update |
| 00:03.37 | folial | broken mirror?? |
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| 00:08.21 | folial | fine... now I am 10.1 |
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| 00:08.30 | dvs | yay |
| 00:08.48 | themill | somiaj: only md5sums within the .deb packages; the Packages and Release files (which are what give you security on the downloads) have stronger hashes |
| 00:08.55 | folial | and those missing packages are back |
| 00:09.25 | folial | thank you guys |
| 00:09.32 | dvs | np |
| 00:09.41 | themill | earend1: see dpkg(1) and look at the entry for verify-format |
| 00:10.14 | folial | should I notify anyone about that broken mirror? |
| 00:13.53 | folial | thank you and good night |
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| 00:42.03 | woddf2 | When I installed the most recent kernel update, I lost Wi-Fi before I even rebooted. None of the usual iwconfig, ifup, ifdown, etc commands work. Ethernet still works, though. How do I get Wi-Fi back? |
| 00:42.51 | dvs | woddf2, update the firmware packages too? |
| 00:43.03 | pclover | also does dmesg say anything |
| 00:43.43 | earend1 | themill: thank you. |
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| 00:52.57 | woddf2 | pclover: I see nothing in /var/log/apt/history.log about it. |
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| 00:57.25 | somiaj | woddf2: 'ip a' first do you see your device, then check dmesg to see info about it. Maybe tell us what wifi chip you are using. (also what version of debian are you running and what did you upgrade to) |
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| 01:05.46 | woddf2 | somiaj: wls1 indeed appears there. |
| 01:06.15 | woddf2 | somiaj: I see nothing unusual in dmesg. |
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| 01:07.40 | woddf2 | somiaj: firmware-iwlwifi is the firmware package. Debian version is 10.1 (Buster). Kernels are 4.19.0-5-amd64 (old) and 4.19.0-6-amd64 (new). |
| 01:08.23 | ksk | woddf2: "dmesg | grep -i firmware" would normally show if the kernel things it is missing firmware for something |
| 01:08.33 | ksk | s/things/thinks |
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| 01:18.02 | themill | There was a wpa update that is perhaps more relevant |
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| 01:24.57 | Foxfir3 | arandr. no menu for saving configs. cant figure it out. tried re-installing. its from the Raspian repo. |
| 01:26.22 | Foxfir3 | tried to get around it with .xprofile, but that does'nt seem to get read |
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| 01:29.51 | woddf2 | ksk: That says it loaded just fine. |
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| 01:50.11 | uupz | hey all, was wondering if someone might have some input for me...i was using networkmanager in order to connect to my wifi network, however, when I ssh from my desktop to my linux machine and perform a reboot, the system does not come back on with connectivity. I then logon as a user, and my wifi cards are completely down. However, if i do a shutdown and a manual start up, the wifi networks are detected and the card is up...i've |
| 01:50.11 | uupz | tried both NetworkManager and WICD...any input would be greatly appreciated! |
| 01:50.51 | uupz | it seems as if something is not reloading properly on the reboot |
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| 02:08.19 | Deihmos | Settings for enp3s0: |
| 02:08.19 | Deihmos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:08.54 | Deihmos | wrong button |
| 02:09.08 | Deihmos | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/VgIyePGS/ |
| 02:09.23 | Deihmos | trying to determine link speed of my nic |
| 02:09.33 | Deihmos | is it connect at 1GB? |
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| 02:13.20 | dvs | Speed: 1000Mb/s |
| 02:13.35 | Deihmos | ok wanted to make sure |
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| 02:13.45 | Deihmos | not sure why things slower under linux |
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| 02:29.09 | dudebr | https://paste.debian.net/1103443/ |
| 02:29.36 | dudebr | cant uninstall trash-cli |
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| 02:30.37 | dvs | If only if we can speak Spanish |
| 02:32.21 | ksk | dudebr: do the same with "LANG=C; apt-get remove $pkg" (iirc it was LANG, not 100% sure..) - it should make the output a little bit more understandable for us.. |
| 02:32.58 | ksk | ,v trash-cli |
| 02:32.59 | judd | Package: trash-cli on amd64 -- jessie: 0.12.9.14-2; stretch: 0.12.9.14-2.1; bullseye: 0.17.1.14-2; buster: 0.17.1.14-2; sid: 0.17.1.14-2 |
| 02:33.00 | dvs | I don't think there should be a semicolin there. |
| 02:33.39 | ksk | you are most likely right :) |
| 02:34.27 | ksk | judging from what I can decipher it looks like a really borken debian install though.. |
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| 02:52.58 | dudebr | /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-uno.postinst: 6: /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-uno.postinst: pycompile: not found |
| 02:52.59 | dudebr | dpkg: erro ao processar o pacote python-uno (--configure): |
| 02:52.59 | dpkg | dudebr: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 02:55.17 | dudebr | is python necessary to debian work? i think a will unistall python |
| 02:55.35 | ksk | dudebr: how about following my advice? |
| 02:55.40 | ksk | and yes, python is mandatory. |
| 02:56.31 | dudebr | ksk i believe too the system is broken |
| 02:57.00 | ksk | ..and about providing the apt error in english? :) |
| 02:57.36 | dudebr | can i force apt to output in english? |
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| 02:57.58 | ksk | "LANG=C apt-get remove $pkg" |
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| 02:58.46 | ksk | (If you already know you messed up your system by randomly deleting files you might reconsider and spare us the effort - and just reinstall.. :P ) |
| 03:00.26 | dudebr | https://paste.debian.net/1103446/ |
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| 03:00.58 | dudebr | yes ksk i am thinking seriously to reinstall |
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| 03:04.41 | ksk | /bin/sh: 1: /usr/bin/apt-listchanges: not found -> your apt seems to think you have apt-listchanges installed - but the file is not there anymore |
| 03:05.52 | ksk | /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-uno.postinst: 6: /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-uno.postinst: pycompile: not found -> pycompile is part of the python package, and you seem to be missing that, too |
| 03:06.10 | ksk | WHY are you missing that files? You should never ever delete anything which is not in your users HOME directory |
| 03:07.36 | dudebr | i installed python3 after trash-cli piped some things to code and the system now is a mess |
| 03:08.07 | ksk | "piped some things to code" - what does that mean? |
| 03:08.29 | ksk | also, installing python3 (or using apt, in general) does not mess up your system. Debian is a very stable operating system. |
| 03:08.32 | dudebr | used pip to download libraries |
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| 03:08.49 | dvs | ... |
| 03:08.52 | ksk | using pip (as non-root..) is also not able to mess up your system |
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| 03:09.14 | dudebr | hum i guess i used pip as sudo |
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| 03:11.45 | dudebr | good to know i will never do this again |
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| 03:13.21 | ksk | the whole purpose of pip is that you can run it as user, and install everything you need - without ever adding anything system-wide |
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| 03:34.42 | jhutchins | It's not a bad idea to dedicate a system, perhapps a VM, to be a python development envoronment, separate from the system you use for regular work. |
| 03:35.15 | jhutchins | Roundcube 22:08 < ksk> "piped some things to code" - what does that mean? |
| 03:36.14 | jhutchins | Man, weird pastebuffer artifacts lately. |
| 03:37.37 | jhutchins | dudebr: If you're doing serious development, you will eventually boil it down to a minimal installl requirement. |
| 03:38.05 | jhutchins | dudebr: If you're just playing, go nuts. |
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| 03:41.25 | ben_ | Has anyone running bullseye run into nvidia suddently not working after updating last night? |
| 03:41.53 | ben_ | Running a GTX980 with prop drivers. Seemed to nuke my graphics system from yesterdays update. |
| 03:41.53 | nkuttler | jhutchins: the visual studio code executable is called "code".. |
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| 03:44.28 | ben_ | Oh nice it is segfaulting |
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| 03:50.18 | ksk | ben_: bullseye is testing? go debian-next then.. |
| 03:50.21 | ksk | !debian-next |
| 03:50.21 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 03:55.09 | dudebr | jhutchins is not serious development. for me debian is always fun |
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| 03:56.24 | dudebr | i am downloading the latest iso and dd to a pendrive and hope to get a clean reinstall |
| 03:58.42 | swift110 | nice |
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| 03:59.12 | swift110 | so far I am really liking debian thus far even if i have to get used to su in the terminal |
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| 04:04.06 | ksk | swift110: there also is sudo in debian, not sure what you are talking about ;) |
| 04:06.30 | dudebr | for now ahead sudo i grant only to backup an powerusers, sudo to common user if a menace to the system |
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| 04:13.25 | swift110 | yes but it wont install anything unless i do su first |
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| 04:15.57 | ksk | that is normal. only the superuser can modify the system |
| 04:16.02 | ksk | you might take a look at: |
| 04:16.04 | ksk | !debian handbook |
| 04:16.04 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
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| 04:29.21 | dudebr | ok, /dev is loaded with devices how i discover my pendrive? |
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| 04:31.09 | dudebr | i can only dd with the proper device |
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| 04:33.20 | EdePopede | dudebr: look into kern.log (i usually have it running in a screen window) for the device. or into /dev/disk/by-... whatever you may recognize (manufacturer, strings like "pendrive" etc) |
| 04:35.12 | EdePopede | dudebr: have one on the other PC. there is /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Verbatiom_STORE_N_GO_$foo for example |
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| 04:36.53 | EdePopede | dudebr: or `blkid` (best viewed on a wide terminal or with `less -S`) |
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| 04:41.15 | dudebr | thanks EdePopede how i could foget blkid |
| 04:41.40 | EdePopede | there are simply too many options for everything on linux :D |
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| 04:47.05 | dudebr | i must go, thanks |
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| 05:09.11 | pclover | So what mailing lists should i sub to if i want to see Debian packages updates as well as security ones? |
| 05:09.30 | pclover | doesn't seem there is all around package announcement mailing list unless i'm blind |
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| 05:14.42 | Henry151 | hey folks, i'm trying to get wireguard working and having some trouble, the wg-quick up wg0 script seems to fail because of no command called "resolvconf," but when i install openresolv it still isn't working, i think because openresolv and systemd-resolvd or something aren't playing nicely together |
| 05:14.47 | Henry151 | anybody want to help me sort it out? |
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| 05:25.48 | Mdlpe | hi, my Debian crashed. Where I can find informations about it ? |
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| 05:48.08 | diogenes_ | Mdlpe, start with cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 05:48.22 | EdePopede | Mdlpe: if you mean "what did actually happen", then in /var/log or `journalctl` |
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| 05:49.38 | BoyDoy | hi how can add listening port on debian 10? |
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| 05:49.59 | EdePopede | diogenes_: syslog still there in buster? looking for the name of that thing (i always expect it to be syslog-something) i found an article saying that fedora 20 removed it completely |
| 05:50.20 | BoyDoy | like this apache2 www-data tcp *:8080 |
| 05:50.46 | EdePopede | BoyDoy: privileged ports (<1024) only for root. so usually you start them as system services |
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| 05:51.29 | EdePopede | and the lower ports are officially assigned to some specific service usually (like 80/443 to http/https). take care if you misuse them |
| 05:51.53 | annadane | arr matey, spyware in yonder port. |
| 05:51.56 | EdePopede | ah, ok. 10 is free as per /etc/services |
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| 05:53.53 | EdePopede | uh, there are a couple of "Unassigned" ports in that area even per iana list. wondering if there used to be some ancient long forgotten services running on them. |
| 05:54.22 | annadane | wouldn't apache basically have port suggestions listed somewhere |
| 05:54.28 | annadane | i know nothing but i'd assume so |
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| 05:57.03 | EdePopede | 8080 (http-alt for webcache) is the only one listed in the 80* range. i always used 800* for alternative/additional httpds. |
| 05:57.51 | annadane | well, you clearly know what you're talking about. |
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| 05:57.58 | annadane | i, on the other hand, am cranky and tired |
| 05:58.07 | annadane | so i'll leave the question stuff to you |
| 05:59.14 | EdePopede | this kind of document was about the first things i've read when i'd put my hands on linux for the first time (minute based internet, 56k modem, no wikipedia) and then i don't like to use things i don't understand. that's all :) |
| 06:00.09 | BoyDoy | i like may apache listento port 8000 |
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| 06:00.51 | EdePopede | BoyDoy: no problem. works even when you run it as normal user (since >1024). you just have to tell it so in the conf or on the command line |
| 06:02.47 | EdePopede | if you don't know how this works in general, look into /etc/apache2, debian has a pretty flexible setup with a main conf file 'Include'ing some more stuff. even the ports are in an extra file, so you'd just have to rename it (never DELETE conf files if there's an alternative) and put your own into place |
| 06:03.15 | BoyDoy | how can i do this --> apache2 www-data tcp *:8000 (LISTEN) |
| 06:03.50 | BoyDoy | i view using lsof -i -P -n | grep LISTEN |
| 06:04.20 | EdePopede | heh, finally someone using lsof for the task as i do :) |
| 06:04.46 | Mdlpe | diogenes_: https://paste.debian.net/1103450/ in the syslog I didn't found any error. It's twice this append when I using this mouse and surfing on the web. |
| 06:05.29 | EdePopede | means: apache2 runs under user account "www-data" using tcp (not udp) listening to ALL IPs ('*') on port 8000. all this is set up in the files in /etc/apache2 |
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| 06:05.41 | BoyDoy | yes |
| 06:06.11 | diogenes_ | Mdlpe, maybe mouse does a short to ground? |
| 06:06.35 | BoyDoy | other than that i dont have to command on cli to make port LISTEN? |
| 06:06.59 | EdePopede | BoyDoy: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/ - pick up your apache version there, there are links to docs on the config files in the user's guide column |
| 06:07.48 | EdePopede | these settings are each made by a simply config option in the conf files, there may be also some XML like block for further settings |
| 06:08.18 | BoyDoy | ok. i dont need to allow or set on my firewall? |
| 06:08.52 | EdePopede | BoyDoy: LISTEN only means that there's a service, well... listening to it, thus running to use that port. unlike for example your chat client and your browser which may have lines ending with (ESTABLISHED) |
| 06:09.15 | EdePopede | the firewall would block it, if is told so. but should still work on the same pc |
| 06:09.28 | EdePopede | (localhost / 127.* connections) |
| 06:10.14 | EdePopede | `iptables` -L should show you your fw settings |
| 06:10.21 | EdePopede | `iptables -L` |
| 06:10.37 | BoyDoy | no appear any |
| 06:11.18 | BoyDoy | i using lsof -i -P -n | grep LISTEN i see all LISTEN port i have |
| 06:11.23 | EdePopede | then it should work. but if you don't need the world accessing your httpd you should set it up accordingly (Listen directive iirc) |
| 06:11.32 | EdePopede | yep |
| 06:12.11 | Mdlpe | diogenes_: I don't know. I got some crash with and external raid hdd. It completly brake the system, (no more usb on any plug). Strange |
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| 06:16.05 | BoyDoy | <EdePopede> how can i make open or listen port? |
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| 06:22.33 | EdePopede | BoyDoy: ports are open by default. you can block them (firewall) or you can use them by setting up a service (daemon in unix terms) listening on it |
| 06:23.23 | EdePopede | BoyDoy: btw, you should omit the <> around nicks, first of all it looks like the paste of what i said and then it also may break the highlightning in clients |
| 06:23.43 | Mdlpe | EdePopede: oct. 01 04:58:55 debian kernel: [Firmware Bug]: ACPI MWAIT C-state 0x0 not supported by HW (0x0) |
| 06:24.53 | Mdlpe | oct. 01 04:58:55 debian kernel: usb: port power management may be unreliable |
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| 06:29.14 | EdePopede | Mdlpe: your first line seems to be rather popular. first google entries are about ryzen |
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| 06:32.08 | EdePopede | Mdlpe: Disabling Global C State Control in the BIOS fixes the problem (from https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=238575) |
| 06:33.31 | EdePopede | but i never had any relevant ACPI problems, so i'm not really into bugfixing it. my first suggestion would have been to play a bit with Grub's ACPI options |
| 06:34.42 | EdePopede | and there's also EDD (Enhanced Disk Drive), may also have an effect |
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| 06:36.59 | nt80 | how can i resolve 'renameN' names for NIC interfaces in buster? |
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| 06:47.37 | Mdlpe | EdePopede: I need to leave for few hours. I'll come back and continue the investigation. Thanks a lot. |
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| 06:54.10 | EdePopede | Mdlpe: np, cu l8r |
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| 07:34.22 | yokowka | heavenO, what is mistake: ipmi dmi offset 0 |
| 07:34.36 | yokowka | and how to make it right? |
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| 07:38.11 | crizoual | Bonjour |
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| 07:41.36 | m92lk | Bonjour |
| 07:42.08 | Haohmaru | moi nicht parles espaniol |
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| 07:43.28 | Haohmaru | i think there is a canal between france and debian ;P~ |
| 07:43.45 | EdePopede | nah, that's britain |
| 07:43.55 | Haohmaru | no, i'm almost sure there is one |
| 07:43.56 | EdePopede | !fr |
| 07:43.57 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. |
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| 07:44.18 | Haohmaru | there, see! a canal! |
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| 07:45.41 | annadane | we were discussing this in OFTC (i hope this isn't too off topic but it's 4 AM and no one else has questions) and the non english channels really don't have a lot of people |
| 07:45.59 | annadane | i considered editing dpkg's factoids to include "...or ask in the mailing lists" |
| 07:46.02 | annadane | for that specific language |
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| 07:47.32 | annadane | #debian-es on oftc has what, 20 people |
| 07:47.36 | EdePopede | can confirm this for the german channel (next to 10am here btw ;)), been there long time ago, asked something, after i think 2 days i repeated the question here. which got answered by someone also being in -de :D |
| 07:47.41 | annadane | your odds of getting your question answered are basically zero |
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| 07:49.04 | annadane | also semi relatedly the "russian release notes" for debian 10, i've found are only half translated |
| 07:49.13 | annadane | i dearly hope that's a work in progress |
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| 07:51.53 | annadane | i'm just casually scrolling through freebsd's documentation and from a very brief skim it seems like *all* of the russian freebsd handbook is indeed translated into russian |
| 07:52.18 | annadane | debian... is fine for what it is and it's more than a little unfair to expect "someone else" to do all the work but... |
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| 07:53.18 | annadane | i also haven't helped things because i think my level of actually giving support has been bad, but that's another discussion |
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| 07:53.50 | Haohmaru | languages are barriers |
| 07:54.37 | Haohmaru | IMO people who deal with technology should have some basic understanding of english |
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| 07:55.36 | Haohmaru | humans should've figured out some global language |
| 07:55.43 | annadane | esperanto! |
| 07:55.51 | Haohmaru | not that one pls |
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| 07:56.57 | EdePopede | annadane: BSD's manpages also seem much better than those for Linux, i've read (even here i guess) |
| 07:57.13 | annadane | sure, BSD has better documentation in general |
| 07:57.29 | annadane | but there's certain things that ought to be fixed like half translated release notes |
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| 07:57.51 | Haohmaru | BSD was the one with the devil/demon character, right? |
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| 07:58.11 | annadane | freebsd specifically |
| 07:58.18 | Haohmaru | ah |
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| 07:58.37 | Haohmaru | i guess it's not aknowlaged by teh pope then |
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| 07:59.07 | Haohmaru | i wonder what OS the vatican uses for their servers ;P~ |
| 07:59.17 | EdePopede | technically english is a horrible language. it doesn't use any special letters, but that's really the only advantage. maybe besides mostly not using arbitrary and random gender cases (sun and moon, which one of them is male, which female?), but then... |
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| 08:01.25 | annadane | BSD is developed en masse by one company/community and linux distros pluck a bunch of stuff from upstream, stands to reason BSDs are more cohesive |
| 08:01.35 | annadane | downside is linux gets more mindshare/actual work contributed to it |
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| 08:02.15 | BrainWork | hi, apt-cache packagenames shows all packages that are available to install, as well as those installed, correct? |
| 08:02.17 | ratrace | I really wish that myth would die about BSD being one coherent whole as opposed to linux. all the major distros maintain and develop their base OS as one coherent whole. |
| 08:02.40 | jmd | I've just upgraded to 10.1 and now it seems that both ~/.xsession and ~/.xinitrc are ignored . How can I fix this? |
| 08:02.47 | BrainWork | i read a hardening howto that said it showed what was installed, and the help for it says "pkgnames - List the names of all packages in the system" |
| 08:02.51 | ratrace | BSDs also pick parts from upstream. ZFS for starters. LLVM/CLANG. And many other components are NOT developed by BSD |
| 08:02.58 | BrainWork | what exactly is the defintion of "in the system"? |
| 08:03.21 | ratrace | jmd: hasn't it always been ~/.xsessionrc on Debian? |
| 08:04.12 | ratrace | BrainWork: which how to? no crystall ball here, but I'm guessing the author meant "installed by and known to the package manager" |
| 08:04.26 | jmd | My existing file is .xsession but I will try .xsessionrc as well. |
| 08:04.45 | jmd | reboots |
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| 08:06.38 | annadane | anyway, encourage open source participation. *shrug* |
| 08:06.52 | annadane | strong community = better distro |
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| 08:07.34 | jmd | No. .xsessionrc doesn't do anthing either |
| 08:07.54 | EdePopede | though some kind of peer review wouldn't be bad (see stackexchange: "this question was protected... spam... low quality...") |
| 08:08.02 | hesco | what channel would be a good place to ask about nfs connectivity debug guidance? |
| 08:08.05 | ratrace | jmd: do for what exactly are you doing there? startx? |
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| 08:08.49 | jmd | ratrace: It shouldn't matter, but if you must know I'm setting my keymapping and my window manager. |
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| 08:10.22 | BrainWork | ratrace: this one, step 8: https://www.pluralsight.com/blog/it-ops/linux-hardening-secure-server-checklist |
| 08:10.25 | BrainWork | it seems very outdated |
| 08:10.50 | BrainWork | im reading a bunch of these to make sure nothing has changed in the couple of years since i last installed linux as a gateway device |
| 08:11.45 | BrainWork | e.g. in that howto, nearly all the sshd config, if not all of it, is now default as of 2019 |
| 08:12.16 | ratrace | BrainWork: so you're using Kali and not Debian? |
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| 08:13.52 | ws2k3 | im trying to upgrade mysql 5.6 to mysql 5.7.26 on ubuntu 14.04(based on jessie) since the mysql repo is down im trying to upgrade it using .deb packages https://pastebin.com/YyFDSw7s but it appears that im doing something wrong. please advise |
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| 08:14.53 | annadane | i'm not touching that one with a 900 foot pole |
| 08:15.14 | ratrace | ws2k3: ask in #ubuntu please. ubuntu 14.04 is NOT based on jessie. |
| 08:15.38 | ratrace | and it's EOL btw so they'll probably refuse to help. indeed you should upgrade ASAP |
| 08:15.53 | annadane | isn't ubuntu TLS like, 18 |
| 08:15.56 | annadane | so yeeeeeah |
| 08:16.00 | ratrace | yup |
| 08:16.23 | ws2k3 | ratrace: yes it is https://askubuntu.com/questions/445487/what-debian-version-are-the-different-ubuntu-versions-based-on |
| 08:16.25 | annadane | also "trying to upgrade it using .deb"... please stop and reconsider the entire philosophy of what you're doing |
| 08:16.30 | ayekat | 14.04 is Lost The Support |
| 08:16.32 | ratrace | but the important part is that 14.04 is EOL'd few months now, no updates, no security fixes unless you pay up for ESM |
| 08:17.02 | ws2k3 | annadane: why? what is wrong with my approach |
| 08:17.08 | ratrace | ws2k3: it is not. Ubuntu 14.04 sourced from debian Unstable many years ago, at some point, and then proceeded to modify it. |
| 08:17.13 | annadane | because you're going to make a frankenubuntu |
| 08:17.21 | annadane | and also you're trying to force things |
| 08:17.21 | ws2k3 | annadane: why? |
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| 08:17.34 | ratrace | because Ubuntu != Debian. |
| 08:17.39 | ayekat | ws2k3: because you are mixing different distributions |
| 08:17.43 | ws2k3 | annadane: this is official mysql package build by mysql for ubuntu 14.04 |
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| 08:17.54 | ratrace | btw... Jessie is systemd, Ubuntu 14.04 is NOT. that's one huge difference there |
| 08:17.55 | ws2k3 | no im not. have you even seen my pastebin? |
| 08:18.32 | ayekat | ah, so this is not even related to debian |
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| 08:21.11 | annadane | thank god greycat isn't here |
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| 08:22.00 | ws2k3 | ratrace: ayekat i know. but since the ubuntu guys are to retarted to say anything usefull i was like maby someone here can advise. cause its not rocket science to upgrade a package using downloaded .deb files |
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| 08:24.10 | ratrace | ws2k3: yes it is rocket science. Ubuntu is NOT Debian. Ubuntu only from time to time sources from the ROLLING RELEASE Debian Unstable and then modifieds heavily. The two systems are very different in many respects. |
| 08:24.14 | ayekat | yeah, calling community members "retarded" is a great way to get help... |
| 08:25.35 | ratrace | ws2k3: I mean what exactly do you expect us to do here? TIAS. wget the deb and apt install it, see what happens. |
| 08:25.52 | ws2k3 | ratrace: i already did. did you see my pastebin? |
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| 08:26.11 | annadane | you're already on an outdated ubuntu and now you're trying to update mysql using .deb files which are for debian and probably won't work |
| 08:26.34 | annadane | i mean yes i've seen .deb used for ubuntu too but still |
| 08:26.35 | ws2k3 | annadane: im using .deb files that are build for 14.04 |
| 08:26.36 | ratrace | ws2k3: yes I have. that's what you get when you install one package on a totally different distro. not sure what you expect us to do now |
| 08:26.46 | ayekat | well, the .deb files are for ubuntu, though |
| 08:26.57 | ayekat | *those |
| 08:27.03 | annadane | we need an .ub :P |
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| 08:27.06 | ratrace | ws2k3: "dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libmysqlclient-dev" --- YES, different versions, different packages... no can do. |
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| 08:27.49 | ratrace | as a side note, can you even install proper Ubuntu 14.04 packages any more? Are the repos even still available? |
| 08:28.02 | ws2k3 | yes. thats all works fine |
| 08:28.10 | ratrace | for now |
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| 08:28.24 | ratrace | why don't you upgrade to xenial or bionic? |
| 08:28.27 | ws2k3 | i did a apt-get update;apt-get upgrade -y yesterday on a few machines all work fine |
| 08:28.53 | ws2k3 | ratrace: if this was a possebility i would already have done it. but we need to finish some projects first before we can move on |
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| 08:29.38 | ws2k3 | ratrace: also. i have downloaded libmysqlclient-dev and libmysqlclient20 and im also trying to install them. see my pastebin. |
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| 08:30.39 | ratrace | ws2k3: I won't. this is really offtopic in #debian. you're using outdated ubuntu and trying to install packages from another distro. |
| 08:31.01 | ayekat | can dpkg handle simultaneous version upgrades, actually? because looking at that error message, it looks like the operations should succeed |
| 08:31.07 | ayekat | (regardless of whether this is ubuntu or debian) |
| 08:31.38 | ws2k3 | ayekat: exacly my point |
| 08:31.52 | ratrace | ws2k3: btw... 14.04 can do snaps, right? |
| 08:32.06 | ayekat | ws2k3: I'd try removing the conflicting mysql packages there, and then install the .deb files in a second step |
| 08:32.09 | ratrace | install mysql from snaps then. |
| 08:32.16 | ayekat | or yeah, snaps, maybe |
| 08:32.27 | ws2k3 | yeah snaps is a good idea to check out |
| 08:32.29 | ratrace | snaps are designed for this very purpose |
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| 08:32.59 | ratrace | cross installing debs is only gonna result with huge mess. different versions, different dependencies, in some cases package renames..... just... no. |
| 08:34.23 | ws2k3 | ratrace: maby. but this package are build for 14.04 they are from the officel mysql repo |
| 08:34.55 | hesco | Seeking help with an NFS connection error described here: https://gist.github.com/hesco/6a494e6a1728ac6452096db060270184 |
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| 08:35.33 | ratrace | ws2k3: then perhaps ask #mysql for help? it's their package then. |
| 08:35.39 | ayekat | ws2k3: the "official" has no meaning, because it's built by a third party - i.e. as far as ubuntu is concerned, it's as inofficial as anything else |
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| 08:39.00 | ayekat | hesco: not very familiar with docker, but it looks like you have to connect to localhost on ports 111 and 2049 (that's how the ports appear to be mapped in your first paste, at least) |
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| 08:39.46 | knullare | docker is just a minimal vm |
| 08:40.32 | ratrace | no, it's not. it's a namespace designed to run a SINGLE master process. |
| 08:40.45 | ws2k3 | ratrace: will try mysql aswel snap unfurntonaly doesnt work i think it cant upgrade the currrent version |
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| 08:41.17 | ratrace | ws2k3: well the snap has nothing to do with apt installed packages and they might conflict. snaps are isolated. did you try installing it? |
| 08:41.30 | ayekat | "doesnt work" is not very descriptive :-) |
| 08:41.33 | avu | knullare: that's a dangerous misconception, docker is decidedly *not* a VM, it's more like a chroot on steroids |
| 08:41.36 | ratrace | isolated = there's no upgrade happening, it's totally separate software installation |
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| 08:42.20 | knullare | depending on what part of VM you're focusing on, I take it you are more a hardware guy? |
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| 08:43.31 | ratrace | no it doesn't depend on that. dockers and VMs are different technologies with different goals only sharing very minimal common traits, like "isolated stuff" |
| 08:43.53 | BrainWork | ratrace: no, just debian. i'm picking out the generic linux parts of these howtos |
| 08:43.54 | jelly | docker uses containers. |
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| 08:44.24 | jelly | they run in the same kernel and just have slightly isolated users, processes and network, but not too much |
| 08:44.29 | BrainWork | and the parts that apply to debian, e.g. both use apt but have different sources etc |
| 08:44.35 | ratrace | and containers are just namespaces |
| 08:44.47 | ratrace | BrainWork: okay, so what's your question here really? |
| 08:45.20 | BrainWork | is the documentation of apt-cache pkgnames wrong? |
| 08:45.41 | ayekat | in what context? |
| 08:45.46 | ratrace | which documentation are you referring to? |
| 08:45.48 | BrainWork | i think it basically depends upon your interpretation of what a package 'in the system' is, e.g. is it 'in apt's database' or 'installed'? |
| 08:45.57 | BrainWork | type apt-cache on its own with no params |
| 08:46.09 | BrainWork | and look at the wording of the explaination of the pkgnames parameter |
| 08:46.20 | ratrace | BrainWork: that's the same thing. unless by "installed" you mean unpacking tarballs which apt has no idea about and thus apt-cache can't tell you anything |
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| 08:46.58 | jmd | How do I set the window manager in 10.1 (buster) ? |
| 08:47.13 | hesco | ayekat: docker permits me to expose container ports on the host like so: |
| 08:47.19 | hesco | 192.168.51.114:111->111/tcp, 192.168.51.114:2049->2049 |
| 08:47.28 | BrainWork | i see. how exactly *would* apt-cache know, it wouldnt. |
| 08:47.28 | ratrace | jmd: just installing it should make it available to the DM |
| 08:47.37 | BrainWork | dpkg -l seems closer to what they were going for |
| 08:47.37 | dpkg | ii seems closer to what they were going for 1.9-2.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 08:47.45 | jmd | DM ? |
| 08:47.50 | ayekat | hesco: yes, so those are the ports you want to connect to, no? |
| 08:47.58 | ratrace | display manager, think gdm, kdm, lightdm, ...dm |
| 08:48.03 | ratrace | jmd: ^^ |
| 08:48.18 | jmd | I think I'm using gdm. |
| 08:48.34 | ratrace | BrainWork: you're conflating different things here. On debian, a package is a .deb. .deb files are managed by dpkg but higher level package management is done by apt. |
| 08:48.39 | hesco | I assume those are the ports an NFS client wants to find, but am not really practiced with NFS |
| 08:48.50 | jmd | So that raises the question, how do I tell gdm to use my prefered window manager? |
| 08:49.14 | ratrace | BrainWork: so if you're installing with "apt" then apt's database is relevant. if you're unpacking random tarballs outside of apt, that's not installing with the package manager and apt can't know about those files |
| 08:49.33 | ayekat | hesco: so far I see that you are trying to connect to 192.168.51.114 instead of your local machine |
| 08:49.37 | ratrace | jmd: gdm has the ability to choose session, there should be a cog icon next to login button or something |
| 08:49.59 | jmd | I don't recall that but I'll have another look. |
| 08:49.59 | jelly | jmd: there's usually a menu somewhere on a *dm to pick the "session type" or similar, you pick the DE or WM there |
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| 08:50.38 | ratrace | jmd: last time I tried gdm it was a bit convoluted. gdm remembers you from last time and offers only one login button so I had to tell it "that's not me" to get to the top-level login screen where the cog was. |
| 08:50.53 | jmd | jelly: Yeah that's what I expected, but I can't see any such thing. And I'd really like to set a default one for me. |
| 08:51.03 | hesco | ayekat: yes, from 192.168.51.121, I am trying to connect back to 192.168.51.114 |
| 08:51.42 | ayekat | hesco: yes, but 192.168.51.144 is the IP address of your docker container |
| 08:51.58 | ayekat | why do you connect to that IP address? |
| 08:52.19 | ayekat | because it maps the ports to 111 and 2049 on your host machine |
| 08:52.40 | ayekat | (again, I'm not familiar with namespaced networking, even less so under docker) |
| 08:52.42 | hesco | ayekat: no, .114 is the address of the docker host which is running my NFS docker container. |
| 08:53.42 | hesco | docker uses NAT through iptables to route traffic from a software defined network on the host machine to the physical NICs on the host. |
| 08:54.21 | ayekat | ah, so I got that wrong there |
| 08:54.24 | hesco | ayekat: that is what we mean in docker when we discuss 'EXPOSE'ing a port |
| 08:55.12 | ws2k3 | got it fixed. turns out the ubuntu package is not the same as the mysql package from mysql. so all i needed to do was to remove all mysql package and then dpkg -i *.deb |
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| 08:56.35 | jmd | ratrace: You were right, there was a cog wheel thing. |
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| 08:56.50 | jmd | (it disappears whenever you type something). |
| 08:57.08 | hesco | ayekat: have updated this to provide showmount -e output: https://gist.github.com/hesco/6a494e6a1728ac6452096db060270184#file-0100-nfs-rpcinfo |
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| 08:58.52 | ratrace | jmd: yeah it's unintuitive |
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| 09:01.47 | ayekat | hesco: I'm unfortunately at loss there :-/ |
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| 09:02.25 | hesco | ayekat: well thanks for the help. |
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| 09:20.45 | annadane | i have a uh, non question question |
| 09:21.21 | annadane | redshift... is there a way to like, stop it after i exit a DE/WM, because i see that the process keeps running but the brightness is obviously not the same as it was |
| 09:22.08 | annadane | and sometimes i've also had instances where on exiting and re-entering xorg if i have redshift in my de/wm autostart then i get multiple instances of it running |
| 09:22.25 | annadane | i guess that actually was a question |
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| 09:23.28 | jmd | annadane: Here's a non-answer: If you know the PID, you could kill it in your PostSession file. |
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| 09:24.15 | Eightynine | How can I check update logs? |
| 09:24.44 | annadane | Eightynine, less /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 09:24.53 | annadane | or older depending on how many you have |
| 09:24.56 | annadane | ls /var/log/apt |
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| 09:27.28 | Eightynine | Less? I tried Gedit, it showed empty file. Gnome Logs is empty too and crashing. |
| 09:28.07 | annadane | that's weird. do you have anything in /var/log/apt that says "history"? |
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| 09:29.12 | Eightynine | Open Gnome Logs, click "All" - crash. ** (gnome-logs:3291): WARNING **: 12:28:15.586: Error retrieving the sender timestamps (segfault) |
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| 09:29.58 | Eightynine | Yes, I have history.log |
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| 09:30.14 | annadane | cool, then you should be able to read it quite easily with less |
| 09:30.34 | annadane | if gnome logs/gedit is being weird in debian stable that probably deserves a bug report |
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| 09:32.56 | Eightynine | By the way it's not the only thing, Gnome Software didn't work on fresh installation until I did "sudo apt update". And I cant install flatpak from GUI, it stucks at 0%. |
| 09:33.18 | annadane | i just tried it with gedit and it works fine for me |
| 09:33.48 | annadane | sorry, i'm not sure how to solve your issues, perhaps someone else can help |
| 09:34.40 | Eightynine | It exists but it's just empty. I mean history. |
| 09:35.05 | annadane | yeah, that's weird. shouldn't be doing that |
| 09:36.10 | Eightynine | I checked in Google, Gnome Logs crash is known bug both for Debian and Gnome teams. |
| 09:36.41 | annadane | pfft. |
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| 09:36.46 | annadane | remind me to never ever use gnome |
| 09:37.42 | Haohmaru | didn't you know this already |
| 09:38.30 | Haohmaru | i find it surprising that gnome is the "prefered" debian DE x_x |
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| 09:39.42 | annadane | anyway, when GUI tools fail then i guess get used to using the command line |
| 09:39.47 | annadane | viewing logs is extremely trivial |
| 09:39.48 | yhm12345 | hey guys, how can i change the installization directory of "snap install". It |
| 09:39.52 | yhm12345 | s to big |
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| 09:41.29 | Eightynine | I didn't like Gnome too, seems like it was made for tablets. Such a stupid interface and takes a lot of resources. I remember I tried Debian for the first time and it came with Gnome 3.8. It was lagging because at that time I had Radeon card and it required proprietary software (which hasn't been installed). It was very bad experience. |
| 09:42.07 | Haohmaru | afaik gnome tries to look like crApple OS |
| 09:42.18 | Haohmaru | that's why it would suck |
| 09:42.18 | annadane | i think xfce is a fair bit more intuitive and if anything probably should be the default |
| 09:42.35 | Haohmaru | yeah, xfce and LXDE are more sane |
| 09:42.41 | annadane | or mate or whatever if you really need gnome technology |
| 09:42.42 | humbot | heheh |
| 09:42.55 | Haohmaru | i want muh window titlebars |
| 09:42.56 | humbot | they suit a certain kind of person |
| 09:43.40 | Eightynine | Haohmaru, Yes, I hate that shitty OS too. Stupid design, interface and memory hungry. When I had 4 GB RAM and used Safari on El Capitan it took all my RAM. Even Windows with Chrome didn't do that. |
| 09:43.43 | humbot | gnome is the only one really trying to do system management in the gui and that is what people coming to debian expect |
| 09:43.43 | annadane | "but gnome is enterprise" then enterprise people can always choose that manually |
| 09:43.52 | annadane | fair enough |
| 09:44.21 | annadane | but still... gnome logs crashing? *really*? |
| 09:44.23 | Haohmaru | humbot system management? what does that mean exactly? |
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| 09:44.39 | humbot | the person is asking about doing flatpak in the gui |
| 09:44.55 | Eightynine | annadane, For some reason XFCE works bad for me (at least on Debian). It just locks with black screen during monitor standby mode. |
| 09:45.04 | humbot | other desktops simply don't have a solution for that, so they don't have a problem |
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| 09:45.15 | annadane | well then i can only assume your computer is cursed |
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| 09:45.53 | humbot | heheh |
| 09:46.07 | Haohmaru | i don't understand that answer *shrug* |
| 09:46.34 | Haohmaru | do you mean like "being able to operate most things like settings and configuration from GUI" ? |
| 09:46.45 | Eightynine | MATE is badly designed, I mean when you open drop down menu you see a lot of empty space in the list. They need more programmers and designers. But they don't have anough money and time. |
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| 09:47.08 | Eightynine | humbot, I'm probably cursed too :D |
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| 09:48.01 | annadane | yhm12345, i guess this may be able to help you https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/where-is-a-snap-stored-and-how-can-i-change-that/3194/3 |
| 09:48.14 | annadane | sorry for not being more detailed, that's the best i can find right now |
| 09:48.41 | annadane | also https://snapcraft.io/docs/system-snap-directory |
| 09:48.51 | annadane | "However, these files and folders are mounted from the heavily compressed data thatâs stored within the original snap, located in /var/lib/snapd/snaps. These snaps take far less space on your system than their mount points imply:" |
| 09:49.23 | annadane | i can't stand how MATE looks. if i want a full DE, i'll go xfce every time |
| 09:49.37 | Eightynine | I remember one day I joined MATE chat and asked them to enhance the DE and they were trolling me. That's stupid behaviour. And look at this (my report) https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-desktop.org/issues/160 "You are not kidding" Why should I be kidding? |
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| 09:51.31 | annadane | i think mate is a bit faster but i'm not too fond of their application suite and it's probably faster because it's more quickly developed than xfce, of course by the time debian bullseye becomes stable we'll probably have xfce 4.16 |
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| 09:51.54 | ratrace | Eightynine: "you're not kidding" is a phrase confirming what you're saying is no joke |
| 09:51.56 | Haohmaru | i didn't like MATE either |
| 09:52.09 | Haohmaru | but gnome and kde are absolutely horrific IMO |
| 09:52.12 | annadane | xfce is functional and stays out of the way |
| 09:52.27 | yhm12345 | annadane: thank you :D |
| 09:52.38 | ratrace | i3-wm <3 |
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| 09:52.50 | Haohmaru | my collegue loves kde x_x |
| 09:53.09 | annadane | i know i3 is supposed to be this great thing but i've really come to feel xfce naturally fits my workflow, it just does |
| 09:53.10 | darxmurf | I had long ago USB problems after dist upgrade, it's back again and I can't remember how I fixed it, it was just a package to reinstall. Any idea of which one? USB keys can't be mounted |
| 09:53.20 | annadane | even being keyboard focused |
| 09:53.49 | ratrace | darxmurf: you'll have to be more precise. "usb keys can't be mounted" makes little senes |
| 09:53.52 | ratrace | *sense |
| 09:54.27 | nkuttler | c |
| 09:55.25 | Eightynine | ratrace, I understand but why should be kidding when reporting an issue? If they said "You are not kidding" then they thought I'm kidding first. |
| 09:55.58 | ratrace | Eightynine: no, it's a figure of speech |
| 09:56.04 | ratrace | like... "you don't say" |
| 09:56.15 | Eightynine | Haohmaru, I call KDE "Segfault DE". |
| 09:56.27 | darxmurf | ratrace: when you plug a usb storage key, it's like it's not recognized |
| 09:56.32 | Haohmaru | hahaha |
| 09:56.47 | darxmurf | dmesg says there is a USB device but that's it |
| 09:56.51 | ratrace | darxmurf: oh... USB _storage_ I thought you were talking about KEYBOARDS |
| 09:56.55 | Eightynine | ratrace, Thank you for clarification, English is not my native, I didn't know that. |
| 09:57.16 | ratrace | Eightynine: never take text-only mediums literally ;) |
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| 09:57.52 | ratrace | darxmurf: wait, does it get a block device under /dev ? like /dev/sdb or whatever the order you have there? |
| 09:58.05 | ratrace | darxmurf: better yet, pastebin the relevant dmesg entries pls :) |
| 09:58.18 | annadane | can't mount as in can't mount at all even with mount or can't mount as in "i plug it in and it doesn't do it automagically"? |
| 09:58.29 | ratrace | bets the latter |
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| 09:58.46 | Eightynine | Someone here told me "All desktops in Debian are well tested" but in my case only Gnome works more properly than others. Why is that? |
| 09:58.52 | annadane | also: is this debian stable? |
| 09:59.18 | darxmurf | ratrace: nop apparently not, I have to go in front of the machine to test that but there is no /dev/ device created. I had this issue before and it was just something to reinstall... damn I should have write that somewhere :D |
| 09:59.18 | annadane | well we established gedit and gnome logs don't work, so... :P |
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| 09:59.27 | ratrace | Eightynine: because nothing is always 100% ready|secure|stable|for-all-possible-use-cases |
| 09:59.46 | annadane | gnome is the default so it probably gets more attention, simple as that |
| 09:59.59 | Haohmaru | everything is perfect.. just some things are more perfect than others |
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| 10:01.09 | Eightynine | I don't understand MATE team. You have not enough people/money - start crowdfunding. You don't have time/passion for development - stop developing, let other people to do that. |
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| 10:01.41 | Haohmaru | wait, isn't anyone allowed to develop mate? |
| 10:01.50 | Haohmaru | or do they reject contributions? |
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| 10:03.05 | annadane | i really, really like panels, so xfce++. "plank" isn't adequate, so MATE is out |
| 10:03.34 | Eightynine | Funny thing even their site doesn't work properly, their server or site is crashing when you open some pages. |
| 10:03.40 | dgriffi | huh? What's wrong with MATE? |
| 10:03.42 | Haohmaru | i'm not entirely happy with neither xfce4-panel, nor with lxpanel.. so i use a combination of both |
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| 10:03.43 | annadane | ew. |
| 10:04.00 | annadane | it's surprising because mate's actually more actively developed than xfce |
| 10:04.11 | annadane | well, up until recently |
| 10:04.21 | annadane | they did finally release 4.14 and are working on 4.16 now |
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| 10:05.12 | chocolate | when I try ssh -L 32000:127.0.0.1:32400 user@host and try to http://localhost:32000 I get connection failed, the page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authencity of the received data cloud not be verified. Any sugestion for this? |
| 10:05.21 | annadane | also xfce just has applications i really like like mousepad, screenshooter, timer |
| 10:05.51 | Haohmaru | i don't like its filenamager.. pcmanfm ftw |
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| 10:07.05 | dgriffi | I rarely bother to use a filemanager |
| 10:07.22 | Haohmaru | muh icons, click clack |
| 10:07.53 | Eightynine | They added new feature to their site. I clicked different links (or tabs) on their site and it either shows (active) or doesn't show that word. So that means some parts of their site are not active. |
| 10:07.57 | annadane | let's try not to get *too* off topic now, someone does have a question |
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| 10:09.47 | annadane | (but there is #debian-offtopic) |
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| 10:11.21 | Eightynine | Can I ask about Firefox here? |
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| 10:12.35 | annadane | Eightynine, depends on your question and how much of it applies to debian. but just ask and we can answer it or direct you properly |
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| 10:13.21 | annadane | (there is a #firefox) |
| 10:13.33 | Eightynine | Why is it locks first tab when I open other tabs? That's so annoying. |
| 10:13.59 | annadane | yeah, ask #firefox. |
| 10:16.06 | Eightynine | Does it require registration? |
| 10:16.16 | annadane | i don't know. try it and see |
| 10:16.22 | annadane | i'm going to bed |
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| 10:20.16 | jmd | What's the proper way to update /boot/grub/grub.cfg in 10.1 ? |
| 10:20.52 | colo-work | edit "/etc/default/grub"; run `update-grub` |
| 10:21.28 | jmd | colo-work: That's what I thought. But: bash: update-grub: command not found |
| 10:21.46 | colo-work | grub2-common: /usr/sbin/update-grub |
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| 10:22.27 | colo-work | (you realize you need to be root/use sudo for this to work, right?) |
| 10:22.30 | jmd | /usr/sbin/update-grub: 3: exec: grub-mkconfig: not found |
| 10:22.47 | jmd | (of course) |
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| 10:29.56 | solido | hello! |
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| 10:30.55 | solido | i'm using gnome on debian buster. in the settings ui for choosing the desktop background, it doesn't seem to scan the ~/Pictures folder recursively, it only shows pictures that are direcly in the top level directory. any idea how to make it do recursive scans? |
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| 10:31.14 | solido | tracker finds all my pictures fine, i can see them with 'tracker search --images'. |
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| 10:35.08 | BrainWork | maybe a silly question, but "back in the old days" all the ethernet devices were called eth0, eth1, etc2 etc, and wireless devices called wlan0, wlan2... |
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| 10:35.22 | BrainWork | it seems that on buster, mine are renamed to something hardware vendor specific |
| 10:35.35 | BrainWork | e.g. my wireless card is the untypeable "wlx74f06d827b11" |
| 10:35.49 | BrainWork | and my ethernet ports are enp1s0, enp2s0... |
| 10:36.18 | jsfrk | BrainWork: predictable network interface names |
| 10:36.21 | BrainWork | is there some change at work in how the kernel names devices? |
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| 10:36.45 | BrainWork | i can understand "enp4s0", thats predictable enough, but "wlx74f06d827b11"? |
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| 10:36.59 | ratrace | BrainWork: yeah, but that's since Jessie. you've been away from this quite some time, right? :) anyway, you can revert to ethX, wlanX |
| 10:37.18 | BrainWork | im ok with keeping them as-is, i'll just learn the new way :) |
| 10:37.23 | solido | that name seems a bit excessive... it's up to the kernel module, i suppose. |
| 10:37.45 | BrainWork | my last install was jessie, and i noticed it but it wasnt an issue because i didnt have an untypeable wifi device in there |
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| 10:38.14 | BrainWork | hah, typing that device name into google comes back with zero results. |
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| 10:38.33 | BrainWork | i was trying to be lazy there and tell you what the actual hardware device model was by googling that |
| 10:38.41 | ratrace | there's a set of rules how those names are detected and defined. personally I keep my machines at the old ethX naming scheme, but I bind them to their respective MAC addrss via systemd .link units |
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| 10:39.07 | BrainWork | AzureWave AW-NU706H Wireless USB Half Mini card |
| 10:39.13 | EdePopede | for typical home setups it is complete overkill |
| 10:40.29 | ratrace | typical home setups don't usually care as it's all abstraced under Network Manager's "Wi-fi Connection! Click here!" |
| 10:40.36 | BrainWork | hmm i only just noticed that the "74f06d827b11" is the mac address of the device |
| 10:40.42 | BrainWork | more obvious a name now |
| 10:41.21 | ratrace | mmh-hm. they're supposedly predictable like that in that once the name is determined, it stay that way. in theory. but you can't often predict them in advance |
| 10:41.48 | BrainWork | ratrace: this is in a fanless celeron based x64 device with 4 network ports and wifi that ive set up as a basic NAT router |
| 10:41.49 | ratrace | I mean, you sort-of can by looking at what udev(adm) sees and then knowing the rules, determine whta the name would be, but without plugging it in? nope. |
| 10:42.15 | BrainWork | really, i wont be poking around inside the shell that often to need to worry, except every so often to run iftop or such |
| 10:42.37 | solido | you can probably add aliases in some way. |
| 10:42.48 | BrainWork | yeah im pretty sure thats possible |
| 10:44.44 | ratrace | yes, you can give them your own names. |
| 10:45.14 | ratrace | then preferably bind them to their MACs so they stay that way even if pci bus layout somehow changes due to stupid bios or something |
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| 10:49.22 | jmd | Whenever I reboot, my system's date is messed up. Presumably by some network service. I don't have ntp or ntpdate installed. how can I fix this? |
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| 10:51.26 | solido | jmd: i don't think any other network service would touch your system clock. are you sure it's not an issue with the clock itself (poor battery etc so it loses time at each reboot)? |
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| 10:52.15 | jmd | I don't think so. It seems too systematic for that. It gets set to exactly 2 hours in the past. |
| 10:52.22 | solido | hm. weird. |
| 10:52.56 | solido | do you have the right timezone configured? |
| 10:53.11 | jmd | I'm looking at utc |
| 10:53.21 | jmd | (there is no "right" timezone) |
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| 10:54.51 | ratrace | jmd: you need _some_ timezone defined. also, which debian is this? systemd-timesyncd should be running automatically |
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| 10:54.58 | solido | jmd: are you dual-booting to some other operating system that might assume the hardware clock is in the local timezone as opposed to utc? |
| 10:55.02 | jmd | It's 10.1 |
| 10:55.15 | ratrace | perhaps pastebin the output of `timedatectl` |
| 10:55.19 | jmd | I don't dual boot. |
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| 10:56.32 | fredl | hi folks. I've built an NFS root prototype server... running off of NFS root is kinda slow though so I wonder if there's a tool with which I can make an image on the NFS server that I can somehow dd to the new local disk on the target |
| 10:57.05 | fredl | I looked into clonezilla a bit but at first looks it seems to only make images of whole devices |
| 10:57.16 | jmd | ratrace: https://pastebin.com/RAAfbYgj |
| 10:58.53 | ratrace | jmd: just set local time with `date` command, then check the journal of systemd-timesycnd, why is it not syncing |
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| 10:59.40 | jmd | Arhhhg systemd |
| 11:00.42 | jmd | It would seem to say Timed out waiting for reply from ... n.debian.pool.ntp.org |
| 11:01.06 | jmd | Which is odd. I didn't think I had any ntp stuff installed. |
| 11:01.39 | darxmurf | which package is in charge of the mass-storage and /dev/ devices ? |
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| 11:02.33 | ratrace | jmd: it's default. now you need to figure out two things: which main NTP= service you want to use, and why is default FallbackNTP timing out. see timesyncd.conf manpage for more info |
| 11:02.49 | ratrace | darxmurf: the kernel and its USB storage modules |
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| 11:03.15 | ratrace | which are installed by default on Debian, part of the regular kernel packages |
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| 11:03.35 | ratrace | darxmurf: did you ever pastebin that dmesg output I asked? |
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| 11:05.10 | darxmurf | nop, did not go on the machine yet, will go now |
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| 11:08.16 | fredl | hmm I guess you can't really do a 'dd' on a folder ha? |
| 11:09.07 | ratrace | darxmurf: no ssh? |
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| 11:09.29 | ratrace | fredl: nah, dd is block-level/byte-stream tool |
| 11:10.55 | fredl | I'd like to make a copy of a filetree somehow though that I can simply dd to a device to get the same contents |
| 11:11.01 | fredl | Hrmm |
| 11:11.10 | solido | fredl: you'd need to turn it into a filesystem image first. |
| 11:11.12 | fredl | I guess I could make a temporary disk device |
| 11:11.29 | fredl | then cp -a the whole tree to that temp device |
| 11:11.38 | fredl | Seems awkward though |
| 11:11.53 | solido | fredl: wouldn't it be faster to just mkfs on the device and copy the files over? |
| 11:12.03 | solido | unless you need to copy the same files to lots of devices. |
| 11:12.20 | fredl | hmm don't think so solido, that would be a big recursive NFS copy |
| 11:12.44 | fredl | And on top of that, the target system would need to be up and running then |
| 11:12.56 | fredl | Which would make the NFS root unreliable to copy |
| 11:14.10 | fredl | Oh well, lunch time, I'll figure it out, was hoping somebody would know of some exotic command to do what I want :P |
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| 11:14.45 | fredl | well wait.... with a loop device... couldn't I mount a folder as a device? |
| 11:14.53 | ratrace | fredl: you could tar it up |
| 11:15.20 | ratrace | tar is ireally good for packaking up file trees into a single file you can untar wherever |
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| 11:16.17 | fredl | tar would be okay |
| 11:16.56 | solido | fredl: no, loop devices still need block devices as backing. and mounting the directory as a file system doesn't help (you can do that with a bind mount), you still need a block device to use 'dd', not a mounted filesystem. |
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| 11:17.21 | ratrace | you can dd a tar file around :) |
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| 11:18.02 | ratrace | dd doesn't strictly need block devices, it deals with byte streams, for whatever interface that produces and consumes it |
| 11:18.17 | fredl | maybe bindfs.... |
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| 11:18.50 | ratrace | fredl: tar is exactly what you need to "copy of a filetree somehow though that I can simply dd to a device to get the same contents" |
| 11:19.25 | fredl | oh it can make an image-like output file you mean? |
| 11:19.35 | fredl | interesting.... |
| 11:19.45 | fredl | I did not know that, where can I look that up? |
| 11:19.48 | ratrace | it produces a single file (or a stream you can dd/ssh/... around) |
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| 11:20.11 | fredl | yeah okay but when I dd a tar file that's not gonna work |
| 11:20.19 | ratrace | fredl: in the tar manpage, and ask the planet-wide AI (I think they call it Google) for assistance too. |
| 11:20.22 | fredl | As it's a tar file, not a disk image |
| 11:20.34 | ratrace | fredl: "work"? |
| 11:20.36 | fredl | don't get smug with me :P |
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| 11:20.51 | fredl | No, it's not gonna work because a tarfile is not a diskimage |
| 11:20.55 | ratrace | you want to grab a part of the filesystem tree. you can ONLY move it to another SAME filesystem, or package it up as a tar |
| 11:21.06 | ratrace | !xy |
| 11:21.07 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
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| 11:21.24 | fredl | I can untar it, of course |
| 11:21.35 | ratrace | please read the above tidbit |
| 11:21.36 | fredl | Like I said, that's an option |
| 11:21.58 | fredl | tar is an option I mean |
| 11:22.03 | ratrace | so, what _really_ do you want to achieve? grab a dir and make it mountable elsewhere? |
| 11:22.10 | fredl | yup |
| 11:22.27 | fredl | See, currently I boot this VM off of my prototype NFS root |
| 11:22.42 | fredl | The NFS root sits on my NFS server in /nfsboot/prototype |
| 11:22.54 | fredl | It works great, but it's dog-slow |
| 11:23.01 | ratrace | right, you need to create a loop-back mounted image file, put ext4 or whatever filesystem on it, mount it, rsync cp or whatever our dir into that, then you have a portable image file you could mount on any linux system that supports them |
| 11:24.49 | ratrace | fredl: this looks like a quickly googled-up how-to on that very thing: https://www.thegeekdiary.com/how-to-create-virtual-block-device-loop-device-filesystem-in-linux/ |
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| 11:25.59 | fredl | tnx ratrace, that's helpful :) |
| 11:26.39 | fredl | I'll look into that after lunch |
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| 11:29.50 | iamtheworstdev | somiaj, last night I mentioned trying to burn the net installer from windows to USB and when I booted the installer complained about no cdrom |
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| 11:30.10 | iamtheworstdev | the solution was to figure out which partition had the data (in my case /dev/sde2) and then `mount -t iso9660 /dev/sde2 /cdrom` .. |
| 11:30.12 | iamtheworstdev | just fyi |
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| 11:33.24 | ratrace | iamtheworstdev: that doesn't sound right. how did you "burn" the net installer ISO (and which one) on the USB? |
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| 11:35.15 | darxmurf | ratrace: http://paste.debian.net/1103470/ |
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| 11:35.29 | darxmurf | I have another machine with almost the same config, I'll compare dpkg -l on both |
| 11:35.51 | darxmurf | so, the usb key is displayed in thunar but can't mount it as there is no /dev/sdc1/ |
| 11:35.54 | ratrace | darxmurf: well then there IS a device. just not partitioned |
| 11:36.02 | ratrace | yeah, it's not partitioned |
| 11:36.04 | darxmurf | it is partitionned |
| 11:36.09 | ratrace | apparently not |
| 11:36.13 | darxmurf | check the parted lines then |
| 11:36.21 | darxmurf | and when I plus it on my system I can mount it |
| 11:36.33 | iamtheworstdev | ratrace, debian-10.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso using balana etcher and then win32diskimager per somiaj's advice |
| 11:36.54 | ratrace | darxmurf: "Partition Table: loop" loop means it didn't find the partition tables |
| 11:37.06 | iamtheworstdev | i saw a stackexchange where someone said they have the same problem I do if a BIOS setting (IOMMU?) is disabled/enabled |
| 11:37.14 | iamtheworstdev | but this worked just fine |
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| 11:38.04 | darxmurf | hmmm wait, the partition is directly in /dev/sdc |
| 11:38.13 | darxmurf | but can mount it anyway on my machine but not on another |
| 11:38.36 | ratrace | darxmurf: it requires a GPT or MBR based partition layout |
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| 11:39.05 | humbot | my mp3 player is like that, internal is mounted as /dev/sdb, sdcard as /dev/sdc1 |
| 11:39.23 | ratrace | I mean I guess you can mount it directly wiht `mount` but automatic detection won't always work everywhere without a proper partition table |
| 11:40.28 | ratrace | iamtheworstdev: that's weird |
| 11:40.32 | darxmurf | it works on some machines |
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| 11:47.42 | g0zzy | Can someone please remind me what part of the system logging requires mysql server in some instances? I remember i had to set a password or something in mysql server so that logging can be done. It's playing havoc with my ability to log in as root |
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| 11:59.10 | ratrace | g0zzy: what kind of havoc? and when you say "logging requires mysql" do you mean syslog(ging) or console/ssh log-in? |
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| 11:59.55 | g0zzy | Yes, some kind of system logging that requires a root account on mysql and password |
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| 12:01.01 | g0zzy | Candidates might be rsyslogd or logrotate. I remember having to configure a password for root (!) in a file but it's vague ... |
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| 12:03.59 | g0zzy | OK - a different question: is it possible to have more than one password for root@localhost in mysql.user? |
| 12:07.22 | g0zzy | OK, i'm getting there. It comes from running mysql-dump in cron and having to set a password to do that i think |
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| 12:19.36 | darxmurf | ratrace: looks like the problems is with XFCE/Thunar |
| 12:19.59 | g0zzy | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.43 | EdePopede | what VM would be best to run a debian in it, maybe even the live? |
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| 12:24.39 | ratrace | g0zzy: you still haven't explained the symptoms you're seeing |
| 12:25.03 | ratrace | EdePopede: you mean hypervisor? |
| 12:26.09 | EdePopede | ratrace: not necessarily, just to get a user into touch with linux without changing everything and even the need to get out of windows (since without this a live stick would be ideal) |
| 12:26.58 | ratrace | EdePopede: since VMs are abstract, what exactly are you asking by "what VM" |
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| 12:27.58 | EdePopede | uh. something like dosbox. have a window with the linux desktop inside it (and also tty1-6 if this works, no idea) |
| 12:28.56 | ratrace | EdePopede: "have a window with the linux desktop inside it" -- that sounds like virtualization yes. on which host, windows? |
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| 12:29.13 | EdePopede | yep |
| 12:29.21 | ratrace | EdePopede: then virtualbox is really most recommended. not like you have much alternative |
| 12:29.38 | g0zzy | ratrace: The problem is that one way or another, i've been forced to using a certain password for root, which i don't want to use |
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| 12:30.04 | EdePopede | ratrace: this also was my first thought, i couldn't remember anything else from my XP days |
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| 12:30.32 | g0zzy | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.50 | ratrace | there's vmware player unless you want to $$ and recent win dozes have hypervm thingy something something |
| 12:31.05 | ratrace | !tell g0zzy about xy |
| 12:31.33 | ratrace | g0zzy: so, again... what symptoms do you have? what's the "havoc" you mentioned? |
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| 12:32.40 | g0zzy | Well i can't answer that fully until i say, reset the root password to what i want it to be. Then logrotate will fail when cron runs. THEN i'd be able to tell you |
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| 12:34.25 | g0zzy | The alternative is for me to remember the particular root password that is being used by the system. But i probably won't remember it. PLUS the root password is there to see in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 12:34.42 | g0zzy | (which i'll also forget) |
| 12:35.16 | ratrace | all that makes literally zero sense. |
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| 12:35.42 | ratrace | how about start with the basics? you get to the console login prompt, you type in your username and password and ____ happens. |
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| 12:36.13 | g0zzy | Well that's easy. The password i'm expecting to use is wrong. |
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| 12:36.40 | g0zzy | Then the problem is "wtf is the root password?" |
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| 12:37.50 | ratrace | g0zzy: and then what do you do? can you log-in in any way? use sudo/su- to change root password? |
| 12:38.10 | g0zzy | I suppose i could put the root password i want into /etc/mysql/debian.cnf but that would be a bad solution because it would be the machine root password too |
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| 12:38.44 | ratrace | g0zzy: that's something entirely different |
| 12:39.40 | ratrace | g0zzy: you have a mish-mash of totally different things. first you said "logging" as in syslog, now you're talking about mysql "root" password which has nothing to do with the system root (uid=0) account |
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| 12:41.03 | g0zzy | "You may never ever delete the special mysql user "debian-sys-maint". This user together with the credentials in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf are used by the init scripts to stop the server as they would require knowledge of the mysql root users password else." |
| 12:41.17 | g0zzy | THAT is behind my root password problem |
| 12:41.55 | ratrace | g0zzy: MySQL root or system (uid=0) root? the two are NOT related |
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| 12:42.24 | g0zzy | I want the same password for both |
| 12:42.43 | ratrace | g0zzy: that's irrelevant. the two mechanisms are completely separate, unrelated and have nothing to do with each other. |
| 12:42.43 | g0zzy | So that's how they are related for me ;) |
| 12:42.54 | ratrace | so what are you asking here really? |
| 12:42.59 | ratrace | what is your support question? |
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| 12:43.43 | g0zzy | OK the first question is what package do i reconf to recreate debian-sys-maint? |
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| 12:44.05 | g0zzy | (Because the user is not there in mysql, though i did NOT delete it) |
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| 12:45.14 | ratrace | g0zzy: probably mariadb-server-10.3 |
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| 12:46.36 | g0zzy | sudo dpkg-reconfigure mariadb-server-10.1 is what i just ran. No output let alone input |
| 12:47.02 | ratrace | 10.1 ? |
| 12:47.08 | ratrace | ah, stretch |
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| 12:47.46 | g0zzy | Yes |
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| 12:50.09 | ratrace | g0zzy: you could try remove + purge it, and reinstall anew. be warned that you will lose your databases, so back them up first, and back up your current mysql config. |
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| 12:50.35 | ratrace | %s/you will/you might/ as I'm not 100% sure, I don't use mysql but postgres |
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| 12:51.54 | finn0 | what's the meaning of "proposed-updates section" in "If you have listed the proposed-updates section in your APT source-list files, you should remove it before attempting to upgrade your system." sentence? (see: section 4.2.1 The proposed-updates section of Buster manual (https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#proposed-updates)) |
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| 12:53.35 | g0zzy | ratrace: Thanks, but no thanks ;) I'll try to work around it |
| 12:53.50 | finn0 | Is it name of Debian repository like stretch-backports, stretch-updates etc? or something else. |
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| 12:56.02 | ratrace | finn0: yes, it stages updates for point releases methinks. https://www.debian.org/releases/proposed-updates |
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| 13:03.51 | remy^ | how do i put an other theme on my xfce..i found this one -> https://www.deviantart.com/kesmarag/art/xTango-Gtk2-Gtk3-new-Dark-Theme-341969983 |
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| 13:06.09 | remy^ | anyone..?? |
| 13:06.26 | ratrace | patience is virtue. |
| 13:06.36 | remy^ | hell yes it is |
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| 13:10.31 | diogenes_ | remy^, just drag-and-drop, but it depends, if it's interface theme then drag-and-drop in appearence, if it's icon theme then icons and so on. |
| 13:10.56 | Haohmaru | drag'n'drop works?! |
| 13:11.12 | belgrade | I wasn't even aware that Xfce could be themed so deeply and easily |
| 13:11.13 | diogenes_ | Haohmaru, of course it's XFCE :) |
| 13:11.14 | Haohmaru | hm.. do they get slapped into ~/. somewhere? |
| 13:11.26 | diogenes_ | Haohmaru, yes ~/.themes |
| 13:11.30 | remy^ | to what directorie? |
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| 13:11.36 | diogenes_ | ^^ |
| 13:11.42 | Haohmaru | remy^ he meant into the dialog, i think |
| 13:12.28 | diogenes_ | remy^, here: https://i.imgur.com/iuXgKDm.png |
| 13:12.32 | Henry151 | good morning |
| 13:13.09 | Haohmaru | such stylish mouse cursor |
| 13:13.10 | Henry151 | i'm trying to get wireguard working on my debian system and having some trouble, the wg-quick up wg0 script seems to fail because of no command called "resolvconf," but when i install openresolv it still isn't working, i think because openresolv and systemd-resolvd or something aren't playing nicely together |
| 13:13.27 | Henry151 | anybody want to help me sort it out? |
| 13:14.06 | Haohmaru | uh, are you sure "resolveconf" is supposed to be a command? |
| 13:14.15 | Haohmaru | maybe you meant resolv.conf in /etc/ ? |
| 13:14.19 | Henry151 | without openresolv it does this: https://bpaste.net/show/Vevv |
| 13:14.50 | Henry151 | Haohmaru: well it seems like when i run the wg-quick script, it is looking for a command called "resolvconf" and trying to pass that command " -a wg0 -m 0 -x" |
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| 13:15.09 | ratrace | Haohmaru: resolvconf is a package and a command and a service... that configures resolv.conf from meta-configuration resolvconf.conf |
| 13:15.10 | Haohmaru | okay.. *shrug* |
| 13:15.13 | Henry151 | googling about it led me to try installing openresolv, which makes the error go away |
| 13:15.46 | Henry151 | however, then i can't reach the internet |
| 13:15.54 | Henry151 | i can ping the wireguard server but nothing else |
| 13:16.01 | Henry151 | https://bpaste.net/show/5uh1 |
| 13:16.15 | Henry151 | the wireguard server is also running debian |
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| 13:16.46 | Henry151 | these are the outputs of route -n on thinkpad (the client) and on vultr (the server) https://bpaste.net/show/7Dbz |
| 13:16.57 | ratrace | Haohmaru: resolvconf is configuring resolv.conf. I don't know what wireguard does exactly and at which OSI level but I doubt it itself does resolv.conf configuration? Or does it? |
| 13:17.02 | Henry151 | that's after running wg-quick up wg0 on both machines. |
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| 13:17.27 | ratrace | unless you can specify your resolvers, for resolv.conf, via wireguard config, like you can with e/n/i |
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| 13:17.33 | remy^ | Haohmaru, thnx.. maybe it wil work |
| 13:17.33 | Henry151 | ratrace: I think it is supposed to use resolvconf to modify the resolv.conf configuration, but that systemd-resolvd is not allowing it to or something. |
| 13:17.35 | Haohmaru | i've no idea, i've only ever fiddled with resolv.conf |
| 13:17.49 | bitext | hi |
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| 13:18.15 | ratrace | Henry151: no, systemd-resolved (which ain't default btw) won't prevent modification of resolv.conf, but NetworkManager might reconfigure it at any point |
| 13:18.24 | jelly | ,f bin/resolvconf |
| 13:18.29 | Henry151 | i seeked help in ##linux for quite some time, couldn't get it, went to #wireguard, someone there tried to help but ultimately gave up saying that it seemed like debian was acting differently than he was used to |
| 13:18.34 | ratrace | ,v resolvconf |
| 13:18.35 | judd | Package: resolvconf on amd64 -- jessie: 1.76.1; bullseye: 1.79; buster: 1.79; sid: 1.79; stretch: 1.79 |
| 13:19.06 | Henry151 | it's my first time configuring wireguard, and my first time configuring the server-half of any VPN-type thing |
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| 13:19.45 | ratrace | isn't wireguard still like experimental? is it mainlined yet? |
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| 13:20.03 | Henry151 | I thought it was ready for primetime |
| 13:20.07 | Henry151 | but maybe I was wrong |
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| 13:20.46 | ratrace | Henry151: afaik it didn't make into 5.2, wasn't paying attention to later kernels |
| 13:20.52 | Henry151 | the directions here https://wiki.debian.org/Wireguard are not at all how i set it up, I was following the directions here https://angristan.xyz/how-to-setup-vpn-server-wireguard-nat-ipv6/ |
| 13:21.16 | Henry151 | i used this script https://github.com/angristan/wireguard-install for setting up the server half |
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| 13:21.51 | remy^ | the thing i want to have is a clock or an other meter on the desktop, not in a 'balk' |
| 13:21.54 | Henry151 | then i followed the debian instructions here https://www.wireguard.com/install/ to install it on the client, and referred back to the guide at https://angristan.xyz/how-to-setup-vpn-server-wireguard-nat-ipv6/ for configuration. |
| 13:22.23 | eb0t | hey i am installing buster on a new machine ..expert install..and it is saying i need non free firmware... rt73.bin |
| 13:22.35 | eb0t | if i have such media available insert it and continue |
| 13:22.36 | ratrace | Henry151: I see, since you can specify DNS= in wireguard config, that's why it needs resolvconf to conf your resolv.conf :) |
| 13:22.39 | eb0t | can i continue without it |
| 13:22.46 | ratrace | but it's not strictly necessary, I imagine |
| 13:22.49 | greycat | ,file rt73.bin |
| 13:22.53 | judd | Search for rt73.bin in buster/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/rt73.bin |
| 13:23.08 | greycat | damn, was hoping a package name would describe what this particular file is *for* |
| 13:23.53 | Haohmaru | <hope.gif> |
| 13:24.02 | ratrace | well, it's misc non-free firmware :) |
| 13:24.07 | eb0t | hmm i cant search for anythiing..the install is not complete |
| 13:24.26 | greycat | first google hit for rt73.bin is WiFi/rt73 - Debian Wiki |
| 13:24.28 | Henry151 | a fellow in ##linux last night seemed to be saying from looking at my paste of my outputs of "route -n" here: https://bpaste.net/show/7Dbz he could see why it wasn't working, but he couldn't tell me how to fix it |
| 13:24.36 | greycat | so it has something to do with a wireless interface |
| 13:24.49 | eb0t | ah ok ..ill continue the install without it and then install later |
| 13:24.56 | eb0t | i have ethernet cable plugged in |
| 13:25.10 | remy^ | Anyone..knows how i put a clock on my desktop without borders thingy |
| 13:25.14 | finn0 | ratrace: After reading the article as far as I understand when a package is uploaded to stable it first transferred to proposed-updates-new queue -> stable-proposed-updates -> next stable release. Means if there is a package in stable-proposed-updates, it will be added in next stable release i.e. "Bulleye" repository because after each stable release Debian freezes the baseline of packages. Am I correct? |
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| 13:25.42 | Henry151 | remy^: you could use my XKCD "now" inspired desktop background clock: https://github.com/151henry151/randall-clock-desktop-background |
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| 13:26.07 | Henry151 | it looks like this: https://github.com/151henry151/randall-clock-desktop-background/blob/master/blk_now/00h00m.png |
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| 13:26.42 | ratrace | finn0: stable releases are point releases, like right now Buster is at 10.1, first point release since Buster became stable |
| 13:26.45 | finn0 | That's why maintainers have to provide update through backport repository. |
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| 13:28.00 | nt80 | how can i resolve 'renameN' names for NIC interfaces in buster? |
| 13:28.49 | ratrace | what? |
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| 13:29.48 | nt80 | should i repeat the question, just tell me |
| 13:30.05 | remy^ | Henry151, feh WARNING: ./.ICEauthority - No Imlib2 loader for that file format |
| 13:30.05 | remy^ | feh WARNING: ./.Xauthority - No Imlib2 loader for that file format |
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| 13:30.27 | ratrace | nt80: I'm trying to parse what do you mean by resolving names for NIC interfaces |
| 13:30.34 | ratrace | resolving... what into what? |
| 13:31.02 | Henry151 | remy^: hmm! I haven't seen that error. Feh not having the right libraries for .png files or something, it looks like |
| 13:31.19 | nt80 | ah, resolving the problem actually, which is NIC interface names are being automatically renamed to 'rename1', 'rename2', and so on |
| 13:31.25 | Henry151 | i have it working on all three of my debian machines and none of them gave that error, odd. |
| 13:31.25 | nt80 | on an ixgbe adapter |
| 13:31.32 | finn0 | ratrace: then sometimes why do maintainers have to provide update through backport? They can also provide updates through main. |
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| 13:32.37 | remy^ | Henry151, i will have a look |
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| 13:32.52 | ratrace | finn0: because backports are introducing more changes than what stable releases would accept, also they don't "have to" |
| 13:33.31 | ratrace | nt80: something in your /etc/network/interfaces* ? networkd .link files forcing renames? udev rules? |
| 13:33.43 | Henry151 | remy^: might be as simple as "apt install libimlib2" if you haven't got that package |
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| 13:34.03 | nt80 | http://paste.debian.net/1103485/ |
| 13:34.07 | nt80 | no it's a new debian installation |
| 13:34.17 | nt80 | it got renamed even in installer |
| 13:34.35 | finn0 | ratrace: Thanks |
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| 13:34.46 | nt80 | interesting that only 1 of ports was not renamed, other 3 ports were |
| 13:34.49 | BCMM | finn0: updates through main are generally important security updates. updates to add new features have to wait until a new Stable release |
| 13:34.52 | ratrace | naos62: ah... that's normal... kernel/udev changing interface names to "predictable" |
| 13:35.08 | ratrace | nt80: ^^^^ (sorry naos62 |
| 13:35.30 | finn0 | BCMM: means point or major release? |
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| 13:36.01 | greycat | Yes. Stable releases are every 2-3 years. |
| 13:36.05 | BCMM | finn0: usually until a completely new release (major number, new codename, about every two years) |
| 13:36.08 | nt80 | so any way to fix that without changing udev rules? |
| 13:36.34 | nt80 | i think it's weird to leave it as it, or should i be okay with using 'renamex' interfaces? |
| 13:36.35 | ratrace | nt80: "fix" what? what do you want, old ethX names? |
| 13:36.39 | BCMM | finn0: the idea of "stable" isn't "crash-free software", it's "software that won't suddenly work differently one day" |
| 13:36.45 | nt80 | no i want normal eno* names |
| 13:36.51 | remy^ | libimlib2 is reeds de nieuwste versie.... it says its the newest |
| 13:36.55 | ratrace | nt80: are they not? wait... what interface names do you see? |
| 13:37.07 | greycat | nt80: what does "ip link" say they are named? |
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| 13:37.50 | nt80 | greycat, http://paste.debian.net/1103486/ |
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| 13:38.01 | ratrace | whoa nelly what is that |
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| 13:38.13 | nt80 | it should be eno0, eno1, eno2 and eno3 |
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| 13:38.31 | nt80 | oh, starting with eno1 |
| 13:38.32 | greycat | nt80: that is bizarre. I suppose the official answer for you would be "create some *.link files in /etc/systemd/network" |
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| 13:39.05 | nt80 | greycat, i think so as well, i have 4 machines with a same NIC and it's a first time i get this |
| 13:39.05 | ratrace | nt80: I bet somethign buggered the udev database... and I'd recommend what greycat suggested, name them as you want, bind to MAC addresses, that's what I do, keeping ethX but MAC bound |
| 13:39.41 | nt80 | ah okay i was unaware of binding to MAC, thanks guys |
| 13:39.50 | greycat | buster no longer officially supports udev's method of MAC-based persistent naming |
| 13:40.00 | nt80 | i hope it won't involve udev rules |
| 13:40.18 | remy^ | Henry151, thanks .. it wont work.. i was looking for it in the synaptic packedge section..and gave me also an error |
| 13:40.24 | greycat | nt80: conceptually it works the same way -- you can tell it "MAC address x has name y". It's just in a different place, in a different format. |
| 13:40.40 | ratrace | greycat: I use .link files to do so, isnt' that ok? what do you mean by supported in this case? |
| 13:40.48 | greycat | ratrace: that's not udev. that's systemd. |
| 13:40.52 | Henry151 | remy^: what was the error? |
| 13:41.09 | greycat | udev's thing was /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 13:41.14 | ratrace | greycat: yes, I guess I misread what you said |
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| 13:41.30 | finn0 | BCMM: That means a each stable release freezes the baseline of packages only security and some necessary update is provided. |
| 13:41.48 | BCMM | finn0: that's it, yes |
| 13:42.21 | BCMM | finn0: mostly it's security, but they can also fix "a truly critical functionality problem" |
| 13:42.22 | ratrace | finn0: there are exceptions to that though |
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| 13:42.46 | ratrace | finn0: the kernel rebases to newer upstream release (within the LTS branch though) for starters, and some other things get bumped up too |
| 13:42.55 | BCMM | if you install backports, you get new software with new features, but you're intentionally opting out of some of the "stability" |
| 13:43.01 | remy^ | Henry151, libimlib2 is reeds de nieuwste versie.... it says its the newest |
| 13:43.39 | Henry151 | remy^: hmm, ok |
| 13:44.06 | BCMM | ratrace: bumping versions within an upstream stable branch isn't confined to the kernel, surely? isn't that the most common way of staying on top of security issues as they appear? |
| 13:44.28 | ratrace | BCMM: mostly they're backported, but sometimes newer upstream release is imported. |
| 13:44.31 | Henry151 | remy^: this is the most interest anyone has shown to my project so far so i am very happy about it, i will work to try to figure out what this problem is. |
| 13:45.12 | greycat | Kernels get to use upstream's updates within the same release (still 4.19.x). Firefox-esr gets updated to the next ESR release when upstream support for the current one expires. |
| 13:45.14 | BCMM | ratrace: ah, ok. i sort of assumed fixes would only need to be backported if upstream wasn't support a stable branch of their own. |
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| 13:45.39 | BCMM | ^wasn't supporting |
| 13:45.55 | greycat | This is because it is widely understood that browsers are walking abominations of security holes tapes together, and there is no rational way to backport all the necessary fixes. |
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| 13:46.07 | ratrace | BCMM: I guess so, but if you check here, see the few "new upstream release" entries https://www.debian.org/News/2019/20190907 |
| 13:46.46 | remy^ | Henry151, i`ll work on it |
| 13:47.21 | ratrace | BCMM: I am guessing it's maintainers and secteam decision if a newer upstream release contains as little "new features" or breaking changes so the package is rather rebased, than stuff backported |
| 13:47.31 | nt80 | another question - maybe someone is aware of what's going on here http://paste.debian.net/1103488/ |
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| 13:47.52 | nt80 | my server was working fine about 2 months now suddenly this happen since yesterday |
| 13:48.00 | nt80 | did no updates |
| 13:48.02 | greycat | New upstream versions of a package *can* sometimes be used for security purposes, when the fixes are not backport-able. Bind9 and samba have both done this. |
| 13:48.18 | greycat | Multiple times. |
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| 13:48.49 | greycat | Mysql and Postgresql have also done it. |
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| 13:49.13 | BCMM | nt80: it's probably worth including a brief description of the problem, since some people are unlikely to click a pastebin link when it's very possible that it'll just be right out of their area of expertise |
| 13:49.54 | ratrace | greycat: yes but bind keeps stable release branches, no new features, only bug and security fixes |
| 13:50.08 | nt80 | BCMM i am sorry, you're right |
| 13:50.30 | ratrace | so does postgresql, now within major version, all point releases are exclusively bugfix and security |
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| 13:51.04 | munshine | Hello all ! We want to switch to Linux in my company, and we were wondering if there is a system to be able to log on with the same user name from any computer of the same network, and recover your documents, applications settings, personnal preferences ? Thank you :) |
| 13:51.40 | ratrace | also I think chromium is one huge exception to usual debian package "stability", but then chromium is a major operating system with embedded browser, so I guess backporting would be a nightmare :) |
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| 13:52.43 | ratrace | nt80: firmware can be notoriously buggy |
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| 13:53.44 | nt80 | ratrace, i've supposed so... got googled this and found some guy on centos bug tracker with a same problem, turned out we have same ixgbe driver version - https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=16495 |
| 13:53.54 | nt80 | i've just asked here so maybe someone is already aware of the fix for debian |
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| 13:54.58 | ratrace | nt80: or it's just hardware. I have a FreeBSD server with ixgbe interface that occasionally burps like that (and connections break). |
| 13:55.04 | g0zzy | ratrace: Thanks. I recreated the "debian-sys-maint" user and copied an old debian.cnf file over the current one. With any luck that should work |
| 13:56.03 | nt80 | ratrace, interesting that I have 2 ixgbe adapters that have exactly same behaviour, except one doesn't hang |
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| 13:56.08 | ratrace | nt80: but on the debian servers with that driver... hmm... lemme see if I have installed firmware there |
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| 13:56.18 | ratrace | nt80: but *not on ... |
| 13:56.22 | BCMM | munshine: yes, that sort of this is possible. i'm just linking this as an example because ubuntu's got a decent overview all on one page; most of that should work about the same in debian but obviously check debian docs if you go down that path https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SingleSignOn |
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| 13:59.18 | munshine | Thanks a lot BCMM, I'm going to read this. I guess "SSO" was the keyword I was looking for to do further researches, thanks :) |
| 13:59.23 | BCMM | munshine: you can also integrate with AD, in case you happen to already have that set up |
| 13:59.46 | ratrace | munshine: also look into LDAP |
| 14:00.14 | greycat | The traditional Unix way of doing this would be NIS for the user accounts, and NFS to share the home directories. NIS has been largely replaced by LDAP in many places. |
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| 14:00.40 | munshine | Ho yes we have AD set up actually |
| 14:02.33 | munshine | greycat, ratrace, I see, thanks. I will look into this :) |
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| 14:11.35 | ghoti | I miss NIS. |
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| 14:14.41 | ghoti | I haven't managed a NIS environment for almost two decades. I can be sentimental. |
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| 14:21.06 | jomofcw | Hello ! |
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| 14:21.50 | jomofcw | Installing jessie, by error (doing too much "next" "next" :x) I've installed the default GUI. I don't need it, is there an ez way to uninstall it (I need the command line only), please ? |
| 14:22.12 | a0z | jomofcw: sudo tasksel |
| 14:23.00 | ratrace | tasksel doesn't uninstall stuff, does it? |
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| 14:26.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi peeps i got a question |
| 14:26.24 | nkuttler | ratrace: man tasksel |
| 14:26.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | Aaron shanty = NOEXEC: /usr/bin/more, /usr/bin/vi |
| 14:26.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | does that turn on noexec for more and vi for Aaron? |
| 14:26.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | or just more? |
| 14:26.57 | greycat | that kinda looks like sudoers format |
| 14:27.00 | nkuttler | jomofcw: or you can just remove the task-whatever package |
| 14:27.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 14:27.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | it is |
| 14:27.07 | ratrace | nkuttler: did you try it? :) I tried when I accidentally gnome too but it didn't remove it |
| 14:27.20 | jhutchins_wk | jomofcw: First, why are you installing a release that's no longer supported? |
| 14:27.22 | nkuttler | ratrace: probably because meta packages |
| 14:28.11 | ratrace | nkuttler: dunno what, but tasksel didn't remove it, I just opted to reinstall as that was quite a very fresh installation |
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| 14:29.38 | ratrace | jomofcw: I'd recommend just reinstall anew and be careful this time. it's a lot faster than hunting down all the unwanted changes gnome did. |
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| 14:30.19 | nkuttler | !remove gnome |
| 14:30.19 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 14:30.26 | nkuttler | meh.. |
| 14:31.07 | jomofcw | I need jessie to get the same environment that the PROD server... I know this is bad :/. And yea, I reinstall it and be careful to my choice this time. |
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| 14:31.43 | nkuttler | jomofcw: you should probably automate the install then |
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| 14:34.42 | jomofcw | nkuttler I don't know what it means... automate ? (I k now the word xD but dunno what is automating an install...) |
| 14:35.13 | nkuttler | jomofcw: well, depends on your environment. do you have a phyiscal machine? |
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| 14:49.08 | ghoti | I see that on jessie, `php --version` reports "PHP 5.6.40-0+deb8u6 (cli) (built: Sep 15 2019 11:18:30)". That's a pretty recent build date. Are there folks perhaps backporting fixes for security vulnerabilities that have come out since PHP 5.6 stopped getting security updates? |
| 14:50.05 | ghoti | And if so, where can I find more information about that? |
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| 14:54.08 | ratrace | ghoti: https://wiki.debian.org/PHP |
| 14:55.22 | eb0t | hi i am doing expert install..and i dont want gnome ...when asked should i tick debian desktop environment.. |
| 14:55.50 | eb0t | if i dont install the desktop environment what will i miss |
| 14:56.16 | eb0t | im gonna install xmonad ... |
| 14:56.30 | ratrace | eb0t: if you tick desktop, but no particular desktop, it'll instlal gnome. |
| 14:56.36 | ksk | eb0t: just dont tick anything. you get a non-GUI desktop |
| 14:56.42 | eb0t | ah ok thanks perfect |
| 14:56.43 | ksk | then use apt to install the desktop you want. |
| 14:56.58 | ratrace | eb0t: so, install sans desktop and then install particular packages you.... yeah, what ksk said. |
| 14:57.10 | ksk | eh; non-GUI system rather. |
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| 14:58.32 | eb0t | yes justa terminal is fine |
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| 15:00.41 | captainfixerpc14 | could someone possibly assist in getting a gui functional on a new deb 10 installation? lightdm will not start - startx gives me (http://paste.debian.net/1103484/) all new hardware - 2tb ssd - I 7 intel asrock z390 pro mobo? |
| 15:00.57 | ksk | captainfixerpc14: you do not call startx yourself. |
| 15:01.05 | ksk | did you install a desktop? which one? |
| 15:01.07 | captainfixerpc14 | I can only get into repair mode |
| 15:01.15 | captainfixerpc14 | xfce |
| 15:01.26 | captainfixerpc14 | recovery |
| 15:01.37 | greycat | ksk: they just said they *do* run startx, in an attempt to diagnose the X problem |
| 15:02.03 | ksk | I see. |
| 15:02.07 | ghoti | ratrace: thanks, the "Notes" section on that page I guess conveys intent. Any idea if there's a mailing list I could lurk on to see how issues are handled as they come up? |
| 15:02.43 | greycat | captainfixerpc14: first question is which video chipset is in use. lspci -nn |
| 15:02.47 | zodd_ | are there any plans for an official buster-backport for Redmine? |
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| 15:03.24 | captainfixerpc14 | VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:3e98] |
| 15:04.03 | greycat | captainfixerpc14: second question is whether you've installed the appropriate firmware and microcode. "dmesg | grep -i firmware" may show errors that will point out which firmware packages your Intel device may need. |
| 15:04.26 | greycat | captainfixerpc14: mine uses firmware-misc-nonfree as well as intel-microcode |
| 15:04.27 | captainfixerpc14 | http://paste.debian.net/1103498/ output of lspci -nn |
| 15:04.50 | greycat | Ugh, coffee lake is one of those super-new things, isn't it... |
| 15:05.30 | captainfixerpc14 | cannon lake |
| 15:05.38 | greycat | it says both |
| 15:05.45 | jelly | coffee lake is 2017ish |
| 15:05.51 | captainfixerpc14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.55 | greycat | so it's even worse, then |
| 15:06.20 | jelly | even buster might have passable support for that in THEORY |
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| 15:06.52 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 15:07.04 | jelly | captainfixerpc14: which specific i7 cpu is that? |
| 15:07.06 | greycat | "coffee lake" and "cannon lake" both trigger CMD: factoids in dpkg |
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| 15:07.20 | captainfixerpc14 | it said 9th gen |
| 15:07.33 | captainfixerpc14 | but lspci lists it as 8th |
| 15:08.18 | jelly | captainfixerpc14: grep '^model name' /proc/cpuinfo|head -n1 |
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| 15:08.52 | greycat | grep -m1 is nice too |
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| 15:09.19 | captainfixerpc14 | Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9700K CPU @ 3.60GHz |
| 15:09.38 | jelly | that's probably too new for Debian 10 |
| 15:10.02 | jelly | Launch Date Q4'18 |
| 15:10.06 | captainfixerpc14 | arggggggg |
| 15:10.31 | greycat | is it worth trying buster-backports kernel + firmware + other stuff, maybe? |
| 15:10.37 | jelly | step 1) do NOT buy latest gen hardware if you want to run linux (without significant issues) |
| 15:10.41 | dbtid | i'm running hostapd and dnsmasq to provide a loal AP at home. i have a dozen or so small machines that use this AP. how do I get dnsmasq to bind the hostnames of the WiFi client machines so i don't have to have large /etc/hosts files on all the machines? dnsmasq knows the hostnames (they're in /var/lib/misc/dnsmasq.leases). |
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| 15:10.55 | jelly | ,v libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 15:10.56 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on amd64 -- jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2; stretch-backports: 18.2.8-2~bpo9+1; buster: 18.3.6-2; bullseye: 19.1.6-1; sid: 19.1.6-1; experimental: 19.2.0~rc4-1 |
| 15:11.05 | captainfixerpc14 | I was thinking that going with i7 was keeping me back a little with hardware - |
| 15:11.07 | jelly | ,v libdrm2 |
| 15:11.08 | judd | Package: libdrm2 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.4.58-2; stretch: 2.4.74-1; stretch-backports: 2.4.95-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.4.97-1; bullseye: 2.4.99-1; sid: 2.4.99-1 |
| 15:11.17 | jelly | no backports in sigght |
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| 15:11.25 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 15:11.26 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.3.0-rc5-686 (5.3~rc5-1~exp2); sid: 5.2.0-3-686 (5.2.17-1); bullseye: 5.2.0-2-686 (5.2.9-2); buster-backports: 5.2.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.2.9-2~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae |
| 15:11.27 | judd | (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3~deb8u1) |
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| 15:13.57 | jelly | captainfixerpc14: you could try to install linux-image-amd64 and firmware-misc-nonfree from buster-backports and boot that, see if there's a difference |
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| 15:17.53 | captainfixerpc14 | looking into that rihgt now with finers crossed |
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| 15:18.49 | captainfixerpc14 | *fingers |
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| 15:21.22 | jelly | !buster-backports |
| 15:21.23 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
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| 15:24.38 | captainfixerpc14 | installed - will see what reboot brings :P |
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| 15:27.18 | jelly | captainfixerpc14: also, do you see i915 kernel module loaded on current kernel at all? |
| 15:28.32 | captainfixerpc14 | I will have to check - it is rebooting now in different room |
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| 15:33.40 | ratrace | ghoti: other than the Debian PHP maintainers list, I'd recommend you subscribe to centos errata rss feed as they still have to support 5.6 and debian is I _think_ likely pulling info from there, as nobody else is "somewhat responsibly" working with 5.6 |
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| 15:42.28 | finn0 | How to get list packages which are installed from non-free repository? Probably, "aptitude search" should work but, couldn't figure how to write pattern for searching. |
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| 15:44.19 | captainfixerpc14 | @jelly, haven't seen that at all - i915 and reboot after last aeffot brought me back to flashing cursor - no gui |
| 15:45.02 | jelly | captainfixerpc14: interesting. Do you have openssh-server installed and can you log in remotely via ssh to that machine? Does it answer to ping? |
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| 15:46.05 | jelly | ,pciid 8086:3e98 |
| 15:46.06 | judd | [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3e98 |
| 15:46.18 | jelly | uhh. |
| 15:46.43 | ratrace | finn0: there's no simple way but a script that correlates dpkg -l with stuff in /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
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| 15:47.46 | ratrace | finn0: https://askubuntu.com/questions/342434/find-what-packages-are-installed-from-a-repository/1133053#1133053 |
| 15:48.02 | jelly | ,pciid 8086:3e98 --release buster |
| 15:48.03 | judd | [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in buster. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3e98 |
| 15:48.09 | jelly | ,pciid 8086:3e98 --release buster-backports |
| 15:48.10 | judd | [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3e98 |
| 15:48.16 | jelly | ,pciid 8086:3e98 --release sid |
| 15:48.17 | judd | [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3e98 |
| 15:48.21 | jelly | welp |
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| 15:48.56 | greycat | pciid has not been very helpful the last couple years |
| 15:49.12 | greycat | I just figured whatever database it reads from hasn't been kept up to date |
| 15:49.22 | jelly | I've fixed some of it, but not all |
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| 15:50.02 | captainfixerpc14 | jelly, I can ssh into it and get out to world with it |
| 15:50.02 | jelly | database was 2015ish until two weekends ago |
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| 15:50.34 | jelly | captainfixerpc14: lsmod|grep i915 ... still nothing? |
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| 15:51.44 | captainfixerpc14 | jelly, nothing |
| 15:55.18 | jelly | so 5.2.9 is not new enough. 5.2.17 might be. |
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| 15:55.57 | greycat | the joys of bleeding edge hardware |
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| 15:57.45 | jelly | captainfixerpc14: you can build your own kernel, wait for 5.2.17 to appear in backports, or if you don't have much to lose, you could enable repo for sid, install linux-image-5.2.0-3-amd64 and firmware-misc-nonfree from there, carefully remove sid repos, reboot and see if there's a difference |
| 15:57.56 | jelly | or even the 5.3~rc from experimental |
| 15:58.09 | jelly | but that one probably does not come with firmware |
| 15:59.41 | jelly | ,pciid 8086:3e98 --release bullseye |
| 15:59.42 | judd | [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3e98 |
| 15:59.46 | jelly | ,pciid 8086:3e98 --release sid |
| 15:59.48 | judd | [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3e98 |
| 16:00.00 | jelly | yep, that's actually up-to-date now |
| 16:00.07 | jelly | ,pciid 8086:3e98 --release experimental |
| 16:00.09 | judd | [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in experimental. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3e98 |
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| 16:02.35 | jelly | ,pciid 8086:3e98 --release buster-backports |
| 16:02.36 | judd | [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3e98 |
| 16:02.54 | jelly | wtf |
| 16:03.18 | jelly | grep says buster-backports ought to work as well |
| 16:03.20 | jelly | modules.pcimap-buster-backports:i915 0x00008086 0x00003e98 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00030000 0x00ffff00 0x0 |
| 16:03.51 | jelly | well, not "work". "try to load module" is more precise |
| 16:04.36 | jelly | captainfixerpc14: can you pastebin the output of dmesg, or just dmesg|grep i915, with buster-backports kernel booted? |
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| 16:05.37 | jelly | captainfixerpc14: people in #intel-gfx channel might know of a workaround. Sometimes some kernel boot parameters help. |
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| 16:11.07 | jelly | ,file i915/kbl_huc_ver02_00_1810.bin |
| 16:11.11 | judd | Search for i915/kbl_huc_ver02_00_1810.bin in buster/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/i915/kbl_huc_ver02_00_1810.bin |
| 16:13.39 | finn0 | ratrace: I wonder this because I've installed some firmware from non-free repository and I'm going to upgrade my system to Buster so, Is it good idea to add "non-free" keyword with main & contrib in Buster repository? Otherwise, I've find all non-free packages and uninstall and later, re-install it. |
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| 16:16.18 | ratrace | finn0: well if you need the non-free stuff (firmware and similar), then yea |
| 16:16.46 | eb0t | how do you restart the network on debian..i have minimal install but just altered /etc/interfaced.d and /etc/interfaces |
| 16:16.58 | finn0 | I think adding non-free keyword shouldn't create problems because ultimately I replace them with newer version with its all of dependencies. |
| 16:17.03 | eb0t | i tried systemctl restart NetworkManager.service |
| 16:17.06 | jelly | eb0t: ifdown -a; ifup -a |
| 16:17.06 | eb0t | and it does nothing |
| 16:17.13 | eb0t | ah ok thanks |
| 16:17.29 | finn0 | ratrace: okay, thanks. |
| 16:18.13 | jelly | eb0t: this can make the machine unavailable if you're logged in remotely and something goes wrong! |
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| 16:18.39 | jelly | don't do it if you don't have console access |
| 16:18.44 | ratrace | these days the networking.service implies ifdown+ifup |
| 16:18.49 | ratrace | so you can restart just that service. |
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| 16:19.40 | jelly | ratrace: I don't know which debian release they're running |
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| 16:24.11 | eb0t | ok thanks....im local ..but must have done something wrong as it said cannot |
| 16:24.43 | eb0t | i have issue when i do ifup -a it says exit on error /etc/netowrk/if-pre-up.d |
| 16:24.55 | eb0t | and /etc/network/if-up.d |
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| 16:25.02 | eb0t | i havent got any files in those directories |
| 16:25.02 | jelly | show all the output (screenshot) |
| 16:25.12 | jelly | !paste |
| 16:25.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 16:32.17 | jelly | ifdown is picky and it often can't down an interface if you changed the config file and and it does not have the same config as it was at ifup/boot time. |
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| 16:32.36 | jelly | eb0t: if it's possible to reboot, you can just reboot |
| 16:32.48 | eb0t | yes i rebooted and it worked |
| 16:32.58 | eb0t | but still doesnt explain why it failed from if up and ifdown |
| 16:33.29 | jelly | that will be hard to say without seeing actual output, of both commands |
| 16:34.18 | eb0t | yes its a bit tricky as its on a different machine |
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| 16:35.08 | jelly | people use phones with cameras and upload the images when nothing else is available |
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| 16:40.32 | eb0t | hmm ..im looking at another debian install and i dont even have a inte |
| 16:40.47 | eb0t | ah think i got it ...i have to do ifup enp0s25 |
| 16:40.54 | eb0t | rather than ifup -a |
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| 16:41.12 | eb0t | now it works |
| 16:41.13 | greycat | sounds like you forgot "auto" |
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| 16:50.21 | eb0t | yes that works the auto word |
| 16:50.28 | eb0t | good stuff thanks |
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| 16:59.57 | jak2000 | java question: how too modify a task in crontab (root) user |
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| 17:00.39 | greycat | how on *earth* is that a java question |
| 17:00.59 | jak2000 | in java say go to #debian channel |
| 17:01.46 | greycat | because it's a Debian question, not a java question. As a human you run "crontab -e" and this runs your editor, and you make the changes and save it. Or as a program, you run "crontab -l > tempfile", then modify the temp file however you see fit, then "crontab tempfile" to apply it. |
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| 17:02.52 | jak2000 | my idea is: run crontab -l command, put the output to a txt file and load it on my JSP at here no problem, but.... if i modify something, how to return this modified line to linux system? |
| 17:03.07 | greycat | I literally just said how. |
| 17:03.17 | greycat | well, typed. typed how. |
| 17:03.27 | jak2000 | how to return the modified line? |
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| 17:03.36 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 17:03.58 | jak2000 | from my java program... to linux crontab... |
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| 17:07.21 | bzed | jak2000: write it into a file, run crontab filename as mentioned above. |
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| 17:12.19 | jelly | greycat: you are quite literate. |
| 17:13.43 | jak2000 | "crontab tempfile" |
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| 17:16.46 | ksk | is there no "config management framework" in java? |
| 17:16.48 | ksk | hides |
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| 17:20.40 | netcrash | What's a good terminal? Like terminator? What options are there besides gnome-terminal , xterm , uterm , konsole |
| 17:20.51 | jak2000 | KSK CHECKING THANKS |
| 17:20.55 | jak2000 | sorry for caps |
| 17:21.26 | netcrash | terminal gui |
| 17:22.11 | diogenes_ | jak2000, putty :) |
| 17:22.20 | ksk | netcrash: some use screen/tmux (better start with using tmux, if you never used any of them before, as its more modern) |
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| 17:23.53 | jelly | screen and tmux are not terminal emulators at all, they're tools to enable persisting a terminal session |
| 17:23.55 | ksk | jak2000: for example. if you java programm would be installed via a debian package, I suppose the most sane approach would then be putting that cron into place via debian packagaging mechanisms - and not make your app do that |
| 17:24.31 | ksk | that is totally true of course. that response was however triggerd by him mentioning "terminator" ;) |
| 17:24.34 | jelly | netcrash: rxvt-unicode is reasonably light |
| 17:24.41 | greycat | If one were writing a *package* that wanted to *add* a new cron job, one would drop a file in /etc/cron.d/ rather than asking #debian how to edit root's ****USER**** crontab from a program. Duh. |
| 17:25.06 | greycat | He literally used the words "modify a task in crontab" and "user". |
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| 17:26.28 | jak2000 | ok, is a start, thanks... much thanks |
| 17:26.34 | jak2000 | (reading and googling) |
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| 17:29.49 | John75 | how do I view the console text history ? |
| 17:30.03 | John75 | console output |
| 17:30.20 | greycat | shift-pageup, but that only works for a short amount of text, and not at all if you switched virtual consoles |
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| 17:30.44 | greycat | perhaps you're actually asking for something else, like the boot messages |
| 17:30.51 | John75 | yes I use esxi vm |
| 17:31.19 | John75 | but just to see the history shift+pageup ? |
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| 17:32.40 | John75 | but thanks,. it works |
| 17:32.56 | John75 | greycat |
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| 17:37.41 | jak2000 | generating ssh keys: client: 1) ssh-keygen 2) ssh-copy-id jak@192.168.105.66 3) ssh jak@192.168.105.66 in server restarthed ssh service: sudo systemctl restart ssh Test and again again again ask me password why arghhh |
| 17:38.03 | asymptotically | jak2000: try ssh-add |
| 17:38.18 | jelly | jak2000: there is no need to restart the service |
| 17:38.25 | jak2000 | asymptotically in server or client? |
| 17:38.31 | asymptotically | on your client |
| 17:39.20 | netcrash | jak2000: no need to restart the ssh in the server also it's only needed to place authorized_keys in .ssh directory of the user |
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| 17:40.34 | jelly | jak2000: verify existence, ownership and permissions of ~, ~/.ssh and ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server. Verify AuthorizedKeysFile and related options in /etc/ssh/sshd_config are not modified |
| 17:40.44 | jelly | also on the server. |
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| 17:41.35 | jak2000 | ssh-add -L "Could not open a connection to your authentication agent." |
| 17:42.10 | jelly | jak2000: verify contents of ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub on the client, and server ~/.ssh/authorized_keys match |
| 17:42.14 | mutante | jak2000: can other existing users login with their keys or is this the first user ? |
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| 17:42.58 | mutante | jak2000: you can check /var/log/auth.log on the server to see if the error is "failed public key" or it's not even trying or other |
| 17:43.01 | jak2000 | no id_rsa.pub https://paste.debian.net/1103518/ |
| 17:43.56 | jak2000 | on server: https://paste.debian.net/1103519/ |
| 17:44.13 | jak2000 | server: Accepted publickey for jak from 192.168.105.70 port 36780 ssh2: RSA SHA256:1kivqyQwJGKYGiNdHAGk4Nlfertdxmqu/PyVHME7854 |
| 17:44.23 | mutante | jak2000: that looks like it works :) |
| 17:44.31 | mutante | Accepted publickey for jak. New session 329 of user jak. |
| 17:44.38 | mutante | so done? :) |
| 17:44.42 | jak2000 | but in client: ask me the password: |
| 17:44.54 | jak2000 | client: https://paste.debian.net/1103521/ |
| 17:45.10 | jelly | jak2000: is https://paste.debian.net/1103518/ client or server? |
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| 17:45.39 | jelly | jak2000: ssh client is not asking you for the password. |
| 17:45.40 | mutante | i think there is some confusion what is on which side |
| 17:45.42 | jak2000 | jelly: server |
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| 17:46.07 | jelly | jak2000: ssh client is asking you to unlock the private KEY which is then used to authenticate without password |
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| 17:46.32 | jelly | Enter passphrase for key '/home/jak/.ssh/id_rsa': # this is not remote password prompt |
| 17:46.45 | jak2000 | then? |
| 17:47.00 | mutante | jak2000: enter the passphrase chosen when the key was generated |
| 17:47.12 | jelly | jak2000: it's your key's passphrase, you specified at ssh-keygen time |
| 17:47.16 | jak2000 | yes |
| 17:47.17 | jak2000 | same |
| 17:47.28 | jak2000 | but ask and ask again.. its ok? |
| 17:47.40 | jak2000 | my final goal is copy a file from client to server via scp command |
| 17:47.45 | mutante | jak2000: so let's stop here for a second and agree login actually works fine |
| 17:48.02 | jak2000 | works fine. |
| 17:48.02 | mutante | so at this point it's just about "i dont want to enter the passphrase multiple times" |
| 17:48.09 | mutante | that's what ssh-add (agent) is for |
| 17:48.18 | jak2000 | ok |
| 17:48.20 | mutante | that did not seem to be running though. so you may want to start that |
| 17:48.24 | jelly | jak2000: if you want not to have to ask anything, you have two options |
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| 17:48.49 | jelly | 1) is ssh-agent running, then it remembers the unlocked key for a while |
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| 17:49.04 | jelly | 2) is REMOVE the passphrase from the key |
| 17:49.13 | greycat | In order for the ssh-agent to be actually useful, it needs to be started in a very specialized way during your login, or during your X session start-up. |
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| 17:49.26 | greycat | Just starting one isn't usually good enough. |
| 17:49.38 | jak2000 | client: https://paste.debian.net/1103522/ |
| 17:49.44 | NetTerminalGene | guys, buster supports amd 570 gpu? |
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| 17:50.29 | jak2000 | mutante: ssh-add is on client side right? |
| 17:50.39 | jelly | jak2000: if this is the first time you created the key and the first time you use it, you can just make a new key pair and if you just press ENTER when ssh-keygen asks for a passphrase, there won't be any |
| 17:50.53 | mutante | jak2000: yes |
| 17:50.54 | jak2000 | ok |
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| 17:51.18 | jelly | this is a bit less safe because someone stealing your client can then also do passwordless ssh to the server |
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| 17:51.23 | martian67 | hello |
| 17:51.41 | martian67 | in /etc/network/interfaces how can i specify "first ethernet device" whatever that might mean |
| 17:51.44 | mutante | jak2000: it's to open a key once and keep it loaded in the background for some time. so you avoid having to type the passphrase again and again. but see the comment from greycat above |
| 17:51.51 | jak2000 | jelly (if not work with password follow you) |
| 17:52.04 | jak2000 | i can connect without password |
| 17:52.06 | greycat | martian67: you can't. you have to use a name. |
| 17:52.06 | martian67 | regaurdless of name |
| 17:52.11 | jelly | martian67: why do you think you need to do that? |
| 17:52.16 | martian67 | so how do you get around this problem |
| 17:52.18 | jelly | what's the use case? |
| 17:52.26 | jak2000 | but ssh-agent isnt running |
| 17:52.30 | martian67 | because i dont know what my ethernet interface is going to be called |
| 17:52.32 | martian67 | or its mac address |
| 17:52.34 | jak2000 | need run at startup rght? |
| 17:52.39 | martian67 | i just know its going to be an ethernet interface |
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| 17:52.59 | jelly | martian67: set up interfaces _after_ the machine boots for the first time |
| 17:53.02 | mutante | jak2000: yes, it should be started when you login to graphical desktop (if you use one) |
| 17:53.07 | martian67 | jelly: not an option |
| 17:53.11 | martian67 | i never see the first boot |
| 17:53.13 | jak2000 | no graphical |
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| 17:53.20 | martian67 | i need network connectivity before i can connect |
| 17:53.44 | jelly | martian67: if the hardware is always the same the iface will have the same name |
| 17:53.59 | martian67 | maybe but i have no idea what the hardware is called |
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| 17:54.04 | martian67 | or its mac address |
| 17:54.12 | martian67 | i have no access to that information pre-first boot |
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| 17:54.37 | jelly | martian67: you don't know what hardware you're using? |
| 17:54.44 | greycat | boot with net.ifnames=0 in the kernel command line, and hope that it comes up as eth0 |
| 17:54.46 | martian67 | no. |
| 17:54.57 | jelly | martian67: do you at least know there will only be one interface? |
| 17:55.02 | martian67 | yes |
| 17:55.14 | jelly | then go with what greycat said |
| 17:55.22 | mutante | jak2000: it can be bit tricky and there are multiple ways but yea. find some way to start it at login (https://www.ssh.com/ssh/agent#sec-Running-code-ssh-agent-code) |
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| 17:55.56 | jak2000 | mutante: but need start ssh-agent when server start, not at login right? |
| 17:55.58 | jak2000 | googling |
| 17:56.00 | jelly | !dpni |
| 17:56.01 | dpkg | To disable Predictable Network Interface naming and revert back to the old interface naming, run "ln -s /dev/null /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link" as root (without quotes). Creating this symbolic link prevents systemd from being able to change interface names. You will need to unplug/replug your device or reboot/reload module. Alternatively add net.ifnames=0 to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub then run update-grub and reboot. |
| 17:56.20 | mutante | jak2000: yea, see stackoverflow. there are some examples like making a systemd unit file is another option |
| 17:56.25 | jak2000 | i think if restart client, i cant connect ... with the keys right? |
| 17:56.35 | jak2000 | or is possible add the key manually to a file? |
| 17:56.57 | greycat | I haven't studied the *.link options in depth to know whether it's possible to wildcard *everything* about the interface. |
| 17:57.27 | mutante | jak2000: the key files can be in any file as long as you also write an .ssh/config that tells it where to find keys for which hosts. or you use -f on commandline to specify path to it |
| 17:57.30 | greycat | this sounds superficially (because we have no idea what you're actually doing, because you refuse to tell us) like the kind of problem where net.ifnames=0 is the desired solution |
| 17:57.49 | mutante | jak2000: it's just looking by default in the default places |
| 17:58.38 | jak2000 | ok then ssh-agent is the way |
| 17:58.57 | jak2000 | after run ssh-agent need reADD? ssh-add or not (1 time is sufficient)? |
| 17:59.25 | jelly | martian67: but honestly, you should fix your installation procedure to avoid relying on "eth0". It's not that hard to use an in-target command in preseed |
| 18:00.22 | jelly | jak2000: you use ssh-add once after logging in to the client, and then it's there until you log out from the client |
| 18:00.40 | jak2000 | ok, thanks |
| 18:00.42 | jak2000 | logout |
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| 18:03.43 | greycat | jelly: nice attempt, on the fishing for martians. |
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| 18:13.26 | jhutchins_wk | !handbook |
| 18:13.26 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
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| 18:15.37 | Eightynine | I have stability issues with Firefox, Gnome Software, Gnome Logs and Brave. How can I find a cause? |
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| 18:17.41 | karlpinc | Eightynine: Run them from a terminal and see if they generate output when the fail. Run the debug version and analyze the core dump. ... |
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| 18:20.05 | Eightynine | https://pastebin.com/QNx52wLh |
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| 18:23.03 | Eightynine | There's "[18951.781528] Chrome_IOThread[8104]: segfault at 0 ip 000055adb36c0955 sp 00007f263effcfb0 error 4 in brave[55adb03c6000+7326000]" in dmesg. |
| 18:24.20 | SerajewelKS | either that's a bug in the browser or it's exposing a hardware issue (bad RAM/CPU for example) |
| 18:24.30 | SerajewelKS | most likely a browser bug unless everything on your system is crashy |
| 18:24.41 | humbot | it's cursed |
| 18:24.45 | greycat | they said multiple things were "unstable" |
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| 18:25.05 | greycat | I believe they all use libgtk, so it could either be hardware, or a libgtk issue of some kind. |
| 18:25.30 | greycat | ... well, I don't know what Brave is, but the other things are all libgtk based |
| 18:25.49 | SerajewelKS | brave is a chromium-based browser that steals ad revenue from sites then sells it back to them at a reduced rate |
| 18:26.09 | Eightynine | And what about this? "[ 2276.608557] gnome-logs[3190]: segfault at 17fffffff8 ip 00005654a3159b4f sp 00007fffd6ea9040 error 4 in gnome-logs[5654a3150000+e000]" |
| 18:26.33 | SerajewelKS | Eightynine: uhh yeah i would shut the system down and run a memory test on it (memtest86) |
| 18:26.33 | greycat | hardware issue sounds pretty probable, given the number of different programs you're having trouble with |
| 18:26.58 | SerajewelKS | it's likely that damage has already made its way into files on the disk |
| 18:27.41 | SerajewelKS | bad RAM is the most likely problem. after you fix the bad RAM you should restore a known-good backup from before things started crashing. |
| 18:28.25 | SerajewelKS | memtest will help you isolate which module (if any) are bad |
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| 18:29.02 | SerajewelKS | if memtest comes back clean then it'd be time to stress test your CPU and also run disk diagnostics because a failing HDD could also cause these kinds of problems |
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| 18:29.36 | Eightynine | That's strange, Brave crashed once when switching tabs and then stopped crashing after I restarted the browser. I'll check other software. |
| 18:30.02 | SerajewelKS | that's the nature of hardware issues. if it's bad RAM you'll only have problems when the defective regions are being used. |
| 18:30.35 | SerajewelKS | you need to immediately shut down the system and run memtest from CD/USB |
| 18:31.04 | Eightynine | greycat, I remember you helped me before, can you please help me with Firefox? Why is it working slow and locks first tab when opening other tabs? Do you still think it's hardware issue? |
| 18:31.41 | SerajewelKS | yes |
| 18:31.43 | SerajewelKS | yes it's a hardware issue |
| 18:31.48 | SerajewelKS | gnome-logger is segfaulting as well |
| 18:32.00 | SerajewelKS | why is the system still powered on? |
| 18:32.07 | Eightynine | SerajewelKS, I remember I tested my RAM one day, it was good. Maybe I should test it again? I don't remember when I did that previously. |
| 18:33.03 | Eightynine | SerajewelKS, I didn't turn it of because I want to gather information before running necessary tests. |
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| 18:36.02 | SerajewelKS | Eightynine: problem is the longer the system is on, the higher the risk of data corruption on disk |
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| 18:36.14 | SerajewelKS | Eightynine: system has data in bad memory, writes it out on disk over good data, now the data on disk is bad |
| 18:36.19 | SerajewelKS | (i've seen this happen before) |
| 18:36.25 | Eightynine | What if I boot my PC from flash drive and test how Debian works there? |
| 18:36.38 | SerajewelKS | Eightynine: you could do that. i would run memtest from a flash drive first, though. |
| 18:36.50 | SerajewelKS | because "see if it works well" isn't a memory test |
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| 18:37.05 | SerajewelKS | if it works fine maybe the system just never used the bad memory, or put stuff there that doesn't matter |
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| 18:37.13 | Eightynine | Does Debian come with memtest or should I create memtest disk first? |
| 18:37.25 | jelly | ,i memtest86+ |
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| 18:37.26 | judd | Package memtest86+ (misc, optional) in buster/amd64: thorough real-mode memory tester. Version: 5.01-3; Size: 73.4k; Installed: 2391k; Homepage: http://www.memtest.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/memtest86+ |
| 18:37.35 | SerajewelKS | you can install it and it will be added to grub _but_ if the system has bad memory then you could corrupt the memtest image |
| 18:37.58 | SerajewelKS | the safest thing to do is shut the system down and burn a CD of memtest / write a USB disk with the memtest image from a _different_ computer |
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| 18:38.29 | SerajewelKS | if this system has faulty hardware, you can't really even trust it to install memtest correctly |
| 18:38.37 | jelly | memtest86 (and it's + cousin) are small. Statistically there's a good chance they might get written correctly |
| 18:38.53 | jelly | its* |
| 18:38.56 | SerajewelKS | what about update-grub? :) |
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| 18:39.02 | SerajewelKS | and os-prober et al |
| 18:39.14 | jelly | also small |
| 18:39.36 | SerajewelKS | you can try just installing the package and booting it from grub. i would use a different system to be sure, though. |
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| 18:40.20 | jelly | but who doesn't have a usb stick with a decent rescue live image and memtest86 on it!? |
| 18:40.27 | SerajewelKS | i know right |
| 18:40.29 | jelly | like grml.org |
| 18:40.48 | SerajewelKS | i have a memtest CD from ages ago, i still use it (all my systems have optical drives though) |
| 18:41.21 | jelly | at least it's not a memtest86 floppy |
| 18:41.29 | SerajewelKS | i prefer CDs for diagnostic/rescue images because i have a guarantee that the system can't write to it and corrupt the image if the hardware is indeed bad |
| 18:41.46 | SerajewelKS | i still haven't found a USB flash drive with a hardware-enforced read-only switch |
| 18:42.24 | jelly | akamai have a really nice stick |
| 18:42.47 | jelly | boot it once, and there's a VFAT you write an .iso image to |
| 18:42.47 | Eightynine | I noticed a few days ago my PSU started to make more noise (it's not loud though, it just makes more noise than before). Same software, same tasks. My PC doesn't take much resources, it's not hot in the room. |
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| 18:43.27 | jelly | boot it the second time, and the microcontroller reads the .iso from the filesystem, and presents a cdrom usb device! |
| 18:44.27 | jelly | they could sell the thing for a pretty penny. And confuse EVERYONE in any debian channel |
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| 18:44.49 | jelly | "no don't copy the .iso to the stick!" |
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| 19:00.15 | Eightynine | I checked Live CD. Firefox - no problems. Gnome Logs - crashing. Gnome Software - doesn't work properly. |
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| 19:18.24 | janneke | how do i find out what the list of build-dependencies is for a package, say `make'? |
| 19:18.47 | greycat | you can do apt-get -s build-dep make |
| 19:18.48 | KOLANICH | Hello. Can anyone explain is there any sense to continue to use deb packages? |
| 19:19.03 | janneke | This: /usr/share/doc/build-essential/list does not list coreutils, e.g., so it is very incomplete? |
| 19:19.03 | greycat | that only shows the ones you're missing, though, not the full set |
| 19:19.35 | janneke | greycat: thanks...but i want to determine the list of packages and calculate size of the closure |
| 19:20.26 | janneke | `apt-rdepends --build-depends make' is very long and lists g++-hppa-linux-gnu ... that must be wrong? |
| 19:20.51 | greycat | I tried "apt-cache build-dep", no dice. tried searching for build in man apt-cache, no dice. |
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| 19:21.06 | annadane | KOLANICH, i'm not sure what you're asking |
| 19:21.08 | janneke | (i'm on amd64 and make does not need g++...) |
| 19:21.13 | greycat | rdepends sounds like you're getting it backwards, i.e. everything that depends on make |
| 19:21.23 | SerajewelKS | janneke: apt-cache showsrc, i think |
| 19:22.37 | SerajewelKS | janneke: "apt-cache showsrc make" --> Build-Depends: gettext, po-debconf, debhelper (>= 9.0.0), dh-autoreconf, autoconf, automake | automaken, autopoint, file, pkg-config, guile-2.0-dev, procps, libbsd-resource-perl <!nocheck> |
| 19:22.53 | janneke | greycat: yes, is sounds backward but: apt-rdepends - performs recursive dependency listings similar to apt-cache |
| 19:23.51 | SerajewelKS | it sounds backwards because "apt-cache rdepends" shows reverse dependencies |
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| 19:24.05 | janneke | SerajewelKS: yes, thanks...but i'm pretty certain that to build make, you need gcc, glibc, /bin/sh (dash or bash) and coreutils, possibly perl... |
| 19:24.06 | SerajewelKS | very bad naming choice for apt-rdepends to reuse a term to mean something different |
| 19:24.20 | janneke | yeah |
| 19:24.31 | SerajewelKS | janneke: the build-depends lists packages that you need to build it. those packages can themselves depend on things. |
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| 19:25.21 | janneke | SerajewelKS: ah, that makes sense...so i need to recurse |
| 19:25.57 | SerajewelKS | yes. but it's probably not going to be very useful output because it's going to drill all the way down to stuff every system will have like libc |
| 19:26.31 | SerajewelKS | sounds like an xy problem |
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| 19:28.17 | KOLANICH | annadane: it seems that deb packages are obsolete: theynuse shell scripts for hooks. And incompatible - they store file tree and encode the info into paths in it rather than encode it to metadata. And, according to Michael Stapelberg, slow. I feel like we need to change the way packages are managed in debian. |
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| 19:29.35 | ksk | KOLANICH: It would be obsolete only, if there was a replacement - you might argue if it is (still) state of the art, so to say. |
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| 19:29.59 | greycat | KOLANICH: *plonk* |
| 19:30.13 | Eightynine | I wonder why Gnome Software shows me update to Telegram 1.8.8 if I already have it. |
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| 19:30.47 | KOLANICH | ksk: there are replacements, but they are not quite replacements, they all need to be tweaked a little bit. |
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| 19:35.26 | ksk | and while systemd might have shown us that we do not need turing-completness ( shell scripts ) to manage services, I doubt that can be said about things happending in packages hooks. |
| 19:35.44 | ksk | but debian is an open source project after all - if you have a neat replacement I am sure you can bring up the topic ;) |
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| 19:39.31 | finn0 | Running "sudo apt update" I'm getting this error "E: Problem executing scripts APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success...". This happens after commenting all respository and adding "deb https://deb.debian.org/debian buster main contrib non-free". Here, transcript of the output: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/4f5ac9b2/ |
| 19:40.01 | finn0 | *after |
| 19:40.19 | jhutchins_wk | Eightynine: You might want to clean the cooling track with compressed air. |
| 19:40.32 | greycat | ... plainh. that was it. not hplain. |
| 19:41.20 | jhutchins_wk | Eightynine: How did you install your current Telegram? |
| 19:41.27 | KOLANICH | ksk: I completely aggree that Turing-completeness should be elininated from hooks. We need a modular package manager. My concepcion is described here: https://github.com/open-source-ideas/open-source-ideas/issues/50 . |
| 19:41.51 | greycat | I don't have an "appstreamcli" and don't know why it's important here... |
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| 19:42.42 | greycat | finn0: any chance it's something simple like "disk full"? |
| 19:42.57 | greycat | 'cause the second thing that comes to mind is "something corrupted in this appstream thingamabob" |
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| 19:46.00 | hesco | for iptables questions, was it #netfilter I am looking for? Been a while since I was there, and I have never figured out how to close a tab in weechat when I open a new empty room, so hate to get it wrong. |
| 19:46.20 | greycat | "/list #netfilter" and if that's not it, "/list ##netfilter" |
| 19:46.24 | finn0 | greycat: I run "aptitude why appstream" => i gnome-software Depends appstream |
| 19:46.37 | hesco | thanks greycat |
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| 19:47.54 | hesco | greycat: neither query answers for me in this irc client. command remains in my command line history, but it returned no response. |
| 19:48.17 | greycat | Try "/quote list #netfilter" maybe? |
| 19:48.35 | Eightynine | jhutchins_wk, I added flatpak support and then installed Telegram using terminal. |
| 19:48.39 | greycat | or maybe you're getting the responses in some special sandbox place that you're not currently looking at? I have no idea how other clients work. |
| 19:49.33 | jhutchins_wk | Eightynine: There you go. The debian package manager has no idea that you have the new one. |
| 19:49.43 | finn0 | seems like gnome requires it. |
| 19:49.53 | hesco | fair enough. will go search for new tabs then. no, no new tabs. will takes me chances, then. |
| 19:50.05 | Eightynine | I checked KSystemlog, it doesn't crash, it just shows error message that I have no rights to read logs. I think it's not a problem with my PC, it's just some parts of Gnome are working bad. |
| 19:50.06 | jhutchins_wk | Eightynine: If you install using methods other than dpkg/apt, you have to maintain and update the sofware yourself. |
| 19:50.47 | jhutchins_wk | Eightynine: iirc there's a way to put a "fake" entry in the database that tells apt that you updated it, or you can just pin it at whatever version it thinks you have now. |
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| 19:50.59 | Eightynine | jhutchins_wk, I mean I'm already using the latest version but Gnome Software shows the same version as update. |
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| 19:51.48 | jhutchins_wk | Eightynine: That's because Gnome (apt) isn't checking the actual version, it's checking it's database of installed packages. |
| 19:52.09 | jhutchins_wk | Eightynine: flatpak didn't update the database. |
| 19:52.37 | subcool | Did i do something by accident? Ive now tried to follow 3 guides, that require me to add a resouce from ubuntu, (spotify, gns3... and something else) But every time i follow the guide, i dl the keys, but when it do APt update - the sources file is bad. what am i missing |
| 19:52.55 | subcool | The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/gns3/ppa/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file. |
| 19:52.55 | subcool | N: Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use |
| 19:53.02 | finn0 | greycat: I've plenty of free space. "sudo apt -o APT::Get::Trivial-Only=true full-upgrade" shows full-upgrade requires around 4GiB space and I've around 8GiB free space in /var. Probably, above command will inform me if my disk is/will full after full-upgrade. |
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| 19:53.45 | saptech | ls -l |
| 19:54.53 | saptech | nvm |
| 19:55.44 | Eightynine | jhutchins_wk, Thank you for clarification. |
| 19:57.07 | subcool | for instance: https://docs.gns3.com/1QXVIihk7dsOL7Xr7Bmz4zRzTsJ02wklfImGuHwTlaA4/ |
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| 20:00.16 | ALowther | Is a keyring different than a key? I am trying to better understand the `apt-key` command, which recommends adding a keyring directly into /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ rather than using `apt-key add.` Most of these, I believe, are a single key in OpenPGP format. Are those all keyrings, despite being only a single key or are they two different concepts? |
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| 20:01.01 | lupine | a keyring is a collection of keys and signatures, which may have a size of 1 |
| 20:01.44 | jhutchins_wk | !don't break debian |
| 20:01.45 | dpkg | dont break debian is, like, https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 20:01.56 | jhutchins_wk | subcool: See above. |
| 20:02.04 | paw | Packaging question: I'm trying to make a package A depend on package B but B doesn't have to be installed (a soft dependency) - I think there's the control fields Suggests/Enhances? I want to make sure that package A gets configured after B happens. How do I do this? |
| 20:02.12 | jhutchins_wk | subcool: What is your actual install target? |
| 20:03.15 | jhutchins_wk | paw: What if they _don't_ install B? |
| 20:03.37 | ALowther | lupine: Thank youâit seems that all of the shipped keys are keyrings with a size of 1? |
| 20:04.36 | paw | jhutchins_wk: then A just proceeds. Biggest requirement is that if B is to be installed, it needs to happen after A. Is this possible? |
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| 20:05.05 | paw | sorry, got that wrong, if A is to be installed, it happens after B |
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| 20:05.55 | mutante | paw: maybe this is helpful for the difference between the different options https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html |
| 20:06.05 | mutante | Recommends vs Suggest vs Enhances |
| 20:06.11 | mutante | maybe Pre-Depends |
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| 20:06.32 | paw | yes, trying to find soething that defines the diff. going there! thanks |
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| 20:16.23 | rue | if I have an upgrade come to a grinding halt beause apt says the kernel needs to be upgraded so that it can do the libc upgrade.. what does a person do? |
| 20:16.34 | rue | its stuck it wont allow me to upgrade the kernel |
| 20:16.43 | rue | cause its got libc stuck in its throat |
| 20:16.45 | greycat | Are you on a VPS where you don't actually control the kernel? |
| 20:16.51 | rue | no |
| 20:16.54 | rue | its a real computer |
| 20:17.05 | greycat | Then what's the story? What kernel are you running, and why can't you update it? |
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| 20:17.33 | rue | I cant update it cause it wont install it casue it cant install libc |
| 20:17.56 | greycat | What kernel, what version of Debian, ... |
| 20:18.18 | rue | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:18.19 | rue | 10.1 |
| 20:18.37 | rue | uname -a |
| 20:18.37 | rue | Linux Asterisk 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Wed May 18 07:08:50 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:19.02 | greycat | So, what is the story behind this kernel, which is *WAY* too old? |
| 20:19.11 | somiaj | buster cannot run on a 2.6.32 kenel, you will have to stick to stretch if on a vps that uses that shared kernel. |
| 20:19.35 | rue | well I would upgrade it if I could, but with libc not installed it wont let me install anything |
| 20:19.53 | rue | question being, where does I go from here :) |
| 20:19.53 | greycat | You're NOT TELLING USâ.. is this on purpose? Should we stop asking? |
| 20:20.05 | rue | no I want it all upgraded |
| 20:20.16 | somiaj | rue: In this vps, do you have control of the kernel, or do you have to use the 2.6.32 kernel shared with the host? This depends on your vps provider. |
| 20:20.17 | rue | I'll fix things later |
| 20:20.25 | greycat | Did you attempt to jump straight from Debian 6 to Debian 10 in a single operation? |
| 20:20.28 | somiaj | rue: also are you upgrading from stretch? |
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| 20:20.42 | rue | its a real computer sitting beside me |
| 20:20.53 | greycat | Why is it running 2.6? |
| 20:20.57 | ksk | that 2.6.32 does match the last openvz (5?) kernel btw.. |
| 20:20.58 | rue | I think it was 4 when I started the upgrades |
| 20:21.13 | greycat | ksk: openvz kernels have "stab" in their versions. Very easily spotted. |
| 20:21.19 | somiaj | sounds like you never installed the kernel meta package and have been using an old, insecure kernel |
| 20:21.35 | somiaj | the first thing you need to do is install the stretch kernel and reboot onto it then try to finish the upgrade. |
| 20:22.02 | rue | how do I install the stretch kernel |
| 20:22.07 | rue | I cant apt-get it |
| 20:22.13 | greycat | ... ok, I will just stop asking then. |
| 20:22.18 | rue | apt is stuck on libc |
| 20:22.33 | whislock | rue: Start answering questions or stop asking for help. |
| 20:22.38 | somiaj | yea, you might be in some broken state you need to boot from a live system and chroot into your system to boot |
| 20:22.51 | somiaj | styem to fix |
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| 20:23.03 | rue | ok, Its running |
| 20:23.16 | rue | use a live boot to get around the apt lockup? |
| 20:24.18 | rue | ksk there is no particular reason I'm running 2.6 but it wont let me upgrade it |
| 20:24.30 | somiaj | get on a live system with a modern kernel, chroot into your system, finish the upgrade on a kernel that works with the new libc, then install a correct kernel |
| 20:24.47 | somiaj | it might take a bit since you haven't been upgrading the kernel with all your past upgrades (assuming that is what happened) |
| 20:24.47 | rue | I tried a kernel source from kernel.org and it has dependencies that wont allow me to configure it |
| 20:25.08 | rue | yea, this has been sitting on a shelf for a long time |
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| 20:25.30 | rue | its got a bunch of files I didn't want to mess with, so I didn't want to wipe/reinstall |
| 20:25.42 | rue | live booting will be some fun, I dont have a usb stick around |
| 20:26.31 | rue | ok, hmm |
| 20:26.58 | rue | maybe I can find a backup drive and try to backup what I think I need and reinstall |
| 20:27.01 | rue | arg |
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| 20:27.22 | rue | its too bad the kernel source package isn't atomic |
| 20:27.55 | greycat | P.S. https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#glibc-and-linux |
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| 20:28.11 | greycat | Starting with glibc 2.26, Linux kernel 3.2 or later is required. To avoid completely breaking the system, the preinst for libc6 performs a check. If this fails, it will abort the package installation, which will leave the upgrade unfinished. If the system is running a kernel older than 3.2, please update it before starting the distribution upgrade. |
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| 20:38.06 | velix | How often should I update a Debian server? Automatic updates are great, but I want to run it for myself. |
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| 20:38.28 | greycat | Totally up to you. Once a day is reasonable. Or less often, if you aren't too concerned. |
| 20:38.58 | velix | okay |
| 20:38.59 | greycat | Or you can subscribe to the security alerts, and just update whenever you get one. |
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| 20:39.20 | velix | Yeah, that's what I did |
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| 20:42.02 | matu | Hi |
| 20:42.28 | matu | do you know if debian will recognize this kind of mouse ? https://www.contourdesign.com/ |
| 20:42.33 | anonyan | hi everyone. can you advise a (kughtweight) program for writing music rhythm? |
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| 20:42.38 | matu | the first one on the homepage |
| 20:43.07 | matu | i have a cervical hernia but i can't stop using linux obviously ^^ |
| 20:43.22 | matu | (it is getting better don't worry ^^) |
| 20:44.34 | matu | i guess it should be seen as a standard usb mouse, the last problems reported about Linux and this kind of device seems to be 15 years old |
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| 20:51.20 | matu | the company was unable to give me the name of a linux distro that would would with it, they just told me there was a "hid mode" available |
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| 20:51.51 | greycat | Can you return it if it doesn't work? |
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| 20:55.44 | jamsa | deb cdrom:<path> doesn't find/read CD image USB sticks |
| 20:56.07 | GenTooMan | ok little frustrated ... debian svnkit-java is 7 reversions behind and is incompatible with subversion distributed with debian (it's one db version behind it). |
| 20:57.18 | matu | greycat, good question |
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| 20:57.25 | matu | i will ask the company tomorrow, thank you |
| 20:58.25 | matu | i guess yes bc we can test if for free during 14 days |
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| 21:31.59 | otyugh | hey |
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| 21:32.12 | otyugh | Gotta a problem where a hp printer only print halfway |
| 21:32.34 | otyugh | Could it be an hardware problem ? I tried with the same firmware on another PC, and got no issue. |
| 21:32.41 | otyugh | (hplip) |
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| 21:52.43 | bernyrd | matu: it is probably supported. if they said it is HID it is definitely supported, at least for basic mouse things. custom driver wnet out of style |
| 21:52.54 | bernyrd | and on Linux, is easier to make drivers now, can do them in userspace |
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| 21:59.34 | aidanpr | alright guys |
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| 22:02.43 | matu | thanks bernyrd |
| 22:02.50 | hussar_ | where is pip3's config file |
| 22:02.59 | matu | i did not know that hid meant |
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| 22:03.22 | matu | so i supposed it would only works partially by any chance |
| 22:03.51 | matu | i should start a blog to test these devices on GNU/Linux |
| 22:04.06 | matu | and write some reports |
| 22:04.29 | matu | i rly think i will, we don't have this kind of information available |
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| 22:04.37 | matu | easily |
| 22:04.39 | matu | thank you |
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| 22:13.58 | bernyrd | yeah if you can write about it, it will be useful. probably no traffic for years but then someone somewhere eventually searches a search engine and finds your report :) |
| 22:14.16 | bernyrd | lot of info I get from blogs that do not receive much traffic. |
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| 22:25.37 | nt80 | how can I list all non-free packets installed on my debian installation? |
| 22:27.38 | i_wdt | nt80: like this âdpkg-query -W -f='${Section}\t${Package}\n' | grep ^non-freeâ |
| 22:28.35 | otyugh | hey. What would be the correct way to ask systemd not to wait for any network-related service to delay the start of a session ? I can see it's half of the boot time, and I don't need the network being available right away. |
| 22:30.39 | nt80 | i_wdt, thanks, it returns empty output. should it return empty for `... | grep ^mainâ as well? |
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| 22:36.15 | ksk | otyugh: some units which start your desktop? most likely tell systemd they want networking - most likely, there is a reason for that |
| 22:36.57 | otyugh | ksk, there is, but they could be started afterward |
| 22:37.16 | otyugh | Is there an option to say "launch in the background, don't wait" ? |
| 22:37.19 | ksk | the maintainer of these packages seems to have a different opinion. |
| 22:37.31 | ksk | you can edit the unit file in question, to not depend on networking |
| 22:37.34 | i_wdt | otyugh: no, do y use a buster or sid release? I'm using it with unstable and it's work but on Ubuntu 18.04, this doesnât work from work. Mb dpkg version version problem |
| 22:37.47 | ksk | take a look at systemd-anazlyze or so - tells you which unit takes how much time to startup |
| 22:38.49 | otyugh | ksk, yeah. I did that. I tried to change the bit under [install] with the wantedBy bit. But it doesn't seem to update systemd's behaviour |
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| 22:41.57 | i_wdt | I think that best practice is to turn off all demons that are not needed or do not understand what they are doing. further include them if necessary |
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| 22:50.44 | jmcnaught | otyugh: how do you configure networking? NetworkManager, /etc/network/interfaces, or something else? |
| 22:51.06 | otyugh | networkmanager |
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| 22:51.43 | otyugh | i_wdt, this is not the issue. I know what they are doing. I just don't need them to delay booting, they can be up wenhever they are ready |
| 22:52.18 | otyugh | Most people don't need to have network up to have a working session. |
| 22:52.26 | jmcnaught | otyugh: is NetworkManager-wait-online.service enabled? |
| 22:52.34 | otyugh | first thing I disabled |
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| 22:55.11 | i_wdt | otyugh: how about disable this (networkmamager.service) service and enable/disable on triggers or manualy by alias |
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| 22:55.47 | otyugh | i_wdt, this seems even hackier than just editing the systemd files. >.> |
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| 22:56.15 | otyugh | But I get your point |
| 22:56.54 | otyugh | I was hoping that there was a better solution, as I'm not super familiar with systemd. |
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| 22:57.28 | otyugh | I just wonder what's gotten into debian/ubuntu to delay boot that much for a feature most people don't need. |
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| 22:58.09 | jmcnaught | otyugh: not sure how to solve your problem, but did you edit system files in /lib/systemd? |
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| 22:59.26 | otyugh | nay, I did it from etc/systemd/system/ as it is maint |
| 23:00.03 | otyugh | But if you are as unfamiliar as me with systemd, don't bother. I was asking in case of anyone familiar could tell me how to got a different route alltogether. |
| 23:00.30 | otyugh | thanks tough ^^' |
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| 23:00.58 | jmcnaught | I'm familiar with systemd I just don't know how to solve your particular problem. Just wanted to warn you about packages overwriting changes in /lib/systemd in case you had made changes there. |
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| 23:05.39 | i_wdt | one of solution is setting the script (that running service) at x session startup |
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| 23:06.43 | jmcnaught | Looking at "systemd-analyze critical-chain" might provide some insight if you have not already looked at it. |
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| 23:11.09 | otyugh | did so. |
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| 23:18.06 | bigMouthCommie | i'm running into an error every time i tab-complete. |
| 23:19.03 | bigMouthCommie | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.18 | bigMouthCommie | i dont want to be en_NZ anyway. en_US would be fine |
| 23:19.45 | mutante | i think "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and you get a menu where you can select or deselect them |
| 23:19.50 | bigMouthCommie | i've followed the instructions i've found online for resetting language preferences probably 3 times now. still throws errors. |
| 23:21.20 | bigMouthCommie | yea. i just did that but apt still throws errors |
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| 23:22.40 | ksk | otyugh did you deamon-reload? :P |
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| 23:22.58 | otyugh | yup. |
| 23:23.09 | ksk | also, best practice is to copy the unit files that came via package, and copy them to /etc/systemd/system/ - they will take priority then |
| 23:23.14 | otyugh | seem I need to systemctel reenable so that .target get refreshed |
| 23:23.29 | otyugh | I do that already. |
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| 23:23.51 | otyugh | thanks though x) |
| 23:24.13 | jmcnaught | you can just do "systemctl edit foobar.service" and it will make /etc/systemd/system/foobar.service.d/override.conf for you in your configured editor. |
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| 23:30.43 | bernyrd | ksk: for most part is no reason for systemd to delay boot for network... even happen on server often, very annoying, machine does not come up or waits for like 20min to come up (if you have other access, like screen or IPMI) |
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| 23:36.10 | eb0t | hey i dont get it if i do apt-cache search alsa....i get a big list ofthings most of which are not alsa anything and alsa-utils is not in the list |
| 23:36.18 | eb0t | but if i search alsa-utils it finds it |
| 23:36.25 | eb0t | does anyone know why this is happening |
| 23:37.23 | mutante | eb0t: i get a big list too but alsa-utils is in it. it's just not sorted alphabetically. try apt-cache search alsa | grep alsa-utils |
| 23:37.26 | mutante | or | sort |
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| 23:37.57 | eb0t | ok ill try that ...i expected it to just show alsa stuff but it decided to pull in the entire repo |
| 23:38.33 | mutante | eb0t: that is because it does not just search the short description line but also the whole text you would see with apt-cache show |
| 23:38.33 | eb0t | wow that sort command is excellent ..thanks |
| 23:38.47 | jmcnaught | 'apt-cache --names-only search alsa' |
| 23:38.52 | mutante | so i think all of these packages just happen to have "alsa" somewhere in the description |
| 23:39.00 | mutante | maybe even as part of other words? |
| 23:39.11 | eb0t | thanks ill make a note of the sort and the --names-only |
| 23:43.40 | eb0t | those are kind of a life changer |
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| 23:46.41 | jmcnaught | aptitude search is also pretty great |
| 23:46.52 | eb0t | thanks |
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