| 00:01.17 | victorqueiroz | had to be a stupid Brazilian. embarrassing all of us |
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| 00:01.22 | pixel19 | i burned everything even my tongue |
| 00:01.22 | intruder01 | I never used firejail but it doesn't seem like it would change the hierarchy in which whatever applications that runs inside stores its files |
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| 00:02.43 | intruder01 | can you not access the "jail" it creates at all? |
| 00:02.44 | erod | From my previous exp. it had a private-home configuration, which was not enabled by default (now i assume it is). My only assumption here is that when launching firefox it creates a tmp home, and stores the downloads here. I would still like to use firejail, but would like access to the downloads, obviously. |
| 00:03.16 | erod | So without disabling firejail completely, i belive it possible to disable the private home creation. |
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| 00:04.15 | erod | So without disabling firejail completely, i belive it possible to disable the private home creation. |
| 00:05.02 | intruder01 | no the firefox you launch isn't sandbox aware, the files don't get out of the chroot |
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| 00:06.26 | intruder01 | by themselves I mean |
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| 00:10.38 | pixel19 | the today code is tomorrow legacy |
| 00:11.07 | pixel19 | very estimulating.. but keep jobs on :) |
| 00:14.01 | mutante | pixel19 sounds like a bot to me |
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| 00:15.02 | pixel19 | and I must tell a fascination for javascript. build frameworks on top of that. is buid a house in sand not in rock |
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| 00:18.50 | pixel19 | but always have a byte brainniak to marry with javascript |
| 00:19.13 | raidghost | https://pastebin.com/AcY9iiEt |
| 00:19.37 | pixel19 | gonna see i am your fish |
| 00:19.49 | raidghost | Of the error with libvirt (after apt full-upgrade from debian stretch to buster) |
| 00:20.05 | raidghost | pixel19: HOW much is the fish (Scooter) |
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| 00:23.17 | pixel19 | raidghost: i keep feel funny thoghts when you say stretch |
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| 00:24.48 | ellie2_ | I have a question regarding hard drives. It's not a linux/debian specific question, be perhaps someone could advise me? |
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| 00:25.33 | pixel19 | ellie2_: dont ask to ask...ask |
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| 00:26.05 | ellie2_ | Would it be normal for a brand new hard drive to have a SMART Start_Stop_Count OTHER THAN zero? Say 11? |
| 00:26.34 | ellie2_ | A hard drive that has just been removed from the original anti-static bag. |
| 00:27.45 | pixel19 | damn is she driving a car or a HD? dont know |
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| 00:28.12 | ZaZaGX | SMART car? |
| 00:28.25 | ellie2_ | lol. S.M.A.R.T |
| 00:29.06 | mutante | maybe they test it before selling it ? |
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| 00:29.47 | ellie2_ | I was thinking that. Similar to how a brand new car can have a few miles on the odometer maybe? |
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| 00:30.55 | pixel19 | certainly the usefull time depend on number of reads and writes |
| 00:31.38 | ellie2_ | I was just curious about this as I read that it's possible to 'doctor' SMART values |
| 00:32.18 | ellie2_ | The Power_On_Hours does read 0 |
| 00:33.28 | pixel19 | the time you power on is not any more 0 |
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| 00:33.59 | ellie2_ | Yes, becuase an hour must pass before it will increment |
| 00:35.18 | pixel19 | ellie2_: what is the main concern? I am an 386 |
| 00:35.22 | ellie2_ | I was just curious if anyone had ever looked at the SMART values of a brand new drive and seen a Power_Cycle_Count other than 0? |
| 00:36.17 | ellie2_ | Background: I was looking to buy a new 10,000rpm raptor drive for my PC, but they no longer make them so I bought from ebay |
| 00:36.53 | pixel19 | ellie2_: you choosed hd than ssd |
| 00:36.58 | pixel19 | bad choice |
| 00:37.05 | ellie2_ | Everything has moved to SSDs now. It did appear to be the original WD anti-static bag. My concern was that it could be a 'reseal' with false SMART values |
| 00:37.32 | ellie2_ | Yeah, I'm sticking with HDDs for now |
| 00:37.33 | pixel19 | keep in min not how much time working but if is fast |
| 00:39.29 | ellie2_ | I use a 10,000rpm drive for my debian root directory. It's currently at about 38,000 hours |
| 00:42.53 | ellie2_ | I'm probably just being paranaoid. I worry about being scammed. |
| 00:43.28 | pixel19 | there are hardware that stand up for long but in this time backup is the really more smart than your hd |
| 00:44.44 | pixel19 | ellie2_: parnoid? my ass is in goole and google is b*ch of... |
| 00:44.55 | ellie2_ | I keep my home PC on 24/7. It rarely gets rebooted. |
| 00:46.05 | pixel19 | well dificult question.. some advice the reboot is stress to hardware.... |
| 00:46.29 | pixel19 | dont know |
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| 01:00.47 | pixel19 | for you more than 500GB of greedy is suspicious 1TB for those who disdain netflix and store a world of movies in the hd |
| 01:01.18 | pixel19 | but a large table of passwords |
| 01:01.30 | pixel19 | is b*ch |
| 01:01.59 | pixel19 | of POSSIBLE passwords |
| 01:03.02 | pixel19 | annoys me talking with the black screen |
| 01:03.44 | pixel19 | she says go to strech |
| 01:03.51 | pixel19 | come on? |
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| 01:05.01 | mason | !enter |
| 01:05.01 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 01:09.17 | pixel19 | what if you loose your own password? you have the knowlege. Do you pay to exchange the light? |
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| 01:25.29 | SerajewelKS | pixel19: i have no idea what you're talking about but it sounds very off-topic |
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| 01:29.43 | pixel19 | bonasera...bonasera... i did to you treat me so disrespectfuly? |
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| 01:34.08 | pixel19 | i couldn miss this |
| 01:34.17 | pixel19 | kidding |
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| 01:45.34 | pixel19 | Chris, was a joke, ok? |
| 01:46.48 | pixel19 | you maintain the channel preety wise... |
| 01:48.07 | pixel19 | take a break.. see y... best regards |
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| 01:57.18 | cybrNaut | torsocks lynx 'http://searxes.nmqnkngye4ct7bgss4bmv5ca3wpa55yugvxen5kz2bbq67lwy6ps54yd.onion/' <= broken in debian |
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| 02:08.24 | usrdev | what is the issue where in debian 10 it takes several seconds (~30 or so) to establish an SSH connection after a reboot has been performed? |
| 02:08.56 | jeddi | that was a /dev/random issue iirc |
| 02:09.21 | SerajewelKS | i've also seen that when systemd-logind needs to be restarted (usually because of a dbus upgrade) or if reverse DNS is enabled on the server |
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| 02:09.27 | SerajewelKS | the sshd rather |
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| 02:15.34 | usrdev | interesting... so, a service needs rebooted even though the server was just rebooted its self? |
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| 02:16.06 | usrdev | would this also, impact grabbing the needful from cloud-into too, i noticed a slight delay there... |
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| 02:17.45 | njka- | hrm |
| 02:18.22 | njka- | i am running stretch on an old thinkpad x230 but cannot seem to get the old-school pc speaker tone to work |
| 02:18.38 | njka- | i get sound when running speaker-test |
| 02:18.52 | njka- | youtube audio works |
| 02:19.28 | njka- | but if i hit tab twice, i only see my terminal flicker... no beep |
| 02:19.54 | njka- | /bin/sh: gre-: not found |
| 02:19.58 | njka- | ugh |
| 02:20.05 | njka- | pcspkr 16384 0 |
| 02:20.27 | njka- | that's output from lsmod |
| 02:20.35 | njka- | so the module looks to be loaded |
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| 02:57.47 | jeddi | usrdev some background here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20463251 |
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| 05:38.14 | ki9a | Is there any official way to get glibc 2.29 on Buster? |
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| 05:43.22 | somiaj | you don't really want to mix glibc's, what is your actual goal? |
| 05:43.31 | somiaj | ,v glibc |
| 05:43.32 | judd | No package named 'glibc' was found in amd64. |
| 05:43.36 | somiaj | ,v libc6 |
| 05:43.37 | judd | Package: libc6 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; buster: 2.28-10; bullseye: 2.29-2; sid: 2.29-2 |
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| 05:44.09 | somiaj | There is no supported way (or suggested) way to change the version of libc6 on buster, to many other things depend on it. |
| 05:45.30 | Oksana | managed somehow to upgrade libc6 from stretch's old version to stable's newer version, |
| 05:46.11 | somiaj | libc6 is actually quite backwards compadable, but it still isn't suggested. Better to rebuild the software against busters libc6. |
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| 06:03.53 | ki9a | somiaj: I'm compiling LLVM to be used from a project I have; I want it to work on recent Ubuntu and Debian |
| 06:04.13 | ki9a | so yeah; now trying to build ON buster and see it works both ways then. |
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| 06:26.52 | jim | ki9a, iirc, llvm is a -long- compile |
| 06:27.13 | ki9a | jim: Yep... I do that once every few months and hate it. |
| 06:27.41 | jim | so you know the deal... ok then :) |
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| 06:30.45 | ki9a | It's not that bad; except I compile llvm,clang,lld,lldb on Windows32, Windows64, Linux x86_64 and Darwin x86_64. |
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| 06:44.14 | Ede|Popede | i installed the sudo update yesterday and 45 minutes ago rtkit-daemon started to spam my syslog, stopped after about half an hour. interrupted by '[pulseaudio] protocol-native.c: protocol error, kicking client'. stopped after about half an hour. could this somehow be related to each other? |
| 06:45.58 | Ede|Popede | rtkit started with "Supervising 0 threads of 0 processes of 0 users." followed by "Successfully made thread 6906 of process 23825 (n/a) owned by '1000' RT at priority 5." followed by the 1st line but with '%s/0/1/g' |
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| 06:46.49 | Ede|Popede | later it switched to 'Warning: Reached burst limit for user '1000', denying request.' as substitute for the "Successfully" line |
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| 06:51.44 | Ede|Popede | hm, pulse doesn't seem related to systemd? the last of the mohicans? |
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| 06:53.50 | apollo13 | Ede|Popede: not sure how the sudo patch looked like, but I cannot imagine that having affects on anything |
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| 06:56.45 | Ede|Popede | apollo13: tbh i can't either. only i learned to expect the unexpected. side effects can be really weird. an idea about the correct method nowadays to restard pulse? i only see the system sounds channel in the input tab. |
| 06:57.43 | apollo13 | Ede|Popede: I think it's autostarted as part of your user session, so log out and in again? |
| 06:58.07 | Ede|Popede | bah, that sounds like windows |
| 06:58.27 | apollo13 | no that would be restarting :D |
| 06:58.43 | apollo13 | but try pulseaudio --check |
| 06:58.45 | jmcnaught | systemctl --user restart pulseaudio.service |
| 06:58.49 | Ede|Popede | "mircosoft® word®" detected that you have moved your mouse. windows® will restart in 15 seconds." |
| 06:59.15 | apollo13 | fwiw if pulse audio is not running |
| 06:59.21 | apollo13 | just playing something should start it |
| 06:59.51 | apollo13 | since it also has a pulseaudio.socket which might start it |
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| 07:00.08 | Ede|Popede | "Unit pulseaudio.service could not be found." <-- maybe i should have mentioned i'm still on erm... 9 was stretch? (but don't panic, i'm about to migrate, it just takes time.) |
| 07:00.29 | apollo13 | pulseaudio -D then, though that will not be exactly the same I guess as when start through login |
| 07:00.41 | Ede|Popede | apollo13: that's what i tried, when i found out about the missing sound |
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| 07:01.05 | jmcnaught | https://wiki.debian.org/PulseAudio#Restarting_the_Pulseaudio_Daemon |
| 07:01.54 | Ede|Popede | not sure about the timing, but i've looked at the pc at :41, errors started at about :46, so i think as long it worked for some time while it was throwing errors. until it decided to go on strike. |
| 07:02.48 | Ede|Popede | jmcnaught: thanks, the wiki link did it. |
| 07:04.50 | Ede|Popede | in the past i usually used /etc/init.d directly, can't remember things going wrong, maybe i simply didn't install packages with borked init scripts. but now i'm not sure any more about The Debian Way To Do It® |
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| 08:18.49 | nicdm | Hi, is there already a patch available for sudo? |
| 08:19.23 | wvdakker | yes |
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| 08:19.38 | wvdakker | apt update and apt upgrade |
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| 08:20.18 | nicdm | maybe I have to try another mirror, already tried to upgrade |
| 08:21.06 | nicdm | thanks wvdakker |
| 08:22.21 | wvdakker | nicdim: make sure you have deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib in your sources.list |
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| 08:26.49 | leftover | hello |
| 08:26.59 | leftover | HOw can I verify the status of the firewall? |
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| 08:29.17 | fireba11 | leftover: what firewall are you using? iptables/nfstables? |
| 08:29.32 | leftover | I don't know I see my connection firewalled |
| 08:29.56 | diogenes_ | leftover, tryŠapt list --installed à grep fire |
| 08:30.05 | diogenes_ | sorry |
| 08:30.13 | diogenes_ | apt list --installed | grep firw |
| 08:30.16 | diogenes_ | fire* |
| 08:30.38 | diogenes_ | horrible typing in the morning :/ |
| 08:31.38 | leftover | firefox-esr/stable,now 60.9.0esr-1~deb10u1 amd64 [installed,automatic] |
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| 08:31.54 | fireba11 | leftover: kernel features ... try iptables -L to see if there are any rules |
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| 08:49.16 | jelly | ,v firefox-esr |
| 08:49.17 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.8.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 60.8.0esr-1; jessie-security: 60.9.0esr-1~deb8u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 60.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster-proposed-updates: 60.9.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 60.9.0esr-1~deb10u1; |
| 08:49.18 | judd | sid: 68.1.0esr-1 |
| 08:49.24 | jelly | ooh, 68.1.0 |
| 08:50.45 | annadane | on that note this needs editing, i'm just not sure how much of it needs editing |
| 08:50.51 | annadane | !mozilla.debian.net |
| 08:50.51 | dpkg | For stable releases, newer versions of Firefox, Icedove and Iceape can be found at http://mozilla.debian.net/ ; you will want the "esr52" repository. For users of testing and unstable, updated packages are normally in <experimental>; only Extended Support Release (ESR) versions are suitable for release in <stable> so only those versions can be uploaded to unstable. As of v52, only the ESR version can be compiled for Jessie. |
| 08:51.02 | annadane | i'll go through it with a scalpel when i'm less lazy |
| 08:51.12 | jelly | all of it |
| 08:51.34 | jelly | solved easily by not using it :-) |
| 08:51.40 | annadane | yeeep |
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| 08:52.14 | annadane | it was referenced in !firefox which is why i wanted to change it |
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| 08:53.29 | jelly | unreference it for the time being |
| 08:53.53 | annadane | why didn't i think of that? i'm a dummy. will do |
| 08:53.55 | jelly | but who knows, pkg-mozilla team might decide to use it again |
| 08:54.10 | jelly | they don't seem to have a lot of resources tho |
| 08:54.19 | jelly | human* resources |
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| 08:57.02 | annadane | !firefox |
| 08:57.03 | dpkg | Firefox ESR (Extended Support Release) is available in all three suites as of the time of this factoid (October 2019); mainline Firefox is in Debian Unstable. From 2006-2016, Firefox in Debian was known as "Iceweasel", because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. |
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| 09:00.57 | annadane | dpkg, no, firefox is <reply> Firefox ESR (Extended Support Release) is available in all three suites as of the time of this factoid (October 2019); mainline Firefox is in Debian Unstable. Users can also download any version from Mozilla's website. From 2006-2016, Firefox in Debian was known as "Iceweasel", because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. |
| 09:00.58 | dpkg | annadane: okay |
| 09:01.13 | annadane | (yeah i know, edit factoids in personal message...) |
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| 09:04.42 | ratrace | annadane: is it wise to encourage users to download directly from mozilla? |
| 09:05.03 | annadane | if a Stable user wants another version of firefox it's the easiest way to get it, so yes? |
| 09:05.49 | annadane | it's not like it causes frankendebians, it's just a tarball |
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| 09:07.36 | ratrace | annadane: iirc there was some drama with rust and by extension llvm... |
| 09:08.08 | annadane | first i heard of it, but yeah it shouldn't affect any existing debian systems |
| 09:08.13 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 09:08.20 | annadane | it's not a dependency based thing |
| 09:08.31 | ratrace | also, firefox-esr is currently not yet bumped to 68 due to issues with non-x86 arches |
| 09:08.42 | ratrace | annadane: k, just asking :) |
| 09:08.44 | annadane | right, but that's for packages in the official repository |
| 09:09.26 | annadane | it'll still "work" if you dl it as a tar and extract it somewhere |
| 09:10.01 | ratrace | which begs a whole different question of why should 99% of users suffer. debian should really officially support only x86, and the rest on "best effort" basis. doesn't build? no package for u until it builds :) *runs* |
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| 09:11.43 | darxmurf | Still have this usb mount issue on freshly updated machines. |
| 09:12.15 | darxmurf | http://paste.debian.net/1107430/ |
| 09:12.19 | annadane | i actually don't know the official policy on this kind of stuff re: what builds vs when it becomes available. it's true esr 68 is having problems migrating, but i think it may be policy anyway to let ESR reach end of life status before replacing it |
| 09:13.00 | darxmurf | the user got this message when he tries mounting the usb key: Not authorized to perform operation |
| 09:13.08 | ratrace | annadane: which is in a few days though |
| 09:13.09 | darxmurf | works without problem from root |
| 09:13.53 | darxmurf | digging in google, I found some things about dbus but not sure about this as it was on 2011 posts :-/ |
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| 09:15.00 | ratrace | darxmurf: anything apparently related in the journal? |
| 09:15.57 | annadane | 52 -> 60 also couldn't migrate until the last second when someone backported the rust toolchain |
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| 09:16.17 | jelly | annadane: I have no idea whether it's de iure policy documented someplace, but last few switchovers Debian's always waited until the last moment to switch to next major esr release, when it got XX.2.0esr |
| 09:16.33 | annadane | yeah, i heard something about .2 as well |
| 09:17.12 | annadane | luckily when you download a tar (if firefox only came in a .deb there may be legitimate concerns) dependencies don't matter because all the libs firefox needs is included in the tar |
| 09:17.55 | annadane | for my machine i don't want to use ESR so i just use the latest |
| 09:18.02 | ratrace | annadane: there's also snapd and FF snaps. perhaps add that too in the factoid? |
| 09:18.04 | darxmurf | ratrace: dmesg or messages? |
| 09:18.26 | ratrace | darxmurf: both, but probably the latter, if there's dbus issues. journald will have both |
| 09:18.29 | annadane | a lot of packages have flatpaks/snaps, i don't want to do that for every factoid |
| 09:18.50 | annadane | i think most users using flatpak/snapd will already be aware of them |
| 09:18.58 | ratrace | I suppose. |
| 09:19.06 | annadane | and in ff's case they're not intrinsically better on any technical merit |
| 09:19.25 | annadane | unless you need mass deployment in a network i guess |
| 09:19.30 | ratrace | true, especially if the offical tarball is installable just like that with no deps needed |
| 09:20.13 | ratrace | however, chromium.... 'buntu is switching to snap only due to difficulties building and supporting chromium on anythign but latest releases. I wonder what will happen to it in debian. |
| 09:21.25 | darxmurf | ratrace: I got this eventually org.gtk.vfs.Daemon[18787]: A connection to the bus can't be made |
| 09:21.28 | darxmurf | Error getting user list from org.freedesktop.Accounts: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.Accounts was not provided by any .service files |
| 09:22.12 | ratrace | darxmurf: that sounds very much related, gtk.vfs and issues with thunar. however, I don't know what to suggest to troubleshoot this further. |
| 09:22.18 | annadane | i think in older firefoxes it wouldn't necessarily autoupdate - it's been an option for a while now though - but i think for a while now it can |
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| 09:23.18 | ratrace | as convenient as it sounds, I'd never allow it to do that. |
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| 09:32.54 | ashwini_ | please suggest me some good documentation for LUKS. |
| 09:35.07 | ratrace | ashwini_: the cryptsetup manpage and the official wikis https://gitlab.com/cryptsetup/cryptsetup/wikis/home |
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| 11:43.13 | hogren | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.53 | hogren | since several minutes, can't make a "apt update" on an fresh buster docker container |
| 11:44.14 | hogren | The repository 'http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates InRelease' is not signed |
| 11:44.25 | hogren | Anybody else have the same message ? |
| 11:45.17 | jelly | hogren: Works For Me⢠|
| 11:46.32 | hogren | jelly: on a docker ? |
| 11:46.34 | jelly | hogren: verify that you have debian-archive-keyring package installed, that's a recent version, and that it is not missing files (use debsums) |
| 11:46.46 | jelly | hogren: no, but I don't see how that's relevant |
| 11:48.01 | hogren | jelly: yes I have it |
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| 11:48.55 | hogren | it worked three hours ago |
| 11:49.27 | hogren | I made a pull for the latest docker image of debian and I tested it |
| 11:49.45 | hogren | And now⦠there is this problem |
| 11:49.52 | jelly | hogren: did you verify these: > that's a recent version, and that it is not missing files (use debsums) |
| 11:51.37 | hogren | jelly: how to do this ? |
| 11:53.45 | hogren | I remove and pull it again |
| 11:54.16 | hogren | allways the error⦠|
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| 11:56.27 | hogren | I saw it : https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/c0zfd4/debian_buster_update_error_busterupdates/ |
| 11:56.43 | hogren | I will wait ^^ |
| 11:57.21 | themill | hogren: can you run "wget http://security-cdn.debian.org/debian-security/dists/buster/updates/InRelease" and pastebin the file? |
| 11:58.05 | themill | and/or paste the full output |
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| 12:00.36 | hogren | themill: no, there is'nt wget on the docker image |
| 12:00.56 | hogren | themill: I need to apt get install it :) |
| 12:00.57 | themill | «/usr/lib/apt/apt-helper download-file http://security-cdn.debian.org/debian-security/dists/buster/updates/InRelease InRelease» then |
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| 12:03.53 | hogren | uh ?? good tool ! |
| 12:04.26 | hogren | pastebin ? |
| 12:04.34 | themill | paste.debian.net |
| 12:05.13 | darxmurf | about my USB mount issue, I sould not need a polkit rule isn't it ? As it's working as expected on other XFCE machines without this rule. |
| 12:06.12 | hogren | https://paste.debian.net/1107447/ |
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| 12:10.01 | jelly | wget -O- https://paste.debian.net/plain/1107447|gpg - # says the signature is fine |
| 12:10.25 | jelly | (after adding keys from apt-key to my own public ring) |
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| 12:12.41 | jelly | hogren: dpkg -l debian-archive-keyring; ls -ld /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-buster-security-automatic.gpg |
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| 12:13.22 | jelly | that file is signed with both debian 9 and debian 10 keys for security.debian.org, any of those ought to be enough for the verification to work |
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| 12:15.43 | hogren | looolllll |
| 12:15.54 | hogren | jelly: space disk problem ! |
| 12:16.05 | hogren | jelly: thanks for help ! |
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| 12:18.46 | jelly | !win hogren |
| 12:18.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, hogren! You have won the US presidency! |
| 12:19.20 | hogren | Shame on me |
| 12:19.22 | jelly | $DEITY knows you can't do a worse job than the current one |
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| 12:20.58 | jomofcw | Hello ! |
| 12:22.36 | jomofcw | I've got a directory that I chown on "userA:www-data". How can I ensure that, when userA create a file/directory in it, it takes the same "chown" ? Curently they are owned as "userA:userA". |
| 12:23.00 | jcrypt | jomofcw: That's called the sgid bit. |
| 12:23.41 | jcrypt | jomofcw: You should be able to apply that to the parent directory via 'chmod g+s /dir' |
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| 12:27.13 | hcht | æ说ä¸æçåï¼ |
| 12:27.27 | darxmurf | nop |
| 12:28.27 | jomofcw | Hello jcrypt ! OK, i give it a try ! |
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| 12:32.01 | jcrypt | jomofcw: Basically, the sgid bit ensures that any new files or directories created under the parent retain the group ownership of the parent, which is what you said you wanted. |
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| 12:35.28 | darxmurf | ,v libssl1.0.2 |
| 12:35.29 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.2 on amd64 -- stretch: 1.0.2s-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.0.2t-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.0.2t-1~deb9u1 |
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| 12:38.44 | tsglove | BCMM, ping. You suggested last week I use tigervnc. I wanted to thank you... worked awesomely in my Debian installations!! |
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| 12:52.34 | no_gravity | What is the best way to run a command 10 times in parallel? |
| 12:52.58 | no_gravity | I don't need to pass any parameters or anything. Just run the same thing in 10 threads. |
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| 12:54.26 | jelly | no_gravity: best? possibly simplest: for i in {1..10}; do your command here & done |
| 12:54.51 | jcrypt | If you try to do it in a one-liner, it will break. |
| 12:54.53 | no_gravity | jelly: Wouldn't that run it one after the other? |
| 12:54.54 | themill | parallel(1) is also a thing |
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| 12:55.06 | jcrypt | no_gravity: No. The & backgrounds the task. |
| 12:55.16 | jcrypt | for i in {1..10}; do |
| 12:55.18 | jcrypt | thing & |
| 12:55.20 | jcrypt | done |
| 12:55.31 | jelly | no_gravity: & makes the process a shell job in background |
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| 12:55.38 | no_gravity | Ah! |
| 12:55.40 | no_gravity | Nice. |
| 12:55.40 | jcrypt | You can test 'thing' with 'sleep 5', and you'll see 10 pids spawned. |
| 12:55.43 | no_gravity | Any shorter way to write it? |
| 12:55.46 | no_gravity | I need to stop the time until the last one finishes. |
| 12:55.59 | jelly | no_gravity: for i in {1..10}; do your command here & done; wait |
| 12:56.17 | no_gravity | jelly: Can I put "time" in front of that? |
| 12:56.34 | themill | jcrypt: there's no need to break that into multiple lines |
| 12:56.34 | jcrypt | Oh, the & ends the block. That's why my syntax broke. |
| 12:56.36 | jcrypt | jelly: Thank you. |
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| 12:56.53 | jcrypt | themill: I had a semicolon after the &, which apparently was a syntax error. |
| 12:56.57 | jelly | no_gravity: that depends on the shell. time ( for i in {1..10}; do your command here & done ) would work |
| 12:57.03 | jcrypt | I didn't realize that the & would end the statement correctly. |
| 12:57.20 | jomofcw | jcrypt thanks for your help ! it seems to works ^^. But now, when a file/directory is created from the "web interface" (so by apache/php) it has the own "www-data:www-data". No way to own them as "userA:www", please ? |
| 12:57.22 | jcrypt | Today I learned. |
| 12:57.46 | jcrypt | jomofcw: There's an analogous suid bit. |
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| 12:57.55 | jcrypt | jomofcw: chmod u+s /the/dir |
| 12:58.37 | no_gravity | jelly: That gives me a Syntax error: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `mycommand' |
| 12:58.38 | jomofcw | jcrypt OK thanks !... I may follow some leson about it :/... |
| 12:58.54 | jelly | no_gravity: what's the exact command line you did? |
| 12:58.59 | no_gravity | Strange that it starts the quote with ` and ends it with '. |
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| 12:59.16 | no_gravity | jelly: time ( for i in {1..3}; mycommand & done ) |
| 12:59.28 | themill | no_gravity: missing "do" |
| 12:59.34 | no_gravity | jelly: Where mycommand is an alias for a longer thing. |
| 12:59.37 | jelly | no_gravity: "do" is part of syntax, sorry |
| 12:59.38 | no_gravity | themill: Ah! |
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| 12:59.58 | jelly | time ( for i in {1..10}; do sleep 10 & done; wait ) |
| 13:01.04 | no_gravity | Pretty awesome! Thanks! |
| 13:01.23 | jcrypt | jomofcw: man chmod I think has all the details on how that works. |
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| 13:02.35 | BCMM | themill: glad to hear it! |
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| 13:04.16 | jelly | you can write it shorter by one character! |
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| 13:04.48 | jelly | time ( for i in {0..9}; do sleep 10 & done; wait ) |
| 13:04.51 | jelly | hides |
| 13:05.05 | jcrypt | Code golf! |
| 13:05.25 | BCMM | jelly, why is your version full of useless whitespace? ;) |
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| 13:06.21 | victorqueiroz | My ThinkPad L380 Yoga touchpad it's just not working right even with libinput. Can somebody shed me some light? |
| 13:07.03 | victorqueiroz | For example, right click on bottom area does not work |
| 13:07.42 | jelly | BCMM: to make it readable. |
| 13:08.02 | jelly | BCMM: here, have this instead: time perl -e 'system "sleep 10 & "x10 ."wait"' |
| 13:10.03 | no_gravity | One thing that totally surprises me is that when I run my integration tests, they do not get faster the second time I run them. Shouldn't various caches kick in and make them faster? |
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| 13:12.02 | BCMM | no_gravity: is IO a significant factor in the speed of the integration test? does the test itself do enough IO or use enough RAM to empty the cache? |
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| 13:12.50 | no_gravity | BCMM: The test itself will not use much RAM, so it will not empty the cache. |
| 13:12.59 | BCMM | oh, and were the files needed for the integration test perhaps *already* in cache, e.g. because they have recently been created by a build process? |
| 13:13.08 | no_gravity | If IO is a significant facter ... I don't know. I would have thought so. |
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| 13:13.22 | no_gravity | BCMM: No, I rebooted before the first test. |
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| 13:28.05 | netcrash | ? |
| 13:28.43 | zodd_ | mark? |
| 13:29.44 | jelly | netcrash: probably a good question for #Netfilter |
| 13:30.17 | zodd_ | if mean tagging in logs consider logstash or riemann |
| 13:30.22 | zodd_ | *if you |
| 13:30.32 | netcrash | jelly: thank you |
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| 13:48.59 | victorqueiroz | Apparently click and drag feature stops working when I enable twofinger scroll, WTH: |
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| 14:05.54 | versedi | hello everyone, i'm having a weird issue while trying to install chrome from buster (stable). on the packages page I can see it's at 76.0.3809.100-1~deb10u1 but my apt keeps installing 73.0.3683.75-1 . I've made sure my sources.list dont have old entries from stretch, there's only buster there. Did I somehow made frankendebian while upgrading stretch -> buster? |
| 14:06.07 | versedi | chromium not chrome* |
| 14:06.42 | Haohmaru | versedi did you run "apt-get update" before that? |
| 14:06.49 | versedi | yes. |
| 14:07.11 | Haohmaru | ,v chrome |
| 14:07.12 | judd | No package named 'chrome' was found in amd64. |
| 14:07.18 | Haohmaru | meh |
| 14:07.26 | versedi | @judd I meant chromium, sorry. |
| 14:07.35 | Haohmaru | ,v chromium |
| 14:07.36 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; buster: 73.0.3683.75-1; buster-security: 76.0.3809.100-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 76.0.3809.100-1; sid: 76.0.3809.100-1 |
| 14:08.16 | Haohmaru | well, smells like the one you want is not in "buster" but in "buster-security" |
| 14:08.24 | Haohmaru | do you have that in your sources.list? |
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| 14:09.04 | versedi | definitely. brb gotta read what the -security list means and if it's safe to add it. there's probably a lot info on that so i'm not gonna waste your time :) |
| 14:09.24 | Haohmaru | it's "safe" to add it |
| 14:09.44 | Haohmaru | it's just yet another source for packages |
| 14:09.48 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 14:09.48 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 14:09.50 | jelly | versedi: & |
| 14:09.59 | jelly | versedi: ^ show all the info |
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| 14:10.32 | Haohmaru | jelly i think he just doesn't have buster-security in his sources.list.. *shrug* |
| 14:10.45 | jelly | yes |
| 14:10.49 | versedi | @haohmaru thats definitely that case, but how they didnt get added while upgrading |
| 14:10.54 | jelly | and !bat will show that. |
| 14:11.05 | Haohmaru | !bat? |
| 14:11.06 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 14:11.14 | Haohmaru | eek, sorry |
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| 14:11.31 | jelly | info asked for in "!basic apt troubleshooting" / "!bat" factoid |
| 14:11.50 | jelly | !buster sources.list |
| 14:11.50 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 14:12.51 | jelly | versedi: if correcting sources.list fixes the availability of correct package version, no need to send all the other stuff |
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| 14:13.04 | versedi | yea that was it, added the security list according to the docs and it's installing the proper package now. Quick questions though: Are security lists in sources just after installing Debian? Should they be present in there after upgrading or they need to be added manually after upgrade? Thank you very much for help guys, you are awesome. |
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| 14:13.28 | jelly | versedi: those should be present after installation, yes |
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| 14:13.54 | versedi | All right, so it's my fault, probably removed that while upgrading. Thanks again! |
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| 14:26.44 | victorqueiroz | I've created a post on Reddit explaining my problem with some depth, can someone take a look? https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/diq1ba/thinkpad_l380_yoga_touchpad_not_working_properly/ |
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| 14:30.56 | zodd_ | victorqueiroz, sure your are running x11 and not wayland? |
| 14:31.05 | victorqueiroz | zodd_: That's right |
| 14:31.19 | CrystalMath | it's still not possible to use wayland with window managers |
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| 14:31.27 | victorqueiroz | zodd_: I actually can't run Wayland because I need to run Hubstaff (it's a program from work) |
| 14:31.34 | zodd_ | also: hw drivers is mostly more a kernel issue than a distro thingy |
| 14:32.08 | victorqueiroz | zodd_: My experience building kernel from source are awful, it always break my system somehow :( |
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| 14:32.41 | zodd_ | hmm. recently I ran teamviewer from buster/gnome and it specified I could take over desktops, but could not allow to be taken over as I was running wayland |
| 14:33.35 | zodd_ | victorqueiroz, back in the 386/486 days it was more or less mandatory, nowadays stockkernels mostly are ok, or can be adjusted with dkms |
| 14:33.35 | victorqueiroz | zodd_: Yes. Hubstaff is basically a software that tracks my activity based on mouse and keyboard and also take several screenshots of all my monitors from time to time. |
| 14:34.03 | greycat | O_o |
| 14:34.34 | victorqueiroz | It's a mandatory work thing, so I don't have the option to not use it hahaha :( |
| 14:34.44 | greycat | this is ... legal in your country?! |
| 14:34.47 | zodd_ | interesting. Chances are that software is illegal in some countries with stricter privacy regulations |
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| 14:35.21 | victorqueiroz | greycat: I'm not sure. I live in Brazil and I work remotely for a company so although it's quite invasive tool, it's a nice way to work |
| 14:35.27 | no_gravity | Hello! Do you guys know how to install sysbench in Debian? |
| 14:35.33 | zodd_ | victorqueiroz, maybe you need to install some firmware to get it all running |
| 14:35.57 | victorqueiroz | greycat: But that's a interesting question, I never thought of that. And I'm working like this for 3 years now |
| 14:36.30 | greycat | Europe generally has the strictest privacy laws, I think. I don't know about Brazil. |
| 14:37.57 | victorqueiroz | zodd_: hmm. apparently firmware-linux, firmware-linux-nonfree and firmware-linux-free are all installed |
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| 14:38.52 | zodd_ | victorqueiroz, I know there is an extensive Linux/Thinkpad wiki with lots of info. Everything I wanted to be working on my thinkpad ended up working with Debian |
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| 14:39.53 | zodd_ | but it highly depends on the model iirc synaptic uses various chipsets but does not release info so it all has to be reverse engineered |
| 14:40.06 | zodd_ | but if it was working under Arch it should be doable |
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| 14:42.15 | mason | Hubstaff kind of reminds me of THX-1138. Seems that it's a US-based company: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubstaff Evidently it's used to control US government contractors by design. |
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| 14:42.58 | jak2000 | hi all |
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| 14:43.11 | jak2000 | how to remove Desktop? i only use console |
| 14:43.47 | mason | jak2000: Remove the desktop packages that are installed. What desktop have you got? |
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| 14:45.18 | jak2000 | checking this: aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim |
| 14:45.25 | jak2000 | mason check wich desktop |
| 14:45.35 | mason | jak2000: dpkg -l | grep desktop might make it easier |
| 14:46.14 | mason | There might be a desktop metapackage that will make it easier to remove all the unused bits. |
| 14:46.23 | victorqueiroz | mason: Yes. What I find more repulsive about this software is how they suggest you to analyze your employee based on his activity -> https://support.hubstaff.com/hubstaff-showing-50-activity-max/. If you get the idea of how difficult it is to reach 75%, you'd understand better. |
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| 14:46.47 | mason | Ugh. |
| 14:47.01 | darxmurf | okay, my usb mount problem occurs right after upgrading to buster Oo |
| 14:47.09 | victorqueiroz | zodd_: ok, thanks. will take a look at that for sure |
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| 14:49.25 | zodd_ | victorqueiroz, https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki |
| 14:49.53 | victorqueiroz | How exactly can I get all available options for adding to a .conf file using libinput? |
| 14:50.43 | zodd_ | maybe it is in the doc file in /usr/share/doc/libinput or in a man page, or check the homepage of the project |
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| 14:54.04 | jak2000 | mason: https://paste.debian.net/1107463/ |
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| 14:54.23 | jak2000 | dpkg -l | grep desktop <------ no result |
| 14:54.23 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep desktop <------ no result |
| 14:54.34 | jak2000 | but why continue seeing Documents? Desktop? |
| 14:55.03 | nkuttler | jak2000: see? |
| 14:55.15 | jak2000 | yes see... here https://paste.debian.net/1107463/ |
| 14:55.18 | greycat | none at all? that seems odd, if you're running X at all. |
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| 14:55.46 | nkuttler | jak2000: um.. man rmdir? |
| 14:55.58 | mason | jak2000: Those are not relevant. They're in your home directory. They can stay or go. If you don't want to run a desktop, removing the right packages is what you want. If there's no desktop metapackage, your "aptitude remove" line above seems like a start. |
| 14:56.12 | jak2000 | yes understand with rm i can do the task but need remove all "extra graphical files" |
| 14:56.28 | greycat | what? |
| 14:56.35 | nkuttler | you don't really need to.. but yeah.. just do it |
| 14:56.40 | greycat | What are you trying to remove, and why? |
| 14:56.42 | mason | jak2000: You've given us a directory listing of your home directory, but what we should see is "dpkg -l | grep desk" |
| 14:56.45 | nkuttler | the definition of "graphical files" is fuzzy though |
| 14:56.53 | jak2000 | ok |
| 14:56.55 | mason | greycat: He doesn't want a desktop environment running. |
| 14:56.59 | jak2000 | then removing with rm command |
| 14:57.15 | greycat | So he wants to remove... gnome? xfce? kde? |
| 14:57.16 | mason | jak2000: What directories exist in your home directory is unrelated. A different issue. |
| 14:57.22 | mason | greycat: Unknown as yet! |
| 14:58.23 | jak2000 | ok removed |
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| 15:28.29 | f-a | is there anyone using rxvt-unicode on buster here? |
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| 15:28.57 | f-a | I believe line spacing is a bit bigger than what I was used to, but URxvt*lineSpace: -1 seems not to work |
| 15:29.14 | f-a | so if I could cannibalise someone's configuration... |
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| 15:32.20 | mason | f-a: I need -2 on Debian. |
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| 15:32.39 | mason | f-a: -1 works on most systems for me, except Debian where I use -2. |
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| 15:33.16 | f-a | well, only one way to find out |
| 15:33.17 | mason | f-a: Ah, ignore me. I'm thinking of URxvt.letterspace, sorry. |
| 15:33.26 | mason | letterSpace* |
| 15:33.53 | mason | f-a: Also: URxvt.font: xft:DejaVu Sans Mono:style=Book:pixelsize=15:hinting=false:antialias=true |
| 15:33.59 | jelly | are y'all using antialiased fonts in urxvt, that you need to tune lineSpace? |
| 15:34.20 | mason | jelly: yes |
| 15:34.22 | f-a | jelly: http://www.ariis.it/link/t/paste25845-0 |
| 15:34.26 | jelly | good heavens |
| 15:35.02 | mason | jelly: Also using a background image. I turn off hinting, though. |
| 15:35.38 | jak2020 | sorry if repeat.... (but disconnected).. |
| 15:35.42 | jak2020 | other thing how to know what happend, if i need restart my server with a script but not do the job....: https://paste.debian.net/1107478/ |
| 15:35.58 | jelly | yeah ok, background (true alpha transparency) is what I'd switched to urxvt in the first place for |
| 15:36.32 | mason | jelly: Ah, I just stuff in a backgroundPixmap here |
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| 15:37.53 | jelly | the fonts I use are quite precise in their pixelses, either old kde3 console8x16, or stuff from https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/fontlist/ |
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| 15:38.54 | jelly | because my brain + myopic inputdev interpret bad hinting as *must* *focus* *harder* |
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| 15:39.40 | mason | This might end up flagged as I think imgur has changed their defaults, but https://imgur.com/a/k91XEls |
| 15:40.07 | jelly | eugh |
| 15:40.11 | zodd_ | jak2020, /usr/scripts ???? Not something normal in Debian. You can considering logging actions |
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| 15:42.49 | f-a | jelly: so what's your *font: line? |
| 15:42.56 | f-a | (yeah, shopping for alternatives) |
| 15:43.05 | zodd_ | maybe write a script which echos or logs and execute that from cron many times the same way you configured the other scripts. If, after tweaking, that works, you will know how to make the reboot scripts work |
| 15:43.14 | f-a | also I lost my vim color files in full-upgrade, silly me ;_; |
| 15:43.30 | jak2020 | zodd_ yes i create a directory under usr |
| 15:44.17 | jelly | right now it's URxvt.font:-misc-console-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso10646-1 |
| 15:45.47 | zodd_ | jak2020, /usr/local/ and /srv/ and /opt/ are locations that are normally used for type of this activity |
| 15:46.12 | zodd_ | *for this type of |
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| 15:48.27 | jelly | f-a: but you can't find that bitmap font in Debian any more, and it doesn't really work if your dpi is much higher than 96 http://jebo.me/stuff/console8x16.pcf.gz |
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| 15:50.28 | jelly | there are .ttf on that int10h web that match the VGA 9x16 or VGA 8x16 fonts in specific pixel sizes |
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| 15:50.59 | f-a | thanks! |
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| 15:55.14 | jelly | for irc, Gentium or GentiumAlt or Gentium Book in hexchat, sharp verticals and horizontal alignment with default hinting https://imgur.com/SrXxE1k (but so ugly on windows 7 or 10 for some reason) |
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| 15:56.18 | jelly | hm that screenshot might have been xchat not hexchat |
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| 15:58.24 | jelly | and this is just ridiculous, but someone might like it: https://int10h.org/blog/2018/05/flexi-ibm-vga-scalable-truetype-font/ |
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| 16:04.13 | mason | jelly: That imgur post reminds me a bit of the old Sun console fonts. |
| 16:05.08 | mason | The whole light text on a dark background thing is hard for me to read easily. |
| 16:05.32 | mason | A glaring white background is also bad, hence the parchment I use. |
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| 16:25.18 | f-a | ok, I am checking all the updated programs and msmtp exits with a |
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| 16:25.33 | f-a | msmtp: my-config-file: Permission denied |
| 16:26.16 | f-a | ls -lh returns: -rw-r--r-- 1 f root 544 Sep 19 03:41 msmtpall |
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| 16:26.28 | f-a | is there a way to check which permissions msmtp is asking for? |
| 16:27.09 | greycat | Is it trying to read this file, or write to it? Do arbitrary users have +x perms on all the *directories* leading to this file? |
| 16:27.30 | f-a | f-a: it is a config file, so I suppose 'read' is the answer |
| 16:28.06 | f-a | drwxr-xr-x 2 f root 4.0K Oct 16 18:22 msmtp |
| 16:28.18 | f-a | ^ this is the directory |
| 16:28.24 | greycat | it sounds like "I don't know" is the answer, so the starting point would be telling us the full path name... |
| 16:28.54 | greycat | Why is this config file, and its containing directory, owned by a user named "f"? |
| 16:29.01 | f-a | sure /home/f/cfg/msmtp/msmtpall |
| 16:29.59 | greycat | "msmtp is an SMTP client that can be used to send mails from Mutt and probably other MUAs (mail user agents). It forwards mails to an SMTP server" |
| 16:30.12 | greycat | so... you have configured mutt to run this, instead of a normal MTA? |
| 16:30.18 | f-a | yes |
| 16:30.29 | f-a | I configured it some 4 years ago, and it worked |
| 16:30.50 | f-a | yesterday, I suspect after the update to buster, stopped working (but it could be unrelated) |
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| 16:32.03 | greycat | it would be really hard to imagine any reason why it wouldn't run with the same privileges as mutt, then |
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| 16:37.08 | f-a | /usr/bin/msmtp ships with an Apparmor profile restricting what the binary |
| 16:37.08 | f-a | can access. |
| 16:37.12 | f-a | meh |
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| 16:37.28 | greycat | Damn, I keep forgetting about that stuff. |
| 16:38.22 | f-a | I am sure there are excellent reasons for it, but not the best user experience |
| 16:39.03 | greycat | https://sources.debian.org/src/msmtp/1.8.3-1/debian/apparmor/usr.bin.msmtp/ |
| 16:39.08 | greycat | ... whyyyyyy |
| 16:40.11 | greycat | anyway, the author of this packages seems to feel you should be configuring it in ~/.config/msmtp/ |
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| 16:45.38 | jelly | does msmtp-mta package override that profile? |
| 16:46.23 | jelly | ,file usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 16:46.29 | judd | Search for usr/sbin/sendmail in buster/amd64: exim4-daemon-light: usr/sbin/sendmail; opensmtpd: usr/sbin/sendmail; msmtp-mta: usr/sbin/sendmail; postfix: usr/sbin/sendmail; dma: usr/sbin/sendmail; exim4-daemon-heavy: usr/sbin/sendmail; citadel-server: usr/sbin/sendmail; courier-mta: usr/sbin/sendmail; esmtp-run: usr/sbin/sendmail; nullmailer: usr/sbin/sendmail; qmail-run: |
| 16:46.30 | judd | usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 16:57.18 | jhutchins_wk | nterestingly, sendmail is not a source for sendmail. |
| 16:58.09 | annadane | what. |
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| 16:58.17 | annadane | cats sleeping with dogs! insanity! |
| 16:58.45 | jhutchins_wk | ,v sendmail |
| 16:58.46 | judd | Package: sendmail on amd64 -- jessie: 8.14.4-8+deb8u2; stretch: 8.15.2-8; buster: 8.15.2-14~deb10u1; bullseye: 8.15.2-14; sid: 8.15.2-15 |
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| 16:59.14 | f-a | now to check whether it works... |
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| 17:00.48 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: sendmail-bin package, for some reason, uses alternatives to manage its /usr/sbin/sendmail symlink to /usr/lib/sm.bin/sendmail |
| 17:01.55 | jelly | # Create (or update) MTA, MSP alternatives |
| 17:01.55 | jelly | # This way, we'll be able to install 2 MTAs on the same box :) |
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| 17:02.31 | jelly | except no other package uses alternatives for that in Debian. Unlike RHEL/CentOS (and probably Fedora) |
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| 17:10.45 | f-a | I wonder whether I should file a bug report |
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| 17:12.41 | jelly | f-a: see if things are documented in NEWS.Debian or README.Debian before filing |
| 17:12.45 | jelly | !readme.debian |
| 17:12.45 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
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| 17:14.03 | f-a | jelly: it was clearly documented in the readme |
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| 17:15.31 | jelly | also it might be a good thing to add to buster release notes for the next buster point release |
| 17:16.11 | jelly | if it breaks config that worked in stretch, it's precisely the kind of thing that should be there |
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| 17:16.25 | wakawako | hi there |
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| 17:17.01 | jelly | I... don't know which virtual package release notes fall under. www.debian.org? |
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| 17:17.42 | wakawako | what installation commands usually showcased with ubuntu are compatible with debian? |
| 17:17.46 | jelly | maybe release.debian.org |
| 17:18.00 | f-a | jelly: I guess- basically to use -C <config-file> (as a user) I need to modify my /etc/ (as root), is this expected/good practice? |
| 17:18.38 | f-a | I feel something is off and that worked only because I am the only user in my machine |
| 17:19.00 | greycat | you shouldn't be touching /etc/ to configure a program you run as yourself using a config that's in your $HOME |
| 17:19.06 | f-a | s/worked/was possible |
| 17:19.10 | f-a | yup, what greycat said |
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| 17:20.10 | wakawako | how do you install a program from a .tar.gz file? |
| 17:20.26 | greycat | First, you see whether there are instructions in the same place you found the tarball. |
| 17:20.27 | f-a | wakawako: usually, you follow what's written in the README |
| 17:20.37 | greycat | If not, you extract the tarball in a safe/temporary directory, and look for instructions in the resulting mess. |
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| 17:21.37 | f-a | wakawako: I would be very careful in `make install` anything, run locally if you can |
| 17:21.41 | wakawako | had a similar experience with a different program |
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| 17:22.13 | jhutchins_wk | wakawako: Mixing non-debian packages with Debian is a good way to practice doing clean reinstalls. |
| 17:22.41 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: nobody said anything about *packages* |
| 17:23.09 | f-a | jelly: greycat: I will politely explain my thoughts to the maintainer, and call it a day |
| 17:23.11 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Well, a tar file could be considered a package. |
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| 17:23.18 | wakawako | it´s the installation of AIDE and the tutorials are with ubuntu or something else and I don´t want to do something I regret |
| 17:23.33 | greycat | ... |
| 17:23.51 | greycat | OK, I'll just consider this you undergoing a learning experience. Have fun. Enjoy. Come out wiser in the end. |
| 17:24.11 | h0n3ycl0ud | golf claps |
| 17:24.26 | wakawako | is there a better tool available in the repo I can go with instead? |
| 17:24.38 | greycat | I told you this yesterday, but you did. not. listen. |
| 17:25.07 | greycat | To prevent being pwned, you keep your system up to date with security patches (apt-get update, etc.). You also follow standard best practices: don't run services you don't need, don't screw with the permissions, etc. |
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| 17:25.33 | greycat | Turn off password logins if you can; or use strong passwords if you must. |
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| 17:25.37 | jhutchins_wk | wakawako: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 17:26.05 | greycat | There is no "tool" that will keep you safe. |
| 17:26.15 | jhutchins_wk | wakawako: Follow a plan rather than taking random shots and suggestions. |
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| 17:27.47 | jhutchins_wk | wakawako: https://wiki.debian.org/Hardening |
| 17:28.16 | greycat | wonders how that securing-debian-howto has a date of 2012 at the bottom, but Copyright © 2002-2013 at the tope. |
| 17:29.08 | greycat | anyway, I'm sure it's got some good stuff in it, and some wacky stuff, so bring your common sense |
| 17:29.31 | jhutchins_wk | Hardening at least is 6/19/19. |
| 17:30.02 | greycat | "This is the default behavior in Xfree 4.1.0 (the Xserver provided in Debian 3.0 and 3.1)" |
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| 17:30.22 | greycat | "If you are running Xfree 3.3.6 (i.e. you have Debian 2.2 installed) you can ..." |
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| 17:34.33 | iceyes | bonsoir à vous |
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| 17:35.11 | nkuttler | !fr |
| 17:35.11 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. |
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| 17:37.40 | andrea | Hi folks, is there a special channel/place to ask a question about Debian packaging/releases of Mediawiki? |
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| 17:39.07 | nkuttler | andrea: questions? |
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| 17:40.27 | andrea | nkuttler: well, I would like to upgrade mediawiki 1.19 to 1.27 (still on stretch) but apt wants to remove several extensions I still use |
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| 17:41.54 | tsglove | Network question: I setup tigervnc on a Debian10 machine. When I open-up an ssh tunnel from localhost into that machine, and then vnc connect to localhost:5901 I connect to VNC server immediately. Yet if I try to arrive without the ssh tunnel, my connection is refused. I am trying to determine if this could be Debian10's "firewall"? |
| 17:41.59 | tsglove | Or network rules? |
| 17:42.24 | andrea | nkuttler: I suspect they are not included by default in the new mediawiki package, so I am looking for hints, if any, before start searching for several replacements (...) |
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| 17:42.56 | nkuttler | ,v mediawiki |
| 17:42.57 | judd | Package: mediawiki on amd64 -- stretch: 1:1.27.7-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1:1.27.7-1~deb9u1; stretch-backports: 1:1.31.2-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1:1.31.2-1; bullseye: 1:1.31.4-1; sid: 1:1.31.4-1 |
| 17:43.15 | tsglove | On the remove host, if I do #ss -tulnp I do see it is listening on 127.0.0.1:5901 |
| 17:43.28 | tsglove | So... could it be I have to configure the vnc software to listen in on any IP? |
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| 17:44.23 | nkuttler | andrea: please paste.debian.net the output of your upgrade command |
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| 17:47.15 | wakawako | dpkg-buildflags is not present in repo |
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| 17:47.40 | andrea | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/1107489/ |
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| 17:48.35 | andrea | nkuttler: you see, I'd rather not remove all those extensions |
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| 17:49.30 | nkuttler | andrea: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=878147 |
| 17:49.31 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/878147 in wnpp (open): «RFP: mediawiki-extensions -- Extensions for mediawiki like additional authentication plugins»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2017-10-10; last modified: 2017-11-18. |
| 17:50.15 | nkuttler | sounds like you should just try the upgrade and see if/what breaks |
| 17:50.23 | nkuttler | (have backups, obviously) |
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| 17:54.01 | andrea | nkuttler: I see; and possibly I have to review my needs about those extensions. Thank you very much! :-) |
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| 18:09.41 | hop | "starting from base-files version 5.7, umask is set by pam_umask" appears outdated information. what's the latest there? |
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| 18:15.50 | tonka123 | can someone help me understand something? I'm installing php7.3 on buster and want to use FPM... it looks like that package pulled in apache2 stuff... do i only need to install php7.3-fpm package so i don't get any apache stuff? |
| 18:16.16 | greycat | ,v php-fpm |
| 18:16.17 | judd | Package: php-fpm on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; bullseye: 2:7.3+69; buster: 2:7.3+69; sid: 2:7.3+69 |
| 18:16.23 | greycat | ,depends php-fpm |
| 18:16.24 | judd | Package php-fpm in buster/amd64 -- depends: php7.3-fpm. |
| 18:16.42 | greycat | you can use that metapackage to get the current version (which is php7.3-fpm right now in buster) |
| 18:16.44 | hop | tomaw: in general you can use `aptitude why` to figure out what pulled a package |
| 18:17.06 | tonka123 | gotcha, so i shouldn't use the standard php7.3 package as that is a meta and will pull in apache |
| 18:18.06 | hop | tonka123: it depends on either of three packages |
| 18:18.43 | greycat | if you know in advance that you want to use FPM, then install php-fpm and you should be fine |
| 18:18.51 | hop | tonka123: if you already have fpm installed, it shouldn't pull in the apache module |
| 18:19.00 | jelly | hop: but the first and default one chosen is the mod_php one |
| 18:19.04 | tonka123 | well i think i installed php7.3 AND php7.3-fpm, which is my problem |
| 18:19.13 | greycat | just remove whatever you don't want |
| 18:19.21 | hop | jelly: yes? |
| 18:19.35 | hop | jelly: does that contradict what i said? |
| 18:19.53 | tonka123 | greycat, im spinning these servers up with config management, so i need to know what to install. sure i can remove these but want to fix the source of the issue :) |
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| 18:20.13 | hop | tonka123: also note, that there are metapackages with and without the version number. might want to keep that in mind for the future |
| 18:20.23 | tonka123 | hm okay i had no idea |
| 18:20.34 | jelly | hop: it does not contradict in any way. It provides a clue for the observed behaviour however. |
| 18:20.59 | tonka123 | greycat and hop thanks for your help :) |
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| 18:22.23 | hop | jelly: i bow to your more colourful plumage |
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| 18:22.30 | hop | anyone on the umask thing? |
| 18:22.45 | greycat | why do you think that what you read was *wrong*? |
| 18:23.00 | greycat | also, is GNOME involved in any way in your umask question? |
| 18:23.19 | hop | greycat: strictly server |
| 18:23.27 | somiaj | hop: have you checked the base-files debian changelog, maybe it mentions any changes to this. |
| 18:24.00 | hop | greycat: one, login.defs doesn't seem to have an effect on ssh logins, two, it appears the umask login is not configured anywhere in /etc/pam.d |
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| 18:26.18 | hop | somiaj: have you? |
| 18:26.27 | greycat | so, what's your question exactly? |
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| 18:26.53 | somiaj | hop: I haven't, but was pointing you to places you might find info on if/how things have changed. |
| 18:27.08 | greycat | "where is pam_umask"? "locate pam_umask", or on my system, it's /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_umask.so |
| 18:27.23 | f-a | greycat: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=942457#10 fyi |
| 18:28.19 | hop | greycat: where is my misunderstanding then? because changing login.defs has no effect on the umask when logging in via ssh |
| 18:28.24 | jelly | greycat: "where is pam_umask in PAM config on buster", however, results in zero matches |
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| 18:29.06 | greycat | That's why I'm asking him what his question is. |
| 18:29.33 | greycat | If it's "why isn't there a pam_umask in /etc/pam.d/sshd" then we can only speculate, but it's probably something like "you're supposed to add one if you want it". |
| 18:29.37 | jelly | hop: where is that quote from? |
| 18:29.58 | greycat | Now if he'll just kindly state what the question is, we can stop speculating about our guesses. |
| 18:30.09 | hop | jelly: which one? |
| 18:30.34 | hop | greycat: should be common-session, but same diff |
| 18:30.39 | jelly | [18:09] <hop> "starting from base-files version 5.7, umask is set by pam_umask" appears outdated information. what's the latest there? |
| 18:31.02 | hop | jelly: wiki. slight paraphrasing of the changelog |
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| 18:31.24 | somiaj | I did find this, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=825782 |
| 18:31.25 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/825782 in libpam-modules (closed, fixed-upstream, confirmed, upstream): «libpam-modules: pam_umask man documentation is wrong»; severity: minor; opened: 2016-05-29; last modified: 2019-03-13. |
| 18:31.32 | jelly | URL? There's lots of stuff on wiki.debian.org that is outdated |
| 18:31.43 | hop | greycat: i did ask a concrete question 5 minutes ago. not good enough? |
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| 18:32.07 | hop | i also would appreciate you not refering to me as a "he" all the time |
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| 18:32.17 | farmer | much obliged maa'm |
| 18:32.45 | greycat | So, which question are we supposed to try to answer? "Why isn't there a pam_umask line in /etc/pam.d already"? |
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| 18:32.56 | hop | jelly: i know. that's why i said it "appeared" to be outdated and asked whether there is a new state of things |
| 18:33.06 | greycat | ... |
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| 18:33.43 | hop | greycat: ok, let's go with that? to my non-native ears the changelog seems to imply that the umask is _actually_ set by pam. is that my misunderstanding? |
| 18:34.04 | greycat | It is ALLOWED to be set by PAM, if the system administrator decides to do so. |
| 18:34.11 | hop | so, bad english |
| 18:34.44 | greycat | bug #583967 |
| 18:34.45 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/583967 in base-files (closed): «remove umask line from /etc/profile»; severity: normal; opened: 2010-05-31; last modified: 2010-07-10. |
| 18:35.03 | greycat | let's go see what fun stuff happend in 2010... |
| 18:35.44 | jelly | hop: okay, we did not know what _it_ was. I can't find pam_umask in /etc/pam.d/* on any debian 6-10 |
| 18:35.56 | hop | jelly: that's what i said |
| 18:36.49 | jelly | and I'd have to try really hard to find a working debian 5... |
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| 18:37.32 | greycat | "grep -r umask /etc/pam.d" is empty on Debian 5.0.10 |
| 18:37.41 | greycat | at least the one I have |
| 18:37.42 | nkuttler | has man 8 pam_umask on stable |
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| 18:38.04 | greycat | nkuttler: the question appears to be "Why isn't there a pam_umask setting in /etc/pam.d by default" |
| 18:38.05 | hop | the module is there, i don't contest that |
| 18:38.12 | nkuttler | ah |
| 18:38.25 | greycat | It took a very long time to get this question out of hop. |
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| 18:39.37 | hop | it boils down to this: base-files' changelog says "will be handled by pam_umask," wiki says "is handled," lots of sources say it shouldn't be done in /etc/profile, but in actuality it seems to be _not_ handled |
| 18:39.54 | jcrypt | hop: Then what's the problem? If you want pam_umask, then add pam_umask to an appropriate pam configuration file. |
| 18:40.04 | hop | greycat: always a pleasure to be talked down to by you |
| 18:40.22 | nkuttler | it's a privilege |
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| 18:41.27 | hop | greycat: your version of the question presupposes that i positively know how pam works. which i don't. |
| 18:41.48 | hop | greycat: i went from the available "documentation" |
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| 18:41.58 | hop | greycat: which points to login.defs |
| 18:42.11 | nkuttler | hop: it sounds like you might want to raise a bug against the documentation |
| 18:42.35 | jcrypt | hop: http://www.linux-pam.org/Linux-PAM-html/Linux-PAM_SAG.html |
| 18:42.39 | greycat | bug #583958 is referred to from the previous bug... |
| 18:42.40 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/583958 in libpam-modules (forwarded, upstream, patch): «enable pam_umask usergroups by default»; severity: normal; opened: 2010-05-31; last modified: 2019-02-12. |
| 18:42.42 | jcrypt | That might be a bit aged, but the general structure is the same. |
| 18:43.13 | greycat | last comment in '958 is "I have pretty much the same question as Ian 2 years ago. What is the current situation? Is there any way I can help?". In 2016. |
| 18:43.18 | jelly | hop: I don't see anything in base-files=10.3+deb10u1 changelog about what is supposed to be handled by pam_umask. What's your real goal? |
| 18:43.28 | jcrypt | hop: And it does have a specific description of pam_umask. |
| 18:43.36 | hop | jelly: are you serious? |
| 18:43.39 | nkuttler | ah wait, a changelog isn't reall documentation, especially an entry from 8 years ago |
| 18:43.53 | jelly | hop: yes. What is it? Setting umask for interactive sessions? setting umask for something else? |
| 18:44.17 | hop | jelly: understanding what's going on |
| 18:44.46 | jelly | oh, the quote is from (5.7) |
| 18:44.52 | hop | jelly, read this carefully: 20:39 < hop> it boils down to this: base-files' changelog says "will be handled by pam_umask," wiki says "is handled," lots of sources say it shouldn't be done in /etc/profile, but in actuality it seems to be _not_ handled |
| 18:45.16 | greycat | "What's going on" appears to be: 9 years ago, they decided to remove the umask stuff from /etc/profile because that isn't used by most logins any more. It was supposed to be handled by pam_umask. But nobody ever put pam_umask in the default configs. For 9 years. And the open bugs about it are not forthcoming. |
| 18:45.18 | hop | jelly: ask me for clarification if that is not understandable |
| 18:45.18 | jelly | hop: okay, and what do you want to set umask for? |
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| 18:45.45 | hop | jelly: oh, go away |
| 18:45.57 | hop | greycat: i think so too, by now |
| 18:46.00 | jcrypt | hop: You told him to ask for clarification. Stop being a jackass. |
| 18:46.02 | greycat | 14:45 Ignoring ALL from hop |
| 18:46.09 | jcrypt | And there's the plonk. |
| 18:46.13 | hop | bye |
| 18:46.14 | jelly | shrugs |
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| 18:46.24 | nkuttler | shrugs |
| 18:46.53 | greycat | closes the two open bug report tabs and the zless changelog.gz and cd's back to ~ |
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| 18:48.45 | ratrace | okay can we adress the elephant in the room now? greycat, why you still have debian 5 working somewhere :) |
| 18:48.51 | Akuw | i have a hardware with ethernet connection but i dont know mac or ip |
| 18:48.54 | Akuw | how can i know it |
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| 18:49.11 | nkuttler | Akuw: that hardware runs debian? |
| 18:49.12 | ratrace | Akuw: `ip a` |
| 18:49.25 | Akuw | but i dont have ssh access |
| 18:49.28 | greycat | ratrace: It involves Apache, PHP, a coworker who is no longer here, and a whole lot of inertia. |
| 18:49.36 | Akuw | only ethernet connection |
| 18:49.40 | ratrace | greycat: heh :) |
| 18:49.40 | jelly | ratrace: you think that's bad? |
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| 18:49.52 | Akuw | i have to guess IP from another pc |
| 18:49.59 | ratrace | jelly: not bad, just... curious. |
| 18:49.59 | greycat | Akuw: ... what *do* you know? |
| 18:50.03 | f-a | greycat: I see I caught you in another discussion. tl;dr: msmtp maintainer suggests a symlink could do (which I guess it does) |
| 18:50.18 | jelly | ratrace: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries # this machine is on public internet |
| 18:50.24 | nkuttler | Akuw: it doesn't use dhcp? |
| 18:50.33 | greycat | f-a: I was actually wondering that, but I have no idea what happens in AppArmor if you're allowed to read X but not Y, and have Y -> X. |
| 18:50.39 | ratrace | jelly: tsk tsk tsk :) |
| 18:50.43 | Akuw | greycat: nothing, could be range goes from 10.3.96.x |
| 18:50.59 | nkuttler | Akuw: you should probably either read its manual, or your dhcpd logs.. |
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| 18:51.21 | Akuw | use static is a antenna |
| 18:51.32 | ratrace | nmap could help too, by way of deduction, or make sure nothing else is on the network |
| 18:51.41 | f-a | greycat: I must say I don't like it, but I am sure there are loads of $benefits in using AppArmor |
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| 18:51.48 | humbot | or fping |
| 18:51.57 | ratrace | ooh I love using AppArmor, just not the default profiles. |
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| 18:52.22 | greycat | Akuw: if my guesses are correct, the *real* solution to whatever the hell you are asking would be to configure the DHCP server to give this thing a static IP address based on its MAC. And you will learn the MAC by seeing what the DHCP server's log files say after you turn it on and connect it to the network. |
| 18:52.50 | Akuw | greycat: that hardware is using static IP |
| 18:52.56 | greycat | so you know the IP address. |
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| 18:53.04 | greycat | then why are you wasting OUR time |
| 18:53.11 | Akuw | i dont know |
| 18:53.19 | Akuw | i am telling you |
| 18:53.28 | Akuw | another person configured in the past |
| 18:53.34 | Joit | Akuw: you use a desktop, right? there should be a icon at the menubar where it says ethernet, rightlick that and look there |
| 18:53.36 | Akuw | not documented |
| 18:53.57 | greycat | configured it in the "antenna"? or in the DHCP server? |
| 18:54.08 | ratrace | Akuw: if it's routed to in the subnet, try and see what nmap says about it |
| 18:54.15 | Akuw | greycat: is an antenna |
| 18:54.27 | Akuw | each antenna has IP address |
| 18:54.31 | Akuw | static |
| 18:54.34 | greycat | Is the CONFIGURATION of the ALLEGED STATIC IP ADDRESS done in the antenna, or outside of it? |
| 18:55.59 | Akuw | in the antenna |
| 18:56.23 | greycat | OK, then go ask the antenna what its address is. Using whatever tools you used to configure it in the first place. |
| 18:56.28 | Akuw | that antenna use a webserver interface too |
| 18:56.40 | ratrace | weirdest convo ever |
| 18:56.50 | Akuw | it is not possible to know using linux command ? |
| 18:57.06 | greycat | you were given a brute force solution already. use it. I'm done. |
| 18:57.28 | greycat | Apparently NOTHING we say will work except your fucking brute force crap. |
| 18:57.48 | Akuw | i will use nmap |
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| 19:00.13 | jelly | Akuw: in general it will be easier to solve this for the network admin than an admin of a debian system that's accidentally in the same network segment |
| 19:01.14 | jelly | figure out which port the "antenna" is connected to, mirror that port's traffic, sniff the mirrored port then provoke the antenna to make network traffic |
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| 19:02.58 | jelly | Akuw: if this antenna is connected _directly_ to one of your debian system's eth ports, then you can do just the last two steps |
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| 19:03.06 | JPT | Or use the antennas reset button to get rid of all settings and set it up from scratch. :) |
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| 19:04.03 | jelly | JPT: except maybe they need to read the config out and not lose it, because everyone who knew anything about it is long gone! |
| 19:04.11 | Akuw | jelly: but i have to configure my ip static too in same range, i mean 10.3.96.x |
| 19:04.13 | Akuw | right |
| 19:04.17 | jelly | Akuw: no |
| 19:04.42 | JPT | Sure, if the config is important, dump it first. I tried^^ |
| 19:04.47 | jelly | Akuw: that's done _after_ you figure out the IP |
| 19:05.03 | jelly | Akuw: does the thing not have a serial/console port? |
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| 19:08.27 | Akuw | no |
| 19:08.29 | jelly | Akuw: oh if you already know 10.3.96.0/24 is what the device has configured, then yes, what greyâcat said. Pick and configure an ip in that range and scan away |
| 19:08.43 | Akuw | ok |
| 19:10.03 | jelly | a mere arp query scan might be enough |
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| 19:18.32 | amartin | Hi all, anyone knows if this page is actual in terms of Debian 10? |
| 19:18.45 | amartin | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 19:20.23 | somiaj | The details between 9 and 10 haven't changed that much, so it should be mostly accurate |
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| 19:21.11 | dob1 | hi, how can I change the default python version? |
| 19:21.31 | nkuttler | dob1: you shouldn't. what are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 19:24.24 | dob1 | nkuttler, I want to change where /usr/bin/python point, I tried update-alternatives but no luck. I want it points to python 3 not 2 |
| 19:24.33 | nkuttler | dob1: but why |
| 19:25.00 | nkuttler | dob1: what you are trying to do is virtually guaranteed to break system packages |
| 19:25.24 | dob1 | nkuttler, why I can't have python3 as default instead of python2 ? |
| 19:25.39 | nkuttler | dob1: *your* default != *system* default |
| 19:25.44 | somiaj | dob1: you do not want to do this, you will break debian. |
| 19:26.00 | somiaj | dob1: just use phython3 (instead of python) to run python3 inturpriter. |
| 19:26.01 | nkuttler | dob1: if you want to use a different python version, pesonally, i use a virtualenv |
| 19:26.08 | ratrace | dob1: you can in a virtualenv. otherwise you can't due to PEP 394 |
| 19:26.09 | CrystalMath | dob1: debian has python scripts that require python2 |
| 19:26.24 | somiaj | dob1: in scripts use the shebang #!/usr/bin/python3 to tell the machine it needs to use python3 and not python. |
| 19:26.25 | dob1 | and why it doesn't use python2 ? |
| 19:26.44 | dob1 | I mean #!/usr/bin/python2 |
| 19:26.58 | nkuttler | dob1: probably because python3 didn't exist when it was written |
| 19:26.58 | dob1 | anyway I got it, I take it as it is |
| 19:27.00 | CrystalMath | are you willing to correct that everywhere? even in places where it's launched? |
| 19:27.14 | CrystalMath | i mean, i did it once |
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| 19:27.20 | ratrace | dob1: like I said, due to PEP394 that defines the `python` binary |
| 19:27.20 | somiaj | dob1: because python has been defaulting to python2 in debian for a long time, it wasn't until python3 added that this needed to be changed. But due to the amount of python scripts used by debian packages, debian has to make python = python2 to ensure things don't break. |
| 19:27.21 | CrystalMath | scripts were broken ;p |
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| 19:27.40 | dob1 | ok got it |
| 19:27.42 | CrystalMath | wasn't too bad though, i put things back |
| 19:27.46 | CrystalMath | didn't explode all over |
| 19:27.47 | dob1 | thanks for the infos |
| 19:27.54 | somiaj | since python3 is not backwards compadable, it wasn't an easy transition, so debian has python = python2 and python3 |
| 19:28.09 | ratrace | somiaj: it's also mandated by python |
| 19:28.12 | CrystalMath | but yeah, they're NOT alternatives |
| 19:28.20 | CrystalMath | that's why it's not in update-alternatives |
| 19:28.24 | somiaj | ratrace: ahh wasn't sure if this was an upstream or debian policy issue. |
| 19:28.24 | CrystalMath | you can't just swap them out |
| 19:28.34 | ratrace | it's not just somethign debian does to solve its own packaging. |
| 19:28.46 | somiaj | I have had people swap them out break their debian, packges will no longer install/upgrade. So don't manually swap it either. |
| 19:28.51 | ratrace | there will likely be a PEP sometime next year that switches `python` to python3 |
| 19:29.18 | somiaj | ratrace: debian will probably lag behind that, but yea, it will probably happen after phython2 hits eol (which is what 2020?) |
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| 19:29.25 | ratrace | yup |
| 19:29.27 | greycat | there's also a "rm python2" transition ongoing in Debian, but I don't know the status or much detail |
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| 19:31.47 | GNU\colossus | ratrace, wow, that is.... moronic. |
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| 19:33.37 | kevr63 | Hello. My debian install in a virtualbox VM has gone haywire, and i'm trying to figure out how I can solve the problem: it boots up, but then it just hangs on systemd messages after it tries to "Raise network interfaces," i've set loglevel=7 on the kernel cmdline to get more info but it doesn't give me any at that point |
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| 19:33.57 | kevr63 | is there a way i can somehow recover the install, or have debian triage issues with core units? |
| 19:35.22 | ratrace | GNU\colossus: quite the contrary, it's one of the ordered things that don't vary across distros based on maintainer whim. |
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| 19:36.16 | GNU\colossus | yeah, but to mandate something that's going to necessarily collide with established practice, when there's a clear path (mandating "python3" instead) available is... see above. |
| 19:36.54 | kevr63 | I'd like to just run an upgrade through a chroot, but apparently i locked out the root account on install, and I can't figure out how to gain root access |
| 19:36.57 | ratrace | GNU\colossus: feel free to submit a better PEP. It's open source. |
| 19:37.28 | mason | ,v apache2 |
| 19:37.29 | judd | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u16; stretch: 2.4.25-3+deb9u8; stretch-security: 2.4.25-3+deb9u9; buster: 2.4.38-3+deb10u1; buster-security: 2.4.38-3+deb10u3; buster-backports: 2.4.41-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2.4.41-1; sid: 2.4.41-1 |
| 19:37.34 | somiaj | kevr63: so chroot /path/to/chroot fails? |
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| 19:37.52 | GNU\colossus | no matter now; at any rate, the python3 "transition" fiasco is going to be a very useful example for how not to deal with evolving a language/its interpreter |
| 19:37.53 | somiaj | mason: /msg judd v apache2 (please message the bot unless you are providing info relevant to a current conversation) |
| 19:37.59 | FreeBDSM | hello, how to fsck all filesystems on a remote server with debian 9 and to get logs after that? I did `sudo touch /forcefsck && sudo reboot` and found no logs. |
| 19:38.02 | GNU\colossus | in many regards |
| 19:38.03 | kevr63 | somiaj no, it doesn't, but i can't interact with apt-get by doing so, because there are mismatched users |
| 19:38.17 | gjvc | kevr63: what happens if you do a rescue boot ? can you then bring up the interfaces manually ? |
| 19:38.38 | amartin | somiaj: thanks |
| 19:38.40 | somiaj | kevr63: so why not just chroot into your chroot, and do th eoperations from there. |
| 19:38.44 | gjvc | s/the interfaces/an interface/ |
| 19:38.55 | GNU\colossus | FreeBDSM, if you're on systemd, try booting with "fsck.mode=force" on the kernel cmdline |
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| 19:38.56 | FreeBDSM | `sudo journalctl -b --no-pager | grep systemd-fsck` returned `systemd-fsck[547]: Please pass 'fsck.mode=force' on the kernel command line rather than creating /forcefsck on the root file system.` |
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| 19:39.07 | mason | somiaj: Ah, couldn't remember the syntax or bot, so I was looking for examples in scrollback. But now I know. |
| 19:39.11 | somiaj | kevr63: once inside the chroot, tell us what error you are having, lets see if we can fix the mixmatched users problem. |
| 19:39.21 | FreeBDSM | GNU\colossus: where will that log to? |
| 19:39.35 | GNU\colossus | the systemd journal, I guess ;) |
| 19:39.36 | greycat | same place systemd always logs to... journalctl |
| 19:39.40 | kevr63 | somiaj it's an error related to _apt not existing, and so apt-get can't drop privileges |
| 19:39.53 | kevr63 | but i'm unsure why that would be the case, if i'm chrooting into the system.. |
| 19:40.13 | somiaj | kevr63: sounds like an older chroot that didn't add this apt virtual user, you may need to manually do this. |
| 19:40.18 | somiaj | kevr63: what is this chroot? |
| 19:40.43 | somiaj | kevr63: I mean is it one you could just recreate with debootstrap and then copy the data over, might be easier to do that, then fix it. |
| 19:40.47 | kevr63 | debian 9.9 |
| 19:41.30 | kevr63 | which data would i be copying though? do i need to include sudoers for _apt? |
| 19:42.18 | kevr63 | `useradd _apt` is just hanging now |
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| 19:42.23 | somiaj | kevr63: this is my _apt user on my stretch system, _apt:x:104:65534::/nonexistent:/bin/false -- note the user number (104) may not be appropraite for your system. |
| 19:43.07 | somiaj | kevr63: My suggestion was (if this is a chroot you can quickly recreate) is build a new chroot and copy over any data you need for the chroot. Though a lot depends on wha tyou are using the chroot for. |
| 19:43.17 | somiaj | I was just saying create a new one vs fix, sometimes that is faster for many. |
| 19:44.29 | kevr63 | it's a hard disk install that i'm chrooting into, to attempt to repair |
| 19:44.32 | kevr63 | it's not just a chroot |
| 19:46.25 | kevr63 | another error.. unknown user 'root' in statoverride fil |
| 19:46.26 | kevr63 | *sigh |
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| 19:47.07 | dob1 | and if I remove python2 will /usr/bin/python point to python3 ? |
| 19:47.27 | dob1 | I don't want to do this, just asking |
| 19:48.11 | greycat | It's a moot question because you can't remove python2. |
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| 19:50.34 | ratrace | you can though, on buster at least (I run sans python2) |
| 19:50.34 | dob1 | greycat, really? |
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| 19:51.11 | ratrace | but no, /usr/bin/python is always python2, per PEP 394 |
| 19:51.53 | somiaj | It seems python is only a standard package, but so many other packages depend on it, removing this will remove most your system. |
| 19:52.33 | ratrace | somiaj: not on buster. like I said, I run with no python2 installed. |
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| 19:52.52 | somiaj | I'm looking at stretch here, but yea, less and less depend on it |
| 19:53.27 | kevr63 | sigh |
| 19:53.46 | somiaj | kevr63: what started these errors in the first place? |
| 19:54.17 | kevr63 | unsure. i just rebooted my host system, which also rebooted the debian system |
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| 19:54.52 | kevr63 | it could have been a previous apt install that screwed something up. |
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| 19:56.22 | kevr63 | but i would think that the boot would give me some sort of error that i could go off of... |
| 19:56.30 | kevr63 | the hang is just confusing me, a lot |
| 19:56.32 | somiaj | kevr63: do you only use offical debian sources, did you mix releases? |
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| 19:56.55 | kevr63 | i do use the official debian sources. let me check to see if i did mix.. i may have |
| 19:57.45 | kevr63 | but fuck, now i need to get some data off of this VM if i'm going to reinstall it |
| 19:57.48 | somiaj | I'm not seeing why you are having trouble finding the _apt and now root user. |
| 19:57.56 | kevr63 | and since it's not booting up, there's almost no way to access the vm disks |
| 19:58.04 | todi | good morning everybody |
| 19:58.13 | kevr63 | (from the host, at least) |
| 19:58.17 | somiaj | so I don't have any suggestions on how to fix it, maybe others do, if you provide pasts of actuall commands typed and output. |
| 19:59.12 | kevr63 | nope, i only have stretch repos |
| 19:59.16 | kevr63 | no mixes here.. |
| 19:59.17 | kevr63 | bleh |
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| 20:01.23 | kevr63 | i mean, i know that this is behaving oddly because of how i'm chrooting into it, something is not being setup like it normally is whenever debian boots properly |
| 20:01.51 | kevr63 | but.. without any kind of errors on boot, i can't even begin to troubleshoot whats going wrong, except for googling for debian hanging after that unit message |
| 20:01.57 | kevr63 | which doesn't give me much :/ |
| 20:02.19 | somiaj | again, provide exact commands typed and output, that will help out a lot. Maybe others can help figure out what went wrong, and depending on your time cruch, if you have another hard disk, etc, backup/reinstall/recover maybe far faster than debugging. |
| 20:02.29 | todi | noja do not write many |
| 20:04.02 | kevr63 | for simplicitiy's sake, you can assume that i didn't type any commands at all, other than trying to apt update in the chroot which gave the _apt message that i mentioned |
| 20:04.44 | kevr63 | i'm literally just trying to figure out how to get information about what's going wrong |
| 20:04.45 | kevr63 | at boot |
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| 20:04.58 | kevr63 | and i can't find any, given max log levels |
| 20:05.10 | kevr63 | i also can't journalctl within a chroot |
| 20:05.26 | humbot | is this the same as the other day |
| 20:05.30 | somiaj | kevr63: grep apt /etc/passwd (do you have an _apt user)? |
| 20:05.37 | kevr63 | nope |
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| 20:05.50 | somiaj | hmm, wonder why that user did not get created, wonder what version it was added |
| 20:06.09 | kevr63 | but again, i doubt that has anything to do with the actual problem |
| 20:06.30 | kevr63 | that error message is only a biproduct of me typing that command in a chroot, it has nothing to do with the boot failing |
| 20:06.36 | kevr63 | (apt is not being invoked when i'm booting, afaik) |
| 20:06.45 | FreeBDSM | looks like fsck is broken on Debian |
| 20:07.03 | FreeBDSM | it looks like it reports stuff without actually running the checks |
| 20:07.23 | FreeBDSM | I doubt it is able to scan terabytes of information in just 1 sec |
| 20:07.59 | todi | what are you talking about right now |
| 20:08.22 | humbot | freebdsm |
| 20:08.25 | somiaj | kevr63: yea seems the _apt user was added in 1.1~exp3, is this a stretch install or one you upgraded from jessie? |
| 20:09.01 | kevr63 | it's a stretch install |
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| 20:09.25 | FreeBDSM | well, I added kernel param to run fsck upon reboot and rebooted, now I'm looking at the `journalctl -b` and I see that there's just 1 sec between log entries `Starting File System Check on /dev/disk/by-uuid//...` and `Mounting /mnt/...` which uses those devs |
| 20:09.42 | ratrace | FreeBDSM: unless you --force it, fsck won't do anything on recently fsck'd fs |
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| 20:10.18 | todi | To freebdsm the Linux where you have to build yourself as the lfs |
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| 20:10.22 | FreeBDSM | ratrace: I added fsck.mode=force to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT |
| 20:10.49 | FreeBDSM | todi: what? |
| 20:10.54 | somiaj | kevr63: this is very strange, because stretch should have _apt user by default. |
| 20:11.02 | somiaj | FreeBDSM: and you ran update-grub? |
| 20:11.12 | FreeBDSM | somiaj: dang it! |
| 20:11.22 | kevr63 | @somiaj i believe that the way i'm chrooting is not setting the system up like it normally would on a successful boot |
| 20:11.28 | kevr63 | and that's most likely why |
| 20:12.15 | somiaj | kevr63: the fact this user is missing in a fresh stretch install seems very strange to me. https://askubuntu.com/questions/810202/what-is-the-sandbox-user-apt-on-my-system -- there is the adduser command that is used to create the user in the postinstall script. |
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| 20:12.45 | somiaj | the user should be in /etc/passwd despite how you get into it, if 'grep apt /etc/passwd' is returing no user, it was either never created or removed. |
| 20:12.55 | todi | sorry the humbt has you community |
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| 20:13.32 | ratrace | FreeBDSM: also, you have nonzero fs_fpassno in the fstab line for root? |
| 20:14.24 | kevr63 | somiaj: my /etc/passwd is encrypted in some way |
| 20:14.26 | FreeBDSM | ratrace: dunno (rebooting). Why? What does it affect? |
| 20:14.45 | somiaj | kevr63: this isn't a plain text file? |
| 20:14.59 | ratrace | FreeBDSM: afaik fsck consults fstab and doesn't touch those with 0 |
| 20:15.00 | somiaj | kevr63: yea, I have no clue what state your system is in. |
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| 20:15.15 | kevr63 | no, it''s encrypted |
| 20:15.17 | kevr63 | from something |
| 20:15.28 | todi | noja got the humbot community with me because i asked what you are talking about |
| 20:15.28 | kevr63 | and i don't know what |
| 20:15.49 | somiaj | I personally haven't seen an encrypted passwd file, that seems strange to me. |
| 20:16.25 | somiaj | are you sure it is encrypted and not just corrupted? |
| 20:16.29 | kevr63 | sigh.. |
| 20:16.32 | somiaj | that file being corrupted could cause lots of issues. |
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| 20:16.45 | ratrace | probably corrupt. passwd doesn't contain passwords and is usually world readable |
| 20:16.50 | kevr63 | i'm not sure, but i don't see how it could have gotten corrupted |
| 20:17.04 | ratrace | the sector it resides got corrupted? |
| 20:17.08 | ratrace | *it resides in |
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| 20:17.13 | FreeBDSM | ratrace: do you mean 'pass' in /etc/fstab? it is 0 only for swap |
| 20:17.19 | somiaj | but yea, if you don't have a backup, a reinstall might be the only way if your passwd file is corrupted. |
| 20:17.27 | kevr63 | god damn |
| 20:17.28 | ratrace | FreeBDSM: yes, the last field |
| 20:17.38 | ratrace | FreeBDSM: must be nonzero for fsck to touch that fs |
| 20:17.44 | FreeBDSM | it is non zero |
| 20:17.44 | ratrace | (root fs) |
| 20:17.48 | ratrace | okay |
| 20:17.53 | somiaj | I could be overlooking something, but I have never heard of encrypting passwd, many things need to read that to turn usernames into uids. |
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| 20:19.05 | mutante | encrypted passwd file almost sounds like ransomware |
| 20:19.13 | kevr63 | lol. |
| 20:20.13 | FreeBDSM | and the problem is that even after `update-grub` - there's still 0 sec difference between `systemd-fsck[488]: /dev/mapper/myvg: 288680/98304000 files (1.5% non-contiguous), 317859225/393216000 blocks` and `systemd[1]: Mounting /mnt/...` in the `journalctl -b` |
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| 20:20.51 | kevr63 | Fuck, I'm so stupid for not making any backups |
| 20:22.25 | mutante | kevr63: you can probably fix it by booting from something else, like a Live CD or USB drive and then mount the file system and write a new passwd |
| 20:22.42 | mutante | same method like "forgot root password" |
| 20:23.09 | mutante | unless everything is encrypted |
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| 20:26.29 | somiaj | mutante: that won't work if his whole passwd file is corrupted. This contains all user information for his system. |
| 20:26.36 | somiaj | kevr63: is /etc/passwd- corrupted too? |
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| 20:27.10 | mutante | somiaj: well at least he could write a file with a root user and get back on the box and then re-add regular users ? |
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| 20:28.09 | somiaj | you have to make sure the uid matches up with what the system has done, but I guess you could regenrate it if you knew enough about your system, what user names are needed and how to track down the uid they need. |
| 20:28.36 | mcon | I just installed a new Radeon RX580 GPU in my system (currrently I'm ising my i7-8700k internal IGD (i915). Card is seen, but not currrently active; how can I switch xserver to use the new card? |
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| 20:29.20 | somiaj | mcon: you might need the package firmware-amd-graphics installed, and it should be using the amdgpu drivers. |
| 20:29.37 | mutante | somiaj: yea. would be annoying but possible.. like look at the home dirs and which numbers own files now.. then use find -uid .. -exec chown .. to fix stuff |
| 20:29.59 | somiaj | its the system users I'm more worried about |
| 20:30.08 | mutante | true |
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| 20:30.13 | somiaj | I have 29 users on my system, only one of which has a dir in /home |
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| 20:30.42 | greycat | 29 sounds way too low, if you're counting system users |
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| 20:31.01 | somiaj | greycat: cat /etc/passwd | wc -l => 29 |
| 20:31.05 | greycat | oh well, I guess it depends on what you've installed |
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| 20:31.09 | somiaj | I was expecting more myself, but I have fairly minmial needs |
| 20:31.46 | greycat | then again I'm a qmail user, with qmail's 7 separate UIDs... |
| 20:32.08 | FreeBDSM | so is there a way to fix fsck? |
| 20:32.38 | kevr63 | i doubt it's broken |
| 20:32.52 | kevr63 | fsck doesn't have to look at every single byte on a disk everytime it does a check |
| 20:33.05 | somiaj | kevr63: you never answered was /etc/passwd- corrupted (note the -) |
| 20:33.38 | FreeBDSM | kevr63: afaiu - it should if I use 'force', and I did use force. |
| 20:33.52 | kevr63 | somiaj i'll check in a sec, but honestly i have doubts that i'll fix the system completely today, and i gotta get a system running so i can work |
| 20:34.00 | kevr63 | so i just started a new vm install |
| 20:34.10 | mcon | somiaj: Yes. I have those. I did my homework and everything seems ok... I just need the last step: convince system to start xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu instead of xserver-xorg-video-i915 ? |
| 20:34.23 | kevr63 | give me a bit, i'll let you know if it was a bad file |
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| 20:35.19 | somiaj | mcon: dmesg | grep amdgpu (do you see the module loading and any messages such as missing firmware or loading firmware) |
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| 20:35.49 | greycat | FreeBDSM: what type of file system is it? |
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| 20:36.11 | FreeBDSM | greycat: ext4 |
| 20:38.03 | mcon | somiaj: [drm:amdgpu_pci_probe [amdgpu]] *ERROR* amdgpu requires firmware installed I might have installed firmware *after* last boot. Should I reboot? |
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| 20:39.33 | somiaj | mcon: you have to reboot or remove/reload the module after the firmware is installed. |
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| 20:40.04 | FreeBDSM | basic stuff and yet so hard to use... |
| 20:40.07 | somiaj | mcon: rebooting is the easist to ensure everything gets loaded correctly in the kms modules at boot. |
| 20:41.43 | mcon | somiaj: ok. see You later ;) |
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| 20:55.45 | Emil | Hi. I tried asking in openssh but a person there said it's more OS than openssh (though I disagree). Anycase anyone know if I can get sshd to check for users in some other file but /etc/passwd, too? I want to provide a shell to an user that does not exist in /etc/passwd for example |
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| 20:56.59 | dadefsad | has anyone ever bought drugs here https://partydron.com ? they make drone delivery anonymously, it looks good but I need some opinions,Any experience with them? Thanks |
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| 20:57.14 | c0rnelius | haha |
| 20:58.03 | ratrace | Emil: probably not. |
| 20:58.35 | somiaj | yea, googling 'ssh virtual user' didn't return anything useful |
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| 21:00.05 | Emil | I'm wondering if I could abuse ldap configuration somehow |
| 21:00.15 | Emil | https://serverfault.com/questions/653792/ssh-key-authentication-using-ldap seems to indicate that it might be possible with some hackery |
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| 21:02.50 | mcon | somiaj: Ok, rebooted, now xrandr sees both "providers", but second screen is stil dark. |
| 21:03.36 | ratrace | Emil: the sh part of ssh must run as some uid, and this uid must exist in /etc/passwd. Even if there was a way to define the user elsewhere, /etc/passwd still must contain the whatever mapping you do to the effective uid which is then moot. |
| 21:05.25 | Emil | ratrace: so ldap updates /etc/passwd? |
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| 21:05.50 | greycat | ratrace: the account can be defined elsewhere, but it must be a *real* account, known to the OS. |
| 21:06.20 | greycat | NIS accounts are typically not duplicated in /etc/passwd on the individual clients |
| 21:06.36 | Emil | greycat: "know to the OS" is not a thing, the OS (linux in this case) only cares about numerical values, all definitions are in userspace after that. |
| 21:06.51 | Emil | greycat: how does NIS define the required info if not in /etc/passwd? |
| 21:06.52 | greycat | Known to getpwnam() and getpwuid(). |
| 21:06.56 | Emil | Does it use some pam? |
| 21:07.24 | ratrace | so to avoid XY problem, what's the end goal of this? |
| 21:07.32 | greycat | Emil: /etc/nsswitch.conf contains "passwd: compat systemd" and passwd contains "+::::::" which means "all NIS accounts also go here" |
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| 21:07.57 | Emil | greycat: interesting |
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| 21:09.26 | Emil | ratrace: I need to do work on a system with a very slowly managed centrally controlled server. We already have a user with root account there, but that's a personal account. We'd of course like for me to have a separate account to do work |
| 21:10.36 | Emil | so even if we have root and can do whattheheck we want, there's a central system that wipes manually added users |
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| 21:11.10 | Emil | we'll probably try chattr +i on /etc/passwd and so on next :D |
| 21:11.15 | greycat | oh, FINALLY we are getting to the actual problem |
| 21:11.32 | Emil | -.- |
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| 21:15.18 | greycat | the obvious answer would be "turn off the job that reverts /etc/passwd, temporarily" |
| 21:15.42 | greycat | the second obvious answer would be "add your new account the the template that the passwd-revert job uses" |
| 21:16.25 | greycat | surely they have *some* mechanism for adding new users? why can't you just use whatever that is? |
| 21:17.35 | Emil | your response is exactly why I didn't bother you with the actual situation and still avoided the XY problem. We already waited weeks to even get the first account :D |
| 21:18.10 | greycat | so, when they hire a new employee, that employee just sits around waiting, doing nothing, for weeks? |
| 21:18.13 | greycat | must be government. |
| 21:19.18 | Emil | greycat: close, university :D |
| 21:20.05 | Emil | but greycat I think that /etc/nsswitch.conf might actually be possible |
| 21:20.18 | greycat | well then, the third obvious answer is to find a security hole and just crack your way into the system. there is no FUCKING way there isn't one, given this incredibly obtuse setup. |
| 21:20.25 | Emil | we'll look into that, too, since it might allow defining alternative files to /etc/passwd |
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| 21:25.00 | Emil | greycat: the setup is not obtuse but in the user access being slowly centrally managed :D |
| 21:25.08 | Emil | keyword being slowly |
| 21:25.32 | greycat | install your own backdo-- I mean, remote management application |
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| 21:29.54 | Emil | greycat: isn't that what we are sorta doing already with trying to reconfigure openssh ;) |
| 21:30.23 | Emil | Reading the manpage for /etc/nsswitch.conf and unfortunately it doesn't seem to be able to change or add the passwd file |
| 21:30.25 | greycat | That wasn't how you initially presented it. |
| 21:31.00 | greycat | Initial presentation was "I'm the legit sysadmin of this box and I want to add a new user account without modifying /etc/passwd" and people mentioned the regular ways to do this (NIS, LDAP). |
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| 21:33.53 | c0rnelius | couldn't you just create a user without a "home" dir? |
| 21:35.04 | c0rnelius | or makes it's home dir /tmp and create a script that removes it's info |
| 21:35.06 | Emil | c0rnelius: still exists in /etc/passwd |
| 21:35.23 | Emil | I also don't need a homedir even |
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| 21:35.50 | c0rnelius | well yes... but there is no way around this from my understanding. |
| 21:36.06 | Emil | c0rnelius: seems like so :/ |
| 21:36.15 | Emil | perhaps we'll try a custom pam :D |
| 21:36.41 | c0rnelius | k |
| 21:37.36 | jeddi | if the system that regularly overwrites the etc/passwd file is as crufty as *this* box, i'd just put my efforts into modifying that one. |
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| 21:52.26 | ratrace | I'm always amazed by these convoluted Rube Goldberg configurations people have and they think it's just normal. |
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| 21:58.21 | dka | Hello, I'd like to know if the 4g modem included in the X1 Carbon Gen 7, called "Fibocom L850-GL 4G LTE CAT9" is a "EM7565/EM7455/MC7455" chip, this is the product: https://www.busiboutique.com/produit/lenovo-thinkpad-fibocom-l850-gl-cat9-m2-wwan-265433.html |
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| 21:59.45 | Zathras | dka, check with dmidecode or lspci or .... |
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| 22:31.13 | bernyrd | so I tried to remove MATE I install with installer |
| 22:31.17 | bernyrd | and replace with plasma5 |
| 22:31.32 | bernyrd | but startx drops me to a green screen with plasma curosr, and does not start automatically |
| 22:31.47 | bernyrd | I used tasksel to get kde-desktop, and tried to apt install plasma-desktop |
| 22:31.50 | bernyrd | what gives? |
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| 22:34.06 | mureena | why you're starting it with startx in the first place |
| 22:36.09 | Oksana | What does "hibernate:Warning: Tuxonice binary signature file not found." stand for? |
| 22:36.15 | Zathras | kdm would make more sense. This sounds like a broken DM install |
| 22:36.46 | Oksana | Hibernate Script 2.0 |
| 22:38.57 | bluejaypop | where can I download the iso 9.11.0 without X ? I'm creating a custom ISO. I'm trying to find it but no luck in archive section. |
| 22:39.03 | Zathras | Oksana, ddg has plenty of hits |
| 22:39.16 | Oksana | hibernate:Warning: Tuxonice binary signature file not found. ; hibernate: /usr/share/hibernate/scriptlets.d/tuxonice , /etc/hibernate/tuxonice.conf |
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| 22:40.52 | Oksana | Interestingly enough, hibernate and resume from hibernate from, without having resume= line in Grub |
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| 22:42.36 | amrasouli79_ | Hello, How I can install "Firefox developer edition" on Debian 10 (Buster) Linux? |
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| 22:44.02 | Oksana | It's an ancient bug. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545544 But then, it's an ancient package. |
| 22:44.03 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/545544 in hibernate (open, moreinfo, fixed-upstream): «hibernate: Warning: Tuxonice binary signature file not found»; severity: important; opened: 2009-09-08; last modified: 2014-10-18. |
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| 22:44.46 | Oksana | If it's fixed upstream, then where is the newer version of hibernate package? Or how was it fixed? |
| 22:45.32 | somiaj | amrasouli79_: Debian only provides the esr version of firefox. Any other version you'll have to install locally from upstream files. |
| 22:46.09 | somiaj | Oksana: any reason you are using the hibernate package? I thought systemd handeled all this nowdays. |
| 22:46.17 | Unit193 | (With the exception that unstable has $current) |
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| 22:46.39 | somiaj | Unit193: sure, but since this is a stable support channel, we should mention what is appropriate in a stable release |
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| 22:54.02 | Oksana | somiaj: Sure, but I don't like systemd's tendency to do everything. systemd is supposed to be init-only, nothing else. |
| 22:54.20 | Oksana | So, Debian repository has only buggy version of hibernate package https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=hibernate&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
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| 23:14.06 | Oksana | I know that when hibernate happens, it happens for me with s2disk. According to hibernate scriptlets/conf files, that means that disk.conf is in effect. According to hibernate.conf, that means that tuxonice.conf fails, don't know why (perhaps, tuxonice not installed?). Therefore, I can comment out tuxonice, warning will go away, hibernate will happen one second faster, due to not trying tuxonice, everybody wins - except, I would have l |
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| 23:17.07 | Habbie | Oksana, 'except, I would have l' is where your message ended |
| 23:17.44 | Oksana | - except, I would have liked to install tuxonice instead. But then, I don't know whether tuxonice is better than s2disk, or not. |
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| 23:20.06 | Habbie | i did some short reading, and i get the impression you need to build a patched kernel to get tuxonice |
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| 23:22.28 | Oksana | Yes, just like kernel includes s2disk and s2ram usually, and may include s2both |
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| 23:30.58 | bernyrd | so I tried to remove MATE I install with installer and replace with plasma5 but X does not start automatically |
| 23:31.08 | bernyrd | I tried to install using tasksel and also apt, any guidance? |
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| 23:40.35 | grayy_host | #flood |
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| 23:41.29 | somiaj | Oksana: I agree and don't use hibernate, on the supsend side, it has just worked. |
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| 23:42.54 | somiaj | Oksana: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/hibernate this package has only had one update since 2003, I would consider it dead. If it is broken, might be worth elevating that bug to an rc-bug (though maybe it works for some and not others). The only solution I see is removing the package. |
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| 23:43.24 | somiaj | Oksana: sorry, 2012 was the last update, still 7 years old now. |
| 23:43.52 | somiaj | Oksana: you may want to look at the pm-utils package, it also has an hibernat feature that is independent of systemd (this was the more standard tools to use before systemd became default) |
| 23:44.32 | somiaj | (though pm-utils has been orphaned, seems most are just useing the default systemd tools) |
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| 23:48.13 | Oksana | somiaj: Yes, pm-hibernate works. Which means that I can probably uninstall hibernate package. |
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