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| 00:20.52 | rpifan | i dont have any sound on my system, i tried pavucontrol and it says the laptop speakers are unavaiable |
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| 00:21.02 | rpifan | i also installed the intel drivers and i had sound for a while |
| 00:21.05 | rpifan | but then it randomy stopped |
| 00:21.26 | rpifan | i ran severla of the alsa tests |
| 00:21.27 | rpifan | http://alsa-project.org/db/?f=903b1c51b75b7f438de723ae90c8f6a65f93e857 |
| 00:21.32 | SanchoPensa | rpifan: open alsamixer in a console prolly something is muted there |
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| 00:21.49 | rpifan | already tried |
| 00:21.52 | rpifan | its fine |
| 00:22.52 | SanchoPensa | so, you have a sound module in lsmod? |
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| 00:23.16 | rpifan | yes |
| 00:23.35 | SanchoPensa | in that case it is also not disabled in bios |
| 00:23.56 | rpifan | well it did work |
| 00:24.25 | SanchoPensa | rpifan: what about external speakers or headphones, do they work? |
| 00:24.50 | rpifan | no |
| 00:25.01 | SanchoPensa | no?? |
| 00:25.25 | rpifan | they dont work |
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| 00:25.25 | SanchoPensa | when in pavucontrol, what options do you get on the tab output devices? |
| 00:26.01 | rpifan | speakers (unavalaible) headphones (plugged in) but nothing is plugged in |
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| 00:26.40 | SanchoPensa | hmmm... |
| 00:26.51 | SanchoPensa | what does ps aux | grep pulse return? |
| 00:28.01 | SanchoPensa | rpifan: ? |
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| 00:29.09 | rpifan | phantom+ 7965 1.6 0.3 1405080 27700 ? S<sl 01:28 0:00 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no |
| 00:29.37 | ahoo | on this page: https://linuxhint.com/install_vmware_workstation_pro_debian_10/ there are packages listed to install that do not exist in my repository? |
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| 00:30.16 | SanchoPensa | rpifan: there's your problem. 1305 0.7 0.0 979168 14920 ? S<l Oct28 2:20 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog |
| 00:30.57 | rpifan | whats the isuse? |
| 00:30.59 | karlpinc | SanchoPensa: The buster release notes contains a section for what to do when things go wrong with a buster upgrade. I don't know if that will cover your problem but it might. |
| 00:31.55 | SanchoPensa | karlpinc: thank you! I have actually flown over them, but nothing jumpend my eye, maybe I need to read more thoroughly... |
| 00:32.01 | wskyx | eh mate-volume-controll-applet constantly crashing is driving me nuts |
| 00:32.15 | SanchoPensa | rpifan: do you start pulseaudio manually? |
| 00:32.19 | rpifan | no |
| 00:32.32 | SanchoPensa | why is it set to daemonize=no? |
| 00:32.32 | rpifan | but ive been messing with this for so long |
| 00:32.34 | rpifan | idk what im doing |
| 00:32.36 | rpifan | idk |
| 00:32.40 | rpifan | how do i change that |
| 00:32.51 | SanchoPensa | in the configfile for pulseaudio |
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| 00:34.14 | tds | SanchoPensa: pretty sure daemonize=no is the default config for pulse running under systemd, and it run with type=notify |
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| 00:34.16 | karlpinc | SanchoPensa: There's a bit in the "getting ready" that tells you how not to run out of space. :-) |
| 00:34.29 | ahoo | never mind. |
| 00:35.04 | SanchoPensa | karlpinc: hehe, well, I am afraid, that child already fell in the water... |
| 00:35.31 | SanchoPensa | tds: it isn't in my case... |
| 00:36.10 | SanchoPensa | tds: but you can of course try and help rpifan. in case, he returns... |
| 00:36.39 | tds | oh, gone, heh |
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| 00:37.09 | tds | that's definitely what i see on this buster machine though, eg |
| 00:37.11 | karlpinc | SanchoPensa: People always want to see everything the <bat> factoid asks for to fix your kind of problem, if you want to present another paste. |
| 00:37.17 | tds | $ systemctl --user cat pulseaudio | grep ExecStart |
| 00:37.17 | tds | ExecStart=/usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no |
| 00:38.47 | karlpinc | SanchoPensa: IIRC the buster release notes also said to do an "apt-get upgrade" before the "apt-get full-upgrade". I don't know if you've tried that. |
| 00:38.55 | SanchoPensa | tds: fascinating! in my case too! but ps aux | grep pulse returns 1305 0.7 0.0 979168 15036 ? S<l Oct28 2:33 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog |
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| 00:39.18 | SanchoPensa | karlpinc: yes of course! standard routine! |
| 00:42.22 | SanchoPensa | i have another very odd issue... i get a warning, that the firmare for the g100 nvidia graphics adapter is missing. so, it appears, I need backports. |
| 00:43.42 | SanchoPensa | so, I install backports in the sources.list, I call the package form apt-get -t buster-backports install firmware-misc-nonfree, yet still I get the package from buster, instead of packports, tells me is the newest version, but that one is from january, and backports is from july |
| 00:43.47 | SanchoPensa | why is that? |
| 00:45.00 | SanchoPensa | firmware-misc-nonfree is already the newest version (20190114-2). |
| 00:45.34 | LtL | SanchoPensa: append contrib and non-free to each of your sources.list lines and apt update |
| 00:45.34 | SanchoPensa | instead of 20190717-2 |
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| 00:46.02 | dvs | SanchoPensa, did you do an apt-get update first? |
| 00:46.35 | SanchoPensa | LtL: oh geez... thank you! :D |
| 00:46.49 | dvs | heh |
| 00:46.58 | dvs | ... |
| 00:47.23 | SanchoPensa | dvs LtL, NOW it worked, hehehe |
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| 00:57.10 | SanchoPensa | weeeell, deborphan is one hell of a piece of software! |
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| 01:09.30 | kadiro | I was to ask something but it seems that i solved it |
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| 01:12.06 | wskyx | eh mate-volume-controll-applet constantly crashing is driving me nuts |
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| 01:18.06 | karlpinc | SanchoPensa: You might also want to read the release notes section on cleaning up after an upgrade, if you've not. |
| 01:19.13 | SanchoPensa | karlpinc: I am right now in the process of discovering some highly interesting pieces of software as deborphan and debfoster. but so far they did not help me top determine, what I am missing. |
| 01:20.18 | karlpinc | SanchoPensa: It's only missing for me if I want it and it's not there, in which case I install it. |
| 01:21.06 | SanchoPensa | karlpinc: the problem is: my upgrade routine to buster was interrupted, because my /boot partition ran out of disc space |
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| 01:21.42 | SanchoPensa | now I am in a condition, where I don't get any errors what so ever, but autoremove suggests to remove half the desktop |
| 01:22.33 | SanchoPensa | I was able to reduce the number of packets, that it suggests by about 40% by installing gnome and KDE. or in other words, I am missing some damned meta-package, but I dont know which one. |
| 01:23.19 | karlpinc | SanchoPensa: I don't know. Upgrading to buster is going to involve removing a lot of old stuff. You could try using tasksel. That's the big-bucket-o-packages installer. |
| 01:23.24 | SanchoPensa | so, repeating apt-get full-upgrade does not do the trick |
| 01:23.45 | SanchoPensa | karlpinc: yeah but not texlive and stuff |
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| 01:24.45 | SanchoPensa | karlpinc: have a look at this, these are the packages, that remain for autoremoval: https://paste.debian.net/1111505/ |
| 01:25.09 | SanchoPensa | there used to be 58 lines, as said, I reduced them to 37 by installing KDE and GNOME |
| 01:25.44 | karlpinc | SanchoPensa: (Does your apt config install "recommends" etc?) You need to paste the <bat> stuff. |
| 01:25.49 | SanchoPensa | there has to be some missing root, where all these run together... |
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| 01:26.07 | SanchoPensa | nope |
| 01:26.17 | SanchoPensa | no recommends in sources-list |
| 01:26.23 | karlpinc | SanchoPensa: It could be something like the gnome desktop task. Possibly. |
| 01:26.41 | SanchoPensa | karlpinc: something like that, yep |
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| 01:26.42 | karlpinc | SanchoPensa: It is not in sources.list it is in your apt config, which the <bat> factoid tells you how to paste. |
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| 01:27.10 | SanchoPensa | whats a <bat> factoid? |
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| 01:27.36 | karlpinc | !bat |
| 01:27.36 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 01:27.37 | SanchoPensa | oh, dpkg has the answer, got iot |
| 01:28.13 | SanchoPensa | hehehe |
| 01:28.27 | SanchoPensa | karlpinc: are you kidding me? for all 37 lines of packages? :D |
| 01:28.32 | yagnii | https://wiki.debian.org/HardeningWalkthrough lists the standard build flags for Wheezy include. I was surprised that -pie wasnât included by default. Is there more updated documentation about later releases? |
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| 01:29.43 | karlpinc | SanchoPensa: I don't solve these sorts of problems. (Usually.) But yes. It is asked for for a reason. Should be simple enough to cut and paste. All the packages are on one very long line in your paste. So: apt-cache policy ... For one long command. |
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| 01:30.44 | SanchoPensa | karlpinc: aye! |
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| 01:31.56 | themill | yagnii: see "dpkg-buildflags"; many packages will do "DEB_BUILD_MAINT_OPTIONS=hardening=+all dpkg-buildflags". Globally enabling things like -pie tends to break things in ways that are only spotted at runtime not at buildtime, so there's not a lot of desire to go there |
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| 01:32.51 | SanchoPensa | karlpinc: will have to do it line by line, though... |
| 01:33.28 | karlpinc | SanchoPensa: apt-get outputs multiple lines? (I wouldn't think so.) |
| 01:34.30 | themill | SanchoPensa: try installing kde-plasma-desktop |
| 01:34.35 | SanchoPensa | karlpinc: https://paste.debian.net/1111518/ |
| 01:35.33 | SanchoPensa | themill: already did that, eliminated about 40% of those autoremoval suggestions |
| 01:35.56 | SanchoPensa | these are the ones, that remain: https://paste.debian.net/1111505/ |
| 01:36.35 | themill | SanchoPensa: what release of debian are you trying to run? |
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| 01:37.39 | SanchoPensa | themill: I was in the middle of upgrading to buster, when I ran out of diskspace on /boot. I fixed that, but I seem to have lost some meta-package |
| 01:38.13 | themill | most of those library packages re only in stretch and not in buster; there are newer versions installed. |
| 01:38.27 | SanchoPensa | themill: sudo apt-get full-upgrade returns no errors, but suggests to autoremove those packages in the pastebin link |
| 01:38.37 | themill | also, you seem to still have stretch in your sources.list which is likely unhelpful for apt |
| 01:38.55 | SanchoPensa | themill, but there are packages like texlive...? |
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| 01:39.28 | themill | ,i texlive-generic-recommended |
| 01:39.29 | judd | Package texlive-generic-recommended (tex, optional) in buster/amd64: TeX Live: transitional dummy package. Version: 2018.20190227-2; Size: 31.4k; Installed: 69k; Homepage: http://www.tug.org/texlive/ |
| 01:39.40 | SanchoPensa | themill: this is my sources.list: https://paste.debian.net/1111520/ |
| 01:40.04 | themill | SanchoPensa: based on your previous paste, you also have stretch in your sources.list somewhere |
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| 01:40.19 | SanchoPensa | themill: how do you figure? |
| 01:40.28 | dvs | or in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 01:40.31 | themill | because that's exactly what the paste said |
| 01:40.44 | SanchoPensa | themill: I can't see that? |
| 01:41.04 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:41.52 | themill | So either you're looking at two different machines, or you need to look more carefully at your sources.list. |
| 01:41.56 | themill | !show sources.list SanchoPensa |
| 01:41.56 | dpkg | SanchoPensa: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} |
| 01:41.57 | SanchoPensa | geez, yes there was one in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/base.list |
| 01:42.24 | SanchoPensa | themill: thank you, I found it... now what? |
| 01:42.31 | dvs | ... |
| 01:42.52 | alexandros_c | Good day, I am running debian 10 with plasma 5.14 and it will boot into sddm. When I go the console and check on it status there are problems and it say that it connected successful but all I get is a black screen. Can anyone help me with this? |
| 01:44.42 | SanchoPensa | themill: ok, one error source less... but. you are saying, that removing all those packages might be safe after all? |
| 01:45.39 | allizom | alexandros_c: please describe your issue in a different way, what you said is not clear |
| 01:46.07 | SanchoPensa | texlive-generic-recommended is already the newest version (2018.20190227-2). |
| 01:46.08 | alexandros_c | allizom, what is not clear? |
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| 01:46.39 | allizom | what are you doing, what's the issue. please rephrase |
| 01:46.44 | alexandros_c | Good day, I am running debian 10 with plasma 5.14 and it will not boot into sddm. When I go the console and check on it status there are problems and it say that it connected successful but all I get is a black screen. Can anyone help me with this? |
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| 01:46.56 | alexandros_c | is that better |
| 01:47.05 | allizom | quite |
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| 01:47.23 | alexandros_c | allizom, thanks |
| 01:47.49 | SanchoPensa | :D |
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| 01:47.57 | SanchoPensa | oh my... |
| 01:49.10 | allizom | alexandros_c: what do you exactly check on the console, what's the output, etc. |
| 01:49.29 | SanchoPensa | themill: I have exactly that texlive package installed, yet still it is marked for autoremove. Why? |
| 01:49.35 | alexandros_c | systemclt status sddm |
| 01:50.45 | allizom | it's *systemctl but I guess you typed it correctly. What's its status then? |
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| 01:52.46 | allizom | alexandros_c: please do not paste long outputs here. Use a pastebin |
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| 02:15.17 | alexandros_c | allizom, https://pastebin.com/raw/SVfEYcjS |
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| 02:18.45 | crestfallen | hi how do I get into the debian (10) sound system. I have a bluetooth device that is recognized and connected but I'm getting no sound |
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| 02:19.36 | alexandros_c | allizom, thanks the problem has solved itself |
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| 02:20.21 | allizom | deletes the last line |
| 02:20.45 | allizom | then \o |
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| 02:22.08 | crestfallen | put differently, I'm getting sound out of the system, so I should say what could be the issue if I'm connected to a synched device and the device sound checks itself? |
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| 02:23.33 | alexandros_c | allizom, the strange this I have been rebooting that for a day and have no success getting into sddm. but after asking for help all of a sudden when I rebooted it started sddm go figure |
| 02:25.09 | allizom | all's well that ends well, to put it with a quote |
| 02:25.13 | SanchoPensa | themill: man, you really never seize to amaze me! in all those years, you haven't once, not a single time said anything, that was wrong. So, I made that leap of confidence, and autoremoved those 37 lines of packages. You what happened? NOTHING. :D You were right. apparently they were all stretch packets after all. |
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| 02:25.59 | alexandros_c | allizom, once again thanks for your help, I appreciated it :) |
| 02:26.20 | SanchoPensa | themill: as always, thank you very much, very much appreciated! |
| 02:26.41 | SanchoPensa | many thanks also to everybody else, who helped me piece by piece! |
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| 02:51.40 | mathieu | I've been running sid since forever and it seems like I hit one of those weird issues that happen once / 5 years. My sound card device has disappeared. snd-intel-hda is loaded and the same issue happens with the 3 kernel packages I have installed (4.19, 5.2, 5.3). Is there a known issue going around? |
| 02:51.50 | NecessaryEvil | Hi how can I redo the choice of my Debian mirror in the installer ? Perhaps dpkg-reconfigure something ? |
| 02:52.27 | dvs | NecessaryEvil, it would be easier to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file |
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| 02:53.17 | NecessaryEvil | Ok gonna edit sources list |
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| 07:49.07 | Big_Aziz | Hi guys |
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| 08:09.08 | at0m | dpkg: tell darxmurf about ask |
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| 08:17.57 | StyXman | how do I change the root and resume parameters for the linux kernel in grub2? |
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| 08:30.00 | at0m | StyXman: via /etc/default/grub, then run update-grub, which will write that to /boot/grub/grub.cfg iirc |
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| 08:59.26 | StyXman | \]so i just add it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT |
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| 09:00.50 | at0m | StyXman: that, or make an extra option |
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| 09:05.01 | Janni | Hello. |
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| 09:06.16 | Janni | After having updated my firefox-esr to 68.2.0esr on my debian buster all my extensions no longer seem to work. They are installed and marked as active but they have no effect whatsoever. |
| 09:06.21 | wskyx | r/2 |
| 09:06.23 | StyXman | Janni: o/ |
| 09:06.33 | Janni | Deactivating and reactivating doesn't help, neither does deinstalling and reinstalling. |
| 09:06.49 | StyXman | Janni: I have a friend who had a similar issue, lemme find her BR |
| 09:06.53 | Janni | I haven't tried with a fresh profile yet. I was hoping this was a known issue. |
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| 09:06.58 | Janni | StyXman: Thanks! |
| 09:06.59 | kreyren | Janni, iirc 68.2.0 had issues with mozila having expired certificate for extension, use later version which should work |
| 09:07.54 | kreyren | i'm on firefox-esr/testing,now 60.8.0esr-1 which doesn't have this issue |
| 09:08.37 | Janni | Indeed. 60.8.0 works fine for me too. No (visible) sign of an expired certificate anywhere... |
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| 09:11.03 | ratrace | Janni: updated from which esr, 60? |
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| 09:11.08 | StyXman | Janni: I only have this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=943470 |
| 09:11.09 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/943470 in webext-ublock-origin (open): «webext-ublock-origin: Version in stable not working after [DSA 4549-1] firefox-esr security update»; severity: grave; opened: 2019-10-25; last modified: 2019-10-25. |
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| 09:11.32 | Janni | ratrace: Yes, 60.8 |
| 09:11.42 | Janni | (afk) |
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| 09:12.09 | jaggz | how do I see why mypaint is conflicting with gimp? |
| 09:13.02 | ratrace | jaggz: trying to install one while the other is already installed should tell you |
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| 09:14.29 | towo^work | and it's not debioan stable, what he is talking about |
| 09:14.37 | jaggz | ratrace, looks like gimp is installing libmypaint-1.3-0 but mypaint is 1.2 |
| 09:14.39 | towo^work | aptitude why-not mypaint-data |
| 09:15.12 | jaggz | nice |
| 09:16.20 | jaggz | i'm in buster |
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| 09:17.17 | jaggz | http://paste.debian.net/1111611/ |
| 09:17.22 | towo^work | then maybe it's time to fill abug |
| 09:17.31 | jaggz | libmypaint-common conflicts with -data? |
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| 09:17.51 | towo^work | oha, debian-multimedia involved |
| 09:18.37 | jaggz | who's this bug report go to? |
| 09:19.05 | towo^work | !bts |
| 09:19.06 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 09:20.54 | Ede|Popede | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=906144 |
| 09:20.55 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/906144 in libmypaint-common (open, patch, buster-ignore): «libmypaint-common: drop Conflicts: mypaint-data»; severity: serious; opened: 2018-08-14; last modified: 2019-06-06. |
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| 09:31.17 | ratrace | jaggz: are you using conflicting repos? |
| 09:32.58 | jaggz | raI don't think so.. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=897909 |
| 09:33.00 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/897909 in src:mypaint (open, patch): «mypaint: Unable to install MyPaint when Gimp 2.10 is installed»; severity: important; opened: 2018-05-04; last modified: 2019-06-03. |
| 09:33.42 | jaggz | hrm. I tried to post in response to that existing bug |
| 09:33.51 | jaggz | using reportbug |
| 09:33.53 | jaggz | :/ |
| 09:34.58 | ratrace | Ah I see Ede|Popede already posted above... |
| 09:35.13 | jaggz | oh that was someone else.. stuff wasn't making sense :) |
| 09:35.16 | jaggz | Bug report submitted to: Debian Bug Tracking System <897909@bugs.debian.org> |
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| 09:35.46 | jaggz | I posted my why-nots and 'becauses' :) |
| 09:36.27 | ratrace | Opened: 2018-05-04 :/ |
| 09:36.44 | jaggz | darned foss world! work mules! |
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| 09:38.15 | wrksx | Should I avoid using ~ in my crontab? |
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| 09:42.37 | OS-61586 | Hi guys |
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| 09:43.09 | n_1-c_k | wrksx, I use it there, seems fine. |
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| 09:43.33 | wrksx | n_1-c_k: right, thanks |
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| 09:44.08 | acebrianjuan | Hi all, I need to develop a piece of software for a machine that runs Debian lenny 2.6.26, which is obsolete |
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| 09:45.13 | Habbie | acebrianjuan, we are very sorry to hear that |
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| 09:45.20 | at0m | dpkg: tell acebrianjuan about LTS |
| 09:45.27 | hwm4rgs | acebrianjuan: jesus christ how horrifying |
| 09:45.46 | ratrace | acebrianjuan: quit that job while you still can |
| 09:46.02 | acebrianjuan | lol :D |
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| 09:46.12 | acebrianjuan | thanks for your honesty guys! |
| 09:46.26 | acebrianjuan | that's all I needed to know |
| 09:46.27 | kalpu | Hi, trying to build a debian package: I have a postinst and a preinst file, both have a shell function which is the same. Can I somehow create a third file and postinst and preinst "include" that one? |
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| 09:46.36 | OS-61586 | Try harder! |
| 09:47.15 | at0m | all depends what the machine's task is. for example, I know a light & sound guy that runs his lightshow on a Win98 machine. it just works. it's not for his email or surfing, it's a dedi machine. |
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| 09:47.46 | ratrace | until a stray cosmic ray hits that disk and it's no longer bootable, salvageable or reinstallable |
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| 09:48.12 | ratrace | and then it's "Oh, shi-! We made no effort to upgrade and now we're offline until we do!" |
| 09:48.17 | wrksx | kalpu: if preinst and postinst are shell scripts, you can probably include what you want in each of them |
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| 09:48.50 | wrksx | ratrace: ahah ratrace sounds so familiar |
| 09:48.59 | ratrace | wrksx: I'm talking from experience :) |
| 09:49.18 | wrksx | ratrace: I'm reading it from experience too ;) |
| 09:49.26 | ratrace | ;) |
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| 09:50.28 | teclo | morning, on a clean install of Debian 10.1, the server is connected to the Internet but does not route packets from other machines. I did echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward but the server still does not route. Am I missing something ? |
| 09:50.51 | kalpu | wrksx: Thanks, but the included file is not installed on the system. I just don't want to write the same function in preinst and postinst. Do you have any idea? |
| 09:51.31 | ratrace | teclo: well, how did you set it up? how many NICs, subnets? |
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| 09:52.06 | wrksx | kalpu: I never packaged anything myself so take that into account... But I guess you could add an arbirary file in your package, let's say "functions_def.sh" and include that in your pre/post install scripts |
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| 09:52.13 | teclo | ratrace: just one NIC |
| 09:52.22 | ratrace | teclo: also that echo is effective only until you reboot, so you should make it permanent via /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 09:52.34 | ratrace | teclo: uh then what exactly you're doing? |
| 09:52.37 | wrksx | kalpu: but as I said I have no experience in doing that. Just a thought |
| 09:53.15 | kalpu | wrksx: thanks |
| 09:53.29 | teclo | ratrace: well I've got that server that has the VDSL connection on ppp0 |
| 09:53.52 | teclo | it connects to the Internet, DNS works, but it does not route... |
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| 09:54.00 | ratrace | teclo: so it's a WAN/LAN gate? |
| 09:54.06 | teclo | It worked very well when this server was running Debian 8.x |
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| 09:54.18 | teclo | ratrace: yeah that's a WAN/LAN gate indeed |
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| 09:54.31 | ratrace | teclo: if the LAN subnet is non-routable rfc-1918 space, you'll have to NAT |
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| 09:55.14 | teclo | ratrace: ah I guess that's what I'm missing... the 8.x server had a script that started iptables |
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| 09:55.18 | vlt | Sometimes I'm the light & sound guy. There a projects from 2003 where I use an old Debian *image* and write it byte by byte to the laptop before the show. I don't even bother with a virtual machine. |
| 09:55.26 | teclo | with NAT options |
| 09:55.52 | ratrace | teclo: yup |
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| 09:56.35 | ratrace | teclo: most likely you need just SNAT for LAN machines to access the WAN, but if you need the reverse, aka "port forwarding", that's DNAT then too |
| 09:56.46 | ratrace | (and those are your keywords for google if you need examples ;) ) |
| 09:57.13 | teclo | ratrace: but I took the start_firewall.sh script from 8.x and put it on 10.1, but when I run it, I got no networking anymore |
| 09:57.27 | teclo | but I guess the start_firewall.sh script needs to be adapted |
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| 09:57.45 | ratrace | teclo: yea well a lost has changed since 8.x |
| 09:57.49 | ratrace | a *lot |
| 09:58.50 | teclo | ratrace: I guess I'd better start with a new script there, googling SNAT and DNAT like you said ;) |
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| 09:59.08 | ratrace | teclo: or you can pastebin that script if it's not too big, someone might spot a problem |
| 10:00.03 | teclo | ratrace: ok... well I'll first try with a brand new script looking for the SNAT and DNAT like your said :) thank you |
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| 10:41.53 | teclo | morning, I'm having something annoying with my ppp0 connection. In /etc/resolv.conf, I got nameserver 192.168.1.1 so the machine points to itself because it's running dnsmasq, and then in /etc/resolv.conf.dnsmasq, there I got the DNS servers of my ISP. But everytime I do pon or poff, it erases /etc/resolv.conf with the ISP's nameservers. How do I stop the pppoe tool from doing this ? |
| 10:42.07 | Tyson_911 | how to connect a backdoor without a netcat listnere |
| 10:42.12 | teclo | I already commented out defaultroute and replacedetfaultroute |
| 10:42.27 | teclo | in /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider |
| 10:42.39 | teclo | perhaps should I comment out usepeerdns |
| 10:42.53 | teclo | pppoe gurus, please raise their hands ! :) |
| 10:43.07 | Tyson_911 | how to connect a backdoor without a netcat listnere |
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| 10:50.51 | ratrace | teclo: is there the resolvconf (!) package present that might be doing that? |
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| 10:52.46 | ratrace | teclo: also there's "usepeerdns" option for pppd that should be disabled |
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| 10:53.38 | jomofcw | Helo ! |
| 10:53.41 | jomofcw | *Hello |
| 10:54.00 | ratrace | 250 OK |
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| 10:57.52 | jomofcw | I use FTP (via VSFTPd) and SFTP (via openssh_server) but when my user connect then can see the full tree of files (then can edit only what they have in home). I would like to create an access FTP or SFTP to a temporary user and I want him to see (and be able to write) only the /patch/to/directory I choose. How can i achieve this, please ? (using Debian 8 Jessy) |
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| 10:59.02 | hwm4rgs | jomofcw: chroot_local_user is probably what you want |
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| 11:01.24 | jomofcw | hwm4rgs hello, thanks for your answer. I absolutely dunno how it works... this is a vsftpd parameter, nop ? |
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| 11:02.45 | ratrace | jomofcw: no, SSHd. Look up "ChrootDirectory" in the sshd_config manpage, and read it _carefully_ especially about directory permissions. |
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| 11:03.06 | ratrace | (also google up examples how to use ssh ChrootDirectory). |
| 11:03.33 | ratrace | (and I said "no" because afaik vsftpd already does chroot for FTP, I might be mistaken) |
| 11:04.24 | fireba11 | ppl are still using ftp? :-D |
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| 11:33.10 | NeedHelpThanks | hello. Why does "uname -r" print a different version than "uname -v"? which one is actually the version of my kernel? |
| 11:34.26 | ratrace | NeedHelpThanks: -r is relase, -v is the versions |
| 11:34.29 | ratrace | *release |
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| 11:34.59 | wskyx | i see/9 |
| 11:35.01 | NeedHelpThanks | yes I know, but I don't understand. Isn't the release of the kernel I'm using also the version of the kernel I'm using? should be? |
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| 11:35.14 | ratrace | eg. currently on Buster, it's 6th revision of the 4.19.0 release, version tracked is 4.19.67, 2nd revision with debpatches |
| 11:35.26 | NeedHelpThanks | ahhhhhhhhhh |
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| 11:36.23 | ratrace | technically, release is really 4.19.x because Debian tracks the whole LTS branch and stays with it for the duration of Stable, but that .x would break the versioning, so it's .0 |
| 11:36.32 | NeedHelpThanks | so if I've understood: release is X.XX.X, like.. "Official kernel full version", and version is like small patches added up to that version |
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| 11:37.00 | NeedHelpThanks | like.. you can have Windows XP version, but Windows XP Service Pack 2 release? |
| 11:37.38 | NeedHelpThanks | no, the opposite |
| 11:37.47 | NeedHelpThanks | Windows XP release, and now Windows XP Service Pack 2 version |
| 11:38.17 | NeedHelpThanks | or Windows 10 Release and Windows 10 Enterprise version |
| 11:38.34 | NeedHelpThanks | so I got kernel 4.18.0 release and 4.18.XX version |
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| 11:39.16 | NeedHelpThanks | is that it? |
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| 11:39.34 | ratrace | NeedHelpThanks: the "release" in this case reflects the branch used and debian specific revision. Debian tracks LTS kernel branches, in this case that's the 4.19.x branch |
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| 11:40.53 | ratrace | NeedHelpThanks: nothe that package versions is basically x.y.z(.m.n.....)-revision |
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| 11:41.57 | ratrace | I mean it's way more complex than that, but in this case, it's basically that. Here's more on versioning in debian: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#version |
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| 11:43.28 | ratrace | NeedHelpThanks: in this case, the package is NAMED linux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64 and that's also its release reported by uname -r . However the actual package version is 4.19.67-2+deb10u1. It's a bit more complex when you consider the linux-image-amd64 metapackage that currently sits at 4.19+105+deb10u1 which represents 105th revision of the 4.19 branch with deb patches |
| 11:43.36 | NeedHelpThanks | ratrace my version prints a different revision, x.y.z(.m.n.....)-(REVISION) than uname -r, version ends in -2 and uname -r ends in -3. I just want to understand the concept, the essence of the difference between -r and -v, so would you say release is equal to Windows 10 and version is equal to Home/Pro/Enterprise (like different versions of the |
| 11:43.37 | NeedHelpThanks | same release, like a few different changes over the "full package")? |
| 11:44.30 | ratrace | NeedHelpThanks: no. Release would be "Windows XP Service Pack 2" but version would be "Windows NT 5.1" |
| 11:45.20 | ratrace | that NT 5.1 is the TRUE version of windows. eg win 10 is NT 10, win 8 was NT 6.3 and win 7 was NT 6.1 etc... |
| 11:46.19 | ratrace | NeedHelpThanks: in debian the kernel is packaged like that in order to allow multiple kernel versions installed concurrently. |
| 11:47.19 | ratrace | eg. if it were only "linux-image-amd64", then you couldn't have multiple versions of it. This way, you have "linux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64" package name, versioned 4.19.67-2+deb10u1, and before that there was "fra$ dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
| 11:47.20 | Lope | ratrace, hey bro, I'm busy testing multiple LUKS unlock with the for loop idea. It's not working. The dropbear ended and the system started booting, but got stuck and wanted me to type the password for the 2nd LUKS volume. After I did, it finished booting. |
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| 11:47.30 | ratrace | ah crap paste |
| 11:47.48 | ratrace | NeedHelpThanks: anyway you get the point I hope |
| 11:48.26 | NeedHelpThanks | ratrace my version (Windows NT 5.1) is 4.18.20-2, and my release (Windows XP SP 2) is 4.18.0-3, so how come the release (something that comes AFTER the version) is LOWER than the version? |
| 11:48.34 | Lope | ratrace, ssh root@testhost -p 1234 -i $key 'for i in {1..2}; do echo -n "superSecReT" > /lib/cryptsetup/passfifo; done' |
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| 11:49.04 | Lope | ratrace, it unlocks the first luks only? :/ |
| 11:49.17 | Lope | and then the dropbear ends. Weird huh? |
| 11:49.29 | Lope | I'm going to try login and do it manually just for curiosity sake. |
| 11:49.38 | ratrace | NeedHelpThanks: well it makes sense when you think about it. It's version X.Y of a X.0 release, that started with .0 and is now .Y as it reflects the X(.0) BRANCH you're in |
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| 11:51.25 | NeedHelpThanks | ratrace it would make sense if the version is X.Y and the release is X.Y+1, because the release is released after the version, the release builds on top of the version, so the release shouldn't be X.Y-20 |
| 11:51.35 | ratrace | Lope: I used to use this with passfifo to remotely unlock: https://dpaste.de/MBjG |
| 11:51.43 | Lope | this is super weird. I echo'd the password to fifo manually inside a SSH session to dropbear. Nothing appeared to change. I waited 5 seconds and just repeated the command. Then it looked like it was working but now dropbear has ended, it continued booting but is asking for me to type in the LUKS pass for the 2nd LUKS :/ |
| 11:51.52 | ratrace | NeedHelpThanks: it should because that's how revisions work in debian versioning |
| 11:51.55 | Lope | (basically same experience as the for loop) |
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| 11:52.13 | NeedHelpThanks | so they go backwards instead of forward |
| 11:52.38 | ratrace | NeedHelpThanks: debian doesn't alter the upstream version from which it branched of, that's why there are revisions and modifications appended to the basic version |
| 11:52.50 | jomofcw | Sorry I was afk |
| 11:53.03 | ratrace | NeedHelpThanks: however in case of the kernel, like I said, that revision is baked into package name to allow co-installation of multiple versions. |
| 11:53.20 | ratrace | NeedHelpThanks: and it represents only the BRANCH that debian is basing on |
| 11:53.26 | Lope | ratrace, haha ghetto forloop buddy. I'll try adding the sleep 1 like you have. |
| 11:53.55 | jomofcw | ratrace OK thanks, I give it a try |
| 11:53.58 | ratrace | Lope: oh yes now that you mention it, I think that sleep is important. You asked before and I said I didn't think it was needed.... |
| 11:54.05 | dka | How can I create a ISO of windows from linux debian? |
| 11:54.13 | Lope | Yes, good memory. |
| 11:54.42 | dka | I am stuck with woe usb it keep saying my disk is mounted while it's not |
| 11:54.48 | dka | should I format it ? |
| 11:54.50 | wskyx | dka: you mean what, put it on a thumbdrive? |
| 11:54.58 | dka | Yes USB KEY |
| 11:55.16 | wskyx | easiest way use a windows vm with winsetuptousb |
| 11:55.27 | NeedHelpThanks | Debian releases a version, let's say 4.18.20-2, and from there Debian releases releases, so if my version is 4.18.20-2, I could understand a release called 4.18.20-3 or 4.18.21, but how can I have a release (4.18.0-3) which is under my version? that makes no sense. Sorry, I know you've trying to explain but I'm just too stupid to understand, |
| 11:55.28 | NeedHelpThanks | nevermind |
| 11:55.34 | Lope | ratrace, I'm using a mechanical HDD, not sure if that makes any difference. (like if I need a longer sleep) |
| 11:55.46 | wskyx | or dump the iso data to the drive and manually install the bootloader |
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| 11:55.57 | wskyx | wither way you need a windows vm |
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| 11:56.17 | ratrace | NeedHelpThanks: the release really wants to be 4.18.x-3 but for technical reasons it can't have that .x, so they opted for .0 |
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| 11:56.17 | wskyx | this is how i do it |
| 11:56.17 | Lope | ratrace, I'm testing on an old laptop that's right infront of me so I can get my stuff right before I go doing it on a remote server and suffer the pain of a shitty remote KVM. |
| 11:56.35 | NeedHelpThanks | ratrace ahhhhhhhhhh GOTCHA :D |
| 11:56.36 | ratrace | NeedHelpThanks: because it means 3'rd revision of the 4.18.x branch release |
| 11:56.51 | NeedHelpThanks | thanks |
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| 11:57.22 | Lope | ratrace, got the same problem, even with sleep 1. |
| 11:57.35 | wskyx | either way* |
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| 11:58.21 | ratrace | Lope: you should be able to test it manually. ssh in, echo one, observe what happens on the laptop screen, it should re-prompt for the other, try echo again... maybe the sleep is too short? |
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| 11:59.24 | dka | Is there a tutorial I can follow for Debian 10 and Creating Windows 10 USB Bootable Key ? |
| 11:59.59 | Lope | ratrace, I logged in manually and entered the first password. I counted (inaccurate) 12 seconds and then it disconnected my dropbear session and continued booting, then asked for the 2nd LUKS device's passphrase. |
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| 12:00.18 | Lope | (asked on the test laptop's physical screen) |
| 12:00.43 | ratrace | Lope: ah... how many entries you have in crypttab? you should have one for each device iirc |
| 12:00.55 | Lope | ratrace, I know there's a special thing you can do with crypttab that allows you to physically type in a password once that's used on multiple LUKS |
| 12:01.04 | Lope | So maybe that will work... |
| 12:01.16 | Lope | I've got 2 LUKS and 2 entries in /etc/crypttab :/ |
| 12:01.44 | ratrace | Lope: yes there was something about systemd methinks but I'm not sure that made it into Buster |
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| 12:02.35 | ratrace | Lope: frankly, I wouldn't know then. the passfifo method worked for me, but I stopped using it. these days I don't use cryptsetup-initramfs at all, and have a custom initramfs "local-top" script that holds boot until I provide the key. |
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| 12:02.59 | Lope | ratrace, the other way is to store the 2nd disk's key on the first disk |
| 12:03.05 | Lope | But I'd rather not mess with that. |
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| 12:03.09 | ratrace | Lope: the premise there is simple. initramfs will execute all those scripts in order, and "local-top" is exec'd before root devices should be made detectable |
| 12:03.53 | Lope | ratrace, well your custom initramfs thing is probably what allows your method to work. |
| 12:04.05 | Lope | ratrace, I wonder if I put my non-root thing first. |
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| 12:04.10 | ratrace | so the script I use simply waits for the keyfile to become available, then once found (a simple for loop with sleep testing on path existence) it proceeds to cryptsetup luksOpen the devices, exits with 0 |
| 12:04.19 | Lope | Because once it gets the root LUKS it continues booting and that's where things go wrong. |
| 12:04.56 | ratrace | Lope: seen this? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/392284/using-a-single-passphrase-to-unlock-multiple-encrypted-disks-at-boot |
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| 12:05.54 | ratrace | Lope: btw it's not a custom initramfs. I use regular initramfs mechanics for that. You can place your "scripts" in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts |
| 12:06.55 | Lope | LOL. I reversed the order of the /etc/crypttab entries but it still used the first password to decrypt the root LUKS!? hahaha |
| 12:07.20 | Lope | I'm going to try put my root fs after the other one in /etc/fstab |
| 12:07.28 | Lope | (just experimenting for curiosity sake) |
| 12:07.32 | ratrace | Lope: this is the currently WIP version I have (it's bound to be more secure with that temporary keyfile, and remote fetchign from key server will be added) https://dpaste.de/ZaJw |
| 12:08.06 | ratrace | Lope: I use literally this script in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/unlock-root.sh (the filename is arbitrary) and no cryptsetup-initramfs or crypttab |
| 12:08.07 | Lope | But that actually wouldn't help, because /etc/fstab is inside the root LUKS. |
| 12:08.17 | ratrace | update-intramfs -u is all that's needed to get it in |
| 12:08.27 | Lope | so it's clearly decrypting the root LUKS before it bothers looking at fstab. |
| 12:08.29 | JyZyXEL | Lope: have you tried the "initramfs" crypttab option? |
| 12:08.42 | Lope | JyZyXEL, can you elaborate please? |
| 12:08.49 | Lope | JyZyXEL, what do you mean? |
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| 12:09.11 | Lope | ratrace, looking at your comments and links now. |
| 12:09.12 | JyZyXEL | Lope: if you define all entries in crypttab with the "initramfs"-option |
| 12:09.27 | ratrace | I think that option is removed now (not recognized), but there used to be a bug where cryptsetup wouldn't work in initramfs without it, something something |
| 12:09.43 | ratrace | my current debian desktop buster has no "initramfs" in the crypttab |
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| 12:10.00 | JyZyXEL | i still use it on buster |
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| 12:10.07 | Lope | JyZyXEL, interesting, will look that up in the manual. |
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| 12:11.07 | Lope | man crypttab says: The initramfs hook processes the root device, any resume devices and any devices with the initramfs option set. These |
| 12:11.07 | Lope | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.07 | Lope | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.19 | Lope | Sorry about all the unexpected linebreaks. Sounds like a winner. |
| 12:12.02 | Lope | JyZyXEL, i think this is going to work. |
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| 12:12.17 | JyZyXEL | it works for me combined with decrypt_derived |
| 12:12.41 | JyZyXEL | just had to tell systemd to ignore the entries |
| 12:12.42 | Lope | interesting, what do you use decrypt_derived for? |
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| 12:13.57 | JyZyXEL | for opening non-root devices without having to repeat the passphrase |
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| 12:14.13 | Lope | okay now I tried with the for loop of 2. It's stayed at the initramfs stage of the boot and is asking me to type the 2nd LUKS's password. So the 1 second delay wasn't enough for this mechanical disk and maybe the CPU etc. |
| 12:14.41 | ratrace | Lope: even with that "initramfs" option in crypttab? |
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| 12:15.19 | JyZyXEL | remember to update-initramfs afterwards |
| 12:15.27 | Lope | ratrace, the initramfs option helped a lot. It made the boot process stay in initramfs until the 2nd luks was unlocked. But 1 second probably wasn't enough delay for the mechanical disk and 2000 series i7 laptop 2/4 CPU |
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| 12:16.07 | Lope | going to manually try it in an interactive session and time how long it takes to ask me for the 2nd pass. |
| 12:16.13 | ratrace | Lope: I see. |
| 12:17.19 | Lope | 13 seconds??? |
| 12:17.27 | Lope | a lot more than your 1 second experience. |
| 12:17.44 | Lope | I timed it with a stopwatch. |
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| 12:18.13 | ratrace | I'd definitely recommend use a custom local-top script like I have and don't use cryptsetup-initramfs at all |
| 12:18.39 | Lope | okay, I manually entered the 2nd pass via dropbear interactive ssh session, it booted :) |
| 12:18.58 | Lope | ratrace, what are the benefits? |
| 12:19.15 | ratrace | Lope: problem with that remote unlocking of root is..... barely documented anywhre. there's a number of "tutorials" and at least when I was doing it the first time few years ago, most of them didn't work, and were different between debian and ubuntu |
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| 12:19.34 | Lope | ratrace, yeah, we are pretty fringe here. |
| 12:20.11 | ratrace | very fringe, especially with debian specific scripts and systemd's own meddling in the affair -- with good intentions, but I don't think that feature is yet in Debian |
| 12:20.36 | ratrace | so I said to hell with all that, Imma build my own unlocker, with blackjack and hookers. |
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| 12:21.24 | Lope | heheh what? what about duke nukem saying "shake it baby" |
| 12:21.27 | ratrace | Lope: the premise is VERY simple. initramfs executes a set of "scripts" (execd during boot, where "hooks" are exec'd during update-initramfs) in order with the SOLE purpose to make the rootfs available for autodetection and pivoting to |
| 12:21.41 | Lope | okay I modified the for loop with a 15 second delay. It wasn't enough lol. |
| 12:22.12 | Lope | I think using the 1 password many luks thing will be more robust anyway. But keen to try this for curiosity sake. |
| 12:22.21 | ratrace | so, you create a script (I use the "local-top" stage) which sits and waits for the key to appear, then runs cryptsetup unlock. the only drawback of this method is that you need to have a hook that puts cryptsetup and needed crypto modules in initramfs -- things that the cryptsetup-initramfs package would do |
| 12:22.49 | ratrace | unfortunately, can't have crypsetup-initramfs AND empty crypttab both -- ie. to take advantage of it preparing the initramfs with all the tools and NOT using crypttab but your own script |
| 12:23.12 | ratrace | Anway.... few weeks later and a megaton of testing and dissecting initramfs-tools internally.... I finally got it. |
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| 12:24.08 | ratrace | I primarily do it because I want the ability to look up keys from our central keyserver AND wait for a local file at the same time, thus: 1. prevent console unlcking, 2. allow remote key fetch, 3. allow a ssh session to log in and provide the keyfile. |
| 12:24.08 | Lope | 20 seconds didn't work. Trying 25 seconds :\_ |
| 12:24.10 | JyZyXEL | ratrace couldn't you use the crypsetup hooks as a base for your own solution? |
| 12:24.33 | Lope | 25 seconds didn't work either *scratches head* |
| 12:24.47 | ratrace | JyZyXEL: via keyscript? |
| 12:25.19 | ratrace | I dont' know.... this way I have 100% control via VERY simplistic "local-top" stage script, and a tiny hook that preloadds initramfs with cryptsetup binary and required crypto modules |
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| 12:26.15 | Lope | 40 seconds didn't work. clearly the for loop thing is not a winner with this setup. |
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| 12:27.08 | ratrace | these two are all I need and initramfs-update -u: https://dpaste.de/xE0W |
| 12:28.15 | ratrace | and like I said, I'll be extending that local-top script to fetch the key remotely and try one or the other until one of them suceeds |
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| 12:29.26 | ratrace | it'll be a bit more involved as I need to add whole openssl, curl and build a local CA (so I don't need to trust the ca-certificates) |
| 12:30.30 | Lope | ratrace, I tried adding ",keyscript=decrypt_keyctl" to my crypttab, but got error: entries E: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptkeyctl failed with return 1. |
| 12:30.36 | ratrace | that hook is btw the default cryptsetup's hook, stripped down for all the carp I don't need |
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| 12:31.02 | ratrace | JyZyXEL: maybe you meant that? I actually used the cryptsetup's initramfs hooks |
| 12:31.10 | Lope | ratrace, oh crap, I just read the line after the example "Unfortunately, this currently doesn't work on Debian systems using systemd init due to a bug "\ |
| 12:31.37 | ratrace | Lope: ? |
| 12:32.19 | Lope | ratrace, regarding: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/392284/using-a-single-passphrase-to-unlock-multiple-encrypted-disks-at-boot |
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| 12:33.15 | ratrace | Lope: and the last sentence of that paragraph? that's the bug I seemed to half-remember... you need "initramfs" in crypttab to avoid that bug |
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| 12:34.14 | oyuu | exit |
| 12:34.14 | Lope | ah, well I do have it. but I might be missing a package causing the error I had. |
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| 12:35.38 | Lope | ratrace, I installed the keyutils package, now update-initramfs -u succeeded. |
| 12:35.48 | Lope | Test time. |
| 12:36.31 | ratrace | Lope: if only passfifo was a shell script, I could dissect it and find out what it does. I gave up googling for its source code |
| 12:36.49 | Lope | it worked. it said "using cached passphrase for (2nd luks) |
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| 12:36.53 | Lope | It booted very fast. |
| 12:37.05 | Lope | So now I unlocked it remotely without a for loop. |
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| 12:37.35 | Lope | 5 stars baby! thanks guys JyZyXEL ratrace |
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| 12:37.56 | ratrace | very nice. |
| 12:38.04 | ratrace | so what _exactly_ did you do? |
| 12:38.46 | Lope | I first knocked on wood 3x, threw some salt over my shoulder. patted my stuffed penguin and gave it a hug for good measure. |
| 12:39.07 | ratrace | all the required steps, agreed. and then? :) |
| 12:39.16 | Lope | With the most important things taken care of I crossed my fingers and then... |
| 12:39.47 | Lope | I installed the keyutils package, ensured crypttab entries all had luks,discard,initramfs,keyscript=decrypt_keyctl then `update-initramfs -u` and linus is my uncle. |
| 12:39.55 | han-solo | Lope: tell about the error just before you installed `keyutils` package |
| 12:40.03 | ratrace | holy undocumented gotcha galore skagsack! :) now quick, immortalize that knowledge into a debian wiki! patting the penguin included! |
| 12:40.22 | Lope | ratrace, cool, where is this wiki? |
| 12:40.31 | ratrace | wiki.debian.org |
| 12:41.36 | Lope | ratrace, I used the wiki's search for crypttab, but nothing came up? |
| 12:41.44 | unborn | guys question here.. virtualbox is no longer in debian 9? |
| 12:42.22 | Lope | unborn, I strongly dislike virtualbox. Have you tried virt-manager? |
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| 12:42.47 | unborn | Lope: not yet |
| 12:42.54 | unborn | is it any better? |
| 12:43.14 | Lope | What I dislike about virtualbox mainly is the USB oracle drivers, and the UUID's from hell that the disk images use. They are non-portable in the most ungodly way. |
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| 12:43.41 | Lope | unborn, the inability to move a VM means virtualbox is a pile of garbage to me. |
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| 12:43.56 | ratrace | unborn: it's in stretch-backports, and not at all in buster. I do second using qemu instead |
| 12:44.23 | Lope | the only thing virtualbox has going for it in my experience is that it has a virtual 3D accelerator which can be useful, for example if you want to be able to run the blizzard console in a VM. |
| 12:44.42 | JyZyXEL | does virtualbox still use DKMS or did they get everything mainlined? |
| 12:44.51 | unborn | qemu uhm my mother would not be able to use windows with it... its too complicated for her.. and i don't like it as well. |
| 12:44.55 | ratrace | Lope: don't forget passing usb devices in |
| 12:45.10 | Lope | ratrace, you mean IOMMU stuff? |
| 12:45.19 | Lope | for the USB controller? |
| 12:45.45 | unborn | Lope: that means I would have to create new virtual hdd and install windows again - right? |
| 12:45.46 | ratrace | I think that was it yes, passing a USB device directly into the VM |
| 12:45.51 | Lope | ratrace, oh you mean just connecting a USB device to the VM? well yes, but you need the oracle USB driver blobs to get that working. |
| 12:46.13 | ratrace | JyZyXEL: since 4.15 the linux kernel contains the GUEST modules mainlined, so that part is no longer needed to be installed separately |
| 12:46.19 | Lope | unborn, pretty much. |
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| 12:46.31 | unborn | ah f**k |
| 12:46.40 | ratrace | no wait |
| 12:46.46 | ratrace | you can convert a VB image into qemu |
| 12:46.51 | Lope | unborn, you can install crap from previous versions of debian in the current version of debian. |
| 12:47.13 | unborn | nah, I would like to move forward lope |
| 12:47.20 | Lope | you just change your sources to the old debian, update, then install what you want, then change the sources back to the current debian. |
| 12:47.43 | unborn | ratrace: the reason why I did never used qemu was lack of proper and easy documentation |
| 12:47.45 | ratrace | unborn: https://docs.openstack.org/image-guide/convert-images.html |
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| 12:48.36 | Lope | unborn, virt-manager is 70% easy to use. You will need to use qemu-img to manipulate images, but other than that you can do everything in the GUI. |
| 12:49.01 | ratrace | Lope: dunno, I never had problem finding stuff on how to use qemu. I do prefer to use qemu-system-x86_64 from the cli though, no GUI thingies. |
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| 12:49.15 | NetTerminalGene | can rx570 gpu reclock itself high or low frequency depends on workload with free amd driver? |
| 12:49.35 | Lope | unborn, i dunno how you feel about binary blobs in your system, but when I first moved to linux in 2012/3 I was still very in my windows comfort zone and I installed VMWare Workstation in linux and it's truly a masterpiece. It blows the user experience of virtualbox and virt-manager into non-existence. |
| 12:49.41 | unborn | Lope: its for my mom, she needs to be able to click and start.. you know, shes 63years old and would not get any command line stuff in old scull |
| 12:50.49 | darxmurf | Anybody got a working documentation about how to setup a SMB share using windows AD ACLs? |
| 12:50.57 | unborn | Lope: yap I tried vmware.. got license somewhere. I did not like it.. my hardware was not powerful.. can virt-manager be done on machine like this? hold on I pass the specs now |
| 12:50.59 | ratrace | unborn: if you/she is using GNOME, there's also GNOME boxes iirc, with very simplified interface |
| 12:50.59 | Lope | unborn, lol, you know I tried to get my dad to use linux. I still try. I try to remind him every time he has a problem in windows that windows is less relaible than Linux and that it's not actually easier to use, it's just slightly more familiar. |
| 12:51.09 | unborn | Client: HexChat 2.12.4 ⢠OS: Debian 9.11 ⢠CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2330M CPU @ 2.20GHz (900MHz) ⢠Memory: Physical: 7.5 GiB Total (5.8 GiB Free) Swap: 11.9 GiB Total (11.9 GiB Free) ⢠Storage: 331.3 GB / 463.1 GB (131.9 GB Free) ⢠VGA: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Controller ⢠Uptime: 4h 9m 22s |
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| 12:51.34 | Lope | unborn given that your mom is 63 she could probably just use linux software like libreoffice and firefox, what else could she need? |
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| 12:52.02 | eypo | unborn, just in case https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads there you have instructions to add their repo |
| 12:52.19 | eypo | agrees with Lope |
| 12:52.26 | Lope | unborn, if your hardware is too unpowerful to run a VM then that's even more reason to try get your mother to just use linux software. |
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| 12:52.48 | Lope | the reality is that windows is not actually easier (for a computer novice) in a meaningful way. |
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| 12:53.59 | unborn | eypo: I wont have frankenstiendebian rather then force her (and my self) to be up to date.. Lope I think she need to get retired - its some database apps they using in windows for stock and ordering.. that's why I am pissed off.. I don't use windows since debian 5 too.. just repairing it for other people. |
| 12:54.00 | Lope | The huge benefit if you get your parent to run linux is you can just SSH in and do stuff for them in seconds, and there's very little maintenance to be done. |
| 12:54.43 | Lope | unborn, if she only needs to run a legaxy app try WINE? |
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| 12:54.51 | eypo | My father (about 70) was 'forced' to linux using 'My way, or the highway'. You want my support, you use linux. You want windows, go ask Microsoft for support, and don't forget to pay the licenses for windows, office and so on. |
| 12:55.04 | Lope | legacy. Old business apps tend to work well on WINE |
| 12:55.13 | unborn | Lope: she knows.. but she have still 7 years to get to retirement.. I will found my way otherwise I will purchase some cheap amd |
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| 12:55.37 | eypo | xfce to resemble windows and the he goes. No major complains after a week or two |
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| 12:56.05 | unborn | hell Lope no wine on any linux box never ever.. wont see that unfinished unsecured crap in any proper linux box in our house or family (politely saying) |
| 12:56.16 | eypo | unborn, quit being microsoft support for your relatives for free |
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| 12:56.59 | Lope | eypo, i tried that strategy as well. problem is he uses a few windows programs like lightroom or whatever. Part of moving OS is the willingness to try different software. A lot of people hate learning stuff because they hate the feeling of not knowing what they're doing. |
| 12:57.01 | unborn | lope I will install virt-manager, it seems to me nice.. docs are also not that bad. I am thankful for your suggestion |
| 12:57.10 | Lope | It's a really terrible place to be (for them). |
| 12:57.47 | eypo | Long time ago I realized that relatives have two types of computer problems : |
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| 12:58.05 | eypo | type 1: those that get resolved installing linux |
| 12:58.25 | Lope | hahaha eypo |
| 12:58.32 | eypo | type 2: those that when you say you're going to install linux, they magically dissapear |
| 12:58.41 | unborn | eypo: I know.. its just her as she don't have an choice.. and its my mother, you know even I would rather...I have to try to help her :) |
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| 12:59.49 | Lope | unborn, if vmware workstation ran badly on your system I doubt qemu will run much better. |
| 13:00.11 | unborn | eypo: my mom is using linux since 2011 gladly trust me.. but her work place wont even discuss it.. Lope do you have any suggestion for tips and how to's for virt-manager? |
| 13:00.28 | unborn | I mean more info.. so I can learn my self.. |
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| 13:00.41 | Lope | I mean I love qemu. But vmware workstation is a great product aside from being closed source. |
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| 13:01.39 | Lope | unborn, don't let virt-manager create your virtual disks for you. create them yourself with qemu-img. If you use qcow2 you can use CoW |
| 13:01.45 | Lope | and snapshots etc. |
| 13:02.06 | Lope | and use thin provisioning etc. |
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| 13:02.55 | Lope | unborn, there isn't much to it. You just use it. virt-manager is just a front-end for libvirt which is a front-end for qemu-kvm |
| 13:02.56 | unborn | Lope: yeah but with qemu I have to convert each iso to img no? |
| 13:03.18 | Lope | you just mount ISO's as a virtual DVD drive |
| 13:03.23 | Lope | no conversion required. |
| 13:03.46 | Lope | in the virt-manager GUI |
| 13:04.01 | Lope | Check out the IRC network OFTC for #virt-manager |
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| 13:04.10 | Lope | It's pretty dead, but it exists. |
| 13:04.17 | unborn | eh Lope so virt-manager or qemu.. ? she must have gui otherwise I would be non stop with her on phone |
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| 13:04.48 | Lope | virt-manager is okay. definitely virt-manager for a novice vs any other qemu thing. |
| 13:05.14 | Lope | Unless of course you start the VM and then she accesses the VM via a VNC client. |
| 13:05.39 | unborn | thanks, let me play with it.. as I said if she would not be able to get it into her brain I purchase some cheap windows machine for her.. |
| 13:05.41 | Lope | You could have a VNC client connect to the VM automagically on boot or with a desktop icon etc. |
| 13:06.21 | Lope | nah, she'll be fine, just make it nice and easy for her. |
| 13:07.28 | Lope | you can even install a VNC server in the VM (like realvnc) and connect a VNC viewer to that to get cross clipboard stuff working. |
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| 13:07.50 | Ede|Popede | are there alternatives to unrar-free? or maybe something that could check the integrity of an archive? |
| 13:07.55 | unborn | Lope: what was virt-manager gui packages name? |
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| 13:08.39 | Lope | You won't get clipboard sharing working if you use qemu's VNC server. You will if you use a SPICE virtual display adapter and install windows guest drivers though. |
| 13:09.01 | Lope | virt-manager is a GUI, that is probably the package name. |
| 13:09.44 | unborn | ah |
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| 13:10.53 | Lope | With spice you probably get the added benefit of drag and drop a file from host to VM and back. |
| 13:11.22 | Lope | but if you don't need that I prefer running a VNC server in the VM, if I need clipboard sharing. |
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| 13:12.27 | unborn | Lope: this looks fantastic! is that virt-manager somehow long time project in debian (perhaps you don't know) ? I mean support.. |
| 13:12.32 | Lope | as ratrace mentioned you can convert your virtualbox disk image to qemu format, but whether windows freaks out about the hardware changing is another story. |
| 13:12.59 | ratrace | oh yeah that |
| 13:13.05 | Lope | BTW did you know you can download windows 10 ISO directly from MS and install it and never activate it. So far the only downside is they show a watermark. |
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| 13:13.17 | ratrace | btw, win10 won't have an issue with hw change |
| 13:13.31 | Lope | if you haven't activated windows then hardware change won't be an issue |
| 13:13.47 | unborn | Lope: well if any windows freakouts I would rather install her new system from scratch.. for conversion its only 40 gigs with all data she have there.. no hard feelings for it. |
| 13:13.50 | ratrace | Lope: and they do so in full screen steam games too! The gall! :( |
| 13:14.06 | Lope | ratrace, oh yes I've heard that. But it would probably cause license deactivation and a lovely 20~50 minute phonecall with microsoft to re-activate. |
| 13:14.17 | ratrace | Lope: not with win10 |
| 13:14.23 | Lope | ratrace, lol, never tried that. |
| 13:14.27 | ratrace | the win10 license allows you to migrate it wherever whenever |
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| 13:14.54 | Lope | ratrace, oh, interesting. Can you install windows 10 on a USB stick yet, or is that still not possible? |
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| 13:15.33 | ratrace | no idea :) I just know a few things about win10 that were important for my installation of it under a VM for the purpose of playing Destiny 2 with passthru'd gpu |
| 13:15.46 | Lope | you can buy a possibly dodgy windows activation key for $50 or less. I've not tried it. |
| 13:16.32 | ratrace | but since Destiny 2 moved to steam and I eagerly tried it in proton only to find it deliberately refuses to work under proton, I rm'd the whole thing and vowed never to touch stuff that actively refuses to run under linux even wine. |
| 13:16.32 | Lope | Before my GPU died I was playing overwatch on windows 7, much nicer :) |
| 13:16.39 | ratrace | Lope: I got mine for ten bucks on ebay |
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| 13:17.03 | unborn | Lope: ps.. if you have windows 7,8 pro you can activate it to 10 for free.. all the times.. payload is privacy which is non in 10.. that is why I was a bit upset with this whole virtualbox thingy.. she have windows 7 up to date and she not need and wont update to 10 now I have like month to update whole iso of 7 to sp-whatever-mumber.. hey man that virt-manager looks promising |
| 13:17.27 | Lope | windows 7 is nice if you only use windows for games and if you have an intel CPU because of all of intels security vulnerabilities. Faster than new windows with all the patches. |
| 13:17.52 | ratrace | isn't Win7 like EOL now? |
| 13:17.57 | unborn | ratrace: as you correctly mentioned: the win10 license allows you to migrate it wherever whenever - this is because you don't own os, you renting it |
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| 13:18.18 | ratrace | unborn: you were also renting it before, and it was stricter with being unable to move from hw to hw :) |
| 13:18.19 | Lope | ratrace, if it runs the games you want to play, who cares |
| 13:18.21 | greycat | Yes, most people should be off of Windows XP by now. Oh wait, you said Windows 7, didn't you. |
| 13:18.34 | ratrace | greycat: yes that's EOL too innit? |
| 13:18.45 | greycat | A bit, yes. |
| 13:18.49 | Lope | ratrace, the only downside of windows 7 is it doesn't support the OBS feature where it copies directly from the GPU framebuffer to NvEnc. |
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| 13:19.07 | Lope | But apparently windows 8 can do it. |
| 13:19.13 | ratrace | Lope: well I care. installing random third party executable code via steam would NOT be my favorite, especially on unpatched EOL'd win, would NOT be acceptable to me :) |
| 13:19.31 | unborn | greycat: great to see you.. I was looking for virtualbox replacement for old lady in my house.. so we got discussion about it.. as I need to learn a bit more to move my self from virtual box |
| 13:19.57 | Lope | ratrace, well I suppose you've got your fully booted linux running side-by side with it, so that makes sense. |
| 13:20.05 | greycat | unborn: in that case, you don't want me |
| 13:20.09 | Lope | ratrace, my CPU doesn't support IOMMU |
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| 13:20.17 | Lope | haswell i5 |
| 13:20.24 | ratrace | unborn: ordinarily I'd always recommend qemu, but since you have an existing installation, of win7 no less, perhaps the easiest way is to install VM from their debian repos and call it a day. |
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| 13:20.54 | ratrace | Lope: in that case, for games only, why not win10 :) legally downloaded, ebay license key is $10 |
| 13:21.23 | Lope | ratrace, yeah, win10 is fine. I think you can disable the security mitigations in win10 anyway. |
| 13:21.25 | unborn | greycat: wrong! qemu or virt-manager? as I know you for long time, your answer would be starting with q.. but its for old lady (she needs easy gui) |
| 13:21.35 | ratrace | Lope: I wouldn't want to :) |
| 13:21.45 | greycat | unborn: I don't do virtual machinery |
| 13:21.46 | ratrace | unborn: there's no OR in that relation |
| 13:21.52 | Lope | ratrace, well if you're on a games only machine, it's fine :p |
| 13:22.08 | Lope | just join the botnet, bro. |
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| 13:22.23 | ratrace | unborn: virt-manager is just nice UI for underlying qemu-kvm based hypervisor |
| 13:22.25 | Lope | okay enough trash talk. Back to work |
| 13:22.50 | unborn | greycat: sure. ratrace as I am digging around it, just realising it :) |
| 13:22.54 | ratrace | Lope: if it ain't working in Steam on muh Debian (even through proton), it doesn't exist :) |
| 13:23.34 | ratrace | Lope: which I AppArmor'ed btw, to mitigate that "running third party executable code of gods know what quality" |
| 13:23.41 | JyZyXEL | proton is a miracle gift from linux gods |
| 13:24.06 | unborn | Lope: I agree! ratrace steam? pornhub is better.. or perhaps I am too old for games.....oh wait dedicated gaming console is best ;) |
| 13:24.08 | ratrace | technically, proton is a nice VALUE ADDED thing Valve did to WINE which is a gift from linux gods :) |
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| 13:24.44 | unborn | Lope: since it is using native stuff in os.. I do not need to install any *additions* do I? |
| 13:24.51 | ratrace | unborn: dedicated game console best? HARRR HARRR HARR HARR! owait you weren't kidding |
| 13:24.53 | Piraty | when i install python2, the /usr/bin/python -> python2 symlink is not created. how come? |
| 13:25.10 | ratrace | Does it run Linux? NO? Doesn't exist. :): |
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| 13:25.33 | ratrace | Piraty: should there be a symlink? |
| 13:25.40 | greycat | Piraty: because it's supposed to be there already? |
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| 13:26.18 | greycat | I'm rather concerned by the phrase "when i install python2", implying that it had been removed or something |
| 13:26.29 | ratrace | ah indeed, /usr/bin/python IS a symlink to python2 |
| 13:26.49 | Piraty | yeah ofc. some distros/people point it to py3 by default |
| 13:26.56 | greycat | You *MUST NOT* do that in Debian. |
| 13:27.04 | ratrace | OR ANYWHERE |
| 13:27.13 | Piraty | that's the moment all legacy python scripts break that have /usr/bin/python or similar in their shebang |
| 13:27.20 | ratrace | PEP-394, people |
| 13:28.12 | ratrace | Piraty: that's broken distros and bugs should be filed. Until a new PEP changes it, {/usr}/bin/python is always 2.x |
| 13:28.12 | Piraty | still, why is python->python2 symlink not setup in docker image debian:buster when i install python2? |
| 13:28.21 | greycat | "Docker". Well, now I know. |
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| 13:28.51 | Piraty | set-alternative or sth like that? |
| 13:28.57 | ratrace | by the way, the /bin/python being 2.x rule is voided inside virtualenvs. |
| 13:29.21 | greycat | Piraty: **NO**, /usr/bin/python is not managed by the alternatives system in Debian. |
| 13:29.38 | Piraty | interesting |
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| 13:30.01 | avu | Piraty: it's in package python-minimal |
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| 13:30.17 | Piraty | i assume python is a meta package depending on python2 currently, which will be advanced to depend on python3 once py2 is dead in debian-stable ? |
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| 13:30.33 | Piraty | because python implies python2 currently |
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| 13:30.57 | unborn | Lope: man it did import old virtualbox vdi.. THANK YOU! |
| 13:32.06 | BCMM | Piraty: try installing `python` not `python2`, basically |
| 13:32.20 | Piraty | will that be forward-compatible? |
| 13:32.30 | BCMM | installing the "python" package gets you the python command, oddly enough |
| 13:32.32 | Piraty | i.e. it installed python2 in debian11,12,13 still? |
| 13:32.45 | BCMM | Piraty: no. python2 is going to die at some point. |
| 13:32.52 | ratrace | some point = 2020 |
| 13:32.54 | greycat | There is a "remove py2" transition going on in bullseye. |
| 13:32.56 | themill | the intention is that there will be no package called "python" in the next release. |
| 13:33.04 | ratrace | no mas python zwei for Bullseye! |
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| 13:33.23 | BCMM | Piraty: python2's upstream EOL is very soon, and efforts are underway to remove it from debian, as it will have no security support |
| 13:33.37 | Piraty | i know that it's EOL, hence my questions |
| 13:33.59 | BCMM | Piraty: no, it is not going to be indefinitely included in future debian versions after it is EOL |
| 13:34.10 | Piraty | that was not was i asked |
| 13:35.01 | ratrace | likely "python" will just depend on python3 and pull that in |
| 13:35.07 | BCMM | Piraty: <greycat> There is a "remove py2" transition going on in bullseye. |
| 13:35.12 | Piraty | it's a design flaw to not put the python symlink under alternative management |
| 13:35.19 | greycat | Piraty: no, it's not. |
| 13:35.25 | ratrace | Piraty: it's not, see PEP-394 |
| 13:35.32 | BCMM | Piraty: that implies that python2 will not be included in debian 11 |
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| 13:35.44 | BCMM | and if it's not included, the "python" package obviously can't depend on it |
| 13:35.58 | greycat | 09:32 themill> the intention is that there will be no package called "python" in the next release. |
| 13:36.06 | BCMM | Piraty: i'm not sure what you intended to ask, but i'm trying to answer <Piraty> i.e. it installed python2 in debian11,12,13 still? |
| 13:36.26 | ratrace | Piraty: this is not (just) Debian packaging decision. Python mandates what {/usr}/bin/python is meant to be. Currently with PEP-394. |
| 13:36.50 | ratrace | also don't conflate path to `python` binary and what it represents, with package name. |
| 13:37.30 | Piraty | ratrace: so if PEP-394 mandates python2 to live behind /usr/bin/python, why not setup that symlink then |
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| 13:37.45 | ratrace | Piraty: it IS symlinked |
| 13:37.51 | greycat | Your broken Docker image is not our concern. Fix it. |
| 13:37.51 | Piraty | not with python2 package |
| 13:38.11 | ratrace | Piraty: because there is no /bin/python without python2 package |
| 13:38.28 | Piraty | indeed |
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| 13:38.39 | ratrace | Piraty: again, /bin/python may not point to anything other than python2, so what's the purpose of it without python2 present? |
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| 13:38.49 | greycat | ratrace: near as I can tell, they're using a broken Docker image which is missing that symlink, and they are sitting here arguing about it for an hour instead of just creating it. |
| 13:39.00 | ratrace | greycat: agreed |
| 13:39.11 | unborn | Lope: i have storage parameter error 40960m requested allocation > 9154m available... got more then 100Gib on disk |
| 13:39.36 | Piraty | i'm trying to help here and report a possible inconsistency |
| 13:39.47 | Piraty | won't do again, promise |
| 13:40.08 | BCMM | Piraty: you installed a package called python2 and got a command called python2. if you install the package called python, you'll get a command called python. |
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| 13:40.20 | BCMM | it's not particularly inconsistant |
| 13:41.00 | ratrace | BCMM: no, wait, what? |
| 13:41.13 | BCMM | ratrace: could you elaborate on that? |
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| 13:41.27 | unborn | Lope: Unable to complete install: 'unsupported configuration: CPU mode 'custom' for x86_64 kvm domain on x86_64 host is not supported by hypervisor' |
| 13:41.33 | unborn | whats that? |
| 13:41.35 | BCMM | ratrace: python2 depends directly on python2-minimal |
| 13:41.41 | ratrace | BCMM: doesn't {/usr}/bin/python exist even with just python2.7 package installed? |
| 13:42.10 | BCMM | ratrace: python depends on python-minimal (the package that provides the /usr/bin/python symlink) |
| 13:42.17 | greycat | /usr/bin/python, /usr/bin/python2 and /usr/bin/python2.7 come from the package named "python-minimal" in buster. |
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| 13:42.32 | BCMM | greycat: no... |
| 13:42.33 | avu | greycat: no |
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| 13:42.37 | ratrace | BCMM: yes the minimal dependency is fine, but I'm talking about isntalling "python" vs "python2" or "python2.7" packages |
| 13:42.55 | greycat | I just *literally* *checked* and you want to argue with me about it?! |
| 13:43.01 | avu | python2-minimal has /usr/bin/python |
| 13:43.09 | avu | python2-minimal has /usr/bin/python2 |
| 13:43.10 | BCMM | greycat: /usr/bin/python is a symlink provided by python-minimal. /usr/bin/python2 is a binary provided by python2-minimal |
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| 13:43.14 | avu | python-minimal has /usr/bin/python |
| 13:43.14 | greycat | Oh wait, python2.7-minimal for/usr/bin/python2.7 |
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| 13:43.24 | themill | greycat: python2 is not from python-minimal |
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| 13:43.27 | BCMM | greycat: i suggest you check on a debian system, or fix the debian system you checked on. |
| 13:43.34 | greycat | grr... too many *-minimals |
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| 13:43.42 | themill | python2-minimal: /usr/bin/python2 |
| 13:43.49 | ratrace | BCMM: so my question was, you need the meta package to get the "just" python symlink? |
| 13:44.06 | ratrace | as in, it won't be installed with "regular" python2.7 (or -minimal) package, no metapackages? |
| 13:44.10 | greycat | My eyes are not good enough to immediately see that there are three *different* things named python*-minimal in the output results |
| 13:44.22 | ratrace | I can't test myself right now... |
| 13:44.33 | ratrace | and apt-file aint' helpful :) |
| 13:44.33 | BCMM | ratrace: yup. it's not an alternatives thing, it's just a regular old symlink owned by the python-minimal package |
| 13:44.42 | BCMM | ratrace: https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/python-minimal/filelist |
| 13:45.03 | ratrace | BCMM: I see. Now, that IS confusing. |
| 13:45.31 | greycat | No, what's confusing is that there are three different packages named python*-minimal all installed at the same time. |
| 13:47.26 | BCMM | i mean, if you just install the metapackage with *the same name* as the command you want, it does the right thing |
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| 13:47.59 | BCMM | the details behind it are elaborate, because python compatibility is elaborate, but they can be safely ignored by the user |
| 13:48.10 | ratrace | BTW... I rescind all I said about PEP-394, it seems it got changed since 2011 and now `python` MAY refer to pyhton3 ..... *flips table* *goes away yelling and grumbling about revisions of existing PEPs instead of having new PEPs that explicitly disable/outdate older ones* |
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| 13:51.25 | BCMM | in any case it's still highly unlikely that a script requiring python 3 would start #!/usr/bin/python |
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| 13:51.45 | greycat | Such a script will not work on Debian. |
| 13:51.52 | ratrace | yeah it's supposed to call up "env python" |
| 13:52.05 | greycat | "env python3" would be better, right? |
| 13:52.18 | Habbie | yes |
| 13:52.19 | ratrace | yea that's what I mean |
| 13:52.27 | BCMM | greycat: such a script will fail almost everywhere else, too. which is why people don't do that. |
| 13:52.50 | ratrace | it's made even more complicated by the fact there's no `python` restrictions in virtualenvs, or at least there wasn't before when `python` was supposed to be strictly just 2.x |
| 13:52.52 | Habbie | i haven't read the entire backlog, but my position has been for a while that scripts should use 'env python2' or 'env python3' or be 100% explicit |
| 13:53.05 | BCMM | ratrace: no, `env python` is still inappropriate for a script that requires python3 |
| 13:53.33 | themill | unless you're on arch and you don't care about what breakage you force onto everyone else |
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| 13:54.31 | ratrace | BCMM: I no longer know really, the PEP changed and now it may mean anything :) |
| 13:54.54 | ratrace | BCMM: it actually suggests that in a virtualenv, "env python" might invoke python3 if the venv is for python3 |
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| 13:55.46 | ratrace | "For scripts that are only expected to be run in an activated virtual environment, shebang lines can be written as #!/usr/bin/env python, as this instructs the script to respect the active virtual environment" |
| 13:56.21 | Habbie | yes, my py3 venv has 'python' symlinked to 'python3' |
| 13:56.23 | ratrace | which means the version is implied through creation of the venv and the programmer knows, implicitly, the version, which is contrary to PEP-20 :) |
| 13:56.24 | Habbie | and that's not something i did explicitly |
| 13:57.15 | ratrace | gods I hate Python these days.... |
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| 13:57.49 | themill | blame Arch not Python for that mess |
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| 13:58.18 | ratrace | themill: the mess is endorsed by PEP 394 now it seems. |
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| 13:59.07 | themill | s/endorse/some attempt to create something that might not be completely broken/ |
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| 14:00.07 | ratrace | the sooner we move to python3 only and forget 2.x ever existed, the better. but then we'll gleefully embrace other problems like point release.... because damn, girl, u wants some asyncs? you MUST require 3.7 or no python for u! |
| 14:00.34 | ratrace | so now, point release will become a..... point..... of contention between featuresets. |
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| 14:01.25 | ratrace | (yeah it was like that even before, for 3.x and features, async does nothing new in that department) |
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| 14:04.32 | ratrace | thought I could run python2.7 free until I needed Inkscape on my Buster. gah. |
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| 14:09.21 | horribleprogram | So my Vim plugin is starting to get complicated, |
| 14:09.32 | horribleprogram | sshing into my Debian laptop is the normal workflow for me |
| 14:09.49 | ratrace | horrible. |
| 14:10.06 | horribleprogram | ratrace: oh great you're here, we were talking about this yesterday |
| 14:10.11 | horribleprogram | I set up MPD and everything |
| 14:10.32 | ratrace | you'll have to remind me, I don't remember where I was this morning even.... |
| 14:10.34 | horribleprogram | but I would love for my music to be played on my computer I use to ssh into my Debian |
| 14:10.43 | ratrace | (probably in #debian, but I don't remember) |
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| 14:11.57 | horribleprogram | Basically, how do I play music on a remote host that gets sent back to my client |
| 14:12.22 | horribleprogram | now the MPD thing is quite elaborate, and allows for these sort of client connections |
| 14:13.39 | Ede|Popede | isn't it also a server you could connect to with a streamable client? |
| 14:14.01 | horribleprogram | sure, I'm not entirely sure how this thing works |
| 14:14.09 | horribleprogram | the user manual is pretty bad tbh |
| 14:14.32 | horribleprogram | Ede|Popede: I'm trying to write a Vim plugin that allows me to switch songs, display songs, etc |
| 14:14.33 | wrksx | hum, I have a cron job running every hour, but it's written like */60 instead of just * |
| 14:14.57 | wrksx | Is there any benefit to this? I wrote that years ago and I have no clue why I wrote it htis way |
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| 14:16.50 | greycat | */60 is not valid in the hours field. Is that maybe in the minutes field instead? |
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| 14:17.30 | greycat | Just show the actual crontab line. |
| 14:17.44 | Habbie | */60 doesn't make much sense for minutes either |
| 14:18.41 | wrksx | yeah sorry it's the minute field |
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| 14:19.08 | wrksx | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:19.24 | greycat | That runs it every minute. That sounds horribly inefficient. |
| 14:19.29 | Habbie | greycat, huh? |
| 14:19.32 | Habbie | greycat, why would it do that? |
| 14:19.37 | dka | how to install ".AppImage" on Debian? |
| 14:19.41 | greycat | or... am I reading it wrong? |
| 14:19.53 | Habbie | greycat, it would run it every 60th minute |
| 14:19.57 | wrksx | I confirm it runs every hour |
| 14:19.58 | Habbie | greycat, which in my mind is not a time that exists |
| 14:20.01 | diogenes_ | dka, you don't install it, you just make it executable and double click. |
| 14:20.09 | Habbie | wrksx, sounds like undefined behaviour gone lucky |
| 14:20.16 | wrksx | right =) |
| 14:20.28 | Ede|Popede | horribleprogram: https://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/home-music-server-with-mpd/ looks like it should basically work, has a link to mpd's wiki, client list. includes web clients, so it should "only" be the usage of the correct parameters. no idea what it uses for commands, HTTP header, JSON, XML, plain text... but i guess it sends back the usual web stuff, since it also can serve covers. |
| 14:20.30 | wrksx | So basically using * is better |
| 14:20.35 | Habbie | no |
| 14:20.39 | Habbie | * would run it every minute |
| 14:20.39 | wrksx | I mean, is a defined behavior |
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| 14:20.55 | Habbie | yes |
| 14:21.03 | greycat | If you want it to run once per hour, *choose* which minute it will run, and use that number in the minutes field. |
| 14:21.12 | Habbie | ah, one definition is 'x/60 has a remainder of zero' |
| 14:21.14 | Habbie | which is true for x=0 |
| 14:21.17 | greycat | E.g. "5 * * * *" to run at 12:05, 13:05, etc. |
| 14:21.17 | wrksx | Damn, right, so what is the difined behavior? */0? The 0th minute? |
| 14:21.44 | Habbie | wrksx, just 0 |
| 14:21.51 | horribleprogram | Ede|Popede: yeah I set up the proper /etc/mpd.conf file, even a bit further in the process |
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| 14:22.04 | wrksx | Habbie: oh why am I making it so complicated |
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| 14:22.10 | horribleprogram | Ede|Popede: so I gotta learn how alsa vs pulseaudio works |
| 14:23.17 | horribleprogram | Ede|Popede: it's a nice project because I've never really dealt with audio, how it works, etc |
| 14:23.27 | Ede|Popede | horribleprogram: i'd say more "how do i tell mpd what to do using HTTP and how do i grab its data", though for the latter i'm not sure if it wouldn't embed (optionally at least) things into its stream (i remember i may have some mp3 here with an embedded cover) |
| 14:23.39 | wrksx | thanks Habbie and greycat |
| 14:24.08 | Ede|Popede | indeed. and using a webbrowser (espacially those modern days monsters) just to listen to music is a mega overkill. |
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| 14:27.01 | unborn | back from reboot.. whoever said qemu is best - was freaking right.. I love it! |
| 14:27.09 | Ede|Popede | horribleprogram: https://strobelstefan.org/?p=4244 mentions controlling mpd using a web browser. at least as the final option you could try this first and look into the traffic, at least the network tab of the devtools. i'd guess it uses HTTP POST for commands and receives some JSON or XML or so |
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| 14:51.35 | graphicsv | Is it safe to replace Mesa and vulkan drivers with custom packages of latest drivers available ? :D |
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| 14:54.26 | jelly | graphicsv: if your custom packages are built to use same paths as debian's, it should be |
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| 14:55.54 | graphicsv | jelly: wow. seriously? that's quite fun. I was thinking about packaging latest version of Mesa and Vulkan SDK on Debian buster. What'd say? |
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| 14:56.14 | graphicsv | I mean, I'm currently doing graphics development so it'd be nice for me to test latest features |
| 14:56.17 | greycat | jelly: the question wasn't actually "is it safe to..." but "how do I..." |
| 14:56.40 | jelly | oh, sorry, my mind-reading cap isn't on |
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| 15:03.51 | graphicsv | greycat: Actually I wanted to know if it was safe |
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| 15:05.57 | vinod | Hi. I have a canon Image Class M241d printer. IT's scanner isnt working .. Kindly help.EVen Simple Sane, xsane has been installed, still not detecting |
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| 15:06.58 | FartBot00002 | mquin: BASTARD SHIT FUCK COCKSUCKER PISS ASS NIGGER FAGGOT CUNT CUNT |
| 15:07.02 | jelly | graphicsv: well you can break your 3D stack and be unable to log in via GUI, but nothing else would break |
| 15:07.03 | FartBot00002 | FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK |
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| 15:07.10 | FartBot00002 | mquin is a faggot |
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| 15:07.47 | jhutchins_wk | vinod: There should be log entries either in /var/log/messages or dmesg showing why it's failing to find it. |
| 15:08.18 | vinod | I haven't checked it. how to check? kindly guide |
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| 15:08.57 | jhutchins_wk | vinod: less /var/log/messages, dmesg | less |
| 15:09.15 | BCMM | vinod: this is just plugged in with USB right? it's not the network version of that device? |
| 15:09.33 | vinod | i have connected with USB |
| 15:10.30 | greycat | Basic guide to reading large log files with less: Shift-G jumps to the bottom. b goes back a page. Space goes forward a page. 1 Shift-G jumps to the top. / lets you search forward (downward) for a string or regex. n repeats a search. Shift-N repeats the search in the opposite direction. ? lets you searhc backwards (upwards). |
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| 15:11.28 | MQUlN | hello i am mquin and i am a stupid annoying buzzard |
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| 15:11.33 | MQUlN | hello i am mquin and i am a stupid annoying buzzard |
| 15:11.43 | MQUlN | i am mquin and i eat my shit |
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| 15:11.52 | BCMM | or, like, pgup, pgdn, home, end... |
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| 15:12.11 | Habbie | greycat, '1 g' also jumps to the top! |
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| 15:13.22 | avu | greycat: you just helped the spammer and kickbanned the person they were insulting? :) |
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| 15:14.30 | vinod | its a long list of messages jhutchins_wk . Sorry Don't know how to copy it :-( |
| 15:14.48 | jelly | avu: they can rejoin the channel if they really want to |
| 15:14.52 | wrksx | Is there a crontab command to list/edit crontabs of /etc/cron.d |
| 15:14.55 | vinod | BCMM, yes i have connected with USB |
| 15:14.58 | jelly | avu: just kicked, not banned |
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| 15:18.26 | SaveTheChildren | mquin (the freenode staffer) is running a massive server farm at 208.67.222.220 and we need to all DDoS it in the name of justice. |
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| 15:19.26 | Haohmaru | my screen gets locked up after about 10 minutes, screensaver settings are "Disabled" .. wut's going on here? |
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| 15:29.10 | abrotman | wonders how one IP constitutes a massive server farm .. |
| 15:30.03 | aZz7eCh | hi #debian - what would be the easiest way to check sshfs mount is definitely mounted properly before rsync con job runs? sometimes (rarely) the file server may have been disconnected - powerout/cable knocked out - who knows what reason, but it causes loss of connection on my desktop here. I have to rerun my script to reconnect the sshfs connection. if i dont.. i ened up with my system trying to back up to /mnt/sshfs_folder* which is local, |
| 15:30.04 | aZz7eCh | instead of remote obviously. |
| 15:30.34 | greycat | there is a "mountpoint" command that will tell you whether a directory is a mount point |
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| 15:31.34 | unborn | if anything I would get detached as usually. there is an multi point command that will let you know if you in or not. |
| 15:31.40 | Ede|Popede | Haohmaru: do you use a DE? it may have power management settings |
| 15:32.03 | unborn | damn lag.. Im like 3 seconds behind.. worthless to reply |
| 15:32.05 | unborn | no? |
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| 15:32.53 | unborn | 6 seconds.. I wonder why is that? |
| 15:33.47 | aZz7eCh | greycat, so, change my cron jobs to running a bash script instead that calls rsync, using mountpoint command as a condition ... k |
| 15:33.58 | aZz7eCh | thanks |
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| 15:37.06 | jelly | aZz7eCh: sshfs can be unreliable. I had to do a more elaborate wrapper to do rsync from remote sftp to local dir. http://paste.debian.net/1111700/ |
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| 15:40.31 | aZz7eCh | jelly, unreliable, with the mountpoint command you mean? |
| 15:40.40 | jelly | aZz7eCh: sorry, last 4 lines were missing. http://paste.debian.net/1111704/ |
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| 15:41.33 | jelly | aZz7eCh: I did not know of the mountpoint command. Nevertheless there are 2-3 different failure modes. |
| 15:43.14 | aZz7eCh | alright thanks for the info. I've downloaded ya script so if I end up facing troubles with my first method I will refer back to your way |
| 15:43.21 | aZz7eCh | appreciated. |
| 15:44.23 | aZz7eCh | ((never had an issue with sshfs connection - by far the fastest way of connecting and always been reliable. only issues i have encountered are when actual power out takes the server offline or cable gets knocked out for extended period of time. obvious reasons. |
| 15:45.07 | greycat | Oh, if the symptom is "it's mounted but nonresponsive because server is down", then mountpoint probably won't handle that. |
| 15:45.21 | greycat | In cases like that, NFS is even worse. |
| 15:45.24 | aZz7eCh | greycat, it does i've just tested it. |
| 15:45.36 | greycat | So it's being unmounted on the client? Good. |
| 15:46.30 | aZz7eCh | mountpoint shows it as NOT a mountpoint if the sshfs connection is no longer existant. and if i rerun my script to mount it - it doesn't return an error like "already mounted/in use" or anything, it just does it |
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| 15:46.50 | aZz7eCh | so i presume my system is detecting the drop pretty quickly |
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| 15:53.05 | Haohmaru | Ede|Popede yes, LXDE plus some xfce things |
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| 15:53.34 | Haohmaru | in xfce4-settings-manager, screensaver settings are the same "disabled" |
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| 15:54.26 | Ede|Popede | lxde PLUS xfce? no idea what effects this may have. one single daemon running with the command to turn of the screen after 10 minutes is enough. |
| 15:55.16 | Ede|Popede | in xfce's power manager window 3 of 4 tabs have some relevant settings. |
| 15:55.35 | Haohmaru | there is also another little weirdness that might be related.. when i suspend, it sorta goes into screenlock mode + turns off the monitor, doesn't actually suspend |
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| 15:55.58 | Haohmaru | and when i log in to unlock the screen - there is yet another "logout" dialog left there |
| 15:57.12 | Lope | I notice some bridges are named br0 br1 etc. and others are named vmbr0 vmbr1 etc |
| 15:57.33 | Lope | Do I need to install anything special to use names like vmbr0 vs the usual br0? other than bridge-utils |
| 15:58.29 | humpled | ime how well suspend and hibernate work is really dependent on the hardware |
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| 16:01.36 | colo-work | Lope, you don't even need bridge-utils; iproute2 can do everything to set up bridges. and bridge names are arbitrary. |
| 16:02.15 | jelly | it can do everything to _set up_ but can't do everything to answer "which ifaces belong to bridge br0" |
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| 16:04.21 | Lope | colo-work, thanks |
| 16:04.55 | Lope | can I erase /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf and let debian auto-detect my software raid arrays? |
| 16:05.19 | Lope | erase meaning delete |
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| 16:06.42 | teclo | hi, back after some time... for my firewall rules on Debian 10.1, the wiki says I should do iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.rules ... but where do I put "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" then ? |
| 16:06.57 | jelly | Lope: you can run /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf and overwrite the current file with that output |
| 16:06.57 | teclo | I can't put it in /etc/iptables.rules I think |
| 16:07.40 | jelly | Lope: and that's basically a wrapper for "mdadm --examine --scan" |
| 16:08.40 | Ede|Popede | Haohmaru: why do you even mix 2 DEs? do you really need something from both of them? you could switch to a text terminal and see what's running inside your login manager tree. or check all the relevant programs from BOTH DEs. one by one, tab by tab, setting by setting. |
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| 16:11.28 | petn-randall | teclo: You can set those vars via config with the package procps, I think. |
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| 16:14.02 | Lope | jelly, can a system boot with no mdadm.conf? |
| 16:14.23 | Lope | jelly, I've got a raid array that I'm going to remove from a newly debootstrapped system |
| 16:15.14 | jelly | Lope: depends, is your / filesystem on a md array |
| 16:15.33 | Lope | the root is on a luks which is on a md array |
| 16:15.36 | Lope | jelly, ^ |
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| 16:16.02 | Lope | crypttab points to the raid array's UUID |
| 16:16.41 | jelly | Lope: then you'll meed a valid mdadm.conf in your initramfs, and that file comes from the system when initramfs is generated |
| 16:16.45 | jelly | need* |
| 16:17.01 | Lope | I see, thanks |
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| 16:22.58 | Lope | ratrace, my first remote FDE debootstrap install worked! :) Glad I tested on a laptop locally first. It went smooth as butter. |
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| 16:33.38 | no_gravity | Do you guys know if Selenium for Python can be installed via apt-get or if one *has* to use pip? |
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| 16:34.05 | Habbie | i see python3-selenium in apt |
| 16:34.07 | Habbie | but |
| 16:34.12 | Habbie | i strongly recommend a virtualenv with pip |
| 16:34.28 | no_gravity | Habbie: Why? |
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| 16:37.44 | jelly | no_gravity: it's the easiest way to avoid doing pip install as root |
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| 16:38.02 | teclo | damnit, it's two hours I'm trying to write the firewall rules |
| 16:38.11 | no_gravity | jelly: But I now will use "apt install python3-selenium". |
| 16:38.12 | teclo | my packets still won't go through |
| 16:38.23 | teclo | I've rules for INPUT OUTPUT FORWARD |
| 16:38.26 | Habbie | no_gravity, the 'why' has been answered in #python i see |
| 16:38.27 | jelly | ah. Okay. Perhaps selenium is a fast-moving target. |
| 16:38.29 | teclo | enabled ipv4 routing |
| 16:38.43 | teclo | do I have to add stuff like masquerading, snat, dnat ? |
| 16:38.59 | teclo | I followed what's on the debian wiki |
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| 16:40.01 | no_gravity | Jesus, "apt-get install python3-selenium" wants to instal 760 MB... |
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| 16:41.14 | no_gravity | python3-selenium seems to install chromium. Why? I don't need that. |
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| 16:42.30 | greycat | ,depends python3-selenium |
| 16:42.31 | judd | Package python3-selenium in buster/amd64 -- depends: python3-urllib3, python3:any. |
| 16:42.41 | greycat | ,depends python3-urllib3 |
| 16:42.42 | judd | Package python3-urllib3 in buster/amd64 -- depends: python3:any, python3-six. |
| 16:42.56 | greycat | ... well, you can continue that in /msg judd, or with apt-cache show |
| 16:44.17 | no_gravity | "apt install firefoxdriver" gives me "Package firefoxdriver is not available, but is referred to by another package". |
| 16:44.22 | no_gravity | How do I find that other package? |
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| 16:50.00 | maxmoon | Hi, I am looking for a "ready-to-use" Linux distribution, which is minimalistic, privacy friendly and can run on older netbooks/notebooks. I only want to change the window manager to i3, but the whole system should be running out of the box, like audio should work, usb should mount automatically (support for most file systems), etc. Any idea? Thanks for your help. |
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| 16:51.24 | cinesc | hi is this the correct way to install a bios update? |
| 16:51.27 | cinesc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CGrawsd_TA |
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| 16:53.04 | greycat | Well, the title of the youtube video seems to indicate that it's not p0rn at least. |
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| 16:53.15 | greycat | Other than that, I don't know how you think anyone here is qualified to critique it. |
| 16:53.55 | jelly | cinesc: something like that worked for my Thinkpad T420s, yes |
| 16:54.12 | cinesc | without any exception? |
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| 16:54.27 | jelly | what kind of exception are you expecting |
| 16:55.16 | jelly | the basic steps are "get .iso" "grab bootable floppy from iso" "write a usb stick" "boot usb stick" |
| 16:55.33 | cinesc | Such as that things might install the wrong way and it makes the computer unuseable |
| 16:56.12 | jelly | presumably you also have a thinkpad, and you download the correct .iso for your machine type / model |
| 16:56.51 | jelly | if you boot the wrong image, anything might happen |
| 16:57.50 | jelly | cinesc: some recent models can also be flashed via fwupd |
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| 16:58.02 | jelly | cinesc: what's your hardware? |
| 16:58.13 | cinesc | t430s |
| 16:58.52 | cinesc | uses an i5 3320m which is a shame you can´t swap out |
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| 17:01.12 | jelly | then either burn the .iso to a cd or dvd, or use something like the method from the video |
| 17:01.43 | jelly | only T460 / T460s and newer seem to have firmware in fwupd database |
| 17:01.56 | jelly | there's also ##ibmthinkpad channel |
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| 17:04.18 | ratrace | Lope: yay! |
| 17:04.24 | no_gravity | Anybody? How can this thing be installed? https://packages.debian.org/buster/firefoxdriver |
| 17:05.16 | jelly | no_gravity: how does installing it the usual way fail? |
| 17:05.29 | jelly | no_gravity: which debian release are you using? |
| 17:05.34 | no_gravity | jelly: Buster |
| 17:05.41 | no_gravity | jelly: Its not in my repos. |
| 17:05.48 | jelly | ,v firefoxdriver |
| 17:05.50 | judd | Package: firefoxdriver on amd64 -- stretch/non-free: 2.53.2-3; buster/non-free: 3.14.1-1; sid/non-free: 3.14.1-1 |
| 17:05.54 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 17:05.54 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
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| 17:06.06 | jelly | no_gravity: apparently it's not free software |
| 17:06.08 | no_gravity | jelly: I see. Let me try that ... |
| 17:06.39 | no_gravity | On the other hand ... |
| 17:06.49 | no_gravity | I can just keep loading the driver from mozilla directly. |
| 17:07.02 | no_gravity | I think I prefer that over changing my sources. |
| 17:08.15 | maxmoon | Is Debian a "ready-to-use" system? Can it be used as a workstation after installation? |
| 17:08.29 | greycat | Depends on the hardware. |
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| 17:08.34 | diogenes_ | yes |
| 17:09.11 | greycat | If it's a desktop system, onboard ethernet, motherboard video chipset, about 3-6 years old, there is a very good chance it'll work out of the box if you started with the nonfree firmware installer. |
| 17:09.24 | jelly | maxmoon: if you're very very careful to choose hardware that's 100% supported by the versions of software in Debian release you're installing, yes |
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| 17:09.39 | maxmoon | cool, thanks a lot :) |
| 17:09.46 | greycat | If it's a laptop, if it uses USB wifi, if it has an nvidia card, or if it's got a hybrid nvidia+intel video combo, you may have to struggle. |
| 17:09.53 | jelly | amd GPUs will need firmware |
| 17:10.08 | greycat | I'm hoping the nonfree firmware installer has the GPU firmware. |
| 17:10.27 | jelly | right, that helps things |
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| 17:15.08 | Miles8of9 | need this package for debian 10.... https://packages.debian.org/stretch/nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver --> https://packages.debian.org/buster/nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver NOT FOUND |
| 17:15.27 | Miles8of9 | it was the only one that supported my video card! |
| 17:16.00 | greycat | ,checkbackport nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver |
| 17:16.01 | judd | Backporting package nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver in sidâbuster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster. |
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| 17:16.12 | greycat | it's in sid, and judd thinks you can backport it |
| 17:16.43 | Miles8of9 | i'm using stable... sid is unstable |
| 17:16.56 | greycat | !simple sid backport |
| 17:16.56 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 17:16.57 | Miles8of9 | should i migrate tu unstable? |
| 17:17.10 | Tinerion | Hi ! I have a problem with a package used by my scan/printer and nammed brscan3. When I want to install it, it say "The package brscan3 must be reinstall, but it's impossible to find archive", and when I want to uninstall it completely, it say "brscan3 is in incoherent state, you should reinstall it before try to delete it". |
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| 17:18.32 | Miles8of9 | debian-backports is a repository? |
| 17:18.56 | greycat | Yes, but this package isn't *in* it. I checked. That's when I checked whether it could *be* backported by an ordinary person. Judd said yes. |
| 17:20.02 | Miles8of9 | ah ok |
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| 17:22.55 | jhutchins_wk | Tinerion: How did you initially install the package? |
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| 17:24.54 | Miles8of9 | i'm trying to understand... https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=buster-backports§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver |
| 17:25.01 | Miles8of9 | there is no such package |
| 17:25.09 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 17:25.23 | greycat | This is the query I sent to judd privately |
| 17:25.29 | greycat | judd v nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver |
| 17:25.30 | judd | Package: nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 304.137-0~deb8u1; stretch-backports/non-free: 304.137-5~bpo9+1; stretch/non-free: 304.137-5~deb9u1; sid/non-free: 304.137-7 |
| 17:25.40 | greycat | As you can see in judd's answer, IT IS NOT IN BUSTER-BACKPORTS. |
| 17:25.53 | greycat | So, the next thing to try is |
| 17:25.59 | greycat | ,checkbackport nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver |
| 17:26.00 | judd | Backporting package nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver in sidâbuster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster. |
| 17:26.03 | Tinerion | jhutchins_wk with a file downloaded on the official website of my printer, and which don't seem to work, I was thinking that the installation has totally failed, but it's seem to have fail during the installation. |
| 17:26.13 | greycat | And voila, judd says it can BE BACKPORTED BY AN END USER. |
| 17:26.29 | greycat | Whether that's really truly true, who the hell knows, but it's what the bot said, so it's worth a try if you need it. |
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| 17:28.52 | cinesc | is geteltorico and genisoimage the same thing or not? |
| 17:28.58 | diogenes_ | maybe to downduad the driver from nvidia website? if the standard way won't work. |
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| 17:29.19 | Miles8of9 | no, i don't understand.. it's not in buster-backports, ok, it's on sid, jessie and stretch, so if i have buster i can't install it... right? |
| 17:29.27 | greycat | using upstream's video drivers is generally NOT recommended |
| 17:29.45 | Miles8of9 | what does it mean that i can backport it?? Oo |
| 17:29.47 | greycat | Miles8of9: you can CREATE your own backport of it |
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| 17:29.57 | greycat | Maybe. Probably. |
| 17:30.04 | Miles8of9 | mm.... grab sources, compile and create deb package? |
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| 17:30.10 | greycat | !simple sid backport |
| 17:30.10 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 17:30.14 | greycat | Follow THOSE instructions. |
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| 17:31.05 | karlpinc | Miles8of9: And if you have questions while following instructions, ask here. |
| 17:31.21 | Miles8of9 | !simple deb-src sid |
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| 17:31.40 | greycat | without the word "simple" |
| 17:31.51 | indomitable | I prefer 7of9 still. |
| 17:32.01 | Miles8of9 | ahah ok |
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| 17:37.58 | Ether_Man | Anyone know of anything similar to OpenMediaVault, but is more, shall we call it native to Debian? As in, using debian's own repos and updated together with that, rather than use its own thing completely using OldStable and OldOldStable? |
| 17:38.26 | jhutchins_wk | Tinerion: Unfortunately, the only way you're going to be able to get support for that is from the manufacturer, and they often aren't helpful with linux. |
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| 17:40.31 | Tinerion | jhutchins_wk okay, there is no way to uninstall a package in this situation? It's not important if I don't install it, I just want to delete it |
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| 17:41.30 | karlpinc | Tinerion: That's what I was thinking. There must be a way to delete it. (I don't suppose there's a ppd file or something like that hidden inside?) |
| 17:41.43 | jhutchins_wk | Tinerion: It's not a standard debian package, we can't know what it's done. |
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| 17:42.10 | jhutchins_wk | Tinerion: what kind of file was the thing you downloaded? |
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| 17:42.22 | Mathisen | Ether_Man, well you can just setup what ever services you need on a regular debian.. |
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| 17:42.55 | Ether_Man | Mathisen, right, but that would not be very similar to OMV :) |
| 17:43.32 | Mathisen | well it would. what is so special about OMV ? just pre configured services with a web gui |
| 17:43.32 | cinesc | is geteltorico and genisoimage the same thing or not? |
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| 17:44.16 | Tinerion | karlpinc no ppd file here :/ jhutchins_wk it's a .deb file |
| 17:44.36 | Ether_Man | Mathisen, not quite. It gives a unified configuration space for multiple services. Like I can as an example configure both NFS and SMB from a single place. |
| 17:44.36 | karlpinc | cinesc: You asked already. It's polite to wait longer. I don't see geteltorico anywhere. (But I'm running stretch.) |
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| 17:45.24 | greycat | It's also polite to fix your typos and to expand upon your initial question to reflect the knowledge you have gained while waiting. |
| 17:45.29 | jhutchins_wk | Ether_Man: Sure you can. The command line. |
| 17:45.35 | greycat | I'm guessing you made a typo from the original "El Torito". |
| 17:45.35 | karlpinc | Tinerion: Take a look at the apt logs. And look at the package itself. .deb files have a list of stuff that's installed. I think. Which means it could be un-installed manually in theory. Your real problem is what it's done to apt's database. I don't suppose you do backups? That'd be the easy answer. |
| 17:45.41 | jhutchins_wk | Ether_Man: It's a matter of editing text files. |
| 17:46.21 | Ether_Man | jhutchins_wk, that's not a unified place as that's still many different text files. |
| 17:46.36 | cinesc | was looking at a page where it tells you to install geteltorico cli by using a command containing genisoimage instead |
| 17:47.23 | karlpinc | cinesc: What are you really trying to do? |
| 17:47.25 | greycat | Again with the "torico". Be sure of the spelling of things. |
| 17:47.37 | cinesc | https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/update-lenovo-bios-from-linux-usb-stick-pen/ |
| 17:48.02 | greycat | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Torito_(CD-ROM_standard) |
| 17:48.11 | cinesc | I probably wrote wrong |
| 17:48.26 | Mathisen | Ether_Man, i see, well i would still argue you can do that on a regular debian :) i do understand your point im not trying to be smart ass here.. for example webmin alterntives like https://github.com/ajenti/ajenti or something simular would do kinda the same. |
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| 17:48.48 | Mathisen | Ether_Man, i have no clue myself what is "safe" to use these days for that tho |
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| 17:49.22 | karlpinc | cinesc: So, you want to update your bios from Debian? |
| 17:49.26 | jhutchins_wk | Tinerion: I would try purging it with apt, aptitude, and apt-get, possibly try removing it with dpkg itself. |
| 17:49.46 | jhutchins_wk | Tinerion: You can also uncompress the .deb and see what's in it, look for components, see what it does. |
| 17:50.06 | Ether_Man | Mathisen, that Ajenti looks like just the thing. Thanks :) |
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| 17:50.36 | Tinerion | karlpinc jhutchins_wk Okay, i'll test all of this, thanks a lot :) |
| 17:51.18 | karlpinc | Tinerion: Yes, follow jhutchins_wk's advice. (I thought you'd already tried and failed to remove the package with apt's tools.) |
| 17:51.31 | jhutchins_wk | Tinerion: There are a lot of suggestions on the web, and you can check the manpages for those tools to see if they have a "--force" option. |
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| 17:52.03 | wasamasa | cinesc: one is the name of a package, the other a name of a command |
| 17:52.17 | wasamasa | cinesc: the package doesn't need to have the same name as the command it provides |
| 17:52.24 | karlpinc | Tinerion: It is always possible that by opening up the vendor's .deb you might find something inside that works. (But I'd steer clear of executable code.) |
| 17:52.47 | jhutchins_wk | !force remove |
| 17:52.47 | dpkg | [force remove] 'dpkg -P package-name'; if no joy, 'dpkg -L package-name' this will give you a list of files to delete when the next step is done. Go to /var/lib/dpkg/info and 'rm package-name.postrm' && 'apt-get remove --purge package-name'. Remove listed files (dpkg -L) and report a bug if it is the case. |
| 17:52.52 | cinesc | ok that makes more sense now |
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| 17:55.49 | jhutchins_wk | Tinerion: This kind of thing happens when a package is built for a different distribution (ubuntu) or for a significantly different release. |
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| 17:57.20 | Tinerion | okay, I see! dpkg -L seem seems to be the good solution, i'll try it. jhutchins_wk so that should be because it's a old printer and the package is probably not update since a lot of time, right? |
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| 18:00.24 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, I have a similar problem with a Brother 2040. 32bit wrapper won't install on 64b, Brother has no reason to write a new driver when they can just sell you a new printer. |
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| 18:05.11 | trek00 | hello, what's the name of the script that find dynamic linked libraries needed by a package? |
| 18:05.37 | Habbie | dpkg-shlibdeps? |
| 18:05.41 | greycat | if you're *building* the pacakge, one of the debhelper commands does it |
| 18:05.48 | trek00 | Habbie: oh thank you :) |
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| 18:28.01 | wxb | I'm going to read more on this, but just so I don't waste time, is it possible to dual boot Debian Linux and to LUKS the Debian part? |
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| 18:32.14 | wxb | *oops dual boot Debian and Windows* |
| 18:32.35 | MACscr | hmm, dont i have this right? http://paste.debian.net/1111744/. I seem to still be getting prompted for using a new php.ini from the package when doing apt dist-upgrade |
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| 18:35.35 | trek00 | wxb: i can't speak about windows, but it should be no difference installing a plain or a luks encrypted linux in a dual boot configuration |
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| 18:37.28 | wxb | trek00, Cool. So I just partition, then install + Debian and encypt Debian? |
| 18:38.45 | trek00 | wxb: you should set up the encrypted partitions inside the installation program of debian |
| 18:39.44 | wxb | trek00, Okay. Cool. I'll just Windows unenrypted. |
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| 18:40.53 | trek00 | MACscr: it should be ok |
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| 18:41.22 | MACscr | trek00 right, but its not |
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| 18:42.59 | wxb | Do you have a good guide to how to partition? I've never done it before and am a noob... |
| 18:43.34 | greycat | There is no "guide". You do whatever is needed for the unique requirements of the system you're installing. |
| 18:43.55 | greycat | If you don't have unique requirements, just make one big partition for all the files and one small partition for swap. |
| 18:43.59 | aaii | How i can send a mail with gmail in CLI? ( I tried many ways in Google but no one wokrked) |
| 18:44.35 | wxb | greycat, see above discusion for the unique requirements. I'm sure there are guides. |
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| 18:47.24 | wxb | here's one, but it doesn't seem great... https://markontech.com/linux/tutorial-how-to-dual-boot-windows-10-and-debian-9/ |
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| 18:47.51 | greycat | "how to dual boot" has *nothing* to do with the choices of partitioning |
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| 18:48.12 | p8m | aaii: look up the gmail smtp server settings and then use those with a cli email program |
| 18:48.23 | wxb | greycat, Okay. But I'm *sure* there are guides. |
| 18:48.37 | greycat | rolls eyes |
| 18:48.52 | wxb | greycat, And to dualboot doesn't one have to partition? |
| 18:48.58 | greycat | Yes, I'm sure there's a "guide" to how to put your clothing on, too. |
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| 18:49.34 | wxb | greycat, You're on ignore. Not helpful. Stop with the sarcasm if you have nothing to say or are too good for newcomers. |
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| 18:52.28 | wxb | this one seems better, (in French...) https://debian-facile.org/doc:install:dual-boot-debian-et-windows-sur-un-ordinateur-equipe-de-l-uefi |
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| 18:53.53 | p8m | aaii: I think gnu 'mailutils' supports smtp. if you want a curses client, maybe 'mutt'? |
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| 19:00.19 | trek00 | wxb: if it's your first time, you should make a backup of your data before partitioning, or better make some tests on an empty harddisk |
| 19:00.21 | aaii | p8m, I dunno, I change my script to send messages by IRC way that's easier. |
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| 19:02.30 | wxb | trek00, Thanks, yes, I'm backingup data to hdd. |
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| 19:02.45 | _DeLa_ | Hello! There was some bot-mediated info on how to uninstall the deb multimedia packages around here, wasn't there? |
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| 19:04.15 | _DeLa_ | got it: dmm remove |
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| 19:06.50 | _DeLa_ | errm... from <dmm remove>: is "dpkg --remove --force-depends $(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p)" without quotes really one long terminal command I am supposed to run? |
| 19:07.15 | greycat | yeah |
| 19:07.16 | karlpinc | _DeLa_: Yes. |
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| 19:07.33 | greycat | you need the inner single quotes, but not the outer double quotes |
| 19:08.06 | karlpinc | (And can run the inner statement to see what's found to remove....) |
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| 19:09.52 | kopax | hi |
| 19:10.02 | _DeLa_ | thanks! I just had deb multimedia installed for only OpenToonz (https://opentoonz.readthedocs.io/en/latest/installing_opentoonz.html) which I now use via flatpak, so I hope removing it will go smoothly (*fingerscrossed*) |
| 19:10.03 | kopax | I am having issue with network settings |
| 19:10.24 | kopax | If I open the settings of Mobile Broadband, then I cannot connect to anynetwork it fail suddently, dmsg log this: |
| 19:10.29 | kopax | Oct 29 20:08:13 dka kernel: [ 493.129468] cinnamon-settin[2268]: segfault at 20 ip 00007fe4c4562934 sp 00007ffd5a5e30a0 error 4 in libgtk-3.so.0.2404.1[7fe4c4295000+352000] |
| 19:10.34 | kopax | Oct 29 20:08:13 dka kernel: [ 493.129475] Code: 84 00 00 00 00 00 49 8b 44 24 28 48 63 d5 48 89 14 24 48 8b 3c d0 e8 0b 98 d3 ff 49 8b 4c 24 28 48 8b 14 24 31 f6 66 0f ef c0 <48> 8b 78 20 0f 29 44 24 50 0f 29 44 24 60 0f 29 44 24 70 0f 29 84 |
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| 19:11.35 | trek00 | kopax: it seems you need to open a bug report against cinnamon |
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| 19:13.01 | apteryx | yesterday someone mentioned in #emacs that Debian is using 'package.el' to manage Debian's Emacs packages initialization in site-start.el. I've looked at the source packages of Debian, but didn't see site-start.el being customized thiat way. Could someone confirm/infirm that this is done? |
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| 19:16.02 | karlpinc | apteryx: My site-start.el says to look at /usr/share/doc/emacsen-common/debian-emacs-policy.gz. But really, look at sources.debian.org at the patches and see if there's a patch that does something. That'd be definitive. |
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| 19:19.45 | trek00 | just a quick poll: is there anyone who don't have systemd installed? (no flame war, please) |
| 19:20.02 | Ankman | apropos emacs. anyone knows how to prevent it form creating backup files (having ~ as last part in the filename)? |
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| 19:20.48 | Ankman | trek00: not me. having systemd on debian and on a remote server running centos |
| 19:20.54 | greycat | ,popcon sysvinit-core |
| 19:20.55 | judd | Popcon data for sysvinit-core: inst: 2325, vote: 1865, old: 381, recent: 79, nofiles: 0 |
| 19:21.30 | Ankman | systemd is not really a problem for me. when debian moved over i had a race condition though |
| 19:21.48 | Mathisen | trek00, kinda wrong channel to ask also. debian uses systemd. maybe you should ask in ##linux instead |
| 19:22.10 | greycat | Mathisen: by default. See /msg dpkg stretch sysvinit |
| 19:22.51 | Mathisen | this was new to me :) thanks for the info |
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| 19:24.39 | Ankman | Mathisen: i am also admin of a Mint computer of my neighbor. it has some systemd files but lacks systemctl and others. since it's debian based that should be ontopic here |
| 19:25.29 | Ankman | hmm, not sure... |
| 19:25.30 | wxb | Ankman, Mint is based on ubuntu, no....? |
| 19:25.40 | greycat | it's not safe to assume anything about Debian based on one of its derivatives, *especially* when it comes to networking or init systems |
| 19:25.44 | Ankman | isn't ubunti based on debian? |
| 19:25.47 | Ankman | ps axu|grep systemd |
| 19:25.47 | Ankman | root 462 0.0 0.0 52312 2316 ? Ss 06:57 0:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd --daemon |
| 19:25.50 | Ankman | root 566 0.0 0.0 43588 1900 ? Ss 06:58 0:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-logind |
| 19:26.11 | Ankman | so there are some systemd things going on there |
| 19:26.15 | wxb | Ankman, I think so. But Mint isn't directly related to Debian from what I've undestood. |
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| 19:27.47 | greycat | the popcon data answers the poll, sort of, but it's a self-selected sample of installed systems, and I have a funny feeling that the people who choose sysvinit are strongly correlated with people who would opt out of popcon |
| 19:27.51 | Ankman | well if ubuntu is based on debian and mint is based on ubuntu (which is based on debian)... |
| 19:28.25 | Ether_Man | Is there any package for playing some kind of sound over pc speaker when bootup is complete and when shutdown/reboot is initiated? I can seemingly only find how to do it for x upon login which is completely different from what I want |
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| 19:29.05 | Ether_Man | Have to create my own startup script? |
| 19:29.06 | trek00 | greycat: yes, i was asking here because of this |
| 19:29.12 | greycat | You wouldn't need a "package". Just write a script to do it, and write a systemd unit to launch that script at the appropriate times. |
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| 19:31.01 | p8m | Ankman: re emacs temp files. I use something like (setq backup-directory-alist `(("." . "~/.emacs.d/saves"))) |
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| 19:31.37 | trek00 | greycat: i'm wondering if a conversion script from systemd to *init is still useful to debian or not |
| 19:31.39 | Ankman | wxb: on the other hand ubuntu went its on way using upstart instead of service. although service might still had been supported |
| 19:31.45 | greycat | !stretch sysvinit |
| 19:31.45 | dpkg | To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit in buster or sid, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again. |
| 19:31.51 | Ankman | p8m: thanks |
| 19:31.52 | Ether_Man | greycat, that one CAN do something, doesn't mean it's always preferred. We can keep reinventing the wheel every time we need one, but it's inefficient when one can simply use one that already exists |
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| 19:33.30 | Ankman | trek00: a neighbor complaint about beeping from my pc speaker so i muted it. check if it's muted on you system |
| 19:33.45 | Ankman | damn neighbors ;-) |
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| 19:35.50 | Ankman | a decade ago or so i shot a Star NL-10 matrix printer on a flea market just to see if it works under linux, when the machine still had a parallel port. it worked, but another complaint came in about the noise. that would not have happened in the 80s ;-) |
| 19:36.43 | trek00 | Ankman: buy an apartment on a busy street :) |
| 19:36.44 | greycat | A dot matrix printer basically receives straight ASCII data over the parallel port. No drivers, no nothin'. |
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| 19:40.02 | bernyrd | I heard stories of these huge chain driven printers for plotting work |
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| 19:42.03 | Ankman | greycat: it also can print graphics |
| 19:43.07 | Ankman | might need some kind of driver then. honestly i never tried graphics but straight ASCII worked |
| 19:43.22 | Ankman | damn i love retro stuff |
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| 19:50.11 | Ankman | poll: what chat client people here with debian use? |
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| 19:50.26 | Ankman | am using irssi myself |
| 19:50.37 | somiaj | !polls |
| 19:50.37 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 19:51.05 | Ankman | oh |
| 19:51.14 | Ankman | sorry then |
| 19:51.18 | greycat | /msg judd popcon irssi |
| 19:52.33 | p8m | Ankman: weechat is the hotness these days |
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| 19:54.39 | Ankman | p8m: interesting. will have a look into that |
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| 19:56.53 | kopax | I have a 4G modem in my laptop. I can send/receive SMS using my card, so it means the modem work, I just cant browse online. Any idea how to do ? |
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| 20:00.35 | Ankman | kopax: analog modem? |
| 20:02.15 | kopax | WWAN |
| 20:03.00 | Ankman | is this debian (linux) based? |
| 20:03.03 | kopax | yes |
| 20:03.14 | kadiro | I think it is an usb modem |
| 20:03.35 | Ankman | what does "/sbin/ifconfig -a" print? |
| 20:03.58 | Ankman | does "lsusb" show it? |
| 20:04.40 | kopax | bash: /sbin/ifconfig: No such file or directory |
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| 20:05.46 | kadiro | may be iwconfig |
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| 20:06.27 | kopax | http://paste.debian.net/1111778/ |
| 20:07.10 | kopax | is wwp0s20f0u7 the wwan ? |
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| 20:08.26 | greycat | You have two wireless interfaces, wlp0s20f3 and wwp0s20f0u7. The former is "UP", so it's apparently the one that's configured and working. The other one has no addresses assigned, and isn't "UP". |
| 20:08.27 | kopax | mmcli -L /org/freedesktop/ModemManager1/Modem/0 [Fibocom] MBIM + 3 CDC-ACM |
| 20:09.00 | Xalys | I have libnss-extrausers installed. When specifying a user in /var/lib/extrausers/{passwd,shadow}, and having the primary group of that user being a group in /etc/group (not libnss-extrausers), the user is unknown (id: âxalysâ: no such user). When changing the GID to one that is in /var/lib/extrausers/group, everything is ok. How do I fix this? |
| 20:09.47 | kopax | greycat, you are right how can I configure the network for the 2nd card ? |
| 20:09.57 | kopax | and how can I ensure this mac address is the one from the wwan card ? |
| 20:10.01 | greycat | presumably by repeating whatever you did for the first one |
| 20:10.23 | kopax | greycat, the first one is wifi, I just connected to the network |
| 20:10.27 | Ankman | wwp0s20f* shows up several times |
| 20:10.27 | kopax | the otherone is 4G wwan card |
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| 20:11.15 | Ankman | kopax: what does /sbin/route -n say? |
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| 20:11.30 | karlpinc | Xalys: I don't know. Have you poked around in /etc/nsswitch.conf? Maybe logged out and back in again? |
| 20:12.07 | Xalys | karlpinc: yes, nsswitch.conf doesn't seem to have any options related to this. I've peeked in the docs but this seems to be undocumented. Hoping someone is in this channel who knows libnss-extrausers from its source... |
| 20:12.13 | kopax | Ankman, http://paste.debian.net/1111779/ |
| 20:12.35 | kopax | greycat, http://paste.debian.net/1111779/ I cant see the mac address here but I assume this is the network device that I need to connect |
| 20:12.52 | karlpinc | Xalys: Try the readme.debian. |
| 20:12.55 | karlpinc | !readme.debian |
| 20:12.55 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
| 20:13.22 | Ankman | kopax: does "ping -c 1 192.168.0.1" return a success? |
| 20:13.33 | kopax | of course it is my LAN router |
| 20:13.38 | Xalys | I did. Nothing there |
| 20:13.53 | Ankman | so the route is set.you should have access to the internet |
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| 20:14.32 | karlpinc | kopax: 'traceroute' might provide more info. |
| 20:14.49 | kopax | Ankman, the route is set but through the WIFI, if I disable the WIFI I cant speak to you because I have no internet, later I want to use the 4G not the wifi |
| 20:15.01 | kopax | that wont help |
| 20:15.09 | kopax | karlpinc, the 4g card is not connected to any network |
| 20:15.14 | Ankman | may be the DNS is messed up. try to load 172.217.20.142 in your browser |
| 20:15.16 | Ankman | oh |
| 20:15.18 | kopax | it just as the GSM network but no internet network |
| 20:15.19 | wxb | Flash drive is in, install on its way. |
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| 20:15.37 | kopax | wwp0s20f0u7: flags=4226<BROADCAST,NOARP,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 this is what I want to coinnect |
| 20:15.44 | Xalys | Ah. The issue isn't what I thought it was. If the specified GID is < 100, user is unknown. (This IS documented) |
| 20:15.47 | karlpinc | wxb: It's a little late, but see below.... |
| 20:15.48 | wxb | It didn't detect network.... is this likely a driver thing? |
| 20:15.51 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 20:15.51 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 20:16.29 | Xalys | So: how do I allow users in libnss-extrausers to use a GID under 100? |
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| 20:16.46 | wxb | karlpinc, Ah, no worries. Thanks anyway. I'll have to find the missing driver after the install. I'm at the partition step. Should I select 'manual' and then create space for the Debian install? |
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| 20:17.32 | wxb | I feel like this is where I'm going to mess up... |
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| 20:18.26 | karlpinc | wxb: You can also go to a vt and really do it manually. |
| 20:18.41 | wxb | karlpinc, Sorry, vt? |
| 20:18.46 | karlpinc | !vt |
| 20:18.47 | dpkg | well, vt is Virtual Terminal, like the console; change VTs using Alt+Left/Right or Alt+F1, Alt+F2 etc. To get from X to a VT, use Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and Alt+F7 to get back, most likely). You can also use "chvt" to switch VT. VT is also used to mean Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica), ask me about <xve>. |
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| 20:19.21 | wxb | karlpinc, Cool! |
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| 20:20.24 | Ether_Man | Hm. Is it normal that it should create an almost 20gig large tmpfs for /run/user/0 ? That seems a bit much doesn't it? |
| 20:20.29 | wxb | I'm starting to think that partitioning from here is maybe not a good idea given my skill level... |
| 20:20.30 | Ankman | kopax: might be a setting somewhere to prioritise GSM over internet? |
| 20:21.56 | Ankman | wxb: are you performing to install Debian next Windows? |
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| 20:22.27 | wxb | Ankman, Yep. And then I want to LVM encypt the Debian part. |
| 20:23.36 | Ankman | then let the debian installer let install itself. it might ask to encrypt Debian. go for it |
| 20:23.39 | maxrazer | Well, Debian locked up on me for the first time in a long time. Running unstable. Exited Zandronum Doom port and XFCE became non-responsive a second after that. No virtual terminals would respond either. |
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| 20:24.27 | wxb | Ankman, But that will erase Windows, no? |
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| 20:25.26 | wxb | Not much help for me! https://wiki.debian.org/DualBoot/Windows |
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| 20:26.25 | Ankman | maxrazer: to shut the system down safely press PrtScr and ALT and enter RESISUB |
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| 20:27.27 | maxrazer | Ankman, Where is that from? I just tried it. I did a hard power off. |
| 20:27.27 | Ankman | wxb: no. the installer will ask you if you want to install Debian next to Windows or otherweise erase Windows. you can choose |
| 20:27.56 | wxb | Ankman, I don't get that option in the text install... is that in the graphic instlal? |
| 20:27.58 | Ankman | maxrazer: yes, but it also saved open data |
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| 20:29.00 | wxb | The LVM option says that it will completely wipe the disk... |
| 20:29.43 | Ankman | oh |
| 20:30.00 | maxrazer | Ankman, I don't understand what this does and it isn't working. I already rebooted. Can you point me somewhere and I'll read about it? |
| 20:30.21 | wxb | So, what's the best way to go about dual booting? This whole partition things is difficult for me... |
| 20:30.33 | maxrazer | wxb, I concluded two drives is the best. |
| 20:30.42 | maxrazer | wxb, And partitions are a pain. |
| 20:30.43 | Ankman | may be install Debian first without encrytion. you can later envrypt the Debian partition |
| 20:30.43 | trek00 | wxb: did you created a partition for linux? |
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| 20:31.06 | wxb | maxrazer, Partitions are a pain, but I have no choice. |
| 20:31.21 | kopax | Hi again, I am able to connect to my network by doing : |
| 20:31.23 | maxrazer | wxb, I got two ssd drives when I built my PC so I could mess around with linux. |
| 20:31.24 | wxb | trek00, No, I don't know how/when to do it... |
| 20:31.28 | kopax | nmcli c add type gsm ifname cdc-wdm1 con-name dka-free apn free |
| 20:31.43 | kopax | i have a network, dns server configured, but still cant connect to internet |
| 20:31.44 | wxb | maxrazer, Good idea. This is for someone else's machine. |
| 20:31.49 | greycat | trek00: I suggested they make one big partition for files, and one small partition for swap. They demanded a guide. I got fed up. They declared they'd ignored me. |
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| 20:31.59 | wxb | And they want to keep Windows JIC |
| 20:32.08 | karlpinc | Ankman: Better to use LUKS encryption and do it at install time. |
| 20:32.29 | wxb | karlpinc, I agree. |
| 20:32.32 | maxrazer | wxb, I'd pretty much always keep windows. I guess you could even think of Linux as a backup if windows fails. |
| 20:32.35 | Ankman | karlpinc: no idea if the Debian installer supports this |
| 20:32.37 | wxb | But should I partition before install? |
| 20:32.45 | trek00 | wxb: yes |
| 20:32.59 | Ankman | wxb: if you want to keep windows, yes |
| 20:33.04 | trek00 | wxb: you need to create a linux partition at least |
| 20:33.12 | wxb | So I should stop the install process, and partition with a different tool than the Debian Installer? |
| 20:33.20 | wxb | And then come back and install? |
| 20:33.23 | karlpinc | wxb: And do whatever to make sure that the windows file system is shrunk and fits in the partition it uses. |
| 20:33.23 | trek00 | wxb: to create a new partition you need free disk space |
| 20:33.24 | maxrazer | wxb, I think some distros have something to make it easier to dual boot on one drive and can resize stuff. I don't think debian helps you do that much. |
| 20:33.44 | kopax | This is my ifconfig : http://paste.debian.net/1111786/ , I want to connect using wwp0s20f0u7, I have a route to 0.0.0.0 with it but I still cant access internet |
| 20:33.46 | kopax | any idea why ? |
| 20:33.48 | karlpinc | wxb: I don't know if the installer will help. But do see the debian wiki. |
| 20:33.51 | wxb | maxrazer, No, some people find partition so easy. I don't. |
| 20:34.07 | Ankman | wxb: after Debian is fully installed next to windows you have the opportunity to envrypt the Debian partition |
| 20:34.09 | wxb | trek00, Should I do that during the install, or before? |
| 20:34.15 | karlpinc | wxb: And see the install guide. It has info on installing to dual boot. |
| 20:34.22 | trek00 | kopax: are you able to ping your router? |
| 20:34.49 | trek00 | wxb: if you have free space on the disk, you will create a linux partition during install |
| 20:34.51 | greycat | The Debian installer can definitely shrink a Windows 7 NTFS partition. I've done it. I don't know about Windows 10. |
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| 20:35.01 | kadiro | kopax, is your sim card have abillity to access the internet? |
| 20:35.29 | maxrazer | wxb, You still have windows? I think a video like this shows to use Windows Disk Manager to shrink first. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP9yLn1dnQE |
| 20:35.50 | maxrazer | How to dual boot Windows 10 and Debian 9.1 2017 |
| 20:36.06 | greycat | Awwww, someone finally found a guide for him/her. |
| 20:36.06 | maxrazer | I googled "debian partition for dual boot" |
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| 20:37.09 | kopax | This is my ifconfig : http://paste.debian.net/1111786/ , I want to connect using wwp0s20f0u7, I have a route to 0.0.0.0 with it but I still cant access internet, any idea why ? |
| 20:37.21 | Ankman | kopax: try (as root) something like "ip route add default via 192.168.0.1" |
| 20:37.37 | kopax | Ankman, why do you persist to user the WIFI interface ? |
| 20:37.44 | kopax | I want to use the WWAN interface, which is not 192.168.0.1 |
| 20:37.51 | Ankman | if this also fails, do "ip route del default via 192.168.0.1" |
| 20:37.56 | kopax | I want to use wwp0s20f0u7 which is inet 10.43.178.228 |
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| 20:38.10 | kopax | The gateway is 10.43.178.1 automatically set when connecting to 4G network |
| 20:38.10 | Ankman | oh, i missunderstood |
| 20:38.42 | Ankman | thought you want to connect via WIFI |
| 20:38.47 | kadiro | hmm didn't know that the windows can shrink the disk when in use |
| 20:38.53 | kopax | no I am on the wifi otherwise I wouldnt be replying |
| 20:39.21 | trek00 | kadiro: it's only a fake window, you press ok and it does nothing ;) |
| 20:39.32 | kadiro | :D |
| 20:39.37 | trek00 | :) |
| 20:39.40 | kadiro | that make sense |
| 20:40.14 | Ankman | kopax: but wifi does not allow you to browse the internet? i don't understand your problem then and better shut up |
| 20:40.36 | Delta706 | Is there any support for older versions of openjdk? |
| 20:41.19 | kadiro | kopax, you didn't respond to my question about your sim card |
| 20:41.23 | trek00 | kopax: as Ankman said, you need to add a default gateway |
| 20:41.34 | kopax | Ankman, wifi is working fine, I can browser online. I want to setup wwan, wifi is just used to connect and use hexchat |
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| 20:42.13 | trek00 | kopax: or to be fair, you need to remove one of the two default gateways you set up |
| 20:42.35 | kopax | trek00, if I cut the wifim then I dont have two gateway. I have one |
| 20:42.43 | kopax | but I am not connected to internet, I cant ping www.google.com |
| 20:43.10 | trek00 | kopax: usually you can only have one default gateway |
| 20:43.23 | kopax | trek00, ok but then how do I connect to hexchat ??????????\ |
| 20:43.44 | trek00 | kopax: what? |
| 20:43.45 | kopax | I can use another laptop, and chat with it, would that help ? |
| 20:43.49 | kadiro | with the wwan |
| 20:44.16 | Ankman | kopax: sirry, no idea what wwan is |
| 20:44.26 | kopax | WWAN is Wireless WAN |
| 20:44.32 | kopax | it is 4G modem |
| 20:44.43 | kopax | the same as the one in your smartphone |
| 20:44.55 | kopax | You basically need a SIM card to register to a network, then access internet |
| 20:45.06 | Ankman | is that GTS based? |
| 20:45.13 | kopax | what is GTS? |
| 20:45.19 | SerajewelKS | GSM |
| 20:45.29 | Ankman | yes, GSM,sorry |
| 20:45.41 | kopax | yes |
| 20:45.50 | Ankman | can't help with that |
| 20:45.51 | kopax | It is GSM based, it is exactly like a cell phone |
| 20:45.56 | trek00 | kopax: try route del default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 20:46.10 | kopax | trek00, wont help, I can do the same by just disabling the wifi |
| 20:46.19 | kopax | but then I get disconnected |
| 20:46.27 | kopax | I can show you the result of route -n when I have no wifi |
| 20:46.36 | kopax | will that help? |
| 20:46.45 | Ankman | so you need to find the device serving wwan and set a default route for that |
| 20:47.46 | dvs | kopax, you need to connect another laptop/desktop to chat so you can change the setting on the one you're currently using. |
| 20:47.48 | trek00 | kopax: not, but please help me to understand your network setup: you are on a pc and want to connect via wifi to this linux and then let this linux to connect to the internet via another network, right? |
| 20:48.01 | kopax | Ok |
| 20:48.05 | kopax | I am starting up another laptop |
| 20:48.09 | Ankman | ip route add default via "what ever the IP of your GSM device is" |
| 20:48.38 | wxb | This is an ordeal... Windows (not Debian's problem) is having issues freeing up space forthe partition. I'm in the Windows tools and there is free space. Anyway. Not aksing for help on that here, just waiting for the job to finish... |
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| 20:51.37 | wxb | I'm confused, the type is x64, and it says :C is SDD, do I need the amd64 iso? |
| 20:51.45 | wxb | *SSD |
| 20:52.15 | trek00 | wxb: yes, if your system is 64-bit, you need amd64 iso |
| 20:52.33 | Ankman | wxb: haven't done partioning for decades. back in 1998 i used defrag.exe in windows to optimize the sapce. then ran fips.exe (holy crap, this is long ago so today you don't do this) to partion the hard drive. then booted from the CD with linux on and installed it in new created partition. i would assume today this is much easier |
| 20:52.35 | wxb | trek00, Thanks. I thought so, but was unsure what the SSD changed. |
| 20:53.23 | wxb | Ankman, I'm using the Windows tool, but it's telling me that it can only free up like 666M for me even thoug like 12G is free. Sigh! lol |
| 20:53.28 | dvs | Ankman, today it's called partimage. |
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| 20:55.25 | dka | I have now only 1 default gatewat |
| 20:55.32 | Ankman | wxb: try to boot linux from usb/dvd and initiate the installer. it should allow you to shrink the windows partition to make space for Debian |
| 20:55.37 | dka | I have no more internet because I have switch off the wifi |
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| 20:55.43 | dka | i still cant connect to the internet |
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| 20:56.26 | Ankman | dka: switch on wifi then |
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| 20:58.13 | karlpinc | wxb: Maybe ask in #windows? |
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| 21:00.16 | trek00 | dka: what is your network setup? both interfaces are connected to the internet? |
| 21:00.32 | v0idpwn | Hey. I'm trying to install debian on another computer, and debian installer gives me a glitched screen both for the graphical mode and text mode. What could be happening? |
| 21:00.42 | wxb | wxb, They are like 'we don't help with dual-boot' lol I'm asking how to use a bloody winsows tool and they can't help. lol |
| 21:01.10 | Ankman | v0idpwn: try to use the non GUI installer |
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| 21:01.53 | ov3rmind | i had kicked on debian-mentors before i am invited why is happening? |
| 21:02.00 | Bacteria | how come my windows get mangled |
| 21:02.05 | trek00 | v0idpwn: when it starts draw with glitches? inside the installer or even when you select which mode you want? (text or gui) |
| 21:02.07 | Bacteria | after unlock |
| 21:02.17 | karlpinc | wxb: There may be some MS Windows virtual disk something getting in your way. |
| 21:02.19 | greycat | ov3rmind: on this network, or on OFTC? |
| 21:02.33 | ov3rmind | on freenode |
| 21:02.41 | greycat | ov3rmind: it's on OFTC, not freenode |
| 21:02.49 | trek00 | wxb: may be you need to chkdsk or defrag before shrink |
| 21:03.15 | wxb | trek00, I did defrag. To no avail. |
| 21:03.26 | karlpinc | v0idpwn: Are you using the unoffical installer with non-free firmware included? That can help with hardware issues. (I don't know how much it ever matters with video.) |
| 21:03.35 | v0idpwn | trek00: just after selecting the mode I want |
| 21:04.02 | v0idpwn | karlpinc: I'm not. Should I? Is an almost "default" build with a Ryzen 3 2200G |
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| 21:04.21 | v0idpwn | No creepy network stuff or something |
| 21:04.29 | karlpinc | v0idpwn: I always do. It's a lot easier if there's any non-free firmware needs installing. |
| 21:04.33 | maxrazer | wxb, The video I linked showed using the windows tool. |
| 21:04.34 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 21:04.34 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 21:04.43 | trek00 | wxb: may be you can try to shrink ntfs via debian installer (setting a new size on that partition) but do it at your risk! |
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| 21:05.38 | karlpinc | v0idpwn: See above. It's one less thing to go wrong. |
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| 21:06.01 | v0idpwn | I'll be downloading and trying |
| 21:06.08 | v0idpwn | Be back in a while |
| 21:06.26 | maxrazer | wxb, The tutorials I'm finding say to use Disk Management in windows to resize. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd7vsKEcW9w |
| 21:06.29 | karlpinc | v0idpwn: The netinstall is recommended. |
| 21:06.34 | trek00 | v0idpwn: may be you can add nomodeset to the installer command line |
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| 21:06.54 | kopax | hi again |
| 21:06.58 | karlpinc | v0idpwn: That's another good thought. |
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| 21:07.03 | maxrazer | I do net install of the stable then switch to unstable updates. |
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| 21:10.00 | maxrazer | Do you guys reboot after upgrades? I wonder if that had anything to do with my Debian crash. I didn't reboot. |
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| 21:10.25 | greycat | I reboot on kernel updates. |
| 21:11.12 | maxrazer | greycat, Sure, that makes sense. I might have gotten a kernel update. not sure. I'm on 5.3.0-1 now. |
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| 21:12.29 | kopax | how can I get the uuid in network-manager ? |
| 21:12.53 | wxb | maxrazer, It fails.... does not detect all the available spacE |
| 21:13.51 | maxrazer | wxb, Oh. I don't know why. Maybe instructions are not so good. Maybe slightly off. Free space. Formatting something. |
| 21:13.57 | karlpinc | wxb: I suspect something to do with VHD. You'll have to take it from there. |
| 21:15.25 | wxb | maxrazer, karlpinc Thanks for the ideas for Windows. Yep. Not the subject here for support. I think I might use Gparted to go in there and do the partition. |
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| 21:16.02 | karlpinc | wxb: You'll bork MS Windows if you shrink its partition without first shrinking its data. |
| 21:16.30 | maxrazer | wxb, Can you just buy another ssd? Why are you installing linux? |
| 21:16.36 | wxb | karlpinc, lol I'm lost. Anyway. A noob's life is hard. |
| 21:18.05 | karlpinc | wxb: VDH is MS's virtual drives, which live (presumably) inside regular partitions. So there'd be 3 layers, the file system, the virtual drive, and the containing partition. (And then there's the actual drive.) |
| 21:18.09 | kopax | My question is am I missing anything in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/dka-free http://paste.debian.net/1111793/ to get connected to the internet ? This is my mobile network provider configuration page: https://mobile.free.fr/assistance/46.html ? I use the same apn name 'free' |
| 21:18.35 | trek00 | karlpinc: it seems debian installer can shrink ntfs partitions |
| 21:18.47 | wxb | trek00, That would be good news. |
| 21:18.59 | wxb | trek00, Graphical installer? |
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| 21:19.04 | karlpinc | trek00: A partition containing VHD would not be a NTFS partition. |
| 21:19.34 | trek00 | karlpinc: oh sorry, i don't even know what a vhd is :) |
| 21:19.46 | karlpinc | It would be a partition containing VHD, which would contain partitions and those would hold NTFS file systems. |
| 21:20.52 | karlpinc | trek00: Like a partition can hold a lvm pv, which then contains more stuff. Except that this is MS Windows so everything in totally opaque. |
| 21:22.00 | trek00 | karlpinc: well another ms-not-invented-here-but-renamed-stuff :) |
| 21:22.13 | karlpinc | wxb: I'm just guessing, having bumped into this before. |
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| 21:22.48 | v0idpwn | Same thing happened |
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| 21:23.08 | karlpinc | v0idpwn: Did you see the above about a kernel parameter? |
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| 21:23.24 | v0idpwn | no, karlpinc, I was testing and got disconnected |
| 21:23.45 | kopax | Hi again, I am stuck trying to get internet access using the network provided by the DHCP |
| 21:24.00 | karlpinc | v0idpwn: [16:06:34]<trek00> v0idpwn: may be you can add nomodeset to the installer command line |
| 21:25.11 | Gigglebyte | Is it possible to assign folders different profiles so that some of them open automatically with descending order and others open automatically with descending? |
| 21:25.49 | v0idpwn | How do I access this command line? |
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| 21:26.51 | karlpinc | v0idpwn: I forget. But it's pretty much the first thing that happens after you boot from the install media. Maybe you need to choose expert mode (or otherwise read the screen). I bet the install guide has instructions. |
| 21:27.00 | karlpinc | v0idpwn: It's like the grub boot menu. |
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| 21:28.22 | humpled | press tab |
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| 21:28.56 | Bacteria | no u press |
| 21:29.04 | trek00 | v0idpwn: i remember typing something like: expert nomodeset |
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| 21:35.39 | trek00 | v0idpwn: check this https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s01.en.html#boot-screen |
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| 21:36.11 | trek00 | v0idpwn: If you wish or need to add any boot parameters for either the installer or the kernel, press Tab (BIOS boot), or e then down arrow three times then end (UEFI boot). This will bring the boot command for the selected menu entry and allow you to edit it to suit your needs. |
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| 21:39.30 | wxb | Well, I'll try again tomorrow. Thanks for your help. I'll be back likely with more Debian questions. |
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| 21:50.17 | kadiro | strange my ~/bin doesn't look it is in the PATH |
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| 21:51.12 | dvs | kadiro, it's not in your ~/.profile file? |
| 21:51.26 | kadiro | dvs, let me check |
| 21:52.03 | kadiro | dvs, it is |
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| 21:52.38 | trek00 | kadiro: if your ~/bin is just created, you need to start a new shell to take this in account |
| 21:53.17 | kadiro | trek00, i closed the shell and opened it again but same thing happen |
| 21:54.15 | kadiro | any script from that directory is like command not found, I have to add ~/bin/ before each one |
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| 21:55.37 | trek00 | kadiro: check with bash -xl |
| 21:56.09 | trek00 | kadiro: you should get a line like: + '[' -d /home/net/bin ']' |
| 21:56.29 | kadiro | I have this: PATH=/home/kadiro/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
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| 21:57.45 | trek00 | kadiro: well it's ok |
| 21:57.49 | humpled | i think ~/.profile is only read when logging |
| 21:57.52 | humpled | in |
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| 21:58.23 | kadiro | i found this whith the -d + '[' -d /etc/profile.d ']' |
| 21:58.44 | kadiro | it look like it caused that situation |
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| 22:00.18 | trek00 | humpled: usually xterm launch a login shell |
| 22:00.41 | humpled | oh |
| 22:00.52 | kadiro | ah something is wrong, if i type: echo $PATH it output: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
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| 22:01.07 | kadiro | no /home/kadiro/bin |
| 22:01.33 | trek00 | kadiro: it seems something set up a new PATH after .profile was read |
| 22:01.41 | humpled | so if you source the file on the command line do you get an error? |
| 22:01.43 | ahoo_ | buster is TEH. |
| 22:01.57 | kadiro | no errors |
| 22:03.00 | kadiro | I think i have to add it in the end of that .bashrc or the profile |
| 22:03.01 | trek00 | kadiro: try: bash -xl 2>&1 </dev/null| grep PATH |
| 22:03.35 | kadiro | trek00, twoo PATHs |
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| 22:04.17 | trek00 | kadiro: to find the offender, you could grep PATH /etc/profile.d |
| 22:04.23 | kadiro | https://termbin.com/yh6o3 |
| 22:04.32 | kadiro | ah |
| 22:04.46 | trek00 | grep PATH /etc/profile.d/* |
| 22:05.03 | kadiro | no output |
| 22:05.27 | kadiro | there is one script inside that directory: vte-2.91.sh |
| 22:05.39 | trek00 | kadiro: could you paste the full output of bash -xl </dev/null |
| 22:06.25 | dka | now that I am able to use internet, send and receive SMS, how can I be able to make phone call using the sim card?? |
| 22:07.06 | Bacteria | does ur guyses windows get messed up |
| 22:07.12 | Bacteria | when unlock |
| 22:07.38 | annadane | that's not really a debian question... |
| 22:07.43 | trek00 | Bacteria: what graphic card? |
| 22:07.55 | kadiro | trek00, my netcat doesn't gives an output link from that command |
| 22:07.57 | Bacteria | and my cairo dock get fuked |
| 22:08.00 | annadane | oh, windows within debian. d'oh. i thought windows = microsoft windows |
| 22:08.05 | annadane | sorry, i'm sleepy |
| 22:08.11 | Bacteria | nvidia |
| 22:08.33 | Bacteria | gtx960 |
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| 22:08.57 | trek00 | kadiro: you can put it in a file with kadiro: try: bash -xl </dev/null >/tmp/output.txt 2>&1 |
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| 22:09.53 | Bacteria | oh im using gnome shell |
| 22:09.58 | Bacteria | btw |
| 22:10.03 | kadiro | trek00, empty line |
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| 22:10.47 | trek00 | Bacteria: i don't have nvidia, sorry, usually i would install latest drivers and try with different configuration (are you using Xorg or wayland?) |
| 22:11.04 | kadiro | trek00, https://termbin.com/47nk |
| 22:11.07 | trek00 | kadiro: now paste the contents of /tmp/output.txt |
| 22:11.18 | kadiro | I had to cat that output to get that link |
| 22:11.30 | kadiro | yes i did that |
| 22:11.53 | kadiro | It doesn't support one line output |
| 22:12.29 | Bacteria | xorg |
| 22:12.32 | trek00 | kadiro: it should be ok, but you are using a vte based terminal, may be you need to close all the terminals and may be kill the vte daemon before try again |
| 22:12.42 | Bacteria | i doubt its drivers |
| 22:13.08 | Bacteria | actually i have no clue |
| 22:13.11 | kadiro | trek00, can i remove the script inside the profile.d ? |
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| 22:13.21 | Bacteria | i doubt they fixed anything i mean |
| 22:13.32 | rpifan | ive got this error |
| 22:13.34 | rpifan | uilding initial module for 5.3.0-1-amd64 |
| 22:13.36 | rpifan | Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 5.3.0-1-amd64 (amd64) |
| 22:13.38 | rpifan | Consult /var/lib/dkms/btusb-lp1542743/0.2~4.8/build/make.log for more information. |
| 22:13.40 | rpifan | dpkg: error processing package btusb-lp1542743-dkms (--configure): |
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| 22:13.40 | dpkg | rpifan: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 22:14.18 | trek00 | kadiro: it is not a problem that script |
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| 22:14.26 | rpifan | sorry |
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| 22:14.58 | trek00 | kadiro: try to completely logout and login again to check if it is ok |
| 22:15.21 | kadiro | ah ok i think that will fix it |
| 22:16.23 | trek00 | Bacteria: dealing with closed source stuff is difficult, but i remember nvidia stuff needed a lot of bugfixing trough versions |
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| 22:17.02 | trek00 | rpifan: !paste |
| 22:17.07 | trek00 | !paste? |
| 22:17.07 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 22:17.09 | kadiro | trek00, same problem |
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| 22:17.33 | trek00 | kadiro: try with xterm if it is installed |
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| 22:18.13 | kadiro | trek00, i have some autostart script in the bin directory, all they fail |
| 22:18.48 | trek00 | kadiro: is it a fresh install? |
| 22:18.53 | kadiro | xterm also say the command not found |
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| 22:19.16 | ud | hi |
| 22:19.18 | kadiro | trek00, no |
| 22:19.35 | ud | is anybody using parrot here? |
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| 22:20.01 | sponix | ud: is that a program that mocks me ? |
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| 22:21.33 | sponix | rpifan: any specific reason you are attempting to use a kernel that new ? |
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| 22:22.10 | trek00 | kadiro: well, about the path problem, the setup of the shell seems ok, but if echo $PATH does not show the correct, something gone wrong, i would try with a different terminal, also logging from the console should show the correct PATH |
| 22:22.17 | kadiro | I think I need the original bashrc file, it could be wrong or missed something |
| 22:22.23 | rpifan | i just need to get bluetooth |
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| 22:23.20 | trek00 | kadiro: the output you pasted is ok, it setup and export PATH in the correct way |
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| 22:23.53 | trek00 | rpifan: please paste the full output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 22:23.54 | kadiro | trek00, but echo $PATH doesn't have the bin directory |
| 22:24.13 | kadiro | something is disabling it |
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| 22:24.31 | trek00 | kadiro: even when you log in from the console? (CTRL-ALT-F2 go to the console, CTRL-ALT-F1 returns to X11) |
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| 22:24.46 | kadiro | trek00, let me try that |
| 22:25.18 | rpifan | https://pastebin.com/pJxYAH5t |
| 22:25.36 | somiaj | rpifan: please don't cross post, just get your help in #debian-next (not here) |
| 22:25.37 | sponix | rpifan: this some new fancy bluetooth ? I'm on 4.15.x kernel and mine works just fine ;) |
| 22:26.03 | rpifan | ok |
| 22:26.03 | kadiro | trek00, oh you were right, from the tty2 is fine the bin is there |
| 22:26.33 | kadiro | strange |
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| 22:26.50 | trek00 | kadiro: something happens with your x-terminal |
| 22:27.15 | sponix | somiaj: after looking at his mix of repos -- I'm surprised more isn't broken :P |
| 22:27.53 | kadiro | trek00, it look it is indeed |
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| 22:28.34 | kadiro | may be i need another .bashrc or .profile or something |
| 22:28.58 | dka | how to execute script as root on Buster after startuP? |
| 22:29.12 | trek00 | kadiro: i read somewhere, vte based terminals can use a daemon to speed up the startup process, may be you need to restart that daemon? I would try installing another terminal to see if it is working fine |
| 22:29.58 | kadiro | trek00, xfce-terminal and xterm have no bin path but from the tty2 it is there |
| 22:30.34 | kadiro | I think they both read the same mistake |
| 22:30.41 | trek00 | kadiro: i don't know how to fix this, but you .profile/.bashrc are fine, the issue is somewhere out of here |
| 22:30.52 | kadiro | ah |
| 22:31.19 | trek00 | kadiro: well, if even xterm don't have PATH, it's not a terminal issue |
| 22:31.32 | trek00 | kadiro: may be the display manager, are you using lightdm? |
| 22:31.39 | kadiro | yes |
| 22:32.05 | dka | is there a /etc/host.d for /etc/hosts ? to override conf by adding file ? |
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| 22:34.54 | trek00 | kadiro: it seems to be a bug on lightdm https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=636108 |
| 22:34.55 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/636108 in lightdm (forwarded, fixed-upstream, patch, newcomer, wontfix): «lightdm: does not source ~/.profile»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-07-31; last modified: 2017-03-19. |
| 22:35.04 | sponix | dka: have a look and see |
| 22:35.18 | kadiro | oh |
| 22:37.41 | HelloShitty | which terminal web browser you guys advise to start using? |
| 22:37.54 | kadiro | trek00, can i add what is inside .profile and puting it inside the .bashrc to force loading it as a wourkaround? |
| 22:38.43 | trek00 | kadiro: you could put in your .bashrc export PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH" |
| 22:38.59 | trek00 | kadiro: but it's not really a good workaround |
| 22:39.05 | karlpinc | HelloShitty: You want a text-based browser? |
| 22:39.13 | HelloShitty | yes |
| 22:39.19 | sponix | HelloShitty: links |
| 22:39.38 | HelloShitty | w3m don't support java, if I'm not mistaken, right? |
| 22:39.48 | trek00 | kadiro: a last try: launch xterm -ls |
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| 22:39.51 | somiaj | lynx or links2 come to mind |
| 22:40.01 | trek00 | kadiro: then check again $PATH |
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| 22:40.35 | kadiro | trek00, trek00 it show the bin in the path |
| 22:40.36 | somiaj | HelloShitty: I can't think of any text based browser that supports java or javascript. |
| 22:40.52 | trek00 | HelloShitty: javascript is supported only on chrome and gecko based browsers |
| 22:41.00 | HelloShitty | ok |
| 22:41.31 | HelloShitty | So, a good one to start? Don't need any fancy features |
| 22:41.32 | somiaj | HelloShitty: hmm, seems I was mistaken, https://askubuntu.com/questions/34687/is-there-a-text-mode-browser-which-supports-javascript, but support might be limited. |
| 22:41.40 | HelloShitty | just to try it out |
| 22:41.48 | trek00 | kadiro: what terminal do you like to use? |
| 22:42.21 | kadiro | trek00, i like xfce but if anythink can fix the problem so i will take it |
| 22:42.24 | HelloShitty | I watched a youtube video about w3m and it looked quite complicated, at least at a first glance |
| 22:42.27 | somiaj | HelloShitty: I would try a few, I have only used lynx, but that is an old one. links2 or elinks seem to have more features. |
| 22:42.32 | HelloShitty | too many short keys |
| 22:42.39 | trek00 | somiaj: wow! |
| 22:42.45 | HelloShitty | ok |
| 22:42.57 | HelloShitty | I'll check elinks maybe |
| 22:44.11 | trek00 | kadiro: go to the preferences and set "run command as login shell" https://docs.xfce.org/apps/terminal/preferences |
| 22:44.30 | trek00 | HelloShitty: links2 and elinks are good |
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| 22:44.54 | HelloShitty | ok, I'm installing elinks |
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| 22:45.29 | somiaj | dka: no. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/60549/etc-hosts-file-refer-to-another-configuration-file -- setup a local DNS if you need more power than /etc/hosts offers. |
| 22:46.04 | Bacteria | hi Shitty |
| 22:46.49 | kadiro | trek00, wow problem fixed thanks |
| 22:46.56 | trek00 | kadiro: :) |
| 22:47.29 | kadiro | wondering why it wasn't set that way |
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| 22:47.43 | trek00 | HelloShitty: i really like your nick :) |
| 22:48.06 | trek00 | kadiro: i also like terminal updating utmp/wtmp |
| 22:48.12 | HelloShitty | xD... I've been banned from a channel here in Freenode because of it |
| 22:48.25 | trek00 | kadiro: so you can see them with w command or last |
| 22:48.44 | trek00 | HelloShitty: bigots :) |
| 22:48.57 | karlpinc | There are ways of specifying how hosts are looked up in /etc/nsswitch.conf. But I don't know what all the options are and can pretty safely say that uninformed messing about will lead to trouble. |
| 22:49.09 | kadiro | trek00, it seems my preference doesn't have that option about utmp |
| 22:49.10 | karlpinc | dka: ^ |
| 22:49.30 | HelloShitty | they sai it could be offensive to kids in case kids were on the channel (channel subject was electronics, :s) |
| 22:49.50 | trek00 | HelloShitty: yes may be |
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| 22:50.28 | HelloShitty | In electronics channel? It's not Disney Channel... lol |
| 22:50.29 | indomitable | HelloShitty, can't you just stop being a childish cunt and change your nick? |
| 22:51.04 | indomitable | honestly when i see a nick like yours I usually just block it |
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| 22:51.10 | indomitable | nothing good will come of it |
| 22:51.20 | kadiro | thankfully my english is not very good, i don't understand what is your nick mean but i guess it is something funny |
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| 22:51.40 | indomitable | kadiro, not funny "haha", funny like "bird swimming" |
| 22:51.47 | HelloShitty | There is a kid's doll named HelloKitty and I just swapped the K to S |
| 22:51.51 | HelloShitty | That's it |
| 22:52.00 | indomitable | Congratulations, you're now at primary school level humour |
| 22:52.14 | kadiro | oh |
| 22:52.15 | indomitable | And no, you didn't. It's not "Khitty" |
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| 22:52.20 | HelloShitty | thank you... Coming from you it's an honour |
| 22:52.22 | indomitable | You're just a moron trolling. |
| 22:52.34 | somiaj | lets get back on topic of debian support. |
| 22:52.41 | HelloShitty | indeed |
| 22:52.42 | indomitable | Is that the topic? o_o |
| 22:52.45 | Bacteria | dont call ppl morons |
| 22:52.52 | Bacteria | its hurtful |
| 22:52.53 | indomitable | Bacteria, well, prevent them from being morons then |
| 22:52.58 | indomitable | educate them |
| 22:53.01 | Bacteria | cant |
| 22:53.03 | trek00 | indomitable: please calm down |
| 22:53.05 | indomitable | try harder |
| 22:53.05 | HelloShitty | I don't take any offense from people like this |
| 22:53.14 | Bacteria | his brain is very smol |
| 22:53.15 | HelloShitty | I just "let it be" |
| 22:53.27 | HelloShitty | Speaking wors of wisdom.... Let it be |
| 22:53.31 | ratrace | HelloShitty: just put them on ignore :) |
| 22:53.36 | HelloShitty | words* |
| 22:53.42 | Bacteria | dont start this guys |
| 22:53.55 | HelloShitty | Ok, I'm trying elinks right now |
| 22:53.58 | indomitable | meh, low quality channel, I guess |
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| 22:54.21 | kadiro | /clear the screen |
| 22:54.23 | somiaj | also please don't feed the trolls. |
| 22:54.32 | trek00 | my fault |
| 22:55.09 | kadiro | fantastic my commands in bin directory are all recognized |
| 22:55.48 | somiaj | kadiro: you may wan to man bash and read the difference between interactive and login shells. To some this makes a difference. |
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| 22:56.39 | kadiro | somiaj, i will look into that just curious why it is not at login by default |
| 22:57.00 | HelloShitty | There are 1500 people here making this channel "low quality"... Also this is too many years of "low quality" |
| 22:57.04 | ratrace | kadiro: also worth mentioning, display/login managers dealing with PATH completely differently (because they don't source any shell rc on login) |
| 22:57.06 | HelloShitty | Debian FTW |
| 22:57.11 | somiaj | kadiro: personally I use method in .profile from /etc/skel/, which has the following http://paste.debian.net/1111830/ |
| 22:57.13 | HelloShitty | Linux FTW |
| 22:57.16 | HelloShitty | lol |
| 22:57.23 | ratrace | drinks to that |
| 22:57.40 | somiaj | kadiro: And then I put everything I want in .bashrc, this way my login and interactive shells are effictivally the same when running bash. |
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| 22:59.06 | kadiro | hmm i think i learned something new today |
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| 22:59.58 | trek00 | kadiro: it's always a good thing :) |
| 23:00.57 | kadiro | indeed trek00 thank you guys that was very helpful |
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| 23:08.38 | HelloShitty | Tell me something about elinks, if you guys know... When you run elinks and open, for instance, duckduckgo, you get some results. You open one of the links from the results. What if you want to go back to the results? |
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| 23:09.11 | abrotman | I'm sure it has documentation about how to use it? |
| 23:09.57 | HelloShitty | oh, I got it |
| 23:10.08 | HelloShitty | yes, I am looking in default key map |
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| 23:10.31 | HelloShitty | but I wasn't yet at the point where they say about this action |
| 23:10.33 | HelloShitty | I got it now |
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| 23:12.25 | annadane | i never even read the docs, i just did what seemed intuitive and it worked |
| 23:13.04 | kadiro | probably you use google |
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| 23:34.49 | CrystalMath | hi |
| 23:34.54 | CrystalMath | when compiling a linux-source kernel |
| 23:34.59 | CrystalMath | where is the preempt_rt patch? |
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| 23:47.51 | CrystalMath | also, why is there no metapackage that always depends on the latest *unsigned* kernel? |
| 23:48.02 | CrystalMath | this way i probably have to manually upgrade them |
| 23:48.22 | CrystalMath | i really don't want to run a signed kernel, it restricts some debugging features, and it has no purpose (i don't have UEFI) |
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