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| 07:07.13 | pragomer | hi. I am trying out a so called "vserver" of my isp. debian stable is installed. I also installed the xfce desktop, because I want to get access to that vm (its not supposed to be a "real server", just for playing arround) via teamviewer. how can I check if the xfce desktop is really started? because connecting via teamviewer doesnt work, although the teamviewer daemon runs |
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| 07:10.31 | grisher | pragomer: how did you install xfce? |
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| 07:16.36 | pragomer | via apt |
| 07:19.11 | jelly | pragomer: a desktop environment is only "started" after a user is logged in, manually or automatically, using startxfce on the console or logged in via a *dm |
| 07:20.21 | jelly | pragomer: if you have a headless container without real graphical hardware I suppose you'll have to do extra work to set up a virtual X server to be able to run xfce at all |
| 07:20.24 | pragomer | I only know desktop linux systems :-( how could I "check" if there is an autologin to xfce, like on debian desktop with lightdm or so? |
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| 07:21.02 | Unit193 | You could check if lightdm, xfwm, or xfdesktop are running. |
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| 07:21.09 | pragomer | I CAN start for example thunar (when using the ssh -X option) |
| 07:21.26 | pragomer | lightdm is installed. |
| 07:21.44 | grisher | you'd be better of using vnc |
| 07:21.51 | grisher | rather than teamviewer |
| 07:21.53 | jelly | pragomer: ssh -X works because you have an X server running already at your end. |
| 07:22.03 | grisher | off* |
| 07:22.16 | pragomer | jelly: ah ok.. so ssh -X does not mean that the desktop is ready, right? |
| 07:22.40 | jelly | apps running that way connect to the existing session on your local system |
| 07:22.52 | pragomer | I will try to setup my lightdm.conf... see if this helps |
| 07:23.13 | jelly | that won't work until you have an actual X server running |
| 07:24.06 | jelly | and I'm not sure if running a virtual X server is the best way to keep a fully remote session |
| 07:24.12 | pragomer | how could I check if an xserver is running? |
| 07:24.34 | jelly | ps -fe |grep X |
| 07:25.15 | jelly | fuser fuser /tmp/.X11-unix/X*, as root |
| 07:25.16 | pragomer | ok, according to the ps output, it isnt running. |
| 07:25.22 | jelly | just one fuser. |
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| 07:25.41 | jelly | pragomer: it won't be running automatically without a GPU present, no |
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| 07:26.48 | grisher | pragomer: can you not view the console of the server? |
| 07:27.04 | pragomer | this is what shows me lshw: http://i.imgur.com/jFxqgEv.png |
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| 07:27.43 | jelly | grisher: "vserver", if it's really that, is a container-based solution. No hardware access, no hardware emulated |
| 07:27.59 | jelly | pragomer: what does lspci say? |
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| 07:28.35 | grisher | oh, it's vserver |
| 07:28.35 | pragomer | the server is one of those: |
| 07:28.37 | grisher | missed that part |
| 07:28.37 | pragomer | https://www.strato.de/server/linux-vserver/ |
| 07:28.58 | pragomer | lspci says: http://i.imgur.com/tbLWWUV.png |
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| 07:29.16 | jelly | and could you maybe use a text pastebin for text |
| 07:29.28 | pragomer | I get the idea that a "real desktop" is not doable with this product, right? |
| 07:29.29 | jelly | right, no hardware |
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| 07:30.03 | jelly | pragomer: Xvfb might have some use. VNC servers also have their own X servers. |
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| 07:30.25 | pragomer | jelly: ok.. my 2nd choic was to to with a raspberry pi *LOL*... then I think I will go with that |
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| 07:30.57 | jelly | pragomer: keeping a remote X session is not really a common workflow on Linux |
| 07:31.01 | pragomer | yes.. the thing with vnc is: I want to set up this for an absolute newbie.. who knows teamviewer but cannot deal with vnc clients.. |
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| 07:31.49 | pragomer | I think you are right.. think I will go with raspbian |
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| 07:32.14 | jelly | that will still be a remote X session, just on a hw platform |
| 07:32.59 | grisher | pragomer: might just be better off learing command line |
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| 07:35.16 | grabbler2 | hey, for some reason for the past couple of days acpi doesn't work reliably at all on my laptop. charging from 0% shows 99% charged with 00:00 remaining even though i know the battery is empty. is there a way to recalibrate acpi? |
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| 07:36.25 | pragomer | thank you in any way. very kind! thank you |
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| 08:14.12 | forester | Hullo. Is it possible to install a package (latest brisk-menu from sid), that depends on latest mate-desktop (in sid), but on current stable mate-desktop in stretch? |
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| 08:14.52 | forester | it needs mate 1.22, but system has mate 1.20 |
| 08:15.10 | forester | I use sudo dpkg -i *.deb |
| 08:15.48 | forester | Is there any special flag to install it? |
| 08:16.12 | Habbie | !frankendebian |
| 08:16.12 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 08:16.14 | Habbie | forester, ^ |
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| 08:18.13 | forester | I sure suppose that there should be a special flag. Maybe aptitude could solve that? What could you say? |
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| 08:18.37 | Habbie | forester, i say that this channel cannot support mixing packages like that - it is likely to end in tears |
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| 08:22.58 | forester | Habbie: I do not ask this channel to support mixing packages, but about ability (opportunity) to make this technically. Do feel difference? |
| 08:23.30 | forester | Is it possible or not? |
| 08:23.38 | forester | For testing reason. |
| 08:23.43 | Habbie | many things are possible; but we would not help with it, sorry |
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| 08:25.03 | forester | Then you just don't know how to do that. Thank you. I thought that debian community members more trained that in others. Excuse me sir. |
| 08:27.14 | Habbie | forester, please don't assume what i do or do not know |
| 08:27.19 | forester | Pardon me and my English |
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| 08:33.51 | boktan | hi i did installed my wifi adaptor but it is not working :/ not light blinking not wifi interface on settings nothing :/ what to do? usi |
| 08:33.53 | boktan | using AUS036ACH |
| 08:34.35 | boktan | https://pastebin.com/MP5anrQz |
| 08:35.16 | jvava | I can't install cafeine extension in this buster system, (it works well in my notebook), so, how can I disable the boring suspend, please |
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| 08:37.00 | boktan | and i have this on dmesg [ 252.243646] WARNING: CPU: 10 PID: 719 at /var/lib/dkms/realtek-rtl88xxau/5.2.20.2~20190617/build/os_dep/linux/os_intfs.c:1573 rtw_os_ndev_register+0xc6/0x181 [88XXau] |
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| 08:42.21 | jvava | please help me disable suspend of bustard debian, |
| 08:44.22 | jvava | which tortured me for weeks |
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| 08:54.30 | jvava | hi, I got answer. in settings, set power to never. done |
| 08:54.33 | jvava | thank you |
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| 08:56.24 | blackmajic | If i do ncdu -x /, it only adds up to 15GB collective. But if i do df -h, it shows 23GB used.. how do i find an absolute usage? |
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| 09:07.33 | jelly | blackmajic: make sure to run "du -x /" or equivalent as root; if there's still a large difference, perhaps some data is hidden below another existing mountpoint under / |
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| 09:07.55 | __that__ | Hi all |
| 09:08.31 | __that__ | what is the default directory you would install a library manually - not shipped as .deb - that will be used by all users of the system please? |
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| 09:10.46 | towo^work | __that__, /usr/local/lib/ |
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| 09:15.14 | __that__ | towo^work, thanks |
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| 09:33.42 | qam4r | Hey channel, is it possible that Match Address in /etc/ssh/sshd_config is not working? When i try to whitelist a ip for root login, the sshd service won't start. I' running an up2date Debian Buster. Fresh install with only that config change in sshd_config. |
| 09:35.17 | qam4r | Match Address 192.168.178.54 \n\t PermitRootLogin Yes |
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| 10:21.25 | annadane | is there a way to un-qtify my debian? i installed kde after having mate installed and now applications take on the qt look and i'd like mate to use gtk |
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| 10:40.46 | Kyros | its probably just the theme |
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| 10:44.08 | annadane | Kyros, it's not. it says "blue submarine", which is mate specific |
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| 10:44.49 | annadane | also please highlight me if you're going to respond 19 minutes later |
| 10:44.56 | annadane | i only happened to see it |
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| 10:48.41 | Kyros | annadane: I'd make a new user and login to mate and see 1. if everything is qtified 2. look for difference in .config files etc |
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| 10:54.49 | jelly | annadane: did you try chaging to a different theme and changing it back? |
| 10:55.22 | annadane | i didn't, i'll do that now |
| 10:55.24 | jelly | a DE might not be aware something changed gtk settings behing its back |
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| 10:58.40 | annadane | okay, that was weird, changing the theme away and back again (to "custom") freezes hexchat, but anyway... near as i can tell hexchat itself still has the qt'd look |
| 10:58.56 | annadane | other applications... don't? |
| 10:58.56 | jelly | hexchat is a bit special |
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| 10:59.12 | jelly | you can quit and start it again |
| 10:59.22 | annadane | i mean in the end it really doesn't matter, it's not like it affects my workflow |
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| 11:00.15 | annadane | brb then, restarting hexchat |
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| 11:02.35 | ws2k3 | got a debian 9 install in virtualbox. but after grub it just shows a blinking indicator and it does not continue boot |
| 11:02.56 | ws2k3 | i already tryed to boot to single user mode by adding init=/bin/bash but then it still hangs. how should i continue |
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| 11:03.17 | annadane | okay, i don't know, then. now hexchat just freezes on startup |
| 11:03.24 | annadane | i'm on irssi now |
| 11:03.37 | wsky | way to go, irssi++ |
| 11:04.03 | annadane | clearly a sign from god |
| 11:04.10 | wsky | might be |
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| 11:05.40 | annadane | i'm sure i can always just rm -r .config/hexchat |
| 11:06.30 | annadane | (KDE is still a buggy piece of crap, i'd like to report) |
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| 11:09.54 | wsky | annadane: no need, everyone knows that |
| 11:10.15 | annadane | "everyone" |
| 11:10.23 | wsky | yeah, ask my mom |
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| 11:10.45 | Kats99 | hmm |
| 11:10.46 | annadane | forget it, i'm going back to xfce |
| 11:10.56 | annadane | mate is nice, but no middle click = close on mate terminal is icky |
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| 11:11.04 | annadane | (yes i know you can mix and match) |
| 11:11.06 | wsky | that's a sololid de, i'm on gnome 3 now |
| 11:11.35 | wsky | both xfce and mate are worth installing |
| 11:12.16 | annadane | i just generally prefer xfce's default applications |
| 11:12.20 | annadane | to mate's |
| 11:12.26 | annadane | but i've grown to appreciate mate more |
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| 11:13.47 | annadane | is KDE seriously known as generally really buggy? even as of 5.14? |
| 11:13.54 | annadane | i think 5.8 in stretch had some growing pains, but... |
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| 11:16.20 | annadane | time for a fresh install though i think, this machine now has too many packages |
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| 11:23.41 | jim | annadane, why not just uninstall them? |
| 11:24.10 | annadane | jim: because i'm dissatisfied now. :P it doesn't take much work to get a new system up to scratch |
| 11:24.21 | annadane | i like things to be cleaner |
| 11:25.52 | jim | ok, that's fair |
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| 11:26.32 | annadane | believe me, i know i *can*. anyway, ciao, see you on my xfce thingy |
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| 11:38.42 | ws2k3 | got a debian 9 install in virtualbox. but after grub it just shows a blinking indicator and it does not continue boot |
| 11:38.45 | ws2k3 | i already tryed to boot to single user mode by adding init=/bin/bash but then it still hangs. how should i continue |
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| 11:40.47 | wsky | seems like it's an "install" |
| 11:40.55 | wsky | what's the virtual machine software you use? |
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| 11:44.06 | ws2k3 | virtual bnoc |
| 11:44.14 | ws2k3 | virtual box* |
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| 11:44.34 | wsky | was that first time you installed debian? |
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| 11:45.24 | ws2k3 | wsky no |
| 11:45.39 | wsky | either you installed it wrong or your vbox is missconfigured |
| 11:45.44 | ws2k3 | but the vm was created on ubuntu and now is booting on macosx but i think that shoudnt matter |
| 11:46.00 | wsky | no it should not |
| 11:46.10 | wsky | i'd recommend #vbox for this issue |
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| 12:04.28 | zzarr | hello! |
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| 12:04.54 | zzarr | if I have a source package (.deb) how do I build/install it? |
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| 12:06.38 | Wulf | zzarr: source packages are not .deb |
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| 12:07.14 | wsky | zzarr: dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 12:07.36 | zzarr | Wulf: the package is called glibc-source_2.29-3_all.deb |
| 12:07.41 | wsky | after running apt-get build-dep package |
| 12:07.44 | zzarr | thanks wsky |
| 12:08.12 | zzarr | wsky: I'll do that :) |
| 12:08.28 | wsky | that will work only if the source commes from debian repository |
| 12:08.34 | wsky | (by using apt-get source package) |
| 12:08.53 | wsky | if the source comes from upstream you want checkinstall |
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| 12:09.46 | Wulf | zzarr: that's not a source package, even though it contains sources. Install it like any other package (dpkg -i), then go into /usr/src/glibc/ and type dpkg-buildpackage |
| 12:10.45 | zzarr | thanks both wsky and Wulf |
| 12:11.14 | zzarr | Wulf: that explains it, thanks |
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| 12:14.42 | zzarr | I just realized that I may have began this from the wrong end, I have a server that runs buster, but I need glibc 2.29 for a project, should I upgrade to bullseye? |
| 12:16.13 | zzarr | (buster uses glibc 2.28) |
| 12:16.48 | wsky | i'd rather not modify the os by myself like that |
| 12:16.56 | wsky | upgrade would be more tempting to me |
| 12:17.12 | zzarr | then.. I'll do that |
| 12:17.21 | Kats99 | irrelevant question: can somebody help me in configuring my tinyfugue client? |
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| 12:46.04 | m04ftKK | Join #ruby,#Linux |
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| 12:46.54 | ratrace | No. |
| 12:48.15 | jelly | m04ftKK: you'll have to do it separately for each channel and put a / right before, /join #ruby |
| 12:48.38 | jelly | m04ftKK: also #Linux is really ##Linux |
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| 12:49.18 | m04ftKK | @Jenny thanks |
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| 12:53.52 | abrotman | Jenny eh? |
| 12:53.53 | ratrace | yeah @Jenny, thanks. |
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| 13:19.10 | rocketmagnet | asdf |
| 13:19.15 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone |
| 13:19.20 | new | hi |
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| 13:19.54 | rocketmagnet | i've the follwoing problem, i try to use glfw with opengl and i get the error: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libOpenGL.so.0: undefined symbol: _glapi_tls_Current |
| 13:20.16 | rocketmagnet | it worked in previous debian versions |
| 13:20.44 | rocketmagnet | i'm now on buster+ |
| 13:20.57 | whislock | Define "buster+" |
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| 13:21.22 | wxb | Buster and Beyond (c) |
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| 13:23.17 | whislock | rocketmagnet: ? |
| 13:23.29 | grzesiek11 | buster + backports maybe? |
| 13:23.47 | whislock | Or buster + testing. That's why I'm trying to clarify. |
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| 13:32.33 | whislock | rocketmagnet: Did you want to clarify what "buster+" means? |
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| 13:33.03 | rocketmagnet | i want to know why i get this linking error |
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| 13:33.14 | rocketmagnet | it worked with the last stable version |
| 13:33.21 | whislock | rocketmagnet: I want you to answer my question. Define "buster+" please. |
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| 13:34.01 | rocketmagnet | buster is my distribution |
| 13:34.07 | whislock | Then what is the +? |
| 13:34.14 | rocketmagnet | typo |
| 13:34.18 | wsky | lol |
| 13:34.47 | whislock | I don't buy that, frankly. + is a hard thing to typo when you're not using the shift key in anything you say |
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| 13:35.33 | rocketmagnet | the points is i'm using the buster distro |
| 13:35.50 | whislock | And the fact that you're dodging the question makes this even more suspicious. |
| 13:35.51 | rocketmagnet | and i get this strange linking error on opengl |
| 13:36.01 | whislock | So please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file. |
| 13:36.02 | whislock | !paste |
| 13:36.02 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 13:36.19 | lorban | starting to learn how to use IR |
| 13:36.23 | lorban | IRC |
| 13:36.30 | lorban | is there someone here? |
| 13:36.48 | whislock | lorban: Lots of people, though many are inactive based on time of day. |
| 13:36.54 | rocketmagnet | https://paste.debian.net/1115890/ |
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| 13:37.36 | whislock | rocketmagnet: Line 19 tells me that you modified that before pasting it. |
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| 13:37.45 | whislock | !frankendebian |
| 13:37.45 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
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| 13:39.37 | lorban | I'm trying to learn commands |
| 13:40.07 | rocketmagnet | that's my current source.list file: https://paste.debian.net/1115891/ |
| 13:40.14 | whislock | lorban: IRC commands or Linux commands in general? |
| 13:40.45 | lorban | I want to try to send some pvt message, who is available to get some message? irc messages btw |
| 13:41.04 | lorban | maybe I should go for one other specific channel |
| 13:41.15 | whislock | lorban: Most people do not appreciate unsolicited private messages, to be aware. |
| 13:41.49 | Fox | lorban: /join #test |
| 13:42.32 | lorban | yes that's why I'm asking here |
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| 13:47.21 | lorban | how can I quote sentences? |
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| 13:55.32 | lxsameer | hey folks, I have the right timezone on /etc/timezone and timedatectl reports the correct time zone, but `date` is -05 hourse |
| 13:55.39 | lxsameer | how can i debug this ? |
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| 13:58.23 | dvs | lxsameer, it depends what the command "hwclock" says and what the third line in /etc/adjtime says. |
| 13:58.55 | lxsameer | dvs: hwclock returns the wrong time |
| 13:59.17 | lxsameer | dvs: and i don't have /etc/adjtime |
| 13:59.39 | dvs | lxsameer, is the time 5 hours off? |
| 13:59.58 | lxsameer | dvs: hwclock return -5 hours |
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| 14:00.09 | dvs | well...? |
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| 14:00.29 | dvs | it means your BIOS clock is off. |
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| 14:00.49 | lxsameer | dvs: cool, thanks |
| 14:00.54 | dvs | np |
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| 14:08.15 | Akuw | how can i delete a number of lines from current position to back in vim |
| 14:08.37 | Akuw | i mean, i am on line 40 and want to delete all lines from 39 to 1 |
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| 14:09.21 | dvs | Akuw, go to line 1 and type "40dd" ? |
| 14:09.51 | tangarora_ | Akuw: dd? |
| 14:10.22 | lxsameer | dvs: i setup ntp, and it return the wrong time as well, is that normal ? |
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| 14:10.30 | tangarora_ | dd = delete line... prepend with number of lines... try it |
| 14:10.33 | Akuw | done |
| 14:10.41 | Akuw | now from current line to end |
| 14:10.49 | Akuw | ddG ? |
| 14:11.48 | dvs | lxsameer, ntp should return the right time. I thought the hardware time was stored in the /etc/adjtime file but they may have changed where that file is. |
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| 14:12.50 | lxsameer | dvs: hmmm weird |
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| 14:22.32 | lxsameer | dvs: apparently if the time difference between what ntp returns and hwclock is big ntp does not update the time |
| 14:23.46 | dvs | lxsameer, it should be the difference between ntp and the date command? |
| 14:23.52 | dvs | right? |
| 14:24.01 | karlpinc | Akuw: I don't want to start an editor war here but if you find vi troublesome and want to try emacs then be sure to install the emacs<VERSION>-common-non-dfsg package to get the emacs documentation, including the tutorial. The emacs splash screen says how to run the tutorial (if you read the page). |
| 14:24.18 | dvs | too late! |
| 14:24.23 | dvs | !start an editor war |
| 14:24.23 | dpkg | edlin bites. |
| 14:24.28 | Akuw | hehehehe |
| 14:24.37 | Akuw | vim is nice no problem |
| 14:24.40 | karlpinc | Akuw: I mention this because the docs are in the non-free section of the repos. |
| 14:24.44 | Akuw | but i can try emacs too |
| 14:24.57 | karlpinc | Akuw: Pick one or the other and get good at it. |
| 14:25.21 | Akuw | sure |
| 14:25.23 | RoyK | I beleive https://xkcd.com/378/ says it all about editors |
| 14:25.24 | karlpinc | Akuw: (You should at least get to the point where you can cut and paste using the editor instead of using the mouse.) |
| 14:25.40 | Akuw | yy |
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| 14:48.58 | section1 | lol |
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| 14:50.00 | ratrace | ofsec haxxor wannabe fail |
| 14:50.05 | RoyK | section1: yeah, someone should reset his or her password :) |
| 14:50.15 | section1 | :) |
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| 14:50.30 | ratrace | that was registration confirmation token, not a pass |
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| 14:50.55 | section1 | oh ok |
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| 15:17.05 | wwilliam | hello how do i password protect a directory from being deleted in debian: Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) |
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| 15:17.15 | befree22 | how do i create a boot partition on a usb stick that can mount my nvme root partition drive? |
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| 15:17.28 | befree22 | bios doesnt support booting the nvme drive directly |
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| 15:19.48 | DrOwl | wwilliam: you can not as such do that, you could have it owned by a diffent user and then give read only permissions |
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| 15:20.41 | wwilliam | It would be nice that not even root can deleted without a pw many people here have the root pw. |
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| 15:20.51 | wwilliam | Thanks DrOwl |
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| 15:21.11 | trek00 | befree22: do you need a temporary fix, or something permanent? |
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| 15:21.22 | befree22 | trek00 both |
| 15:21.29 | befree22 | i just broke my working grub |
| 15:21.31 | trek00 | wwilliam: you can't prevent root removing something |
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| 15:22.03 | trek00 | befree22: try with debian live on your usb stick, it could help you to boot into your nvme |
| 15:22.07 | befree22 | trek00 i would like the temporary fix so i can have a working environment |
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| 15:22.19 | befree22 | i need to install grub to the usb drive |
| 15:22.19 | jhutchins_wk | befree22: What hardware is this on? |
| 15:22.27 | befree22 | a laptop |
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| 15:22.33 | trek00 | befree22: moreover the debian installer has a rescue menu to reinstall grub |
| 15:23.02 | befree22 | i dont understand how it can boot on a different drive than root i've never dont that before |
| 15:23.21 | DrOwl | wwilliam: maybe you could play with mounts... i.e. have that dir on a seperate mount and mount it ro |
| 15:23.37 | trek00 | DrOwl: good tip :) |
| 15:23.48 | eggplant_emoji | Is begging on IRC the best way to get a package backported? |
| 15:24.03 | wwilliam | thanks DrOwl |
| 15:24.23 | greycat | !simple sid backport |
| 15:24.23 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 15:24.41 | DrOwl | most welcome |
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| 15:25.00 | jhutchins_wk | eggplant_emoji: There is also a backports mailing list, and I believe you can file an RFP "bugreport" requesting it. |
| 15:25.12 | befree22 | any ideas? |
| 15:25.17 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 15:25.17 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of herring, a little WD-40, and a dozen starving goats. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 15:25.25 | jhutchins_wk | eggplant_emoji: What package are you looking for? |
| 15:26.00 | trek00 | befree22: i don't understand your last question |
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| 15:26.15 | befree22 | what do i do? |
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| 15:26.35 | DrOwl | befree22 /boot is usually a seperate mount anyway |
| 15:26.36 | eggplant_emoji | greycat: this is a fairly helpful robot |
| 15:26.57 | befree22 | DrOwl ok? |
| 15:28.44 | trek00 | befree22: may be this can help you, it's the guide to rescue from the debian installer iso/usb https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch08s06.en.html |
| 15:28.48 | eggplant_emoji | greycat: are those numbers steps to be followed in order, or alternatives? |
| 15:28.55 | greycat | In order. |
| 15:29.19 | befree22 | can anyone explain it to me? |
| 15:29.56 | eggplant_emoji | greycat++ |
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| 15:30.39 | ratrace | !greycatsnack |
| 15:30.39 | dpkg | hey greycat, here's a peanut butter cookie for all the hard work |
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| 15:31.43 | jhutchins_wk | befree22: Perhaps a preliminary step would be to boot to a live image and see if the OS can even read the nvme? |
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| 15:31.59 | befree22 | it can |
| 15:32.10 | befree22 | it just cant boot directly to it |
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| 15:32.50 | befree22 | i need to boot from a usb which mounts root on the nvme drive |
| 15:33.01 | befree22 | how do i do that? |
| 15:33.36 | sweep90 | does anyone have experience with code::blocks crashing a lot? |
| 15:34.41 | befree22 | rebooting, trying random stuff |
| 15:35.01 | trek00 | befree22: if it is a bios issue, may be you can boot from usb adding this kernel commandline to grub: root=/dev/yourdevice... |
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| 16:00.19 | dataCobra | Hello, if I found a problem that makes it impossible to install debian buster via debootstrap on different systems, to which person, group, email, etc. should I report this? |
| 16:00.45 | dataCobra | It's a problem in the mkconfig of grub |
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| 16:01.42 | dataCobra | But I think that it has something to do with the whole installation process. |
| 16:02.18 | ratrace | dataCobra: what problem? I install debian servers exclusively with debootstrap... |
| 16:02.41 | dataCobra | Okay, I try to explain. |
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| 16:03.06 | ratrace | as for your actual question... |
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| 16:03.13 | ratrace | !reportbug |
| 16:03.13 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
| 16:03.52 | dataCobra | So I use GRML2018.12 as a LIVEcd to install debian via debootstrap |
| 16:04.13 | dataCobra | First of all I use fdisk to partition my disk |
| 16:04.44 | dataCobra | after this i create /dev/sdx1 as boot with ext4 and /dev/sdx2 as lvm with lv_root and lv_swap (as an example) |
| 16:05.35 | dataCobra | After mounting all the stuff to /mnt/chroot I make "debootstrap --arch=amd64 buster http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian |
| 16:05.59 | dataCobra | This works without any problem |
| 16:06.01 | dataCobra | but then |
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| 16:06.21 | dataCobra | I bind /dev /prov/ sys and chroot into the new system |
| 16:06.32 | dataCobra | first of all I install vim and lvm2 |
| 16:06.38 | ratrace | dataCobra: /dev/pts too? |
| 16:06.55 | dataCobra | Let me check my documentation |
| 16:07.05 | dataCobra | I don't think that I mount pts |
| 16:07.06 | ratrace | dataCobra: and sdx1 to /boot of course? |
| 16:07.14 | dataCobra | yeah of course :) |
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| 16:07.24 | ratrace | /dev/pts is needed |
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| 16:07.44 | dataCobra | but if i bind mount /dev to /mnt/chroot/dev pts should be there also |
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| 16:08.02 | ratrace | dataCobra: only if you --rbind or -R. it's not with -B or --bind |
| 16:08.09 | dataCobra | hmm |
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| 16:08.19 | dataCobra | so let me try to explain what happens then |
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| 16:08.43 | ratrace | but then rbind will flak your host's systemd for some reason so I stopped using it in favor of explicitly -B(inding) all parts |
| 16:08.54 | dataCobra | lvm2 takes about 10+ minutes when it tries to configure after apt install |
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| 16:09.11 | ratrace | 's hate of systemd is growing daily, especially this week |
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| 16:09.58 | dataCobra | After lvm2 is done after an unreasonbale amount of time |
| 16:10.19 | jelly | dataCobra: do you have an unreasonable amount of disks or paths to disks? |
| 16:10.19 | dataCobra | I configure /etc/fstab and all the other necessary parts |
| 16:10.27 | dataCobra | na |
| 16:10.29 | dataCobra | no |
| 16:10.44 | dataCobra | the config time does not depend on the amount of disks or stuff |
| 16:11.07 | dataCobra | even if I have onyl sda with sda1 as boot and sda2 as vg with lv1 root and lv2 swap |
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| 16:11.21 | ratrace | clicks Continue |
| 16:11.48 | dataCobra | Then I install all the other stuff like kernel and such |
| 16:12.05 | dataCobra | and of course grub-pc or grub-amd64-efi |
| 16:12.09 | jelly | dataCobra: wait, you first install lvm2 and then the kernel and boot loader? |
| 16:12.12 | dataCobra | depending on the system |
| 16:12.23 | ratrace | and lvm2? |
| 16:12.52 | dataCobra | like I told you directly after I chroot I first install only lvm2 and vim |
| 16:13.04 | ratrace | ah sorry missed that. |
| 16:13.06 | dataCobra | Also this documentation of mine work perfectly for stretch |
| 16:13.08 | ratrace | clicks Continue |
| 16:13.10 | jelly | dataCobra: is /run bind mounted into chroot as well? Do you manual chroot or grml-chroot? |
| 16:13.20 | dataCobra | manualy chroot |
| 16:13.23 | jelly | ok |
| 16:13.33 | dataCobra | run is not bind mounted |
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| 16:13.48 | jelly | because grml-chroot does a lot of that automagically and I don't know precisely what it does |
| 16:13.51 | dataCobra | Then grub tries to configure and stand still for forever |
| 16:13.54 | dataCobra | nothing happens |
| 16:14.14 | dataCobra | I tried it on different systems with different approchas it does not matter |
| 16:14.16 | ratrace | doesn't (bind) mount /run and that doesn't seem to bother the installation |
| 16:14.17 | jelly | grub-pc or grub-efi or happens on both? |
| 16:14.25 | dataCobra | on both |
| 16:14.28 | jelly | weird |
| 16:14.31 | dataCobra | also system independent |
| 16:14.37 | ratrace | oh wait, there's a known bug about this, was mentioned here few days ago |
| 16:14.45 | ratrace | if only I bookmarked it |
| 16:14.47 | dataCobra | I also tried in a kvm/qemu vm |
| 16:15.29 | dataCobra | My first thougth was that there is a problem with fstab or lvm |
| 16:15.54 | dataCobra | But when I make sda2 a luks container and in this lvm the problem is also the same |
| 16:16.09 | dataCobra | I also tried fstab with UUID,LABEL and normal path to dev |
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| 16:16.45 | ratrace | dataCobra: someone else mentioned this here few days ago, and they found a bug report, grub-mkconfig hanging in chroots when lvm is involved |
| 16:16.46 | dataCobra | At the moment I always use my documentation for stretch and dist-upgrade to buster. But this is not worth my time |
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| 16:16.54 | dataCobra | OH |
| 16:16.58 | dataCobra | There is a bug report now? |
| 16:17.06 | dataCobra | I will look for this |
| 16:17.11 | ratrace | they linked it here and I didn't bookmark it |
| 16:17.20 | dataCobra | Last time I looked it up I found nothing |
| 16:17.29 | dataCobra | and was thinking I'm the one to blame |
| 16:18.37 | ratrace | dataCobra: see if binding /run from the host helps |
| 16:18.56 | dataCobra | I will try that :) |
| 16:19.28 | jelly | I suspect it might unhelp |
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| 16:20.04 | dataCobra | Hmm.... |
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| 16:20.27 | dataCobra | So I can't find a bugreport in grub for that |
| 16:20.51 | jelly | it will be a bug for lvm2 presumably |
| 16:21.07 | ratrace | I think this was the bug report https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=925146 |
| 16:21.08 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/925146 in lvm2 (open): «grub-probe appears to be stuck (in chroot)»; severity: important; opened: 2019-03-20; last modified: 2019-07-24. |
| 16:21.31 | dataCobra | judd: Oh thank you very much. :) |
| 16:21.44 | ratrace | you're welcome. |
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| 16:23.49 | jelly | the linked RHEL bug is informative |
| 16:23.53 | jelly | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1676612 |
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| 16:27.30 | eblip | hey how do you get skype on debian buster |
| 16:27.43 | eblip | do i have to install pidgin |
| 16:27.52 | wsky | no need |
| 16:27.58 | wsky | just dpkg -i the deb |
| 16:28.03 | wsky | then apt-get -f install |
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| 16:28.14 | eblip | ah wsky ..ill look into that |
| 16:28.17 | dataCobra | You could also apt install the deb |
| 16:28.37 | eblip | once i install it ...will it be updated with apt update |
| 16:28.44 | dataCobra | No thats not the case |
| 16:28.49 | dataCobra | It's not in the archives |
| 16:29.10 | dataCobra | Do you only write text or do you want to use the video feature also? |
| 16:29.21 | wsky | skype deb scripts install their repo to the system, it will get updates |
| 16:29.26 | eblip | i want to use it for international phone calls |
| 16:29.37 | eblip | fantastic wsky |
| 16:30.33 | themill | btw it's better to use "apt install ./foo.deb" rather than "dpkg -i foo.deb; apt-get -f install" |
| 16:31.41 | dataCobra | themill: eblip: it will install dependencies automaticly with "apt install ./foo.deb" that's why this is better. :) |
| 16:32.03 | wsky | i might be old fashioned |
| 16:32.17 | dataCobra | wsky: nah its okay everybody has it's way |
| 16:32.19 | eblip | yes this sounds great...thank you all so much |
| 16:32.42 | wsky | works fine, i talked today on skype running on debian buster |
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| 16:33.39 | themill | the common follow up question to "dpkg -i foo.deb; apt-get -f install" is "why does apt want to remove foo (for this completely incompatible package)" |
| 16:34.08 | greycat | one wonders if "apt install ./foo.deb" might be more clever |
| 16:34.19 | dataCobra | themill: Oh I'm a bad debian user. Never read that text :O |
| 16:34.53 | domovoy | just a thought: since i manage /foo and everything under it using ACLs, wouldn't it be easier to just 'chown -R root:root /foo; chmod -R u=rwX,g=rwXs,o-rwx /foo', and then manage _all_ permissions using setfacl? anything wrong with that? |
| 16:34.58 | dataCobra | greycat: I think it' not more clever but another way to do it. With less characters |
| 16:35.30 | greycat | I would imagine apt is far less likely to recommend removing foo, if you are explicitly asking to install foo |
| 16:35.34 | domovoy | appart maybe for the fact that the actual permissions are not obvious with a simple 'ls -l' |
| 16:35.38 | themill | greycat: yeah, it will just tell you that the dependencies can't be fulfilled and so will do nothing, rather than half-breaking the package manager first |
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| 16:37.01 | dataCobra | jelly: ratrace: So I read the bugreport stuff. I'm a little scared about this. Because there is no response till 24jul to this report... :/ |
| 16:39.40 | ratrace | dataCobra: InstallZFS(tm) |
| 16:39.56 | dataCobra | ratrace: ppffff... I dont think so |
| 16:40.07 | ratrace | shrugs |
| 16:41.43 | dataCobra | I mean there is no BIG problem with install stretch first and then dist-upgrade to buster. But this is a problem since the release of buster and there is nothing done yet. |
| 16:42.24 | greycat | Debian is many things, but "fast to respond" isn't generally one of them. |
| 16:45.35 | ratrace | also debootstrapping prolly isn't that widespread to become visible as a release-critical bug |
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| 16:46.24 | annadane | idly wonders what the oldest open bug in debian is |
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| 16:47.11 | wsky | probably somewhere in oldstable |
| 16:47.20 | dataCobra | I wonder why this problem does not occure in normel deb install |
| 16:47.33 | dataCobra | *normal |
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| 16:48.07 | greycat | debootstrap gets a LOT less testing |
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| 16:49.30 | dataCobra | not pleased with the answer |
| 16:49.55 | revolutionary | hi all. Is there any way to disable "completely" display managers on Buster? |
| 16:50.00 | ratrace | I depend so much on debootstrap, that if it failed on me, I'd build my own, with blackjack and hooker, and prolly based on a working "regular" installation, converted to ZFS and turned into a tarball |
| 16:50.03 | greycat | !nodm |
| 16:50.03 | dpkg | In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (https://github.com/spanezz/nodm). |
| 16:50.37 | revolutionary | greycat how can i understand am i systemd or not? |
| 16:50.52 | greycat | ls -l /sbin/init |
| 16:50.53 | ratrace | you are, if you need to ask. |
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| 16:50.58 | themill | much much older than oldstable http://paste.debian.net/1115936/ |
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| 16:51.33 | themill | judd, bug 2297 |
| 16:51.34 | revolutionary | greycat what is the other alternative except systemd? |
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| 16:51.34 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/2297 in xterm (open, upstream): «xterm: xterm sometimes gets mouse-paste and RETURN keypress in wrong order»; severity: normal; opened: 1996-02-07; last modified: 2017-02-16. |
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| 16:52.03 | greycat | themill: are they deleted from the "bugs" table when they're closed? |
| 16:52.16 | themill | when they are archived |
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| 16:52.49 | ratrace | Someone should reply to Mrs. Wang. She seems to have an interesting proposal. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=2297 |
| 16:53.14 | ratrace | oh you already posted it, themill :) |
| 16:53.34 | dataCobra | :D |
| 16:54.47 | revolutionary | how can i view installed display managers? |
| 16:55.12 | greycat | revolutionary: dpkg -l gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm # might be a good enough start |
| 16:55.15 | revolutionary | i remember something dpkg --configure x-session or something like that? |
| 16:55.32 | greycat | x-session-manager is your desktop environment, not your display manager |
| 16:55.43 | greycat | I have a feeling you have been asking the wrong questions all along. What are you trying to do? |
| 16:56.01 | revolutionary | i am trying to view installed dmS |
| 16:56.07 | greycat | What do you believe a "dm" is? |
| 16:56.15 | revolutionary | display manager |
| 16:56.17 | kadiro | you can see the default one in /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 16:56.24 | greycat | Explain in English what you belive a displaya manager is. |
| 16:56.41 | revolutionary | sddm or lightdm or something like that |
| 16:56.49 | greycat | revolutionary: dpkg -l gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm # might be a good enough start |
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| 16:57.38 | dataCobra | All that is listed with dpkg -l is installed |
| 16:57.48 | greycat | Not always. |
| 16:57.53 | dataCobra | ? |
| 16:58.07 | dataCobra | In which weird configurations would dpkg -l not show installed? |
| 16:58.20 | ratrace | rc |
| 16:58.25 | kitsune | can anyone help me im having an issue changing the background in gdm3 |
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| 16:58.30 | greycat | sometimes it shows things that are removed-but-not-purged, or things that have never been installed, but show up because they're mentioned by something else, I dunno, never quite understood |
| 16:58.35 | kitsune | i tried following the debian wiki instructions but they didnt work |
| 16:58.58 | greycat | http://paste.wooledge.org/391 |
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| 16:59.15 | greycat | Why did it show mdadm? I have no idea. |
| 17:00.01 | annadane | kitsune, for what? |
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| 17:01.07 | dataCobra | kitsune wants to do this: can anyone help me im having an issue changing the background in gdm3 |
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| 17:01.56 | annadane | knowing gnome? probably some obscure nonsense |
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| 17:02.15 | annadane | https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/look-background.html.en |
| 17:02.18 | dataCobra | Isn't there a update alternatives for the gnome background? |
| 17:02.40 | kadiro | I believe most DM have right click menu from desktop to do that |
| 17:02.45 | dka | how can I open an obex url on debian ? |
| 17:02.51 | annadane | gnome probably doesn't (but i don't know) |
| 17:03.04 | dka | I have tried nemo obex://08:AE:D6:84:A7:57 , didnt work |
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| 17:03.15 | mad_monk | How can I install xtables-addons-common on debian 10 (buster)? |
| 17:03.21 | dataCobra | What is obex for a protocol? |
| 17:03.25 | dataCobra | Never heard of it |
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| 17:03.48 | trek00 | dataCobra: bluetooth |
| 17:03.49 | dka | http://dev.zuckschwerdt.org/openobex/wiki |
| 17:04.29 | dataCobra | trek00: ph |
| 17:04.34 | dataCobra | trek00: *oh |
| 17:04.39 | kitsune | dataCobra, annadane: I've tried changing /etc/gdm3/greeter.dconf-defaults as per the wiki and /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme/gnome-classic.css and neither work |
| 17:05.00 | dataCobra | Which background in the gdm did you tried to change in particula |
| 17:05.04 | annadane | you probably don't need to do that purely for backgrounds |
| 17:05.04 | dataCobra | *particular? |
| 17:05.20 | kitsune | im trying to change the login background |
| 17:05.23 | dataCobra | the grey one when typing login credentials or the normal |
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| 17:05.28 | annadane | ah. |
| 17:05.29 | kitsune | the grey one |
| 17:05.31 | dataCobra | Ahhh |
| 17:05.34 | dataCobra | okay |
| 17:05.39 | dataCobra | I've did that some time age |
| 17:05.41 | dataCobra | *ago |
| 17:05.47 | dataCobra | Let me look it up for you |
| 17:05.58 | dka | it's written here : http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_setup_Bluetooth for a file browser. In the Location: option put |
| 17:05.58 | dka | obex://[00:01:02:03:04:05] |
| 17:06.03 | dka | but that's not true |
| 17:06.22 | trek00 | dka: if you need to work with bluetooth you should install bluez |
| 17:06.23 | dataCobra | dka: maybe some \ for the [ |
| 17:06.30 | dka | It says nemo cannot handle obex locations |
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| 17:06.43 | dka | No I guess nemo cant do it |
| 17:06.50 | dka | how can I browser file over obex on debian? |
| 17:06.51 | annadane | if the wiki DOES say that, and it doesn't work, i'm 99% certain GNOME changed its behavior from the last release in debian which means the wiki entry needs to be changed |
| 17:06.59 | kitsune | dataCobra: ive tried pretty much every solution google has gave me and none work |
| 17:07.20 | kitsune | dataCobra: the debian wiki instructions for gdm are incorrect |
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| 17:07.46 | trek00 | dka: with obexfs you can mount obex filesystems |
| 17:07.59 | dka | I want something more friendly it's for my personal laptop |
| 17:08.05 | dataCobra | kitsune: so you edit "/usr/share/gnome-shell/theme/gnome-shell.css" |
| 17:08.07 | dka | no need the command line for thos |
| 17:08.19 | kitsune | there is no gnome-shell.css in that directory |
| 17:08.22 | dka | I'd want to have the button browser file available and working and for that I need a GUI fs for obex |
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| 17:08.26 | revolutionary | how can i test are display managers are really displayed? Is there any test process? |
| 17:08.38 | revolutionary | for example gpg prompts |
| 17:08.40 | trek00 | dka: may be there is some plugin related to your filemanager and bluez/obex |
| 17:08.46 | kadiro | kitsune, try to create it |
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| 17:08.55 | kitsune | dataCobra: only gnome-classic.css and gnome-classic-high-contrast.css |
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| 17:09.09 | dataCobra_ | revolutionary: could you explain this a bit more? |
| 17:09.41 | revolutionary | dataCobra_ i removed sddm from my computer and i wanna test display managers are really removed |
| 17:10.11 | dataCobra_ | revolutionary: do I understand correct that you want to know if sddm is really removed from the system? |
| 17:10.19 | revolutionary | yes |
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| 17:10.42 | kadiro | remove/purge it |
| 17:11.04 | dataCobra | kitsune: "update-alternatives --config gdm3.css" what does this tell you? |
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| 17:11.24 | dataCobra_ | revolutionary: so use "apt autoremove --purge sddm |
| 17:11.45 | dataCobra_ | revolutionary: but be careful and look up which packages get uninstalled from the system |
| 17:12.05 | dataCobra_ | revolutionary: because of dependencies you could break more then you might think |
| 17:12.29 | dataCobra_ | It's weird to write with 2 accounts at once |
| 17:12.37 | dataCobra_ | disconnect on my laptop |
| 17:12.39 | revolutionary | dataCobra_ making apt autoremove all things is a good idea for saving place? |
| 17:13.04 | trek00 | dka: do you have gvfs-backends installed? |
| 17:13.14 | kadiro | that's for autoclean I believe |
| 17:13.17 | dataCobra_ | revolutionary: do you mean diskspace with place? |
| 17:13.25 | revolutionary | yes |
| 17:14.09 | dataCobra_ | If apt autoremove tells you to remove something it frees up some disk space yeah |
| 17:14.38 | annadane | i mean do pay attention to what it actually offers to remove |
| 17:14.44 | dka | Yes I do trek00 |
| 17:14.49 | kitsune | dataCobra: update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for gdm3.css |
| 17:14.55 | annadane | don't just blindly remove stuff that'll wreck your system |
| 17:14.58 | dka | I am not able to understand how I can use the obex ftp at all |
| 17:14.58 | dataCobra_ | kitsune: hmmm |
| 17:15.02 | dka | I am on Debian buster latest version |
| 17:15.09 | dka | nemo can't open obex:// url |
| 17:15.15 | dataCobra_ | maybe let my fast install a vm with debian gnome |
| 17:15.17 | dka | Is there any file browser that can ? |
| 17:15.17 | kitsune | i tried creating a gnome-shell.css so i will log real quick to see if it working |
| 17:15.32 | dataCobra_ | kitsune: I will make a vm with debian gnome |
| 17:15.38 | dataCobra_ | give mea 5 minutes |
| 17:16.35 | trek00 | dka: i don't know, but did you paired bluetooth devices? |
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| 17:16.51 | dataCobra_ | dka: maybe nautilus can |
| 17:17.00 | dataCobra_ | dka: it has some very nice modules to offer |
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| 17:17.16 | dataCobra_ | dka: look it up in the archives |
| 17:17.32 | revolutionary | Is using non-free packages mean we are not safe, is this correct? |
| 17:17.44 | dataCobra_ | kitsune: you are currently on buster right? |
| 17:17.46 | kitsune | alright so creating gnome-shell.css had no effect |
| 17:17.46 | dataCobra_ | 10.1? |
| 17:17.53 | kitsune | dataCobra: yes buster |
| 17:18.14 | dataCobra_ | kitsune: so I'm currently installing a vm now with buster gnome |
| 17:18.14 | kitsune | dataCobra: i just installed today using the latest unofficial iso |
| 17:18.23 | dataCobra_ | unofficial iso?! :D |
| 17:18.42 | kadiro | maybe gnome-shell.css become gnome-classic.css ( not sure ) |
| 17:18.42 | somiaj | revolutionary: safe from what? Debian provides non-free packages according to the non-free licesense of said packages. You may want to read each license so you know what you are agreeing to. |
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| 17:18.48 | kitsune | Yeah the one that comes with non-free software |
| 17:19.09 | trek00 | revolutionary: it means it is non-free software, may be it is even closed source, thus no one can inspect if it contains bugs |
| 17:19.20 | revolutionary | somiaj: i am using iwlwifi non-free package for working WIFI. Is this safe or not? |
| 17:19.43 | dataCobra_ | revolutionary: it is safe to use non-free |
| 17:19.50 | kitsune | revolutionary: its not unsafe, its just not FOSS |
| 17:19.59 | dataCobra_ | revolutionary: non-free does mean that the code is not opensource/freesoftware |
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| 17:20.23 | dataCobra_ | revolutionary: some devices need non-free drivers to work |
| 17:20.31 | dataCobra_ | revolutionary: so iwlwifi is fine |
| 17:20.44 | kitsune | dataCobra: maybe its a bug with the latest version of gdm3 because i had the same issue in fedora |
| 17:20.45 | dataCobra_ | revolutionary: if it works with your wifi-card |
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| 17:21.03 | dataCobra_ | kitsune: Maybe but this would be odd |
| 17:21.49 | somiaj | revolutionary: you haven't defined safe. Do you trust intel? The wifi firmware is used mostly to control the frequences and power of the wireless communication. Intel does this with a closed source binary blob because of regulations on what sort of power/frequences can be used, and this is the way they choose to control this. |
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| 17:21.57 | revolutionary | i am using Lenovo and i wanted to changed to wifi card today and i got error 1802 unsupported PCI card error on BIOS. THen i did some research on the internet and i found no-1802 tool for hacking BIOS "but" i am not sure for hacking BIOS for working Atheros wifi card. Do you have any opinions? |
| 17:22.12 | kitsune | revolutionary: are you using a thinkpad? |
| 17:22.20 | revolutionary | yep |
| 17:22.28 | somiaj | revolutionary: note with wifi, even if you have a card that doesn't use non-free firmware file, there is non-free firmware on the card, so for firmware, I would boil it down, do you trust the manufacture or not. |
| 17:22.29 | kitsune | revolutionary: they have whitelisted cards in the bios |
| 17:22.30 | jhutchins_wk | ,v xtables-addons-common |
| 17:22.31 | judd | Package: xtables-addons-common on amd64 -- jessie: 2.6-1; stretch: 2.12-0.1; bullseye: 3.5-0.1; sid: 3.5-0.1 |
| 17:22.39 | revolutionary | kitsune: mine is too old :) |
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| 17:22.45 | kitsune | revolutionary: i run a t430 |
| 17:22.50 | revolutionary | sl510 |
| 17:22.51 | somiaj | (though I guess some cards allow one to flash open firmware on it, this is a very rare case) |
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| 17:23.06 | kitsune | revolutionary: you either need to reflash the BIOS which is extremely difficult |
| 17:23.25 | revolutionary | kitsune: do you recommend any page for this? I can do this |
| 17:23.25 | kitsune | revolutionary: or install a card that is compatible |
| 17:23.34 | dataCobra | I've lost the connection to the channel |
| 17:24.02 | revolutionary | and kitsune: how can i find compatible wifi cards for my device? |
| 17:24.22 | revolutionary | and free firmware ones :) |
| 17:24.54 | dataCobra | revolutionary: to get free firmware wifi cards is really hard |
| 17:25.05 | kitsune | revolutionary: https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Custom_BIOS |
| 17:25.28 | revolutionary | kitsune: Custom BIOSes are safe? I mean hacking BIOS is safe? |
| 17:25.29 | kitsune | i dont know if it will work with the sl510 though ive only ever seen it done with t-series or w-series |
| 17:26.00 | kitsune | revolutionary: no its very unsafe, if you mess it up you will brick your machine and require a new MOBO |
| 17:26.21 | revolutionary | kitsune: are you serious? |
| 17:26.23 | maqr | kitsune: not strictly true... a surprising amount of mobos have 2 bios's now because people screw them up |
| 17:26.31 | kitsune | revolutionary: not with thinkpads |
| 17:26.42 | kitsune | maqr: not with thinkpads* |
| 17:27.00 | maqr | oh, no, sorry, not thinkpads, but a bunch of gaming mobos have that feature now with a little hardware switch you can toggle if you do something stupid |
| 17:27.06 | revolutionary | if i can't achieve how can i install old BIOS for my device? |
| 17:27.27 | maqr | revolutionary: you'd need some kind of flashing hardware and if you have to ask you're probably not going to be able to do it easily |
| 17:27.39 | kitsune | revolutionary: here is an example on the t430 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZlktXFNJk |
| 17:27.53 | maqr | (if you bricked it, that is) |
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| 17:28.08 | kitsune | revolutionary: honestly if you want to be 100% open source your better off not using wifi |
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| 17:28.30 | kitsune | dataCobra_: how is the vm coming along? |
| 17:28.44 | kitsune | dataCobra_: also thankyou for the time youre putting in to help me |
| 17:29.23 | dataCobra | kitsune: its almost finished |
| 17:29.28 | dataCobra | kitsune: no problem |
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| 17:33.56 | Deihmos | what do you use to get cpu temp? |
| 17:33.58 | dataCobra | kitsune: so vm is up. I'm examine this now |
| 17:34.07 | Deihmos | lm-sensors ? |
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| 17:34.23 | dataCobra | kitsune: I will give you a report in about 5 muin |
| 17:34.24 | dataCobra | *min |
| 17:34.28 | kitsune | Deihmos: lm-sensors is what i've always use |
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| 17:34.44 | revolutionary | appreciate for your interest and help. how can i find a webpage for free-firmware WIFI cards? Do you know any? |
| 17:34.50 | kitsune | Deihmos: there is also a GUI addon for lm-sensors if you like that kind of stuff |
| 17:35.01 | revolutionary | kitsune: btw i am watching that video now, thanks. |
| 17:35.06 | Deihmos | i don't have a gui |
| 17:35.53 | kitsune | revolutionary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open-source_wireless_drivers#Linux any card that matches these chipsets |
| 17:36.16 | kitsune | Deihmos: you run debian cli? |
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| 17:37.53 | kitsune | revolutionary: i would reccomend the atheros chipsets as i've used a couple of them before and they tend to work better with little configuration |
| 17:38.26 | revolutionary | kitsune: i have a TL-WNN722N v1 external WIFI adapter. Is this safe? |
| 17:38.41 | revolutionary | i guess it is not required non-free |
| 17:39.15 | kitsune | revolutionary: doing some packet injection? It all depends what you mean by "safe" |
| 17:39.35 | Deihmos | Yes. I got the sensors. |
| 17:39.47 | Deihmos | Debian host my Plex server |
| 17:40.05 | revolutionary | kitsune: not packet injection. I mean it is using ath firmware and not required non-free firmwares. I checked from that wiki page |
| 17:40.39 | kitsune | revolutionary: yes that should be fine, i actually have one of those cards myself |
| 17:41.11 | kitsune | revolutionary: the only issue is that only v1 of that card uses the correct chipset, so its hard to find v1 nowadays i beleive the latest revision is v3 |
| 17:41.25 | revolutionary | i have v1 |
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| 17:41.31 | revolutionary | ar9271 |
| 17:41.56 | kitsune | revolutionary: then with an external card you should be able to just install those drivers and run it without reflashing |
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| 17:42.13 | kitsune | revolutionary: i thought you meant you had a new pciE card |
| 17:42.27 | revolutionary | kitsune: how can i install the drivers for this device on Buster? |
| 17:42.49 | revolutionary | kitsune: also i have a Atheros mini pciE card except this |
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| 17:45.05 | mad_monk | any pointers to install xtables-addon-common on debian buster? |
| 17:45.36 | mad_monk | https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/xtables-addons-common/filelist giving an error |
| 17:45.43 | kitsune | revolutionary: https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc/open_firmware |
| 17:46.04 | kitsune | dataCobra: find anything yet? |
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| 17:46.41 | greycat | ,v xtables-addons-common |
| 17:46.43 | judd | Package: xtables-addons-common on amd64 -- jessie: 2.6-1; stretch: 2.12-0.1; bullseye: 3.5-0.1; sid: 3.5-0.1 |
| 17:47.38 | kitsune | revolutionary: i would stick with the usb since the pciE card would require the bios flash |
| 17:48.17 | dataCobra | kitsune: I looked up the guide on the archwiki now |
| 17:48.25 | dataCobra | kitsune: it looks familiar to me |
| 17:48.32 | dataCobra | I think I did it that way |
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| 17:49.35 | Deihmos | sensors isn't that good. I thought it would work similar to htop with background updates. |
| 17:49.39 | dataCobra | kitsune: Since this is very time consuming I'm sorry but for trying this for you I have no time :/ |
| 17:50.10 | dataCobra | kitsune: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GDM#Log-in_screen_background_image |
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| 17:50.38 | dataCobra | If this does not help, maybe try to ask someone in the gnome channel |
| 17:50.44 | revolutionary | kitsune: i will remove connectors from MOBO of intel and install USB :) |
| 17:50.45 | revolutionary | thanks |
| 17:51.24 | kadiro | Deihmos, I have conky for that kind of things ( cpus, gpus, fans, ... ) |
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| 17:56.38 | dataCobra | kitsune: I hope that helps you |
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| 18:24.20 | revolutionary | kitsune: could you please build firmware and upload to a website for me? I am seeing ETA too long. |
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| 18:24.46 | greycat | "build firmware"? |
| 18:24.55 | revolutionary | yes atk9k_htc |
| 18:25.06 | revolutionary | https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc/open_firmware |
| 18:25.15 | wsky | firmware packages are binary blobs, proprietary |
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| 18:25.32 | revolutionary | if you read the page you will understand what i mean :) |
| 18:25.33 | greycat | "There's also a binary version prepared for the debian archives in the package firmware-ath9k-htc" |
| 18:25.36 | wsky | ah there is open implementation as well |
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| 18:25.53 | revolutionary | i stuck at make toolchain step |
| 18:25.59 | revolutionary | it is taking too long |
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| 18:26.43 | greycat | why can't you just use the binary package? |
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| 18:27.21 | revolutionary | greycat: i didn't understand you. when i opened debian page i saw them and i thought this is correct way |
| 18:27.29 | greycat | "There's also a binary version prepared for the debian archives in the package firmware-ath9k-htc" |
| 18:27.33 | greycat | Second sentence on the page. |
| 18:28.22 | revolutionary | greycat: just apt install firmware-ath9k-htc" and reboot? Will that work? |
| 18:28.39 | greycat | ,v firmware-ath9k-htc |
| 18:28.40 | judd | Package: firmware-ath9k-htc on amd64 -- bullseye: 1.4.0-97-g75b3e59+dfsg-3; buster: 1.4.0-97-g75b3e59+dfsg-3; sid: 1.4.0-97-g75b3e59+dfsg-3 |
| 18:28.49 | greycat | if you're on buster, it should |
| 18:28.57 | revolutionary | yes i am on Buster |
| 18:29.09 | revolutionary | i will try now that and i am cancelling current process |
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| 18:30.49 | revolutionary | i installed. Now i will poweroff the computer and try. Let's see. |
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| 18:36.33 | kitsune | dataCobra: thankyou, the archlinux instructions worked perfectly |
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| 18:39.50 | UnLokitoFeliz | Help, Make sure you have pkg-config installed |
| 18:39.50 | UnLokitoFeliz | In the case of gnutls configuration errors on debian, |
| 18:39.50 | UnLokitoFeliz | Ubuntu, etc, you should ensure that you have installed |
| 18:39.50 | UnLokitoFeliz | gnutls-bin as well as libgnutls-dev and libgnutls. |
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| 18:43.58 | towo` | UnLokitoFeliz, context? |
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| 18:58.57 | KOLANICH | Hello. |
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| 18:59.58 | KOLANICH | Can anyone explain where the keys are stored if /etc/apt/trusted.gpg is missing? |
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| 19:00.24 | greycat | there's /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ |
| 19:01.06 | KOLANICH | I tried to just add a gpg file there, but apt doesn't use it. |
| 19:01.41 | greycat | If you're trying to add keys for your private repository, or for some third-party repository, see apt-key(8). |
| 19:01.57 | greycat | even if you're NOT, see apt-key(8) |
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| 19:03.41 | KOLANICH | greycat: yes, I know. Just don't want to reverse engineer it from source. Thanks anyway, it seems I will have to. |
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| 19:04.25 | greycat | or, you could tell us what you're trying to do |
| 19:04.42 | jelly | KOLANICH: keys are added as a single key per file in old gpg v1 compatible public key ring format |
| 19:05.08 | jelly | does not accept gpg 2.x default "keybox" format because REASONS |
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| 19:05.47 | jelly | had a command line example, but he ated it |
| 19:05.52 | KOLANICH | jelly: thanks for the info! |
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| 19:15.09 | annadane | can anyone tell me what version of debian is needed for this? https://www.notebookcheck.net/Rockchip-RK3288-SoC-Benchmarks-and-Specs.148374.0.html |
| 19:15.20 | annadane | i guess ARM |
| 19:16.01 | annadane | arm64 specifically |
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| 19:17.47 | Habbie | The ARM Cortex-A12 is the successor to the Cortex-A9 and is based on a 32 Bit ARMv7-A microarchitecture. |
| 19:17.52 | Habbie | annadane, ^ so not arm64 |
| 19:18.12 | annadane | so armhf? |
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| 19:18.22 | jelly | annadane: people in #linux-rockchip will tell you where to read what that SoC is precisely capable of |
| 19:18.30 | annadane | okay |
| 19:18.30 | jelly | possibly even s/people/topic/ |
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| 19:19.22 | jelly | which "version of Debian" could or might work is a whole different question from "which debian architecture is going to work" |
| 19:19.39 | annadane | i'm advising someone on what to get for their chromebook, which debian image, their self described specs are Rockchip Quad-Core RK3288C Processor, 4 GB RAM, 16 GB eMMC, Chrome OS) |
| 19:19.58 | annadane | and, yeah, i meant architecture |
| 19:20.01 | annadane | not version |
| 19:20.22 | Habbie | it would have been much more useful if they specified the single word chromebook model name :) |
| 19:20.29 | jelly | ^ |
| 19:20.45 | annadane | i'll ask them |
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| 19:26.03 | Sepultura | why Linux has no wopen(wchar_t* filename, int mode); ? |
| 19:27.09 | greycat | Filenames are byte arrays, not interpreted as characters in any particular character set. |
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| 19:27.47 | greycat | If you make a filename with a Latin-1 character and then try to "ls" it in a UTF-8 locale, you'll get gibberish. |
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| 19:30.26 | annadane | Habbie, ASUS Chromebook C201 |
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| 19:30.34 | annadane | though i've been informed by the other channel it's armhf |
| 19:31.33 | revolutionary | greycat: i installed firmware-ath9k-htc package and rebooted. Now i can see the WI-FI names but i can't connect :S |
| 19:31.50 | Sepultura | greycat: I wonder that Windows wants wchar_t for their api |
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| 19:34.34 | revolutionary | can someone help me about WIFI on Buster? |
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| 19:35.30 | karlpinc | !ask |
| 19:35.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:36.08 | karlpinc | revolutionary: Otherwise, you have to be patient. |
| 19:37.29 | revolutionary | okay, let me explain my issue. I installed firmware-ath9k-htc package and rebooted. Then plugged my WIFI adapter, i can see the WIFI names but it stuck at connecting. It stuck at "Configuring interface" step. |
| 19:37.30 | karlpinc | revolutionary: Also, details are necessary. How do you "see" them. How are you trying to connect? How do you know you're not connected? etc. |
| 19:37.35 | revolutionary | okay, let me explain my issue. I installed firmware-ath9k-htc package and rebooted. Then plugged my WIFI adapter, i can see the WIFI names but it stuck at connecting. It stuck at "Configuring interface" step. |
| 19:37.57 | karlpinc | "it"? |
| 19:38.03 | revolutionary | Computer |
| 19:39.05 | revolutionary | i was using embedded Intel wifi adapter, then i removed that and plugged this one. |
| 19:39.22 | karlpinc | revolutionary: The computer sits there until you run software. But "software" is useless. So... what software and how did you start it? |
| 19:39.27 | revolutionary | if you have more details please ask |
| 19:39.38 | revolutionary | karlpinc i can't understand you what do you mean |
| 19:40.30 | karlpinc | You are running some software that's trying to "configuring interface". What software? (How did you start the software, etc.) |
| 19:41.16 | revolutionary | karlpinc: WIFI section. I am seeing "Configuring interface" text on WIFI list under the AP's name |
| 19:41.30 | karlpinc | WIFI section of what program? |
| 19:41.36 | revolutionary | KDE |
| 19:41.40 | revolutionary | Buster |
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| 19:43.10 | karlpinc | Ok. So someone will probably tell you to try instead to start wifi on the command line so that we can follow along. (I'm not a wifi sorta person.) |
| 19:43.59 | revolutionary | karlpinc: thank you |
| 19:44.34 | karlpinc | revolutionary: You have to supply enough info for people to be able to reproduce your problem. What you typed, what you expected, what happened, etc. |
| 19:45.49 | RoyK | revolutionary: pastbin output of "lspci" and "ip link list", please |
| 19:46.14 | greycat | lspci -nn is better than lspci, typically |
| 19:46.17 | RoyK | add a "sudo" in front of those commands |
| 19:46.26 | greycat | I don't think that matters |
| 19:46.36 | RoyK | probably not |
| 19:46.59 | RoyK | better start with an overview and then dig further later |
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| 19:47.33 | revolutionary | RoyK: https://share.riseup.net/#gUC6TiPsD0RUvPfyfwYdWA |
| 19:47.45 | revolutionary | this is lsusb because i don't have pci network card |
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| 19:49.26 | RoyK | !pastebin |
| 19:49.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 19:49.35 | revolutionary | https://share.riseup.net/#xKslZ7rULeGh2DszqFU6Ug |
| 19:49.39 | RoyK | better use that instead of some fancy shit |
| 19:49.45 | revolutionary | ip link list |
| 19:49.51 | revolutionary | pastebin? |
| 19:49.53 | revolutionary | okay |
| 19:50.16 | RoyK | !pastebinit |
| 19:50.16 | dpkg | A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg 2>&1 | pastebinit". For a list of pastebin sites do "pastebinit -l". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 19:50.41 | greycat | The excessively long pseudo-random "key" in the URL probably means it does Javascript decryption and therefore can't be opened with curl or w3m or lynx or whatever. |
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| 19:51.00 | revolutionary | https://pastebin.com/k3FVhc4d |
| 19:51.23 | RoyK | or pastebin.debian.org - damnit - pastebin.com is spamming! |
| 19:51.34 | RoyK | pastebin.debian.net even |
| 19:51.36 | greycat | Yup, curl https://share.riseup.net/#xKslZ7rULeGh2DszqFU6Ug tells me (among other things) "Javascript is required to view and upload files." |
| 19:51.51 | greycat | paste.debian.net is what you're trying for |
| 19:51.58 | revolutionary | greycat JS is for encrypting. anyway i am uploading paste.debian.net |
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| 19:52.56 | revolutionary | https://paste.debian.net/1115959/ |
| 19:53.17 | karlpinc | lspci -nn had to be run as root last time I paid attention. (Please let me know if this is no longer true.) |
| 19:53.20 | revolutionary | https://paste.debian.net/1115960/ |
| 19:53.50 | greycat | karlpinc: it's never been true |
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| 19:55.11 | greycat | 1115960 appears to be "lsusb" output and includes this line: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0cf3:9271 Qualcomm Atheros Communications AR9271 802.11n |
| 19:55.32 | RoyK | what is wlx90f6520ea30b ? |
| 19:55.41 | annadane | cat walking on keyboard |
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| 19:55.49 | revolutionary | RoyK: external WIFI adapter |
| 19:55.54 | greycat | wireless interface under the new "predictable" naming scheme |
| 19:55.56 | revolutionary | tl-wn722n |
| 19:56.01 | RoyK | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0cf3:9271 Qualcomm Atheros Communications AR9271 802.11n |
| 19:56.04 | RoyK | probably that one |
| 19:56.08 | revolutionary | yep |
| 19:56.19 | greycat | USB devices typically get named with their MAC address |
| 19:56.23 | RoyK | revolutionary: have you configured it? |
| 19:56.29 | karlpinc | greycat: Humm. I don't know what I'm thinking of then. |
| 19:56.49 | revolutionary | RoyK: no. i don't know how can i do |
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| 20:03.44 | boktan | hi this is my xorg file: https://pastebin.com/XLXV2WQ3 and here have one guide: https://hashcat.net/wiki/doku.php?id=timeout_patch but i did not understand where to put those text the site is explaining can anyone help me few seconds? |
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| 20:04.27 | boktan | if i just put those lines at bottom of file i stuck on boot screen |
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| 20:07.43 | revolutionary | i solved |
| 20:07.59 | RoyK | revolutionary: found the problem? |
| 20:08.33 | revolutionary | i edited NetworkManager.conf and added these lines "[device] wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=0" |
| 20:08.35 | revolutionary | and solved |
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| 20:08.41 | boktan | help me please |
| 20:08.42 | revolutionary | is this confirmed and trusted way? |
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| 20:08.53 | revolutionary | found from the internet |
| 20:09.26 | revolutionary | RoyK: how can i change my interface's name |
| 20:09.27 | towo` | boktan, https://paste.debian.net/1115962/ |
| 20:09.32 | revolutionary | to original one |
| 20:09.37 | revolutionary | wlps5...... |
| 20:10.01 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkInterfaceNames |
| 20:10.13 | boktan | thank you so much towo' |
| 20:11.21 | revolutionary | greycat: can you tell me the original wifi interface name? i don't remember that |
| 20:11.34 | greycat | Why on earth do you think I would know? |
| 20:11.37 | boktan | towo` can i ask you why remove the last option from xorg.conf? |
| 20:11.52 | RoyK | revolutionary: no reason to do so - just keep the old one |
| 20:11.53 | greycat | Here, I'll pick a name for you: walter. |
| 20:11.58 | towo` | boktan, forget to copy |
| 20:12.09 | greycat | You should name your interface walter. |
| 20:12.22 | towo` | boktan, if you want help more often, don't use pastebin.com |
| 20:12.24 | revolutionary | greycat: that page is too complex |
| 20:12.45 | revolutionary | can you tell me the easiest way to change that and make permanent |
| 20:13.12 | RoyK | revolutionary: the page says "reconfigure udev to do so" - just do so |
| 20:13.30 | greycat | Or leave things as they are. |
| 20:13.37 | RoyK | greycat++ |
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| 20:13.50 | boktan | towo` okay thank you i also need to add one line below bus id thats all right? |
| 20:14.03 | towo` | boktan, exact |
| 20:14.03 | boktan | which is Option "Interactive" "False" |
| 20:14.09 | boktan | okay thank you very much |
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| 20:15.36 | boktan | towo`its worked thank you so much again |
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| 20:26.15 | revolutionary | that webpage is not supported on Buster |
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| 20:26.26 | revolutionary | how can i change my WIFI's interface name? |
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| 20:26.51 | Ankman | revolutionary: if the provider allows this |
| 20:27.11 | revolutionary | Ankman: i am using Buster and i wanna change that |
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| 20:27.19 | somiaj | revolutionary: what do you want to change it to? |
| 20:27.29 | Ankman | umm, you're not talking about your wifi router? |
| 20:27.41 | somiaj | revolutionary: like do you want to go back to the old system, wlan0 or something like that, or use something particular? |
| 20:27.41 | revolutionary | somiaj: it is using it's mac address |
| 20:27.50 | revolutionary | wlan0 |
| 20:28.06 | Ankman | if you use hostapd on linux you can |
| 20:28.22 | Aebian | hey, short question, I have a IPsec vpn on eth0 that creates a own ip on the adapter, 10.1.6.25/32 can I somehow force all outbound traffic over this ip instead of the default ip of eth0? version is latest buster |
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| 20:28.37 | Ankman | ooooh, you want to change wlan0 into something different? |
| 20:28.55 | revolutionary | no i wanna change to wlan0 from wlx8398493874 |
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| 20:29.20 | greycat | It's actually wlx90f6520ea30b. They can't even paste it correctly. |
| 20:29.33 | somiaj | revolutionary: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ -- I think the suggested way is to do it via a system .link unit |
| 20:29.45 | somiaj | https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.link.html |
| 20:30.07 | annadane | has science gone too far? |
| 20:31.27 | somiaj | in that page, example 2 shows how to assign a specific name to a mac address |
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| 20:32.37 | Ankman | revolutionary: stackexchange mentions "ip link set wlx8398493874 name wlan0" |
| 20:32.54 | greycat | Ankman: that is not a permanent change |
| 20:32.57 | somiaj | Ankman: probably not that useful of a solution if they want it set that way each time. |
| 20:32.57 | Ankman | this is not permanent. might use this command in /etc/rc.local |
| 20:33.15 | greycat | Ankman: that's not the correct approach |
| 20:33.17 | somiaj | rc.local is also not the best place to do that, just make a systemd .link unit as per the links I psated. |
| 20:33.18 | revolutionary | greycat knows but not talking |
| 20:33.26 | Ankman | ok |
| 20:33.28 | somiaj | revolutionary: I gave you a link that even provides an example |
| 20:33.32 | greycat | revolutionary: you have been given TWO pages that say how to do it. |
| 20:33.50 | revolutionary | what should i write for file name for that link? |
| 20:33.57 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 20:34.41 | Ankman | first plonk i've seen in irc |
| 20:34.51 | annadane | oh boy are you new. |
| 20:35.09 | Ankman | not really. saw it a lot in the usenet though |
| 20:35.28 | Ankman | using irc since the late 1990s |
| 20:35.29 | revolutionary | btw my /etc/systemd/network/ folder is empty |
| 20:36.04 | somiaj | revolutionary: by default it will be, because the adminstrator has not put any custom .link units in there. |
| 20:36.16 | somiaj | it won't be empty once you add a .link unit for your interface |
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| 20:36.49 | revolutionary | how can i prevent my computer for hibernation and suspend? When i close the lid it is entering suspend/hibernation and i can't turn on again |
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| 20:39.49 | somiaj | revolutionary: yes, there is a way to do this in /etc/systemd/logind.conf, you need to have HandleLidSwitch=ignore |
| 20:39.52 | somiaj | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/200125/debian-8-jessie-laptop-stops-working-after-closing-the-laptop-lid |
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| 20:43.07 | teclo- | evening, I am a regular user of Debian GNU/Linux and I did a clean install of Debian 10.1 on my server, I got a question... I've got my start_firewall.sh script that sets up NAT and firewall. I've been told to put a symlink to that script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d so it is started at boot time. But at boot time, it does not start ! Where should I link to my firewall script ? |
| 20:44.02 | Wulf | teclo-: you can create a systemd unit |
| 20:44.13 | whislock | teclo-: There are utilities that can manage the firewall for you. It might make your life considerably easier. |
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| 20:44.22 | greycat | teclo-: interfaces(5) says the scripts in that directory are run by run-parts(8), so they have to follow the naming requirements of run-parts. |
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| 20:44.36 | teclo- | greycat: ah, that I didn't know |
| 20:44.47 | Wulf | whislock: I write my own firewall configs too. I know what I'm doing and I don't want to be restricted by some tool. |
| 20:45.21 | whislock | Wulf: I also know what I'm doing. To absurd degrees. It's not restricting at all. Anything you can do in iptables, you can do in several tools. |
| 20:45.34 | whislock | Without the annoyance of managing iptables rules manually. |
| 20:45.48 | teclo- | whislock: yes but my script is written and it works... in particular my script does echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward .... not sure the firewall tools can do t hat |
| 20:46.08 | Ankman | doesn't have any firewall rules other blocking some "bad" pings |
| 20:46.19 | Wulf | whislock: to be honest, I never really looked at those tools (ufw etc.). But I can't imagine how they allow full flexibility without adding any restrictions |
| 20:46.32 | whislock | Wulf: Well, they do. /shrug |
| 20:46.51 | whislock | teclo-: Forwarding isn't a firewall function, so that's an odd place to put that. /etc/sysctl.d exists for a reason. |
| 20:46.55 | teclo- | reads the run-parts (8) manpage |
| 20:46.56 | Ankman | in my opinion Linux doesn't need a firewall. you can bind most services to a device |
| 20:47.08 | whislock | Ankman: EVERYTHING needs a firewall. |
| 20:47.23 | Ankman | like my CUPS only listens to 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:47.24 | Wulf | Ankman: in theory you're right. In practice it's better to have multiple safeguards. |
| 20:47.26 | teclo- | whislock: yes forwarding isn't a firwall function, but you need to enable it |
| 20:47.41 | whislock | teclo-: Again, /etc/sysctl.d exists for that reason. |
| 20:47.47 | teclo- | Ankman: ah you don't need a firewall for that ;) .... you can tell CUPS to listen only to 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:48.00 | whislock | Doesn't mean you shouldn't be running a firewall on the host anyway. |
| 20:48.32 | Wulf | Ankman: what you should really have, at least on servers, is a firewall blocking *outgoing* traffic. |
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| 20:51.37 | Ankman | have no package filter since decades and no problem with it |
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| 20:51.43 | livebrain | hi ppl, i want to rip to mp3 some audio cds, can you guys give me the name of a good program ? with the hability to name the tracks accordingly to the authorname ? cddba ? |
| 20:51.54 | greycat | I use abcde. |
| 20:51.55 | whislock | Ankman: Then you've been doing it wrong for decades. Don't know what else to tell you. |
| 20:52.26 | Ankman | whislock: i never had a problem. nothing i'm doing wrong |
| 20:52.33 | Ankman | livebrain: brassero |
| 20:53.15 | annadane | insert obvious Genesis joe |
| 20:53.17 | annadane | joke |
| 20:53.35 | Wulf | livebrain: mp3 is quite outdated. Can you use more recent formats? |
| 20:54.09 | greycat | It may still be the best pick for some hardware players. |
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| 20:54.17 | livebrain | isnt mp3 the most used format outhere ? |
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| 20:54.22 | greycat | Totally dpends on what you plan to do with the files. |
| 20:54.23 | Ankman | Wulf: if his files are mp3 he should not recode them to m4a or something because he'll lose quality |
| 20:54.44 | greycat | Ankman: they literally just said they're ripping audio CDs |
| 20:54.47 | livebrain | im doing it for a DJ friend that he wants to convert some of his cds to mp3 to use in some dj tool thingy |
| 20:54.59 | Ankman | oh ripping, okay |
| 20:55.08 | Ankman | then use m4a or ogg |
| 20:55.15 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 20:55.35 | greycat | Good job not listening to anything they're saying. |
| 20:55.37 | Wulf | livebrain: ask your DJ friend which format and settings he prefers. |
| 20:56.05 | somiaj | livebrain: I would double check wht format's their 'dj tool thingy' supports. I know some djs won't want mp3s, because of quality (they prefer losses codecs like flac) |
| 20:56.16 | wasamasa | Yeah, DJs like to work with lossless formats |
| 20:56.36 | somiaj | livebrain: but if they want mp3, then I would make them into mp3, not some other format you think is better. Though might be worth investigating what format is the standard to use. |
| 20:56.52 | livebrain | i will ask him, thanks for the info guys |
| 20:56.58 | wasamasa | Some software like serrato doesn't accept anything else |
| 20:57.07 | Wulf | livebrain: lossless ripping can be done with cdparanoia, but I think that tool isn't too good with meta data |
| 20:57.30 | greycat | usually you use a wrapper around cdparanoia, that does the metadata lookups |
| 20:57.33 | wasamasa | I like using beets for tagging |
| 20:57.54 | Ankman | you can use apps like easytag to edit meta data after ripping |
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| 20:58.36 | somiaj | I didn't think CDs have metadata, but some lookup wrapper is needed. |
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| 20:59.51 | greycat | A straight "red book" CD does not have any metadata on it. CDDB applications make a hash out of the number and duration of the tracks, and then index the CDDB database by that hash. But some of the newer CDs have metadata. I don't know the details, but I've seen at least two different styles. |
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| 21:01.35 | Ankman | when i was ripping CDs back in the day (hooray bladeencode ;-) into mp3 i used mp3tag to add an id2 header. not recommended today as better tools should be available |
| 21:02.31 | somiaj | Ankman: and as greycat mentioned, the app used CDDB to look up info about the album to add the meta data. I wrote a script for this too. I was just surprised that newer CDs actually come with meta data (for some reason I thought the original format didn't allow this) |
| 21:02.50 | ratrace | https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/804254/71240d6b83844653/ |
| 21:02.54 | Ankman | ok |
| 21:02.56 | ratrace | Oops, meant that for -offtopic |
| 21:02.57 | greycat | I've been using abcde for a long time. The CDDB stuff has changed, after the original CDDB folks absconded with the user-supplied data and made it proprietary. |
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| 21:03.08 | teclo- | greycat: yep, you were right :) ... run-parts didn't like that the script had ".sh" at the end of the file name |
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| 21:03.54 | greycat | somiaj: my car's player shows CD metadata on an LCD screen |
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| 21:04.45 | greycat | The car's screen has three fields for Album, Title, Artist. Some CDs put values in all 3 fields. Some merge the title and artist into one field. |
| 21:04.47 | Wulf | teclo-: you shouldn't add extensions to script anyway. Just make them executable. |
| 21:05.03 | Wulf | teclo-: the language a script is programmed in is stated in the shebang. |
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| 21:06.38 | Ankman | lo fleaz and yvan |
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| 21:17.37 | teclo- | Wulf: I know, I know... extensions are for DOS and W*ndows |
| 21:19.12 | ratrace | wut |
| 21:19.25 | annadane | language, please |
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| 21:21.43 | revolutionary | hi all. i have a WIFI problem on Buster. I was using pci card and removed that. Now i plugged external wifi usb adapter. I can see the WIFI names but i can't connect. It stuck at "configuring interface" step. I found a temp solution. edited /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf and added [device] wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=0 but this time it is taking random MAC addresses but i don't want to this because i am using MAC address |
| 21:21.43 | revolutionary | filtering |
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| 21:25.30 | Ankman | revolutionary: try to change wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=0 to wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=1 |
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| 23:28.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys im trying to setup a https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/PCE-AC55BT/HelpDesk_Download/ in debian buster.. |
| 23:28.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | i think it runs the bluetooth over usb port? |
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| 23:37.34 | allizom | Eryn_1983_FL: That's a PCIe card, which happens to be an adapter for mPCIe cards. It seems to come bundled with an Intel-based wireless card, which requires a non-free firmware |
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| 23:46.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok.... |
| 23:46.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | so non-free but still works right? |
| 23:47.12 | allizom | yes |
| 23:47.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | soooo |
| 23:48.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | how do i stream some audio over it |
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| 23:49.59 | allizom | Once your system has the correct firmware and driver, you should be able to use, e.g. bluetooth headsets as an audio device |
| 23:50.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | well i dropped the firmware into /lib/firmware |
| 23:50.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | should i be able to see them with lspci if its working properly |
| 23:51.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://ix.io/21A1 |
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| 23:51.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://ix.io/21A2 |
| 23:52.33 | allizom | should be this one: 8087:0025 Intel Corp. |
| 23:52.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 23:54.19 | allizom | I don't know how you are managing audio and bluetooth, in any case you should connect the headset and use it as, say, an audio output |
| 23:55.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | i guess what i am not understanding |
| 23:55.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | is how do i get it to connect to anything? |
| 23:55.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | my desktop is not finding it in the bluetoothctl command or blueman |
| 23:57.24 | allizom | please show lsusb -t |
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| 23:59.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 23:59.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 8087:0025 Intel Corp. |
| 23:59.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 8087:0025 Intel Corp. |
| 23:59.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://ix.io/21A6 |
