| 00:02.58 | allizom | ok, the driver is loaded. I have never used bluetoothctl, but according to https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser#Pairing_using_CLI you should issue "power on" into it |
| 00:03.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 00:04.21 | allizom | or you could use the GUI tool from your desktop |
| 00:04.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | [bluetooth]# power on |
| 00:04.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | No default controller available |
| 00:04.56 | Miles8of9 | i see "bind9" running on a server which is used only to run web sites..... can i disable it safely? |
| 00:05.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | bind9 is dns service |
| 00:05.14 | Miles8of9 | yes |
| 00:05.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | domain resolving, |
| 00:05.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | probablly? |
| 00:05.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | service stop bind9 |
| 00:06.05 | Miles8of9 | domain name server... do i really need it on a machine that is not used as name server for a domain...? |
| 00:06.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | nope |
| 00:06.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | apt remove bind9 if you are sure.. |
| 00:06.25 | apt | okay, Eryn_1983_FL |
| 00:06.54 | Miles8of9 | lol ok... i'll disable its start at boot... more than enough |
| 00:07.42 | allizom | Eryn_1983_FL: this may just be a case of you having installed the firmware after plugging the card in - since this is a PCIe card the simplest way to check would be rebooting the system |
| 00:07.43 | Miles8of9 | it's also running postfix... and it's not a mail server... |
| 00:07.51 | Miles8of9 | omg these guys... -_- |
| 00:08.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | i tried rebooth |
| 00:08.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | rebooting allizom |
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| 00:10.38 | Miles8of9 | systemctl disable bind9 ? |
| 00:11.52 | Miles8of9 | y |
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| 00:18.08 | Miles8of9 | i see a pure-ftpd task (should be plain old ftp server) but i can't stop it.. why? |
| 00:19.21 | Miles8of9 | in ancient old times ftp server was started on request by inetd daemon.... i see inetd still around... is it the case? |
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| 00:22.14 | ksk | service $name-of-service stop is the thing for a decade now ;) |
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| 00:23.27 | Miles8of9 | it says it's not loaded! |
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| 00:41.13 | Miles8of9 | one more unuseful server! "dovecot" |
| 00:41.20 | Miles8of9 | wtf guys..!! |
| 00:41.32 | ksk | Miles8of9: ehm, what are you trying to do in the first place? |
| 00:41.45 | ksk | if you have a debian installation with many services you do not know, why do you have it in the first place? |
| 00:42.32 | Miles8of9 | it's a server machine... they use it to run web sites... so basically i need apache mariadb mysql... |
| 00:43.11 | dvs | Miles8of9, I guess you're not going to send/receive mail with that server. |
| 00:43.18 | Miles8of9 | right! |
| 00:43.49 | Miles8of9 | disabled and stopped postfix, bind9, pure-ftp, dovecot |
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| 00:59.19 | karlpinc | Miles8of9: You almost always want to send mail from a server, so it can mail you when things go wrong. Cron comes to mind but there are other cases as well. |
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| 00:59.58 | karlpinc | Miles8of9: It might also make sense to run a local caching nameserver, although bind is overkill. |
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| 01:00.53 | Miles8of9 | postfix log was full of connections from everywhere... -_- |
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| 01:02.01 | ksk | which is kind of normal.. |
| 01:02.02 | karlpinc | Miles8of9: You probably don't want it to be able to receive mail, but sometimes you have to because otherwise you're considered a spammer. Ideally you have it send mail to a central MTA for further delivery. |
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| 01:07.06 | karlpinc | Miles8of9: (The smart way for your web pages to send mail is via an MTA on the box running the webserver -- if your pages send emails.) |
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| 01:36.31 | kitsune | How is gaming on debian? Do most large e-sports titles like csgo have good support? |
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| 01:58.49 | ksk | kitsune: not supported by debian at all. But I can tell you: works like a charm. |
| 01:59.39 | kitsune | ksk: install and go or does it require significant configuration? |
| 01:59.46 | ksk | all the valve titles (csgo, dota2) do work natively on linux. |
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| 02:00.06 | ksk | if you have working 3d acceleration, you kind of just need to install steam, and use it like on windows. |
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| 02:05.59 | ksk | kitsune: for non linux/valve/steam games maybe take a look at "lutris" - I found it nice |
| 02:06.25 | ksk | it kind of bundles predefined wine-versions, adds the needed libs, and installes a game - kind of like steam does. |
| 02:06.30 | sponix | PlayOnLinux does some things okay |
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| 02:07.33 | ksk | yeah, thats also common I think. not sure where the differences are though. |
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| 02:11.02 | sponix | ksk: Yeah, think I'll use PlayOnLinux to run IE7 !! |
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| 02:12.21 | ksk | sponix: eh, great!? |
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| 02:16.35 | williamfgc-guest | hi all, what's the best way to look for sponsorship? |
| 02:16.55 | williamfgc-guest | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.50 | ksk | !sponsorship |
| 02:18.01 | ksk | mhhm. |
| 02:18.19 | williamfgc-guest | I meant mentorship, sorry for the mix up |
| 02:18.26 | ksk | !sponsor |
| 02:18.27 | dpkg | methinks sponsor is a DD that uploads a package prepared by a maintainer that is not (yet) a DD, therefore trusting, verifying (hopefully) and accepting responsibility for the maintainer's work. See http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/new-maintainer#mentors |
| 02:18.45 | ksk | take a look at that link :) |
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| 02:19.10 | ksk | I think the correct debian term is sponsoring, so nevermind :) |
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| 02:21.16 | williamfgc-guest | no problem. Yes, I tried multiple emails to debian-mentors, debian-science, debian-science-maintainers |
| 02:21.42 | williamfgc-guest | I have an account on salsa, created a project, but can't kickstart |
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| 02:21.58 | ksk | if there is no response, I cannot help. sorry. |
| 02:22.25 | ksk | Its 0320am in europe right now, you might want to ask that question again when more people are here, someone might know what to do |
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| 02:23.08 | williamfgc-guest | Thanks @ksk that's the kind of guidance I am looking for, seems emails get lost |
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| 02:24.26 | ksk | is your addy by chance something like "mail@example.com"? :D |
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| 02:24.40 | ksk | debian is so freaking 1970, you cannot use that to send mails to the BTS, not sure about lists.. |
| 02:24.56 | williamfgc-guest | :) |
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| 02:25.26 | galaxie_ | Hi, I've been researching and researching and I can't find how to easily make some sort of secure, disposable encrypted filesystem. The best I've got was cryptmount-setup but to regenerate the key requires sudo and I'd prefer a userspace option. |
| 02:25.28 | williamfgc-guest | salsa would be great if issues were available on the different groups |
| 02:25.33 | ksk | (and other reserved words, that match "Procmail rc"-something - cannot remember it right now..) |
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| 02:26.24 | ksk | galaxie_: just because sudo is invoked, you do not always leave userspace. Userspace is in contrast to kernel. |
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| 02:27.11 | galaxie_ | ksk: OK. Rootless option then. At least for anything except a one-time setup. That would be preferable. |
| 02:28.02 | ksk | galaxie_: I dont know anything about what you ask, sorry. |
| 02:28.10 | ksk | but do you know, that you can allow certain (sub)commands only, via sudo? |
| 02:29.14 | galaxie_ | ksk: I'm familiar. I'd rather not have anything use root privileges, but that's certainly an idea. |
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| 02:50.15 | somiaj | galaxie_: in general mounting file systems is considered insecure so it is hard to do as a normal user (for instance if you set up a su binary as setuid root on the file system, that person could become root). I think fuse has some ways around this. |
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| 02:51.18 | somiaj | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/EncFS -- maybe something like that, an encrypted filesystem based on fuse |
| 02:51.46 | somiaj | from that wiki, "This has a number of advantages and disadvantages compared to these systems. Firstly, it does not require any root privileges to implement; " |
| 02:51.57 | boktan | hi i did install cpufreq after little use i removed it and installed cpupower but i think even after remove my cpu settings is not on default how to make my cpu frequence settings default which is on fresh install? |
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| 02:52.25 | ksk | I did read something about encfs being totally insecure some years ago, not sure if that is fixed. |
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| 02:54.13 | somiaj | seems there has been some updates since that audit, but yea, seems like the security issue is it doesn't follow some modern encryption practices, so may be easier to break the encryption. Maybe there are other options |
| 02:54.25 | boktan | please help me |
| 02:54.26 | somiaj | but unless you use something based on fuse, you'll have ot have root privlages to mount (afaik) |
| 02:55.09 | ksk | ++ |
| 02:55.52 | ryouma | i can't tell from the description whether cryptmount can create file-based filesystems. i suppose it could even if it can't, so to speak, if it uses loopback? |
| 02:56.05 | ryouma | i.e. i couldn't tell whether it can be used like encfs |
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| 02:56.33 | ryouma | approximately that is |
| 02:57.38 | ryouma | i'm just curious also whether anything is as considered-secure as cryptsetup. isn't that pretty much the only thing other than gnupg that is widely used? |
| 02:59.38 | somiaj | seems you can use encryptfs with a fuse files system, but not seeing many details |
| 02:59.58 | ksk | yeah, encfs also used fuse back in the day. |
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| 03:03.44 | somiaj | yea, I just found it looking for fuse based encyrpted file systems, so they could be mounted as a non-root user |
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| 03:10.10 | relipse | crap i updated with apt-get upgrade and now my apache is not working what do I do?? |
| 03:10.36 | cq1 | Hey folks. I'm trying to get iwlwifi-9000-*.ucode onto the bootable USB drive I'm using to install Debian, because I only have one bootable drive. However, the netinst image I flashed onto the drive made two partitions with no space in them. Does anyone have an easy recommendation to get the iwlwifi stuff onto the same drive? |
| 03:10.43 | karlpinc | relipse: What version of debian? |
| 03:10.53 | relipse | jessie |
| 03:11.27 | karlpinc | relipse: You read the release notes and they tell you what to do. |
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| 03:11.36 | relipse | where are they? |
| 03:12.00 | karlpinc | relipse: Don't forget to look at the apache error logs to see what lines of your configs have problems. |
| 03:12.42 | karlpinc | relipse: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes |
| 03:13.04 | karlpinc | relipse: Always good to read the release notes before doing a major upgrade. |
| 03:13.20 | relipse | i didn't think it was major |
| 03:13.33 | relipse | where are the apache error logs |
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| 03:13.58 | ksk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:14.10 | karlpinc | relipse: IIRC there are major apache changes upgrading to jessie. In any case, you want to look at the logs to see what the problems are. |
| 03:14.24 | relipse | but I was already on jessie before |
| 03:14.33 | ksk | then it would not have broken. |
| 03:15.12 | relipse | what do I do? |
| 03:15.16 | karlpinc | relipse: Maybe something strange is happening with long-term support for jessie. You could look at debian's changelog for the apache package. |
| 03:15.36 | karlpinc | relipse: I told you twice. Look at the error messages in the logs. |
| 03:15.41 | ksk | "is not working" is not a technical statement. check the logs, and look for the error.. |
| 03:15.55 | relipse | there is nothing in the error.log |
| 03:17.12 | karlpinc | relipse: Then you're probably not looking at the right log. It should be timestamped at least as recently as the last time you tried to start apache. |
| 03:17.19 | ksk | then you configured your instance of apache to use a different logfile. |
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| 03:20.21 | relipse | ok apache is up and running |
| 03:20.23 | relipse | i think mysql is too |
| 03:20.41 | somiaj | jessie is also using sytemd, so systemctl status apache should give you some of apache's output to help figure out why it is failing to run. |
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| 03:23.06 | relipse | Do you guys know how to setup mail? i'mt rying to get php's outgoing mail() feature to work and it just won't work |
| 03:23.38 | ksk | relipse: you will need an configured MTA for that to work. |
| 03:23.49 | relipse | what is MTA? |
| 03:23.58 | ksk | mail is not an easy topic. a mail tranfer agent, a thing that sends mail. |
| 03:24.12 | relipse | there is nothing like apt-get install mail ? |
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| 03:25.06 | ksk | if you want these mails to be not-spam-flagged by google etc, you will need to do way more than just installing an MTA |
| 03:25.25 | ksk | there is a reason shared web hosters exist ;) |
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| 03:33.24 | relipse | how do I set up an MtA |
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| 03:38.32 | ksk | relipse: its not a topic I would think fits in here - its too complex. |
| 03:38.44 | ksk | read up on how mailing does work. SMPT, IMAP. |
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| 07:29.42 | l9 | can anyone check something ? does killall -t tty actually work on a ssh connection ? |
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| 08:15.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got my headphones connected via bluetooth |
| 08:15.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | but i dont know how to switch my audio output to them? |
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| 08:45.07 | gladioacuto | hello |
| 08:45.49 | gladioacuto | I am trying to connect to a server via ssh in Debian Buster, but I get: /etc/ssh/ssh_config line 46: Bad SSH2 cipher spec 'aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,arcfour256,arcfour128,aes128-cbc,3des-cbc' |
| 08:46.05 | gladioacuto | how to solve? what's the problem? |
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| 08:48.05 | Wulf | gladioacuto: delete the line? :-) |
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| 08:49.00 | Wulf | gladioacuto: perhaps some ciphers are not supported anymore, like 3des |
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| 08:50.19 | gladioacuto | Wulf, commenting out the line solved. Thanks! |
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| 09:35.46 | Wulf | aHoo: not sure if you can, outside the installation. |
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| 09:38.58 | grisher | yeah you can't |
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| 09:41.59 | nehemiah-zb | Trying to use NFS4.2 mounts on network booting computers results in 'Lock reclaim failed' failed errors. |
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| 09:42.15 | nehemiah-zb | I wonder if this has to do with the client ID 'SETCLIENTID' which might be the same since the clients are booting from the same network block device. |
| 09:42.46 | nehemiah-zb | Is there a way set the client ID manually or is my assumption wrong all together? |
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| 11:21.25 | no_gravity | Is there an upside of using fallocate over dd to create an empty file with X gigabyte? |
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| 11:31.56 | ayekat | no_gravity: the first paragraph of fallocate(1) explains it :-) |
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| 11:36.48 | no_gravity | ayekat: Ok, so speed. |
| 11:37.42 | no_gravity | Does Linux still do the "access time dance" by default, where it writes to disk every time a file is accessed? |
| 11:37.49 | ayekat | yeah, but also effectively used space on the disk - it can e.g. create sparse files, which don't take X gigabytes on disk |
| 11:38.24 | ayekat | no_gravity: you mean atime - that's not Linux, but the filesystem |
| 11:38.32 | no_gravity | ayekat: Oh, I want an unsparsed file. Already created one now with dd. |
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| 11:39.11 | no_gravity | ayekat: So ext4 does atime by default? For a very slow device, would a different filesystem be better then? |
| 11:39.12 | ayekat | no_gravity: I'm sure fallocate can create non-sparse files as well |
| 11:39.28 | ayekat | no_gravity: you can mount ext4 with the 'noatime' option, so it won't do that |
| 11:39.48 | ayekat | there is a better option that is a bit less extreme there, though - lemme check |
| 11:40.03 | trewas | no_gravity: I think relatime has been default for a looong time, it updates the access time only occasionally |
| 11:40.44 | ayekat | no_gravity: ah, there is `relatime` |
| 11:40.57 | no_gravity | Does it work like this? mount -o noatime /dev/device /mount/point |
| 11:41.11 | ayekat | yes, that would work |
| 11:42.14 | no_gravity | So ext4 with noatime is a good solution for a very slow device? |
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| 11:44.07 | ayekat | it prevents storing access times on disk - but I can't tell whether it's sufficient or significant |
| 11:44.31 | ayekat | honestly, I would recommend relatime over noatime |
| 11:44.55 | no_gravity | ayekat: Why relatime? |
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| 11:46.04 | ayekat | no_gravity: see mount(8) - essentially it only updates access times if the current access time is earlier than the last modify/change time |
| 11:46.16 | ayekat | it helps not breaking applications like mutt that care about atime |
| 11:46.50 | no_gravity | I see. |
| 11:47.01 | ayekat | if you know you haven't got any processes that care about atime, then noatime is fine as well, though |
| 11:47.02 | no_gravity | I read that ext4 by default only uses 95% of the device. |
| 11:48.07 | EdePopede | no_gravity: mkfs -m $percentvalue |
| 11:48.07 | ayekat | I believe that's just for non-root processes - the idea is to prevent user processes from filling up a disk and crashing system processes |
| 11:48.13 | no_gravity | EdePopede: Yeah |
| 11:48.21 | ayekat | but you can change that with e.g. tune2fs |
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| 11:48.31 | no_gravity | I also read that it uses those 5% for defragmentation purposes or so. |
| 11:48.33 | EdePopede | started to use -m 1 for today's hugh disks, still enough |
| 11:48.36 | no_gravity | So I will keep it. |
| 11:48.40 | ayekat | (e.g. for data filesystems, it's not that important) |
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| 11:51.44 | EdePopede | !defrag |
| 11:51.44 | dpkg | somebody said defrag was generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html or a respawn in a multiplayer game, or tip: fragmentation is low until you start using the default reserved-blocks-percentage space |
| 11:51.52 | EdePopede | update needed ---^ the domain is gone |
| 11:52.34 | EdePopede | there's e2defrag, didn't is it for years, if ever. and read about something called shake? |
| 11:52.57 | EdePopede | % s/is/use/ |
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| 12:00.56 | Akuw | i have a hardware whcih i dont know IP address, how can i to know it? i tried using nmap but i have to use 1.1.1.1 to guess all possible IPs and that will take a lot of time |
| 12:01.49 | ayekat | Akuw: I'd use wireshark and see if it sends any ARP requests or something |
| 12:01.59 | rozie | first, it's probably in private range |
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| 12:02.20 | ayekat | also yeah, no need to scan the entire IPv4 address range ^^ |
| 12:02.24 | rozie | second, fping + arp will show you IPs |
| 12:02.25 | Akuw | well some use 10.68.x.x |
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| 12:02.55 | rozie | fping -g 10.68.0.0/16 && arp -n | grep -v incomplete |
| 12:03.20 | Akuw | ok let me test |
| 12:03.35 | Akuw | i have to disconnect because i have to be in same network |
| 12:03.51 | Akuw | i mean, 10.68... |
| 12:04.01 | Akuw | or can i be in any? |
| 12:04.01 | rozie | you don't need to disconnect... |
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| 12:04.29 | rozie | and yes, you need to be in the same network to see this address in arp |
| 12:04.33 | ayekat | if it auto-sets an IP, it might also set one in the 169.254.0.0/16 range if it's well-behaved |
| 12:05.13 | ayekat | (unless it's a device that was previously statically configured by someone else who you can't contact anymore) |
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| 12:07.43 | ayekat | Akuw: where does that device come from? |
| 12:08.18 | ayekat | is it possible that it just gets its IP address via DHCP? |
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| 12:15.30 | RoyK | AgTh: 169.254/16 is an address set automatically if the system can't get an address from a dhcp server |
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| 12:17.57 | funabashi | Hi how can change owner of all files in /var/lib/test ? |
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| 12:18.42 | tarzeau | funabashi: with chown -R in that directory? (i guess including sub directories?) |
| 12:18.43 | ayekat | funabashi: search for `recursive` in chown(1) |
| 12:20.06 | boktan | hi please help me to fix this: iTCO_wdt iTCO_wdt: can't request region for resource [mem 0x00c5fffc-0x00c5ffff] i found this on internet: https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-watchdog/msg16233.html and this is my proc/iomem: https://www.heypasteit.com/clip/0ITYGA i dont know how to fix this :S |
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| 12:21.13 | RoyK | chown -R user /some/path |
| 12:21.42 | RoyK | better uses full path when doing something like that recurively in case you trip and press up arrow and repeat somewhere else |
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| 12:25.47 | boktan | please help me |
| 12:28.41 | RoyK | !patience |
| 12:28.41 | dpkg | The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
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| 13:13.43 | pragomer | hi. this question is about keyboard inputs. I have a kvm-switch ("TESmart"), and using it the function keys of my keyboard, most important: volume controls, dont work. I have to set custom shortcuts for it, but this is not very convenient |
| 13:14.31 | pragomer | is there a way to detect what input info happens when I press the volume key and to somehow create a link to another keyboard shortcut? so that I can use these volume keys |
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| 13:18.42 | Iridos | don't get the exact setup… on a graphical interface, there is xev |
| 13:19.27 | pragomer | ah yes, thats what I dit not remember: xev... gonna have a look at it. |
| 13:19.31 | pragomer | thank you very much so far :-) |
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| 13:22.11 | ocx32 | hello community, i have a linux machine and mounted a share as follow: cifs username=u...,password=H...,iocharset=utf8,uid=root,gid=root 0 0 for some reason it mounts correctly, i can write to it as root but i cannot do a chown on it why?i get a permission denied even when i am root |
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| 13:27.39 | JyZyXEL | ocx32: well what did you expect with uid=root,gid=root :P |
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| 14:15.47 | darsie | I'm trying to make a .desktop file for an application startup script, but it doesn't work. Launches fine from the shell. http://paste.debian.net/1116041/ |
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| 14:16.34 | p53ud0nym | ,v libperl5.30 |
| 14:16.36 | judd | Package: libperl5.30 on amd64 -- bullseye: 5.30.0-9; sid: 5.30.0-9; experimental: 5.30.1~rc1-1 |
| 14:16.45 | p53ud0nym | ,v libperl5.30-dbgsym |
| 14:16.46 | judd | No package named 'libperl5.30-dbgsym' was found in amd64. |
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| 14:16.53 | p53ud0nym | Why? |
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| 14:17.14 | greycat | might be better to ask in the testing/unstable support channel |
| 14:17.28 | p53ud0nym | `[77472.675449] nginx[3786]: segfault at 10 ip 00007f75215548d3 sp 00007ffcc91b3ef0 error 4 in libperl.so.5.30.0[7f75214ea000+167000]` |
| 14:18.21 | p53ud0nym | `[77472.675458] Code: 48 83 c4 18 5b 5d 41 5c 41 5d 41 5e 41 5f c3 0f 1f 84 00 00 00 00 00 0f b6 7f 30 48 c1 e8 03 48 29 f8 48 89 c3 74 85 48 8b 02 <4c> 8b 68 10 4d 85 ed 0f 84 28 01 00 00 0f b6 40 30 49 c1 ed 03 49` |
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| 14:19.28 | darsie | The script starts, but the application doesn't. |
| 14:19.58 | greycat | there's a script? ok, well then, you can do shell redirections and so on. get some log files, and read them |
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| 14:27.20 | webstrand | Is there a way to restrict a mirror in sources.list to only fetch certain packages? I only want a few packages from "http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid" |
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| 14:28.02 | webstrand | Looks like I want to configure /etc/apt/preferences.d |
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| 14:29.19 | greycat | !don't break debian |
| 14:29.19 | dpkg | dont break debian is, like, https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 14:29.23 | greycat | webstrand: ^ |
| 14:29.57 | annadane | !ssb |
| 14:29.57 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 14:33.14 | darsie | Got it. The script was loading a .jar file with a relative path, but cwd wasn't at the scripts location. Adding "cd /usr/local/bin/mocca-1.4.1" helped. Can I set the cwd in the .desktop file? |
| 14:33.22 | annadane | also, it depends on the package, often you can achieve what you want with packages from Stable |
| 14:33.56 | greycat | It would make more sense to put it in the script, if the script can't function without it. |
| 14:34.29 | darsie | But this way the script only works in this absolute location. Would be nice if it could be moved and still work. |
| 14:35.11 | darsie | I guess I could extract cwd from the command path. |
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| 14:39.51 | greycat | if this were #bash I would just !faq location and then probably /ignore you, because based on YEARS of experience with people asking this stuff in #bash, nobody EVER listens |
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| 14:40.59 | Rabalidad | hi, I want to updrage my nvidia driver from nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver to the default "nvidia-driver", what is the way to go? |
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| 14:41.17 | ratrace | apt remove followed by apt install |
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| 14:41.38 | ratrace | and a reboot 'fcourse |
| 14:41.39 | funabashi | Hi guys anyone know any good command for search for uncrypted password within my linux system well known firewall? |
| 14:42.03 | Rabalidad | apt remove of what, of the legacy driver package only? |
| 14:42.21 | Rabalidad | and can I do it from X or should I do it with X closed? |
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| 14:42.55 | ratrace | Rabalidad: yes and there will probably be auto packages to remove as well, but iirc installing new nvidia would just force those uninstalled and replace with newer |
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| 14:43.32 | ratrace | Rabalidad: I suppose you can do that from X, because all the modules X is using are loaded in memory. |
| 14:43.42 | ratrace | you can always reboot to console mode and do it from there if you're concerned |
| 14:44.21 | Rabalidad | should I do "apt remove --purge *nvidia*" or just remove of the legacy driver package? |
| 14:46.08 | ratrace | Rabalidad: I didn't have to last time I switched drivers. There's no config files involved or anything like that and if you did create xorg.conf, I don't think the package would purge that |
| 14:47.32 | Rabalidad | so "apt install nvidia-driver" would not suffice? I need to first remove the current one? |
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| 14:48.51 | debian | hi |
| 14:48.55 | Rabalidad | hi |
| 14:48.58 | debian | i got this USB adaptor dz1607 |
| 14:49.02 | debian | for wifi |
| 14:49.09 | Guest61008 | how can i get it to work? |
| 14:49.36 | Guest61008 | https://www.amazon.co.uk/DIZA100-Adapter-1200Mbps-Wireless-Network/dp/B07RLPNDT1 |
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| 14:50.13 | greycat | Run "lsusb" to see what the actual device is. That may inform you about what firmware/drivers are required. If not, you can post the relevant device line here, and someone else may know. |
| 14:50.25 | Guest61008 | Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0bda:0811 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. |
| 14:50.28 | Guest61008 | lsusb shows this |
| 14:50.37 | Guest61008 | on amazon it says: the adapter uses realtek rtl8811a/rtl8821a usb software package (linux kernel 2.6.18~3.16.0).linux driver version v4.3.14_13455.20150212 |
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| 14:51.01 | B|ack0p | is it ok to install debian 10 on 2004 model old laptop? |
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| 14:52.17 | webstrand | annadane, greycat: I see what you mean, openssl-1.1.1 on stretch pulls a new libc, which would doubtless break lots of packages |
| 14:52.40 | annadane | oh god you're trying to install sid packages on oldstable? |
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| 14:52.57 | webstrand | not anymore, i'm not |
| 14:53.08 | webstrand | now I'm looking for a statically linked openssl binary |
| 14:53.08 | annadane | i'd really start with the question "why do i think i need this new version of a package?" |
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| 14:53.19 | Guest61008 | i have firmware-realtek already |
| 14:54.22 | webstrand | openssl 1.1.1 added the -addext option which I need |
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| 14:57.51 | Guest61008 | im trying r8168-dkms now |
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| 15:01.14 | Rabalidad | so it seems it installed the 418.74 driver version of nvidia, but still I see I have a lot of the old legacy lib packages installed |
| 15:01.43 | Rabalidad | how can I know what driver version is in use? from the kernel module name does not show any version number |
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| 15:04.04 | ksk | Rabalidad: there is a tool "nvidia-smi" - take a look at that. |
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| 15:10.08 | Guest23059 | when I plug in the device I see this is dmesg https://paste.debian.net/1116056/ |
| 15:10.26 | Guest23059 | but no wireless interface comes up in ip link |
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| 15:18.34 | debian_ | https://github.com/gnab/rtl8812au https://github.com/abperiasamy/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux will I need to do one of these? |
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| 15:19.32 | darsie | greycat: Are you sure people don't listen or it's just new people encountering the same problem? |
| 15:20.00 | Rabalidad | @ksk thx |
| 15:20.10 | darsie | thx, anyways. |
| 15:20.15 | ratrace | !@ |
| 15:20.15 | dpkg | @ is used to separate the username from the hostname in an email address, to denote channel operators on IRC, and to direct comments to particular users in some web forums. It is NOT used to direct comments on IRC; use "name: ..." instead of "@name ...". |
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| 15:20.55 | greycat | darsie: It goes like this. "I have a script that reads some files, but I don't want to install this thing in a static place. I want the script to figure out where it sits on the disk, and then look for the files there." "!faq location" "Just tell me how to do it, I won't read the FAQ, I won't believe anything you tell me." "It can't be done." "You're lying" "*plonk*" |
| 15:21.01 | greycat | darsie: EVERY single time. |
| 15:21.24 | darsie | ic |
| 15:21.26 | greycat | Nobody wants to hear the truth. |
| 15:21.47 | greycat | The FAQ page in question is https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/028 |
| 15:21.49 | darsie | Well, I read the faq and didn't like the 'solutions' and left my script static. |
| 15:22.09 | darsie | yeah, that. |
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| 15:27.48 | simplicius | Hello |
| 15:27.54 | simplicius | with pkg-config --list-all | grep gtksourceview I don't get any result |
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| 15:30.07 | darsie | I'm moving stuff to /usr/local/bin as root, so hackers can't modify commands I own if they get in via my web browser, IRC client, malware I ran or even local attackers. Won't help much, right? They could just change my path variable and put some directory with malware before usr/local/bin or start a key logger. |
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| 15:30.48 | greycat | whaaat |
| 15:30.49 | lupulo | @darsie but they could find it with the path |
| 15:31.07 | webstrand | darsie: yep, you'd need to containerize your browser if you want protection from those kinds of attacks |
| 15:31.12 | greycat | "They could just change my path variable" ...???! |
| 15:31.29 | lupulo | darsie, you could use chroot or something |
| 15:31.43 | darsie | greycat: By changing my bash startup scripts. |
| 15:31.51 | ratrace | dispenses a fresh set of facepalms around the channel |
| 15:32.01 | greycat | Thank you, ratrace. I think I need a few. |
| 15:32.53 | ksk | and containerizing your browser will really help you, if you enable it to have access to a GPU and soundcard (not..) |
| 15:33.11 | ratrace | oh I know this. sarcasm, right? :) |
| 15:33.15 | webstrand | darsie: Unless you're someone important, the chance of that happening to you is extremely remote. And if you consider that a realistic probability, you're better off air-gapped |
| 15:33.39 | greycat | ratrace: I stopped being able to tell sarcasm from trolling from plain lunacy a long time ago |
| 15:33.46 | darsie | Well, we're always told not to irc as root ... |
| 15:33.47 | ratrace | if that's a realistic probability, they'll just come to your house with a $15 wrench |
| 15:33.52 | greycat | I suspect this one is lunacy, but ... can't be sure. |
| 15:34.21 | annadane | *plonk* |
| 15:34.23 | ratrace | yeah that line has blurred a lot |
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| 15:35.30 | ratrace | jokes aside, a few years ago there was some kind of malware campaign aimed at linux sysadmins and theft of their ssh keys. I don't know the vectors, was it browser exploits or trojans, but it did cause some mess. |
| 15:35.36 | riezaizu | What is the correct location to put libwidevinecdm.so for chromium to work? |
| 15:35.59 | ratrace | since then I apparmor my browsers to block access to any file in my ~/ other than what's minimally needed for it to run |
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| 15:37.23 | debian_ | hi |
| 15:37.39 | lupulo | darsie, why don't you use clamav or something? |
| 15:37.43 | debian_ | https://www.erol.name/compile-realtek-rtl8812au8821au-usb-wifi-driver-debian-jessie/ |
| 15:37.46 | debian_ | I followed this |
| 15:37.56 | debian_ | I got the driver installed with dkms and i can see wifi access points |
| 15:38.08 | debian_ | but when I try to connect to mine it just keeps asking me for the password, it never connects |
| 15:38.12 | debian_ | is there any way to fix that? |
| 15:38.25 | ratrace | lupulo: no, that wouldn't help one tiny bit |
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| 15:38.38 | darsie | lupine: I rely on using linux. |
| 15:38.49 | lupulo | darsie, https://www.clamav.net/documents/safebrowsing |
| 15:38.56 | ratrace | linux is very exploitable btw. |
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| 15:44.41 | debian_ | please help me out |
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| 15:46.14 | ratrace | debian_: what are you using to connect to wifi? |
| 15:46.15 | jelly | debian_: which debian release are you using? |
| 15:46.35 | webstrand | debian_: Is there anything in `dmesg | grep -i firmware` that would indicate you're missing firmware for your wifi? |
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| 15:48.07 | debian_ | I got this device https://www.amazon.co.uk/DIZA100-Adapter-1200Mbps-Wireless-Network/dp/B07RLPNDT1 |
| 15:48.18 | debian_ | 802.11ac USB wifi adaptor |
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| 15:48.40 | debian_ | lsb_release -a says version 10 buster |
| 15:49.19 | debian_ | dmesg | grep -i firmware doesn't indicate missing firmware, I used dkms to install firmware from source which made the LED on the device light up and access points show up in network manager |
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| 15:54.41 | simplicius | here: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=buster&arch=any&mode=filename&searchon=contents&keywords=gtksourceview |
| 15:54.53 | simplicius | I don't find the dev package for version 4 |
| 15:55.39 | greycat | I just did "apt-cache search gtksourceview" and among other things, it gives me libgtksourceview-4-dev - development files for the GTK+ syntax highlighting widget |
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| 15:56.06 | simplicius | greycat, why is not present on that site? |
| 15:56.25 | greycat | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libgtksourceview-4-dev |
| 15:56.30 | greycat | https://packages.debian.org/buster/libgtksourceview-4-dev |
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| 15:57.00 | debian_ | which wireless dongles work with debian? |
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| 15:57.19 | simplicius | You have searched for paths that end with libgtksourceview-4-dev in suite buster, all sections, and all architectures. |
| 15:57.20 | simplicius | Sorry, your search gave no results |
| 15:57.37 | greycat | That is NOT the result I get. |
| 15:57.45 | simplicius | yes but why? |
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| 16:03.36 | Lyberta | hi, I'm trying to make keyboard backlight writable to "plugdev" group, I've written a rules like this but it doesn't work: KERNEL=="g15::kbd_backlight", SUBSYSTEM=="leds", ACTION=="add", GROUP="plugdev", MODE="0660" |
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| 16:08.16 | debian_ | any suggestions? |
| 16:09.09 | annadane | https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi#Devices_that_might_work |
| 16:09.11 | annadane | i guess |
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| 16:11.10 | debian_ | thanks |
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| 16:11.25 | debian_ | frustrating that i cant get the device to work |
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| 16:13.54 | annadane | i guess you can plug it in and then follow what dmesg says? |
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| 16:14.31 | wuseman | debian_: what device you can't get working? I just joined |
| 16:14.55 | simplicius | I think I've remove gtksourceview-3 instead of gtksourceview-3-dev |
| 16:15.02 | simplicius | now I don't have mousepad anymore |
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| 16:16.31 | simplicius | it requires libgtksourceview-3.0-1 not 4.. |
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| 16:17.59 | greycat | so... put it back? |
| 16:18.41 | simplicius | ok so I cannot install gtksourceview-4 instead of 3, isn't it? |
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| 16:20.38 | greycat | I have absolutely no idea what you're even asking any more. At first you were talking about -dev packages. Now you're not. |
| 16:20.55 | greycat | First you wanted 4, then you wanted 3. |
| 16:21.33 | simplicius | if I do apt-get install mousepad it installs version 3 |
| 16:21.48 | greycat | of the NON-dev package, right? |
| 16:21.54 | greycat | ,depends mousepad |
| 16:21.55 | judd | Package mousepad in buster/amd64 -- depends: dconf-gsettings-backend | gsettings-backend, libc6 (>= 2.4), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.41.1), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.16.2), libgtksourceview-3.0-1 (>= 2.91.4), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0). |
| 16:22.04 | greycat | libgtksourceview-3.0-1 without a -dev |
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| 16:34.32 | revolutionary | is there any way to disable lid close hibernation on Buster? |
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| 16:40.57 | rany | revolutionary, see this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/52645 |
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| 16:42.50 | revolutionary | rany let me try |
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| 17:03.41 | tharkun | Good $DAY to everyone. There is a diff tool that will spot the difference in a line down to the character that is different. Anyone knows about it? If not what would be my search string for google. My spanish attemps are just not working and the correct English terms are to say the least too vague to render useful results. |
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| 17:09.05 | themill | tharkun: word diff is common enough. I think vimdiff can highlight the differences at the character level. kdiff3 certainly can, highlighting the entire line that is different in a light colour and then the specific characters that are different more strongly |
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| 17:18.13 | tharkun | themill: Holder of the Queen's English. Thanks for the reply. |
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| 17:25.06 | jelly | debian_: what's the usb id for that device? |
| 17:25.36 | greycat | 09:50 Guest61008> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0bda:0811 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. |
| 17:25.41 | jelly | debian_: you can find it in output of the "lsusb" command, just the line for your misbehaving wifi stick |
| 17:25.42 | greycat | I think that was the same person. |
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| 17:28.39 | jelly | eh, no driver in debian's 4.19 |
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| 17:38.08 | lionrouge | hi ! |
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| 17:39.01 | lionrouge | how to performance-tune modern Debian? I'm interested in IO throughput and latency (network, software RAID, SSD) |
| 17:39.28 | lionrouge | couldn't find good articles online and official wiki seems to ignore this topic |
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| 17:41.17 | whislock | lionrouge: Probably because such an endeavor is highly reliant on exactly what you're doing with the system. "Make it go faster" isn't specific enough. |
| 17:41.39 | jelly | also, throughput and latency ARE at odds with each other |
| 17:41.51 | lionrouge | jelly, I realize that |
| 17:41.51 | whislock | Bandwidth delay product. :) |
| 17:42.48 | jelly | find actual bottlenecks for your actual workload as you go |
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| 17:44.39 | jelly | because there's a spectrum of different things to look at, ioscheduler, various cache / dirty buffer values, various network values, various QoS |
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| 17:46.38 | lionrouge | whislock, it's a rack-mount machine with 2 Intel Xeons and several SSD drives which are organized in 2 RAID0 software raids (with mdadm). It receives 2 streams of data from a special hardware from 2 10Gb/s Ethernet interfaces (each stream is about 6-7 GB/s). I need to write those streams to corresponding SSD RAID0. I need enough throughput and about 20us latency |
| 17:47.11 | whislock | "enough" throughput and "20us latency" between what and what, why? |
| 17:47.32 | lionrouge | enough throughput to write 2x6Gb/s to 2 RAID0 |
| 17:47.47 | lionrouge | and 20us latency in each Ethernet |
| 17:47.48 | whislock | I'm not here to do the calculations and analysis for you. I'm simply indicating that you don't seem to comprehend the scale of what "performance tuning" actually means. |
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| 17:48.24 | lionrouge | I'm not trying to make you do calculations for me, just trying to be precise |
| 17:49.45 | rozie | according to network - take a look on pfring driver |
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| 17:50.18 | rozie | https://github.com/ntop/PF_RING |
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| 17:50.44 | whislock | lionrouge: IRC isn't really the place to get guidance on this sort of thing. This will rely on you developing sufficient understanding of the many concepts involved and employing that understanding yourself. |
| 17:50.56 | whislock | lionrouge: There's simply too much to be analyzed for it to work well over this medium. |
| 17:51.01 | lionrouge | rozie, I have already written a program in C using zero-copy and all that stuff and it works |
| 17:51.15 | whislock | rozie: There's a lot more here than just a network driver. |
| 17:51.17 | greycat | IRC can be useful for getting suggestions of stuff to read, tools to try, that sort of thing |
| 17:51.26 | lionrouge | whislock, maybe you could at least tell me what to read about the topic |
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| 17:52.18 | whislock | lionrouge: Already trying to find something not written to a poor-quality source. |
| 17:52.57 | lionrouge | the task is basically solved. The problem is that Linux scheduler uses ksoftirqd like crazy and I think I need to tune it a bit because the success of the process clearly depends on which CPU cores are used to process net irqs and other tasks |
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| 17:53.33 | B|ack0p | hi |
| 17:53.33 | rozie | take search for irq affinity |
| 17:53.51 | B|ack0p | i was installing deb10-32bit to my 2004 model thinkpad x40 |
| 17:53.57 | jelly | lionrouge: that means it's not solved :-) You might be able to hack it to do well enough by binding network drivers to some cpus and disk writers to other cpus |
| 17:54.16 | lionrouge | rozie, tried to play with ethtool -X <iface> weight <mask> but it's not stable at all and doesn't give predictable results |
| 17:54.20 | B|ack0p | in middle of installation screen backlight disabled and i could finish the installation with my phone's flashlight |
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| 17:54.32 | jelly | or you might need to switch to a userspace network stack if that's not good enough |
| 17:54.36 | lionrouge | cpuset doesn't help much, too |
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| 17:54.42 | B|ack0p | is it hardware issue or something about debian? |
| 17:54.46 | B|ack0p | firmware or driver? |
| 17:55.23 | lionrouge | jelly, how do I do that? |
| 17:55.28 | jelly | B|ack0p: intel gpu? some need quirks that might not be present in debian 10 driver |
| 17:55.41 | B|ack0p | jelly: yes |
| 17:55.52 | rozie | lionrouge: as I said, take a look on irq affinity. it's well described IIRC |
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| 17:56.01 | B|ack0p | i edited sources.list with non free |
| 17:56.05 | jelly | lionrouge: keywords that come to mind: DPDK |
| 17:56.15 | B|ack0p | i ran update && full-upgrade but nothing installed |
| 17:56.37 | greycat | 2004 intel video probably doesn't need firmware, but it doesn't hurt to check dmesg and be sure |
| 17:57.07 | B|ack0p | it was weird that in when i boot debian backlight screen goes off |
| 17:57.13 | lionrouge | jelly, I heard about it. Is it useful for MAC level (raw ethernet, no TCP, no IP)? |
| 17:57.14 | B|ack0p | in bios screen everything ok |
| 17:57.28 | jelly | lionrouge: I have no idea, sorry |
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| 17:57.59 | rozie | and there are options in network drivers too |
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| 17:58.27 | rozie | like separate rx tx irqs |
| 17:58.35 | jelly | I won't ask what kind of hw sends 7Gbps of raw packets because #debian and not ##networking |
| 17:58.37 | lionrouge | BTW, by default Debian doesn't have tuned-adm installed. Is there an alternative or it's in some other repo? |
| 17:58.57 | lionrouge | rozie, I do RX only |
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| 17:59.58 | lionrouge | B|ack0p, it looks like LED lamps failure - I have seen two such cases recently |
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| 18:00.23 | lionrouge | but if it recovers, idk. Maybe they overheat? Try to stay in BIOS for longer period |
| 18:01.14 | jelly | B|ack0p: does it go off in X or in console and does it switch back if you go from X to console and back? intel gpu? |
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| 18:01.47 | B|ack0p | well when i put in sleep mode and wake up it goes normal for a while |
| 18:01.54 | B|ack0p | then backlight goes off again |
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| 18:02.20 | jelly | B|ack0p: drivers for intel have quirks for different hardware. Maybe the driver in debian 10 is too old. Or too new, intel gpu devs make lots of regressions and don't care a lot about older hw |
| 18:03.29 | jelly | 2004 model thinkpad x40 # oh dear |
| 18:03.40 | jelly | that certainly counts as older hw |
| 18:05.04 | B|ack0p | sure it is old.. |
| 18:05.18 | B|ack0p | i got it few days ago |
| 18:05.23 | B|ack0p | no OS was installed |
| 18:05.31 | B|ack0p | i wanted to install linux |
| 18:05.34 | jelly | you could see if debian 9 or 8 works better, if you absolutely need graphics on it |
| 18:05.46 | jelly | but even those might be too new |
| 18:05.51 | B|ack0p | i need graphics i am not good at command line |
| 18:06.07 | B|ack0p | another issue i have 512mb flash stick |
| 18:06.15 | B|ack0p | i need small package |
| 18:06.35 | greycat | Avoid all the desktop environments, then. Stick with xorg + a window manager. |
| 18:07.08 | B|ack0p | actually i installed mint/xfce/lxde while installing debian but on login screen it didnt let me choose |
| 18:07.15 | jelly | B|ack0p: for a modern Linux wouldn't go older than sandybridge intel gpu (2011, i3-2xxx), in thinkpad years that'd be an X220 or T420 or T520 |
| 18:07.24 | B|ack0p | anyway this lcd backlight issue is #1 issue now |
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| 18:07.34 | jelly | all the older intel gpu will be problematic |
| 18:07.48 | B|ack0p | i just wanna find out if it is hardware or software issue |
| 18:07.55 | B|ack0p | drive/firmware or hw |
| 18:07.59 | jelly | probably software or firmware. |
| 18:08.05 | B|ack0p | hope so :/ |
| 18:08.29 | B|ack0p | not correct channel but any small weight linux distro to try? |
| 18:08.32 | B|ack0p | small iso image |
| 18:08.38 | B|ack0p | less than 512mb |
| 18:08.46 | B|ack0p | with graphics |
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| 18:09.08 | jelly | grml.org 2014.03 is nice vintage live cd :-) |
| 18:09.09 | Akuw | what file is used to port forward in debian 8 |
| 18:09.34 | B|ack0p | jelly: thx :) |
| 18:09.44 | B|ack0p | does it have graphics interface? |
| 18:10.03 | jelly | it has Xorg with vesa driver. Jsut don't go browsing the internets with the 5 year old browser |
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| 18:10.16 | greycat | Oh, you didn't mean 512 MB of permanent storage for Debian. You meant that you're writing the *installer* to a small device.... |
| 18:10.26 | greycat | Well anyway, I would still avoid the big DEs. |
| 18:10.47 | B|ack0p | greycat: debian10 netinstaller image was about 300mb |
| 18:10.54 | viper_ | An older intel gpu can probably be focred only on linux-32bit not 64bit |
| 18:11.36 | B|ack0p | jelly: grml is more than 600mb // |
| 18:11.40 | jelly | viper_: forced to what? the cpu is not 64bit anyway so there's no choice |
| 18:11.44 | B|ack0p | viper_: 32 |
| 18:11.53 | B|ack0p | exactly |
| 18:11.59 | B|ack0p | only 32 |
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| 18:12.54 | whislock | Akuw: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 18:13.18 | jelly | B|ack0p: there's a -full and a -small flavor for both grml64 and grml32 |
| 18:13.32 | Akuw | actually i have 3 host, i can see all from my computer, but only one is not possible to see |
| 18:13.43 | Akuw | i can only reach from one of hosts |
| 18:13.52 | B|ack0p | jelly: ah right thx it is 305mb |
| 18:13.54 | B|ack0p | :) |
| 18:13.57 | B|ack0p | does it have GUI? |
| 18:14.01 | Akuw | i mean, 3 host has 3 devices with ip attached |
| 18:14.13 | greycat | You CHOOSE whether to install things. |
| 18:14.20 | greycat | It doesn't matter what is ON the installer medium. |
| 18:14.44 | jelly | B|ack0p: I don't remember whether the small one has a GUI, sorry |
| 18:14.49 | greycat | Whatever you CHOOSE that is not ON the installer medium will be downloaded. |
| 18:15.00 | jelly | (and grml is a LIVE image not an installer) |
| 18:15.08 | B|ack0p | oh i see |
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| 18:15.18 | B|ack0p | i tried parabola before |
| 18:15.45 | jelly | debian netinst have so far all been below 512MiB |
| 18:15.55 | lionrouge | whislock, rozie, jelly thanks |
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| 18:16.41 | B|ack0p | yes deb was around 300 also |
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| 18:21.20 | Akuw | i have 3 host with 3 devices attached |
| 18:21.34 | Akuw | i can ping to 3 host and 2 of devices |
| 18:21.44 | Akuw | only one device is not reachable |
| 18:22.15 | Akuw | devices has IP address so should be reacheble, but only can reach 2 |
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| 18:24.22 | jelly | Akuw: what kind of devices. Which of those have debian running. Show "ip a" and "ip r" on all of them, |
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| 18:34.22 | revolutionary | hi all. Is there any way to prevent lid close hibernation on Buster? Editing systemd.logind.conf and adding ignore lines didn't work. |
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| 18:39.57 | jhutchins_wk | Akuw: Possibly their subnet is incorrect. |
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| 18:40.10 | Akuw | where can i see that? |
| 18:40.18 | jhutchins_wk | Akuw: port forwarding in Linux is controlled by nftables and is deeper than an IRC discussion. |
| 18:40.23 | Akuw | but is strange, because devices as his own ip |
| 18:40.23 | jhutchins_wk | !nftables |
| 18:40.24 | dpkg | nftables is the next generation of iptables, incorporating both v4 and v6: https://wiki.debian.org/nftables |
| 18:40.32 | Akuw | because has a ethernet interface |
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| 18:41.25 | jhutchins_wk | Akuw: How are you trying to "see" this device? |
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| 18:41.36 | Akuw | using ping |
| 18:42.08 | jhutchins_wk | Akuw: Pastebin ifconfig from both the host you're trying to see the device from and the device. |
| 18:42.10 | Akuw | all devices are ok, but one is not reachable, only from host is possible, i mean, host connect in same switch |
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| 18:42.20 | insider | hi |
| 18:43.03 | insider | how can i join the offsec channel ! |
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| 18:43.10 | Akuw | devices use same gateway so all is ok |
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| 18:43.40 | greycat | "/join #offsec" in most clients, no quotes, no space before the slash |
| 18:43.54 | insider | thank you |
| 18:44.03 | annadane | there are dozens of them... |
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| 18:50.07 | jelly | at least this one knew to ask |
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| 18:50.54 | greycat | Yeah, an above average one. |
| 18:51.34 | wasamasa | How much time has it been between the last few ones? |
| 18:51.53 | wasamasa | From my occasional glances at scrollbacks it's days. |
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| 18:52.24 | annadane | !list |
| 18:52.24 | dpkg | annadane: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 18:53.22 | jelly | didn't find their way to #offsec tho |
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| 18:53.34 | revolutionary | greycat: i found how can i disable suspend/hibernation from GUI settings. I configured the close lid option to lock screen. When i closed the lid i am seeing graphical lock screen. Is this normal? |
| 18:53.55 | jelly | wasamasa: it's often enough to be annoying |
| 18:53.56 | revolutionary | I purged all display managers btw |
| 18:54.04 | annadane | please don't crosspost |
| 18:54.17 | annadane | but whatever |
| 18:55.56 | annadane | lock screen and DM may be separate? |
| 18:56.27 | annadane | kinda hard to know without what you uninstalled |
| 18:56.31 | revolutionary | how can i determine this? |
| 18:56.35 | annadane | without knowing what* |
| 18:56.41 | revolutionary | i purged sddm and gdm3 |
| 18:56.42 | annadane | well first off what are you using? |
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| 18:56.47 | revolutionary | Buster |
| 18:56.48 | jxel | hi :) |
| 18:56.48 | revolutionary | KDE |
| 18:56.56 | revolutionary | jxel: hi :) |
| 18:57.04 | jxel | how are we all? |
| 18:57.16 | revolutionary | jxel: fine, you? |
| 18:57.20 | jelly | !ask |
| 18:57.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:57.29 | jxel | not too bad, just got to work |
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| 18:58.14 | annadane | revolutionary, anyway, i can't answer you because i don't know, wait for someone else |
| 18:58.24 | revolutionary | annadane: i am using Buster KDE. How can i view installed lockscreen managers? |
| 18:58.38 | revolutionary | annadane: thanks for your effort |
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| 19:01.37 | Akuw | that ip cameras has IP, so i should reach it |
| 19:01.58 | revolutionary | i am changing the question. How can i set the lock screen for TTY? |
| 19:02.10 | jelly | revolutionary: vlock -a |
| 19:02.23 | jelly | if you're asking how to lock the console |
| 19:02.50 | revolutionary | jelly: i purged sddm and gdm3 but when i locked the screen i am seeing graphical lock screen. |
| 19:03.07 | revolutionary | I want to see TTY not graphical view on lock screen |
| 19:03.44 | Akuw | when i do port forward what file i modify? |
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| 19:07.09 | barbado | Hey. |
| 19:07.11 | barbado | I have this minimal 64‑bit Debian 10 install, without Internet. Only a few programs are at hand, e.g., ip. It has no ifup, iw, iwconfig, iwlist, nmcli, rfkill, or wpa_cli. |
| 19:07.13 | barbado | Wired connection is not an option but there is a known WPA2 Wi‑Fi signal in the air. |
| 19:07.14 | barbado | What simple actions should I perform to read and display in standard output the referred SSID and others with such limited setup? |
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| 19:08.10 | greycat | It *should* have ifup, at least. That's in a package with priority "important". Are you sure you're not just using a stunted PATH? |
| 19:08.17 | karlpinc | revolutionary: That's not something typically done. You'd have to look at the screensavers/locks available for your desktop of choice and find one that does that. |
| 19:08.21 | barbado | Or better, what should I do to actually get a working connection? |
| 19:08.48 | revolutionary | karlpinc: Do you mean it is not possible for seeing TTY in lock screen? |
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| 19:09.21 | greycat | Figure out whether your wireless interface is USB or PCI. Use the appropriate command to list USB or PCI devices, and see what the actual chipset is. Follow instructions for that chipset from knowledgeable sources. |
| 19:09.23 | karlpinc | revolutionary: I'm sure it's possible. The question is whether anybody's done it. |
| 19:09.46 | karlpinc | !tell barbado about su |
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| 19:09.51 | greycat | !buster su |
| 19:09.51 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To use the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
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| 19:10.07 | karlpinc | greycat: Thanks. I always miss that factoid. |
| 19:10.30 | revolutionary | karlpinc: i am waiting someone's help about this issue. Thanks for your interest |
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| 19:10.53 | barbado | @greycat Oh, you're correct. ifup is present. |
| 19:11.24 | karlpinc | revolutionary: You might tell people what your real goal is. (The screen isn't locked if you have a vt, it can be typed into, etc.) |
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| 19:13.49 | jelly | revolutionary: so switch to console first, then use vlock, if that's what you really want |
| 19:14.13 | jelly | or if that's a feasible workaround for whatever you're trying to avoid |
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| 19:17.20 | revolutionary | jelly: i want to drop to TTY when screen is locked. I don't want to see graphical lock screen. I want to drop to the TTY and i wanna login via TTY. That's it. |
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| 19:17.38 | revolutionary | like login via TTY on first boot |
| 19:17.41 | barbado | greycat: though ifup is present, I think Iproute2 obsoletes it. Anyway, ip is present. |
| 19:18.13 | greycat | You're confusing ifup and ifconfig. |
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| 19:19.45 | barbado | greycat: oh right, sorry. Can I see SSIDs with ifup? |
| 19:20.09 | greycat | ifup is Debian's tool to bring an interface up (using the configs in /etc/network/interfaces). It's not a low-level diagnostic program. |
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| 19:21.44 | barbado | greycat: I can bring my interface up with ip link set wlan0 up. Problem appears from that point on. |
| 19:22.10 | jelly | revolutionary: you can do that by switching to console (eg. tty1) and then locking with the console locking tool, and switching back to tty7 after unlock. |
| 19:22.50 | jelly | revolutionary: stupid way: sudo sh -c 'chvt 1 && sleep 1 && vlock -a && chvt 7' |
| 19:23.30 | jhutchins_wk | barbado: How did you become root? |
| 19:23.34 | jelly | revolutionary: also, untested. |
| 19:23.41 | jhutchins_wk | barbado: Are you using su or sudo? |
| 19:24.00 | barbado | jhutchins_wk: su |
| 19:24.20 | ayekat | barbado: merely setting the interface up isn't enough - you need to establish a link with an access point (e.g. with iw or with wpa_supplicant, depending on the type of WiFi) |
| 19:24.27 | jhutchins_wk | barbado: exit, do su - instead. You don't see those tools because you don't have root's path. |
| 19:24.57 | ayekat | I believe they were already told this, and adapted |
| 19:25.44 | ayekat | (ah, it's WPA2) |
| 19:25.52 | ayekat | so use wpa_supplicant |
| 19:26.14 | ayekat | and *then* you can start worrying about the IP layer (obtaining/setting an address, etc.) |
| 19:26.22 | barbado | ayekat: no wpa_supplicant here. Quite minimal install. |
| 19:26.47 | revolutionary | jelly: how can i unlock after using vlock -a? |
| 19:26.48 | ayekat | then I'm afraid you'll have a hard time connecting to a WPA2 access point... unless there is iwd, but I would be surprised |
| 19:27.03 | greycat | download whatever's missing, sneakernet it into the system |
| 19:27.28 | jelly | revolutionary: type in the password at the password prompt |
| 19:28.09 | jelly | revolutionary: and Press [ENTER] before that |
| 19:28.10 | revolutionary | jelly: trying now |
| 19:28.12 | barbado | jhutchins_wk: wait, how come? whoami says I'm root... |
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| 19:28.48 | greycat | !buster su |
| 19:28.48 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To use the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 19:29.02 | revolutionary | jelly: vlock command not found |
| 19:29.10 | ayekat | thought they had already been given this information, and even reacted with: "oh, thanks!" O_o |
| 19:29.18 | jelly | !installit |
| 19:29.18 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 19:30.05 | jelly | revolutionary: you'll probably want to use a virtual console that is not running a getty. |
| 19:30.18 | barbado | ayekat: no iwd too :'-( |
| 19:30.44 | annadane | ask me about <slackware> |
| 19:30.47 | jelly | revolutionary: so, slightly more refined and actually somewhat working, sudo sh -c 'chvt 10 && sleep 1 && vlock -a < /dev/tty10 > /dev/tty10 2>&1 && chvt 7' |
| 19:31.26 | Fish4rk | barbado: you can also try make usb-tethering with android phone, usually faster to set up if wifi aint working |
| 19:31.57 | Fish4rk | and for Wifi, check dmesg that you card aint missing firmware |
| 19:32.08 | jelly | revolutionary: that one asks for root password. Doing it for the correct user is left as an exercise for the reader. |
| 19:32.11 | jelly | hides |
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| 19:34.12 | barbado | dpkg: OK. I'm testing a su - login but still see no iw or iwlist. |
| 19:34.12 | dpkg | barbado: I give up, what is it? |
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| 19:34.53 | annadane | you're talking to a bot, barbado |
| 19:35.20 | barbado | annadane: well, I'm documenting my tests :-) |
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| 19:36.02 | greycat | ,file bin/iwlist |
| 19:36.07 | judd | Search for bin/iwlist in buster/amd64: wireless-tools: sbin/iwlist |
| 19:36.33 | barbado | Fish4rk: firmware and driver are pretty much OK. |
| 19:36.34 | greycat | add "wireless-tools" to the list of things you'll probably need to download and sneakernet |
| 19:36.58 | greycat | I would've expected a laptop install to include that, though... weird. |
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| 19:37.11 | maqr | if i want to move my /boot to a usb stick, how does one go about doing that? i tried the obvious thing of copying my existing /boot to a usb stick, remounting the stick as /boot, and running update-grub, but that results in being dumped to a grub rescue shell |
| 19:38.08 | jelly | maqr: what is the goal accomplished by moving /boot to stick? |
| 19:38.36 | jelly | do you maybe also want to move the boot device to stick, and use whole disks for something else? |
| 19:39.24 | maqr | jelly: evil maid mitigation, i want to carry my bootloader on my person instead of on an unencrypted disk in the machine that it's booting |
| 19:39.33 | greycat | 1 zorkmid on "I want to make it so my computer can't boot unless I " ... oh, I am too slow. |
| 19:39.39 | barbado | greycat: you mean I should get the DEB package? OK, I understand that solution but I'm wondering whether it's possible to solve the problem with the minimal install by its very self. |
| 19:39.44 | jelly | maqr: if so, maybe you also want to grub-install to the stick and select the stick to boot from |
| 19:39.49 | maqr | jelly: though for bonus points, it'd be nice to also have it be a live cd :) |
| 19:39.58 | maqr | jelly: ohh, grub-update doesn't do grub-install? i bet that's my whole problem |
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| 19:40.04 | maqr | greycat: wow you're good :P |
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| 19:40.14 | greycat | repeated exposure to insane people |
| 19:40.45 | maqr | oh yeah, that's me, makes sense |
| 19:40.52 | jelly | maqr: and you probably want to move the LUKS key to /boot instead of it being embedded on the disk |
| 19:41.24 | maqr | jelly: yeah, i'm gonna put the key on the stick, gpg encrypted |
| 19:41.42 | jelly | uh, does GRUB do gpg now? |
| 19:42.12 | jelly | why would you do that, the key is already sufficiently encrypted |
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| 19:42.25 | jelly | read the cryptsetup docs. |
| 19:42.27 | maqr | jelly: no, but i can run dropbear-initramfs from /boot |
| 19:42.30 | kitsune | Does anyone have any experience with gamemode on debian? |
| 19:42.42 | annadane | if i want to get flatpak from proposed updates so i get it a little faster, can i then comment out the sources.list entry and then i'll get it in stable? |
| 19:42.44 | kitsune | im trying to play csgo and it will launch without gamemode but wont launch with gamemode |
| 19:42.56 | maqr | jelly: the plan is to put the stick in the server, let it boot to initramfs, ssh in, decrypt the keyfile with gpg, pass it to cryptsetup to unlock root |
| 19:42.56 | jelly | !gamemode |
| 19:43.11 | kadiro | ,gamemode |
| 19:43.16 | kadiro | :o |
| 19:43.19 | kitsune | ? |
| 19:43.27 | jelly | maqr: hope you don't have power losses in the datacenter often |
| 19:43.37 | annadane | !anyone |
| 19:43.38 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 19:43.45 | annadane | kitsune, ^ |
| 19:43.46 | maqr | jelly: home server, but i have battery backup + generator :) |
| 19:43.58 | jelly | kitsune: I hoped the bot would know anything about what "gamemode" was. Alas. |
| 19:44.15 | annadane | kitsune, oh, i just saw your question. anyway, do you have any error messages? |
| 19:44.21 | kitsune | nope |
| 19:44.29 | kitsune | no error message in console |
| 19:44.42 | kitsune | im running steam from terminal |
| 19:45.04 | annadane | that... may be a more specific steam question? |
| 19:45.09 | jelly | maqr: you'll also have to add a 3G backup internet link and send a notification to your phone when power is back "I'm up and waiting for you to unlock me" |
| 19:45.17 | maqr | jelly: so my strategy of copying everything to /boot is valid? i made one fat32 partition at the beginning of the disk, so i think i can just throw all the current /boot stuff (efi and all) onto that, then grub-install? |
| 19:45.46 | maqr | jelly: i've actually thought about getting a redundant cell connection, but i'm ok with having to be here in person to boot/unlock |
| 19:45.56 | jelly | maqr: I do not know about UEFI booting. Maybe you need the EFI partition thing on the stick as well? |
| 19:46.11 | maqr | jelly: yeah, i'm not sure about that, i guess i'll have to try it and see |
| 19:47.32 | Lyberta | hi, I'm trying to make keyboard backlight writable to "plugdev" group, I've written a udev rule like this but it doesn't work: KERNEL=="g15::kbd_backlight", SUBSYSTEM=="leds", ACTION=="add", GROUP="plugdev", MODE="0660" |
| 19:47.59 | greycat | Cross-posting is bad. |
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| 19:49.08 | Akuw | where can i see routing tables? |
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| 19:49.34 | jelly | Akuw: around the "ip route show" command |
| 19:49.46 | jelly | "ip r" for short |
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| 19:50.48 | jelly | Akuw: if you remember, someone asked you for that and also "ip a" an hour ago |
| 19:51.48 | jelly | (it was me) |
| 19:52.03 | jelly | wasamasa: now, THAT'S salty. |
| 19:52.07 | Bambus | hello there... are there significant benefits of kernel 5.2 from backports over 4.19 stock? |
| 19:52.27 | greycat | support for certain specific newer hardware |
| 19:52.56 | jelly | Bambus: also, less security support if you dislike security fixes |
| 19:53.07 | annadane | basically unless you need it, don't bother with it |
| 19:53.27 | Bambus | hm okay i should stay stock? |
| 19:53.45 | Bambus | my hardware run with stock, too |
| 19:54.17 | annadane | yes, if you don't care either way |
| 19:54.43 | Bambus | okay thank you... and the backports have less security support than stock? |
| 19:54.59 | jelly | backports have no security promise at all |
| 19:55.12 | jelly | they're done when maintainers have time |
| 19:55.26 | Bambus | okay thank you for this info... |
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| 20:10.25 | annadane | does anyone know who owns judd? |
| 20:10.44 | jelly | yes. |
| 20:10.52 | jelly | !anyone |
| 20:10.52 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 20:11.02 | Akuw | where are the routin tablkes |
| 20:11.06 | Akuw | i need to check that |
| 20:11.09 | annadane | ip r |
| 20:11.28 | annadane | but yeah, i was asking because ,i package links to alioth instead of salsa |
| 20:11.49 | jelly | annadane: which package |
| 20:12.05 | annadane | ,i live-build |
| 20:12.07 | judd | Package live-build (misc, optional) in buster/amd64: Live System Build Components. Version: 1:20190311; Size: 373.1k; Installed: 1245k; Homepage: https://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/live-build/ |
| 20:12.19 | jelly | ,i live-build --release sid |
| 20:12.20 | judd | Package live-build (misc, optional) in sid/amd64: Live System Build Components. Version: 1:20190311; Size: 373.1k; Installed: 1245k; Homepage: https://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/live-build/ |
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| 20:12.51 | jelly | annadane: that's directly from package's control file. File a bug report. |
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| 20:13.37 | jelly | annadane: and the bot probably got it from UDD or Packages, I'm not sure |
| 20:13.52 | Akuw | default via 10.3.111.254 dev eth1 |
| 20:13.52 | Akuw | 10.3.111.0/24 dev eth1 proto kernel scope link src 10.3.111.5 |
| 20:14.10 | Akuw | i need to reach 10.3.111.21 |
| 20:14.19 | jelly | !paste |
| 20:14.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 20:15.09 | jelly | Akuw: show "ip a" and "ip r" on all the relevant systems, and tell us what's the source system (and ip) and what's the destination system (and ip) that fails |
| 20:16.04 | Akuw | but in device i cant do that |
| 20:16.13 | Akuw | only has web interface |
| 20:17.17 | jelly | then show what you can, the configured address and netmask and gateway for that device, and "ip a" and "ip r" for all the others in the path. |
| 20:17.32 | jelly | put all in one pastebin if possible |
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| 20:18.35 | jelly | Akuw: also, "grep . /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" on all of them. |
| 20:18.47 | Akuw | ok |
| 20:18.49 | Akuw | good |
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| 20:19.07 | Akuw | 0 |
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| 20:21.01 | jelly | Akuw: I can wait until you show all the info from all the hosts, including the client you're testing from, and all the hosts between that client and the "device" |
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| 20:25.12 | Akuw | jelly: https://paste.debian.net/1116109/ |
| 20:26.58 | jelly | Akuw: okay, add also "ip r" from both host 1 and local host to that pastebin. |
| 20:27.25 | Akuw | ok |
| 20:27.48 | jelly | Akuw: and show WHOLE info from host 1 and local host. Don't cut off interfaces. |
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| 20:29.58 | Akuw | https://paste.debian.net/1116110/ |
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| 20:37.47 | Akuw | jelly: saw the paste? |
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| 20:46.02 | viper_ | Guys i'm trying to pen-test here,a website clone through SEToolkit. Well i tried to move it into /var/www/html directory but still showin an apeal "That I may need to copy /var/www/* into /var/www/html depending on where my directory structure is." I even moved my apache2 into specified directories and started it. |
| 20:46.07 | viper_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:47.18 | greycat | wonders what the hell "still showin an apeal" means |
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| 20:48.52 | annadane | you are using debian, right? not parrot/kali? |
| 20:50.05 | viper_ | I dont want to say its an error message, but something relevant to an error |
| 20:50.26 | viper_ | I am using Kali yes |
| 20:50.30 | annadane | !kali |
| 20:50.30 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 20:50.44 | annadane | !based on debian |
| 20:50.44 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 20:51.20 | viper_ | Okay thanks! |
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| 20:59.22 | viper_ | I am sorry guys, I thought y'al would help me sice Kali is Based on Debian. |
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| 20:59.31 | viper_ | My bad |
| 21:00.16 | annadane | even if we could, you would have had to specify that it's kali :/ |
| 21:00.24 | annadane | this is not trivial information |
| 21:00.44 | annadane | and also your question isn't even about kali specifically |
| 21:00.51 | annadane | also, |
| 21:00.51 | greycat | it's not hard to guess given the "hi I'm a criminal" confession |
| 21:00.54 | annadane | !whynotpentesting |
| 21:00.54 | dpkg | For some reasons why Kali/Parrot/Other based-on-Debian penetration testing distributions shouldn't be used as a home desktop, see https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/399626/why-is-kali-linux-so-hard-to-set-up-why-wont-people-help-me |
| 21:01.29 | annadane | !kali-overnight |
| 21:01.30 | dpkg | Installing Parrot or Kali on your computer will not make you into a security expert overnight. If you really want to have those skills, install a general purpose linux distro like Debian (www.debian.org), learn at least one programming language, and learn about networking. Eventually you may have the skills that make a pentesting distro a useful tool. |
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| 21:03.24 | viper_ | Thanks for thee Advices, but I've learned networking and still... Programming Python |
| 21:03.51 | annadane | i just think 'using and learning about a linux distro' is more interesting than 'how do i hack people and cause damage' |
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| 21:04.30 | greycat | I'm actually kinda pleased that the people who want to use Kali are so generally incompetent. Less possibilty of actual damage ensuing. |
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| 21:10.21 | GNU\colossus | hehe |
| 21:10.44 | viper_ | I understand purpose of Pen-test, its not about damaging actually, but finding out loop holes on authorized stunts, its one the vast purposes of pen-test. Yes although some would try to spoof and sneak with other's credentials which is illigal. I just tryna help to address those kinda issues. |
| 21:11.51 | annadane | fair enough; we've had enough wannabe hacker types to be wary/weary of questions like that |
| 21:12.10 | annadane | but, yeah... learn how to ask questions, debian is not kali |
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| 21:12.47 | greycat | I still don't even understand the initial question. Near as I can tell, it's their teacher/boss telling them "What you've done is not complete yet." |
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| 21:13.13 | greycat | Or even before that, they're paraphrasing a general sentence from a homework assignment. |
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| 21:17.52 | viper_ | So, what are the suggestions on that? i am not here to act like i know better, just seeking for a help thats all. May i leave kali and install Debian as it is? |
| 21:18.39 | annadane | by leave kali do you mean stop using kali or leave it in place? you can dual boot |
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| 21:19.07 | viper_ | I meant Stop using it |
| 21:19.13 | annadane | well, that's up to you |
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| 21:21.02 | viper_ | Okay, So Debian installation process are similar to Kali right? |
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| 21:21.11 | annadane | don't know, haven't used it |
| 21:21.17 | annadane | i thought kali was more of a live image |
| 21:21.35 | annadane | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 21:21.39 | greycat | That URL that was just posted here about Kali seems to indicate that most of its *real* users do not install it on a hard drive. |
| 21:24.52 | ayekat | I don't think Kali was designed to be installed in a persistent way - but people wanting a show-off-haxxor-setup will do so anyway |
| 21:25.36 | viper_ | Its on your choice, you run it live on usb,cd or you install it on a hard drive which is what i've exactly done. am running kali on a hard drive. the purpose of running kali live, is when you're really upto something no good.. |
| 21:26.32 | viper_ | But i really want to join Debian guys and learn more of it |
| 21:26.39 | annadane | !newcomer |
| 21:26.39 | dpkg | Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: https://debian-handbook.info/ Reference manual: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ FAQ: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ - reading https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian is also a very good idea. |
| 21:27.36 | annadane | begins lobbying to take the handbook out of debian documentation resources until it matches up with a version of debian that came out this century |
| 21:28.07 | greycat | it's not *that* old |
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| 21:28.35 | viper_ | Thanks for the welcome guys, I'll start on working on resources as you guided. Thanks... |
| 21:28.41 | ryouma | annadane: thanks for saying that |
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| 21:29.21 | annadane | i was really joking, i don't think it should be removed and most of it does still apply and i'm sure it gets patches but it's just funny how it still says debian 8 |
| 21:29.42 | greycat | writing is hard work |
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| 21:30.23 | ryouma | annadane: oh, i just modified my notes to say it might be old |
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| 21:42.17 | viper_ | Well I just had a lil bit of an explore via this manuals, not bad because most of command lines here i already know them "INTERESTING". But still need to learn more. |
| 21:44.47 | viper_ | I don't think i'll struggle to install it, but where i lack I believe you guys would definitely give a help.. |
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| 21:48.15 | RoyK | viper_: what do you need to learn? |
| 21:48.20 | RoyK | "all of it"? |
| 21:48.52 | viper_ | Not all of it as such, most important parts of it |
| 21:48.58 | greycat | When you have a specific question, feel free to ask it. We can't give Kali answers, but we can give Debian answers. |
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| 21:49.16 | ayekat | "important" is not very specific, and not very objective |
| 21:49.18 | greycat | If you need Kali answers, you can go to the Kali channel. |
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| 21:53.12 | viper_ | I think i've made it clear guys, that i am leaving kali for good. There is something that i am trying to do here as we speakin, I just installed Debian Installer on it via synaptic package installer. |
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| 21:53.42 | greycat | I don't even want to know |
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| 21:54.26 | annadane | if you're really truly leaving kali, why not just back up the information you need, personal files etc, copy the debian image to the install medium like a usb stick as described in the installtion guide, and just wipe the entire disk including kali |
| 21:55.05 | viper_ | It has just opened terminal and displays About to execute /usr/sbin/debian-installer-launcher. |
| 21:55.08 | viper_ | This command needs root privileges to be executed. |
| 21:55.10 | viper_ | Using su... |
| 21:55.13 | viper_ | Enter root password at prompt. |
| 21:55.15 | viper_ | Password: |
| 21:55.17 | annadane | okay, stop |
| 21:55.27 | annadane | you're really super rushing this |
| 21:55.44 | annadane | you don't 'install debian with synaptic' |
| 21:55.52 | greycat | It must be some kind of Kali thing. |
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| 21:56.06 | greycat | It sure as hell is not a normal Debian thing. |
| 21:56.13 | annadane | abandons ship and leaves this up to the rest of the channel |
| 21:56.14 | ryouma | well there is dbootstrap or something |
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| 21:56.25 | ryouma | de* |
| 21:56.30 | greycat | ,file usr/sbin/debian-installer-launcher |
| 21:56.35 | judd | Search for usr/sbin/debian-installer-launcher in buster/amd64: debian-installer-launcher: usr/sbin/debian-installer-launcher |
| 21:56.40 | greycat | ... |
| 21:56.45 | greycat | I don't even |
| 21:57.15 | viper_ | Okay, maybe you guys right. Lemme do the right thing |
| 21:59.09 | livebrain | are you trying to install debian with synaptic while running another distro ? |
| 21:59.56 | greycat | The description of debian-installer-launcher is interesting. |
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| 22:00.20 | viper_ | Yes, but i wasn't sure of it too... just wannet to see miracle happens |
| 22:00.26 | annadane | yeah, no. |
| 22:00.36 | annadane | you should be able to use cp within kali, probably |
| 22:01.03 | annadane | find your device with lsblk, have it be unmounted, cp /path/to/debian.iso /dev/sdX where sdx is sda or sdb or whatever |
| 22:01.15 | annadane | (do this as root) |
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| 22:02.13 | viper_ | Oh, okay.. |
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