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| 00:57.02 | ellie2 | I'm having a problem with static IPs and Debian and wondered if someone could advise me |
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| 00:58.05 | somiaj | explain your problem, and how you configure your network. |
| 00:58.06 | ellie2 | I have my system configured to use static IPs, but when my Debian box loses it's connection to my router, it keeps changing back to DHCP! |
| 00:58.22 | ellie2 | I really hate DHCP |
| 00:58.30 | somiaj | How are you configuring your network? |
| 00:58.45 | somiaj | such as /etc/network/interfaces, network-manager, or one of the many other tools out there? |
| 00:59.05 | ellie2 | I don't have access to this machine atm unfortunately as I cannot ssh into it! |
| 00:59.34 | ellie2 | But I usually fully disble network-manager as I find it to be a nightmare. I prefer to use text configuration in /etc |
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| 01:00.03 | ellie2 | But there's some program keeps chaning settings. |
| 01:00.21 | somiaj | in /etc, clarify what you are using? |
| 01:00.46 | somiaj | if you are using /etc/network/interfaces, I don't see what could be doing this. That is how I configure my static ips and I haven't ran into this issue |
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| 01:01.10 | somiaj | if you are using some other tool to manually configure, it could be that you have conflicting tools trying to control the network, in this case track down the conflicting tools. |
| 01:01.26 | ellie2 | I feel stupid, I don't have access to the machine now as its remote and becuase it's changed its IP again, I cannot ssh into atm |
| 01:02.37 | ellie2 | I set its IP to 192.168.0.77. I do this so that I can use port forwarding on my router so that I can log in remotely |
| 01:03.24 | Makerblaker | You have DHCP turned off on the router? |
| 01:03.30 | ellie2 | But when the router is reset, it changes it's IP to 192.168.0.1xx and I can no longer ssh into it as port forwarding is ONLY for 192.168.0.77 |
| 01:03.34 | Makerblaker | Or at least that address excluded? |
| 01:03.58 | ellie2 | I will have to wait until I get physical access to the machine again tomorrow. |
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| 01:04.41 | SerajewelKS | ellie2: is .77 in the DHCP range of your router? |
| 01:05.01 | SerajewelKS | it's a bad idea to statically configure a machine in the DHCP range. your router could hand out that address to something else. |
| 01:05.02 | somiaj | Another possible culprit is avahi, this might be something that detects when a router is added/removed |
| 01:05.14 | ellie2 | No. DHCP range is 192.168.0.100-199 iirc |
| 01:06.01 | somiaj | you could also just configure the router to assign that mac address the desired ip, but it would be nice to track down the culprit, you should be able to make it so the ip stays static even if the wire is unpluged/pluged back in, or a router goes offline/online |
| 01:06.05 | ellie2 | I usually use numbers below 100 for my static IPs |
| 01:06.30 | somiaj | but yea, until you have access to your machine, it will be hard for us to help you debug the issue |
| 01:07.48 | SerajewelKS | the most likely thing is as somiaj said, there's probably two network configuration systems in use on the machine |
| 01:08.07 | ellie2 | I've had this problem a few times and I've never manged to track it down. |
| 01:08.23 | Makerblaker | Is this a clean install? |
| 01:08.25 | SerajewelKS | once the network is up with a static ip, ifupdown doesn't care about it anymore |
| 01:08.37 | SerajewelKS | so if something is changing the IP later, it's not ifupdown |
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| 01:08.57 | ellie2 | No, this is many years old. It's usually not a big problem becuase it's rare that it loses connection to the router |
| 01:09.17 | somiaj | if using the interfaces file, I could see maybe allow-hotplug causing things to trigger with a router going down/comming back up, since it might detect a unplug/replug event. |
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| 01:09.24 | somiaj | just use auto instead |
| 01:09.28 | ellie2 | But it's annoying when it happens as I can't fix it remotely |
| 01:09.45 | somiaj | but this is all spectualation until we get more info about your configuration |
| 01:10.42 | ellie2 | Yeah, sorry about that. I will post my /etc/network/interfaces when I get access to it! |
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| 01:25.02 | mtcdood | I'd like to mv to a filename containing slashes, but Bash is interpreting them as a directory path no matter how I try escaping them |
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| 01:25.53 | mtcdood | commands like 'mv 930.mp3 "$(cat file)" where file contains a filename with slashes in it |
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| 01:26.23 | mtcdood | $(cat file | sed 's|/|\/|') had no impact, nor did adding an additional or two additional backslashes in an attempt to escape the slashes |
| 01:26.57 | mtcdood | nor did adding escaped single quotes \' or "'" around "$(cat file)" |
| 01:28.33 | mtcdood | the slashes are part of dates |
| 01:28.40 | mtcdood | like 9/30/2019 |
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| 01:36.38 | eb0t | urxvt -e bash -c 'tmux new -s work' |
| 01:36.41 | eb0t | urxvt -e bash -c 'tmux new -s weechat' |
| 01:36.42 | eb0t | Y |
| 01:36.52 | eb0t | any ideas what is wrong with those commands in a script |
| 01:37.14 | eb0t | it opens the tmux files..but rather than like multiple terminals ..they seem to be inside each other |
| 01:37.49 | eb0t | when i close one ..the only one i can see..it closes but the other appears |
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| 01:56.50 | jadax | my desktop got unexpected power-off and now after turning it back up when I type password - I get back to password screen |
| 01:57.04 | swift110 | hey all |
| 01:57.04 | jadax | like something can't start X |
| 01:57.15 | jadax | and gives me back the login screen |
| 01:57.35 | jadax | how do I debug it? I can switch to other terminal and log in as root in text only mode |
| 01:57.38 | jadax | with no X |
| 01:57.44 | jadax | dmesg doesn |
| 01:57.48 | jadax | 't show anything useful |
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| 02:00.21 | ksk | jadax: sounds more like an X problem, than anything kernel related (dmesg shows kernel messages) |
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| 02:00.40 | jadax | so /var/log/X ? |
| 02:00.54 | ksk | most likely. my experience with desktops is limited, sorry. |
| 02:01.08 | jadax | the thing is - whole system got unexpected shutdown so I thought it would be some filesystem errors |
| 02:01.13 | jadax | that's usually what happens |
| 02:01.24 | jadax | but then it's ext4 so journal is there for a reason |
| 02:01.34 | ksk | yeah - but they would a) be fixed automagicly b) would give you an error, if not |
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| 02:02.09 | ksk | did you check if there is anything in /lost+found |
| 02:02.44 | ksk | (I would assume though, that a automatic filesystem repair would not do such thing) |
| 02:03.45 | jadax | lost+found is empty |
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| 02:05.42 | ksk | kk - Id go and debug the X stack then (starting with the session manager? not sure) |
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| 02:08.55 | jadax | my ~/.bashrc seems messed up |
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| 02:09.08 | jadax | I'm searching for default debian bashrc now |
| 02:09.23 | ksk | it does not get executed by a graphical login at all ;) |
| 02:14.20 | fryguy | hrmm, i'm running into a weird preseed problem. I'm using virt-install to preseed, injecting into initrd. If I inject preseed.cfg and change nothing else, it works. If I specify preseed/file=/preseed.cfg as a boot parameter, it works. If I rename the file to "somethingelse.preseed.cfg" and change the boot parameter to match, it doesn't preseed. The contents of the preseed file is identical in both |
| 02:14.26 | fryguy | cases. why might changing the name affect this? |
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| 02:21.02 | jadax | I can log in to the system using text-only terminal |
| 02:21.05 | jadax | so I log in as root |
| 02:21.09 | jadax | then I su <user> |
| 02:21.23 | jadax | and I have no access to most commands |
| 02:21.28 | jadax | like ls or env |
| 02:21.47 | jadax | they are all 'bash: env: command not found' |
| 02:22.10 | jadax | but root is fine, root has access to these commands |
| 02:22.18 | ksk | using buster? read the release notes regarding so |
| 02:22.22 | ksk | s/so/su |
| 02:22.26 | jadax | yes, buster |
| 02:22.26 | ksk | or use "su user -" |
| 02:23.43 | jadax | yes, I'm on buster |
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| 02:56.12 | cam3lto3_ | hello, i just purchased a new domain and would like to redirect my old url to the new one, how can i do that |
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| 02:58.02 | ksk | use HTTP 302 (or 301, but careful with that, as its permanent!) - not really a debian question ;) |
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| 03:51.25 | jadax | My default welcome screen (aka login window) on ctrl+alt+F1 console is messed up. When I type up correct user credentials it flashes and goes back to login window. If I go to ctrl+alt+F2 and log in as same user and startx - then my graphical environment starts just fine |
| 03:51.44 | jadax | how do I debug the ctrl+alt+F1 problem? |
| 03:55.46 | saptech | how do I search for a source file? |
| 03:56.12 | saptech | in repositories |
| 03:57.47 | swift110 | ook |
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| 03:58.11 | saptech | hey swift110 |
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| 04:02.00 | eb0t | hey i cant find nerdtree for vim |
| 04:02.08 | eb0t | surely that should be in debian by now |
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| 04:08.44 | somiaj | Seems someone tried to package it, but it never made it into debian |
| 04:08.47 | somiaj | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=624661 |
| 04:08.48 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/624661 in vim-scripts (open, patch): «vim-scripts: Please include "The NERD tree"»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2011-04-30; last modified: 2014-08-12. |
| 04:09.01 | somiaj | and https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=652891 |
| 04:09.02 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/652891 in vim-scripts (open, patch): «vim-scripts: Please include "The NERD tree"»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2011-12-21; last modified: 2017-06-26. |
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| 04:10.55 | eb0t | omg ..i use vim as an ide and work tool ..but i mainly use nerdtree and also vim notes..and i have just virtually finished installing and setting up debian |
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| 04:11.04 | eb0t | and there are no vim notes..and no nerdtree |
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| 04:12.37 | eb0t | i shouldnt have taken it for granted ..that all vim stuff would be available like in every distro |
| 04:14.01 | somiaj | so just install these plugins in $HOME |
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| 04:14.40 | eb0t | ill look into it |
| 04:14.48 | eb0t | thanks |
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| 04:21.06 | swift110 | ok |
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| 06:02.16 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 06:02.16 | dpkg | <nvz> Pretty much lost interest in school after the 3rd of 4th year when I seen that they couldnt teach me anything anymore, and I began my own quest of knowlage |
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| 06:39.54 | ratrace | I love it when bugs like bug 941414 put a gun to my head and force me to fix stuff or else in about a week hundreds of websites in our infra will go dark.... |
| 06:40.35 | ratrace | thankfully it's a single shell script I can download from git and not rely on debian packaging |
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| 06:58.17 | jelly | ratrace: if it's "about a week" then your cron job does not often enough |
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| 06:59.12 | ratrace | default is 20 days, so not much more often :) |
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| 08:38.31 | k311 | Hello, debian is a rolling relise? |
| 08:38.57 | apollo13 | no |
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| 08:39.05 | k311 | fixed? |
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| 08:40.33 | k311 | Debian is a Fixed relise or semi-rolling? |
| 08:40.51 | ayew | fixed |
| 08:41.01 | k311 | Thanks! |
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| 08:46.27 | jmd | systemd-timesyncd cannot seem to contact *.debian.pool.ntp.org (I suspect a firewall is blocking them) Is there an easy workaround? |
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| 08:49.56 | ratrace | well.... debian testing and unstable are in principle rolling releases |
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| 08:52.44 | ayekat | well, testing is rolling with a small dent in the wheel :-P |
| 08:53.33 | ratrace | jmd: use another pool? |
| 08:54.19 | jmd | Any suggestions? (I suspect port 123 might be generally blocked) |
| 08:55.06 | ratrace | if you have port 123 blocked at an upstream firewall, then surely there must be a NTP service inside your LAN or DMZ.... and if not? fire the sysadmin of that network. |
| 08:55.35 | ratrace | jmd: but uh... tried with anotehr pool? |
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| 08:57.55 | jmd | Yes I have. |
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| 09:11.26 | ratrace | jmd: so what kind of network is that? also, you can use mtr-tiny to diagnose of port 123 is blocked and where |
| 09:12.08 | Eightynine | You know, you where right. My motherboard has 3 LEDs on it: CPU, RAM, VGA. These LEDs are there for easy diagnostics. If LED is turned off then the respective component works without problems. But if it turns on and shines red then the component is bad or doesn't work properly. Previously only VGA was turned on during PC boot (and then indicator turns off, PC keeps booting) and RAM indicator is turning on too. Another issue I had is Telegram update. That was |
| 09:12.08 | Eightynine | a bug. It showed update from 1.8.8 to the same version, now it shows 1.8.9. |
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| 09:14.59 | jmd | ratrace: I'll checkout mtr-tiny Thanks. |
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| 09:16.05 | ratrace | jmd: it's a traceroute on steroids and can do syn/udp based "pinging" |
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| 09:17.58 | jmd | Yeah it looks like all ports except 443 are blocked. :( |
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| 09:18.42 | ratrace | jmd: what kind of network is that! |
| 09:19.03 | jmd | A firewalled one. |
| 09:19.52 | ratrace | by a clueless admin? |
| 09:20.08 | ratrace | or are there LAN/DMZ proxy services for non-https traffic? |
| 09:20.20 | ratrace | like, dunno, dns? ntp? email? |
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| 11:57.28 | ALowther | Where is `The name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1 was not provided by any .service files` coming from? It's an error I try to get when using `systemctl start $SERVICE` as non-root and without sudo. I can get it to work by using sudo, it just seems like a vague error that isn't obviously related to root privileges, at least to me, and I was hoping to get a better understanding. |
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| 11:58.46 | ratrace | ALowther: systemd has the ability to check policykit for privileged operations. |
| 11:59.08 | ratrace | in fact, it doesn't understand the difference, and can't tell you "you must've run this as root" because it wouldn't be true. |
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| 11:59.15 | ratrace | yes, it stinks. |
| 11:59.37 | ALowther | !policykit |
| 12:00.05 | ratrace | ALowther: google up "polkit" |
| 12:00.10 | ALowther | Bummer, any hits/tips on understand policykitâI imagine I could google it, but if you have relevant sources, that would be great. Everything on google isn't a great resource. |
| 12:00.15 | ALowther | ratrace: Will do. |
| 12:00.35 | ratrace | ALowther: it's a dbus based sudo analogue from the gnome/freedesktop camp. |
| 12:01.36 | ratrace | essentially it's a list of policies written in javascript (!) which resembles more a role-based access control, than sudo. Anyway, if you're using GNOME, chances are it's present and if you start a service as non root, it'll present you a nice GUI "password pls" dialogue. |
| 12:02.08 | ratrace | (polkit daemon is not in javascript, policies only are) |
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| 12:08.23 | ALowther | ratrace: Interesting. I'm using Debian on a VPSâGNOME, to my knowledge, is just for GUI. I wonder why that is included in my distribution, unless that's just how it ships. |
| 12:09.35 | ratrace | sorry, not sure I understand "why that is included in my distribution" |
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| 12:10.42 | ALowther | The VPS provider allows me to select which distribution I want to use and installs it. If I am only accessing remotely and if GNOME is only for GUI, I wonder why they installed a version of Debian including GNOME support/packages. |
| 12:11.16 | ratrace | sounds like amateur hour. |
| 12:11.52 | ratrace | especially since you should be having polkit then, if gnome is installed. |
| 12:11.57 | ksk | I agree, kind of a red flag if the image on your VPS contains a desktop. |
| 12:12.01 | ALowther | ratrace: Could be. It's a low cost VPS I found. 3GB RAM for $3/month. Something interesting to learn and keep in mind. |
| 12:12.34 | ksk | you could try the obvious, and ask your provider why that is, of course ;) |
| 12:12.34 | ALowther | ratrace: Well, from what you're saying, I do, because I am getting that error when trying to start a service via systemd without root/sudo |
| 12:12.47 | ALowther | ksk: I absolutely will! :) |
| 12:13.04 | ksk | ALowther: eh? only the superuser is allowed to start/stop services, that is totally normal |
| 12:13.25 | ratrace | ALowther: no, you should see a popup asking for password, if polkit is present (and systemd is using it) |
| 12:14.03 | ratrace | ksk: actually not on gnome systems. systemctl will consult polkit, and if you read above, the problem here is that systemctl didn't say "you must be root" but complained no dbus-activated unit provided the polkit service. |
| 12:14.11 | ALowther | ksk: But if polkit is associated with GNOME, and not present otherwise on Debianâby default, and I am getting an error associated with polkit, then wouldn't that mean GNOME is installed? |
| 12:14.39 | ksk | mhhmkay. even on a remote ssh login, for example? |
| 12:15.14 | ratrace | ksk: afaik yes, but you won't get a gui popup naturally. I think I saw that last time I tried feh dorah. |
| 12:16.01 | whislock | polkit does not require gnome - only a small set of libraries. |
| 12:16.19 | ksk | wondering how anyone could think of that as a nice feature, but nevermind me :x |
| 12:16.51 | whislock | Just install 'policykit-1'. |
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| 12:17.57 | ratrace | true, but gnome requires polkit. |
| 12:18.07 | whislock | A requires B does not mean that B requires A. |
| 12:18.08 | ratrace | so if gnome is present, polkit should be too. |
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| 12:19.42 | ALowther | Is there an easy way to look in my filesystem to see if GNOME is indeed installed? I looked in /etc and did not see a directory named GNOME |
| 12:20.01 | whislock | dpkg -l | grep gnome |
| 12:20.02 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep gnome |
| 12:20.02 | ksk | "dpkg -l | grep gnome" |
| 12:20.07 | whislock | Thank you, dpkg. |
| 12:20.15 | ksk | or dpkg -l $gnome-pkg-name" - if you know how its called |
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| 12:20.37 | ratrace | ALowther: wait, I thought you said you had your VPS installed with gnome... |
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| 12:20.50 | ALowther | Okay, I got no results, so that seems promising. |
| 12:20.54 | whislock | It is highly unlikely you have gnome if polkit is missing. |
| 12:21.01 | whislock | Simply install policykit-1. |
| 12:21.29 | ALowther | ratrace: No, I apparently, incorrectly, deduced that since you mentioned polkit is shipping with GNOME that since I am getting a polkit error then I have GNOME installed. |
| 12:22.02 | ALowther | whislock: I thought the error that I am getting is from polkit. |
| 12:22.04 | ratrace | ALowther: you have the OTHER way around: no polkit present |
| 12:22.05 | whislock | Attempting to manage services under a non-root context will cause systemd to attempt to authorize via polkit, as that is the only other avenue available. |
| 12:22.18 | ratrace | ALowther: or at least not enabled as as dbus-activated service for some reason |
| 12:22.19 | whislock | The error is from systemd not finding polkit. |
| 12:22.35 | ratrace | whislock: yes, we've been through that, pls re-read backlog :) |
| 12:22.56 | whislock | ratrace: You've been assuming gnome is installed the whole time. Backlog seems of little value. |
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| 12:23.14 | ratrace | whislock: because ALowther said they did |
| 12:23.14 | whislock | I'm not interested in walking back incorrect assumptions. I am only interested in the actual state and the actual solution. |
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| 12:23.44 | ratrace | I said from the start that the error means systemd wanted polkit. I never said anything about gnome being installed, ALowther assumed the other way around. |
| 12:24.06 | whislock | "ratrace | so if gnome is present, polkit should be too" |
| 12:24.09 | whislock | Moving on. |
| 12:24.20 | ratrace | the only incorrect assumption here is you thinking I'm having incorrect assumptions. so you're.... meta-incorrect about my assumptions ;) |
| 12:24.23 | whislock | ALowther: Install 'policykit-1' and there you go. |
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| 12:24.38 | ALowther | ratrace: whislock is correct. |
| 12:24.42 | ALowther | whislock: I understand now, thank you. |
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| 12:24.52 | whislock | ratrace: Mine was not an assumption. It was an observation. Take care. |
| 12:25.01 | ratrace | I can't believe this convo..... |
| 12:25.09 | whislock | ALowther: You're quite welcome. |
| 12:25.12 | ALowther | whislock: I don't want/need polkit, just wanted a better understanding of why such an abstract error message was presented when needing root priveleges. |
| 12:25.34 | whislock | Heh. That's not the first time I've heard that complaint in that particular circumstance. |
| 12:25.40 | ratrace | I never said gnome had to be installed, I was merely explaining what polkit was! And then ALowther said they had VPS with GNOME and I said okay, if GNOME is there, then polkit must be too. |
| 12:25.43 | whislock | "You're not root and I can't find polkit" would be better. |
| 12:25.56 | ALowther | ratrace: He's correct in understand that I've been interpreting this convo through a specific lens. I must have misunderstood your initial message. I thought you were saying that it was using polkit and polkit was providing that error. |
| 12:26.14 | ratrace | ALowther: no I specifically said that a dbus-activated polkit service was not found |
| 12:26.15 | earend1 | shh. |
| 12:26.36 | ratrace | ALowther: you assumed you had gnome because I explained what polkit was, that it came from the gnome/freedesktop camp. |
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| 12:27.09 | earend1 | is that dbus without polkit running wild and free? |
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| 12:30.19 | ratrace | The $1M question is... is dbus even running :) because it's not pulled in by base installation. |
| 12:30.31 | whislock | ALowther: The error itself originates from dbus. systemd can't authorize the action under root privileges, because you didn't execute the command under a root context. systemd tries to consult policykit via dbus. dbus can't find the policykit provider, throws that cryptic error, and fails to authorize the action. systemd then also gives a cryptic error. |
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| 12:30.59 | whislock | ALowther: If you wanted to know the full failure process. ;) |
| 12:31.09 | earend1 | is there any desktop/x-window environment not depending on dbus? |
| 12:31.48 | ALowther | ratrace: Yes, it's running. |
| 12:31.58 | ALowther | whislock: Yes, thank you :). |
| 12:32.04 | ratrace | earend1: probably not. though technically it's doable, I don't think it's by default in debian |
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| 12:33.48 | earend1 | i mean. i get it. there must me some interop bus .. and access control. is chmod not well? not as fancy? |
| 12:34.33 | earend1 | ratrace: if you say debian u don't mean any window thing. like openbox or lxde or so. just consoles. right? |
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| 12:34.39 | ratrace | earend1: polkit does way more than unix permissions, aka DAC. polkit is more like a MAC |
| 12:35.10 | ratrace | earend1: I meant I don't think debian packages that use dbus are built with no dep on dbus |
| 12:35.16 | ratrace | (by default) |
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| 12:42.20 | cm13g09 | hi all, Debian 10.1, radeon (Trinity) 7520G, and I seem to be unable to rotate the screen.... I get "xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed" using xrandr --output HDMI-0 --rotate left - Radeon drivers and firmware-linux-nonfree is loaded, just rotation seems to be unsupported. Any hints where to look? |
| 12:43.16 | cm13g09 | There's no obvious errors in any of the logs I'd usually check |
| 12:44.41 | diogenes_ | cm13g09, afaik iio-sensor-proxy.service is responsible for rotation, check and see if it's running. |
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| 12:47.07 | earend1 | k thanks for pointing out DAC/MAC todo read once upon a liftime updated |
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| 12:50.19 | earend1 | cm13g09: did u need to do some tweaking to make your radeon work with the firmware on buster? the good 'old' apt install xorg openbox & startx fails for me without non-free drivers.. and with non-free software the system crashes cold |
| 12:50.46 | earend1 | on debian 9 it worked nicely. with and without non-free firmware |
| 12:50.53 | earend1 | for me |
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| 12:53.00 | earend1 | the dbus dependency tatology |
| 12:53.06 | earend1 | tautology |
| 12:53.22 | earend1 | gute musik ist besser. |
| 12:53.38 | cm13g09 | earend1: I mean, I just installed non-free and it seems to "work" with no rotation |
| 12:53.55 | cm13g09 | Stretch worked fine with rotation |
| 12:53.58 | cm13g09 | which is the annoying bit |
| 12:54.16 | earend1 | yep. the dbus comments were r@trace |
| 12:54.41 | cm13g09 | I have considered installing the backports kernel as a test |
| 12:54.51 | earend1 | hm. can i use the debian 9 kernel with buster packages? |
| 12:54.55 | earend1 | ah |
| 12:55.05 | earend1 | look. how do we do that. |
| 12:55.14 | earend1 | im a noob. thanks in advance. |
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| 12:55.39 | cm13g09 | earend1: The general advice would be "don't use backports unless you know what you're doing" |
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| 12:57.39 | earend1 | how do i install an older kernel with buster. if possible. if you're not so sure, i appreciate your sincere attitude and eventual join in an adventorous researcxh |
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| 12:57.58 | cm13g09 | earend1: I don't think you easily can |
| 12:58.02 | earend1 | k |
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| 12:58.18 | BCMM | cm13g09: do you definitely have the right firmware loaded? have a look in dmesg and check that your driver is actually loading firmware |
| 12:59.48 | cm13g09 | BCMM: "direct-loading firmware" appears a bunch of times |
| 13:00.10 | BCMM | yup, that ought to be working then... |
| 13:00.16 | cm13g09 | Also, DRM reports "Found VCE firmware/feedback version 50.0.1 / 17" |
| 13:00.22 | cm13g09 | BCMM: Xorg itself works |
| 13:00.26 | cm13g09 | just not with rotation |
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| 13:00.37 | cm13g09 | If you try and rotate the screen it declares "nope" |
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| 13:01.46 | earend1 | eheh |
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| 13:15.12 | Ojd_ | hi, is there any way to add custom bash scripts to an ISO image so they run AFTER the ISO is installed, for example, in a VirtualBox machine? |
| 13:15.32 | karlpinc | earend1: There is a kernel handbook at debian.org. It is mostly for kernel developers but there's not-necessarly-easy-to-find instructions on how to compile your own kernel. You could compile an old kernel, but that could also break stuff that needs a newer kernel. |
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| 13:17.43 | karlpinc | earend1: You might also try diffing the kernel configs to see if there's something that's been turned off in the newer kernels. But before doing lots of work on anything I'd try to see if you can find out more about the problem. |
| 13:18.10 | BCMM | Ojd_: when do you want it to run? when the newly-installed system is booted? |
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| 13:20.19 | Ojd_ | yes, two examples: 1- I wantto add a git repo, so the idea would be that right after installation, the script simple clone the repo. |
| 13:21.14 | Ojd_ | 2- I have a script that should run once to configure several aspects of the system. I can copy the script to the ISO, but I haven't found a way to run it "post-installation" |
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| 13:21.33 | Ojd_ | (if I tried the typical hooks I got errors) |
| 13:22.04 | BCMM | Ojd_: create a package that installs a systemd unit perhaps? |
| 13:23.24 | karlpinc | Ojd_: You've looked at the debian installation manual? (Seems worth checking....) |
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| 13:42.22 | earend1 | thanks karl |
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| 13:43.08 | earend1 | ooh. not yet but will do |
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| 13:43.29 | earend1 | handbook sounds friendly. |
| 13:43.51 | ksk | !tell earend1 about handbook |
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| 13:50.37 | cm13g09 | BCMM: kernel from buster-backports works for xrandr |
| 13:51.13 | cm13g09 | Which means that somewhere between 4.19 and 5.2 it broke |
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| 13:51.19 | cm13g09 | ....got fixed even |
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| 13:53.44 | Ojd_ | karlpinc: I was reading this https://live-team.pages.debian.net/live-manual/html/live-manual/toc.en.html |
| 13:54.49 | Ojd_ | BCMM: that sound like a good idea, I would need to read how to crate packages but thanks |
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| 14:07.04 | tw | How do I make xdg-open run a desktop file instead of view the contents? |
| 14:08.11 | m92lk | I'm trying to use the built-in sort function to sort a dynamically allocated array but the program just reads in the first variable then terminates? https://wandbox.org/permlink/0PQdtkXGG6vKItEp |
| 14:08.43 | m92lk | oops sorry |
| 14:08.49 | m92lk | wrong channel |
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| 14:10.35 | tw | m92lk: needs cin in your loop so you can actually read the names. |
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| 14:13.32 | m92lk | tw: thanks, such an elementary mistake :( |
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| 14:28.05 | ws2k3 | how does ssh determine which ssh key to offer to a system when logging in? |
| 14:28.17 | greycat | It sends every key it can find. |
| 14:28.25 | greycat | The server says "this one, you can use this one". |
| 14:28.32 | ws2k3 | ur sure? |
| 14:28.57 | ws2k3 | greycat: cause i have i have an id_rsa.pub and a .pem file and i see it sends the pem file |
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| 14:30.25 | ksk | ws2k3: use "ssh -v" (or more v) to see which keys are offered in wich order |
| 14:30.28 | ratrace | ws2k3: pem is alphabetically first. rename it to xid_rsa.pub and observe ssh -v |
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| 14:32.07 | ws2k3 | ksk: ratrace it looks like it doesnt send my id_rsa.pub its not listed in the output |
| 14:32.46 | ksk | eh, .pub indicates a publickey, you would rather authenticate using the private part of the key. |
| 14:33.18 | ws2k3 | ksk: im not seeing id_rsa at all |
| 14:33.29 | greycat | If you use -v, it should say something like debug1: Will attempt key: /home/wooledg/.ssh/id_rsa RSA SHA256:... |
| 14:33.57 | ws2k3 | greycat: yes i did -v and it only shows my .pem file |
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| 14:34.01 | greycat | you *do* have the id_rsa (private key) file that matches the .pub file, right? |
| 14:34.08 | ws2k3 | yes |
| 14:34.28 | ws2k3 | id and id_rsa.pub are in my .ssh folder |
| 14:34.37 | ws2k3 | next to me .pem file and my config |
| 14:34.47 | greycat | "id"? |
| 14:35.15 | ws2k3 | what do you mean greycat? |
| 14:35.20 | greycat | Is the file named "id"? |
| 14:35.23 | ws2k3 | yes |
| 14:35.28 | greycat | That's why it's not used. NEXT! |
| 14:35.34 | ws2k3 | id.rsa and id_rsa.pub |
| 14:35.43 | ws2k3 | hmm what do you mean? |
| 14:35.45 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 14:35.50 | ws2k3 | cause ssh generated it by default this way ^^ |
| 14:35.58 | ksk | ws2k3: cmon, you are part of this channel for like what, years? :o |
| 14:36.07 | ksk | rename it id_rsa and have fun.. |
| 14:36.34 | ws2k3 | my apologies. its id_rsa and id_rsa.pub. |
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| 14:36.46 | ws2k3 | ksk: like 15 years now |
| 14:37.07 | ws2k3 | and i know people like greycat are here already for a long long loong time :P |
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| 14:37.17 | ksk | as the cat already plonked, and you are giving mixed signals, why not paste "ls .ssh" and ssh -v? :> (be aware of possible information leaks..) |
| 14:37.25 | flipbits | afternoon all... |
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| 14:37.48 | flipbits | having some issues with buster and nvidia, hoping someone might be able to shed soe light? |
| 14:38.06 | ksk | flipbits: did you checkout the debian wiki article about nvidia gpus already? |
| 14:38.14 | greycat | probably for the same reason it typed "ur sure" |
| 14:38.31 | flipbits | yep, i have read and tried pretty much everything in it |
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| 14:38.48 | flipbits | I have a GeForce 740 Nvidia card |
| 14:38.56 | flipbits | runs fine with the nouveau drivers |
| 14:39.22 | flipbits | nvidia-detect tells me the nvidia-driver package should work |
| 14:39.38 | flipbits | install this, no problems, but when I reboot, black screen :( |
| 14:39.55 | flipbits | looks like the nvidia module is failing to load |
| 14:40.02 | flipbits | secure boot disabled |
| 14:40.45 | flipbits | when in black screen and nouveau blacklisted, lshw shows the display as unclaimed, no driver associated with it |
| 14:41.26 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: ssh has a -v option that will give you details of the handshake process. You can increase the detail with more v's -vvv |
| 14:41.43 | ksk | jhutchins_wk: we already told him that like 3 times ;) |
| 14:42.02 | flipbits | for what it's worth, I originally had a GeForce 1600Ti which wouldn't load at all, doesn't look like the nouveau drivers could manage it |
| 14:42.09 | jelly | anything past a single -v is less than useful unless you know exactly what you're looking for |
| 14:43.09 | jhutchins_wk | ksk: Yeah, I see that. |
| 14:45.03 | ws2k3 | jhutchins_wk: yes i know. but that does not mention the id_rsa or id_rsa.pub file at all |
| 14:46.38 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: I don't know what you've done to end up here, but you can back up the files in .ssh, generate a new key, put it on the remote with ssh-copy-id |
| 14:47.07 | jhutchins_wk | If you've edited the ssh config files in /etc, revert those changes. |
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| 14:50.07 | bitflips | flipbits: log file error(s)? |
| 14:50.50 | flipbits | log file - not sure what all the relevant bits are, but... |
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| 14:53.30 | flipbits | e.g. nvidia: module verification failed: signature and/or required key missing - tainting kernel |
| 14:53.45 | flipbits | nvidia-persistenced: Failed to query NVIDIA devices. Please ensure that the NVIDIA device files (/dev/nvidia*) exist, and that user 116 has read and write permis$ |
| 14:54.05 | flipbits | systemd-modules-load[395]: modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia_current': Exec format error |
| 14:55.37 | peterandre | which folder does debian save sound recordings created with the sound recorder? |
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| 14:56.18 | ksk | peterandre: not sure what "the sound recorder" is, but somehwere inside your home directory most likely - take a look at the manpage maybe? |
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| 14:56.37 | peterandre | ksk, ok i will do that thanks |
| 14:57.12 | peterandre | oh yes how silly in home folder indeed stored in recordings |
| 14:57.16 | peterandre | thanks for the tip! |
| 14:58.15 | ksk | !next |
| 14:58.15 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 15:01.38 | netcrash | What can be causing increase in inode usage and after a while it get's solved, how to detect this ? |
| 15:02.19 | ksk | netcrash: afaik not too easy - find is your friend, but if there are indeed "many" files, it can take ages to count |
| 15:02.41 | ksk | not sure if you could some information about that via filesystem tools somehow.. |
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| 15:04.57 | ksk | "ls -l" also has a column for the number of hardlinks in a directory, if I remember correctly |
| 15:05.24 | greycat | It shows a hard link count for every file, including directories. |
| 15:05.29 | ksk | seems to be the third field from the right - but the ls manpage is not too helpful about explaining the colums - or I dont get it ;) |
| 15:05.59 | greycat | "after a while it gets solved" means the files are deleted after they're no longer in use, yes? |
| 15:06.10 | greycat | so what exactly is the problem? |
| 15:06.38 | ratrace | netcrash: monitor df -i |
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| 15:09.11 | aggelis | %c |
| 15:09.12 | dselect | See, or S-E-E. If you're too lazy to spell it out, we're too lazy to help you. |
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| 15:10.45 | netcrash | greycat: the problem is that I'm getting alerts of free inode usage "space" running out of. |
| 15:11.15 | greycat | OK, start with "df -i" or "df -i /something". |
| 15:11.15 | ksk | netcrash: soo, your problem is some "alert giving application" you did not configure correctly? ;) |
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| 15:11.48 | netcrash | zabbix is very alerty |
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| 15:11.55 | greycat | Until you tell us what file system this is, what file system *type* it is, and the actual number of inodes available and in use, it's hard to give any advice. |
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| 15:14.22 | netcrash | greycat: sorry |
| 15:14.24 | netcrash | Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on |
| 15:14.25 | netcrash | /dev/sda1 14057472 11226998 2830474 80% / |
| 15:14.30 | jelly | !paste |
| 15:14.31 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 15:15.12 | greycat | that truly is a *huge* number of files |
| 15:15.13 | jelly | netcrash: so you have 80% inodes used, and around 11M files and directories |
| 15:15.18 | ratrace | 11M inodes, where on earth did you consume that! :) |
| 15:15.37 | greycat | what does your computer do that opens 11 million files on the root file system? |
| 15:15.38 | jelly | the alert is warranted, I'd say |
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| 15:16.00 | netcrash | http://paste.debian.net/1103736/ |
| 15:16.13 | netcrash | it's a jenkins system |
| 15:16.30 | ksk | one approach I used was some bash which uses find for every level of directories, and outputted you the number of files. |
| 15:16.53 | ksk | as I said, it will of course take ages with that many inodes - depending on disk speed |
| 15:17.45 | jelly | netcrash: a jenkins system that never deletes any builds or tests or test results? |
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| 15:18.12 | netcrash | jelly: no idea on how jenkins behaves on tests and builds |
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| 15:18.24 | jelly | do you have an idea of what jenkins does? |
| 15:19.20 | jelly | (AFAIK all it does is builds and tests... it's a CI part of a CI/CD system) |
| 15:19.26 | netcrash | jelly: I know what it does, used years ago |
| 15:20.18 | greycat | are you bulding something large enough to create millions of files during its build? |
| 15:20.23 | netcrash | I'll ask the guy who uses jenkins on what he does |
| 15:20.44 | netcrash | greycat: I'm going to ask the dev. |
| 15:21.22 | netcrash | thank you all for the help |
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| 15:21.30 | jelly | it's likely they never set up deleting any old stuff, retention "forever" |
| 15:21.56 | greycat | 11:01 netcrash> What can be causing increase in inode usage and after a while it get's solved, how to detect this ? |
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| 15:22.09 | jelly | oh, missed that |
| 15:22.33 | jelly | but if it gets increased from 78% to 80% and back... |
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| 15:23.14 | greycat | More information would definitely help. He could set up a script to run "df -i" every 5 minutes and log it to a file. Or he could just manually run it once before jenkins starts, once while jenkins is building something, and once after jenkins is done. |
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| 15:42.21 | netcrash | he wasn't deleting the old builds |
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| 15:53.45 | netcrash | Will mariadb have something like timescaledb in it? |
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| 16:02.31 | jelly | netcrash: that's probably a great question for #maria |
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| 16:06.58 | jhutchins_wk | Good quote from the mailing lists: "Design a system any fool can use, and only a fool will want to use it." |
| 16:07.37 | jhutchins_wk | netcrash: What is timescaledb, where is it found, and what is it used for? |
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| 16:36.31 | kreyren | Looking for new mirror for https://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/libr/libreoffice/fonts-opensymbol_102.10+LibO6.1.5-3+deb10u3_all.deb |
| 16:37.15 | kreyren | found https://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/libr/libreoffice/fonts-opensymbol_102.10+LibO6.1.5-3+deb10u4_all.deb |
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| 16:46.00 | petn-randall | ,v fonts-opensymbol |
| 16:46.01 | judd | Package: fonts-opensymbol on amd64 -- jessie: 2:102.6+LibO4.3.3-2+deb8u11; jessie-security: 2:102.6+LibO4.3.3-2+deb8u12; stretch: 2:102.7+LibO5.2.7-1+deb9u10; stretch-proposed-updates: 2:102.7+LibO5.2.7-1+deb9u11; stretch-security: 2:102.7+LibO5.2.7-1+deb9u11; buster: 2:102.10+LibO6.1.5-3+deb10u3; stretch-backports: 2:102.10+LibO6.1.5-3+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster-proposed-updates: |
| 16:46.02 | judd | 2:102.10+LibO6.1.5-3+deb10u4; buster-security: 2:102.10+LibO6.1.5-3+deb10u4; buster-backports: 2:102.11+LibO6.3.2-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2:102.11+LibO6.3.2-1; sid: 2:102.11+LibO6.3.2-1 |
| 16:46.45 | petn-randall | kreyren: Why are you downloading deb files by hand? |
| 16:47.30 | kreyren | petn-randall, https://github.com/Winetricks/winetricks/pull/1358 |
| 16:47.47 | kreyren | is just updating mirror in current logic |
| 16:47.53 | kreyren | or is there better way to get this font? |
| 16:48.32 | kreyren | i guess by using https://www.fontpalace.com/font-download/OpenSymbol/ |
| 16:48.53 | greycat | ahhh, fonts-opensymbol is part of libreoffice. |
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| 16:49.18 | greycat | that's how a font package can have 4 security updates |
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| 17:01.26 | SerajewelKS | does luks with an external header give exactly the same amount of disk space as the underlying device? |
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| 17:02.50 | SerajewelKS | i have disks with /boot and / mirrored, and / is in LVM. considering adding a LUKS layer between the mirror and the LVM PV. |
| 17:03.08 | SerajewelKS | if i put the LUKS header on /boot then in theory i won't have to shrink the / volume? |
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| 17:13.45 | sleezio | hi, trying to install dxvk...these instructions state that dxvk is in the 'main' repo for debian, but apt-get doesn't see it |
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| 17:14.37 | diogenes_ | v, dxvk |
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| 17:14.59 | diogenes_ | v. dxvk |
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| 17:16.55 | sleezio | diogenes_, not sure what you mean by v. dxvk |
| 17:17.47 | diogenes_ | sleezio, the bot should have shown the available packages with that name but it seems to not wanting to listen to me. |
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| 17:18.50 | diogenes_ | sleezio, https://packages.debian.org/search?mode=exactfilename&suite=buster§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=dxvk |
| 17:19.03 | diogenes_ | it's for wine. |
| 17:19.35 | sleezio | yes, but i see ti's for buster, i'm on stretch |
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| 17:20.29 | diogenes_ | sleezio, if you installe winehq then it should be available in winetricks. |
| 17:20.47 | diogenes_ | you need to add winehq repo in the sources.list. |
| 17:21.28 | diogenes_ | sleezio, much easier is to use playonlinux and pick the latest wine version from there. |
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| 17:23.04 | sleezio | i'll try, thanks |
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| 17:24.49 | diogenes_ | sleezio, but you need a vulkan capable card and driver. |
| 17:25.13 | petn-randall | kreyren: Hardcoding the package version is not a good concept. It will change with time. |
| 17:25.15 | sleezio | how can i tell if nvidia driver 390 is capable? |
| 17:25.17 | petn-randall | !apt mirror |
| 17:25.25 | petn-randall | !buster mirror |
| 17:25.35 | petn-randall | dpkg: are you alive? |
| 17:25.36 | dpkg | petn-randall: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 17:25.42 | kreyren | petn-randall, what do you recommend then? I'm unable to find other mirror |
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| 17:25.58 | kreyren | to clarify: there a lots of mirrors but the font is different |
| 17:26.37 | petn-randall | !buster sources.list |
| 17:26.37 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 17:26.41 | petn-randall | kreyren: ^^^ |
| 17:26.58 | petn-randall | kreyren: And you still should be using apt, and not downloading packages manually. |
| 17:27.06 | diogenes_ | sleezio, if you use nvidia proprietary driver then you're ok, if nouvea then it doesn't support vulkan yet. |
| 17:27.31 | kreyren | petn-randall, it's for usage in winetricks which is expected to work on non-debian too |
| 17:27.35 | petn-randall | kreyren: If you need to download a package, there's `apt download` for that, which also takes care of verification. |
| 17:27.37 | kreyren | so using apt is not an option for this usecase |
| 17:28.12 | kreyren | but that is probably offtopic here |
| 17:28.17 | petn-randall | kreyren: Well, you're not verifying the package in any way, and a compromised mirror might compromise your system that way. |
| 17:28.19 | sleezio | i had dxvk running on xubuntu, just installed debian the other day, trying to get it back going for games...so i know the card can handle it, i *think* my driver on xubuntu was 4xx...i see debian prefered 390 |
| 17:29.08 | kreyren | petn-randall, it has checksum in a logic |
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| 17:31.24 | petn-randall | kreyren: Ah, ok then. |
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| 17:32.37 | nine09 | i was gonna ask a question but i figured it out. |
| 17:32.46 | nine09 | however it kind of led to a new question. |
| 17:32.47 | petn-randall | Glad we could help. :) |
| 17:32.57 | nine09 | haha :) |
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| 17:33.43 | nine09 | usually when I run a command that requires root, i get the typical error "must be root, etc"; however when I tried to run usermod as a regular user it said the command didn't exist. |
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| 17:33.53 | nine09 | working as intended? |
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| 17:35.16 | petn-randall | nine09: Yes, that's actually the default. |
| 17:35.20 | diogenes_ | nine09, yes, it won't find because of the path, if the program is in /usr/sbin then you need sudo. |
| 17:36.04 | petn-randall | nine09: AS diogenes_ said, most tools requiring root are in /sbin/ or /usr/sbin/, both which aren't in a normal user's $PATH. |
| 17:36.26 | nine09 | ah ok |
| 17:36.35 | nine09 | no sudo here, running debian |
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| 17:37.08 | SerajewelKS | sudo is not installed by default |
| 17:37.42 | greycat | you can add /usr/sbin and /sbin to your $PATH if you wish |
| 17:38.02 | greycat | the commands that actually require root privileges will give you interesting error messages if you try to run them |
| 17:38.22 | nine09 | as long as they still prompt for elevation |
| 17:38.29 | diogenes_ | nine09, if during install you don't specify a root account, then it will install with udual sudo. |
| 17:38.36 | diogenes_ | usual* |
| 17:38.41 | nine09 | ah cool |
| 17:38.49 | sleezio | diogenes_, i got it working without playonlinux, thanks for the help |
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| 17:39.06 | diogenes_ | sleezio, cool, you'ew welcome. |
| 17:39.13 | diogenes_ | you're* |
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| 17:40.24 | B|ack0p | hi |
| 17:40.36 | B|ack0p | i just installed debian without graphics and no network |
| 17:40.40 | B|ack0p | i am on commandline |
| 17:40.47 | B|ack0p | but doesnt connected to internet |
| 17:40.57 | B|ack0p | i plugged ethernet but still no connection |
| 17:41.04 | B|ack0p | i am on another machine at the moment |
| 17:41.13 | B|ack0p | how can i get connection to debian command line? |
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| 17:42.29 | petn-randall | B|ack0p: How did you set up the network connection? |
| 17:42.47 | B|ack0p | petn-randall: my debian image was small netinst |
| 17:42.55 | B|ack0p | it didnt install network driver |
| 17:42.59 | B|ack0p | intel wifi link 5100 |
| 17:43.07 | B|ack0p | installed without desktop |
| 17:43.08 | petn-randall | B|ack0p: If you didn't set up the network, it won't be there. |
| 17:43.22 | B|ack0p | well i dont know how to set it |
| 17:43.26 | petn-randall | B|ack0p: You can either use ifupdown, or network-manager for that. It won't happen automatically on a minimal install. |
| 17:43.30 | petn-randall | !ifupdown |
| 17:43.31 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 17:43.33 | B|ack0p | i am logged in tty1 now |
| 17:43.46 | petn-randall | B|ack0p: ^^^ This should get you started. |
| 17:43.51 | tw | might need nonfree blob with that adapter. |
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| 17:44.06 | petn-randall | B|ack0p: Oh, wifi I'd rather use network-manager for that. |
| 17:44.11 | B|ack0p | i thought i can connect from ethernet and set wifi later |
| 17:44.18 | petn-randall | And yes, you'll need non-free firmware for it to work. |
| 17:44.27 | B|ack0p | but when i plug ethernet cable it doesnt connect anything |
| 17:44.42 | diogenes_ | ethernet should work automatically but make sure /etc/resolv.conf is polulated. |
| 17:44.50 | petn-randall | B|ack0p: Right. But you asked for wifi first. Ethernet would be the way to go for now. |
| 17:45.02 | tw | B|ack0p: Honestly, it's probably faster to reinstall with a network cable plugged in because you didn't install a *whole* lot of packages due to network being unavailable. |
| 17:45.09 | B|ack0p | i tried to install irssi on there but didnt happen |
| 17:45.31 | B|ack0p | tw: so while installing debian should i connect to ethernet? |
| 17:45.42 | tw | If you're installing from netinst, yes. |
| 17:45.53 | B|ack0p | hmm |
| 17:45.56 | B|ack0p | ok let me try |
| 17:46.03 | petn-randall | B|ack0p: You can either use the Debian images, or the internet. If you use the network installer, you'll need network, yes. |
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| 17:46.40 | B|ack0p | well |
| 17:46.47 | B|ack0p | there were a lot of dvd images |
| 17:46.49 | B|ack0p | 3? |
| 17:47.00 | B|ack0p | it is not possible to download all of them in short time |
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| 17:47.12 | B|ack0p | does it take long installing if i connect to internet? |
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| 17:47.42 | nine09 | if you can use bittorrent it'll be fast |
| 17:48.36 | B|ack0p | well i will connect to internet while installing |
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| 17:49.21 | B|ack0p | what can i do if i install it without desktop? |
| 17:51.00 | petn-randall | B|ack0p: If you can connect your machine to the internet, using the network installer and letting that download just the packages you need is the most efficient way. |
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| 17:51.17 | tw | B|ack0p: server stuff, usually. If you have a monitor and keyboard plugged in, I'd recommend some kind of graphical interface, especially if this is your first experience with linux. |
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| 17:52.17 | lnslbrty | Hey all, I have a serious problem regarding the upgrade to debian10. Something went horribly wrong and I do not know how to fix that. |
| 17:52.17 | lnslbrty | I ran apt (update|upgrade|dist-upgrade) successfully. After the dist-upgrade succeeded, apt and aptitude started to show me that there are 1344 packages updateable but it can't update the packages since they are broken... |
| 17:52.17 | lnslbrty | This should not happen, right? Any hints how to solve this issue? |
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| 17:52.25 | B|ack0p | tw: not first time but i dont have enough knowledge |
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| 17:52.35 | B|ack0p | i have another machine installed ubuntu |
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| 17:53.12 | Eightynine | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.14 | nine09 | just fulscreen the terminal? So it's like working w/o GUI |
| 17:53.30 | B|ack0p | lol yes |
| 17:53.41 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 17:53.42 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 17:53.51 | petn-randall | lnslbrty: Can you provide all the info above in a single paste? ^^^ |
| 17:54.02 | lnslbrty | petn-randall: will do |
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| 17:57.37 | lnslbrty | petn-randall: https://paste.debian.net/1103779/ |
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| 17:59.41 | Guest43662 | pkexec its such a pain |
| 17:59.52 | Guest43662 | pkexec pcmanfm gives cannot open display |
| 18:01.10 | petn-randall | lnslbrty: Check the factoid again, seems like you missed most parts. |
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| 18:02.03 | petn-randall | lnslbrty: Also, that's expected with `apt upgrade`, since it doesn't install or remove any packages. That's why you need to run `apt dist-upgrade`, which is the interesting command. |
| 18:02.05 | lnslbrty | petn-randall: apt-cache for every packet will generate a lot of output |
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| 18:02.50 | petn-randall | lnslbrty: I'd rather see the output of `apt dist-upgrade`, and the `apt-cache policy $foo` of those packages it complains about (which should only be a few). |
| 18:03.05 | petn-randall | Don't forget `apt-cache policy` (without further parameters), too. |
| 18:03.24 | OS-57466 | !10.11.1.133 |
| 18:03.24 | dpkg | 10.11 |
| 18:04.06 | petn-randall | OS-57466: Do you need help? |
| 18:06.20 | OS-57466 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.22 | Guest43662 | any alternative to gcolor2 ? |
| 18:06.23 | diogenes_ | Guest43662, pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY /usr/bin/pcmanfm |
| 18:06.55 | petn-randall | OS-57466: I think you're lost. This is a Debian support channel. |
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| 18:07.09 | petn-randall | OS-57466: Maybe look on your local network? |
| 18:08.18 | Guest43662 | diogenes_, this work but i also have to put in openbox menu |
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| 18:09.02 | diogenes_ | Guest43662, ypu can write your own policy for any app so it will open with plexec aooname. |
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| 18:09.09 | diogenes_ | pkexec* |
| 18:11.36 | lnslbrty | petn-randall: https://paste.debian.net/1103780/ |
| 18:12.02 | lnslbrty | petn-randall: libapt-pkg5.0 causes the issue O_o |
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| 18:21.28 | kale | do you guys know of a description of how to store ripped CD's. I'm thinking directory structure, coverart etc. in a way that media players pick up the art? |
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| 18:22.40 | jhutchins_wk | Eightynine: It could be the mouse. Is the console responsive? |
| 18:22.54 | EmleyMoor | kale: never seen it formally written down, but rippers like abcde do a good structure |
| 18:22.58 | jhutchins_wk | Eightynine: Keyboard shortcuts? |
| 18:23.01 | kale | is there some well defined way to do this or is it different from player to player? |
| 18:23.48 | nexgen | hello |
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| 18:24.23 | greycat | kale: most of them don't care how the files are laid out -- they just suck all the metadata (id3 tags, etc.) out of the files and store it in a database |
| 18:24.37 | Guest43662 | you guys should bring back gcolor2 and leafpad |
| 18:24.54 | kale | greycat: what about coverart, do they just pick up .jpg and.pngs found? |
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| 18:25.46 | greycat | If you buy an MP3 from an actual copyright holder, the MP3 file usually has some sort of .jpg embedded inside it. |
| 18:26.07 | kale | greycat: hmm... guess lame could do that too |
| 18:26.13 | greycat | I've never attempted to make one like that myself, though I guess it's possible somehow. |
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| 18:26.55 | kale | hmm nothing in lame manpage |
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| 18:28.11 | kale | oh "lame --ti" would do it, im gonna test this :-) |
| 18:28.49 | kale | not in manpage though |
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| 18:30.09 | greycat | I would assume you don't use lame for this. Some googling suggests ffmpeg could do it, possibly. |
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| 18:32.13 | Eightynine | Yes, console is working but with weird artifacts. |
| 18:32.37 | kale | and there are perl libs for musicbrainz, looks like i only have to make a small tweak to my old cd ripper script. |
| 18:32.50 | Eightynine | No, interface doesn't respond at all until I restart SDDM and login again. |
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| 18:49.01 | Guest43662 | diogenes_, wow you can create gksudo this way |
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| 18:50.31 | petn-randall | lnslbrty: You're still missing `apt-cache policy`. |
| 18:50.57 | humpled | Guest43662: pkexec has replaced gksudo |
| 18:50.58 | lnslbrty | petn-randall: got it solved, thx for your help <3 |
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| 18:51.57 | lnslbrty | petn-randall: apt-cache is pretty sweet |
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| 18:53.54 | Guest43662 | humpled, i know but it's a lot bugged |
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| 18:59.06 | petn-randall | lnslbrty: What was the issue? |
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| 19:01.28 | Zathras | anyone aware of any plans (is there is wiki/webpage where this administrated?) to backport Redmine to Buster? |
| 19:02.14 | nkuttler | ,v redmine |
| 19:02.15 | judd | Package: redmine on amd64 -- stretch: 3.3.1-4+deb9u2; stretch-security: 3.3.1-4+deb9u2; bullseye: 4.0.4-3; sid: 4.0.4-3 |
| 19:02.40 | greycat | ,info redmine --release bullseye |
| 19:02.41 | judd | Package redmine (web, optional) in bullseye/amd64: flexible project management web application. Version: 4.0.4-3; Size: 1136.2k; Installed: 8924k; Homepage: https://www.redmine.org; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/redmine |
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| 19:02.57 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport redmine |
| 19:02.58 | judd | Backporting package redmine in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12), ruby-rouge (>= 3.7.0). |
| 19:03.26 | Zathras | ah. outch |
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| 19:03.55 | Zathras | thanks. Pitty |
| 19:04.01 | nkuttler | debphelper shouldn't be a too big problem i guess, but no idea about ruby |
| 19:04.30 | Zathras | most backported ruby packages atm seem to be handled by a single person |
| 19:04.47 | jhutchins_wk | . |
| 19:05.02 | nkuttler | fwiw, if ruby has its own packaging system, i would just see if you can install ruby with the packaged ruby version.. |
| 19:05.11 | nkuttler | install redmine |
| 19:05.41 | Zathras | true. Personally I hate alternative package systems. Makes systems messy |
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| 19:06.04 | nkuttler | depends on your needs i guess |
| 19:06.17 | nkuttler | i don't mind installing stuff from other sources that is user space only |
| 19:06.36 | nkuttler | (and doesn't affect users who don't use it) |
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| 19:07.19 | Zathras | ah. Informative: https://ftp-master.debian.org/backports-new.html |
| 19:07.49 | Zathras | Pirate Praveen was/is the person I referred to |
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| 19:19.05 | slee | hi again, when i go to settings > mouse > devices: i choose my mouse from the drop down menu, then hit close, but when i go back to same setting, it has my mouse back at MosArt M32 00500 Usb K+M Mouse....why isn't it remembering my mouse device? |
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| 19:20.12 | slee | nm. i think i got it |
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| 19:31.33 | petn-randall | slee: Which DE are you using? |
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| 19:56.27 | B|ack0p | hi |
| 19:56.33 | B|ack0p | just installed debian with graphics |
| 19:56.49 | B|ack0p | how can i be sure if wifi driver is installed? |
| 19:57.01 | B|ack0p | probably not installed as it is non-free driver |
| 19:57.10 | B|ack0p | i am connected via ethernet cable now |
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| 19:57.41 | jhutchins_wk | B|ack0p: THere's probably a network icon in your taskbar. |
| 19:57.53 | B|ack0p | when i check settings Network there is no wifi |
| 19:57.56 | somiaj | B|ack0p: what wifi chipset do you have? |
| 19:57.56 | B|ack0p | only wired |
| 19:58.03 | B|ack0p | intel wifi link 5100 |
| 19:58.11 | somiaj | B|ack0p: the wifi driver is probablay installed, but you most likely need the non-free firmware |
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| 19:58.18 | B|ack0p | probably |
| 19:58.23 | jhutchins_wk | B|ack0p: That makes sense if you haven't set it up yet. |
| 19:58.25 | B|ack0p | so how can i install non free? |
| 19:58.36 | somiaj | B|ack0p: 'dmesg | grep -i firmware' will let you know of errors loading firmware, you most likely need the firmware-iwlwifi package from non-free for that intel card |
| 19:58.38 | jhutchins_wk | Intell doesn't usually need firmware. |
| 19:58.52 | somiaj | their wifi almost always does |
| 19:59.04 | jhutchins_wk | Mine hasn't. ymmv |
| 19:59.04 | greycat | their video chipsets typically do as well, for modesetting |
| 19:59.15 | greycat | at least the relatively recent ones |
| 19:59.21 | B|ack0p | ~$ dmesg | grep -i firmwaredmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted |
| 19:59.31 | greycat | as root. |
| 19:59.35 | B|ack0p | ok |
| 19:59.40 | somiaj | I think there are various (at least in the US) FCC laws around wifi requing corps like intel to keep some pieces closed, hence that is what the firmware is for. |
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| 19:59.56 | B|ack0p | user is not sudoer |
| 20:00.00 | jhutchins_wk | B|ack0p: Most changes that will affect the whole system/all users will be done as root. |
| 20:00.05 | greycat | use su, then |
| 20:00.10 | somiaj | mostly around power and frequency settings |
| 20:00.16 | jhutchins_wk | su - |
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| 20:00.55 | somiaj | I think it is annoying dmesg dosn't work as a normal user anymore, but I guess there are security concerns by a normal user being able to snoop hardware/drivers/kernel info |
| 20:01.04 | B|ack0p | ok this is dmesg: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gnztNVWmvz/ |
| 20:01.45 | somiaj | B|ack0p: yea, firware for the iwlwifi driver is nto present, install firmware-iwlwifi from non-free for that card |
| 20:01.58 | B|ack0p | how to install? |
| 20:02.17 | jhutchins_wk | !iwlwifi |
| 20:02.18 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices and troubleshooting hints are listed at https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>, <iwl7000>. |
| 20:02.24 | somiaj | !non-free |
| 20:02.24 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. |
| 20:02.32 | somiaj | !non-free sources |
| 20:02.32 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
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| 20:02.46 | somiaj | B|ack0p: ^^ add non-free sources, then 'apt install firmware-iwlwifi' |
| 20:02.49 | somiaj | (well apt update first too) |
| 20:03.47 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: What's the New User Guide? |
| 20:03.55 | jhutchins_wk | s/what/where |
| 20:04.22 | Ankman | B|ack0p: another way is to call /sbin/ifconfig -a and see if a WIFI device shows up |
| 20:04.41 | somiaj | new user guide? Not ringing a bell. |
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| 20:04.57 | somiaj | !debian handbook |
| 20:04.57 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 20:05.01 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: ^^ that? |
| 20:05.02 | Ankman | if it shows up without "-a" it's already initilized |
| 20:05.11 | greycat | still says Jessie in the title :-/ |
| 20:05.27 | somiaj | Ankman: 'ip a' is probably better these days |
| 20:05.44 | somiaj | greycat: yea, handbook is good, but it needs updated. |
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| 20:05.57 | somiaj | it is still mostly relvent, only a few thinsg that probably need updated. |
| 20:06.16 | Ankman | somiaj: yes, but i not dealt much with "ip" and am more familiar with ifconfig :-) |
| 20:06.45 | B|ack0p | how to insert this? # modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi |
| 20:06.46 | somiaj | Ankman: yup, just pointing out, as we slowly move away from the depericated tools.. |
| 20:06.52 | Ankman | :-) |
| 20:07.00 | somiaj | B|ack0p: that works, or you can reboot if you like the windows delima |
| 20:07.10 | B|ack0p | let me reboot then |
| 20:07.26 | Ankman | there should be no reboot necessary... |
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| 20:08.00 | Ankman | it's linux not a freaking windows... ;-) |
| 20:08.15 | somiaj | nope, B|ack0p modeprobe command would have worked, but with many users suggestion a reboot is far easier. "Have you turend it off and back on again?" |
| 20:08.16 | B|ack0p | how will i find out if non free firmware installed properly? |
| 20:08.18 | jhutchins_wk | Ankman: How, then, do you go about loading firmware? |
| 20:08.20 | annadane | well, for firmware installation you probably should reboot |
| 20:08.29 | B|ack0p | somiaj it gave error |
| 20:08.35 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: removing the module, reloading it should work |
| 20:08.50 | Ankman | somiaj: i see you like the series The IT Crowd :-) so do i |
| 20:08.50 | somiaj | B|ack0p: what error? that 'dmesg | grep -i firmware' should let you know if it was loaded or not |
| 20:08.55 | B|ack0p | bash: modprobe: command not found |
| 20:09.04 | Ankman | B|ack0p: be root |
| 20:09.08 | B|ack0p | i am root |
| 20:09.12 | annadane | it won't be loaded if the user didn't reboot |
| 20:09.13 | Ankman | wow! |
| 20:09.16 | somiaj | !su buster |
| 20:09.24 | annadane | what error does it give you specifically, post your output |
| 20:09.27 | annadane | paste.debian.net |
| 20:09.27 | somiaj | B|ack0p: you need to use 'su -' not 'su' when becoming root to get a full enviroment. |
| 20:09.32 | greycat | !buster su |
| 20:09.33 | dpkg | To start an interactive session with <su>, you should use "su -l" or "su -"; this has always been the case, but is now enforced in Debian 10 'buster', where the PATH is no longer reset in non-interactive sessions. Alternatively, you can ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for workarounds. |
| 20:09.39 | B|ack0p | i am already su |
| 20:09.41 | B|ack0p | i am root |
| 20:09.44 | somiaj | greycat: my poor dyslixia |
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| 20:09.50 | greycat | Gods, people besmirching perfectly good factoids. |
| 20:09.52 | B|ack0p | ok |
| 20:09.52 | annadane | oh, modprobe. i can't read, sorry |
| 20:10.01 | somiaj | B|ack0p: notice the subtle differnce between using 'su -' and 'su' |
| 20:10.05 | greycat | The fucking red hat culture is going to win, because there are so damned *many* of them. |
| 20:10.19 | Ankman | can't believe modprobe is not available as root. that would f**k up the whole system |
| 20:10.23 | B|ack0p | ok done now |
| 20:10.25 | B|ack0p | no error |
| 20:10.42 | somiaj | Ankman: its because of 'su' vs 'su -', and having a full root enviorment (PATH variable) |
| 20:10.43 | jhutchins_wk | B|ack0p: Now you will need to configure the connection. |
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| 20:11.01 | greycat | Do I even want to *bother*? :( :( |
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| 20:11.30 | Ankman | B|ack0p: see if "ip a" lists the device |
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| 20:13.00 | Ankman | if you have the NetworkManager installed you should see an icon on your desktop. click it and selct to connect. find your WIFI and click it. provide you password and you should be online |
| 20:13.01 | B|ack0p62 | back on wifi ! |
| 20:13.03 | B|ack0p62 | thx a lot |
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| 20:13.10 | Ankman | nice to hear |
| 20:13.23 | B|ack0p62 | in dmesg i saw Broadcom Bluetooth also needed firmware i guess |
| 20:14.00 | greycat | generally it's a good idea to supply whatever firmware files it wants, just in case you ever use that device in the future |
| 20:14.04 | Ankman | most likely |
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| 20:16.10 | B|ack0p62 | this is my full dmesg: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YkSqW77bmj/ |
| 20:18.16 | B|ack0p62 | what about adding non-free all of the items in sources.list? |
| 20:18.26 | greycat | add contrib, too |
| 20:18.28 | B|ack0p62 | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8t9rXShwp7/ |
| 20:19.00 | Zathras | I am trying to resolve an issue with 'dehydrated'. Do not get errors/loginfo, so how do you get a similar extensive output like this? https://github.com/lukas2511/dehydrated/issues/674 |
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| 20:19.10 | somiaj | B|ack0p62: line 11 is a repeate of lines 1 and 2, remove line 11, and replace 'main' with 'main contrib non-free' on all the sources there. |
| 20:19.20 | greycat | why do you not get errors/loginfo? |
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| 20:19.30 | greycat | Mine is set up to log to a file, I believe... |
| 20:19.32 | somiaj | B|ack0p62: also why did you use stretch and not buster, you may have the stretch firmware, and should update to the version in buster. |
| 20:19.44 | B|ack0p62 | hmmm |
| 20:19.52 | B|ack0p62 | i pasted what is written in the link |
| 20:19.58 | B|ack0p62 | can i change now? |
| 20:19.59 | Zathras | greycat, no idea how to do that. The original does not support logging afaik |
| 20:20.13 | greycat | 6 23 * * * root dehydrated -c >> /var/log/dehydrated 2>&1 |
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| 20:20.33 | Zathras | and I did not see anything in messages or syslog |
| 20:20.52 | greycat | Check root's mail, then, if you are using crontab to run it. |
| 20:20.52 | Zathras | I am currently testing from commandline. not yet in cron |
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| 20:21.24 | somiaj | B|ack0p62: yes, I would do the changes I suggested to your sources.list, remove line 11, replace 'main' with 'main contrib non-free' |
| 20:21.48 | B|ack0p62 | somiaj thx i will do that |
| 20:23.43 | B|ack0p62 | connection is very slow :S |
| 20:24.59 | Zathras | I get the same output: names of the config files being parsed and that is about it |
| 20:25.31 | Zathras | The output in the link I gave is way much more verbose |
| 20:25.45 | B|ack0p62 | i am having keyboard and mouse lags |
| 20:25.57 | B|ack0p62 | is it because of gnome or what? |
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| 20:29.02 | somiaj | That seems odd, I would start by running 'top'. Is some process eating up all your resources? |
| 20:29.50 | Zathras | wireless/bt keyboard/mouse and running out of battery? |
| 20:31.45 | B|ack0p62 | web content |
| 20:31.48 | Zathras | my issue with dehydrated is that I cannot revoke or renew certs so it seems. However I do not get errors |
| 20:31.49 | B|ack0p62 | gnome shell |
| 20:31.53 | B|ack0p62 | pulseaudio |
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| 20:32.13 | B|ack0p62 | gnome shell number 1 |
| 20:33.35 | B|ack0p62 | i installed every desktops and i can see everything installed 3 times :p |
| 20:33.40 | jhutchins_wk | B|ack0p62: Don't tell us, figure it out. What's using resources? Is it using a lot? Is the CPU load high? Is the amount of swap varying? |
| 20:34.11 | B|ack0p62 | well i can say it is running more heavy than ubuntu.. |
| 20:34.24 | somiaj | io traffice can also cause lots of lags if things are waiting for the io bus, system sometimes comes to a halt or lags. |
| 20:35.08 | B|ack0p62 | i will test other desktops |
| 20:35.09 | B|ack0p62 | bbl |
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| 20:36.08 | jhutchins_wk | Really more suited to Ubuntu. Ubuntu is proof of what happens when you do too much for the user and don't tell them or make them learn anything. |
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| 20:37.25 | somiaj | I almost wonder if it is a gpu missing firmware for full kms/compostor support. |
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| 20:37.37 | somiaj | was gonna suggest checking graphics driver next |
| 20:39.01 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: If the display works, normal usage shouldn't lag because of that. That would affect things like games and movies. |
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| 20:39.36 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: one would think, but gnome-shell uses a compositor, which does often use some sort of gpu acceleration. |
| 20:39.42 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: With graphics drivers, you usually either get the blinking cursor, VESA resolution, or it works. |
| 20:39.56 | somiaj | kde plasma is another, it will lag if you don't have the kms driver loaded propertly. |
| 20:40.03 | somiaj | xfce/lxde/mate, these won't matter |
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| 20:40.28 | B|ack0p | every desktop runs faster except gnome |
| 20:40.39 | B|ack0p | even gnome classic a bit laggy comparing others |
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| 20:40.51 | somiaj | B|ack0p: what graphics card do you have. You may not have the firmware/driver setup for full accelration support. |
| 20:40.55 | jhutchins_wk | Oh, yeh, well if you have cube switching and JIGGLY WINDOWS!!! it will. |
| 20:41.04 | B|ack0p | somiaj: ah might be. it is intel also |
| 20:41.09 | B|ack0p | i have old Thinkpad x61s |
| 20:41.12 | B|ack0p | with L7500 cpu |
| 20:41.17 | B|ack0p | intel gpu x3100 something |
| 20:41.26 | somiaj | greycat mentioned you might need firmware for some intel cards, I'm not that familar with them, so unsure what package would be useful. |
| 20:41.51 | towo` | skylake and later needs firmware |
| 20:42.17 | B|ack0p | is there any driver can i use for intel gpu? |
| 20:42.18 | somiaj | I see some firmware for various intel devices in firmware-misc-nonfree package. |
| 20:42.30 | B|ack0p | somiaj: how to install? |
| 20:42.39 | towo` | x1300 is not skylake or later |
| 20:42.46 | greycat | usually I look at the actual firmware filenames that dmesg says it's missing, then use judd or packages.debian.org to find out what pkg has those files |
| 20:42.47 | jhutchins_wk | B|ack0p: More than one depending on what chipset. |
| 20:42.48 | B|ack0p | x3100 probably |
| 20:42.51 | towo` | this gpu does not need firmware |
| 20:43.04 | somiaj | B|ack0p: maybe the laptop is just too old for some of these modern desktops, use xfce or lxde would be my sugestion. |
| 20:43.18 | greycat | yeah, if it's an "older" intel, it won't need firmware |
| 20:43.20 | B|ack0p | here is the specs of my laptop: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X61s |
| 20:43.45 | B|ack0p | somiaj: well everybody told same for my Thinkpad T60 but this is newer than it :/ |
| 20:44.00 | B|ack0p | linux suppose to support old devices better than windows |
| 20:44.08 | towo` | it does |
| 20:44.23 | B|ack0p | but i had many problems with my 2006 model thinkpad and now this |
| 20:44.29 | towo` | but then you have to use moderate desktops, not heavywight ones |
| 20:44.44 | B|ack0p | i am on gnome classic now |
| 20:44.48 | somiaj | It does, you aren't forced to use the biggest/flashist destkops. But gnome-shell and kde-plasma are very resource intensive, sometimes even more so than windows, so using another desktop would be my suggestion. |
| 20:45.11 | somiaj | B|ack0p: many like mate, it is a fork of the old gnome2 for those who like gnome. |
| 20:45.12 | towo` | B|ack0p, gnome is heavywight |
| 20:45.20 | towo` | even the classic |
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| 20:45.21 | somiaj | cinnimon is also a bit ligher one. |
| 20:45.22 | B|ack0p | just i couldnt solve this keyboard and mouse lag |
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| 20:45.46 | mutante | another vote for MATE desktop, you get gnome2 continued |
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| 20:47.08 | Unit193 | Cinnamon is considered lightweight..? |
| 20:47.30 | towo` | no |
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| 20:48.01 | somiaj | Unit193: ligher than gnome-shell/kde-plasma I think (I don't use any desktop so only go off of info I have read) |
| 20:48.02 | kale | black/flux-box or what about twm :-) |
| 20:48.10 | somiaj | but heavier than mate/xfce/lxde |
| 20:48.17 | Ankman | xfce |
| 20:48.17 | B|ack0p | another question how can i disable splash/background image of grub menu to default blue one? |
| 20:48.22 | towo` | and btw, Intel 965GM is crap |
| 20:48.32 | B|ack0p | towo`: is it my chipset? |
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| 20:48.35 | somiaj | kale: fvwm for life here )" |
| 20:48.38 | somiaj | (: |
| 20:48.52 | towo` | B|ack0p, yes, it's your grapics device |
| 20:49.00 | B|ack0p | yea it is old |
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| 20:49.44 | somiaj | B|ack0p: you will have a much better experience using an older desktop (or just a light wight wm). |
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| 20:50.07 | B|ack0p | somiaj: older with new distro you mean or old distro with old desktop? |
| 20:50.11 | Ankman | B|ack0p: changing is just of cosmetic nature. why would you want to do this? |
| 20:50.13 | B|ack0p | i am currently on gnome classic |
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| 20:50.36 | B|ack0p | Ankman: i like grub screen without background it looks more cool with blue |
| 20:50.42 | B|ack0p | changing what? |
| 20:50.50 | B|ack0p | i m confused sorry |
| 20:50.57 | somiaj | B|ack0p: new distro, with older desktop, in linux you have a lot of choice, but sometimes on older hardware you have to choose the less flashy graphical enviorments. |
| 20:51.14 | B|ack0p | somiaj: is gnome classic good? |
| 20:51.17 | B|ack0p | it is fine now |
| 20:51.20 | B|ack0p | not much lag i face |
| 20:51.47 | somiaj | if it works for you |
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| 20:51.58 | B|ack0p | i may give another try to mate later |
| 20:52.02 | somiaj | use what you like, but if you find it laggy it could be due to the age of your hardware. |
| 20:52.10 | aruiz | is there a command to get the platform triad? say x86_64-linux-gnu? |
| 20:52.11 | B|ack0p | maybe |
| 20:52.19 | somiaj | aruiz: uname -a should list the kernel |
| 20:52.26 | kale | is enlightenment still at play? or did they stall between 16 and e17? |
| 20:52.42 | somiaj | aruiz: dpkg --print-architecture will list the default arcetcure of your userland |
| 20:52.48 | B|ack0p | how can i disable grub background? |
| 20:53.02 | somiaj | kale: its still out there, though they have stalled a bit |
| 20:53.38 | somiaj | ,v e17 |
| 20:53.39 | judd | Package: e17 on amd64 -- jessie: 0.17.6-1; stretch: 0.17.6-1.1+b1; bullseye: 0.22.4-2; buster: 0.22.4-2; sid: 0.22.4-2 |
| 20:53.53 | somiaj | kale: seems they have been with e17 since at least jessie |
| 20:54.00 | kale | heard one of the dev ran with software rendering by mistake, but didn't notice 'cause e17 was so fast |
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| 20:54.28 | jhutchins_wk | I think it was yesterday I posted a link to a "12 best linux desktops" article, mainly to point out that there are enough different choices to make a 12 best list. |
| 20:55.12 | kale | danish lug "SSLUG" had a 24 desktop environments christmas calender one year... |
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| 20:56.09 | jhutchins_wk | aruiz: uname -a will probably give you what you need too. |
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| 21:24.28 | gettype | hi |
| 21:24.47 | gettype | Why i cant get to variable like this: echo '1"2"3"4"' | x="$(cut -d '"' -f 3)" | echo $ |
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| 21:26.35 | fearnothing | hey |
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| 21:27.18 | fearnothing | I have a question concerning packages built from source: if I want to install a later version, is there anything particular I need to do to be sure it will not conflict with the existing version? |
| 21:27.25 | fearnothing | do I need to completely remove the old one first? |
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| 21:27.55 | Habbie | fearnothing, if the package has the same name, dpkg will understand that it replaces what you had |
| 21:28.24 | mutante | just make sure the version number is higher |
| 21:29.21 | Habbie | that does simplify a lot of things |
| 21:29.30 | Habbie | but it's not a requirement for avoiding conflicts between the two versions |
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| 21:30.32 | fearnothing | thanks |
| 21:30.47 | fearnothing | sadly debian's repos are a bit behind the version I need :) |
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| 21:32.03 | dudebr | good night, i am unable to boot from my usb now and have a broken apt, i wonder if is there a way to fix the apt |
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| 21:40.12 | dudebr | https://paste.debian.net/1103817/ |
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| 21:43.45 | dudebr | i tryed a fresh installation but the lap has a somewhat troubled bios the refuses to boot from my pendrive |
| 21:44.39 | OerHeks | run update first, fresh lists |
| 21:44.39 | dudebr | if i only could fix the apt somehow |
| 21:45.26 | dudebr | OerHeks i runned update first |
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| 21:54.28 | dudebr | looks like a boostrap trick reintall the installer |
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| 22:06.23 | dudebr | ive installed zypper, now im trying to add the repo and install apt trough zypper |
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| 22:07.34 | somiaj | !zypper |
| 22:07.49 | somiaj | dudebr: I don't understand what you are asking, and what zypper is. |
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| 22:08.21 | somiaj | ahh zypper is some other package manager. I personally suggest sticking with debian's tools. |
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| 22:08.30 | somiaj | Why do you want to install a different verion of apt than you are using? |
| 22:08.41 | annadane | somiaj, i think the point is dudebr broke apt doing something |
| 22:08.54 | annadane | https://paste.debian.net/1103817/ |
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| 22:09.28 | Zathras | fearnothing, also check backports |
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| 22:10.51 | annadane | he also says 'unsable to boot from usb' |
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| 22:12.05 | somiaj | sounds like they broke python installing unoffical or third party stuff |
| 22:12.18 | somiaj | pycompile not found, and pycompile is part of python which is a core package in jessie |
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| 22:21.13 | dudebr | https://paste.debian.net/1103819/ |
| 22:21.42 | annadane | ooh boy. |
| 22:21.49 | annadane | slow down before you break stuff even more |
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| 22:28.26 | bzed | dudebr: wtf.... what exactly are you doing? |
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| 22:29.47 | dudebr | the update works ok https://paste.debian.net/1103820/ |
| 22:30.05 | dudebr | but the upgrade is broken |
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| 22:31.23 | dudebr | https://paste.debian.net/1103821/ |
| 22:32.13 | dudebr | bzed: i need to fix the apt |
| 22:32.26 | somiaj | again it looks like python is broken |
| 22:32.33 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 22:32.33 | dpkg | dont break debian is probably https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 22:32.50 | somiaj | you might want to read over that for some best pratices, though with your current problem, unsure if you want to spend the time to debug it or just reinstall |
| 22:33.16 | phogg | I've broken Debian in all kinds of fun and interesting ways, but never so badly that apt isn't even installed. |
| 22:33.19 | phogg | is impressed |
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| 22:34.57 | dudebr | somiaj: my netbook is a piece of crap. having truble even to boot from usb |
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| 22:42.50 | dudebr | dont spend more time with this issue. i need a new pc, point. |
| 22:45.01 | warsoul | hi guys |
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| 22:45.08 | warsoul | im getting my new pc tomorrow |
| 22:45.25 | warsoul | can i do a backup of my settings and everything from this one? |
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| 22:47.56 | somiaj | warsoul: yes, and you have lots of options depending on how much you want to backup. |
| 22:48.25 | somiaj | warsoul: I personally say backup peronsal data ($HOME) and configuation files in /etc then do a fresh install, as fresh installs are good now and then to ensure you only have installed the packages you need. |
| 22:48.47 | somiaj | If you want to do some sort of clone, you can just copy your current install (cp -a or rsync -a) to the new drive, make it bootable and put it into the laptop. |
| 22:48.50 | somiaj | You could also do something like this |
| 22:48.55 | somiaj | !aptitude clone |
| 22:48.55 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 22:49.06 | somiaj | The method you use depends on your needs and experience. |
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| 22:50.20 | warsoul | ok |
| 22:50.53 | warsoul | somiaj what desktop you use? |
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| 22:51.42 | somiaj | warsoul: I don't use a desktop, I use just a window manager, fvwm |
| 22:51.55 | warsoul | ok |
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| 22:51.59 | annadane | !what to backup |
| 22:51.59 | dpkg | Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/backups /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ... |
| 22:52.16 | annadane | adjust accordingly depending on needs |
| 22:52.36 | warsoul | i dont know witch use if xfce or kde |
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| 22:53.18 | annadane | just think about what you've done on your system, like for me beyond my data that i have stored like personal files (all in home in my own particular case), maybe one or two /etc changes, /usr/local... i know my system so i know roughly where stuff goes |
| 22:53.19 | somiaj | warsoul: personal choice. xfce will run faster and require less resources. kde plasma looks fancy, but you may need a modern pc with a decent gpu |
| 22:53.28 | annadane | first order of priority would obviously be things like personal files |
| 22:53.57 | warsoul | Client: HexChat 2.14.2 ⢠OS: Debian 10.1 ⢠CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (1.10GHz) ⢠Memory: 15.2 GiB Total (14.4 GiB Free) ⢠Storage: 33.9 GB / 507.5 GB (473.6 GB Free) ⢠VGA: NVIDIA Corporation NF7-S/NF7 @ Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller ⢠Uptime: 22m 22s |
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| 22:54.28 | somiaj | yea, kde should run just fine on that, though even though I have a powerful system, I prefer the lighter desktops, save more of my resources for running the thing I'm using |
| 22:55.05 | annadane | you can always readjust /etc configs... you *can't* get your files back if you lose them :P |
| 22:55.06 | warsoul | im getting a better pc |
| 22:56.06 | warsoul | can i download a image that has xfce pre installed and the wifi drivers? |
| 22:56.17 | warsoul | on this pc was a mission to install the wifi drivers :s |
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| 22:56.41 | somiaj | !non-free imagages |
| 22:56.45 | somiaj | !non-free images |
| 22:56.50 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 22:56.50 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 22:57.12 | somiaj | finally, I got it. Those are the `unoffical' firmware images, they contain all the firmware for wifi cards, and you can select the desktop to download and install at the end of the install. |
| 22:57.32 | somiaj | You will have to download most of the packages during the install, but that should be just fine for most. |
| 22:57.34 | warsoul | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-10.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 22:57.41 | warsoul | this is the image i need to download then? |
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| 22:58.00 | annadane | if you have internet access on your new computer and it's amd64, yes |
| 22:58.15 | somiaj | Correct, provided your card is supported by the buster kernel and firmware, yes (and almost all cards should be) |
| 22:58.35 | warsoul | internet access you mean wired? |
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| 22:58.55 | annadane | or wireless... typically if you have wired internet you don't need non-free to at least get it installed |
| 22:59.02 | annadane | typically laptops are recommended to use non free |
| 22:59.11 | warsoul | is a desktop |
| 22:59.36 | annadane | well, you want the wifi preinstalled so i guess still use the non free image |
| 22:59.44 | warsoul | ok |
| 22:59.49 | warsoul | thats the link i paste? |
| 22:59.50 | warsoul | this one |
| 22:59.54 | warsoul | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-10.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 22:59.55 | warsoul | ? |
| 23:00.20 | annadane | yeah, you should be fine. netinst means net install, so have access to the internet, and amd64 is the amd64 architecture |
| 23:00.47 | warsoul | yes |
| 23:01.08 | warsoul | can i write that image on a usb stick right? |
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| 23:01.11 | annadane | yes |
| 23:01.17 | warsoul | ok |
| 23:01.22 | annadane | use cp if on linux or win32diskimager if on windows |
| 23:01.52 | annadane | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.en.html |
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| 23:08.01 | warsoul | annadane, is their any full image with everything? |
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| 23:08.36 | somiaj | The only unoffical image with the non-free firmware is the net-install |
| 23:08.51 | somiaj | The dvd images will contain everything, but no non-free packages (Such as firmare). |
| 23:08.56 | warsoul | ok |
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| 23:09.15 | warsoul | if i install that one i wont have wifi right after install |
| 23:09.20 | somiaj | There might be debian live images with non-free firmare on it, and the live images also contain the debian-installer, though I suggest using the debian install images over the live images to install. |
| 23:09.47 | somiaj | correct, you'll have to use a wired connection or copy the firmware over manually. If you have a second usb drive you can supply the firmware to the installer |
| 23:10.04 | warsoul | ill do the net install then |
| 23:10.13 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch06s04.en.html |
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| 23:36.08 | B|ack0p | hi again |
| 23:36.17 | B|ack0p | i faced system freeze 3 times now |
| 23:36.39 | B|ack0p | is it related with dmesg: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JVg77pznvz/ |
| 23:36.40 | B|ack0p | ? |
| 23:37.10 | B|ack0p | at line 708 there is an error like this: |
| 23:37.13 | B|ack0p | [ 2.686047] [drm:intel_cpu_fifo_underrun_irq_handler [i915]] *ERROR* CPU pipe B FIFO underrun |
| 23:37.25 | B|ack0p | what is it about? does it cause the freeze? |
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| 23:45.39 | somiaj | I don't think that in intself would cause a freeze. |
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| 23:45.50 | somiaj | Though you might want ot install the intel microcode |
| 23:45.53 | somiaj | !intel microcode |
| 23:45.57 | somiaj | !microcode |
| 23:45.57 | dpkg | Microcode are instructions/structures for implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me about <non-free sources>. http://wiki.debian.org/Microcode |
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| 23:46.47 | B|ack0p | somiaj, as i see kernel is 4.19 |
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| 23:46.56 | B|ack0p | is it possible to update to 5.xx ? |
| 23:47.08 | somiaj | I doubt that is gonna do much on your older hardware |
| 23:47.21 | somiaj | though your biso could possibly be updated and could use newer microcode, hence the microcode instructions |
| 23:47.31 | B|ack0p | i googled about that error and some ppl reported it has been disappeared after kernel update |
| 23:47.45 | B|ack0p | i updated bios already |
| 23:47.47 | somiaj | that error isn't near when the freeze is happening, I don't think it is related |
| 23:48.02 | somiaj | ,kernels |
| 23:48.03 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.3.0-rc5-686 (5.3~rc5-1~exp2); sid: 5.2.0-3-686 (5.2.17-1); bullseye: 5.2.0-2-686 (5.2.9-2); buster-backports: 5.2.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.2.9-2~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae |
| 23:48.04 | judd | (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
| 23:48.07 | B|ack0p | so can freeze be related with graphics driver or firmware? |
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| 23:48.33 | somiaj | 5.2 kernel is in buster-backports, but this kernel is not nearly as well tested as the 4.19 one in buster. I would stick to 4.19 as I don't see any reason why you need to upgrade |
| 23:48.57 | somiaj | It could be the graphics card having issues, your card is a bit old, but not quite sure. I didn't see anything that said the problem is most likley this. |
| 23:49.12 | B|ack0p | :/ |
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| 23:51.04 | B|ack0p | installing now intel-microcode |
| 23:52.43 | B|ack0p | somiaj, i got some warnings while installing |
| 23:52.45 | B|ack0p | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HxcSB232yW/ |
| 23:52.50 | B|ack0p | possible missing firmwares |
| 23:53.36 | somiaj | I think you fixed that by intalling the firmware for the wifi card when you were here eariler |
| 23:54.14 | somiaj | it might be just xorg is freezing (not your systme). I sometimes install an ssh server, and then if it freezes, try to ssh to my machine from another one on the network, if you can still ssh into the system, the kernel isn't freezing it is xorg. |
| 23:54.27 | B|ack0p | i have another laptop same model it doesnt have this problem |
| 23:54.36 | B|ack0p | it is higher specs than this one |
| 23:54.52 | B|ack0p | this one is x61s with L7500 cpu other is X61 with T7500 cpu |
| 23:54.57 | B|ack0p | chipset and graphics are same |
| 23:55.13 | somiaj | maybe that machine has a hardware problem, but I would first figure out if it is kernel or xorg freezing |
| 23:55.30 | B|ack0p | it freezed in Ubuntu too :? |
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| 23:55.31 | B|ack0p | :/ |
| 23:55.45 | B|ack0p | i hope it is not hardware problem |
| 23:56.23 | B|ack0p | somiaj, when it freezes i cant control mouse |
| 23:56.27 | B|ack0p | everything freezes |
| 23:56.30 | B|ack0p | nothing works |
| 23:56.41 | B|ack0p | then i have to press power button to force it shut down |
| 23:56.51 | somiaj | xorg will take out computer and mouse, that dosn't mean your system is fully frozen |
| 23:57.04 | somiaj | hence why I suggested using ssh, to double check the whole system is freezing vs just xorg. |
| 23:57.09 | B|ack0p | can i use something else instead of xorg? |
| 23:57.27 | B|ack0p | i dont know how to ssh |
| 23:58.27 | B|ack0p | i dont know if it helps but freezes happened while i was on Firefox watching Netflix |
| 23:59.00 | B|ack0p | in Ubuntu freeze happened many times randomly not only firefox |
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