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| 00:05.58 | LaScoumoune | oh ok i thinked it was which |
| 00:06.05 | Ede|Popede | and there also are such cases -> /usr/bin/edit: symbolic link to run-mailcap |
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| 02:19.16 | Henry151 | hey swift110 |
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| 03:41.51 | Rothgar` | Anyone here fluent with Jail environments? |
| 03:42.30 | somiaj | Rothgar`: in what sense, in linux there is no native jail |
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| 03:43.07 | Rothgar` | Well I've used the makejail package to create a jail environment but I'm having trouble getting the gcc compiler to work |
| 03:43.15 | somiaj | chroots can work, but are considered insecure. There are also other jails, restricted shells, ssh has some options, and more complicated are using something like lxc containers, or docker. |
| 03:43.56 | Rothgar` | I used jk_cp to link gcc not sure if that is the best method but when I try to compile I get the error: gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory |
| 03:44.13 | somiaj | ahh looks like this is using chroots, I'm not familar with how makejail works. |
| 03:44.25 | somiaj | Is your goal to make a chroot you can compiles software in? |
| 03:44.34 | Rothgar` | Yes |
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| 03:45.16 | somiaj | I'm not sure what makejail is doing, I personally use debootstrap for a manual chroot |
| 03:46.16 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/chroot#Basic_Installation -- there is a list of four commands to build a chroot using debootstrap |
| 03:46.54 | somiaj | once you chroot into your chroot, you can then use the system normally, do things like apt install build-essential for all the building tools, then install the extra development libaries you need to compile your software (you'll also have to put teh source inside the chroot) |
| 03:48.23 | Rothgar` | I thought Jail was more secure than a chroot environment? |
| 03:48.49 | somiaj | often when people refer to a jail, they mean the bsd jail which is |
| 03:48.59 | somiaj | linux doesn't have jails in this sense, linux has chroots |
| 03:49.17 | somiaj | the makejail package you have just makes chroots, I was just avoiding using the tool, since I don't know how to |
| 03:49.21 | somiaj | ,i makejail |
| 03:49.22 | judd | No package named 'makejail' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 03:49.55 | somiaj | also makejail is not in stretch or buster, it was in jessie, and hasn't really been updated since then, I wouldn't use that package |
| 03:50.10 | Rothgar` | Sorry jailkit is what I used |
| 03:51.45 | somiaj | I see no package called jailkit in debian. |
| 03:52.08 | Rothgar` | https://olivier.sessink.nl/jailkit/index.html#intro |
| 03:52.53 | somiaj | we don't really support third party software here, and I'm not sure what jailkit is doing. |
| 03:53.03 | somiaj | but in linux there is no native jails, chroots are there, but considered insecure. |
| 03:53.31 | somiaj | there are various other things like lxc containers or docker, these are containers that are more secure, but getting closer to a virtual machine |
| 03:53.43 | somiaj | they just share the same kernel and resources as the host. |
| 03:54.13 | somiaj | Jailkit is a set of utilities to limit user accounts to specific files using chroot() and or specific commands. -- yea this is just using chroots |
| 03:54.31 | somiaj | If someone can get root access inside the 'jail', they can break out, which is why they are considered insecure. |
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| 03:54.49 | somiaj | personally for building software, this isn't a big deal, and I would just use debootstrap + chroot for that |
| 03:56.24 | Rothgar` | Hmm ok I'll take a look at the chroot method thanks |
| 03:56.53 | somiaj | just seems jailkit is automating some stuff. |
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| 03:58.10 | Rothgar` | Yeah to be honest it was all going pretty good until gcc couldn't compile |
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| 04:01.38 | somiaj | Rothgar`: I'm unsure what the jailkit has done, maybe the issue is you don't have all the libaries installed you need to compile the code you wanted. |
| 04:01.54 | somiaj | chroots in debian are easy to create, ensuring you have all the software you need is another story |
| 04:02.20 | Rothgar` | I can't even compile a test like: echo "void main(){printf(\"hello world\n\");}" |gcc -x c - -o /tmp/hello;/tmp/hello |
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| 04:02.32 | Rothgar` | It works outside the jail but not inside |
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| 04:02.47 | somiaj | Rothgar`: what error do you get from that again? |
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| 04:03.02 | Rothgar` | gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory |
| 04:03.30 | somiaj | sounds like cc1 isn't installed, have you 'apt install build-essential' inside the chroot? |
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| 04:05.19 | Rothgar` | I did a search on cc1 and found it /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/8/cc1 which I used the jail copy to copy into the environment but it did not help |
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| 04:05.40 | Rothgar` | I cannot find anything for "execvp" |
| 04:06.05 | themill | you need all of cc1's libraries too |
| 04:06.22 | Rothgar` | You're talking about ldd, I checked those? |
| 04:07.08 | somiaj | I don't know what could be the issue, and unsure what this jailkit you have used is doing. I would just follow that simple guide I linked and create a manual chroot with debootstrap, then once inside install build-essential. |
| 04:08.09 | Rothgar` | Yeah it's a bit weird |
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| 04:20.05 | bernyrd | Is there reason ppc64 little endian is ppc64el? |
| 04:20.14 | bernyrd | is it pun? like endian, little instead of little endian? |
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| 04:22.03 | somiaj | not sure, but 'el' seems to be how debian represents little endian |
| 04:22.28 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/ports/ -- notes armel, mipsel, mips64el, ppc64el, etc |
| 04:23.47 | somiaj | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/254887/what-does-armel-stand-for -- this answer seems to suggest e for EABI and l for little-endian |
| 04:23.52 | somiaj | so it is e + l (not el) |
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| 04:24.52 | somiaj | oh wait, seems that though that sounds plausable it might not be the case, here is another answer. |
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| 04:25.16 | somiaj | "As pointed out by Kurt, el is the initials of "little-endian" read in little-endian order" -- that is probably it |
| 04:25.24 | somiaj | should have read the page more completely than just accepting the top definition |
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| 04:31.47 | c010r | hi |
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| 04:33.49 | c010r | can anybody explain to me precisely what POSIX is for further clarification? i read the wiki article first, but as a 2.5 week experience linux noob, it made my head spin in confusion. i already asked a lil bit on another channel, and they were bery helpful. but i still need more clarification. explainlikeimfive pls? |
| 04:34.05 | c010r | *very helpful |
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| 04:35.09 | somiaj | precisely requires look up the spec and reading it |
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| 04:36.02 | somiaj | An overview is POSIX is a set of standards that a that certain applications must follow to be considered complient. |
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| 04:36.38 | somiaj | This allows portability of software across oses. |
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| 04:40.50 | c010r | somiaj: so I have heard that POSIX is a standeard in how OS respond to programs' input, and/or standards in WHAT FUNCTIONALITY the OS provides to the programs running on it. does that just about sum it up? |
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| 04:42.34 | somiaj | I'm not sure on all the details of what makes software POSIX compliant. |
| 04:43.00 | somiaj | What in particular are you wanting to know about POSIX outside of its a set of standards? Are you trying to write POSIX compliant shell scripts for isntance? |
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| 04:51.50 | somiaj | c010r: speaking of standards, https://xkcd.com/927/ |
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| 04:57.56 | alexandrugoia | i try to compile pidgin 2.11.0 on debian 10 testing |
| 04:58.00 | alexandrugoia | i get to this problem |
| 04:58.03 | alexandrugoia | configure:error |
| 04:58.08 | alexandrugoia | checking for NETWORKMANAGER... no |
| 04:58.11 | alexandrugoia | NetworkManager developement headers not foun |
| 04:58.18 | alexandrugoia | please help |
| 04:59.13 | somiaj | you need to install the required -dev libaries |
| 04:59.18 | somiaj | ,v pidgin |
| 04:59.19 | judd | Package: pidgin on amd64 -- jessie: 2.11.0-0+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.11.0-0+deb8u2; stretch: 2.12.0-1; buster: 2.13.0-2+b1; bullseye: 2.13.0-2.2+b1; sid: 2.13.0-2.2+b1 |
| 04:59.31 | themill | (also Debian 10 is not 'testing') |
| 04:59.45 | somiaj | alexandrugoia: also debian 10 is not testing, but buster already has 2.13 in it, why do you want to build version 2.11? |
| 04:59.56 | somiaj | alexandrugoia: also please don't cross post |
| 05:00.40 | alexandrugoia | i want to write a Server for pidgin/yahoo protocol, as long as official Yahoo doesn't exist anymore |
| 05:01.59 | alexandrugoia | i use debian 10 testing, bullseye/sid |
| 05:02.20 | somiaj | that is not debian 10. |
| 05:02.31 | alexandrugoia | yes, is not, it is testing |
| 05:02.31 | somiaj | Debian 10 is buster, and it is stable. Testing is not a release and thus has no number. |
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| 05:02.41 | alexandrugoia | ok |
| 05:02.49 | alexandrugoia | but the problem is different |
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| 05:02.55 | alexandrugoia | checking for NETWORKMANAGER... no |
| 05:02.59 | alexandrugoia | NetworkManager developement headers not foun |
| 05:03.04 | alexandrugoia | NetworkManager developement headers not found |
| 05:03.06 | somiaj | so install them |
| 05:03.30 | alexandrugoia | can you help me here a little, please ? |
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| 05:03.56 | c010r | somiaj: well im new (very new?) to linux so perhaps it's too soon for me to be asking questions about POSIX. It's just that i KEEP seeing that term come up constantly and the curiosity got the better of me |
| 05:05.16 | somiaj | c010r: linux isn't even fully POSIX compliant, so there is that. |
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| 05:05.35 | alexandrugoia | somiaj : what command to use, please ? |
| 05:06.12 | somiaj | c010r: I wouldn't worry about the standards at this time, there are lots of them. I often see POSIX when it comes to shells and shell scripts. |
| 05:07.34 | somiaj | alexandrugoia: apt install network-manager-dev -- though you may want to read up on building software. Also I'm still unsure why you don't just use the 2.13 version in bullseye. |
| 05:08.01 | alexandrugoia | BECAUSE THE SUPPORT FOR YAHOO MESSENGER CLIENT WAS REMOVED |
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| 05:08.36 | somiaj | It was probably removed because yahoo has changed something, and using an older version may not give you support. |
| 05:08.56 | theciaguy | This is also not the channel to ask for testing support. |
| 05:09.09 | alexandrugoia | I want to write my own Yahoo Messenger Server for Unix |
| 05:10.02 | somiaj | this isn't even testing support, kinda outside of debian support. But I would start with reading the pidgin bug reports and maybe mailing list archives (if they have it) as to why yahoo support was removed, that may give you some clue where to start. |
| 05:10.41 | somiaj | you could also go check out pigdin support, see if they have any pointers on building a server/client that supports Yahoo's api. Though at some level this is all closed source and yahoo won't help. |
| 05:10.45 | alexandrugoia | i am only interested in facts |
| 05:11.00 | theciaguy | alexandrugoia: The fact is that this line of discussion is off-topic. This channel is for Debian stable support. |
| 05:11.04 | alexandrugoia | from pidgin-2.11.0, yahoo was removed from sources |
| 05:11.26 | alexandrugoia | leave me alone, cia guy, irc is for help |
| 05:11.32 | somiaj | alexandrugoia: yes, so go ask pidgin, or look at bug reports, or mailing lists to see why, this may help you a lot. |
| 05:11.52 | alexandrugoia | thank you, somiaj |
| 05:12.31 | somiaj | irc is for communication, this channel is for debian stable support. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is for debian testing/unstable support. Your question falls outside of either. Debian isn't going to support using older software, pidgin support is the best place to start. |
| 05:12.37 | theciaguy | alexandrugoia: Read and respect the channel topic. |
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| 05:13.18 | theciaguy | alexandrugoia: That you find it inconvenient is not germane to the issue. Consult the proper avenues for your line of inquiry - this channel is not among them. |
| 05:13.26 | somiaj | anyways, I'm sure there is some reason why it was removed, and that would be where I would start if wanting to build a client/server that supports yahoo's api |
| 05:14.18 | theciaguy | Most likely because the Yahoo Messenger service was discontinued over a year ago. |
| 05:14.46 | alexandrugoia | because official yahoo messenger for windows does not anymore exist |
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| 05:17.51 | c010r | somiaj: thx 4 responding |
| 05:18.09 | c010r | somiaj: yeah thats above my level right now |
| 05:18.36 | c010r | sry if im offtopic |
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| 05:50.17 | amosbird | hmm, why does deb package use amd64 while rpm x86_64? |
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| 05:56.22 | themill | amosbird: because Debian named it before Intel came up with that name |
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| 05:58.00 | diogenes_ | amosbird, my theory is for distinguishing between deb and rpm based also it's amd who introduced 64bits first hence the amd64. |
| 05:58.16 | r01_mage | Greetings |
| 05:58.16 | r01_mage | Does awk { print $LASTFIELD } or something near exist ? |
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| 06:28.56 | amosbird | themill: ok.. |
| 06:29.06 | theciaguy | diogenes_: Even AMD uses the generic x86_64 nomenclature. |
| 06:29.07 | amosbird | hmm, what's wrong with this https://la.wentropy.com/GaGh |
| 06:30.21 | theciaguy | amosbird: Are you using Debian or Arch? |
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| 06:31.17 | amosbird | theciaguy: I use both |
| 06:31.37 | theciaguy | I'm not asking what you use in general. I'm asking what system generated THAT error. |
| 06:31.50 | amosbird | theciaguy: well, neither os |
| 06:31.52 | amosbird | centos |
| 06:32.04 | amosbird | I'll ask in #linux instead |
| 06:32.39 | theciaguy | Or #centos. |
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| 06:33.18 | theciaguy | The one channel you didn't ask for help with a CentOS issue was #centos. Kinda funny. |
| 06:33.35 | diogenes_ | theciaguy, because AMD doesn't want to boast for introducing 64 bit technology, intel has to mention amd64 since they adopted the technology. |
| 06:33.39 | amosbird | heh |
| 06:34.11 | theciaguy | diogenes_: That's inaccurate. Intel has their own nomenclature for their x86_64 implementation. |
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| 06:34.35 | theciaguy | diogenes_: x86_64 is simply the neutral term. All three names are synonymous. |
| 06:34.44 | Rothgar` | somiaj: Funny, I think all my problems were due to a restricted jail shell I swore at the beginning I changed it to use bash but after I found it (Half-way into the new chroot setup) I changed the shell and the test compile worked :( |
| 06:34.55 | amosbird | theciaguy: I guess arm64 and aarch64 is similar? |
| 06:35.43 | theciaguy | amosbird: A similar case, yes. |
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| 08:40.55 | UnknownSh-t | hi jim |
| 08:41.26 | melpy | hi jim |
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| 08:47.57 | mischaf | ##news |
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| 08:54.24 | jim | UnknownSh-t, melpy, hi |
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| 10:40.34 | knob | Good morning all o/ Got a question, which I'm not sure is Debian specific... yet can't figure it out. I setup a new Debian9 machine. I am trying to record audio using python and a package they have (pyAudio). All the recordings are "silent". Yet if I use the screenrecord software 'kazam' the audio is recorded perfectly. |
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| 10:41.10 | knob | pyAudio is a "wrapper" for PortAudio. When it starts, it outputs a bunch of error/warning msgs, yet this is normal for PortAudio. |
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| 10:41.35 | knob | I was wondering if you can provide any direction with the sound ALSA and others for Debian9 ? |
| 10:41.41 | knob | Anything I could check/confirm? |
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| 11:38.11 | oxek | how can I have ca-certificates installed during debian installation? When I select https as download method during installation, it fails to verify the certificate of debian repository due to no ca-certificates installed. |
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| 11:46.09 | RoyK | oxek: that should work well. Are you sure you're not behind a rouge firewall doing something nasty? |
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| 11:49.34 | oxek | RoyK: probably no mitm here |
| 11:49.54 | oxek | I am getting this output on the Alt-F4 console |
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| 12:11.31 | RoyK | oxek: have you checked the certificate's origin? |
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| 12:12.17 | oxek | RoyK: I fixed my issue the following way: |
| 12:12.56 | oxek | during installation, I skipped the 'Configure the package manager' step, and instead did the 'select and install software' step |
| 12:13.07 | oxek | where I selected the only available standard system utilities |
| 12:13.12 | oxek | which includes ca-certificates |
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| 12:13.26 | oxek | and then I went back to the 'Configure the package manager' step |
| 12:13.31 | oxek | and https worked perfectly |
| 12:13.43 | oxek | seems like a bug in debian, but I doubt anyone would fix this one |
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| 12:14.06 | RoyK | oxek: report it, please |
| 12:14.30 | RoyK | oxek: if it's not reported, it definetely not going to be fixed |
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| 12:15.26 | oxek | RoyK: whenever I reported a bug, it was always ignored for years, so I have bad experiences with bug reporting |
| 12:15.32 | oxek | hence I go to IRC for workarounds |
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| 12:16.12 | oxek | I can tell you already what the first reply to my bug report would be: "Nobody selects https during debian installation, hence WONTFIX" |
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| 12:25.54 | RoyK | oxek: try anyway |
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| 12:30.10 | themill | oxek: out of interest, what are you trying to achieve by using https? |
| 12:30.16 | oxek | RoyK: I appreciate your help. You know I am right, I am not gonna bother reporting a bug that I know will not get fixed. It would everyones time. |
| 12:31.00 | oxek | themill: I am trying to mitigate remote code execution bugs in apt (there have been a few) by shifting the attack to https (tls) which has been looked at more and is less likely to contain RCEs now |
| 12:32.37 | oxek | for example this https://justi.cz/security/2019/01/22/apt-rce.html is fully mitigated by https repositories |
| 12:33.22 | themill | it's only mitigated if you have cert pinning; ca-certificates doesn't give you that |
| 12:34.07 | oxek | yes. the bug I had is a separate issue. |
| 12:34.23 | oxek | not having ca-certificates prevented me from using https for apt at all |
| 12:36.06 | themill | that's because it doesn't help on its own so there's little point; if the installer had the relevant cert pinning baked into it then it would |
| 12:37.11 | themill | but yeah, you can just complete the installation with the media you've got and then change your sources.list if that's what floats your boat |
| 12:38.26 | oxek | themill: I don't think I am describing the issue properly |
| 12:38.37 | oxek | you are talking about different things than I am talking about |
| 12:39.17 | oxek | I am not trying to defend about malicious actor presenting a valid (stolen) certificate that would only be mitigated by cert pinning |
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| 12:40.23 | oxek | I am talking about selecting https during debian installation resulting in error being reported in Alt-F4 console and not being able to connect to the https repo due to not being able to validate its certificate due to not having ca-certificates installed |
| 12:41.18 | themill | We are not talking about different things. My point is that it doesn't really offer you additional security so it's in the "why bother" basket. |
| 12:42.02 | oxek | it is orders of magnitude harder to steal a valid certificate for deb.debian.org than it is to mitm plaintext apt connection to deb.debian.org... |
| 12:42.07 | oxek | you know it's true |
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| 12:42.59 | oxek | RoyK: and here you can see a perfect demonstration why reporting this as a bug would result in immediate WONTFIX |
| 12:43.23 | themill | actually, a lot of work has already been done on this, but it's not as easy as you make out |
| 12:43.44 | themill | If you can be MITMd, then it's going to be by someone who has a cert in ca-certs. |
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| 12:44.14 | oxek | themill: my flatmate that wants to prank me has access to any plaintext connections from my pc |
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| 12:44.30 | oxek | he does not have valid certificates for deb.debian.org |
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| 12:45.14 | oxek | same issue with my ISP that wants to inject advertisement to any http connections (and often messing them up) |
| 12:45.29 | oxek | my ISP does not have a valid cert for deb.debian.org |
| 12:46.01 | themill | they don't need one. You keep saying "for deb.debian.org" like that's a thing |
| 12:46.01 | oxek | and he list goes on |
| 12:46.28 | themill | ca-certificates is not the answer here |
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| 12:46.43 | themill | Which is why the people working on this are not doing that. |
| 12:46.59 | wald0 | Im a bit confused about the new systemd in Buster, seems like my ACPID is not running by default? and why not? |
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| 12:47.26 | oxek | themill: I still feel you do not understand the issue I am presenting |
| 12:48.07 | oxek | the issue is that apt cannot connect to https repositories without having ca-certificates installed |
| 12:48.09 | oxek | that's all |
| 12:48.17 | themill | that is incorrect |
| 12:48.30 | oxek | well then explain why I am having this issue |
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| 12:48.57 | themill | That is only one way of distributing sets of keys. It is a crap one. |
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| 12:49.44 | oxek | oh, I get it, you have an issue with the ca-certificates package. Yeah, I would be happy with debian installer including .crt files for the debian mirrors (would not even have to be cert pins) |
| 12:50.02 | oxek | I just want the debian installer to be able to connect to https repositories |
| 12:50.10 | oxek | given that it already presents https as an option |
| 12:50.17 | oxek | but selecting that option results in errors |
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| 12:58.26 | RoyK | This is a simple dependency bug and it should be fixed quickly if you bother to report it. Saying "noone will listen anyway" simply shows your ignorance over those spending their time making this work. |
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| 12:59.34 | oxek | RoyK: it's not ignorance if I am basing it on multiple personal experiences with people who deal with debian bugreports |
| 13:00.27 | oxek | RoyK: themill would probably tell you that this would not be fixed quickly or at all |
| 13:01.57 | ratrace | oxek: but why do you care about https if your ISP is MITM-ing you anyway? |
| 13:02.11 | ratrace | also that apt bug has been fixed, no? |
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| 13:04.54 | oxek | ratrace: that particular one yes, but https would mitigate many others as long as you trust debian repositories |
| 13:05.07 | RoyK | oxek: send a bug report og stop whining, please |
| 13:05.08 | oxek | I care about https exactly because my ISP is MITM-ing me |
| 13:05.59 | ratrace | oxek: are they intercepting your https connections too? |
| 13:06.03 | themill | you'd also be trusting that apt's https method is less likely to be buggy than the http method; it has not received nearly as much testing |
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| 13:08.58 | oxek | themill: apt's https method is just a wrapper around curl or something like that, isn't it? curl's https implementation has had a lot more testing done that apt probably. |
| 13:10.19 | themill | that is not correct |
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| 13:17.21 | oxek | themill: i see dependency on libcurl3-gnutls |
| 13:17.47 | themill | not in buster |
| 13:18.29 | oxek | so it was a wrapper before |
| 13:19.18 | themill | not really; something using a pile of library calls isn't really a wrapper |
| 13:19.33 | oxek | yeah, true |
| 13:20.12 | oxek | in any case, it's not like apt has its own implementation of https from scratch |
| 13:20.14 | themill | You'll also recall that the previous problem you linked to was in the IPC between apt's own components |
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| 13:20.48 | oxek | yes |
| 13:21.21 | themill | That is not avoided by changing methods. |
| 13:22.05 | oxek | it is avoided by using a trusted debian repo, and not having a plaintext connection that could exploit vulnerabilities in apt |
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| 13:23.26 | themill | Not without cert pinning, but we've been through that loop once already. |
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| 13:24.33 | oxek | themill: your argument is similar to saying there's no reason to have https for websites because we're not using cert pinning |
| 13:24.42 | oxek | which is demonstrably incorrect |
| 13:26.44 | themill | actually, your browser does |
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| 13:28.33 | themill | I'm not saying that this isn't worthwhile, just that it's harder than you seem to think, less useful thank you seem to think, and it's a huge amount of work that is not going to be much fun for anyone to do |
| 13:29.07 | themill | There are lots of other things that are useful too... |
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| 13:29.57 | oxek | harder? it's simply including ca-certificates in d-i. less useful? Having https for apt is more useful than not having it. huge amount of work? again, it's just including ca-certificates... |
| 13:30.44 | oxek | i'm saying this is such a trivial change that would mitigate the vast majority of possible attacks happening during debian installation |
| 13:31.08 | themill | We're going around in circles. |
| 13:31.26 | oxek | yeah |
| 13:32.14 | themill | You've clearly never looked at the d-i code or know what sort of environment the installer has to operate in if you think this is going to be easy. There is no "just". |
| 13:33.30 | oxek | given that I can work around it by switching the order of two steps in debian installer, it really is just as easy |
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| 13:35.59 | jezebel | aren't packages in the official repos signed? |
| 13:36.25 | themill | oxek: I'm always happy to be proved wrong by a patch. |
| 13:36.36 | themill | jezebel: the packages are not, their hashes are. |
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| 13:37.56 | jezebel | that's what i meant |
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| 14:29.13 | tdn | Run samba on Debian 9: I have created a share on a folder that is readable and writable by a group my user is a member of. Then I have added my user as samba user using smbpasswd -a <user>. Then I try to access my share using: "$ smbclient -U you //ourmachine/you". However. I get "tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED". I have verified that I can access the actual folder locally from the shell as this |
| 14:29.19 | tdn | user. What am I missing? |
| 14:32.19 | redguy | so both the user and the share are called 'you' ? I think that shares named the same as users are reserved for home directory shares |
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| 14:32.41 | redguy | to verify if this is the case rename the sare to something else than 'you' |
| 14:32.50 | redguy | s/sare/share/ |
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| 14:56.21 | OS-59588 | Hio! |
| 14:56.57 | OS-59588 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:57.42 | OS-59588 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:58.20 | Hateful8 | test |
| 14:58.42 | n0a110w | success |
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| 15:10.32 | rudi_s | OS-59588: Maybe change your password (and use a better one in the future). |
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| 15:12.05 | ratrace | rudi_s: nah that's fake. they do that twice a month |
| 15:12.24 | tdn | redguy, actual username is different |
| 15:12.45 | tdn | redguy, I solved it now. User had to be member of samba-users group |
| 15:13.17 | rudi_s | Ah, I see. Well ... |
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| 15:17.38 | tdn | Is Wireguard available in Debian 10? |
| 15:17.57 | tdn | I am currently on Debian 9 and it does not seem to be available there. Are there any backports? |
| 15:18.15 | w1d3m0d3 | 1/27 |
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| 15:18.24 | w1d3m0d3 | whoops, didn't mean to send that |
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| 15:20.38 | ratrace | tdn: isn't that highly experimental still? |
| 15:22.40 | rudi_s | tdn: It is only in Sid because it's still considered experimental. However, you can easily use the Debian package from sid and use it on stable (Buster, 10) and I think it even works in oldstable (Stretch, 9). |
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| 15:23.06 | rudi_s | (It uses dkms which builds the kernel module.) |
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| 15:25.46 | tdn | ratrace, it probably is. Should I just go with OpenVPN? |
| 15:25.52 | tdn | rudi_s, ok. |
| 15:26.17 | tdn | Maybe I should just stay with OpenVPN and update my config according to: https://blog.mirabellette.eu/index.php?article35/a-highly-secure-openvpn-2-4-configuration-2018 |
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| 15:34.35 | rudi_s | tdn: Wireguard works just fine on Buster. |
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| 15:45.19 | bullgard4 | What does "ko" mean in the headline of the web page https://wiki.debian.org/ko/SSDOptimization ? |
| 15:46.32 | Bodiro | bullgard4: korean? |
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| 15:47.23 | bullgard4 | I think you are a troll. |
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| 15:54.57 | Bodiro | bullgard4: I think, you can't read. |
| 15:55.34 | Bodiro | bullgard4: "Translation(s): English - ÕœêµÂ어 " |
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| 16:14.24 | theciaguy | bullgard4: 'ko' is the standard locale appreviation for Korean. |
| 16:15.23 | theciaguy | Appreviation? Wow, I'm out of it this morning. |
| 16:15.25 | theciaguy | Abbreviation. |
| 16:15.56 | dvs | !.kr |
| 16:15.56 | dpkg | i heard .kr is Korea |
| 16:15.59 | dvs | ??? |
| 16:16.17 | theciaguy | That's DNS ccTLDs. |
| 16:16.56 | theciaguy | If you'll review /etc/locale.gen, you'll see two locale entries for 'ko_'. EUC-KR, and UTF-8. |
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| 16:20.51 | theciaguy | dvs: ^ |
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| 16:23.30 | dvs | theciaguy, I guess ko is the language and KR is the country. |
| 16:23.40 | theciaguy | Essentially. |
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| 16:23.55 | theciaguy | Similar to en_US -> ko_KR. |
| 16:24.33 | dvs | Then what's kok_IN??? ;-) |
| 16:25.03 | theciaguy | Konkani, India. |
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| 16:25.41 | theciaguy | One of the regional Indian languages. |
| 16:26.16 | theciaguy | grep '_IN' /etc/locale.gen |
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| 16:26.24 | dvs | how come they get a three letter abbreviation? They're so special! ;-) |
| 16:26.38 | theciaguy | Because there's that many languages. :P |
| 16:26.50 | theciaguy | It would kollide with Korean. ;) |
| 16:27.21 | sponix | How bad of an idea would it be to attempt to install zfs support from sid onto buster ? |
| 16:27.41 | theciaguy | I would estimate somewhere between 'very bad' and 'there be dragons.' |
| 16:28.26 | theciaguy | ,checkbackport zfs-dkms |
| 16:28.27 | judd | Backporting package zfs-dkms in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 10). |
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| 16:29.13 | sponix | hmm, seems just backing up and recreating my pool is the best idea |
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| 16:30.24 | sponix | Something my test VM can't tell me. Anyone know what version(s) of Nvidia binary drivers Buster supports ? |
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| 16:31.36 | sponix | theciaguy: thanks for the zfs advice |
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| 16:31.54 | asymptotically | sponix: 418.74 |
| 16:32.06 | asymptotically | you can search packages in different versions on packages.debian.org :) |
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| 16:33.17 | theciaguy | sponix: There IS a version of zfs-dkms already in buster. |
| 16:33.20 | theciaguy | ,v zfs-dkms |
| 16:33.21 | judd | Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5; stretch-backports/contrib: 0.7.12-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.7.12-2+deb10u1; stretch-backports-sloppy/contrib: 0.7.13-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports/contrib: 0.7.13-1~bpo10+1; buster-backports/contrib: 0.8.2-2~bpo10+1; bullseye/contrib: 0.8.2-2; sid/contrib: 0.8.2-2 |
| 16:33.38 | archios | hi |
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| 16:33.49 | theciaguy | ,v nvidia-driver |
| 16:33.51 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.116-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.74-1; bullseye/non-free: 430.50-1; sid/non-free: 430.50-1; experimental/non-free: 435.21-1 |
| 16:33.55 | theciaguy | sponix: ^ |
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| 16:34.58 | oxek | so I found an easier workaround for my https repository issue during debian installation: |
| 16:35.16 | oxek | simply drop to Alt-F2 console, and execute `apt-install ca-certificates` |
| 16:35.31 | oxek | before selecting the option to configure package manager |
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| 16:39.47 | sponix | theciaguy: pull in from backports to buster in my VM worked just fine. Seems I'm about ready to commit to this Host OS change. Thanks again |
| 16:40.11 | theciaguy | sponix: buster-backports is safe. From sid directly is the 'there be dragons' question. Good luck! |
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| 16:42.10 | sponix | theciaguy: I'm currently on Linux Mint 19.2 and been doing the Mint/Ubuntu thing for a long time now. Been doing more and more with Debian since 10 release though, feeling fairly confident about the switch |
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| 16:46.31 | theciaguy | I do prefer to use Debian or CentOS for most purposes, though most of my purposes are servers. Ubuntu Server is generally what I'll use for cloud workloads. |
| 16:50.57 | sponix | theciaguy: I use naked Debian 10 for my Pi-Hole DNS VM. Ubuntu Server for a friends seedbox. And currently Mint for my Host OS (lots of tasks) |
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| 17:02.30 | sponix | theciaguy: got anything running the 5.2 kernel from the backports on buster ? |
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| 17:06.28 | intruder01 | is there anything ARM-based that can withstand normal office workload? |
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| 17:07.16 | sponix | intruder01: Pi 4 |
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| 17:12.40 | Dekkard | Hey, doing a fresh install. Installer finds card, detects networks, wont connect.. any ideas |
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| 17:40.26 | debian_user_A7 | Looking for a good ePub reader that is not Calibre or Mupdf. Thanks! |
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| 17:41.27 | Unit193 | Hrm, if memory serves, atril had basic epub support, but not sure I'd say it's "good" nor if I remember correctly. |
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| 17:45.08 | debian_user_A7 | @Unit193 Thanks. I tried that and it keeps freezing up on my epubs. Thanks for the answer. MuPDF is okay, but it does not seem the have dual page mode. |
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| 17:45.39 | Unit193 | Yeah for mobile stuff, Calibre is pretty much top teir. |
| 17:47.20 | debian_user_A7 | Thanks. I thought that might be the case. |
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| 17:50.20 | Unit193 | In my opinion* |
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| 17:54.51 | dominater34 | has anyone tried fbreader, could be promising |
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| 17:58.49 | kardborren | On Debian 9.6, I want to disable the Systemd privatetmp for Apache2. According to info on the web I found, I should just set PrivateTmp=false in /etc/systemd/system/apache2.service. Is this the preferred way? And, will this change survive upgrades, or will I have to redo it again and again? |
| 17:59.22 | somiaj | kardborren: that is the prefered way, because files in /etc/ won't be overwritten on upgrades. |
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| 17:59.46 | somiaj | if you are lazy, you can just do 'systemctl -e apache2.service' and it will let you edit the service file and copy it into the right location for you using $EDITOR |
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| 18:00.47 | kardborren | somiaj: Nice, thank you. Oh, follow-up: Is there a way to globally disable privatetmp altogether? |
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| 18:02.14 | kardborren | (I haven't been able to find anything at all on the net about that.) |
| 18:02.34 | somiaj | I don't know systemd that well, there is a #systemd channel |
| 18:03.33 | kardborren | somiaj: Good idea, thanks again. :) |
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| 18:36.02 | oxek | in my sources.list I have line "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib non-free", why is there a slash (/) in 'buster/updates' instead of a dash (-) like 'buster-updates'? |
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| 18:36.17 | hk239 | any quick tips on getting a HP printer to work on debian? |
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| 18:37.25 | ayew1 | oxek: buster-updates is the security repo and buster/updates is the updates repo |
| 18:37.38 | ayew1 | although I don't know what the security repo really has in it |
| 18:38.32 | oxek | yeah the / threw me off, looking like it's out of place |
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| 18:39.49 | oxek | but I suppose http://security-cdn.debian.org/debian-security/README.security says that's the correct way of writing it |
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| 18:40.27 | diogenes_ | hk239, do you have cups and hplip installed? |
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| 18:42.37 | hk239 | apparently yes |
| 18:42.39 | kardborren | somiaj: Just reporting back, for the benefit of the channel: After a less-than-enjoyable conversation in #systemd, it would seem there is no way to globally disable the systemd feature PrivateTmp. (I was recommended patching the source.) |
| 18:42.53 | hk239 | It's probably that the USB cord is damaged and that's why it's not working for now |
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| 18:43.59 | ayew1 | also buster/updates doesn't seem to work with many mirrors, so i leave it on the default one instead of changing it to my regional one as i do with the others |
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| 18:44.18 | diogenes_ | hk239, pretty much propably, lsusb should tell you something. |
| 18:44.19 | bn_x | test |
| 18:44.40 | hk239 | it does list the printer as a device |
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| 18:45.09 | diogenes_ | hk239, what model? |
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| 18:45.21 | hk239 | MFP M28-M31, HP |
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| 18:47.20 | hk239 | new printer, old USB cord but I'm not sure |
| 18:48.49 | diogenes_ | hk239, check if it's listed here: https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/supported_devices/index |
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| 18:52.10 | hk239 | sorry actually the user manual is for models in the range MFP M28-M31, but the actual model is M28a from that range |
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| 18:53.08 | hk239 | that chart seems to say there's no driver-plugin support, I'm not sure if I understand correctly, but it seems to mean that there's a driver I have to get from somewhere |
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| 18:55.43 | diogenes_ | hk239, HP LaserJet Pro MFP M28a 3.18.4 No Full Mono Yes No USB |
| 18:56.26 | diogenes_ | ,v hplip |
| 18:56.27 | judd | Package: hplip on amd64 -- jessie: 3.14.6-1+deb8u1; stretch: 3.16.11+repack0-3; stretch-backports: 3.18.12+dfsg0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 3.18.12+dfsg0-2; bullseye: 3.19.8+dfsg0-7; sid: 3.19.8+dfsg0-7; experimental: 3.19.8+dfsg0-7+exp0 |
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| 18:57.01 | diogenes_ | you need 3.19.8. |
| 18:57.11 | hk239 | oh |
| 18:57.24 | hk239 | I got the 3.19.8 driver from HP website link to some other website |
| 18:57.31 | hk239 | but the installation says debian 10.1 is not supported |
| 18:57.44 | hk239 | and then that you can install anyway, but I thought that might not be a good idea :O |
| 18:58.22 | hk239 | also the chart says 3.18.4 is minimum, so the 3.18.12 version should be sufficient? :o |
| 18:58.36 | diogenes_ | bullseye: 3.19.8+dfsg0-7 |
| 18:58.59 | hk239 | huh? |
| 18:59.11 | diogenes_ | no clue if that will work on buster. |
| 18:59.24 | diogenes_ | might break stuff. |
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| 18:59.34 | hk239 | yeah I didn't install the driver :o |
| 19:00.22 | diogenes_ | that's not a driver that's a bundle that contains drivers. |
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| 19:03.15 | hk239 | yeah :o |
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| 19:11.51 | zodd | hk239, you can also try generic drivers |
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| 19:12.07 | zodd | bit safer |
| 19:13.23 | hk239 | how does that work? I decided to try installing the package despite the warning, although it's risky :O |
| 19:14.26 | hk239 | or bundle rather than package |
| 19:15.14 | hk239 | well that didn't work, it couldn't get all the dependencies |
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| 19:53.11 | enri | hey anyone alive? |
| 19:53.33 | at0m | !ask |
| 19:53.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:56.03 | enri | okey dokey i have problems with my hdmi port, using predator helios 300 got two gpu nvidia and intel hd, bot looks working but when i want to connect throw hdmi cable to tv its not showing anything xrandr showing only this :Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 8192 x 8192 |
| 19:56.03 | enri | eDP-1 connected primary 1920x1080+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 344mm x 193mm |
| 19:56.21 | enri | and this etc :1920x1080 60.01*+ 60.01 59.97 59.96 59.93 |
| 19:56.21 | enri | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.21 | enri | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.22 | enri | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.22 | enri | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:56.47 | enri | is seems my port disabled or something |
| 19:57.02 | enri | any one can help me to enable it? |
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| 19:58.24 | diogenes_ | !hdmi |
| 19:58.24 | dpkg | HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface) is a compact audio/video interface for transmitting uncompressed digital data. See also <radeon audio>. http://goo.gl/l4GfSb |
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| 20:13.18 | luuuciano | has someone tried ibus typing booster? I have installed it... but can not find where to change/add it at the MATE config, I saw some people does it at the Region & Language > Input Source... but I can not find anything like that... any idea? |
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| 20:24.55 | Latr_work | Good evening. I have a MSI B450 Carbon AC and ryzen 3900x with Debian Buster and kernel 5.4.0-rc1 |
| 20:25.33 | Latr_work | It comes with a IT8628E it87 chip, and while I can see it on dmesg, lm-sensors fails to detect it |
| 20:25.56 | Latr_work | Any idea on what else I could try? I am using the i87 in kernel driver |
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| 20:28.24 | towo` | Latr_work, there is no it87 in kernel driver |
| 20:28.38 | towo` | only it_87_wdt |
| 20:28.51 | towo` | which is not compatible with you chip |
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| 20:30.10 | towo` | Latr_work, i'm using github.com/bbqlinux/it87 |
| 20:31.14 | Latr_work | towo`: this is what I have |
| 20:31.18 | Latr_work | CONFIG_GPIO_IT87=m |
| 20:31.18 | Latr_work | CONFIG_SENSORS_IT87=m |
| 20:31.18 | Latr_work | CONFIG_IT8712F_WDT=m |
| 20:31.18 | Latr_work | CONFIG_IT87_WDT=m |
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| 20:31.36 | dotgoose | oof XD |
| 20:31.38 | Latr_work | ahh |
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| 20:33.05 | Latr_work | https://pastebin.com/FYZNK2Pe |
| 20:33.15 | Latr_work | that is what I have from the kernel |
| 20:33.17 | towo` | Latr_work, oh, haven't seen it's upstream now |
| 20:33.33 | dotgoose | If I register a name on here/IRC, can I change it later? |
| 20:33.37 | dotgoose | or do you only get one shot at it |
| 20:33.40 | Latr_work | so I already have it don't I? |
| 20:33.56 | zodd | dotgoose, you can link aliases to a name |
| 20:33.57 | towo` | Latr_work, have you modprobe's it87 |
| 20:34.04 | Latr_work | yess |
| 20:34.05 | dotgoose | @zodd thanks! |
| 20:34.22 | towo` | Latr_work, and sensors does not showing it? |
| 20:34.23 | zodd | check the FAQ |
| 20:34.36 | Latr_work | options it87 force_id=0x8628 |
| 20:34.38 | zodd | or wiki |
| 20:35.06 | Latr_work | towo`: no it doesn't show up in sensors I am afraid |
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| 20:36.08 | towo` | Latr_work, and it is realy showed in lsmod? |
| 20:36.51 | towo` | Latr_work, btw, i switched to zenpower since it geives better data than it87 |
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| 20:38.35 | Latr_work | towo`: https://pastebin.com/iYSpq7Rw |
| 20:38.46 | Latr_work | zenpower? I have to look it up |
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| 20:59.23 | Latr_work | towo`: is lm-sensors supposed to work with zenpower? |
| 20:59.41 | Latr_work | cause it wont detect it.. I just built zenpower and loaded it |
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| 21:07.13 | towo` | Latr_work, you don't need sensors-detect if you know the needed module |
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| 21:07.52 | Latr_work | I am not sure what do you mean with that |
| 21:08.02 | towo` | Latr_work, and yes, sensors is working well with zenpower paste.debian.net/1106426/ |
| 21:08.23 | Latr_work | doesn't show up on mine |
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| 21:08.34 | Latr_work | sensors-detect cannot detect zenpower |
| 21:08.38 | Latr_work | or anything else |
| 21:09.01 | towo` | sensors-detect never detects anything on that hardware |
| 21:09.56 | Latr_work | so how am I supposed to get the cpu temp + fan as you did ? |
| 21:10.09 | Latr_work | https://pastebin.com/ngQU5pJP |
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| 21:10.27 | Latr_work | zenpower is loaded as you can see |
| 21:11.15 | towo` | here it is working well |
| 21:11.50 | towo` | and my board is an ASUS ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING |
| 21:12.25 | Latr_work | so you didn't do anything in particular other than building and loading the zenpower driver? |
| 21:12.49 | Latr_work | I am trying to figure out whether or not I am missing any steps here |
| 21:12.53 | towo` | Latr_work, exactly |
| 21:13.01 | Latr_work | so I am screwed |
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| 21:14.32 | towo` | Latr_work, is k10temp loaded? |
| 21:14.37 | Latr_work | nope |
| 21:14.41 | Latr_work | unloaded it |
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| 21:14.47 | towo` | then i don't know |
| 21:14.59 | Latr_work | no problem man. Thanks :) |
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| 22:01.49 | linux_user | I am getting an automatic suspend message on Debian 10, yes I turned it off in the power section of the GUI. |
| 22:01.54 | linux_user | can anyone help me get rid of it? |
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| 22:02.21 | linux_user | I went to the screwdriver/wrench menu, to power, and automatic suspend is off there. |
| 22:02.35 | linux_user | yet, I still get this message after 10 minutes or so |
| 22:02.43 | linux_user | even when logged out of GNOME |
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| 22:05.34 | linux_user | nobody has ever seen this message I speak of? |
| 22:06.12 | linux_user | there's almost 1500 people here, no one has seen or heard of this message??? |
| 22:06.14 | linux_user | that is unreal! |
| 22:06.41 | theciaguy | Given that you've only been here for five minutes, some patience would be advised. |
| 22:08.30 | linux_user | fair enough...you think 20 minutes is enough time for someone to respond? |
| 22:08.38 | linux_user | or more like 2 hours is required? |
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| 22:09.46 | dvs | also, there is more than one GUI for Debian so narrowing it down to the one you're using might help. |
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| 22:20.05 | linux_user | DVS: Gnome (granted I did say 'even when logged out of GNOME'), but I will state it clearly, I am using GNOME. |
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| 22:23.49 | LtL | linux_user: not sure what you're speaking about, but try settings - notifications |
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| 22:25.29 | linux_user | I am getting an automatic suspend message on Debian 10, yes I turned it off in the power section of the GUI (GNOME is what I run as a GUI). even when logged out it says a suspend is forthcoming...I wish to disable this suspend business its running in a VM! |
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| 22:26.02 | linux_user | where are settings - notifications located? |
| 22:26.13 | LtL | in settings |
| 22:26.25 | linux_user | the wrench/screwdriver menu? |
| 22:26.30 | LtL | yes |
| 22:26.58 | linux_user | why would it give such messages if power suspend has been disabled already (and the system rebooted) in the settings menu? |
| 22:27.36 | linux_user | its got to be a system level thing, since the user disabled suspend and logged out. |
| 22:27.38 | linux_user | no? |
| 22:27.51 | LtL | i don't know but i seem to recall the same issue |
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| 22:29.05 | LtL | linux_user: you may find something in gnome-tweak-tool also |
| 22:29.06 | linux_user | I went into the notifications menu, and there is no suspend setting their to disable. sure, I could disable notifications entirely, but why? I want other notifications, just not THAT ONE. |
| 22:29.10 | linux_user | ok |
| 22:29.12 | linux_user | let me look at that |
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| 22:32.59 | linux_user | ltl: gnome-tweak didn't have dick either. |
| 22:33.01 | LtL | linux_user: you probably want to disable notifications on lock screen, thats in settings notification, my ppas are all on, but lock screen notifications are off |
| 22:33.16 | LtL | *apps |
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| 22:33.27 | linux_user | doesn't that disable all notifications on lock screen not just power? |
| 22:33.33 | linux_user | if so, that's not what I want. |
| 22:33.49 | LtL | possibly, i never get any |
| 22:34.15 | linux_user | well, that is not the solution I want...I just want these dumb suspend messages to be disabled. |
| 22:35.24 | LtL | i'm on my desktop, my laptop settings may differ. i don't get suspend messages. |
| 22:37.34 | linux_user | ok |
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