| 00:01.46 | allizom | I would rather not reinstall to fix an issue which can be easily solved, that's all I mean |
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| 00:42.12 | crestfallen | hi so I went into recovery (new install booting issue) and ran apt install firmware-amd-graphics and this line was added (commented out #) : |
| 00:43.15 | crestfallen | deb cdrom:[DEBIAN GNU/Linux 10.1.0 _Bustr? - Official amd64 NETINST 20190908-01:07]/ buster main |
| 00:43.31 | crestfallen | oops _Buster_ .. |
| 00:44.02 | crestfallen | but then it says to run $ apt-cdrom |
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| 00:44.32 | crestfallen | some error about security is returned |
| 00:45.08 | crestfallen | it also says do not apt update but 'add' instead, but that command is not recognized |
| 00:45.38 | crestfallen | I tried $ add cdrom: .... to no avail |
| 00:46.04 | crestfallen | should that deb line be commented out ? (it's at the top of sources.list) |
| 00:46.22 | crestfallen | how to get system to recognize the added line ? |
| 00:47.00 | crestfallen | also member suggested 'repairing the install usb drive, but I do not understand that |
| 00:47.55 | crestfallen | also if the 'deb cdrom: [DEBIAN GNU/Linux .... ]/ buster main line should include 'contrib non-free' |
| 00:48.21 | crestfallen | if it's uncommented , that is.. phew |
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| 00:48.32 | LtL | crestfallen: are you internet connected? you need to comment out the cdrom line in sources.list so it searches repositories and not install media |
| 00:48.50 | Someone_Else | anyone around here who knows about xinetd? |
| 00:49.43 | crestfallen | LtL yeah I am. also yes it was added as a comment# |
| 00:50.09 | crestfallen | but I tried it both commented and uncommented, also with and without contrib non-free |
| 00:50.22 | RoyK | crestfallen: don't use the cdrom line - just use the network targets |
| 00:50.33 | LtL | crestfallen: after that do 'apt show firmware-amd-graphics' see if it lists your card. |
| 00:50.42 | crestfallen | please explain RoyK |
| 00:50.57 | RoyK | crestfallen: deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ buster main |
| 00:51.15 | RoyK | and perhaps add "contrib" and "non-free" to that line if you need those as well |
| 00:51.30 | crestfallen | just add that to sources.list RoyK ? |
| 00:51.37 | RoyK | crestfallen: most people don't use a cdrom these days ;) |
| 00:51.59 | RoyK | I have this |
| 00:52.00 | RoyK | deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ buster main non-free contrib |
| 00:52.05 | RoyK | and comment out the cdrom line |
| 00:52.24 | crestfallen | but that was added to the list using $ apt install firmware-amd-graphics |
| 00:52.26 | RoyK | then run apt update and apt install <somepackage> |
| 00:52.26 | crestfallen | RoyK: |
| 00:52.42 | RoyK | you don't need the cdrom line |
| 00:52.56 | crestfallen | <somepackage> ? |
| 00:52.59 | RoyK | unless you're installing from a cdrom, that is, but I somewhat doubt you are |
| 00:53.28 | RoyK | crestfallen: just the name of the package you want to install - perhaps firmware-amd-graphics |
| 00:54.22 | crestfallen | ok comment out the cdrom line and use your (brilliant) line above. ok that was already done (but in the correct sequence?) RoyK |
| 00:54.41 | crestfallen | the install command was already done i.e. |
| 00:55.04 | RoyK | yes, should do |
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| 00:56.36 | crestfallen | excellent thanks kindly RoyK LtL |
| 00:56.40 | LtL | crestfallen: new firmware requires a reboot. fyi |
| 00:56.58 | crestfallen | copy that thnx |
| 00:58.50 | allizom | Someone_Else: I do not, however explaining your issue in more details may lead people to comment on it |
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| 01:00.00 | Someone_Else | allizom: right, but my question is very specific. anyway, I want xinetd to listen on 2 specific IP adresses: one IPv4, one IPv6 |
| 01:00.50 | Someone_Else | I only get it to listen on one, as if there simple put isn't an option to specify multiple IP addresses. It looks like one or all-in |
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| 01:03.44 | whislock | Someone_Else: You will need individual xinetd configuration blocks per IP. |
| 01:04.14 | whislock | xinetd configuration only recognizes a single bind instruction per service. |
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| 01:04.51 | whislock | Someone_Else: So, why are you trying to do things this way, exactly? |
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| 01:05.20 | Someone_Else | whislock: multiple IP's on one server, need it to listen to one specific |
| 01:05.33 | whislock | Someone_Else: Host-based firewalling seems far less kludgy. |
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| 01:05.55 | Someone_Else | not in this case... |
| 01:06.32 | whislock | I have yet to see a detail provided that supports that response. |
| 01:06.48 | Someone_Else | I'm working with some *popular control panel* to make things easy for the person that is going to use it |
| 01:07.08 | Someone_Else | and their firewall config method is flaky at best |
| 01:07.29 | whislock | Sounds like it would be better to teach them proper sysadmin skills instead of saddling them with a broken by design panel. |
| 01:07.56 | Someone_Else | maybe, but time and cost is in effect as well |
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| 01:11.02 | Someone_Else | whislock: anyway, thanks for the info, this specific bit was hard to find |
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| 01:13.35 | kadiroooo | my vdr-sxfe use that xine thing |
| 01:14.36 | mystic | vd isnt safe |
| 01:14.46 | kadiroooo | what |
| 01:14.52 | mystic | on the end of that urine thing |
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| 01:15.37 | kadiroooo | vdr not vd |
| 01:16.24 | kadiroooo | ah lol you are the guy get banned from linux channel |
| 01:16.47 | whislock | dpkg: ops Can we please do someabout about mystic? |
| 01:16.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: whislock complains about a problem (see above) |
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| 01:21.11 | themill | whislock: thanks |
| 01:21.35 | whislock | (insert thumbs up here) |
| 01:22.21 | blob | anyone running debian on a lenovo x1 carbon 7th gen? |
| 01:22.31 | kadiroooo | thank you op |
| 01:22.44 | crestfallen | very sorry I followed the instructions to a T: comment out the cdrom line in sources.list ; added the line: |
| 01:23.16 | crestfallen | deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian buster main contrib non-free |
| 01:24.24 | crestfallen | when I add the line and update, I get errors : "Error:1 deb.debian.org buster InRelease' |
| 01:24.34 | crestfallen | also: |
| 01:25.08 | crestfallen | Could not resolve ftp.no.debian.org also: |
| 01:25.25 | crestfallen | Could not resolve security.debian.org |
| 01:25.33 | kadiroooo | crestfallen, I think ( not sure ) you have a typo in that line |
| 01:25.45 | crestfallen | which line? |
| 01:26.05 | kadiroooo | deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian buster main contrib non-free ==> must be ==> deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free |
| 01:26.20 | kadiroooo | after debian there must be a slash |
| 01:26.34 | kadiroooo | not very sure though |
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| 01:27.13 | LtL | crestfallen: use this, deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main contrib non-free |
| 01:27.17 | crestfallen | yes actually I'm pretty sure that is how I wrote it (with the last slash) .. but all those domains are 'unresolved' |
| 01:27.56 | kadiroooo | try what LtL say |
| 01:28.00 | LtL | !tell crestfallen about buster sources.list |
| 01:28.21 | crestfallen | LtL in place of what line in sources.list (that's where I'm doing the edits) |
| 01:28.38 | LtL | crestfallen: dpkg sent you a proper sources.list just add contrib non-free to each line |
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| 01:29.44 | crestfallen | I see , should all the existing lines be commented out LtL ? including the //ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ line ? |
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| 01:31.21 | crestfallen | I don't understand, there's nothing about contrib non-free in the bot message. wtf |
| 01:31.34 | crestfallen | totally confusing mess |
| 01:31.35 | LtL | crestfallen: yes or erase them, then edit in and apt update && apt upgrade |
| 01:32.11 | LtL | crestfallen: contrib and non-free are optional |
| 01:32.39 | crestfallen | ok LtL but member gave me the deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ line |
| 01:32.50 | crestfallen | nix that as well? |
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| 01:33.11 | kadiroooo | norvege |
| 01:33.14 | aZz7eCh | ... why is half our network suddenly unable to sftp between machines? |
| 01:33.14 | RoyK | crestfallen: you can replace ftp.no.debian.org with http.debian.org - perhaps a bit better, since .no. just implies norway, ftp is going out some day |
| 01:33.22 | LtL | crestfallen: yes, but that address does work. |
| 01:33.24 | aZz7eCh | literally problem come out of no where |
| 01:34.30 | RoyK | damn - use ftp.debian.org - not http |
| 01:34.35 | RoyK | thought it worked - it doesn't |
| 01:34.42 | LtL | crestfallen: just use dpkg's 3 lines and and optional stuff, i.e., contrib non-free .. the options you definetly need. |
| 01:35.30 | LtL | crestfallen: don't use quotes either. |
| 01:35.49 | crestfallen | ok RoyK LtL so not ftp.no... but ftp.debian.org/debian ... |
| 01:36.21 | LtL | crestfallen: dpkg is not wrong, do as you wish. |
| 01:36.39 | RoyK | crestfallen: yes |
| 01:37.00 | crestfallen | ok but I thought this was a case of slightly older hardware LtL requiring some prodding :) |
| 01:37.24 | crestfallen | signing off . more drama later |
| 01:37.28 | LtL | crestfallen: hardware has nothing to do with this. |
| 01:37.32 | RoyK | crestfallen: both probably work well, but still https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 01:38.14 | RoyK | finding the nearest mirror is nice, but usually not that important |
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| 01:59.48 | ryouma | i use an old computer but i want to partition an external drive to boot off of whatever i might get if this computer dies. i will be able to get my existing debian onto its boot and root partitions. i want to know what partitioning to use for maximum flexibility. is it ok to use mbr and make an extended mbr, then a tiny partition, boot, root, and home? |
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| 02:01.53 | RoyK | ryouma: probably - but if you're looking for the easiest approach, I'd suggest just disconnecting the internal drive and running the debian installer, installing directly onto the external drive, avoiding grub messups |
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| 02:06.25 | crestfallen | https://termbin.com/pvu5 RoyK LtL this is precisely what I have, plus an update and a reboot. do I need to install the firmware-amd-graphics after* that sources.list is all squared away? |
| 02:06.45 | crestfallen | btw it still hangs |
| 02:08.53 | crestfallen | I think I need to install packages after the sources list is correct :P |
| 02:09.48 | RoyK | crestfallen: the first and last line point to the same repo, just different mirrors - remove the last one |
| 02:10.15 | crestfallen | will that solve it; is there a conflict? just curious |
| 02:10.30 | RoyK | deb.debian.org will cycle between some hosts near you |
| 02:10.40 | RoyK | there shouldn't be any conflicts |
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| 02:11.04 | crestfallen | but yeah I have to install the package *after the sources.list is correct, right RoyK ? sorry for confusion |
| 02:11.32 | crestfallen | It looked like it installed but perhaps I had error messages there as well |
| 02:11.40 | RoyK | deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:11.44 | RoyK | might be there as well |
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| 02:12.15 | crestfallen | yeah I have that one second |
| 02:12.28 | crestfallen | oh its different |
| 02:12.36 | RoyK | http://deb.debian.org/debian-security is a redirect - so it'll work |
| 02:13.02 | RoyK | but I need sleep - ttyl |
| 02:13.10 | crestfallen | RoyK: thanks , but to confirm , install the package again right? just so I know for future |
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| 02:13.16 | SymbioticFemale | how do i remove docker? |
| 02:13.58 | SymbioticFemale | oh apt remove docker-ce |
| 02:14.06 | RoyK | crestfallen: just install the package - or run "apt upgrade" to fix things if they're out of sync, or even "apt dist-upgrade" |
| 02:14.12 | RoyK | but nighttime |
| 02:14.26 | crestfallen | thanks RoyK !! |
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| 02:14.46 | SymbioticFemale | why is it that these days apt update never shows me any available updates? i remember the days when i would have package updates daily |
| 02:14.49 | SymbioticFemale | is debian teh kill? |
| 02:15.01 | SymbioticFemale | is on buster |
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| 02:24.24 | de-facto | Everytime i update php7.3-fpm I have to do that config file nightmare to port my changes into the package versions config files |
| 02:25.07 | de-facto | is there a simple way to leave the package config files in default state and overwrite only some variables with an extra file (outside the packages file tree)? |
| 02:25.27 | ksk | de-facto: eh? if php stays 7.3 I would assume it would not come with a new config (option)!? |
| 02:25.45 | ksk | ..so you would then choose to "keep local version", and be done. |
| 02:26.07 | de-facto | well but then i dont get the package version's updates in config files |
| 02:27.06 | de-facto | what i meant was: a) leave the package config files untouched in original state and b) overwrite some vars with my own file so it never collides and stays untouched by dpkg |
| 02:27.23 | de-facto | if something like that is possible |
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| 02:28.40 | de-facto | e.g. overwrite /etc/php/7.3/fpm/php.ini and /etc/php/7.3/fpm/pool.d/www.conf |
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| 02:29.52 | de-facto | that would be awesome because 1) only my differences (overwrites), so its shorter and much better to read and 2) it would never collide with updates |
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| 02:36.44 | ksk | in theory that works yes. until update introduces new features, changes a known behaviour.. |
| 02:37.01 | ksk | not that php would ever do that. ehm.. |
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| 02:37.34 | de-facto | well in major version upgrades I would have to do the full diff of course |
| 02:38.02 | de-facto | do you know if overwriting variables in /etc/php/7.3/fpm/php.ini and /etc/php/7.3/fpm/pool.d/www.conf is possible with some extra file somewhere? |
| 02:38.49 | ksk | iirc php has a place where configs starting with numbers are stored - I suppose they are loaded in that specific order - take a look at that. |
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| 02:39.18 | de-facto | yeah there is a modules directory in /etc/php/7.3/fpm/conf.d |
| 02:40.34 | de-facto | just not sure when that is loaded and which file would be overwritten by those |
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| 02:46.19 | de-facto | hmm not sure about that conf.d directory, cant see it mentioned anywhere |
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| 02:47.14 | de-facto | but in /etc/php/7.3/fpm/php-fpm.conf there is include=/etc/php/7.3/fpm/pool.d/*.conf so i guess i could do zzz-custom.conf in there to overwrite? |
| 02:48.15 | de-facto | that would possible overwrite /etc/php/7.3/fpm/pool.d/www.conf |
| 02:48.25 | de-facto | how about /etc/php/7.3/fpm/php.ini ? |
| 02:51.08 | de-facto | hmm i guess /etc/php/7.3/fpm/pool.d/zzz-custom.conf could overwrite everything? |
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| 02:55.45 | de-facto | hmm nope :/ |
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| 03:04.56 | de-facto | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:11.58 | ryouma | RoyK: believe it or not, i have already solved the hard problem of putting my running debian on any drive a long time ago, and for health reasons cannot open the computer at this time. so it's just a plain question about partitioning / booting / mbr/efi/whatever |
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| 03:15.46 | melpy | health reasons? |
| 03:16.24 | ryouma | i cannot physically open a computer or do anything like that |
| 03:18.35 | ryouma | also, installing and setting up what i had is a huge effort for me (even dist-upgrade is), so i prefer copying my existing running system. and i figured out that part already. even though doing so much more complex than the question i am asking. |
| 03:18.57 | ryouma | (i'm weird) |
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| 03:55.11 | darsie | synaptic asks me for the superuser/fg password. The rood pw doesn't work. What should I do? |
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| 03:55.46 | darsie | set a password for the fg user? |
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| 04:22.53 | darsie | https://blends.debian.org/games/tasks/index.de.html has dead links. |
| 04:23.16 | ryouma | fg is a user on your system? |
| 04:23.23 | darsie | yes |
| 04:23.32 | ryouma | and it has no password? |
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| 04:24.28 | darsie | looks like it has a pw. |
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| 04:24.55 | darsie | Who is fg? |
| 04:25.29 | darsie | hmm, has a home directory. |
| 04:25.59 | darsie | flightgear |
| 04:27.27 | darsie | Synaptic says: "Password for fg:" |
| 04:28.08 | darsie | Looks like I (tried to) install flightgear which wasn't in a debian version. |
| 04:29.48 | darsie | k, I changed the fg pw and it works now. But it shouldn't ask for that users pw. |
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| 04:35.10 | darsie | Hmm, package install claims success, but W: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file '/root/.synaptic/tmp//tmp_sh' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied) |
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| 05:15.34 | darsie | deluser --remove-all-files seems to scan an NFS mount for files to delete. Would deluser delete files of the user on the remote machine with the same id as the user I want to delete? |
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| 05:22.29 | jelly | darsie: yes, if they're accessible and deletable |
| 05:22.38 | darsie | thx |
| 05:22.43 | darsie | I aborted. |
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| 05:23.21 | darsie | Since it said "Looking for files to backup/remove ..." I assume nothing was deleted, yet. |
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| 05:25.45 | b_and_w | HI. :-) 1. are there any specific resources someone can point me to, to learn the difference between roff, troff, groff, and nroff? 2. also, are there any utilities that ship with debian (or linux in general) which can convert either .txt and/or .html files into man/roff/troff/groff/nroff/whatever-it's-called format (iow, the format used by man pages)? |
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| 05:26.52 | jelly | darsie: deluser is a perl script. Looking at the code it seems your assumption might be right. |
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| 05:27.56 | jelly | there's a "Removing files ..." right before unlinking |
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| 05:28.59 | darsie | Haven't hit that. |
| 05:29.10 | ryouma | pandoc? |
| 05:30.14 | ryouma | pandoc can convert stuff b_and_w |
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| 05:35.47 | b_and_w | ryouma: thx. is pandoc a huge utility? |
| 05:35.58 | b_and_w | ryouma: im looking for the smallest tool for the job. i was hoping there would be a GNU coreutil or some bash built in command or something. |
| 05:36.06 | b_and_w | ? |
| 05:36.22 | b_and_w | if not, i will go with pandoc |
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| 05:37.07 | Skuppa | I am trying to schedule a machine to reboot every 3 days, i tried crontab -e and sudo crontab -e with the line "30 1 * * 3 /sbin/shutdown -r now |
| 05:41.51 | rwp | Skuppa, That should work. Does it? |
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| 05:47.21 | b_and_w | ryouma: i just skimmed through their (pandoc) homepage. nice. that IS a lot of formats. |
| 05:47.26 | Skuppa | it doesn't, i have crontab running another hourly task and that one works fine |
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| 05:48.55 | Skuppa | also "sudo /sbin/shutdown -r now" absolutely works rebooting the box from command line |
| 05:48.59 | annadane | maybe it's a problem with sudo in crontabs |
| 05:49.10 | annadane | i've heard of this before, i forget the issue |
| 05:49.16 | CombatVet | Skuppa, run it as root |
| 05:49.47 | annadane | (also reboot is a root thing so no, reboot with crontab -e as your normal user isn't ever going to work) |
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| 05:50.09 | Skuppa | i am not super linux adept, how would you do that |
| 05:50.27 | annadane | become root with su |
| 05:50.29 | annadane | or better, su - |
| 05:50.40 | CombatVet | su - and crontab -e |
| 05:50.41 | annadane | and *then* crontab -e, and it'll be root's crontab |
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| 05:51.36 | annadane | sudo in a script like crontab... it's going to depend on the password for authentication and being a cron job it's not going to prompt, so that'd be why it doesn't work (i think) |
| 05:53.11 | jpw | why use sudo / su in crontabs? |
| 05:53.25 | jpw | configure the crontab to run as that specific user. |
| 05:53.30 | annadane | ^ |
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| 05:56.19 | Skuppa | how would you do that |
| 05:56.53 | annadane | we said it: at your terminal, become root by typing su - <enter>. then, type crontab -e. put all your cron stuff in there, it'll run as root |
| 05:56.58 | annadane | which you need, in order to reboot |
| 05:57.20 | wskyx | you still can reboot from user lvel |
| 05:57.25 | annadane | as your regular user it's just crontab -e as non-root |
| 05:57.26 | wskyx | level |
| 05:57.26 | darxmurf | morning all |
| 05:57.36 | annadane | can you? i didn't know. |
| 05:57.46 | wskyx | well i can from my desktop environment |
| 05:58.00 | wskyx | if my de can do that it's possible using terminal too |
| 05:59.25 | Skuppa | with su - for some reason i dont know the password, i tried sudo passwd and it allows me to change passwd but this doesnt work for su - |
| 06:02.19 | jpw | (as root) crontab (-e | -l) [-u username] |
| 06:02.45 | jpw | or if you want to consolidate coontabs in to a single crontab for seruciry / vsiability you can also specify the user on the crontab line. |
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| 06:03.04 | jpw | m h dom mon dow [user] command |
| 06:03.14 | wskyx | also your crontab line was wrong if you want it once every 3 days |
| 06:03.16 | jpw | obvs only works as root |
| 06:03.29 | alphazulu | should i have cpufreqd installed on a laptop? |
| 06:03.54 | wskyx | yes if you want to change the governor from terminal |
| 06:04.09 | Skuppa | was that not every 3 days at 1:30 |
| 06:04.09 | alphazulu | i keep seeing kernel CPU temperature messages in syslog |
| 06:04.15 | rwp | Skuppa, Since you said "sudo crontab -e" I thought you were editing root's crontab. |
| 06:05.26 | rwp | jpw, sudo is designed to be an interactive command but cron is not interactive when run. By default sudo will need to ask for a password. But sudoers can be configured otherwise of course. But not by default. |
| 06:05.48 | ryouma | b_and_w: bash isn't going to have a builtin for creating man pages. idk about coreutils but you can check info. emacs org can export to man page directly with a plugin or similar. emacs is big but that would work if you already have emacs. |
| 06:06.16 | wskyx | 30 1 * * 1,4,7 |
| 06:06.20 | ryouma | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.32 | wskyx | no, this is wrong too |
| 06:07.00 | wskyx | this will reboot it monday, thursday and sunday |
| 06:07.33 | wskyx | write a script that counts that up and put into /etc/cron.daily |
| 06:07.59 | jpw | rwp: i'm well aware of that. i'm also aware that if you value security you don't put NOPASSWD in to sudoers. |
| 06:08.00 | wskyx | that's the best approach to it, crontab is bad for that task |
| 06:08.01 | rwp | If I am creating a system crontab I always put it in /etc/cron.d/something-local |
| 06:08.25 | rwp | jpw, Right. That is why sudo is almost never appropriate in a crontab command. |
| 06:08.33 | jpw | pretty much yah |
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| 06:09.24 | rwp | It's kind'a like when people set up an ssh-agent for ssh access elsewhere. Then try to run an ssh command in a crontab. Not a good design. Won't normally work. Because it is a detached command without access to the interactive ssh-agent. By default. |
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| 06:10.09 | rwp | I must say "by default" a lot because while it is possible to configure things otherwise doing so isn't usually a good thing. |
| 06:11.23 | jpw | that less so, you can use hsm's to make that kind of setup secure |
| 06:11.37 | jpw | thinks like the nitrokey and yubikey hsm |
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| 06:11.55 | rwp | wskyx, I think you were alluding to something like "test $(( $(date +%j) % 3 )) -eq 0 && echo do it" in a daily crontab to do something every 3rd day throughout the year. :-) |
| 06:12.17 | wskyx | that would do too |
| 06:12.31 | wskyx | i'd just use a script and a text file that contains the number of days |
| 06:12.59 | rwp | jpw, I am not even thinking about security. I just think it's a less than great design to an interactive ssh-agent to a crontab. Instead, think of a better design! :) |
| 06:13.32 | wskyx | every time the text file contains "3" the script is executed it pus 0 there and launches the reboot routine |
| 06:13.46 | wskyx | or puts 1 actuallly |
| 06:13.58 | rwp | Well... Skuppa has left so I hope the problem was solved. |
| 06:14.11 | wskyx | stalin approach |
| 06:14.35 | wskyx | there is a human, there is a problem, no human - no problem |
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| 06:14.46 | rwp | People are the problem! :-) |
| 06:15.16 | wskyx | suspects rwp is a bot nd calls sarrah connor |
| 06:15.35 | rwp | Judgement day is coming! |
| 06:15.42 | rwp | Do you have stairs in your house? |
| 06:15.52 | wskyx | i have no house |
| 06:16.07 | wskyx | living in an apt |
| 06:16.15 | wskyx | in an apt building |
| 06:16.46 | wskyx | but there is staircase riht outside my front door |
| 06:16.54 | rwp | Sorry. It's an in joke. Somewhat like me failing a Turing test. :-) |
| 06:18.34 | rwp | Rebooting from the cron.daily does have a small problem if the reboot happens in the middle of the run. It means that the later tasks don't get run on that day. |
| 06:19.03 | rwp | Soo... It would be good if doing that if the script were ensured to be the last one run that day so that the other scripts in cron.daily didn't get skipped. |
| 06:19.09 | wskyx | you can care about that inside the script |
| 06:19.21 | wskyx | the script can be in memory untill whatever happens |
| 06:19.26 | wskyx | in a loop |
| 06:19.37 | rwp | I don't quite follow. |
| 06:20.08 | wskyx | well you can wait untill the tasks are done by checking the logs were the tasks ran |
| 06:20.17 | wskyx | in a while loop with sleep 1 |
| 06:20.21 | rwp | run-parts is running each script in /etc/cron.daily/* sequentially. |
| 06:20.45 | rwp | Look at /etc/crontab for the invocation that makes cron.daily work. |
| 06:20.46 | wskyx | the script can reside in memory untill then and execute the reboot routing only when all the tasks are done |
| 06:21.03 | rwp | If a script doesn't exit then run-parts won't sequence to the next script in that directory. |
| 06:21.03 | wskyx | cron/dail can run _whatever_ script |
| 06:21.15 | wskyx | you don't quite follow |
| 06:21.24 | wskyx | you just program it all in the script |
| 06:21.48 | rwp | I think you are suggesting that a cron.daily script could launch something in the background which sleeps for long enough and then runs the reboot. |
| 06:22.07 | wskyx | just check the logs until all the tasks are done in a loop |
| 06:22.19 | wskyx | then launch the reboot routine |
| 06:22.27 | rwp | Run that in the background and then exit. run-parts would then sequence to the next script. If the sleep was long enough then all of the daily housekeeping tasks finish before the reboot. |
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| 06:23.17 | rwp | I don't think checking log files is really general enough. But one could check process status listings. Either ps or scan through /proc and wait until cron has no more children listed. |
| 06:24.15 | rwp | Another related thought... I never apply upgrades or reboots in the middle of the night. If things go bad then there is no one around to fix things. So things can end up down for a long time. |
| 06:24.16 | wskyx | whatever gives you the recognition whether the jobs are done already |
| 06:24.32 | wskyx | you can ommit using cron at all |
| 06:24.39 | wskyx | and load the script at boot |
| 06:24.43 | rwp | Therefore I always schedule things like that in the middle of the work day. That way if things don't work people are around to notice and fix it quickly. |
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| 06:25.07 | jpw | don't put upgrades in to cron it will end in tears. use the unattended-upgrades package |
| 06:25.09 | wskyx | well i'm unsure what issue he was fixing in there |
| 06:26.13 | rwp | jpw, Well... long ago I have written my own equivalent of unattended-upgrades. Since I know what my program does I always use it. However if unattended-upgrades were documented better so that it was more easily understood then I might use it. But until then I will continue with my own program. |
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| 06:27.22 | rwp | With all of the years of using Debian I can only recall a few times when I had to step in and prevent a security upgrade from going out. |
| 06:28.50 | rwp | wskyx, Right. What was the problem that a reboot every 3rd day would be solving? |
| 06:28.55 | jpw | the one time for me was when the dedault behavious of mysql joins was changed from right to left (or vice verca i don't remember) |
| 06:29.01 | rwp | Seems like a sledge hammer to kill a fly. |
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| 06:29.19 | jpw | that was a 'fun' weekend |
| 06:29.40 | rwp | The one time for me was a bad sudo "security" upgrade that ended up getting reverted pretty quickly. |
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| 06:30.11 | rwp | jpw, That sounds like a pretty major change in mysql. In Stable? |
| 06:30.42 | rwp | That sounds like the kind of change that should only be allowed in a major suite upgrade from one release to the next. |
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| 06:33.54 | annadane | i'd use unattended-upgrades only for servers |
| 06:33.55 | rwp | Well... Time for me to say goodnight all! It's off to dreamland for me. |
| 06:34.00 | annadane | desktop, i want to see what apt does |
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| 06:38.00 | annadane | i have some stuff in dmesg | grep firmware for which i need the firmware-atheros and firmware-realtek packages, afaik it's mostly to do with wifi, which i don't even really use, is it a good idea to just install them or leave it alone? |
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| 06:39.24 | annadane | https://paste.debian.net/1113552/ |
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| 06:46.05 | lembron | hu, not sure if im just specifically dense right now... but id need a sample of a "basic nftables.conf" for a server... so in closed but ping&ssh, out whatever, rest ded - dont understand how that is not a sample in /usr/share/doc/nftables/examples or such - https://wiki.debian.org/nftables is kinda a joke - and https://wiki.nftables.org/wiki-nftables/index.php/Moving_from_iptables_to_nftables |
| 06:46.06 | lembron | doesnt even contain the word "default" once - how is one supposed to get a grab on any of this... |
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| 07:32.50 | jim | hi... I'm looking to install sphinx, the documentation generator for python projects... I need to know the package name(s)... also, being upfront, this is a crosspost with #python, I'll tell each what the other said |
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| 07:35.49 | jim | so far, they're recommending two things: (1), install it into a python virtual environment... or, install python3-sphinx. |
| 07:36.48 | jim | also, sphinx is a python "package", which is a dir containing python modules, and has the (likely empty) file __init__.py |
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| 07:38.12 | Ede|Popede | jim: i've read the upgrade pdf to buster these days, it mentions python 2 going away and recommends going with 3 now |
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| 07:38.39 | jim | lastly, the sphinx python package can be seen at https://github.com/sphinx-doc/sphinx |
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| 07:39.17 | jim | Ede|Popede, noted... I've been coding in python3 for at least 3-5 years |
| 07:39.29 | Ede|Popede | ah, got it. debianPython 2 (sic!) isn't supported anymore after this year |
| 07:39.46 | Ede|Popede | ah, that's good. so it's not a 2 vs 3 then i guess |
| 07:39.49 | annadane | well, AFAIK it's supposed to go away entirely as of bullseye |
| 07:40.00 | annadane | they wouldn't stop supporting it in the middle of buster |
| 07:40.15 | Ede|Popede | debian hopes to get rid of 2.7 in 11 |
| 07:40.35 | jim | that's probably bullseye |
| 07:40.41 | han-solo | Yep, and use 3.6 as default |
| 07:40.42 | Ede|Popede | indeed |
| 07:40.42 | jelly | jim: both suggestions are valid, virtualenv if you need the latest, or python3-sphinx if the packaged one is good enough. What's your question? |
| 07:40.43 | annadane | it is bullseye, yes. |
| 07:40.48 | annadane | why 3.6? buster uses 3.7 |
| 07:41.04 | han-solo | buster has 3.7, just 3.6 is everywhere |
| 07:41.10 | han-solo | kinda like old 2.7 :) |
| 07:41.13 | annadane | fair enough i guess |
| 07:41.19 | jelly | ,v python3 |
| 07:41.20 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.7.3-1; bullseye: 3.7.5-1; sid: 3.7.5-1; experimental: 3.7.5-2 |
| 07:41.23 | jim | jelly, I'm trying to help someone find the man page for youtube-dl |
| 07:41.37 | han-solo | Yeah, i hadto install 3.6 from source |
| 07:41.37 | annadane | ...what |
| 07:41.44 | han-solo | they jumped :) |
| 07:42.13 | jim | buster has 3.7 now? |
| 07:42.25 | annadane | it does |
| 07:42.26 | Ede|Popede | jim, it is in the package with everything in it at least, top level |
| 07:42.45 | kfvn_ | has anyone tried Debian on the thinkpad p1 gen2? It's not on the /installingdebianon/thinkpad so I hope to find some luck here |
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| 07:43.54 | han-solo | well, i can't see any breaking changes between 3.6 and 3.7, expect a small one mainly |
| 07:44.08 | han-solo | so better use 3.6, i guess, which will most probably will work for 3.6 as well |
| 07:44.15 | han-solo | er, 3.7 |
| 07:44.26 | han-solo | which will most likelyw ork for 3.6 as well |
| 07:44.43 | annadane | or just use 3.7 unless you absolutely have to use 3.6 |
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| 07:45.08 | han-solo | Yeah, using 3.7 is fine, i guess. |
| 07:45.10 | jim | no doubt :) I seem to have py3.7.3 |
| 07:45.46 | han-solo | 3.8 is out, and it has a few major new things, so i think that's something |
| 07:46.10 | annadane | it's mainly just compiling stuff in debian against python whatever |
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| 07:46.16 | ratrace | 3.7 has some breaking changes for programs using async |
| 07:46.20 | annadane | if you want another python version just get it from source |
| 07:46.24 | han-solo | it's a keyword now |
| 07:46.29 | ratrace | ya |
| 07:46.29 | jelly | jim: why are you doing this and not them? How is youtube-dl installed? Which Debian release? |
| 07:46.47 | han-solo | i think, most were aware than, async will be keyword even when using 3.6 |
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| 07:46.56 | annadane | (though that being said python really doesn't have clear answers on how to do that lol) |
| 07:47.01 | han-solo | async/await |
| 07:47.22 | han-solo | annadane: the usual answer is `pyenv` |
| 07:47.35 | annadane | i've seen anaconda recommended too |
| 07:47.37 | ratrace | han-solo: there were some reports here already about some major pakcages breaking on buster due to that.... eh... what was it... telegram? |
| 07:47.38 | annadane | and 9 other solutions |
| 07:47.40 | jelly | jim: why not just point them at https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/blob/master/README.md |
| 07:47.53 | jim | jelly, it looks like -I- have both the package and the git clone of it... when I say which youtube-dl, it shows the one from the repo |
| 07:47.54 | annadane | yep. you want to be using the latest youtube-dl, anyway |
| 07:47.57 | han-solo | but i get from source, which went smooth as far |
| 07:47.58 | annadane | a lot breaks without it |
| 07:48.16 | han-solo | ratrace: can't recall |
| 07:48.47 | ratrace | han-solo: well anyway, there's that, with the async thing. didn't see any other issues. |
| 07:48.47 | jim | jelly, I want to show him how to generate the docs for it, and before I can do that, I need to know how myself :) |
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| 07:49.05 | han-solo | ratrace: Yeah, i don't see any other major things |
| 07:49.37 | han-solo | well, atleast 2.7 is on it's way out. So that's a great step forward |
| 07:49.38 | jim | annadane, yep, all I have to do is run git pull in there |
| 07:49.40 | Ede|Popede | "youtube-dl installed". throws a heavy parsing error here. even greycat is in favour of getting it upstream due to its release cycle, and he's usually the first one to call up for !frankendebian ;) |
| 07:49.51 | han-solo | 2.x |
| 07:50.13 | han-solo | Ede|Popede: what's the error ? Is it on git ? |
| 07:50.13 | jelly | jim: how is that close to a debian-specific issue? |
| 07:50.43 | Ede|Popede | han-solo: no problems here |
| 07:51.52 | jim | jelly, I was gonna give him the man page I have, which was installed from a debian package in the archive |
| 07:51.54 | ratrace | jim: you can pip install it fresh new in a virtualenv |
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| 07:52.22 | jim | ratrace, yep :) |
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| 07:52.54 | han-solo | Ede|Popede: Okay |
| 07:53.02 | annadane | i use python3-venv and weekly cron job |
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| 07:54.08 | annadane | 0 0 * * 6 /usr/local/youtube-dl/bin/pip install --upgrade youtube-dl && cp /usr/local/youtube-dl/bin/youtube-dl /usr/local/bin |
| 07:55.18 | han-solo | you could just `ln -s` it ? |
| 07:55.22 | jelly | annadane: why not a symlink |
| 07:55.33 | han-solo | oh, so it was not just me :) |
| 07:55.52 | annadane | link it to what? |
| 07:56.05 | jelly | /usr/local/youtube-dl/bin/youtube-dl |
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| 07:56.50 | annadane | 0 0 * * 6 /usr/local/youtube-dl/bin/pip instal --upgrade youtube-dl && ln -s /usr/local/youtube-dl/bin/pip /usr/local/youtube-dl/bin/youtube-dl? |
| 07:57.00 | eb0t | hey when installing google chrome on buster should i use this method https://computingforgeeks.com/install-google-chrome-browser-on-debian/ |
| 07:57.26 | eb0t | i normally use firefox but for some reason it is slowing my machine down |
| 07:57.39 | Ede|Popede | annadane, where does that pip executable come from? is it the normal one linked/copied (in)to that subdirectory? |
| 07:58.02 | annadane | what? |
| 07:58.08 | jelly | annadane: make a symlink once. Never run anything but the first part of the command again |
| 07:58.42 | jelly | annadane: link this -> /usr/local/youtube-dl/bin/youtube-dl there -> /usr/local/bin |
| 07:59.20 | annadane | well, i'd link it to /usr/local/bin/placeholderyoutubedlname |
| 07:59.29 | jelly | why? |
| 07:59.47 | jelly | what's wrong with "youtube-dl" as executable name? |
| 07:59.50 | annadane | because you're asking me to link the entire /usr/local/bin directory? i'm assuming i'm missing something |
| 07:59.55 | han-solo | Ede|Popede: I think, he created a virtualenv |
| 07:59.56 | Ede|Popede | annadane: /usr/local/youtube-dl/bin/pip |
| 08:00.23 | annadane | because i'm using pip to upgrade youtube-dl... |
| 08:00.24 | han-solo | `python3 -m venv /usr/local/youtube-dl` |
| 08:01.05 | jelly | !symlink |
| 08:01.05 | dpkg | Symlink rule of thumb / The link must be at the end / The filename comes first, or ln -sn target linkname |
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| 08:01.55 | jelly | annadane: /usr/local/bin is the destination where symlink will be put. If it's a directory, ln -s will create a link with the same name as the target |
| 08:02.06 | annadane | okay, yeah, i didn't know that |
| 08:02.35 | annadane | still, none of this really matters, it all comes down to the same thing |
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| 08:03.26 | Ede|Popede | ah. i think i installt virtualenv once and found it disgusting. clobbered *every* user's environment with tons of functions from inside /etc/profile.d or where it was. |
| 08:03.36 | Ede|Popede | installed even |
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| 08:03.51 | jelly | I'd even go with ln -s ../youtube-dl/bin/youtube-dl /usr/local/bin |
| 08:04.23 | annadane | there's no compelling technical argument for other than "less typing when setting up your crontab -e"? |
| 08:04.29 | annadane | for it* |
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| 08:04.46 | han-solo | well, why copy when you can link :) |
| 08:04.46 | annadane | i'm all in favor of good habits, though |
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| 08:05.17 | annadane | i'll keep it in mind, i just don't feel like changing it on this machine now that it's already set up |
| 08:05.29 | jelly | useless use of cp |
| 08:06.34 | jelly | and some disk space is wasted on an additional copy of a file |
| 08:07.28 | annadane | okay so i'll delete /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl, ln -s /usr/local/youtube-dl/bin/youtube-dl /usr/local/bin and disable the cp entry in my crontab |
| 08:07.36 | han-solo | haha |
| 08:07.38 | han-solo | Yay! |
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| 08:08.03 | annadane | making me do work grumble grumble |
| 08:08.04 | Ede|Popede | symlink or hardlink in this case? |
| 08:08.20 | annadane | idk. |
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| 08:09.01 | fredl | hi folks. |
| 08:09.02 | Ede|Popede | usually i prefer to see more than "there's a link pointing to something" |
| 08:09.36 | annadane | well i'll follow whatever recommendations, i never expected to get into this debate in the first place |
| 08:10.15 | fredl | I'd like to install Debian in a chroot on my phone |
| 08:10.23 | fredl | https://wiki.debian.org/ChrootOnAndroid |
| 08:10.25 | jim | Ede|Popede, ln -s makes a symlink |
| 08:10.37 | han-solo | i think, a symlink since, no need to do anything after upgrade ? |
| 08:10.38 | Ede|Popede | annadane: well, it wasn't the spanish inquisition at least |
| 08:10.42 | fredl | Problem is my phone doesn't have an SD card. Any suggestions how else to get it on there? |
| 08:10.52 | Ede|Popede | jim: i know, it is only about the BCP for such a situation |
| 08:10.57 | han-solo | or, wait, |
| 08:11.07 | jim | put a sdcard in there first? |
| 08:11.09 | annadane | i quit debian forever, and moving back into the caves |
| 08:11.21 | fredl | jim - I mean it doesn't have an SD slot :) |
| 08:11.27 | jim | annadane, aww... |
| 08:11.50 | jim | fredl, EBADPHONE! |
| 08:12.02 | fredl | Just a Nexus... |
| 08:12.51 | jim | is that shapmoo? |
| 08:14.04 | han-solo | annadane: use a symlink :) |
| 08:14.12 | annadane | https://paste.debian.net/1113564/ |
| 08:14.21 | han-solo | create a symlink once, and keep upgrading only :) |
| 08:14.31 | annadane | oh because i forgot to delete it |
| 08:14.43 | han-solo | :) |
| 08:16.00 | annadane | thanks i just wasted a whole 10 minutes of my life |
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| 08:17.18 | annadane | why use good practice when you can be lazy??? |
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| 08:17.43 | mrmaks | Hi. Who was run LCD panel Innolux N116HSE-EBC? This LCD panel from Lenovo ThinkSmart Hub 500. |
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| 08:17.58 | saber88 | Hello, i need to ask about if anyone know something better than that script. https://easyengine.io/ |
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| 08:18.43 | saber88 | i need to host php websites and WordPress, this script is so easy and good but the devs is not that active |
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| 08:19.03 | saber88 | i need to know if there is something better |
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| 08:25.27 | ratrace | saber88: script that does what? |
| 08:26.04 | saber88 | easy install for WordPress or php website in general |
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| 08:26.39 | saber88 | i have to host a lot of php websites |
| 08:26.44 | ratrace | well, apt install wordpress does it on debian, if that's sufficient for you |
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| 08:30.53 | annadane | to be clear i'm joking |
| 08:30.57 | annadane | this is good to know |
| 08:31.16 | fredl | Hrmm I just did a debootstrap and tarred it up, then adb push'ed it to the phone and untarred it... |
| 08:31.49 | fredl | but seems somehow I can't change permissions of files on the phone |
| 08:32.18 | fredl | which... is rather odd if you ask me... |
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| 08:37.13 | fredl | aha... success |
| 08:37.15 | fredl | sorta |
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| 10:54.45 | chieta | how to know that my apt-get dist-upgrade is still running or not? the process is still listed on the top command? |
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| 11:02.49 | rav30 | hey all |
| 11:02.53 | rav30 | i have an issue |
| 11:02.58 | rav30 | I fresh installed debian netinst |
| 11:03.05 | rav30 | But now I have extremely slow internet |
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| 11:03.25 | rav30 | Wifi doesnât work, so the only way Iâm connected is through USB tethering |
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| 11:03.41 | rav30 | The thing is Wifi worked fine in the installer |
| 11:03.54 | han-solo | ps aux | grep 'apt-get' # should do ? |
| 11:03.54 | rav30 | Now, when I actually have Debian itâs not working |
| 11:04.04 | rav30 | huh? |
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| 11:04.23 | han-solo | rav30: sorry, that was not for you |
| 11:04.26 | rav30 | ah okay |
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| 11:04.39 | rav30 | anyways, but even the usb tethering is extremely slow |
| 11:04.48 | rav30 | I canât even go to google |
| 11:05.02 | rav30 | can anyone please help, please!!! |
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| 11:05.27 | Ede|Popede | chieta: cpu usage, maybe by looking at its open file descriptors (htop is a handy tool here) |
| 11:05.35 | rav30 | important deets: iâm using debian 10 from netinst, and my wifi adapter is the mt7601 |
| 11:05.45 | rav30 | but all networking is slow rn |
| 11:05.48 | rav30 | halp |
| 11:05.55 | chieta | checking Ede|Popede |
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| 11:07.03 | rav30 | hello? Bump |
| 11:07.31 | rav30 | i really wanna know how to fix this (iâve had this issue so many times on debian, and only debian it happens) |
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| 11:07.49 | rav30 | i keep switching to other distros whose internet works but I really wanna use debian |
| 11:08.13 | rav30 | the most infuriating thing is that this issue affects all networking |
| 11:08.17 | rav30 | not just wifi |
| 11:08.25 | rav30 | but also ethernet and usb tethering |
| 11:09.49 | rav30 | hello? is anyone there? |
| 11:09.58 | annadane | yes, but not everyone can instantly respond |
| 11:10.18 | rav30 | sorry sorry its just that its really late and i havent had sleep since yesterday |
| 11:10.26 | rav30 | trying to figure this out |
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| 11:10.56 | annadane | if it's *only* debian i'd assume it's a missing firmware issue but you said you had access during the install, so... |
| 11:11.03 | rav30 | i know right |
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| 11:11.30 | rav30 | the thing is the wifi is recognized in installed debian |
| 11:11.31 | rav30 | but |
| 11:11.36 | rav30 | it just wont connect |
| 11:11.37 | chieta | ping Ede|Popede... it's on D state? |
| 11:11.44 | chieta | the apt one process |
| 11:11.57 | rav30 | it always ends up as ânetwork has been disconnectedâ |
| 11:12.15 | rav30 | iâve tried the nonfree images, the nonfree live image, NONE OF THEM WORK |
| 11:12.25 | rav30 | they all have the same issue |
| 11:12.42 | rav30 | networking is extremely slow and I have no idea why |
| 11:13.29 | Ede|Popede | chieta: dead. have this often when everything is overloaded again. lack of ram, swapping out, if i'm in luck, it happens while i'm about to copy a huge file, often it is firefox while closing down after a long time. usually they come back here at some point. |
| 11:13.41 | rav30 | help |
| 11:13.56 | rav30 | is there anything I can do to fix this |
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| 11:15.30 | rav30 | Hi hi sorry it disconnected |
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| 11:15.42 | rav30 | anyways yeah i have no idea how to fix this |
| 11:15.49 | rav30 | the nonfree images also have this issue |
| 11:15.50 | Ede|Popede | rav30: if it works with the installer then i'd say it is either some driver used there or some default setting not present in the default installation |
| 11:16.23 | rav30 | but what do I do |
| 11:16.37 | annadane | just for fun, you can at least check dmesg | grep firmware |
| 11:16.40 | rav30 | all networking and internet is slow |
| 11:16.43 | rav30 | not just wifi |
| 11:16.44 | rav30 | ok |
| 11:17.08 | Ede|Popede | wait for someone who knows what specific firmware you may need or try to find out the differences between the installer and the normal system here |
| 11:17.09 | rav30 | one sec |
| 11:17.17 | annadane | sorry... if i knew more, i'd sure give advice on it |
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| 11:19.48 | rav30 | hi hi hi |
| 11:19.52 | rav30 | it disconnected again |
| 11:19.54 | rav30 | im so sorry |
| 11:20.05 | rav30 | anyways here is the output of dmesg grep firmware |
| 11:20.12 | rav30 | https://imgur.com/a/r5NgXYY |
| 11:20.30 | annadane | the image... doesn't load. lovely. |
| 11:20.31 | rav30 | help |
| 11:20.37 | rav30 | oh |
| 11:20.41 | rav30 | one moment |
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| 11:22.02 | rav30 | https://ibb.co/T1DWsVK |
| 11:22.09 | rav30 | here |
| 11:22.12 | rav30 | the image should work |
| 11:22.23 | annadane | apt install firmware-realtek, reboot |
| 11:22.32 | annadane | (not with the comma, i mean reboot after you do that) |
| 11:23.08 | rav30 | e: unable to locate package firmware-realtek |
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| 11:23.39 | rav30 | anyways this network is extremely slow anyways |
| 11:23.39 | annadane | apt edit-sources, put contrib non-free next to your entries |
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| 11:23.54 | rav30 | is it possible to download the deb and just dpkg it |
| 11:23.56 | annadane | then close the editor and 'apt update' |
| 11:24.15 | rav30 | e:invalid operation edit-sources |
| 11:24.15 | annadane | probably, yeah, but i wouldn't think that'd be any faster |
| 11:24.26 | rav30 | no, i can hop on over to my other computer |
| 11:24.31 | annadane | uh, what... |
| 11:24.36 | rav30 | and then download the deb, transfer it to my pc and then install it |
| 11:24.56 | rav30 | im not kidding thats what it literally says |
| 11:25.03 | Ede|Popede | but check for dependencies |
| 11:25.09 | rav30 | unless you meant find the sources list itself? |
| 11:25.27 | annadane | well, try nano /etc/apt/sources.list then |
| 11:25.45 | annadane | anyway, assuming you're on buster, http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-realtek_20190114-2_all.deb |
| 11:25.57 | annadane | (i don't think there *are* any dependencies, that shouldn't be an issue) |
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| 11:26.55 | rav30 | one moment let me try that |
| 11:27.02 | Ede|Popede | are firmwares free of them? the only non-free thing i ever used was some nvidia blob years ago |
| 11:27.18 | annadane | idk. |
| 11:27.29 | annadane | i just know of firmware-realtek because i've installed it and it's only ever installed that |
| 11:28.01 | rav30 | i wish there was a debian discord server lol |
| 11:28.05 | rav30 | irc is so hard |
| 11:28.43 | FinalX | never going back to Discord again, intrusive piece of crap |
| 11:28.49 | Ede|Popede | ah, nice. i have a non-networked pc i ran for some time from live and that's how i also added some really needed tools there. took some time to get all the dependencies for all of them xD |
| 11:28.49 | rav30 | eh |
| 11:29.09 | FinalX | can't even disable it hooking into audio equipment.. there's simply no options for it |
| 11:29.11 | annadane | irc is an open protocol, discord is closed, i know what i prefer |
| 11:29.16 | annadane | unfortunately network effects blah blah blah |
| 11:29.28 | FinalX | I don't want it to take over my audio equipment just because some Discord channel has voice chat enabled |
| 11:29.48 | Ede|Popede | and irc is text only, discord is electron crap |
| 11:30.04 | FinalX | plus my guild on WoW was raiding and Discord didn't work properly with the voice chat for half the team while they were in the middle of a fight, they all went back to TS3 right after |
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| 11:30.31 | FinalX | Discord changes my audio output settings, too, suddenly had phone stero instead of regular audio on my BT headset, etc. |
| 11:30.41 | FinalX | like wtf, don't touch it unless I tell you to. and no option to diable it touching it either. |
| 11:30.42 | rav30 | what is ts3 |
| 11:30.43 | annadane | re: firmware dependencies, you're talking about really small units, so i wouldn't expect dependencies |
| 11:30.48 | annadane | obviously nvidia pulls in a million things |
| 11:30.54 | Ede|Popede | heh. definitely better. had TS for some time, ressources never were an issue. start electron and watch everything slowing down thanks to swapping |
| 11:30.54 | FinalX | teamspeak |
| 11:31.17 | FinalX | I have a 500-user license for TS, works great.. multiple guilds on the same server, don't even notice it resource-wise. |
| 11:31.21 | annadane | 'apt depends firmware-realtek' doesn't have anything |
| 11:31.32 | FinalX | and neither do they, it just works |
| 11:32.14 | Ede|Popede | using electron first of all means "we don't care" |
| 11:32.26 | annadane | at least on irc you can begin with a discussion of a frustrating internet problem and end up bitching about discord and bad features |
| 11:32.33 | FinalX | haha |
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| 11:33.18 | Ede|Popede | had a look at Franz when it came up, nice idea, one client to tame them all. but only activating some modules (not even connecting to any server) had to be paid with a lot of load. |
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| 11:33.43 | Ede|Popede | (why Franz? well, electron again) |
| 11:33.52 | annadane | there's kinda no such thing as 'free as in beer but also we will guarantee we'll always act in the interests of the user' |
| 11:34.01 | annadane | i half expect signal to start tracking people and showing ad |
| 11:34.02 | annadane | s |
| 11:34.28 | Ede|Popede | yeah, the old "the devs don't owe you anything" |
| 11:34.47 | annadane | which is true but like, to talk to my friends on discord or whatever other walled garden i need to use it |
| 11:34.53 | annadane | "just switch" doesn't work, sorry |
| 11:34.55 | Ede|Popede | which is literally correct, but things should still be done the right way |
| 11:35.44 | annadane | i don't know if GDPR has problems or not but at least it will *start* marketing departments on the right direction of "hey, don't treat consumers like an asshole" |
| 11:35.45 | Ede|Popede | it's not even about the software, but of the data you exchange, if in form of a file or stream |
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| 11:36.31 | Ede|Popede | i don't think it will affect the real big ones. france makes fb pay some millions, who cares. |
| 11:36.48 | annadane | so uh... did rav fix the problem? :P |
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| 11:37.09 | Ede|Popede | and half of the people responsible don't care, while the other half has no clue about this "internet" |
| 11:37.29 | Ede|Popede | rav30, how's it working? |
| 11:38.03 | annadane | discord was also meant to be the skype replacement, which people abandoned because it is basically the single worst piece of software i've ever used |
| 11:38.06 | annadane | (thanks, microsoft) |
| 11:38.28 | rav30 | im rebooting rn |
| 11:38.35 | rav30 | figers crossed |
| 11:38.46 | annadane | looks at arthritic hands |
| 11:38.56 | han-solo | we still use skype for internal meetings, going Okayish |
| 11:39.25 | Ede|Popede | i had to drop it twice: first time when they switched to "pulseaudio only" until i got this thing running, then later again when they switched to electron. a messenger in need of a dedicated machine, that's ridiculous. |
| 11:40.05 | rav30 | ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME |
| 11:40.07 | rav30 | it doesnt work |
| 11:40.10 | rav30 | UGHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 11:40.24 | annadane | what did you do? install it via apt or through downloading the .deb? |
| 11:40.26 | Ede|Popede | still doesn't load? |
| 11:40.36 | rav30 | downloading the deb |
| 11:40.43 | annadane | you did dpkg -i? |
| 11:40.44 | rav30 | it installed fine i suppose |
| 11:40.46 | rav30 | yes |
| 11:41.02 | rav30 | the only thing weird is that it spouted stuff about nvidia firmware |
| 11:41.08 | rav30 | but that shouldnât be relevant |
| 11:41.09 | annadane | well, i'm out of ideas. at least people are waking up now on the east coast so if you stick around you may get some answerd |
| 11:41.11 | annadane | answers |
| 11:41.18 | rav30 | oh nooooo |
| 11:41.22 | rav30 | FUUUUU |
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| 11:41.39 | annadane | hey FinalX, any hints? you're much smarter than i am |
| 11:41.52 | rav30 | maybe its a network config thing? |
| 11:41.56 | Ede|Popede | someone was mentioning 'apt install' as better alternative to 'dpkg -i' though i don't remember exactly why. |
| 11:42.00 | rav30 | this also happened to me in void install |
| 11:42.19 | han-solo | Ede|Popede: takes care of dependencies ? |
| 11:42.21 | rav30 | when I was trying out void linux an extremely similar issue happened |
| 11:42.30 | Ede|Popede | han-solo: ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 11:43.13 | han-solo | i don't think, dpkg resolves dependencies on teh fly, i mean, it doesn't install atleast. But apt certainly can, i'd guess |
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| 11:43.38 | rav30 | help |
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| 11:43.44 | annadane | rav30, if people here really don't know then try ##linux |
| 11:43.50 | annadane | it has more people |
| 11:44.10 | rav30 | HNGNGNRNUWUFNJSUAHWBDKIC |
| 11:44.18 | Ede|Popede | i used dpkg -l on that other machine, had just some .deb files in a directory, netsurf didn't install due to missing deps. well, dpkg complained about it. |
| 11:44.20 | rav30 | its 3am in the morning where I live |
| 11:44.35 | rav30 | i really wanna get this done. does anyone have any ideas plz |
| 11:44.39 | Ede|Popede | !ugt |
| 11:44.39 | dpkg | Universal Greeting Time (UGT) asserts that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. |
| 11:44.52 | rav30 | ? |
| 11:45.04 | rav30 | no idea what that means |
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| 11:45.17 | Ede|Popede | 3am is an argument if you feel like bedtime, but at any local time there may be someone around |
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| 11:46.01 | Ede|Popede | so if you feel tired maybe it would be best you'd stop it for now and retry later when you're fit again |
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| 11:46.28 | rav30 | nooooo |
| 11:46.32 | annadane | it's a weekday, and it's early morning on the east coast when people are waking up, so i bet there'll be some people coming in. |
| 11:47.44 | rav30 | what default network system does debian use |
| 11:47.53 | rav30 | (i.e, network manager) |
| 11:47.59 | rav30 | how do I switch to another one |
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| 11:48.14 | rav30 | because fedora, arch, and ubuntu all work with my wifi |
| 11:48.19 | rav30 | that must be the issue i think |
| 11:48.32 | rav30 | Help |
| 11:48.55 | rav30 | how do I switch from whatever extremely shitty network system debian has to one that works with my hardware |
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| 11:49.33 | annadane | what desktop are you using, and do you know which program you're trying to use to connect? |
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| 11:49.59 | annadane | (latter question is more important, really) |
| 11:50.03 | rav30 | sorry went offline again |
| 11:50.09 | rav30 | you were saying? |
| 11:50.10 | annadane | do you know which program you're trying to use to connect? |
| 11:50.26 | rav30 | well, I have debian xfce if that helps |
| 11:50.37 | annadane | did you select 'xfce' within the installer? |
| 11:50.42 | rav30 | Yes |
| 11:50.45 | annadane | okay, one moment |
| 11:51.16 | annadane | "recommends: network-manager-gnome" |
| 11:51.37 | rav30 | so do I install that? |
| 11:51.53 | annadane | no, that's what's already installed |
| 11:51.58 | annadane | i'm looking for alternatives |
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| 11:53.11 | annadane | i suppose you can try wicd-gtk |
| 11:53.24 | annadane | (keep in mind i'm not an expert in this, sorry) |
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| 11:53.52 | sponix | annadane: you should be |
| 11:54.04 | annadane | !lart sponix |
| 11:54.05 | dpkg | hauls sponix up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 11:54.34 | sponix | rav30: are you using Wireless for your network ? |
| 11:55.20 | annadane | i know some people really don't like network-manager so while i wouldn't think using a different tool would make a difference normally... |
| 11:55.35 | rav30 | yes but also no |
| 11:55.36 | Ede|Popede | heh. my nm-applet was gone. again. didn't even realize it. |
| 11:55.45 | rav30 | i do have wifi but it doesnt work |
| 11:55.52 | rav30 | But i also have usb tethering from my phone |
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| 11:55.57 | rav30 | That doesnt work either |
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| 11:57.29 | sponix | rav30: this on a laptop ? |
| 11:57.40 | rav30 | no |
| 11:57.41 | rav30 | Desktop |
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| 11:58.52 | rav31 | hello |
| 11:58.54 | sponix | rav30: sudo install inxi && inxi -Nxx | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 11:59.03 | rav31 | i'm on my laptop now so I can type much faster |
| 11:59.06 | sponix | drop the link provided here |
| 11:59.09 | rav31 | one moment |
| 11:59.12 | rav31 | wait |
| 11:59.18 | rav31 | i can't download shit because it's so slow |
| 11:59.20 | rav31 | uhhh |
| 11:59.31 | sponix | That should be very small |
| 11:59.32 | rav31 | one sec |
| 11:59.50 | Megaf | Hi all, I accidentally removed the /dev/initctl file, is that too bad? |
| 11:59.54 | loupe | I would like to know how to recommend a software for inclusion into Debian. This is the software: |
| 11:59.55 | loupe | https://sourceforge.net/projects/drm/ |
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| 12:00.37 | sponix | ,v drm |
| 12:00.38 | judd | No package named 'drm' was found in amd64. |
| 12:00.42 | ratrace | Megaf: /dev stuff repopulates on boot |
| 12:00.55 | ratrace | meanwhile it seems to be a symlink into /run |
| 12:01.02 | rav31 | sponix by sudo install you mean sudo apt install right? |
| 12:01.10 | Megaf | So I figured, but just to be sure, thanks |
| 12:01.13 | sponix | rav31: Yeah |
| 12:01.16 | annadane | loupe, we're not developers, most of us. take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging |
| 12:01.21 | jelly | !rfp |
| 12:01.21 | dpkg | Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. The best way of getting software packaged is to do it yourself: ask me about <nmg>. |
| 12:01.25 | annadane | yeah, or that. |
| 12:01.25 | jelly | loupe: ^ |
| 12:01.40 | ratrace | dearmotherofpenguin, initctl that's upstart.... still in buster.... |
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| 12:02.35 | rav31 | I might as well recap what's going on here. I have extremely slow internet. All methods of connection share the issue; Wifi, Ethernet, USB Tethering. |
| 12:02.44 | rav31 | I do get internet, but it's very very extremely slow |
| 12:02.56 | rav31 | Like, can't even reach front page of youtube slow |
| 12:03.16 | annadane | rav31 shared the output of dmesg | grep firmware, i said to install firmware-realtek, which was installed via dpkg -i, and the problem has apparently persisted |
| 12:03.18 | rav31 | I'm checking apt right now as it's downloading and it seems I'm getting around 8b per second |
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| 12:03.46 | han-solo | rav31: been there, so long ago :) |
| 12:04.00 | rav31 | han-solo well what did you do to fix it? |
| 12:04.11 | han-solo | i mean, the 8b per second |
| 12:04.16 | rav31 | oof |
| 12:04.51 | rav31 | @spo |
| 12:05.04 | rav31 | sponix even installing the thing is taking forever |
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| 12:05.19 | rav31 | i don't think i'll be able to as it's downloading some dependencies |
| 12:05.41 | sponix | rav31: hard to tell what you need without knowing your hardware :) |
| 12:05.54 | sponix | annadane: you know his stuff is realtek ? |
| 12:05.59 | annadane | yep |
| 12:06.01 | annadane | it was rtl_nic |
| 12:06.07 | rav31 | I have a MediaTek mt7601u wifi adapter |
| 12:06.11 | rav31 | and a realtek ethernet adapter |
| 12:06.14 | rav31 | both of which don't work |
| 12:06.23 | rav31 | the wifi doesn't connect at all |
| 12:06.32 | rav31 | and ethernet / usb tethering "works" but with extremely slow speeds |
| 12:06.39 | sponix | annadane: you go over how to add contrib non-free to sources.list -- so he can install that firmware package ? |
| 12:06.53 | annadane | yep |
| 12:06.54 | rav31 | she did but uhhh |
| 12:06.57 | rav31 | it didn't work |
| 12:07.04 | rav31 | my mirror that i'm using is mirror.rise.ph i think |
| 12:07.05 | annadane | https://ibb.co/T1DWsVK is the relevant screenshot |
| 12:07.09 | rav31 | since it's the one thats closes to my country |
| 12:07.16 | jelly | rav31: mt7610u ? It's a pain in the ass to make it work, get a better wifi stick |
| 12:07.31 | rav31 | ikr, but it's cheap af |
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| 12:07.39 | rav31 | don't have money for a wifi card |
| 12:07.46 | rav31 | and at least this one has a lot of people using it |
| 12:07.53 | annadane | rav31 also said that the installer and all that was fine *shrug* |
| 12:08.02 | rav31 | i had a very similar internet issue with void linux |
| 12:08.05 | annadane | yet was really slow when the system was actually booted into |
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| 12:08.16 | rav31 | so maybe again, its because they might use the same shitty network config |
| 12:08.22 | rav31 | so i might switch to a new one |
| 12:08.45 | jelly | find an atheros-based one if you can |
| 12:09.31 | rav31 | okay, but that still doesn't explain why ALL internet for debian is shit |
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| 12:09.45 | rav31 | fedora, ubuntu, manjaro, even fucking arch works with it |
| 12:09.58 | rav31 | it's just debian and void that are not working with my networking hardware |
| 12:10.11 | annadane | if that mirror is in the sources.list, presumably it means the same mirror was used for the install... |
| 12:10.21 | annadane | i *guess* you can try switching to deb.debian.org |
| 12:10.30 | jelly | rav31: missing firmware, and possibly older kernel |
| 12:10.36 | jelly | but usually it's firmware |
| 12:10.50 | annadane | yeah hence my saying to install firmware-realtek |
| 12:10.56 | rav31 | ubuntu 18 has the same kernel as debian 10 |
| 12:10.58 | rav31 | yet that works |
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| 12:11.34 | jelly | as for mt7610u it doesn't work _reliably_ well even with the driver |
| 12:11.37 | jelly | and firmware |
| 12:12.13 | rav31 | i mean i have downloaded entire 20gb games with that thing |
| 12:12.19 | rav31 | ON LINUX |
| 12:12.51 | jelly | that's good news, at least it works for someone |
| 12:13.52 | sponix | rav31: Ubuntu ships with "nonfree" firmware .. Debian 10 does not (has it split off) |
| 12:14.25 | rav31 | that's not it |
| 12:14.42 | rav31 | because I SPECIFICALLY downloaded the nonfree debian image |
| 12:14.47 | rav31 | and it still has the same issue |
| 12:14.51 | sponix | odd |
| 12:14.54 | rav31 | ikr |
| 12:15.02 | rav31 | i might just switch to fedora or something idk |
| 12:15.29 | rav31 | they do have a really good discord server |
| 12:15.42 | rav31 | (but I like debian's stance on free software more) |
| 12:15.46 | sponix | rav31: you might try booting the "MX Linux" live USB installer stick, and see if it does better for you network wise out of the box. It is _based_ on Debian 10, but has extras |
| 12:15.47 | rav31 | although fedora is close enough |
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| 12:16.57 | rav31 | the thing is I do want my operating system to be as close to free software as possible |
| 12:17.14 | rav31 | i am making an exception for nonfree firmware |
| 12:17.18 | rav31 | since thats necessary |
| 12:17.38 | rav31 | but like, for example I can't use arch, since it mixes some nonfree stuff in its normal repositories |
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| 12:17.46 | rav31 | would like the main repository and nonfree one to be seperate |
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| 12:19.15 | annadane | i am actually gonna reboot for a minute, brb (though i doubt i'm very much help to you anyway) |
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| 12:20.00 | rav3119 | hi sorry it disconnected |
| 12:20.02 | rav3119 | brb for a sec |
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| 13:03.29 | MarioMey | Hello, there. I have this command I want to use to convert 3gp files to mp4 without reencoding. It doesn't work (I think) because spaces in paths and files names. How to fix it? |
| 13:03.32 | MarioMey | find . -name "*.3gp" | while read f; do echo "Converting $f"; ffmpeg -i "$f" -c:v copy -c:a copy "${f:0: -4}.mp4"; done |
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| 13:05.00 | dvs | MarioMey, Use the -exec option for find? |
| 13:05.27 | themill | !using find |
| 13:05.27 | dpkg | using find is probably http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind or "man find" |
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| 13:38.24 | unixfu- | ok so i have debian 10, i have installed vlc, but when going to Places in mate desktop.. whenever i choose to browse a directory under Places thru the panel, it launches vlc.. hmm maybe it's my auto default for opening a dir somehow got switched, hehe |
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| 13:38.55 | unixfu- | so when i try to goto my home folder in Places in mate desktop, it wants to load each file in my homedir into vlc queue list, :/ |
| 13:39.29 | unixfu- | instead of popping up caja or equal filebrowser |
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| 13:39.49 | unixfu- | it opens vlc and loads my homedir files into vlc queue list, hmmmf |
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| 13:40.38 | Ede|Popede | unixfu-: mate should have something similar to xfce's mime type editor (would probably be inode/directory) |
| 13:40.57 | unixfu- | yah i lookn around |
| 13:41.14 | unixfu- | not that big of an issue, i just didnt want the bug to go unnoticed if it is a bug.. that's all.. ^_^ |
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| 13:41.34 | unixfu- | i'm the reason the paths of the shell hafta be encapsulated now ' ' hehe |
| 13:41.50 | unixfu- | i'll keep you guys up2date if i find anymore bugs, thx |
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| 13:42.31 | Ede|Popede | hm, there may be multiple options what to do with a specific mime type... like for a directory to cd into it or to enqueue it to vlc. wrong priorities maybe? |
| 13:43.01 | unixfu- | perhaps but how to tell the shell or gui to open folders into caja not vlc |
| 13:43.11 | unixfu- | if i right click and goto properties after opening caja thru Applications menu |
| 13:43.25 | unixfu- | it tells me no option for "Open with this prefix or app", etc |
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| 13:43.37 | unixfu- | im looking in mate tweak for the mime default types |
| 13:43.47 | unixfu- | does this relate to gid 022 prob.? |
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| 13:44.31 | unixfu- | like the properties panel doesn't give a sub menu tab for like it would for say, if you right click any other file besides a dir, you can select 'Open with this app.. or custom cmd' option |
| 13:44.34 | unixfu- | maybe that needs to be fixed |
| 13:44.36 | Ede|Popede | 022 looks like dmask to me |
| 13:44.47 | unixfu- | cool cool, thx m8 |
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| 13:46.11 | a0z | MarioMey: not sure, but try ${f[@]/%3gp/mp4} |
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| 14:01.51 | Ede|Popede | is this to replace the extension? i always use that {%/.foo} or whatever bash thing (and everytime i have to remember the exact syntax) |
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| 14:04.59 | inch | Is it possible to make a debian binary package depend on the exact version of a build-dependency without writing the version number to the control file? |
| 14:05.37 | inch | I mean depend on the version of package foo that happens to be installed at compile time. |
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| 14:13.05 | jelly | inch: if it's a dynamic library, the version will depend on actual symbols used |
| 14:17.59 | unixfu- | inch: if you compare filesize of the dependency and compare it to be not equal due to version difference |
| 14:18.12 | unixfu- | as versions have code updates wheteher added or subtracted or altered, it changes filesize most the time |
| 14:18.15 | unixfu- | you can count the bytes |
| 14:18.50 | unixfu- | so it wont run if certain dependency file != required size.. |
| 14:19.05 | unixfu- | yes it's possible without having to write the ver. # |
| 14:19.08 | unixfu- | ;) |
| 14:19.56 | unixfu- | Ede|Popede, usually {} means to get the hard value of what's inside the brackets or squigglys { } |
| 14:20.54 | unixfu- | how do u chk or change dmask? i forgot |
| 14:20.57 | ilikeyou | hi. I'd like to blacklist a package from being installed from DebianLive live-build environment. Nouveau is being loaded by default despite having installed a proprietary. is this possible? |
| 14:21.07 | unixfu- | blacklist it |
| 14:21.12 | unixfu- | edit your grub |
| 14:21.17 | unixfu- | don't forget to update-grub or build initramfs |
| 14:21.29 | unixfu- | or add it to modules blacklist file and reboot |
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| 14:24.25 | swordsing | any znc users here ? |
| 14:24.41 | ilikeyou | unixfu-: was that meant for me? its a live build I'm working with. live iso |
| 14:25.00 | unixfu- | ahh\ |
| 14:25.06 | unixfu- | i forgot u said that |
| 14:25.08 | unixfu- | i'm sry |
| 14:25.14 | unixfu- | ye swordsing, whats the prob.? |
| 14:25.34 | unixfu- | try apt build-dep znc (to resolve dependency issue of compiling a znc module) |
| 14:25.40 | unixfu- | if you installed it from the src |
| 14:26.20 | swordsing | i have a really odd problem with a somewhat messed around with default debian install on a vps, i can alunch and run znc and i can ping my server, but i cant connect to my znc instance ether via browser or via client |
| 14:26.55 | swordsing | i can p[ing the server and my server instance is up and authed |
| 14:27.02 | unixfu- | can u see it running on a port tho |
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| 14:27.13 | unixfu- | netstat -axte | grep $znc_port_# |
| 14:27.26 | unixfu- | so if u listen znc on +1777 |
| 14:27.30 | unixfu- | then netstat -axte | grep 1777 |
| 14:27.35 | unixfu- | see if it list it as running and listening on 1777 |
| 14:27.44 | unixfu- | would be 1st option to chk out ^^ |
| 14:27.50 | swordsing | kk 2 secs |
| 14:27.52 | unixfu- | or ps -auxgw | grep znc |
| 14:27.59 | unixfu- | to see if znc is running at all |
| 14:28.04 | unixfu- | np, brb |
| 14:28.09 | unixfu- | 8) |
| 14:28.21 | unixfu- | btw, you set znc port# in config when u first configure it after installing, u kno |
| 14:28.37 | swordsing | znc is definatel y running i checked that the account is up and authed |
| 14:28.41 | unixfu- | usually too, if you cant telnet i.p.a.b:port then nothing else is going to connect to it either |
| 14:28.50 | inch | unixfu-: I don't get it. What can I write to control file to make it compare sizes? And how will that change the version in Depends in the binary package? |
| 14:28.50 | unixfu- | if the account is up and authorized |
| 14:28.54 | swordsing | this is a migration btw |
| 14:28.55 | unixfu- | then how did you connect to it? |
| 14:29.00 | unixfu- | when u said you couldn't connect via client |
| 14:29.05 | unixfu- | ahhh |
| 14:29.06 | unixfu- | i see |
| 14:29.14 | unixfu- | i dunno, i brb tho, i gots to peeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 14:29.37 | unixfu- | inch: only if you were making custom scripting would you utilize what i said |
| 14:29.42 | unixfu- | it's not for the normal user to comprehend that level |
| 14:29.44 | unixfu- | sry |
| 14:29.45 | unixfu- | xD |
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| 14:30.27 | inch | I'm not exactly a normal user. |
| 14:31.21 | swordsing | well i confermed it from this irssi instance on the swame server lol |
| 14:31.41 | inch | Sure I could write a script that looks a version and puts it in the control file. |
| 14:35.54 | swordsing | unixfu-: set znc port number in previous config, dont see anything znc on netstat for znc or that port tho |
| 14:40.00 | jelly | inch: I think that was meant for some other support question. Try asking in #packaging over on irc.oftc.net if there's no progress here |
| 14:40.11 | swordsing | i did have a problem with this server where i had to create and add the user to the ssd and sftp defauly groups becouse they did not gety set up .. am i missing sometyhing dumb here |
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| 14:45.27 | jelly | swordsing: debian does not need or use groups to limit ssh or sftp access by default |
| 14:45.59 | jelly | even root can do ssh, but only with key not password |
| 14:46.23 | swordsing | jelly: this is sadly an isps install iso where they have clearly fucked around with some configs |
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| 14:48.32 | swordsing | are there any defult groups users need to be in to do any networking task ? even if they are a depriciated method ? |
| 14:48.47 | greycat | No. |
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| 14:50.28 | greycat | Debian is extremely traditional. By default, everything works the way Unix/Linux has always worked: only root can listen on ports under 1024, but listening on ports above 1024 is allowed, and all outgoing stuff is allowed. |
| 14:50.49 | nevyn | to configure networking you need to be in netdev |
| 14:50.59 | jelly | swordsing: there might be a firewall blocking incoming connections by default. Does your VPS have a public IP address at all? |
| 14:51.50 | swordsing | jelly: my public faceing ip is what im msging from /whois and it should pop right up |
| 14:52.24 | swordsing | let me try adding user to netdev |
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| 14:53.29 | nevyn | swordsing: if you're just trying to listen on a port then you don't need it |
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| 14:54.10 | nevyn | as long as the port isn't below 1025 then you shouldn't have an issue. |
| 14:54.43 | Habbie | (below 1024) |
| 14:54.46 | tradar | greycat: there is a list of all system groups used in debian? (used from the available packages in debian's repos) |
| 14:55.14 | greycat | No, because the list is not "fixed". There are some created during installation, but a bunch more are created when you install a package that needs one. |
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| 14:55.36 | tradar | Yeah. I would like to know if they are documented somewhere. |
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| 14:55.46 | greycat | So, two different Debian systems may have different system users/groups, depending on what's installed, and the order in which it was installed. |
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| 14:56.29 | nevyn | wishes debian actually fixed gid's for those groups |
| 14:56.33 | tradar | Yeah. It would be nice to have a list telling you "installing package ABC will create the group _AAAB" |
| 14:57.23 | nevyn | and for large installs it would be handy to be able to prepopulate them into ldap and have consistancy |
| 14:57.43 | pemensik | hello. I have issue with systemd-networkd configuring forewer in my debian container |
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| 15:00.25 | unixfu- | 12134 |
| 15:00.29 | unixfu- | 1234 |
| 15:00.45 | unixfu- | pemensik, netplan is your friend |
| 15:01.15 | jelly | unixfu-: netplan is not available in debian 10 at all |
| 15:01.21 | pemensik | unixfu-, is networkd unsupported? |
| 15:01.39 | pemensik | i have debian unstable and unable to upgrade just now |
| 15:01.56 | jelly | pemensik: which OS and kernel on the host? |
| 15:02.30 | pemensik | Fedora 29, kernel 5.2.18-100.fc29.x86_64, connected to libvirt managed network |
| 15:02.42 | jelly | that seems fresh enough |
| 15:02.52 | ratrace | and netplan is NOBODY'S friend |
| 15:02.54 | tradar | nevyn: easier, i wish mantainers tell in advance if their packages add new groups (and it would be nice this information be available from dpkg-query) |
| 15:03.00 | pemensik | used to work, but do not remember when it was last time |
| 15:03.05 | jelly | pemensik: wait libvirt, are you using a full VM or an actual container? |
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| 15:03.34 | pemensik | jelly, this is container. libvirt is reused to provide network interface |
| 15:03.50 | pemensik | systemd container |
| 15:03.56 | ratrace | libvirt does LXC too yeah |
| 15:03.59 | swordsing | ok i think im in lol |
| 15:04.01 | jelly | unixfu-: best avoid commenting on tech issues unless you have actual hands-on experience with subject matter on Debian |
| 15:04.08 | unixfu- | oh i was unaware jelly, didnt know that. thanx |
| 15:04.18 | unixfu- | how do you get ifconfig back or is that way deprecated now>? |
| 15:04.25 | greycat | install the net-tools package |
| 15:05.07 | unixfu- | cool |
| 15:05.16 | pemensik | have systemd241-3 |
| 15:05.17 | unixfu- | i idle now until i find new bug(s) :D |
| 15:05.29 | jelly | pemensik: sorry, I have no clue. Presumably networkd ought to work if you have a systemd inside container. But it's unstable so things might be broken |
| 15:05.35 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 15:05.35 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 15:05.59 | jelly | pemensik: ^ for your testing or unstable needs. Be prepared to do your homework and check for existing bug reports |
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| 15:07.05 | unixfu- | so any1 know how i can bridge network with aqemu settings like virtualbox bridgenetworking, ofc i need to set pre defined mac addr |
| 15:07.20 | tradar | greycat: different Debian systems have different system users/groups not only depending on what is installed, but also on what *was* installed. Because the leftovers are uhm left over. |
| 15:07.30 | greycat | correct |
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| 15:07.48 | swordsmanz | thankyou everyone for your assiatance |
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| 15:07.54 | unixfu- | bc i think i would rather run virtualization containers with aqemu other than oracles virtualbox, personal preference tho. tryin to stay away from oracle but their virtualbox bridge networking feature seems to be beneficial to my current setup with VPS's networkin probs i ran into |
| 15:08.23 | unixfu- | taboo |
| 15:09.01 | unixfu- | any1 know how to do same thing as bridge networking in virtualbox as to with aqemu ? |
| 15:09.09 | unixfu- | thx in advanced! |
| 15:09.30 | unixfu- | it's came a long ways.. |
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| 15:10.12 | unixfu- | how does ip end with 0. is that a oper spoof? |
| 15:10.17 | unixfu- | cdown (~cdown@199.201.66.0) has joined |
| 15:10.36 | unixfu- | or tor / ipv6 design flaw? |
| 15:10.50 | unixfu- | got rid of VLC ug |
| 15:10.54 | unixfu- | got rid of VLC bug |
| 15:11.01 | ratrace | !enter |
| 15:11.01 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 15:11.02 | unixfu- | resolution: apt remove vlc && apt purge vlc |
| 15:11.03 | greycat | An IP address with .0 on the end is perfect legal if the network's netmask is large enough. |
| 15:11.17 | unixfu- | o cool |
| 15:11.25 | unixfu- | so like, a /28 ? |
| 15:11.34 | greycat | A /23 or larger would do it. |
| 15:11.36 | unixfu- | with 256 addresses, hmm |
| 15:11.40 | unixfu- | cool man, thx |
| 15:11.44 | ratrace | tradar: I like how it's dealt with on FreeBSD ports. there's a list, so package maintainers have a reference and can't clobber each other's uids |
| 15:12.02 | greycat | A /24 has 256 (really 254) legal addresses. A /23 has 512 (really 510), and one of them ends with 0. |
| 15:12.23 | unixfu- | nice |
| 15:12.27 | unixfu- | doesn't make much sense to me tho |
| 15:12.41 | unixfu- | i guess you hafta have the broadcast and gateway so 256-2 = 254 |
| 15:12.54 | tradar | ratrace: yeah ... too bad there is no list for debian. |
| 15:12.54 | unixfu- | but how do you get 512 or 510 addresses within one octect of ipv4/ |
| 15:12.58 | greycat | An IPv4 address has 32 bits, which are divided between the network and the host. A /24 uses 24 bits for the network, 8 bits for the host, so it has 2^8 = 256 possible host addresses. |
| 15:13.29 | unixfu- | exactly, but u just said a /23 has 512 or really 510 addresses but that can't fit into normal ip routing unless you can do 0-999 a.b.c.d |
| 15:13.38 | unixfu- | i thought ipv4 was limited to 255 |
| 15:13.40 | unixfu- | 0-255 |
| 15:13.55 | greycat | You're assuming that the octets match up with the host or network addresses. That ONLY happens in a /24, because 24 is a multiple of 8. |
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| 15:14.03 | nevyn | unixfu-: a network.. can be on any bit boundary |
| 15:14.05 | inch | fg |
| 15:14.12 | greycat | In a /23 network, the host address spills over into the third octet. |
| 15:14.20 | unixfu- | ok fml running sidewayz, i learned networking by trial n error, hehe |
| 15:14.31 | unixfu- | i see, very interesting- thx fellas |
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| 15:14.53 | unixfu- | much to same as how you can bitmask the octets by multiplying by the max mask or bit |
| 15:14.53 | nevyn | Course this is in a CIDR world which we've been in for a while |
| 15:14.56 | unixfu- | eh? |
| 15:15.02 | nevyn | but class A |
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| 15:15.18 | nevyn | and B could always have a host address ending in .0 |
| 15:15.24 | unixfu- | i think _gateway is a hidden keyword in the routing of networks even tho it's not suppose to be valid with the underscore _ |
| 15:15.41 | greycat | My IP here is 10.76.172.97/23 . This network has 10.76.172.* and 10.76.173.* . 10.76.173.0 is one of the possible hosts on this network. |
| 15:15.43 | unixfu- | is it a.b.c.d or d.a.b.c, i forget |
| 15:15.51 | inch | I figured my earlier question out. Write a script that edits debian/binary_package_name.substvars and run that in rules file after dh_shlibdeps using override_dh_shlibdeps. |
| 15:16.15 | unixfu- | mov eax, 24a |
| 15:16.27 | unixfu- | retn regardless w/ detailed err msgs |
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| 15:16.50 | unixfu- | hi omnio, how's romania? |
| 15:16.56 | unixfu- | Omnicidio |
| 15:16.58 | unixfu- | ?? |
| 15:16.58 | greycat | 10.76.172.97 is just a human-readable version of a 32-bit number. The dots are not actually part of the address, and don't mean anything to the computer, other than indicating how to convert the base 10 digits into the 32-bit binary value. |
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| 15:17.28 | unixfu- | supurb greycat, nice |
| 15:17.50 | unixfu- | very insightful and knowledgable greycat, keep up the good answers and explanations! |
| 15:17.53 | unixfu- | i go bug hunting now! |
| 15:18.36 | ratrace | tradar: this is the most I know about uid/gid policy in Debian: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#users-and-groups |
| 15:18.50 | ratrace | doesn't seem to have a reservation list like FreeBSD ports. |
| 15:18.51 | jelly | unixfu-: this isn't a chat channel we have #debian-offtopic for chat. Try to reduce your lines that are not questions to ask or constructive support to provide. |
| 15:18.51 | nevyn | wonders if this jessie -> stretch upgrade is going to work ok. |
| 15:18.52 | unixfu- | the umask is 022 |
| 15:18.55 | unixfu- | not dmask |
| 15:19.12 | unixfu- | if i'm not mistaken, 022 is the attribute hexadecimal for the running filesystem |
| 15:19.22 | nevyn | ish |
| 15:19.23 | greycat | 022 is base 8 (octal), not hexadecimal |
| 15:19.34 | greycat | !umask |
| 15:19.35 | dpkg | The umask or user mask is the set of permissions which are *not* set on files and directories that are created with a default set of permission. Ask me about <umask example>, <set default umask>. |
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| 15:19.56 | unixfu- | !help |
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| 15:20.23 | pemensik | jelly, thanks! |
| 15:21.48 | cdown | unixfu-: I'm flattered. |
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| 15:25.06 | tradar | yes thank you ratrace, that is the policy. It turns out to be somehow useful because it lists the user `nobody` =) |
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| 15:26.50 | unixfu- | any idea how to lock down grub bootloader in EFI |
| 15:27.06 | unixfu- | as to stop some1 from spawning a rootshell if they had physical access to the box |
| 15:27.07 | unixfu- | ? |
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| 15:27.18 | unixfu- | &grub edit |
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| 15:28.07 | greycat | if they have full physical access, they can boot from alternative media and do whatever they want to the hard drive |
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| 15:29.31 | unixfu- | so what's best way to go about it, write a .rom file for EFI to preseed grub boot sequence with custom security measures? |
| 15:29.41 | tradar | greycat: that's why everybody should take advantage of luks |
| 15:29.42 | unixfu- | i have security issues is why i'm wondering |
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| 15:30.09 | unixfu- | i like RSi's bootchess, play chess in your bios! |
| 15:31.03 | greycat | The best way to go about it? That's extremely subjective and situational. My preferred strategy is "don't be so damned paranoid; the NSA does not want my PC". |
| 15:32.00 | omnio | Hello. I need "to generate" the main/applications menu in icewm and windowmaker but I have no idea how to do it. In LXQT the menu looks fine, all the apps are there (I guess the menu just reads the entries from /usr/share/applications) but in icewm and wmaker the menus look odd, not all the apps are there |
| 15:32.03 | omnio | I installed "menu" and ran "update-menus" but no improvement |
| 15:32.25 | unixfu- | dconf editor ? |
| 15:32.46 | nevyn | whole disk encryption and require a pasphrase to unlock on boot |
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| 15:32.48 | tradar | is it possible to keep the EFI fat32 partition on an external USB drive you carry always with you? |
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| 15:32.59 | unixfu- | yes anythings possible |
| 15:33.03 | unixfu- | afraik |
| 15:33.17 | unixfu- | i never realized the importance of encrypting the root, / |
| 15:33.18 | tradar | so you've found a solution ĸeĸ |
| 15:33.19 | ratrace | wth, why is net.core.somaxconn so small by default on debian, only 128? silly socket queue, 128 is for kids. |
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| 15:33.30 | unixfu- | i always just settled with encrypting my data dir, such as /home/$user |
| 15:33.43 | tradar | yeah root is important to encrypt |
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| 15:34.04 | nevyn | depends on the risk assessment |
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| 15:34.11 | unixfu- | but you can rewrite boot grub menu editor to flaw upon intruder detected access thru monitoring your natural partake in your PC |
| 15:34.14 | unixfu- | true |
| 15:34.38 | unixfu- | so what's best, veracrypt for encrypting the root |
| 15:34.39 | unixfu- | ? |
| 15:34.46 | unixfu- | or rjindael ;) |
| 15:34.57 | unixfu- | i been using ecryptfs for home dir |
| 15:35.11 | unixfu- | i guess let the installer handle it is the best approach eh/ |
| 15:35.14 | nevyn | luks |
| 15:35.14 | tradar | you can do proper FDE with luks |
| 15:35.28 | unixfu- | what is that acronym m8, FDE? |
| 15:35.38 | tradar | full disk encryption |
| 15:35.39 | unixfu- | fully defensive environment? |
| 15:35.43 | unixfu- | ahhh, kewl |
| 15:35.43 | tradar | ĸeĸ |
| 15:35.45 | unixfu- | kek |
| 15:35.47 | unixfu- | keke |
| 15:35.54 | ratrace | orcs |
| 15:35.55 | unixfu- | oops, TR108 |
| 15:36.02 | unixfu- | ask nasa |
| 15:36.06 | greycat | unixfu-: please switch to decaf. Slow down, calm down. Type less, think more. |
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| 15:36.25 | unixfu- | yes ofc, i am dumbfounded and have bad short term memory- my apologies.. |
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| 15:36.46 | unixfu- | i'll just switch environment and go outside for a walk, thx for your concern and remark |
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| 15:37.40 | tradar | you're welcome unixfu- |
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| 15:39.04 | annadane | besides, everyone knows the NSA runs systemd |
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| 15:40.12 | Ede|Popede | so at least it doesn't have a russian or chinese backdoor ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 15:40.27 | diogenes_ | annadane, they run everything, sha256, openssl etc. ) |
| 15:40.44 | unixfu- | every1 knows that 'her' that 'bitch' can 'go sit on a knife & twist' they call her, 'olympic games', lol.. SIGDIE |
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| 15:41.16 | unixfu- | NSA is very fine & cool |
| 15:41.22 | ratrace | > encrypts /home only > doesn't encrypt swap > NSA has field day cherry picking seekrits from the swap |
| 15:41.23 | unixfu- | they are my enemy tho |
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| 15:41.29 | unixfu- | well i randomize my swap |
| 15:41.38 | unixfu- | with ecryptfs-setup-swap |
| 15:41.40 | unixfu- | and then make fstab entry |
| 15:41.52 | unixfu- | so upon reboot, the ram is randomized n encrypted |
| 15:42.00 | annadane | okay, quiet. |
| 15:42.02 | ratrace | why do people bother with such convoluted setups. just slap all that on a LUKS container and call it a FDE :) |
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| 15:42.57 | unixfu- | green cape |
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| 15:45.12 | MarioMey | a0z: Find manual says to use -exec with {}. And what you suggest me to use ${f[@]/%3gp/mp4} has my previous command, that uses $f as variable. So, I don't think it will work... |
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| 15:45.33 | greycat | MarioMey: you'd have to -exec bash there, and it'll be pretty complicated |
| 15:45.47 | unixfu- | well, can u balance a 33 dimensional array in every step and square it makes in branching those forks? |
| 15:45.55 | greycat | find ... -exec bash -c '... something with "${f[@]}" ...' x {} + |
| 15:45.58 | unixfu- | precise ^_^ |
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| 15:47.08 | greycat | MarioMey: unless you're following an example of the general form while IFS= read -r file; do ...; done < <(find ... -print0) |
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| 15:55.01 | Sicarii | Hello Team! |
| 15:55.17 | Sicarii | apt-get upgrade hangs my debian based distro where the mouse pointer simply appears, disappears and re-appears in front of a black backdrop and never recovering from that over a 3 b+ rasp. pi. |
| 15:55.29 | Sicarii | Also, once I reboot the device in an effort to see if I can refer to a system log that could reveal root cause, but device loops through the same blinking mouse point with black backdrop. My mini SD card is 64 GB Samsung of the known and tested preferred to use with Pis. |
| 15:55.35 | greycat | !raspbian |
| 15:55.35 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 15:56.47 | Sicarii | Yes, but the linux distro I'm using to is debian based and simply wondering how I could refer to what's causing the symptom. |
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| 15:56.55 | greycat | !based on debian |
| 15:56.55 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 16:00.25 | Sicarii | Oh, I see! Thanks for the clarification! |
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| 16:01.12 | pemensik | is there some way to update geoip2 database? |
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| 16:13.50 | MarioMey | greycat: finally, I used: |
| 16:13.52 | MarioMey | find . -name "*.3gp" -exec bash -c 'file=$1; echo "Converting $file"; ffmpeg -i "$file" -c:v copy -c:a copy "${file[@]/%3gp/mp4}"; gio trash' _ {} \; |
| 16:14.03 | MarioMey | Thanks, everybody. |
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| 16:14.23 | greycat | you're treating "file" as an array variable, but it's only a string variable |
| 16:14.33 | greycat | I guess it works by good fortune |
| 16:15.10 | greycat | the more normal way would be "${file%.3gp}.mp4" and that would work in sh as well as bash |
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| 16:17.45 | jelly | $file:r.mp4 in zsh |
| 16:18.33 | greycat | for problems of this form, I would follow the general practice of using the "lightest" shell/tool that will work; sh is lighter than bash or zsh, and is more than adequate for this |
| 16:18.49 | greycat | you'll probably get a tiny speed-up using sh |
| 16:18.58 | jelly | for -exec {} ; yes |
| 16:19.47 | greycat | granted, one may assume that the bulk of the time spent here is in ffmpeg, so the milliseconds of shell time saved may be insignificant; still, it's good to learn the standard tools |
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| 16:24.36 | ruffni | i try to upgrade (and `apt --fix-broken`) LaTex (which had been held for some time). now apt is kinda broken. `apt --fix-broken` quits quickly. what's the easiest way to remove all of LaTeX (or texlive) and reinstall it from scratch? `apt purge tex*`? |
| 16:25.26 | RoyK | dpkg --configure -a |
| 16:25.26 | dpkg | RoyK: are you using Windows? |
| 16:25.34 | RoyK | dpkg: no ;) |
| 16:25.34 | dpkg | no idea, RoyK |
| 16:26.37 | gh00p | So.... My `isc-dhcp-server` seems to not be starting up even though it's configured to, and it *might* be because the start script is getting run before the interface it uses is initialized. I can solve this by running a `restart` on the daemon 30 seconds after boot, or perhaps in a script in /etc/network/if-up.d/. Is it worth doing a root cause analysis on this? Is it a problem others have solved too? |
| 16:27.16 | greycat | gh00p: assuming the interface is configured in /etc/network/interfaces, make sure it's configured with "auto ifname" and not "allow-hotplug ifname". |
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| 16:30.03 | gh00p | greycat, I've got `auto br0`, but also `iface br0 inet manual`. Its IP address is set by dhcpcd. |
| 16:30.35 | greycat | you're trying to be the DHCP server on an interface that's configured by DHCP !?? |
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| 16:31.50 | ruffni | https://paste.debian.net/1113698/ |
| 16:32.09 | greycat | Also, interfaces(5) tells me that "manual" means "no configuration is done by default. Such interfaces can be configured manually by means of up and down commands or ... scripts" |
| 16:32.42 | greycat | Anyway, I don't understand how you can be the DHCP server on a network where your interface is configured by some other DHCP server. |
| 16:34.51 | gh00p | greycat: No, dhcpcd is being used for a different interface, so I'm just using it to assign a static IP to the interface running the dhcp server. |
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| 16:35.26 | gh00p | This is a router, so br0 is the internal IP (bridged between eth1 and wlan0), and eth0 is a DHCP client assigned IP from my ISP. |
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| 16:38.02 | gh00p | Re "manual", yes, I have that so that dhcpcd will take care of the IP address assignment. Do you have a recommendation? Should I look at the order in which startup scripts are running and make sure dhcpcd runs before isc-dhcp-server? Or should I move my static assignment out of dhcpcd and into interfaces? |
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| 16:39.59 | gh00p | greycat: for reference, I freely admit that I have things to learn with this stuff. That's why I'm asking questions. I'm grateful for your advice. |
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| 16:40.44 | greycat | I would use a static assignment in /e/n/i and see if that fixes it. |
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| 16:42.29 | JordiGH | What exactly are buster/updates? |
| 16:42.46 | JordiGH | Looks like I'm getting qt5 updates. I mean, cool, thanks, but why? |
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| 16:43.32 | greycat | buster/updates is the name of the security repository |
| 16:43.39 | greycat | buster-updates is the proposed-updates thing |
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| 16:44.17 | greycat | dpkg proposed-updates |
| 16:44.18 | dpkg | stable-proposed-updates is a repository containing packages being prepared for the next <point release>. While they have already been, your additional testing is most welcome prior to wider release. http://www.debian.org/releases/proposed-updates http://release.debian.org/proposed-updates/stable.html . See also <oldstable-proposed-updates>, <testing-proposed-updates>. |
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| 16:46.58 | somiaj | JordiGH: https://www.debian.org/security/2019/dsa-4556 |
| 16:47.49 | JordiGH | Huh, I thought we had a separate security repo. |
| 16:49.04 | greycat | We do, and its name is currently "buster/updates". |
| 16:49.10 | greycat | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ buster/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 16:50.12 | somiaj | JordiGH: deb.debian.org is a redirect repo that works for both debian and debian-security |
| 16:50.13 | greycat | In bullseye they're changing it to "bullseye-security". |
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| 16:52.05 | pink_vampire | hi |
| 16:52.39 | avu | pink_vampire: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
| 16:52.40 | JordiGH | Wasn't there a repo that had relatively unimportant updates, like, uhhhhh, new translations for Firefox or something like that, and another repo that had security fixes? |
| 16:53.13 | somiaj | JordiGH: buster-updates (updates go there before point releases, and then get merged at point release) |
| 16:53.24 | somiaj | JordiGH: there is also buster-proposed-updates (these may or may not make it into a point release) |
| 16:53.41 | somiaj | JordiGH: hence I'm glad they are renaming buster/updates because it looks like buster-updates (which is not the same) |
| 16:53.58 | JordiGH | Okay, so that's what's confusing me, I guess? |
| 16:54.03 | somiaj | could be |
| 16:54.09 | JordiGH | Until that last sentence I didn't even realise you were talking about different things. |
| 16:54.16 | JordiGH | I thought buster/updates and buster-updates were the same thing. |
| 16:54.31 | somiaj | buster/updates = security, buster-updates = updates shortly before they are put into a point release |
| 16:54.43 | somiaj | You are not alone on that confusion. |
| 16:54.44 | JordiGH | Okay, thanks. |
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| 16:55.49 | pink_vampire | avu: I know how to use the comand line, but all the systemd is new to me, I have debian Squeeze on my computer, and also my CNC machine is running debian |
| 16:56.05 | avu | pink_vampire: you don't need to do anything systemd |
| 16:56.13 | avu | pink_vampire: did you actually read what I linked? |
| 16:56.23 | avu | pink_vampire: it's all good old /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:56.48 | avu | pink_vampire: just like the people in #systemd already told you, you don't need systemd-networkd for what you're trying to do |
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| 16:56.54 | greycat | 11:43 greycat> buster/updates is the name of the security repository |
| 16:56.54 | greycat | 11:43 greycat> buster-updates is the proposed-updates thing |
| 16:56.59 | greycat | I thought I was clear :( |
| 16:57.12 | pink_vampire | avu: this installation is debian 10 (buster), so all the commands are different, |
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| 16:58.45 | greycat | Debian does not use systemd-networkd by default. Interfaces are still configured in /etc/network/interfaces via ifupdown. If you choose not to use /e/n/i but you have network-manager installed, n-m will take over the ones that are not listed in /e/n/i. |
| 16:59.58 | pink_vampire | graytron: there is no gui on this install |
| 17:00.32 | pink_vampire | by "network-manager" you mean /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:00.37 | greycat | Absolutely not. |
| 17:00.54 | greycat | If you choose not to use /e/n/i but you have network-manager installed, n-m will take over the ones that are not listed in /e/n/i. |
| 17:01.40 | greycat | If you aren't using e/n/i AND you aren't using n-m then you're in a tiny minority. In that case, there's something called connman, and something called systemd-networkd. Neither of which I've ever used. |
| 17:01.40 | annadane | e/n/i? what is this, slackware? |
| 17:01.51 | greycat | I SPELLED IT OUT |
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| 17:02.01 | greycat | AFTER MY INITIAL SPELLING-OUT, I ABBREVIATED IT |
| 17:02.05 | ratrace | !greycatsnack |
| 17:02.05 | dpkg | hey greycat, here's a peanut butter cookie for all the hard work |
| 17:02.07 | somiaj | network-manager doesn't require a gui (see nm-cli), you can choose how to manage your network, just don't use multiple tools. |
| 17:02.48 | pink_vampire | what is the default tool in debian net-install? |
| 17:03.13 | greycat | By default, it will use /etc/network/interfaces which is often abbreviated /e/n/i after the initial sentence. |
| 17:03.43 | roycroft | hello, folks |
| 17:03.52 | pink_vampire | what is "/e/n/i "?? |
| 17:03.59 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 17:04.11 | greycat | I'm going to lunch. When I get back, there'd better be fewer trolls. |
| 17:04.26 | roycroft | i'm trying to solve a problem at a remote colo facility, and would appreciate any opinions/experiences from anyone who might have some insights |
| 17:04.35 | annadane | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.38 | annadane | e/n/i |
| 17:04.39 | roycroft | i have a machine at this remote colo that has been running debian for several years |
| 17:04.55 | roycroft | it's some old dell machine, and it had an adaptec raid controller in it |
| 17:05.13 | roycroft | the machine is used primarly as an offsite backup server and caching dns server |
| 17:05.25 | roycroft | the problem is that those adaptec raid controllers are horrible, and difficult to manage |
| 17:05.27 | pink_vampire | annadane: ok ok I got it now thank you |
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| 17:05.59 | annadane | 'slackware' was just a joke, in slackware you install packages in the installation of various groups which are named by letter :P |
| 17:06.20 | roycroft | in our primary data center i'm using freenas for storage and debian virtual machines to provide the various services, with a combination of vmware esxi and proxmox ve as the hypervisors |
| 17:06.33 | annadane | https://media.tutorialforlinux.com/slackware/installation/12-packagesSelection.png |
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| 17:06.48 | ratrace | annadane: they're kids, they wouldn't remember :) |
| 17:06.51 | roycroft | i got a proper lsi hba for the offsite machine, intending to replace the adaptec after yet another disk failure for which i received no notification |
| 17:07.10 | pink_vampire | annadane: OMG, this is way I'm with debian |
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| 17:07.15 | roycroft | my intent was to use freebsd's bhyve hypervisor on the freenas machine and install the backup server and dns server vms using that |
| 17:07.38 | roycroft | i've come to the conclusion that bhyve is utterly useless, at least in my environment |
| 17:07.46 | ratrace | aye |
| 17:07.47 | roycroft | so now i'm stuck with figuring out a solution |
| 17:08.25 | roycroft | i have a bunch of hard drives that i intend to configure as raid 10 with zfs for the storage |
| 17:08.33 | roycroft | but i have a pair of ssds for the operating system |
| 17:08.42 | ratrace | roycroft: think you can summarize the question in one or two posts? :) |
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| 17:08.56 | roycroft | with freenas the os is mirrored on the ssds |
| 17:09.02 | ratrace | !enter |
| 17:09.03 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 17:09.03 | unixfu- | sometimes vps have trouble with hosting dns because port 53 isn't forwarded well with the host using it |
| 17:09.05 | roycroft | i'm down to the crux right now - the above was background |
| 17:09.08 | unixfu- | roycroft ^^^ |
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| 17:09.16 | roycroft | i want to install debian with mirrored boot devices |
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| 17:09.49 | roycroft | is that reliabily feasible these days? |
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| 17:09.52 | jim | annadane, and yet, debian at the very beginning picked up ideas from slackware for what was about to become debian, in particular its package format... having said that, even the name slackware was probably a joke |
| 17:09.52 | unixfu- | but the virtualizor uses port 53 for the gateway & routing i assume if it's like it was last i checked, you hafta have another allocated ip to host dns, can't share host ip with vps and host port 53 onv irtualizor |
| 17:10.05 | roycroft | the last time i tried mirroring linux was about 20 years ago and it was a horrible experience |
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| 17:10.11 | roycroft | i swore then to never attempt to repeate it |
| 17:10.14 | unixfu- | poor pat, bless him- in his name we / |
| 17:10.21 | roycroft | but linux has matured greatly since then |
| 17:10.26 | ratrace | roycroft: you want debian (with root) on zfs, and mirrored /boot ? |
| 17:10.41 | roycroft | ratrace: i don't necessarily need root on zfs |
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| 17:10.45 | roycroft | i'm fine with xfs root |
| 17:10.47 | unixfu- | freebsd doesn't perform was well as linux when virtualizing vps with virtualbox i know off |
| 17:10.53 | ratrace | roycroft: then please summarize your actual question in ONE post pls :) |
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| 17:11.02 | roycroft | i did, above |
| 17:11.18 | ratrace | roycroft: again please in ONE post |
| 17:11.18 | roycroft | i want to install debian with a mirrored root - the storage can be zfs and i can handle that |
| 17:11.28 | ratrace | alright. and the question is? |
| 17:11.41 | roycroft | the question is, is it feasible and reliable to do so? |
| 17:11.48 | ratrace | yea |
| 17:12.01 | roycroft | no special tricks? |
| 17:12.07 | roycroft | i just do manual disk configuration |
| 17:12.12 | roycroft | and install grub on both disks |
| 17:12.15 | ratrace | !entre |
| 17:12.17 | roycroft | and it will work fine? |
| 17:12.17 | ratrace | !enter |
| 17:12.33 | ratrace | see now you made me break the bot..... please don't raid the enter key so much |
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| 17:12.47 | zodd__ | roycroft, check linux software raid |
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| 17:12.53 | jhutchins_wk | roycroft: You're describing a bit of a niche case. I haven't found a lot of good info on booting linux from raid. |
| 17:12.54 | ratrace | roycroft: yes it'll work fine. software raid with mdadm, or zfs, or btrfs |
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| 17:13.20 | roycroft | my reading about zfs on linux indicates that it can be a struggle to install root with zfs |
| 17:13.26 | ratrace | jhutchins_wk: hardly a niche case |
| 17:13.26 | roycroft | but again, that does not matter to me |
| 17:13.31 | roycroft | as long as zfs is the storage |
| 17:13.38 | ratrace | roycroft: WILL YOU STOP RIDING THE DAMN ENTER KEY? |
| 17:13.50 | roycroft | what? |
| 17:13.52 | somiaj | !enter |
| 17:13.52 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 17:13.52 | ratrace | THAT |
| 17:14.02 | roycroft | oh brother |
| 17:14.10 | roycroft | see you all |
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| 17:14.22 | ratrace | ... |
| 17:14.33 | annadane | excellent. back to talking about slackware |
| 17:14.38 | ratrace | at least it's quiet again. |
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| 17:14.57 | somiaj | I guess not talking at all is better than learning to use complete sentences/thoughts on a single line. |
| 17:16.18 | annadane | we've left a nice, orderly chat for greycat to come back to after lunch |
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| 17:16.41 | ratrace | and all that novella could've really been summarized into one post. "oha, I wants debian on raid1, what are my options, kthnkxinadvance." |
| 17:16.44 | ratrace | *ohai |
| 17:17.01 | ratrace | annadane: indeed he'll be pleasantly surprised :) |
| 17:17.03 | MarioMey | greycat: What does % really do? |
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| 17:17.52 | MarioMey | "${file%.3gp}.mp4" |
| 17:18.09 | MarioMey | Deletion? |
| 17:19.08 | ratrace | MarioMey: https://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/string-manipulation.html |
| 17:19.39 | annadane | does tldp have any articles after 1995? |
| 17:20.30 | MarioMey | ratrace: thanks. |
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| 17:22.56 | uuuu | hey guys |
| 17:23.07 | uuuu | how can i install the newest version of zlib on debian? |
| 17:23.49 | uuuu | im running debian 9.11 |
| 17:24.11 | uuuu | and it says "zlib1g-dev is already the newest version (1:1.2.8.dfsg-5)." |
| 17:24.22 | annadane | ,v zlib1g-dev |
| 17:24.24 | judd | Package: zlib1g-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 1:1.2.8.dfsg-2+b1; stretch: 1:1.2.8.dfsg-5; buster: 1:1.2.11.dfsg-1; bullseye: 1:1.2.11.dfsg-1+b1; sid: 1:1.2.11.dfsg-1+b1 |
| 17:24.32 | uuuu | but i need zlib >=1.2.3.4 |
| 17:24.57 | annadane | judd, checkbackport zlib1g-dev --fromrelease sid --torelease stretch |
| 17:24.58 | judd | Backporting package zlib1g-dev in sidâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, archignore. |
| 17:25.01 | uuuu | ohh wait |
| 17:25.10 | annadane | backport it yourself, then |
| 17:25.21 | uuuu | i think 1:1.2.8.dfsg-5 meets the requirement, right? |
| 17:25.29 | uuuu | i dunno what "1:" is |
| 17:25.33 | annadane | yeah, it would |
| 17:25.36 | annadane | i can't read |
| 17:25.42 | uuuu | but it looks like i have zlib version 1.2.8? |
| 17:25.50 | annadane | yes |
| 17:25.57 | uuuu | hmm ok |
| 17:26.03 | uuuu | whats that "1:" |
| 17:26.38 | ratrace | epoch |
| 17:26.51 | uuuu | like epoch time?? |
| 17:27.18 | ratrace | say you have version 2010 and switched to 3.0 for the NEXT release. Since 2010 > 3, you raise the epoch from implicit 0 to 1: and 1:<any number> is always > than 0:anynumber |
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| 17:27.33 | dvs | uuuu, no. in case the packages undergoes a huge transformation |
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| 17:28.11 | uuuu | ok, so that 1 is just a counter of how many times i installed this package? |
| 17:28.15 | ratrace | epoch is integer so you can have 2: or 3: if that's needed to change the versioning scheme but that's very very very very rare |
| 17:28.30 | ratrace | no, like, I just explained to you what it means |
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| 17:29.23 | annadane | what actual decimal place does the epoch apply to? i'm assuming before patches |
| 17:29.32 | annadane | so, up to minor versions |
| 17:29.53 | annadane | 1.2.8, not 1.2.8.dfsg-5 |
| 17:30.05 | greycat | annadane: the epoch comes *before* all of that, and overrides all of that |
| 17:30.15 | greycat | 2:1.0.0 is higher than 1:7.8.9 |
| 17:30.25 | annadane | right right right |
| 17:30.26 | annadane | gotcha |
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| 17:46.12 | maxrazer | Does anyone know how to set xdg open for a default application that uses "xyz://" from the browser where xyz is the application type/name? |
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| 17:46.35 | maxrazer | Chromium is launching xdg open, but the type isn't configured. |
| 17:46.44 | Akuw | apt-cache policy is used for? |
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| 17:48.36 | greycat | Akuw: it tells us where your system thinks it's getting packages from, among other things |
| 17:49.46 | dka | Can i use archlinux tutorial for debian such as this : https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=249900 |
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| 17:57.30 | uuuu | how can i find the files contained in a package? |
| 17:57.50 | greycat | if the package is installed, dpkg -L pkgname |
| 17:58.25 | uuuu | thx |
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| 18:00.14 | uuuu | greycat: what if i dont have the package installed? |
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| 18:00.55 | greycat | Then you find the package lists on packages.debian.org but they are known to be incomplete/broken. |
| 18:01.13 | greycat | Or, you download the .deb and then extract it with dpkg -x. |
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| 18:15.12 | Lope | Have you guys had much luck booting Linux from a SD card from a laptop's internal SD cardreader? Whenever I've tried it (not on many laptops) it hasn't worked for me, so I'm curious if any of you have had success with this? |
| 18:15.57 | jhutchins_wk | Lope: That would be controlled by the BIOS, but a lot of SD card readers don't work in Linux. |
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| 18:20.16 | cybrNaut | the OLPC works entirely off SD card - so certainly it's possible in that obscure case. Not sure about the general case. My laptop used to take some manual work just to get the internal SD card reader to function, but I'd be surprised if I could boot from it. |
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| 18:33.39 | n-iCe | Guys, everytime I boot Debian, all my windows are restored, how do I stop this? |
| 18:33.41 | HajinctoQQ | Hi. Fresh Debian Gnome install here. But Adwaita icons are old. How to install Adwaita icon from the source (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/adwaita-icon-theme) ? |
| 18:34.19 | somiaj | HajinctoQQ: I think you can just copy it into $HOME/.icons/ and then select that theme from some controll tool |
| 18:34.27 | somiaj | n-iCe: what desktop do you use? |
| 18:34.55 | HajinctoQQ | n-iCe Gnome, on Debian 10 |
| 18:36.23 | somiaj | HajinctoQQ: acutally looks like $HOME/.local/share/icons/ is the new place, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Icons#Icons_and_emblems |
| 18:38.51 | n-iCe | somiaj: xfce4 |
| 18:39.18 | HajinctoQQ | somiaj: On Adwaita repository files are odd: *.sh, *.py, *.ac; I don't know, but the icons themes have a file called 'index.theme' and Adwaita repository the file is 'index.theme.in' |
| 18:40.34 | greycat | configure.ac is one of the files used by autoconf. *.sh and *.py are common suffixes for shell scripts and Python scripts, respectively. |
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| 18:41.43 | greycat | a file named *.in is most likely a template that has to be run through a macro preprocessor, or some other step, to produce the regular output file |
| 18:42.10 | jhutchins_wk | ,v adwaita-icon-theme |
| 18:42.12 | judd | Package: adwaita-icon-theme on amd64 -- jessie: 3.14.0-2; stretch: 3.22.0-1+deb9u1; buster: 3.30.1-1; bullseye: 3.34.0-2; sid: 3.34.0-2 |
| 18:42.25 | somiaj | n-iCe: look into xfce4 sessions manager (there should be a config tool for this) and tell it to not restore. |
| 18:42.29 | HajinctoQQ | greycat: the process to install is: 1) ./configure; 2) make & 3) make install |
| 18:42.42 | greycat | sounds pretty common |
| 18:43.27 | Ankman | oh adwaita. just tested my web pages in the gnome web browser. background is grey and fonts white per default. had to add some CSS to have a white background and black fonts as it is default in every other browser i know |
| 18:43.30 | HajinctoQQ | greycat: sorry, I'm askin to you |
| 18:44.38 | Ankman | i wonder if i should file a bug report and report this as design flaw? |
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| 18:48.02 | HajinctoQQ | Let's by sid repository. Thaks guys! |
| 18:48.23 | jim | how much does it cost to by it? |
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| 18:49.48 | Ankman | buy what? |
| 18:49.54 | jim | HajinctoQQ, just so you know... you may have other options open to you, that are debian specific |
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| 18:51.28 | n-iCe | somiaj: but is not selected, save session option |
| 18:52.00 | HajinctoQQ | jim, I tried install from sources, but on Adwaita repository the info ain't clear, at least for a noob like me. |
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| 18:52.30 | jim | HajinctoQQ, is it packaged for debian? |
| 18:52.40 | greycat | ,v adwaita-icon-theme |
| 18:52.41 | judd | Package: adwaita-icon-theme on amd64 -- jessie: 3.14.0-2; stretch: 3.22.0-1+deb9u1; buster: 3.30.1-1; bullseye: 3.34.0-2; sid: 3.34.0-2 |
| 18:52.46 | greycat | as jhutchins_wk already told us |
| 18:53.01 | HajinctoQQ | judd, thanks, for the tip |
| 18:53.08 | jim | oh, is that the package he wants? |
| 18:53.16 | HajinctoQQ | Yep |
| 18:53.29 | jim | ok. what version of debian do you have? |
| 18:53.33 | HajinctoQQ | Finally I've installed from Sid |
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| 18:54.13 | HajinctoQQ | I'm Buster. But that package is harmless |
| 18:54.32 | HajinctoQQ | no Debian-Frankestien (for the moment) |
| 18:54.33 | jim | , depends adwaita-icon-theme |
| 18:54.34 | judd | Package adwaita-icon-theme in buster/amd64 -- depends: hicolor-icon-theme, gtk-update-icon-cache, librsvg2-common. |
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| 18:56.44 | jim | HajinctoQQ, you may wish to run: apt -f install to make sure your package database is ok |
| 18:58.46 | somiaj | n-iCe: that saves your current session, it defaults to saving the session on exit |
| 18:58.51 | HajinctoQQ | alright jim |
| 18:59.32 | somiaj | n-iCe: https://askubuntu.com/questions/427842/how-to-permanently-disable-the-save-session-feature-in-xubuntu |
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| 19:00.34 | jim | HajinctoQQ, all the dependencies of adwaita-icon-theme are available in buster, so it might be ok (it won't cause your system to want sid's libc, which would cause major havok |
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| 19:00.59 | Lope | jhutchins_wk, thanks |
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| 19:01.59 | somiaj | jim: I would still suggest a local install vs getting it from sid. |
| 19:02.11 | jim | agreed |
| 19:02.23 | somiaj | copying the theme to $HOME/.local/share/icons should work |
| 19:02.39 | jim | do you know whether he wanted that version? |
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| 19:04.01 | jim | it's like a frankendebian with everything normal except frankie's forehead |
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| 19:04.39 | ratrace | you mean frankie's monster's forehead. /nitpick /evil-laughter |
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| 19:05.47 | jim | yeah, never saw those movies :P |
| 19:05.57 | ws2k3 | im trying to configure an vrack ip on my machine 165.132.23.210 netmask 255.255.255.240 and then i do route add default gw 165.132.23.254 but then i get network unreachable what am i doing wrong here? |
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| 19:07.21 | jim | ws2k3, I guess my first question... is, can you ping 165.132.23.254 ? |
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| 19:09.28 | jim | I'm not sure I have a second question :) |
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| 19:09.56 | ws2k3 | jim yes |
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| 19:11.46 | ws2k3 | jim i think its because that ip is outsode of my range. |
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| 19:23.16 | jak2000 | hi all, i have a web system with java and glassfish, is possible kknow the ip activity (ip date/time connection)? thanks |
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| 19:27.25 | JPT | jak2000: You can check if your glassfish writes logs. Most webservers and application servers write access logs by default afaik. |
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| 19:27.44 | GNU\colossus | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 19:27.45 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u9; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u1; buster-backports: 5.2+107~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.2+107; sid: 5.3.7-1 |
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| 19:28.46 | JordiGH | Wow, Firefox 68 has crashed three times on me today. |
| 19:28.48 | JordiGH | :-( |
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| 19:29.21 | JordiGH | Maybe that's a subtle hint telling me to get off YouTube and back to work. |
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| 19:33.07 | somiaj | JordiGH: and here I was thinking of finally switching back to firefox, as chromium is being annoying too...I want this to be fixed https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=943668 |
| 19:33.08 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/943668 in chromium (open): «Getting "Can't update Chromium" notifications»; severity: normal; opened: 2019-10-27; last modified: 2019-11-03. |
| 19:33.33 | JordiGH | But I was told Rust was gonna fix crashes. |
| 19:33.47 | somiaj | JordiGH: have you maybe tried to start over with a default profile, maybe there is some artifact in your old profile causing problems with the newer esr version |
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| 19:34.00 | cybrNaut | or it's an indication that you should view youtube videos from invidio.us.. maybe the j/s is more lightweight |
| 19:34.21 | jim | ws2k3, ok, one thing is true, and you may have already said it: the gateway IP must be in the net/netmask (aka subnet) |
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| 19:36.20 | islamic_death | to follow the teachings of a person whose notable accomplishments include leading the massacre of a city (Mecca) and "marrying" a nine year old girl is frankly evil |
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| 19:36.37 | islamic_death | the so-called "prophet" was by all standards a criminal |
| 19:36.41 | islamic_death | islam is death |
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| 19:38.07 | jak2000 | JPT thanks |
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| 19:47.05 | jim | ws2k3, it may be 165.132.23.210 that's out of the range, but not sure yet |
| 19:47.52 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: Yes, your gateway needs to be within your subnet. |
| 19:48.56 | greycat | that's the usual arrangement, anyway |
| 19:49.14 | greycat | if the gateway is *not* on your network, then you have to explain to the routing table how to reach that IP address |
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| 19:53.39 | jim | for 165.132.23.210/28, the net addr is 165.132.23.208 and the bcast addr is 165.132.23.223, which are the min and max of your subhnet |
| 19:54.05 | jim | so yes, .254 is outside of that |
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| 19:55.18 | anti-savage | to follow the teachings of a man whose notable accomplishments include leading the massacre of a city and "marrying" a 9-year-old girl is quite simply evil. |
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| 19:58.12 | JordiGH | The hell? |
| 19:58.14 | JordiGH | Ah. |
| 19:58.17 | JordiGH | Sorry, never mind. |
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| 20:08.12 | gh00p | If I'm running nginx and php-fpm with multiple virtualhosts, can I recycle the same unix socket for each virtualhost, or should I create a new socket for each one in /etc/php/7.3/fpm/pool.d/ ? And if the unix socket *can* be recycled, what might be the benefit of having multiple sockets? Are different sockets handled by different CPUs or something? |
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| 20:12.07 | ws2k3 | i just cloned a debian machine. but it looks like it not reading /etc/network/interfaces. how would i debug this? |
| 20:12.34 | greycat | there's a good chance the network interface name is different. double-check that. edit the file with the correct interface name. |
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| 20:13.52 | ratrace | gh00p: recycle? one pool can only talk over one socket, you can't share a socket with multiple pools |
| 20:14.27 | gh00p | ratrace: ok, but can multiple virtualhosts share a pool? |
| 20:14.37 | gh00p | er .. a socket? What the hell am I asking, anyway? |
| 20:14.44 | ratrace | gh00p: that they can, yes, as in yes you can have more than one vhost do fastcgi_pass to the same unix socket |
| 20:14.54 | ws2k3 | greycat i checked and thats not it |
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| 20:15.45 | gh00p | ratrace: okay, yes, that's what I was asking. But I see that the configuration allows for multiple sockets, each configured in a file in the pool.d/ directory. What would that be used for? |
| 20:16.16 | ratrace | gh00p: multiple pools, you can run one pool per website, each running under separate user and having different options |
| 20:16.50 | ws2k3 | greycat only thing im seeing is [ 0.632598] xen_netfront: Initialising Xen virtual ethernet driver but normaly i also see something like eth0 renamed..... |
| 20:17.24 | ws2k3 | greycat and i ran ifconfig eth0 .... netmask ... up then it works just fine |
| 20:18.14 | ratrace | ws2k3: perhaps start getting used to ip instead of ifconfig which is deprecated and has issues |
| 20:18.53 | ws2k3 | ratrace yeah ur right on that matter |
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| 20:20.15 | gh00p | ratrace: ok, so it's a layer of abstraction that helps with access control and limits. Sounds good -- I guess for a simple environment where I'm in charge of all sites on the server and nothing will ever be slashdotted, I can probably get away with a single pool. :) |
| 20:21.52 | ratrace | gh00p: I still wouldn't. isolating them has benefits from managing resources (Eg. # of workers needed, min, max, preforked, ...), through isolation and security |
| 20:22.16 | ratrace | infact that's how we run our client sites, each in its own apparmored pool |
| 20:22.42 | ratrace | running pools with separate users combines neatly with single apparmor policy and "owner" rules that does the MLS role |
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| 20:25.54 | gh00p | ratrace: related question... I see that I get only one pidfile for the php-fpm master process. Is there a way to restart a single pool without restarting the master process and taking down everything? |
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| 20:28.49 | ratrace | gh00p: you can send a HUP signal to the specific PIDs |
| 20:29.04 | ratrace | gh00p: that's why we run each pool as a separate master process as a systems service |
| 20:29.12 | ratrace | *systemd |
| 20:29.28 | ratrace | gh00p: ah, no wait, not HUP but TERM |
| 20:32.51 | gh00p | ratrace: erm.. With two pools configured, I have only one pid file, named similarly to one of the pools, containing the pid of "php-fpm: master process", which is the PPID of the four pool processes. So systemd (pid 1) owns the master process, not the pools. |
| 20:33.16 | gh00p | But I see that if I kill one of the pool pids, the master process behaves like a superserver and restarts it. So that's good. :) |
| 20:33.20 | ws2k3 | how can i configure 2 ip's using the interfaces file? |
| 20:33.27 | ws2k3 | on the same interface* |
| 20:33.38 | ratrace | gh00p: yes one pid file for the master fpm, but you can signal individual processes. also: pidfiles are EVIL |
| 20:34.02 | ratrace | ws2k3: that's the thing ifconfig is bad about you need to alias interfaces somethingsomething |
| 20:34.16 | ws2k3 | i see okay thx ratrace |
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| 20:34.49 | gh00p | ws2k3: what about old notation, like eth0 for the first IP, then eth0:1 for the second? |
| 20:35.00 | ratrace | that's the aliasing I mentioned |
| 20:35.08 | ratrace | you essentially create two nics |
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| 20:35.42 | gh00p | ratrace: Other than querying the process table, how might I determine which pids are associated with a particular pool? Also, when do config files get read? When the master process gets bumped, or when the pool process is restarted? (I can experiment if necessary, but if you happen to know off-hand, that would save me lots of time.) |
| 20:35.59 | Morg0th | Hello, I installed a deb file manually (guitar pro) and now every time I try to install something via apt, it wants to delete guitar pro because of some unmet dependencies. Guitar Pro runs fine though, I don't want to uninstall it. Here's the full output: http://dpaste.com/3T84P9A how can i fix this please? |
| 20:35.59 | ratrace | gh00p: pool names are reflected in process names so you can use pkill |
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| 20:36.37 | ratrace | gh00p: (re)starting a worker process sources the php.ini, but you'll have to nuke the master to get the pool configs (php-fpm.conf) reloaded |
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| 20:37.14 | ratrace | gh00p: also "reloading" won't add new pools, or take away deleted pools, you have to hard restart the master |
| 20:37.35 | gh00p | ratrace: right, that makes sense. Thanks very much for sharing all of this. |
| 20:37.40 | ratrace | actually, I might be wrong on the adding new pools part, but TIAS, I'm not sure there |
| 20:38.28 | gh00p | The man page spells it out in a section called, of all things, "SIGNAL": |
| 20:38.30 | gh00p | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:39.34 | ratrace | gh00p: yes if you HUP the master which is usually the traditional "reload" action for daemons |
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| 20:40.01 | ratrace | gh00p: I'm not sure individual workers respond to HUP, you can try that too |
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| 20:47.27 | gh00p | ratrace: looks like a HUP to a pool process will cause it to terminate and be restarted by the master. Don't know whether it's the master or the child that reads the config file. But if the master is responsible for chroot, then it's gotta be the master that reads configs. |
| 20:47.49 | ratrace | gh00p: chroot? |
| 20:48.38 | ratrace | gh00p: also which config file? if you're reconfiguring the entire pool, you must HUP or restart the master process. if you're reconfiguring php.ini, you can kill individual PIDs, or HUP the master (which will restart the workers) |
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| 20:50.11 | gh00p | ratrace: you can chroot each pool to a different location. http://sprunge.us/jnYHGM |
| 20:50.45 | ratrace | gh00p: ah I see |
| 20:50.47 | gh00p | The chroot would likely be applied as the master process forks the pool process. |
| 20:51.04 | ratrace | probably, never used that feature, prefer apparmor instead |
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| 20:56.29 | ratrace | gh00p: no wonder I haven't used it, where is that thing documented? ie. what must go into the chroot? any /dev facilities? syslog socket? pool's unix socket? .... |
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| 21:00.22 | disi | i followed the debian subkey wiki a year ago and now my (main) key has expired. i dug out the main key and extended the expiration and pushed to the keyservers, should i need to update anything directly in my .gnupg folder? or can i just --recv-keys MYKEY? (asking because i tried the latter and it didnt seem to work |
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| 21:02.47 | kavaliro | hey, i've just done a fresh install of debian (KDE) and have been having issues mounting a webDAV volume through dolphin, what are the specific packages that i need to make sure i have for webDAV functionality? |
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| 21:06.09 | gh00p | ratrace: that was an excerpt from /etc/php/7.3/fpm/pool.d/www.conf, which was installed with "php7.3-fpm". |
| 21:06.33 | gh00p | ratrace: tbh, I haven't used chroot either. |
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| 21:07.05 | ratrace | gh00p: yeah but there's no expanded documentation in the official PHP docs |
| 21:08.12 | ratrace | gh00p: because there used to be a non-obvious gotcha with open_basedir, you had to include PHP libs in that too |
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| 21:09.30 | gh00p | ratrace: well... chroot is mentioned in https://www.php.net/manual/en/install.fpm.configuration.php but I agree, it's not documented enough. |
| 21:09.50 | ratrace | gh00p: I know, it's listed there but doesn't say things I need it to say :) |
| 21:10.20 | gh00p | Makes one wonder if anyone at all besides the committer actually uses the feature. :) |
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| 21:10.41 | gh00p | OTOH, I bet you'd get errors that would tell you what you need if you tried to use it. |
| 21:11.00 | ratrace | gh00p: systemd security options and MACs make chroots obsolete relics from the past, as they're nowhere near as secure as these modern features |
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| 21:12.14 | gh00p | Good to know. I spend equal time in FreeBSD, where the security features are .. well, entirely different. I'm not particular familiar with systemd, other than basic usage. |
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| 21:12.44 | gh00p | But I suspect `chroot` in PHP long predates systemd. |
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| 21:13.57 | ratrace | gh00p: chroot syscall does at least |
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| 21:34.52 | disi | is the subkeys wiki out of date? https://wiki.debian.org/Subkeys |
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| 21:35.40 | greycat | I stopped even trying to understand gnupg 2.x. If the wiki page was written for gnupg 1.x then yes, it will be out of date, because as far as I can tell, NOTHING is the same between them. |
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| 21:36.35 | disi | i mean, it seems to address 2.x "If you are using GnuPG 2.1 or later, " |
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| 21:36.55 | disi | but step 6 fails "error changing passphrase: No secret key" |
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| 22:00.00 | alan_o | disi: I get that same message but the operation works. |
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| 22:00.50 | disi | i threw away all my changes because i think the answer to my original Q was "yes" :p |
| 22:01.08 | disi | that Q was: |
| 22:01.09 | disi | i followed the debian subkey wiki a year ago and now my (main) key has expired. i dug out the main key and extended the expiration and pushed to the keyservers, should i need to update anything directly in my .gnupg folder? or can i just --recv-keys MYKEY? (asking because i tried the latter and it didnt seem to work |
| 22:02.04 | alan_o | ah |
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| 22:38.49 | graphicsv | Can I share a Telegram group for Debian here? |
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| 22:44.29 | somiaj | not sure if it will get much response, and though it is about debian, advertising for different places isn't usually best |
| 22:44.55 | somiaj | in general I suggest not sharing it here |
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| 22:48.48 | KNERD | graphicsv: No...we don't do Censoship, and leaker Censorgram heere |
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| 22:49.18 | graphicsv | ok, nothing againts this channel. just like to have Debian users on Telegram and Discord too :) |
| 22:50.16 | KNERD | Yeah, two lovely censorship places |
| 22:50.32 | KNERD | noooo thanls |
| 22:51.47 | somiaj | graphicsv: I'm unsure the best place to advertise such groups. This is a support channel, so we try to focus on just support. #debian-offtopic may be appropriate to get users. |
| 22:51.54 | graphicsv | KNERD: What makes you think TG does censorship? |
| 22:52.01 | graphicsv | somiaj: That makes sense. Thank you |
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| 23:02.20 | melissa666 | hey my sound ain't workin and it's making me sad ... it was fine, and then suddenly no more noise |
| 23:02.44 | melissa666 | volume is up, not hardware disabled ... just no sound |
| 23:03.34 | mutante | i have that too on buster :( |
| 23:03.45 | somiaj | melissa666: dpkg -l | grep timidity |
| 23:03.50 | mutante | but under sound preferences it is just a dummy device |
| 23:03.53 | somiaj | melissa666: do you have timidity installed? |
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| 23:04.52 | teclo | ,v musescore |
| 23:04.53 | judd | Package: musescore on amd64 -- jessie: 1.3+dfsg1-0.1; stretch: 2.0.3+dfsg1-2+b1; stretch-backports: 2.3.2+dfsg2-7~bpo9+1; buster: 2.3.2+dfsg2-7~deb10u1 |
| 23:05.04 | somiaj | teclo: /msg judd musescore |
| 23:05.14 | melissa666 | somiaj, no timidity is not installed |
| 23:05.32 | melissa666 | I don't think ... that command you showed does nothing |
| 23:05.40 | somiaj | melissa666: hmm, okay, sometimes another application will grab the sound card before pulseaudio, thus making it so pulse cannot use it |
| 23:05.59 | melissa666 | I was using lmms when it happened |
| 23:06.05 | somiaj | lmms? |
| 23:06.17 | somiaj | timidity-daemon is just a program that has been known to do this |
| 23:06.23 | melissa666 | somiaj, https://lmms.io/ |
| 23:06.28 | teclo | hmmmm... it seems buster has Musescore 2.3.2 and sid has 2.3.1 ... is that normal sid has an older MuseScore than buster ? |
| 23:06.50 | ksk | ,v musecore |
| 23:06.51 | judd | No package named 'musecore' was found in amd64. |
| 23:07.19 | ksk | ,v musescore |
| 23:07.20 | judd | Package: musescore on amd64 -- jessie: 1.3+dfsg1-0.1; stretch: 2.0.3+dfsg1-2+b1; stretch-backports: 2.3.2+dfsg2-7~bpo9+1; buster: 2.3.2+dfsg2-7~deb10u1 |
| 23:07.33 | ksk | it does not seem to be in sid at all? |
| 23:08.01 | melissa666 | somiaj, if some application "grabbed the sound card" like you're talking about, is there a way to just reset to whatever default has been working for the past 2 years? |
| 23:08.26 | somiaj | teclo: looks to be an issue with what arches it is building for, this says sid has 3.2.3+dfsg1-3 |
| 23:08.32 | somiaj | teclo: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/musescore |
| 23:08.32 | teclo | ksk: packages.debian.org says it's Musescore 2.3.1 in sid |
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| 23:08.50 | maxrazer | Anyone know a guide for setting xdg-mime types so an application launches from the browser link? |
| 23:08.55 | somiaj | melissa666: have you tried rebooting, you could also see if any application is using the sound card with lsof. |
| 23:08.59 | teclo | https://packages.debian.org/sid/musescore |
| 23:09.01 | ksk | teclo: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/musescore |
| 23:09.04 | maxrazer | I have browsers that use launch like "quake2://" |
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| 23:09.17 | Guest60237 | anyone here |
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| 23:10.02 | Guest60237 | can you launch gui programs from wsl cmdline |
| 23:10.04 | melissa666 | somiaj, yes, I've tried rebooting/shutting down multiple times ... what should I grep for in lsof? |
| 23:11.12 | somiaj | melissa666: lsof | grep /dev/snd |
| 23:11.30 | teclo | ksk: indeed, my bad |
| 23:11.32 | somiaj | melissa666: also what is the output of 'cat /proc/asound/cards' do you see your sound card listed there. |
| 23:11.53 | somiaj | teclo: seems there is some issue with the auto generated p.d.o and judd's database, maybe something is happening in the build of the newer version. |
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| 23:13.21 | melissa666 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.32 | melissa666 | somiaj, ^ |
| 23:14.13 | somiaj | melissa666: did 'lsof | grep snd' return anything? |
| 23:15.19 | melissa666 | somiaj, https://pastebin.com/RCg3tfGr |
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| 23:17.18 | somiaj | melissa666: it appears pulse has your sound card opened just fine, I don't know why you can't select it from using your gui sound controls |
| 23:17.28 | somiaj | I suggest pavucontrol for that |
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