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| 00:11.51 | jcrypt | Oksana: systemd already handles hibernation. You don't need an extra package. |
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| 00:12.24 | usrdev | can someone lead me to where i can read and learn how to resolve the issue with the slow to ssh on debian 10. |
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| 00:13.25 | jcrypt | usrdev: Slow to log in, slow to start the system/service? |
| 00:14.03 | usrdev | ya, service is slow. maybe a minute or so. i asked yesterday but didn't see how to fix this up to get it resolved |
| 00:14.31 | jcrypt | usrdev: But once it's started, everything works as normal? |
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| 00:14.56 | usrdev | yep! |
| 00:15.00 | usrdev | just slow go |
| 00:15.15 | jcrypt | It might be entropy starvation. Install the haveged package and give it a try. |
| 00:17.37 | karlpinc | usrdev: Is dns slow? (That can sometimes be an issue.) Test with dig. |
| 00:18.06 | jcrypt | DNS doesn't have much to do with the service starting. |
| 00:18.23 | usrdev | yes, i read about that. but is that the way of it or is that a bandaid. what is the actual cause of this. issue wasn't present in 9. |
| 00:18.31 | karlpinc | jcrypt: Oh. I thought you ment on establishing a ssh connection. |
| 00:19.00 | jcrypt | usrdev: If the cause in your case is entropy starvation, then yes, this is the proper fix. |
| 00:19.55 | usrdev | hmm. well, seems this is deb10 based so i would assume those who use it experience the same issue. i'd like to learn why this happens, is there something somewhere that i couldn't find that explains why it's an issue? |
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| 00:20.17 | karlpinc | usrdev: Crank up the logging and see just what it is doing when it is slow. (And it surely could be entropy, in which case yes, haveged is an appropriate fix.) |
| 00:20.17 | usrdev | every fresh install i've done exhibits the same behavior. |
| 00:20.35 | karlpinc | usrdev: Installed on what? |
| 00:21.15 | jcrypt | usrdev: The OpenSSL project introduced changes to the CSPRNG facility that OpenSSH relies on. The OpenSSL CSPRNG seems to be a blocking RNG - requests for random data from the generator simply pause until the generator responds. |
| 00:21.38 | jcrypt | The OpenSSL RNG is likely waiting until the system's entropy pool has sufficient entropy available to satisfy the request. |
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| 00:22.07 | jcrypt | usrdev: Just to make sure this IS the culprit, could you paste the output of a command for me to paste.debian.net? |
| 00:22.21 | usrdev | sure. what is it? |
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| 00:22.51 | jcrypt | systemd-analyze blame | grep ssh |
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| 00:23.04 | jcrypt | Might only be one line. |
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| 00:26.42 | fuxxy | I'm connecting my device to a trunked network interface. While a native vlan is present on the interface, I do not want to use the native "eth0" nic for any networking. How can I disable eth0 while still being able to utilize eth0.100 & eth0.200 ? |
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| 00:29.18 | martigan | Hey guys hope all is well sorry to interupt, quick question, I was playing around with something that installed dnsmasq, I tried apt remove dnsmasq and apt purge dnsmasq and rebooted and I'm still seeing dnsmasq running and listening on 53? Am I missing something? |
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| 00:32.04 | jcrypt | fuxxy: You don't 'disable' the interface. You just don't configure it. |
| 00:32.23 | jcrypt | fuxxy: The only interface configs you should have in /e/n/i are the VLAN interfaces. |
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| 00:34.47 | jabber | I'd like to use a free distribution, like debian, but installing graphics card drivers was always such a nuisance. This should be made easy. |
| 00:35.20 | jcrypt | apt install nvidia-driver? |
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| 00:37.10 | fuxxy | jcrypt, it's not configured. Yet, It's still requesting DHCP on that interface. https://paste.debian.net/1107537/ |
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| 00:37.50 | jcrypt | What's the content of /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:37.57 | jcrypt | Wait, I'm dumb. |
| 00:37.59 | jcrypt | You showed that. |
| 00:38.37 | fuxxy | unless dhcpcd.conf has some builtin configuration, I don't know anywhere else to look. |
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| 00:38.54 | jcrypt | fuxxy: In /etc/network/interfaces, add the following: |
| 00:38.58 | karlpinc | jabber: I hate using the proprietary drivers because I keep my hardware forever and eventually they stop supporting the driver and the hardware does not work. |
| 00:39.00 | jcrypt | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 00:39.03 | jcrypt | iface eth0 inet manual |
| 00:39.05 | jcrypt | And nothing else. |
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| 00:39.10 | fuxxy | alright |
| 00:39.34 | Oksana | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 00:39.38 | karlpinc | jabber: Anyway, if you try debian install using the unoffical images containing non-free firmware. Makes it easier to install and get all the hardware working. |
| 00:39.53 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 00:39.53 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 00:41.03 | karlpinc | martigan: You must not have installed dnsmasq with apt. |
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| 00:41.58 | annadane | karlpinc, though i've seen processes still running after their packages have been removed |
| 00:42.35 | karlpinc | annadane: You're right. Maybe he should kill the process. |
| 00:43.01 | karlpinc | annadane: (Sounds like a bug to me.) |
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| 00:44.13 | annadane | ps aux | grep dnsmasq, kill <pid>, dpkg -l dnsmasq* |
| 00:44.15 | fuxxy | jcrypt, eth0 is still active, with a valid IP. I just checked my DHCP server, and it doesn't appear in the active leases, so it must be static. |
| 00:44.42 | annadane | though dnsmasq in particular may be its own special consideration |
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| 00:44.50 | jcrypt | fuxxy: Because there was no configuration for the interface in /e/n/i when it was brought up, that change will likely not actually do anything while the system is up. You may try restarting it. |
| 00:44.52 | annadane | there's a way of closing ports i forget |
| 00:45.00 | fuxxy | jcrypt, this is after a reboot |
| 00:45.38 | jcrypt | Well, there's nothing in your config that sets an address on that interface. Is any other network management package installed? NetworkManager, etc? I don't know if this is a desktop. |
| 00:45.44 | karlpinc | fuxxy: There is a /etc/apt/interfaces.d/ directory that can contain configuration. |
| 00:46.01 | fuxxy | karl, it's not configured. Yet, It's still requesting DHCP on that interface. https://paste.debian.net/1107537/ |
| 00:46.13 | fuxxy | karlpinc, it's not configured. Yet, It's still requesting DHCP on that interface. https://paste.debian.net/1107537/ |
| 00:46.59 | fuxxy | jcrypt, This is a raspberry PI, running raspbian. No GUI that I'm aware of, although I don't know what all raspbian decided to install. |
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| 00:47.08 | jcrypt | !raspbian |
| 00:47.08 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 00:51.18 | usrdev | root@debian10-template:~# systemd-analyze blame | grep ssh |
| 00:51.19 | usrdev | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.19 | usrdev | root@debian10-template:~# |
| 00:51.28 | usrdev | @jcrypt ^ |
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| 00:52.06 | jcrypt | usrdev: Try installing haveged and see if it helps. |
| 00:53.03 | usrdev | sure did! 312ms ssh.service |
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| 00:53.29 | jcrypt | There you go. |
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| 00:56.29 | jabber | Besides convenience are there differences between installing by downloading a .deb and using dpkg -i, and using "apt install?" For example, are they registered by the package manage differently? Is the uninstallation procedure identical? |
| 00:57.05 | usrdev | @jcrypt thanks for your help! and the info on this issue. ;) |
| 00:57.15 | mutante | jabber: dpkg -i does not pull dependencies and will not get any future security updates, not recommended |
| 00:57.16 | jcrypt | jabber: dpkg does not handle dependency resolution. |
| 00:57.45 | mutante | jabber: dpkg -i is basically unmanaged |
| 00:57.54 | jcrypt | Packages installed via dpkg -i WILL receive security updates via apt update/upgrade IF that package has an installation candidate within the mirrors. |
| 00:58.14 | mutante | right, fair enough |
| 00:58.41 | mutante | often people install .deb's with dpkg -i because it's not on the mirrors. that's what i was thinking of |
| 00:59.10 | jcrypt | jabber: 'apt' is the intended method of human interaction with the package management system. In the majority of cases, you should not be installing packages via dpkg. |
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| 01:07.30 | jabber | If I've already installed a package via apt and and decide to reinstall it (perhaps a different version not available from my mirror) using dpkg -i, then will I effectively have two different versions installed (in different locations)? or will it overwrite the original? |
| 01:08.12 | jcrypt | Installing a package via apt and via dpkg result in the same installation. |
| 01:08.27 | jcrypt | Two packages that differ only in version cannot coexist on one system. |
| 01:09.15 | jcrypt | (Note that some packages have a version as part of their name, like kernels. In that case, because the package name is different, they can coexist.) |
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| 01:17.45 | somiaj | jabber: apt is just a front end to dpkg that also knows where to find packages on the internet, so in the end they all use the same dpkg database. |
| 01:19.37 | jabber | political question: What makes apt/rpm better than the other? (Presumably people here are biased for apt. I haven't used rpm in a while, but I did anecdotally get far more issues with it than apt) |
| 01:19.45 | jcrypt | They both do the job. |
| 01:20.25 | doughy | I think rpms are installed through yum and apt is debians version of yum |
| 01:20.51 | doughy | in my experience yum is limited |
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| 01:22.20 | jabber | what is the largest single difference between debian and non-debian based distributions? the package manager? |
| 01:22.38 | jcrypt | The package manager and some of the administrative methods. |
| 01:22.46 | doughy | debian has been around for a long time and hasn't and doesn't change often |
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| 01:24.50 | kamd | newer package versions than debian, arch, manjaro, tumbleweed, on and on |
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| 01:25.47 | jcrypt | eh? |
| 01:26.34 | somiaj | jabber: probably not that much these days, I'm sure the core of dpkg vs rpm is quite different, but in the end they offer about the same functionality. |
| 01:26.56 | somiaj | in the early days of 'rpm hell', .deb and debian based had better dependcy chains/resolution |
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| 01:28.17 | somiaj | One main advantage I can think of .deb based distros, is I still think they are the main one that allowed an upgrade in place. rpm/yum don't. |
| 01:28.24 | somiaj | (though yum does have some nice features not in apt) |
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| 01:34.04 | somiaj | jabber: When choosing a distro, things to consider, 1) Software and versions of software avaiable in the distros packages, 2) Release Cycle (some like stable software that doesn't change that often, others want newer software quickly), 3) support community. |
| 01:36.54 | jcrypt | somiaj: That is a general statement that is actually incorrect. |
| 01:37.07 | jcrypt | The package manager does not determine whether or not a distro can be upgraded in place. See also "Fedora."\ |
| 01:37.16 | jcrypt | fedup has been there for a while. |
| 01:37.37 | kamd | He kinda sounds like a noob no offence, probably linux mint would be good for him. |
| 01:37.47 | jcrypt | kamd: That's not helpful. |
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| 01:41.10 | somiaj | jcrypt: ahh, I haven't seen fedora in a while, I just mess with centos, and haven't seen the inplace upgrade like debian. But thanks for the correction. |
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| 01:44.32 | kamd | was just saying, debian kinda sucks for new users being it lacks allot out of the box leaving a new users quite a bit to figure out on there own especially if they have newer hardware old kernel, firmware. |
| 01:46.09 | doughy | for new users that are interested in debian ubuntu is good |
| 01:46.10 | somiaj | depends, I personallly was glad I started with debian, and debian users get #debian to help. |
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| 01:46.26 | jcrypt | doughy: Ubuntu isn't Debian. If they want to try Debian, try Debian. |
| 01:46.37 | doughy | ubuntu was based of debian |
| 01:46.43 | jcrypt | Based off != is. |
| 01:46.45 | doughy | or IS |
| 01:47.13 | jcrypt | My first Linux experience was getting Red Hat Linux working on a crappy Dell laptop. Was still the 2.4 kernel days. |
| 01:47.19 | doughy | mine too jcrypt |
| 01:47.26 | doughy | red hat was legit back in the day |
| 01:47.36 | jcrypt | Using NDISwrapper to get my PCMCIA 802.11b WLAN card working. |
| 01:47.42 | doughy | getting x to work gave me a chub |
| 01:47.49 | somiaj | I would use was, ubuntu due to its funding has diverged quite a bit, there is a lot of carry over in packages, but the core is way different. |
| 01:48.37 | doughy | mandrake was (i dont' know if it's still around) really good for beginners |
| 01:49.51 | kamd | i dont think it is, i think it forked off into something else |
| 01:50.01 | doughy | I'll look that up |
| 01:50.01 | somiaj | mandrake is what made me run to debian, it forced me to use a gui, and I didn't want to. |
| 01:50.11 | doughy | same here somiaj |
| 01:50.14 | annadane | debian doesn't strike me as not good for new users at all, unless they do need the firmware for wifi or something |
| 01:50.22 | annadane | debian is less likely to break than most other distros... |
| 01:50.59 | doughy | debian is what I use exclusively. I talk to a guy that works for docker and they use ubuntu for everything |
| 01:51.14 | doughy | that's why I went to ubuntu for a short time but I like plain old debian better |
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| 01:51.45 | somiaj | annadane: most people who say that I think are thinking of debian 10 years ago, debian provides a much more default user experience than it use to. The non-free firmware/gpu drivers are the biggest hurdle for new users. |
| 01:52.43 | h0n3ycl0ud | annadane, i'm with somiaj |
| 01:52.55 | nb-ben | debian's stable releases are slower than Ubuntu's I think |
| 01:53.06 | nb-ben | what I mean is you expect to have older packages in debian stable |
| 01:53.11 | h0n3ycl0ud | i know an 80 year old that can't work a flip phone that can work debian |
| 01:53.21 | doughy | haha |
| 01:53.21 | h0n3ycl0ud | and does so to check his email |
| 01:53.52 | doughy | debian hasn't changed much in the years it's been around |
| 01:54.05 | doughy | there's so much crap out there that keeps confusing its users |
| 01:54.18 | somiaj | nb-ben: yea, every 2-3 years vs every 6 months. |
| 01:54.29 | somiaj | nb-ben: though ubuntu's LTS is about 1-2 years. |
| 01:54.36 | annadane | of all the linxuses and bsd's debian is the *only* thing i would recommend to newbies |
| 01:55.06 | doughy | I do like FreeBSD but don't use it because of family politics |
| 01:55.09 | h0n3ycl0ud | annadane: I missed a 'not' in your sentence I should have said I'm with you and somiaj |
| 01:55.11 | annadane | read wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian and you basically know most of the system, that and some basic apt syntax |
| 01:55.34 | doughy | debian is the rawest form of linux. it's stable and doesn't change that often |
| 01:56.01 | h0n3ycl0ud | stable like, bedrock |
| 01:56.08 | somiaj | I think debian is a good choice for those who want to learn how to admin their system. This isn't for everyone. |
| 01:56.10 | doughy | hah....yeah it is |
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| 01:56.20 | kamd | hum yeah I haven't used dedian in 10+ years, for me now I use nothing but distros that have a rolling release model just makes more sense to me or it's what I perfer to use. |
| 01:56.28 | h0n3ycl0ud | idk it's pretty trivial to remotely/automatically administrate for a debian user |
| 01:56.57 | h0n3ycl0ud | i'm not sure how much admin-ing is truly required of the average user, say with a pre-installed preconfigured setup |
| 01:57.21 | nb-ben | recent software is a big deal for a lot of users |
| 01:57.39 | nb-ben | which is a good reason not to use debian, and instead use ubuntu |
| 01:58.06 | h0n3ycl0ud | ubuntu is not so much free software |
| 01:58.13 | h0n3ycl0ud | which is a good reason to use debian |
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| 01:58.30 | nb-ben | with that said, debian stable's strict release cycle is the best thing if you don't require the latest and greatest. |
| 01:58.50 | doughy | slackware is good too but the package management kept it from progressing |
| 01:58.50 | annadane | where are autostart things stored again? |
| 01:58.53 | h0n3ycl0ud | nb-ben, that is the only real complaint I have about debian |
| 01:59.01 | nb-ben | the free activist stuff is hardly a concern for most of the users regardless of how big of a deal it is to the activists that support the OS |
| 01:59.13 | h0n3ycl0ud | it is to us hippies |
| 01:59.26 | h0n3ycl0ud | we all dig it |
| 01:59.38 | h0n3ycl0ud | once we're educated that is... |
| 02:00.01 | kamd | lesson 1 nothing in life is free :D |
| 02:00.19 | doughy | at least they're not taxing oxygen |
| 02:00.24 | nb-ben | once you're educated, you understand that there's not a lot that you can do |
| 02:00.28 | annadane | i thought debian had an .autostart where .desktop files get populated |
| 02:00.28 | h0n3ycl0ud | it's not free like 'free instead of $10' it's free like 'free instead of enslaved' |
| 02:00.28 | nb-ben | there's a lot that you can't do... |
| 02:00.31 | annadane | where is it? |
| 02:02.09 | h0n3ycl0ud | nb-ben: idk system76 is a thing |
| 02:02.27 | kamd | Thats a good question does debian have slaves working as package maintainers |
| 02:03.00 | h0n3ycl0ud | were the founding fathers of the USA paid for their time or did they work for the betterment of all mankind |
| 02:03.03 | h0n3ycl0ud | ? |
| 02:03.20 | annadane | nvm |
| 02:04.03 | h0n3ycl0ud | kamd, in other words, not really |
| 02:04.14 | kamd | lol |
| 02:06.40 | warsoul | how can i check the users i have on my pc? |
| 02:06.50 | jcrypt | By looking at the /etc/passwd file. |
| 02:06.55 | doughy | who |
| 02:07.08 | jcrypt | That's for logged in users. For all users, /etc/passwd. |
| 02:10.49 | betelgeuseorion | https://paste.debian.net/1107546/ |
| 02:10.52 | warsoul | the users are /home/**** |
| 02:10.53 | warsoul | ? |
| 02:11.57 | nb-ben | no these are not the users |
| 02:12.09 | nb-ben | these are home directories of users that might exist, or might no longer exist |
| 02:12.19 | nb-ben | there might also be users who's home directories are not located under /home |
| 02:12.58 | doughy | the username is the first field in passwd |
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| 02:13.19 | betelgeuseorion | https://paste.debian.net/1107547/ |
| 02:13.28 | themill | ITYM "getent passwd" |
| 02:14.20 | warsoul | whats the command to delete a username and home directory completely |
| 02:14.53 | dvs | there'd the real question |
| 02:15.04 | dvs | there's |
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| 02:15.37 | themill | !man deluser |
| 02:15.37 | dpkg | man deluser is probably at http://manpages.debian.org/deluser where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>. |
| 02:16.23 | doughy | cat /etc/passwd | cut -d : -f 1 |
| 02:16.30 | doughy | that will give you all users in the passwd file |
| 02:16.48 | betelgeuseorion | pleease |
| 02:17.07 | jcrypt | betelgeuseorion: What are you asking for? |
| 02:17.45 | betelgeuseorion | jcrypt: apt-clone looks like not working |
| 02:18.22 | jcrypt | Not working is incredibly vague. What did you do, what did you expect to happen, what actually happened? |
| 02:18.53 | betelgeuseorion | jcrypt: is in the pastebin |
| 02:19.23 | jcrypt | betelgeuseorion: To be blunt: If you can't be arsed to summarize the issue, we can't be arsed to parse your stuff and figure out what you're asking for. |
| 02:20.34 | jcrypt | betelgeuseorion: That said... |
| 02:20.40 | betelgeuseorion | i apologize there is a mild file created despite the scary messages |
| 02:20.51 | jcrypt | Português é sua lÃngua nativa? |
| 02:21.59 | betelgeuseorion | jcrypt: why? do you prefer portuguese? |
| 02:22.26 | jcrypt | No, I was just going to say that if you're more comfortable with Portuguese, I THINK there's a channel for that. |
| 02:22.29 | jcrypt | !br |
| 02:22.30 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:23.49 | betelgeuseorion | ok |
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| 02:41.10 | betelgeuseorion | much more stimulation in a foreing language, ##debian-br is empty |
| 02:41.56 | betelgeuseorion | gonna sleep soon |
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| 02:45.03 | s0da | hi |
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| 02:46.08 | betelgeuseorion | https://paste.debian.net/1107548/ |
| 02:48.06 | s0da | what are the most compelling advantages of debian, as opposed to ubuntu/similar? (could i theoretically download all the necessary utils/apps [and drivers!] from the/a repository (from source, prefereably), to make my 1. Wireless NIC card, 2. Soundcard, and 3. Graphics card work? what about codecs & frameworks, so i can watch MP4 & Youtube videos, and listen to MP3s/Oggs/FLACs? |
| 02:49.24 | s0da | (the reason i ask this question, is because: by default, my gentoo install CANNOT do any of those things! It reminds me of booting up in "safe mode" on a windows 95 OS!) |
| 02:49.53 | betelgeuseorion | i will backup the F* all and use the apt-clone |
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| 02:51.38 | dvs | s0da, debian packages are more likely to work and keep working. The disadvantage to that is that the packages are not the latest version. |
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| 02:57.03 | s0da | dvs: ok. so waht CAN I do and what CANT I do if I install a pure debian system? (I mean, straight outta-the-box?) |
| 02:58.09 | doughy | you could take over the world |
| 02:58.37 | s0da | doughy: lol. that takes time dont give away my plan |
| 02:58.42 | doughy | haha |
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| 02:59.04 | dvs | s0da, There's a firmware version of the installer that will make WiFi easier to set up. Nvidia graphics cards are hard to set up but AMDs are easier. |
| 02:59.35 | s0da | doughy: actually, its spelled "mwahaha". you gotta put the "mwa" part... :) |
| 02:59.45 | doughy | I'll confirm that. the wifi setup is tricky and you need to have a wired network to install the tools needed to install wifi |
| 03:00.01 | doughy | ok soda |
| 03:00.07 | doughy | I'm gonna make a sandwich. brb |
| 03:00.11 | s0da | dvs: well. |
| 03:00.24 | dvs | doughy, not if you use the firmware image. |
| 03:01.11 | doughy | I'm not familiar with that |
| 03:01.18 | doughy | is there an iso? |
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| 03:01.27 | dvs | !firmware iso |
| 03:01.27 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 03:01.38 | s0da | i just wanna make sure i can get a resolution that isnt potato quality. (note: i still have my proprietary drivers for my NIC, graphicscard, and soundcard, but they all have Windows installers.) |
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| 03:01.54 | s0da | i dont want a 240x120 desktop resolution |
| 03:02.45 | s0da | and i wanna get sound out of my soundcard and be able to go online, too |
| 03:03.11 | s0da | what is the bare minimum i would have to do, to be able to do that on a fresh install of a pure debian? |
| 03:03.13 | dvs | Sound is usually not a problem. |
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| 03:04.06 | s0da | dvs: ok. thats good |
| 03:05.22 | s0da | can i somehow USE the drivers from my CDs, even though they have installers for a WINDOWS system? is there a way? (to just grab the driver *itself*?) |
| 03:06.03 | dvs | probably not |
| 03:06.40 | s0da | dvs: damn rly? i thought drivers were "low level"? so you mean the OS is critically important WRT? |
| 03:07.05 | s0da | *ducks, in case my question was stupid* |
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| 03:07.39 | dvs | absolutely. drivers are specific to an OS. |
| 03:08.04 | dvs | There could be a compatibiliy wrapper but it won't be available during the installation. |
| 03:09.26 | s0da | ok. well, u guys have been helpful. thank you very much dvs and doughy o/ |
| 03:09.52 | dvs | o/ |
| 03:12.03 | s0da | my only remaining question at this point is as follows: if i were to install a fresh, vanilla debian, whatis the bare minimum i will then need to do (if ANYTHING) to get the best graphics outta my graphics card, sound outta my soundcard, and USB wireless NIC connectivity to the internet? are there "non-proprietary" drivers for those 3 things included on most Live-DVD ISOs? and if not, could i easilty "apt-get install" those things from Debian's of |
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| 03:12.28 | s0da | *easily |
| 03:12.55 | dvs | s0da, it depends on your exact graphics, WiFi, and soundcard. |
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| 03:14.06 | s0da | dvs: Graphics: nVidia PNY, Sound: M-AUDIO Audiophile, NIC: Linksys Wireless USB G |
| 03:14.52 | s0da | mobo: Fatal1ty AN8 SLI socket 939 |
| 03:15.10 | s0da | CPU: AMD 64 2.4 gh |
| 03:15.13 | s0da | dual core |
| 03:16.20 | dvs | s0da, I've never worked with Nvidia so I don't know about that and without exact model numbers I can't tell. |
| 03:16.37 | nb-ben | s0da: you will need the proprietary nvidia drivers |
| 03:17.16 | nb-ben | but why does this even matter, it's not like you have an open alternative elsewhere. |
| 03:17.30 | s0da | i never SAID that it mattered |
| 03:17.54 | s0da | nb-ben: but the guys above said that my proprietary installer wont work on linux |
| 03:18.00 | nb-ben | I wouldn't know what you say, I can't hear you. But you did mention this in your writing. |
| 03:18.13 | dvs | ??? |
| 03:18.19 | s0da | nb-ben: what are you talking about, nb ben? |
| 03:18.33 | s0da | what does i wouldnt know what you say mean? |
| 03:18.44 | s0da | what do you mean you cant hear me? |
| 03:19.17 | s0da | nb-ben: yes, I KNOW i mentioned that in my writing. try to keep up, kid. are you a troll? |
| 03:19.20 | nb-ben | I don't know how to put this any more bluntly |
| 03:19.32 | s0da | nb-ben: you havent said one useful thing, son |
| 03:20.30 | nb-ben | good luck, tough guy! |
| 03:20.31 | nb-ben | lol |
| 03:22.13 | s0da | nb-ben: YOU are the one talking all the trash fool |
| 03:22.29 | s0da | lurks |
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| 03:28.28 | timir | hello all |
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| 03:37.05 | timir | Please could someone point me in the right direction, I tried updating the sudo package by downloading the sudo deb file and it won't work now |
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| 03:41.07 | OerHeks | just hit updates, sudo fix is out |
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| 03:43.59 | timir | i had this version Installed: 1.8.19p1-2.1+deb9u1 |
| 03:44.28 | ayew | you want 1.8.27-1+deb10u1 [Security] |
| 03:44.46 | ayew | are you on jessie or earlier? |
| 03:45.20 | somiaj | timir: by downloading the sudo packaeg? How are you downloading the sudo package? Where did you get this sudo package? |
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| 03:45.57 | timir | I was on stretch but I forgot and thought I was on Buster so tried to download 1.8.27-1+deb10u1.deb and I messed up :( |
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| 03:46.20 | somiaj | but why are you downloading debs manually and not using apt? |
| 03:46.34 | somiaj | apt (provided you use a sane sources.list) knows which package to download and install. |
| 03:46.43 | timir | My silliness |
| 03:46.48 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 03:46.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 03:47.25 | timir | is there a way to revert back coz i cannot use sudo at all |
| 03:47.29 | somiaj | ^^ that is a good read, and if you have apt installed, run 'apt policy sudo', then get the version of the package for stretch, and then run 'apt install sudo=<version>' where you copy/pasted the version from the previous line. |
| 03:47.45 | somiaj | since you can't use sudo, you'll have to become root |
| 03:48.49 | ayew | btw - the version of sudo with the fix (1.8.19p1-2.1+deb9u1) is in stretch/updates. |
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| 03:49.57 | ayew | it should come up with apt policy sudo or apt-cache madison sudo provided your sources/preferences are set up correctly |
| 03:50.09 | timir | I have disabled root login on my vps |
| 03:54.05 | timir | Am I locked out now |
| 03:54.30 | somiaj | timir: if you can't use sudo or su to become root, yes, you'll have to get access to your drive via some other way to give you root powers. |
| 03:54.51 | timir | this is on a digital ocean droplet |
| 03:55.19 | somiaj | You might have to contact digital ocean or see if they have a serial terminal you can use to attach to the system as root. |
| 03:55.47 | somiaj | The only ways I know of require being able to access the virtual harddisk or being able to control how the vm boots. |
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| 04:13.38 | Eloc | #flood |
| 04:13.48 | somiaj | hands Eloc a /j |
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| 04:25.03 | Epakai | i'm trying to do a dual gpu setup (amdgpu+nouveau). In my Xorg.0.log I see a lot of modeset, but nothing for nouveau. amdgpu is working fine, but I have garbled or black output on nvidia card (only cursor renders correctly). Is Xorg supposed to be loading modeset instead of nouveau? |
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| 04:26.39 | Epakai | http://paste.debian.net/1107558 is Xorg.0.log|grep modeset |
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| 04:27.56 | somiaj | Hmm, I wonder if both the nouveau and amdgpu kms moduels can be loaded at the same time |
| 04:28.06 | somiaj | Epakai: lsmod -- do you see nouveau and amdgpu loaded? |
| 04:28.41 | somiaj | also 'dmesg | grep -i nouvea' -- do you see any warnings/errors assoicated with the kernel module |
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| 04:31.20 | Epakai | yes, both are loaded. lsmod http://paste.debian.net/1107559 dmesg http://paste.debian.net/1107560 i don't see any issue there |
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| 04:46.11 | diogenes_ | Epakai, DRI_PRIME=1 glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer" |
| 04:47.41 | Epakai | OpenGL renderer string: AMD RAVEN (DRM 3.27.0, 4.19.0-6-amd64, LLVM 7.0.1) |
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| 04:48.42 | towo^work | Epakai, from your incomplete dmesg, you have you have at least 1 kernel oops, yhoich you have filtered out |
| 04:49.20 | towo^work | *which you have filtered out |
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| 04:54.52 | Epakai | diogenes_: sorry, that was incorrect. tried nouveau.modeset=0 on that boot. DRI_PRIME=0 is AMD RAVEN, DRI_PRIME=1 is "OpenGL renderer string: NV98" |
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| 04:54.52 | diogenes_ | Epakai, then it's working. |
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| 05:02.47 | somiaj | some desktops/mw may just use the default black background on the other monitor, and you would see the mouse cursur, not sure what you meant by garbled though |
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| 05:10.28 | Epakai | i guess for some definiton of working it is right now, but the nouveau displays still have rendering issues. Running glxgears on 2 nouveau displays and the 1 amdgpu display drops them to ~45 fps. Is this the correct way to set it up via xrandr? http://paste.debian.net/1107572 |
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| 05:12.45 | diogenes_ | Epakai, by default nouveau is put in the lower power state and thus, the performance suck, there is a trick to boost its performance, add this to the boot parameters: nouveau.config=NvClkMode=15 and see how many FPS you get after reboot. |
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| 05:15.14 | Epakai | i'm not getting the black or totally garbled image this time, but there are some weird redraws when a terminal is spawned and typing gets rendered like this https://imgur.com/a/npyk1Pn on the nouveau displays. i'll give that a shot |
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| 05:28.56 | veek | pan 0.145 seems to be completely broken on debian .. telnet news.eternal-september.org 119 AUTHINFO USER veekm works for me but not in pan https://i.imgur.com/HS2Y8I6.png https://i.imgur.com/NzYgNvN.png |
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| 05:48.14 | darxmurf | comming back about my USB mount issue. I upgraded a bunch of machines from stretch to buster. On a few of them, users can't mount USB storage anymore from XFCE desktop. It was fine before the upgrade. Storage is detected and displayed on desktop but throw an error when double click on it "Failed to mount "key" Not authorized to perform operation" |
| 05:48.22 | darxmurf | http://paste.debian.net/1107573/ |
| 05:50.18 | diogenes_ | darxmurf, try a new user. |
| 05:50.26 | darxmurf | tried already |
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| 05:51.14 | darxmurf | Yesterday I took one of the machine still running stretch, everything was fine. Then upgraded to buster and it's not working anymore. |
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| 05:51.53 | darxmurf | The only thing during the update, apt stopped while updating libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0:amd64 because of a conflict or something |
| 05:52.17 | darxmurf | I then dpkg -r libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0:amd64 and apt install -f to continue |
| 05:52.47 | jelly | Emil: pam is not relevant for existence or nonexistence of a user, that's libc resolver's library thing, so, you can setup any of the dozen additional nss modules for additional passwd/shadow sources. This is also how ldap/nis/kerberos is set up. Do and "apt-cache search libnss file" |
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| 07:13.58 | no_gravity | Good Morning! |
| 07:14.02 | no_gravity | Anybody good with Bash? I wonder why this only outputs "Sue": names=( Sue Joe Tim ); for name in $names; do echo $name; done; |
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| 07:19.24 | no_gravity | Figured it out! names=( Sue Joe Tim ); for name in "${names[@]}"; do echo $name; done; |
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| 07:24.03 | jelly | no_gravity: people in #bash tend to be good with it |
| 07:24.25 | no_gravity | Yeah, but also a bit hard to deal with :) |
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| 08:13.20 | deadmarshal | I can't write with the changed input in ibus in some places like telegram or other apps. but it works in chrome browser. what is the problem? |
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| 08:25.15 | ubuking | hey |
| 08:25.16 | ubuking | help |
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| 08:27.53 | darxmurf | if you feel like you are in a debug mood: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/547215/cant-mount-usb-storage-after-debian-upgrade-to-buster |
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| 08:29.51 | annadane | ubuking, yes? |
| 08:29.57 | annadane | !ask |
| 08:29.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 08:30.07 | ubuking | i have a PC amd ryzen 3900x |
| 08:30.15 | ubuking | can i install Debian ? or too old |
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| 08:31.23 | annadane | um... that's not "old". it may be too *new*, though |
| 08:31.29 | ubuking | no i mean |
| 08:31.31 | ubuking | Debian tooo old |
| 08:31.46 | annadane | right, it may be too new of hardware to install debian on, i'm not sure |
| 08:31.49 | ubuking | Should i use Debian stable or sid ? |
| 08:32.06 | annadane | i'd wait for someone else to answer, i'm not good at questions like this |
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| 08:32.26 | BarrieButsers | Hi how can i reconfigure network settings in debian. I have to manually do "dhclient" after boot, otherwise i don`t have connection.. |
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| 08:33.13 | darxmurf | I always install testing on my computers, I keep stable for production servers |
| 08:33.26 | ubuking | ok |
| 08:33.27 | ubuking | where dcan i |
| 08:33.32 | ubuking | where can i download testing Image ? |
| 08:33.38 | ubuking | only find stable image !:D |
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| 08:34.41 | ubuking | thanks in advance darxmurf |
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| 08:37.48 | annadane | there are some 'installing debian on ..." wiki pages but that's basically the extent of my knowledge of these things |
| 08:38.17 | ubuking | darxmurf https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ ? |
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| 08:41.32 | ubuking | somebody tooo help?? |
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| 08:43.34 | brokencycle | Hello! I am wrestling with a portable disk, which I am trying to mount on a Buster machine. |
| 08:44.03 | brokencycle | lsblk only lists the disk as 'sda', but sfdik -l says it has one partion 'sda1' of type GPT. |
| 08:44.30 | Habbie | brokencycle, how about gdisk? |
| 08:44.37 | brokencycle | But no matter how I want to address the disk, as sda or sda1, other tools complain that the partition does not exist. |
| 08:44.54 | ubuking | habbie can you help me ? |
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| 08:45.05 | Habbie | hmm, sfdisk -l lists my GPT partitions just fine |
| 08:45.13 | brokencycle | ok... |
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| 08:45.29 | Habbie | ubuking, you already found it |
| 08:45.39 | ubuking | is it the Right Image ?? |
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| 08:45.50 | Habbie | ubuking, yes |
| 08:45.57 | netcrash | Red Hat has rd.break to place in grub boot so it will go just to initramfs, is there anything like that for debian? |
| 08:45.58 | ubuking | thanks |
| 08:46.15 | ubuking | and you would recommend me to use TESTING too? Habbie |
| 08:46.27 | Zathras | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.30 | Habbie | ubuking, no |
| 08:46.34 | Habbie | ubuking, i would not recommend that |
| 08:46.41 | ubuking | ok what do you recommend me Habbie |
| 08:46.44 | ubuking | for my p |
| 08:46.44 | Habbie | ubuking, stable |
| 08:46.45 | ubuking | pc |
| 08:46.47 | ubuking | thanks |
| 08:47.30 | annadane | he's asking whether the ryzen 3900x is too new for debian |
| 08:47.32 | brokencycle | Habbie: gdisk seems to be the answer. I have no idea how it came to be that the GPT partition table is now allegedly damaged. |
| 08:47.37 | annadane | and i didn't know the answer |
| 08:47.42 | Habbie | brokencycle, ah :( |
| 08:47.44 | annadane | it feels like the answer should be yes |
| 08:47.50 | brokencycle | Not quite sure how to proceed from here, though. :( |
| 08:48.04 | ubuking | ok buz |
| 08:48.05 | ubuking | but |
| 08:48.09 | Habbie | brokencycle, how big is the portable disk? how much free space do you have in some useful place? |
| 08:48.12 | ubuking | i have a Intel dual core E8400 PC tooâ¦. |
| 08:48.23 | ubuking | i migh´t install there |
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| 08:48.28 | brokencycle | It is a 4t, but I initially created only a 2T partition. |
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| 08:48.51 | annadane | i was looking on amd's website and it apparently was released in 2019 |
| 08:48.59 | ubuking | yes |
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| 08:49.05 | ubuking | ist brand new |
| 08:49.09 | annadane | so that may be too new, i just don't know how to check |
| 08:49.12 | Habbie | brokencycle, and presumably you care about the data on it? |
| 08:49.31 | ubuking | annadane no Problem i have a Intel Core2Duo E8400 |
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| 08:49.36 | Habbie | ubuking, just try it |
| 08:49.40 | ubuking | With 4 GB Memory |
| 08:50.04 | brokencycle | Yes - it has backups on it, which I want to use. |
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| 08:51.06 | Habbie | brokencycle, bah |
| 08:51.10 | Habbie | brokencycle, i have no immediate advice, sorry |
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| 08:52.13 | brokencycle | Habbie: Thank you for your help so far, anyway! |
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| 09:03.20 | BarrieButsers | Zathras, i don`t have networkmanager installed, it seems not in repo |
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| 09:06.52 | BarrieButsers | Zathras, it was working fine before, but i replaced motherboard (new lan interface onboard comapred to old motherboard) and now things seem to be broken |
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| 09:07.45 | ratrace | BarrieButsers: is your network configured via /etc/network/interfaces ? See if the NIC name is correct |
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| 09:07.59 | brokencycle | Habbie: Why would gdisk complain that the disk is only half as big as it is? Any chances that there may be a 4k/512e type of a problem? |
| 09:08.34 | BarrieButsers | ratrace, how do I check NIC name? |
| 09:08.41 | Habbie | brokencycle, good question, i have no idea |
| 09:08.49 | Habbie | brokencycle, can you try the disk on another machine? perhaps the one that wrote it? |
| 09:09.06 | ratrace | BarrieButsers: `ip link` will list visible network interfaces |
| 09:09.35 | brokencycle | Habbie: nope... that machine has broken down (MB problem, apparently), which is one reason why I want to access the disk. |
| 09:09.57 | Habbie | brokencycle, ugh |
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| 09:10.07 | brokencycle | The disk itself is new, so... |
| 09:10.51 | brokencycle | Habbie: you nailed it! |
| 09:11.18 | BarrieButsers | ratrace, i see now ip link: enp8s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> an in /etc/network/interfaces it says iface enp7s0 inet dhcp |
| 09:12.09 | BarrieButsers | ratrace, can i just manually edit that file, and replace name of correct interface? |
| 09:13.54 | Zathras | BarrieButsers, without networkmanager you have more control |
| 09:14.05 | Zathras | check logs |
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| 09:18.42 | ratrace | BarrieButsers: yes, you can do that |
| 09:19.17 | BarrieButsers | ratrace and Zathras, i`ll give that a try then, thanks for the help |
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| 09:37.22 | gidna | hello |
| 09:37.30 | gidna | I've to extract a .rar file |
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| 09:38.12 | humpled | you poor thing |
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| 09:39.52 | gidna | have I to install urar? |
| 09:41.05 | ratrace | gidna: unrar, yea |
| 09:41.36 | ratrace | unrar or unrar-free, pick your poison |
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| 09:44.41 | gidna | isn't the command unrar -x file.rar? |
| 09:45.11 | colo-work | iirc, it is "unrar x <yourfilenamehere>" |
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| 09:45.20 | colo-work | (they don't use getopt-style options...) |
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| 09:45.52 | ratrace | gidna: surely there's a manpage |
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| 09:46.21 | gidna | colo-work, thanks |
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| 09:56.19 | brokencycle | Zatras: Interesting point. For a long time, I did not use NetworkManager for exactly this reason, but do you have any idea why, on some occasions, NetworkManager would establish a connection, when eg. wicd wouldn't? |
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| 10:10.00 | Zathras | brokencycle, not sure, but it could be that NM retries iirc to reestablish wifi connections |
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| 10:12.01 | Zathras | which *can be* an advantage for slow/less reliable networks. But can also be a nuisance as it can drain battery |
| 10:13.45 | Zathras | or can produce hickups in network traffic and services |
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| 10:23.27 | annadane | hickups?! hiccups! |
| 10:24.36 | ubuking | annadane thanks for your help |
| 10:24.38 | ubuking | before |
| 10:24.43 | ubuking | I just go to insttall DEBIAN !:D |
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| 10:25.22 | annadane | oh good, hope it works |
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| 10:37.25 | annadane | i need to buy AMD someday myself |
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| 10:52.55 | Emil | jelly: alrighty, lessee |
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| 10:54.01 | kakashi_ | i use parrot 5.2 virsion and gimp is always crashed |
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| 10:57.34 | annadane | kakashi_, unfortunately we can't really help you here |
| 10:57.37 | annadane | !parrot |
| 10:57.37 | dpkg | Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrotsec on Freenode, the community pages https://docs.parrotsec.org/community, or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 10:58.57 | Emil | jelly: that might be exactly what I'm after |
| 10:59.00 | Emil | libnss-extrausers that is |
| 10:59.05 | Emil | jelly: thanks! |
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| 10:59.25 | jelly | Emil: I have no experience with that one, but libnss-db works fine |
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| 11:00.53 | Emil | jelly: do you know if there's a simple tutorial on libnss-db? |
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| 11:08.32 | jelly | Emil: not really. I just cd /var/lib/misc, read the Makefile there, edit /etc/default/libnss-db and set up a cron job (our secondary passwd/shadow are populated from elsewhere) |
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| 11:24.37 | funabashi | Hi if i want to send files to lets say 10 nix machines, what is an easy way of doing that? |
| 11:25.38 | colo-work | look at the "flamethrower" package in Debian |
| 11:27.27 | darxmurf | bouncing my question if somebody can help: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/547215/cant-mount-usb-storage-after-debian-upgrade-to-buster |
| 11:27.30 | darxmurf | thanks in advance |
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| 11:43.32 | karlpinc` | funabashi: Either scp or rsync. |
| 11:44.00 | karlpinc` | funabashi: Or something like ansible if you plan on doing this regularly. |
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| 11:45.12 | funabashi | karlpinc`: is tehre any way i can hide the password with these tools? |
| 11:45.24 | funabashi | dont want it to be stored in a file in clear text |
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| 11:47.40 | karlpinc` | funabashi: With ssh you use a public/private key. See AUTHORIZED_KEYS FILE FORMAT in 'man sshd'. rsync and ansible use ssh for a transport so this works with them too. |
| 11:49.11 | gie | hi, what is the right way to get the current certbot/letsencrypt client for debian 9? the current version 0.28.0-1~deb9u2 has the acme v1 error. i can't find any buster-backport version, is this right? |
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| 11:50.07 | karlpinc | gie: I thought backports for stretch had a version with the bug fixed. Am I wrong? |
| 11:50.15 | karlpinc | gie: Do not mix releases. |
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| 11:51.07 | colo-work | stretch-backports did have a new certbot available |
| 11:51.09 | karlpinc | gie: Also check the changelog before assuming that the bug is not fixed in stretch. |
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| 11:51.48 | jelly | ,v certbot |
| 11:51.49 | judd | Package: certbot on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 0.28.0-1~bpo9+1; stretch: 0.28.0-1~deb9u2; stretch-updates: 0.28.0-1~deb9u2; buster: 0.31.0-1; bullseye: 0.39.0-1; sid: 0.39.0-1 |
| 11:51.55 | eypo | gie: gie: https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/p/python-certbot/python-certbot_0.28.0-1~deb9u2_changelog |
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| 11:52.51 | holgersson | Hi, Iâm running debian testing with KDE Plasma 5 and obviously broke the authentication process in "apper": |
| 11:52.52 | holgersson | "apper.lib: errorCode: PackageKit::Transaction::Error(ErrorNotAuthorized) "Failed to obtain authentication." |
| 11:52.52 | holgersson | Can someone point me to the place of the missing/broken configuration or the missing package? |
| 11:53.01 | jcrypt | !testing |
| 11:53.01 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <bullseye>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <buster->bullseye> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 11:53.23 | gie | # apt show certbot: Package: certbot Version: 0.28.0-1~deb9u2 |
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| 11:53.33 | gie | still get the acme v1 error |
| 11:53.40 | jcrypt | That's not the backport. |
| 11:53.57 | holgersson | jcrypt: Thanks for the hint, but it also occured in debian 10 before, so I think it fits fine here aswell :-) |
| 11:54.08 | Rovanion | On a computer with 2 sockets and processors: Does anyone know if the kernel tries to keep all memory belonging to a process on the memory sticks belonging to a single processor and subsequently schedules that process onto the same processor? |
| 11:54.18 | jcrypt | holgersson: You're running testing. There's a channel for that on OFTC. |
| 11:54.53 | jcrypt | Rovanion: I think that's NUMA... |
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| 11:55.19 | eypo | Rovanion: check package numactl |
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| 11:55.23 | jcrypt | That one. |
| 11:55.30 | Rovanion | Thank you! |
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| 11:56.24 | Doxin | ratrace, phogg, SerajewelKS, somiaj and others: thanks a bunch for the help over the last couple of days! I've got a (mostly) working image and a toolchain that builds it now, much to be done but this is an exciting sight: https://i.imgur.com/VCs26A7.jpg , I wouldn't have gotten this far without y'all. |
| 11:56.32 | holgersson | jcrypt: Again, I had the issue exactly when I was on Debian 10 on another machine, so please see my question as asked for Debian 10 then. |
| 11:57.02 | jcrypt | holgersson: But now you're not. You went to testing, and you get everything that comes with it. This is not a discussion. Please consult the correct venue. |
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| 11:58.24 | ratrace | Doxin: so THAT'S what you've been doing :) congrats |
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| 11:59.04 | Doxin | now to get it to do anything useful ;) |
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| 11:59.46 | holgersson | Hi, Iâm running debian 10 with KDE Plasma 5 and obviously broke the authentication process in "apper", as PackageKit can not authenticate me anymore, and I assume I remove a package as a dependency when cleaning up things I don't need on that machine (like Bluetooth support). |
| 11:59.46 | holgersson | The error message is: |
| 11:59.47 | holgersson | "apper.lib: errorCode: PackageKit::Transaction::Error(ErrorNotAuthorized) "Failed to obtain authentication." |
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| 12:12.01 | gie | jcrypt: thanks for the hint, i added the backports repo, and tried to install the new version. it does not detect the version difference between 0.28.0-1~deb9u2 and 0.28.0-1~bpo9+1. i had to reinstall certbot. then it worked. is this normal beavior? |
| 12:12.25 | jcrypt | gie: Backports doesn't get consulted without manually indicating that you want to. |
| 12:12.38 | jcrypt | gie: apt install -t stretch-backports <pkgname> |
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| 12:13.48 | eypo | gie: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 12:13.55 | gie | ok thx, another question. with the installed 0.28.0-1~bpo9+1 package, i did an apt update - now it detects 0.28.0-1~deb9u2 as the newer one and shows [upgradable from: 0.28.0-1~bpo9+1 |
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| 12:14.27 | gie | should it be like this? the one with the latest fix is seen as the older package? |
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| 12:18.09 | eypo | gie: a package is considered newer than other based on alphabetical sort, so 0.28.0-1~deb9u2 is "newer" than the backport |
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| 12:19.57 | eypo | 0.28.0-1~d... is newer than 0.28.0-1~b |
| 12:20.33 | eypo | Maybe the backport should be packaged as 0.28.0-2~b to solve that |
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| 12:24.11 | eypo | gie: I would file a bug against certbot using reportbug |
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| 12:28.29 | gvth | Hi. Does Debian provide a free driver for the printer Brother DCP-L5500DN ? |
| 12:28.42 | ihristov | Does anyone knows if Deb developers plan to implement ZFS in the installer options like Ubuntu experimenting in 19.10? |
| 12:28.56 | OerHeks | gvth, check openprinting.org ? |
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| 12:30.45 | holgersson | gvth: If not, take a look at the brother.com site. They have usually pre-compiled 32bit debian packages. |
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| 12:32.31 | gie | thx eypo |
| 12:32.48 | jelly | nextworked Brother printers also have decent PostScript and PCL5 compat |
| 12:32.49 | gvth | OerHeks: doesn't seem to be in its database |
| 12:33.01 | gvth | holgersson: but these drivers are usually not free |
| 12:33.27 | eypo | gie: you're welcome |
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| 12:34.44 | gvth | jelly: so you think this printer would perform well as a network printer? |
| 12:34.46 | OerHeks | free as in pay for it? |
| 12:35.26 | eypo | OerHeks: https://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadlist.aspx?c=es&lang=es&prod=dcpl5500dn_us_eu&os=128&flang=English |
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| 12:39.17 | holgersson | gvth: Yes, that's why I wrote "if not". It was mostly a hint in case you find nothing. Try first the openprinting.org-Link and if they can print postscript or PCL5 as the other people here mentioned. |
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| 12:41.18 | eypo | ihristov: I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that. Anyway, you can use proxmox installer (debian based) and then switch kernel back to debian. Or you can install to a ext4 partition on a spare disk, create the zfs pool and move your installed system over to zfs. |
| 12:41.59 | jcrypt | ihristov: Debian's stance on that is that the OpenZFS license (CDDL) is incompatible with the GPL, and therefore can't be distributed with the OS. |
| 12:42.05 | jcrypt | At least, I think that's the case. |
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| 12:42.38 | BCMM | jcrypt: can't distribute zfs binaries compiled against the linux kernel |
| 12:43.05 | jcrypt | That, yes. |
| 12:43.07 | gvth | holgersson: brother's website about the product says nothing about postscript but it seems to support CUPS |
| 12:43.36 | eypo | jcrypt: I think it's FSF who says CDDL and GPLv2 are incompatible. Debian states just that both licenses are DFSG compliant. |
| 12:43.49 | BCMM | debian can and does distribute cddl software |
| 12:43.53 | eypo | https://wiki.debian.org/ZFS |
| 12:44.27 | BCMM | there's a zfs-dkms package that will automatically build a ZFS module for your system |
| 12:44.52 | jcrypt | eypo: Ahh, thank you. |
| 12:44.57 | eypo | ubuntu says it's ok. https://ubuntu.com/blog/zfs-licensing-and-linux |
| 12:45.00 | jcrypt | I, personally, could care less about the FSF. |
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| 12:45.10 | BCMM | the resulting modules probably aren't redistributable, but the dkms package itself is |
| 12:45.20 | eypo | meanwhile, FSF say no-go. https://www.fsf.org/licensing/zfs-and-linux |
| 12:45.39 | BCMM | ubuntu is almost certainly in the wrong, legally. it's just that nobody appears to actually want to sue over it. |
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| 12:46.03 | jcrypt | BCMM: That's very arguable. |
| 12:46.25 | eypo | FWIW, I'm using ZFS as the sole filesystem for the computers I manage. |
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| 12:46.35 | BCMM | jcrypt: it relies on the principle that a linux kernel module is not a derivative of the linux kernel. |
| 12:46.35 | holgersson | gvth: AFAIK you do need *no* external driver if you can speak postscript to the printer, but you need proprietary drivers like the deb-file from brother.com in case the printer does *not* speak postscript. |
| 12:47.15 | BCMM | even though it has been built using kernel headers |
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| 12:48.02 | jcrypt | Using headers does not automatically make something a derivative. |
| 12:48.10 | gvth | holgersson: I know that but how do I find out whether the printer speaks ps? |
| 12:48.15 | eypo | Oracle could end this in a snap, just modifying CDDL licence to remove the alleged incompatibility. |
| 12:48.20 | jcrypt | That would mean that every single application that exists is a derivative of the OS for which it is compiled, which is an insane claim. |
| 12:48.59 | eypo | But on the linux side, kernel developers don't give a penny about ZFS. See kernel 5.0+ blocking usage of FPU registers... |
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| 12:49.26 | eypo | and meanwhile, resources are wasted on BTRFS, which is just re-inventing the wheel |
| 12:49.26 | jcrypt | The FSF is wrong because they're arguing from a point of their own radical/militant idealism, not any legal/factual basis. |
| 12:49.44 | holgersson | gvth: You can setup CUPS with a postscript driver and test it, or search online and -- hopefully -- find some information about that. |
| 12:49.49 | BCMM | in any case, debian's approach works fine, and it's more or less the same approach they take for GPL out-of-tree modules anyway |
| 12:49.59 | holgersson | gvth: I would go for the trial-and-error approach |
| 12:50.14 | CrystalMath | jcrypt: linux modules are not like windows drivers |
| 12:50.21 | CrystalMath | jcrypt: *nix kernel modules were never like programs |
| 12:50.24 | jcrypt | CrystalMath: I never said "drivers." |
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| 12:51.05 | jelly | gvth: based on some previous experience with brother printers, yeah, but it's a guess, I have not used that exact model |
| 12:51.17 | CrystalMath | jcrypt: also, unfortunately, using headers does make it a derivative already, see Oracle v. Google :( |
| 12:51.27 | eypo | It should'nt be too hard to modify installer so you could choose to perform install over a ZFS volume, and then it just download zfs-dkms, build and insmod the module and then continue the install... |
| 12:51.45 | jcrypt | CrystalMath: That is not what that ruling dictated. That ruling stated that APIs can be copyrighted. |
| 12:51.53 | CrystalMath | jcrypt: this is in the US only, in europe, copyright has an exception for interopability |
| 12:51.54 | jcrypt | CrystalMath: Which is orthogonal to the question we're dealing with here. |
| 12:52.32 | CrystalMath | jcrypt: there's plenty of court cases in which something simply using an interface was deemed a derivative work |
| 12:52.33 | eypo | no static linking, no distribution of CDDL binaries... it doesn't seem to break the license , but INAL |
| 12:52.36 | jcrypt | Compile ANY application on ANY OS, and you're using that operating system's headers. That does not make every application a derivative of the OS. Again, that would be an insane claim. |
| 12:53.08 | CrystalMath | jcrypt: the question is not black and white |
| 12:53.20 | jcrypt | That doesn't change my answer. |
| 12:53.36 | CrystalMath | linking without permission is copyright infringement |
| 12:53.49 | dvs | in the US |
| 12:53.51 | jelly | eypo: Canonical, based in UK, can make that distinction; SPI which takes care of legal stuff for Debian is US based and US law is weird there |
| 12:53.58 | BCMM | jcrypt: not all operating system headers have a "viral" licence |
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| 12:54.10 | themill | searches in vain for a user support question |
| 12:54.50 | eypo | Now that I recall, proxmox is based in Germany, so maybe that's why their installer supports ZFS |
| 12:54.55 | jelly | eypo: so if you need installer zfs on root support, use Ubuntu for now |
| 12:55.11 | jcrypt | BCMM: Said viral license is irrelevant if the object in question is not a derivative. |
| 12:55.30 | jcrypt | Anyway, this has ventured well offtopic. Apologies. |
| 12:55.30 | eypo | jelly: I'm already using ZFS. I think it was jcrypt who was asking that |
| 12:55.38 | jcrypt | I wasn't asking, no. |
| 12:55.43 | eypo | sorry |
| 12:55.47 | jelly | so noone is asking! |
| 12:55.49 | jelly | !next |
| 12:55.49 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 12:55.55 | BCMM | jcrypt: then what exactly is your argument that something built against headers does not derive from those headers? |
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| 12:56.59 | BCMM | ultimately, there's not much point arguing about this. different people have reached different conclusions, both based on competant legal advice, and it will not become clear unless and until it is tested in court. |
| 12:57.02 | CrystalMath | jcrypt: as a software author, i definitely believe i have the right to restrict what kind of crap links to my libraries |
| 12:57.17 | CrystalMath | jcrypt: many courts agreed with this in the past |
| 12:57.20 | eypo | jelly: ok, it was ihristov. Let's blame him for all this mess :) |
| 12:57.33 | CrystalMath | so, keep that ZFS crap out of linux, forever |
| 12:57.45 | ihristov | :D |
| 12:57.53 | ihristov | I'm just wondering |
| 12:58.07 | dvs | !blame ihristov |
| 12:58.08 | dpkg | blames edwardly and ihristov for all the evil in the world |
| 12:58.14 | ihristov | !blame me |
| 12:58.14 | dpkg | blames mns and ihristov for all the evil in the world |
| 12:58.26 | humpled | "just wondering" |
| 12:58.45 | eypo | crystalmath: https://zfsonlinux.org ;) Long live ZFS on linux :) |
| 12:59.07 | CrystalMath | that site deserves to be DDoSed |
| 12:59.17 | eypo | you must be joking |
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| 12:59.32 | CrystalMath | i really do hate ZFS, but yes |
| 12:59.49 | ihristov | Obviously it's not necessary for all people to loves ZFS :) |
| 12:59.53 | ihristov | It's your choice |
| 13:00.03 | CrystalMath | (but yes = i am joking) |
| 13:00.08 | eypo | :) |
| 13:01.15 | eypo | Ok, enough zfs advocacy for today. Time to leave :) |
| 13:01.18 | eypo | Bye |
| 13:02.02 | ihristov | My intention wasn't to provoke all those reactions |
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| 13:02.45 | ihristov | Sorry for that |
| 13:04.46 | CrystalMath | i guess a FUSE ZFS module would be legal, i think FUSE is LGPL? |
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| 13:05.05 | CrystalMath | yeah, libfuse |
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| 13:05.16 | CrystalMath | so, it would be legal in this manner |
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| 13:09.29 | CrystalMath | even thought it was "created with libfuse in mind", it will link to a library that permits that |
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| 13:16.52 | toresbe | Hey folks. Quick question. I'm grabbing the ZFS modules from testing, for a machine otherwise on stable. Now however, the testing version has bumped its libc-bin dependency. Can I safely grab libc-bin from testing to satisfy that dependency, or will everything explode? |
| 13:17.07 | greycat | No. |
| 13:17.35 | toresbe | Hey greycat, very long time no see :) |
| 13:17.45 | greycat | Pulling in libc (any or all of it) from testing means you're really just running testing. Stop trying to fool yourself. |
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| 13:21.38 | tds | toresbe: does the version of zfs in buster-backports not work for your situation? |
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| 13:22.20 | tds | looking at the changelog, looks like that's up to date with testing |
| 13:22.22 | toresbe | tds: why yes, yes, they've pushed the appropriate version to backports! That went faster than I'd hought. Thanks! |
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| 13:24.15 | toresbe | greycat: I don't know how to respond to that. I came in here to ask for guidance about whether it's the right thing to do, and you come at me with a completely unnecessary attack for a position I hadn't even taken yet. |
| 13:24.20 | toresbe | Now I remember why I parted this channel. |
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| 13:24.55 | greycat | ... that was an "attack"? Jeez. |
| 13:25.23 | greycat | People are single-mindedly COMMITTED to frankendebianizing themselves, and anyone who points it out to them is an enemy. Got it. |
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| 13:34.25 | BCMM | greycat: telling them that it's a bad idea and why is fine. i think "stop trying to fool yourself" was pointlessly combative. |
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| 13:35.28 | greycat | So, only communicate by triggering bot factoids. Boy that's going to be awful. |
| 13:36.02 | BCMM | greycat: talk about "fooling yourself"... it's impossible that you actually believe that's what i mean |
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| 13:36.30 | greycat | How the fuck am I supposed to sit here and listen to idiots ACTIVELY HARMING THEMSELVES and not try to STOP THEM!?: |
| 13:36.41 | BCMM | you need to learn how to be right without being awful about it |
| 13:36.41 | greycat | Jesus. Fuck this bullshit. |
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| 13:37.17 | Doxin | good god, imagine being so hell bent on helping people that you rage quit. |
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| 13:40.53 | Habbie | Doxin, yes.. imagine caring so much.. just imagine it. |
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| 13:41.13 | Habbie | Doxin, now imagine that nobody cares |
| 13:41.14 | Doxin | I'm afraid I'd pull a muscle from straining too hard ;) |
| 13:41.20 | Habbie | i figured |
| 13:41.42 | Doxin | nothing wrong with caring some amount obviously, but dropping stuff like a hot potato is a skill that's rather important too. |
| 13:41.54 | Habbie | agreed |
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| 13:53.08 | jelly | imagine all the people, living life in peas |
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| 13:57.11 | klys | `sha la lala lala live in a pea |
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| 14:15.42 | centrix | I connect using openvpn, my /etc/resolv.conf gets updated, but I cannot ping a hostname or FQDN. host 12.13.14.15 return the correct name. /et/resolv.conf contains: nameserver 1.2.3.4 and search my_domain.com. Any hints please? |
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| 14:16.24 | centrix | Deb 10.1 |
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| 14:17.41 | humpled | "stop trying to fool yourself" is not an attack |
| 14:18.02 | humpled | people should know upgrading libc is no picnic |
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| 14:19.46 | klys | centrix, is 1.2.3.4 a valid nameserver? |
| 14:19.59 | centrix | yes |
| 14:20.10 | klys | can you ping 1.2.3.4 ? |
| 14:20.15 | centrix | yes |
| 14:20.46 | klys | can you ping 198.60.22.2 ? |
| 14:20.49 | centrix | nslookup hotname return its FQDN and an IPv4 address |
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| 14:21.28 | centrix | klys, 64 bytes from 198.60.22.2: icmp_seq=1 ttl=43 time=271 ms |
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| 14:21.54 | klys | centrix, what happens if you use nameserver 8.8.8.8 or 1.1.1.1 ? |
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| 14:23.20 | centrix | klys, I have 8.8.8.8 as the last nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf. I can ping it, but ssh vpns_FQDN: Could not resolve hostname abc ... Name or service not known. |
| 14:23.36 | centrix | let me ssh to an IP |
| 14:23.48 | klys | centrix, do you have the following line in /etc/nsswitch.conf: hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns myhostname |
| 14:25.11 | centrix | klys, hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] resolve [!UNAVAIL=return] dns |
| 14:26.14 | centrix | Let me comment out mine and add yours... |
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| 14:29.33 | centrix | klys, it works your way. Thanks. However, terminating openvpn fails to return my /etc/resolv.conf to its previous content. Thus, it takes "ages" to resolv eg. debian.org for a ping. |
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| 14:37.57 | darxmurf | tried to install gnome to test my USB issue, same problem. It's not XFCE related then |
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| 14:43.26 | netcrash | Hello, I have a issue where /var/tmp is having a incrase in inode usage, how can I detect what's causing this? |
| 14:45.32 | AaronXu | how can I install ashmem_linux kernel module on debian10 |
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| 14:46.14 | BCMM | AaronXu: is that part of anbox? |
| 14:46.32 | AaronXu | yes, having trouble it and binder |
| 14:46.41 | BCMM | how did you install the rest of anbox? |
| 14:46.45 | dvs | AaronXu, modprob ashmem_linux ? |
| 14:46.57 | dvs | AaronXu, modprobe ashmem_linux ? |
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| 14:47.10 | AaronXu | yea, via snap then apt as I hear apt installed the modules but it still didnt work |
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| 14:48.17 | BCMM | AaronXu: "This package needs Android kernel modules and rootfs image, see /usr/share/doc/anbox/README.Debian for information." - did you read that file? |
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| 14:49.50 | AaronXu | it didnt build |
| 14:49.58 | BCMM | AaronXu: what didn't build? |
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| 14:50.20 | AaronXu | https://github.com/anbox/anbox-modules |
| 14:50.31 | BCMM | AaronXu: you don't need to do that! |
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| 14:51.06 | BCMM | AaronXu: i downloaded the debian package to have a look at README.Debian. it says "Since Debian kernel 4.17, these two modules are enabled". are you using a Debian kernel? |
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| 14:51.29 | AaronXu | how can I check |
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| 14:51.48 | BCMM | are you running debian buster, and have you ever changed the kernel version on purpose? |
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| 14:52.47 | AaronXu | debian10 on qubes |
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| 14:54.01 | BCMM | so debian should be running in a VM, but running with a normal debian kernel, right? |
| 14:54.26 | BCMM | basically, are you sure you don't already have ashmem_linux? have you checked if you can just modprobe it? |
| 14:54.37 | AaronXu | yea i dont have it |
| 14:55.08 | BCMM | AaronXu: what's in your /lib/modules directory? |
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| 14:55.45 | AaronXu | sudo modprobe ashmem_linux |
| 14:55.45 | AaronXu | modprobe: FATAL: Module ashmem_linux not found in directory /lib/modules/4.19.71-1.pvops.qubes.x86_64 |
| 14:56.03 | dvs | ??? |
| 14:56.07 | dvs | ,kernels |
| 14:56.08 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.3.0-trunk-686-pae (5.3.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.2.0-3-686 (5.2.17-1); bullseye: 5.2.0-3-686 (5.2.17-1); buster-backports: 5.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (5.2.17-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u1); jessie-backports: |
| 14:56.09 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
| 14:56.20 | BCMM | AaronXu: ok, you're running some weird kernel presumably provided by qubes |
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| 14:56.46 | AaronXu | ls /lib/modules |
| 14:56.46 | AaronXu | 4.19.0-5-amd64 4.19.43-1.pvops.qubes.x86_64 firmware lost+found |
| 14:56.46 | AaronXu | 4.19.0-6-amd64 4.19.71-1.pvops.qubes.x86_64 initramfs vmlinuz |
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| 14:56.49 | BCMM | this would work fine on linux-image-amd64 as provided by Debian |
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| 14:57.05 | wild_buffalo | Hi, I'm looking for recommendations for remote desktop server/viewer apps |
| 14:57.26 | AaronXu | i see |
| 14:57.42 | dvs | wild_buffalo, tigervnc |
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| 14:58.24 | wild_buffalo | dvs: does tigervnc include the server application as well? |
| 14:58.25 | BCMM | AaronXu: i suggest you ask in the qubes channel, if there is one. either ask if you can use a standard debian kernel, or ask how to install ashmem_linux and binder_linux for the qubes kernel |
| 14:58.40 | dvs | wild_buffalo, yes |
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| 14:58.47 | AaronXu | thank you |
| 14:59.13 | wild_buffalo | dvs: cool, will check it out. Thanks |
| 14:59.17 | dvs | np |
| 15:01.05 | BCMM | wild_buffalo: if you want to have a dedicated desktop for remote use, yes tigervnc provides that. if you want to view and control your "real" desktop (the same stuff that's actually on your local screen), you might want to look at a different vnc server. |
| 15:01.24 | BCMM | probably either x11vnc or whatever is built in to your desktop environment |
| 15:01.37 | wild_buffalo | Well maybe I should describe my use case a bit better |
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| 15:01.59 | wild_buffalo | So I have a work machine at the office that normally I just SSH into and call it a day |
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| 15:02.10 | wild_buffalo | It |
| 15:02.24 | wild_buffalo | It's running Debian Testing with Gnome as the DE |
| 15:02.59 | wild_buffalo | But now I have certain GUI applications that I need to use that have to be installed on the office machine |
| 15:03.22 | BCMM | wild_buffalo: yeah, tigervnc has a server that would work fine for that |
| 15:03.24 | zathras | VNC is slow. Use SSH -X/-Y |
| 15:03.42 | BCMM | x forwarding over ssh is often even slower |
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| 15:04.19 | zathras | dunno current situation but VNC used to be hell with console & java stuff |
| 15:04.36 | BCMM | in particular, X11 is extremely vulnerable to latency, so it's usually going to be unbearable if it's over the internet as opposed to over a lan |
| 15:04.46 | wild_buffalo | I'm not super informed about the subject but isn't Gnome on Debian 10 running on wayland? |
| 15:04.47 | zathras | also there a re huge differences in VNC implementations |
| 15:04.56 | wild_buffalo | Would that work with X11 forwarding? |
| 15:05.20 | wild_buffalo | Also if it matters the client machine will be running macOS |
| 15:05.22 | BCMM | also, X11 has no facility to disconnect and reconnect again later. if your connection drops, the application is gone |
| 15:05.54 | wild_buffalo | BCMM: k yeah that's a non-starter then |
| 15:06.01 | zathras | stunnel? |
| 15:06.03 | wild_buffalo | So I guess tigervnc it is? |
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| 15:06.22 | BCMM | if you want something broadly x11-based, used x2go |
| 15:06.24 | wild_buffalo | I'm curious about what you meant by "real" desktop |
| 15:06.51 | BCMM | wild_buffalo: i mean, like, if you start an application on your office machine while you're sitting in front of it |
| 15:07.07 | BCMM | wild_buffalo: but later, you go away from that machine and want to access the same session remotely |
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| 15:07.18 | wild_buffalo | ahh |
| 15:07.27 | BCMM | as opposed to starting a session that can only be accessed remotely |
| 15:07.27 | wild_buffalo | right it'll be a new session for tigervnc |
| 15:08.08 | wild_buffalo | k well in that case I'll look for some more alternatives before setting up tigervnc |
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| 15:08.53 | JyZyXEL | x11vnc is the one that attaches to an existing x11 session |
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| 15:09.15 | BCMM | wild_buffalo: by the way, i believe gnome continues to support x11 as well as wayland. it's just wayland by default, if the graphics drivers support it |
| 15:09.16 | wild_buffalo | Anyone has experience with NX server? |
| 15:09.33 | dvs | !anyone |
| 15:09.33 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 15:09.43 | BCMM | tigervnc will provide an X server (Xvnc), and gnome can still use that |
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| 15:10.16 | wild_buffalo | dvs: apologies, I thought that my real question was obvious from the context of the conversation we're having |
| 15:11.11 | wild_buffalo | Other than the fact that it's proprietary software, are there any major disadvantages using NX server compared to VNC? |
| 15:11.38 | centrix | My resolver (Deb10.1) uses only the first nameserver. How to make it use the next if the first fails? |
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| 15:18.15 | jelly | centrix: are you saying name resolution does not work if you, say, block traffic for the first nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 15:20.26 | centrix | jelly, I managed to make resolver.service to make my openvpn update /etc/resolv.conf (up or down). |
| 15:21.01 | centrix | For that I added two, say, fixed nameservers for the outside world and let the openvpn update /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:21.02 | jelly | I have no idea what resolver.service is, sorry |
| 15:21.37 | centrix | Let's just say that updating of the /etc/resolv.conf work. |
| 15:23.39 | centrix | If i want to resolve a host on the VPN the systems fails. I can see it fails using ONLY the first nameserver in the /etc/resolv.conf. |
| 15:24.08 | centrix | A public FQDN (eg. www.debian.org) gets resolved OK. |
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| 15:25.56 | centrix | jelly, I added "options rotate |
| 15:25.56 | centrix | options timeout:3 |
| 15:25.56 | centrix | " into /etc/resolv.conf. Still, looking up hosts queries the first listed nameserver (ONLY). |
| 15:26.23 | BCMM | wild_buffalo: there's x2go, which is based on the last open-source version of teh NX protocol |
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| 15:32.54 | jelly | centrix: two things: 1. have a single options lines with space separated options 2. verify which resolvers get asked using something like: strace ... getent ahosts4 google.com |
| 15:33.05 | jelly | a single options line* |
| 15:33.27 | jelly | options rotate timeout:3 |
| 15:34.12 | jelly | sorry, getent ahosts google.com |
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| 15:36.13 | wild_buffalo | BCMM: cool, I'll take a look at those options |
| 15:36.18 | wild_buffalo | Thanks for the help all, really appreciated |
| 15:38.24 | centrix | jelly, Good. I'll do so in a while. By the way. The SQLDeveloper I tried to make work two days ago runs like a charm after updating to its latest version :) As expected. |
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| 15:47.09 | centrix | #flood |
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| 15:49.30 | centrix | jelly, https://pastebin.com/0ndKPPQ3 |
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| 15:51.17 | centrix | jelly, getent hosts ah3.abc.cz returns void. |
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| 15:58.10 | jelly | centrix: ** server can't find ah.abc.cz: NXDOMAIN # this isn't "resolver does not work", this is "resolver says hostname does not exist" |
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| 15:58.38 | centrix | jelly, using strace I noticed "write(1, "19.16.5.13 ah3.abc."..., 4019.16.5.13 ah3.abc.cz". ssh to that IP works. |
| 15:58.52 | jelly | it gets the query, it returns an answer. the answer is negative. |
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| 15:58.56 | karlpinc | jelly: I didn't know about "ahosts". Always did "getent hosts". I see they do the same thing. Makes me wonder why they introduced another name. |
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| 15:59.20 | jelly | karlpinc: getent hosts does not return all the answers |
| 15:59.49 | karlpinc | jelly: Ah. Now that's clear. :) |
| 15:59.51 | jelly | [17:34] ~ => getent hosts google.com ... 2a00:1450:400d:802::200e google.com # and nothing more |
| 15:59.53 | arjansh | Good evening all |
| 16:00.20 | karlpinc | !ugt |
| 16:00.21 | dpkg | Universal Greeting Time (UGT) asserts that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. |
| 16:00.24 | karlpinc | :) |
| 16:00.48 | arjansh | I am sorry sir, won't happen again. |
| 16:01.29 | wild_buffalo | karlpinc: that's hilarious I'm gonna start using that |
| 16:01.47 | karlpinc | arjansh: My fault. There's really never an case for using that factoid. It is always offtopic. I've been waiting for months to use it anyway. :-P |
| 16:02.05 | arjansh | Good morning all, I request you all to please guide me on how i should learn Python relevant for contributing to Debian |
| 16:02.11 | jelly | karlpinc: you can use it in #debian-offtopic |
| 16:02.41 | wild_buffalo | arjansh: I think it was just a joke |
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| 16:02.51 | wild_buffalo | :) |
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| 16:03.55 | arjansh | I am currently doing BSc. Mathematics and next year i will graduate, i just want to maximize my potential so as to contribute here and work for gsoc as well because in India, GSOC holds a lot of value. |
| 16:03.57 | karlpinc | arjansh: Do you know how to program? If so they best way is probably to pick a specific project and do something to contribute. You can look for wish list requests at bugs.debian.org. |
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| 16:04.20 | centrix | jelly, Yes. I used "getent hosts a3.abc.cz" and get a positive answer irregularly. |
| 16:04.31 | arjansh | Thank you karlpinc sir for guiding me. |
| 16:04.43 | karlpinc | arjansh: #python will answer questions and review code, as will whatever project you work with. |
| 16:06.00 | arjansh | Yes i know all the basic stuff - loops, dictionaries, tuples, functions etc. in Python , but when i try to look at a particular project, the language is altogether different. |
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| 16:06.16 | arjansh | And i don't know how to go about it. |
| 16:06.38 | arjansh | I mean the codebase is very advanced. |
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| 16:07.09 | centrix | jelly, resolver say that, but the host exists as the "getent hosts" returns the host's IP according to its momentary mood. |
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| 16:07.36 | centrix | And I can ssh to the IP |
| 16:07.42 | karlpinc | arjansh: I find pyramid (trypyramid.org) to be particularly well crafted and run by people who must handle real-world problems. Yes, the code is advanced. You want that. |
| 16:07.45 | jelly | arjansh: you could install how-can-i-help package, and see if any python-based packages in Debian have easy bugs to fix |
| 16:08.26 | karlpinc | arjansh: Yes, some easy bug fixes might be a good start. |
| 16:09.02 | jelly | centrix: it is possible the resolver(s) get NXDOMAIN from one of the authotitative dns servers for that domain |
| 16:09.03 | arjansh | thank you jelly and karlpinc |
| 16:11.19 | centrix | jelly, I can set VPN's DNS servers as the only ones in /etc/resolveconf.../head and see what is the mood of the whole resolving system. |
| 16:11.20 | jelly | centrix: dig abc.cz. NS to find out which NS servers are authoritative, then ask each for your host: dig ah3.abc.cz. @beta.ns.active24.cz. |
| 16:11.25 | arjansh | jelly: how do i add how can i help package? |
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| 16:11.56 | jelly | centrix: if all the authoritative servers return valid info, then your resolver is broken |
| 16:11.58 | karlpinc | centrix: If that is the case, you can try querying individual authoriatative nameservers with dig and see. You can also try querying non-authoratative nameservers which may have temporarly cached a NXDOMAIN result. |
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| 16:12.42 | jelly | arjansh: the package is called literally how-can-i-help and so is the command |
| 16:13.01 | arjansh | ok Thank you |
| 16:13.26 | karlpinc | centrix: (dig is really the right way to poke about DNS.) |
| 16:13.49 | jelly | arjansh: you could also ask #debian-python people on irc.oftc.net if they have any low-hanging fruit you can help with |
| 16:14.31 | jelly | arjansh: assuming you have looked at debian packaging and python packaging in particular |
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| 16:16.48 | karlpinc | arjansh: There is also a huge push to port python2 projects to python3. (The ones I want to see done are dblatex, which seems to be in progress, and dia, which seems to not really be maintained.) |
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| 16:18.14 | nifker | Is it possible to create a link with ln that doesnt modify the working directory for the programm? |
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| 16:20.22 | jelly | nifker: which program's directory does ln modify? |
| 16:20.27 | karlpinc | arjansh: I'd also recommend working on something that has regression tests and code coverage metrics, because that's the right way to develop. pytest is a more modern regression testing system than unittest. |
| 16:21.06 | nifker | jelly: the one of I created a link in my PATH |
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| 16:22.29 | karlpinc | nifker: ln will take qualified path names. |
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| 16:23.16 | jelly | does not get it |
| 16:23.27 | jelly | nifker: can you pastebin an example? |
| 16:23.28 | jelly | !ask |
| 16:23.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 16:23.57 | nifker | the programm requires resources from the executable directory |
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| 16:24.18 | nifker | but tries to access them from the directory where the link is in |
| 16:25.28 | centrix | jelly, AUTHORITATIVE SECTION: "a3.abc.cz 2225INSOAns1.ignum.com. hostmaster.ignum.cz. 2019052200 10800 3600 604800 3600" |
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| 16:26.20 | ubuking | hey |
| 16:26.21 | ubuking | question |
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| 16:27.53 | dvs | answer. next |
| 16:28.32 | centrix | jelly, Still, I would expect the OS to query ALL nameservers listed in /etc/resolv.conf. Not just the first. |
| 16:28.44 | noodlepie | Hiya guys! How doing? |
| 16:28.59 | jelly | nifker: do not make a symlink, make a shell wrapper that sets things up and exec the real tool in the way that is expects to be called? |
| 16:29.24 | nifker | meh |
| 16:29.28 | nifker | thats much work :P |
| 16:29.30 | centrix | I have pushed the VPN's dns server up to the first line in /etc/resolv.conf and the "host FQDN" works |
| 16:29.34 | ubuking | hello |
| 16:29.38 | centrix | repeatedly |
| 16:29.40 | ubuking | is somebody using DEBIAN as Desktop ? |
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| 16:29.48 | jelly | centrix: it only needs to query resolvers until it gets an answer. |
| 16:29.59 | jelly | centrix: NXDOMAIN is an answer. |
| 16:30.41 | ubuking | is somebody using DEBIAN as Desktop ? |
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| 16:30.50 | jelly | ubuking: yes. |
| 16:31.04 | ubuking | great |
| 16:31.04 | karlpinc | !gll ubuking about anybody |
| 16:31.08 | ubuking | STABLE or testing? |
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| 16:31.19 | ubuking | jelly |
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| 16:31.25 | karlpinc | !tell ubuking about anybody |
| 16:31.38 | centrix | jelly, Well, it does not prevent me from working on the VPN as ping to their IPs work. So does ssh etc. |
| 16:31.46 | jelly | ubuking: right now I, personally, am using oldstable |
| 16:32.06 | ubuking | why |
| 16:32.16 | jelly | ubuking: it works |
| 16:32.25 | ubuking | ok and which DE jelly |
| 16:32.54 | karlpinc | ubuking: Because I haven't gotten around to upgrading to stable. And I use stable because it works and keeps working, like jelly. I don't want to mess with a broken system. |
| 16:33.24 | ubuking | cool |
| 16:33.29 | ubuking | what de are you using ? |
| 16:33.35 | jelly | !polls |
| 16:33.35 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 16:33.55 | somiaj | ubuking: I'm with the oldstable croud on my desktop, though my laptop is new, so I just installed buster on it due to newer hardware. |
| 16:34.22 | ubuking | Ok which DE do you recommend me ? |
| 16:34.33 | somiaj | ubuking: debian offers 6 or so DEs, and 10+ window managers, you have lots of freedom for the gui you use. I recommend you try multiple out and find one that suits you. |
| 16:34.45 | jelly | ubuking: pick any one, try it for a few weeks, then try a different one |
| 16:35.08 | somiaj | ubuking: If you have older hardware, you may want to avoid the fancy big DEs like KDE and Gnome, but over all you need to find one that suits your desires and workflow. |
| 16:35.13 | karlpinc | ubuking: You can install more than one at once and choose which to use when you login. |
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| 16:35.43 | karlpinc | ubuking: (If the dm supports choosing, which many do.) |
| 16:36.57 | jelly | dm being "display manager", the component that provides the graphical login screen |
| 16:37.27 | karlpinc | !dm |
| 16:37.27 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <lightdm>, <gdm3>, <xdm>, sddm, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer . For the deb-multimedia repository, ask me about <dmm>. |
| 16:38.04 | jelly | they're gone |
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| 16:42.19 | transhuman | I was zeroing out a drive using dd I got somewhere between 3.6 TB and the maximum 7.6 TB of space before loosing power, on first pass I zeroed the whole drive, second pass I was randomizing anyone know a good way starting at end of drive to search backwards for the first sectors with all zeros in it? |
| 16:43.13 | karlpinc | transhuman: Python? |
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| 16:43.57 | karlpinc | transhuman: Or just use dd to stdout and do a binary search. |
| 16:44.12 | transhuman | ok that sounds simpler |
| 16:44.24 | JyZyXEL | transhuman: just do a manual binary search? |
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| 16:45.00 | jelly | what if a random block was already all zeroes?!?!? :-D |
| 16:45.33 | transhuman | is there a way though to start searching backwards from end of the drive though, I know its well over 3.6TB of space that is now random |
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| 16:46.25 | transhuman | nm I will figure it out its too specific a question |
| 16:46.27 | transhuman | thanks |
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| 16:46.31 | ratrace | transhuman: so you'll spend more time trying to figure out how to start at the last sector you did in previous run, than it takes for the drive to just do it all from the scratch? :) or at least start at half of it, if you're sure you've passed half. dd has "seek" and "skip" options |
| 16:46.52 | transhuman | ah ok thats good ratrace thanks |
| 16:47.07 | ratrace | https://xkcd.com/1319/ |
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| 16:47.53 | transhuman | point taken ratrace...lol thanks |
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| 16:57.40 | vlt | transhuman: And have a look at "shred". |
| 16:58.40 | transhuman | shred is about 20 times slower because I find it stalls in the middle on multiple computers and multiple hard drives |
| 16:59.02 | transhuman | I gave up on it don't know why it does that |
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| 17:04.24 | karlpinc | transhuman: Probably runs out of entropy. In which case haveged or something similar would help. |
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| 17:06.49 | todi | a wonderful good evening all with one |
| 17:08.45 | ratrace | karlpinc: transhuman: with a recent kernel, forgot which version exactly, but definitely buster's 4.19, /dev/random no longer runs out of entropy |
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| 17:09.48 | transhuman | ah I have been using urandom are they now one and the same you are saying or is now /dev/random better? |
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| 17:16.45 | ratrace | transhuman: traditionally /dev/random would block with insufficient entropy |
| 17:17.00 | ratrace | urandom never did at the expense of unpredictability |
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| 17:17.41 | transhuman | ouch thats not good, kinda too late now for me |
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| 17:20.15 | transhuman | ratrace I was under the wrong assumption it was the other way around |
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| 17:20.35 | ratrace | transhuman: it doesn't matter if you're using it to wipe out drives. you can write all zeroes it'll have the same effect |
| 17:20.57 | ratrace | urandom's predictability is important for crypto only |
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| 17:21.06 | RoyK | hi all. any idea how I can move a VM from a libvirt controller to a scsi controller? libvirt doesn't support TRIM/UNMAP, and I need that. It seems grub panics badly if I switch over. Is the hdd path hardcoded somewhere? With libvirt, it's vda, but with scsi, it'll be sda |
| 17:21.07 | transhuman | ok thanks |
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| 17:25.33 | karlpinc | RoyK: I don't know anything about the controllers, but a useful approach is to move the drive and boot the installer in rescue mode. Then you can either use the installer menu to re-install grub or go fully into rescue mode where you're chrooted into the drive and can fuss around on the command line there. |
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| 17:26.09 | karlpinc | RoyK: Whatever "moving the drive means" in a VM environment. |
| 17:27.32 | RoyK | karlpinc: it means the same as in a physical environment, just less messy cabling ;) |
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| 17:30.16 | r4co0n | Hello. I am having trouble to verify OpenBSD installs using Debian packages signify-openbsd and signify-openbsd-keys. But using a command similarily to https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#Download I am just getting `signify-openbsd: verification failed: checked against wrong key`. This is running `signify-openbsd -Cp /usr/share/signify-openbsd-keys/openbsd-65-pkg.pub -x SHA256.sig install65.fs`. |
| 17:30.57 | r4co0n | I am running buster. |
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| 17:36.00 | r4co0n | I redownloaded both the signature and the install file to no avail. |
| 17:37.01 | transhuman | why is it when I add the seek=3.5TB(exactnumbergoeshere) it seems to do nothing for an extended period of time...like 5 minutes so far? |
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| 17:39.55 | RoyK | karlpinc: my question, anyway, was if you (or someone else) knew where the device name is hardcoded or how this works. I guess a rescue and reinstalling grub might work, but I'll learn less from that. After all, it's the same disk and system, it's just with another controller type (scsi instead of virtio) |
| 17:41.04 | nasujia | r4co0n, make sure you're using the right SHA256.sig |
| 17:42.06 | ratrace | transhuman: seek is block count, not byte count btw... are you sure you're not seeking past the size of disk and it just behaves wierdly? |
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| 17:43.25 | transhuman | to make it simple I created in gparted two partitions half the size of the disk then used fdisk -l to get the starting sector of second partition and used this in the seek= parameter, is that faulty logic? |
| 17:43.27 | r4co0n | nasujia, I redownloaded both from `http://ftp.hostserver.de/pub/OpenBSD/6.5/amd64/` |
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| 17:43.47 | ratrace | transhuman: seek is in N blocks, not bytes |
| 17:44.06 | transhuman | oops so I have to divide that by block size ok |
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| 17:44.12 | transhuman | x/512 |
| 17:44.38 | ratrace | transhuman: well whichever "bs" you're actually using. I wouldn't go below 4k if I were you. 1M is okay |
| 17:44.56 | nasujia | r4co0n, I will try that source 1min |
| 17:45.00 | transhuman | ok thanks |
| 17:45.47 | ratrace | transhuman: to skip 3.5TB, you can do something like dd if=/... of=/.... bs=1M seek=3500000 (3.5 million of 1M blocks) |
| 17:46.03 | transhuman | ah ok |
| 17:46.39 | r4co0n | nasujia, thx |
| 17:47.38 | nasujia | r4co0n, may I pm you ? |
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| 17:48.57 | r4co0n | nasujia, sure do |
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| 17:50.49 | transhuman | so i figured out part of the problem (yes my logic was wrong as you say) secondly /dev/random is slow real slow /dev/zero is 512MB/s and /dev/urandom is half that |
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| 17:57.32 | RoyK | hrmf - what is it grub-install really does? Reading the grub config tells me nothing. I can't find any hardcoded device names, just nice UUIDs and whatnot, but after moving the root disk from virtio to scsi (kvm/libvirt) I just get "error: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'." and then rescue shell |
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| 17:58.41 | ratrace | transhuman: if you've got a cpu with aesni, you can dd zero a LUKS container |
| 17:59.02 | transhuman | ah ok |
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| 18:01.32 | r4co0n | nasujia, thx |
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| 18:02.46 | nasujia | no problem r4co0n |
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| 18:10.46 | r4co0n | RoyK, can you list /dev/disk/by-uuid from the rescue shell? If so, do you see the expected UUIDS? |
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| 18:43.59 | Lope | anyone familiar with isc-dhcp-server? |
| 18:44.06 | dvs | !anyone |
| 18:44.06 | Lope | I've set it up many times. |
| 18:44.06 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 18:44.20 | Lope | But for some reason it's giving me crap about not defining interfaces. |
| 18:44.47 | Lope | It's complaining about trying to listen on ipv6 on all interfaces but some interfaces don't have ipv6 addresses etc. |
| 18:44.56 | Lope | I only want to listen on ipv4, not sure how to do that. |
| 18:45.21 | Lope | normally I have interfaces=eth0 in the subnet block |
| 18:45.44 | Lope | sorry, I mean interface=eth0 in the subnet block. |
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| 18:46.14 | Lope | But it's saying I should use INTERFACES="eth0" which I've done, I don't know where to add it, so I've added above the subnet block and inside the subnet block. |
| 18:46.22 | Lope | I've tried INTERFACES="eth0" |
| 18:46.28 | Lope | I've tried INTERFACES="0.0.0.0" |
| 18:46.43 | Lope | and as above, I've put them outside the subnet block AND inside the subnet block |
| 18:47.02 | Lope | it's driving me nuts. |
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| 18:48.56 | RoyK | Lope: dhcpd6_enable="NO", perhaps? |
| 18:49.14 | RoyK | https://subatomicsolutions.org/8-freebsd/17-isc-dhcp-ipv4-ipv6-server-on-a-dual-stack-network |
| 18:49.16 | Lope | RoyK, thanks, outside or inside the subnet block? |
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| 18:50.23 | RoyK | Lope: just read that - haven't done this myself |
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| 18:52.40 | Lope | Launching both IPv4 and IPv6 servers (please configure INTERFACES in /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server if you only want one or the other).\ |
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| 19:17.22 | wild_buffalo | What's the default command Debian 10 uses to start a gnome session? |
| 19:17.41 | wild_buffalo | Or where is that command configured/described? |
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| 19:21.54 | diogenes_ | wild_buffalo, cat /usr/share/xsession/gnome.desktop | grep Exec |
| 19:22.05 | diogenes_ | xsessions* |
| 19:22.24 | diogenes_ | it shows Exec=/usr/bin/gnome-session |
| 19:22.32 | wild_buffalo | diogenes_: brilliant, thanks |
| 19:22.39 | diogenes_ | yw |
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| 20:23.20 | zleap | ov3rmind: hello |
| 20:23.48 | dvs | :-P |
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| 21:27.19 | jhutchins | !ask |
| 21:27.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:27.48 | dvs | who's that for? |
| 21:27.53 | annadane | it's been an hour :P |
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| 21:29.55 | jhutchins | annadane: Right you are. |
| 21:30.19 | jhutchins | Catching up. I expect this channel to be busier than that. |
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| 21:46.07 | Intelo | HI |
| 21:46.07 | Intelo | Can anyone see this nginx and certbot/letsencrypt issue? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/sZph9n8BQf/ |
| 21:47.22 | Intelo | stuck since 4 hours |
| 21:47.48 | mutante | Intelo: the part for the challenge seems to be commented |
| 21:48.08 | Intelo | mutante, the location one? |
| 21:48.14 | Intelo | mutante, what should be there? |
| 21:48.28 | mutante | Intelo: lines 54 to 56 should not start with a # |
| 21:48.42 | mutante | remove the # and restart nginx and try again? |
| 21:49.25 | Intelo | mutante, are you sure? because that didnt worked before |
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| 21:49.58 | mutante | Intelo: there is probably more than one issue |
| 21:50.04 | mutante | but without that it wont |
| 21:50.33 | mutante | look, it needs to access /.well-known/acme-challenge/ and your webserver says 502 to that |
| 21:50.50 | mutante | or you can try another method to do the challenge |
| 21:50.56 | Intelo | I placed the .well-know thing at ge api url too in app running on 4321 though |
| 21:50.56 | mutante | there are multiple |
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| 21:51.17 | Intelo | ok let me uncomment those lines first |
| 21:52.18 | mutante | Intelo: you can install certbot and let it do all this for you |
| 21:52.26 | mutante | generate the config snippet.. insert it.. restart |
| 21:52.47 | Intelo | mutante, the certbot is already installed. isnt it? |
| 21:53.08 | mutante | i cant know what you already installed |
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| 21:53.51 | mutante | Intelo: ah, yea, looks like it is. |
| 21:54.27 | mutante | Intelo: so certbot has more options , including --nginx |
| 21:54.36 | mutante | that would let it write your nginx config |
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| 21:55.01 | mutante | Intelo: just pick the right instructions from the list at https://certbot.eff.org/all-instructions |
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| 21:55.25 | mutante | probably "sudo certbot --nginx" should do it |
| 21:56.43 | Intelo | mutante, line 80 https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/q7Q9xBsNzw/ |
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| 21:57.41 | mason | Intelo: Debian or Ubuntu? Same question in both channels makes me curious. |
| 21:57.53 | mutante | Intelo: well.. "Refused" is one step up from "Bad Gateway" :) |
| 21:58.02 | mutante | now it's just missing another line to allow the client |
| 21:58.11 | Intelo | mutante, hm! |
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| 22:00.17 | mutante | Intelo: so .. i notice that there is proxy_pass https://nbk.wordapp.com/ |
| 22:00.19 | mutante | with https in it |
| 22:00.25 | Intelo | yes.. |
| 22:00.26 | mutante | but also this needs to work to..even get a cert |
| 22:00.39 | Intelo | hm |
| 22:00.46 | mutante | so.. isnt that a chicken/egg problem |
| 22:00.51 | Intelo | hm |
| 22:00.55 | Intelo | mutante, so what should I do? |
| 22:01.09 | mutante | use certbot to generate the config and see what it does different |
| 22:01.27 | mutante | or try http? |
| 22:02.02 | Intelo | mutante, will try http. What lines do I need to comment out? |
| 22:02.36 | jhutchins | Yeah, why wouldn't you follow the instructions on the letsencrypt site? |
| 22:05.01 | jhutchins | Intelo: Yeah, get it working in http then run certbot (clean up any old cruft it wrote first). |
| 22:05.05 | mutante | Intelo: none. if anything you need to change the proxy_pass line. |
| 22:05.33 | jhutchins | Intelo: Also, you might skim the manpage for certbot, there are some useful options. |
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| 22:06.16 | Intelo | jhutchins, mutante sudo certbot --nginx will make certs for all sites? I only want one and not others as others have paid certs |
| 22:06.41 | Intelo | mutante, ok, what exact line to comment if I go with http? |
| 22:07.30 | mutante | Intelo: you know how to search in a text file, right? |
| 22:07.41 | mutante | i mean.. you pasted and i pasted from that |
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| 22:09.35 | jhutchins | Intelo: I believe there's a way to specify one site, or you can disable the other sites temporarily. |
| 22:09.38 | Intelo | mutante, I doubt because I have to change line 47, 49, 50, 52, 55, 58, 59, 60, 66-68 |
| 22:10.03 | mutante | Intelo: we just talked about it.. https. only a single line mentions https |
| 22:10.10 | Intelo | jhutchins, but I have proxy pass 4321 port going stuff too |
| 22:10.14 | mutante | also.. use certbot. |
| 22:10.48 | Intelo | mutante, then line 55? |
| 22:11.28 | mutante | yes |
| 22:11.35 | Intelo | k |
| 22:11.41 | Intelo | making it http |
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| 22:13.49 | Intelo | mutante, same error stil |
| 22:16.02 | mutante | Intelo: use certbot --nginx. i'm out |
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| 22:16.28 | Intelo | mutante, ok |
| 22:16.34 | Intelo | mutante, how to do it for only one site? |
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| 22:25.00 | LtL | Intelo: if your webserver is up and running, listening on port 80 read, https://certbot.eff.org/lets-encrypt/debianbuster-nginx |
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| 22:28.55 | LtL | Intelo: i don't know nginx, but with apache you can be https in a few minutes or less IF your server is configured correctly. |
| 22:29.11 | Intelo | hm |
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| 22:45.16 | LtL | Intelo: if you're attempting to a cert for https://nbk.wordapp.com/ forget or fix it, firefox gives a 'dangerous site' message |
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| 22:46.21 | Intelo | LtL, cert generated. see again |
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| 22:46.51 | gamer | Hello |
| 22:46.57 | LtL | Intelo: Warning: Potential Security Risk Ahead |
| 22:48.20 | LtL | Intelo: http = same message but redirected to https and Warning: Potential Security Risk Ahead |
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| 22:51.03 | LtL | Intelo: this works, https://www.wordapp.com/ but using digicert |
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| 22:52.16 | FleaFart | Q: I have a battery monitor that displays my battery; however, I am not watching my HP ProBook 6560b all the time, so when I return it has shut down I had hoped that it would beep or buzz as a warning? So I am looking for a battery monitor that signals with sound.. using the PA for sound, if that makes a difference. |
| 22:54.01 | Intelo | LtL, https://nbk.wordapp.com/ works on firefox. Chroms says insecure |
| 22:54.44 | LtL | Intelo: now i get 502 bad gateway |
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| 22:55.31 | wakawako | hi there |
| 22:55.44 | wakawako | is nftables better than iptables? |
| 22:55.55 | annadane | afaik yes it's recommended over iptables |
| 22:56.10 | wakawako | but is it safer to use? |
| 22:56.12 | annadane | though it does have an iptables compatibility wrapper thing |
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| 22:56.46 | wakawako | read an article about security and this popped up |
| 22:57.41 | wakawako | said and done |
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| 22:58.39 | Intelo | LtL, tweaking |
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| 22:59.48 | wakawako | how do I install "geteltorito cli" through a repo? |
| 22:59.55 | Intelo | LtL, see again |
| 23:01.38 | LtL | Intelo: error Cannot GET / perhaps #nginx can help |
| 23:02.14 | nkuttler | wakawako: apt(-cache) search foo |
| 23:03.15 | wakawako | that exact command in debian? |
| 23:04.16 | wakawako | sure that the apt is safe to use? |
| 23:04.22 | wakawako | as in stable |
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| 23:06.49 | LtL | wakawako: geteltorito is in the genisoimage package |
| 23:07.17 | wakawako | how do I access that ? |
| 23:07.39 | wakawako | don´t want to make something that´s hard to reverse from |
| 23:08.26 | LtL | wakawako: # apt -s install genisoimage thats a dry-run |
| 23:08.57 | LtL | or apt show genisoimage |
| 23:08.58 | wakawako | with the square included |
| 23:09.37 | LtL | the hash means root prompt. |
| 23:09.44 | wakawako | ok |
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| 23:11.04 | wakawako | trying to follow this tutorial to install a bios update |
| 23:11.06 | wakawako | https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/update-lenovo-bios-from-linux-usb-stick-pen/ |
| 23:11.18 | LtL | wakawako: excuse me the -s dry-run is for using apt-get |
| 23:12.03 | wakawako | ok |
| 23:12.27 | LtL | wakawako: i wouldn't trust anything from vyberciti.biz |
| 23:12.41 | LtL | *cyberciti.biz |
| 23:12.41 | wakawako | sure about that? |
| 23:13.16 | LtL | no, i'm not. i would look to lenove, i didn't read your article however. |
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| 23:13.34 | wakawako | perhaps a little outdated info but seems to be not entirely unreliable |
| 23:13.47 | wakawako | ok |
| 23:13.58 | LtL | wakawako: if its wrong, you're bricked. |
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| 23:14.16 | wakawako | should I contact the vendor I got the machine from? |
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| 23:14.31 | wakawako | or the company who sold it |
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| 23:15.04 | LtL | wakawako: that would be a good idea, but you mention linux they'll probably hang-up on you. |
| 23:15.41 | wakawako | tried it once, they simply said that they don´t work with it |
| 23:15.53 | LtL | wakawako: why not look to lenovo and go from there? |
| 23:16.07 | wakawako | they only work with windows, windows 10 explicitly |
| 23:16.23 | Intelo | LtL, cannot get is fine. its my server |
| 23:16.26 | wakawako | the site is for lenovo |
| 23:16.40 | wakawako | https://support.lenovo.com/se/en/downloads/ds029724 |
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| 23:18.24 | wakawako | so far cyberciti.biz seems to be on track so far but then I don´t know if the commands are a sid/unstable thing that should be avoided to be done in stable |
| 23:18.33 | bernyrd | can I use diskimage-builder to build for debian? |
| 23:18.48 | bernyrd | it talks about supported distros, and that makes me ask here as opposed to somewhere else |
| 23:20.20 | LtL | wakawako: the cyberciti fix looks okay, bios updates are scary and you'll need the genisoimage package which installs, /usr/bin/geteltorito among other binaries |
| 23:20.38 | wakawako | you cannot be too sure even if it mentions that it should work fine |
| 23:20.53 | LtL | naturally. |
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| 23:21.34 | wakawako | especially when the use of a terminal comes in to play |
| 23:22.00 | LtL | terminal for the win |
| 23:22.24 | LtL | i wouldn't trust any other way. |
| 23:22.32 | wakawako | as far as it´s something you know what it does it is fine |
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| 23:22.50 | wakawako | such as update and upgrade |
| 23:22.54 | LtL | thats what manpages are for |
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| 23:26.19 | LtL | wakawako: look here also, https://fwupd.org/ |
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| 23:28.45 | LtL | wakawako: that last link uses .cab files which are for windows so probably forget that |
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| 23:29.39 | wakawako | looking for .iso bootable cd bios update |
| 23:32.01 | wakawako | that software update tool requires gnome |
| 23:32.15 | wakawako | but I use KDE right now |
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| 23:33.04 | LtL | wakawako: why do you need a bios update, any special reason for taking the risk? |
| 23:33.12 | BCMM | wakawako: what tool "requires gnome"? |
| 23:33.27 | BCMM | usually, applications from kde or gnome can run on any desktop environment |
| 23:33.48 | wakawako | ok |
| 23:34.05 | wakawako | was looking at the link |
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| 23:35.07 | LtL | wakawako: i have the geteltorito binary, installing the package should work under kde just fine |
| 23:35.21 | BCMM | wakawako: this bit? "This site is used by all major Linux distributions to provide metadata for clients such as fwupdmgr and GNOME Software." |
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| 23:36.10 | BCMM | i'm pretty sure that says that, if you don't like using gnome applications, you can just fwupdmgr on the command line |
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| 23:40.44 | wakawako | does it require root? |
| 23:41.01 | LtL | wakawako: the genisoimage package doesn't install much, but does what you need in cli |
| 23:41.19 | wakawako | what even is cli? |
| 23:41.20 | LtL | i doubt it |
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| 23:41.30 | LtL | command line interface |
| 23:41.37 | wakawako | oh |
| 23:42.25 | wakawako | getting bash: fwupdmgr: command is not found |
| 23:44.42 | BCMM | you need the fwupd package to use that command |
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| 23:58.32 | wakawako | despite the command not found messge it showed a little |
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