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| 00:35.30 | noobforever8 | hi |
| 00:36.04 | annadane | not forever, surely |
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| 00:36.35 | noobforever8 | iam trapped in a terminal world |
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| 00:36.59 | noobforever8 | have some basic questions |
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| 00:39.42 | noobforever8 | i created a special user to run jobs added him in sudo but i dont want him be asked for password everytime sudo is used |
| 00:40.33 | noobforever8 | used visudo |
| 00:40.51 | noobforever8 | to add nopasswd line to user |
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| 00:41.05 | noobforever8 | but keep asking passwd |
| 00:43.13 | SerajewelKS | i'm converting a non-luks device to luks. i know that initially one should write /dev/urandom over the device before setting up luks for security reasons. obviously that isn't possible if i'm going to be pvmove-ing existing volumes onto it. |
| 00:43.33 | SerajewelKS | would it suffice to, after moving the volumes over, dd-ing from /dev/urandom into a new file until the disk is nearly full, then rm-ing the file? |
| 00:43.39 | noobforever8 | guess i dont added him to sudo group |
| 00:44.04 | SerajewelKS | or is there some other recommended way to fill the free space in the volume with random data? |
| 00:46.33 | noobforever8 | elinks is fun but not productive |
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| 00:48.55 | hanif | hello guys |
| 00:49.12 | noobforever8 | what should i include in sudoers file? must i refresh something? |
| 00:49.32 | SerajewelKS | noobforever8: if you added the user to the group while they have a session, that session doesn't get the new group |
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| 00:49.39 | SerajewelKS | noobforever8: you have to use newgrp or log out and back in |
| 00:50.01 | SerajewelKS | noobforever8: you can see which groups the current process is in by running "id" in the terminal |
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| 00:51.46 | noobforever8 | the group name of sudo is sudoers? i can do a usermod |
| 00:52.04 | noobforever8 | sorry i am a noob |
| 00:52.47 | SerajewelKS | on my system the group is called sudo |
| 00:53.02 | SerajewelKS | if there is a line in sudoers by default it would start with %sudo |
| 00:53.12 | SerajewelKS | which means "users in the sudo group" |
| 00:53.26 | SerajewelKS | you could also just list the username in there directly |
| 00:53.30 | noobforever8 | SerajewelKS i am already in root group with the special user |
| 00:53.37 | SerajewelKS | you are in the root group!? |
| 00:53.57 | noobforever8 | ahan |
| 00:54.03 | SerajewelKS | yeah don't do that |
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| 00:54.47 | SerajewelKS | only root should be in the root group |
| 00:55.20 | noobforever8 | ok how to unwind the mess usermod? |
| 00:56.03 | SerajewelKS | noobforever8: deluser the_user root |
| 00:57.04 | noobforever8 | done |
| 00:57.38 | SerajewelKS | noobforever8: so then try "adduser the_user sudo" |
| 00:57.48 | SerajewelKS | if that works, log out and back in with that user. then try running sudo again. |
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| 01:03.06 | noobforever8 | Sera: still asks for password when sudo is used |
| 01:03.56 | warsoul | the kernel version 5.0.0 is available for update on debian? |
| 01:06.01 | LtL | he wants something like username ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL in /etc/sudoers via visudo |
| 01:06.13 | noobforever8 | there is an entry in visudo NOPASSWD for the user i inserted there |
| 01:06.20 | LtL | craziness |
| 01:07.13 | noobforever8 | thats the life.... and i am trapped in terminal world |
| 01:08.35 | LtL | noobforever8: if theres a syntax error it won't work, can't guarantee my syntax will work but its close |
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| 01:09.31 | noobforever8 | i shall remove the line |
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| 01:10.31 | noobforever8 | still asks for password |
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| 01:11.24 | LtL | man sudoers |
| 01:11.35 | LtL | its in there |
| 01:11.49 | gry | pastebin your sudoers file if you like |
| 01:12.29 | noobforever8 | wait a minute |
| 01:13.54 | LtL | did you login to the mytsery users account with su -l mysteryuser then try |
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| 01:15.27 | LtL | that applies if you are a different user on the same box |
| 01:16.16 | noobforever8 | in etc there is only sudoers.d inside only README |
| 01:16.27 | gry | dont edit it like that |
| 01:16.40 | gry | there is some command |
| 01:16.45 | gry | maybe 'sudo visudo' |
| 01:17.56 | LtL | visudo as root to be safe and clean |
| 01:18.17 | noobforever8 | visudo works but you asked for pastebin |
| 01:18.26 | gry | you can pastebin from vi |
| 01:18.35 | gry | it's a pretty small file |
| 01:19.05 | noobforever8 | really i dont know where is the file |
| 01:19.37 | LtL | /etc/sudoers or you messed something up |
| 01:19.54 | noobforever8 | sudoers.d |
| 01:20.25 | LtL | should have both |
| 01:20.46 | gry | do not look at the sudoers.d directory; read the /etc/sudoers file instead |
| 01:20.46 | noobforever8 | i see the configuration in visudo |
| 01:20.54 | LtL | but maybe thats my system, doubt it though |
| 01:21.17 | noobforever8 | /etc/sudoers do not exist |
| 01:21.41 | noobforever8 | sorry |
| 01:21.45 | LtL | noobforever8: then its in /etc/sudoers.d/ i suppose |
| 01:21.46 | noobforever8 | its there |
| 01:21.55 | noobforever8 | wait |
| 01:23.28 | noobforever8 | 1105463 |
| 01:23.33 | noobforever8 | pastebin |
| 01:23.44 | LtL | pastebinit /etc/sudoers |
| 01:23.50 | noobforever8 | yes |
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| 01:27.57 | noobforever8 | did you got it? |
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| 01:32.24 | LtL | you didn't edit anything that i see, certainly not wht you want |
| 01:32.28 | noobforever8 | i shall try NOPASSWD again might be an error in typing |
| 01:32.51 | LtL | username ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL |
| 01:33.00 | noobforever8 | yes |
| 01:33.25 | LtL | right under root's entry |
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| 01:39.31 | noobforever8 | i did NOPASSWD in sudoers logged out and in with the user and still asks for password |
| 01:40.09 | LtL | noobforever8: you did that whole line? |
| 01:40.27 | noobforever8 | yes |
| 01:40.48 | LtL | sorry, don't know |
| 01:42.55 | gry | you may wish to pastebin your /etc/sudoers |
| 01:43.06 | noobforever8 | the strange thing is that in another installation i was able to do sudo without password with the same proccedings |
| 01:43.20 | noobforever8 | ill do it again pastebin |
| 01:44.18 | noobforever8 | 1105465 |
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| 01:47.18 | SerajewelKS | noobforever8: i usually have a space between the colon and the rest (NOPASSWD: ALL) |
| 01:47.42 | SerajewelKS | noobforever8: i don't know if it's mandatory, but if it is then that could be the issue. maybe it's parsed to allow you to run the single command "NOPASSWD:ALL" and require a password while doing so |
| 01:48.15 | SerajewelKS | the lexer might only consider NOPASSWD: to be the special token if it's followed by a non-word character |
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| 01:53.14 | LtL | put a space before the last ALL |
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| 01:56.01 | LtL | SerajewelKS: i believe you're right. my misstake i though i wrote it right |
| 01:56.30 | LtL | username ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 01:57.25 | LtL | noobforever8: no logout needed |
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| 02:00.39 | warsoul | im trying to delete a directory with rm -r directory |
| 02:00.43 | warsoul | and im getting this |
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| 02:00.47 | warsoul | rm: descend into write-protected directory |
| 02:01.00 | warsoul | rm: descend into write-protected directory ? |
| 02:01.17 | LtL | try rm -rf |
| 02:01.28 | LtL | be careful |
| 02:02.18 | warsoul | LtL, why? |
| 02:02.32 | warsoul | im erasing ircd on /etc/ i installed yesterday |
| 02:02.41 | LtL | warsoul: cd to the parent dir, why? so you don't nuke something |
| 02:02.45 | SerajewelKS | i wonder how crazy it would be to use an AWS EBS as a temporary PV for a raid mirror during a raid migration |
| 02:02.53 | SerajewelKS | in write-mostly mode of course |
| 02:03.07 | LtL | warsoul: ircd's are not easy |
| 02:03.42 | warsoul | ok |
| 02:03.45 | SerajewelKS | i need 12TB of temporary block device(s) to do a migration with redundancy the whole time |
| 02:03.55 | warsoul | LtL, how can i check if my linux is running everything OK? |
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| 02:04.35 | LtL | warsoul: read /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages for starters. |
| 02:05.40 | LtL | SerajewelKS: no raid experience here, sorry. |
| 02:05.52 | warsoul | LtL, syslog https://termbin.com/rygk |
| 02:06.51 | warsoul | LtL, messages https://termbin.com/rakv |
| 02:07.21 | noobforever8 | for sure i am missing something ... |
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| 02:08.52 | noobforever8 | the references in the web are conflictant |
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| 02:11.04 | SerajewelKS | i've seen similar weirdness with sudoers but it has always involved some nsswitch oddity where id->name lookups worked but name->id lookups didn't |
| 02:11.14 | SerajewelKS | or at least that's what i recall. it's been awhile. |
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| 02:12.38 | LtL | warsoul: i don't see any problems |
| 02:13.13 | warsoul | LtL, good thanks |
| 02:13.51 | LtL | warsoul: you're welcome |
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| 02:15.20 | warsoul | LtL, where are you from |
| 02:15.29 | LtL | usa |
| 02:16.06 | dvs | 'merica |
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| 02:21.28 | noobforever8 | the reality its just a maintenance automation |
| 02:21.42 | noobforever8 | can do by hand |
| 02:22.11 | noobforever8 | but is frustrating |
| 02:22.32 | noobforever8 | i know can be done |
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| 02:27.59 | beavis | i havea problems, it appears my gnu screen session stopped taking any input |
| 02:28.14 | beavis | what would be a key combination to take it back to normal? |
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| 02:40.09 | noobforever8 | i am starting to think that is a "security" updade, run sudo without password is unsecure but automated jobs are not so smart to input password |
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| 02:40.39 | gry | noobforever8: where is the pastebin? |
| 02:40.49 | gry | noobforever8: link it here |
| 02:42.30 | noobforever8 | ive done so many tweaks gonna put it clean as should be woking as normal |
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| 02:45.28 | noobforever8 | 1105470 |
| 02:45.54 | noobforever8 | as should be working |
| 02:46.12 | noobforever8 | and asks for pass |
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| 02:56.02 | noobforever8 | there is nothing secret in my system ... yet... i can provide it full for download |
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| 03:17.26 | noobforever8 | i have to take a break |
| 03:17.41 | noobforever8 | thanks for the efforts |
| 03:18.02 | noobforever8 | see ya |
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| 04:27.46 | m0rd3cai | Hey does anyone know why security-cdn.debian.org is down? |
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| 04:36.48 | m0rd3cai | really... |
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| 04:45.19 | m0rd3cai | can you ping security.debian.org also please? Im able to ping it but with apt it wont connect. |
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| 05:31.35 | annadane | more of a theoretical question than anything but if i was upgrading or installing something and apt's operation got interrupted, would it show pending operations in say an apt update output? |
| 05:31.42 | annadane | "x packages not upgraded" or so? |
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| 05:33.30 | OerHeks | 1 not fully installed, i guess |
| 05:34.01 | annadane | oh yeah i think i've actually gotten that before |
| 05:34.16 | annadane | i'm just paranoid because i tend to forget my terminal sessions |
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| 05:35.30 | OerHeks | apt install -f would pick it up |
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| 05:39.13 | Kyros | if you close a terminal with apt running it will continue in the background |
| 05:39.55 | darxmurf | but don't try under CentOS with yum :D |
| 05:40.47 | annadane | i think xfce-terminal prompts you anyway |
| 05:40.51 | annadane | if you close a running process |
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| 06:47.22 | c010r | hi |
| 06:47.35 | gry | hi |
| 06:48.22 | Haohmaru | error: "hi" is not recognized as an internal or external command. |
| 06:48.48 | Haohmaru | did you mean "format C:\" ? |
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| 06:48.54 | c010r | how can i download/install the latest version of irssi? the one in the repository is old and vulnerable |
| 06:49.09 | c010r | and im semin00b |
| 06:49.16 | Haohmaru | ,v irssi |
| 06:49.17 | judd | Package: irssi on amd64 -- jessie: 0.8.17-1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 0.8.17-1+deb8u5; stretch: 1.0.7-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.0.7-1~deb9u1; stretch-backports: 1.2.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1.2.0-2; bullseye: 1.2.2-1; sid: 1.2.2-1+b1 |
| 06:49.19 | c010r | to linux and to irc |
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| 06:49.35 | Haohmaru | normally you don't go and download stuff from random places |
| 06:49.53 | c010r | i tried apt-get first. |
| 06:50.06 | c010r | but it gave me a very outdayed version |
| 06:50.06 | Haohmaru | on debian, there is a package manager, and if you want your life to go smoothly everything you install/uninstall should go thru the package manager |
| 06:50.22 | c010r | i used apt-get |
| 06:50.28 | Haohmaru | is version 1.2.2-1 good enough for you? |
| 06:50.43 | c010r | im using versin 0.8.15 |
| 06:50.57 | c010r | so that sounds like a signifigant improvement |
| 06:51.06 | binaryhermit | It's likely that the security patches have been backported to the curretly supporte staable releases |
| 06:51.08 | Haohmaru | uh, wait, what debian are you running? |
| 06:51.16 | Haohmaru | jessie? |
| 06:51.18 | c010r | linuxmint |
| 06:51.20 | ratrace | yeah, 0.8.15 is in none of debians |
| 06:51.23 | Haohmaru | that's not debian even |
| 06:51.28 | binaryhermit | probably something older than oldoldsrtable |
| 06:51.37 | binaryhermit | *oldoldstable |
| 06:51.45 | ratrace | binaryhermit: and even that is 0.8.17 |
| 06:51.55 | Haohmaru | no, he ain't even running debian |
| 06:51.59 | Haohmaru | i'm calling teh cops |
| 06:52.15 | c010r | oh.... well i installed linux mint, but i thought it was based upon debian |
| 06:52.25 | c010r | so its topical |
| 06:52.32 | ratrace | c010r: well, I recommend to fix this by installing debian. then you'll get 1.2.0 in stable, with two fixes currently pending |
| 06:52.46 | ratrace | c010r: that's not debian though. |
| 06:52.48 | Haohmaru | c010r thousands of distributions are "based on debian" |
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| 06:52.53 | Haohmaru | none of them is debian |
| 06:53.01 | c010r | oh.... well changing OSes is a lil bit too much right now |
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| 06:53.13 | ratrace | they're all using apt and .deb packaging format. that's all they have in common with debian |
| 06:53.16 | Haohmaru | i mean, seek help in linux mint channels |
| 06:53.43 | binaryhermit | some of those distro's stuff is pulled in from debian |
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| 06:53.47 | c010r | ok. but theoretically, is it possible for me to use any debian package? |
| 06:53.55 | binaryhermit | that's a bad idea |
| 06:53.58 | c010r | since its based upon debian |
| 06:54.08 | Haohmaru | c010r other than that, it should be possible (on any linux) to take the source code of the latest (or so) version and build it |
| 06:54.24 | c010r | i have no idea how to do that |
| 06:54.29 | binaryhermit | https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian |
| 06:54.41 | binaryhermit | except not exactly the same, but close enough |
| 06:54.50 | Haohmaru | Frankbian |
| 06:55.02 | Haohmaru | debistein |
| 06:55.05 | c010r | id probably cause more problems than i fix, by attempting such as thing |
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| 06:55.18 | c010r | *a thing\ |
| 06:55.31 | Haohmaru | with linux, play along the rules or suffer |
| 06:55.39 | Haohmaru | that's what i've learnt |
| 06:55.50 | c010r | thats the same on windows and mac too |
| 06:56.21 | Haohmaru | with windows you suffer no matter what |
| 06:56.34 | Haohmaru | and i wouldn't use mac at all |
| 06:56.34 | c010r | only difference is that windows and mac do everything within their power to attempt to make it IMPOSSIBLE for the end user to customize ANYTHING |
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| 06:57.15 | c010r | mac is for rich and stupid ppl. windows if for middleclass/poor stupid ppl. |
| 06:57.37 | ratrace | facepalms |
| 06:57.56 | c010r | lol |
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| 07:00.58 | Haohmaru | i agree ^ |
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| 07:01.47 | annadane | "hi! i'm a mac. and i'm a pc" |
| 07:01.50 | Haohmaru | and since i'm not rich, when i bought my first comput0r, it came with pirated win98 pre-installed |
| 07:02.16 | Haohmaru | but win98 was gud |
| 07:02.42 | annadane | and probably full of security holes, but i liked it |
| 07:02.48 | Haohmaru | yeah |
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| 07:02.58 | annadane | how does anyone use win 10... |
| 07:03.10 | Haohmaru | now crapdows10 is absolute &*!(@*! |
| 07:03.26 | Haohmaru | it progressively gets worse with every new version |
| 07:06.11 | binaryhermit | Windows 10 wasn't *that* bad last I used it, before I installed Debian on this laptop. Debian, on the other hand, needed extreme manual intervention to get a booting install because the installer freezes (or something like that) while configuring grub on at least some Apollo Lake HW |
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| 07:06.44 | binaryhermit | so after I figured that out I had to boot the installer into rescue mode and install rEFInd |
| 07:06.56 | annadane | yeah debian you run into potentially a) too new of hardware or b) needing non-free firmware |
| 07:07.23 | binaryhermit | ...Apollo Lake isn't that new, and the only non-free FW on this is the wifi |
| 07:07.46 | Haohmaru | sounds like a craptop comput0r |
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| 07:08.36 | Haohmaru | but sure the big companies put effort into making their stuff work with crapdows and mac, linux is kinda left floating |
| 07:08.36 | binaryhermit | looks like the mobile and desktop versions came out Q3 2016, and this was a fairly recent attempt at installing |
| 07:08.58 | binaryhermit | I suspect Acer did something weird with their EFI |
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| 07:10.09 | binaryhermit | anyway, it's this chip, which unless Intel's lying on their site, is like 3 years old https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/95592/intel-pentium-processor-n4200-2m-cache-up-to-2-5-ghz.html |
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| 07:10.52 | binaryhermit | which is probably in theory in the sweet spot between "not bleeding edge" and "not so horrendously ancient it's completely unsupported |
| 07:11.57 | annadane | i have no idea how to "shop for" linux/bsd compatible stuff. i got lucky with my computer |
| 07:12.16 | binaryhermit | I've been pretty lucky, outside of this one |
| 07:13.06 | binaryhermit | and after staying up all night making it work it's been fine |
| 07:13.08 | frikinz | Also have problems getting debian fully working on my new HP. Up to now, the buggy thing is the BIOS exposing a wrong ACPI table. |
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| 07:13.33 | frikinz | Wifi, Nvidia, Optimus, Touchpad. All proprietary sh1t |
| 07:13.38 | ratrace | I never shopped for linux. Everything always just work. I just never bought HW released literally days or weeks before. |
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| 07:13.57 | frikinz | One year old laptop. i7-8750H |
| 07:14.16 | frikinz | Nvidia GFX 1060. Really mainstream I expected |
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| 07:14.36 | annadane | i will say it's probably worth keeping debian point releases up to date on usb sticks or whatever |
| 07:14.45 | annadane | could involve a difference in being able to install sometimes |
| 07:15.14 | annadane | i tend to update every point release, i know some people don't bother until the next major version |
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| 07:16.11 | ratrace | I have a custom debian installation on an USB stick that I regularly update. it's a full (console) live env, with all the tools I'd need to debootstrap or rescue computers I use. |
| 07:16.17 | frikinz | i tend to install testing for laptop. Or at least get kernel from backport. But that didn't help. The bios indicates no pci aspm while it does pci aspm. There's nothing an OS can do to decide which ACPI is wrong... |
| 07:17.26 | frikinz | The same for nvidia which is known to give wrong ACPI information. There are several bugs opened on the matter and nvidia is not doing anything. |
| 07:17.52 | annadane | yeah, well, i know my next computer will probably be AMD |
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| 07:18.26 | frikinz | It's amazing cause on their website this laptop can be shipped with linux. |
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| 07:18.33 | c010r | hi again |
| 07:19.46 | Tuxist | good morning any dak people here ? |
| 07:20.02 | frikinz | On my previous Asus laptop, I had better support on debian than on wintendo though |
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| 07:20.37 | c010r | so every time i ask a technical question on a forum or irc channel, eveybody keeps telling me that i just need to switch to their distro. and that will solve the prob. |
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| 07:21.06 | c010r | for example... im using linuxmint. abnd ppl tell me to switch to debian. or arch. etc. |
| 07:21.33 | ratrace | I told you because you're asking in #debian on how to use #linuxmint |
| 07:21.49 | c010r | i know this is a debian chan so ppl will probably say swithc to debian |
| 07:21.54 | ratrace | if you asked there, for your linux mint troubles, I wouldn't tell you to install debian, if I were there too :) |
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| 07:22.02 | c010r | lol... ok ok ok |
| 07:22.36 | c010r | so are there any compelling reasons one WOULD want to switch to Debian? |
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| 07:23.16 | annadane | https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian https://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian (this link is old but some of it still applies) |
| 07:23.20 | c010r | is it objectively better than mint in any ways you know of? im not ruling out the possibility of switching, if there are fundmental advantages to one over the other |
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| 07:23.32 | Butt3rfly | well you could try it yourself and find out if you find it more suitable than anything else? |
| 07:23.53 | c010r | im a beginner, and many ppl said that linuxmint is great for ppl with a windows background. |
| 07:23.56 | Butt3rfly | then you would know for yourself and wouldn't "need" someone elses recommendation |
| 07:24.13 | ratrace | Butt3rfly: sound advice. |
| 07:24.18 | Butt3rfly | :) |
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| 07:24.31 | annadane | i haven't used mint so i can't really comment, but debian does have the most developers and likely the most packages of any linux distribution, stable releases once every 2 years so it's pretty well tested |
| 07:25.00 | c010r | i heard that linuxmint is based on debian, but is "easier" than debian for noobs who want to gradually switch from windows to linux. true? |
| 07:25.08 | ratrace | google switched from ubuntu to debian, for their in-house linux base needs. that'd be enough to convince me :) /halfa-joke |
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| 07:26.23 | annadane | debian is the "universal" operating system, it has software for all different kinds of tasks |
| 07:26.40 | annadane | and supports what, something like 10 architectures or so |
| 07:26.48 | c010r | "universal" meaning what exactly? |
| 07:27.06 | ratrace | it's maleable for (m)any a use case |
| 07:27.07 | annadane | meaning it can be used for a lot of different purposes, it's possible to mix and match the system to your needs |
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| 07:27.30 | c010r | ratrace and annadane: you have peaked my interest |
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| 07:28.06 | c010r | annadane: when you say it supports 10 architectures, what exactly do you mean? |
| 07:28.06 | annadane | i just like the defaults, find that it doesn't require much attention (because updates are infrequent) etc |
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| 07:28.34 | annadane | well, computer processors are broken into different kinds of architectures like amd64, i386, arm and so on |
| 07:28.37 | ratrace | c010r: tell you what I like about debian instead of using a derivative. I like the fact that I can start with a very minimal base OS and build upon with software I want (and is available). I don't like highly-opinionated derivatives that one has to strip down, if at all possible, to achieve what they want. |
| 07:28.58 | c010r | ratrace: BINGO! |
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| 07:29.01 | c010r | i like that |
| 07:29.14 | c010r | thats compelling |
| 07:29.32 | annadane | one doesn't have to use "stable", either, they can use testing or unstable, though that obviously isn't as stable in the not-breaking sense... but people have run those for some time with nothing getting broken |
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| 07:30.15 | annadane | downsides to debian: it's free software by default so if your hardware requies a wifi driver in order to install debian you'll probably need the non-free image |
| 07:30.27 | annadane | debian stable has "old" software as well |
| 07:30.32 | annadane | which is fine for some, not for others |
| 07:30.51 | c010r | so... i'm assuming (i know what happens when u assume) debian does NOT come with any Adobe Flash or Java or MP3 codecs or AVI/MP4 codecs, or ALSA audio drivers, correct? |
| 07:31.02 | annadane | though there's ways of getting new stuff either via running another linux in a virtual machine, or compiling it yourself, or using flatpaks/appimages/snaps |
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| 07:31.23 | annadane | in the base install... it may come with ALSA |
| 07:31.35 | annadane | but for the most part no, no proprietary stuff... i know mint does do a bit of that |
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| 07:31.55 | ratrace | eh, you're talking about the ISO. stuff is available from the non-free repo |
| 07:32.11 | c010r | no proprietary stuf... but does it come with (or can a user easily download) open-source ALTERNATIVES that will be compatible? |
| 07:32.16 | ratrace | the close-sourced nvidia driver, non-free firmware, mp3/mp4 codecs are all available |
| 07:32.22 | annadane | there *is* non free software in debian, you just need to enable the non free repotisory |
| 07:32.26 | annadane | repository* |
| 07:32.30 | oiaohm | anyone else running debian testing had gdm screw it self up and no longer display login. I have two machine that have done that and have switched to sddm for now. |
| 07:32.42 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 07:32.42 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 07:32.45 | annadane | oiaohm, ^ |
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| 07:33.38 | oiaohm | Great got to join another IRC server group. |
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| 07:34.04 | annadane | you might try checking bugs.debian.org |
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| 07:35.15 | c010r | okay so in theory, would it be possible for a semi-noob to be able to do the following things withi a few days of installing DEbian?...: watch FLash videos, watch youtube videos, watch downloaded .mp4, .mpeg, and.avi videos, listen to .mp3s, .oggs, .wavs, .mids, play 3d PC games that require graphics card, etc.??? |
| 07:35.28 | annadane | yep |
| 07:35.41 | c010r | SERIOUSLY? |
| 07:35.49 | annadane | that being said does *anyone* still bother with flash? |
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| 07:36.07 | c010r | if you have dl-ed flash vids |
| 07:36.12 | c010r | u might |
| 07:36.30 | c010r | or if you like to animate using it |
| 07:36.38 | bensons | pretty old pr0n collection i would assume |
| 07:36.49 | c010r | well thats part of it |
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| 07:36.59 | c010r | i like vector animation |
| 07:37.59 | c010r | so annadanne seriouslt its possible for a noob to do all that multimedia stuf with debian |
| 07:38.06 | ratrace | c010r: debian's libre policy is just about defaults and base installation. all the stuff you listed is available through regular (via libre altrenatives) or non-free repos |
| 07:38.13 | annadane | anyway, yes, debian does support most stuff. you just have to watch out for the caveats i listed, that debian stable can fall behind sometimes in terms of freshness of software (but if you don't mind this it's fine) and also that because there's nothing non free if you're installing via wifi or something you might need to use the non-free image |
| 07:38.26 | annadane | c010r, yes, i already answered you |
| 07:38.27 | ratrace | !sns |
| 07:38.27 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 07:38.49 | c010r | okokok |
| 07:38.52 | c010r | thx annadanne |
| 07:39.01 | annadane | nonfree can be enabled later, but to get it up and running you *may* need the nonfree image |
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| 07:39.19 | c010r | what is the "non-free" image? |
| 07:39.24 | ratrace | yeah if you're using the netinstall iso and your network adapters need non-free firmware |
| 07:39.29 | annadane | on a desktop you probably don't, if you're installing over ethernet |
| 07:39.38 | annadane | non-free contains various proprietary firmware |
| 07:39.44 | annadane | free as in freedom, not cost |
| 07:39.49 | annadane | debian "costs" nothing |
| 07:39.54 | c010r | non-free as in non-free beer |
| 07:40.02 | ratrace | I like the term "libre" to differentiate beer from speech :) |
| 07:40.04 | annadane | no, free as in speech |
| 07:40.09 | c010r | or non-free as in "closed-source war"? |
| 07:40.13 | c010r | "ware"? |
| 07:40.21 | annadane | right |
| 07:40.27 | ratrace | c010r: it could be open source but licensed in a non-libre way |
| 07:40.34 | annadane | !dfsg |
| 07:40.34 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 07:40.52 | c010r | roger that... thx annadane, ratrace , and dpkg |
| 07:40.58 | ratrace | !botsnack |
| 07:40.58 | dpkg | ratrace: aw, gee |
| 07:41.27 | annadane | i like debian because i don't have to update it except occasional bug fixes and security updates, stays out of my way, i know the updates are vetted, it's a huge project |
| 07:41.52 | c010r | one more ques, and it relates to what you just said... |
| 07:41.55 | annadane | new software is great but it might come with new bugs, so user beware |
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| 07:42.35 | c010r | annadane: WHY is it that you "dont need to update" very often when using debian, in comparison to other linuxes (is that a word)? |
| 07:43.45 | ratrace | c010r: that's for debian Stable (becuse testing/unstable update very often) -- and that's due to the Stable policy of only allowing security and serious bug fixes. |
| 07:43.47 | frikinz | using stable. synonym of tested. the whole OS with all apps. Doesn't occur often. Between each stable release, only major bugfix or security fixes |
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| 07:44.35 | frikinz | tested by the team. windows being also tested by .. the users :) |
| 07:44.37 | annadane | software also doesn't get outdated as you might think, i think 95% of people can do whatever they want to with debian stable |
| 07:44.47 | ratrace | c010r: in comparison, I see eg. on Ubuntu stuff updates for a variety of reasons, even in the LTS branch, they tend to do radical changes |
| 07:45.35 | annadane | there is *some* new software in stable, i think when vlc gets a new version so does debian, and firefox is about to reach end of life in october and it'll be replaced with a new firefox |
| 07:45.47 | annadane | there's also "backports", for users who need it |
| 07:45.47 | ratrace | and chromium |
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| 07:46.15 | frikinz | is there a reason nowadays to run chromium? |
| 07:46.18 | annadane | i want to use my computer predictably, rather than have things change from underneath me |
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| 07:47.27 | annadane | but if i needed debian unstable i could for instance run it in a virtual machine |
| 07:47.30 | ratrace | frikinz: if you're a web dev, yes, you'd want to test your stuff in the most used browser on the planet :) |
| 07:47.34 | pj_ | Hey there. Ihave a USB key formated as an UDF filesystem. I'm unable to mount it writable. Any idea what's goin on and if there's something I can do about it? |
| 07:47.39 | annadane | you rarely need the latest version of everything, maybe only one or two applications you care about |
| 07:47.47 | annadane | and if so, you can work around that and get those speciifc newer versions |
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| 07:48.51 | ratrace | and snaps and flatpaks are available as well |
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| 07:49.19 | c010r | ok... so what exactly is the difference between lets say DEbian and a "distro based upon DEbian" is it just the Apps that ship with it? the DEsktop Environment? |
| 07:49.35 | frikinz | ratrace: that's recursive :) but yeah understood |
| 07:49.44 | c010r | *erroneous capitalizations (im sleepy) |
| 07:49.45 | annadane | a lot of this stuff has also been around for 30+ years (things like emacs) and even if it hasn't it's been developed by a community of programmers, they've thought about a *lot* of stuff in advance |
| 07:51.27 | annadane | (so how "old" software is, isn't a super big deal) |
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| 07:52.04 | frikinz | c010r: a lot of things will be different cause the devil is in the detail. that's why people stopped giving support to other distro in #debian. complex things like the kernel integration is mostly handled by debian |
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| 07:52.35 | frikinz | you'd have distro-specific utilities and once you move from one to another, you're lost |
| 07:53.06 | ratrace | distro specific utilities, packaging decisions, default DEs, ... |
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| 07:54.49 | frikinz | debian priority is the server environement. for the desktop, you'll have to do a few things manually because there's no general consensus on these things |
| 07:55.04 | ratrace | I haven't used Mint so I can't speak bout Mint. But Ubuntu, in comparison, people say it's "based on Debian". It may have been in the past but today it's a completely different distro that *only* sources .debs from Debian Unstable every few months, and then changes them, sometimes significantly. |
| 07:55.09 | annadane | to answer pj's question or attempt to, is it possible to just mount a udf filesystem with the writable flag? |
| 07:55.14 | annadane | not sure about udf |
| 07:55.20 | ratrace | frikinz: well, debian doesn't have the server priority, it's really trying to be universal. |
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| 07:55.40 | ratrace | infact, the installer will ask you which DE you want and will then install it fully. |
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| 07:56.03 | frikinz | ratrace: it's doing both but THE (there can only be one) priority is not on the desktop integration. Clearly.. |
| 07:56.31 | ratrace | maybe you mistake the "which DE you wan't" freedom of choice, with "HERE HAVE GNOME WE MODIFIED SO HARD IT TOTALLY BROKE BUT HEY!" pre-installed derivatives :) |
| 07:56.40 | frikinz | at least that's how I see it otherwise my laptop would.. just boot the installer :) I guess it would boot on ubuntu |
| 07:56.40 | ratrace | %s/wan't/want/ |
| 07:57.00 | annadane | it annoys me gnome is debian's default but oh well |
| 07:57.06 | annadane | xfce would be better... |
| 07:57.23 | ratrace | frikinz: i'm not sure what you mean by that. GNOME on Debian is fully functional GNOME installation. |
| 07:57.45 | ratrace | KDE probably is too, I just haven't tried it in long time, in order to judge. |
| 07:58.07 | annadane | KDE in buster at 5.14 is at least better than the 5.8 in stretch |
| 07:58.12 | frikinz | ratrace: not even talking about DE, just some funky ACPI and graphic card integration |
| 07:58.17 | annadane | but it's a fast moving target so maybe not great for debian stable |
| 07:58.26 | ratrace | frikinz: but you said your BIOS was buggy |
| 07:58.44 | frikinz | yeah so ubuntu patches that from what I've read. |
| 07:59.02 | c010r | how much EXPERIENCE should i get using LinuxMInt and/or Linux in general, before taking the plunge into full-blown "vanilla Debian"? (ive only been using Linux for 15 days now) |
| 07:59.04 | frikinz | so the wireless just works |
| 07:59.34 | frikinz | took me two days to get the correct kernel boot command line |
| 07:59.37 | frikinz | anyway |
| 07:59.56 | ratrace | frikinz: well, there's prioritizing Desktop, and there's prioritizing NOTHING which Debian does really. Because, for example, there's no mongodb and there is mongodb in Ubuntu. Does that make Ubuntu prioritizing server? ;) |
| 07:59.58 | Aebian | can someone explain to me why I still can access a port even though I have denied access to it? I must admit that the application runs in a docker container but listens on port 8443. I have blocked access to that port but still I can connect to it |
| 08:00.02 | frikinz | c010r: depends what you want to do with your machine |
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| 08:00.37 | ratrace | Aebian: blocked how. docker also manipulates iptables iirc, so it's probably just a question of where in the chain is the specific rule |
| 08:00.58 | annadane | c010r, you don't need to know a lot. maybe just read the install guide (though it's sort of largely not necessary, IMO), and then stick to the basics (read wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian, don't use the root account when it's not necessary etc) and then over time you can get more comfortable with the system at your own pace, especially if you read the documentation |
| 08:01.37 | c010r | frikinz: i want to use my machine in the exact same as a typical person would use their Windows-OS: play videos, play computer games, play music, chat online, surf web, compose music, design computer games, etc. |
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| 08:02.48 | annadane | c010r, also do what any newbie does (or should do) and ask when you have questions, don't just assume knowledge |
| 08:02.50 | annadane | also, |
| 08:02.51 | annadane | !newcomer |
| 08:02.52 | dpkg | Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: https://debian-handbook.info/ Reference manual: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ FAQ: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ - reading https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian is also a very good idea. |
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| 08:03.01 | c010r | im not sequencing genomes or making self-healing server or running a server farm, or running bare-metal virtualization, or running a mainframe, or anything crazy |
| 08:03.46 | ratrace | which you could all do with Debian :) |
| 08:04.01 | annadane | although if you did want to start sequencing genomes... |
| 08:04.03 | annadane | !blends |
| 08:04.03 | dpkg | A Debian Pure Blend (formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends http://blends.debian.org/ #debian-blends on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 08:04.50 | annadane | https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 08:04.59 | c010r | okay... this sounds cool. imma give debian a fair chance... i hope it can live alongside my existing installs |
| 08:05.00 | pj_ | Aebian: when mapping a port to a container in docker you can map it to 127.0.0.1:8443 or localhost:8443 so it only 'listens' on the local interface |
| 08:05.20 | frikinz | !judd bug 916107 |
| 08:05.20 | dpkg | frikinz, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's) |
| 08:05.28 | frikinz | judd bug 916107 |
| 08:05.30 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/916107 in src:mongodb (open): «mongodb: MongoDB should not be part of a stable release»; severity: serious; opened: 2018-12-10; last modified: 2019-01-12. |
| 08:07.30 | frikinz | good thing that mongodb is not anymore in serious distro in my opinion |
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| 08:08.43 | frikinz | c010r: you can probably do most of that stuffs unless you want to play windows-only games.. |
| 08:09.15 | ratrace | frikinz: but I used it as an example to prove a point that not having patches for buggy ACPI doesn't make debian "prioritizing server". because ubuntu, that DOES prioritize desktop, does have mongodb server, and debian (which isn't prioritizing server) doesn't :) |
| 08:10.13 | frikinz | ratrace: it was pulled because of license problem so bad example.. regarding acpi, ubuntu overriding acpi definition is clearly to help broken latop boot |
| 08:10.17 | annadane | and for windows games, there's WINE: winehq.org |
| 08:11.04 | ratrace | frikinz: yes because ubuntu IS prioritizing desktop. debian isn't prioritizing anything. |
| 08:11.21 | annadane | though ubuntu has ubuntu server afaik |
| 08:11.27 | annadane | how good that is i have no idea |
| 08:11.43 | frikinz | ratrace: we'd need to be part of the maintainer team. which I'm not. Could be.. |
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| 08:15.36 | c010r | kay thx everyone! :) |
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| 08:18.09 | ratrace | annadane: they do, and in fact, they've made it clear that in the future they want to support server and cloud more |
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| 08:18.45 | Aebian | pj_ true, docker listens on 0.0.0.0 that seems to be the issue |
| 08:18.52 | Aebian | the container I mean |
| 08:19.07 | annadane | anyway, thank god for debian being a rock, one that doesn't change |
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| 08:27.56 | SwampOgre | Hey there! Got a problem with Linux mouse drivers. They fuck up way too much with my regular mouse-socket mouse. Must be a software fall through. It will move vertically or horizontally out of control and clicking randomly. It will for example open a dozen pages on my browser, or mess with icons and programs at the top of my Mate desktop. Now it's doing crap to my LXDE desktop. I even downloaded the debian mouse driver and insta |
| 08:27.56 | SwampOgre | lled it and the problem persists. I read before I did that that there's another driver commonly used in Linux that replaced the old Linux mouse driver. What ever it is, it's a pile of dog doo. |
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| 08:28.48 | Doo | eh ho |
| 08:28.54 | Doo | calm yo highlights |
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| 08:31.29 | SwampOgre | I had this problem running a Mageia distro, and since it's on debian too, it's got to be some sort of core Linux software that's doing it. Might even be a kernel module |
| 08:31.39 | ratrace | .... or your mouse. |
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| 08:32.23 | RoyK | ratrace++ |
| 08:32.25 | SwampOgre | My mouse works fine. It's doing it on a different pc |
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| 08:34.33 | Haohmaru | ur mouse has cought teh mad cow disease |
| 08:35.13 | bolt | have you tried another mouse? |
| 08:35.38 | ratrace | technically, could be buggy ps/2 implementation. if by "mouse-socket mouse" you mean ps/2 |
| 08:35.49 | Haohmaru | what does "mouse-socket mouse" even mean? |
| 08:35.51 | RoyK | Haohmaru: I beleive it's Rbies |
| 08:35.56 | ratrace | just get a modern usb based rodent and call it a day. |
| 08:35.58 | RoyK | *Rabies* |
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| 08:37.03 | ratrace | chances are it's hardware failure, tho |
| 08:37.11 | Haohmaru | yeah |
| 08:37.18 | annadane | or a demon possessed mouse |
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| 08:37.38 | Haohmaru | playz: teh_x-files_theme.mp3 |
| 08:37.56 | bolt | if it's one of those gamery mice, it might be attempting to send updates too often. i seem to remember some gamer oriented hardware attempting to "overclock" the ps/2 ports just before usb went mainstream. that took a while for games, because MAH HARDWARE INTERRUPTS! |
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| 08:39.03 | Haohmaru | we got one mouse here that likes to jump to the top-left corner when you least expect it |
| 08:39.12 | Haohmaru | it does it on any PC you attach it |
| 08:39.15 | bolt | stop scaring the poor thing |
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| 08:40.51 | annadane | is there like, a general solution for my hard drive to stop being so noisy other than "get a new hard drive/ssdify your life"? i assume it's when some kind of cron runs... maybe it's just intrinsically that way and there's nothing i can do |
| 08:40.54 | Xalys | Hi. I'm trying to decide on whether I should use LVM or not. My use case is a shared web hosting server that will not make use of multiple disks (it is a VM). I can not see a reason to use LVM for this, but perhaps someone can enlight me? |
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| 08:41.16 | Xalys | I will use two partitions on the same disk though (one for OS, one for mysql/data) |
| 08:41.25 | bolt | annadane: they're called rubber mounts |
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| 08:41.49 | bolt | annadane: there are also some hd silencer boxes that fit in 5.25" bays that further limit the noise |
| 08:42.20 | annadane | this computer is what, 2 years old, but it's also gone through a lot of abuse |
| 08:42.24 | annadane | it may just be my fault |
| 08:42.28 | bolt | annadane: and premium computer cases that focus on silence rather than airflow. don't put your overclocked SLI gaming rig in one of those |
| 08:42.47 | Haohmaru | ah, modern gaming computers.. |
| 08:43.12 | ratrace | Xalys: there's hardly any advantage of LVM inside VM with virtualized storage, other than perhaps allowing different mount points with different mount point options. I wouldn't count "LVM snapshots" under advantages though. |
| 08:43.13 | bolt | annadane: if your harddrive makes more noise than before, it's probably wearing out |
| 08:43.26 | Haohmaru | because the artsy RGB interior lightning and carbon-fib0r textures give you that extra edge over your enemies |
| 08:44.01 | Xalys | ratrace: I will not be using LVM snapshots anyway, I do RBD (ceph) snapshots :) |
| 08:44.02 | Haohmaru | *lighting |
| 08:44.12 | jelly | annadane: some metal platter drives have SMART tunable for acoustics, you might be able to make it more quiet at the expense of performance |
| 08:44.20 | bolt | annadane: you could also have a badly fragmented file system, i guess, so the head is skipping around more than it needs to, but that wouldn't increase the volume, just make more of the same. |
| 08:44.49 | Haohmaru | does ext4 become fragmented?! |
| 08:44.53 | annadane | i should check the times i do have cron stuff running |
| 08:45.29 | Haohmaru | oh, dumb question.. ext4 defragments itself all the time gradually or something, right? |
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| 08:45.35 | ratrace | no |
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| 08:45.59 | jelly | Haohmaru: wrong |
| 08:46.22 | ratrace | Haohmaru: all filesystems fragment, some more some less, under same circumstances. |
| 08:46.24 | jelly | it's just better at fragmenting less, when there's enough slack free space |
| 08:46.49 | Haohmaru | so i need to defragment it from time to time? |
| 08:47.12 | Haohmaru | i know crapdows doesn't do anything so you gotta run defrag yourself |
| 08:47.44 | annadane | it's fine, i just need to get it out of my head "computer making noise = it's under an incredibly strenuous workload" (also because it *has* been, sometimes, yet the computer doesn't make that noise during that time) though i think my computer's a bit slow, xfce takes like 7-10 seconds to start which is too much |
| 08:47.45 | Haohmaru | or maybe it is scheduled but i turn those off |
| 08:48.39 | ratrace | Haohmaru: you probably don't *have* to unless you have frequent write-intensive io from multiple threads, each partially writing to a file per transaction. |
| 08:49.01 | Haohmaru | i don't know about that |
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| 08:49.31 | Haohmaru | i use debian as a general purpose OS.. web browsing, CAD'ing, coding.. etc.. |
| 08:49.51 | annadane | is CADing coding but with more swearing? |
| 08:49.59 | ratrace | eg running multiple VMs will definitely fragment their image files. |
| 08:50.03 | Haohmaru | it's not coding |
| 08:50.04 | annadane | (yes i know what it is, it's a joke, don't tell me) |
| 08:50.24 | Haohmaru | swearing is usually involved in any process that requires specific end results to be achieved |
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| 08:51.04 | annadane | anyway i've checked iotop and AFAICT it's like, writing to logs |
| 08:51.08 | annadane | which makes the noise |
| 08:51.11 | annadane | so probably update stuff |
| 08:51.19 | annadane | s/update/cron |
| 08:51.42 | RoyK | Haohmaru: the best (or only) way to avoid fragmentation of a filesystem, regardless of type (except perhaps FATxx and NTFS, which suck) is to keep the amount of usage < 80% or so. Modern file system allocate data in a fashion not to fragment til filesystem. However, that's impossible if the filesystem's full. |
| 08:52.19 | ratrace | except CoW filesystems, they tend to fragment much more |
| 08:52.20 | Haohmaru | my computer here used to have a PSU that made noise when the CPU "thinks" |
| 08:52.48 | Haohmaru | on another comput0r i could here the interrupts when i move the mouse |
| 08:52.51 | ratrace | ah, coil whine. |
| 08:52.52 | Haohmaru | * hear |
| 08:53.00 | ratrace | my old nvidia used to whine a lot. drove me mad. |
| 08:53.08 | RoyK | Haohmaru: that's just because it speeds up the fans when needed. Laptops do that a lot |
| 08:53.15 | Haohmaru | no |
| 08:53.17 | BCMM | i can hear my graphics card when i scroll in firefox :( |
| 08:53.28 | Haohmaru | it's not a laptop, and the noise wasn't from fans |
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| 08:53.39 | ratrace | "coil whine" look it up, it's a term :) |
| 08:53.56 | Haohmaru | high-freq sizzle that starts and stops togethr with the "cpu usage" |
| 08:54.07 | annadane | memory 1.9G/7.74G, swap 78.5GM/7.94G |
| 08:54.38 | ratrace | 78 giga mega? that's a LOT of swap :) |
| 08:55.02 | annadane | nooo. |
| 08:55.30 | annadane | i just want a totally silent computer but i guess i get an SSD it's not happening |
| 08:55.39 | annadane | but this computer's gone through a lot of abuse, so i mean |
| 08:55.41 | ratrace | annadane: it's crucial to recognize what kind of noise is that. constant noise from spinning platters? occasional flurry of clicks at high io? loud, isolated clicks? those are terribad and indicative of disk going belly up |
| 08:56.00 | annadane | not really any of those |
| 08:56.15 | ratrace | annadane: or if you want HDDs, use 3.5" laptop drives, they tend to be much quieter. |
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| 08:56.25 | annadane | "flurry of clicks" is subjective but it's fairly infrequent |
| 08:56.51 | annadane | but i guess unless i get an SSD* |
| 08:57.10 | ratrace | yeah loud clicks, especially if appearing rhytmically (ie not at random intervals) are a sign to run for the backup hills. |
| 08:57.15 | Haohmaru | get an external HDD and stuff it in a box full of cotton ;P~ |
| 08:57.15 | RoyK | annadane: I use spinning rust for mass storage and SSDs for everything else |
| 08:57.22 | RoyK | ratrace++ |
| 08:57.28 | annadane | it has no pattern afaict, it's just sporadic |
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| 08:57.47 | RoyK | annadane: check it with smartctl -a |
| 08:57.47 | Haohmaru | keep a fire eggstinguisher nearby |
| 08:57.57 | RoyK | annadane: or smartctl short or long |
| 08:58.18 | annadane | yeah i probably should run smartctl |
| 08:58.22 | RoyK | that is, smartctl -t short or smartctl -t long, but start with pastebinning smartctl -a |
| 08:58.24 | annadane | long takes what, 7 hours? |
| 08:58.30 | ratrace | depends on the drive |
| 08:58.39 | RoyK | smartctl -a just queries the drive - takes a second |
| 08:58.49 | RoyK | smartctl -t short takes a few minutes |
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| 08:58.55 | annadane | what package carries smartctl? |
| 08:58.59 | RoyK | smartctl -t long takes hours, depending on size |
| 08:59.02 | RoyK | smartmontools |
| 08:59.09 | ratrace | smartmontools --no-install-recommends unless you want halfa MTA pulled in |
| 08:59.38 | RoyK | IMHO you want that MTA so that smartd can email you if something goes wrong |
| 08:59.56 | ratrace | you don't want an MTA tho, you can have dma |
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| 09:00.34 | RoyK | I can't remember last time I setup a linux system without an MTA - they're useful |
| 09:00.38 | RoyK | usually postfix |
| 09:00.42 | annadane | https://paste.debian.net/1105510/ |
| 09:00.53 | ratrace | unless you want to _receive_ email, you don't want a whole MTA. dma suffices |
| 09:00.55 | ratrace | !info dma |
| 09:01.00 | dpkg | dma: (lightweight mail transport agent), section mail, is optional. Version: 0.12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 51 kB, Installed size: 162 kB |
| 09:01.16 | ratrace | requires an MTA/MSA somewhere, but you can use your gmail for that. |
| 09:01.30 | annadane | 123 minutes... i can run that overnight then |
| 09:01.41 | RoyK | annadane: looks ok - try smartctl -t short first |
| 09:04.28 | annadane | how to check results? |
| 09:05.02 | ratrace | annadane: run with -a again, after it's done, and check the SMART ERror Log section |
| 09:05.12 | ratrace | if there's issues, they might be logged |
| 09:05.15 | RoyK | smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdX |
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| 09:06.04 | annadane | https://paste.debian.net/1105512/ |
| 09:06.13 | ratrace | though personally I wouldn't bother too much with SMART. attributes are the most useful part of it, and it shouldn't be taken for granted. if it shows problems, then there ARE problems. if it dosn't show problems, doesn't mean there AREN'T any. |
| 09:06.28 | RoyK | good - try smartctl -l long |
| 09:06.48 | RoyK | but as ratrace says, SMART data don't always represent the real world |
| 09:06.50 | annadane | well, i'll do that when i go to sleep |
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| 09:07.03 | annadane | unless i can do stuff in the background meanwhile |
| 09:07.05 | RoyK | annadane: it works well while using it |
| 09:07.08 | annadane | okay |
| 09:07.42 | annadane | =======> INVALID ARGUMENT TO -l: long |
| 09:07.52 | RoyK | -t long |
| 09:07.57 | RoyK | sorry |
| 09:08.17 | annadane | 2 hours 3 min |
| 09:08.38 | annadane | i'll probably be asleep before it finishes so i'll ping you tomorrow or just ask #debian in general |
| 09:08.57 | RoyK | good luck :) |
| 09:09.14 | annadane | can i close the console window? |
| 09:09.26 | RoyK | annadane: but keep in mind - better use HDDs for mass storage and SSDs for things like system/swap/etc |
| 09:09.36 | RoyK | annadane: yes - it's the drive itself running this - not linux |
| 09:09.51 | annadane | i feel like an idiot for asking. okay |
| 09:09.59 | gry | thank you RoyK |
| 09:09.59 | RoyK | not a problem |
| 09:10.03 | RoyK | we're all idiots :D |
| 09:10.31 | RoyK | also - better mirror or use RAID for your data *and* use a good backup (or two) |
| 09:10.42 | RoyK | you never know when the shit'll hit the fan |
| 09:10.55 | RoyK | but it tastes worse if you don't have a backup |
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| 09:14.11 | annadane | jbd2 - log file writing stuff - takes up the most in iotop, at like 3%, sporadically |
| 09:14.36 | RoyK | nothing to worry about |
| 09:14.41 | annadane | yeah, i know |
| 09:14.51 | annadane | it's good to know it's that low |
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| 09:16.27 | annadane | subjectively the noises really are only once per few hours |
| 09:16.33 | annadane | or maybe i just haven't noticed |
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| 09:17.29 | RoyK | annadane: and if switching to an SSD for the root etc, you'll notice that things speed up a lot more than a wee bit. Your drive can handle perhaps 120 IOPS (I/O operations per second). A really check SSD can handle 20 000 IOPS |
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| 09:17.50 | RoyK | and that's what slows things down |
| 09:18.04 | annadane | for generic storage is RAID even necessary, and if so what type? |
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| 09:18.28 | annadane | i mean i know it's not "necessary" but like, recommended |
| 09:18.34 | RoyK | annadane: RAID isn't necessary, but it makes things a lot easier when a drive dies - and beleive me - they do :) |
| 09:18.43 | RoyK | just use linux md raid |
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| 09:19.15 | annadane | mdadm? |
| 09:19.17 | RoyK | it's probably the most used raid system on the planet - if you get a general home NAS, probaably 90-95% use mdraid |
| 09:19.21 | RoyK | yes |
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| 09:19.41 | funabashi | If i want to send a command lets say "uptime" to 15 linux machines, whats is a good solution for that ? |
| 09:20.16 | RoyK | annadane: I've written some notes about it here - just a quick list of things to remember https://wiki.malinux.no/index.php/Roy%27s_notes |
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| 09:22.12 | annadane | you're insane |
| 09:22.15 | annadane | in a good way |
| 09:22.19 | RoyK | :) |
| 09:22.55 | RoyK | annadane: I just started taking notes and found a wiki would be a nice place to have them :) |
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| 09:36.44 | jelly | funabashi: depends on how often you do it and how complex the commands are, might be anything from clusterssh or pssh or fabric to ansible |
| 09:37.11 | TomTheDragon | is there any other option for wine on non-x86 besides qemu? in my experience, qemu is horrendously slow. |
| 09:37.12 | jelly | or a for loop in shell |
| 09:37.50 | jelly | TomTheDragon: emulation is usually slow, no escape from that |
| 09:38.18 | TomTheDragon | I can run 3d software rasterized dos games in FreeDOS... but qemu barely handles text mode stuff |
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| 09:40.51 | TomTheDragon | jelly: if only the application, not all the wine and libraries, ran in emulation it'd be way faster |
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| 09:46.42 | oiaohm | TomTheDragon: https://wiki.winehq.org/Emulation qemu is the emulator that has remained alive there is the hangover project that does reduce down how much is in fact being emulated in those cross setups. |
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| 09:48.27 | oiaohm | TomTheDragon: there has been some work to make the tcg part of qemu faster https://wiki.qemu.org/Features/tcg-multithread |
| 09:49.37 | pclover | so minimodem seems broken in Debian 10 |
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| 09:50.33 | annadane | how so, perhaps you can file a bug report |
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| 09:51.09 | pclover | actually nevermind threw me off course seems it can't be run as root otherwise you get a pulse audio error |
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| 10:25.10 | lxdn | hi all, could you please give a hint with 10, as far as I can see, there are no more aliases for iface devided by : , but by . , however I cannot let the packets go via my network interface alias using the same physical NIC, as it was in 9 |
| 10:25.34 | tsujp | Is there a way to observe trim output in realtime? |
| 10:25.44 | tsujp | `trim -v /` will show the output once it's done, but not while it's doing it |
| 10:25.51 | tsujp | I want to see it while it's doing it |
| 10:25.55 | tsujp | `fstrim -v /` excuse me* |
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| 10:26.27 | lxdn | https://i.postimg.cc/x1Yk9NTW/image.png here are the output of ip link and ping commands |
| 10:26.37 | Hannibal_K | hey guys, I am looking for some form of direction as to where to start in understanding how a service like 'dataplicity' works? basically I am trying to remote ssh into a raspberry pi but as I had naively thought in the first place, it is nothing like using a VPS. Any tips would be much appreciated. |
| 10:26.53 | z8z | In the new debian 10 is impossible to add a keyboard layout from the GUI as the list of countried goes outside of the desktop without a scroll. Is that a known bug? |
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| 10:29.24 | ov3rmind | nice morning, guys! |
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| 10:46.04 | gidna_ | why is that I don't have iwlist ? |
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| 10:47.49 | humpled | type whereis iwlist |
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| 10:48.57 | gidna_ | gidna@debian:~/c$ whereis iwlist |
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| 10:49.12 | humpled | okay, apt policy wireless-tools |
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| 10:50.27 | humpled | oh i'm a terrible helper |
| 10:50.51 | braingain | hey who knows how to make an incremental backup of a filesystem? |
| 10:51.04 | annadane | cron job i guess |
| 10:51.18 | annadane | or if you want it to be manual tar or rysnc |
| 10:51.26 | annadane | rsync* |
| 10:51.32 | annadane | or tar/rsync in a cron job :P |
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| 10:51.38 | gidna_ | sorry |
| 10:51.58 | annadane | gidna_, paste.debian.net... though i guess we already got the output |
| 10:52.29 | braingain | tar/rsync dont apply to my needs. I really need to have binary increments whereas tar/rsync do not make increments of single files which have changed |
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| 10:55.11 | annadane | then i would guess cp -i |
| 10:55.30 | annadane | well, to do the entire filesystem at once... i don't know, maybe someone else does |
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| 11:00.40 | braingain | goal is to have incrementals of a mongodb we can deliver over the network. |
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| 11:01.34 | braingain | mongodb built-in functions don't really cut the need so we have to find a way to make increments of several GB big collection.dat files |
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| 11:04.42 | BCMM | braingain: would borg or restic suit your needs? |
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| 11:13.31 | braingain | BCMM: i did not see directly that they support incremental backups of huge files. |
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| 11:14.28 | BCMM | braingain: oh, you want it to store diffs of the actual file, not just avoid storing unchanged files? |
| 11:14.48 | braingain | yes exactly BCMM |
| 11:15.32 | annadane | pardon for not understanding your initial question, i guess "incremental" has a specific meaning |
| 11:16.22 | eblip | hey i have whacked another disk in with my debian build and i cant find osprober in the repo |
| 11:16.29 | eblip | i want to set up dual boot |
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| 11:16.51 | eblip | what do you guys use for finding other os on the same machine |
| 11:17.36 | eblip | ah os-prober-udeb |
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| 11:18.03 | ratrace | braingain: tar can do it iirc |
| 11:18.29 | ratrace | otherwise I'd just use a CoW filesystem, they're designed to do that. |
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| 11:18.53 | ratrace | oh, look, I am :) ZFS. |
| 11:20.34 | braingain | ratrace: tar won't look inside binary files. if a file changes, even with --incremental switch, it gets fully written again. |
| 11:21.04 | ratrace | I see. Then a CoW fs is really the best tool for that job |
| 11:21.22 | braingain | I know that CoW should be designed for this. I tried LVM snapshots and they're soo unhandy. |
| 11:21.57 | ratrace | LVM is not CoW. I was thinking ZFS or btrfs, however, the downside of those is that CoW is a bit less performant for database write patterns |
| 11:21.59 | braingain | ZFS is complex and for btrfs I don't have a solution yet. |
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| 11:22.27 | ratrace | then again I don't know how exactly mongodb works at the storage layer. CoW on CoW is bad (mysql, postgres, ...) |
| 11:22.44 | ratrace | ZFS is not really any more complex than btrfs, in fact in a lot of things it's simpler |
| 11:23.24 | ratrace | braingain: question, do you need to do such transfers on live db files (in use), or inactive files? |
| 11:23.46 | braingain | ratrace: transferring in the night(inactive) is okay. |
| 11:23.56 | ratrace | If latter, you can whip up a delta block-based transport in python in a day, specifically tailored for your needs |
| 11:24.29 | braingain | so how do i chunk binary files incrementally? |
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| 11:25.40 | ratrace | braingain: have a directory per "slot" and for each chunk run a md5 sum from the previous slot |
| 11:26.21 | ratrace | I mean it's a bit offtopic here, that'd be a purely programming problem, but you seem to have a rather specific set of demands there, so perhaps writing a specialized program isn't too much |
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| 11:27.14 | ratrace | braingain: question is, why do you want to store only deltas? that sounds a bit like an XY problem |
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| 11:28.38 | braingain | yeah I know. It's kind of a mess. We have to put all the mongodb data incrementally to laptops and they want to improve sync time by not downloading 40-130GB all the time |
| 11:28.42 | annadane | okay i think my SMART test is done (i lied about going to sleep, god help me), do i -l selftest again or should i first check if it's done and if so how? |
| 11:28.54 | ratrace | braingain: doesn't rsync transfer only delta chunks? |
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| 11:29.41 | annadane | nvm figured it out |
| 11:29.42 | ratrace | annadane: if it's done, you should see a new entry at the top of test log |
| 11:29.59 | ratrace | I also think if it's NOT done that somewhere in smartctl output it says that a test is undergoing |
| 11:30.07 | ratrace | but I'm not 100% sure |
| 11:31.00 | annadane | https://paste.debian.net/1105525/ so okay, all checks out? |
| 11:31.15 | annadane | if anyone from earlier is still here :P |
| 11:31.23 | afidegnum | hello, i m having hard time reinstalling and removing wazuh-manager and ossec-hids-server i tried removing manually ossec-hids-server which resulted in broken packages while reinstalling or removing it ... here is the sample log... https://dpaste.de/O0Ev |
| 11:31.27 | afidegnum | i m using debian 9 |
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| 11:32.08 | annadane | RoyK, https://paste.debian.net/1105525/ |
| 11:32.55 | annadane | i see no "lba of first error" in either my short or long test so i assume i'm fine |
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| 11:34.00 | RoyK | annadane: drive looks fine from SMART's point of view |
| 11:34.40 | annadane | cool. anyway, i'll look to maybe replacing the computer in 3 years or maybe more if it's not having real problems... though the SSD would be nice... |
| 11:35.01 | ratrace | afidegnum: that's from some third party repo? |
| 11:35.18 | afidegnum | i added the repo from ossec and wazu |
| 11:35.24 | afidegnum | wazuh |
| 11:35.43 | ratrace | annadane: well, the important thing about smart is it tends to err on the false negative side |
| 11:36.09 | ratrace | annadane: ie. if it shows a proble, then there IS a problem. if it doesn't show, then that doesn't mean anything, though probably there isn't a problem. |
| 11:36.15 | afidegnum | while removing ossec. i assumed initially the installation was done from source instead of package, hence i removed /var/ossec |
| 11:36.17 | annadane | right, this was addressed earlier |
| 11:36.40 | afidegnum | and few entries in rc0-6/K01ossec |
| 11:36.42 | RoyK | annadane: the laptop I'm using now is a "MacBook Pro (17-inch, Mid 2010)" - it's been given an SSD (several years back) and more memory, but still works well. Bettr try to install an SSD first and check if you're satisfied. You don't necessarily need a new computer |
| 11:36.46 | ratrace | afidegnum: seems like broken debs, you'd have to talk to their developers |
| 11:37.25 | annadane | yeah but then i have to transfer everything to the ssd and lazy is my middle name |
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| 11:38.04 | RoyK | annadane: just do a fresh install on the ssd, move the home dirs etc and keep the old one for archival data |
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| 11:38.20 | afidegnum | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 11:38.21 | ratrace | nooo that's even worse |
| 11:38.21 | afidegnum | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.42 | afidegnum | i can't locate libssl1 |
| 11:38.47 | afidegnum | is it available? |
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| 11:39.02 | ratrace | ,v libssl |
| 11:39.03 | judd | No package named 'libssl' was found in amd64. |
| 11:39.13 | RoyK | ,v ssl-dev |
| 11:39.14 | judd | No package named 'ssl-dev' was found in amd64. |
| 11:39.21 | RoyK | ,openssl-dev |
| 11:39.30 | ratrace | ah it's name-versioned |
| 11:39.37 | afidegnum | ,ssl* |
| 11:39.42 | ratrace | libssl1.0.0 is in jessie |
| 11:39.48 | ratrace | v, libssl1.0.0 |
| 11:39.53 | ratrace | ,v libssl1.0.0 |
| 11:39.54 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.0 on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u8; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u12 |
| 11:40.01 | annadane | oh so that's what "name versions" are, TIL |
| 11:40.18 | afidegnum | how do i completely purge ossec-hids? |
| 11:40.21 | ratrace | ya so multiple libs can coexist |
| 11:40.21 | afidegnum | .5 |
| 11:41.28 | ratrace | afidegnum: apt remove --purge ossec-hids ? |
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| 11:43.27 | afidegnum | ratrace: no luck https://dpaste.de/D0Md |
| 11:43.46 | ratrace | afidegnum: "Package 'ossec-hids' is not installed, so not removed" |
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| 11:44.36 | ratrace | afidegnum: the rest lists a conflict between ossec-hids-server and wazuh-manager. so perhaps you wanted to remove oss-hids-server? |
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| 11:45.42 | afidegnum | the same happens while trying to remove ossec-hids-server |
| 11:45.44 | afidegnum | , which is also in package ossec-hids-server 2.9.3.4466stretch |
| 11:45.52 | afidegnum | where is that package located ? |
| 11:46.22 | ratrace | afidegnum: remove wazuh-manager too, there's some conflict there, so both must go, then only install ONE of them |
| 11:46.35 | afidegnum | but are having the same issue |
| 11:46.41 | afidegnum | hard to remove |
| 11:46.57 | ratrace | afidegnum: both? |
| 11:47.02 | afidegnum | yes |
| 11:47.07 | ratrace | at the same time.... apt remove --purge wazuh-manager oss-hids-server |
| 11:48.04 | afidegnum | should i chain or add && ? |
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| 11:48.36 | gnumdk | Hello, sfdisk has been removed from Debian 10 install ? |
| 11:48.45 | ratrace | afidegnum: no. `apt remove --purge wazuh-manager oss-hids-server` |
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| 11:49.55 | afidegnum | https://dpaste.de/ABQ0 |
| 11:50.40 | ratrace | gnumdk: install fdisk |
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| 11:51.42 | gnumdk | I use partman to configure one disk and then dump configuration with sfdisk and put it with fdisk on all others 8 disks... |
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| 11:52.13 | ratrace | afidegnum: please pastebin dpkg -l | grep wazuh-manager |
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| 11:52.42 | ratrace | gnumdk: cool. but if you want sfdisk, it's in the "fdisk" package |
| 11:52.58 | gnumdk | but I can install a package on the live installer? |
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| 11:53.03 | gnumdk | s/live// |
| 11:53.22 | ratrace | oh, I don't know. TIAS |
| 11:53.59 | afidegnum | ratrace: https://dpaste.de/B4rM |
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| 11:54.21 | ratrace | gnumdk: see if sgdisk is available, you can copy GPT layout with it too |
| 11:54.46 | gnumdk | no :-/ |
| 11:55.14 | ratrace | afidegnum: dpk --remove --force-remove-reinstreq wazuh-manager |
| 11:55.17 | ratrace | afidegnum: dpkg* |
| 11:56.50 | afidegnum | ratrace: done |
| 11:57.19 | afidegnum | i should do the same for ossec-hids-server, right |
| 11:57.20 | afidegnum | ? |
| 11:57.40 | ratrace | afidegnum: now chances are oss-hids-server is broken as it shared a file with wazuh, so if you wanna keep it, reinstall it, but avoid having both on the system |
| 11:57.59 | ratrace | afidegnum: no, you should be able to regularly apt remove oss... |
| 11:58.06 | afidegnum | i want to clear everything and do a fresh reinstall |
| 11:58.16 | afidegnum | ok, let me apt-remove oss again and see |
| 11:58.37 | ratrace | gnumdk: is any partitioning tool available? |
| 11:58.53 | afidegnum | ratrace: ossec-hids-server : Depends: libssl1.0.0 but it is not installable |
| 11:59.25 | ratrace | afidegnum: pastebin the full command and output please |
| 12:01.14 | jelly | I've never in my life had to use --force-remove-reinstreq |
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| 12:01.42 | afidegnum | ratrace: i think it's clear except /var/ossec directory still exists |
| 12:01.42 | ratrace | yeah that's a boom headshot move. |
| 12:01.43 | afidegnum | https://dpaste.de/cpDs |
| 12:02.04 | jelly | ,v ossec-hids-server |
| 12:02.05 | judd | No package named 'ossec-hids-server' was found in amd64. |
| 12:02.16 | jelly | ,v wazuh-manager |
| 12:02.17 | judd | No package named 'wazuh-manager' was found in amd64. |
| 12:02.29 | ratrace | afidegnum: yeah, sometimes dirs remain even after purge, if there's contents the package manager doesn't know about |
| 12:02.31 | jelly | afidegnum: where do these packages come from? |
| 12:02.42 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 12:02.42 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 12:05.31 | afidegnum | jelly: i think they are custom packages semi opensource/commercial |
| 12:06.01 | afidegnum | do we still use apt-cache search ? |
| 12:06.24 | afidegnum | yes, |
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| 12:14.36 | yogg | Hi |
| 12:14.51 | Strum | hi |
| 12:15.38 | yogg | Is there an easy way on debian 10 to start an script on every start? rc.local is gone (i can create an replacement with systemd) and @reboot has its drawbacks (runs only on full minutes) |
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| 12:18.00 | section1 | user @reboot in cron |
| 12:18.09 | section1 | i use rc.local but i use sysv |
| 12:18.21 | section1 | user = use |
| 12:18.47 | ihristov | @yogg The systemd approach is worth it because you can control exact the start time |
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| 12:19.38 | yogg | I know but its a "lot" of files for only a three liner to start ^^ |
| 12:20.36 | yogg | and the cron @reboots never starts if the system goes up at "14:20:13" and down at "14:20:35" |
| 12:20.54 | ihristov | If you want, you can bring back the rc.local |
| 12:21.09 | ihristov | It's gone from deb 9 if I'm not mistaken |
| 12:21.14 | yogg | So the systemd way. https://www.troublenow.org/752/debian-10-add-rc-local/ |
| 12:21.34 | ihristov | (y) |
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| 12:26.56 | Henry151 | hi folks, I want to run virtualbox or something similar and i don't see it on my debian 10 system, advice on installing it from unstable or otherwise using some other software for similar? |
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| 12:29.23 | dashs | Have nfsd server on wheezy system servicing Debian 10 machines. At workstation startup, 4 or more nfsd pids are status 'D' in top for extneded period (15 to 30 mins) |
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| 12:30.34 | n_1-c_k | Henry151, look at virt-manager. |
| 12:30.43 | inari | I have an encrypted swap partition. Where am i supposed to mount it? |
| 12:30.45 | Henry151 | n_1-c_k: thanks! |
| 12:30.53 | inari | ;) |
| 12:31.19 | inari | Forget the encrypted part. Where does swap go? |
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| 12:33.20 | inari_ | "/swp"? |
| 12:33.36 | ov3rmind | Hello great guys, anyone wan't join with me in 4 free software projects, all of them are running fine! |
| 12:33.39 | ov3rmind | ???? |
| 12:34.01 | qman__ | inari_: it doesn't, you just swapon |
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| 12:34.37 | inari_ | swapon? |
| 12:35.06 | qman__ | swapon /dev/sdXY, or in the first case you proposed, swapon /dev/mapper/myswap |
| 12:35.22 | inari_ | Oh, btw, I'm in recovery mode trying to stich together my system |
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| 12:36.27 | inari_ | Oki thanks |
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| 12:38.55 | inari_ | qman__: that's weird, doesn't it have a house to live in? :) |
| 12:39.25 | qman__ | swap itself is a raw memory map as far as the kernel is concerned, it's not a filesystem |
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| 12:39.37 | qman__ | so you only have the raw device as a file |
| 12:40.21 | inari_ | I'll think about what that means |
| 12:40.27 | inari_ | Ty |
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| 12:41.32 | inari_ | eeeh, does it matter if i swapon before or after chroot? |
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| 12:42.33 | wondiws | when I do "g++ -m32 -o hello hello.cpp" I get "bits/c++config.h no such file or directory" |
| 12:42.41 | wondiws | is my toolchain configured incorrectly? |
| 12:42.46 | wondiws | how do I set this up? |
| 12:43.03 | wondiws | I'm targeting 32bits in this case |
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| 12:47.10 | inari_ | I mean, i really shouldn't matter with swap anyway for what I'm doing. |
| 12:49.07 | ov3rmind | any school teacher here(excuse for offtopic)? |
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| 12:52.35 | ratrace | ov3rmind: #debian-offtopic |
| 12:53.22 | ratrace | yogg: you just need one systemd unit file, don't even need a separate script if you don't need shell syntaxt in ExecStart |
| 12:53.34 | ratrace | *syntax |
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| 12:54.26 | afidegnum | anyone successfully installed nodejs ? |
| 12:54.41 | afidegnum | i can't run node |
| 12:55.01 | apathor | afidegnum: https://github.com/nodenv/nodenv <- try this |
| 12:57.14 | afidegnum | nodenv won't be recognized by the program i m trying to install |
| 13:00.48 | yogg | ratrace my script does a mount, chroot, execute something, exit, umount to much for a one liner ^^ |
| 13:01.30 | ratrace | yogg: so it's two files then, that script + service unit :) |
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| 13:02.08 | yogg | I know not much, but more than in older debian versions so I asked :) |
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| 13:02.32 | afidegnum | apathor: /7 |
| 13:02.40 | afidegnum | i have been suggested this https://github.com/nodenv/nodenv |
| 13:02.47 | afidegnum | are you familiar with it ? |
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| 13:03.45 | aurelien | Hello #debian ... How can I log I/O? |
| 13:04.15 | BCMM | aurelien: that could mean a lot of different things... |
| 13:04.25 | Haohmaru | record it with Audacity |
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| 13:05.15 | abrotman | network, disk, kb/mouse, explain ... |
| 13:05.17 | BCMM | aurelien: but if you want to get a message every time something uses the disk, you can do `echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump` |
| 13:05.37 | aurelien | BCMM: I would like to log all I/O on a system like iotop but not monitoring ... log |
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| 13:05.52 | BCMM | aurelien: what information do you want to log? |
| 13:06.02 | aurelien | all I/O |
| 13:06.07 | abrotman | so use iotop ? |
| 13:06.19 | aurelien | but iotop does not log ... it monitor |
| 13:06.27 | BCMM | aurelien: right, but what information about IO? do you mean the actual contents of the io? |
| 13:06.32 | abrotman | read the man page for iotop |
| 13:06.37 | ratrace | BCMM: thanks for reminding me, I was just trying to remember doing that in the past |
| 13:06.39 | abrotman | it tells you how to do it |
| 13:06.43 | aurelien | the level consumption of I/O |
| 13:07.04 | BCMM | aurelien: ah, you want to log i/o usage over time? |
| 13:07.12 | BCMM | ratrace: don't forget to turn off anything that logs dmesg to a file, or you'll get a feedback loop |
| 13:07.16 | annadane | iotop --batch |
| 13:07.24 | annadane | just search for 'log' in man iotop |
| 13:07.27 | abrotman | annadane: let them read .. don't feed everyone |
| 13:07.30 | ratrace | BCMM: good tip thanks |
| 13:07.36 | abrotman | they were already pointed at the man page ... |
| 13:07.40 | aurelien | oh ... ok |
| 13:07.42 | aurelien | thanks |
| 13:07.48 | abrotman | !fish |
| 13:07.49 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which documentation to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
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| 13:11.13 | Haohmaru | i don't like fish much |
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| 13:11.55 | different | Hi users |
| 13:12.37 | inari_ | Is that us? |
| 13:12.38 | ratrace | only sysadmins here, sorry. |
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| 13:14.59 | different | They have just published a desktop application for Gnu / Linux intended as a platform for users and junior programmers. Maybe someone is interested in trying and contributing. It is published by the OffShell System community. I have tried it and I liked the idea. Greetings users |
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| 13:16.12 | ratrace | oh a spamslave |
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| 13:17.30 | different | Is it software to help free system users and programmers, why is it spam? |
| 13:18.04 | annadane | M-x emacs-doctor |
| 13:18.10 | different | I respect you as a user, I do not think it is too much to share this type of software and programs, right? |
| 13:18.24 | annadane | different, which desktop application? |
| 13:18.39 | Haohmaru | but you don't respect him as a human, or a person |
| 13:18.42 | Haohmaru | only as a user |
| 13:18.45 | Ede|Popede | you literally gave no information besides a name, this was marketing b... ya know what, at its best |
| 13:18.49 | BCMM | different: ... because you're telling a bunch of people about it, most of whom aren't interested, in a venue that's not really intended for that. how do you define spam? |
| 13:18.53 | inari_ | Give him a turing test |
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| 13:19.23 | annadane | https://www.xkcd.com/233/ |
| 13:19.35 | ratrace | spamslaves, when humans stoop so low they actually replace bots! |
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| 13:19.51 | different | ok |
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| 13:19.54 | Ede|Popede | software magazines, related blogs. that would be the place to spread such things |
| 13:20.23 | BCMM | different: i'm interested, though, because i'm curious about something: what does this application actually *do*? |
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| 13:20.26 | Ede|Popede | whoever is interested in doing such things may already read them |
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| 13:20.44 | different | 156/5000 |
| 13:20.44 | different | I thought that the community was more open to sharing respectful software, but I will not go to these forums anymore, it doesn't matter what I see, thanks also |
| 13:20.46 | inari_ | Uuuum, why did i just now have to exit three times to get out of chroot jail? |
| 13:21.03 | inari_ | Shouldn't once be enough? |
| 13:21.09 | greycat | because you were multiple shell processes deep in your process stack? |
| 13:21.20 | Haohmaru | chrootception |
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| 13:21.52 | inari_ | In recovery. I'm thinking more than I'm moving.. |
| 13:22.47 | BCMM | ok i'm starting to think this is some sort of joke... the github page has (in spanish) install instructions, the information that this is a desktop application, the name of the application, and a link to a youtube video |
| 13:22.53 | BCMM | the youtube video is private |
| 13:23.40 | BCMM | it feels like the developer doesn't *want* people to know what the application is for. is it just a hello world? |
| 13:23.44 | inari_ | Hahahah, all that for a non watchable video? |
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| 13:26.39 | Ede|Popede | reminds me on how they started with blockchains in government here. "we'll build the future, we will implement blockchain. we only still have to find out what we could use it for." |
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| 13:27.16 | Ede|Popede | "there's a nice FOSS desktop tool for users and junior devs, look at it, maybe you have an idea what it could be used for." |
| 13:27.49 | ratrace | Ede|Popede: for iced tea production, what else. |
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| 13:28.15 | ratrace | (ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Blockchain_Corp. ) |
| 13:28.19 | Ede|Popede | few month too late, started getting cold already :) |
| 13:29.25 | BCMM | that wikipedia page is even more confusing than the github page i was just on |
| 13:30.26 | ratrace | BCMM: welcome to the world of commercial blockchain! |
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| 13:30.52 | Ede|Popede | is it possible to watch a specific program and its swap behaviour? i have the impression firefox is rather diligent in that regard. i'm always asking myself wth it does all the time when i have to wait to it to finally react after i return to it :/ |
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| 13:31.11 | BCMM | i guess i just find it really difficult to believe that yes, people are just *doing things* without really thinking about what they're doing or why |
| 13:31.16 | BCMM | on a large scale, as a business model |
| 13:32.08 | greycat | 1) dress fancy, 2) learn a lot of buzzwords, 3) repeat buzzwords often, 4) get angel investor's money, 5) spend angel investor's money, 6) go to 1 |
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| 13:37.23 | Ede|Popede | 7) sell your product, whatever it may be, to some of the top 50 Incs. for a completely ridiculous sum. |
| 13:38.43 | BCMM | ok fair enough, that does make sense. now i just need somebody who can read more spanish and/or python than me to explain what different's endgame is. |
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| 13:42.37 | Ede|Popede | maybe #python-es |
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| 13:57.01 | han-solo | colo-work: cat $HOME/.locale # *shrugs* |
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| 13:57.40 | colo-work | han-solo, nope, nothing there |
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| 13:58.05 | karlpinc | colo-work: How did you become root? |
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| 13:58.26 | colo-work | karlpinc, genuine ssh pubkey login as root; client's locale is C.UTF-8 |
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| 13:59.50 | karlpinc | colo-work: Anything relevant in root's ~/.bashrc etc.? |
| 13:59.56 | greycat | colo-work: with an ssh login, first it transfers the client's LANG and LC_* variables, if ssh/sshd are configged to allow it. Then PAM inflicts its settings on you. Then your login shell reads files that inflict their own settings. |
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| 14:00.27 | colo-work | greycat, I'm aware, but afaict, nothing tells myremote Debian system to set my session/shell's locale to just "C" :( |
| 14:00.31 | colo-work | karlpinc, nope |
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| 14:02.02 | greycat | colo-work: PS4='+($?) $BASH_SOURCE:$FUNCNAME:$LINENO:' bash --login -xc : 2>&1 | grep LANG |
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| 14:02.10 | colo-work | hrm... now that is weird: |
| 14:02.11 | colo-work | ssh ixbackup-01.ix locale |
| 14:02.11 | colo-work | LANG=C.UTF-8 |
| 14:02.28 | greycat | NON-login shells go through different gyrations. |
| 14:02.29 | colo-work | so it must be some shell initialization shenanigans I'm not aware of, right? |
| 14:02.45 | karlpinc | colo-work: Or pam. |
| 14:02.45 | greycat | Login shells read /etc/profile and ~/.profile (or equivalent). |
| 14:03.29 | colo-work | aw man... I found it :/ |
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| 14:03.42 | greycat | Non-login interactive shells read ~/.bashrc, but an ssh session with a command doesn't start an interactive shell, **BUT** (!!) bash is often compiled with a special hack that makes it read ~/.bashrc when starting an ssh session with a non-interactive, non-login shell. |
| 14:03.51 | colo-work | https://paste.debian.net/plain/1105546 |
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| 14:04.01 | greycat | Because Linux users are stupid and expect such things to happen. |
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| 14:23.53 | thctlo | hi, someone around to help me debugging why my LD_LIBRARY_PATH isnt detected wil running pdebuild? |
| 14:24.53 | greycat | If there's a setuid program anywhere in the toolchain, or if sudo is involved anywhere, those would strip it out. I don't know how fakeroot works. |
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| 14:26.42 | thctlo | hm, yes, fakeroot and sudo is involved. |
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| 14:28.43 | thctlo | everything i seen on the internet i've tried, 0 works... so my last attempt. I've logged in my pbuilder env. set manualy LD_LIBRARY_PATH and run a simple, apt-get build-dep samba && apt-get source samba -b .. still no go.. im missing something but i can find it. |
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| 14:30.11 | thctlo | but a strange thing here is... i've installed a clean new debian buster server. added the unstable sources, pulled in samba, pulled in build deps, and it builded. so i've setup a new build server, done the same thing, and no ld_library_path.. :-/ im so lost.. |
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| 14:32.31 | jelly | thctlo: what is your actual goal there? |
| 14:32.49 | thctlo | get samba builded. |
| 14:33.01 | jelly | and you need LD_LIBRARY_PATH set why? |
| 14:33.35 | thctlo | no, i get the following. make[1]: *** [debian/rules:270: override_dh_shlibdeps] Error 25 |
| 14:33.36 | thctlo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:34.15 | thctlo | unable to fine a ceph library, but it is available on the system (within the pbuilder env) |
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| 14:35.34 | greycat | "I did apt-get source samba, and sudo apt-get build-dep samba, but then when I type ____ I get the error ____" |
| 14:35.44 | greycat | No? No, of course not. That would be too easy. |
| 14:38.08 | jelly | thctlo: LD_LIBRARY_PATH is typically used to override or find runtime dynamic libraries, not build time libraries |
| 14:38.58 | thctlo | yes, that i know, its just not passed from the system to the builder env and i dont understand why. |
| 14:39.13 | thctlo | ps, im building samba for the last 4 years now.. |
| 14:39.15 | RoyK | greycat: samba-dev, perhaps? |
| 14:40.00 | thctlo | something changed somewhere in debian and i cant find what. |
| 14:40.03 | thctlo | and where. |
| 14:40.31 | greycat | this weird thing that I've been doing for the last 4 years which nobody else is doing and which I cannot explain to you suddenly stopped working. why? |
| 14:40.42 | jelly | RoyK: requiring samba-dev to build samba would be a nice catch 22 |
| 14:42.55 | jelly | thctlo: how come it's not enough for does your build process to just specify --with-libcephfs= or whatever? |
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| 14:43.04 | jelly | oops, broken sentence |
| 14:43.16 | jelly | s/does // |
| 14:44.09 | thctlo | my build is exactly the samba as the official debian builds, only 1 difference, im build on and for buster. |
| 14:44.18 | jelly | thctlo: are you using ceph from packages? Are they also locally built? |
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| 14:46.26 | jelly | thctlo: I mean there's #packaging over on irc.oftc.net, but they're also going to ask you exactly what and how (and possibly why) you're doing it this way |
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| 14:47.22 | thctlo | Ah, thank jelly, i'll ask on the packaging then. |
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| 14:47.47 | thctlo | what i do.. https://apt.van-belle.nl/ << see.. |
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| 14:48.04 | thctlo | im stuck on 4.11, for 2 weeks now.. |
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| 14:48.24 | jelly | ,v samba |
| 14:48.25 | judd | Package: samba on amd64 -- jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u9; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u13; stretch: 2:4.5.16+dfsg-1+deb9u2; stretch-security: 2:4.5.16+dfsg-1+deb9u2; buster: 2:4.9.5+dfsg-5; buster-security: 2:4.9.5+dfsg-5+deb10u1; bullseye: 2:4.11.0+dfsg-10; sid: 2:4.11.0+dfsg-10 |
| 14:48.43 | jelly | thctlo: there's nothing newer than 4.11 in sid |
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| 14:49.34 | thctlo | i build the newest.. https://salsa.debian.org/samba-team/samba/blob/master/debian/changelog << line : 102 = me. |
| 14:49.37 | greycat | lemme guess, this is the part where they say they're not using the Debainized wources |
| 14:49.42 | greycat | sources |
| 14:50.00 | thctlo | and still im not getting the grr.. dm$@$#@@# buidld :-( |
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| 14:52.14 | greycat | <greycat> "I did apt-get source samba and..." <thctlo> No, that's not what I did. I'm building my own debs from upstream source. |
| 14:52.45 | greycat | I missed that part of the conversation, right? They actually said that, because that's what a normal HUMAN BEING WOULD SAY at that point, to set the record straight, and make sure everyone understands what the issues are? |
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| 14:53.22 | thctlo | what im looking for is, how is LD_LIBRARY_PATH, passed from a build started with : sudo -E OS=debian DIST=buster ARCH=amd64 DEPS="samba${SambaBuildVer}" pdebuild --debbuildopts -sa |
| 14:53.58 | thctlo | note, DEPS="samba${SambaBuildVer}" matches my local repo to include needed build depends |
| 14:54.44 | greycat | http://paste.debian.net/1105556/ |
| 14:54.48 | greycat | Any more questions? |
| 14:55.25 | greycat | Was this not the FIRST THING I said? |
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| 14:56.04 | jelly | I can't help, but I still think one should not mess with LD_LIBRARY_PATH at all at build time. "There must be a better way!" |
| 14:56.10 | greycat | I agree with jelly. |
| 14:56.18 | greycat | None of this makes any damned SENSE. At all. |
| 14:56.36 | thctlo | guys, english is not my native language, so understanding why you guys saying is hard sometimes. |
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| 14:56.42 | jelly | nod |
| 14:57.19 | greycat | 1) you don't use LD_LIBRARY_PATH when building things. Any things. |
| 14:57.35 | greycat | 2) sudo strips LD_LIBRARY_PATH from the environment, and you are using sudo, so it is stripped. |
| 14:58.29 | thctlo | 1) d/rules contains : ifeq ($(DEB_HOST_ARCH_OS), linux) |
| 14:58.29 | thctlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.29 | thctlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.29 | thctlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.29 | thctlo | endif |
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| 14:59.07 | thctlo | 2) (oeps).. pbuilderrc contains the export of ld_lib-path |
| 14:59.46 | thctlo | as shown per example on PbuilderTricks |
| 15:00.27 | thctlo | if i change : dh_shlibdeps -a ... to dh_shlibdeps -a -llib_path still no go. that why im asking here. |
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| 15:08.22 | thctlo | well, at least, thank you for the help, it gave me some ideas.. but its still very strange.. <greycat>None of this makes any damned SENSE. At all.... <<< totaly agree.. :-/ |
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| 15:09.48 | greycat | If the question is actually "I want to build a deb from upstream samba, newer than sid's" then #debian-mentors on OFTC might be a good starting point. |
| 15:10.07 | thctlo | no.. i want to make the backport packages for debian. |
| 15:10.13 | thctlo | or the fasttrack |
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| 15:11.07 | thctlo | but running a new test build atm. |
| 15:11.13 | jelly | ,v debhelper |
| 15:11.16 | judd | Package: debhelper on amd64 -- jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; stretch: 10.2.5; stretch-backports: 12.1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 12.1.1; bullseye: 12.6.1; sid: 12.6.1 |
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| 15:11.51 | jelly | thctlo: funny question, does building sid samba version in sid chroot work? |
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| 15:12.56 | thctlo | pff. i was able to make 2x the builds, but i cant recall what i changed ... tried so many.. but lets wait what my new run is doing. |
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| 15:13.24 | thctlo | that might be one in sid, but i can try that also in about 5 min |
| 15:13.50 | thctlo | almost at the "error" point.. its always the same point. |
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| 15:25.52 | kreyren | Can i run .NET framework on debian? |
| 15:26.01 | kreyren | sw requires 4.0 |
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| 15:27.34 | thctlo | kreyren : https://www.mono-project.com/docs/about-mono/compatibility/ |
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| 15:29.23 | kreyren | thctlo, thanks |
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| 15:30.29 | B|ack0p | hi. is there a way to find out what desktop environment i am using currently? |
| 15:30.47 | B|ack0p | probably xfce but looks different |
| 15:30.57 | B|ack0p | something colorful |
| 15:31.05 | somiaj | B|ack0p: you could run 'ps fax' from a terminal and see what process are running |
| 15:31.12 | B|ack0p | ok |
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| 15:32.02 | jelly | B|ack0p: what does "env |grep XDG_SESSION" say? |
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| 15:32.42 | B|ack0p | XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=xfce |
| 15:32.42 | B|ack0p | XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11 |
| 15:32.42 | B|ack0p | XDG_SESSION_CLASS=user |
| 15:32.42 | B|ack0p | XDG_SESSION_ID=9 |
| 15:32.48 | B|ack0p | hmm |
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| 15:32.59 | B|ack0p | ops |
| 15:33.00 | jelly | B|ack0p: that first one is a clue. |
| 15:33.05 | B|ack0p | ok |
| 15:33.18 | B|ack0p | i created panel3 but it disappeared |
| 15:33.25 | B|ack0p | difficult to use this thing |
| 15:33.37 | jelly | maybe it hid on another monitor! |
| 15:33.48 | B|ack0p | i am using on laptop |
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| 15:34.01 | B|ack0p | it hid under panel2 (bottom bar) |
| 15:34.10 | petn-randall | jelly: It's easy to loose track of my dozen monitors. |
| 15:34.18 | B|ack0p | panel3 suppose to show workspace at right side of bottom bar |
| 15:34.46 | petn-randall | lose even |
| 15:35.05 | jelly | B|ack0p: xfce can have autohiding of panels that only leaves a couple pixels visible on the edge, until you hover over that sliver |
| 15:35.16 | B|ack0p | jelly, i am sure i didnt set autohide |
| 15:35.33 | jelly | I don't remember whether it's enabled by default for new panels |
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| 15:37.08 | jelly | petn-randall: three outputs is quite enough for me to get lost |
| 15:37.28 | jelly | esp when two of those are DVI and VGA on one same monitor |
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| 15:37.40 | B|ack0p | i cant take screenshot |
| 15:37.46 | B|ack0p | prtscr doesnt work |
| 15:38.07 | jelly | there's a CLI utility called "scrot" than you can install and run |
| 15:38.40 | B|ack0p | xfce is too complicated for me |
| 15:38.45 | B|ack0p | gnome is slow.. |
| 15:38.49 | B|ack0p | i dont know what to use |
| 15:38.55 | aurelien | try ratpoison ;-) |
| 15:38.59 | greycat | a regular window manager, perhaps? |
| 15:39.19 | B|ack0p | greycat, which one is that? |
| 15:39.24 | B|ack0p | isnt it gnome also? |
| 15:39.32 | greycat | you can get a list with apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager |
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| 15:40.37 | B|ack0p | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MMWTyKH78T/ |
| 15:41.22 | greycat | I'm going to guess that you ran apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager and then instead of reading the output, decided that you wanted one of us to read it and tell you which one to pick. That's not how this works. |
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| 15:41.33 | somiaj | B|ack0p: window managers will often contain less tools and configuration options, they are fast and slick, but sometimes take a bit more work to configure to do what you want (often with using a text file) |
| 15:42.07 | greycat | selection and customization of a user interface is highly personal and subjective; only you can pick the one that's right for you |
| 15:42.46 | B|ack0p | it will take time to get use to it |
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| 16:06.23 | karlpinc | Can a debian amazon ec instance or one running on azure be upgraded from one major release to another? Google does not support this. Amazon might.... |
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| 16:07.10 | jelly | even if the provider does not support it, why would it fail to work? |
| 16:07.34 | karlpinc | jelly: Mostly there's incidental stuff that won't work. |
| 16:07.40 | jelly | a release upgrade is a release upgrade... |
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| 16:08.08 | karlpinc | Stuff like spinning up a disk snapshot and having it automatically get a new IP. Monitoring tools, and so forth. |
| 16:08.51 | karlpinc | There's also some crazy clould kernels, although presumeably the upgrade would just work and choose the right one to upgrade. |
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| 16:09.18 | karlpinc | Mostly the issue is being able to say that what you're doing is supported, so you can blame somebody else when things break. :) |
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| 16:10.17 | jelly | okay, and open-vm-tools break sometimes on our VMware at work |
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| 16:24.42 | Mr_9anu3rq | hi, anyone familiar with snort IDS? I need help, snort alert is triggered but the reject action fails. any suggestions? what should I do? |
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| 16:28.36 | B|ack0p | i have many terminals LXTerminal MateTerminal QTerminal |
| 16:28.51 | B|ack0p | where can i find normal default terminal? |
| 16:29.07 | greycat | xterm is the closest thing to a "normal" X terminal emulator |
| 16:29.33 | B|ack0p | when i run Terminal Emulator on default Xfce it opens QTerminal |
| 16:29.46 | karlpinc | If you want the real thing, use a vt. :) |
| 16:29.53 | B|ack0p | it is QT |
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| 16:30.31 | B|ack0p | i just want original terminal |
| 16:30.31 | karlpinc | B|ack0p: It is probably dependent upon choices made in update-alternatives, although I don't really know. |
| 16:30.39 | jelly | "update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator" might or might not change the default |
| 16:30.39 | greycat | if you want the "real thing", you need an RS-232 serial port |
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| 16:30.48 | B|ack0p | where can i get it? |
| 16:30.57 | B|ack0p | what debian comes with? |
| 16:31.14 | jelly | B|ack0p: DEC VT terminals cost a pretty penny these days. Use xterm if unsure. |
| 16:31.19 | greycat | Debian doesn't "come with" any X terminal emulators unless you select one of the Desktop Environments. |
| 16:31.23 | karlpinc | B|ack0p: Debian "comes with", minimally, vts. |
| 16:31.24 | karlpinc | !vt |
| 16:31.25 | dpkg | methinks vt is Virtual Terminal, like the console; change VTs using Alt+Left/Right or Alt+F1, Alt+F2 etc. To get from X to a VT, use Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and Alt+F7 to get back, most likely). You can also use "chvt" to switch VT. VT is also used to mean Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica), ask me about <xve>. |
| 16:32.03 | B|ack0p | on xfce i cant find Store |
| 16:32.07 | B|ack0p | where i can download apps |
| 16:32.15 | greycat | "sudo apt-get install xterm" |
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| 16:32.56 | karlpinc | B|ack0p: The "synatptic" package GUI is the closest you'll get to a "store". |
| 16:33.07 | karlpinc | Er, "synaptic". |
| 16:34.30 | B|ack0p | which terminal does ubuntu use? |
| 16:34.34 | B|ack0p | i am more familiar with that one |
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| 16:34.44 | karlpinc | does not know whether synaptic can install packages any more, given that X does not run as root. One would think there'd be a way, by maybe nobody cares. |
| 16:34.46 | greycat | GNOME uses gnome-terminal typically. |
| 16:34.57 | greycat | I don't know whether Ubuntu still uses GNOME as its default desktop env. |
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| 16:35.24 | karlpinc | B|ack0p: You can run gnome-terminal in whatever desktop you choose. |
| 16:35.29 | B|ack0p | karlpinc, it installs |
| 16:35.52 | B|ack0p | gnu terminal |
| 16:35.55 | B|ack0p | in synaptic |
| 16:36.16 | B|ack0p | actually it is automated process of apt install in terminal |
| 16:37.12 | greycat | synaptic is just a graphical front-end to the APT system, like apt-get is a command-line front-end |
| 16:37.24 | B|ack0p | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 16:37.44 | greycat | probably means you aren't root |
| 16:37.49 | B|ack0p | i was sudo |
| 16:38.34 | jelly | best don't run synaptic and apt at the same time |
| 16:38.51 | B|ack0p | i didnt but synaptic was open |
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| 16:39.03 | jelly | "was open" means it was running. |
| 16:39.31 | B|ack0p | ok :p |
| 16:39.46 | jelly | "a process is running" means it exists, not necessarily actively doing something visible |
| 16:40.29 | greycat | the real question is under what conditions synaptic holds that lock -- whether it's as soon as you start it up until it terminates, or only during package operations |
| 16:40.36 | jelly | your fridge may be running in a similar way, even if the compressor isn't doing anything right now |
| 16:41.04 | B|ack0p | i cant add gnome-terminal as item/launcher on xfce panel |
| 16:41.25 | B|ack0p | gnome-terminal is already installed but doesnt exist in panel items |
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| 16:45.58 | karlpinc | B\ |
| 16:46.25 | karlpinc | B|ack0p: It does not show up under "accessories"? |
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| 16:46.43 | B|ack0p | let me check |
| 16:46.47 | jelly | B|ack0p: it won't be in items, you'll have to add a "launcher" thing if I remember correctly, and then pick the app to run |
| 16:47.32 | jelly | an app entry _ought to_ appear after installation, but maybe you need to log off and log back on for some reason |
| 16:48.31 | karlpinc | I suggested "accessories" because I've a bunch of terminal apps under there in my xfce menu. |
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| 16:51.23 | B|ack0p | done |
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| 17:01.40 | B|ack0p | added launcher and then added app manual |
| 17:01.52 | B|ack0p | anyway xfce terminal is better |
| 17:02.33 | B|ack0p | i have 2 issues |
| 17:02.48 | B|ack0p | 1- it doesnt go to sleep when i close the screen lid |
| 17:03.00 | B|ack0p | 2- PrtScr button doesnt take screenshot |
| 17:03.34 | greycat | Have you tried searching google/ddg/bing for "how to screen shot xfce debian" or similar? |
| 17:04.35 | B|ack0p | 1-done |
| 17:04.39 | B|ack0p | 2 no idea yet |
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| 17:08.21 | B|ack0p | 2-done ! |
| 17:08.22 | B|ack0p | perfect |
| 17:08.29 | B|ack0p | thx all for your helps :) |
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| 17:13.25 | B|ack0p | i have a little issue.. when i close the lid it sleeps ok.. but when i open the lid it wakes up but it doesnt show lock screen.. it directly opens desktop where i left |
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| 17:14.20 | c0rnelius | are you using xfce? |
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| 17:14.48 | B|ack0p | c0rnelius, yep |
| 17:14.58 | c0rnelius | look under power manager |
| 17:15.04 | c0rnelius | should be in settings |
| 17:15.04 | B|ack0p | i checked |
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| 17:15.17 | B|ack0p | it has 2 options if i close the lid: lock screen or sleep |
| 17:15.20 | c0rnelius | are you using lightdm ? |
| 17:15.33 | B|ack0p | c0rnelius, well i realised it has weird lock screen |
| 17:15.42 | B|ack0p | after using xfce |
| 17:15.53 | B|ack0p | it was lightdm before i think |
| 17:15.54 | B|ack0p | not sure |
| 17:16.10 | c0rnelius | well light-locker would be for lightdm |
| 17:16.15 | c0rnelius | install that |
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| 17:16.44 | B|ack0p | oh it has screensaver |
| 17:16.45 | B|ack0p | weird |
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| 17:17.02 | c0rnelius | if ur using something else like xscreensaver you would need to set it up using that application |
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| 17:17.43 | c0rnelius | personally i use gnome-screensaver and light-locker |
| 17:18.10 | SerajewelKS | i can't use light-locker because after a few days it refuses to unlock anymore |
| 17:18.27 | SerajewelKS | be careful using it |
| 17:19.07 | c0rnelius | ctrl+alt+F7 willl get you out of that |
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| 17:19.14 | SerajewelKS | nope |
| 17:19.26 | c0rnelius | well does for me anyway |
| 17:19.43 | SerajewelKS | that will bring me to the login screen, yes. entering my credentials takes me back to an all-black screen. |
| 17:19.45 | greycat | when Debian dropped xlockmore (xlock), I switched to i3lock |
| 17:19.51 | SerajewelKS | killing light-locker resolves it one time |
| 17:20.05 | SerajewelKS | then the next time i lock the screen, the screen turns all red and the system is completely unresponsive |
| 17:20.19 | B|ack0p | Why does it use custom lock screen why not default one |
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| 17:20.26 | SerajewelKS | this apparently has been an issue with light-locker for a long time and hasn't been fixed; i advise against using light-locker at all |
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| 17:20.53 | c0rnelius | seems to work fine for me. |
| 17:20.57 | greycat | #913062 ? |
| 17:20.58 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/913062 in light-locker (open): «light-locker: impossible to unlock: black screen, then the lightdm prompt again (not reproducible)»; severity: important; opened: 2018-11-06; last modified: 2019-09-12. |
| 17:21.04 | SerajewelKS | it doesn't happen to everyone |
| 17:21.17 | SerajewelKS | but it sucks having to spontaneously reboot because of a DM locker |
| 17:21.39 | c0rnelius | i noticed it acts glitchy on my NanoPC-T4 |
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| 17:21.49 | SerajewelKS | greycat: yep, in fact i left feedback on that bug |
| 17:21.51 | c0rnelius | but thats to be expected. |
| 17:22.19 | c0rnelius | also buster in general hasn't worked all the bugs out i thinks |
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| 17:22.29 | SerajewelKS | this was also a problem in stretch |
| 17:22.31 | B|ack0p | this is crazy |
| 17:22.55 | c0rnelius | oh. i've enever had to problem in scretch |
| 17:23.16 | SerajewelKS | my advise is to avoid light-locker unless you enjoy playing russian roulette with your workspace |
| 17:23.27 | SerajewelKS | there's plently of alternatives that work better |
| 17:23.41 | c0rnelius | well don't use light-locker and just use gnome-screensaver to lock the screen |
| 17:23.42 | SerajewelKS | advice* |
| 17:23.48 | c0rnelius | thats what I use on my main desktop |
| 17:23.49 | B|ack0p | https://i.postimg.cc/mkkrQJsd/Screenshot-2019-10-09-20-22-46.png |
| 17:23.53 | SerajewelKS | sure that might work as well, i use xscreensaver instead |
| 17:23.54 | B|ack0p | this is my power setting |
| 17:24.01 | SerajewelKS | haven't had a problem with xscreensaver in 20 years |
| 17:24.14 | B|ack0p | i set On battery - lock screen Plugged in - suspend |
| 17:24.26 | B|ack0p | even it is not AC Plugged it goes to sleep when i close the lid |
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| 17:25.46 | B|ack0p | and this is the only option to set lockscreen: https://i.postimg.cc/SRcm7hPf/Screenshot-2019-10-09-20-23-03.png |
| 17:26.01 | B|ack0p | what if i dont wanna use screensaver and i want screen locks after 3 mins? |
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| 17:29.49 | Chester86 | ciao |
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| 17:31.39 | B|ack0p | ciao too |
| 17:32.28 | Chester86 | !list |
| 17:32.29 | dpkg | chester86: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 17:32.38 | leto | Hi, I'm facing a very annoying bug on my debian. Suddently, my graphic windows freeze. I can do anything, except continue in text mode (hence this message, thanks to irssi). In which logs should I investigate to solve this issue? Debian with gnome-shell |
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| 17:34.57 | B|ack0p | leto, i was facing system freeze too only option was hard reset by power button.. i replaced the rams and fixed |
| 17:35.06 | B|ack0p | i was also on gnome |
| 17:35.18 | B|ack0p | leto, dmesg may show errors |
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| 17:45.38 | karlpinc | leto: The X logs also. Does it happen when you're runnning something besides gnome? If not then the problem may be in gnome. |
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| 17:54.19 | Ede|Popede | unlike for XKBLAYOUT it seems that there's no grub option to set for /etc/default/console-setup # CHARMAP="UTF-8" -- or did i miss something in live-config(7)? |
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| 17:56.15 | unborn | hi leto , check your ram and also drivers for your gfc. |
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| 17:57.48 | karlpinc | leto: Right. run memtest86+ Overnight so things have time to come up to temperature. |
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| 17:59.50 | unborn | hi all here and there.. I have the question for someone advanced here.. when I boot everything works as it should however as soon as I log into the system I have no problem rather then 3 sec after login, then my screen will went black for 2 or 3 secs and then come back to normal.., my obvious question is why is this? logs are clear... I am on this: |
| 18:00.05 | unborn | Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Debian 9.11 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2330M CPU @ 2.20GHz (899MHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.5 GiB Total (6.5 GiB Free) Swap: 11.9 GiB Total (11.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 320.2 GB / 463.1 GB (143.0 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Controller • Uptime: 1d 5h 26m 42s |
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| 18:01.37 | unborn | its old machine but with ssd and fastest ram available , once blackout is done machine working perfectly... could that be the issue that I was constantly updating from debian 6 ? |
| 18:01.47 | unborn | - without reinstalling |
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| 18:03.48 | leto | karlpinc: thanks, how can I check the X logs? I haven't tried besides gnome yet (I don't use another graphic manager) |
| 18:04.19 | leto | unborn: what is gfc? graphic something I assume? |
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| 18:04.29 | unborn | leto: check @ /var/logs folder |
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| 18:04.59 | unborn | leto: ah gfc = gra-phics card |
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| 18:05.40 | unborn | basically graphics card, as my girl friend - gfc = graphics.. |
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| 18:07.01 | B|ack0p | how can i set only 1 lock screen for xfce desktop? |
| 18:07.14 | B|ack0p | login screen and lock screen is different |
| 18:07.27 | B|ack0p | also xfce screensave lockscreen is different |
| 18:07.36 | B|ack0p | there are 3 different screens |
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| 18:12.41 | SerajewelKS | i know how pvmove works but it still feels like magic |
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| 18:20.06 | dorothy | hi! is there an archive for old, 10+ years releases? |
| 18:21.37 | nkuttler | !snapshot |
| 18:21.37 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 18:21.43 | towo` | dorothy, www.debian.org/distrib/archive.en.html |
| 18:22.04 | greycat | if you mean the installer images, that's in a separate place |
| 18:22.05 | greycat | !archive |
| 18:22.05 | dpkg | archive is probably a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 18:23.35 | dorothy | i found the installer images, but not any repository archives |
| 18:25.07 | dorothy | !snapshot |
| 18:25.07 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 18:25.36 | dorothy | thanks :) |
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| 18:49.11 | Vizva | why the Virtualbox is dropped in strecth, somewhere news about it? |
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| 18:51.01 | greycat | !virtualbox |
| 18:51.02 | dpkg | Oracle VM VirtualBox is an almost free software virtual machine solution. To install, see https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox or ask me about <vbox-install jessie>, <vbox-install wheezy>. http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox rename>, <vbox guest>, <vbox extpack>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>. |
| 18:51.48 | rda-mac | Hello, do you think that the aptitude package is being deprecated and should I start using apt instead ? |
| 18:52.28 | greycat | why would you think that? |
| 18:52.45 | greycat | even freakin' *dselect* is still in Debian |
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| 18:53.11 | Vizva | my mistake i am using buster |
| 18:54.06 | rda-mac | because it is not installed by default and because it has few experienced people working on it. And because my boss told me, but I don't know where he got the information. |
| 18:54.13 | Vizva | i think its too much with exterial code |
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| 18:55.13 | Vizva | i could use physical disk with virtual manger |
| 18:55.20 | Vizva | neat |
| 18:56.23 | enri | hey |
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| 18:57.07 | enri | does anyone had problem connecing laptop thow hdmi to tv and linux not showing anything? |
| 18:57.53 | enri | xrandr not seeing hdmi |
| 18:59.11 | B|ack0p | how can i get only 1 lock/login screen please? |
| 18:59.23 | B|ack0p | i have 3 different screens : https://postimg.cc/gallery/nbx0mn5u/ |
| 18:59.53 | B|ack0p | this is original login screen: https://postimg.cc/SYN3zsDy |
| 19:00.08 | nkuttler | B|ack0p: uninstall xscreensaver? |
| 19:00.16 | B|ack0p | this one when screen locks on xfce: https://postimg.cc/Y4YJ5Tvw |
| 19:00.28 | nkuttler | the other two look like login/lock, they do different things |
| 19:00.32 | B|ack0p | and this is when i click on lock manually : https://postimg.cc/wyzSgFNR |
| 19:00.37 | B|ack0p | nkuttler, will that fix the problem? |
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| 19:00.46 | nkuttler | B|ack0p: you tell us |
| 19:00.51 | B|ack0p | i dont know |
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| 19:01.13 | nkuttler | try |
| 19:01.23 | B|ack0p | how will i uninstall screensaver? |
| 19:01.44 | nkuttler | B|ack0p: have you ever installed a debian package before? how? |
| 19:02.13 | B|ack0p | sudo apt install ... |
| 19:02.42 | nkuttler | B|ack0p: so uninstall xscreensaver? |
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| 19:03.11 | B|ack0p | apt purge xscreensaver |
| 19:03.14 | B|ack0p | ok done |
| 19:03.34 | B|ack0p | now lock screen doesnt work |
| 19:03.39 | B|ack0p | should i reboot? |
| 19:04.13 | nkuttler | what do you mean, lock screen doesn't work? |
| 19:04.27 | B|ack0p | i click lock manually and it doesnt do anything |
| 19:04.32 | greycat | if you removed xscreensaver, what program are you running to do the locking? |
| 19:04.41 | B|ack0p | yea that s another issue |
| 19:04.55 | nkuttler | from the looks of it, that xfce power manager thing |
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| 19:05.10 | B|ack0p | i would like only 1 login/lock screen this one: https://postimg.cc/SYN3zsDy |
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| 19:05.38 | nkuttler | fwiw, there is a xfce4-screensaver package that has a locker |
| 19:05.47 | B|ack0p | nkuttler, xfce power manager thing appears automatically when i leave idle or close the lid.. |
| 19:05.50 | nkuttler | if you already have it installed, yeah, reboot, or restart x i guess |
| 19:06.20 | B|ack0p | how can i get only 1 screen for both? gdm3 or lightdm |
| 19:06.26 | B|ack0p | https://postimg.cc/SYN3zsDy |
| 19:06.28 | B|ack0p | this one |
| 19:06.38 | B|ack0p | where i login and choose sessions |
| 19:06.50 | B|ack0p | why everything is so complicated with linux :S |
| 19:07.01 | nkuttler | ok, can you focus on one problem and solve that first? |
| 19:07.05 | B|ack0p | for each things i need to install something |
| 19:07.11 | B|ack0p | nkuttler, ok |
| 19:07.21 | nkuttler | ah, the freedom of being able to customized your system.. |
| 19:07.32 | greycat | You *had* a screen locker/saver, but you removed it, and then somehow you were surprised whne you couldn't lock the screen any more. |
| 19:07.32 | B|ack0p | yes i know but it is not easy at all |
| 19:07.43 | B|ack0p | for hours i am trying to figure out what to do about lock screen |
| 19:08.01 | nkuttler | B|ack0p: i mean, i just told you what to do |
| 19:08.02 | B|ack0p | greycat, i wanna use only 1 login/lock screen |
| 19:08.08 | B|ack0p | ok i will reboot |
| 19:08.13 | greycat | I do not know what this question MEANS. |
| 19:08.15 | B|ack0p | brb then.. |
| 19:08.25 | nkuttler | B|ack0p: and make sure you have xfce4-screensaver installed |
| 19:08.28 | B|ack0p | greycat, i want only this screen : https://postimg.cc/SYN3zsDy |
| 19:08.37 | B|ack0p | nkuttler, why do i need screen save? / |
| 19:08.40 | B|ack0p | saver |
| 19:08.41 | nkuttler | B|ack0p: there's no need to repeat yourself over and over |
| 19:08.48 | nkuttler | B|ack0p: because they usually also do the locking |
| 19:08.56 | B|ack0p | grrrr |
| 19:09.17 | greycat | Pick one. When you want to lock the screen, run the one you chose. Done. |
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| 19:09.26 | nkuttler | i mean, i simply use i3lock, that only locks. but it's i3.. |
| 19:09.27 | B|ack0p | E: Unable to locate package xfce4-screensave |
| 19:09.38 | greycat | I use i3lock as well, and no other pieces of i3. |
| 19:09.42 | nkuttler | B|ack0p: type it without the error? |
| 19:10.23 | B|ack0p | sudo apt install xfce4-screensaver giving that error |
| 19:10.54 | nkuttler | B|ack0p: copy and paste command and error on paste.debian.net |
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| 19:12.34 | B|ack0p | nkuttler, http://paste.debian.net/plain/1105598 |
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| 19:13.16 | nkuttler | ,v xfce4-screensaver |
| 19:13.18 | judd | Package: xfce4-screensaver on amd64 -- sid: 0.1.8-1 |
| 19:13.22 | nkuttler | eh.. |
| 19:13.35 | greycat | I can't find it either, not even with apt-cache search xfce screen saver |
| 19:13.53 | greycat | either it's not in buster *at all*, or it's part of something else |
| 19:14.02 | B|ack0p | i dont think ppl using screensaver in 2019 |
| 19:14.10 | nkuttler | greycat: do you have judd on ignore? |
| 19:14.22 | B|ack0p | i would like to use as a nostalgia but lock screen shouldnt depend on that one |
| 19:14.29 | greycat | No. I'm confirming that, like judd, I cannot find it in buster, and I gave additional information. |
| 19:14.41 | nkuttler | B|ack0p: yeah, you'll need something else to lock. but considering i don't xfce i can't help you |
| 19:15.00 | greycat | B|ack0p: just fucking PICK ONE. |
| 19:15.20 | B|ack0p | greycat, i am picking original/default login screen |
| 19:15.26 | B|ack0p | why is it so difficult? |
| 19:15.31 | greycat | I don't know any program by that name. |
| 19:15.38 | B|ack0p | gdm3 |
| 19:15.42 | B|ack0p | or lightdm |
| 19:15.44 | greycat | gdm3 is not a screen locker/saver |
| 19:15.48 | greycat | it is a fucking DISPLAY MANAGER |
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| 19:15.54 | greycat | same with lightdm |
| 19:15.58 | B|ack0p | it gives me login screen |
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| 19:16.01 | nkuttler | B|ack0p: if you want easy, you should simply have installed the "desktop environment" |
| 19:16.03 | greycat | ... |
| 19:16.26 | B|ack0p | nkuttler, i have all the desktop environments installed |
| 19:16.30 | nkuttler | xfce4 is not the default with the installer |
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| 19:16.35 | B|ack0p | i chose all of them while installing debian10 |
| 19:16.35 | greycat | You want to LOCK an EXISTING SESSION. This requires a PROGRAM THAT LOCKS YOUR SESSION. Your login screen does not lock your existing session. |
| 19:16.49 | nkuttler | if you want to customize stuff, customized it. if you don't, use gnome.. |
| 19:17.06 | B|ack0p | i am more familiar with ubuntu/gnome but gnome is too heavy |
| 19:17.12 | B|ack0p | that s why i wanted to give xfce try |
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| 19:17.24 | B|ack0p | i never had this problem on gnome |
| 19:17.33 | B|ack0p | it gives me only 1 screen to login and lock |
| 19:17.33 | brutser | when i boot i have several scripts running from initramfs, part of this is decryption of rootfs, but if rootfs is on external media, i get the following message displayed to stdout >> "cryptsetup: Waiting for encrypted source device /dev/external", this is not a huge problem i thought (it's only a print to tty), but it interferes with my custom |
| 19:17.33 | nkuttler | so keep using gnome |
| 19:17.33 | brutser | scripts and i just prefer not to have it (it does not appear with internal disks). my questions are: 1. why is it only printed with external devices, some delay of initialization or something? 2. can i prevent it somehow? 3. this message seems to come from cryptsetup as it is displaying crypttab device, so i need to look in cryptsetup source? i did |
| 19:17.34 | brutser | and could not find this print to screen... |
| 19:17.46 | B|ack0p | gnome is too heavy and slow working.. |
| 19:18.00 | B|ack0p | my old laptop struggles on it |
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| 19:20.08 | B|ack0p | ok thx for your kind advises |
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| 19:30.15 | karlpinc | brutser: You might dig around in the initramfs scripts. It's a thought. |
| 19:30.43 | brutser | karlpinc: yes will need to do that i guess |
| 19:30.44 | brutser | :) |
| 19:31.15 | karlpinc | brutser: They were very hackable last time I looked. |
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| 19:32.54 | somiaj | brutser: you can control where output, both stderr and stdout is sent. |
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| 19:39.42 | brutser | somiaj: yes, but in my scripts i already redirect the output for that, i don't really know yet where this message is coming from |
| 19:40.37 | brutser | is it automounting, or just cryptsetup from initrd who is waiting for the crypted device(s), if i change device in crypttab to /dev/sdZ it will display " cryptsetup: waiting for encryped device /dev/sdZ" so it's reading from crypttab, that's for sure |
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| 20:15.41 | kingsley | somiaj & jelly: Thank you very much for reassuring me Debian's AMD64 architecture should run on an Intel Xeon E5. |
| 20:16.28 | kingsley | I was unaware AMD invented it. |
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| 20:17.12 | nifker | Which package contains iface? |
| 20:18.09 | greycat | Are you talking about lines in /etc/network/interfaces? iface isn't a shell command. |
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| 20:18.38 | mason | kingsley: Did you read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 ? |
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| 20:20.00 | kingsley | mason: I had not. But after I read your question, I checked it out. Thanks for the data! |
| 20:20.11 | mason | Sure. |
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| 20:34.06 | Gigglebyte | Does anyone know how I can change a double click mouse to a single click in Debian Stretch? I looked on the net for some help, and only found forums for Ubuntu. |
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| 20:36.01 | jmcnaught | Gigglebyte: do you mean in the file manager for GNOME? |
| 20:36.28 | Gigglebyte | jmcnaught> I am using XFCE, and not GNOME. |
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| 20:37.24 | jmcnaught | okay |
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| 20:45.00 | Gigglebyte | Found it. Apparently you right click the desktop, and select the checkbox that says single click. It doesn't say anything about mouse, but that is the setting. I now have a single click mouse. |
| 20:45.39 | greycat | I don't even know what these combinations of words mean. The gap between command-line users and GUI users is growing larger. |
| 20:45.40 | somiaj | you often have to set this per appliaction |
| 20:46.05 | somiaj | the desktop is probably using your file manager or something else, and so realize this setting only affects the mouse clicks in XFCE, not some other application. |
| 20:50.07 | Gigglebyte | Looks like the mouse issue was only partially solved. Only the desktop icons activate with one click. I still have to double click when I enter the home and documents folder. Any idea how to change this? |
| 20:50.32 | somiaj | configure the file manager, each app has to be configured indvidually |
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| 20:50.49 | Gigglebyte | somiaj> You talking to moi? |
| 20:51.17 | greycat | so the words "I now have a single click mouse" mean "when I click an icon within a file manager, I want the file manager to act as if I had double-clicked". |
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| 21:08.03 | _ioannis | Could someone help me out with a libvirt(using virsh) and a bridge connection? I'm afraid I'm gonna lose connection and this is a headless server. |
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| 21:09.39 | Ankman | _ioannis: what seems to be the problem? |
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| 21:10.24 | _ioannis | soooo I set up a bridge... |
| 21:10.32 | Ankman | not that i ever heard of libvirt |
| 21:10.36 | _ioannis | haha |
| 21:10.41 | _ioannis | great :( |
| 21:10.56 | Ankman | may be there is another option |
| 21:11.03 | Ankman | explain the peoblem please |
| 21:11.06 | _ioannis | ok well |
| 21:11.09 | _ioannis | I have a debian VM |
| 21:11.15 | _ioannis | I need it to show up in my local network |
| 21:12.10 | _ioannis | I managed to do this a few days ago but in the process I also got disconnected from my machine |
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| 21:12.18 | _ioannis | and I had to borrow a GPU to reset the settings |
| 21:12.27 | mason | _ioannis: You trying to set up a bridge on the host or something? |
| 21:12.32 | _ioannis | yes |
| 21:12.41 | Ankman | you run debian in a virtual machine on a host. what VM (Virtualbox, vmware...) is it? |
| 21:13.03 | _ioannis | the host is also Debian |
| 21:13.09 | _ioannis | it uses libvirt so I think it's KVM? |
| 21:13.51 | mason | _ioannis: https://bpaste.net/show/owSo or similar |
| 21:14.12 | _ioannis | wait a sec |
| 21:14.18 | Ankman | dunnow libvirt. but Vbox provides an internal IP address from the emulated machine to access the host and vice versa |
| 21:14.41 | _ioannis | https://bpaste.net/show/q_Lc |
| 21:14.48 | _ioannis | Ankman: yes I know, I don't want that |
| 21:15.05 | _ioannis | so mason the bridge shows up as active with my ethernet interface in it |
| 21:15.07 | mason | _ioannis: Ah, if you already have the bridge, then you just need to make sure the VM is using it |
| 21:15.16 | _ioannis | yes I've set it up in the VM as well |
| 21:15.30 | _ioannis | so I read the guide |
| 21:15.31 | mason | _ioannis: Look for <interface type='bridge'> in your xml for the VM |
| 21:15.41 | _ioannis | yes, I did |
| 21:15.55 | mason | _ioannis: Once you've found it, make sure <source bridge='bridge0'/> is there |
| 21:16.04 | _ioannis | it is :( |
| 21:16.11 | mason | What doesn't work? |
| 21:16.29 | _ioannis | is there a pastebin for pictures? :D |
| 21:16.41 | mason | There's imgur. Not sure. |
| 21:16.46 | _ioannis | gimme a sec then |
| 21:17.01 | mason | I've actually got to bail out, but if your bridge is working, that's half the battle. |
| 21:17.09 | _ioannis | https://imgur.com/1Ua5P6J |
| 21:17.18 | _ioannis | well the machine doesn't get an IP |
| 21:17.39 | mason | _ioannis: That's the VM? |
| 21:17.45 | _ioannis | yes |
| 21:17.52 | _ioannis | I can't paste from it that's why I needed imgur |
| 21:18.01 | Ankman | what does "ip route" say on the host? |
| 21:18.10 | mason | _ioannis: How about "dhclient ens1" inside the VM. What's that do? |
| 21:18.35 | _ioannis | hmm blinking dash |
| 21:18.55 | _ioannis | wait now show bridge0 |
| 21:19.03 | _ioannis | has an additional interface |
| 21:19.07 | _ioannis | called vnet0 |
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| 21:19.22 | _ioannis | it has enp9s0 (my host if) and a vnet0 |
| 21:19.24 | _ioannis | is that ok? |
| 21:19.51 | _ioannis | returned control, it didn't say anything |
| 21:19.53 | _ioannis | no IP |
| 21:19.56 | Ankman | if you use domain names they might not resolve if not set up properly. try to use fixed IPs instead |
| 21:20.00 | mason | I'm not remembering how it's using vnet0 but it sounds right so far. |
| 21:20.05 | _ioannis | I'm using fixed IP |
| 21:20.08 | Ankman | ok |
| 21:20.21 | _ioannis | I remember I set it up |
| 21:20.27 | _ioannis | and then just downed the bridge because I didn't needed it |
| 21:20.34 | mason | tcpdump on the host might show the guest asking for a lease. And yeah, set up a static address on the guest and see if you can ping the host, etc. |
| 21:20.35 | _ioannis | until I started using the VM that is |
| 21:20.51 | Ankman | _ioannis: can you paste in here what "ip route" prints out? |
| 21:20.58 | _ioannis | host or guest? |
| 21:20.59 | Ankman | on the host |
| 21:21.01 | mason | _ioannis: Wait, did you leave the underlying nick configured?? |
| 21:21.14 | _ioannis | mason: not sure what you mean? |
| 21:21.15 | mason | _ioannis: When you make a bridge, that's what your host uses too. |
| 21:21.20 | _ioannis | yes |
| 21:21.23 | mason | kk |
| 21:21.26 | _ioannis | I think that is true |
| 21:21.28 | _ioannis | from what I see |
| 21:21.39 | mason | Can you paste your whole interfaces file? |
| 21:22.08 | _ioannis | https://bpaste.net/show/hOZF |
| 21:22.18 | mason | That said, if I don't bail out now I'll be late, so I'll check in soon as I'm back. |
| 21:22.27 | mason | Um. cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:22.37 | _ioannis | https://bpaste.net/show/U5gn |
| 21:22.54 | _ioannis | thanks regardless! |
| 21:22.56 | mason | _ioannis: Yeah, that won't work. |
| 21:23.08 | _ioannis | ? |
| 21:23.18 | mason | _ioannis: Set up a bridge, and have THAT be what's on your host. Comment out the enp9s0 lines. |
| 21:23.21 | mason | For example: |
| 21:24.01 | mason | _ioannis: try this: https://bpaste.net/show/qbtC |
| 21:24.06 | _ioannis | but I didn't have to do that last time |
| 21:24.14 | mason | This is how a bridge works. |
| 21:24.18 | _ioannis | i do not wish this to be permanent |
| 21:24.32 | mason | Beats me then. Good luck. |
| 21:24.43 | _ioannis | https://imgur.com/aYYpVjG |
| 21:24.45 | _ioannis | look at this |
| 21:24.51 | _ioannis | the bridge *is* my main interface |
| 21:24.53 | _ioannis | that's from cockpit |
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| 21:25.19 | _ioannis | ip addr confirms |
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| 21:25.52 | _ioannis | :( thank you regardless |
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| 21:26.46 | Ankman | _ioannis: can you ping the machines from host to VM and VM to host? |
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| 21:27.33 | _ioannis | no the guest (vm) doesn't even get an IP |
| 21:28.30 | _ioannis | dang it everything looks ok |
| 21:28.33 | _ioannis | but no dice |
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| 21:29.29 | Ankman | then it seems to be a routing problem |
| 21:29.52 | Ankman | what does "ip addr" say on the VM? |
| 21:30.04 | _ioannis | https://imgur.com/1Ua5P6J |
| 21:30.05 | _ioannis | this |
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| 21:31.09 | Ankman | so no output? as i cannot see any IP |
| 21:31.21 | _ioannis | ens1 with no IP |
| 21:33.46 | _ioannis | ok let me rebuild the bridge |
| 21:33.53 | _ioannis | I guess I'll be disconected |
| 21:34.00 | dvs | Ankman, it has an IPv6 address |
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| 21:35.04 | Ankman | hmm |
| 21:35.23 | Ankman | if,i am out of ideas, sorry |
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| 21:37.08 | _ioannis | ... ok |
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| 21:39.43 | Ankman | _ioannis: according to a paste the bridge0 has the address 192.168.1.250? |
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| 21:40.53 | Ankman | am not sure why you need a bridge. i connected my host and the VM directly |
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| 21:46.04 | jmcnaught | Ankman: I use a bridge so that other computers on my LAN can access the VM. For example I have a VM on one computer that runs apt-cacher-ng, and all the other computers on the LAN use it. |
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| 21:54.02 | Ankman | k |
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| 21:55.21 | _ioannis | it's driving crazy :'( |
| 21:55.30 | _ioannis | me* |
| 21:56.20 | _ioannis | not sure where to ask help from, anyone here networking savvy? :'( Bridge/qEmu VM networking woes |
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| 22:01.54 | zeratul976 | Hi! I need to mount an encrypted hard drive from a live USB disk. |
| 22:02.02 | zeratul976 | The hard drive is encrypted using cryptsetup + LVM. |
| 22:02.12 | zeratul976 | As I understand it, mounting it requires using commands from the "lvm2" package. |
| 22:02.29 | zeratul976 | However, it looks like this package is not present in the Debian live USB image? |
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| 22:09.00 | zeratul976 | Update: solved by adding "contrib" to /etc/apt/sources.list and then installing the "lvm2" package using apt. |
| 22:12.48 | Ankman | nice to hear |
| 22:14.59 | annadane | but lvm2 isn't in contrib... |
| 22:16.24 | karlpinc | Maybe he just needed to "apt update", because it had never been done? (I don't know how the live images work with respect to that.) |
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| 22:24.39 | zeratul976 | Yeah, maybe I just needed "apt update" and didn't need "contrib" |
| 22:24.49 | somiaj | that sounded reasonable to me as well |
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| 22:56.39 | mutante | .pkg heirloom-mailx |
| 22:56.55 | mutante | dpkg: help |
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| 22:59.41 | annadane | ,v heirloom-mailx |
| 22:59.42 | judd | Package: heirloom-mailx on amd64 -- jessie: 12.5-4; stretch: 14.8.16-1 |
| 22:59.51 | annadane | ,i heirloom-mailx |
| 22:59.52 | judd | No package named 'heirloom-mailx' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 23:00.03 | annadane | oh it only does it for current stable |
| 23:00.20 | annadane | i guess maybe you can specify --release=stretch maybe |
| 23:00.35 | LtL | !heirloom-mailx |
| 23:00.35 | dpkg | Heirloom mailx (formerly nail) is a feature-rich mail user agent (MUA) for Unix systems. Supports UTF-8, SSL/TLS, reading of local/POP3/IMAP mailboxes, and sending of messages through /usr/bin/sendmail or via SMTP. See http://heirloom.sf.net/mailx.html for all available features. Packaged for Debian as heirloom-mailx. Replaced by <s-nail> in stretch. |
| 23:00.37 | mutante | annadane: thanks! i keep forgetting that |
| 23:00.52 | mutante | so what i really want is "what do i use instead of that on buster" |
| 23:01.03 | mutante | upgraded a machine and it's missing |
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| 23:02.06 | somiaj | well the factoid did say replaced by s-nail in stretch. |
| 23:02.28 | somiaj | thunderbird and evolution are more gui mail apps, and there is also mutt |
| 23:02.50 | somiaj | ,v s-nail |
| 23:02.52 | judd | Package: s-nail on amd64 -- stretch: 14.8.16-1; buster: 14.9.11-2; bullseye: 14.9.15-1; sid: 14.9.15-1 |
| 23:02.56 | somiaj | ,i s-nail |
| 23:02.57 | judd | Package s-nail (mail, optional) in buster/amd64: feature-rich BSD mail(1). Version: 14.9.11-2; Size: 481.2k; Installed: 901k; Homepage: https://www.sdaoden.eu/code.html |
| 23:02.58 | mutante | looking at s-nail. i need a commandline thing used by a script |
| 23:03.01 | mutante | thanks |
| 23:03.25 | somiaj | yea, looks like stretch heirloom-mailx was just a transitional package, s-nail should work. |
| 23:03.31 | mutante | :) cool |
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