| 00:00.57 | squarecircle | I appreciate any help ^^ |
| 00:01.16 | ksk | whats an FC? |
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| 00:01.38 | ksk | and no, I dont think so. I know dell servers do come with blinky LEDs, and from the color you can determine the state (synced, not synced) |
| 00:02.00 | ksk | but thats most likely a feature of the DELL hardware raid controller |
| 00:02.07 | ksk | (the expensive ones..) |
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| 00:05.54 | squarecircle | ksk: Fibre Channel |
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| 00:30.16 | squarecircle | I'm off |
| 00:30.26 | squarecircle | good night |
| 00:30.31 | squarecircle | d/quit |
| 00:30.33 | ksk | good night then to you, and your Fibre Channels ;) |
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| 01:12.17 | warsoul | How can i read |
| 01:12.21 | warsoul | GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden |
| 01:12.55 | somiaj | warsoul: what do you mean by read? |
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| 01:44.51 | warsoul | somiaj, when i turn on my pc im not seeing the grub to boot on linux or windows |
| 01:44.56 | warsoul | dont know what happen |
| 01:45.02 | warsoul | was working fine yesterday |
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| 02:06.43 | melissa666 | exit |
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| 02:11.28 | mason | subduct |
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| 02:27.32 | SerajewelKS | does qemu have a way to mirror-and-swap a drive while it's in use? consider the case where a drive comes from a file on disk but i want to change it to use a block device as the source instead. |
| 02:28.05 | SerajewelKS | the only way i can think of doing this is to have the guest be using LVM, add the block device to the guest, pvmove the LVs from the old file-backed device, then remove that device |
| 02:28.22 | SerajewelKS | it would be nice if there was some way of doing storage migrations that the guest doesn't need to support |
| 02:28.56 | tds | SerajewelKS: yes, qemu has that, it's used for live migration |
| 02:29.00 | SerajewelKS | i could use LVM on the host instead and only use LVs for guests. but then that rules out using files at all. |
| 02:29.33 | SerajewelKS | tds: i know about live migration between hypervisors, but live migration between drives without migrating to a different hypervisor? |
| 02:29.41 | tds | only thing to keep in mind is that it can be a bit rough if you're thin provisioning disks, as it'll at least write out a full set of zeros |
| 02:30.05 | mason | tds: Eh? You need shared storage for live migration, or has that changed very recently? |
| 02:30.06 | SerajewelKS | oh hmm "live block migration" |
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| 02:31.03 | SerajewelKS | is this actually implemented though? |
| 02:31.36 | tds | i'm not sure about libvirt, but I think proxmox has it, so presumably they just dump some stuff down the qemu control socket |
| 02:32.16 | SerajewelKS | yeah i'm not using libvirt, i'm directly invoking qemu-system |
| 02:32.30 | SerajewelKS | https://github.com/qemu/qemu/blob/master/docs/interop/live-block-operations.rst looks like it might have the answer i'm looking for |
| 02:32.31 | tds | ah, you should be fine in that case |
| 02:33.18 | SerajewelKS | the basic steps i'm looking for are "mirror current disk to this other device, keeping it in sync, then swap out the existing disk with the new disk" |
| 02:33.37 | SerajewelKS | like an mdadm raid1 but without actually using md-raid |
| 02:33.50 | SerajewelKS | and without needing it to be set up in the first place |
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| 02:36.02 | SerajewelKS | tds: okay so i do recall reading that qemu allows you to create _and atomically switch_ to an overlay so maybe that's what i'm looking for |
| 02:36.04 | tds | ah yes, just poked through the proxmox source, that ends up using drive-mirror |
| 02:36.20 | SerajewelKS | (1) create overlay of the current disk source at the new disk source |
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| 02:36.27 | SerajewelKS | (2) ask qemu to merge the current into the new |
| 02:36.30 | SerajewelKS | maybe it's that simple? |
| 02:38.07 | SerajewelKS | hmm looks like drive-mirror was designed for exactly this use case, probably better to use that instead of block-commit |
| 02:38.18 | tds | yes, i think so |
| 02:38.23 | SerajewelKS | cool stuff |
| 02:38.41 | tds | i've never tried this though, so good luck :) |
| 02:38.51 | SerajewelKS | i wonder if the new side of the mirror is allowed to be larger |
| 02:39.00 | SerajewelKS | pivot-and-grow at once? |
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| 02:42.48 | tds | when the vm is backed by an lv, you can just shove another command down the monitor socket to tell it the underlying storage has grown iirc |
| 02:43.03 | tds | so at the very least you can just do that |
| 02:43.56 | tds | block_resize |
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| 05:35.16 | Jack^ | hello. I have a folder (/data) that contains some subfolders (/data/sf1 , /data/sf2). I want to share sf1 - via smbd - to a specific user and sf2 to another one. None of the users should be able to create subfolders in /data. What permissions should /data have? if I set /data to 777 wouldn't everybody be able to create dirs? |
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| 05:39.26 | bluejaypop | hello, what would be a good kickstart to create a custom ISO with some apps already installed (I wanted to distribute a project we're working on) but using debian as OS. |
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| 05:43.22 | nkuttler | bluejaypop: project? |
| 05:44.54 | bluejaypop | nkuttler, yes a small web app but has some dependencies, so i want to install the iso with already the app and the dependencies installed. |
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| 05:46.25 | nkuttler | bluejaypop: and you have already packaged your app as debian packages? |
| 05:47.36 | bluejaypop | yes, some of them, i even created a repository for stretch but i wanted to see the options because some packages must be compiled. |
| 05:48.13 | nkuttler | compiled? |
| 05:48.22 | nkuttler | that should be part of the packaging process |
| 05:48.30 | diogenes_ | bluejaypop, i will pastebin the procedure of creating a custom iso. |
| 05:49.09 | bluejaypop | nkuttler, i am looking for the "best pratice" or "best possible clean way" |
| 05:49.15 | bluejaypop | diogenes_ thank you :) |
| 05:50.03 | diogenes_ | bluejaypop, http://dpaste.com/2PB4VCA |
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| 05:50.45 | bluejaypop | oh you're fast, thank you very much diogenes_, =) |
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| 05:51.08 | diogenes_ | you're welcome |
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| 06:10.53 | SerajewelKS | hah i just drove my server into the ground in one of the more creative ways i've seen |
| 06:11.54 | SerajewelKS | i wanted to wrap an LVM PV in an encrypted container and had enough free space in a volume within the same VG to temporarily store it. so i made a file in that container, added a loop device for it, made it a PV in the VG and was running a pvmove. |
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| 06:12.20 | SerajewelKS | along came the backup script at 2AM and it created a snapshot... and i'm pretty sure that it allocated the snapshot LV inside of the file i created |
| 06:12.34 | SerajewelKS | and the snapshot was of that LV |
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| 06:13.03 | SerajewelKS | so i'm pretty sure the system is frozen in a write loop as each attempt to allocate an extent in the snapshot is causing another write of the origin LV, which necessitates another extent to be mapped... |
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| 06:37.43 | SerajewelKS | i learned a few things |
| 06:37.47 | SerajewelKS | (1) don't do that |
| 06:38.33 | SerajewelKS | (2) don't put the temporary PV file in /tmp because when you reboot the machine it's probably going to be gone and take you a half hour to unravel the mess where you have a special pvmove LV on a PV that has been destroyed |
| 06:38.59 | SerajewelKS | but hey, i didn't lose any data |
| 06:39.25 | SerajewelKS | and i got a crash course in hand-editing LVM config dumps |
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| 06:57.23 | E-ma | are there any extra requirements when installing firewalld? |
| 06:57.41 | E-ma | because I just installed it and it throws *a lot* of errors |
| 06:57.49 | E-ma | Error: COMMAND_FAILED: '/usr/sbin/ebtables-restore --noflush' failed: |
| 06:57.57 | E-ma | ERROR: '/usr/sbin/iptables-restore -w -n' failed: iptables-restore v1.8.2 (nf_tables): |
| 06:58.00 | E-ma | line 4: RULE_REPLACE failed (No such file or directory): rule in chain INPUT |
| 06:58.01 | E-ma | etc |
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| 07:01.50 | theciaguy | E-ma: I've found it's easier to use ufw on Debian systems. |
| 07:02.17 | E-ma | I was reading that right now |
| 07:02.50 | E-ma | the error seems to be because of Debian's choice of nf_tables |
| 07:02.53 | E-ma | "Since 1.8.1 by default the nf_tables backend is used instead of the xtables backend.See NEWS.Debian: https://sources.debian.org/src/iptables/1.8.1-2/debian/NEWS/" |
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| 07:05.12 | E-ma | there: `Firewall is active and enabled on system startup` :) |
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| 07:05.57 | E-ma | wow. now *that* is simple to manage heh |
| 07:06.05 | E-ma | ufw allow port - done |
| 07:06.16 | E-ma | and I was saying that firewalld is simple |
| 07:07.01 | E-ma | theciaguy thank you very much, again |
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| 07:51.10 | melpy | is there a command to kill myself |
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| 07:54.47 | olivetre- | sudo rm -Rf / |
| 07:54.51 | asymptotically | melpy: `pkill -u $USER` |
| 07:55.38 | melpy | How do I access the user console again? I think I was born with console access disabled |
| 07:55.52 | c-c | What does that kill exactly? |
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| 08:20.20 | crazyhorse | W: The repository 'http://mirror.lzu.edu.cn stretch Release' does not have a Release file. << any idea how to fix this? |
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| 08:21.42 | crazyhorse | E: Failed to fetch http://mirror.lzu.edu.cn/dists/stretch/main/binary-mips/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 202.201.0.160 80] |
| 08:23.45 | crazyhorse | this is the contents of my stretch.list |
| 08:23.45 | crazyhorse | deb http://mirror.lzu.edu.cn stretch main contrib non-free # stretch # |
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| 08:25.13 | rnix | hi. i want to temporary disable a specific aa profile. setting complain mode won't work because deny rules are applied anyway. the profile is vm image specific, and, when enabling the profile again the corresponding process not switches back to enforce mode |
| 08:25.36 | rnix | is it possible to attach a process when enforcing an aa profile? |
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| 08:28.52 | ratrace | crazyhorse: are you sure that's the correct URL? usually there's a /debian/ or whatever directory on the domain root |
| 08:29.07 | crazyhorse | hmm nah i'm not quite sure i've tried 5 different ones |
| 08:30.05 | ratrace | crazyhorse: mirror.lzu.edu.cn/debian/ says on the debian mirrors list |
| 08:30.11 | crazyhorse | ohh ok |
| 08:30.14 | crazyhorse | trying again |
| 08:30.32 | ratrace | crazyhorse: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list ctrl-f type in lzu.edu.cn |
| 08:31.03 | crazyhorse | looks like it just worked .. thankyou |
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| 08:31.06 | ratrace | yw |
| 08:31.12 | crazyhorse | lol.. spent an hour on that |
| 08:31.16 | crazyhorse | the US ones were too slow |
| 08:31.22 | crazyhorse | so i was trying to setup the mirror |
| 08:31.31 | ratrace | funnily, that cn url doesn't work for me in EU |
| 08:31.40 | crazyhorse | nah not suprised |
| 08:31.50 | crazyhorse | basically nothing outside of china works without a vpn out |
| 08:31.54 | crazyhorse | and vice versa |
| 08:31.55 | ratrace | heh |
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| 08:32.08 | crazyhorse | not just because of the GFW, conjested links too |
| 08:32.20 | crazyhorse | also lots of foreign isps block all incoming traffic from china |
| 08:32.30 | crazyhorse | assuming its hacking attmpts |
| 08:32.39 | ratrace | that's okay, we block traffic from china on our servers too :) |
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| 09:27.31 | gidna | hello |
| 09:27.36 | gidna | where can I find iwlist? |
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| 09:30.04 | ratrace | gidna: in the wireless-tools package |
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| 09:31.18 | aias | how would you find that out from OS? in arch, you can use pkgfile to query which package contains a tool |
| 09:31.23 | gidna | ratrace, I get always: bash: iwlist: command not found |
| 09:31.42 | ratrace | aias: apt-file search iwlist (but you have to install apt-file first and follow instructions) |
| 09:31.47 | aias | `apt-get install wireless-tools` |
| 09:31.50 | ratrace | gidna: it's not in your PATH |
| 09:32.12 | ratrace | it's in /sbin/ so you need full path or add /sbin/ to your PATH, or run it as root |
| 09:32.22 | aias | cool, thanks |
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| 09:44.10 | MichaZ | Hi! I got since ~1 week the problem that when my system (Debian 10) boots I end up with a black screen instead of KDE login. Screen goes "out of sync range" and turns off. When I do strg+alt+fn-key I can switch to console and back to kde - and then it works. Anyone got an idea what might have changed/caused this? |
| 09:44.58 | MichaZ | Around that time I did one thing - I moved my system to a ssd drive. So that might be related. |
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| 09:45.51 | MichaZ | Doesn't happen every time. Thought generally happens in first boot I do in the morning. |
| 09:47.22 | MichaZ | The only message I get before that are ACPI ERRORS, but I had those since Debian 10 update and it worked before. |
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| 09:49.38 | diogenes_ | MichaZ, how you moved the system to ssd? |
| 09:50.12 | MichaZ | With gparted and then fixing grub2 ... uh, that was a few steps. |
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| 09:52.45 | diogenes_ | MichaZ, try to re-install sddm. |
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| 09:54.41 | gidna | Hello |
| 09:54.52 | MichaZ | thanks, I will try. |
| 09:54.59 | gidna | when I try to do iwlist scanning |
| 09:55.09 | gidna | I get that there are no interface supporting it.. |
| 09:55.16 | gidna | but there is one which should |
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| 09:59.43 | MichaZ | ok, at least this boot worked. Will see if it stays that way over next days :-) |
| 10:00.00 | Doxin | does wpa_supplicant log anywhere so I can see why it's not connecting to the wifi I have configured? |
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| 10:07.34 | ratrace | Doxin: how are you running it? if as one of the default systemd services, then the journal should have a lot to say about it. otherwise try running it in foreground |
| 10:08.12 | Doxin | ratrace: I'm looking at a disk image which is making this all somewhat more tricky, if I chroot into it and run journalctl it tells me there are no messages |
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| 10:08.58 | ratrace | Doxin: did you bring dev, sys and proc into the chroot? |
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| 10:10.04 | Doxin | ratrace: those folders exist, though /proc is empty. Like I said it's a disk image, it should contain anything the system would've had on disk after shutdown |
| 10:10.24 | humpled | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.29 | ratrace | Doxin: no you have to bind mount /dev, /sys and /proc from the host into the chroot |
| 10:10.36 | Doxin | ah I see |
| 10:10.47 | ratrace | but you can always run wpa_supplicant in foreground |
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| 10:11.28 | Doxin | ratrace: for various complex reasons I actually can't, let me see if I can tell journalctl a folder to use instead of the default... |
| 10:11.39 | ratrace | Doxin: what reasons? |
| 10:12.01 | Doxin | ratrace: well this device doesn't currently have a keyboard or a display (or a network connection) |
| 10:12.09 | ratrace | also, journald forwards to syslog, and i'm guessing that will be the host-side syslog |
| 10:12.33 | Doxin | ah you misunderstand, I didn't run from the chroot, I'm just using that to inspect the disk image |
| 10:12.43 | ratrace | Doxin: oh okay, then look at /var/log/syslog |
| 10:12.47 | Doxin | syslog just tells me that wpa_supplicant started successfully |
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| 10:13.07 | ratrace | Doxin: how are you running wpa_supplicant, as a systemd service? |
| 10:13.33 | ratrace | in its normal run environment, not here in the chroot (and then why are you chrooting in the first place?) |
| 10:14.09 | Doxin | ratrace: good question, I've installed the package and added some config in the interfaces file and now it just runs(tm), so whatever the default setup for it is I suppose |
| 10:14.32 | Doxin | ratrace: the chrooting was really just a quick hack to see if journalctl would spit out some logs if I did that, but alas it doesn't. |
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| 10:14.48 | ratrace | Doxin: there isn't any, that's my point. there are few service units, that you can use depending on how exactly you want to run it, but it's not started by default afaik |
| 10:15.23 | Doxin | lemme look up what I did, sec |
| 10:15.30 | ratrace | Doxin: anyway, my point being, take control of the service unit that you're using, and consider adding -d and -f to the ExecStart directive |
| 10:17.16 | Doxin | ah that might do it |
| 10:17.22 | Doxin | ratrace: thanks, I'll be trying that |
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| 10:17.54 | ratrace | Doxin: just be sure which service you're using, the templated variant or the other ones |
| 10:18.02 | Doxin | hm? |
| 10:18.18 | ratrace | Doxin: wpa_supplicant comes with several service unit files |
| 10:18.22 | Doxin | right |
| 10:19.07 | ratrace | one is dbus activated, one is a templated variant so you can use nic name in the service name, the other two I'm not sure what they do and I CBA to look up now :) |
| 10:19.59 | Doxin | well the filename is dbus-fi.w1.wpa_supplicant1.service so at a wild guess it's using the dbus variant |
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| 10:21.32 | ratrace | Doxin: well that's just the control interface for NetworkManager (and other miscreants using its dbus api). |
| 10:21.46 | Doxin | hm |
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| 10:22.02 | ratrace | Doxin: but maybe both -d and -f would work fine with it. I don't now. |
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| 10:22.26 | Doxin | ratrace: I wasn't intending to use networkmanager though |
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| 10:23.29 | Doxin | ratrace: I was told that sticking wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf in the interfaces file would work to start wpa_supplicant but I'm getting a feeling like I'm missing something here... |
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| 10:24.31 | ratrace | Doxin: sorry I'm not familiar with the wpa-roam mode |
| 10:24.38 | Doxin | hrm |
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| 10:26.02 | Doxin | ratrace: I'm essentially trying to set up the config so that the machine will boot and try to connect to a pre-defined wifi network, I really don't care much about which program is used to do so but I'm finding the documentation for this use-case rather lacking... |
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| 10:27.55 | ratrace | Doxin: well, I don't use NM or any DE that would try to use wpa_supplicant via dbus. I have a simple /etc/network/interfaces stanza for my wifi USB stick. It works automagically when I plug it in. |
| 10:28.32 | Doxin | ratrace: I haven't got any DE set up either, and your solution sounds pretty magical, but I can't figure out how to set that up |
| 10:29.11 | ratrace | :q |
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| 10:29.18 | ratrace | oops, wait, lemme pastebin mine |
| 10:30.05 | ratrace | Doxin: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/3b00281a/ |
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| 10:30.51 | Doxin | ratrace: now presumably that still needs wpa_supplicant to be started separately somehow? |
| 10:31.05 | ratrace | I don't run wifi by default, that's just my backup iface for my phone tethering, but i'm assuming this would work just fine if the iface was always present, on boot |
| 10:31.14 | Doxin | right |
| 10:31.17 | ratrace | Doxin: nope, the interfaces framework sets it up |
| 10:31.42 | ratrace | ie. none of the wpa_supplicant service units are enabled |
| 10:31.54 | Doxin | right |
| 10:32.15 | Doxin | ratrace: so that's basically how I had it set up already, aside from a stray service file starting wpa_supplicant |
| 10:32.40 | ratrace | Doxin: you can mask the services so nothing can start them even as a dependency |
| 10:32.53 | Doxin | ah neat, where/how do I do that? |
| 10:33.31 | ratrace | systemctl mask wpa_supplicant.service -- as I'm guessing that's the one that might get started automagically, as others are templates |
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| 10:34.19 | ratrace | systemctl works inside chroots, masking just creates some symlinks in /etc/ |
| 10:34.31 | Doxin | ah fancy |
| 10:35.21 | Doxin | ratrace: and presumably the psk value in that config is what I get from wpa_passphrase? |
| 10:35.37 | ratrace | no you can put in the plaintext password |
| 10:35.43 | Doxin | ah cool |
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| 10:35.57 | ratrace | just make sure then the file is only readable to root |
| 10:36.11 | Doxin | yeah obviously :P |
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| 10:44.32 | Doxin | ratrace: so before I write this image back to disk, with this setup does wpa_supplicant log anywhere? |
| 10:44.43 | Doxin | (in case it doesn't work) |
| 10:44.52 | ratrace | Doxin: should log to /var/log/syslog via the journal |
| 10:45.00 | Doxin | okay well fingers crossed then I guess |
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| 10:45.44 | ratrace | Doxin: but you could try -f and forc a logfile |
| 10:45.54 | Doxin | ratrace: where would I put that? |
| 10:45.57 | ratrace | oh wait... yeah not with this iface stanza |
| 10:46.19 | ratrace | uh, not sure, would need to look up the intrfaces manpage to see if params can be passed to wpa_supplicant that way |
| 10:46.30 | Doxin | well lemme try without first |
| 10:46.51 | ratrace | but I'm certain that with -d the debug entry ends up in the journal and (with default forwarding) to syslog |
| 10:47.04 | Doxin | right but I'm not passing it -d either am I? |
| 10:47.58 | ratrace | Doxin: connection errors are still reported iric |
| 10:47.59 | ratrace | *iirc |
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| 10:48.05 | Doxin | well fingers crossed then |
| 10:48.24 | Doxin | ratrace: give me a hot minute to rebuild this image and I'll get back to you :P |
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| 10:49.15 | ratrace | Doxin: you can alwyas use the proper wpa_supplicant service. i'm using the interfaces stanza due to hotplug. if your iface is always on and you need it from boot, then using the wpa_supplicant@.service template is an alternative for you, where you can add -d (or -dd depending how much info you need) |
| 10:49.48 | Doxin | well that'll be my next try then I suppose ;) |
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| 10:50.48 | ratrace | if you do go that route, then it's also very simple. assuming your iface name is wlan0, you need /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant-wlan0.conf and run systemctl enable wpa_supplicant@wlan0.service from that chroot |
| 10:50.52 | ratrace | Doxin: ^ |
| 10:51.14 | Doxin | is furiously taking notes |
| 10:51.52 | ratrace | wlan0 is just an example here. unless you run with net.ifnames=0 in the kernel command line, it'll probably be something else, maybe mac based like in that pastebin of mine |
| 10:52.14 | Doxin | I /do/ run with that in the kernel command line actually :P |
| 10:54.00 | ratrace | Doxin: then wlan0 it is probably. check the syslog, it's surely listed there somewhere |
| 10:54.10 | Doxin | will do |
| 10:55.16 | ratrace | I have to step out of the office, be back a bit later, good luck |
| 10:55.30 | Doxin | see ya! |
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| 11:22.22 | Doxin | ratrace: well now there's no mention at all about wpa_supplicant in the syslog |
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| 11:23.52 | jackal | Hello, I think /etc/profile is not sourced automatically, what could be the reason? |
| 11:24.23 | jackal | running bullseye, by automatically I mean upon ssh or opening terminal emulator |
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| 11:24.33 | gidna | hello |
| 11:24.43 | gidna | where can I find where a program stores its files? |
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| 11:27.11 | gidna | *How |
| 11:28.27 | w1d3m0d3 | hm, -N seems useful |
| 11:28.48 | gidna | with whereis I get only the bin.. |
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| 11:34.53 | pclover | So any ideas how to find out when a debian system was installed? |
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| 11:53.17 | ratrace | gidna: you still looking for iwlist? |
| 11:54.11 | ratrace | Doxin: perhaps just use the wpa_supplicant@ service. Do you know how to override service files? Or just copy it from /lib/systemd/system/ to /etc/systemd/system and add -dd to the ExecStart |
| 11:54.38 | Doxin | ratrace: I'm trying that right now, it's complaining that wlan0 is not a thing so i guess it's called something else :P |
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| 11:54.51 | ratrace | Doxin: also, if you grepped logs for wpa_supplicant, that might not suffice, as the kernel (module) will complain as well in case of problems |
| 11:55.05 | Doxin | ratrace: I read the entire log, nothing related in there |
| 11:55.17 | ratrace | Doxin: kern.log might have hints of iface renames |
| 11:55.34 | phogg | Doxin: iwconfig or 'iw dev' should include device names in the output |
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| 11:56.20 | Doxin | phogg: yeah, am running that now, but that involves writing a service to call it and having it log to a file and walking the sd card over to the hardware and back |
| 11:56.28 | ratrace | Doxin: also, maybe you could actually try and use wpa_supplicant from that chroot. Assuming the host kernel has all the required modules and firmware -- also, you sure you have all the firmware? |
| 11:56.34 | phogg | Doxin: to do what? |
| 11:56.53 | Doxin | phogg: to actually run anything on the relevant machine |
| 11:56.53 | ratrace | phogg: they're not troubleshooting a running system -- the running system has no keyboard/mouse interface |
| 11:57.02 | crem | Hi! I found that I still use debian 8 (jessie) on why of my computers. Is it worth trying to upgrade, or clean reinstall makes more sense? |
| 11:57.08 | Doxin | ratrace: so "ip link show" only shows up the loopback interface ._. |
| 11:57.17 | joze | clean install makes more sense |
| 11:57.19 | ratrace | Doxin: is there any network access, eth maybe, you could ssh into and do all this from the running system? |
| 11:57.33 | Doxin | ratrace: it has no wired connection, only wifi |
| 11:57.39 | Doxin | ratrace: hence this quest to get wifi working :P |
| 11:57.56 | ratrace | Doxin: USB serial? |
| 11:57.59 | ratrace | what is that, rpi? |
| 11:58.07 | Doxin | ratrace: it is |
| 11:58.20 | ratrace | surely you can use the serial port to connect to its console? |
| 11:58.32 | Doxin | ratrace: well I could if I had the right cables I imagine |
| 11:58.48 | phogg | Doxin: I'm just trying to understand what you're doing. Are you trying to discover the device name of your wireless interface in an automated fashion? |
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| 11:59.15 | ratrace | Doxin: I think that's really your best bet. It _is_ possible to set this all up blindly but requires experience and knowing where to look for and what |
| 11:59.24 | Doxin | phogg: nah, it's just that I don't have any keyboard or display on the target hardware, so I modify the disk image to run stuff on boot, its a hassle but its working so far |
| 11:59.39 | phogg | Doxin: what are you trying to find out or fix? |
| 11:59.45 | Doxin | ratrace: I do have some stuff on order, but I'm hardly going to sit here twiddling my thumbs until it arrives |
| 11:59.45 | ratrace | Doxin: any mention of missing firmware in the image's syslog? |
| 11:59.59 | Doxin | phogg: well currently it seems that the built in wlan card is not showing up at all |
| 12:00.04 | Doxin | ratrace: let me check |
| 12:00.32 | phogg | Doxin: if you get no wireless interface at all then the kernel driver is not loaded or doesn't recognize your hardware |
| 12:00.37 | ratrace | Doxin: also, tried using raspbian? it's supposed to be working out of the box for rpi's hardware |
| 12:00.43 | Doxin | phogg: yeah that's what I figure |
| 12:00.47 | phogg | mileage may vary for USB based interfaces (I don't know) |
| 12:01.08 | Doxin | ratrace: oh I'm sure I'd have it booting in minutes, I'm not on this adventure out of practical reasons but more educational reasons |
| 12:01.20 | ratrace | ah k |
| 12:01.38 | Doxin | eventually I'd like to get it doing OTA updates with these images I'm building |
| 12:01.39 | ratrace | Doxin: well, i'd start with that and then check what hardware it is, what modules it used, configs, then tried to replicate that with Debian :) |
| 12:02.19 | Doxin | ratrace: that's what I'm doing! I'm basically debootstrapping a raspbian image, but it's not really documented very well on how those images get built so it's a lot of figuring out |
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| 12:03.28 | ratrace | Doxin: there's also #raspbian here on Freenode, they might be more helpful |
| 12:03.47 | phogg | Doxin: once you've got a wireless interface here's a pro tip: start wpa_supplicant -dd to get full diagnostic information. With that you'll get a message for every little thing it tries to do. |
| 12:03.49 | Doxin | ratrace: oh you've been a great help so far |
| 12:03.58 | Doxin | phogg: that's what I was attempting to do :P |
| 12:04.05 | Doxin | I'll get there eventually |
| 12:04.21 | Doxin | currently just scouring the syslog to see why wlan is not showing up |
| 12:04.31 | ratrace | phogg: I suggested already they used the wpa_supplicant@ service template and add -dd there, but the problem is finding out the iface name and whether it's even available |
| 12:04.46 | ratrace | Doxin: grep it for "renamed from" |
| 12:05.35 | ratrace | Doxin: grep /var/log/kern.log rather than syslog |
| 12:06.01 | Doxin | ratrace: syslog contains everything kern.log does it seems, it just then also contains more stuff after that |
| 12:06.50 | ratrace | Doxin: yes but it also does a lot more so it's possible it rotated out.... however you're checking this almost immediately post boot so that's probably moot yeah |
| 12:06.53 | Doxin | sudo grep "renamed from" /var/log/kern.log doesn't return anything |
| 12:07.24 | ratrace | Doxin: what about "firmware"? use grep -i |
| 12:08.39 | Doxin | "brcmfmac mmc1:0001:1: Direct firmware load for brcm/brcmfmac43430-sdio.bin failed with error -2" seems to stick out there, there's a couple of similar complaints for regulatory.db but that seems less relevant, I could paste the log if you like |
| 12:08.54 | ratrace | Doxin: I think that hits the nail on the head |
| 12:09.15 | Doxin | well lets add firmware-brcm80211 to the image then I suppose ;) |
| 12:09.17 | ratrace | Doxin: install firmware-brcm80211 via chroot |
| 12:09.20 | ratrace | yeah :) |
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| 12:10.12 | Doxin | ratrace: its a smidge more annoying than just chrooting and apt-getting, it's in a different package repository (like all the other firmware) |
| 12:10.30 | ratrace | non-free? |
| 12:10.52 | Doxin | *very* non-free, but also not distributed by raspbian |
| 12:11.15 | ratrace | eh, try debian proper instead :) |
| 12:11.19 | ratrace | brb back in 10 |
| 12:11.29 | Doxin | debian doesn't compile for the right arch I don't think |
| 12:11.38 | Doxin | (which is the whole point of raspbian) |
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| 12:42.27 | finalbeta | Hi, after installing targetcli-fb (labo to play with), I can't enter into targetcli shell. it just tells me [Errno 2] No such file or directory "modprobe": "modprobe" |
| 12:42.40 | finalbeta | I'm missing something, but need a little help as what;) |
| 12:43.55 | finalbeta | (testing on hyper-v if it matters) |
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| 12:49.31 | Doxin | ratrace: whoo, wlan0 showed up :D |
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| 12:51.57 | phogg | Doxin: so it was the missing firmware, then? |
| 12:52.01 | Doxin | it was indeed |
| 12:52.06 | Doxin | still not connecting though |
| 12:52.25 | phogg | back to the wpa_supplicant log I guess |
| 12:53.09 | Doxin | indeed |
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| 12:59.35 | Doxin | so the syslog seems to show that wlan0 is up and connected to the network, but it's not *actually* showing up on the network, any clues on how to debug this? (I can paste the syslog or an excerpt if that helps) |
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| 13:02.11 | jackal | (re)install network-manager-gnome |
| 13:02.31 | Doxin | jackal: I haven't got x11 running, let alone gnome |
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| 13:04.47 | jackal | assumed you went thru https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse ... helped me |
| 13:05.32 | Doxin | sure, but I'm not working on an ordinary desktop system here |
| 13:06.07 | phogg | Doxin: I'd be interested in the output of ifconfig, iwconfig, and maybe a wpa_cli scan result |
| 13:06.16 | phogg | or iwlist scan if that's easier to script |
| 13:06.41 | Doxin | I can get those, it'll be a bit of a hassle, but I've got ifconfig ready for you, lemme paste that |
| 13:07.08 | phogg | I'm trying to think of anything else that can cause trouble. I assume you know how to write a correct wpa_supplicant.conf already? |
| 13:07.36 | Doxin | well I mean I've got a wpa_supplicant.conf, and syslog does mention associating with the network correctly |
| 13:07.41 | Doxin | phogg: this is ifconfig anyways: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/4c734dfc/ |
| 13:08.05 | phogg | Doxin: getting the authentication parts right can be hard. Did you copy from an existing, working location? |
| 13:08.24 | jackal | wlan0 state DOWN |
| 13:08.47 | Doxin | jackal: it's right before wpa_supplicant starts doing stuff so that makes sense somewhat |
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| 13:09.16 | Doxin | jackal: I'm getting "wlan0: CTRL-EVENT-CONNECTED - Connection to c8:0e:14:f2:18:82 completed [id=0 id_str=]" in the syslog |
| 13:09.57 | phogg | that doesn't mean a whole lot |
| 13:10.02 | Doxin | phogg: I don't have a working machine with wifi hardware, aside from the thing I'm currently tying to get to work :P |
| 13:10.07 | Doxin | phogg: I can paste the config if you like |
| 13:10.13 | phogg | Doxin: probably a good idea, yeah |
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| 13:10.51 | Doxin | phogg: I snipped out the actual ssid and password if you don't mind: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/ad4b64fa/ |
| 13:11.28 | phogg | Doxin: the ssid is not sensitive information |
| 13:11.34 | phogg | it's literally broadcast by the AP |
| 13:11.38 | Doxin | phogg: true enough |
| 13:11.58 | Doxin | phogg: it also doesn't quite seem relevant for debugging the problem and I'd rather not accidentally over-share |
| 13:12.50 | phogg | Doxin: comparing to one of my working configs the only difference I see is that I specify a proto= -- but I believe that is not required. |
| 13:12.57 | Doxin | right |
| 13:13.09 | Doxin | phogg: so, what do? |
| 13:13.18 | phogg | Doxin: it's best to be sure it's not something dumb like "quoted encrypted PSK password" (I've done that before) |
| 13:13.30 | Doxin | it's not encrypted, it's the plaintext password |
| 13:13.47 | Doxin | (it IS a quoted plaintext password but afaik that's right) |
| 13:13.55 | phogg | yeah, but you can specify it encrypted without quotes, too |
| 13:14.24 | Doxin | right, I figured keep it simple and hold the encryption for later |
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| 13:27.21 | ratrace | Doxin: you know, I forgot. the interfaces method starts dhcp as well. just using the wpa_supplicant@ service won't unless you configure it to depend on starting dhclient |
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| 13:27.44 | ratrace | Doxin: so now that wifi itself connects, maybe you don't need -d any more and can use e/n/i ? |
| 13:27.44 | Doxin | ratrace: ah that seems important ;) |
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| 13:28.01 | Doxin | ratrace: I do see dhcp stuff in the syslog, but way before wpa_supplicant does anything |
| 13:28.47 | ratrace | Doxin: better just use the e/n/i framework then |
| 13:28.54 | Doxin | the what |
| 13:29.04 | ratrace | Doxin: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:29.11 | ratrace | aka interfaces(5) |
| 13:29.25 | Doxin | but I've just managed to get this close to working :I |
| 13:29.42 | ratrace | Doxin: if you know the iface name, it's literally a two liner |
| 13:30.02 | Doxin | ratrace: it's a two-liner aside from getting all this nonsense undone :P |
| 13:30.17 | ratrace | Doxin: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e5cd125a/ |
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| 13:30.40 | Doxin | I'll give that a try in a minute |
| 13:30.45 | ratrace | Doxin: what did you do so far, used the wpa_supplicant@ service? |
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| 13:31.14 | Doxin | ratrace: yep, and explicitly disabled the dbus wpa_supplicant service |
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| 13:32.00 | ratrace | that's fine, just disable this wpa_supplicant@... service you used and enable the networking.service -- this is what's needed on Debian, not sure if raspbian does anything differently there |
| 13:32.19 | Doxin | pretty sure raspbian is fairly vanilla debian aside from recompiling packages |
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| 13:33.20 | finalbeta | my targetcli problem was solved by using su - instaid of su before starting it btw. |
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| 13:39.26 | Doxin | ratrace: it showed up on the network :D :D :D |
| 13:39.33 | Doxin | does a victory dance |
| 13:39.53 | Doxin | aaaand ssh works too |
| 13:39.56 | Doxin | awesome |
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| 13:40.52 | SerajewelKS | is there a standard way to persistently give a non-root user read/write on a block device such as a partition or LVM LV? are there any security hazards in doing so (e.g. ioctls they could abuse)? |
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| 13:41.19 | ratrace | Doxin: yay! |
| 13:41.39 | Doxin | now to re-run my build script and see if I got it all in there correctly as well ;) |
| 13:41.52 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: ACLs? |
| 13:42.09 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: or, back to square one. Why not chown the (mounted!) dir? |
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| 13:42.25 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: oh wait... you want block device... udev rules maybe? |
| 13:42.29 | SerajewelKS | ratrace: ACLs are not persistent on transient device nodes |
| 13:42.45 | SerajewelKS | hmm that's possible |
| 13:43.02 | ratrace | must be possible, udev sets perms on /dev thingies |
| 13:43.30 | SerajewelKS | the idea is to allow non-root users to run qemu-kvm VMs but allow them to use some devices as raw storage instead of using (slower) files |
| 13:43.37 | Doxin | doesn't adding a partition to fstab allow non-root users to mount it? or am I misremembering |
| 13:43.53 | SerajewelKS | Doxin: this isn't about mounting, it's about raw read/write on the block device |
| 13:43.57 | Doxin | ah |
| 13:44.02 | Doxin | well never mind then :P |
| 13:44.19 | SerajewelKS | and that only works in fstab with the user flag :) |
| 13:44.53 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: https://www.thegeekdiary.com/how-to-configure-device-file-owner-group-with-udev-rules/ |
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| 13:45.31 | SerajewelKS | cool thanks. so i'd just need to come up with a rule to match the device i want (matching on kernel device names seems prone to error). |
| 13:46.10 | SerajewelKS | the only security thing i can think of is if the user writes some kind of metadata to the device that would be probed, e.g. an LVM PV |
| 13:46.27 | SerajewelKS | but i think giving the user access to an LV would fix that since LVs aren't probed at all, AIUI |
| 13:46.32 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/185580/reference-whole-disk-dev-sda-using-uuid |
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| 13:47.17 | SerajewelKS | basically i just have to ensure that whatever the user writes there, the host isn't going to do anything with it |
| 13:48.16 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: a LV device is a block device, meaning it's available to layers that go atop of it from sector zero |
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| 13:48.46 | SerajewelKS | as in, putting a PV in an LV would get probed on the host? |
| 13:49.07 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: sorry, I don't follow |
| 13:49.39 | SerajewelKS | during boot, devices are probed for things like md-raid devices, and LVM PVs |
| 13:50.00 | SerajewelKS | if i'm not mistaken, the contents of LVs are _not_ probed |
| 13:50.26 | SerajewelKS | e.g. if you format an LV as a PV, the kernel won't automatically detect it on next boot, yes? |
| 13:50.58 | ratrace | oh I see. I don't know that much about LVM. what do you mean "format LV as a PV"? LV is a logical section of a VG which is made of one or more PVs. |
| 13:51.01 | SerajewelKS | i'm just trying to make sure that no matter what the user writes to the LV, the host system isn't going to try to do something with it |
| 13:51.28 | SerajewelKS | ratrace: sure but you can layer whatever on whatever. you can have an LV in a PV, where the PV is an LV that has another PV |
| 13:51.46 | ratrace | I'm guessing it wouldn't. It might see a filesystem there, that might appear in blkid output, but afaik it won't try to mount it without a fstab or .mount unit |
| 13:51.56 | SerajewelKS | right |
| 13:52.08 | SerajewelKS | it's not totally clear to me what types of block devices are probed for what kinds of metadata |
| 13:52.51 | SerajewelKS | for example, i know that md-raid devices are probed for LVM metadata |
| 13:52.55 | SerajewelKS | and partition tables |
| 13:53.18 | ratrace | if it's sane, I think it wouldn't try to assume anything about LVs. VG and PV are different, they have specific roles. LVs don't. |
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| 13:54.04 | SerajewelKS | sure but md-raid devices don't have "specific roles" any more than an LV does |
| 13:54.14 | SerajewelKS | i can pvcreate on either and create a VG |
| 13:54.31 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: the lvm services does the detection iirc |
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| 13:55.16 | SerajewelKS | right and there's other services that to md-raid detection |
| 13:55.17 | ratrace | if you use a LV as raw disk for a VM, at best the host might see a filesystem there, but there's no service that automounts filesystems unles you explicitly configure them to |
| 13:55.20 | SerajewelKS | do* |
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| 13:56.06 | SerajewelKS | right but i've seen cases where if i expose an md-raid device directly to a VM and it puts a partition table and LVM PV(s) on there, on reboot the host will notice the partition table and auto-activate the VG, even if it does not mount any filesystems |
| 13:56.14 | ratrace | so the host kernel might be aware there's an ext4 (for example) in that LV, and that might appear in outputs when you actively list with blkid, but filesystems are never automounted by default |
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| 13:56.44 | ratrace | or in other words, block devices with filesystems aren't modified unless explicitly so by the usre |
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| 13:57.28 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: yeah that's possible because the services for mdadm and lvm are looking for such block devices and then "activating" them for upper layers. |
| 13:57.39 | ratrace | if you're worried, you can always encrypt |
| 13:57.41 | SerajewelKS | right. however i'm trying to make sure that the guest _can't affect the host_ |
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| 13:57.58 | ratrace | but I'm fairly confident that the host won't touch a LV filesystem that belongs to a VM unless you tell it to |
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| 13:58.10 | SerajewelKS | right but it will attempt to activate the VG |
| 13:58.19 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: oh that... no, I wouldn't worry about that, unless there's a bug or vulnerability |
| 13:58.33 | ratrace | to the VM, that LV is /dev/sda or /dev/vda with virtio |
| 13:58.33 | SerajewelKS | which could be a security issue in itself, if malformed LVM metadata could exploit a bug in the host kernel |
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| 13:58.52 | ratrace | the VM won't see the metadata, it can't see beyond the confines of the LV |
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| 13:59.15 | SerajewelKS | right. then the guest writes malformed metadata to vda. on reboot, the host kernel notices the metadata and starts running code to parse it. |
| 13:59.21 | SerajewelKS | a bug there could be exploited |
| 13:59.26 | ratrace | (well, unless there's a bug and a negative sector number in the VM starts writing beyond the boundaries of LV, for example) |
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| 13:59.40 | SerajewelKS | i guess this is an advantage in favor of just using files for VM disks |
| 13:59.42 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: that is possible. Encrypt it then? |
| 14:00.17 | SerajewelKS | encryption would have to happen at the hypervisor layer, not using luks on the host (because open luks devices are also probed) |
| 14:00.18 | ratrace | You can also use files for disk images very efficiently. don't use qcow, and make sure either host or the guest is caching |
| 14:00.29 | SerajewelKS | yeah that's what i do currently |
| 14:00.42 | ratrace | (but not both) |
| 14:00.51 | SerajewelKS | ex: -drive file='swap/swap.raw',media=disk,cache=none,aio=native,if=virtio,format=raw |
| 14:01.29 | ratrace | that's exactly the setting I use. cache=none, native aio, virtio |
| 14:01.32 | ratrace | (and raw format) |
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| 14:01.55 | SerajewelKS | maybe i'll just keep doing that then |
| 14:02.26 | ratrace | cache=none effectively makes the host not cache anything and uses direct IO, leaving the caching to the VM kernel |
| 14:02.33 | SerajewelKS | right |
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| 14:03.06 | SerajewelKS | files do make the permissions issue easier as well hmm. |
| 14:03.22 | SerajewelKS | it just seems silly to create a filesystem to hold a single file that's going to be a virtual disk |
| 14:04.37 | SerajewelKS | i wonder, if qemu could specify a block offset and block count, i could just give the VM access to the disk less one block at the start and end |
| 14:05.01 | SerajewelKS | presumably that would be sufficient to prevent any metadata from being recognized |
| 14:07.37 | SerajewelKS | there must be some mechanism to disable probing on specific devices, system-wide |
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| 14:14.27 | oxek | https://www.debian.org/News/2019/20190706 says "The https method for APT is included in the apt package and does not need to be installed separately." but I still cannot use https repositories during debian installation. |
| 14:14.29 | oxek | how come? |
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| 14:15.12 | oxek | https is presented as an option during installation, but does not work. Only http works (and maybe ftp but havent tried that one) |
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| 14:20.15 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: I don't think there is. the kernel creates events which udev listens to and does according to its rules. So you'd need something like zvol that won't do that unless you explicitly configure it to |
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| 14:21.48 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: I also think (but am not 100% sure) that dm-crypt on the host side won't trigger any automatic behavior without specific udev rules that look for /dev/mapper/ names |
| 14:22.27 | SerajewelKS | ratrace: well the crypt volumes would have to be opened for the guest to access the contents |
| 14:22.40 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: "it just seems silly to create a filesystem to hold a single file" why would you do that? can't use existing (OS) fs? |
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| 14:22.57 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: yes, you can use keyfiles and script your qemu-run to first unlock the mapper |
| 14:22.57 | SerajewelKS | ratrace: consider i have a 1TB disk that i want to use exclusively for a VM |
| 14:23.11 | SerajewelKS | ratrace: unlocking the mapper will trigger probing of the unlocked device |
| 14:23.37 | ratrace | I wasn't sure if it would |
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| 14:24.11 | SerajewelKS | if it wouldn't, my system wouldn't boot because my crypt devices are PVs when unlocked :) |
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| 14:27.23 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: looks like using files is the only way, as block devices will always be probed. https://askubuntu.com/questions/352836/how-can-i-tell-linux-kernel-to-completely-ignore-a-disk-as-if-it-was-not-even-co |
| 14:27.34 | SerajewelKS | that's unfortunate |
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| 14:28.09 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: oh wait... I didn't read it top to bottom... the patch is supposedly upstreamed |
| 14:28.13 | SerajewelKS | unrelated note, i have an md-raid mirror device that i pvmove'd a 750GB LV onto and at the end, the resync status is only 468GB complete |
| 14:28.34 | SerajewelKS | surely the 750GB of writes after array creation were also mirrored? |
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| 14:28.51 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: but if the host kernel ignores a block device, then I don't see how you can use it for qemu... kinda like chicken-egg problem. Use files :) |
| 14:29.15 | SerajewelKS | right, i want the kernel to see the device but not look inside. i figured out how to do this for LVM probing but not md-raid or others. |
| 14:29.41 | tds | another one to keep in mind, grub's os-prober can trigger some of this mess |
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| 14:36.13 | SerajewelKS | ratrace: i'm fairly confident that LV's are _not_ probed for partitions |
| 14:36.37 | SerajewelKS | ratrace: i guess in the common case it won't be an issue because pretty much every guest is going to use partitions |
| 14:37.18 | SerajewelKS | writes to an md-raid1 during resync are mirrored, right? |
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| 15:05.35 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: yesm they are |
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| 15:41.40 | amosbird | hmm, sudo apt-get install fop |
| 15:41.43 | amosbird | what's package fop ? |
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| 15:44.52 | saptech | amosbird, 'apt-cache search' |
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| 16:01.36 | derPUHmann | HEY |
| 16:01.38 | derPUHmann | HELP!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 16:11.41 | mohnish | Can anyone here help me? |
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| 16:12.40 | mohnish | I haven't updated my system for a while, and I've got about 2.5 gb of updates, is there a way I can do it little by little? |
| 16:12.50 | mohnish | Or, do I have to do it all at once |
| 16:13.16 | mohnish | The problem is that I only get 2gb of data per day |
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| 16:13.39 | SerajewelKS | ratrace: hmm i wonder why the resync then said that only ~450GB was synced when i wrote 750GB to the mirror |
| 16:13.55 | SerajewelKS | derPUHmann: you're gonna have to be more specific than that |
| 16:14.08 | SerajewelKS | amosbird: also "apt-cache show fop" |
| 16:14.11 | derPUHmann | i have+ |
| 16:14.14 | derPUHmann | buy a new p0c |
| 16:14.15 | derPUHmann | PC |
| 16:14.18 | derPUHmann | E8400 with 4 GIG memory |
| 16:15.22 | SerajewelKS | mohnish: if you SIGINT (CTRL+C) the apt-get process it will stop, but the packages it has already downloaded will be cached. when you restart the upgrade next time, it will not have to redownload anything it already downloaded previously |
| 16:15.28 | SerajewelKS | derPUHmann: and what is your question |
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| 16:16.15 | mohnish | SerajewelKS: Will it be deleted once I restart my system? |
| 16:16.20 | w1d3m0d3 | no |
| 16:16.29 | SerajewelKS | mohnish: no |
| 16:16.48 | SerajewelKS | mohnish: every package you've ever installed is probably still in the cache; i don't _think_ apt ever clears it automatically |
| 16:17.03 | SerajewelKS | mohnish: look in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 16:17.07 | mohnish | SerajewelKS: what do I do to clear it? |
| 16:17.13 | SerajewelKS | mohnish: apt-get clean |
| 16:17.20 | mohnish | okay |
| 16:17.35 | mohnish | SerajewelKS: Thank You |
| 16:17.42 | SerajewelKS | np |
| 16:18.29 | SerajewelKS | mohnish: if you want it cleared on reboot you could create a systemd oneshot unit that runs apt-get clean |
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| 16:18.59 | mohnish | SerajewelKS: Can you tell me how to do that? |
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| 16:19.36 | SerajewelKS | i wonder if something like this already exists as a package |
| 16:20.11 | mohnish | SerajewelKS: But wait, if I do this I will have to redownload those packages after reboot |
| 16:20.37 | mohnish | I will do it later, once I'm finished with my upgrades |
| 16:20.40 | SerajewelKS | mohnish: right. so you wouldn't want to set that up until later. |
| 16:20.48 | SerajewelKS | mohnish: or you can set it up but not enable the unit |
| 16:21.07 | mohnish | That'd be nice |
| 16:21.13 | SerajewelKS | or you can just run apt-get clean by hand when you're done with an upgrade |
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| 16:21.35 | mohnish | SerajewelKS: Yeah, I'll just do that |
| 16:21.38 | mohnish | for now |
| 16:21.49 | SerajewelKS | FWIW i've never automated it myself |
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| 16:22.42 | mohnish | oh, okay |
| 16:22.51 | mohnish | What's FWIW? |
| 16:22.54 | jackal | on subject of apt-get clean... is there such equiv in apt? |
| 16:23.12 | w1d3m0d3 | that is in apt |
| 16:23.14 | mohnish | yeah, is there? |
| 16:23.32 | jackal | w1d3m0d3, i meant apt not apt-get |
| 16:24.01 | jackal | clean and autoclean are not listed in man apt or apt --help |
| 16:24.14 | w1d3m0d3 | think so, can't check, try it |
| 16:24.33 | mohnish | jackal: I think "sudo apt clean" works fine |
| 16:24.53 | mohnish | I tired it, did not give me any sort of error jackal |
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| 16:26.48 | jackal | cool |
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| 16:27.06 | jackal | apt(-get) doc is so poor |
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| 16:28.34 | jackal | another one: apt-get check |
| 16:28.51 | jackal | I get invalid operation when used with apt |
| 16:29.05 | mohnish | jackal: yeah me too |
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| 16:34.19 | openface | BitchX-1.2.1-410-gb9803e6+ by panasync - Linux 4.4.0-18362-Microsoft |
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| 16:38.28 | SerajewelKS | openface: why is your IRC client announcing itself in this channel? |
| 16:39.00 | openface | tell me you |
| 16:39.10 | SerajewelKS | please tell it not to do that |
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| 16:39.32 | rawtaz | try using irssi instead |
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| 16:40.11 | openface | sc not sv |
| 16:40.30 | openface | SerajewelKS: why? |
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| 16:41.33 | SerajewelKS | openface: if everyone configured their client to do that it would be noisy in here. also, nobody cares what IRC client you use. |
| 16:41.46 | openface | rawtaz irssi is nice one apt-get install irssi :) |
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| 16:42.22 | openface | cares? |
| 16:42.42 | openface | SerajewelKS: here is noisy |
| 16:43.36 | SerajewelKS | i'm trying to tell you that it's bad netiquette. if you don't care about manners, then whatever. |
| 16:44.03 | ratrace | openface: that's a quick way to get your self on people's ignore lists |
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| 16:44.23 | SerajewelKS | or quieted by an op if they notice |
| 16:44.24 | openface | ratrace then i don't know |
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| 16:44.33 | jelly | openface: we don't want it to be noisy. If it's doing that automatically, disable it please |
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| 16:45.10 | openface | jelly: this is scanning check scripts for console clients |
| 16:45.20 | jelly | keep this channel for debian tech support |
| 16:45.21 | openface | jelly: cuostom /show version not scan scahnnel |
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| 16:45.27 | hotcock | Joögfe |
| 16:45.33 | hotcock | Helpppppp |
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| 16:45.53 | openface | jelly: i have run /sv not /sc |
| 16:46.03 | openface | jelly: sv is show version |
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| 16:46.08 | openface | jelly: hothing strange |
| 16:46.15 | jelly | openface: if it's just a typo, np |
| 16:46.27 | openface | jelly : /sc scan |
| 16:46.40 | ratrace | so can we talk about the REAL elephant in the room now? "Linux 4.4.0-18362-Microsoft" |
| 16:47.02 | openface | yes i have run debian in WSL |
| 16:47.10 | openface | from Microsoft |
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| 16:48.00 | openface | it's more fine seprate debian |
| 16:48.16 | openface | separate install in drive |
| 16:48.30 | openface | this one not bad but haves many issues |
| 16:48.36 | openface | in powershell |
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| 16:49.38 | ratrace | that's not debian in any shape or form though. WSL is just "reverse WINE" for linux shells on windows. |
| 16:49.57 | lupine | WSL2 is a VM, which is much more sensible |
| 16:49.59 | lupine | WSL is junk |
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| 16:53.26 | jelly | ratrace: you do realize debian has an official release for WSL |
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| 16:54.17 | jelly | userspace is unchanged, it just uses a different, simple init. It's regular Debian. |
| 16:54.35 | warsoul | jelly, hi how are you? |
| 16:54.36 | ratrace | jelly: I do realize that's very much stretching the meaning of a linux distro though. |
| 16:54.41 | warsoul | im having an issue with grub |
| 16:54.48 | warsoul | is booting directly to linux |
| 16:55.00 | warsoul | when i turn the pc on cant see nothing just a black screen |
| 16:55.08 | ratrace | WSL is basically a (bash-like) shell and nothing more. programs built with libc built for linux kernel can run there, with some exceptions. |
| 16:55.24 | lupine | for WSL1, some stonkingly huge exceptions |
| 16:55.28 | ratrace | yah |
| 16:55.50 | jelly | ratrace: and a normal debian install runs in it. It's better than, say, old UML |
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| 16:57.29 | jelly | the fact the kernel it runs on is different does not change the rest of the distro |
| 16:58.02 | jelly | and userspace is what makes a distro, really |
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| 16:58.31 | ratrace | alright. |
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| 16:59.57 | openface | you can use all but not X |
| 17:00.03 | ratrace | it's just that to me a "linux distro" is the whole experience, from the way the kernel is configured, through base services and default configs, package management and availability, etc... |
| 17:00.03 | openface | it's not reverse wine |
| 17:00.15 | openface | it's secured bwy |
| 17:00.22 | lupine | "sockets? what're they?" |
| 17:00.34 | ratrace | openface: technically it is, if you're talking about WSL1. I don't know what 2 adds to the table but I heard something about actually running the linux kernel as a process on win |
| 17:00.59 | openface | ratrace right but powershell not bad man |
| 17:01.03 | SerajewelKS | sounds like "UML for windows" |
| 17:01.08 | warsoul | :S |
| 17:01.21 | ratrace | openface: I'll take your word for it, I never tried it myself. |
| 17:01.29 | openface | yep |
| 17:01.43 | SerajewelKS | speaking of, i haven't heard much about UML in years. i wonder if anyone still uses it. |
| 17:01.53 | openface | no better use for a hdd there terminal |
| 17:02.09 | lupine | WSL2 is literally a VM running linux |
| 17:02.22 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: given that systems written in cobol still run in (critical) places, I wouldn't be surprised :) |
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| 17:02.48 | SerajewelKS | ratrace: i mean usermodelinux, not the modeling language |
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| 17:03.10 | ratrace | SerajewelKS: yeah I know. the virtualization tech used before xen. |
| 17:03.20 | SerajewelKS | "virtualization" :) |
| 17:03.30 | ratrace | I mentioned cobol in context of its age :) |
| 17:03.36 | SerajewelKS | oh, heh |
| 17:04.31 | SerajewelKS | it's not even virtualization, it's just linux as a process |
| 17:05.49 | lupine | Along with that filesystem that was just FAT plus a text file per directory to carry extra attrs |
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| 17:42.26 | CrystalMath | i think Daniel Pocock should be the debian project leader |
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| 17:46.06 | NetTerminalGene | i want an european to become leader |
| 17:47.26 | CrystalMath | NetTerminalGene: as a european i don't see why that's important |
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| 18:11.07 | bittin | Happy 15th Birthday Ubuntu |
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| 18:49.54 | warsoul | https://termbin.com/likc |
| 18:50.05 | warsoul | is anything wrong with my grub conf? |
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| 18:57.41 | busch | I installed around 10-20 debian systems in the last two months using debian 10 and 10.1 netinst. For the first couple of installations I used the default mirror (cdn fastly), for the others ftp.de.debian.org. I have noticed some issues on ALL systems with updating packages with apt. "Wrong packet size[...] maybe a sync in progress" or something like that. If I retry, sometimes it works. Is this I known issue in the last couple weeks/months?? |
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| 19:03.03 | jaggz | anyone have a url-shortening script that uses bit.ly, goo.gl, tinyurl, or whatever.. |
| 19:03.13 | jaggz | just some commandline util for it |
| 19:04.13 | jaggz | something that doesn't need me to create some account for the purpose.. irritating.. |
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| 19:15.54 | n_1-c_k | jaggz, try https://0x0.st/ |
| 19:16.19 | jaggz | n_1-c_k, that looks scary |
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| 19:33.47 | Henry151 | hi #debian. I'm trying to run Paterva Maltego CE in debian 10, and i can't get it to work right. I've tried with all the jre 8 versions that are available through apt, and now i tried with the latest jre 8 from oracle directly, and still, i get these glitches where big chunks of the screen go white and it freezes up |
| 19:33.52 | Henry151 | https://termbin.com/9htb |
| 19:33.54 | Henry151 | this is the logs from maltego |
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| 19:34.20 | Henry151 | and this is what the screen looks like when i try to open maltego: https://i.imgur.com/JJ47tRh.png |
| 19:34.29 | Henry151 | and i can't figure out what i'm doing wrong. Anybody care to help me diagnose this? |
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| 19:58.54 | Dekkard | Been searching for buster apt keys. Anyone got an addy that i can access? |
| 19:59.26 | Akuw | i am trying to use Brother HL-1202 but after send print job to printer only see led blinking but no print |
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| 20:09.10 | jhutchins | Akuw: It can take several minutes. Can you see a printer icon in your taskbar/dock? You could check cups for printer status. |
| 20:09.15 | Akuw | finish |
| 20:09.19 | Akuw | all is working |
| 20:09.28 | Akuw | i have to download drivers from page |
| 20:09.30 | Akuw | all is working |
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| 20:43.32 | defanor_ | postgres on udd.debian.org:5452 isn't accessible now. will it be back (is it generally available nowadays)? |
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| 20:48.34 | defanor_ | oh, probably it wasn't available over internet at all |
| 20:49.41 | defanor_ | udd-mirror.debian.net is accessible, yay |
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| 22:14.34 | n0a110w | why is it that when i start "/usr/bin/firefox" the process that runs is "x-www-browser" and not " |
| 22:14.38 | n0a110w | "firefox" |
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| 22:16.24 | n0a110w | maybe its not, maybe im confused |
| 22:17.48 | n0a110w | oh i see now. nevermind. followed the symlinks, x-www-browser IS /usr/bin/firefox-esr in my case |
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| 22:18.27 | n0a110w | still i would expect the running process to be "firefox-esr" and not "x-www-browser" |
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| 22:39.11 | ratrace | n0a110w: I don't see that here (Buster). |
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| 23:19.21 | n0a110w | ratrace, really? how odd... |
| 23:20.07 | n0a110w | ratrace, it may be related to gecko web driver that I installed |
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| 23:53.02 | LaScoumoune | Hi all, what is the most generic cmd, for show if a binary existse. type, which.. what else ? |
| 23:53.10 | LaScoumoune | existe* |
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