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| 00:02.04 | LtL | ryouma: you realize gkrellm can run separate themes than you use on your desktop. |
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| 00:05.43 | DanteD | I have this script at /etc/modprobe.d/i915-pwm.conf: "install i915 /usr/bin/intelpwm; /sbin/modprobe i915 --ignore-install", but it stopped executing the /usr/bin/intelpwm after upgrading from Stretch to Buster, any idea what changed that broke it? |
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| 00:17.05 | saptech | what is the command to search the source repos for a file? |
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| 00:19.14 | LtL | saptech: probably good to d deb-src lines to sources.list but not mandatory, you can use https://sources.debian.org/ |
| 00:19.32 | LtL | *add deb-src |
| 00:19.51 | saptech | yes I have it listed |
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| 00:20.43 | LtL | apt-get source packagename |
| 00:20.55 | saptech | thanks |
| 00:21.02 | LtL | sure |
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| 00:23.07 | LtL | well, saptech thats ot the search function you asked for, probably apt-get search |
| 00:24.00 | saptech | would I include 'source' with it? |
| 00:24.21 | saptech | apt-get search source pkgname? |
| 00:24.30 | saptech | is that how it work |
| 00:25.17 | LtL | uh, no. |
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| 00:26.27 | LtL | apt-get source packagename i don't see a search function, apt or apt-get search pkgname, then apt-get source package will download to pwd. |
| 00:26.58 | saptech | ok |
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| 00:28.57 | cstls | hi, i'm getting an error "ERROR: @wl_notify_scan_status:" right after GNOME Display manager is about to start, and then boot just hangs while this error repeats. anyone have any ideas? |
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| 00:32.18 | Unit193 | Are you on stable? |
| 00:32.40 | cstls | testing |
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| 00:33.13 | Unit193 | #941782 |
| 00:33.14 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/941782 in gir1.2-gnomedesktop-3.0 (open, upstream): «gnome-shell files on start: "JS ERROR: Error: No property filename on GnomeBGSlideShow"»; severity: serious; opened: 2019-10-05; last modified: 2019-10-06. |
| 00:33.32 | Unit193 | (Or is that a different issue?) |
| 00:33.41 | LtL | !testing |
| 00:33.41 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <bullseye>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <buster->bullseye> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 00:33.51 | cstls | i think that's separate. this is related to my wireless, i'm pretty sure |
| 00:34.11 | warsoul | when the next debian is coming out? |
| 00:34.33 | cstls | booted into recovery mode and ran the rest of dist upgrade but still no luck |
| 00:34.35 | LtL | cstls: googling your error reveals many results. |
| 00:34.53 | LtL | warsoul: 2 years or more |
| 00:35.21 | warsoul | whats the name? |
| 00:35.30 | LtL | bullseye |
| 00:35.44 | warsoul | weird name lol |
| 00:36.13 | LtL | not for an archer or sniper etc. |
| 00:36.33 | warsoul | LtL you know about neofetch? |
| 00:36.50 | LtL | warsoul: i have it, it has a manpage |
| 00:37.39 | warsoul | how can i add it when i open terminal |
| 00:37.39 | Unit193 | cstls: Aha, OK. |
| 00:38.00 | LtL | warsoul: why would you want to! |
| 00:38.31 | warsoul | looks cool to me lol |
| 00:38.51 | martigan | judd, what happened that cused you to get that error? I updated a kali VM last night and when I went to spin it up today I could only boot into recovery as well and couldn't figure out a way to get it working. |
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| 00:39.24 | martigan | Ended up reinstalling, now some gnome packages are being kept back on the fresh install. |
| 00:39.28 | warsoul | martigan, judd is a bot. |
| 00:39.35 | martigan | doh |
| 00:40.19 | LtL | warsoul: nano .bashrc type eofetch at the bottom of the file |
| 00:40.26 | LtL | neofetch |
| 00:40.46 | martigan | What causes packages to be kept back? I just signed on and coulnd't see any scrollback from before that message. |
| 00:40.54 | martigan | What causes packages to be held back? |
| 00:41.31 | dsal | Hi. Can anyone help me get syslog working? I'm using rsyslogd, which used to work on this particular machine. I'm not entirely sure what changed, but nothing that tries to log to /dev/log or whatever works anymore. |
| 00:41.32 | LtL | martigan: do a #apt full-upgrade see 8if that helps |
| 00:42.21 | warsoul | LtL, thanks... |
| 00:42.54 | LtL | warsoul: yep |
| 00:43.16 | LtL | dsal: what does this say, $ systemctl status rsyslog.service |
| 00:43.37 | dsal | LtL: it says it's fine -- the process is up. It doesn't appear to be listening to any domain sockets, though. |
| 00:44.12 | dsal | Except whatever this is: rsyslogd 12702 root 3u unix 0xd6451cc0 0t0 422 /run/systemd/journal/syslog type=DGRAM |
| 00:44.32 | LtL | dsal: try restarting as root |
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| 00:45.05 | dsal | Hmm... there are four sockets in that directory. /dev/log points to a different one. |
| 00:45.07 | warsoul | LtL, https://termbin.com/2zh3 |
| 00:45.13 | warsoul | is this a good source list? |
| 00:45.59 | LtL | warsoul: i would add contrib and non-free to backports, can't hurt. |
| 00:46.14 | LtL | warsoul: but yes looks good |
| 00:47.02 | dsal | Well, ln -sf pointing to the thing it's actually listening to worked. I don't understand how it got that way, though. |
| 00:47.38 | LtL | dsal: check /var/log/syslog and messages maybe |
| 00:48.44 | dsal | Almost nothing was logging there until I fixed that symlink. Kind of odd. I guess rubber ducky? :/ |
| 00:48.58 | dsal | I was also trying to get systemd-journald working, which, AFAICT, also doesn't work. |
| 00:49.58 | warsoul | LtL, deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports main contrib non-free |
| 00:50.00 | warsoul | like this? |
| 00:50.02 | dsal | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/iaPIe5Be/systemd-journald |
| 00:52.22 | martigan | LtL, https://termbin.com/v755 they are a couple of gnome packages, I can also try --with-new-pkgs right? I have no idea why my other kali vm wont launch the gnome desktop but now a fresh install is having issues with gnome packages. What causes them to be kept back? I'm worried I'm going to update this one and have the same issue. |
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| 00:54.03 | dsal | NoNewPrivileges=no fixed that... but also seems a little sketchy. |
| 00:54.14 | martigan | no luck with full-upgrade either. |
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| 01:02.24 | ryouma | LtL: yes, i know gkrellm has its own themes. never was able to delve into that (didn't find good ergo themes or had trouble getting them to work) |
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| 01:15.51 | LtL | warsoul: like that yes |
| 01:16.42 | LtL | martigan: Try apt-get dist-upgrade -after- a update upgrade |
| 01:18.15 | LtL | martigan: if you're on kali, all bets off, we can't help, we don't know it. |
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| 01:19.41 | LtL | dsal: no idea why journaling doesn't work. |
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| 01:20.15 | martigan | Ya, I just looked at my history and I did dist-upgrade first. And ya it's in a kali vm that gave me the issue. I just logged in here and saw the same error I had so I started asking about it. I know this isn't the spot for kali support but thanks for the help anyway. :) |
| 01:20.22 | dsal | LtL: It worked when I turned off NoNewPrivileges. The more I understand about systemd, the less I understand about systemd. |
| 01:20.35 | LtL | dsal: i feel ya |
| 01:21.11 | LtL | martigan: yeah, good luck |
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| 01:59.52 | bit1 | hello, I've an issue: `/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/librt.so.1' for IFUNC symbol `clock_gettime' . Any hint? please! |
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| 02:03.03 | karlpinc | !errors |
| 02:03.03 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>. |
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| 02:04.26 | bit1 | karlpinc, no problems, it seems, I've solved it, I can't be able to login as root user: su - su: Relink `/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_systemd.so' with `/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/librt.so.1' for IFUNC symbol `clock_gettime' |
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| 02:07.22 | bit1 | thanks :-) |
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| 02:36.32 | ryouma | can i presume these warnings are innocuous? i have no parallel port that i know of. "2019-10-07 15:28:20-0700 napoleon2 kernel: parport 0x378 (WARNING): CTR: wrote 0x0c, read 0xff 2019-10-07 15:28:20-0700 napoleon2 kernel: parport 0x378 (WARNING): DATA: wrote 0xaa, read 0xff 2019-10-07 15:28:20-0700 napoleon2 kernel: parport 0x378: You gave this address, but there is probably no parallel port there!" |
| 02:36.38 | ryouma | (google was not too useful) |
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| 02:48.59 | warsoul | how to unzip a *.zip file on terminal |
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| 02:49.03 | warsoul | trying unzip file |
| 02:49.13 | warsoul | -bash: unzip: command not found |
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| 02:50.55 | dvs | dpkg: info unzip |
| 02:50.58 | dpkg | unzip: (De-archiver for .zip files), section utils, is optional. Version: 6.0-25 (sid), Packaged size: 167 kB, Installed size: 602 kB |
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| 02:53.52 | karlpinc | warsoul: You have to install the package. |
| 02:54.25 | warsoul | configure: error: Cannot find flex. |
| 02:54.30 | warsoul | having this error on terminel |
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| 02:54.33 | warsoul | after ./configure |
| 02:54.46 | karlpinc | warsoul: Of what? |
| 02:54.53 | dvs | omg are you try to build unzip? |
| 02:54.59 | warsoul | ircd |
| 02:56.15 | dvs | dpkg: info ircd-irc2 |
| 02:56.17 | dpkg | ircd-irc2: (The original IRC server daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 2.11.2p3~dfsg-5 (sid), Packaged size: 427 kB, Installed size: 819 kB |
| 02:57.17 | warsoul | i all ready download |
| 02:57.25 | warsoul | but when i type ./configure |
| 02:57.28 | karlpinc | warsoul: You probably want to install the build-essentials package. But really, why build and not install from apt? (And it's a good idea to build in a dbootstrap chroot to keep from cluttering up your system with .dev packages.) |
| 02:57.28 | warsoul | im getting this error |
| 02:57.59 | warsoul | karlpinc how can i do that? |
| 02:58.25 | karlpinc | warsoul: How did you install zip? |
| 02:59.13 | warsoul | sudo apt install unzip |
| 02:59.20 | warsoul | then unzip file.zip |
| 02:59.21 | dvs | so.... |
| 02:59.31 | warsoul | cd file |
| 02:59.47 | karlpinc | warsoul: Well, that will work for installing the ircd-irc2 package just like it works for installing the unzip package. |
| 03:00.09 | warsoul | then i type ./configure |
| 03:00.19 | warsoul | configure: error: Cannot find flex. |
| 03:00.27 | karlpinc | warsoul: You should probably read the don't break debian (and maybe debiansoftware) wiki page(s). |
| 03:00.40 | karlpinc | !don't break debian |
| 03:00.40 | dpkg | from memory, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 03:01.06 | karlpinc | warsoul: Are you paying attention? : sudo apt install ircd-irc2 |
| 03:01.22 | dvs | karlpinc, nope, no more spoonfeeding for me. |
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| 03:01.54 | warsoul | karlpinc i think has to be the same file that i have because is to link to a network |
| 03:02.12 | warsoul | not sure |
| 03:02.39 | karlpinc | warsoul: Why do you think that? |
| 03:03.09 | warsoul | im installing it |
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| 03:03.34 | warsoul | because of this u2.10.12.14+EvilNET(1.0) |
| 03:03.50 | karlpinc | warsoul: "this"? |
| 03:04.25 | warsoul | on the application of the network says to download that file |
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| 03:05.14 | karlpinc | warsoul: If you're going to follow random instructions you're going to get random results. What is "the application of the network"? |
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| 03:05.50 | warsoul | the application of the network i want to link my ircd server |
| 03:06.23 | karlpinc | warsoul: That is not an English sentence. |
| 03:06.26 | theciaguy | Now I know what aphasia feels like. |
| 03:06.55 | karlpinc | warsoul: If you tell us your native language we can direct you to a debian support channel in that language. |
| 03:07.11 | warsoul | spanish |
| 03:07.19 | karlpinc | !es |
| 03:07.20 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
| 03:07.51 | karlpinc | warsoul: You're free to ask here too, but we need to be able to understand. |
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| 03:09.05 | karlpinc | warsoul: An irc server should be able to support clients on an irc network. Debian patches security problems in Debian stable, so whatever server you install from the Debian repos should be secure. |
| 03:09.39 | warsoul | ok |
| 03:09.52 | warsoul | thanks |
| 03:09.56 | warsoul | for your time |
| 03:10.28 | karlpinc | You're welcome. We're here to help. (And English is hard, these days even for native English speakers.) |
| 03:10.47 | warsoul | had an error when sudo apt install ircd-irc2 |
| 03:10.58 | warsoul | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 03:10.58 | warsoul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:11.10 | annadane | !paste |
| 03:11.10 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 03:11.13 | annadane | !bat |
| 03:11.13 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 03:13.02 | warsoul | https://paste.debian.net/1105271/ |
| 03:13.39 | annadane | oh okay, we don't really need !bat then |
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| 03:16.03 | warsoul | annadane, you look at the paste? |
| 03:16.36 | annadane | yeah but i don't know how to fix the problem |
| 03:16.56 | warsoul | ok thanks |
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| 03:37.45 | LaScoumoune | Hi all, i have a question, is it possible to make like a chroot enviro fail (no network, no lib host etc..) for testing a file, lile a binary, or other ? |
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| 03:38.46 | LaScoumoune | fail* = jail |
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| 03:40.54 | mason | So, I'm thinking about AMD vs nVidia for a video card replacement, with Steam gaming being a goal, and I'm wondering if the AMD support in 4.19 is sufficient for this. |
| 03:41.57 | mason | It's been years since I can a Radeon with Debian, and it was before the free software drivers. Random things I'm reading say that things changed as of Linux 5.0. |
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| 03:46.26 | mason | Don't everyone rush to answer. If you do, maybe point me to https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/x-server-does-not-start-on-debian-10-buster-with-amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt-4175661956/ as that seems relevant. |
| 03:47.52 | warsoul | whats the command line to make a second file? |
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| 04:03.11 | annadane | warsoul, touch |
| 04:03.16 | annadane | but your question isn't entirely clear |
| 04:03.28 | warsoul | found it |
| 04:03.33 | warsoul | cp file newname |
| 04:03.37 | warsoul | thanks |
| 04:03.44 | annadane | sure, or that |
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| 04:10.19 | warsoul | annadane where i can get help running ircu |
| 04:10.36 | warsoul | i think i did everything all ready and configure the ircd.conf file |
| 04:10.44 | warsoul | now i need to run it but dont know the command line |
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| 04:17.49 | annadane | ,i ircd-irc2 |
| 04:17.51 | judd | Package ircd-irc2 (net, optional) in buster/amd64: The original IRC server daemon. Version: 2.11.2p3~dfsg-5; Size: 420.0k; Installed: 796k; Homepage: http://www.irc.org/ |
| 04:18.08 | annadane | i don't know whether it's a standalone client or not |
| 04:18.25 | annadane | you can try whereis ircd-irc2 to see if it's in /usr/bin, aka if it's a binary that you can launch |
| 04:19.04 | Unit193 | Seems like a strange choice for an IRCd. |
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| 04:29.27 | warsoul | hey |
| 04:29.36 | warsoul | ircd is running in my server |
| 04:29.42 | warsoul | when i type ps x |
| 04:29.48 | warsoul | dont see the process |
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| 04:30.54 | annadane | well you did just have the unit fail earlier |
| 04:31.03 | annadane | in the pastebin you posted |
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| 04:31.27 | annadane | https://paste.debian.net/1105271/ |
| 04:31.35 | warsoul | https://paste.debian.net/1105281/ |
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| 04:33.32 | annadane | i tend to use ps aux anyhow, but yeah, you didn't get an answer for how to correct your earlier problems |
| 04:35.39 | warsoul | https://paste.debian.net/1105284/ |
| 04:35.43 | warsoul | dont see ircd |
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| 04:37.21 | warsoul | i want to kill the process |
| 04:38.02 | annadane | irc 14004 0.0 0.8 38864 16492 ? S Oct07 0:00 /usr/sbin/ircd |
| 04:38.10 | Unit193 | Line 90 |
| 04:38.28 | annadane | also, use grep to search for text |
| 04:38.39 | annadane | ps aux | grep ircd |
| 04:39.29 | annadane | 'man ps' also has different options to list processes |
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| 04:45.38 | warsoul | annadane, thanks |
| 04:46.17 | annadane | i don't even know what ircd is or why anyone would want it but that's another discussion |
| 04:47.03 | Unit193 | IRC daemon, aka an IRC server? Because IRC is awesome. |
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| 05:08.02 | annadane | how trivial is it to shrink a debian install using the installer so i can install another distro with the remaining space? |
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| 05:14.33 | jim | annadane, well if it's just a matter of how much storage space you have, you can start looking at df |
| 05:14.49 | jim | how much free space do you have? |
| 05:15.22 | annadane | 854G on this, my debian install... "free", i mean, it's all currently used up by debian stable |
| 05:16.21 | jim | and, if other than that, you also have -unpartitioned- space, you can use that directly (if it's enough to have the installation of the dist you want) |
| 05:16.55 | jim | did you put the stable into just one partition? |
| 05:16.59 | annadane | okay, but can i trim the 854 into something smaller, i just don't know if the installer can do it |
| 05:17.06 | annadane | yeah i set it to use my entire computer |
| 05:17.18 | mohnish | Can someone help me? Whenever I install or remove a package using apt, it gives me the following error: dpkg: error processing package libmariadbclient18:amd64 (--configure): |
| 05:17.19 | mohnish | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.26 | jim | sec |
| 05:17.30 | mohnish | But, the installed packages run fine |
| 05:18.15 | jim | mohnish, how did you get this libmariadbclient18? |
| 05:18.30 | mohnish | jim: I have no idea |
| 05:18.44 | mohnish | jim: Is it even important, can I just remove it? |
| 05:18.44 | jim | ok, what did you do? |
| 05:19.02 | jim | do you use mariadb? |
| 05:19.18 | mohnish | jim: I don't know what mariadb is |
| 05:19.27 | jim | oh ok |
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| 05:19.31 | annadane | anyway it's fine jim i'll just tinker around with it |
| 05:19.31 | mohnish | jim: Can I just remove it? |
| 05:19.44 | jim | what were you trying to do when you got this error? |
| 05:19.50 | annadane | i think i'd rather have it in a vm anyway |
| 05:20.16 | jim | annadane, are you using lvm? |
| 05:20.18 | mohnish | jim: It just appears whenever I install or remove a package using apt |
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| 05:20.36 | annadane | nope |
| 05:20.36 | mohnish | jim: The packages I install run fine with no problem |
| 05:20.49 | mohnish | jim: Can I remove it? |
| 05:21.07 | jim | mohnish, ok... do you have nc? (do you get anything from 'which nc'?) |
| 05:21.23 | mohnish | jim: what's nc? |
| 05:21.24 | jim | just a sec, don't remove anything yet |
| 05:21.31 | mohnish | okay |
| 05:22.01 | jim | netcat (we can use it to pastebin outputs of commands) |
| 05:22.04 | mohnish | I tried "which nc" it give me output: /usr/bin/nc |
| 05:22.13 | mohnish | jim: ^^ |
| 05:22.15 | jim | good... so it is installed |
| 05:22.27 | mohnish | yeah, I guess |
| 05:23.46 | jim | annadane, maybe you can shrink your filesystem... depending on what kind it is, then shrink the containing partition, then you |
| 05:24.15 | jim | would have unpartitioned space, which it's likely this other installer can use |
| 05:24.22 | mohnish | jim: So, what should I do? |
| 05:24.24 | annadane | ext4, but it's fine, i'd rather not mess around with it on second thought |
| 05:25.11 | jim | annadane, usually I ask folks if a new/spare drive is in their future |
| 05:25.37 | jim | or whether they have a spare drive already |
| 05:26.01 | jim | if so, maybe you can install the new dist to that |
| 05:26.19 | mohnish | jim: ? |
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| 05:26.54 | jim | mohnish, there's a pastebin site called termbin.com... works like this: if you have nc installed, you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command, for example ls -CF if you run it like this: ls -CF | nc termbin.com 9999. |
| 05:27.28 | mohnish | okay, what would that do? |
| 05:27.34 | jim | termbin will show you a url when it's done pastebinning |
| 05:28.02 | jim | run this: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 05:28.44 | mohnish | jim: https://termbin.com/qclx |
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| 05:30.32 | jim | mohnish, ok... so, it looks like you're running kali, which is a special-purpose dist that |
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| 05:30.39 | jim | is based on debian |
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| 05:35.29 | annadane | !kali |
| 05:35.30 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 05:35.36 | annadane | oh, they're gone. |
| 05:35.54 | annadane | must i turn on joins/parts? |
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| 05:53.09 | SwedeMike | https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/porting/apps-on-arm-troubleshooting-x86 |
| 05:53.17 | SwedeMike | oh, sorry, wrong channel |
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| 05:57.13 | annadane | sacrilege |
| 06:00.55 | jim | annadane, what did you decide to do? |
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| 06:02.57 | annadane | oh just run it in a vm |
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| 06:26.58 | jim | what is the difference between discover and synaptic? |
| 06:27.38 | themill | in the context of them both being pretty broken, little |
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| 06:36.35 | GNU\colossus | on a number of Buster hosts, I upgrade openssh (where /etc/openssh/sshd_config was modified manually) like this: apt-get -qq -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confold install --only-upgrade openssh-sftp-server openssh-server openssh-client |
| 06:37.08 | GNU\colossus | and that puts me in the interactive "Package configuration" screen, where I can choose to "keep the local version currently installed" |
| 06:37.16 | GNU\colossus | what do I need to do to make this action the default? |
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| 06:43.51 | themill | exporting "UCF_FORCE_CONFFOLD=true" IIRC |
| 06:44.26 | GNU\colossus | dpkg's manual tells me I also want to set --force-confdef |
| 06:45.48 | GNU\colossus | I will tias |
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| 06:46.04 | themill | and ucf don't get along that well |
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| 06:46.59 | TomTheDragon | is there an unofficial, bleeding-edge mesa repo? I'm kind of wanting to play with debian proper (arm64) on my rpi3b but lack of an up to date mesa is killing it. |
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| 06:55.05 | GNU\colossus | now I am running `apt-get -qq -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confold -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confdef install --only-upgrade openssh-sftp-server openssh-server openssh-client`, and I _still_ get prompted... |
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| 06:58.09 | GNU\colossus | themill, your approach seems effective |
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| 06:58.15 | GNU\colossus | but I don't understand why |
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| 06:59.35 | themill | !ucf |
| 06:59.35 | dpkg | ucf (Update Configuration File) is a framework used by packages to allow intelligent merging of modified configuration files with maintainer changes in postinst scripts. See apt-cache show ucf; or /usr/share/doc/ucf/ for more information. See also <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 07:00.21 | themill | it's a different way of dealing with config file updates and so there's yet another thing to disable if you want confold. |
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| 07:00.44 | GNU\colossus | I see. I was not aware that there's something outside of dpkg itself dealing with that business |
| 07:00.54 | GNU\colossus | TIL. thank you! |
| 07:01.57 | dgriffi | Frotz 2.50 is ready for beta |
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| 07:17.51 | DanteD | From stretch->buster upgrade script at /etc/modprobe.d/i915.conf stopped working, any idea why? (install i915 /usr/bin/intelpwm; /sbin/modprobe i915 --ignore-install) it doesn't run intelpwm anymore. |
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| 07:18.50 | zigol | http://dpaste.com/24GYEW9 |
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| 07:18.55 | zigol | can someone help me :) |
| 07:19.39 | zigol | if possible |
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| 07:20.04 | themill | zigol: I think you should read the docs for that |
| 07:20.35 | zamuro | !anyone |
| 07:20.35 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 07:20.38 | zamuro | !help |
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| 07:22.37 | zigol | dude |
| 07:22.45 | zigol | ive read it and i am applying it |
| 07:22.54 | zigol | but says deps not found :/ |
| 07:23.40 | zigol | go get -u github.com/golang/dep/cmd/dep |
| 07:23.42 | zigol | ive done it |
| 07:23.45 | zigol | but no sucess |
| 07:24.42 | themill | your paste doesn't show that; it mostly shows a pile of typos |
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| 07:27.08 | zigol | shut up |
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| 07:27.30 | Haohmaru | now now |
| 07:29.22 | DanteD | Alternatively, can I somehow run a script before kernel modules are (auto) loaded? |
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| 07:30.21 | zigol | make a load modules.d folder :D |
| 07:30.51 | zigol | a cron service |
| 07:30.53 | zigol | at boot time |
| 07:31.03 | bensons | hi. i am trying to do a pxe install of debian buster. while it worked fine for the past debian releases, buster main_menu segfaults at random points during the installation. anyone has experienced that as well? |
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| 07:35.43 | dgriffi | bensons: last time I ran into that, there was a hangup of 32-bit versus 64-bit |
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| 07:36.58 | DanteD | I think I found out the problem, the script I wanted to run when loading i915 is not in initrd.img but i915 module is. Still no idea why this broke between stretch->buster |
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| 07:37.24 | DanteD | maybe they moved i915 loading earlier to initramfs |
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| 07:38.21 | themill | Sounds like it's worth checking /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf and /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 07:38.41 | themill | For reasons I don't recall, I have «i915 modeset=1» in the latter. |
| 07:40.18 | bensons | dgriffi: hm let me check.. |
| 07:41.17 | dgriffi | bensons: another problem I had WRT that is that somehow the new installer didn't like the initrd.gz and vmlinuz files |
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| 07:42.49 | gour | morning |
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| 07:45.24 | gour | yesterday I did update my father-in-law's machine from Jester to Buster (GNOME) and today he reported me that some of his legal docs (bank statements) do not print properly. I have reported that bug 1.5yrs ago and some dev hhas created anonym. attachement (see https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/cairo/cairo/issues/13) |
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| 07:46.06 | gour | i'm on sid and, of course, the bug is still there, so wonder if reporting it to Debian could help pushing upstream to fix it? |
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| 07:47.31 | bensons | dgriffi: colleague solved it, its https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=932939 ... solution is to remove console=tty0 from initrd line |
| 07:47.32 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/932939 in installation-reports (open, d-i): «installation-reports: Buster failing to install over network with Preseed»; severity: important; opened: 2019-07-24; last modified: 2019-10-01. |
| 07:47.47 | bensons | dgriffi: pretty obvious... NOT :) |
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| 07:48.25 | dgriffi | bensons: beautiful... one of those silent surprises |
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| 08:12.42 | ratrace | Are linux kernels before 3.19 officially supported in Debian Stable? If not, I'm wondering why is OpenSSH in stable being patched to work on <3.19 kernels.... https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=941663 |
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| 08:12.43 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/941663 in openssh-server (closed, upstream): «openssh-server: fatal: privsep_preauth: preauth child terminated by signal 31»; severity: normal; opened: 2019-10-03; last modified: 2019-10-06. |
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| 08:13.29 | ratrace | I'm a bit.... sensitive when debian patches ssh around randomness functions, ever since that debacle years ago... :) |
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| 08:14.22 | ratrace | %s/ssh around/ssh\/openssl around/ |
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| 08:41.51 | tsujp | What does this mean in LS_COLOURS `bd=48;5;232;38;5;11` |
| 08:41.58 | tsujp | I thought there were only 4 options per key, and this has 6 |
| 08:42.02 | tsujp | WIth numbers I dont recognise |
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| 09:06.11 | Ede|Popede | here it is bd=40;33;01 - most have 2 numbers only anyway, some with 1. only bd, cd, or have 3. |
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| 09:09.06 | Ede|Popede | `dircolors -p` says: BLK 40;33;01 # block device driver |
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| 09:47.05 | _ioannis | Hello there peeps. I've added deb ... buster-backports in my sources file |
| 09:47.15 | _ioannis | I'm trying to get cockpit-dashboard 202 version |
| 09:47.27 | _ioannis | but when I'm doing apt-get install it says I already have the latest (188) |
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| 09:47.40 | themill | exact command? |
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| 09:47.54 | _ioannis | I've done apt-get update |
| 09:48.00 | _ioannis | and I'm doing apt-get install cockpit-dashboard |
| 09:48.12 | _ioannis | it says : cockpit-dashboard is already the newest version (188-1). |
| 09:48.26 | _ioannis | Buster backports says cockpit-dashboard (202.1-1~bpo10+1) |
| 09:48.27 | dob1 | -t buster-backport |
| 09:48.35 | _ioannis | ahhh |
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| 09:48.37 | dob1 | or backports ? |
| 09:48.57 | _ioannis | is it possible to do cockpit-* with -t buster-backports ? |
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| 09:49.11 | dob1 | try apt-get -t buster-backports install package |
| 09:49.22 | _ioannis | I think it worked. |
| 09:49.36 | themill | _ioannis: yes, although it uses regex syntax not glob. |
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| 09:49.57 | _ioannis | perfect! |
| 09:50.01 | _ioannis | thank you it worked. |
| 09:51.05 | dob1 | themill, are you sure ? cockpit-* is like cockpit-* * is 0 or more number of times |
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| 09:52.07 | themill | yes |
| 09:52.10 | dob1 | if it is regexp it would be cockpit-.* |
| 09:52.31 | themill | that is what was intended, yes |
| 09:52.52 | dob1 | themill, but he used cockpit-* and he said it worked |
| 09:53.14 | themill | yes, cockpit with zero or more - after it matches lots of packages |
| 09:53.42 | humpled | rather use tab completion hinting than regex |
| 09:53.57 | themill | humpled: for multiple packages, the regex makes sense |
| 09:54.08 | humpled | if you know what you're doing |
| 09:54.41 | dob1 | themill, it is a find not a match as regexp |
| 09:54.45 | dob1 | right? |
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| 09:55.39 | themill | you might need to define what you mean as "find" and "match"; this is all in the man page btw |
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| 09:57.36 | themill | These are unanchored patterns in PCRE terms if that helps |
| 09:57.57 | themill | (you can anchor them with ^ and $ if you please) |
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| 09:59.28 | dob1 | themill, cockpit-* doesn't match any package name as full match, but as find it matches a lot of them |
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| 10:04.04 | themill | dob1: yes (that's not what any regex library I know calls it, but yes that's the effect) |
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| 10:16.48 | ov3rmind | hello great guys! |
| 10:17.25 | network_fail | Hi everyone, I'm running debian buster, my network is broken after editing /etc/resolv.conf, I changed the dns, then did systemctl restart networking. How can I solve it? Thank you in advance |
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| 10:21.46 | ratrace | network_fail: change it back? btw, you don't have to restart anything after you adjust resolv.conf |
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| 10:36.38 | w1d3m0d3 | is there documentation on how to package .debs using debhelper? |
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| 10:46.01 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 11:05.52 | w1d3m0d3 | just tried debhelper again, I actually did it, however I have a question, should I do dh-make once in order to generate and set up all the needed file and then keep them in my sources or? |
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| 11:12.31 | chris768443 | Hi, I have problems with an MDADM RAID6 in an "unclear" state. Anyone here with knowledge about mdad? |
| 11:12.55 | chris768443 | mdadm --detail /dev/md0 : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CMfBv4mpmv/ |
| 11:13.23 | chris768443 | cat /proc/mdstat : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2Bxfmj7VW8/ |
| 11:13.39 | chris768443 | 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.37 |
| 11:13.57 | chris768443 | mdadm --versionmdadm - v3.4 - 28th January 2016 |
| 11:14.34 | chris768443 | i have no idea why mdadm --detail says "active, not startet" and /proc/mdstat "inactive" |
| 11:14.57 | chris768443 | dmesg: md/raid:md0: cannot start dirty degraded array. |
| 11:15.02 | chris768443 | md/raid:md0: failed to run raid set. |
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| 11:22.23 | ratrace | chris768443: you can't mdadm --run /dev/md0 ? |
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| 11:26.07 | chris768443 | ratrace mdadm --run /dev/md0 (or with --verbose) gives nothing |
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| 11:26.56 | chris768443 | and "dmesg |tail" shows no action (about the mdadm command) |
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| 11:35.07 | ratrace | chris768443: weird. not sure what to suggest you there. RAID6 is supposed to survive any-two disc failure, and you apparently have only one resilvering. |
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| 11:39.40 | ratrace | chris768443: from googling around, one recommendation is to try force (re)assemble the array. mdadm --assemble --force /dev/md0 <device0> <device1> ... |
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| 11:53.51 | chris768443 | ratrace do you know about "writes" on the devices, if i use "--assemble" |
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| 11:54.57 | chris768443 | the user of the raid has not really good backups of the data on /dev/md0... |
| 11:55.05 | chris768443 | *a |
| 11:56.36 | ratrace | chris768443: maybe there are to the superblocks, I don't know |
| 11:56.55 | ratrace | also... no backup for such a large array? that data is not worth anything to begin with, then. |
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| 12:05.45 | chris768443 | .. no the system seems to be worth it. The backup system is in "progress" or it is in the RACK but should be started next week.. The RAID is working since some monthes. Lokal backups via btrfs snapshots every day |
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| 12:06.43 | ratrace | chris768443: wait, that's btrfs raid6 ? |
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| 12:07.53 | chris768443 | like i say.. yes it is :/ |
| 12:08.17 | ratrace | chris768443: so where does mdadm come into this picture? |
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| 12:11.12 | chris768443 | i think we can talk about this after fixing the problem, or not? :) |
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| 12:13.54 | ratrace | chris768443: well, it's important to understand the layout of your storage layers. from your pastes it's clear that it's a mdadm raid, so I'm assuming btrfs is a single-device btrfs atop of that raid? |
| 12:14.23 | chris768443 | oh yes, it is |
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| 12:15.23 | ratrace | chris768443: fine, so did you try to force assemble the array? |
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| 12:18.01 | chris768443 | is that a good idea? --detail says it is active but not started. I think this is a "unclean state" because of the restart while rebuilding on "/dev/sdg". "mdadm --detail" says to "sdg" -> spare rebuilding /dev/sdg1 |
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| 12:18.33 | chris768443 | but i have no writes/reads on any of the disk (nmon) |
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| 12:19.20 | chris768443 | but /proc/mdstat says the md0 is inactive.. |
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| 12:20.08 | chris768443 | my idea is "/dev/sdg" is wrong. Eventually i should remove the device from md0? |
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| 12:21.29 | chris768443 | Or should i "mdadm --stop /dev/md0" and reassemble it with "mdadm --assemble --run --force /dev/md0 /dev/sd[cefhijk]1 |
| 12:21.56 | chris768443 | (sdd and sdg is missing in the --assemble command) |
| 12:22.23 | ratrace | you can try that yes. rebooting while a disk is resilvering wouldn't matter. |
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| 12:24.03 | chris768443 | mdadm: stopped /dev/md0 |
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| 12:26.28 | chris768443 | looks good, a "mdadm --assemble --run /dev/md0 /dev/sd[cefghijk]1" (without force) activates the same situation as before "--stop". |
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| 12:26.48 | chris768443 | but "mdadm --assemble --run --force /dev/md0 /dev/sd[cefghijk]1" gives me hope |
| 12:26.54 | chris768443 | mdadm: Marking array /dev/md0 as 'clean' |
| 12:27.01 | chris768443 | mdadm: /dev/md0 has been started with 7 drives (out of 8) and 1 rebuilding. |
| 12:27.10 | chris768443 | mdadm --detail /dev/md0 |
| 12:27.18 | chris768443 | Rebuild Status : 1% complete |
| 12:27.27 | chris768443 | cat /proc/mdstat |
| 12:27.38 | chris768443 | md0 : active raid6 sdc1[0] sdk1[8] sdi1[6] sdh1[5] sdj1[9] sdf1[3] sde1[2] sdg1[10] |
| 12:27.45 | chris768443 | recovery = 1.2% (100972124/7813893120) finish=734.2min speed=175070K/sec |
| 12:27.59 | chris768443 | and the recovery goes to 2% :) |
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| 12:31.00 | chris768443 | nmon shows good informations about the rebuild. dev/sd[cefghijk] are "reading" and sdg is "writing". |
| 12:31.02 | chris768443 | perfekt |
| 12:31.18 | chris768443 | ratrace thanks to your help! |
| 12:31.30 | ratrace | you're welcome. |
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| 13:04.17 | afidegnum | using debian 9, what utility do i need to monitor my exim4 against spams, intrusions? |
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| 13:13.44 | ratrace | afidegnum: there's no simple answer to that. I don't know exim, I work with Postfix, but I'm guessing you can employ SpamAssassin to detect and mark spam. It's most effective with bayes learning, so it's not something you can fire and forget. |
| 13:14.05 | ov3rmind | heya guys i can't open any browser konqueror, firefox or chrome... any can help when i try run using a shell this returns can't connect on display :1 it's sayed for any of then any help? |
| 13:14.10 | ratrace | as for "intrusions", you'd have to define what that is and what your threat model is, and then employ mitigations and monitoring. |
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| 13:14.38 | karlpinc | afidegnum: Start with greylisting. |
| 13:14.41 | afidegnum | i had spamassin seetup |
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| 13:14.51 | afidegnum | and fail2ban |
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| 13:15.04 | ratrace | karlpinc: I wouldn't recommend greylisting these days, more trouble than it's worth. instead, postfix (for example) can work with postscreen |
| 13:15.25 | karlpinc | ratrace: What sort of trouble? |
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| 13:15.38 | afidegnum | i have been receiving lots of users trying to force-login on exim4 |
| 13:15.43 | ratrace | karlpinc: networks re-sending email from different IPs. |
| 13:15.48 | afidegnum | 2000failed login in an hour, |
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| 13:16.26 | ratrace | afidegnum: you can try fail2ban those but from my experience, it's rather pointless because they're re-trying from large number of different IPs. it's a game of whack-a-mole. Instead, if you can, employ strong passwords. |
| 13:17.00 | theciaguy | Strong passwords and don't worry about auth attempts. If it's a box on the internet, welcome to the fun. |
| 13:17.02 | afidegnum | is there a way to limit access to exim4 from specific ip ranges? |
| 13:17.19 | ratrace | afidegnum: for what, submit or smtp? |
| 13:17.26 | afidegnum | both |
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| 13:17.46 | ratrace | afidegnum: i'm sure there is, but I'd wonder why you'd limit smtp |
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| 13:18.21 | theciaguy | afidegnum: Why would you do that? |
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| 13:21.39 | afidegnum | our clients are within our community not outside the country |
| 13:21.44 | theciaguy | afidegnum: So? |
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| 13:21.57 | afidegnum | so i want to limit the access to that community |
| 13:22.00 | theciaguy | Why? |
| 13:22.17 | greycat | he's recreating the walled gardens a la compuserve and AOL |
| 13:22.27 | greycat | "you cannot talk to anyone outside the group" |
| 13:22.31 | greycat | classic cult leader |
| 13:22.55 | theciaguy | afidegnum: You're missing the point of running an email server. Let people bang on it, who cares? As long as your passwords aren't crap and you have it set up properly, that's all you need. |
| 13:23.05 | theciaguy | It's not auth failures you need to be worried about. It's auth successes that should be watched. |
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| 13:23.31 | ratrace | indeed |
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| 13:23.37 | afidegnum | ok, thanks for the insight, greycat i m not a cult leader :D |
| 13:23.42 | theciaguy | If the server is telling people to go get bent, congratulations. It's doing its job. |
| 13:23.53 | ratrace | 100% of intrusions we've had so far on our postfix infra, is user accounts getting their passwords compromised. |
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| 13:24.32 | greycat | it's not about authentications at all. it's the fact that he refuses to allow incoming email from outside of the group. nobody can receive email from debian.org or gmail or ... |
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| 13:24.53 | ratrace | yes, if they limit smtp, which is stupid. |
| 13:25.08 | greycat | which is stupid, and which is precisely what he said he wanted to do |
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| 13:25.28 | afidegnum | comprende... i got it, greycat nooo... i don't mean limiting the domains |
| 13:25.34 | ratrace | allowing submission/auth from a specific set of IPs -- if acceptable by users -- is much better |
| 13:25.39 | theciaguy | afidegnum: That's all you'll accomplish by whitelisting IPs. |
| 13:26.02 | theciaguy | You will screw up mail flow, end of story. |
| 13:26.14 | theciaguy | If you REALLY want a fun project, look into certificate authentication. :B |
| 13:26.24 | theciaguy | I would suggest NOT trying that on your "production" mailserver first. |
| 13:26.43 | afidegnum | ok, thanks for the insight :) |
| 13:26.58 | greycat | Is he recanting his prior assertion that he wants to restrict ALL incoming email? |
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| 13:27.38 | afidegnum | greycat: i give up :D |
| 13:27.49 | theciaguy | I think we beat him into submission. (see what I did there?) |
| 13:27.53 | ratrace | lol |
| 13:28.06 | ratrace | you 587'd them |
| 13:28.12 | theciaguy | I'm stealing that. |
| 13:28.20 | ratrace | cc share-alike |
| 13:28.24 | afidegnum | lol |
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| 13:29.29 | afidegnum | this name is escaping me, can you please help me remember? |
| 13:29.53 | afidegnum | i m having memory lags... i don't knwo why |
| 13:30.01 | ratrace | eh? |
| 13:30.47 | afidegnum | i need to reduce coffee |
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| 13:31.30 | afidegnum | what's that tool again that help configure securty policies? |
| 13:31.39 | theciaguy | vim? |
| 13:31.50 | theciaguy | (or emacs, if that's your thing) |
| 13:31.53 | ratrace | heh... what security policies? context... |
| 13:32.07 | afidegnum | theciaguy: no, i use both |
| 13:32.08 | theciaguy | lynis might be what you're after. |
| 13:32.12 | theciaguy | vimacs? |
| 13:32.12 | afidegnum | no |
| 13:32.22 | afidegnum | i mean security, not ide. |
| 13:32.22 | ratrace | selinux/apparmor? |
| 13:32.33 | afidegnum | ratrace: voilaaa! :) |
| 13:32.34 | greycat | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 13:32.41 | afidegnum | greycat: :D :D :D |
| 13:33.13 | ratrace | if you put security policy into context, you get selinux :) steal that! cc share-alike |
| 13:33.13 | afidegnum | ratrace: that's what i am looking for, i had it set up... trying to inspect it once again |
| 13:33.29 | afidegnum | i m using apparmor |
| 13:33.45 | ratrace | me too. selinux is a bit too much work for my limited schedule right now |
| 13:33.45 | theciaguy | Be very careful with MAC frameworks. |
| 13:34.00 | theciaguy | I'm more familiar with SELinux. Reminds me of my mainframe days. |
| 13:34.58 | afidegnum | Selinux, if there is enough time to play around |
| 13:35.01 | ratrace | in general, yes, one should be careful with selinux in strict mode / confined root, as then root becomes just a regular user. |
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| 13:35.28 | ratrace | apparmor has no such power, unless you toy with ssh policies on a remote server |
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| 13:38.06 | elm_ | I need gcc5 to compile elder kernel versions |
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| 13:38.21 | elm_ | however the only package which is still available is gcc-5-doc |
| 13:38.26 | afidegnum | anyone used ossec-hids ? |
| 13:38.29 | greycat | !snapshot |
| 13:38.29 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 13:39.49 | ratrace | oopsie, I just got a general protection fault in the kernel, for the bind9 process... entering defcon 3 |
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| 13:42.46 | elm_ | dpkg: how to add such a snapshot.debian.org line for stretch? |
| 13:42.47 | dpkg | wish i knew, elm_ |
| 13:43.21 | greycat | You don't. You download the .deb you want by hand, and you install it by hand, and it will fail because it's ancient and the directory layouts aren't even correct any more, so you extract it by hand and copy the files around by hand. |
| 13:44.01 | greycat | Or at least that's how it works with ancient shared libraries that you need for ancient proprietary vendor-software. |
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| 13:57.01 | afidegnum | apt-get upgrade exim4 right ? |
| 13:57.30 | greycat | upgrade doesn't take a package name; it's just upgrade |
| 13:57.59 | afidegnum | that will upgrade the whole of debian, |
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| 13:58.05 | greycat | ... yes. |
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| 13:58.16 | greycat | why would you not want to do that? |
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| 13:58.27 | afidegnum | scared of breaking configs |
| 13:59.02 | theciaguy | then config better |
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| 14:04.15 | metrix | My ISP does not support ipv6, but my Debian hosting provider just gave me an IPV6 address. I need someone to make sure it actually loads over IPV6. |
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| 14:04.22 | metrix | Any ideas on how to do that? |
| 14:04.59 | theciaguy | loads what? |
| 14:05.14 | greycat | I'm guessing "a web page". |
| 14:05.15 | karlpinc | afidegnum: It is very rare that a minor upgrade will break configs. There is also apt-listchanges available to put any changes in front of your face. |
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| 14:05.43 | afidegnum | ah, that's good |
| 14:05.53 | afidegnum | are you familiar with ossec-hids ? |
| 14:06.44 | afidegnum | apt-listchanges not found |
| 14:06.46 | karlpinc | metrix: Get a cheap VM from some provider that supports ipv6, or your existing provider in another data center (or even the same data center), and use curl. |
| 14:06.53 | greycat | ,v apt-listchanges |
| 14:06.55 | judd | Package: apt-listchanges on amd64 -- jessie: 2.85.13+nmu1; stretch: 3.10; buster: 3.19; bullseye: 3.20; sid: 3.20 |
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| 14:07.14 | metrix | karlpinc that's a great idea! thank you |
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| 14:07.36 | afidegnum | judd: is it installable ? |
| 14:07.46 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 14:08.00 | karlpinc | afidegnum: judd is a bot |
| 14:08.10 | afidegnum | :D :D :D |
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| 14:09.49 | errst | hey all |
| 14:09.57 | karlpinc | metrix: For extra points put nginx on the cheap VM and reverse-proxy so you get a 4 to 6 gateway. (Nginx seems easiest. I suppose there's more generic gateway tools.) |
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| 14:12.56 | afidegnum | how do i set/activate/install apt-listchanges ? |
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| 14:13.10 | errst | How can I add upgrade support to a deb pkg? I've created two packages with the same content, E.g., myapp-1.0.0-alpha_1.0.0-alpha-1_all.deb |
| 14:13.10 | errst | myapp-1.0.1-alpha_1.0.1-alpha-1_all.deb but when trying to install the version 1.0.1 after installing the version 1.0.0 I do get the following error, "trying to overwrite file, which is also inâ¦â |
| 14:13.17 | errst | How can I solve this issue? |
| 14:13.28 | karlpinc | afidegnum: Like any other package: apt install apt-listchanges |
| 14:14.01 | greycat | errst: make them conflict with each other? or did you really intend for them to be able to coexist? |
| 14:15.11 | karlpinc | greycat: I don't know packaging. Do you really need to do that for a newer version of the same package? |
| 14:15.18 | errst | greycat, When installing the version 1.0.1, I want to get rid of the version 1.0.0 completly |
| 14:15.50 | errst | greycat, How do I do that btw? Making them conflict with each other? |
| 14:16.04 | karlpinc | errst: (It cannot hurt to read the packaging guide. This sounds like the answer should be there.) |
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| 14:17.12 | errst | karlpinc, I did, but couldn't find the answer. That's why I'm here, and asking. If you can point to anywhere, I would like to read. BTW, I'm dealing with this issue almost a week |
| 14:17.36 | shell43 | 99.116.40.240 |
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| 14:21.28 | greycat | wooledg:~$ grep -m2 Conflict /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 14:21.28 | greycat | Conflicts: automake (<< 1:1.4-p5-1), automake1.10-doc, automake1.5 (<< 1.5-2), automake1.6 (<< 1.6.1-4) |
| 14:21.31 | greycat | Conflicts: bash-completion (<< 20060301-0) |
| 14:21.41 | greycat | it really shouldn't take you a week to figure this out |
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| 14:23.44 | sinhue | hi, how do I enable dnat in debian kernel? |
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| 14:24.23 | errst | greycat, Is it possible to remove old version automatically when instaling the new one? |
| 14:24.42 | greycat | have you *really* never done a dist-upgrade in your life? |
| 14:24.45 | ratrace | sinhue: you'll need an iptables rule for that. |
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| 14:25.15 | errst | greycat, No. What's that for? |
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| 14:25.48 | greycat | people who don't use debian, trying to write debian packages :( :( :( |
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| 14:26.00 | ratrace | instafail. |
| 14:26.17 | sinhue | ratrace, I know. I wrote the rule but I suspect it's not working and I read somewhere that DNAT should be allowed in kernel first. |
| 14:26.28 | ratrace | sinhue: afaik it is |
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| 14:26.55 | errst | greycat, Thanks! |
| 14:27.03 | sinhue | But I don't see my new rule in iptables -L, what gives? |
| 14:27.32 | ratrace | sinhue: what rule, how did you apply it? use a pastebin pls |
| 14:27.33 | sinhue | this is what i use: "iptables -t nat -I OUTPUT --src 0/0 --dst 192.168.0.103 -p tcp --dport 902 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 902" |
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| 14:28.25 | ratrace | sinhue: no. http://linux-ip.net/html/nat-dnat.html |
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| 14:28.48 | greycat | errst: the simplest answer I can give you is: *why* are you trying to make two separate packages like this? Why not just make one package, and release newer versions of this package under the same name? Then everything will just work. The only reason you'd offer *multiple* name-versioned packages is if you expect both to coexist, or you expect some people will intentionally choose to stay on the old |
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| 14:28.54 | greycat | one. |
| 14:28.57 | karlpinc | greycat: Humm. Ok. Whatdayaknow. |
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| 14:29.24 | flyingkiwi | @sinhue "iptables -t nat -L" btw |
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| 14:30.09 | karlpinc | greycat: Oh. He's using different package names. |
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| 14:30.46 | sinhue | flyingkiwi, man, thanks. :D I have like 7 same rules there now. How do I clean this? |
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| 14:31.20 | flyingkiwi | sinhue, iptables -t nat -F (or delete every single one with -D) |
| 14:31.27 | errst | greycat, I don't release these both packages together for any reason. e.g., to coexist. I do release newer version but when installing the newer version on the same place where the old version is installed i do get the error above i'm mentioned |
| 14:31.41 | errst | greycat, maybe, i've explained it badly, sorry. |
| 14:31.52 | greycat | errst: you're doing it wrong. Use the SAME NAME for both versions of the package. |
| 14:32.10 | ratrace | sinhue: btw, be careful when you -F a chain with policy DROP, might lock yourself out if you're doing that over ssh |
| 14:32.31 | ratrace | (drop or reject) |
| 14:32.39 | karlpinc | errst: You need to read how debian packages/versions are named. |
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| 14:33.09 | errst | greycat, I do use same version. E.g., myapp-1.0.0-alpha_1.0.0-alpha-1_all.deb / myapp-1.0.1-alpha_1.0.1-alpha-1_all.deb |
| 14:33.12 | sinhue | okay, so jus tto be sure: "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 127.0.0.1 --dport 902 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.103" what will this do? |
| 14:33.30 | errst | greycat, Is it wrong? Can you give me an example? |
| 14:33.50 | greycat | errst: NO. You are doing it WRONG. Your package name is everything up to the first UNDERSCORE. Your package name is myapp-1.0.0-alpha and then you change it to myapp-1.0.1-alpha . |
| 14:34.00 | greycat | errst: Why can't you just name it myapp ?!? |
| 14:35.41 | ratrace | sinhue: it will alter packets arriving at 127.0.0.1 for port 902, so their destination becomes 192.168.0.103 (same port). since you do this in the PREROUTING chain, the altered packets are then routed there |
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| 14:36.48 | errst | greycat, I don't generate that name manually. This is the command I'm using dh_make --indep --createorig --packagename myapp-1.0.0-alpha --yes and it gives me the myapp-1.0.0-alpha_1.0.0-alpha-1_all.deb |
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| 14:37.01 | greycat | Do you even SEE what you are writing? |
| 14:37.10 | greycat | you wrote --packagename myapp-1.0.0-alpha |
| 14:37.12 | jelly | errst: --packagename myapp, nothing more |
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| 14:38.18 | errst | greycat, jelly How do I define the version number? |
| 14:38.31 | greycat | It comes from the changelog that you wrote. |
| 14:38.39 | greycat | !nmg |
| 14:38.39 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 14:38.42 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 14:39.13 | karlpinc | sinhue: (And think about using nftables instead of iptables. It's sane, and is the future.) |
| 14:39.13 | errst | greycat, Okay, thanks. |
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| 14:41.09 | sinhue | karlpinc, Thanks, but this is a real legacy server and I reeealy don't want to upgrade anything on it :D |
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| 14:42.30 | ratrace | karlpinc: actually, nftables stand to be replaced by EBPF |
| 14:42.35 | ilikeyou | Morning all. Is geoclue installed by default in Buster? I removed it recently, but wondering how it got here. |
| 14:42.47 | ratrace | I wouldn't migrate from iptables just yet, unless you really need some nftables functionality. |
| 14:43.02 | greycat | N: Can't select versions from package 'geoclue' as it is purely virtual |
| 14:43.40 | jelly | judd: whatprovides geoclue |
| 14:43.52 | judd | No packages provide 'geoclue' in buster/amd64. |
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| 14:44.00 | jelly | ilikeyou: "no" |
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| 14:44.42 | ov3rmind | :) |
| 14:45.19 | jelly | ilikeyou: it used to exist in Debian 8. Perhaps you did not remove all the obsolete packages after a release upgrade |
| 14:45.34 | jelly | ,bug rm geoclue |
| 14:45.36 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/788279 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: geoclue -- ROM; unmaintained upstream»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-06-09; last modified: 2016-06-17. |
| 14:45.50 | themill | libgeoclue-2-0 is still a thing |
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| 14:46.58 | jelly | but that comes from a _completely_ different source package named, uh, geoclue-2.0 |
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| 14:52.22 | karlpinc | ratrace: I just hate the iptables syntax. In the past I've used ferm to add syntatic sugar. |
| 14:53.16 | afidegnum | what HIDS would you suggest for debian? |
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| 15:10.59 | talin | hello. i am trying to install debian 10, and i have fetched wifi drivers on a usb stick (.deb file). how do i make the installer able to use the driver on that stick? do i need to extract it, arrange it in a particular directory structure? |
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| 15:18.58 | tsglove | What would the "ip" command equivalent for netstat -an be? If I do a search for "ip" it's a little bit hard to filter out all the non-relevant-to-ip-command results. |
| 15:19.13 | greycat | ss is the equivalent of netstat |
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| 15:19.23 | tsglove | ss ok ok on my way! |
| 15:19.24 | greycat | I can't tell you which specific options, though |
| 15:19.25 | tsglove | thanks |
| 15:19.29 | tsglove | That's ok. |
| 15:21.22 | jelly | tsglove: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#iproute2 |
| 15:22.40 | jelly | for some reason ss is _much_ slower than netstat equivalent, and I often don't care ss is supposed to be more accurate |
| 15:22.41 | tsglove | jelly, is iproute2 the full package name for "ip"? |
| 15:22.57 | greycat | yes |
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| 15:23.21 | tsglove | Wowza! Ok, so whenever I search in the future, "iproute2" is the way. I was using "ip" yet the results were too noisy. |
| 15:23.32 | greycat | ip is a command name within that package |
| 15:23.38 | graingert | does anyone know what DH_VIRTUALENV_BIN does? I found it in our build scripts but I can't see it read in https://github.com/spotify/dh-virtualenv/ |
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| 15:24.40 | ratrace | afidegnum: I use AIDE |
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| 15:30.40 | afidegnum | ratrace: / |
| 15:30.42 | afidegnum | ? |
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| 15:31.14 | ratrace | afidegnum: "16:53 < afidegnum> what HIDS would you suggest for debian?" |
| 15:31.24 | afidegnum | ok ok |
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| 15:32.24 | afidegnum | ratrace: does it have a web gui ? |
| 15:32.39 | afidegnum | so i can visualize and prints the stats ? |
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| 15:34.17 | ratrace | afidegnum: no, AIDE is simplistic, only checksums the filesystem |
| 15:34.34 | ratrace | afidegnum: there's Snort if you want a more involved IDS |
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| 15:37.36 | afidegnum | ok |
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| 15:40.26 | talin | hello. i am using the installer from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.1.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/ but it still can't find my wifi card... any ideas? the laptop has been working with really old versions of ubuntu |
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| 15:41.50 | talin | maybe i should try debian-testing... |
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| 15:49.47 | dob1 | talin, not that I have any idea but do you think it's simple if you don't give information about this wifi card ? model or whatever? |
| 15:50.03 | dob1 | maybe try lspci, search the model on google |
| 15:50.49 | LtL | talin: are you certain there is no hardware wifi switch on the machine? |
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| 15:50.50 | dob1 | talin, maybe there is an updated kernel on backports and you can just use this instead of going with testing |
| 15:51.25 | apurkrt | hello, so after some (long) time, I am trying debian in a virtualbox |
| 15:52.04 | apurkrt | and I find it odd the selection of timezone is bound with the selection of language and locale |
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| 15:53.20 | apurkrt | "If the desired time zone is not listed, then please go back to the step "Choose language" and select country that uses the desired time zone" |
| 15:53.28 | apurkrt | I find this limiting |
| 15:53.46 | greycat | then make an arbitrary choice, and fine-tune it manually after the install is done |
| 15:53.47 | apurkrt | surely I can change this after the installation, but why not out of the box? |
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| 16:41.47 | brokencycle | Hi! I am looking to find a wifi dongle that would work well with Buster, no trequiring any additional software. |
| 16:41.55 | brokencycle | Any recommendations, please? |
| 16:42.23 | somiaj | brokencycle: I would look for wifi dongle you want, the search on its support in linux. |
| 16:42.49 | somiaj | Most likely you will need additional non-free firmware for wifi, but this is easily isntalled in buster, so just something to be aware of. |
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| 16:43.33 | brokencycle | somiaj: The problem is: I don't have a clue, but would sort of accept any dongle that would work well. |
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| 16:43.59 | brokencycle | However, I already have a dongle where the maker claims it would be compatible with Linux, but unfortunately, |
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| 16:44.23 | brokencycle | it requires to hand-compile the driver, and that fails due to a different kernel version (the driver |
| 16:44.31 | brokencycle | supports up to 4.10, and Buster has 4.19). |
| 16:44.33 | brokencycle | Now what... |
| 16:44.58 | CrystalMath | ,versions xpra |
| 16:45.00 | judd | Package: xpra on amd64 -- jessie: 0.14.10+dfsg-1; stretch: 0.17.6+dfsg-1; buster: 2.4.3+dfsg1-1; bullseye: 3.0+dfsg1-1; sid: 3.0+dfsg1-1 |
| 16:45.06 | brokencycle | So one way would be to find a different dongle that would not require such hassle. |
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| 16:46.12 | somiaj | brokencycle: do you have a current dongle you are trying to get to work? |
| 16:47.02 | somiaj | brokencycle: if you let me know what dongle you currentl have (or the chipset on it from lsusb), I can see what is needed to make it work. |
| 16:47.31 | somiaj | brokencycle: If looking for a new one, go find one, and then ask here what people think support would be like before purchasing it. |
| 16:47.43 | LtL | brokencycle: look here, https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/catalog |
| 16:47.47 | brokencycle | I don't have the experience to adjust the driver to 4.19... Yes, I sort of do. I mean, I am prepared to toss the stick and get a different one. |
| 16:48.08 | brokencycle | I though it would be this driver: r8192u_usb, but it doesn't work for some reason, |
| 16:48.12 | somiaj | brokencycle: how about you let us know what donegle you currently have, what chipset is on it via lsusb, and let me at least double check what is required to get it to work in buster. |
| 16:48.20 | brokencycle | I can see the networks, but not connect. |
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| 16:48.40 | somiaj | brokencycle: did you also install the firmware-realtek package? |
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| 16:49.44 | brokencycle | The dongle is a TL-WN823N |
| 16:49.46 | somiaj | brokencycle: please look at the output of lsusb, and share the line for your current dongle. Here is the list of supported ones for that driver (but knowing exactly what hardware you have is gonna help out a lot) |
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| 16:50.16 | brokencycle | firmware-realtek - thanks for the hint! |
| 16:50.41 | somiaj | brokencycle: I want the actual chipset on the device, which y ou can get from the output of lsusb |
| 16:50.53 | somiaj | the manafacture names aren't that reliable to figure out support. |
| 16:51.48 | c0rnelius | appears to be a github - https://wikidevi.com/wiki/TP-LINK_TL-WN823N_v2 |
| 16:51.49 | graingert | does anyone know what DH_VIRTUALENV_BIN does? I found it in our build scripts but I can't see it read in https://github.com/spotify/dh-virtualenv/ |
| 16:52.11 | graingert | is there some magic in debhelper to override commands? |
| 16:52.11 | greycat | graingert: it sounds like a variable name. |
| 16:52.20 | graingert | does it work for any DH_foo_BIN? |
| 16:52.27 | graingert | for any doit? |
| 16:52.42 | graingert | yes it's defined as a variable |
| 16:52.52 | graingert | but I can't see where it's consumed |
| 16:52.59 | graingert | is it debhelper magic? |
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| 16:53.04 | graingert | or dh-virtualenv? |
| 16:53.21 | graingert | dh-virtualenv has DH_VIRTUALENV_ARGUMENTS |
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| 16:55.31 | jak2000 | how to restart crontab system? |
| 16:56.08 | brokencycle | somiaj: It is TP-Link TL WN823 RTL8192EU |
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| 16:58.01 | jelly | jak2000: the service to restart is called "cron". You do not need to restart anything if you just edited a user's crontab with the crontab command. |
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| 16:59.10 | jelly | jak2000: cron reads changes to crontab files on every minute. Next minute, new jobs would be run if they are schedulued to do so |
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| 16:59.48 | jelly | jak2000: so if you make a * * * * * job, you need to wait at most 2 minutes for it to run for the first time |
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| 17:00.32 | greycat | at most 59.99 seconds, if cron polls on the minute |
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| 17:01.20 | jak2000 | interesting |
| 17:01.21 | jak2000 | thanks |
| 17:01.38 | jelly | greycat: 119.99 but yes |
| 17:01.46 | greycat | where do you get this number? |
| 17:02.24 | jelly | empirical evidence |
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| 17:03.03 | jelly | newly added jobs do not get run right away, only the next minute |
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| 17:05.25 | jelly | only by actually restarting the service can you make a fresh job run on the next minute start |
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| 17:15.51 | brokencycle | somiaj: This is the output from 'lsusb' |
| 17:16.18 | MonRa | Hello, I have problems running an opengl game on debian 9 (kernel 5.2 amd64) on a thinkpad t420 with an intel i5-2520M, I would like to try and update the video drivers but I don't really remember what I installed, how do I investigate on that to update the drivers? I gladly accept external resources |
| 17:17.36 | jelly | MonRa: debian 10 will have newer mesa and drm than debian 9. Whether "newer" means "better" for a sandybridge GPU is anyone's guess |
| 17:18.08 | jelly | perhaps try it on a debian 10 live image |
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| 17:18.37 | MonRa | jelly: good idea thanks, i'll try |
| 17:18.38 | jelly | if you're using wifi on that laptop you'll probably need |
| 17:18.41 | jelly | !firmware live |
| 17:18.41 | dpkg | Unofficial <live> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for Debian 9 "Stretch" as a live OS are available at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ . See also <firmware images>. |
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| 17:19.12 | jelly | ,v libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 17:19.13 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on amd64 -- jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2; stretch-backports: 18.2.8-2~bpo9+1; buster: 18.3.6-2; bullseye: 19.1.6-1; sid: 19.2.0-1 |
| 17:19.32 | jelly | huh, so there _is_ a backport for at least some of the stack |
| 17:19.45 | jelly | ,v libdrm2 |
| 17:19.46 | judd | Package: libdrm2 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.4.58-2; stretch: 2.4.74-1; stretch-backports: 2.4.95-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.4.97-1; bullseye: 2.4.99-1; sid: 2.4.99-1 |
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| 17:20.29 | jelly | MonRa: pairing a live cd with your 5.2 kernel might be an interesting task |
| 17:21.46 | MonRa | jelly: pairing? |
| 17:22.35 | jelly | managing to boot your (custom? backported?) kernel and the live image |
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| 17:24.50 | MonRa | jelly:wtf i just noticed my /etc/os-release says debian bullseye lmao |
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| 17:25.01 | MonRa | i don t remember doing that ahahahah |
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| 17:25.45 | MonRa | imma risk it and blindly upgrade hoping not to break anything |
| 17:26.05 | jelly | you may have mixed repos in the past |
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| 17:26.31 | jelly | going from debian 9 to (not-yet-11) directly will probably break things |
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| 17:27.34 | MonRa | jelly: :^) |
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| 17:28.28 | jelly | I'd attempt a release upgrade to buster first, then bullseye |
| 17:29.07 | jelly | and after you're running bullseye, the right place to ask things would be |
| 17:29.10 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 17:29.10 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 17:52.52 | brokencycle | Thanks everyone, it worked! |
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| 18:12.10 | Peyam | hi |
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| 18:12.25 | Peyam | I have wo identical shortcuts in my menu |
| 18:12.32 | Peyam | how do I remove them |
| 18:12.38 | Peyam | they are in xfce-games.dir |
| 18:12.45 | Peyam | and I can not find that directory |
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| 18:13.33 | greycat | have you tried "locate xfce-games" yet? |
| 18:13.58 | greycat | might work, might not, but it only takes a second to type it and find out |
| 18:14.04 | Peyam | -.- |
| 18:14.06 | Peyam | ofcourse |
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| 18:14.45 | playforfun | hi people |
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| 18:15.50 | playforfun | i cant set my text mode to a higher resolution |
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| 18:17.15 | elm_ | I have a problem with my Pixart Imaging, Inc. Typhoon Easycam USB 330K (newer)/Typhoon Easycam USB 2.0 |
| 18:17.32 | elm_ | cheese does not recognize the /dev/video2 as webcam |
| 18:17.52 | elm_ | and vlc only shows a green screen when I invoke it with this device |
| 18:18.23 | playforfun | ive heard rumors of exploits in vlc |
| 18:18.27 | elm_ | It is not a kernel issue: works with Debian8 and kernel 4.9.0 but not with Debian9 and kernel 4.9.0-7 |
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| 18:18.51 | elm_ | it is not only vlc; also I can not use that webcam with Firefox |
| 18:19.07 | elm_ | playforfun: is xine any better? |
| 18:19.26 | elm_ | what shall I do? |
| 18:19.32 | playforfun | elm really dont know |
| 18:19.38 | elm_ | It seems to be a library problem |
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| 18:23.07 | jelly | elm_: does guvcview work? |
| 18:23.52 | playforfun | I already tryed GRUB_GFXMODE GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD in grub but with no results! |
| 18:24.40 | jelly | playforfun: are you using open source drivers for your gpu or closed source? which gpu? |
| 18:25.53 | jelly | if you're using nvidia closed source driver, then: no framebuffer console for you, the driver does not support it (yet) |
| 18:26.12 | playforfun | i dont use non-free sources. so yes all is open source jelly |
| 18:26.24 | jelly | playforfun: okay, which gpu is it? |
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| 18:27.04 | jelly | playforfun: and which debian release btw? |
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| 18:28.13 | jelly | that reminds me, I need to switch this monitor from VGA back to DP->HDMI->DVI-D |
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| 18:28.43 | playforfun | jelly the gpu is g210 64bits 1Gram but there is a layer of virtualization here and is debian 10.1 |
| 18:28.49 | apathor | j #ansible |
| 18:28.50 | elm_ | jelly: great! guvcview works in deed! |
| 18:28.51 | apathor | woops |
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| 18:29.05 | elm_ | now, how to proceed? |
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| 18:30.26 | elm_ | file a bug against what? vlc? cheese? or a library? |
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| 18:31.54 | Tuxist | hi have problem with dak |
| 18:32.01 | janik | Hi all. I have a Debian machine that needs to access the internet through another user (in this case, 'sudo -u <other-user> <command>'). For some reason, all traffic seems to be dropped and ping results in a sendmsg EPERM. The interesting part: *starting* nftables fixes the issue, even if I stop it again later. However, enabling the service doesn't work. Could anyone help me understand what's going on |
| 18:32.04 | janik | here? |
| 18:32.25 | Tuxist | https://paste.debian.net/1105412/ |
| 18:34.43 | playforfun | i changed /etc/default/grub applyed with update-grub2 but the boot is still 800x600 |
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| 18:35.10 | janik | Sorry, please ignore my question. I re-used an old UID that was blocked from accessing the network. |
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| 18:37.47 | playforfun | VMSVGA is my graphic controller |
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| 18:44.47 | playforfun | the gnome is able to resize just fine, the text mode pure is the problem, stick in 800x600 |
| 18:45.07 | greycat | have you installed whatever firmware your video chipset wants? |
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| 18:47.35 | playforfun | again the controller is standard virtualbox, so dont need firmware updates, the version is the latest |
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| 18:50.39 | playforfun | https://paste.debian.net/1105415/ |
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| 18:59.13 | playforfun | perhaps noboby here experienced such situation |
| 19:04.14 | playforfun | apparently i ll have to live with the graphic ide to have a wider command line |
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| 19:05.06 | greycat | X11 with no window manager, just a single gigantic xterm, might be enough for your bizarre purposes |
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| 19:05.59 | playforfun | lol bizarre? |
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| 19:07.31 | playforfun | your generation is already polluted with terminalphobia |
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| 19:09.04 | greycat | and which generation do you believe that is? |
| 19:09.15 | playforfun | tell me |
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| 19:10.13 | jmcnaught | why not just connect to the VM by ssh? |
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| 19:12.21 | playforfun | my bizzare intentions is enjoy a wider terminal for some resources that output much information in the screen, mc, top etc |
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| 19:13.09 | DammitJim | ssh to VM... I think that's good practice instead of using that console thing |
| 19:13.52 | greycat | but if he did that, he'd be able to treat the terminal like a terminal, actually copying and pasting from it... that would be too normal and easy |
| 19:14.25 | greycat | no, he's gotta use a VM layer so he can get a window that's completely nontextual from the outside, rendered pixels of characters |
| 19:14.43 | greycat | and then eschew the use of X11 within that pixel-rendered window |
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| 19:14.51 | greycat | gives up trying to understand VM people |
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| 19:16.23 | Rich_Morin | Where might I find the source data for pages such as `https://packages.debian.org/stable/math/4ti2`? Also, is there a way to find out the (rough) counts of APT downloads by package name? |
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| 19:16.39 | greycat | !popcon |
| 19:16.39 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package |
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| 19:21.26 | Rich_Morin | interesting; thanks! |
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| 19:29.47 | brutser | i have embedded system installed on full disk encryption without any boot partition, so grub first decrypt the whole device, then i need to set the proper boot instructions, but i am confused how to set this, let me xplain: 1. set root=crypto0 (this makes sure root is set correctly) 2. linux /vmlinuz root=(???) ro quiet << i don't know what to set |
| 19:29.47 | brutser | root to |
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| 19:58.17 | kingsley | Is my understanding correct that Debian's AMD64 architecture should run on an Intel Xeon E5 i620? |
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| 20:01.04 | somiaj | !amd64 |
| 20:01.04 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>. |
| 20:01.16 | somiaj | !why amd64 |
| 20:01.16 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/x86-64 |
| 20:02.07 | somiaj | kingsley: almost all x86_64 machines use amd64 as their arch. There was a very limited set of intel machines that actually used a different arch (not just name). But due to historical reasons amd64 is the name that stuck to x86_64 arch |
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| 20:02.46 | greycat | "historical reasons" being that AMD invented it |
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| 20:07.52 | jelly | kingsley: any cpu with Xeon and E5 in its name will be amd64 compatible. "E5 i620" however does not exist, probably a typo |
| 20:08.11 | jelly | there's an E5-1620 |
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| 20:11.47 | Simplar | What's the proper abbreviation for a shipping container's identification number? |
| 20:13.48 | djohngo | I don't remember how to install xpath. It's not explicitly in the buster repos. |
| 20:14.01 | greycat | ,file bin/xpath |
| 20:14.03 | djohngo | Is it a perl library? |
| 20:14.07 | judd | Search for bin/xpath in buster/amd64: libxml-xpath-perl: usr/bin/xpath |
| 20:14.24 | greycat | it's in a package that's named like a perl library, but it's a file in /usr/ibn/ |
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| 20:14.27 | greycat | bin* |
| 20:14.59 | djohngo | which says it doesn't exist. |
| 20:15.21 | greycat | who says what doesn't exist, and what is the exact wording of this pronouncement? |
| 20:15.34 | djohngo | hehe |
| 20:15.55 | djohngo | "/usr/bin/which" |
| 20:16.28 | djohngo | judd: Thanks! That did the trick! |
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| 20:18.55 | jelly | judd: botsnack |
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| 20:19.41 | jelly | bot does not know how to respond to thanks. |
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| 20:21.16 | greycat | maybe it doesn't like snacks |
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| 20:38.00 | twobitsprite | Intel had their own 64-bit arch called Itanium, but it wasn't x86-compatible |
| 20:38.24 | greycat | Yes. Dead in the marketplace (nobody wanted it). |
| 20:38.39 | twobitsprite | HP did, or at least they thought they did :P |
| 20:39.05 | twobitsprite | I've worked on a few Itanium systems before, all HP servers |
| 20:39.50 | twobitsprite | pretty sure Debian even supported it for a while |
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| 21:03.12 | guest8383 | hi, a question: why when i use su i get command not found in binaries execution and when i use su - the commands are recognized? |
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| 21:03.20 | greycat | !buster su |
| 21:03.20 | dpkg | To start an interactive session with <su>, you should use "su -l" or "su -"; this has always been the case, but is now enforced in Debian 10 'buster', where the PATH is no longer reset in non-interactive sessions. Alternatively, you can ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for workarounds. |
| 21:03.33 | greycat | God I hate how that wording was changed... |
| 21:04.37 | greycat | dpkg, no, buster su is <reply>In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default. Quick workaround: use "su -l" or "su -". Longer-term fix: put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 21:04.39 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 21:05.43 | trui | wow, i'm learning how to make packages, and debhelper really has all of the essentials :D |
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| 21:08.34 | jelly | greycat: the confusion of "interactive" vs "login" shell (what su - actually tells shell to do) got on your nerve? |
| 21:09.13 | greycat | The implication that "su -" is the "correct" way, and "always has been", is fucking wrong, and fucking INFURIATING, yes. |
| 21:09.34 | greycat | Debian had it right for 25 years, and CAVED IN to the idiotic Red Hat way. |
| 21:09.46 | jelly | it's always been on multiple OSes, and not just Linux, if you wanted sanity |
| 21:10.29 | jelly | mostly because it was somewhat consistent across OSes |
| 21:10.35 | greycat | Behavior of su varies greatly across OSes. The BSDs historically, generally, did it the Red Hat way. The SysVs generally did it the Debian way. |
| 21:11.11 | greycat | There are individual deviations on both camps. |
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| 21:15.03 | jackal | hello, say the only thing in my ~/.profile is source ~/.bashrc. now, do I even need a .profile or .bashrc is sufficient; .bash_profile is not present |
| 21:15.12 | greycat | That's fine. |
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| 21:15.58 | jackal | I mean, is .bashrc sourced automatically upon each login |
| 21:16.06 | greycat | You want a .profile so that your .bashrc gets read when you ssh in, or login on the console, or run "xterm -ls". |
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| 21:16.17 | greycat | .bashrc is not normally read by a login shell. |
| 21:16.35 | jackal | aha |
| 21:16.45 | jackal | that's what I wanted to hear, thanks! |
| 21:17.09 | somiaj | One thing to note is .profile is used by multiple shells, if you want to source .bashrc, maybe use .bash_profile instead. |
| 21:17.52 | somiaj | doesn't make a difference for many users, just pointing that out. |
| 21:18.02 | greycat | Debian's /etc/skel/.profile sources .bashrc but only if BASH_VERSION is set |
| 21:18.11 | jackal | yes, aware of that, but I'm using bash anyway ;) |
| 21:18.19 | somiaj | ahh yea, that is another way around it |
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| 21:19.26 | jackal | that's the other odd thing I noticed in various .profiles - either $BASH is set or $BASH_VERSION; does it matter which? |
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| 21:20.18 | greycat | basically the presence of any variable beginning with BASH will indicate it's bash |
| 21:20.31 | greycat | different authors have different preferences |
| 21:21.09 | jackal | heh yeah |
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| 21:21.45 | jackal | another one is - if [ -f $HOME/.profile ] vs if [ -f ~/.profile ] |
| 21:22.11 | greycat | the former should have quotes |
| 21:22.18 | greycat | [ -f "$HOME/.profile" ] |
| 21:22.34 | jackal | yeah it does, my bad |
| 21:23.32 | jackal | but, in the end they mean the same thing |
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| 21:45.38 | frikinz | Bumblebee is still the recommended way for laptops with optimus? |
| 21:46.09 | somiaj | don't buy optimus...*hides* |
| 21:46.25 | somiaj | I think so, there is also another tool primus or something...let me double check on the name (I think it also uses bumblebee though) |
| 21:46.34 | frikinz | Yeah I know. I also wanted to avoid buying an HP but you know... money.. |
| 21:46.55 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/Optimus |
| 21:47.10 | frikinz | I've heard people saying its not really maintained and should go either full Nv or integrated |
| 21:47.12 | somiaj | on some machines you can just disable the intel card and only use the nvidia |
| 21:47.27 | frikinz | and watch your battery drop probably |
| 21:47.57 | somiaj | then disable nvidia and only use intel |
| 21:48.17 | frikinz | Got a new laptop. Non working wifi was due to buggy bios. solved with aspm=force. |
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| 21:48.50 | somiaj | seems there is some stuff you can do with nouveau and xorg on optimous, link was on the wiki page I linked |
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| 21:49.05 | brutser | hi, i have a test setup where i encrypt the whole disk, then install debian and have grub2 payload decrypt the disk, then i try to boot - i need some help with how to setup grub.cfg , but i am testing right now from the grub rescue, so i "cryptomount (ahci0)", then i "set root=crypto0", then i try configure the linux kernel, "linux /vmlinuz root=/ |
| 21:49.05 | brutser | ro quiet" that is what i am attempting right now and "initrd /initrd.img" - after that i try to boot, but that's giving kernel panic - do i need to change initrd to get this working? what do i need to do next? |
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| 21:49.30 | frikinz | nouveau and i915 will probably work indeed. have to try all 3 on performance and battery criteria |
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| 21:50.09 | OS-41857 | Hello All :) |
| 21:50.19 | mutante | brutser: sounds like it might be much easier to just select full disk encryption in Debian installer and let it do the things? |
| 21:50.21 | OS-41857 | i have a problem with my gdm3 in kali linux |
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| 21:50.41 | theciaguy | !kali |
| 21:50.41 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 21:50.49 | OS-41857 | after upgrade restart my pc and i just see the mouse :\ |
| 21:51.00 | OS-41857 | Yea Kali Linux |
| 21:51.08 | somiaj | !kali |
| 21:51.08 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 21:51.14 | somiaj | oh I'm slow |
| 21:51.20 | josspyker | hehe |
| 21:51.23 | theciaguy | OS-41857: Yes. Read what dpkg said on the topic. |
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| 21:52.08 | somiaj | OS-41857: kali linux is not meant for desktop use, even the developers of Kali say this. https://docs.kali.org/introduction/should-i-use-kali-linux |
| 21:52.09 | mutante | OS-41857: you could install normal Debian and then the pentesting tools you actually use |
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| 21:52.27 | OS-41857 | #kali-linu |
| 21:52.28 | josspyker | somiaj: try asking in #kali-linux |
| 21:52.44 | josspyker | oops |
| 21:53.52 | OS-41857 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.18 | dvs | /join? |
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| 21:54.45 | mutante | it's also a different network. so there will be more questions ... |
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| 21:55.00 | OS-41857 | no |
| 21:55.02 | mutante | oh, nevermind. just adding to general confusion |
| 21:55.22 | theciaguy | #kali-linux on freenode. Enjoy. |
| 21:55.51 | frikinz | /join #kali-linux |
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| 21:57.25 | dllbrt | Hey there! I just installed 32-bit 10.1.0 on an old system with an AMD Athlon XP processor and ran into opcode problems with a couple of programs. Does my processor fall outside the range of processors Debian is coded for? |
| 21:57.47 | brutser | matante: yes there are always easier solutions obviously |
| 21:58.52 | poot | dllbrt: Hot take would be that "a couple of programs" doesn't necessarily mean it's a systemic problem with Debian. You might want to file a bug report for the affected packages if they're part of the standard distribution. If they're from other repos, that is another ball of wax. |
| 21:59.02 | brutser | mutante: just my aim is to have grub2 decrypt the whole device without having kernel/initrd loaded yet |
| 21:59.21 | brutser | and it can perfectly do that with luks1 type |
| 21:59.29 | brutser | so that is what my question is about really... |
| 22:00.07 | jelly | dllbrt: which programs? |
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| 22:00.18 | mutante | brutser: curious what advantage you get? |
| 22:00.41 | mutante | brutser: sorry, i dont know the actual answer then. now i just want to learn myself why you do that |
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| 22:01.43 | frikinz | brutser: does it decrypt the whole disk or just mount it and decrypts on the fly? where is the decrypted disk stored? I don't really see how this could work tbh |
| 22:02.05 | theciaguy | See also "LUKS," "full disk encryption," etc. |
| 22:02.07 | dllbrt | poot, thanks. The programs were bibletime and Xiphos. I was fixing up an old system to be a kids' system for a family. Another quirk: I didn't find a general systm administration package, just synaptic. I'd like to be able to do some system setting like Mageia has. |
| 22:02.10 | frikinz | oh it works with luks1 mmh |
| 22:02.12 | theciaguy | It works all day, every day, on millions of systems. |
| 22:02.13 | jelly | brutser: where precisely does this kernel panic happen? Maybe you just don't have luks things inside the initramfs image |
| 22:02.32 | brutser | frikinz: let's say it's /dev/sda that is encrypted with luks1 type - then grub2 is capable of decrypting it without kernel/initrd, just by adding the right modules |
| 22:02.32 | theciaguy | GRUB2 can directly unlock LUKS containers without an initramfs if the container is LUKS1. |
| 22:02.41 | brutser | theciaguy: yes exact |
| 22:02.51 | brutser | let me repeat what i wrote in the question >> |
| 22:02.53 | frikinz | brutser: yes but once you boot? |
| 22:03.16 | jelly | theciaguy: but the kernel needs to be able to decrpt/open it again itself. |
| 22:03.28 | frikinz | yep.. |
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| 22:03.54 | brutser | yes, then i boot and i get grub rescue because no bootable device - i decrypt the /dev/sda with "cryptomount (ahci0)" which is the first ssd - that takes a bit of time, because grub decrypt is slow |
| 22:03.55 | theciaguy | jelly: And that should be easy to accomplish if the kernel/initramfs have the necessary things. |
| 22:04.40 | brutser | then i need to set root > "set root=crypto0" - (crypto0) is the decrypted /dev/sda - i can then do ls / and it show me the root filesystem , everything good so far |
| 22:04.57 | brutser | now i need to set grub's boot parameters, so the kernel and initrd |
| 22:04.59 | jelly | brutser: where is your grub installed if the whole of /dev/sda is your luks device? |
| 22:05.13 | theciaguy | Oof. Don't use the bare device. DEFINITELY use a partition. |
| 22:05.16 | brutser | jelly: it's a coreboot with grub2 as payload |
| 22:05.21 | jelly | nice |
| 22:05.25 | brutser | so i guess it's on the bios |
| 22:06.17 | brutser | theciaguy: yea maybe you right abt that, but that is not causing the problem i think, but maybe i'm wrong |
| 22:06.34 | jelly | brutser: well this ought to work in theory. In practice however grub.cfg will be different than usual, and /etc/crypttab might be slightly different as well |
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| 22:07.08 | brutser | jelly: yes exact, i cannot find an example, so i am trial-error-ing |
| 22:07.48 | brutser | I need to point to the kernel and initrd, so > "linux /vmlinuz root=/ ro quiet" - i wonder if that's the correct line "root=/" seems a bit weird |
| 22:08.31 | brutser | but the kernel panic most likely come from crypttab being wrong |
| 22:08.54 | brutser | anyway, i will continue trial-error :) |
| 22:09.01 | jelly | brutser: you need to tell the kernel where the device with your root filesystem will be, and root=/ ... / is not a valid device path |
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| 22:09.48 | jelly | brutser: /dev/mapper/crypto0 might be a valid device path. or /dev/mapper/vgname-lvname |
| 22:09.49 | brutser | jelly: yea, but when grub2 decrypt the /dev/sda it create a (crypto0) device (?) |
| 22:09.57 | brutser | oh ok |
| 22:10.04 | jelly | what grub calls it is not relevant. |
| 22:10.14 | jelly | (for Linux) |
| 22:10.32 | brutser | let me try /dev/mapper/crypto0 |
| 22:11.20 | jelly | brutser: but the prequisites first: is cryptsetup package installed inside debian? |
| 22:11.42 | jelly | brutser: if it is, what are the contents of /etc/crypttab ? |
| 22:11.59 | jelly | your decrypted device name will be there |
| 22:12.24 | jelly | and your /etc/fstab should have the / filesystem device name. |
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| 22:14.30 | jelly | and the initramfs should be created on that / only after cryptsetup (cryptsetup-initramfs more precisely, probably) is installed |
| 22:14.52 | jelly | debian does not create an initramfs-with-everything-just-in-case |
| 22:15.34 | brutser | jelly: that is exact where the problem is yes, i thought it would just work because grub is decrypting the device and then everything else would work, but obviously that's not the case |
| 22:16.05 | brutser | i thought i do decryption before load of kernel and initramfs , so then it would just be a decrypted "normal" system after grub is finished |
| 22:16.28 | brutser | but you are absolutely right, that's not the case |
| 22:17.12 | dllbrt | When the program that upgrades the microcode in a processor tries to transfer that code, is there anything that guarantees the transfer gets completed before the processor tries to move on to the next bit of code? |
| 22:17.26 | jelly | no, after grub passes control to the kernel, kernel does everything from the start again. Hardware is enumerated, drivers are loaded, and any encrypted disks mentioned in initramfs are opened again |
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| 22:18.35 | brutser | jelly: but my thought was, if i dont tell initramfs it's an encrypted disk, which it is not anymore after grub passes control to the kernel, then it would boot normal? where do i go wrong with my thinking? |
| 22:18.42 | TESTED123 | hey. How do i run old software that uses old libs? |
| 22:18.47 | jelly | brutser: grub is a tiny separate operating system, its drivers (to read the disk, decrypt the disk, to understand the filesystem structure and read files) are completely separate from Linux |
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| 22:20.02 | jelly | brutser: and right now there is no protocol (that I know of) to pass the crypto keys from grub to linux kernel whne control is passed. You unlock the same disk twice during boot, once for grub, once for Linux |
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| 22:20.58 | brutser | jelly: yea you are right |
| 22:21.14 | gry | if i want to self host something like github but simpler. just to show my current code and allow other people to upload theirs. what platform would you suggest? something thats packaged for debian. |
| 22:21.16 | brutser | so i need to setup some keyfile for initramfs, so i dont need enter passphrase twice |
| 22:21.24 | ryouma | but it asks for pass phrase only once? |
| 22:21.25 | jelly | TESTED123: if you're lucky you can install old libs from old debian releases and their repos. |
| 22:21.44 | TESTED123 | is it possible to install old libs without breaking the system? |
| 22:22.22 | jelly | ryouma: what is "it"? grub asks once. initramfs asks once. That's two times total. |
| 22:22.39 | brutser | jelly: ok, so i need to focus on initramfs if i want to make this work and have some scripts that take care of decryption with the keyfile, that should in theory at least work, you do the same with encrypted /boot basically |
| 22:23.14 | frikinz | dllbrt: some info here: http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/non-free/i/intel-microcode/unstable_README.Debian |
| 22:23.19 | brutser | jelly: thanks for pointing me the right way! |
| 22:23.49 | frikinz | gry: gitlab |
| 22:23.56 | jelly | ,v gitlab |
| 22:23.57 | judd | Package: gitlab on amd64 -- stretch-backports/contrib: 11.4.9+dfsg-2~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 11.8.10+dfsg-1; experimental/contrib: 12.1.13-2 |
| 22:24.13 | gry | is there something less javascript intensive? |
| 22:24.17 | jelly | I'm not sure that has security support in debian. |
| 22:24.29 | jelly | see it not being available in stable... |
| 22:24.48 | Unit193 | It's in fasttrack. I'd say 'gitea', but that's not in Debian. |
| 22:24.59 | jelly | what does sh.rt run on? |
| 22:25.21 | Unit193 | sr.ht? Homegrown. |
| 22:25.30 | frikinz | He said packaged for debian, not in the debian repository. I run gitlabs own package gitlab-ce for a year without a problem |
| 22:26.13 | dllbrt | frikinz, thank you. It isn't the first distro I've seen opcode problems with, and if there's a timing issue, that might be the easiest to take care of |
| 22:26.29 | frikinz | But you need quite a lot of ram for gitlab. A ridiculous amount of ram. |
| 22:26.50 | ryouma | jelly: please allow me to rephrase: "but the user is asked only once for a pass phrase upon booting from a stopped machine, for the root partition?" |
| 22:27.08 | ryouma | i don't think it asks twice |
| 22:27.16 | jelly | ryouma: is she really? Did you try it? |
| 22:27.19 | ryouma | (the machine) |
| 22:27.30 | Unit193 | https://lists.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/sr.ht-discuss/%3C878svr8b25.fsf%40iris.silentflame.com%3E |
| 22:27.30 | ryouma | jelly: yes, i was asked only once for the pass phrase |
| 22:27.50 | ddevault | FYI debian packages for sr.ht are now available |
| 22:28.00 | ddevault | https://man.sr.ht/packages.md#debian |
| 22:28.37 | jelly | ryouma: that either means there's a key stored in initramfs (which is not really a huge problem, since it's on encrypted / anyway), or there's actually some well known protocol to pass the key data now |
| 22:29.26 | ryouma | no clue. but isn't the archived initramfs on plaintext boot partition (i guess "also")? |
| 22:29.42 | ryouma | so i guess you mean stored in the active initramfs |
| 22:30.24 | jelly | ryouma: the whole point of this exercise is there is no plaintext /boot at all, everything on disk is encrypted |
| 22:30.31 | Unit193 | ddevault: Thanks for the link. |
| 22:30.35 | ddevault | np |
| 22:31.04 | ryouma | jelly: i see, you were talking about the goal, not the current status |
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| 22:31.28 | ryouma | (i mean the status with plaintext boot) |
| 22:31.32 | frikinz | it's more an academic goal right? :) |
| 22:31.49 | ryouma | dunno, would be nice i think |
| 22:31.51 | ryouma | if possible |
| 22:32.15 | jelly | ryouma: people who have the "current status" as "problem solved" don't typically come in here to ask questions |
| 22:32.32 | jelly | so we're usually always talking about the goal |
| 22:32.36 | ryouma | um, i was just trying to clarify |
| 22:32.43 | ryouma | you used present tense |
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| 22:32.51 | frikinz | actually avoiding a tamper of the kernel |
| 22:32.57 | ryouma | yeah |
| 22:33.14 | frikinz | unless you use secureboot |
| 22:34.19 | jelly | I'm not sure coreboot supports secureboot. |
| 22:34.38 | ryouma | i was wodnering if you could use hashes and your own "salt" or similar to make tampering detectable |
| 22:34.59 | theciaguy | See also "tripwire." |
| 22:35.07 | ryouma | i mean at boot time |
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| 22:35.21 | ryouma | like, you'd have even the hash program modified |
| 22:35.21 | theciaguy | Without a hardware-based root of trust, it won't matter. |
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| 22:35.34 | theciaguy | That's a terrible idea. |
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| 22:56.59 | ezni | !man parrot-os |
| 22:56.59 | dpkg | man parrot-os is probably at http://manpages.debian.org/parrot-os where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>. |
| 22:57.13 | ezni | !dpkg parrot-os |
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| 22:57.32 | ezni | !dpkg channel parrot-os |
| 22:57.36 | ezni | !man parrot-os channel |
| 22:57.36 | dpkg | man parrot-os channel is probably at http://manpages.debian.org/parrot-os/channel , where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>. |
| 22:57.48 | Unit193 | ezni: See /msg alis help list |
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| 23:03.06 | annadane | !parrot |
| 23:03.06 | dpkg | Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrotsec on Freenode, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 23:03.14 | annadane | ezni, ^ if you have questions best to ask there |
| 23:03.17 | annadane | parrot is not debian |
| 23:03.38 | annadane | also, man pages aren't an IRC thing, they're something you read in your terminal |
| 23:03.46 | annadane | also, please consider not using parrot if you're a UNIX beginner |
| 23:03.49 | ezni | whats the difference between parrotsec.org parrotlinux.org ? |
| 23:04.03 | annadane | i don't know, because we support debian and are familiar with debian, not parrot |
| 23:05.15 | ezni | worried about scam |
| 23:05.22 | ezni | linux fam scam |
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| 23:05.45 | annadane | !whynotpentesting |
| 23:05.46 | dpkg | For some reasons why Kali/Parrot/Other based-on-Debian penetration testing distributions shouldn't be used as a home desktop, see https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/399626/why-is-kali-linux-so-hard-to-set-up-why-wont-people-help-me |
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| 23:06.00 | ezni | suspisious site: parrotsec.org official site parrotlinux.org |
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| 23:06.20 | theciaguy | ezni: To be blunt, we don't care. This is #debian, not #parrotsec. |
| 23:06.24 | mutante | ezni: official site debian.org |
| 23:06.31 | ezni | ok |
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| 23:07.00 | theciaguy | And given that he didn't realize that one is just a redirect to the other, parrot isn't his bird. |
| 23:07.39 | annadane | if you're new to linux please consider using debian, i promise it's worth it and you'll have an easier time |
| 23:07.43 | annadane | parrot is a specialized thing |
| 23:07.48 | annadane | but you do what you want |
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| 23:07.59 | theciaguy | He already left. |
| 23:07.59 | annadane | aaaand the curse of disabling joins/parts strikes again |
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| 23:10.11 | annadane | i actually hear parrot is less hard to use/strictly for only pentesters than kali is... but still, newbies shouldn't be using it |
| 23:10.15 | annadane | probably |
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| 23:11.13 | theciaguy | I haven't messed with it in ages. |
| 23:11.29 | annadane | parrot at least tries to be a desktop |
| 23:11.34 | somiaj | gotta learn somewhere, I wonder what it is about pentest distros that get users looking for help over irc, or maybe other distros are now taking a bit more effort to make #debian not default for their irc clients. |
| 23:11.58 | somiaj | well I should say debian-based distros |
| 23:12.06 | theciaguy | somiaj: Yes, you have to learn somewhere, but parrot is not that somewhere. Or Kali, etc. |
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| 23:12.36 | somiaj | steeper learning curve, though I always like to link the kali doc that says you probably shoudn't use kali if you don't know what you are doing. |
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| 23:13.58 | theciaguy | Telling a Linux user to start on Parrot/Kali is like handing a toddler a full platter of freshly-stoned knives and telling them to learn how to juggle without guidance or instruction. |
| 23:14.11 | theciaguy | Is it possible that they'll meet with success? Sure. Likely? Noooope. |
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| 23:16.44 | nb-ben | does that distro not have a modern window manager installed? |
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| 23:17.17 | nb-ben | or the normal gnu binaries to use in the terminal? |
| 23:17.34 | theciaguy | Parrot, maybe. Kali, certainly not. They're both largely intended for audiences that possess security expertise, and as such, come loaded with a litany of tools that can get one into technical, civil, or legal trouble. |
| 23:17.53 | somiaj | nb-ben: https://docs.kali.org/introduction/should-i-use-kali-linux -- kali is a very specialized distro that doesn't even have full kernel features |
| 23:18.10 | somiaj | parrot is a bit more, but still, they are meant for pentesters who know what they are doing, not a daily use distro. |
| 23:18.52 | mutante | are those tools also normal Debian packages and could simply be installed with APT as needed? |
| 23:19.26 | somiaj | mutante: many are, but not all (from my understanding). I don't know the full list of tools to compare. |
| 23:19.34 | theciaguy | To return to my analogy: There's a difference between knives in the drawer and handing them to the toddler. |
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| 23:22.24 | nb-ben | not that I'm an expert pen tested, but besides for having tools that you need preinstalled, the branding, and the broken nature of the system which apparently makes it so much difficult to use, what benefit is there for pen testers by using it? |
| 23:22.31 | nb-ben | pen-tester * |
| 23:22.44 | jelly | my pens don't need that much testing |
| 23:23.21 | jelly | oh wait this isn't #debian-offtopic |
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