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00:28.34annadaneoops, sorry
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00:51.38anexitHey all, is there a reason iftop would show me some strange ips but when I tcpdump I don't see any traffic?
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00:55.52tomreynrunning tcpdump without sufficient permissions / capabilities would give you this
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01:43.10ebliphey quick question i need to set up a crontab for duckdns....do i do this from user or from root
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01:44.35RoyKeblip: if a cron job runs a command that needs root access, you can either add it to root's cronab or use sudo. If the command doesn't need root access, any user should work
01:44.52eblipthanks RoyK
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02:48.48restrictedchoicehowdy folks. i'm in the process of attempting to install debian buster on my new thinkpad x390.
02:49.05restrictedchoicei'm attempting to load non-free firmware from a removable drive for my wifi.
02:49.32restrictedchoicethink x390 has the following wifi adapter: Intel® Dualband 9560 802.11
02:50.07restrictedchoicein some of the reading i've done, it seems i may need to provide ucode firmeware files from a backport. i attempted to include the relevant files from here https://packages.debian.org/buster-backports/all/firmware-iwlwifi
02:50.34restrictedchoicebut the installer is still unable unable to fine the files.
02:50.36restrictedchoiceany help?
02:51.03toruvinnthere's a netinstall image WITH that firmware
02:51.31toruvinnwell, i dont know if that particular, but there's one that includes firmware you can download separately.
02:51.36toruvinnthat makes stuff much easier to deal with
02:51.54toruvinni've had pretty... random experiences with the "provide separate media with firmware files" in the past
02:53.05toruvinnhttp://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ there, perhaps?
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02:53.44restrictedchoiceah, wow, didn't realize there was a non-free iso
02:53.49restrictedchoicei'll give it a shot now, thanks!
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02:55.11restrictedchoicei'm assuming i want standard+non-free?
02:56.28toruvinnhttp://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-10.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso i'll probably go with this one ;-p
02:56.31toruvinner, i'd
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02:59.14restrictedchoicethanks
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03:05.48ebliphey where should i put my systemd unit file that i have created..should i just put it in /lib/systemd/system
03:07.43jmcnaughteblip: /etc/systemd/system. "man systemd.unit"
03:07.49restrictedchoicetoruvinn: it's working, thanks!
03:07.52eblipthanks
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03:14.27toruvinnrestrictedchoice, \o/
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05:01.40warsoulhi
05:01.58warsoulhow i can write files to my usb stick
05:02.18annadanein what sense?
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05:06.27annadanelike, copy files?
05:07.20warsoulyes
05:07.25warsoulwas trying to drag in the usb
05:07.29warsoulbut is not letting me
05:08.44annadanewell, i'm not sure why that is. but anyway, mount your usb, type lsblk and see what the mount point is, my external hard drive is /media/anna/<long list of characters> for example, and then cp filename /media/warsoul/blahblah
05:09.50warsoulok got it
05:09.53warsoulhow do i mount it
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05:10.31annadaneeither click the entry in your file manager or mount /dev/sdx1 or whatever it is /mnt, or /media
05:10.40annadanesee your entries with lsblk, again
05:10.50warsouljust saw it
05:11.56warsouldont know the command
05:12.30annadaneto mount? what does lsblk say is your usb stick?
05:12.46warsoulsdc1   8:33   1   3.8G  0 part /media/warsoul/Untitled
05:12.56annadanethen mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt
05:13.54warsoulmount: /mnt: /dev/sdc1 already mounted on /media/warsoul/Untitled.
05:14.23annadanedoes it really say "untitled"? that's odd
05:14.35annadaneoh, oops. i'm not reading properly
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05:14.51annadanewell, then cp yourfile /media/warsoul/Untitled
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05:20.35fakhraeehow can i ignore the error 'E: Package 'mpd' has no installation candidate' when installing multiple packages together?
05:21.19annadaneyou shouldn't be getting that, mpd is a package
05:21.24annadanepaste your sources.list?
05:21.26annadane!pate
05:21.29annadane!paste
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06:13.55m0rd3caianyone running xfce4 how can I set the default username so i dont have to type it in anymore. I've done it before but I cant remember and google isn't helping much
06:14.09m0rd3caidefault login username*
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06:25.07diogenes_m0rd3cai, you want to autologin?
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06:41.39ayewautologin canbe enabled in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
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06:48.06vltread that as “I don’t want autologin but want to type my password only but not my username”
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07:25.32gravelchhi there, I just installed debian buster on my machine and able to boot into bash shell. However I can not shutdown it as both `poweroff` and `shutdown -h now` returns `bash: command not found`
07:25.55gravelchI've also tried `modprobe apm`
07:26.15gravelchbut it returns command not found as well
07:27.20gravelchIs there anything I could do to solve this? TIA
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07:37.32gashumanhello....
07:37.52gashumananybody...
07:37.55gryhi
07:37.59gashumanhey man
07:38.15gryhow are you?
07:38.22gashumanfine thanks you....
07:38.25gashumanand you?..
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07:39.15gashuman...
07:39.16gryi'm ok too :)
07:39.28grywriting an energy saving app now
07:39.36gashumanowh....ok ^_^...
07:39.39gashumanLOL XD
07:39.57grywhat is your first language?
07:40.16gashumanfirst language...you mean...main language that i use everyday?
07:40.20gryyes
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07:40.28gashumanmalay
07:40.30grywhich you learned in childhood
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07:40.35gashumanand you?
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07:46.16vltgravelch: How sure are you that it’s bash? What does `echo $0` say?
07:47.37gravelchYea I'm sure, it says `~bash`
07:48.09gravelchor `-bash` to be precise
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07:49.24vltgravelch: Hmmm, so it’s definitively *not* bash but something that says "-bash". Did the system boot into an initrd.img shell?
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07:51.16gravelchwell you're right, once I typed `bash` and press enter and re-run your command, it returns `bash`
07:51.30gravelchbut the problem is persist
07:51.42gry_gashuman, i speak Russian
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07:52.57gravelchftr, I installed this through non-free netinstall on usb
07:55.03gravelchI also wanted it to be used as a desktop instead of server. I accidentally checked `web server` upon installation. So, as it is booting up, I directly run `apt-get remove --purge 'mysql-.*'` since I don't need it.
07:55.56gravelchand also ran `apt autoremove` as root.
07:56.40gravelchvlt: is this the root cause? I'm about to reinstall it anyways
07:57.39melpymilkt in here?
07:57.59vltgravelch: Hard to tell. I you are about to reinstall then just try that.
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07:59.35gravelchvlt: okay, thanks anyway
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08:19.20GNU\colossusis there a benchmark for recursive nameserver available? benchmark, in the sense that I feed a program a list of recursor addresses, and it determines which has the lowest latency for a predefined set of queries.
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08:47.15gidnawhere do I find pdflatex?
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08:50.16diogenes_,V pdflatex
08:50.18juddNo package named 'pdflatex' was found in amd64.
08:50.18vltgidna: In texlive packages.
08:50.34diogenes_,file pdflatex
08:50.36vltgoberle: textlive-xetex, for example.
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08:50.38juddSearch for pdflatex in buster/amd64: latex-cjk-chinese: usr/bin/bg5+pdflatex, usr/bin/bg5pdflatex, usr/bin/cef5pdflatex, usr/bin/cefpdflatex, usr/bin/cefspdflatex, usr/bin/gbkpdflatex; texlive-latex-base: usr/bin/pdflatex; latex-cjk-japanese: usr/bin/sjispdflatex
08:51.23vltgoberle: Sorry, nick completion, was meant for gidna.
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08:52.47gidnaso it is texlive-latex-base
08:52.49gidna?
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08:53.17diogenes_yes
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09:09.59GNU\colossusftr, I've found "namebench" that apparently can do what I want
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09:17.02gidnaI miss this: or enter new name. (Default extension: sty)
09:17.12gidna! LaTeX Error: File `ucs.sty' not found.
09:17.24gidnahow Can I find the package that contains it?
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09:25.45gidnahow can I find the package that contains a certain file?
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09:29.40rephlexiegidna, debian wise?  https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents
09:30.11annadanehttps://paste.debian.net/1104668/
09:30.38annadaneso, you likely want texlive-latex-extra
09:31.06rephlexie^
09:31.35gidnaok didn't know it
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11:33.50DrBunsenHey, just a quick question. Am I the only one who experiences a sluggish slow system when I am moving big files from disc to for example an USB stick? It makes my PC and laptops slow to the point of being unusable until it is done.
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11:42.25diogenes_DrBunsen, check swap usage.
11:43.55n_1-c_kDrBunsen, try ionice.
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11:48.13DrBunsendiogenes_, I have 10 GB of swap on a SSD, I will monitor it with iotop. n_1-c_k, I usually just use nautilus to copy paste a file, I was hoping this was an issue I would not have to fix with meddling with processes every reboot.
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11:48.59DrBunsenAnd swap useage with the system monitor ;)
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12:04.22no_gravityDrBunsen: Never had that issue. I always copy on the command line with cp though.
12:04.42no_gravityDrBunsen: GUI implementations of file copy often caused me problems too.
12:05.27Mazhivehello guys i have a wierd situation ... my debian 10 got a power outage last night and now after login it only shows the startup screen i can get my desktop back by using alt f7 but that does not suppossed to be...
12:07.29Mazhiveso to prevent confusion after login i mean typing the user name and password
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12:08.25Mazhiveshould i reinstall org ??
12:08.29Mazhivexorg
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12:09.11diogenes_Mazhive, try a new user.
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12:10.58MazhiveHMMM  i only have one oke i need to make a new user then .. its a new install so... oke . ill try
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12:16.57Xogiumhi folks :) I'm no debian user, but I've been trying to make my openssh support sd_notify using your patch. It applied cleanly, however if I set sshd.service as Type=notify, systemd still ends up terminating on timeout… Any clue what I could be missing ?
12:17.49Xogiumthe patch I used is athttps://sources.debian.org/data/main/o/openssh/1:8.0p1-6/debian/patches/systemd-readiness.patch
12:17.57Xogiumerr, at https://sources.debian.org/data/main/o/openssh/1:8.0p1-6/debian/patches/systemd-readiness.patch
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12:18.32XogiumI also enabled the --with-systemd option in openssh's configure
12:19.50XogiumI figured this is the best place to ask, as this patch wasn't merged upstream
12:19.50Mazhivediogenes_ i think you right it is a profile issue should i delete the .xsession from my profile folder ??
12:20.06Mazhiveother user has no issue
12:20.49diogenes_Mazhive, try that.
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12:28.10Xogiumwell, I don't know how I could verify that the binary I built really got sd_notify support, but the source code really has it :S
12:28.43Xogiumreally appreciate any help :)
12:29.10diogenes_Mazhive, what DE?
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12:32.59Xogiumer, in my config.log I don't see it printing 'checking for libsystemd'
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12:38.23Janei have a clear sources.list file, and somehow apt-get is still getting odd urls when doing apt-get update. i think stuff i've added with another program maybe? my apt-get update has a few broken links, and id' like to resolve that.
12:38.49Janethere's urls getting hit that doesn't even exist in sources.list, so where else can apt-get be pulling info from?
12:39.11towo`from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
12:41.21Janetowo`: i emptied sources.list.d, just failed keys entries are left now.
12:41.26Janewhere are those getting pulled from?
12:43.50Janei'm trying to update, and just making sure apt goes without errors
12:44.42Mazhivediogenes: lightdm - mate
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12:47.09Xogiumnever mind, I forgot to run autoreconf…
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12:49.29Mazhiveshould i backup my .profile and delete the original afterwards..
12:49.29diogenes_Mazhive, then clear .cache and rename mate config dir.
12:49.40Mazhiveah oke ..
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13:16.01teclo-Damnit, after a clean install I still get the exact damn error
13:16.12teclo-nvidia-driver can't be installed because of dependencies
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13:16.40teclo-I just added non-free to my sources.list
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13:18.54diogenes_teclo-, pastebin sources.list
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13:28.46teclo-diogenes_: http://paste.debian.net/1104714/
13:29.57teclo-and it's all legit and reguler Debian packages
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13:31.40LtLteclo-: add contrib and non-free its important to use both
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13:32.12teclo-LtL: ah, contrib and non-free, ok
13:32.57teclo-ok buster main contrib non-free
13:33.05teclo-do I have to do that with buster-updates too ?
13:33.18LtLyes
13:33.34LtL!buster sources.list
13:33.34dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list".
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13:34.30teclo-aaah now that's better
13:35.52teclo-LtL: looks like the problem is solved, thanks alot... Too bad regulars like greycat didn't point that out yesterday ;)
13:36.44teclo-however I had weird issues with my apt-cacher mirror at the same time, so now I don't use my mirror anymore ;)
13:37.46JyZyXELapt-cacher has the most confusing issues always
13:38.04teclo-JyZyXEL: yes it had a very confusing one yesterday
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13:41.49teclo-I had errors when doing apt update because my Debian mirror says "403 not allowed to fetch that type of file: icons-48x48.tar.gz "
13:43.06LtLteclo-: :)
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17:07.52whatsupboy!help mirrors
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17:08.30diogenes_try with comma
17:08.31LtL!mirrors
17:08.31dpkgThe best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <httpredir.debian.org>, <debian mirror checker>.  To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <ftpsync>, <mirror size>.  #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net.
17:08.59whatsupboythanks LtL
17:09.09LtLwhatsupboy: welcome
17:09.42whatsupboyI need to edidt sources.list  for  debian 9
17:10.01LtL!stretch sources.list
17:10.01dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main".  Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
17:10.18LtLwhatsupboy: thats for debian 9 stretch
17:10.19whatsupboythis helps thansk again LtL
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17:11.23LtLwhatsupboy: its a good idea to append contrib non-free to each deb line fyi and apt update
17:12.03LtLand main of course which is default.
17:12.22whatsupboyokay, crrently I am not able to install sudo  and noticed the problem is with my sorces.list
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17:26.26whatsupboyhow can I update my firefox in debian stretch from terminal  without actually downloading .deb or .tar files
17:27.03jellywhatsupboy: how did you install firefox in the first place?
17:27.18whatsupboyI have the default browser
17:27.23whatsupboywhich is so outdated
17:27.44whatsupboyjelly:  the one that comes along debian installation
17:27.52jellywhatsupboy: which browser and version is that?
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17:27.59whatsupboyits icewesel may be
17:28.04whatsupboyno
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17:29.24jelly"maybe" is not enough to try help.  You can click on Help -> About... and see the name and version there.
17:29.46BCMMwhatsupboy: just to check, you are aware that Debian 10 "Buster" has been released, right?
17:31.32whatsupboy60.9.0esr (64-bit)  wondering if this is latest firefox?
17:31.43whatsupboyBCMM:  okay I will download it later
17:31.52whatsupboyBut I have old image
17:32.24BCMM60esr is the current version of firefox on both stretch and buster, though
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17:33.00jhutchinswhatsupboy: You're not going to get the latest firefox if you have an obsolete debian release.  Which version of Debian do you have?
17:33.55jhutchinshans_: Roundcube requires PHP programming knowledge if you're going to add plugins or customize it.
17:34.13whatsupboymozilla currentversion 69.2
17:34.17hans_not a problem, been using PHP since ~2006
17:34.17whatsupboyjhutchins:  stretch
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17:34.19lupinefortunately, PHP doesn't require programming knowledge
17:34.20lupinesee: all PHP
17:34.24whatsupboydeban 9
17:34.53jhutchins!sources list
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17:35.02jellywhatsupboy: 60.9.0 esr is indeed up-to-date.  Debian is going to switch to 68esr when 60esr branch stops getting security fixes.
17:35.20tradarso true lupine ĸeĸ
17:35.48jellywhatsupboy: you won't see firefox release branch (Firefox 69) in Debian stable any time soon
17:35.53hans_is the security team backporting FF ESR fixes to EOL ESR versions? x.x
17:36.09jellyhans_: no, they track upstream.
17:36.14hans_good.
17:36.31jelly60esr still has a month or two of support I think
17:36.36hans_(that would just be a stupid waste of time imo)
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17:38.03jellyMozilla's build of ESR still hasn't switched existing installations from 60esr to 68esr either.
17:39.10BCMMhans_: that would be essentially impossible due to the size and complexity of firefox
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17:40.03whatsupboyokay thanks all
17:41.55hans_BCMM, well then i guess there's only 1 option, let the upstream ESR team do all the work (as it should be with that particular package, imo)
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17:52.25MTB2019Im using debian 10. When i open certain websites in chrome... the scripts trigger my browser to freeze for tens of seconds.... What can i do ?
17:53.19jellyMTB2019: uh, install a decent adblocker extension?
17:53.39MTB2019jelly: im already using AD Block plus
17:54.04c0rneliusinstall noscripts?
17:54.05MTB2019jelly: but there are the popups that ask me to acccept cookies... that trigger the freeze
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17:54.22jellyMTB2019: maybe disable that one and try uBlock Origin
17:55.13jellyMTB2019: actual popups or overlays inside existing site
17:55.20MTB2019jelly: this doesnt happen on my lap[top. only on desktop/./././ and the laptop is a bit lower in terms of cpu... makes no sense/// i use debian 10 on both
17:56.58MTB2019this is nthe page that just caused me the freeze.... https://www.wowbiz.ro/cine-sunt-concurentii-celui-de-al-treilea-sezon-asia-express-20044945
17:57.36MTB2019it wprks fine in FF
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18:02.55jellyMTB2019: Ghostery blocked 10 things, and uBlock Origin blocked 28 more on that... and you're gone.  Okay.
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18:32.40voiceshey, where can i find old versions of debian
18:32.51voicesi'm looking for 6.0.6
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18:34.17towo`www.debian.org/distrib/archive.de.html
18:34.41towo`or better www.debian.org/distrib/archive.en.html for english
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18:36.02Mazhivediogenes_: i deleted the content of .cache and renamed the .mate-session folder no result . funny thing is i can get the screen back by first going into console (alt+f5 then go back with alt f7)
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18:37.52Guest15675I have an old nintendo wii in which I'd like to install debian whiite (special debian lenny 5 distro for the wii), I have downloaded the OS but the kernel modules are not shipped with the OS (2.6.32) since this is a debian version compiled for power pc, I'm trying to find the 2.6.32 kernel modules for power pc, could someone point me to the right direction where I can download them ? I didn't have much
18:37.58Guest15675success googling for them
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18:41.40diogenes_Mazhive, well it works correctly with the new user so the issue is definitely in your .config or .xinitrc if you have it.
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18:43.54pthreatIn case it didn't got sent because I wasn't identified: I have an old nintendo wii in which I'd like to install debian whiite (special debian lenny 5 distro for the wii), I have downloaded the OS but the kernel modules are not shipped with the OS (2.6.32) since this is a debian version compiled for power pc, I'm trying to find the 2.6.32 kernel modules for power pc, could someone point me to the right
18:44.00pthreatdirection where I can download them ? I didn't have much success googling for them
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18:46.35voicesthanks, i was there already. no iso for 6.0.6. it's alright, i'll get '6.0.6 live'
18:49.21voiceshttps://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.6/i386/
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18:51.12no_gravityHello! The mate terminal always adds "(as superuser)" to the terminal windows name when I am root. Is there a way to prevent that?
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19:06.45teclo-evening, I've got both MATE and KDE installed, and I know I have to do dpkg-reconfigure lightdm to choose the right login manager. Now I got the KDE login sreen... but after that I am in MATE
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19:12.51velixIs "ufw" (uncomplicated firewall) an addition to netfilter or a replacement?
19:13.15velixDONT ANSWER
19:13.24velixJust found it: "Ufw provides a framework for managing netfilter, as well as a command-line interface for manipulating the firewall."
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19:16.50jellyteclo-: choice of display manager is different from choice of session (desktop enviroment).  You can typically pick a session in ANY dm somewhere.
19:17.44teclo-jelly: ok...
19:17.45jellylook for an UI element with "session" or "config" on the login screen
19:18.00teclo-ah, found out why... In sddm at the top of the screen I can choose the window manager
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19:26.46ebliptook me a while to get all my config sorted to set up on debian...but now everything is up and running (apart from python development environement) ..think im gonna love it
19:27.43eblipin fact setting it up...has got my files organized...what a mess
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19:49.06voices_hey on the debian security lists how does the numbering system work? it'll say things like: "this problem has been fixed in version 2.2.13-19+squeeze3" but as far as i can tell, squeeze went from 6.0.0 through to 6.0.10
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19:51.43voices_sorry that was supposed to say "For the stable distribution (squeeze), this problem has been fixed in version 2.2.13-19+squeeze3"
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19:57.01mihivoices_, you get security updates (from security.debian.org) independent from point releases.
19:57.08jellyvoices_: version 2.2.13-19+squeeze3 of the package in context.
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19:57.35mihias jelly pointed out, the mentioned version is the package version.
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20:12.40voices_i see. so with "sudo 1.7.4p4-6" what is the little -6 on the end? is it different to "1.7.4p4" ?
20:12.49voices_i'm looking here
20:12.50voices_https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2011-0010
20:14.01voices_is "1.7.4p4-2.squeeze.1" the same as "1.7.4p4" or different?
20:14.07somiajDebian package versions are of the form epoch:upstreamversion-debianrevision
20:14.40somiajso the -6 means there have been 6 debian revisions of the source from the upstream version 1.7.4p4, which is often debian patches for security/bug fixes, or just customiziations for the debian echo system.
20:14.58somiajecosystem
20:15.37somiajin that case 1.7.4p4 is the base upstream version, but there will be differnces between -2.squeeze.1 and -6 (you can look at the debian changelog for specifics)
20:16.04annadanedo you know what the p stands for?
20:16.25somiajnot off the top of my head, you'll have to look into the upstream source of sudo and how they version things.
20:16.41somiajmaybe that is upstreams way of monintoring security patches to the base 1.7.4 version
20:16.48somiajlike 'patch 4', but that is just a guess
20:17.56voices_i'm looking through old outdated versions for my unix comp-sec class just fyi. professor gave me an old vm to play with. if i run sudo -V it shows "Sudo version 1.7.4p4" but then again, i don't suppose it would report a more specific version number than that
20:19.10voices_p i thought was just 'point', i read that somewhere. patch sounds more plausible though
20:19.29somiajcould be point intead of using ., depends on the actual upstream though
20:19.55somiajyea, debian rarely patches the software to list the debian revision in the output of foo -V
20:20.50somiajalso this causes some automatic checkers to get mad, as they think the version they see is insecure, but provided that the CVE was during the liftime that debian supported, debian will backport the security fixes to the version in stable, since debian is a mostly frozen system
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20:21.53voices_so what happens if say i find a serious vulnerability for this old version of debian (6.0.6 - squeeze) now that it's no longer maintained?
20:22.33lupineyou get rich
20:23.49voices_what? rich, how? it's like 5 years since end of life
20:23.50somiajvoices_: you have to live with it, or build your own package to fix it, once it is no longer supported, there wont' be any fixes.
20:24.07somiaj!squeeze lts
20:24.07dpkgVolunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" ended on 2016-02-29 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64.  An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main».
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20:24.42somiajyea, even squeeze lts support has stoped since 2016, so there are probably multiple secure vulnabilities
20:24.47warsoulwhy i cant change my wallpaper?
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20:25.06voices_somiaj: right, so maybe there's something that's been reported in the meantime that i can use
20:25.15somiajwarsoul: we don't know, you should be able to. There are lots of tools to set the xorg wallpaper, and what you use often depends on what DE/wm being used.
20:25.21voices_what does lts stand for again i forget
20:25.23lupinethrough exploiting all those enterprises
20:25.30BCMMvoices_: long term support
20:25.34somiajvoices_: long term support, which is a group that takes over after the debain security team stops.
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20:26.01warsoulsomiaj, i can just put the ones that brings the xfce
20:26.10warsoulthe ones saved online is not letting me
20:26.23voices_ah i see. why? just becuase?
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20:27.31BCMMvoices_: a few people, for various reasons, want to carry on using a specific debian release long after it is obsolete. usually due to one particular piece of software that they can't upgrade for some reason.
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20:27.58BCMMvoices_: LTS is different from normal debian support though, and only covers a relatively small subset of packages
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20:29.49somiajI think relatively small is a bit missleading (since most packages wont' need any support), but yes, they only fix CVEs that affect mostly server side softawre, and leave most desktop software alone.
20:30.17somiajThere is even a program you can run to let you know what packages you have were not fixed
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20:35.22voices_somiaj: oh yeah? what is it?
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20:36.12somiaj!lts
20:36.12dpkgDebian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years.  Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies.  Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information.  #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net.
20:36.14Gigglebyteis there a burning program that will allow me to burn to usb?  I only have xfcburn on my laptop, and it will only burn to cd/dvd.
20:36.21somiajvoices_: I dno't use lts, check the wiki
20:36.21voices_BCMM: yeah, but i thought that's what the community support thing was anyway
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20:37.07somiajvoices_: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/FAQ#What_architectures_are_supported.3F
20:37.11dipasoGigglebyte, dd
20:37.20somiajthere is a check-support-status program from the debian-security-support package
20:37.33somiajGigglebyte: what do you want to copy to usb?
20:37.47Gigglebytesomiaj>  Debian live CD
20:37.47somiajGigglebyte: I suggest cp over dd, but a lot depends on what you want to 'burn' to usb.
20:38.12GigglebyteI have two partitions on the USB, and want to replace a bad distro on the 2nd partition.
20:38.16somiajGigglebyte: yea, the debian images, the manuall suggest using cp, 'cp foo.iso /dev/sdX', where sdX is the device you want to copy to (be careful it will destory all data on that device)
20:38.19voices_somiaj: yeah, i use dd or unetbootin in the past
20:38.34somiajvoices_: unetbootin can mangale debian installers and should be avoided
20:38.48voices_never had a problem with it
20:39.08somiajGigglebyte: you can't just copy the image to a single partition, the image is already has a full partition table and boot info, you have to copy it to the whole drive, destorying both partitions
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20:39.27somiajGigglebyte: there are some guides on how to get around this, but they often require syslinux and a bunch more work.
20:40.00GigglebyteIt might be easier to just copy the firmware from partition 1 to the backup laptop that I am using now.
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20:40.52voices_or maybe i have, but i think it always got me ther in the end. pretty sure i use dd to unpack disk images onto thumbdrives and whatnot
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20:41.49somiajyea, cp is just suggested in the debain install guide because cp has a bit nicer defaults than dd
20:42.32somiajthey both work, but tools like untebootin that don't do raw writes can cause problems because they try to make it bootable modifing the image which is already bootable on both legacy and uefi systems, and works on both usb and cds
20:45.15voices_well, i mean.. i dont see how they're comparable. cp will just copy the .iso to the disk as a file. dd will unpack everything in the iso like it does when burning a disc, so you get the whole directory tree. unless i'm missing something
20:45.44voices_yeah, noew that you mention it, i do recall unetbootin being kinda troublesome
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20:46.15somiajvoices_: they do the same thing, they do a byte per byte copy, dd is way more configurable (you can configure the block read/write size) and has a lot of lower level control, but the defaults of cp are better for most systems without any extra config flags.
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20:46.57somiajthis often just affects copy time, and in the end they both work just fine. cp also has more common syntax that more people are familar with.
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20:50.13somiajyea, seems dd means 'copy and convert' so it can do stuff that cp cannot, but in most cases these features are not needed. Here is a nice description about cp too, "This is a more "higher" level of abstraction, where you can copy directories recursively, without caring about block size, file conversion, etc."
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20:50.35voices_what? if you cp an iso file to a disk, you're going to have an iso file on a disk. if you dd an iso file to a disk you're going to have the whole operating system on a disk. isn't that the whole reason people use dd? unless cp has some functionality i've never heard of
20:50.50somiajvoices_: you are copying the iso to the device (not the filesystem)
20:51.02somiajvoices_: dd can copy files to file systems just like cp can too
20:51.04annadanei know there are some philosophic differences between cp and dd but i've never really bothered to find out what they are
20:51.20annadanethey both work ok to me :P
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20:51.31somiajvoices_: cp foo.iso /dev/sdX will copy foo.iso to the device /dev/sdX
20:52.02annadanemost i've managed to scope out is "cp for simple options, dd for more flexibility"
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20:52.14somiajvoices_: that distinction is not correct, in both cases it is about where the data is being coppied to, is it being copied to the file system (like /mnt/usb) or is it being coppied directly to the deivce, /dev/sdX
20:52.26somiajdd can copy a file from one file system to another just like cp too.
20:52.29voices_somiaj: and it will do the same job as dd in that situation?
20:52.33somiajhttps://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/338834/what-is-the-difference-between-dd-cp-and-rsync
20:53.19somiajvoices_: My experience is many people have a misconception of what dd actually is, at some level it is just a lower level copy tool, or 'copy and convert' not just copy, and it is only called 'dd', becuse 'cc' was already being used for the c complier
20:53.46voices_if you insist it's true, i'll believe you, but i'll be surprized
20:53.54somiajthough modern use seems to be use dd to copy disk images and cp to copy file trees in file systems, this is just convention and not about the tools.
20:54.09voices_yeah it's like.. the lowest level
20:54.34annadanei've used dd to copy BSD images to USB sticks just because that's officially recommended but i'm sure cp would work too
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20:54.50voices_i alwaysthought of dd as meaning "direct dump" or something like that
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20:54.55somiajits the 'and convert' that makes dd different than cp, though this isn't needed as much
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20:56.13mnssomiaj: cp foo.iso /dev/sdX will give you a file called /dev/sdX it will not write to the device located at /dev/sdX
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20:56.39somiajmns: it will write to that device. I copy all my debian.iso files to usb that way
20:56.59somiajprovided of couse you use the correct device /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, etc. I always use sdX because the user needs to know what device to copy to
20:57.22somiajnever want to write a command someoen can copy/paste and take out their main harddrive for isntance
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20:57.37voices_you can tell it to dump n bytes and stop, etc. i use it sometimes to zero a disk by writing bytes from /dev/zero
20:58.44warsoulhow can i change after long time with no use the pc i have to log in back again
20:58.48somiajyea, dd has its uses and can do things cp cannot do, such as control block size read/writes, how many blocks, etc
20:59.05somiajwarsoul: do you mean you need to recover the root or user password?
21:00.31mnssomiaj: I have never used cp to transfer files like that, it has always been dd.  Is that a GNU cp thing ?  'cp' is supposed to be higher level then what dd does.
21:00.32somiajwarsoul: or do you mean you want to disable your locking feature, so your desktop never locks and requires you to enter in the password to get back to it?
21:01.03voices_oh weird, i followed the link you gave me, it looks like debian has a bunch of channels on OFTC
21:01.16somiajmns: nope, it works in other places too. cp is a higher level tool, you can't control block size read/writes, how many blocks, etc, and it won't convert ASCII to little-endian.
21:01.25somiaj!oftc move
21:01.25dpkgirc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html.  Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on freenode.  Questions?  Ask in #debian on one or other network.  See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html
21:01.53somiajvoices_: oftc is the 'offical' debian irc network, this is the only channel left on #freenode due to the amount of users who use it.
21:01.53voices_strange
21:02.01voices_i see
21:02.06voices_do you use the other one as well
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21:02.27somiajmns: but the reason the debian install guide recommends using cp instead of dd, is on most hardware cp just has nicer defaults and dose th ejob.
21:02.35somiajvoices_: yea, I'm on both networks.
21:02.56voices_is there other good stuff on that network
21:03.20voices_also  with dd it's much easier to bork your everything
21:03.22somiajfor the most part I only know of the debian channels on oftc, so unsure what else is there.
21:03.36voices_to whoever was asking
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21:04.08somiajfreenode was having an identiy crisis in 2006, and debian choose to move, but the network seemed to recover from that
21:04.23annadaneis it easier? if my hard drive with all my critical files on it is /dev/sda and i cp linux.iso /dev/sda wouldn't it break the same way
21:04.33somiajI don't know the deatils of all the drama that ensured, I was around at the time, but just didn't pay entough attention.
21:04.40annadaneer, well no, because it'd be mounted
21:04.46somiajannadane: it would break it
21:04.49annadanethough if you had it unmounted...
21:04.54mnssomiaj: most documentation I've ever ran into, or used, has always said to use 'dd' when writing to a device.
21:05.20somiajbeing mounted won't stop you from writing drirectly to the device and destorying your system.
21:05.21mnslearn something new everyday around here
21:05.47somiajmns: yea, as I mentioned there is a lot that think dd is for disk imageing and cp is for filesystems, but that is just convention but not true.
21:05.47annadaneright, because it should be the mount point, not device label
21:05.50annadanei'm stupid.
21:06.27somiajthey are both just doing copies, and it is the kernel allow you to write to the device via the node /dev/sdX
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21:15.33warsoulsomiaj i want that if i let my pc on stays like that
21:15.39warsoulno passsword to log back in
21:15.40warsouletc.
21:15.54warsoulif i turn off the monitor is asking for password
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21:23.07ebliphey i have seen a debian wiki statin
21:23.26eblipptables -A INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
21:23.44eblipand another stating ptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
21:23.52eblipwhich one is the best to use on debian
21:24.56somiajwarsoul: this depends on your desktop, go to your desktop settings and look around on how to disable the 'lock', which makes you have to enter in your password after a certain time of inactivity for security reasons.
21:25.12somiajwarsoul: this might also be under screen saver or power savings. I don't use desktops so unsure where this is located.
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21:26.10somiajeblip: if no one answers here, maybe try ##networking to see what the differences are. I doubt it matters if it is debian or not on the differnces. And better may depend on use case.
21:26.18somiaj(I don't know enough to give a good answer)
21:26.20eblipthanks somiaj
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21:39.14Eryn_1983_FLhey guys whats the zfs channel again
21:39.23Eryn_1983_FLi forgot how to search and yes i know you told me a few days ago...
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21:41.15OerHeksinteresting
21:41.59siouxscout#openzfs?
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21:44.42asymptoticallyEryn_1983_FL: try /list
21:45.50jmcnaughtor "/msg alis list zfs"
21:46.08_ioannisHello people, I'm on buster, using NetworkManager and keep getting ((src/settings/nm-settings-connection.c:361)): assertion '<dropped>' failed in the logs. I Googled that but it seems whoever had it had extraneous or interfaces in their systems, I do not seem to have anything like that, any suggestions? Thanks in advance!
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21:53.57MawsHi!, any idea why I get this message "make[1]: depmod: Command not found" when doing a make clean; make install command.......
21:54.47Maws(what do I need to install to get depmod) :)
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21:58.05somiajMaws: depmod is part of kmod which is an important package so should be installed. Are you running this as root?
22:00.14Mawssomiaj, yea, tried to do it as root as well....I'm on debian testing but still....
22:00.21somiaj!buster su
22:00.22dpkgTo start an interactive session with <su>, you should use "su -l" or "su -"; this has always been the case, but is now enforced in Debian 10 'buster', where the PATH is no longer reset in non-interactive sessions. Alternatively, you can ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for workarounds.
22:00.49somiajMaws: how are you becomming root? Maybe if just using 'su' its an enviomrent PATH issue
22:01.07Mawsyea, only used su
22:01.22somiajdue to enviroment issues and changes in su, use 'su -' instead
22:02.03annadanemy muscle memory is forever on su - now, i tried putting alias su="su -" in my bash aliases and kept typing su - anyway :P
22:02.21_ioannishaha so true
22:02.46somiajthere are reasons you don't want su - though, they are both needed for different reasons
22:02.57somiajbut yea, this change is affecting lots of users
22:03.23annadanei mean i just use su - for everything, i'm unaware of dangers or downsides to doing so
22:03.33annadanei know the *difference* between the two
22:03.59Mawshmm, looks like the depmod error is gone after doing su -, but then this error occure, any tips on that ? " snxterm.c:12:10: fatal error: ncurses.h: No such file or directory
22:04.00Maws<PROTECTED>
22:04.00Maws"
22:04.20somiajMaws: this is due to missing the -dev package for that libary
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22:04.26Maws(it's for installing drivers for a rs232 card....)
22:04.37somiajMaws: libncurses-dev is the package name
22:04.37Mawsok, any tips on what I need to install ?
22:04.38annadaneroot's environment is also less likely to be muddled compared to my unprivileged user
22:04.47somiajyou may also make sure you have installed the package build-essential
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22:05.41MawsThnx, at least is seem that it installed properly :), cheers!
22:07.16annadane"For backward compatibility, su defaults to not change the current directory and to only set the environment variables HOME and SHELL (plus USER and LOGNAME if the target user is not root).  It is recommended to always use the --login option (instead of its shortcut  -)  to  avoid  side  effects caused by mixing environments."
22:07.32annadanewell, shit.
22:09.10annadanedespite the fact - -l and --login are all listed as equivalent, under options
22:09.41MawsGuess I need to do a restart to get this mod loaded.....:)
22:10.58somiajor just modprobe
22:12.04annadanewhatever then, guess i'll use su for generic reasons and su --login when i need something in sbin
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22:12.23annadanei don't think i do anything wacky with my environments in any case, both should be fine
22:12.49somiajyea, most people make very little use of their enviorment outside of say PATH, HOME, and a few other small things
22:13.28somiajBut very little software these days uses enviorment variables to get settings, or if it does, users don't use it.
22:13.29annadaneit's just tracking it that becomes an issue, if you do something in january and then forget about it and then in june you use the "wrong" invocation of root, and end up screwing something up irreparably...
22:13.30voldialAnyone see my mistake? I cant get gpg to use a proxy. The docs and everything I find online seem to indicate that --keyserver-options "http-proxy=http://192.168.222.100:8888" should work: https://bpaste.net/show/t6NL
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22:15.49annadaneor i can just set up sudo for myself i guess...
22:16.18annadanei got recommended for the longest time "always use su - instead of su" so now i'm confused :P
22:16.33annadaneeven more confused by - vs --login
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22:17.35Mawsis it /etc/init.d/rc.local or /etc/rc.local  I need to edit to get a driver loading on restart ?
22:17.56Maws(what's the difference ?)
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22:18.21annadanei think the unprivileged user's environment is prone to change more frequently and is more immediately familiar to the user so you should just probably use su unless you require a utility in /sbin, and use root's environment for particular edge cases that you know you need
22:18.55annadanejust a cleaner separation that way
22:19.49annadaneset up an alias such that su is normal and 'sul' or whatever is su --login and you're golden, less typing
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22:20.08Mawshmm, didn's go to well, trying to load the driver "modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'snx': Exec format error"
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22:22.17annadaneit seems counterintuitive, because why use the *user* environment as *root*... but i feel that's probably good general advice, but this is just conjecture
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22:27.02somiajannadane: maybe you need enviroment variables that you ahve setup as that user, but to run an operation as root. Again edge case which is why the manual you linked say most cases use -l
22:27.48annadanethe su man page doesn't say most cases use -l, unless i just can't read
22:29.00annadaneit says use --login instead of - to avoid mixing environments but it's also a linguistic ambiguity because it's not clear whether the man page means "always assume root's environment in general" or "always use --login instead of -l" or both
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22:29.44annadanei believe it means the former, always have a consistent root environment... but to use --login rather than - or -l
22:30.11annadanewhich is still confusing, because it doesn't tell you *why*... and if you scroll down to options - -l and --login are all listed as having the same capabilities
22:31.27annadanealso, this su man page is dated july 2014, before the Buster changes
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22:31.45annadaneso i think *something* is off the rails here, a little bit
22:32.27xtc_what are you trying to achieve?
22:32.58annadanehttps://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster does recommend su -, further contradicting the man page
22:33.22xtc_just work as root
22:33.23somiajannadane: as the factoid said, this has always been the case, buster is just now enforcing it
22:33.25xtc_no probs
22:33.53somiajbasically the command was allowing users to use it how it was not enteded and this 'bug' was fixed in buster
22:34.12somiajunsure if this was due to some patch in debian, or upstream.
22:35.29annadaneso much is shoved into /sbin anyway, it's practically worth it to just always use su -, edge cases be damned... i just guess the fear is that if you forget about something critical in your environment you'll end up doing something really bad
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22:36.34somiajthe only thing in sbin should be stuff that requires root. In my expreince ifconfig was the only thing that was in /sbin that I would want to run as anormal user, since ifconfig can give you info on intefraces as a normal user, but can't modify.
22:36.37annadanei guess because *more* changes in the user environment - users set environment variables regularly - it's better to just assume the root environment as it's cleaner
22:36.47annadaneso anyway, sorry for rambling
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22:36.54_ioannisI had the same issue somiaj so I started using ip
22:37.04_ioannisit seems to be the next thing either way?
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22:37.39annadanewell, ip is deprecated IIRC
22:37.47_ioannis:O
22:37.53somiaj_ioannis: yea, ip has replaced ifocnfig
22:37.54annadaneifconfig is meant to be the replacement
22:37.55somiajannadane: you are backawrds
22:37.59annadaneoh, oops.
22:38.02_ioannisdid you
22:38.02annadaneright.
22:38.03_ioannisyeah
22:38.04_ioannishaha
22:38.16annadanemy memory is swiss cheese
22:38.34_ioannisI used to feel the same with systemd
22:38.39_ioannisbut now I love it
22:39.03_ioannisnow to figure out that NetworkManager error :( I don't like having errors in logs :(
22:40.35annadaneanyway i think i have it backwards, i think one should use su - for generic system tasks and su for edge cases... but it still confuses me that the su man page directly tells you to use --login and not - when they're both listed as having the same behavior, but again that man page is also from 2014, years before whatever changes buster introduced
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22:41.02annadanei think *someone* isn't on the right page
22:41.09annadaneprobably worth a bug report
22:42.10_ioannismight be worth to start a discussion at least?
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22:50.14annadanewe need a 'becomerootpls' and if you're trying to do something you're not allowed to the system tells you 'dothisinsteadyouidiot'
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22:53.00LtLannadane: it does that, always has.
22:53.19annadaneyeah, i know.
22:53.27LtLkk
22:56.11LtLi'm just surprised this whole 'su -' thing is such a big deal. like somiaj said, buster just enforces it as far as root goes. 'su username' is the 'other way to use 'su'
22:56.40alei11808
22:57.13LtLbut 'su root' is a bad idea imo, never did it.
22:57.31annadanejust su by itself you mean
22:57.37LtLyes
22:57.43annadanemhm
22:58.04annadanei guess i'm just confused why the man page says use --login instead of - or -l when it goes on to describe that they're the same things
22:58.06somiajI just think most didn't realize the differnce between su username and su - username
22:58.10LtLyou can become another user that way, and 'cd' to their directory.
22:58.34annadanewell, only if you know their password, but point taken
22:58.42LtLyes annadane
22:58.47somiajsince their limited use of su, and the fact it changed the PATH in the past didn't affect them.
22:59.00somiajyou don't have to know their password if you are root
22:59.13somiajI use su - username all the time as root on systems I manage to beomce other users to check things out
22:59.19_ioannisI happened to need that function today, su from root to my main user
22:59.25annadanebut yeah the root environment will intrinsically be cleaner so it makes sense to do system administration in there especially as buster has now introduced this change
23:00.07somiajannadane: I have no clue what (if any) the differences between using -l and - is, maybe it is a shell thing and it just clearn to use full conflig flags vs a single dash
23:00.18LtLwhen uncertain about environment, type 'env'
23:00.40annadane-i isn't an option, apparently
23:00.42annadanei think in sudo it is
23:01.03LtLyup with sudo, login versus interactive
23:01.44somiajI wonder how many users actually take avantage of the login vs interactive shells, my experince is very few.
23:01.49annadanebut read 'man su', it says basically "please use --login and not -" then proceeds to list - -l and --login as equivalent, doing exactly the same things
23:01.54annadaneit directly contradicts itself
23:02.03LtLsad that the manpages aren't accurate as well
23:02.12annadaneand in any case is from 2014, before the buster changes
23:02.45annadaneso anyway i'll file a bug report on that
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23:04.10somiajno google hits on 'su -' vs 'su -l' differences that i got
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23:04.31LtLthis is controversial, but my user $PATH is pretty much the same as root's.
23:04.42annadanegoogle also ignores a bunch of your terms so google isn't the best source probably
23:04.54annadaneuse like, startpage
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23:05.18somiajannadane: my man page in stretch clearly explainst he differences, "When - is used, it must be specified before any username. For portability it is recommended to use it as last option, before any username. The other forms (-l and --login) do not have this restriction."
23:05.48annadaneright, in buster it doesn't say that
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23:06.16_ioannisis it related to Preserve  the  entire  environment,  i.e. it does not set HOME, SHELL, USER nor LOGNAME.  This option is ignored if the option --login is specified.
23:06.30_ioannisbecause it specifically says it's ignored if --login is specified
23:06.44_ioannisjust trying to understand what " to avoid  side  ef‐
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23:07.36annadanehttps://manpages.debian.org/buster/util-linux/su.1.en.html also links it as 'util-linux' and if i try putting in stretch instead of buster it just redirects to buster
23:07.44annadanei wonder if the man page 'path' changed, or something
23:08.04annadane(and stretch isn't listed as an option in the sidebar)
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23:08.30annadaneso they... changed what man page it's "under" and then used the old one from 2014? i don't know
23:08.43LtL,file bin/man
23:08.49juddSearch for bin/man in buster/amd64: man-db: usr/bin/man
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23:09.49annadaneanna@debian:~$ dpkg -S su.1 util-linux: /usr/share/man/man1/su.1.gz
23:12.10annadanei just think the man page is wrong, i'm filing a report
23:12.18LtLthis box is a jessie to stretch to buster dist-upgrade, still seems to find everything :)
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23:21.07LtLJuly 2014 su manpage is kinda funny/sad though.
23:22.14LtLI think many man pages are antiquated to some degree.
23:22.48LtLi won't even mention the wiki.
23:22.56red__you just did.
23:23.26LtLnothing gets by you red__ ;)
23:23.47red__:D
23:23.54annadanewe need a debian documentation manhattan project
23:23.58annadanejust update evetything
23:24.47_ioannis:O
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23:38.05Eryn_1983_FLoh great and powerful ones,
23:38.22Eryn_1983_FLwhy have you forsaken me? apt-get install openjdk-8-jre why is is there no package?
23:38.33Eryn_1983_FLhas openjdk angered the Debian Gods?
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23:39.23somiaj,v openjdk-8-jre
23:39.24juddPackage: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 -- stretch: 8u222-b10-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 8u222-b10-1~deb9u1; sid: 8u232-b07-2
23:39.38somiajEryn_1983_FL: oracle has dropped security support on that, so it is not in buster
23:39.50somiajuse java 10
23:39.55somiaj,v openjdk-10-jre
23:39.56juddNo package named 'openjdk-10-jre' was found in amd64.
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23:40.24somiaj,v openjdk-11-jre
23:40.25juddPackage: openjdk-11-jre on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 11.0.4+11-1~bpo9+1; buster: 11.0.4+11-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 11.0.4+11-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 11.0.5+6-2; sid: 11.0.5+6-2
23:40.27somiajsorry use version 11
23:41.52_ioannisSorry for asking again but perhaps someone else is looking now, I'm seeing ((src/settings/nm-settings-connection.c:361)): assertion '<dropped>' failed
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23:42.11_ioannisGoogling didn't help much, if anyone has any ideas I would appreciate it :)
23:42.49Eryn_1983_FLwhat if my package cant use 11?
23:42.51somiajI'm unsure, what network card, could you be missing firmware? Is it wifi/wired, do you have this card mentioned in your interfaces file?
23:43.00Eryn_1983_FLwhat if i only get support for 8 not 11 on my tool?
23:43.10somiajEryn_1983_FL: then you are on your own, download 8 and put it in /opt, or just use stretch
23:43.16Eryn_1983_FLhmmm
23:43.21_ioannissomiaj: It has an onboard wired and wireless card but I'm specifically asked it to ignore the wifi
23:43.24somiajbut I don't think even oracle supports java 8 anymore, your app needs to update
23:43.28_ioannisI've*
23:43.37Eryn_1983_FLindeed so does the rest of my company lol
23:43.50_ioannisWired works fine
23:44.12_ioannisWireless I don't really care/don't want it :D
23:44.14somiajjava is even up to version 13 now
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23:44.35somiajEryn_1983_FL: well that is why people still run stretch and stretch will have lts support for another 2-3 years, so there is time
23:44.47Eryn_1983_FLok
23:44.52BCMMEryn_1983_FL: then you should talk to whoever maintains that package, because java 8 is dying in general, not just in debian.
23:44.56somiajbut if you want an older version of java in buster, you have to install/manage this yourself, and also be incharge of security issues (of which there are lots)
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23:45.20somiajjava seems to have multiple secirty issues that are always being fixed, and oracles policy is only fix the current version
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23:45.52Eryn_1983_FLi think it was cloverdx that was pissy about it,
23:46.01Eryn_1983_FLthey only wanted 8 not 11,
23:46.07Eryn_1983_FLand im like come on!
23:46.25Eryn_1983_FLno worries i dont need it here
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23:47.50somiajEryn_1983_FL: yea, oracle is kinda a pain here, they do provide much better support for their closed java (which you often have to pay for), but the openjdk only gets support for recent versions
23:48.04Eryn_1983_FLyeah
23:48.06somiajif your company is going to stick with java 8, you may want to have them pay for oracles version and install that
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23:48.47somiajinstalling that in /opt and setting up links or JAVA_HOME and various enviorment variables will work just fine
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23:49.58Eryn_1983_FLyeah i think i did that
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23:57.44ThedarkbI'm running Debian Buster but I need libpng12-0
23:58.20ThedarkbI've been trying to install it from a deb, but I keep getting this error:
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