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| 00:10.33 | whislock | nsa_: Please stop spamming the channel. |
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| 00:28.46 | SerajewelKS | can one set the iscsi initiator name for a running qemu instance? |
| 00:28.56 | SerajewelKS | or does it have to be restarted to apply a new initiator name? |
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| 00:49.13 | brwoods | I'm trying to build a debian kernel but with some modded kconfig options, when I run "debian/rules debian/control" I get a python trace and "KeyError: 'gnu-type-package'" |
| 00:49.25 | brwoods | Any idea what's up? |
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| 00:58.31 | nvz | o.O |
| 00:58.43 | nvz | you don't rebuild kernel packages the same as other packages |
| 00:58.52 | nvz | !kernel maint |
| 00:59.08 | Delf | Who broke my multi-seat!? Having issues with multi-seat setup such as not being able to log back in after having logged out. Anyone else having this issue? Debian Buster. Proprietary nvidia drivers. |
| 00:59.15 | nvz | shrugs and wanders off... lookup the debian kernel maintainers handbook |
| 01:01.09 | brwoods | well, turns out it was because I was on Ubuntu 16.04, switched over to my buster VM and it works so |
| 01:01.20 | brwoods | Thanks Ubuntu (tm) |
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| 01:02.37 | asterismo_l | phogg, yes |
| 01:02.39 | asterismo_l | scalapack |
| 01:02.41 | asterismo_l | https://paste.debian.net/1110419/ |
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| 01:05.12 | phogg | asterismo_l: I see libs *starting* with that, but not that |
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| 01:08.43 | asterismo_l | libscalapack-openmpi.so |
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| 01:19.15 | asterismo_l | i get this error |
| 01:19.17 | asterismo_l | https://paste.debian.net/1110421/ |
| 01:19.24 | asterismo_l | when compiling phogg |
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| 01:33.49 | asterismo_l | this is a line in the compiling script: echo 'SLIBS=-L/usr/lib -lscalapack ' >> makefile |
| 01:34.14 | asterismo_l | what path should i use? I installed scalapack libs and it fails |
| 01:35.09 | asterismo_l | this is the error i get: https://paste.debian.net/1110421/ |
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| 01:35.26 | asterismo_l | and this are my available libs: https://paste.debian.net/1110419/ |
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| 01:55.31 | asterismo_l | anyone? |
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| 02:02.54 | trek00 | asterismo_l: use pkg-config --libs scalapack |
| 02:03.23 | trek00 | asterismo_l: it will output the string to put in your makefile |
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| 02:04.48 | trek00 | asterismo_l: may be it's pkg-config --libs scalapack-openmpi |
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| 02:07.17 | asterismo_l | trek00, THANK YOU |
| 02:07.29 | asterismo_l | it worked like a charm!!! |
| 02:07.37 | trek00 | :) |
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| 02:09.28 | ov3mind | anyone can help me on puseaudio, i had truble here q-when i login i need stop it and restart and the sound works only two times, any tip? |
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| 02:19.36 | jmcnaught | ov3mind: are you using pavucontrol? Does its 'Output devices' tab show your sound card before you restart pulseaudio? |
| 02:20.18 | sponix | If I install Debian 10, and then add the MX Linux repos -- will it blow up when I start installing apps ? |
| 02:21.01 | brwoods | Are they made/compiled for Buster? |
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| 02:21.56 | sponix | brwoods: Yes |
| 02:22.03 | brwoods | oh, just looked at what MX Linux is |
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| 02:23.21 | grimR | sponix: be careful updating after. That is where things can get messy. Disable the MX Linux repository during updates should help prevent breakage |
| 02:23.46 | jmcnaught | It's not recommended or supported to mix distros. |
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| 02:23.51 | brwoods | I'd avoid it myself, but I'm overly cautious with that type of thing so. |
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| 02:24.16 | sponix | ... I think I'll try it in a VM and see if it blows up in my face :) |
| 02:24.18 | jmcnaught | Just because two distros both use dpkg/apt for package management doesn't mean that they will be compatible. |
| 02:25.01 | brwoods | ^, even if it's based off of Debian stable doesn't mean it's compatible |
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| 03:13.54 | oiaohm | loupe: that does not look right. nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver << Notice the no -dkms |
| 03:15.18 | oiaohm | loupe: the one I referenced should pull in the libs and other things that may make Nvidia card work. When I get to needing nvidia legacy drivers I find it as a sign I need to upgrade. |
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| 03:19.07 | loupe | oiaohm> i get an error when I try to locate the package... doesn't dpkg look at apt cache? |
| 03:19.09 | loupe | dpkg-query: no packages found matching nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver |
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| 03:23.08 | loupe | nervermind found it |
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| 03:39.57 | loupe | oiaohm> after digging around, I discovered that the driver meta package was ALREADY installed ... something must have depended on it. SO... I don't know what to do. I'm running stretch because busters gnome always crashes after being logged in for about 22 seconds. I'm running dual boot stretch's ... I use one for testing and this one for stable use |
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| 03:42.23 | loupe | I can only log into a shell right now on the 'test' stretch... gnome started crashing after I installed the driver |
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| 03:49.54 | oxek | why does debian use by default umask 0022 in /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs instead of umask 0077 ? 0077 would help prevent users from shooting their own foot when configuring cryptokeys in initrd. |
| 03:50.49 | oxek | possibly related https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=578117 |
| 03:50.50 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/578117 in dropbear (closed, patch): «document UMASK initramfs.conf usage»; severity: normal; opened: 2009-07-08; last modified: 2010-05-28. |
| 03:55.55 | oxek | redhat had a related CVE https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2012-4453 |
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| 08:42.08 | no_gravity | Good Morning |
| 08:43.06 | no_gravity | I wonder why rsync does not allow source and dest to be remote machines. |
| 08:43.23 | Habbie | well |
| 08:43.31 | Habbie | 'how should it do that?' |
| 08:44.27 | no_gravity | Habbie: Read the data from the source via ssh and push it to the remote via ssh. |
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| 08:44.50 | ratrace | no_gravity: ssh remotemachine-1 "rsync --options /from/here/ remotemachine-2:/to/there/" :) |
| 08:45.17 | ratrace | no_gravity: unless you want to stream through your localmachine-0 ? |
| 08:45.37 | no_gravity | ratrace: Then the source machine would need the ssh keys of the destination machine. |
| 08:45.47 | ratrace | no_gravity: not if you specify -A to ssh |
| 08:46.20 | no_gravity | Interesting. |
| 08:46.22 | ratrace | (in theory, I haven't tried if auth forwarding works via rsync though, but it should as rsync uses standard ssh client facilities) |
| 08:46.30 | Habbie | (it works) |
| 08:46.34 | ratrace | (awesome!) |
| 08:46.49 | Habbie | i do it every day |
| 08:47.14 | no_gravity | Let me try that ... |
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| 08:50.01 | no_gravity | Since the source is a docker container, I would have to install sshd in it and forwards its ssh port. Hmm... |
| 08:50.14 | ratrace | no...wait....what? |
| 08:50.28 | ratrace | why are you ssh-ing into docker containers o.O! |
| 08:50.28 | Habbie | stop |
| 08:50.35 | Habbie | 'hold up' |
| 08:50.42 | ratrace | hold the phone! |
| 08:50.50 | Habbie | no, put down the phone |
| 08:51.14 | no_gravity | I'm open to alternatives. |
| 08:51.30 | no_gravity | I want to sinc /some/dir from a docker container to somehost:/some/dir |
| 08:51.49 | ratrace | ssh to the host? you shouldn't treat docker as a VM. no sshd in it pls. |
| 08:51.52 | Habbie | expose /some/dir to the host |
| 08:52.00 | Habbie | or, conversely, mount /some/dir from the host as a volume |
| 08:52.26 | ratrace | expose? but the host sees them all. docker is just a namespace. all paths in it should be available from the host |
| 08:52.43 | no_gravity | ratrace: ssh to the host and then what? |
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| 08:52.48 | no_gravity | Habbie: expose how? |
| 08:53.03 | Habbie | i said it wrong |
| 08:53.08 | Habbie | put /some/dir in a volume |
| 08:53.22 | Habbie | so that you can access it from host and container(s) |
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| 08:54.00 | no_gravity | Habbie: You mean "docker run -v /some/host/dir:/some/dir" |
| 08:54.07 | Habbie | no_gravity, that's one way, yes |
| 08:54.12 | Habbie | docker also has named volumes i think |
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| 08:54.38 | no_gravity | Habbie: But then the content of /some/host/dir would be in /some/dir. That makes no sense. |
| 08:54.52 | no_gravity | Habbie: I want the content of /some/dir in the container. |
| 08:55.00 | Habbie | then you'll need to run something in the container |
| 08:55.04 | Habbie | which you can do in many ways |
| 08:55.13 | Habbie | but it's much easier to use -v |
| 08:55.38 | no_gravity | Habbie: -v does *not* accomplish what I want. |
| 08:55.58 | Habbie | no_gravity, why not? |
| 08:56.08 | no_gravity | Habbie: In fact, a bunch of host dirs *are* mounted into /some/dir/subdir. |
| 08:56.20 | no_gravity | Habbie: I want the state of /some/dir as seen in the container. |
| 08:57.01 | Habbie | i have no more advice to give; maybe try #docker |
| 08:57.33 | no_gravity | I asked there. They don't. |
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| 08:58.45 | no_gravity | One way I used to get the whole dir out of the container is this: docker exec containername bash -c 'cd /some/dir && tar -cf - .' | ssh othermachine 'cd /some/dir && tar xf -' |
| 08:59.04 | no_gravity | But now I would prefer to update it via rsync then to do a full copy via tar. |
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| 09:00.29 | ratrace | no_gravity: what do you mean and then what? any path that's accessible from within docker should be accessible from the host too |
| 09:00.58 | no_gravity | ratrace: How so? |
| 09:01.01 | ratrace | no_gravity: like, if you have /some/path in (chrooted) container, from the host it'd be /path/to/container'sroot/some/path |
| 09:01.08 | ratrace | no_gravity: because it's a namespace, not a VM |
| 09:01.27 | ratrace | of course exceptions to what I wrote exist if you have a bind mount mess so views are totally different between host and container |
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| 09:01.33 | no_gravity | ratrace: I am sceptical. Let's find out. How do we figure out "/path/to/container'sroot"? |
| 09:01.48 | ratrace | no_gravity: you should know that, you configured them :) |
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| 09:02.25 | no_gravity | ratrace: Well, as I said, I doubt you are correct that there is a path on the host that shows what the container sees under /some/path |
| 09:02.43 | no_gravity | ratrace: And you mentioned exceptions already, so I think you agree. |
| 09:03.24 | ratrace | no_gravity: doesn't docker bind mount paths from the host to begin with? |
| 09:03.52 | Habbie | stop |
| 09:03.54 | Habbie | again |
| 09:04.02 | Habbie | these are implementation details |
| 09:04.11 | no_gravity | ratrace: Not sure what you mean. |
| 09:04.13 | Habbie | that, in the face of overlapping mounts, probably doesn't even work |
| 09:04.30 | Habbie | what ratrace says is -generally- true |
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| 09:05.16 | Habbie | example |
| 09:05.22 | Habbie | i just did 'touch foobar123' in a docker container |
| 09:05.33 | Habbie | and now these two files appeared visible on the host: |
| 09:05.35 | Habbie | /var/lib/docker/overlay2/7969410298f9d430b93e9a18b13d6624a50151180ee50e2e29d60b76d687d34f/merged/foobar123 |
| 09:05.37 | Habbie | /var/lib/docker/overlay2/7969410298f9d430b93e9a18b13d6624a50151180ee50e2e29d60b76d687d34f/diff/foobar123 |
| 09:05.58 | ratrace | right... so the bind mount overly mess.... ogawd... |
| 09:06.03 | ratrace | *overlay |
| 09:06.30 | Habbie | yes |
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| 09:09.11 | no_gravity | installs sshd in the container: apt-get install openssh-server -y |
| 09:09.34 | ratrace | okay so the key point here is that docker should not be treated as a VM. no ssh-ing in it (you technically can, but then you technically can run DOS too :) ) |
| 09:09.50 | no_gravity | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:09.58 | ratrace | which means you should configure it in such a way that all storage paths are primarily host side, bind-mounted into the docker for its pleasure and business. |
| 09:10.23 | ratrace | no_gravity: because dockers are designed to isolate and contain single process (and their privsep subprocess) use cases |
| 09:10.26 | Habbie | yes, but because no_gravity pieces together that dir from bindmounted and nonbindmounted things |
| 09:10.34 | Habbie | there is no path on the host that reflects the total state of that dir |
| 09:10.38 | ratrace | they're NOT designed to be treated as "light" VMs, even though technically you CAN do that. |
| 09:10.51 | no_gravity | ratrace: By that logic you should not eat apples. As they are not designed to be eaten. |
| 09:10.57 | Habbie | well |
| 09:10.59 | Habbie | you should not eat apples |
| 09:11.01 | Habbie | there we agree |
| 09:11.05 | ratrace | no_gravity: no that's a hyperbole with no logical reasoning |
| 09:11.32 | Habbie | but seriously |
| 09:11.35 | Habbie | #docker :) |
| 09:11.36 | ratrace | no_gravity: best tool for the job etc... if you want "light" VM-like environment using containers, there's LXC for that |
| 09:11.41 | Habbie | oh no_gravity is there already |
| 09:11.45 | no_gravity | ratrace: Docker works fine for me. |
| 09:12.34 | ratrace | no_gravity: then your problem is solved? |
| 09:13.13 | no_gravity | ratrace: I'm solving it via ssh -A into the container and then doing the rsync from there. |
| 09:13.31 | ratrace | great :) |
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| 09:58.30 | Skuggen | Hi all. I'm looking at the new members process, and it mentions using an inline pgp signature for sending the request. I can't seem to get mutt to actually do this (it just wants to send the signature as an attachment). Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 11:27.44 | dpkg | ribbonrunner: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 11:42.49 | Yuan | msg dpkg guidelines |
| 11:43.26 | wrksx | !paste |
| 11:43.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 11:45.04 | Haohmaru | violators will be hunted down and put to jail for 48 hours |
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| 11:45.43 | Haohmaru | where they will be surrounded with windows10 screenshots |
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| 11:57.56 | jmd | I'm running Debian on a PC. So I wonder how I can configure it to avoid /bin/login and and display managers. Is there a howto for this? |
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| 11:58.50 | klys | jmd, sysvinit, systemd, or upstart |
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| 12:00.04 | jelly | jmd: you want autologin? |
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| 12:04.38 | jmd | jelly: I guess you could call it that. |
| 12:04.54 | eypo | jmd, systemctl disable getty-static.service and systemctl disable <your display manager of choice> (gdm, kdm, lightdm, xdm...) |
| 12:05.12 | eypo | but, that way you could only login using ssh from another computer |
| 12:07.56 | jelly | I have no idea how up-to-date this is: |
| 12:07.59 | jelly | !autologin |
| 12:07.59 | dpkg | If you want an insecure box that boots into a session with your user. Xdm cannot do autologin but gdm and kdm can if you really want them to. (But do you?) The <nodm> package is a good way of automating this. |
| 12:08.03 | jelly | !nodm |
| 12:08.03 | dpkg | In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (https://github.com/spanezz/nodm). |
| 12:08.21 | jelly | just the last "nodm" sentence. |
| 12:09.06 | jelly | eypo: actually disabling services will leave them unable to log in at all; I'm not sure that's what they want |
| 12:10.45 | eypo | jelly, it seems akward to me too, but... |
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| 12:34.28 | xormor | 4.19.0-6-amd64 |
| 12:34.38 | xormor | Linux debianvakaa 4.19.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.67-2+deb10u1 (2019-09-20) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:34.41 | Grelek | Hello, we're currently migrating from Alpine and we'd like to use Alpine's apk feature "virtual package" or "virtual groups". Basically we want to install some packages and mark them so we can remove them all by using a single name. Is it possible in apt-get/apt? |
| 12:35.03 | xormor | is this a good kernel to run on Debian? is it the latest from the 4 series that I can get as "a normal default kernel"? |
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| 12:42.55 | jmosco | so during install, the "debian desktop environment" is selected by default. From my understanding, that is gnome. what is the difference when selecting the gnome option under the default debian desktop environment ? |
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| 12:45.19 | jmosco | https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/05/msg00489.html |
| 12:45.26 | jmosco | think I found my answer |
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| 12:45.45 | u0_a226 | tes |
| 12:45.55 | aanndf | jul |
| 12:46.08 | u0_a226 | apa |
| 12:46.09 | aanndf | jul |
| 12:46.15 | aanndf | nick loe ganti |
| 12:46.25 | aanndf | biar we ga puching:v |
| 12:46.44 | u0_a226 | mr.t |
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| 12:46.59 | u0_a226 | apa |
| 12:47.15 | u0_a226 | banyak yang join den |
| 12:47.17 | Unit193 | u0_a226, aanndf: This is the Debian support channel, please keep your discussion on support questions. |
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| 12:47.33 | u0_a226 | hay brother |
| 12:47.38 | aanndf | jul |
| 12:47.42 | aanndf | nick loe ganti |
| 12:47.43 | u0_a226 | naon |
| 12:47.47 | u0_a226 | tar |
| 12:48.02 | u0_a226 | ga bisa |
| 12:48.16 | aanndf | itu bisa sat |
| 12:48.38 | tazul | ga bisa |
| 12:48.45 | aanndf | hi all |
| 12:48.50 | tazul | banyak yang join |
| 12:49.02 | tazul | dari luar negri semua |
| 12:49.09 | ksk | I asked for a way to easily lookup switches in manpages like some years ago, reddit to the rescue: "/^[[:space:]]+-r" - works for me (but I will never be able to remember that regex ;) |
| 12:49.09 | aanndf | hi all |
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| 12:49.16 | aanndf | how are you |
| 12:49.26 | tazul | ga bakal ngerti bege |
| 12:49.29 | aanndf | do you want fuck with me? |
| 12:49.30 | ksk | !english |
| 12:49.30 | dpkg | English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope). |
| 12:49.39 | tazul | awoakwow |
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| 12:49.54 | aanndf | i have big dick |
| 12:49.56 | aanndf | awokwok |
| 12:49.57 | ksk | !ops tazul aanndf |
| 12:49.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: ksk complains about a problem (see above) |
| 12:50.01 | tazul | wkwkwkwk |
| 12:50.31 | tazul | keluar lah den gw mau nge ddos |
| 12:50.32 | torchinz | hi guys, I have been able to install nvidia driver on buster. I tried nvtop to check the usage and it appears that the card is not being used |
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| 12:56.42 | ksk | torchinz: did you checkout https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers already? If so, which steps did you perform? |
| 12:57.02 | ksk | which version of debian are you running, which driver did you install? |
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| 12:58.20 | torchinz | Hi. I am on Debian Buster and the driver version (using nvidia-smi) is 418.74. My card is GeForce GTX 950m |
| 12:59.20 | torchinz | I have an intel integrated graphics too |
| 13:00.24 | torchinz | intel hd graphics 530 |
| 13:01.36 | torchinz | any idea here? |
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| 13:06.37 | ksk | torchinz: did you read the wiki entry I just liked? It has a paragraph about having a secondary/primary intel GPU, too. |
| 13:07.13 | torchinz | damn it, I just saw that. I can't believe I missed that :/ |
| 13:07.20 | ksk | also, I am not very into linux desktops, so it would also be nice if you could say which driver you installed how (again, according to the wiki), so we can get a better picture ;) |
| 13:07.37 | BCMM | torchinz: is it an Nvidia Optimus laptop? |
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| 13:08.08 | BCMM | of so, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/Optimus |
| 13:08.58 | torchinz | based on the test, the graphics card 950m is on optimus' list |
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| 13:11.26 | torchinz | what to do if it is an optimus laptop |
| 13:11.35 | OS-12695 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:12.58 | BCMM | torchinz: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/Optimus |
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| 13:13.41 | L7 | there's a bug in debian 10, where the screensaver doesn't cover the 300pixels from the right to the left of the screen, with screensaver lockd- u can still use whatev on the desktop in those 300px range.. ^_^ nice 1.. |
| 13:13.48 | BCMM | torchinz: actually this link might be better https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 13:14.35 | sklv1 | hi, i don't have any of the lvm commands but lvm2 is installed - any ideas? |
| 13:14.36 | karlpinc | L7: Check bugs.debian.org. There might be a work-around. If not you could file a bug and somebody might come up with one. |
| 13:14.46 | torchinz | BCMM, can you explain this a little? "You can use your NVIDIA card for rendering graphics which will be displayed using the Intel card. " |
| 13:15.12 | BCMM | torchinz: that's how optimus hardware works. your intel GPU is connected to the screen. your nvidia gpu is not. |
| 13:15.22 | BCMM | (well, not directly) |
| 13:15.38 | karlpinc | !tell sklv1 about su |
| 13:15.41 | torchinz | follow up question: so the nvidia gpu is not used? |
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| 13:16.08 | karlpinc | sklv1: Your either not root or your haven't become root in a way that properly sets $PATH. |
| 13:16.21 | BCMM | torchinz: no, that is an incorrect conclusion |
| 13:16.45 | L7 | all i know is that _gateway is a perfectly fine name for a BSID.. ;-) |
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| 13:17.08 | torchinz | sorry, I am a little confused here. 950m has a 4GB memory, so would bumblebee using that? |
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| 13:18.04 | BCMM | i'm really not sure where the memory comes in to it... |
| 13:18.11 | sklv1 | i used su to become root. how unreasonable. |
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| 13:18.27 | BCMM | torchinz: maybe this would help https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Optimus#Operation |
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| 13:18.54 | L7 | o yeaaaaa:ddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd |
| 13:18.55 | L7 | there's also a bug in ubuntu 18 and 19, prolly prior to those too, it deletes a random char in the middle of your passwd when choosing encryption in the installer, passwd -> \][123...[]\ |
| 13:19.04 | L7 | dunno if it's debian related or not, but prolly so |
| 13:19.12 | BCMM | torchinz: but the conclusion is that, to get high performance graphics, the intel and nvidia devices will have to work together, and there are instructions on the debian wiki for how to achieve that. |
| 13:19.34 | sklv1 | fixed, but having dpkg -i and loads of commands not work if you use su is objectively stupid. |
| 13:19.45 | L7 | if any1 can send me foodz n booze n ganja n topnotch women, that'd be gr8 |
| 13:19.52 | L7 | ^_^ |
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| 13:19.59 | L7 | s/sc/screen/]D]D]D]D |
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| 13:20.08 | L7 | dddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd |
| 13:20.15 | sklv1 | to what address? |
| 13:20.27 | L7 | hey CrystalMath, fix that reactos already where you can drag the icons around on the desktop and they remain in place instead of restacking em ^_^ |
| 13:20.39 | L7 | 101 mead cir, west monroe, louisiana.. ;-) THX |
| 13:20.43 | torchinz | BCMM, are you refering to to this guide for full performance? https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/NvidiaXrun |
| 13:20.51 | L7 | no scallywagz tho |
| 13:21.01 | L7 | Francias, mi bite dans ton cul, la`Quenella |
| 13:21.03 | L7 | ciao |
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| 13:21.35 | CrystalMath | L7: there's no problem with icons that i know about |
| 13:22.00 | L7 | everytime i try reactos and drag the icon to a custom placement, it puts it back to original set place |
| 13:22.36 | L7 | howz it going to farewell with x87 CrystalMath? care to pm? |
| 13:23.44 | L7 | 65365x65365px resolution, do you have a stress tester?? my friend wrote one long ago, it's a staircase ;-) |
| 13:24.14 | melpy | yes |
| 13:24.17 | L7 | o_O i go now, cu all l8r |
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| 13:24.28 | BCMM | torchinz: no. |
| 13:24.36 | L7 | keep up the good work |
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| 13:25.20 | BCMM | i was referring to the page that i linked you to, and i don't really know how to make it any clearer than that. |
| 13:25.26 | BCMM | !optimus |
| 13:25.26 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:25.53 | BCMM | torchinz: have a look at the above factoid. i'm out. |
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| 13:49.17 | karlpinc | What's wrong with my brain? I thought that if I had 'w' permissions on the containing directory I can change the group of a file. But I get a permission error. |
| 13:49.34 | greycat | Only the owner of a file, or root, can change the file's group. |
| 13:49.54 | karlpinc | Well, that's plain enough. Thanks. |
| 13:49.56 | greycat | w perms on a directory would allow you to remove the file and create a whole new one in its place, but not to modify an existing file's content or metadata |
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| 13:51.48 | cinesc | hi again |
| 13:52.47 | cinesc | is modifying the grub file as root safe to do if you have problems using apparmor? |
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| 14:01.51 | uio | Hi. When I open Thunar and then run pdflatex -synctex=1 file.tex, file.pdf is shown to be empty. If I close Thunar and reopen it, then file.pdf is shown to be non-null. This issue is not produced with pcmanfm, and does occur in Thunar if I run pdflatex -synctex=0 file.tex Any thoughts? |
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| 14:03.30 | uio | Also changing folders and then coming back to file.pdf without closing Thunar avoids this display issue. What is causing this? |
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| 14:06.21 | premoboss | hi |
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| 14:14.32 | uio | Or maybe this is feature lol |
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| 14:16.29 | premoboss | ACTUAL SITUATION: pc_A and pc_B are connected, no matter wifi or wired. On A there is a bash program, it is a "menu" done with whiptail that allow me to do some settings on A.. form B i ssh into A, run program, all ok. NEED: i wish to do it using web browser on B (and web server on A) but without to port the scrip from bash to php (3000+ lines of code). So, I guess if When from B i do http://ip_A i need that web server on A |
| 14:16.29 | premoboss | "start and show" the bash script, so i can use it from B. how to do? |
| 14:17.41 | greycat | You can't just run a terminal menu program in a web browser. You have to rewrite it. It doesn't have to be in PHP -- more likely you would rewrite it using native web form widgets, and possibly javascript. |
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| 14:18.45 | Lope | ratrace, are you around bud? |
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| 14:21.14 | premoboss | greycat, rewrite is exactly what i wish to avoid :-( |
| 14:21.57 | premoboss | i remenber years ago it exists "something" that allow you to oper a scell command line on server from web browser of client... but i dont remember where i fount it. |
| 14:21.59 | jelly | premoboss: there are terminal+ssh clients that work inside browser. |
| 14:22.18 | premoboss | jelly, that ok i think. where to find it? |
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| 14:24.14 | uio | Why would Thunar have this issue and not pcmanfm? |
| 14:24.47 | jelly | premoboss: no idea. Google finds eg. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/termius-ssh-client/fjcdjmmkgnkgihjnlbgcdamkadlkbmam?hl=en |
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| 14:25.50 | jmcnaught | ,i shellinabox |
| 14:25.51 | judd | Package shellinabox (web, optional) in buster/amd64: publish command line shell through AJAX interface. Version: 2.21; Size: 122.6k; Installed: 506k; Homepage: http://shellinabox.com |
| 14:25.53 | greycat | google dropped one of their lab animals on their keyboard, there |
| 14:26.06 | xormor | uio, why not use Nautilus? It seems it is my GNOME default file manager. |
| 14:26.25 | uio | xormor I'm on XFCE |
| 14:26.31 | xormor | uio, ok. |
| 14:28.49 | premoboss | shgellinabox. i check |
| 14:29.40 | jmcnaught | shellinabox sounds crazy to me, but I knew it existed |
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| 14:32.10 | xormor | how do I use shellinabox? |
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| 14:35.13 | jelly | xormor: if there's a README or README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/shellinabox/, read that |
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| 14:36.42 | uio | cheers |
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| 14:38.13 | jelly | xormor: or look at the package contents and see if there's a command in a bin/ directory, and a man or info page for it |
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| 14:40.31 | xormor | jelly, I read the man page. I am going to restart the computer and try to use it again. |
| 14:44.10 | premoboss | jmcnaught, nice, i installed shellinabox and it works. but i would like to "automatize" the login and run directly the script i need... is it possible? |
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| 14:45.01 | jmcnaught | premoboss: I don't know, I just knew shellinabox existed. If it were me I would probably try to find a solution that doesn't involve a browser. |
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| 14:46.21 | greycat | You can automate an ssh login with key authentication, and ssh-agent on the client side. |
| 14:46.32 | premoboss | jmcnaught, to me, ssh+bash script ios enough. but this shound be managed also by people not skilled with CLI, ssh and so on. so i am forced to rewrite in php or so some "dirty trick" to export the bash cli program via web browser. |
| 14:46.36 | xormor | jelly, it did not work. but I do not need it. |
| 14:46.41 | greycat | You could write a one-letter shell function/alias to kick it off. |
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| 14:53.21 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 14:53.39 | xormor | tobiasBora, hello. |
| 14:53.47 | xormor | tobiasBora, don't ask to ask. just ask. |
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| 14:56.33 | tobiasBora | My laptop has a HDD, with some ext4 over LVM partitions. My hard drive is nearly full (I need to remove stuff from time to time), and I noticed recently very strange file corruptions. Some pictures were just impossible to open, some were incomplete... And today, I was compiling some documents in LaTeX (no error so fars), and suddently, one picture that was here since 10 days got suddently a super strange |
| 14:56.35 | tobiasBora | appearance, with basically the blue layer removed on the lower part, leaving a very redish picture. |
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| 14:58.55 | tobiasBora | I thought that HDD were pretty resistant... but I'm thinking more and more than my hard drive is having some issues. Do you think it's plausible? Do you see other explanations? If yes, can I recover corrupted files? Can I run some tools to check if my hard drive is close to die or not, and are these tools dangerous for my hard drive? (my last backup is a few months old and I don't want to lose my last |
| 14:58.57 | tobiasBora | pictures) |
| 14:59.32 | tobiasBora | also, I'm very concerned to see my LVM partition corrupted, and to lose everything. Is there any trick to save the partition somewhere and avoid such lose? |
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| 14:59.52 | tobiasBora | (I mean to save the LVM "partition table") |
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| 15:04.46 | xormor | how well is Debian supported on Amiga? |
| 15:05.10 | greycat | !m68k |
| 15:05.10 | dpkg | [m68k] Motorola 680x0 CPU family. Used in old world Apple Macintosh, Amiga, Palm, old Sun workstations and various VME bus systems. Linux m68k runs on some of these, ucLinux should run on the less powerful models. As of Debian 4.0 "Etch", the m68k port is not a release architecture. http://www.debian.org/ports/m68k/ http://wiki.debian.org/M68k http://www.linux-m68k.org/faq/faq.html #debian-68k on irc.oftc.net. See also <basilisk>. |
| 15:05.54 | greycat | Hasn't been supported in a really long time. |
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| 15:16.02 | darsie | misses the unmount applet in the xfce toolbar. |
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| 15:19.09 | lunchslut | Is there an easy tool to compare the list of orphaned packages (abandoned by their maintainers) with those installed on my system? |
| 15:19.18 | greycat | !deborphan |
| 15:19.18 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://deb.li/3qpqF provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of HDD. Ask me about <debfoster><autoremove><unmarkauto>. |
| 15:19.31 | greycat | oh, hmm, that's not quite the thing you asked for |
| 15:19.38 | lunchslut | Yeah, thats a different type of orphan :D |
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| 15:20.06 | jelly | curse you, Debian sense of overloading words with a dozen meanings |
| 15:20.08 | greycat | Can you even *get* a list of packages that are "abandoned"? |
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| 15:20.30 | lunchslut | https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned |
| 15:20.49 | Epakai | darsie: udiskie does the job well. i'm not on xfce so i don't know if there's something more integrated |
| 15:20.58 | greycat | so... manually scrape or type it from that web page? |
| 15:21.07 | lunchslut | Yeah that was my plan B |
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| 15:22.00 | jelly | !wnpp |
| 15:22.00 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 15:22.14 | lunchslut | Awesome! Thank you |
| 15:22.20 | lunchslut | That sounds like it'll do it :) |
| 15:22.22 | jelly | also, how-can-i-help |
| 15:22.41 | jelly | ,i how-can-i-help |
| 15:22.42 | judd | Package how-can-i-help (devel, optional) in buster/amd64: show opportunities for contributing to Debian. Version: 16; Size: 11.3k; Installed: 37k; Homepage: https://wiki.debian.org/how-can-i-help; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/how-can-i-help |
| 15:23.44 | jelly | lunchslut: in fact, "how-can-i-help --show O" seems to be exactly what you want |
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| 15:25.31 | jelly | or not. I can't get it to show the intersection of both "orphaned" and "installed locally but requiring _any_ kind of help" |
| 15:26.02 | lunchslut | It seems wnpp-alert does that |
| 15:26.55 | lunchslut | Or at least it shows those marked orphaned and RFH/RFA which is even better |
| 15:27.05 | lunchslut | Many thanks jelly! |
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| 15:29.03 | geoff343 | Has anyone on Debian Buster with Xfce (4.12) reported that Mousepad occasionally crashes when finding or replacing text? |
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| 15:29.27 | Lope | bbl |
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| 15:56.11 | wrksx | What does the T stand for on file permissions? |
| 15:56.17 | wrksx | drwx--x--T 2 root root 4096 oct. 25 17:55 crontabs |
| 15:56.38 | greycat | sticky bit is set, but execute bit is not. I'm pretty sure this is documented somewhere. |
| 15:57.00 | jelly | wrksx: it means "sticky bit is set, and execute bit for "other", usually seen in that place, is not set" |
| 15:57.11 | jelly | hm, should have escaped the inner "" |
| 15:57.34 | jelly | !sticky bit |
| 15:57.34 | dpkg | well, sticky bit is the "t" bit on /tmp. When set on a directory, it means that users cannot unlink anyone else's files (and a few other things). It has no effect on files in Linux or FreeBSD; on some other Unices it has another meaning, usually related to swapping or the page cache. |
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| 15:57.50 | greycat | It's in the info page, but not the man page. "info ls | less" and search for sticky. |
| 15:59.07 | wrksx | Thx.Oh and yeah I didn't even remember there was the info command... Is there a specific reason why both coexist. |
| 15:59.26 | greycat | The GNU project hates man pages. |
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| 15:59.42 | wrksx | ow i didn't know... |
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| 16:00.42 | wrksx | lol info pages looks like my draft notes when trying a new thing |
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| 16:18.58 | darsie | aptitude install xfce4-mount-plugin did it :). |
| 16:19.11 | darsie | Epakai: |
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| 16:23.01 | ratrace | Anyone using i3-wm and latest Firefox ESR? I see some glitches with the hamburger menu drawing, there's a thick black border. Y'all see the same? |
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| 16:23.26 | ratrace | There's no such border under.... uhh.... GNOME. |
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| 16:24.52 | horrible_ | What windowing system am I using |
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| 16:26.11 | horribleprogram | why xmodmap -e 'clear Lock' -e 'keycode 0x42 = Escape' no work |
| 16:26.30 | horribleprogram | it used to work until I updated one time those stupid Debian updates every 6 seconds |
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| 16:26.50 | horribleprogram | I use CAPS LOCK for <esc> for Vim |
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| 16:27.56 | cinesc | if apparmor doesn´t want to mount, is modifying grup safe to do without getting a crash? |
| 16:30.13 | ratrace | cinesc: can you elaborate? I don't quite understand what you're asking. |
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| 16:31.04 | greycat | It's a follow-up from an earlier problem. They're getting some kind of error message from apparmor. The message seems to be *saying* that some file system isn't mounted, but when they checked, /sys/kernel/security *was* in fact mounted. |
| 16:31.19 | greycat | So, it's really unclear what the error means. I would suggest Googling it and praying. |
| 16:32.13 | ratrace | I see |
| 16:32.32 | ratrace | I thought they were asking about AppArmor's mount policy rule |
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| 16:33.01 | greycat | I have absolutely no idea what they are trying to ask about grub. |
| 16:33.28 | ratrace | greycat: I understood that as (typo'd) group, not grub |
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| 16:33.43 | ratrace | hence the whole confusion in parsing what was said :) |
| 16:34.03 | greycat | 09:52 cinesc> is modifying the grub file as root safe to do if you have problems using apparmor? |
| 16:34.04 | cinesc | someone yesterday suggested me to open up grub and paste "apparmor=1" and something else |
| 16:34.12 | greycat | 12:27 cinesc> if apparmor doesn´t want to mount, is modifying grup safe to do without getting a crash? |
| 16:34.28 | cinesc | that is what I am asking about yes. |
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| 16:35.20 | cinesc | can´t open up the grup file anymore |
| 16:35.21 | greycat | If you're unsure what this boot parameter is going to do, you could just set it one time by editing the parameters in GRUB interactively, instead of modifying files permanently. |
| 16:35.38 | cinesc | what does that mean? |
| 16:35.50 | cinesc | grub* |
| 16:36.22 | greycat | In GRUB, you can use the keyboard to do stuff while booting. One of the things you can do is press 'e' to edit the selected menu item before booting it. |
| 16:37.07 | cinesc | successfully opened up grub with kate |
| 16:38.20 | ratrace | cinesc: is this for Stretch? |
| 16:38.29 | cinesc | yes |
| 16:38.49 | cinesc | also buster |
| 16:38.54 | ratrace | yes, stretch required appArmor enabling explicitly on the kernel command line (unlike Buster where it's now default enabled) |
| 16:39.04 | cinesc | ok |
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| 16:54.24 | Latr_work | Guys, I am trying to bring X back on my Dell XPS 7390 with i7 10th Gen and UHD 630 https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/196449/intel-core-i7-10510u-processor-8m-cache-up-to-4-80-ghz.html |
| 16:54.31 | horribleprogram | The Debian 10 default installation is GNOME? |
| 16:54.39 | Latr_work | but the GPU is not recognized for some reason |
| 16:55.12 | greycat | horribleprogram: depends on which installer you use, but MOST importantly, it depends on what you select during the installation |
| 16:55.20 | horribleprogram | greycat: how can I know |
| 16:55.24 | horribleprogram | greycat: xmodmap isn't working |
| 16:55.28 | Latr_work | xserver-xorg-video-intel is installed and i915 drive is loaded. Not sure what else I need |
| 16:55.33 | greycat | You don't know what you chose? |
| 16:55.44 | towo` | Latr_work, non-free firmware |
| 16:55.55 | horribleprogram | greycat: dude it's the default one |
| 16:56.14 | towo` | Latr_work, but maybe 10th Gen could be too new for debian stable |
| 16:56.14 | horribleprogram | greycat: is there a way to check |
| 16:56.25 | horribleprogram | greycat: like systemctl status GNOME |
| 16:56.35 | greycat | So that's a "yes". You don't know what you chose. You probably can't tell me what installer you used, either. Well, if we assume a reasonably normal installer, and you chose "gimme a desktop, I don't care which one", then yes, you would have GNOME. Probably. Perhaps. Maybe. |
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| 16:57.09 | Latr_work | towo`: it works with Ubuntu, at least the one that came with the latop |
| 16:57.10 | horribleprogram | greycat: if i log out, can't you choose which desktop environment to boot into? |
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| 16:57.21 | Latr_work | I just forgot to check what kernel it was on damn it |
| 16:57.31 | horribleprogram | yeah |
| 16:57.58 | Latr_work | firmware-linux-nonfree is installed |
| 16:58.11 | horribleprogram | greycat: when you're prompted for a password, there's a settings cog you can press, and it shows System X11 Default, GNOME, GNOME Classic, GNOME on Xorg, and the GNOME is the bulleted one |
| 16:58.26 | greycat | Sounds like buster, then. |
| 16:58.33 | horribleprogram | it is |
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| 16:58.57 | greycat | And you chose (or allowed the installer to choose for you) GNOME, and you've been running the default buster GNOME session which uses Wayland instead of X. |
| 16:59.09 | horribleprogram | my point is my .xinitrc doesn't work anymore |
| 16:59.12 | horribleprogram | greycat: AHHH |
| 16:59.32 | horribleprogram | iight that should help me find a solution easier than |
| 17:00.12 | greycat | looks at https://wiki.debian.org/Wayland#FAQ once again |
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| 17:00.48 | greycat | I could add even more questions, but nobody's answered the ones that are already there, so it seems pointless. |
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| 17:04.59 | Afss | Anyone idea why chromium is capped to 60 fps in ubuntu, I have set 144hz in nvidia settings so rest of the desktop has 144 fps |
| 17:05.13 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 17:06.07 | horribleprogram | greycat: where do I put xrdb -load .Xsession |
| 17:06.31 | greycat | You're asking me how to configure Wayland? Good luck with that. |
| 17:06.36 | ratrace | Afss: #ubuntu :) |
| 17:06.38 | horribleprogram | greycat: in some /etc/init.d/ script? |
| 17:06.48 | greycat | Did anyone answer the basic questions on https://wiki.debian.org/Wayland#FAQ in the last 3 minutes? |
| 17:07.23 | Afss | ratrace unfortunatle i dont have account rn |
| 17:07.28 | Afss | i cant join |
| 17:08.40 | cinesc | so what you are telling me is that I should upgrade to buster as soon as possible? |
| 17:08.50 | ratrace | Afss: it's trivial to create an account. |
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| 17:09.54 | horribleprogram | greycat: yeah loginctl show-session 231 -p Type --> Type=wayland |
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| 17:10.37 | cinesc | @ratrace yes, stretch required appArmor enabling explicitly on the kernel command line (unlike Buster where it's now default enabled) |
| 17:10.40 | ratrace | horribleprogram: Wayland is a protocol, not a thing you run. when you ask "how do I do XX under Wayland", you must really ask "how do I do XX under this specific Walyand compositor here" |
| 17:10.56 | ratrace | horribleprogram: which would imply that maybe different compositors do stuff differently... |
| 17:10.58 | cinesc | what commandline do I have to use? |
| 17:11.27 | ratrace | cinesc: apparmor=1 security=apparmor |
| 17:11.35 | ratrace | grub/kernel command line that is |
| 17:11.52 | cinesc | so it´s safe to do? |
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| 17:12.00 | cinesc | as root |
| 17:12.06 | ratrace | cinesc: yea I just looked at my Stretch deployment scripts, I used that |
| 17:12.17 | horribleprogram | ratrace: okay how I change back to X11 |
| 17:12.18 | greycat | ratrace: your spoon is not large enough. They think they're supposed to type that into a shell. |
| 17:12.19 | ratrace | cinesc: uhhhh that's kernel command line, you set that up in /etc/default/grub |
| 17:12.20 | cinesc | it works fine with it? |
| 17:12.52 | cinesc | in grub? |
| 17:12.54 | ratrace | horribleprogram: whatever DM you're using (by default GNOME + GDM) should have the option to change the session. GDM has this cog icon next to the login button |
| 17:12.56 | greycat | ratrace: I think you will need to SHOW them exactly what the file needs to look like, and even then, you might end up needing to tell them keystroke by keystroke how to run an editor |
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| 17:13.24 | cinesc | more detailed instructions, yes that is what I need. |
| 17:13.32 | ratrace | horribleprogram: greycat is right. if you don't know how to set that up, you should NOT use Apparmor, you'll just lock yourself out of your computer :) |
| 17:13.33 | horribleprogram | ratrace: yeah that's the one, I got 4 different ways to login ;) |
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| 17:13.57 | cinesc | the line is supposed to look like this? GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet apparmor=1 security=apparmor" |
| 17:14.09 | greycat | oh, surprising. they actually got it "right". |
| 17:14.30 | cinesc | what´s wrong? |
| 17:14.35 | ratrace | cinesc: yeah, and don't forget to run update-grub |
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| 17:14.57 | horribleprogram | ratrace: da fuck are you talking about |
| 17:15.16 | ratrace | horribleprogram: about the cog icon in GDM login screen? |
| 17:15.16 | greycat | horribleprogram: figure it out from context. |
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| 17:15.33 | horribleprogram | ratrace: I'm not trying to install apparmor |
| 17:15.49 | greycat | *obviously* that was misdirected. CONTEXT. there are other people in this channel. |
| 17:15.54 | ratrace | horribleprogram: oh sorry, I misttabed :) two convos at the same time |
| 17:15.58 | horribleprogram | ahhh |
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| 17:16.11 | horribleprogram | greycat: sorry |
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| 17:20.13 | CrystalMath | why doesn't debian's slrnpull package have a sample slrnpull.conf? |
| 17:20.14 | cinesc | as root after just pasting the additional text and then save the change I should use update-grub as root in the terminal then restart the computer to then run aa-status and see if anything changed to the better? |
| 17:20.31 | greycat | cinesc: yes |
| 17:20.33 | CrystalMath | it's literally impossible to write this important conf file, as there is **zero** information on the syntax |
| 17:20.48 | cinesc | this better be working without a hitch |
| 17:21.49 | greycat | CrystalMath: https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/slrnpull/filelist shows /etc/news/slrnpull.conf |
| 17:22.22 | cinesc | save with the text editor´s save feature then close? |
| 17:22.53 | ratrace | ... |
| 17:23.03 | greycat | I mentioned the spoon-feeding... |
| 17:23.09 | CrystalMath | oh |
| 17:23.16 | ratrace | cinesc: if you don't know THAT... then how are you supposed to use AppArmor? There are no policies for that thing by default, except a very few basic ones |
| 17:23.22 | CrystalMath | hehe, oops, somehow i missed that |
| 17:24.04 | cinesc | this is quite new to me so I need to be sure that it goes right |
| 17:24.29 | greycat | cinesc: what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:25.27 | horribleprogram | greycat: ratrace: What's weird is that with a X11 default login, nothing has changed... |
| 17:25.39 | cinesc | following your instructions and want to be clear on what is going to happen except the changes I made |
| 17:25.44 | horribleprogram | greycat: ratrace: obviously loginctl show-session 235 -p Type shows Type=x11 |
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| 17:25.50 | horribleprogram | but I thought it would be like completely different |
| 17:26.23 | greycat | cinesc: why are you trying to turn on AppArmor in a release where it's not enabled by default? What is your end goal? |
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| 17:26.56 | cinesc | I want to see if there is something wrong with my computer or not |
| 17:27.03 | ratrace | horribleprogram: I think you need ~/.xsession and not .xinitrc which is for startx only unless I'm wrong |
| 17:27.24 | ratrace | cinesc: do you know what AppArmor is and what it does? |
| 17:27.26 | greycat | in Debian, .xsession is used for *both* |
| 17:27.28 | cinesc | and if there is, I want to find out why |
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| 17:28.31 | ratrace | cinesc: and how do you intend to use AppArmor for that? |
| 17:28.54 | horribleprogram | ratrace: lemme try it, tyy |
| 17:29.00 | cinesc | Apparmor is a tool that checks if there are files that has been changed or something wrong with |
| 17:29.06 | greycat | No, it's not. |
| 17:29.07 | ratrace | cinesc: absolutely not |
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| 17:29.24 | cinesc | why not? |
| 17:29.30 | greycat | AppArmor is a policy framework that lets you restrict what certain programs are able to do. |
| 17:30.11 | cinesc | ok |
| 17:30.11 | greycat | You can write a configuration file that says "/bin/rm is never allowed to create a file". And then if there's a bug lurking in /bin/rm where it can accidentally create a file instead of removing files, then AppArmor will prevent that bug from triggering. |
| 17:30.46 | greycat | (Not 100% sure that specific example is possible, but that's the kind of thing it's for.) |
| 17:30.57 | cinesc | sounds like something I want to use |
| 17:31.24 | karlpinc | cinesc: If you want to know about (some) changed files you can use the "debsums" tool. |
| 17:31.42 | ratrace | cinesc: but you'll have to write the policies, there are only a very few ones for some basic programs, by default in Debian |
| 17:32.10 | cinesc | oh well back to the apparmor thing, update-grub as root then restart |
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| 17:34.09 | cinesc | done with the terminal part |
| 17:34.51 | ratrace | cinesc: yea we don't really need a running commentary of every step you do :) |
| 17:35.09 | cinesc | I just want to be sure of what I am doing |
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| 17:35.45 | ratrace | greycat: technically, with apparmor everything is denied by default (for the process that's under enforcement), so you have to explicitly allow rm to create a file at specific path. |
| 17:36.09 | greycat | ... are you that guy that suspected his system was compromised, because your internet was a little bit slow one time a few weeks ago, and everyone told you to reinstall, repeatedly, and you STILL didn't reinstall, but instead, decided there must be some tool out there that can tell you whether your system is compromised? |
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| 17:38.15 | cinesc | it worked, thank you |
| 17:38.15 | BCMM | i mean, if the internet is going slow due to the compromised system, then yes, there are absolutely tools that can detect that! just, probably not when running on the compromised system itself |
| 17:38.46 | greycat | crap, didn't know he was disconnected :( |
| 17:38.56 | greycat | cinesc: are you that guy that suspected his system was compromised, because your internet was a little bit slow one time a few weeks ago, and everyone told you to reinstall, repeatedly, and you STILL didn't reinstall, but instead, decided there must be some tool out there that can tell you whether your system is compromised? |
| 17:39.15 | ratrace | cinesc: "it worked" yes now you have appArmor enabled, but it doesn't do anything by itself. |
| 17:40.41 | ratrace | (well not 100% true, by default there's enforcement policy on man, tcpdump, named and a few other minor programs) |
| 17:40.49 | greycat | in stretch? |
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| 17:42.02 | ratrace | greycat: yes there are these few profiles that come along with AA by defalt, but that's really just a few of them |
| 17:42.13 | greycat | In stretch... I see /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.ntpd and not a whole lot beyond that. |
| 17:43.02 | greycat | also usr.sbin.mysqld-akonadi whatever that is |
| 17:43.09 | ratrace | so it's even less in Stretch, mkay. at any rate, it's nothing. I use it but I wrote my own policies. |
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| 17:44.34 | jmcnaught | there are also the apparmor-profiles and apparmor-profiles-extra packages |
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| 17:47.53 | ratrace | jmcnaught: yes, but they aren't enabled upon installation (except a few that do come with apparmor-profiles under /etc/apparmor.d). you have to copy them over from /usr/share and then prey they work, or manually tweak them |
| 17:48.58 | greycat | in any case, they do not tell you "you're infected with Swine Flu 3.14, run /usr/sbin/fixswineflu to fix it" |
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| 17:49.07 | greycat | which I gather is what cinesc thinks |
| 17:49.37 | ratrace | problem with MACs is that generic policies are kinda contrary to the whole purpose. For example, there's AA policy in Ubuntu for Firefox but it's useless for me, I have my own that does NOT allow FF to access anything under ~/ except those few shared files it creates on its own. |
| 17:50.26 | ratrace | it also does not allow running a bunch of programs that FF in Ubuntu is configured to be able to run, like starting OpenOffice from FF when you click-open an office document |
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| 17:50.50 | ratrace | I run my FF very restricted with AA, that's the whole point of it. the generic policy from ubuntu is too wide open. |
| 17:51.57 | ratrace | greycat: that most certainly it doesn't :) mayhaps cinesc wanted something like rkhunter or whatsitcalled |
| 17:52.23 | cinesc | if I have all the directories showing up, what is there more to do? |
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| 17:53.56 | ratrace | cinesc: "to do" for what end goal? |
| 17:54.50 | cinesc | what more can you do other than checking aa-status with apparmor? |
| 17:55.10 | greycat | jhutchins_wkwakawako: There isn't one tool. You've been told about several that can help with all of that. |
| 17:55.15 | greycat | jhutchins_wkwakawako: Did you ever do the clean reinstall that everybody suggested? |
| 17:56.26 | greycat | I'm about 75% certain wakawako (9b040e29@155.4.14.41) and cinesc [5518fd07@85.24.253.7] are the same person |
| 17:56.36 | cinesc | why is that? |
| 17:56.58 | cinesc | is it because of a similar problem? |
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| 18:00.31 | ratrace | cinesc: again, "to do" for what end goal? you run aa-status and it shows you some profiles are in enforced or complain mode. what does that mean to you? what do you want to achieve with it? remember it is NOT a tool that will find viruses for you |
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| 18:01.15 | cinesc | I want to see if something happens when I´m not at the computer for a few days without me knowing |
| 18:01.40 | jmcnaught | turn the computer off when you're not using it |
| 18:01.48 | greycat | why did you think apparmor would do that kind of logging? |
| 18:02.44 | greycat | If "something happens" means network activity, then maybe you want tcpdump. |
| 18:02.49 | ratrace | cinesc: AA will only log AVC denials for active profiles, but again, the profiles are almost non-existent, you'd have to write them for programs you use. |
| 18:03.57 | cinesc | how does tcpdump work and what do I need for it to not miss an important package? |
| 18:04.20 | greycat | It monitors network activity, using the specific criteria that you tell it to use. |
| 18:04.22 | jmcnaught | cinesc: maybe you want an intrusion detection system, in Debian there's aide, tripwire, and others: aptitude search ~Gsecurity::ids |
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| 18:05.01 | greycat | jmcnaught: and we've been over all of this already, days ago, when he was here under a different name |
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| 18:05.33 | greycat | things like tripwire need to be installed from a CLEAN state, not from a suspected-compromised state |
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| 18:06.25 | cinesc | then what does detect on an already affected machine? |
| 18:07.34 | jmcnaught | cinesc: you can't trust an already compromised system to tell you the truth about whether it has been compromised or not, no matter what tool you use. |
| 18:08.33 | ratrace | indeed. a compromised system should have its disk mounted elsewhere and then analyzed offline. but...... that'd probably just be full of false negatives. |
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| 18:09.22 | cinesc | Just as I have a bad feeling this being the case |
| 18:09.28 | ratrace | I regularly run all the attachments I find in spamtrap's inbox through clamav. I have yet to see clamav recognize anything. It usually does after several days or weeks, if I re-run it, after the network has picked up the signature. |
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| 18:10.16 | cinesc | can say the same about antiviruses overall, not that I like to admit it |
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| 18:10.38 | ratrace | on the other hand commercial AV like NOD32 (the linux version) will detect stuff fairly often, but that stuff is mostly just windows malware. |
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| 18:11.09 | chp | any ops online? this guy jelly came into our channel and he seems like he has mental problems or something |
| 18:11.11 | cinesc | that is relatively easy to find |
| 18:11.14 | chp | says hes an op in here |
| 18:11.15 | ratrace | (I know NOD32 is not considered the best tool for the job these days, but it's the only commercial AV on linux I managed to test out, I'm sure others like maybe Kaspersky would be better) |
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| 18:12.39 | chp | if whoever is jelly's handler, could u come wrangle him |
| 18:12.56 | chp | hes off leash and terrorizing the neighborhood |
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| 18:13.16 | cinesc | one tool I was suggested to see if there is something that stands out is wireshark |
| 18:13.36 | chp | greycat: is jelly an op in here? |
| 18:13.39 | ratrace | cinesc: wireshark is a tool that can capture packets on itself or it can analyze tcpdump's output |
| 18:13.41 | greycat | Yes, he is. |
| 18:14.48 | ratrace | cinesc: but that's packet matching and analyis, that has to be done with very specific goals in mind. you can't just run it for a while and rely on it itself tellling you what's worng |
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| 18:15.30 | chp | hes come into a channel and tried puffing his chest w his ops status in here, complaining abt users joining #debian that are like quit/joining too much |
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| 18:15.45 | chp | if u guys are friends w this guy could u like give him his meds or something |
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| 18:15.52 | linearain | hola |
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| 18:18.56 | cinesc | although when I try using it I get this message " |
| 18:18.57 | cinesc | p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } |
| 18:18.57 | cinesc | Couldn't run /usr/bin/dumpcap in child process: Permission denied" |
| 18:19.16 | cinesc | meant "Couldn't run /usr/bin/dumpcap in child process: Permission denied" |
| 18:19.32 | greycat | You have to be root to capture traffic with tcpdump or similar tools. |
| 18:19.37 | pasiz | cinesc: user privileges |
| 18:19.49 | ratrace | cinesc: didn't wireshark as you upon installation whether you want to allow unprivileged users to capture packets? |
| 18:19.53 | ratrace | *ask you |
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| 18:20.24 | pasiz | ethernet adapter needs to be run promiscuous mode that is not allowed for normal user |
| 18:21.47 | ratrace | problem here is a user with zero knowledge about security issues trying random tools like apparmor and wireshark, with no clear goal in mind or any knowledge how to use those tools. and teaching them that is out of scope or scale of what can be typed in irc. |
| 18:22.35 | cinesc | not really |
| 18:22.59 | ratrace | cinesc: so really I recommend maybe taking a course.... https://training.linuxfoundation.org/training/linux-security-fundamentals/ |
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| 18:23.35 | ratrace | cinesc: what do you mean not really? you had no clue what apparmor is, and apparently don't know what packet capture is, and how wireshark and tcpump come into that picture. am I wrong? |
| 18:24.10 | cinesc | the problem here is that something happened and I with limited knowledge of how things really work have no real idea how to be sure if that thing that happened is solved or not. |
| 18:24.39 | ratrace | cinesc: yes so you're trying random tools which really have nothing to with what you want. |
| 18:24.49 | greycat | As we told you repeatedly over the span of multiple days, if you suspect your system is compromised, the ONLY thing you can safely do is wipe it and reinstall. |
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| 18:24.58 | ratrace | I mean how did you even come to the idea of using AppArmor, did someone suggest that, for your problem? |
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| 18:26.21 | cinesc | it was a tool that could help me with what I want to find out |
| 18:26.26 | ratrace | wipe and reinstall is something I'd recommend myself, and my job among other things is securing our servers, so I know quite a bit on how to do it. post-hoc analysis? thanks, no thanks. you need a lot of experience, proper tools, forensics. just nuke & pave and mitigate. |
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| 18:27.46 | ratrace | (post-hoc assuming you have a compromised system and zero audit trails or logs from an IDS that would imply what could possibly be the intrusion vector) |
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| 18:29.04 | Ede|Popede | cinesc: "could" is the keyword. are you used to use such tools? do you know enough about security? |
| 18:29.18 | cinesc | barely |
| 18:29.42 | Ede|Popede | you know what you need to fix things? |
| 18:29.48 | Ede|Popede | 1. the tools |
| 18:29.57 | Ede|Popede | 2. someone who knows how to use them. |
| 18:30.28 | ratrace | 0. have the actual symptoms to begin with |
| 18:30.29 | Ede|Popede | (unless you're macgyver, then you'd make your own tools) |
| 18:30.32 | ratrace | "slow network" aint' it |
| 18:32.02 | ratrace | for "slow network" you can start with something like mtr (and find out that your ISP has issues within their network as the most likely cause) |
| 18:32.03 | Ede|Popede | could be the cable. too tight curves and the electrons may fly out of the wire. pure physics. |
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| 18:33.10 | ratrace | Ede|Popede: yea but that's REALLY too tight. like quantum-scale right angles that are behaving like waves when you observe them, kind of tight. :) |
| 18:33.25 | ratrace | only then will the electrons fly out of the subatomic wire. |
| 18:34.30 | cinesc | if that is the only thing I can do to solve it by a reinstall, I don´t know where to start since that would mean it´s not only my stuff that is going to need a reinstall and everyone is going to think I am crazy because the massive sacrifice it´s going to be. |
| 18:34.44 | wasamasa | paranoia is hard to deal with |
| 18:35.00 | ratrace | cinesc: that's assuming you really ARE compromised to begin with. |
| 18:35.07 | cinesc | yes |
| 18:35.33 | ratrace | like, you caught your computer doing nasty things, not just thinking it might be compromised because it's a bit slow or something |
| 18:36.01 | cinesc | it feels wrong to do this since means you´re winning the battle but then you´re are losing the war |
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| 18:36.36 | greycat | I asked you several days ago if you had any *concrete evidence* of an exploit |
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| 18:37.16 | ratrace | cinesc: I'd like to ask you what the actual symptoms are/were. I only saw greycat imply you had slow network or something. |
| 18:37.30 | greycat | It's the only thing I can remember him actually saying. |
| 18:37.38 | ratrace | !tell cinesc about xy |
| 18:38.02 | DammitJim | what is a Debian alternative to using Microsoft AD/DC ? |
| 18:38.03 | ratrace | that's for thinking apparmor or tcpdump are the solution to a problem that hasn't even been formulated. |
| 18:38.17 | ratrace | DammitJim: LDAP? |
| 18:38.33 | greycat | LDAP if you're a kool kid, NIS if you're old school |
| 18:38.44 | DammitJim | hhhmmmm |
| 18:38.57 | bernyrd | can also use Samba, but the focus in on controlling access to the shares |
| 18:39.11 | DammitJim | yeah, not a fan of Samba for this |
| 18:39.22 | bernyrd | probably LDAP then |
| 18:39.39 | jelly | DammitJim: which functionality are you going for? Management of users and groups? Computers? SSO (kerberos)? |
| 18:39.59 | bernyrd | also consider if you really need a DC, and read the Windows license... technically I don't think you are allowed to join a domain not hosted by Windows Server |
| 18:40.04 | DammitJim | jelly, all of the above |
| 18:40.23 | jelly | use AD then. |
| 18:40.36 | jelly | it's the least worst option |
| 18:40.43 | bernyrd | it's like $2k though |
| 18:41.00 | DammitJim | what's $2k? |
| 18:41.10 | jelly | bernyrd: one or more AD servers can be replaced with Samba4 |
| 18:41.13 | bernyrd | the OS that runs AD |
| 18:41.29 | bernyrd | jelly: yeah I think you can have them sync off of the main server |
| 18:41.36 | bernyrd | technically you can run everything off of ldap |
| 18:41.39 | jelly | but you still need Windows tools to manage it the usual way. |
| 18:41.46 | bernyrd | seen that work very well for using SSO to log in to machines via ssh |
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| 18:42.28 | DammitJim | ok, I'll be back |
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| 18:42.41 | karlpinc | Didn't RH open source some gui ldap managment tool? Or am I thinking of something else. |
| 18:42.48 | bernyrd | so I have machine with openvpn running, and connect to it, but the normal if is firewalled. how do I route specific traffic through the openvpn if without taking down the main network comms? |
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| 18:43.41 | karlpinc | bernyrd: You give the network on the other end a route that establishes the openvpn connection as a gateway. |
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| 18:43.53 | Ede|Popede | hmpf. if i try to read a big file from a thumb drive and on 2 different PCs it stops after the same amount of sectors, can i assume the thing to be dead then and the data lost? (dd_rescue would be the next i guess) |
| 18:44.21 | karlpinc | bernyrd: IIRC there's options to do this in the openvpn config so the route goes up and down with the openvpn virtual interface. |
| 18:44.29 | bernyrd | karlpinc: my confusion comes from having tried to do this before, and realizing I must not construct routes that make the packets forming the tunnel on the "real" network unroutable |
| 18:44.54 | bernyrd | yeah it's defconfig or similar |
| 18:44.58 | bernyrd | it is kind of restrictive |
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| 18:46.36 | cinesc | doesn´t clicking onto a link that contained viruses that turned out to have infected my computer by making it look like there was something wrong with the connection even if it wasn´t the case (it disappeared with the reinstalation) and it affected my phone that was connected at the time of the event someone spied on me count as evidence? |
| 18:46.45 | blackflow | Hi. What's the recommended way to install a newer nvidia driver in debian? I remember there being a bot factoid here about backporting, but I forgot which one was it. |
| 18:46.50 | karlpinc | Ede|Popede: You can try the usual recovery method. dd the entire device and then work from the dd-ed copy. With a flash drive I'd not hold out mch hope. |
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| 18:47.19 | Ede|Popede | karlpinc: i'll do it so. |
| 18:47.22 | jhutchins_wk | !nvidia |
| 18:47.22 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:47.26 | jelly | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 18:47.27 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.116-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.74-1; bullseye/non-free: 430.50-1; sid/non-free: 430.50-1; experimental/non-free: 435.21-1 |
| 18:47.53 | jelly | blackflow: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 18:48.03 | jhutchins_wk | blackflow: Does the latest backport not support your card? |
| 18:48.04 | blackflow | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.06 | blackflow | sorry |
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| 19:02.40 | cinesc | sorry if it felt like I bombarded you greycat, I´m just concerned about losing valuable all because of a mistake I want to make it right without it repeating all over again. |
| 19:04.36 | greycat | The vagueness is what makes it impossible to help you. You're running some version of Debian, maybe, not sure if you ever said which one. You ran a web browser, no idea which one. You clicked some link, but you won't say what it was. Something happened that scared you, but you won't say what. |
| 19:04.52 | greycat | Then you used your (mobile, I presume) phone and it was ... slow? Or something? |
| 19:05.08 | greycat | And based on this, you concluded that you needed to install random security tools that you do not understand. |
| 19:06.10 | cinesc | How do I make myself clearer? |
| 19:06.36 | greycat | ... |
| 19:06.59 | cinesc | No I really dont |
| 19:07.31 | wasamasa | it helps to be specific whenever trying to convey information, yet succinct and to the point |
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| 19:08.48 | greycat | For all we know, you clicked on a "test my connection speed" page, and it saturated your bandwidth for a few minutes, which is why your phone and other devices were slow. |
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| 19:09.59 | cinesc | That´s funny how I explained my issue can understood as something completely different |
| 19:10.58 | cinesc | Oh well I'll try again then, but just because I wasn´t fully clear what meant |
| 19:11.12 | wasamasa | that's how language is |
| 19:11.31 | wasamasa | it's a surprise we're able to communicate reasonably well most of the time |
| 19:11.58 | ratrace | especially important for text-only mediums like irc |
| 19:12.44 | wasamasa | even if it's not a language barrier, communication can go horribly wrong |
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| 19:13.51 | Ede|Popede | don't be too friendly, it could be misunderstood as an attack |
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| 19:14.45 | ratrace | we ain't hugging just yet :) |
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| 19:23.10 | ratrace | new firefox-esr broke my workflow.... le sigh... I have a rxvt plugin to open up links via keyboard, dirctly into firefox --private-window thing. worked 100% reliable with esr 60. no longer with 68, after a while it stops opening private mode and opens regular FF instead. |
| 19:23.32 | ratrace | (despite the --private-window flag) |
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| 19:24.13 | deadrom | hi |
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| 19:25.04 | deadrom | stuck here with rename. <1000files>..foo -> rename to <1000files>.foo. so turn two . into one. help? |
| 19:25.18 | deadrom | rename in debian expects perl expressions, right? |
| 19:25.28 | greycat | prename 's/\.\.foo$/.foo/' *..foo |
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| 19:25.46 | greycat | if you get "argument list too long" then we can break it up |
| 19:26.15 | RoyK | deadrom: not sure if it supports perl regex - I'm afraid it's just the old stuff |
| 19:26.30 | greycat | "rename" is ambiguous, which is why I prefer typing "prename" explicitly |
| 19:26.42 | greycat | that way I know I'm using the right one |
| 19:26.53 | deadrom | good idea |
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| 19:28.04 | deadrom | greycat: why not esacpe the . in /.foo/ ? |
| 19:28.12 | RoyK | deadrom: but then - a find loop or a perl script can do the job if anything else won't work |
| 19:28.12 | somiaj | rany: this is an unfourntate side affect of stables firefox tracking the current ESR, so eventually there has to be a major vesion bump. Debian use to avoid this by having its own browser (iceweasel) but, browsers have so many security holes, debian cannot backport fixes to a version the upstream will not matain. They tried this for years, and it was too much work. |
| 19:28.28 | somiaj | arg |
| 19:28.30 | somiaj | ratrace: ^^ |
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| 19:28.41 | RoyK | I didn't find prename, though, but I found gprename, with a 23 line manpage telling me nada |
| 19:28.45 | somiaj | ratrace: you might need to get a newer version of the plugin that is compadaible with version 68 |
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| 19:29.09 | greycat | in s/PATTERN/string/ the string doesn't undergo any kind of pattern-matching, so a dot is just a dot |
| 19:29.21 | greycat | dots only need to be escapes in the PATTERN part |
| 19:29.44 | ratrace | somiaj: the problem is not in Debian, sooner or later it'd need to upgrade. problem is in FF not behaving consistently with --private-window, and the plugin is not related to FF, it's just something I wrote myself to open up links from urxvt |
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| 19:30.20 | ratrace | somiaj: i do have an enforcing apparmor policy on FF, but I checked there aren't any denials that would explain this |
| 19:30.28 | ratrace | (or at all, I polished the policy to 100% no denials) |
| 19:30.32 | somiaj | ratrace: yea, and with the new ESR now using rust, there is probably lots of changes. |
| 19:30.45 | RoyK | posix regex reaally sucks after getting used to perlre |
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| 19:31.33 | ratrace | somiaj: thought of using chromium for these random link openings (that aren't my regular, vetted sites I use under FF) but..... chromium seems to be in even sadder state |
| 19:31.52 | ratrace | running it from a snap would be admitting defeat :) |
| 19:32.09 | ratrace | (plus you can't apparmor a snap, so that's a huge no-no for me) |
| 19:32.53 | somiaj | ratrace: yea, chromium has no ESR branch, so security fixes are always version bumps. |
| 19:33.44 | RoyK | probably because chromium doesn't have bugs :D |
| 19:33.47 | RoyK | - Debugging is like being the detective in a crime movie where you are also the murderer. |
| 19:34.25 | ratrace | it's a nice OS just lacking a good browser :) |
| 19:34.45 | RoyK | like Emacs - a nice OS lacking a good editor... |
| 19:35.11 | somiaj | debian would love to be able to offer a frozen browser with only security fixes, but with the way the web is constnatally changing and number of vulns in browsers, this is not realistic with the manpower debian has. |
| 19:35.19 | RoyK | dunno if anyone's using emas anymore, though |
| 19:35.28 | ratrace | somiaj: I'm guessing it's a bug somewhere in IPC, as I keep two FF windows open. a regular one and a private mode one, and so far, running "firefox --private-window $URL_HERE" would ipc it into the correct one, the private mode |
| 19:35.29 | somiaj | As a side affect, the webbrowsers are an exeception to debian's stable policy. |
| 19:35.51 | greycat | ,popcon emacs-gtk |
| 19:35.52 | judd | Popcon data for emacs-gtk: inst: 7179, vote: 3292, old: 2523, recent: 1364, nofiles: 0 |
| 19:35.58 | greycat | ,popcon vim |
| 19:36.00 | judd | Popcon data for vim: inst: 79721, vote: 22144, old: 50611, recent: 4427, nofiles: 2539 |
| 19:36.03 | ratrace | YAY! |
| 19:36.23 | ratrace | is firmly in the vim camp |
| 19:36.37 | RoyK | tends to stick to vim, and his co-workers tend to get angry when he adds 'set -o vi' to root's .bashrc |
| 19:36.58 | jelly | !start an editor war |
| 19:36.58 | dpkg | joe blows! |
| 19:37.41 | RoyK | old one, but... https://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 19:38.20 | jmcnaught | somiaj: according to the buster release notes the webkit2gtk source package is covered by security support, so browsers based on it may not version-drift as much |
| 19:38.46 | jmcnaught | the release notes still recommend firefox or chromium in the next paragraph though |
| 19:38.54 | somiaj | jmcnaught: oh they changed that? Good to hear. I must have over looked that and expected webkit browsers to not have security support. |
| 19:39.09 | somiaj | maybe they are slower at getting support, but are at least offering some security support now. |
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| 19:41.52 | karlpinc | When I enable Linux support on a chromebox I get debian. But I get debian 9. Uses the debian repos and everything in sources.list. There are (IIRC) a couple of packages installed from another repo in sources.list.d/. I'm wondering if things will break if I upgrade to debian 10, and wondering if it will eventually upgrade by itself. |
| 19:42.19 | karlpinc | I don't care enough to try it and break things, but I still wonder. |
| 19:42.31 | somiaj | karlpinc: depends on the packages, the release notes often suggest disabling that repo during the upgrade (and maybe removing said packages0 |
| 19:42.51 | somiaj | but for example, google's google-chrome repo will be just fine |
| 19:43.00 | somiaj | but some other repos (like dmo) can cause lots of problems |
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| 19:44.00 | karlpinc | somiaj: It's just the google chromebook repo. I suppose the packages in that repo might not work/be there for debian 10. |
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| 19:45.29 | somiaj | karlpinc: I don't know that repo, but it would depend on what is actually installed from that repo (if they are packages independent of debian, probably fine, but if they replace debian packages, higher chance of issues) |
| 19:45.53 | karlpinc | somiaj: I don't have the device around. I'll look at the repo source later. |
| 19:46.29 | karlpinc | somiaj: They do not (IIRC) seem to be anything that replaces any debian packages. |
| 19:46.36 | in1t3r | Hi guys someone can help me with setting up of the hybrid graphics on the HP omen laptop running debian testing. |
| 19:46.51 | karlpinc | !debian-next |
| 19:46.51 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 19:47.32 | karlpinc | in1t3r: (It is possible you might get help here, but we don't like to clutter up the channel unnecessarily.) |
| 19:47.42 | in1t3r | ok |
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| 19:49.44 | karlpinc | in1t3r: Anyway, you need to ask specific questions: I tried this command. It broke with that error message. etc. |
| 19:50.04 | somiaj | karlpinc: they have moved to #debian-next, so hopefully will find help there. (; |
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| 19:50.32 | somiaj | try to hide everything, take a screenshot |
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| 19:54.53 | in1t3r | Well ok I haveproblems with booting up with nvidia drivers installed. When I boot and pass my passphrase prompt for LUKS it goes few seconds and then just hang while overloading CPU cores I can here that from fans going crazy and cpu going extremly hot basically I can feel on the keyboard. @karlpinc |
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| 19:55.20 | in1t3r | I have some ACPI errors in journald messages bios errors |
| 19:55.26 | in1t3r | its AMI bios |
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| 20:01.24 | galvanoport | I'm getting ACPI errors too but I don't use nvidia graphic card. |
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| 20:10.16 | somiaj | in1t3r: please don't cross post, I would try to get help (if you can fnid it) in #debian-next |
| 20:12.08 | in1t3r | ok |
| 20:13.13 | guky | what name has fox calculator under debian? |
| 20:13.43 | greycat | As far as we can tell, it is not packaged in Debian. |
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| 20:17.55 | _DeLa_ | The software OpenToonz can be installed on Debian via the following method: https://opentoonz.readthedocs.io/en/latest/installing_opentoonz.html Should I use "deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org stable main" in sources.list as mentioned in the link, or is it adviceable to exchange "stable" with "buster"? |
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| 20:18.45 | jmcnaught | !dmo |
| 20:18.45 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm buster>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
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| 20:20.09 | _DeLa_ | jmcnaught: thanks for your advice |
| 20:20.53 | jmcnaught | _DeLa_: generally it's better to use release codenames ("buster") not "stable" |
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| 20:27.23 | _DeLa_ | How do I execute the <why not dmm> command? |
| 20:27.42 | jmcnaught | _DeLa_: "/msg dpkg why not dmm" |
| 20:27.56 | _DeLa_ | jmcnaught: thanks! |
| 20:28.51 | jmcnaught | _DeLa_: this wiki page also some some advice on installing software that isn't in Debian's archives: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 20:29.41 | _DeLa_ | jmcnaught: I'll probably go with the Opentoonz AppImage then |
| 20:31.07 | schumaml | regarding that - should upstream projects add debian package building to their CI and point to that, or is this not useful and there's a more feasible way to have up-to-date versions packaged for debian? |
| 20:32.53 | Latr_work | guys, is it okay if I install a precompiled kernel for ubuntu on debian? |
| 20:32.54 | Latr_work | https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.3.7/ |
| 20:33.13 | Latr_work | or is there a 5.3 prebuilt for debian as well? |
| 20:33.45 | somiaj | Latr_work: I would avoid doing that. Why do you need a 5.3 kernel? |
| 20:33.47 | somiaj | ,kernels |
| 20:33.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.3.0-trunk-686-pae (5.3.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.3.0-1-686-pae (5.3.7-1); bullseye: 5.2.0-3-686 (5.2.17-1); buster-backports: 5.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (5.2.17-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u1); jessie-backports: |
| 20:33.49 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
| 20:34.12 | somiaj | Latr_work: for buster, and 5.2 kernel is in buster backports. A 5.3 kernel will make it there in a few weeks I think. |
| 20:34.14 | Latr_work | GPU is not recognised on my dell xps 7390 |
| 20:34.22 | somiaj | Latr_work: what GPU do you have? |
| 20:34.24 | greycat | In theory, you can use an ubuntu (or red hat or whatever) kernel on Debian, but it's something you basically have to support for yourself. |
| 20:34.36 | somiaj | Latr_work: and are you sure it is a kernel issue, and not just missing firmware? |
| 20:34.38 | Latr_work | UHD 630 |
| 20:34.44 | Latr_work | it is an intel 10th gen |
| 20:34.58 | Latr_work | somiaj: no not entirely sure |
| 20:35.10 | somiaj | the intel UHD is a few years old, the 4.19 kernel might support it. |
| 20:35.20 | Latr_work | xserver-xorg-video-intel driver is installed |
| 20:35.25 | Latr_work | i915 module is loaded |
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| 20:35.32 | somiaj | It might require firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 20:35.33 | Latr_work | firmware non free i salso installed |
| 20:35.47 | Latr_work | uhm |
| 20:35.49 | Latr_work | let me seee |
| 20:35.54 | somiaj | Latr_work: dmesg | grep -i firmware -- do you see the i915 driver complaining about missing firmware |
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| 20:36.15 | Latr_work | I am reinstalling now actually :P |
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| 20:37.24 | somiaj | I can't tell if the firmware in that package works or not, don't see any mention of coffee-lake but see skylake |
| 20:37.53 | Latr_work | not even the wireless works |
| 20:37.55 | Latr_work | Killer AX1650 |
| 20:38.01 | somiaj | but I seem mention of firmware being avilable for 4.13 kernels, os it might be 4.19 is fine |
| 20:38.06 | somiaj | you are most likely also missing firmware for that |
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| 20:38.35 | Latr_work | I installed the iwlwifi but makes no difference |
| 20:38.46 | Latr_work | I was told I should build them from source |
| 20:38.57 | Latr_work | https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/iwlwifi/backport-iwlwifi.git/ |
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| 20:40.21 | jmcnaught | Latr_work: building your own kernel package on Debian is fairly easy. Look at chapter 4 especially 4.6: https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ |
| 20:40.41 | Latr_work | jmcnaught: I know how to do it, I just don't have time atm |
| 20:41.05 | Latr_work | and I wouldn't want to spend 3 hours where the issue might not even be the kernel itself |
| 20:41.17 | Latr_work | I have no X, no wireless, nothing |
| 20:41.41 | Latr_work | I am moving .debs across with the usb |
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| 20:42.01 | Latr_work | this thing doesn't come with a bloody LAN, and I didn't buy an adaptor |
| 20:42.04 | somiaj | Latr_work: if it is indeed the kernel is too old, you can get both a newer kernel and newer firmware from buster-backports |
| 20:42.26 | Latr_work | somiaj: thanks man |
| 20:42.34 | Latr_work | I will try them |
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| 20:44.26 | swift110 | hey Latr_work |
| 20:44.38 | Latr_work | hey swift110 |
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| 20:47.40 | boktan | i need help with my internal wifi adaptor! i did fresh install and even now the intel wifi adaptor not works and i tryed to upgrade system with my external usb wifi adaptor but still not fixed. what it is doing is: the wifi adaptor is coming and dissappearing every second on desktop and iwconfig command is giving 3 different output if i give it |
| 20:47.41 | boktan | speedly again and again. one is wlan1 have one is no such device the another i dont remember now. so i remowed the firmware-iwlwifi now it is total gone! i did tryed to install it from here: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005511/network-and-i-o/wireless-networking.html i just copy the folder to /lib/firmware but still |
| 20:47.41 | boktan | nothing about wlan1 i cannot see! can you please help me! |
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| 20:50.35 | _DeLa_ | jmcnaught: Might there be cases where it's technically not possible to use releasecode names instead of "stable"? |
| 20:51.11 | greycat | Using "stable" is just bad. It leads to surprise half-upgrades. |
| 20:52.14 | RoyK | greycat: where did you get that "truth" from? |
| 20:52.32 | greycat | wut |
| 20:53.11 | _DeLa_ | greycat: Even when we're talking ab out software like MS Visual Studio? |
| 20:53.21 | _DeLa_ | +Code |
| 20:53.43 | greycat | Is that in Debian? |
| 20:53.52 | _DeLa_ | greycat: https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/setup/linux |
| 20:54.10 | greycat | so... that's a no? if it's an outside repository, you do whatever they need. |
| 20:54.22 | greycat | Their repository, their naming, their rules. |
| 20:54.46 | _DeLa_ | greycat: Thanks! |
| 20:58.10 | boktan | please help me |
| 20:58.49 | swift110 | how r u Latr_work |
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| 21:05.46 | cinesc | If you wanted to the whole story of my situation, it´s going to be very long |
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| 21:09.07 | wasamasa | no more |
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| 21:13.32 | _DeLa_ | greycat's exit message doesn't even rhyme ... |
| 21:15.09 | cinesc | I was going to describe what happened and why I am here trying to endlessly troubleshoot something even if I know that this is beyond my knowledge about computers or even how linux works with the exception of a few things but that is about it. |
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| 21:17.06 | wasamasa | write an angry blog post about it and share it |
| 21:19.44 | cinesc | I don´t want to present anything to do with a feeling because that will scare away anyone wanting to help me, I rather present this as something serious that requires a certain type of expertise about computers and how software work and it´s something I can´t fix on my own |
| 21:20.25 | jmcnaught | cinesc: what's the problem you're trying to fix? |
| 21:20.48 | karlpinc | _DeLa_: It helps to be aware of https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian , so that when you follow "their rules" you at least know if you're going to break debian. (Often you don't see the effects of bad sysadmin-ing until you try to do a major release upgrade. Feel free to erase everything and re-install instead if that's your choice.) |
| 21:21.54 | _DeLa_ | karlpinc: Do I even have to worry about that with an software like MS VIsual Studio Code? |
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| 21:22.10 | _DeLa_ | I mean... it's "just" an editor, right? |
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| 21:23.15 | karlpinc | _DeLa_: O dpm |
| 21:23.28 | karlpinc | I don't know what they are telling you to do, so can't say. |
| 21:23.39 | karlpinc | (typo, sorry) |
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| 21:25.22 | karlpinc | _DeLa_: At minimum, a lot of the time 3rd party software needs to be removed before a major release upgrade and the re-installed after. So at least keep track of what 3rd party stuff you install. |
| 21:25.45 | _DeLa_ | karlpinc: Well, I have my first major release upgrade with debian 11 still ahead of me...and I am not using debian on a production machine yet...so I guess I'll see then |
| 21:25.47 | cinesc | I clicked onto something that did malicious stuff to not only my computer where it happened but also affected another device that wasn´t even using debian and I don´t know how to tackle it as in seeing if there is anything alien or that something got modified without me knowing although it´s most likely a trojan being a file that gives access to |
| 21:25.48 | cinesc | a hacker to spy which I can confirm has happened in a very horrible manner. |
| 21:26.17 | karlpinc | (The upgrade instructions in the release notes tell you how to find 3rd party software that's going to mess with the upgrade.) |
| 21:26.28 | wasamasa | cinesc: sounds like a movie plot to me, lots of claims without any evidence |
| 21:26.37 | cinesc | really?so far |
| 21:26.57 | karlpinc | cinesc: If you think that's what happened then your best choice is to re-install. |
| 21:27.23 | wasamasa | cinesc: if we break it down, the only thing we can be sure of is that you clicked on something |
| 21:27.31 | wasamasa | cinesc: then you claim it did malicious stuff |
| 21:27.31 | cinesc | yeah |
| 21:27.39 | wasamasa | cinesc: if you can't verify that, forget verifying anything after that |
| 21:27.42 | jmcnaught | I hate malicious stuff |
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| 21:27.56 | _DeLa_ | karlpinc: I would say a 3rd party software is everything that cannot be found in https://packages.debian.org , right? |
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| 21:28.30 | cinesc | og well I might as well share this with you no matter what |
| 21:28.41 | cinesc | took me a while to put it down |
| 21:28.54 | wasamasa | hence why I suggest you to write an angry blogpost |
| 21:28.56 | cinesc | At around 4 pm I was browsing youtube on my thinkpad t430s running linux debian 9 and was looking at the notifications of comments from a video from LTT and when I looked at what was new it displayed a comment from someone using their real name as the account name that I now have trouble remembering completely but it was similar to "oreb oronoev" |
| 21:28.56 | cinesc | (a really tricky name to remember hence the wrong spelling) that contained a link disguised as being "BarbieRemix2019" and that was all the comment contained.Before I clicked onto it, the internet and the computer I used was just fine with not a single frame drop at all with integrated graphics when looking at 1080p and this is with hd 4000 |
| 21:28.57 | cinesc | graphics though. I visited the video again to see the comment thread where I saw the comment with that link in it.When I opened it up in a new tab and clicked onto the tab the text in the tab showed random letters like mty://dsb... or ://mty... and at the lower left corner where the subdomains or domains appear when it loads content it showed only |
| 21:28.57 | cinesc | novans.ru in a dimming behaviour as if it tried to connect to something it couldn´t connect to which it went over and over again and force a download of something.I closed the tab immediately because I freaked out that it was one of those browser attacks I heard about being a thing no matter what operating system you use because you are still |
| 21:28.58 | cinesc | vulnerable because it´s the weak spot in this case and after I opened the link in the tab the video I was looking at the buffer I had let do was gone and it refused to play normally anymore. Even refreshing a tab with a video became a hit and miss if it could even load a video normally anymore since it took three times to get the video to load |
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| 21:29.03 | wasamasa | sheesh |
| 21:29.07 | ratrace | boosh! |
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| 21:29.19 | wasamasa | some people really can't take a hint |
| 21:29.35 | annadane | anyone know if the entry to put in .xinitrc to start mate, whether it's mate-session or mate-wm? |
| 21:30.22 | karlpinc | _DeLa_: Right. There are a few rare projects that share developers with debian (postgresql), or whatever, and "just work" when you enable their repos. |
| 21:31.20 | annadane | nvm, 99% sure it's mate-session |
| 21:31.25 | karlpinc | _DeLa_: Otherwise, there's tools and technique for installing that manage the problem. (See the wiki page.) |
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| 21:32.13 | wasamasa | cinesc: this is why I told you to write elsewhere, IRC is not the place for long writings |
| 21:32.23 | ratrace | !pastebin |
| 21:32.23 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 21:32.29 | ratrace | cinesc: ^^^ |
| 21:32.37 | lupine | schizophrenia, perhaps |
| 21:32.38 | cinesc | Sorry I didn´t think about that |
| 21:32.40 | _DeLa_ | karlpinc: I'll try to go for flatpaks and appimages... |
| 21:33.14 | ratrace | cinesc: and when you restarted the browser (making sure all thoes pages you visited are not active) was is still as slow? |
| 21:33.30 | ratrace | sounds like maybe you've hit one of those pages with embedded cryptominers |
| 21:33.49 | ratrace | they're not infective though, just stealing your cpu while the tab is open |
| 21:34.00 | cinesc | I´ll paste it at flood then |
| 21:34.12 | ratrace | uhh just use a pastebin |
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| 21:35.04 | cinesc | what is a pastebin? |
| 21:35.25 | ratrace | cinesc: can you read what dpkg posted above? |
| 21:35.34 | cinesc | yeah |
| 21:35.56 | ratrace | then go to paste.debian.net, paste your long text in the textarea on that page, select how long you want it active, save, and post here the resulting URL |
| 21:36.07 | cinesc | ok |
| 21:36.24 | wasamasa | in what country do you even use the backtick instead of the apostrophe |
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| 21:37.02 | cinesc | here |
| 21:37.03 | cinesc | http://paste.debian.net/1110713 |
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| 21:39.03 | ratrace | bah... debian's paste seems to not care about wrapping lines on "text" content type |
| 21:39.11 | wasamasa | I still maintain that this is movie material |
| 21:39.27 | cinesc | Do you now see what type of situation I am facing? |
| 21:39.50 | cinesc | and no I am not kidding |
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| 21:41.05 | jmcnaught | cinesc: do you have a shorter version that just describes the symptoms you are noticing? |
| 21:41.46 | Latr_work | somiaj: wireless interface is now up |
| 21:41.56 | Latr_work | still working on the GPU |
| 21:42.38 | cinesc | greycat thought my description was too vague so I wrote a description that was as detailed as to be understandable |
| 21:43.00 | ratrace | cinesc: I read it whole. |
| 21:43.04 | cinesc | ok |
| 21:43.23 | cinesc | it took me around an hour to write |
| 21:43.28 | ratrace | cinesc: I still don't get it what happened. you clicked a link and then it showed a .ru site and then somethign sloweed and then <drama incl. calling a lot of people> |
| 21:43.45 | ratrace | so, like, when you restarted the browser, did everything work back normally? |
| 21:43.59 | cinesc | no it was the same as when it was affected |
| 21:44.07 | ratrace | and after you restarted the computer? |
| 21:44.21 | cinesc | yeah |
| 21:44.59 | ratrace | yeah = youtube doesn't play videos any more? |
| 21:45.12 | cinesc | it only disappeared when I reinstalled the OS because I really had no choice at the time |
| 21:45.26 | cinesc | it played but worse than before |
| 21:46.03 | deadrom | I need a specific kernel module's messages out of syslog. can I mute it somehow? device driver, never spoke a meaningful word anyway but keeps spamming the logs |
| 21:46.09 | cinesc | it didn´t even have to be at hd for the stutter to happen |
| 21:46.30 | cinesc | I might as well be 144p and still it would happen |
| 21:47.12 | cinesc | sounds weird but that is how it presented itself but also in games too |
| 21:47.14 | ratrace | cinesc: in all that wall of text you missed to describe the EXACT symptoms of what was going wrong. "not playing normally" doesn't say anything. |
| 21:47.57 | cinesc | it played with a stutter every now and then |
| 21:47.59 | ratrace | "I opened the link in the tab the video I was looking at the buffer I had let do was gone and it refused to play normally anymore." -- this is the closest you got to describing the actual problem you're having |
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| 21:48.31 | ratrace | cinesc: so anyway, now you reinstalled the OS and the problem is gone? |
| 21:48.38 | cinesc | it was at the video I had open before and after |
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| 21:49.16 | Latr_work | also looks like the VGA is recognised, at least from the logs. Will pull up X and gnome now |
| 21:49.53 | cinesc | those yes but then I can´t be sure that anything else that it had contact with (either network or ssh) is unscattered or not |
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| 21:50.16 | cinesc | hence why I am here and still here |
| 21:50.21 | ratrace | Latr_work: is that a running commentary of a debug session or is there a question in there somewhere :) I scrolled quite a few to try and find context, failed :) |
| 21:50.42 | ratrace | cinesc: I think you're jumping to quite a lot of conclusions |
| 21:51.16 | Latr_work | ratrace: somiaj was helping me out bringing up Debian 10 on my XPS 7390 |
| 21:51.20 | ratrace | next time if it happens, it'd be prudent to start troubleshooting by looking at the process list (ps, top) and find out if there's a process hogging CPU or IO that would explain the stuttering |
| 21:51.37 | ratrace | Latr_work: ah |
| 21:51.39 | cinesc | I might be fast at estimating bad things but I do usually think of worst case scenario |
| 21:52.29 | ratrace | cinesc: linux malware exists but it's almost always of commercial ("pay up or else") nature, or targeted data exfiltration or denial of service |
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| 21:52.58 | cinesc | what do those two last ones mean? |
| 21:53.31 | ratrace | cinesc: it means someone attacks someone else, deliberately and targetting just them, to steal data or cause some denial of service |
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| 21:54.10 | cinesc | if that is the case, that would mean it´s less severe than what I suspect |
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| 21:55.27 | ratrace | cinesc: also, majority of linux malware is of "trojan" kind, meaning the user has to be tricked into installing it. there's also software exploits, eg. a random website you visit exploits something in your firefox to install somethign on your computer but... that something can't easily propagate further. just because something is connected via USB does not immediately mean it's vulnerable to something, |
| 21:55.33 | ratrace | and in practice it's quite unlikely to happen |
| 21:56.06 | ratrace | vast majority of linux malware is trying to exploit badly configured or unsecured web servers and use them for spam, DDoS botnetting, etc... |
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| 21:56.22 | cinesc | @ratrace the funny thing was that the cpu activity was the same, it just performed worse than before |
| 21:56.27 | somiaj | Latr_work: so you have the linux-image-amd64 and firmware-misc-nonfree installed from buster-backports and your GPU still isn't working. |
| 21:56.28 | ratrace | infact, I don't know of any desktop oriented linux malware in the wild. there could be, I just haven't heard of it. |
| 21:56.48 | ratrace | cinesc: could be a cryptominer that glitched your GPU |
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| 21:57.17 | cinesc | that is a possibility |
| 21:57.52 | cinesc | although that doesn´t explain why someone could see what I was watching |
| 21:57.57 | cinesc | in real time |
| 21:58.03 | ratrace | could be a network issue that coincided with you clicking a link. human brain is like that. you're assuming things and there it is, concocting all kinds of scenarios and pereceiving all kinds of random things it sees, as PART of the thing it worries about. |
| 21:58.08 | ratrace | form of pareidolia. |
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| 21:59.10 | ratrace | cinesc: "it sounded as if someone knew exactly what I was watching" -- that also says nothing. Did anyone tell you they saw what you were watching? why do you think anyone did know what you were watching? |
| 21:59.48 | ratrace | cinesc: also, here's a funny story. we men are pigs. I have yet to meet a man, who's using the internet, and has NOT at least once peeped at porn. |
| 21:59.51 | cinesc | you mean the phenomena of thinking unrelated weird things that happens at the same time are related then yes it happened twice |
| 22:00.11 | cinesc | ok |
| 22:00.13 | ratrace | so there is this scamware that's been going around past few months, you get an email where this guy says he knows you were watching porn. |
| 22:00.31 | ratrace | and that he has all the links and vids of you doing it and if you don't pay up 1 BTC, he's gonna share it with your friends. |
| 22:00.46 | ratrace | that scamware APPEARS to be coming from your own address, and the mail starts with "I hacked your email". |
| 22:00.47 | cinesc | no that´s not the case |
| 22:00.49 | ratrace | THING IS... |
| 22:00.51 | somiaj | Latr_work: I see some sites that say you need to add i915.alpha_support=1 to your boot command line (see /etc/default/grub) to get the alpha driers for that card to work. Now this was for like 4.15 kernels, unsure if coffee lake is still conisdered alpha in the 4.19 or 5.2 kernel |
| 22:01.14 | schumaml | ratrace: the messages frequently claim it was child porn specifically, I think |
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| 22:01.16 | ratrace | cinesc: thing is, "From" address can be easily spoofed in any mail. it's literally you can write whatever you want in it. |
| 22:01.21 | ratrace | schumaml: that's a variant too |
| 22:01.33 | ratrace | the ones I saw were mostly "I have your porn stash, pay up" |
| 22:01.38 | Latr_work | somiaj: will look into that as well |
| 22:01.40 | cinesc | hah |
| 22:01.42 | Latr_work | thx |
| 22:02.08 | cinesc | that is a different thing from what concerns me |
| 22:02.37 | Ede|Popede | ratrace: remember that "i have access to your files" iframe in the browser, before they removed that feature? |
| 22:02.39 | somiaj | Latr_work: can you put the output of 'uname -a' and 'demsg | grep -i firmware' at paste.debian.net? |
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| 22:03.09 | ratrace | cinesc: my point is... folks with no awarnes of how these scams work will fall for it because "how did that guy know I was watching porn!!!!" |
| 22:03.11 | Latr_work | somiaj: as soon as I connect up to the wirless and get ssh from my chromebook I will :) |
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| 22:03.52 | ratrace | Ede|Popede: that was classic |
| 22:04.07 | Latr_work | X is up :D |
| 22:04.15 | ratrace | cinesc: so "how did that guy know what I was watching" ... well, who says they did :) |
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| 22:06.16 | cinesc | What I meant with it "sounded as if someone knew exactly what I was watching" is that when I was going to my workplace and even at the workplace, people started saying things that matched the material I was watching like that it was adult movie content and what occurred |
| 22:06.39 | ratrace | cinesc: pareidolia |
| 22:06.52 | cinesc | also one thing I forgot to mention at all |
| 22:06.55 | ratrace | pareidolia + paranoia = designed in hell |
| 22:07.08 | cinesc | can´t argue with that |
| 22:07.21 | cinesc | with those two being from hell |
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| 22:08.57 | schumaml | I call pareidolia the "Holy Mother Mary on my grilled cheese sandwich"-symptom ;) |
| 22:09.15 | schumaml | gah, syndrome, of course |
| 22:09.28 | ratrace | so you clicked a link, something glitched, you saw a .ru address, paranoia kicked in, and "that's when the fight started" |
| 22:10.08 | ratrace | schumaml: well yeah, brain is constantly looking up patterns in noise |
| 22:10.13 | schumaml | I've seen people freak out in comparable situations when their state of mind was affected by chems |
| 22:10.25 | Ede|Popede | helped us to survive |
| 22:10.30 | ratrace | that's why you can listen to specific voice in a murmur of many voices, or sound in general |
| 22:10.35 | schumaml | i.e. do not do Mail Under Influence |
| 22:10.55 | schumaml | or hear voices in the sounds of your AC |
| 22:10.59 | cinesc | one thing too was that they mentioned how someone had a browser with addons and the next day when I didn´t look at anything I could see how the behaviour corresponded with how I didn´t look at anything |
| 22:11.46 | ratrace | schumaml: I used to work in a printing shop. If you ever heard a printing press working, you know it calls up "Satan! Satan! Satan! Satan! Satan! ...." in this hissy, whispery voice :) |
| 22:11.53 | cinesc | about how someone knew what addons you had |
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| 22:14.32 | schumaml | ratrace: every seen cork wallpaper? |
| 22:15.52 | cinesc | as that you use a vpn and remove cookies and I happen to have addons that does serve a similar function at the time on that computer |
| 22:16.17 | ratrace | schumaml: yea |
| 22:16.20 | Latr_work | somiaj: there u have it http://paste.debian.net/1110720/ |
| 22:16.59 | ratrace | cinesc: at this point, with everything you presented so far, I'd bet you just freaked over glitch |
| 22:16.59 | schumaml | cork wallpaper - the veneer type, not the glued grains one - must the like looking straight into hell for someone who doesn't know about pareidolia, but believes in spirits and ghosts and the like |
| 22:17.15 | ratrace | schumaml: oh lol! |
| 22:17.41 | ratrace | I have a form of synesthesia. I can hear form. now add that to the mix..... |
| 22:18.02 | ratrace | form, shapes.... |
| 22:19.20 | _DeLa_ | Am I right in assuming that popular software like libreoffice will be updated quite regularly â even in stable?! |
| 22:20.49 | ratrace | _DeLa_: by update you mean "newer upstream version"? no, I don't think so. there's a few exceptions like firefox-esr and chromium but not libreoffice for example |
| 22:20.55 | Latr_work | somiaj: reading at this https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Icelake-Linux-5.1-Pull-1 not sure if I need the alpha flag anymore |
| 22:21.02 | Latr_work | I am on kernel 5.2 |
| 22:21.33 | _DeLa_ | ratrace: thanks |
| 22:21.40 | ratrace | _DeLa_: and those exceptions are forced by upstream. firefox-esr for example, as the old FF EOLs, it'd be extremely too much work to backport patches, so they SRU the ESR |
| 22:22.12 | ratrace | and chromium is an OS that's lacking a good browser, so nobody wants to backport patches for a whole OS-in-a-package :) |
| 22:26.40 | somiaj | Latr_work: and 'dmesg | grep -i firmware' |
| 22:27.02 | Latr_work | somiaj: it is there |
| 22:27.34 | _DeLa_ | What about the kind of software you can download in archive, extract it and then just put it in /opt/programname and run it â how is this to be judged? Blender for example: https://www.blender.org/download/ |
| 22:28.21 | Latr_work | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/1110730/ |
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| 22:29.19 | Latr_work | somiaj: do I need this to get HW accelleration working? https://github.com/intel/media-driver |
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| 22:35.42 | _DeLa_ | gn8 |
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| 22:37.35 | cinesc | Maybe I am entering a dead end here but is there anything can detect what is already wrong with a linux installation once it´s installed there? |
| 22:38.27 | jezebel | you'll need to be more specific |
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| 22:38.54 | somiaj | Latr_work: okay firmware is loading, lets look at your Xorg.0.log |
| 22:39.33 | cinesc | is there a tool that already knows how a linux installation should look like and finds something that isn´t supposed to be there? |
| 22:39.36 | Latr_work | okay |
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| 22:40.50 | Anonymous72 | Hello World |
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| 22:41.24 | Latr_work | somiaj: I do not have Xorg.0.log in /var/log 0_0 |
| 22:41.31 | somiaj | cinesc: that is a bit vague, each distro's linux installation will look different. There are ways to test where packages come from and check if they have the same checksum as the offical pcakage. |
| 22:41.49 | somiaj | !xorg log |
| 22:42.02 | somiaj | Latr_work: sometimes it is in $HOME/.local/share/xorg |
| 22:42.23 | somiaj | Latr_work: that is where it would appear if you are running startx |
| 22:42.40 | Latr_work | somiajI am not runnign startx |
| 22:42.52 | Latr_work | gnome fires up so I guess gdm |
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| 22:42.59 | somiaj | Latr_work: gdm should put it in /var/log |
| 22:43.12 | somiaj | Latr_work: anways, I suggest using startx to debug the issue, what does running startx do? |
| 22:43.12 | Latr_work | they aren't there :( |
| 22:43.19 | Anonymous72 | doe ssomeone know why debian installation usb stick shows up in a black screen ? |
| 22:43.33 | cinesc | already tried it, am worried that it only looks at files that are supposed to be there but not those that I in this case want to find if there is any |
| 22:43.37 | somiaj | Latr_work: probably because gdm (being gnome) is defaulting to wayland, unsure where wayland puts it logs. |
| 22:43.58 | somiaj | Anonymous72: how did you copy the debian .iso to the usb stick? |
| 22:44.08 | jezebel | cinesc⦠there's rootkit detection stuff |
| 22:44.24 | somiaj | cinesc: maybe be more specific, what are you seeing that concerns you (your questions are kinda vague) |
| 22:44.32 | jezebel | there's antivirus |
| 22:44.33 | Anonymous72 | somiaj i used the default usb installer of linux |
| 22:44.42 | cinesc | finding a trojan |
| 22:44.44 | jezebel | but you'll need to be specific |
| 22:44.48 | somiaj | Anonymous72: what does that mean? default usb installer? |
| 22:44.56 | Anonymous72 | @somi |
| 22:44.59 | somiaj | Anonymous72: how did you copy the debian.iso you downloaded to your usb drive? |
| 22:45.36 | Anonymous72 | i download it form the official source. then i have right click on it and take the opton : write on usb stick. |
| 22:45.48 | Anonymous72 | and also i have try it with dd |
| 22:45.56 | Anonymous72 | and unetbootin. both failed. |
| 22:45.58 | somiaj | Anonymous72: I have no clue what this 'write on usb stick' means. |
| 22:45.59 | jezebel | a trojan in what sense? trojans do different things |
| 22:46.02 | somiaj | !unetbootin |
| 22:46.02 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 22:46.09 | Latr_work | somiaj: I will have to figure it out. Thanks |
| 22:46.32 | somiaj | Anonymous72: dd should work, I suggest you run cp debian.iso /dev/sdX where /dev/sdX is the actual usb drive you want to copy too (not the partition). Make sure this is not mounted in the first place. |
| 22:46.37 | patterson | usb keys fail more than I do |
| 22:46.41 | jezebel | the name trojan refers to its deceptive behavior, not really what it will do - does it keylog? delete files? mine bitcoin? |
| 22:46.59 | Anonymous72 | i try to install debian on a ppc64 little endian |
| 22:47.15 | cinesc | does it include spying on what you look at? |
| 22:47.18 | jezebel | each of those would be different to detect |
| 22:47.23 | Anonymous72 | i will try this out. thx <3 |
| 22:47.33 | somiaj | Anonymous72: ahh, this might need special methods to boot/install, ppc hardware doesn't work like i386, so unsure what to suggest here. |
| 22:47.47 | Anonymous72 | ah ok.. ^^ |
| 22:47.47 | jezebel | what you look at where? in the browser? on your desktop? |
| 22:48.00 | somiaj | cinesc: what makes you think your system has been compermised? What version of debian are you running? |
| 22:48.00 | patterson | specify the machine and make your life easier |
| 22:48.17 | patterson | ppc what |
| 22:48.29 | Anonymous72 | ppc 64 little endian server... |
| 22:48.40 | somiaj | cinesc: in general, if you think you have been compermised, the only solution is to take your sytem of the network imidetally, then to back up data (though be careful, that data could still be compermised) and do a fresh install. |
| 22:48.41 | cinesc | anything |
| 22:49.03 | patterson | As in a model number. A more descriptive computer name |
| 22:49.31 | somiaj | Anonymous72: is your machine a POWER8 machine? |
| 22:49.46 | somiaj | Anonymous72: well a miniminum of POWER8, this will not work on older ppc hardware |
| 22:49.51 | jezebel | there are legitimate tools for transmitting what's on your desktop to somewhere remote |
| 22:50.03 | jezebel | e.g. vnc |
| 22:50.06 | cinesc | Everytime I think about it, this is exactly what comes to mind even if it´s too late to do |
| 22:50.16 | jezebel | they can be used for not-so-nice reasons too |
| 22:50.21 | cinesc | somiaj |
| 22:50.28 | somiaj | jezebel: what do you mean by transmitting? vnc is one, you can tunnel xorg over ssh (though this is really slow and doesn't share the desktop) |
| 22:50.29 | Anonymous72 | it is before 2013.. so it will not work.. hmm thx |
| 22:50.52 | somiaj | oh wait, this is for cinesc, nevermind me. |
| 22:51.34 | somiaj | Anonymous72: there is an unoffical ppc port, check ports.debian.org, but it has little support and you are mostly on your own trying to get it to work. I've seen some struggle for a month getting it to work (really have to know what you are are doing) |
| 22:51.38 | Anonymous72 | cinesc should i pentest you quickly? :-) |
| 22:51.53 | somiaj | but in general ppc hardware isn't supported anymore |
| 22:51.56 | cinesc | how does that work? |
| 22:51.57 | jezebel | their isp might object ;) |
| 22:52.59 | Anonymous72 | i need an ip and then i can attack you from the inet to recon what open ports you are running. |
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| 22:53.31 | Anonymous72 | and then i can simulate a malicious attacker and report it to you |
| 22:53.58 | cinesc | wait, is there a whitehat here? this might be someone who I have been looking after all along |
| 22:54.05 | Anonymous72 | note: you can change your ip with a router restart :-) |
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| 22:54.31 | Anonymous72 | i dont like hats..it cuts the oxygen off my brain :D |
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| 22:54.52 | somiaj | depends, many ISPs cache the dhcp ip for a bit, so you can't just restart your router to be assigned a new ip. |
| 22:55.27 | cinesc | you mean a router restart as in pulling out and putting back in restart or call the company to restart? |
| 22:55.43 | jezebel | just dial in to a different number, oh wait, wrong decade |
| 22:55.43 | Anonymous72 | pulling out |
| 22:55.53 | somiaj | cinesc: You are being really vague, you should state more specifics. |
| 22:56.09 | cinesc | the good old fashion way you meant |
| 22:56.23 | Anonymous72 | yes |
| 22:56.32 | cinesc | hmm |
| 22:56.34 | somiaj | cinesc: many routers use DHCP to get an ip from their ISP. Often times the ISP gives you a lease which reserves that IP for your hardware for a set period of time, so rebooting the router may not assign you a new ip as was suggsested. |
| 22:56.35 | Anonymous72 | or just use stubby and a openvpn profile |
| 22:56.48 | Anonymous72 | but then i can not pentest you :-) |
| 22:57.21 | cinesc | what does it require? |
| 22:57.30 | Anonymous72 | somiaj partially true. for troubleshooting purposes the isps have some json scripts. |
| 22:58.14 | somiaj | depends on the ISP and if you specifcally release the dhcp lease or just restart the router. |
| 22:58.16 | cinesc | can I add you as a friend or contact somewhere? @Anonymous72 |
| 22:58.49 | Anonymous72 | if you want we can chat here officially :-) i have nothing to hide and love opensource <3 |
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| 22:59.20 | jezebel | Anonymous72⦠just have them visit shieldsup (if that still works?) |
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| 22:59.25 | jezebel | :D |
| 23:00.45 | Anonymous72 | jezebel xD and online port scanner should replace a real red team scenarion ? xD |
| 23:00.54 | Anonymous72 | *an |
| 23:01.18 | jezebel | no |
| 23:02.14 | Anonymous72 | hihi |
| 23:03.11 | cinesc | Was thinking something like hangouts or similar. Here works as well too but then I have to make a permanent account. |
| 23:03.40 | Anonymous72 | or oyu can use guerillamail |
| 23:04.31 | Anonymous72 | :-P |
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| 23:04.47 | cinesc | heard protonmail and tuatra (which I think I spelled wrong) are valid options though |
| 23:04.49 | Anonymous72 | just kidding, there is everything readable.... |
| 23:04.59 | cinesc | hah |
| 23:05.02 | Anonymous72 | protonmail is a cooloption |
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| 23:05.23 | Anonymous72 | but what exactly do u want ? |
| 23:05.27 | cinesc | although one in particular is interesting |
| 23:05.36 | somiaj | though this has drifted from (and unsure if it ever ways) debian support. cinesc has only talked about 'linux', but this is a debian support channel, not a pentest channel. |
| 23:05.56 | Anonymous72 | somiaj sry ! |
| 23:06.07 | somiaj | its fine, but lets get back to debian support if we can. |
| 23:06.33 | Anonymous72 | so ihave this old ppc 64 little endian. what i should choose to get the best out of it ? |
| 23:06.45 | Anonymous72 | and older version of debian maybe? |
| 23:07.31 | cinesc | here is a fair share of interesting. https://www.privacytools.io/providers/email/ |
| 23:07.36 | lupine | always choose an up-to-date version of debian |
| 23:08.54 | Anonymous72 | i like debian a lot, is rly stable and trustworthly. |
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| 23:10.35 | Anonymous72 | i have another server a dlg380 g7 with 256 gb ram and xeons in it with 15k sas raid but there debian is not so fast... |
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| 23:11.05 | cinesc | that is a lot of ram |
| 23:11.28 | cinesc | can it run chrome with 200+ tabs on it? |
| 23:11.51 | jezebel | Anonymous72⦠i cant hear you! |
| 23:12.41 | Anonymous72 | 1084 tabs in a couple seconds. just pressing shortcut keys... with 16 gb ram and 1 xeon without problem. |
| 23:13.08 | Anonymous72 | speaking louder to jezebel xD |
| 23:13.49 | Anonymous72 | now that cryptocurrency is not more profitable the companies get rid of the server they had. |
| 23:14.16 | Anonymous72 | but sry, i should rly only speak for debian. so, is debian good for cryptomining ? |
| 23:14.24 | Anonymous72 | xD |
| 23:14.54 | somiaj | don't see why it wouldn't be, but it will require you install various software from third party. |
| 23:15.17 | Anonymous72 | so with 3 party software debian becomes than unstable and unsecure, rigth ? |
| 23:15.27 | jezebel | my understanding is that you're not going to outcompete the ppl using ASICs and GPUs |
| 23:16.03 | somiaj | Anonymous72: depends on the software and its requirements. If the third party software is fairly stand alone and works with debian libs, this works just fine (only the third party software maybe unstable, and you have to keep security up to it yourself) |
| 23:16.06 | jezebel | they have entire data centers with said gear |
| 23:17.11 | Anonymous72 | does debian have custom builds like ubuntu ? with custom logo and software precompiled in it ? |
| 23:17.23 | somiaj | !pureblend |
| 23:17.28 | somiaj | Anonymous72: not really |
| 23:17.31 | somiaj | !debian pure blend |
| 23:17.31 | dpkg | A Debian Pure Blend (formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends http://blends.debian.org/ #debian-blends on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:17.38 | somiaj | that is the closest |
| 23:17.49 | Anonymous72 | ok wow |
| 23:18.08 | Anonymous72 | so i can make the system bullet proof with debian and then just virtual instance a distro ? |
| 23:18.19 | somiaj | they use the same debian packages, but may ship additional configurations, or have all the said packages needed for a certain task set up to easilly install. |
| 23:18.48 | somiaj | sure you can use debian has a host, and then use xen, lxc, qmeu-kvm, or what not to run vms inside of it |
| 23:19.06 | Anonymous72 | wow, xen will bee a good option for me |
| 23:19.11 | somiaj | using virtualization that isn't included in debian adds another layer (such as virtualbox isn't in debian anymore due to oracle policy) |
| 23:19.26 | somiaj | I prefer qemu-kvm because it is already included int he linux kernel, and doesn't need additional modules like xen |
| 23:19.29 | Anonymous72 | ahh.. policys ^^ .... |
| 23:20.42 | somiaj | yea oracle won't support a frozen version of virtual box, and debian doens't want to yet again make an exception where security fixes are providing the newest version of said software. |
| 23:20.55 | somiaj | Browsers are the only exception to said policy because they are so core these days. |
| 23:21.21 | Anonymous72 | i have infromed me for qemu...the new CVEs for qemu are scary... |
| 23:21.38 | somiaj | The sad part is vbox developers have (and would) help debian out, but oracle's policy won't let them. |
| 23:22.40 | somiaj | Anonymous72: do you have the CVE numbers for that? |
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| 23:23.42 | Anonymous72 | its cool to be independent, but imagine an independency in open source ? i think is not possible... |
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| 23:24.01 | Anonymous72 | debian should be more chill with some big companys with good products.. :-) |
| 23:24.30 | somiaj | Its more debian has a fairly standard policy, and if debian cannot support a frozen version, this breaks debian's policy |
| 23:24.51 | Anonymous72 | because if some companys break the policy, other company steal it ... |
| 23:25.19 | somiaj | in this case it isn't that, it is oracle will not help debian backport security fixes to older versions of virtualbox. They only support the current version |
| 23:25.20 | Anonymous72 | can we not just delete all policy rules of the world with a powerfull script , dear python gods? xD |
| 23:25.23 | somiaj | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=794466 |
| 23:25.24 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/794466 in src:virtualbox (open, stretch, buster, bullseye, sid): «virtualbox: might not be suitable for stable releases due to lack of cooperation from upstream on security support for older releases»; severity: serious; opened: 2015-08-03; last modified: 2019-09-28. |
| 23:26.23 | somiaj | Debian is working on creating a method in which we can make packages available to stable without having them frozen in stable. In stretch we used stretch-backports for this, but this didn't work, and so they developers are working on some way to add stuff to stable while keeping the core frozen. |
| 23:27.20 | Anonymous72 | interesting... |
| 23:27.37 | Anonymous72 | if i had the knowledge, i will help out right now... |
| 23:27.49 | somiaj | problem is, if something isn't sutibile for stable, it isn't sutitible for testing, but then it can't be backported. |
| 23:27.59 | somiaj | It is more policy than building |
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| 23:33.53 | intruder01 | I had lots of fun with LXC |
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| 23:35.00 | Anonymous72 | oh noo! an intrueder? where is the idps when whe need him. |
| 23:36.39 | Anonymous72 | lxc is cool, it remembers me the qubesos project. |
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| 23:41.16 | Anonymous72 | thanks to this awesome channel for taking away my abored brain :-) |
| 23:41.22 | Anonymous72 | i tcp syn rst know |
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