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| 00:15.02 | KNERD | well, they get notice when they try to log in and says it is banned |
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| 02:19.59 | annadane | what are the ports a debian system listens in on, where can i get a list? |
| 02:20.51 | hotsauce | netstat |
| 02:21.05 | hotsauce | or try lsof |
| 02:24.13 | annadane | what i'm really asking is what ports to avoid using for random applications i download, like what ports are usually taken by something else |
| 02:26.08 | SerajewelKS | annadane: that depends entirely on what else is running on your system |
| 02:26.32 | annadane | yeah, fair enough |
| 02:26.36 | SerajewelKS | annadane: ports 1-1023 are privileged and can only be bound by root |
| 02:27.04 | annadane | like i used 8051 for something, which i think is just generically a free port which is safe to use |
| 02:27.28 | SerajewelKS | annadane: 32768+ are ephemeral ports, which are automatically used as TCP client ports. those should be safe. |
| 02:27.55 | SerajewelKS | annadane: 8051 is not an IANA-registered port number |
| 02:28.23 | annadane | which means it's free? |
| 02:28.40 | SerajewelKS | annadane: which means nobody has asked IANA to designate that as the official port for some service |
| 02:28.59 | SerajewelKS | annadane: it's free if nothing is listening on it on your system |
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| 02:30.53 | annadane | i guess i just wonder what ports to not run stuff on beyond 1023, ports that are likely to be attacked |
| 02:31.04 | SerajewelKS | i would not worry about it |
| 02:31.22 | SerajewelKS | if you install something that wants that port, it will fail to start and you can figure out what to do then |
| 02:31.38 | SerajewelKS | but generally, picking something not on this list is pretty safe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers |
| 02:33.22 | annadane | oh, right. i forgot about that article |
| 02:37.20 | GenTooMan | if I want to run a virtual X display say 1:0 what utility do I use? What I want is a window that acts like a normal X display but is actually just a window. |
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| 02:44.07 | SerajewelKS | GenTooMan: 1:0 isn't a display number, do you mean :1? |
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| 02:45.41 | GenTooMan | serajewelKS probably sorry kind of tired so if I don't make complete sense then I might be suffering from memory loss |
| 02:46.39 | SerajewelKS | GenTooMan: you may be looking for Xnest |
| 02:47.22 | GenTooMan | serajewelks that sounds familiar |
| 02:48.23 | SerajewelKS | yeah i knew it existed, it took me over 15 google searches to find it |
| 02:48.39 | SerajewelKS | "x" and "window" are pretty ambiguous |
| 02:51.06 | GenTooMan | serajewelks xephyr is what I was looking for! |
| 02:51.44 | SerajewelKS | ah yeah i forgot there was more than one |
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| 02:52.11 | SerajewelKS | i used that back in the day playing neverwinter nights on linux, because the native linux version did not support running in a window at all, and alt-tabbing didn't work either, so you had to quit the game |
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| 02:52.23 | SerajewelKS | so i ran it in Xnest |
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| 02:55.19 | annadane | what's a way to start setting up a minimal kde plasma? apt install plasma-desktop? |
| 02:55.38 | annadane | the wiki has "kde-plasma-desktop" as the "minimal" option which however still installs a truckload of stuff |
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| 02:57.39 | annadane | meh i guess this is a dumb question i can research myself |
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| 03:11.46 | Chaos`Eternal | How many files can be created on a tmpfs? given that tmpfs can be mounted using nf_inodes=0 which is unlimited inodes. |
| 03:12.17 | Chaos`Eternal | But each file must occupy some bytes in the memory, and memory is not unlimited |
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| 03:15.37 | SerajewelKS | Chaos`Eternal: presumably it would be bounded by the available memory on the system |
| 03:15.46 | SerajewelKS | Chaos`Eternal: run a test and see |
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| 03:16.35 | Chaos`Eternal | Thank you SerajewelKS, I am trying to look into the kernel source to find some evidence |
| 03:16.42 | Chaos`Eternal | but totally lost |
| 03:17.53 | GenTooMan | serajewelks well you could not have run nwn in Xephyr, anyhow I got Xephyr to work how I wanted to. Apparently they made a NWN enhanced edition that runs under linux by the way. |
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| 03:25.49 | SerajewelKS | GenTooMan: i'm talking about the linux native NWN client. note that this is the 2002 game i'm talking about. |
| 03:26.23 | SerajewelKS | it ran fine in xnest |
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| 04:21.50 | live2live | anyone know how to make a live iso from within a live iso? I keep using tools either preventing me outright, or giving errors like the fact that overlayfs is needed, or the "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock error," probably a read-only issue |
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| 05:08.38 | crestfallen | hi after numerous failed attempts to install buster due to missing firmware issues - after editing the sources.list file numerous times using various suggestions, I attempted to install the antiX lightweight debian based os. I couldn't install and it looked like similar errors messages like could not resolve deb.debian ... security.debian etc. Am I burning the wrong iso to the usb I wonder? |
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| 05:11.53 | pheoxy1 | Maybe it's not so much you iso as a network issue? Did you set a DNS address? |
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| 05:17.36 | annadane | crestfallen, well i can't speak to antix but how'd you burn the debian iso? |
| 05:18.00 | annadane | but yeah, sounds like a networking thing |
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| 05:23.46 | crestfallen | annadane, I just used the dd command to copy to a thumbdrive |
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| 05:25.48 | annadane | crestfallen, maybe try the non free image https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.1.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-10.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 05:28.05 | crestfallen | annadane, thanks kindly checking that out |
| 05:28.17 | crestfallen | thanks pheoxy1 |
| 05:28.28 | annadane | should've suggested that first, but i'm stupid. better late than never |
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| 05:29.17 | notconnected | so I created a vlan to separate my iots but i can still ping from my main lan (not vlan'd), what am i doing wrong here, is it my router doing the all the routing? |
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| 05:31.07 | rue_mohr | is there an apt-get that will get AND unpack AND patch the linux kernel sources? |
| 05:33.12 | crestfallen | annadane, that link doesn't open a page the closest page I found looks similar to your link https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.1.0+nonfree/ |
| 05:33.27 | crestfallen | its slightly different |
| 05:33.29 | rue_mohr | I'm getting the feeling that debs are giving in to git |
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| 05:34.19 | annadane | crestfallen, well, strange. it's supposed to give a download link |
| 05:35.36 | crestfallen | I wonder if theyre the same |
| 05:37.00 | xormor | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.1.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
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| 05:46.42 | notconnected | any idea? |
| 05:47.10 | crestfallen | annadane, hi I got that link to work. can I burn that .iso file to a usbDrive? |
| 05:47.49 | annadane | crestfallen, yep |
| 05:48.01 | annadane | should be a hybrid image that works on USBs |
| 05:48.55 | crestfallen | thanks! I spent 5 hours so far with this . what a nuisance I don't understand why any of the netinst.iso 's wouldn't work |
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| 05:58.40 | rue_mohr | is there an apt-get that will get AND unpack AND patch the linux kernel sources? |
| 05:58.59 | rue_mohr | cause apt-get source ... didn't seem to work |
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| 06:17.16 | melissa666 | somiaj, are you still around? I think I found something re: that sound issue I was havinng earlier ... https://pastebin.com/7CZ8uuJa |
| 06:17.44 | melissa666 | I got that output from dmesg ... it seems like the intel sound card kernel module is crashing for some reason |
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| 06:22.16 | melissa666 | ... or anyone else for that matter? basically, I have no sound (for any applications) and I wants the sounds |
| 06:27.24 | melissa666 | Maybe I'll go to best buy and have the experts at Geek Squad help me. They know a lot about Linux. |
| 06:27.50 | melissa666 | needs to be distracted with tv streaming |
| 06:28.15 | grisher | What's the issue? |
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| 06:28.23 | grisher | Tried scrollng up but couldn't see |
| 06:30.21 | jelly | melissa666: which debian release is this? |
| 06:31.24 | jelly | [ 233.034381] CPU: 7 PID: 1479 Comm: pulseaudio Not tainted 5.3.0-1-amd64 #1 Debian 5.3.7-1 |
| 06:31.35 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 06:31.36 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.3.0-trunk-686-pae (5.3.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.3.0-1-686-pae (5.3.7-1); bullseye: 5.2.0-3-686 (5.2.17-1); buster-backports: 5.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (5.2.17-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u1); jessie-backports: |
| 06:31.37 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
| 06:33.14 | melissa666 | jelly, it's sid |
| 06:33.34 | melissa666 | grisher, alsa thinks my sound is working but it's not actually playing |
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| 06:33.55 | grisher | Did you install pulseaudio? |
| 06:34.00 | jelly | melissa666: things in sid break all the time, any particular reason to use it? |
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| 06:34.18 | grisher | I've been using sid for over 10 years without issues |
| 06:34.24 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 06:34.25 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 06:34.37 | grisher | At least, no major issues |
| 06:34.54 | jelly | grisher: you've been lucky |
| 06:35.04 | jelly | and this isn't a major issue either |
| 06:35.21 | melissa666 | grisher, yes, I installed pulse |
| 06:35.25 | grisher | sid isn't that bad |
| 06:35.59 | grisher | melissa666: what DE/WM? |
| 06:36.06 | jelly | it is that offtopic |
| 06:36.32 | melissa666 | grisher, kde |
| 06:36.41 | grisher | Inspiron 5770? |
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| 06:36.47 | jelly | because suggestions and solutions for a user of testing/unstable may differ significantly than tose for users of a current release |
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| 06:37.59 | melissa666 | grisher, yup |
| 06:39.44 | melissa666 | hey grisher, I just updated pulse and I'm gonna try to see if the update magically fixes it on restart ... brb |
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| 06:42.53 | ytf0rd | hello |
| 06:43.14 | ytf0rd | my package manager is destroyed |
| 06:43.20 | grisher | explain |
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| 06:43.46 | ytf0rd | I try to type apt search but it says error line 23 undefined |
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| 06:44.23 | ytf0rd | I cant use apt at all help me |
| 06:44.31 | grisher | ytf0rd: can you show me exactly what it says? |
| 06:44.35 | grisher | pastebin |
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| 06:44.39 | ytf0rd | ok |
| 06:44.41 | melissa666 | grisher, no dice :( ... still broken after restart |
| 06:45.13 | grisher | melissa666: is it both headphone jack and speakers not working? |
| 06:45.29 | melissa666 | grisher, yeah neither are working |
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| 06:45.50 | melissa666 | it's weird because this just strarted randomly without me upgrading any packages, etc |
| 06:45.59 | grisher | it was working before? |
| 06:46.19 | melissa666 | yeah, it's been working fine for >1yr |
| 06:46.39 | grisher | have you tried uninstalling/purging alsa/pulse and reinstalling? |
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| 06:48.47 | ytf0rd | this is the paste how do i fix it https://pastebin.com/S0MqBT2w |
| 06:49.15 | melissa666 | grisher, you think that would help, even though the error appears to be with kernel module? I tried modprobe snd-hda-intel and it gives me that crash/callback |
| 06:49.31 | melissa666 | meant trace |
| 06:49.34 | melissa666 | lol |
| 06:49.42 | grisher | ytf0rd: what the fuck |
| 06:49.50 | grisher | what did you do? |
| 06:49.53 | ytf0rd | I dont know |
| 06:50.01 | ytf0rd | ? how do I fix it? |
| 06:50.06 | ytf0rd | I added a custome repod |
| 06:50.11 | ytf0rd | "repo" |
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| 06:50.19 | grisher | sounds like you added a custom virus |
| 06:50.24 | ytf0rd | How? |
| 06:50.30 | ytf0rd | its debian |
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| 06:50.55 | grisher | debian can get viruses, mate |
| 06:51.10 | ytf0rd | What makes you think its a virus and not a glitch? |
| 06:51.17 | ytf0rd | in line 27 it looks all crazy |
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| 06:52.08 | ytf0rd | how do you find out if its a virus and how do I take it out? |
| 06:52.09 | grisher | melissa666: your soundcard is intel? |
| 06:52.16 | melissa666 | grisher, yes |
| 06:52.31 | grisher | ah, i looked up the laptop and it said realtek somewhere |
| 06:52.32 | melissa666 | found this, but not sure if related --> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205293 |
| 06:53.11 | melissa666 | 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio (rev 21) |
| 06:53.22 | grisher | ytf0rd: i mean, you could remove apt and reinstall it |
| 06:54.07 | melissa666 | .... but yeah, it's been a while since I did the install, and I haven't had to think about it, but I seem to recall a realtek card too lol ... but it's the intel audio module that's crashing |
| 06:54.16 | ytf0rd | how I dont have apt to remove it, also how do I know if its a virus? I didnt think I could get that on linux |
| 06:54.44 | melissa666 | oh nvm -- the realtek thing I was remembering was a network card |
| 06:54.46 | grisher | melissa666: curious. have you tried using an earlier kernel? |
| 06:54.55 | grisher | ytf0rd: with dpkg |
| 06:55.09 | grisher | dpkg --force-depends --purge apt |
| 06:55.09 | dpkg | grisher: are you using Windows? |
| 06:55.32 | grisher | then https://packages.debian.org/search?arch=amd64&keywords=apt install that |
| 06:55.53 | grisher | (dpkg -i package.deb) |
| 06:55.57 | melissa666 | grisher, no I haven't tried that yet, but seeing these bug reports, it seems like recent kernel broke lots of audio stuff so maybe I will :( |
| 06:56.15 | grisher | melissa666: yeah it's worth a go |
| 06:56.19 | grisher | what kernel are tou running? |
| 06:56.20 | grisher | you |
| 06:56.52 | grisher | 5.3.0-1? |
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| 06:57.16 | ytf0rd | I think my friend used my computer I did not install anything on my computer that would do this |
| 06:57.25 | jelly | ytf0rd: that pastebin looks like random junk |
| 06:57.28 | melissa666 | grisher, yes |
| 06:57.48 | grisher | same as mine,hmm |
| 06:58.02 | OerHeks | '<ytf0rd> I added a custome repo' .. so why did you do nothing now? |
| 06:58.04 | ytf0rd | jelly how do I know if its a virus like grisher says |
| 06:58.28 | jelly | ytf0rd: what precisely did you paste there? |
| 06:58.34 | ytf0rd | https://pastebin.com/S0MqBT2w |
| 06:58.43 | jelly | ytf0rd: which command is that from? |
| 06:58.59 | ytf0rd | apt |
| 06:59.22 | jelly | ytf0rd: that's not output of apt command. Which command exactly did you type in? |
| 06:59.41 | ytf0rd | apt search rust |
| 06:59.46 | jelly | it looks like some binary file opened in vim |
| 07:00.04 | grisher | troll, maybe |
| 07:00.22 | ytf0rd | Im not trolling my computer is broken |
| 07:00.30 | ytf0rd | and I dont know what to do |
| 07:00.33 | jelly | ytf0rd: what does "dpkg -l libc6 dpkg apt base-files | tail -n 4" say? |
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| 07:01.33 | ytf0rd | ii base-files 10.3 amd64 Debian base system miscellaneous files |
| 07:01.35 | ytf0rd | ii dpkg 1.19.7 amd64 Debian package management system |
| 07:01.37 | ytf0rd | ii libc6:amd64 2.28-10 amd64 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 07:01.39 | ytf0rd | y |
| 07:02.12 | jelly | ytf0rd: no apt line? |
| 07:02.27 | ytf0rd | thats all that came up |
| 07:02.33 | ytf0rd | i copied and pasted the terminal |
| 07:02.53 | grisher | try "dpkg -l libc6 dpkg apt base-files | tail -n 5" |
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| 07:03.11 | jelly | did you manage to remove the apt package somehow? Maybe by listening to this harmful command? <grisher> dpkg --force-depends --purge apt |
| 07:03.21 | ytf0rd | ii base-files 10.3 amd64 Debian base system miscellaneous files |
| 07:03.23 | ytf0rd | ii dpkg 1.19.7 amd64 Debian package management system |
| 07:03.25 | ytf0rd | ii libc6:amd64 2.28-10 amd64 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 07:03.37 | ytf0rd | yes |
| 07:03.45 | ytf0rd | I typed what grisher said to |
| 07:03.45 | jelly | ytf0rd: what does "which apt" say |
| 07:03.52 | jelly | facepalms |
| 07:04.10 | grisher | so reinstall it with dpkg |
| 07:04.15 | ytf0rd | apt not found |
| 07:04.19 | ytf0rd | how? |
| 07:04.24 | melissa666 | grisher, well ... for whatever reason, doing rmmod -f snd-hda-intel and then reloading worked |
| 07:04.33 | grisher | ytf0rd: with dpkg |
| 07:04.37 | jelly | ytf0rd: okay. is aptitude installed? |
| 07:04.43 | melissa666 | don't know if it's a permanent solution, but hey, I can go watch my shitty TV show now :) |
| 07:04.47 | melissa666 | thanks for all the help |
| 07:04.50 | ytf0rd | I think but it is still glitched |
| 07:04.54 | grisher | melissa666: that's.. strange |
| 07:05.01 | grisher | hopefully it stays working |
| 07:05.16 | grisher | ytf0rd: is it buster? |
| 07:05.24 | jelly | ytf0rd: what do "dpkg -l aptitude |tail -n1" and "which aptitude" say |
| 07:05.24 | ytf0rd | its debian 10 |
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| 07:06.04 | ytf0rd | /usr/bin/apt |
| 07:06.33 | ytf0rd | but when I type apt random crap shows up I didnt even look at |
| 07:06.37 | jelly | that can't be output of any of those commands |
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| 07:06.59 | ytf0rd | it gives me a txt file to read |
| 07:07.05 | jelly | ytf0rd: what do "dpkg -l aptitude |tail -n1" and "which aptitude" say |
| 07:07.23 | grisher | well |
| 07:07.26 | grisher | have fun feeding the troll |
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| 07:07.35 | ytf0rd | /usr/bin/apt |
| 07:07.46 | ytf0rd | I am not trolling |
| 07:08.04 | jelly | ytf0rd: I asked for output of two commands. Which one is that from. |
| 07:08.10 | ytf0rd | which apt |
| 07:08.16 | ytf0rd | itude |
| 07:08.22 | jelly | ... |
| 07:08.35 | ytf0rd | un aptitude <none> <none> (no description available) |
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| 07:09.41 | jelly | ytf0rd: ls -ld /usr/bin/apt |
| 07:10.05 | ytf0rd | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 18520 May 28 09:40 /usr/bin/apt |
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| 07:10.52 | jelly | ytf0rd: and what does "dpkg -S /usr/bin/apt" say? |
| 07:11.47 | ytf0rd | dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern *apt* |
| 07:11.55 | jelly | that is interesting |
| 07:12.04 | ytf0rd | what does it mean |
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| 07:12.32 | jelly | it means you're unable to type commands as-is |
| 07:12.47 | ytf0rd | what? what should I do? |
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| 07:13.58 | ytf0rd | I was on /g/ and someone there told me how to fix a problem with not being able to install i3-gaps and it jacked up my package manager what do I do now to fix it? |
| 07:14.44 | jelly | ytf0rd: how much time did you spend on this installation so far? |
| 07:14.54 | ytf0rd | 2 days |
| 07:15.01 | jelly | ytf0rd: reinstall |
| 07:15.48 | ytf0rd | So there is no way I can fix it :( |
| 07:15.48 | jelly | seeing as what you're telling us is somewhat unreliable, it's going to be hard to help in a reasonable timeframe |
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| 07:16.32 | ytf0rd | I also was not wearing programming socks could this have caused the error? |
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| 07:17.07 | jelly | grisher: okay, you called it :-) |
| 07:18.20 | jelly | grisher: it was still harmful to tell them to remove apt before diagnosing what went wrong with apt itself |
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| 07:21.07 | jelly | grisher: not to mention things like <grisher> sounds like you added a custom virus # which is what a (dumb) troll would say, too, avoid joking like that in a support channel |
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| 07:29.19 | ratrace | on a similar note, I had broken apt on my debian rescue usb thingy few days ago. error this, error that, out of the blue. |
| 07:29.40 | ratrace | then it dawned on me and I ran fsck badblocks on the usb stick. of course it was full of it, so to the trash bin it went. :) |
| 07:30.39 | jelly | I have a 15 year old 16GB stick for rescue that still works |
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| 07:31.38 | ratrace | jelly: you'll have to tell me which brands you're buying. because all the sticks I bought so far in local electronics shops, in the range of up to 10-15 €, died after a year or two. every. last. one. of. them. quickest death? few months. |
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| 07:33.36 | alphazulu | i'm trying to create a bootable usb key from a Lenovo bootable cd iso of their BIOS update so I can update under Linux. i tried to dd the image to the usb drive and tried a couple utilities like Rufus under Windows but neither works. Rufus says that the .iso is not a bootable image and refuses to even transfer it |
| 07:33.55 | gumgum | use dd |
| 07:34.07 | gumgum | on your terminal |
| 07:34.26 | alphazulu | gumgum: yes I did dd if = /image.iso of=/dev/sdb but the image doesn't boot |
| 07:34.29 | ratrace | alphazulu: bootable CD on the USB drive? only if the iso is so called "hybrid" for both CD and USB sticks |
| 07:34.45 | ratrace | otherwise, to the CD drive bay store! |
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| 07:35.02 | gumgum | dd if = /image.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=512 |
| 07:35.04 | alphazulu | i don't know WTF is wrong with Lenovo for offering only a bootable CD iso image |
| 07:35.39 | alphazulu | ratrace: oh sh!t |
| 07:36.13 | ratrace | alphazulu: might be possible to unpack and repack for usb tho' |
| 07:36.41 | alphazulu | the 'file" command reports the ISO as 'ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data' |
| 07:37.15 | alphazulu | i also tried mount -o loop img.iso /mnt/loop0 but /mnt/loop0 is just empty |
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| 07:37.21 | ratrace | that'd be pure CD iso methinks |
| 07:37.43 | ratrace | file would return the partitioning scheme like mbr or gpt, for hybrids |
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| 07:38.15 | alphazulu | ratrace: here's the full output of 'file': 'ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'N11UR18W' (bootable)' |
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| 07:39.02 | alphazulu | so maybe to do this update its easiest to just install a small windows partition? |
| 07:39.44 | ratrace | alphazulu: or maybe use freedos? what else do they have in the BIOS flashing software department? |
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| 07:44.16 | alphazulu | only offer the bootable CD and windows utility: https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-t-series-laptops/thinkpad-t550/20ck/20ckcto1ww/downloads/DS102339 |
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| 07:51.55 | alphazulu | i think i got it! this page describes how to use the geteltorito utility to convert the iso: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/update-lenovo-bios-from-linux-usb-stick-pen/ |
| 07:52.08 | alphazulu | bbiab |
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| 08:01.34 | alphazulu | it worked |
| 08:03.22 | humbot | woot |
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| 08:14.29 | genericum | is there a way to break out of a debian-proot on Android? |
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| 08:16.25 | Lope | ratrace, I've discovered an interesting quirk... |
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| 08:16.44 | ratrace | Lope: do tell |
| 08:16.45 | Lope | you can't put a symlink in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/ to a file elsewhere. |
| 08:17.03 | Lope | But you can do that with basically every other config file I've ever tried in /etc/ |
| 08:17.23 | Lope | well, you can put a symlink there, but it gets ignored. |
| 08:18.24 | ratrace | interesting |
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| 08:27.29 | Lope | hmm, even if you move the whole local-top dir out and symlink to it, that doesn't work either. |
| 08:28.49 | jelly | genericum: seeing as proot is completely emulated with ptrace, it should be, but you'll "escape" to the normal user running it as an app, not actual root |
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| 08:30.03 | colo-work | is anyone of you using a https server implementation on Debian that dynamically presents/renews Letsencrypt-signed certificates? if so, what do you use? |
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| 08:30.29 | Mathisen | colo-work, certbot + crontab |
| 08:30.53 | ratrace | Lope: I understand why it'd want to not allow symlinks, but at least it could dereference them. "it" being update-initramfs that copies over those paths. well anyway, good to know, no symlinks. |
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| 08:31.01 | ratrace | colo-work: dehydrated |
| 08:31.17 | jelly | dehydrated + crontab, too |
| 08:31.21 | colo-work | Mathisen, that doesn't do what I meant though :) I'm looking for something like caddy or openresty's lua-resty-auto-ssl |
| 08:31.29 | notconnected | ok, i have a vlan using 10.10.x.x and i have a machine running dns server (192.168.1.94), how come all the devices on that vlan cannot access the dns server (192.168.1.94)? i have applied firewall rules to allow vlan to use port 53. what am i doing wrong here? |
| 08:31.30 | ratrace | I use systemd timers though :) crontabs are so 1980s |
| 08:31.55 | colo-work | those implementations fetch certificate signatures "On the fly" from an ACME-compliant CA, the instant a TLS handshake is being made |
| 08:32.08 | ratrace | colo-work: sounds like security disaster waiting to happen |
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| 08:32.29 | Lope | ratrace, yep |
| 08:32.36 | ratrace | colo-work: because the https must NOT be able to write over cert files..... separation of concerns, privsep, you know the drill. |
| 08:32.39 | ratrace | *httpd |
| 08:32.42 | jelly | colo-work: very useful if you want to MITM all the TLS |
| 08:33.31 | colo-work | jelly, ratrace - I'm looking for something to park ~50 domains with minimal effort, with the landing page working for both http and https |
| 08:33.51 | jelly | colo-work: and you can't enumerate domains in advance why? |
| 08:34.21 | colo-work | well, I can. but I'd like to opt-in new domains into the "you're now parked"-state with the above setup with minimal effort, too. |
| 08:34.23 | ratrace | colo-work: unless you're extremely lazy, and by extremely I mean reward-winning, you just fill up domains.txt with your domains and run dehydrated -c. you can also write a few lines of shell code for its hook to install the certs and reload nginx. |
| 08:34.41 | colo-work | it'd be cool if it were enough to adjust an A record only, and have the rest of the machinery do its thing. |
| 08:34.53 | ratrace | I personally prefer /etc/ssl/somedir and use ssl-certs group with www-data in it for access there. |
| 08:35.06 | colo-work | I'm already using dehydrated for our "production"/important sites |
| 08:35.18 | ratrace | then you know how easy it is to use and maintain :) |
| 08:35.25 | colo-work | *sigh* |
| 08:35.33 | ratrace | huffs and puffs |
| 08:35.37 | notconnected | any idea why dns is not working? |
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| 08:36.08 | jelly | colo-work: I don't know of any implementation like that for nginx or haproxy or otherwise. You could make a hook/trigger for your dns server on record update/insert. |
| 08:36.42 | ratrace | Zen of Python applies here. Explicit is better than implicit. |
| 08:37.16 | jelly | intercepting TLS at SNI time crosses layers that probably shouldn't be crossed lightly |
| 08:37.26 | colo-work | jelly, caddy solves the ACME ALPN-01 challenge. I don't know how the openresty lua module does it. |
| 08:37.48 | jelly | sure CF or Google do it, but then they have devs for their own TLS library forks |
| 08:38.42 | jelly | ,v openresty |
| 08:38.43 | judd | No package named 'openresty' was found in amd64. |
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| 08:43.15 | alphazulu | i'm wondering: does a bios update only patch the existing bios or does it completely overwrite it? |
| 08:44.16 | colo-work | alphazulu, overwrite completely, in all cases I've ever seen. |
| 08:45.21 | colo-work | there might be parts of the PROM that aren't touched, but those are for stuff like a minimal recovery firmware for fixing a flash gone bad |
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| 08:48.30 | alphazulu | colo-work: ok. because i jumped two versions ahead with this update, and the last version included a CPU microcode update |
| 08:49.00 | colo-work | don't worry, that's fine |
| 08:49.16 | colo-work | Debian also provides CPU ucode in the non-free parts of the repo |
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| 08:54.48 | alphazulu | ;-) |
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| 09:27.50 | xparanoik | i have an NFS share on my /etc/fstab and systemd tries to mount it before my dhclient gets to bind an IP address (dhclient[534]: bound to 172.16.0.100 -- renewal in 40119 seconds.). any way to make the automount happen after the network has been established? |
| 09:28.24 | xparanoik | would "x-systemd.requires=network.target" as a mount option suffice? |
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| 09:45.35 | choice | Hello! When I enable Bluetooth, my laptop is visible to other devices. I cannot find a way to turn the visibility off. Is there a way to fix that? |
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| 09:51.08 | ratrace | xparanoik: that sounds reasonable. or use the "regular" fstab option _netdev |
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| 09:51.34 | ratrace | xparanoik: I'd use x-systemd.after=network-online.target |
| 09:51.46 | ratrace | network-online is a special target that is supposed to verify the net is actually up |
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| 09:56.36 | deleuze6 | choice: enabling Bluetooth is, by definition, making your laptop visible to other devices. This is a two-way protcol: what else could it be doing? |
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| 09:58.46 | choice | deleuze6: Not true. Neither my iPad nor my Phone are visible to other devices. |
| 09:58.59 | choice | deleuze6: Yet they work flawlessly for my purposes. |
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| 10:03.00 | ratrace | choice: first hit on google for "linux bluez make invisible" https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/47644/make-bluetooth-device-invisible-disable-incoming-pairing does that work for you? |
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| 10:04.12 | choice | ratrace: Connection attempts for devices that know it should still be possible. |
| 10:04.42 | choice | ratrace: This worked for me: 1) bluetoothctl 2) discoverable off |
| 10:05.16 | ratrace | ah cool |
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| 10:15.34 | simplicius | Hello |
| 10:15.49 | simplicius | How can I verify what version of gkk-devel I've installed? |
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| 10:16.40 | han-solo | dpkg -l | grep 'gkk-devel' ? |
| 10:16.40 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep 'gkk-devel' |
| 10:17.41 | han-solo | oh, it supports pattern, so, `dpkg -l *gkk-devel*` |
| 10:18.18 | simplicius | dpkg-query: no packages found matching *gkk-devel* |
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| 10:21.52 | simplicius | I need the package gtk3-devel but can't find it |
| 10:22.54 | han-solo | apt-cache search gtk3-dev |
| 10:23.06 | han-solo | -devel is actuall RHEL family naming convention |
| 10:23.09 | han-solo | debian uses `-dev` |
| 10:23.12 | simplicius | https://packages.debian.org/search?mode=path&suite=buster§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=gtk |
| 10:23.17 | simplicius | here there's no devel package |
| 10:23.54 | han-solo | https://packages.debian.org/search?mode=path&suite=buster§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=gtk3-dev |
| 10:24.35 | han-solo | so, i think, you are looking for `libghc-gtk3-dev` ? |
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| 10:25.11 | towo^work | libgtk-3-dev |
| 10:25.21 | towo^work | propably what he is looking for |
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| 10:25.42 | han-solo | oh, Okay |
| 10:26.40 | simplicius | now I've managed to compile with gcc fenster1.c -o fenster1 -Wall `pkg-config --libs --cflags gtk+-3.0` |
| 10:26.48 | simplicius | so I must have it already installed.. |
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| 10:28.11 | simplicius | dpkg -l *gtk+* dpkg-query: no packages found matching *gtk+* |
| 10:28.12 | dpkg | No packages found matching *gtk+* dpkg-query: no packages found matching *gtk+* |
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| 10:48.16 | alencar | Hello, guys. How are you? I'd like to help Debian project, somehow. Translating docs, or doing something worth for the project. What and how can I help? |
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| 10:55.34 | juhop | alencar: https://www.debian.org/intro/help |
| 10:55.47 | alencar | juhop: thanks |
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| 11:37.36 | KlausedSource | hello i run buster stable on my amd64 |
| 11:37.54 | KlausedSource | i installed nodejs and npm from the standard repo, but they are not compatible |
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| 11:38.40 | Habbie | KlausedSource, from what standard repo? |
| 11:38.48 | Habbie | KlausedSource, from debian buster itself? |
| 11:38.54 | Habbie | npm WARN npm npm does not support Node.js v10.15.2 |
| 11:38.56 | Habbie | oh that |
| 11:38.58 | Habbie | yes :( |
| 11:39.01 | Habbie | it's very sad |
| 11:39.34 | KlausedSource | yes Habbie |
| 11:40.04 | Habbie | i don't know what the official recommendation is |
| 11:40.08 | KlausedSource | actually it didnt work yesterday...but now i could use npm anyways despite the warning still showing |
| 11:40.28 | KlausedSource | before it was cancelling |
| 11:41.23 | KlausedSource | https://bpaste.net/show/HJ6W4 |
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| 11:52.19 | MarioMey | Hello. |
| 11:52.33 | MarioMey | What can I do as notify-send, in Debian? |
| 11:52.54 | MarioMey | I want to display a notification in screen with autoclose. |
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| 11:53.13 | MarioMey | I could use zenity, but it needs to be closed by clicking in Accept. |
| 11:53.27 | ratrace | MarioMey: you can use notify-send, it's in libnotify-bin |
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| 11:56.54 | enoq | hi, is there a package search for buster backports? |
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| 11:57.00 | Habbie | enoq, yes, packages.debian.org |
| 11:57.59 | enoq | where do I find backports? |
| 11:57.59 | enoq | search for unstable? |
| 11:58.57 | EmleyMoor | enoq: No, you want backports, not unstable... |
| 11:59.09 | enoq | can't really find it on that page |
| 11:59.30 | Habbie | once you get to a package listing or a search result, you can click through to backports |
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| 11:59.40 | Habbie | it's a bit confusing |
| 11:59.43 | EmleyMoor | Start by searching "any" |
| 12:00.03 | enoq | ah found it thanks |
| 12:00.15 | enoq | font is super tiny on a bigger monitor |
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| 12:02.16 | EmleyMoor | I've long been using Termius on my mobile phone to access my Debian systems, but Termius supports mosh which I have never successfully set up. Is there a guide to setting up mosh on the server end (all buster in my case)? |
| 12:03.12 | Habbie | EmleyMoor, apt install mosh |
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| 12:04.24 | EmleyMoor | Habbie: That fails on "successful". It seems totally dead when tried |
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| 12:05.09 | Habbie | EmleyMoor, fails on successful? what? |
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| 12:06.02 | EmleyMoor | It's "unsuccessful" in that no error is reported but it just plain doesn't work. Nothing is logged/printed/operational about it |
| 12:06.23 | Habbie | EmleyMoor, can you test from a laptop or PC first? |
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| 12:06.46 | EmleyMoor | Given how, I might be able to |
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| 12:07.12 | Habbie | suppose you would type 'ssh emley@moorsmachine.example.com', you would now type 'mosh emley@moorsmachine.example.com' |
| 12:07.53 | EmleyMoor | OK, so I use mosh as the client from one of my machines to another? Will try, short-to-mediumly |
| 12:08.29 | Habbie | EmleyMoor, yes |
| 12:08.52 | annadane | yeah there isn't a dedicated buster-backports search engine on packages.d.o, you have to specifically go to backports.debian.org i think is the url and search there |
| 12:08.56 | annadane | which is dumb and should be fixed |
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| 12:09.25 | Habbie | annadane, on packages you can click backports the moment you have a search result, it's just missing from the dropdowns on the frontpage |
| 12:09.36 | annadane | yeah, i know. you just can't search it |
| 12:09.48 | Habbie | yes you can, just takes an extra step |
| 12:09.52 | Habbie | like https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=buster-backports&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image-amd64 |
| 12:09.59 | annadane | can't search specifically for backports, i mean |
| 12:10.06 | Habbie | yes you can :) |
| 12:10.21 | Habbie | search in whatever, then on the results page, click backports at the top |
| 12:10.24 | Habbie | now you are searching in backports |
| 12:10.26 | EmleyMoor | annadane: s/just can't/can't just/ - word order makes a difference to what you actually meant |
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| 12:10.34 | Habbie | ah |
| 12:10.37 | Habbie | language |
| 12:10.41 | annadane | i meant just can't, though |
| 12:10.43 | annadane | anyway, whatever |
| 12:10.43 | Habbie | connecting and dividing people :) |
| 12:10.49 | annadane | we're infinitely splitting hairs here |
| 12:10.53 | Habbie | well no |
| 12:10.59 | Habbie | i think it's important to note that it is possible, just hard |
| 12:11.02 | Habbie | as opposed to impossible |
| 12:11.25 | EmleyMoor | "just can't" means impossible. "can't just" means not possible directly |
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| 12:11.27 | han-solo | agreed on doable! |
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| 12:11.43 | annadane | i'm using "just can |
| 12:11.47 | annadane | 't" as slang |
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| 12:11.58 | Habbie | annadane, that's so confusing as to be useless ;) |
| 12:12.00 | Habbie | bbl |
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| 12:12.23 | annadane | anyway the *dropdown menu* doesn't have backports |
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| 12:12.56 | Habbie | indeed |
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| 12:22.33 | EmleyMoor | How bizarre! mosh now works |
| 12:27.27 | EmleyMoor | All I need to do is somehow make it detect agent presence and not prompt for passphrase |
| 12:27.52 | nvz | EmleyMoor: mosh uses ssh over tcp to authenticate and exchange keys, and start mosh-server on udp then the connection is established with mosh-server and the mosh client |
| 12:27.57 | EmleyMoor | (any hints? Will check docs anyway. In prep for this month's backups at present) |
| 12:28.03 | nvz | you can actually set what ssh command it sends |
| 12:28.46 | EmleyMoor | nvz: Not related to my problem. It's "once connected" I'm hitting this issue |
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| 12:31.01 | MarioMey | thanks, ratrace! |
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| 12:32.23 | nvz | once you're connected to mosh, there is no issue.. its a no-timeout portable connection you can hop networks, put the machine to sleep, no matter what it stays connected |
| 12:32.49 | EmleyMoor | nvz: That's miles from the issue. |
| 12:33.07 | EmleyMoor | This is "within session" stuff |
| 12:33.19 | nvz | then it has nothing to do with mosh |
| 12:33.44 | EmleyMoor | nvz: It has to do with mosh only that in the behaviour is different with mosh than without |
| 12:34.34 | EmleyMoor | Without, the presence of the agent is detected and my shell rc skips a passphrase-asking. With, it seeming isn't and therefore the asking happens |
| 12:34.51 | nvz | what agent, and what passphrase asking? |
| 12:34.58 | nvz | your scripts are broken.. |
| 12:35.03 | nvz | you're doing something wrong |
| 12:36.38 | nvz | if you mean the local agent on the client sending a key, that all happens through ssh not mosh |
| 12:36.57 | EmleyMoor | nvz: I'm doing something I've been doing for years, using a stanza in my .zshrc - and with mosh it's behaving differently |
| 12:37.21 | nvz | requiring a password when you start your shell? |
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| 12:38.17 | EmleyMoor | Yes, because "$SSH_AUTH_SOCK" = "" |
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| 12:38.46 | nvz | why are you even checking this stuff? |
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| 12:39.04 | nvz | if you ran the shell as a user remotely, you've already been authenticated |
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| 12:40.21 | nvz | the whole point of mosh is to not need tcp keepalive or anything.. to just open the ssh connection, send a command to start mosh, exchange the server's key, and close |
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| 12:40.47 | nvz | relying on ssh for some rc script in your shell is just silly |
| 12:40.49 | EmleyMoor | nvz: This is for when I ssh "further"... |
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| 12:42.46 | EmleyMoor | This is not for simply "client" -> "server" but for scenarios in which it's "client" -> "one server" -> "another server" and the ssh-agent on the client is the one I want it to use. Of course, this may be a non-starter with mosh, in which case I need another test to skip this part of the script when mosh is in use |
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| 12:44.19 | jelly | EmleyMoor: you might use ProxyJump if you go machine A -(ssh)-> B -(ssh)-> C |
| 12:44.31 | nvz | https://heipei.io/2015/02/26/SSH-Agent-Forwarding-considered-harmful/ |
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| 12:46.09 | EmleyMoor | has heard the arguments on agent forwarding many times, but has not heard of proxyjump |
| 12:46.54 | EmleyMoor | Indeed, I like to eliminate potentially harmful stuff but not to my detriment |
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| 12:50.38 | jelly | nvz: a butter knife is harmful is you don't know how to use it |
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| 12:51.23 | nvz | jelly: idk.. the plastic ones maybe :P |
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| 12:52.18 | nvz | unless you're trying to butter the bread while its in the toaster.. |
| 12:52.43 | nvz | in which case the butter knife isn't really your problem |
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| 13:02.45 | cybrNaut | for a good time, run "aptitude install toot" |
| 13:03.15 | cybrNaut | (that is, for those who like to have a good time debugging errors) |
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| 13:08.17 | jelly | ,i toot |
| 13:08.18 | judd | Package toot (web, optional) in buster/amd64: mastodon cli client. Version: 0.21.0-1; Size: 20.6k; Installed: 104k; Homepage: https://github.com/ihabunek/toot |
| 13:08.26 | jelly | ,v toot |
| 13:08.27 | judd | Package: toot on amd64 -- buster: 0.21.0-1; bullseye: 0.24.0-1; sid: 0.24.0-1 |
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| 13:08.35 | jelly | ,checkbackport toot |
| 13:08.36 | judd | Backporting package toot in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12). |
| 13:08.42 | jelly | wat |
| 13:08.46 | jelly | ,v debhelper |
| 13:08.47 | judd | Package: debhelper on amd64 -- jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; stretch: 10.2.5; stretch-backports: 12.1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 12.1.1; buster-backports: 12.6.1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 12.7.1; sid: 12.7.1 |
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| 13:30.00 | annadane | if you don't specify a release i assume ,checkbackport checks sid by default? |
| 13:30.04 | annadane | sid -> stable |
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| 13:34.13 | jelly | annadane: in this channel, checkbackport checks testing -> stable |
| 13:34.31 | jelly | fsvo "testing" and "stable" |
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| 13:34.57 | jelly | or it used to |
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| 13:35.39 | annadane | which makes sense i guess because backports are taken from testing |
| 13:36.11 | annadane | i've (mistakenly) done the manual --fromrelease sid when answering user questions about software they need (i guess because it might be newer than testing) but i shouldn't |
| 13:37.02 | ratrace | annadane: no I think in those cases sid was correct, it's about making your own backports |
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| 13:39.51 | lembron | uhm, did i screw something up or is it normal that mdadm/mkconf now puts out "/dev/md/2" instead of "/dev/md2"? |
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| 13:40.20 | lembron | appears somewhat broke to me ;D |
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| 13:40.55 | colo-work | lembron, it's a different path, leading to the same device (either via symlinks, or it's a blockdev with identical major, minor numbers) |
| 13:41.26 | lembron | "file /dev/md/2" pops out a "no such file or directory" tho... |
| 13:41.58 | lembron | file /dev/md2 -> block special |
| 13:43.24 | colo-work | files in /dev/md/ are symlinks here, and will probably get set up by udev the next time rules are applied on your box |
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| 13:46.43 | annadane | found an easier shortcut |
| 13:46.51 | annadane | ,checkbackport htop sid |
| 13:46.52 | judd | Backporting package htop in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12). |
| 13:47.05 | annadane | instead of --fromrelease |
| 13:47.22 | lembron | hm md1 existed before that boot (initial) and also doesnt exist as /dev/md/1 - /dev/md itself is a 404 too... guess ill see after reboot if it comes back or not ;D |
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| 13:49.23 | ratrace | lembron: happens with "named" md's, ie. not numeric |
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| 13:49.58 | lembron | hm it "auto-named" itself yes... but i usually kick that name from mdadm.conf anyways |
| 13:50.38 | lembron | and id assume /dev/md2 will still work hm? - or is that exclusive one or the other and i f* myself now? ;D |
| 13:51.25 | ratrace | lembron: haven't looked into it deper, but if oyu explicitly created /dev/md2 then yes it exist, symlinked to /dev/md/2 (assuming you had /dev/md1 before) |
| 13:51.45 | ratrace | lembron: ie names under /dev directly are just shorthands, the real md devices are under /dev/md/ |
| 13:52.27 | ratrace | come to think of it, it's not about named vs numeric at all... it's just how it works |
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| 13:53.09 | lembron | well that makes `ls: cannot access '/dev/md': No such file or directory` even more suspicous tho... |
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| 13:53.46 | lembron | 21 more minutes to sync, then ill reboot and see if we get crash&burn =) |
| 13:54.07 | ratrace | lembron: hrm, then maybe I was right about named vs mdX |
| 13:54.22 | ratrace | mdadm is a steamin pile of "how the EFF does this work at all!" |
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| 13:54.41 | ratrace | looking at my setups I have named md's and they are symlinks from /dev/md/ into /dev/mdXXX |
| 13:56.36 | lembron | hm, i explicitly called the create "without the / " - but mkconf also has a huge "this may be very wrong review!" section, so prob just expecting someone to "not use those old paths" - especially with 1.2 meta or so... |
| 13:58.02 | lembron | cause mkconf prints "/dev/md1" correctly - but thats just 0.9 |
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| 14:05.19 | pagetelegram | morning: Is there a tool client (xwin) in repository for adb for backing up media of Andriod device on Deb that is recommended? |
| 14:05.58 | lembron | uhm thats a nope |
| 14:06.01 | lembron | gone explody |
| 14:06.04 | pagetelegram | Trying to reframe from getting all cloudy |
| 14:07.03 | lembron | well now after reboot i do indeed have "stuff" in /dev/md/ - even "named" not numbers arg D; |
| 14:07.09 | pagetelegram | BlackBerry BB10 and BBOS was easy to backup not just media though everything. Now everything is going to s***t with this forced cloud stuff. |
| 14:07.58 | pagetelegram | Not only is it giving your data up in hands of third party but I'm on a 60kb/s connection. |
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| 14:27.06 | lembron | uhm okay now im lost tho... |
| 14:27.25 | lembron | i still get a auto-read-only md126 after reboot :/ |
| 14:28.42 | lembron | and "yes ive wrote out mdadm.conf" and also "yes mdadm --assemble --scan" assembles correctly after the host booted |
| 14:29.03 | lembron | anything else that changed there with 10 to be aware? |
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| 14:35.18 | ratrace | lembron: isn't auto-read-only by default for degraded pools? first attempt to write would turn it rw, iirc |
| 14:35.37 | ratrace | I mean, did you try to write to it? |
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| 14:36.18 | lembron | it got a filesystem and was syncing before reboot yep |
| 14:37.17 | lembron | "mdadm --stop /dev/md127 && mdadm --assemble --scan && mdadm --readwrite /dev/md2" 'fixes' it so its all "there" |
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| 14:37.59 | lembron | found something -> "The kernel assembled the arrays prior to the normal time to assemble the arrays occurs. When the kernel assembles the arrays, it does not use mdadm.conf. Since the partitions had already been assembled by the kernel, the normal array assembly which uses mdadm.conf was skipped" |
| 14:38.11 | lembron | "Calling sudo update-initramfs -u tells the kernel take a look at the system again to figure out how to start up." --- and indeed that works |
| 14:38.33 | lembron | wasnt needed the past 6 years ive been doing those things ;/ |
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| 14:39.07 | ratrace | I'll just repeat myself about mdadm being a steamin pile of "how does this even work!" :) |
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| 14:39.59 | lembron | uhm actualyl more fun |
| 14:40.14 | lembron | seems that was "half the fix" or so... |
| 14:40.38 | lembron | it now made a "md2" - but thats readonly again - and actualy consisnt of two wron partitions ;D |
| 14:41.18 | ratrace | lembron: auto-read-only is not an error, it turns normal the moment you attempt to write |
| 14:41.26 | lembron | guess thats now to blame on mdadm.conf beeing "no in sync" anymore or so... - still have dev/md/2 in there, lemme switch that and rebot again... |
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| 14:43.35 | darsie | How do I permanently turn off bash smart completion? |
| 14:43.59 | greycat | Comment out the lines that read bash-completion in your ~/.bashrc file. |
| 14:44.28 | ratrace | has no such lines and bash-completion still works... |
| 14:44.30 | darsie | 'complete' is not in my .bashrc. |
| 14:44.42 | darsie | ratrace: *smart* completion. |
| 14:44.43 | greycat | wooledg:~$ grep bash-comple /etc/skel/.bashrc |
| 14:44.43 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.43 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.54 | ratrace | oh |
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| 14:46.03 | greycat | or you could remove the bash-completion package entirely, but commenting out the lines is a bit less intrusive |
| 14:46.12 | darsie | found completion, not complete :). |
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| 14:49.50 | lembron | uhm.. still ;D - so.. ratrace what do you mean? - i DID format it - buts its not mounted or has ever was - is that my issue? - mount it once, drop a 0byte file im good" like deal? |
| 14:51.02 | ratrace | lembron: I mean the array is in "auto-read-only" mode until you write to it. try creating a file on the fs that's on the auto-read-only md |
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| 14:52.32 | lembron | so... "at the start" i was indeed missing the `update-initramfs -u` - but every further buggering after that was pointless cause "it was fine" and i just didnt saw it as such? great ;D |
| 14:52.58 | lembron | and ye, mounted it, and /proc/mdstat looks fine now :) thanks |
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| 15:16.12 | deicide- | whats the debian posting thingy? |
| 15:16.15 | deicide- | for log |
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| 15:16.28 | greycat | are you talking about http://paste.debian.net/ ? |
| 15:16.42 | deicide- | yes thx |
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| 15:25.39 | horribleprogram | Noob Q: how do I know if my laptop's motherboard supports UEFI |
| 15:26.04 | horribleprogram | efibootmgr -v --> EFI variables are not supported on this system. |
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| 15:26.18 | avu | horribleprogram: boot some live cd and check if /sys/firmware/efi/efivars exists |
| 15:26.39 | greycat | Every firmware is unique and special. You'll have to whack the keys when booting, try to get into the firmware menu, try to poke around and find things. |
| 15:26.39 | avu | horribleprogram: if it doesn't, check the setup of the board, there might be some "legacy os" or similar setting enabled |
| 15:27.23 | horribleprogram | avu: your first option is too time consuming, I gotta make a Live USB |
| 15:27.48 | horribleprogram | greycat: iight |
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| 15:43.15 | horribleprogram | greycat: anything I can do in the GRUB command-line? |
| 15:43.43 | greycat | Ctrl-Alt-Del might work to restart, maybe |
| 15:44.30 | horribleprogram | yeah it did |
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| 15:47.15 | horribleprogram | so it's ultimately the firmware on the motherboard |
| 15:47.23 | horribleprogram | that decides whether you have UEFI or BIOS |
| 15:47.42 | greycat | yes |
| 15:47.44 | horribleprogram | kk |
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| 15:54.08 | webstrand | How can I prevent apt-get install apache2 from installing and starting the service? I just want the package installed |
| 15:54.29 | horribleprogram | webstrand: I seriously don't think it does |
| 15:54.34 | greycat | You don't. You can't. Debian doesn't have that capability. Just stop it after installing it. |
| 15:54.35 | Mathisen | just turn it off after otherwsise. |
| 15:54.59 | horribleprogram | systemctl disable apache2 |
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| 15:55.12 | greycat | "stop" rather than disable |
| 15:55.18 | horribleprogram | sorry yes |
| 15:55.26 | webstrand | The problem is: apache2 sometimes hangs after installation |
| 15:55.28 | annadane | also 'installing the service' is weird. services aren't 'installed' |
| 15:55.28 | horribleprogram | stop prevents it from starting during bootup |
| 15:55.40 | annadane | no, that's mask |
| 15:55.44 | greycat | No. 'stop' makes it stop running right now. |
| 15:55.52 | greycat | 'disable' is what prevents it from starting at next boot. |
| 15:55.57 | webstrand | by installing the service: from the apt-get output `Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/apache2.service → /lib/systemd/system/apache2.service` |
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| 15:56.34 | annadane | sorry, mask is a stronger disable |
| 15:56.40 | annadane | disable is probably more correct |
| 15:57.00 | greycat | 'disable' makes it so that it WILL NOT run next time you boot, but it CONTINUES RUNNING RIGHT NOW. |
| 15:57.06 | horribleprogram | ^ |
| 15:57.19 | webstrand | So the best option is to mask the service with systemd before `apt-get install apache2`? |
| 15:57.25 | greycat | ... |
| 15:57.27 | horribleprogram | webstrand: dude |
| 15:57.31 | greycat | I give up. |
| 15:57.37 | horribleprogram | webstrand: apt-get install apache2 |
| 15:57.43 | Mathisen | the best option is to fix the error that makes it hang |
| 15:57.44 | horribleprogram | webstrand: followed by sudo systemctl disable apache2 |
| 15:57.50 | horribleprogram | webstrand: followed by sudo systemctl stop apache2 |
| 15:58.02 | greycat | Why do you keep saying to disable it? |
| 15:58.03 | horribleprogram | now, it will not start on bootup |
| 15:58.07 | horribleprogram | next time |
| 15:58.14 | horribleprogram | greycat: cuz he said he doesn't want it started on bootup |
| 15:58.34 | horribleprogram | he just wants the package installed |
| 15:58.47 | greycat | When did they say that? |
| 15:58.49 | webstrand | Buy why start it in the first place? I'm still configuring the system, so the service starts into an invalid state |
| 15:58.52 | greycat | I don't see it in /lastlog. |
| 15:59.00 | greycat | webstrand: because that's how Debian works. |
| 15:59.04 | annadane | disable = disable on bootup, stop = stop right now, mask = never start, although i don't know if that means it stops right now when you mask it |
| 15:59.14 | greycat | It's policy. It's always been that way. It will always be that way. Things run when you install them. |
| 15:59.21 | greycat | If you don't like that, too bad. |
| 15:59.47 | greycat | 'mask' prevents you from even starting it manually. It makes the service completely inaccessible. |
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| 16:00.08 | webstrand | I'm sorry, I hadn't realized that this was a controversial topic? I'm not trying to troll you. |
| 16:00.21 | webstrand | I'm just unfamilliar with debian |
| 16:00.35 | annadane | but does systemctl mask foo means it also stops when you type that? |
| 16:00.58 | greycat | It had better do so, because you won't be able to 'stop' it manually. |
| 16:00.59 | webstrand | no, masking is just a symlink to /dev/null the service keeps whatever state it was in before the mask |
| 16:01.08 | annadane | okay |
| 16:01.29 | annadane | why am i being lazy and not doing research... |
| 16:02.33 | greycat | Hmm, the manual says you can't start a masked service, but maybe you can stop one. There's also a --now option that says "stop it too", which you're allowed to use when doing 'mask' or 'disable'. |
| 16:03.07 | greycat | Very confusing. |
| 16:03.08 | webstrand | It may be stopped when you call `systemctl daemon-reload` |
| 16:03.38 | webstrand | That's how systemd behaves when you edit a service and remove it's ExecStart rule |
| 16:03.44 | annadane | poettering!! *shakes fist* |
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| 16:07.22 | annadane | https://paste.debian.net/1114079/ |
| 16:07.57 | annadane | so yes apparently masked services remain running but can be turned off |
| 16:08.16 | greycat | That is so incredibly weird. |
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| 16:18.35 | webstrand | I've masked apache2 and that works perfectly. But in the apt-get output, error messages mention that dpkg-systemd-helper is using `systemctl preset` to enable the service |
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| 16:19.01 | webstrand | It looks like (and comments in dpkg-systemd-helper) indicate that I should be able to override the apache2 preset? |
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| 16:31.34 | webstrand | Ah, preset only affects enable/disable, not starting the service |
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| 16:32.14 | greycat | 1) install apache2, 2) stop it from running. |
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| 16:32.37 | greycat | Presumably followed by something like 3) edit the configs, 4) start it back up |
| 16:34.04 | webstrand | The trouble's more with mounts that aren't available yet. apache2 starts and then hangs indefinitely in the kernel as it waits for the mounts. Its not actually possible to kill the process, even with SIGKILL |
| 16:34.32 | annadane | sounds like a potential bug report |
| 16:34.35 | greycat | I don't have any clue what you are talking about. |
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| 16:35.31 | webstrand | So, if a process tries to access (readdir i assume?) a mountpoint that is unavailable, such as an automount |
| 16:35.53 | webstrand | the syscall may sleep indefinitely, until the mount becomes available |
| 16:35.58 | webstrand | similar issue with NFS shares |
| 16:36.08 | greycat | Why in the hell would apache's default configuration be trying to access a thing that you've declared to be under the control of automount? |
| 16:36.39 | greycat | It sounds like you're creating problems for yourself. |
| 16:36.50 | webstrand | yeah, probably. |
| 16:37.27 | webstrand | MY biggest mistake is probably assuming that /var/www is user controlled |
| 16:37.51 | webstrand | apt really doesn't like it when it's mounted read-only |
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| 16:54.36 | Kats99 | hey in crontab, i put a test command like this /bin/ls > ~/ls.txt but it ain't workin |
| 16:56.39 | greycat | What error message do you get from cron in your email? |
| 16:57.04 | Kats99 | i havent checked |
| 16:58.23 | Kats99 | actually i dont have mail utils |
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| 16:58.52 | greycat | cat /var/mail/$LOGNAME |
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| 16:59.23 | no_gravity | How do I know which port X uses? |
| 16:59.47 | greycat | It doesn't use a tcp port by default. |
| 16:59.51 | greycat | wooledg 1272 1271 0 Oct22 tty1 00:30:26 /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg -nolisten tcp :0 vt1 -keeptty -auth /tmp/serverauth.BU7JkCuq7L |
| 16:59.59 | Kats99 | greycat: nothing in there |
| 16:59.59 | greycat | see the "-nolisten tcp"? |
| 17:00.13 | greycat | Kats99: then check for logs of the job actually RUNNING. In /var/log/. |
| 17:00.28 | greycat | Kats99: perhaps you screwed up the time/date fields |
| 17:00.28 | no_gravity | greycat: I just managed to use Firefox inside a docker container and have it display on my host. To do that I had to give the container full network access to the host. |
| 17:00.35 | no_gravity | greycat: So I guess it used tcp? |
| 17:00.48 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 17:05.51 | Kats99 | greycat: got it.. i actually didnt exit out of the editor and just waited for the output in another terminal |
| 17:06.28 | jelly | no_gravity: X server uses a local unix domain socket by default, stored under /tmp/.X11-unix/. docker might give access to unix domain sockets on host under "full network access" for all we know. |
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| 17:07.24 | no_gravity | jelly: I am mountint /tmp/.X11-unix into the container. |
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| 17:08.05 | no_gravity | jelly: My whole solution to run Firefox inside docker uses these 4 additional docker params: |
| 17:08.16 | no_gravity | -e DISPLAY --net=host -v ~/.Xauthority:/root/.Xauthority -v /tmp/.X11-unix:/tmp/.X11-unix |
| 17:08.22 | no_gravity | Works like a charm. |
| 17:08.32 | avu | and accomplishes what exactly? :) |
| 17:09.10 | no_gravity | avu: When I type "firefox<enter>" inside the container, Firefox appears on my screen. |
| 17:09.22 | no_gravity | avu: Running in the container, but displaying on my hosts display. |
| 17:10.04 | avu | no_gravity: that part I get, the upside of this as opposed to just running firefox normaly eludes me |
| 17:10.43 | no_gravity | avu: The container is a test environment that automates Firefox to test my website. Sometimes I want to watch what it is doing. |
| 17:11.04 | jelly | no_gravity: then access to those few paths is what made the X client "firefox" work and connect to your X server. network access probably just allowed it to, well, do its usual job |
| 17:11.18 | no_gravity | juhop: "usual job"? |
| 17:11.25 | jelly | browse web. |
| 17:11.26 | avu | no_gravity: that actually sounds useful! :) |
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| 17:11.40 | no_gravity | jelly: It was able to do that before. |
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| 17:12.10 | no_gravity | jelly: Docker by default exposes the internet to containers. |
| 17:12.58 | jelly | no_gravity: that seems unwise from docker's end, I did not expect that! |
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| 17:13.23 | no_gravity | jelly: I think the internet is not considered a very sensitive resource these days. |
| 17:13.37 | greycat | You saw "docker" and you didn't expect a bad decision or outcome? |
| 17:14.25 | no_gravity | Is there a way to figure out which users directory holds the .Xauthority of the current X session? |
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| 17:15.45 | no_gravity | At the moment I hardcoded exposing /home/thatuser/.Xauthority to the container. |
| 17:15.50 | jelly | morbid curiosity is a well known phenomenon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubbernecking |
| 17:16.09 | no_gravity | To make this a general solution, that one should be dynamic. |
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| 17:16.46 | jelly | no_gravity: it's either in XAUTHORITY env.var. or ~/.Xauthority |
| 17:16.53 | greycat | Well, when you see the ambulances and fire trucks, you expect to see a mess, right? So, when you see "docker", the expectations should match your past experiences. |
| 17:17.24 | no_gravity | jelly: Awesome! I see it in $XAUTHORTITY |
| 17:17.33 | no_gravity | Now how do I read that from PHP ... |
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| 17:17.53 | jelly | $ENV{XA... no, that's perl |
| 17:18.04 | jelly | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 17:18.29 | no_gravity | getenv('XAUTHORITY') |
| 17:18.30 | no_gravity | Yay! |
| 17:18.52 | avu | oh sure, starting a docker container with access to the X server from a PHP script, what could possibly go wrong! |
| 17:19.01 | no_gravity | avu: Nothing so far. |
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| 17:19.26 | no_gravity | I have been developing in an environment inside a docker container executed by a PHP script for months now. |
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| 17:19.38 | jelly | !comfort no_gravity |
| 17:19.38 | dpkg | There, there, no_gravity. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:19.56 | avu | no_gravity: post the URL where it's available, maybe you'll receive some free pentesting. Make sure to have a backup though |
| 17:20.10 | no_gravity | avu: Where what is available? |
| 17:20.39 | avu | no_gravity: that PHP monstrosi^Wapp of yours |
| 17:20.55 | greycat | avu: I initially assumed, as you are, that the PHP script was connected with some sort of web service. But they never actually *said* that, at least not during the brief periods they've been off /ignore. *shrug* |
| 17:21.35 | no_gravity | No web service. It is a command line thing. It is pretty much my alternative to docker compose. |
| 17:21.37 | jelly | jokes aside, which language you use for casual scripting is none of our concern and it is possible to write sane code in php. |
| 17:21.50 | avu | greycat: true. I just can't imagine anybody using PHP for anything other than a web"service" of sorts (and even there it's nothing I would ever do) |
| 17:22.24 | avu | command line things in PHP, what crazy world we live in |
| 17:22.36 | jelly | avu: I still use perl5 for one-off stuff |
| 17:23.00 | avu | jelly: still a better romance than twilight, I mean a better language than PHP |
| 17:23.22 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: I have seen a pretty good explanation of why PHP _requires_ you to write bad code. |
| 17:23.28 | avu | I use perl5 interactively sometimes since I'm too lazy to actually lern awk |
| 17:23.50 | jelly | perhaps. But this channel is not #use_a_better_language |
| 17:24.03 | greycat | !start a language war |
| 17:24.03 | dpkg | Logo is more readable than ML |
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| 17:33.21 | aHoo | oh hai |
| 17:33.29 | aHoo | i accidentally my /etc/tor/torrc |
| 17:33.37 | aHoo | reinstalling the package won't restore it |
| 17:34.02 | greycat | !confmiss |
| 17:34.03 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 17:34.03 | aHoo | why? |
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| 17:34.07 | Wulf | Hello |
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| 17:35.04 | Wulf | I've installed Debian 10 with gnome desktop. I'm now trying to setup a keyboard shortcut to run gnome-terminal. In the keyboard settings I'm missing a "Launch terminal" option. How do I setup this shortcut? |
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| 17:35.34 | jelly | Run Application? |
| 17:35.39 | jelly | or something similar? |
| 17:35.59 | Wulf | oh, never mind. I missed the "+" at the bottom. |
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| 17:38.18 | annadane | oh right i need to set up tor relays |
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| 17:50.54 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 17:50.54 | dpkg | <stuckey> Anyone here understand cmake? <Slurb> i know that its the c version of make |
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| 17:53.22 | greycat | Hmm, there are qotd's past 299 but qotd and qotd0 don't know about them. |
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| 17:55.54 | greycat | I think 301 doesn't fit the channel standards that petn-randall and others keep trying to enforce. |
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| 18:00.52 | jelly | is there a full ten to add? |
| 18:01.00 | greycat | no, not yet |
| 18:01.09 | greycat | highest one seems to be 304 |
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| 18:01.21 | jelly | nothing to do then |
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| 18:01.52 | jelly | !qotd301 |
| 18:01.52 | dpkg | <ikarosuusi> you autistic shithead motherfuckers in the literal sense [...] <ikarosuusi> i have to say you debian people are the best people in the world |
| 18:01.55 | greycat | clearly we need to add 5 more (or 6 more if we overwrite 301) |
| 18:01.57 | jelly | oh THAT guy |
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| 18:02.27 | jelly | he still got helped, mind you |
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| 18:05.11 | cooler | hello |
| 18:05.29 | cooler | do you know what to do to set up a dual boot with grub 2 ? |
| 18:06.23 | humbot | who me? |
| 18:06.28 | greycat | Usually you don't have to do anything, except possibly install the os-prober package if it's not already. |
| 18:06.51 | greycat | update-grub runs os-prober which finds the other bootable systems and puts them all in the grub menu for you |
| 18:07.22 | jelly | who you? |
| 18:07.41 | humbot | , |
| 18:08.48 | annadane | http://bash.org/?8102 |
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| 18:09.33 | annadane | bash.org would be funnier if 50% of it wasn't forced purely to appear on bash.org |
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| 18:10.46 | pgtclicp | hello |
| 18:11.09 | pgtclicp | noob question - how do i find the name of my wireless nic? |
| 18:11.29 | greycat | "ip link" is a good start |
| 18:12.01 | jelly | ip l # saves three keystrokes! |
| 18:12.06 | pgtclicp | ip link only shows me lo and my ethernet port |
| 18:12.10 | greycat | if it doesn't appear there, then you may need to go to a lower level (lsusb or lspci -nn) and install some firmware and/or driver |
| 18:12.57 | pgtclicp | greycat: *should* it appear there if the right firmware is installed? |
| 18:13.10 | greycat | if the firmware and driver are installed, I think so |
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| 18:15.29 | pgtclicp | greycat: i installed the non-free firmware and that normally works on other distros |
| 18:15.53 | jelly | we might help you figure out which driver/firmware is needed of you show the USB ID or PCI ID of the device |
| 18:16.12 | pgtclicp | jelly: how can i do that? |
| 18:16.31 | jelly | show the whole line of "lsusb" or "lspci -nn" output for that device |
| 18:16.41 | jelly | or just the XXXX:YYYY part |
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| 18:17.16 | jelly | pgtclicp: which debian release do you have installed? |
| 18:17.47 | pgtclicp | jelly: 10.1 |
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| 18:18.06 | pgtclicp | jelly: the first thing i did was a dist-upgrade |
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| 18:19.32 | pgtclicp | root@debian:~# lspci -nn |
| 18:19.32 | pgtclicp | 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 15h (Models 60h-6fh) Processor Root Complex [1022:1576] |
| 18:19.35 | pgtclicp | 00:00.2 IOMMU [0806]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 15h (Models 60h-6fh) I/O Memory Management Unit [1022:1577] |
| 18:19.38 | pgtclicp | 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Stoney [Radeon R2/R3/R4/R5 Graphics] [1002:98e4] (rev ea) |
| 18:19.41 | pgtclicp | 00:01.1 Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Device [1002:15b3] |
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| 18:20.03 | pgtclicp | hey i was kicked |
| 18:20.03 | jelly | pgrptm: not all the lines |
| 18:20.17 | jelly | just the one line that seems to show the wifi thing |
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| 18:20.50 | wasamasa | pgtclicp: don't copy-paste more than a line or two on IRC |
| 18:20.55 | pgtclicp | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168NGW [Stone Peak] [8086:24fb] (rev 10) |
| 18:20.56 | wasamasa | pgtclicp: use a pastebin |
| 18:21.00 | wasamasa | pgtclicp: stop |
| 18:21.02 | Ede|Popede | !paste |
| 18:21.02 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 18:21.06 | jelly | that's the one. |
| 18:21.11 | greycat | wasamasa: they stopped already. |
| 18:21.12 | jelly | wasamasa: they stopped already. |
| 18:21.15 | jelly | hah |
| 18:21.16 | annadane | lol |
| 18:21.24 | pgtclicp | understood, my apologies |
| 18:21.36 | cooler | greycat, os prober doesnt find win10 partition :-( |
| 18:21.37 | annadane | greycat, jelly, stop. :P |
| 18:21.40 | jelly | ,pciid 8086:24fb |
| 18:21.41 | judd | [8086:24fb] is 'Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168NGW [Stone Peak]' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:24fb http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 18:21.47 | jelly | good |
| 18:21.50 | cooler | jelly, all of you :) |
| 18:22.07 | jelly | pgtclicp: install firmware-iwlwifi, reboot, try again |
| 18:22.26 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 18:22.26 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 18:22.31 | pgtclicp | jelly: i installed firmware-linux-nonfree though? |
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| 18:23.01 | jelly | pgtclicp: that's not for intel wifi, but some other things. |
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| 18:23.25 | jelly | there are many firmware packages. |
| 18:23.39 | pgtclicp | jelly: brb, rebooting |
| 18:23.45 | pgtclicp | jelly: thanks btw |
| 18:24.12 | Anonim-kun | is there have any debian distro with i3 or bspwm? |
| 18:24.24 | jelly | Anonim-kun: yes, it's called debian |
| 18:24.37 | greycat | ,v i3 |
| 18:24.39 | judd | Package: i3 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.8-2; stretch: 4.13-1+deb9u1; buster: 4.16.1-1; bullseye: 4.17.1-1; sid: 4.17.1-1 |
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| 18:24.54 | greycat | ,v bspwm |
| 18:24.55 | judd | Package: bspwm on amd64 -- stretch: 0.9.2-1; buster: 0.9.5-1; bullseye: 0.9.9-1+b1; sid: 0.9.9-1+b1 |
| 18:25.10 | jelly | you can install xorg and i3 and a login manager (display manager, DM) and use it |
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| 18:25.34 | jelly | (a DM does not, in fact, manage displays a whole lot) |
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| 18:25.42 | greycat | you can skip the display manager and use startx if you prefer |
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| 18:53.33 | cooler | hey os-prober detect windows and debian and ubuntu but it doesnt show the link in the grub menu |
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| 18:54.07 | cooler | how do i put windows in grub menu ? |
| 18:55.09 | greycat | Mine puts two entries there, one for each of the Windows partitions that it finds. |
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| 18:55.16 | greycat | menuentry 'Windows 7 (on /dev/sda1)' --class windows --class os ... |
| 18:55.47 | cooler | /dev/sdb3:Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS (18.04):Ubuntu:linux |
| 18:55.47 | cooler | /dev/sdc1@/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi:Windows Boot Manager:Windows:efi |
| 18:55.47 | cooler | /dev/sdc2:Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster):Debian:linux |
| 18:56.03 | greycat | I'm looking in /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 18:56.33 | greycat | You're showing entries from at least two different disks. I'm not sure a grub menu would contain entries from other disks than the one you're booting. |
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| 18:58.14 | cooler | oohh |
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| 19:00.21 | cooler | i m in trouble then ? :) |
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| 19:00.33 | La_Pizza_and_Tac | install the windows first, then linux. |
| 19:00.45 | cooler | ok |
| 19:00.56 | cooler | ty |
| 19:01.24 | La_Pizza_and_Tac | me too, right now trying to install windows 10 feat fedora astronomy |
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| 19:31.37 | cryptopsy | why is lftp rewriting my files constantly? lftp -e "mirror -R -c --verbose=3 --scan-all-first --skip-noaccess --delete-first --parallel=1 --no-perms --no-umask --depth-first --ignore-time "$1" "$2" ;exit" ftp://192.168.0.18:2221 |
| 19:31.49 | cryptopsy | i am syncing some mp3s to my phone, it keeps rewriting them |
| 19:32.08 | cryptopsy | $1 is source, $2 is dest |
| 19:33.02 | greycat | you're ending the quotes right before $1 and then resuming them |
| 19:33.40 | cryptopsy | good catch |
| 19:34.10 | greycat | I don't know what lftp's "mirror" command expects to see, but if you want literal quote characters to be passed, \"$1\" |
| 19:34.13 | cryptopsy | how the fuck did it work in the first place :D |
| 19:34.38 | jelly | accidentally |
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| 19:35.42 | cryptopsy | i am trying to pass $1 and $2 to that -e, not literal $1 and $2 |
| 19:35.44 | jelly | phones: now with an ftp server |
| 19:36.24 | cryptopsy | i have a 128gb card in this phone i might as well have it back my shit up while i sleep |
| 19:36.31 | jelly | kdeconnect implements an sftp server on my phone, but it's a bit unreliable |
| 19:36.45 | cryptopsy | the sftp clients on android really suck most dont support rsync |
| 19:36.50 | cryptopsy | well, none do |
| 19:36.59 | cryptopsy | and barely some support writing to microSD |
| 19:37.03 | cryptopsy | only one does |
| 19:37.12 | jelly | wait, are you running lftp and debian _on_ the phone |
| 19:37.18 | cryptopsy | there's a techincal reason for this, albeit a dumb one |
| 19:37.37 | cryptopsy | debian not on the phone |
| 19:37.46 | cryptopsy | i wasnt able to root it |
| 19:37.51 | cryptopsy | would have been cool |
| 19:37.56 | cryptopsy | then i could use rsync |
| 19:38.32 | cryptopsy | i will go to #bash now to ask about $1 and $2 |
| 19:38.36 | jelly | so that shell and lftp are running on debian? |
| 19:38.41 | cryptopsy | ye |
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| 19:39.01 | jelly | okay. so they really did have an ftp server on the phone. |
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| 19:39.34 | jelly | greycat: apparently, ftp must live |
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| 19:42.20 | GenTooMan | ftp still has it's uses. It's hard to get rid of something useful apparently despite peoples efforts. |
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| 19:47.17 | RoyK | GenTooMan: as with tftp - still in use despite everything else ;) |
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| 19:49.29 | cryptopsy | --ignore-time as i understand it makes it so only file size is compared |
| 19:49.37 | cryptopsy | so files should not be getting rewritten |
| 19:49.58 | cryptopsy | maybe the FS is not sync after copy |
| 19:50.57 | cryptopsy | has RMS many live apperances in 2019 |
| 19:51.01 | cryptopsy | made* |
| 19:51.33 | greycat | presumably not so many since the big scandal a few weeks ago |
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| 19:51.56 | greycat | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=RMS-Steps-Down-From-GNU |
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| 19:52.27 | apple_25 | hello? |
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| 19:53.53 | cryptopsy | hellllllllllo |
| 19:54.09 | cryptopsy | how are you? |
| 19:54.09 | apple_25 | network manager is driving me insane, could someone please give me a hand sorting this out? |
| 19:54.18 | apple_25 | i'm good, how are you crypto? |
| 19:54.37 | cryptopsy | not good |
| 19:54.48 | apple_25 | what's wrong? |
| 19:54.57 | cryptopsy | lftp is rewriting files and i dont know why |
| 19:55.48 | greycat | The backstory appears to be "I have an android device and I am connecting it to my Debian machine. I would like to synchronize some files from one to the other. My research so far indicates I must use ftp to do this. I am attempting to mimic rsync using lftp." |
| 19:55.48 | apple_25 | sounds annoying, don't have any ftp experience i'm afraid |
| 19:56.41 | jelly | cryptopsy: if it's android, you could try kdeconnect (which is not just for kde despite the name) |
| 19:56.43 | cryptopsy | that's like saying i am attempting to mimic walmart cuz there was a costco closer that could sell me some beer |
| 19:57.10 | cryptopsy | jelly: there needs to be some file server running on android to accept the files |
| 19:57.16 | jelly | yes. |
| 19:57.23 | cryptopsy | is kdeconnect that client? |
| 19:57.48 | apple_25 | anyone know why network manager keeps connecting to 2 networks simultaneously? |
| 19:57.55 | cryptopsy | copying files through ssh is much slower than ftp you know |
| 19:58.03 | jelly | cryptopsy: one of its features is providing a sftp server. |
| 19:58.03 | cryptopsy | the difference is like 5x |
| 19:58.11 | apple_25 | i've set the priority for network A over that of network B, but NM doesn't care |
| 19:58.17 | cryptopsy | jelly: the sftp server needs to be able to write to microSD |
| 19:58.23 | cryptopsy | only1 out of 50 was able to |
| 19:58.29 | cryptopsy | i have tried them all (probably kdeconnect too?) |
| 19:58.44 | jelly | shrugs |
| 19:58.47 | cryptopsy | the lftp command would remain the same regardless what ftp server is running |
| 19:58.56 | cryptopsy | shrugs |
| 19:59.21 | cryptopsy | is my lftp command wrong? |
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| 20:05.08 | revolutionary | hi guyz. i am trying to make manual partitioning on Debian Buster. My setup is: created volume group called debian-vg and inside root,boot and swap. i marked those for boot, / and swap area. also i marked this volume group as encrypted. when installation is done i am seeing grub-rescue screen. where am i doing wrong? |
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| 20:05.22 | revolutionary | also i marked bootable flag for debian-vg |
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| 20:13.30 | bouba | i return to ask about a virtualistion programme? |
| 20:13.53 | bouba | virtualbox not work in buster. |
| 20:14.13 | bouba | virt-qemu late in buster. |
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| 20:14.28 | bouba | an other suggestion? |
| 20:16.43 | bouba | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.12 | cryptopsy | mother FUCK lftp and their stupid command line injection problem |
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| 20:17.33 | greycat | so it turns out your pathnames *do* have punctuation or spaces in them? |
| 20:17.49 | cryptopsy | yea probably |
| 20:17.53 | greycat | you don't know? |
| 20:17.54 | wasamasa | stupid security people |
| 20:18.04 | wasamasa | why do they keep putting funny characters in pathnames |
| 20:18.12 | cryptopsy | there are a lot of files |
| 20:18.22 | greycat | the pathnames that you ACTUALLY GIVE to lftp |
| 20:18.28 | greycat | not the files underneath them |
| 20:18.43 | cryptopsy | the paths don't contain funny chars |
| 20:18.45 | cryptopsy | but the filenames can |
| 20:18.59 | greycat | unless you've been lying to me this whole time, and that lftp command is inside a LOOP and you are reading filenames from somewhere and passing them inside this loop |
| 20:18.59 | cryptopsy | neither do the folders |
| 20:19.23 | cryptopsy | that command is inside a script called lfput which only contains that command |
| 20:19.25 | jelly | lftp can't be that dumb to have problems with weird filenames |
| 20:19.43 | cryptopsy | well i renamed the file that was giving rewritng with detox |
| 20:19.46 | jelly | someone would have noticed in the what, 20 years it existed |
| 20:19.49 | cryptopsy | and it doesnt hang ont hat file anymore |
| 20:19.58 | cryptopsy | Slomatics - Future Echo Returns (Full Album 2016).opus |
| 20:20.00 | cryptopsy | this was the file name |
| 20:20.05 | cryptopsy | lfput is called like : |
| 20:20.09 | cryptopsy | /b/music music |
| 20:20.37 | cryptopsy | all the folders in /b/music dont contain funny names |
| 20:21.12 | cryptopsy | lets inspect again what kidn of output this command generates: |
| 20:21.13 | cryptopsy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.37 | jelly | but who knows, maybe the ftp server software is completely broken. Maybe there's ascii/binary mode shenanigans. I don't want to know. |
| 20:22.08 | jelly | good luck! |
| 20:22.13 | revolutionary | anyone? |
| 20:22.15 | revolutionary | help? |
| 20:22.17 | revolutionary | SOS? |
| 20:22.28 | greycat | Well, that answers all of my questions. Everything you told us was a lie. You *are* doing idiotic things in a loop. |
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| 20:22.50 | greycat | How your computer is still running is a mystery to me. |
| 20:22.59 | cryptopsy | what are you talking about man, i inspected that output before piping it to lfput |
| 20:23.10 | wasamasa | greycat: simple, the file names don't originate from an evil person |
| 20:23.19 | greycat | 15:19 cryptopsy> Slomatics - Future Echo Returns (Full Album 2016).opus |
| 20:23.23 | jelly | revolutionary: I don't think debian-installer supports having /boot as a LV inside the VG inside the encrypted luks PV |
| 20:23.32 | cryptopsy | this is not a dir |
| 20:23.55 | cryptopsy | did you think a dir would have such a name? |
| 20:24.03 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 20:24.09 | revolutionary | jelly i don't want to make from guided partitioning. i want to make manual because i want to change encryption type. |
| 20:24.10 | jelly | revolutionary: the conservative approach is having a separate, unencrypted partition for /boot, and a second huge one for luks for encryption for every thing else |
| 20:24.12 | cryptopsy | rofl |
| 20:24.14 | revolutionary | but i stuck |
| 20:24.20 | cryptopsy | he thought that was a dir |
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| 20:24.33 | revolutionary | jelly is there any way to encrypt /boot partition? |
| 20:24.39 | wasamasa | cryptopsy: no more bash help for you I guess |
| 20:24.56 | cryptopsy | this is literally the output to lfput: /b/music/alive/666mrdoom music/alive/666mrdoom |
| 20:24.58 | jelly | revolutionary: grub2 supports that. It's just I don't know if debian-installer does. |
| 20:25.06 | cryptopsy | does that look like a funny name to you? |
| 20:25.24 | majuscul2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.31 | majuscul2 | excuse me :-) |
| 20:25.47 | revolutionary | cryptopsy: don't flood the channel. this is debian channel not for kids play room! |
| 20:25.48 | jelly | revolutionary: so you might have to set up partitions manually and use debootstrap to install the base system |
| 20:26.09 | jelly | revolutionary: and then set up all the boot things manually |
| 20:26.10 | revolutionary | thank you jelly i will try now |
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| 20:48.27 | Habbie | ,v libgnutls |
| 20:48.29 | judd | No package named 'libgnutls' was found in amd64. |
| 20:48.33 | Habbie | ,v libgnutls30 |
| 20:48.34 | judd | Package: libgnutls30 on amd64 -- stretch-security: 3.5.8-5+deb9u1; stretch: 3.5.8-5+deb9u4; buster: 3.6.7-4; bullseye: 3.6.10-4; sid: 3.6.10-4 |
| 20:49.34 | somiaj | Habbie: you can /msg judd v foo |
| 20:49.42 | Habbie | somiaj, ok! |
| 20:50.32 | revolutionary | my sda2 is 1K how can i extend this to my main partition to sda5? |
| 20:50.41 | revolutionary | but my sda5 is encrypted |
| 20:50.49 | revolutionary | i don't want to see sda2 1K |
| 20:51.48 | revolutionary | anyone? |
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| 20:53.18 | somiaj | so sda2 has 1k of space? Why not just delete the partition from the partition table? |
| 20:53.39 | greycat | I don't think you can *make* a one kilobyte partition on any kind of modern disk |
| 20:53.40 | revolutionary | how can i delete? |
| 20:53.56 | somiaj | Anyways, depending on other partitions and how you setup your partition table, it isn't easy to just move that space around your harddrive. If it is really that small, I would jsut ignore it. |
| 20:54.20 | revolutionary | how can i delete that? |
| 20:54.28 | revolutionary | is it possible? |
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| 20:54.51 | somiaj | any partition editor should be able to delete the partition and make it unallocated space. |
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| 20:55.19 | revolutionary | somiaj possible from terminal? |
| 20:55.26 | somiaj | but I would double check why that partition even exists, something seems strange to us. |
| 20:55.31 | somiaj | there are terminal partition editors. |
| 20:55.50 | Habbie | i agree with somiaj, this story does not make sense, which means you are likely about to do something terrible |
| 20:55.57 | revolutionary | somiaj let me explain. i created manual partitioning and i guess i calculated wrong :) |
| 20:56.13 | revolutionary | there is 1K left :p |
| 20:56.23 | greycat | ignore it |
| 20:56.48 | somiaj | there is often uallocated space at the begining/end of drives, ignore it (I'm unsure why it is even a partition though) |
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| 20:57.34 | revolutionary | i want to ask something about lsblk. when i wrote lsblk i am seeing sda5 => part but after sda5 i am seeing sda5_crypt |
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| 20:57.47 | revolutionary | as i know part means unencrypted |
| 20:57.50 | revolutionary | isn't it?> |
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| 20:58.13 | revolutionary | which one is true? |
| 20:58.15 | Habbie | 'part' just means 'partition' |
| 20:58.20 | Habbie | which is a part of your full disk |
| 20:58.32 | revolutionary | ahh sorry okay got it |
| 20:58.38 | Habbie | in that part, you have an encrypted image |
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| 21:02.09 | jhutchins_wk | revolutionary: Did you use LVM? |
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| 21:48.55 | raidghost | Running Debian 10 Buster and some ethernetcard errors shows up in tty1 https://imgur.com/a/2KvIsYD |
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| 21:49.22 | raidghost | Is it too old kernel that gives that kind of error? |
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| 21:59.39 | whislock | raidghost: Is it causing any kind of functional issue, or is it just a message? |
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| 22:01.59 | raidghost | whislock: Its a message that shows up in tty1 where its suppose to sign in with username and password. The Network is unreachable |
| 22:02.20 | whislock | raidghost: And you've confirmed that your network configuration is correct? |
| 22:02.54 | raidghost | ill guess. i have not changed anything. But it seems like to be a E1000 controller bug |
| 22:03.17 | whislock | E1000 has been stable for ages. I would find that surprising. |
| 22:03.25 | whislock | Is this physical or virtual? |
| 22:03.26 | raidghost | ive checked the network configuration. It is like its suppose to be . |
| 22:03.39 | raidghost | its a physical (onboard ethernet card) |
| 22:03.39 | whislock | Wait, you showed me a picture. |
| 22:03.43 | whislock | That was a dumb question. |
| 22:03.51 | whislock | I'd doublecheck your configuration. |
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| 22:05.31 | raidghost | it flood my tty1 to 10 |
| 22:05.49 | raidghost | I cant type anything without the message i did sent on picture ontop of iot |
| 22:05.50 | raidghost | it |
| 22:06.06 | raidghost | It floods my terminal window. |
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| 22:12.52 | raidghost | So. How can i stop it flooding my tty screens ? |
| 22:16.38 | raidghost | whislock: could this be the same issue? https://superuser.com/questions/1270723/how-to-fix-eth0-detected-hardware-unit-hang-in-debian-9 |
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| 22:40.55 | revolutionary | i am trying to convert LUKS2 to LUKS1 but i am getting "cannot convert device /dev/sda5 which still in use". how can i do this? thanks |
| 22:41.01 | revolutionary | i stuck |
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| 22:45.16 | revolutionary | when i tried to umount i got this umount: /dev/sda5: not mounted |
| 22:45.35 | wskyx | revolutionary: if it's a system drive boot another system in order to do this |
| 22:45.45 | wskyx | if it's in use it wont work |
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| 22:46.00 | wskyx | you might want to boot a live usb key systewm |
| 22:46.05 | wskyx | sysstem* |
| 22:46.30 | revolutionary | wskyx yes it is system |
| 22:46.58 | wskyx | then boot a live debian image and do it from there |
| 22:47.01 | revolutionary | if i boot /live system how can i make change |
| 22:47.05 | revolutionary | it is encrypted |
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| 22:47.24 | wskyx | you'llhave to enter the passphrase |
| 22:47.36 | revolutionary | ok let me try |
| 22:47.40 | wskyx | seee cryptsetup |
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| 22:55.45 | future28 | Hi, I am investigating a persistant and random freeze issue which has been occuring for about 6-8 months now on testing. I believe it may be due to this one: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193011 |
| 22:56.13 | future28 | The main issue is that I have no logs at all showing any sign of failure. I think it is this problem since it only happens on battery |
| 22:56.32 | future28 | Does anyone have some suggestion as to how I could get more granular logs which might help diagnose? |
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| 23:30.06 | sbingner | I have a package that needs to use dpkg-divert and I tried to make a rule that would correctly remove it in postrm when the package was downgraded "aka upgraded" to a lower version... but it seems that the file it installs in place of the diversion has not been removed yet on postrm, does anybody have any ideas? https://paste.bingner.com/paste/bqr9y is the code I had to use to make it work |
| 23:33.37 | sbingner | ok yeah that code didn't work, dpkg just deleted the file after running postrm lmao |
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| 23:36.44 | sbingner | yeah ok followed the flow chart, can confirm this is not possible and I don't understand the logic |
| 23:37.06 | sbingner | why would postrm need to be run before old files are removed OR renamed :( |
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| 23:47.43 | f0r3ns1cs | guys, whats the difference between DVD offline installations?? |
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| 23:52.01 | somiaj | f0r3ns1cs: very little. Installing from DVD means you most likely don't have the newest security fixes |
| 23:53.53 | f0r3ns1cs | somiaj, so installing the 3.6gb or 4.4gb have no difference, except for the security fixes? |
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| 23:54.55 | somiaj | f0r3ns1cs: what do you mean by that? I don't know what the 3.6gb or 4.4gb means. What matters is the collection of packages you want to install. DVD imaages only have a limited number of packages (though often what most people actually use) |
| 23:55.36 | somiaj | provided you install the same packages it makes no difference what dvd image or if you install them from online. Here I am assuming you are using dvd images for stable 10.1, and the only difference between the images and using netinstall, is access to the security fixes since the 10.1 release |
| 23:56.37 | f0r3ns1cs | somiaj they are sizes of the installations dvds, but you answer was useful |
| 23:56.47 | f0r3ns1cs | somiaj ty mate |
| 23:57.01 | somiaj | the only thing that would matter is if you wanted to install a package that was on the bigger image but not on the smaller one |
| 23:57.30 | somiaj | but the dvd images contain more packages than you will probably install, depending on which DE and other software you choose |
| 23:58.07 | f0r3ns1cs | somiaj, excellent explanation! |