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00:48.40zecolmeiahello everyone
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00:49.33zecolmeiawhat about publish a compress file containning all debian .git packages repo
00:49.36zecolmeia?
00:50.04sponixzecolmeia: or not
00:50.55zecolmeiamaybe yes, flexible custom branches/merges
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01:38.10KuroganeHello, how not install "The following additional packages will be installed" in a package.
01:38.33kskKurogane: you can leave out recommendations with the "--without-recommends" switch
01:38.38ryoumaKurogane: there aer options for the installation tools to not install recommendations
01:38.46kskif they are coming in because of dependencies, you need them, and cannot choose to not install
01:39.15ksk"apt-cache show $pkg" will show you which are which
01:39.18ryoumaand maybe suggests is relevant, but i think maybe not by default?
01:39.52kskagreed :)
01:44.39Kuroganeksk, that option not work for me but --no-install-recommends and still try to install.
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01:45.02kskKurogane: how about pasting the install command you use, and the apt output?
01:45.03ksk!paste
01:45.03dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
01:45.29kskthe right switch is "--no-install-recommends", I was mistaken.
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01:46.09kskand I already told you how to determine WHY these packages are installed
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01:52.13Kuroganeksk, packages are installed? i not want to install it, https://bpaste.net/raw/LTSOQ
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01:56.52Unit193Hah, both mariadb-common and mysql-common? :D
01:58.28kskKurogane: the package you want to install depends on "libmariadb3" - which depends on mysql-coomon
01:59.35kskmysql-common is just a, eh, "various important implementation independent"-files package
02:00.14kskKurogane: so, no way for you to not install that. anyway, why are installing 33kB of packages a problem for you? :o
02:00.28kskoh, 330kB ;)
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02:00.55Unit193934kB actually.
02:01.04kskyou will not have a mysql-server installed, if that should be your concern..
02:01.07ksktrue :)
02:01.24Unit193I'd still see if I can avoid one of the -common packages, seems silly to have both.
02:01.57Unit193`apt install --no-install-recommends libdbd-mysql-perl mysql-coomon-` then swap with mariadb-common if that one fails.
02:03.13ksknope, mariadb-common depends on mysql-common - nono
02:03.38kskglad to be your "apt-cache show"-frontend
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02:17.06FufuThose two package only contain some configuration files http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4ffb616e
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03:06.02bsldhello guys so im using debian on wsl2 does anyone of you knows where the "4.19.79-microsoft-standard" kernel is stored - i checked the /boot directory it's empty
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03:08.15whislockbsld: I am uncertain as to whether or not the WSL build of Debian is supported here.
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03:10.11OS-16741msg NickServ REGISTER
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03:14.09kskIm inclined to say not supported, as I heard its a modified debian of sorts..
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03:14.51kskbsld: but if that what you put in "" is a package, you can do "dpkg -L $pkg" to find where the package stores it files
03:15.08sponixksk: well the folks in ##windows aren't likely to be of any help :P
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03:16.17sponixksk: I'm almost curious as to where Microsoft published their changes made to that kernel lol
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03:19.12bsldsponix: https://github.com/microsoft/WSL2-Linux-Kernel
03:20.11sponixbsld: interesting.. My google search didn't find that :)
03:20.32bsldksk: what's the kernel package
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03:21.43bsldsponix: im currently cloning this repos and atm it's 24% percent and 630mib is that normal
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03:21.54bsldseems rather large to me
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03:22.59whislockbsld: Ever clone https://github.com/torvalds/linux?
03:23.11sponixbsld: not sure, you could pull the normal 4.15.x kernel and compare -- see how much bloat they added already :)
03:23.43whislocksponix: 24% and 630M is positively svelte compared to the actual Linux repo.
03:24.12whislockI'm cloning the repo now. 21%, 1.3G.
03:25.20whislockNow, that includes all of the commit history. Let's see what the actual source sizes are.
03:26.01sponixcan't you just checkout that specific 4.19.x version of both for comparison ?
03:26.20whislockThe linux repo only has one branch.
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03:26.58whislockI could probably go digging for the release tag, but I'm lazy.
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03:27.49whislockHeh. The WSL sources are smaller.
03:27.54whislockSo much for bloat.
03:29.36sponixwhislock: that is amazing
03:30.15sponixguess they are saving all the extra telemetry code for that rebranded chromium
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04:03.01inariDo I have to do something special to the lvm mapper before i call shutdown? I.e. along the lines of umount. Do I need to "unregister" anything before shutdown?
04:03.04z8zDid the some repository path change recently? I'm not getting the security updates even i see those in the update news. I fresh installation of Debian on another PC gets those updates tho. Preparing the 2 source.list files to paste..
04:04.06kskinari: no
04:04.13inariK, thanks
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05:14.10z8zDid the some repository path change recently? I'm not getting the security updates even i see those in the update news. A fresh installation of Debian on another PC gets those updates tho.
05:14.43z8zThese are the sources.list files in both PC. Why the second one doesnt find any update? https://pastebin.com/mSpnisDA
05:15.07z8zI see one has deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security
05:15.10z8zand the other
05:15.21z8zdeb http://security.debian.org/ buster/updates contrib
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05:15.33RoyKno main on the latter
05:15.35n-iCehi
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05:16.02RoyKz8z: only contrib, not main
05:16.31z8zoh sorry there was another line below i didnt copy before pasting
05:16.32z8zdeb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main
05:16.38z8zso i guess it's not that
05:16.48RoyKdeb http://security.debian.org/ buster/updates contrib
05:16.54RoyKthat lacks 'main'
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05:17.23z8zWhy these settings where working ok on Debian 9? :|
05:17.33RoyKthey probably didn't
05:18.15RoyKadd main there, do an apt update and upgrade (or dist-upgrade) and check the result
05:18.42z8zBut every security patch in the Debian Security was popping out with those settings. Sorry for asking.... just curious
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05:19.03RoyKtry to change that first, please
05:19.24RoyKmy guess is you removed a bit too much while upgrading
05:19.40z8zso would you mind to paste how it should be?
05:20.06RoyKjust add main after contrib
05:20.08RoyKor before it
05:20.13RoyKshouldn't matter
05:20.17z8zOh ok
05:21.07RoyKand until next time - install etckeeper so that you can look back into what etc looked like before you did something
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05:21.44RoyKit's a nice tool, especially if you manage to remove some files from /etc in a hurry
05:22.10z8zIt's working thanks
05:22.19grisheror just backup ya configs before you change 'em
05:23.09RoyKgrisher: etckeeper is a nice way of doing that
05:24.41RoyKgrisher: so unless you do something as stupid as rm dash r slash etc, you'll be fine
05:24.43grisherso is cp
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05:25.06RoyKgrisher: etckeeper uses a git repo - a bit more flexible
05:25.12grisherdon't need to keep pinging me mate
05:25.34z8zI will actually go and check the backup later. I usually dont make such mistakes of removing extra stuff...
05:25.35z8z:|
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05:25.48grisherit's no big deal
05:25.53grisherjust add it and update/upgrade
05:26.28RoyKsilently ignores grisher
05:26.46z8zbtw is "http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates" and "http://security.debian.org/ buster/updates" the same thing now?
05:26.52grisheri mean, go for it
05:26.57grisherbut you don't need to keep pinging me
05:29.00grisherz8z: it should be http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/
05:29.57z8zok thanks
05:32.15z8zreboot time ^^
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05:42.10dyyanyone can help me with tor browser? It shows just black screen
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05:48.46grisherdyy: screenshot?
05:52.01OerHeks'dark' web
05:53.27dyy@grisher, her> dyy: screenshot?
05:53.44dyygrisher, https://pasteboard.co/IGBzJK6.png
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05:56.23grisherhow did you install it?
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06:01.21dyygrisher, it was preinstalled on parrot os
06:01.36dyydo I need to reinstall it and see if the problem persist
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08:03.50RabalidadHi, so I installed nvidia-driver and therefore I have driver version 418.74, but when I run nvidia-smi ir reports "CUDA Version: ERR!" even I have nvidia-cuda-dev installed
08:04.13Rabalidadand I can not run any CUDA applications, does anybody know what might be wrong?
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08:13.08at0mRabalidad: i'd go from nvidia-detect, and see what driver that suggests for your hardware
08:13.32at0mthen make sure you're not using any other
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08:16.21Rabalidadnvidia-detect suggests the default driver, nvidia-driver
08:16.46RabalidadI installed "nvidia-cuda-toolkit" but still same issue
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08:22.42RabalidadI have Buster (stable) how to upgrade to testing (Bullseye)?
08:23.16at0mRabalidad: how would that solve your problem? or, why would you?
08:23.39at0m(cos, if you need to ask how, i doubt that's the right thing to do)
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08:24.44at0malso, for nvidia specific stuff, there's #nvidia, too
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08:25.16Rabalidadbesides the issue I have I just noticed that I have stable and I prefer to have testing
08:25.50at0mjust "prefer"? you gonna debug and help bullseye become a better next stable?
08:26.19at0magain, if you need to ask how, i'm doubt it's the right thing to do
08:26.28at0ms/i'm/i
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08:28.00at0mdpkg: tell Rabalidad about testing
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08:30.48at0mRabalidad: backports are an intermediate solution, where only specific newer packages are installed. usually that's used for specific features or fixes in these specific packages. an answer like "just cos i can", doesn't warrant the effort.
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08:36.42RabalidadI think there is no backport for the nvidia-driver
08:37.47at0mRabalidad: reason i'm advising against testing in this case, is that while testing may offer newer versions, also it's meant for testing: stuff breaks, and you get to keep all the pieces if stuff breaks. people who run testing are supposed to submit bug reports, and know how to put the pieces back together in order to get a working system again.
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08:38.41at0mso if you need to ask, i doubt you'll be able to recover in that case.
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08:40.15at0mRabalidad: instead, better search on the real problem you're facing, and try to fix that.
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08:41.01no_gravityWhen I start a bash shell with "bash", can I somehow insert an alias into it?
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08:41.26no_gravityI tried this, but then the shell exits: bash -c "alias x='echo x'"
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08:43.21Rabalidad@at0m thanks for your advice, due to the nature of my work I need close to latest nvidia drivers possible, and I want to have them provided by debian instead of the .run file at nvidia webpage, that is why I consider moving to testing
08:43.32eightyone_I’ve been having issues with other distros and I think I may go back to Debian. Are you guys all firm Debian believers ?
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08:44.30at0m,v nvidia-driver
08:44.31juddPackage: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.116-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.74-1; bullseye/non-free: 430.50-2; sid/non-free: 430.50-2; experimental/non-free: 440.26-1
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08:46.17Rabalidadnvidia-driver is a bit old, 418.74, my colleagues are using much newer
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08:48.12at0mRabalidad: dpkg told you where to go for that
08:48.25at0moops sorry was PgUp'd
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09:09.15Rabalidad48oh look  today I am a lucky bastard, after dist-upgrade nvidia-smi says: NVIDIA-SMI 430.50       Driver Version: 430.50       CUDA Version: 10.1
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09:16.24at0mRabalidad48: now, does it do what you need it to do?
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09:16.52at0malso, for further support, #debian-next on OFTC
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09:17.06annadane,v nvidia-driver
09:17.07juddPackage: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.116-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.74-1; bullseye/non-free: 430.50-2; sid/non-free: 430.50-2; experimental/non-free: 440.26-1
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09:17.25annadaneyeah, uh, i hope you're not mixing sid with stable
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09:17.48annadane!frankendebian
09:17.48dpkgWhen you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess.  There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try.   Ask me about <reinstall>
09:18.38at0mannadane:  < Rabalidad> besides the issue I have I just noticed that I have stable and I prefer to have testing
09:18.45annadaneokay
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09:42.40np_completeI went to ask to nvidia and cuda channels, still have the same issue, can not run even a simple CUDA sample program even nvidia-smi says CUDA 10.1 enabled
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09:55.56np_completeI wonder if the cuda toolkit provided by debian is not working and I should get the CUDA toolkit from nvidia
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10:27.27np_completeI noticed that the module nvidia-uvm is not loaded, and if I try modprobe it, it returns no erro but lsmod does not list it, is not there
10:33.36ratracenp_complete: and dmesg?
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10:35.15np_completedmesg shows nothing regarding that morprobe
10:36.15ratracenp_complete: what about modprobe with -v or -nv ?
10:38.00np_completemodprobe returns no error, and does nothing
10:38.22ratracenp_complete: even with -v ?
10:38.35np_completeshows nothing
10:39.30np_completeonly wiers thing on my system is that I have also the legacy 390xx drivers installed
10:40.02np_completeshould I do "apt remove --purge *nvidia*" and then install nvidia-driver again?
10:40.35annadanedoes anyone know if flatpak's new version is due to make it into debian earlier than the day 10.2 gets released? it's mentioned in the point release that it'll be included but i thought point releaes are also just cumulative of stuff that's come before
10:40.36ratracenp_complete: I have no idea then, sorry. that's unusual of modprobe to not do anything and stay silent about it, even with -v
10:40.59annadaneor rather it's mentioned in the email of the point release
10:41.07ratracenp_complete: because it should either error out, or show "insmod" line with -v
10:41.16np_completeI will try to remove all purge, and then install nvidia-driver again, wish me luck
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10:41.35np_completesome people suggest me to move to Ubuntu 18.04 but I do not want,.
10:42.30unknown_Who can unsolve this?
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10:43.03kadiro?
10:43.05annadaneunknown_, this is not a cryptography channel
10:43.09annadanedo you have a debian question?
10:43.09ratraceannadane: well the SUA mentions flatpak, but not the version
10:43.11unknown_74123 74123698 74123
10:43.25kadirohmm spamming
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10:44.03annadanewell whatever, i'm sure i can wait until friday
10:44.15ratracesaturday :)
10:44.15annadanei considered using stable-proposed-updates but i don't want to start that stuff
10:44.22annadaneyeah saturday
10:45.01ratraceannadane: current version in p-u is 1.2.5-0+deb10u1  so I'm guessing that's coming with 10.2
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10:45.40ratraceat least, according to this (I'm not sub'd the p-u repo):  https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/flatpak
10:45.50annadanepoint releases are always a bit weird, they're meant to be something people can use for offline debian installs as a cumulative "here's everything you missed" but they're also used as real, "let's bundle eveything together to release on one day" things
10:49.27ratraceAND they bring new stuff even if you updated religiously up until that saturday
10:49.50ratraceferinstance, they bring ZFS slowdowns!            (still butthurt about it, obvs)
10:50.41annadaneto be fair it kind of does have to be standardized a bit
10:50.48annadanenot every piece of software follows the same release track
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10:53.37annadaneand also screw nvidia. i'm going to get AMD soon and then won't have to worry about "an old nvidia-driver versus the one in backports" or whatever
10:54.03annadanemy card stops being fully supported in 2021 anyway, i think, so time to abandon ship
10:54.23ratraceaye! and me also AMD cpu. I'm fed up all these Intel bugs.
10:54.32ratraceBlack friday? CPU me baby!
10:54.32annadaneyep, AMD for both
10:54.46ratraceryzzzzzen. preciousssss.
10:55.17annadaneyeah i just don't know what hardware to get so Stable supports it
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10:56.43np_completeso yeah, wiped out all *nvidia*, and installed then nvidia-driver and nvidia-cuda-toolkit
10:57.08np_completenvidia-msi says: NVIDIA-SMI 430.50       Driver Version: 430.50       CUDA Version: 10.1
10:57.28np_completebut sample apps do not work because tell that insufficient CUDA driver version
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10:59.30ratraceannadane: Imma put gentoo on it for maxxxxximum rice-up efficiency. no, actually, I am lol :)
10:59.46annadanegood for you, i have no patience to figure out how to install gentoo
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11:02.39np_completeHow to install CUDA using debian packet manager? am I missing something? I have installed nvidia-cuda-toolkit
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11:05.42usoThe version of firefox-esr on buster is older than the one on stretch, probably some timestamp. So it refuses to start with the existing profiles after upgrade to buster. Is there any way to force it to use the existing profiles?
11:06.33ratrace,v firefox-eser
11:06.34juddNo package named 'firefox-eser' was found in amd64.
11:06.34ratrace,v firefox-esr
11:06.35juddPackage: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.8.0esr-1~deb10u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 68.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 68.2.0esr-1~deb9u2; buster-proposed-updates: 68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 68.2.0esr-1;
11:06.36juddsid: 68.2.0esr-1+b1
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11:07.35yno:)
11:07.39usoratrace: the package version on buster is newer, but firefox inside of it apparently not (maybe later build date on stretch?), so firefox itself complains on start
11:07.46ratraceuso: what versions do you see? they're both supposed to be 68.2.0
11:08.11ratraceuso: firefox --version shows  Mozilla Firefox 68.2.0esr   for me
11:08.15ratrace(on buster)
11:08.15usoratrace: indeed, both are 68.2.0
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11:09.43ratraceGuest14192: set up your IRC client for SASL and stop risking your passwords like this ftw :)
11:10.04usonevertheless it complains and thinks that the profiles are from a newer version
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11:11.12usomessage on start: "Using an older version of Firefox can corrupt bookmarks ..." and the choices I have are "Create New Profile" and "Quit"
11:11.37ratraceweird.
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11:12.35usoI have about a dozen profiles and do not want to recreate them or can wait until a new firefox version arrives on buster
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11:15.37pradatiris that a way to prefix a cpu core dedicated to linux/subsystems ?
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11:30.12usoThe upgrade from stretch to buster aborted when configuring packages and told me: "APT had planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back" with a list of affected packages. Re-running apt-get dist-upgrade does nothing. Is there a way to automatically re-run the configuration step on the affected packages? Do I have to run a dpkg-reconfigure on each of these packages on my own? Or what can/should I do?
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11:32.24n_1-c_kuso, I saw that as a warning (prefixed with "W:") when installing etckeeper a while ago.  I used the problem solving skill of "ignore it" which seems to have worked.
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11:33.38uson_1-c_k: yes, the messages are warnings, I'm still a bit concerned that the affected packages are not completely or properly installed
11:34.02usois there a way to verify the proper installation of a package?
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11:34.41n_1-c_k'dpkg --status', I guess?
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11:35.30Fox'apt-get install -f' might solve a few problems too
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11:37.33uson_1-c_k: does dpkg --status really check the package installation? I rather think is only reports the status from the package DB
11:38.22usoFox: apt-get install -f also does nothing, I guess I also will ignore these warnings until I run into problems :)
11:39.06usoat least the system is booting and starting up normally so far
11:39.50n_1-c_kuso, such subtleties are beyond my ken I'm afraid.  If things are working you're probably fine.
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12:00.34MTB2019for auto updates do i have to modify the default config file ?\
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12:02.13ratraceMTB2019: you mean using the unattended-upgrades package?
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12:03.04MTB2019ratrace: yes
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12:04.33ratraceMTB2019: you don't have to modify it but you can tweak it under /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/...       And also keep in mind that it doesn't do all the security upgrades properly, ie. won't reboot your system and won't restart services on lib updates.
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12:05.27MTB2019ratrace: thats fine as i tend to shut down my pc when i leave or when i sleep
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12:06.56MTB2019ratrace: here is the content of the file. should i uncomment everything under ... Unattended-Upgrade::Origins-Pattern {
12:07.02MTB2019?
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12:08.23MTB2019would that be a good idea?
12:08.36ratrace!tell MTB2019 about unattended-upgrades
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12:09.32MTB2019ratrace: yeah sure i was reading that guy but still...
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12:21.26AndreasLutroI'm building a package which has a dependency. is it possible to add a pre-installation script which runs before my dependency's post-install script is invoked? something like pretrans in rpms?
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12:32.21eggplant_emojiAndreasLutro: Does that dependent package do something to your system that can't be undone when it gets to be your turn to postinst?
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12:35.54eggplant_emojipreinst sounds like it might be it. https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html#summary-of-ways-maintainer-scripts-are-called
12:36.57AndreasLutroeggplant_emoji: basically v1 of my package did something wrong and is preventing upgrade of my dependency because its postinst crashes, so I'm trying to find the best way to build a v2 of my package which fixes the issue before the dependency gets upgraded. preinst seems to be invoked after the dependency's postinst
12:37.53AndreasLutroso far best solution seems to be using prerm and checking if [ "$1" = 'upgrade' ]
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12:47.01AndreasLutrothat almost works, but unfortunately apt doesn't seem to re-read /etc/environment between my prerm script and the postinst of my dependency... I can't find a way to set an environment variable specifically for apt, nor a way to make apt re-read system environment variables
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12:49.22kunkkahi everyone
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12:54.13dob1hi, can I search files on subdirectories (just first level) which creation date is between a range=
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12:55.06ratracedob1: checked if find(1) has any options for date ranges?
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12:55.25dob1ratrace, I was thinking the same
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12:56.29thirashello. i'm trying to update from 9 to 10
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12:56.47thirasi've updated my source list and do update and upgrade and then dist-upgrade
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12:57.24thirasbut i'm getting Kernel must be upgraded This version of the GNU libc requires kernel version 3.2 or later. Please upgrade your kernel before installing glibc.
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13:00.05ratracethiras: and what's your kernel version?   uname -a
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13:06.11thirasi've found that it's openvz
13:06.16thirasit's impossible to upgrade 10
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13:07.05ratraceconsider switching away to way more modern hosting solution, than an openvz container that you can't upgrade, as you can see
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13:18.42ELFrederichWith RPM based package managers I can do proper source level modifications.  Is this possible on Debian?  By proper I mean there is a process and set of tools which gets the sources, applies the patches, and builds new .rpm files.
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13:20.15eggplant_emojiYes, it is possible.
13:20.16ayekatELFrederich: yes, but Debian has a fundamentally different approach to building packages than most other distributions
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13:20.36ayekatfor building debian packages, you maintain a downstream fork of the code
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13:21.03ayekatso the process of "applying patches" is not really part of the build process per-se
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13:22.24ELFrederichayekat: ahh... with RHEL based distros there is a .spec file which defines all patches and a command which applies them.  You end up with a source tree exactly as it was when the original build was made.  At that point you can add your own patch to the .spec file and build your own set of .rpm files
13:23.03ELFrederichayekat: I'm assuming Debian also applies patches?... or does this fork already contain the patches?
13:23.35ELFrederichFor reference: https://blog.packagecloud.io/eng/2015/04/20/working-with-source-rpms/
13:23.35ayekatELFrederich: debian does apply patches - the debian workflow is IMHO actually more suited for maintaining downstream patches
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13:23.52jellyELFrederich: sources and debian changes (including package building framework and any patches to source) are kept separate
13:24.03jelly!nmg
13:24.03dpkgThe packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging.  You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other.  Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>.  http://www.debian.org/devel/
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13:24.16dpkgYou can have apt download the <source package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a "deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian sid main" does NOT make any binary packages available. Ask me about <source> <package recompile> <ssb>; make sure the "build-essential" package is installed.  You might need linux-headers-$(uname -r) package installed.
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13:30.58ayekatELFrederich: the rpm specfile approach is similar to what pacman/portage/nix/apkg do - but it helps to ignore anything you know about packaging when approaching debian's way
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13:34.07annadaneapkg?
13:35.18ELFrederichayekat: thanks... I'll look at those
13:35.51usotorbrowser only gets me a black window on buster. It might have to do with using awesome as a window manager, but setting wmname to LG3D which helped for some java applications does not help for torbrowser. Any ideas?
13:38.02ScrulooseI'm looking for suggestions for what webserver to install for a modest home server (mostly for static content, making files available to friends, that sort of thing). Easy "let's encrypt" (certbot?) integration is highly desirable, and my #1 priority is minimum headaches with configuration and maintenance. Thoughts?
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13:38.51ayekatannadane: ah, apk, not apkg ^^ (alpine's package manager)
13:38.57FightingFalconWhats the best and simplest lazy load plugin for wordpress?
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13:43.22n_1-c_kScruloose, I use lighttpd, though I have no plans for "let's encrypt". Works well enough for me.
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13:44.21Scrulooseuso: my first thought is to try it on a more... traditional window manager, to see whether that's where the problem is coming from.
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13:53.39karlpincScruloose: Nginx is really simple to configure, although of course you have many features you _could_ configure.
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13:56.00Scruloosekarlpinc: As long as I'm not running with insecure/broken/stupid defaults by completely ignoring most of its capabilities, that could be a fine choice.
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13:57.51Scruloosen_1-c_k: I've looked at lighttpd and been tempted. It doesn't seem to have certbot support, but apparently it's fairly painless to do "let's encrypt" auto-renewal via a systemd timer, so that's not necessarily a deal-breaker.
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14:06.27ov3rmindhello great guys!
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14:07.18annadanehello linux77
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14:13.25FightingFalcon`find /var/www/wp-content -maxdepth 1 -type f \( -iname \*.jpeg -o -iname \*.jpg -o -iname \*.JPG -o -iname \*.png \)`
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14:13.39FightingFalconhow go i get the file names of this command WITHOUT directory names?
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14:13.57greycatif you're using -iname, it's already case-insensitive, so you don't have to use both *.jpg and *.JPG
14:14.59greycatthe easiest way to get "only the filenames" would be to cd /var/www/wp-content first, and then run "find . ..." instead of "find /var/www/wp-content ..."
14:15.51karlpincScruloose: The nginx defaults do nothing but serve static pages.  Hard to be insecure with that.
14:16.14FightingFalcongreycat, but i do run it from a script
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14:16.48greycatscripts can cd
14:16.50FightingFalconis there a way to file name from the input?
14:17.07greycatyou can use -printf and look up the option to print "only the basename of the file" in the manual
14:17.09FightingFalconextract***
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14:17.17greycatbut as I said, cd'ing first is the EASIEST
14:17.19karlpincScruloose: In the end, anything works.  I always figure as long as I'm learning something I may as well learn only one thing that will serve all my needs.  I've used lighttpd and like it too, but it's only suitable for some tasks.
14:18.08Scruloosekarlpinc: heh! fair enough. I just remember trying to set up Apache years ago and being confronted with a tree of, I dunno, hundreds? of config files. It was about as approachable as the cockpit of a jet-liner. That's what I want to avoid.
14:18.34karlpincScruloose: Apache's wack.  It grew like topsy, without a plan.
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14:19.59FightingFalconIm in the same directory but still directory  names appear :(
14:20.14greycatspecify . as the starting point
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14:20.32Scruloosekarlpinc: As long as I can extend it from the totally simple default setup in manageable little chunks, I'm inclined to favour your approach of learning one tool which can grow with me if need be.
14:20.52karlpincScruloose: Try and see.
14:20.55ratracegreycat: FightingFalcon: how about using basename on the result?   -exec basename {} \;   ?
14:21.19greycatratrace: -printf is a better choice as long as it doesn't need to run on non-Debian systems
14:21.33greycatbut cd and find . is still the easist, and is also 100% portable
14:21.40Scruloosekarlpinc: Can't argue with that!
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14:23.14FightingFalconratrace, i have no idea how to use that
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14:23.40greycatthat's fine, because it's not the best answer
14:23.47FightingFalcondo cwebp -quiet -q 80 ${x} -o /var/image${x}.webp;
14:23.53ratraceFightingFalcon: greycat has a point, you can use    -printf '%f\n'
14:23.55greycatQUOTES!!
14:24.04FightingFalconbtw whats wrong with this? it gives the error: line 3: $'\r': command not found
14:24.12greycatFightingFalcon: carriage returns from Windows/DOS
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14:24.17ratraceI keep forgetting find has a printf function
14:24.23karlpincScruloose: When I setup certbot I always do the "certonly --webroot /foo" type of setup.  It's a little more work but includes no voodoo.  You have to understand that webroot is where a http connection is allowed to connect, without https, and configure that for yourself.  IIRC the letsencrypt docs cover this.  If not then the acme protocol rfc.
14:24.24FightingFalconwhat carriage
14:24.37greycat\r is a carriage return character
14:24.42greycat!cr
14:24.42dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, cr is Costa Rica.  Carriage Return, or your fecking enter key ;)
14:24.47greycat*sigh*
14:24.50greycat/msg greybot cr
14:24.52dvsheh
14:24.57FightingFalconhuh
14:25.28FightingFalconso how do i correct it?
14:25.29karlpincScruloose: It's all about how the acme protocol works to validate you own the domain.
14:25.31greycatsome file was edited by a DOS/Windows application and the line endings are different from what Linux uses
14:25.45FightingFalconahhhhhhhhhh
14:25.46FightingFalconi got it
14:25.47FightingFalconthanks :d
14:25.47greycatAs greybot says, "See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/052"
14:26.18ratracewhy don't you invite the little robot here as well
14:26.30greycatwe already have more than enough bots here
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14:26.59boltneed more boats
14:27.05greycatdpkg, cr is also See <https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/052>
14:27.06dpkgokay, greycat
14:27.55Scruloosekarlpinc: That definitely sounds like it'
14:28.27Scrulooseoops, enter key != shift key
14:29.06karlpincScruloose: Using "certonly" you can setup for any webserver, not just the ones "supporting integration".
14:30.28karlpincScruloose: The nice thing about nginx is that you can leave the default configs untouched and do your configs in include files (in included directories).  That way you pick up any changes in the default configs as you upgrade the nginx package.
14:30.43Scruloosekarlpinc: sounds like it'll be helpful info--added to my notes file! My plan ultimately is to redirect all incoming http connections to https, and I definitely prefer solutions that minimize the amount of voodoo I don't understand. Especially security solutions.
14:31.30karlpincScruloose: The "trick" is to _not_ redirect to https that part of document root that is used by certbot.
14:31.31teclo-afternoon, everytime I try to use ntpdate to set the time on a machine, all I get is 14 Nov 15:30:56 ntpdate[6698]: no server suitable for synchronization found
14:31.50teclo-tried different servers
14:32.05teclo-be.pool.ntp.org
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14:32.11FightingFalconfind /var/www/paganx/wp-content -maxdepth 1 -type f \( -iname \*.jpeg -o -iname \*.jpg -o -iname \*.JPG -o -iname \*.png \)
14:32.12teclo-ntp.belnet.be
14:32.20FightingFalconthis command doesnt work if there is space in name file name :/
14:32.37greycatFightingFalcon: you did not listen to a SINGLE THING we told you.  *plonk*
14:32.41greycatNext!
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14:32.55FightingFalconhuh
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14:33.47karlpincteclo-: Can it talk to the servers?  (Can you ping?) Is there something blocking the ntp ports?  (use hping or some such to test)  Is there anything else in the logs?
14:33.47Scruloosekarlpinc: Oh! yes, good! So unattended-upgrades can actually do some good. (also, noted re: certbot's part of document root. Thanks!)
14:34.12teclo-karlpinc: to me it can talk to the servers, yes
14:34.18teclo-I'll check by pinging
14:34.40teclo-yeah the pings go through
14:35.07teclo-karlpinc: which log should I look ?
14:35.16karlpincteclo-: Ping is only the most basic level of connectivity.  Next you need to check if traffic goes through to that port.
14:35.34karlpincteclo-: /var/log/syslog (usually) has everything but security sensitive stuff.
14:36.01teclo-karlpinc: ok checking
14:36.02karlpincteclo-: "ntpq -p" might be useful.
14:36.37karlpincteclo-: ntpq might be able to do other diagnostics too.
14:37.15teclo-hm ntpq isn't there.. I guess I need to apt install ntpstat, right ?
14:37.28greycat,file bin/ntpq
14:37.30FightingFalconomg
14:37.33FightingFalconplease help me
14:37.34juddSearch for bin/ntpq in buster/amd64: ntp: usr/bin/ntpq; ntpsec: usr/bin/ntpq
14:37.46greycateither ntp, or ntpsec, apparently
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14:39.43teclo-ok ntp installed
14:40.03teclo-ntpq -p shows four remote servers starting with debian.pool.n
14:40.03FightingFalconWill you help me before i start harming myself?
14:40.15teclo-and I can't see the rest of the hostname
14:40.32annadane...you got addressed by greycat
14:40.39annadaneand no new information since then
14:41.31greycatteclo-: the .POOL. entries are just an indicator that it'll look for one or more hosts in that pool.  The individual hosts are listed later.
14:41.45teclo-greycat: ah thank you
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14:43.39jellyFightingFalcon: avoid making comments about self-harm, that won't be tolerated in here
14:44.42teclo-well it appears now I've got a  ntp server running
14:44.49teclo-but ntpdate server still fails
14:45.00greycatTo recap, I told FightingFalcon that they don't need to repeat *.jpg and *.JPG when they're using -iname, and then ratrace and I gave them THREE options for how to get to their desired solution, zero of which were used in their example right before I /ignored.
14:45.25greycat!ntpdate
14:45.25dpkgntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via <NTP>.  Just install the ntp package instead.  Since Debian 5.0 "Lenny", ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary.  See also <why not ntpdate>.
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14:50.19B|ack0phi
14:50.24B|ack0pnewly installed debian 10
14:50.39B|ack0pi edited /etc/apt/sources.list for non-free
14:50.53B|ack0pbut when i run update and full-upgrade nothng installed
14:51.13B|ack0pi need to get intel wireless please
14:51.28jellyB|ack0p: that is fine.  Nothing will happen until you explicitely ask apt to install.
14:51.28B|ack0phow can i do?
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14:51.41B|ack0pthx jelly
14:51.48B|ack0pthis is X61s not X40
14:52.04B|ack0pso it will handle 64bit debian 10 fine
14:52.11B|ack0pjust i dont know how to setup wifi
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14:54.34greycatFigure out what your device (chipset) is, then find instructions for how to handle that specific device, then follow general instructions for how to configure a wireless interface.
14:55.27B|ack0pintel wifi 3495
14:55.48greycatEither "lspci -nn" or "lsusb" is typically the first step in identifying the actual chipset.
14:56.46towo^workapt instell firmware-iwlwifi
14:56.50B|ack0phere is lspci : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3vXgsZVvqY/
14:57.02teclo-greycat: ah thank you, I didn't know ntpdate was "legacy"
14:57.09teclo-or well, obsolete even
14:57.12greycatugh, is that the site where you have to register to view the raw paste?
14:57.34greycatoh, hmm, curl-ing it is close enough to raw that I can read it
14:57.46B|ack0ptowo^work great thank you
14:57.54greycat03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection [8086:4227] (rev 02)
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14:58.11greycat,pciid 8086:4227
14:58.12judd[8086:4227] is 'PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'iwl3945', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4227 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy
14:58.48greycathttp://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy says to install the firmware-iwlwifi package.
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15:03.15B|ack0pback on wifi :p
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15:03.32B|ack0pi didnt install any window manager just debian
15:03.39B|ack0pi mean i left it default
15:03.51B|ack0pso now how can i install gnome shell and gnome classic look please?
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15:06.50greycat"gnome classic look" sounds like "mate", right?
15:07.00greycat!install mate
15:07.00dpkgTo install <MATE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install mate-desktop-environment» (for more things, also install mate-desktop-environment-extras).  To install using Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "MATE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue".
15:07.20B|ack0pgreycat: not really
15:07.22zenpacIs there a standard/preferred way to install docker on 10.1? I see conflicting advisement on mr. google.
15:07.28B|ack0pi want plain gnome classic look
15:07.30greycatThen, you want GNOME 3.x?
15:07.33greycat!install gnome
15:07.33dpkgTo install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended).  You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>.  https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome
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15:08.40jellyB|ack0p: if you have 2GB or less RAM on that X61s, you might want something a bit more lean than Gnome, but Gnome might probably work as well
15:08.54B|ack0pjelly: 8gb ram
15:08.56greycatYou can try it and see how it goes.
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15:09.10B|ack0pgreycat: it says task-gnome-desktop already installed
15:09.20jellyB|ack0p: oh, that's nice then
15:09.29B|ack0pjelly: ddr2 but fine :p
15:09.42B|ack0pit was rare 2x4gb ddr2 sticks
15:10.29B|ack0pi regret not installing it at the beginning :S
15:10.30B|ack0pgrrr
15:10.50B|ack0phow can i install gnome xcfe and xde and others ?
15:11.02B|ack0pmaybe it is better to reinstall everything
15:11.17B|ack0pi mean all those packs offered in debian installation
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15:13.37greycatYou could run tasksel.
15:13.47B|ack0pok brb
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15:20.02teclo-afternoon I'm a regular user of Debian GNU/Linux and I just clean installed 10.1 on my new server... I noticed that in text-mode the screen blanking has gone... is that a feature ? Is that because nowadays "most people use a LCD/LED screen" ?
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15:21.37Rybladegraphical login is not working in my fresh buster install
15:21.59Rybladei chose Plasma as my DE in tasksel, didn't choose any other DEs.  on first boot, i'm at the console instead of SDDM.
15:22.24Rybladesystemctl says sddm.service is active and running, but it isn't.
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15:22.39greycatDoes startx work?
15:22.42Rybladestartx works fine, yeah
15:22.54greycatTried Ctrl-Alt-F7 and Ctrl-Alt-F1?
15:23.01Rybladeyeah, nothing's on F7
15:23.17RybladeF1 is just another console TTY
15:23.18greycatThen I guess the next step would be "journalctl -u sddm"
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15:24.36Rybladejust five lines, the typical Starting and Started are the first two, followed by Initializing... Starting... Logind interface found
15:25.05Rybladehold on, i'll get it on a pastebin
15:25.32greycatI've got some stretch systems that run kde/sddm and there's a whole lot more in journalctl.
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15:25.55greycathttp://paste.wooledge.org/401
15:27.20Rybladehttp://ix.io/21BO
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15:27.55greycatI don't know what that means.  Google it?
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15:29.31B|ack0phi again
15:29.43B|ack0phow can i install memtest86 and add in grub menu?
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15:32.21greycatRyblade: first google result I get is from Arch, and they claim they needed to "add radeon module to initramfs".  Dunno if that's relevant on Debian.
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15:32.47gladioacutohi
15:32.48Rybladeyeah greycat i just finished reading that myself, and i just happened to have installed a radeon, too.
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15:32.54Rybladei think that may be the culprit
15:33.13Rybladegonna investigate further.
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15:33.44gladioacutoI am trying to use add ons in firefox-esr on my debian buster, but I get no updated version errors. But firefox-esr in Debian is at build number 68 and the required one is 48. How to solve?
15:34.32greycatFind a different add-on that achieves the goal.
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15:35.12gladioacutogreycat, e.g. tg and whatsapp do not have another addon achieving the same goal
15:35.36greycatgoogles ... oh, "tg" is this "telegram" thing
15:36.36greycathttps://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tg/versions/ says "works with firefox 53.0 and later"
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15:40.30Lopeis mariadb functionally a replacement for mysql?
15:40.34greycatyes
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15:41.59Haohmaruyou're all cheating on mysql with this maria
15:42.09teclo-ok so regarding that screen blanking disabled by default on Debian 10.1 ... is that a feature ?
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15:44.46Lopegreycat, my LXC container gave errors at the end of installing mariadb-server. Should I be worried? https://hastebin.com/avihivomem.sql
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15:45.11Lopeit's an unprivleged LXC container.
15:45.35Lopemariadb service is running
15:45.43Lopeso it couldn't have gone that badly.
15:46.34lunchslutanyone here happen to multilingual and take advantage for ibus/uim fcitx or something for input method swithcing? ibu used to be all I neeeded, but quit working for me on 10.1
15:46.50lunchsluti'eve go no diea how to begin debugin it
15:46.54lunchslutIt is reproducible thuogh
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15:59.08KungFuJesusis it normal on debian testing for /etc/os-release to indicate you're on sid?
16:00.02jellyyes, KungFuJesus
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16:01.33lunchslutdoes anyone know why OFTC debian doesnt permit tor-sasl users? I understand the inherent comlications, but a DSBL could be used with expemtions added. Not everyone want to connecto IRC in teh clear
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16:02.11lunchsluti'd ask there but i banned for reason above :<
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16:18.41Rybladehey greycat, just wanted to pop back in and say thanks, i've got SDDM working now
16:18.49greycatwhat did you have to do?
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16:19.19Rybladei had to install some more packages related to my video card.
16:19.37Rybladefound an article on the wiki relating to ATI/AMD cards, followed the Buster directions, bob's your uncle
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16:21.21B|ack0pon gnome-classic mode how can i disable dock that when i move the pointer at left-top corner?
16:21.24Rybladethis one https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
16:21.50Rybladeturns out i needed firmware that isn't included by default, probably licencing reasons
16:22.09Rybladeanyway, take care
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16:24.11B|ack0pwhen i move the cursor at left-top dock is appearing
16:24.14B|ack0pannoying
16:24.24B|ack0pi already have applications at top-bar on gnome classic
16:24.29B|ack0phow can i disable that dock?
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16:34.02jellylunchslut: I _think_ the workaround is to authenticate your NickServ user (with CertFP) and then you get a different cloak, but I'm not 100% sure that applies correctly to Tor connections
16:34.32jellylunchslut: #oftc channel over there might know.
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16:35.39jellylunchslut: in other words, you can't be both Tor and anonymous at the same time, you need to be pseudonymous, so we are able to ban your ass if you misbehave
16:36.58jellytor-sasl ought to work
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16:40.57thalllFOTOS EROTICAS REGISTRATE GRATIS HTTPS://QUEQUIERESTU.NET
16:41.19B|ack0phuh
16:42.46lunchslutjelly: understanably, i jsut figured it was similar to tor that you get a /tor-sasl/username cloak that is bannable
16:43.06lunchslutand given that debian hosts hidden service mirriso i didn think it'd be restrictive :)
16:43.14lunchslutill make sure im registered
16:43.19jellylunchslut: from #oftc, <pastly> (1) oftc doesn't support sasl. (2) registered and verified users can enable their cloak and get into anti-tor rooms with their cloak on
16:44.02lunchslutdamn, bummer. OK
16:44.11lunchslutthanks for looking into it for e
16:44.16kadiroo.O
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16:44.40jellylunchslut: CertFP is probably good enough, look at that
16:44.54ctrlriscis there a way to extract xar archives in linux other than using xar, which is long out of date and unbuildable? Google is giving me nothing, and I'm wondering if I'm missing something
16:45.21jellyctrlrisc: this is the first time I've heard of xar, do you have an example file?
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16:46.00ctrlriscjelly: uh. well, I'm trying to extract some fonts from apple, apparently they use it for making pkg files
16:46.43ctrlriscas far as I can tell, Google created it back in 2007, then apple started using it in OSX, and the last update to the code on github was 7 years ago
16:46.53jellyoh, do you have an example file that you can legally share?
16:46.56ctrlriscit uses libssl1.0, which isn't available anymore
16:47.05ctrlrischang on, there's a link on apple's site
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16:47.33ctrlrischttps://developer.apple.com/fonts/
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16:48.16ctrlriscI downloaded the SF Mono font, which comes as a DMG. I used 7zip to extract it, which gives a pkg, while file says is an xar archive
16:48.26ctrlrisc$ file SF\ Mono\ Fonts.pkg
16:48.28ctrlriscSF Mono Fonts.pkg: xar archive version 1, SHA-1 checksum
16:48.47uniqdomgetting the md5sum of a big file turns my system unresponsive. what could be the problem?
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16:49.17jellyctrlrisc: you can set up a debian 8 chroot if you have a binary that requires libssl.so.1.0.0, install libssl1.0.0 and run it in there
16:49.17uniqdomit's a i7 with 16GB
16:49.27ctrlriscI wish I understood autoconf scripts, I can't figure out why this isn't detecting openssl libs tho. The function it's trying to check for exists still, and I got a test program to compile
16:49.29uniqdomcould it be the io scheduler of the hdd?
16:49.48kadirouniqdom, see what dmesg gives you
16:49.51HEX0any idea which debian could it be if uname returns "3.2.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.102-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux"
16:49.58jelly!debian suite
16:49.58dpkgcat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc).  Or check /etc/apt/sources.list.  If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
16:50.00jellyHEX0: ^
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16:50.06ctrlriscjelly: woof. Heh I think I'm going to just not bother. I got linked to those fonts on a reddit post and was just curious
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16:50.55jellyctrlrisc: and googling "unpack apple fonts on linux" does not yield useful results?
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16:50.56HEX0jelly: thanks it says wheezy
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16:51.05uniqdomkadiro: there are no messages related to this. the last message was about a USB mouse connected early in the morning, and the system becoming unresponisve was a few minutes ago.
16:51.07jellyHEX0: that's Debian 7, wheezy
16:52.16kadiroah you already said that the file is big, it could be that
16:53.29uniqdomthe io scheduler selected for this hdd is [mq-deadline]
16:53.49ctrlriscjelly: not for this case. "xar linux build" and any variant just mentions installing libssl1.0-dev which used to exist but not anymore. I'd like to ideally fix the xar code to build with openssl1.1 so that we have that tool for the future
16:53.58HEX0jelly: is there wheezy specific documentation which covers default logger init and everything specific to it?
16:54.01jellyuniqdom: which debian release is this?  running md5sum on a single file should not cause responsiveness issues.  Maybe if the file is on a USB2 external device and you're really unlucky with drivers.
16:54.31uniqdomi'm on testing
16:54.33jellyctrlrisc: I'd build it in a jessie or stretch chroot.
16:54.41greycatHEX0: wheezy used sysvinit, and only had a "technology preview" of systemd.  It's highly likely you're just using regular sysvinit from the good old days.
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16:55.02jellydpkg, tell HEX0 about wheezy release notes
16:55.31jellyuniqdom: what does "uname -a" say?
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16:56.02HEX0and for daemon supervisor?
16:56.11B|ack0phow can i disable/remove gnome dock please?
16:56.28greycatHEX0: are you asking "how does sysvinit work?"  Poorly.
16:56.29jellyHEX0: there is no daemon supervisor by default.
16:56.42greycatlegacy init.d shell scripts
16:56.55greycatmultiple layers of bolted-on cruft
16:57.08HEX0greycat: I'm just sshed into foreign server trying to figure it out
16:57.11uniqdomjelly: Linux ares 5.2.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.2.17-1 (2019-09-26) x86_64 GNU/Linux
16:57.15jellyHEX0: sysvinit does not do that.  You can set up your own with tools like "monit" or replace functionality with "runit" or "daemontools"
16:57.17ctrlriscjelly: that would solve the immediate problem, but I'm just amazed that this code has gone completely unmaintained. I'm going to poke around with rewriting it to not depend on openssl1.0
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16:57.50jellyctrlrisc: that probably just says people who switched to OSX do not care about switching back
16:58.45jellyuniqdom: that looks like testing alright.  Ask in the right channel, maybe file a bug report esp. if it happens on multiple systems.
16:58.49jelly!debian-next
16:58.50dpkg#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode.  If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
16:58.55jellyuniqdom: ^ the right channel
16:59.00uniqdomok thanks
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17:03.34elm_can anyone tell me what desktop environment debian-live-10.1.0-amd64-standard+nonfree.iso employs?
17:03.46greycatNone?
17:03.51elm_it is neither xfce, nor gnome, nor cinnamon
17:04.00elm_https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.1.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/
17:04.01greycatThat would be my guess, anyway.  If that's not correct, ask the #debian-live channel on OFTC.
17:04.23elm_yes, you will be right
17:04.57karlpincctrlrisc: As long as you're going to maintain it, you might consider using libressl instead of openssl.  I'm not advocating libressl, but am also not advocating openssl.
17:05.45jellykarlpinc: is libressl in debian?
17:06.05elm_you mean irc.debian.org?
17:06.06karlpincjelly: I _thought so.  Lemme look.
17:06.18elm_I need to know the password for the screen saver as well
17:06.23greycatwooledg:~$ host irc.debian.org
17:06.23greycatirc.debian.org is an alias for irc.geo.oftc.net.
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17:06.36greycat!live password
17:06.36dpkgi heard live password is The debian-live images have a user account configured for you to use. username: user ; password: live
17:06.58jellydpkg, literal live password
17:06.58dpkg"live password" is "The debian-live images have a user account configured for you to use. username: user ; password: live"
17:07.20jellydpkg, live password =~ s/The/<reply>The/
17:07.20dpkgOK, jelly
17:07.32karlpincjelly: Guess not.  So much for that.
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17:10.37FightingFalconI want to make a script so that whenever i upload a jpg file to a specified directory, the script will convert the jpg file. is this possible?
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17:12.44jellyFightingFalcon: yes, it's possible
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17:13.13jellyI suspect you'll have another question immediately after that answer, tho
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17:14.28FightingFalconno no, i need tips
17:14.41jellyFightingFalcon: ##programming is over there however -> or if it involves web services, maybe try #web
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17:18.21ctrlrisckarlpinc: from what I can see so far, I think this archiver only uses ssl for the MD5 code. I'm pretty sure I can pull that from somewhere else
17:18.24jellyFightingFalcon: free general hint: you can separate the problem into functional blocks and then attack them one at a time eg. 1) how to detect a new file in a directory 2) how to make sure the file is complete and not still being uploaded 3) how to find out which file(s) are new and which have been dealt with already 3) how to do the desired conversion on a file
17:18.53ctrlrisckarlpinc: the whole of SSL is a nightmare, I'd rather just completely remove any dependency on it or any derivation thereof
17:18.56B|ack0phow can i solve this problem? bluetooth hci0: firmware: failed to load brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e6.hcd (-2)
17:19.14FightingFalcono m
17:19.16FightingFalcono my god
17:19.19FightingFalconim a newbie
17:19.36jellyFightingFalcon: we were ALL newbies once, that's okay
17:19.49jellyjudd: file brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e6.hcd
17:19.54juddNo packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
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17:20.46karlpincFightingFalcon: incron can be useful for isolating processing from a webserver.
17:20.47jellyFightingFalcon: don't get panicked, programming is not hard, but it requires some focus and perseverance
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17:21.13jellyand it should probably be taught in elementary schools, these days
17:21.35jellybut it's still out of scope for an operating system / distro channel
17:21.38karlpincFightingFalcon: And you need to do things like learn to use an editor, understand file system permissions, and so forth before you can really get started.
17:21.56jellythey don't need to "understand file system permissions" to get STARTED
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17:23.33karlpincjelly: Well, ok.  No.  Before putting a web page on the web though you'd better be sure that the whole world does not have write permissions to it.
17:23.42FightingFalcon...
17:25.10karlpincThere's just an annoying number of yaks to shave is my point.
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17:26.18B|ack0pbluetooth issue fixed
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17:27.11ratraceeven better: before you deploy a linux server onto public internet, you better be sure you know what you're doing, or else you'll get pwn'd and then your box will be used to attack mine, and I don't like that.
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17:30.59karlpincFightingFalcon: The whole point is to do stuff, which means making mistakes.  So don't sweat it.
17:31.27jellybut also, ask in the right place for the question
17:32.04FightingFalconthanks karlpinc
17:32.06karlpincFirst ask your distro, then ask the original software authors, then go looking for advice from random strangers on the net.
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17:41.55lunchslutjelly: Damn, even CertFP didn't help. :( Looks like they just baned all hostnames *tor-dnsbl* but thanks for the suggestions :)
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17:43.05jackalhello, why apt rei<TAB> doesnt autocomplete to reinstall and how to fix it?
17:43.17jackalrunning testing with bash as shell
17:43.27lunchslutoh but nevermind, i can get a public cloak it seems
17:43.43jellylunchslut: talk to oftc NickServ about getting a per-user cloak, activate that cloak, and try again
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17:44.37jellylunchslut: and try not to act surprised when you finally join official #debian and it's less than half the size of this one
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17:56.27karlpincjackal: Are you pressing tab twice?
17:56.52karlpinc(In case there's more than one autocomplete.)
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17:57.33mutanteno, i can confirm the issue he describes. autocomplete does not work for "apt reinstall" while it DOES work for "apt <something else>"
17:57.50mutantejust "apt <tab>" by itself also shows all the options but not "reinstall"
17:58.09mutantei am also wondering now where to fix that
17:58.34greycatThat would be in the bash-completion stuff, which is either shipped in the apt package, or in the bash-completion package.
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17:59.08karlpincmutante: Somewhere there's a giant completion database.  I suspect that the way to fix it is to use a backported newer version.  Hopefully it's just data and painless to backport.
17:59.16greycathttp://paste.wooledge.org/402
17:59.18jackalkarlpinc, more than once or twice ;)
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18:00.05mutanteaha, so for apt it is in the apt package and NOT in the separate autocompletion package. interesting
18:00.48jackalhow come no one reported this or its not fixed when it documented in its manpage
18:00.57greycat!siyh
18:00.57dpkghmm... siyh is Sooner If You Help.  How?  http://qa.debian.org/ , http://wiki.debian.org/BSP
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18:01.05mutante" # supported options per command" "--reinstall --solver"
18:01.29mutantejackal: see in /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/apt
18:01.42jackalmutante, aware of that but reinstall alone is shorter :P
18:01.42mutantejackal: nobody reported it yet? i guess you should use "reportbug" on apt package
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18:02.26jackalim not 100% sure its not reported, i only assumed that since its not fixed
18:02.35mutantejackal: somebody forgot to add "reinstall" to line 73?
18:02.37greycat*snort*
18:02.54karlpinc!stable
18:02.54dpkg[stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Buster (10.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable
18:03.03greycatNon-security bug fixing tends to be glacially slow
18:03.04mutantegreycat: what does that comment mean?
18:03.04karlpincIt won't get fixed until the next major release.
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18:03.25greycatkarlpinc: *if* it's reported, and *if* the maintainer of that particular package happens to care enough
18:03.36jellykarlpinc: surely it's the software authors that best know which completable options and parameters there are for their executables, not some giant database
18:03.44jackalkarlpinc, good point! i dont have stable running, curious if anyone running it can confim?
18:03.47jackalconfirm*
18:04.04mutantejackal: confirmed on buster
18:04.08jackalroger
18:04.58karlpincjelly: Poor wording.  The giant db is built of smaller units.  It's only giant on a running box.
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18:05.25karlpincjelly: Anyway, you're right.  The db isn't separate from the software.
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18:06.31karlpinc(So there won't be something separate to backport.)
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18:08.08jackalmutante, so if i add reinstall to line 73, how to make it work? sourcing that file or /etc/bash_complete doesnt change anything
18:08.52mutantejackal: i dont know either. i just tried and also saw no difference when i expected one :(
18:09.03greycatThere's a small #bash-completion channel on OFTC.
18:09.20karlpincjackal: If you mess with that file it will likely get overwritten next time the package is updated.
18:09.50karlpincjackal: (I've not looked, but seems likely.)
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18:10.14mutanteit sure seems like you would want to add it to the "local COMMANDS=(" (line 38) but did not work for me
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18:10.57FightingFalconkarlpinc i made the script with inotifywait
18:11.16mutanteyea, messing with that file would be overwritten by package reinstall but at least you could already make a suggested patch to fix it
18:13.07jackalmutante, i figured it out
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18:13.22karlpincFightingFalcon: Note that inotify is not guarenteed.  You'll need to run a cron job or something to cleanup just in case it misses an event.
18:13.34jackaladd "reinstall" to line 42
18:13.40jellymutante, jackal: you can use dpkg-divert to make package upgrades not overwrite your custom file
18:14.02karlpincFightingFalcon: (In actual practice, it will always work.  Until it doesn't.  :)
18:14.03jellyif it's not a conffile
18:14.13mutantejackal: ah, i did that too but just failed to "source" it. works :)
18:14.22jackalyep
18:14.37FightingFalconkarlpinc, for some reason .sh script gives error about #!/bin/bash
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18:15.48LopeI resolved the problem I was having with the unprivleged container earlier if anyone's interested. I had accidentally clobbered the ownership of everything to UID 100000
18:16.13Cyb0tiOh my... Thanks for the info
18:17.09Lopebbl
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18:21.45FightingFalconkarlpinc, so this bash script will turn off when i close the terminal window right?
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18:23.30currybullenis using the esp as the boot partition generally a thing in debian?
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18:26.01jellycurrybullen: no
18:26.27jellyseparate /boot and /boot/efi (where ESP gets mounted to in Linux)
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18:28.03currybullenso if i have something like sda1 (esp), sda2 (boot partition) and sd3 (root partition), sda1 would be mounted at /boot and sda2 at /boot/efi?
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18:29.14Habbiecurrybullen, you mixed 1 and 2 up
18:29.35currybullenah, right
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18:50.46karlpincFightingFalcon: Unless you use "nohup".  But that's probably not the right way to do it.  Likely, you either want a systemd service or a cron job.
18:51.24greycatnohup is a vestigial command, serving virtually no purpose in this century
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18:53.01revolutionaryis there any resource about installing encrypted physical volume on EFI systems? I couldn't find
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18:56.49revolutionaryon Buster
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18:58.26karlpincrevolutionary: Why would EFI matter?
19:00.14revolutionarykarlpinc: i want to use EFI's secure feature
19:00.23revolutionaryis this unnecessary?
19:01.18karlpincrevolutionary: Depends on the threat model.  You probably want to install the cryptsetup package and read its readme.debian.
19:01.21karlpinc!readme.debian
19:01.21dpkgREADME.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
19:02.00karlpincrevolutionary: Otherwise, read the install guide.
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19:02.33revolutionarykarlpinc: actually no. i want to install encrypted Debian Buster with debian-installer on UEFI BIOS.
19:03.33karlpincrevolutionary: Then read the buster install guide.
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19:04.22revolutionarykarlpinc: where is it? I couldn't find EFI installing steps with encrypted install
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19:06.08karlpincI don't know offhand and can't look now.
19:06.15revolutionaryi se
19:06.17revolutionarysee*
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19:06.48ws2k3so i have a few vpn client. when they open the vpn tunnel they see this error /sbin/ip addr add dev tun0 172.15.145.232/24 broadcast 172.15.145.255
19:06.48ws2k3Error: Invalid prefix for given prefix length. what could this be?
19:06.52choiceHello! I have a VM that is supposed to have 50GB of disk space. But in "df -h" I only see 28GB mounted to / and some other very small devices. Where is the rest? How do I find out?
19:07.07revolutionaryif someone knows that would be great. Thanks
19:07.19telmichchoice: try fdisk -l
19:08.21karlpincrevolutionary: Start here: https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI
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19:09.04choicetelmich: Thanks. That shows me a sda of 50GiB, sda1 with 487M and sda2 with 29.5G. Where are the other 20GB?
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19:09.33greycatunpartitioned, it sounds like
19:09.35karlpincws2k3: It means you have bits set in the host part of your network mask.  232 turns on bits to the right of bit 24.
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19:10.02karlpincws2k3: You probably want 172.15.145.0/24
19:10.17choicegreycat: So they give you a 50G disk with 20 G unpartitioned?
19:10.26greycatwho's "they"
19:10.39B|ack0plagg
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19:10.48annadanethe demons
19:11.03choicegreycat: The provider.
19:11.28ws2k3karlpinc hmm. no i dont think so. in my openvpn server i have this ifconfig-push 172.15.145.232 255.255.255.0 which tells the vpn client the ip it should use
19:11.51Ankmanchoice: may be when installed on a windows pc the missing part consists of the hidden partiton of the windows installation partition?
19:12.20Ankmanfdisk -l might show it
19:12.43choiceAnkman: It is a Linux VM.
19:12.55Ankmandang
19:13.55karlpincchoice: Google for SSD write amplification.  That could be why.  Although 20G unused seems twice what'd be required worst case.
19:14.19choicekarlpinc: What is that?
19:14.23karlpincws2k3: I don't recall the syntax, but that's your problem.
19:15.05karlpincchoice: It means that hardware is designed for marketing reasons.
19:15.47jellyws2k3: shouldn't you upgrade to ws2k12r2
19:15.50jellyhides
19:15.52Ankmanchoice: it might also be possible your VM does not show the Linux partition. i would't worry about this
19:15.59revolutionarykarlpinc: that page is not that i am looking for. Thanks, reserved
19:16.42choiceAnkman: How do I check that?
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19:19.37Ankmanchoice: use the linux host, open a shell and type df
19:20.34choiceAnkman: https://pastebin.com/raw/yRmAT4gW
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19:22.52Ankmanchoice: looks like linux has 474730 available
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19:23.29somiajdf -h will give you more readable numbers (like MB, GB, etc)
19:23.32choiceAnkman: What does that mean?
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19:23.48somiajchoice: it is the number of bytes avaiable, though add a -h for more reasonable numbers.
19:23.55Ankmanyour VM seems not to see the full partition. suppose that's normal to no worry about it
19:24.20choiceAnkman: "see the full partition"?
19:24.20Ankmanyou see in your VM only the space you allocated to it
19:25.14Ankmanwhich is less than you have available on Linux itself. suppose that's normal and i would not worry about it
19:25.34choiceAnkman: I don't understand. How do I get the full 50GB?
19:25.56choiceI noticed bacause I tried to create a 20GB file in / and it failed because "no more space on device".
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19:29.51Ankmanchoice: your /dev/sda1 has 474730 (almost 50) available. you might have assigned a smaller portion the the OS running in the VM. the OS in the VM cannot see how much space the host has available, which is a good thing
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19:30.49rander2hello all
19:31.17jellyAnkman: that's a 500MB /boot, it's not problematic
19:32.00Ankmansda1 should have 35 GB bytes available. no idea why 20GB allocated to the VM weren't not enough though
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19:32.31jellychoice: since you have LVM, you can use "vgs" to see if there's free space in the volume group.  You can also use "lsblk" for a quick overview of how disk space is sliced up.
19:32.46rander2I'm going to reinstall debian, how may I copy a list of all installed packets, and replay it into new installation ?
19:32.55greycat!clone debian
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19:33.00greycat...
19:33.10greycat!debian clone
19:33.10dpkgOne method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile".  Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade".  Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>.
19:33.15jelly!pal greycat
19:33.16dpkgpoints at greycat and laughs hysterically
19:33.28choicejelly: Well, I guess I first have to enlarge /dev/sda2 to use all 50GB
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19:33.59jellychoice: sorry, I missed the /dev/sda and /dev/sda2 sizes if you have shown them.
19:33.59rander2thx greycat
19:34.22Ankmanrander2: try Clonezilla
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19:34.29choicejelly: sda2 is 30GB and hosts the lvm shit.
19:35.20jellychoice: good.  You can grow that partition, reboot, then grow the lvm PV, then grow the lvm LV and filesystem
19:35.47rander2Ankman,  clonezilla is to clone disks or patitions, it's different
19:36.14choicejelly: I now did "parted /dev/sda" and inside that I did "resizepart 2 100%".
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19:36.59jellychoice: you will probably need a reboot for the kernel to become aware of the new size of the partition
19:37.03choicejelly: Looks like that enlarged /dev/sda2" to 50GB
19:37.08beinbliss4hi, i have apt downloaded linux-source-4.19 on stretch. But when i `make` it i get linux-image-4.19.67-rt24 deb is this ok? Why i get RT version?
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19:37.50choicejelly: fdisk -l already shows the 50G
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19:38.53choiceRunning "pvresize /dev/sda2" now ...
19:38.54jellychoice: fdisk and parted manipulate and read the disk directly.  The kernel is not aware the partition changed under its feet, however.  Look at /proc/partitions (numbers are 512B sectors IIRC)
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19:39.03Ankmanchoice: that means the OS in your VM doesn't see the linux partition. that's normal, don't worry about it (ignore it).
19:39.32choicejelly: Looks like "pvresize /dev/sda2" changed the size of the lvm thing to 50G
19:39.37choicejelly: Rebooting now ...
19:39.45jellychoice: if "pvs" now shows 50G you don't even need to reboot
19:39.58choicejelly: Just for my sanity :)
19:40.04Ankman:-)
19:40.21choiceI prefer to check if the reboot goes well.
19:40.30jellyno need.  at work we split /boot and lvm into separate disks just to be able to avoid partitions and rebooting
19:40.33Ankmangood luck
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19:41.11jellybut more often than not, parted asking the kernel to reread the partition table just does not work
19:41.20choice/dev/mapper/vg00-lv01 is still at 28G though.
19:41.21choiceDo I have to resize that one as well?
19:41.24jellyand _then_ one needs a reboot
19:41.51jellychoice: yes.  Before that, do you now see free space in the VG?  "vgs"
19:42.19jellychoice: if so, you can lvresize / lvextend
19:42.20choicejelly: Yes, 20G free
19:42.27choicejelly: Like this? lvresize -l +100%FREE /dev/vg00/lv01
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19:42.52jellychoice: that's good.  If you're on a recent Linux you can also add -r so lvresize will also resize the filesystem
19:43.03choicejelly: Too late :)
19:43.14jellyotherwise you need to call the appropriate filesystem resizing tool as the last step
19:43.22jellyresize2fs for ext4
19:43.23choicejelly: ok
19:44.20jellychoice: I'd advise not to allocate the whole free space in VG immediately
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19:44.40jellychoice: it can be useful to be able to do snapshots, eg. for consistent backups
19:44.46choiceToo late :)
19:44.54jelly¯\_(ツ)_/¯
19:45.01choice"resize2fs /dev/vg00/lv01" already did its work.
19:45.06choiceI will reboot again...
19:45.09jellyno need
19:45.18choiceJust for my sanity
19:45.24jellythat's it. resize2fs and lvresize are online operations.
19:45.30choicejelly: Thanks a ton!
19:46.13jellyif things have gone horribly wrong and something was corrupted, you'd either fail at first reboot, or you won't see it until something actually goes writing in the new space
19:46.32choicejelly: Ok
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19:47.17jellybut it's unlikely.  This is commonly exercised functionality and ought to pretty much Just Work™
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19:48.48jellyI am kind of surprised kernel saw the new size before first reboot, that does not happen often for me and I have no idea why it usually does not work
19:50.07revolutionaryjelly: do you know any resource for installing encrypted Buster on EFI system?
19:50.19jellyrevolutionary: buster install guide?
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19:50.36jhutchins_wkThere's a rescan-scsi-bus script on some distros.
19:51.02revolutionaryjelly: i couldn't find the exact place
19:51.24revolutionaryhttps://wiki.debian.org/UEFI this is not that i am looking for
19:51.36jellyjhutchins_wk: that was during 2.2-2.6 times.  Seeing the new whole disk size is not a problem.  Convincing the kernel to update its idea of partition sizes is.
19:51.55revolutionarybecause that page is not explaining for installing encrypted Buster on EFI system
19:52.27jellyrevolutionary: You basically just do the normal installation, debian-installer guesses whether you have UEFI or not, and then you lead it to do encryption.
19:52.54jellybut I have not tested it with buster.
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19:53.20revolutionaryjelly: i know but i want to use manual partitioning for changing encryption cipher and other options
19:54.12jellythe usual way ought to end up with all the UEFI stuff being created, an unencrypted partition for /boot, and the rest on lvm on luks partition.
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19:55.11revolutionaryjelly: as i understand i should create EFI System partition and also /boot partition and rest on lvm on luks, correct?
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19:55.43jellyrevolutionary: good luck then.  You can always boot a live cd, format stuff to your liking, mount the filesystems, then debootstrap and install kernel, boot loader, cryptsetup and bits on your own.
19:56.11jellyrevolutionary: and maybe a 1MiB partition for something for grub?
19:56.23jellyI have no idea about the specifics, sorry
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19:56.37revolutionaryjelly: do you think to test on Buster?
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19:56.58jellythere was a user last week having done all that from the installer, and then switching to encrypted /boot
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19:57.24jellymaybe I can find their howto in irc logs
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19:57.41revolutionaryjelly: that would be great
19:58.10jellywait
19:58.13jellythat was YOU
19:58.14revolutionarysure
19:58.22jelly!
19:58.29revolutionaryahh i did those on NON UEFI system
19:58.43revolutionaryI guess EFI is bit different and i have no experience on EFI systems
19:58.43jellyoh
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19:59.22jellyso you do the same thing, except with UEFI :-D
19:59.51revolutionaryjelly: i guess you can test this and can tell me :-D
20:01.06jellysure I can, however my rate starts at $100/hr
20:01.18revolutionaryhmm
20:01.53FightingFalconwhat shall i define as wanted by? WantedBy=multi-user.target ? when im creating a systemd service?
20:01.58revolutionarythinks jelly can do this for open-source world for Linux users :)
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20:04.32karlpincthinks jelly is undercharging
20:05.05greycatI'm wondering about "starts at", how high it goes, and what makes it go up.
20:05.28jellywondering the right wonders
20:05.29revolutionaryalso me too
20:05.32ratracejelly: wth, last time it was $200. don't dump the price, dude, hurts us all :)
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20:06.58revolutionarygreycat: Test on EFI $100, try installing encrypted Buster $200 and encrypted /boot on EFI system is $400 i think
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20:11.49beinbliss4Is there a reason linux-source-4.19 builds -rt24*deb* only?
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20:13.29somiajbeinbliss4: the binary linux-source-4.19 package is different than the source package for linux
20:13.56somiajif you just download the linux-source-4.19 package, you still have to configure what kernel it builds
20:14.02jellybeinbliss4: it ought to build all the flavor .deb, not just one, which command exactly are you running, does it finish successfully, and before all that, what are you actually trying to accomplish?
20:15.30FightingFalconI moved the service file to /lib/systemd/system folder and started with /Service myservice start.. it works fine. do i have to do anything else?
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20:16.13somiajFightingFalcon: don't put custom unit files in /lib/systemd, use /etc/systemd
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20:18.27FightingFalconok, somiaj, i've removed it and moved to the said folder. do i have to do anything else?
20:18.35FightingFalconis it going to start automatically when the pc boots?
20:18.38beinbliss4@jelly it finishes successfully ,i run make -j8 deb-pkg , (first i copy /boot/config-4.19.0-0.bpo.6-amd64 to .config, run make oldconfig). The output is linux-image-4.19.67-rt24_4.19.67-rt24-1_amd64.deb
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20:19.08somiajFightingFalcon: systemctl status unitname (if the unit is enabled it should start automatically)
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20:19.45FightingFalconyes enabled
20:20.34somiajIt should start automatically then (there are some subtilties about targets, but I would only worry about that if it doesn't start)
20:20.45somiajwell targets and depends
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20:24.22FightingFalconCant i install imagemagick 7 with apt-get?
20:24.35somiaj,v imagemagick
20:24.37juddPackage: imagemagick on amd64 -- jessie: 8:6.8.9.9-5+deb8u12; jessie-security: 8:6.8.9.9-5+deb8u18; stretch: 8:6.9.7.4+dfsg-11+deb9u7; stretch-security: 8:6.9.7.4+dfsg-11+deb9u7; buster: 8:6.9.10.23+dfsg-2.1; bullseye: 8:6.9.10.23+dfsg-2.1+b2; sid: 8:6.9.10.23+dfsg-2.1+b2
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20:25.26somiajFightingFalcon: imagemagick 7 has not made it into debian yet. Since buster is frozen, the short answer is you can't using debian repos. It could be in the future it is provided in backports, but it will have to make it into testing first.
20:25.29FightingFalconsomiaj, so what does that mean?
20:25.39FightingFalconok
20:25.41FightingFalconthanks a lot
20:25.44somiajthat is the versions of imagemagcik in the different debian releases.
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20:27.07jellybeinbliss4: I have no idea where that flavor name came from
20:28.08beinbliss4it is RealTime kernel, but i wonder why it builds it by default and skips other flavors, like default
20:29.20somiajbeinbliss4: does the config you use have realtime enabled? Could be the upstream deb-pkg source detects rt and just names the kerel as such.
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20:30.22somiajarg deb-pkg make target
20:31.38jellybeinbliss4: not necessarily.  The flavor name is independent of the rest of the config, might be called -rtBLAH and not have any rt config enabled at all
20:31.49beinbliss4no its not enabled CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set as i see it in config (i use "default" config of current system, it was on 4.9 but i added stretch-backports and apt installed linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.6-amd64
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20:32.05jelly!wayttd beinbliss4
20:32.06dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, beinbliss4?
20:32.52jelly(why are you starting from linux-source-foo at all, instead of, say, an upstream vanilla kernel)
20:33.18beinbliss4because i want to keep "debian way" or patches
20:33.29beinbliss4plus two security patches
20:34.54jellythe debian way of building a custom kernel is NOT to use linux-source-4.19, just go with upstream latest 4.19.x instead, apply your patches, then do make deb-pkg
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20:36.21jellydebian has lots of infrastructure in place to build a dozen flavors on a dozen architectures from the same source and you probably don't need that
20:38.43beinbliss4ok
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20:39.53beinbliss4I was just following this: https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official
20:40.16c0rneliushmm. i always use bindeb-pkg.
20:40.21c0rneliusis there a difference?
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20:41.52jellybeinbliss4: um, that says "apt-get source linux", and is different from getting the linux-source-4.19 _binary_ package.
20:41.55beinbliss4bindeb just builds binary and deb-pkg tars sources too
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20:42.36c0rneliusgotcha
20:42.53somiajbeinbliss4: note the deb-pkg is the upstream make target and it is just 'guessing' a name, using the actual linux source package might be preferable for your case (this will build the package using debian's build system, not the just the upstrem make target)
20:42.53beinbliss4jelly: i was reading 4.5 :(
20:42.54jellyoh, 4.5 goes with linux-source-foo
20:43.14jellyI don't know how (or if) that works, sorry
20:43.17somiajit could be the name is just a bad guess and you have the kernel configured the same.
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20:44.06beinbliss4i see
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20:45.23jellyare those security patches that you want to apply publicly available?
20:45.38somiaj,kernels
20:45.40juddAvailable kernel versions are: experimental: 5.3.0-trunk-686-pae (5.3.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.3.0-2-686-pae (5.3.9-2); bullseye: 5.2.0-3-686 (5.2.17-1); buster-backports: 5.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (5.2.17-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports:
20:45.41judd4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2~deb8u1)
20:46.17somiajmy guess is they are the new +deb10u2 patches that haven't made it into stretch-backports yet.
20:46.53beinbliss4yes somiaj is right
20:47.26somiajbeinbliss4: kernels are fairly stand alone, you might be able to get away with just installing the buster kernel (unsure how much work is required to backport it), or just wait until the kernel team backports the new patches.
20:47.31jellyif you have a deadline you can try just grabbing the linux-image-foo from buster
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20:48.51jellybut if you also need to build some out of tree modules, then you probably can't use those, different gcc versions
20:49.49jellyand linux-headers-foo from buster won't be installable on stretch due to missing gcc deps
20:50.15jelly,v linux-compiler-gcc-8-x86
20:50.16juddPackage: linux-compiler-gcc-8-x86 on amd64 -- buster: 4.19.67-2; buster-proposed-updates: 4.19.67-2+deb10u1; buster-security: 4.19.67-2+deb10u2; buster-backports: 5.2.17-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.2.17-1+b1; sid: 5.2.17-1+b1
20:51.16beinbliss4actually i tried apt-get source linux and now i see everything will be ok, it is non rt version, control and rules files reflect that
20:51.26beinbliss4dunno why i didn't see it at the top of handbook page
20:52.07FightingFalconfind . -iname "*.jpg" -type f -exec identify -format '%w %h %i\n' '{}' \; | awk $1 > 300
20:52.13FightingFalconwhats wrong with this command? awk part
20:52.45rander2sorry, but the restoring don't go : http://paste.debian.net/1116249/
20:52.47somiajput $1 in quotes, it could be the shell is expanding that, not awk
20:53.01somiajsingle quotes
20:53.13FightingFalconthjanks
20:53.19somiajFightingFalcon: for a test, compare echo $1 vs echo '$1'
20:55.06rander2if I install a single packet it go, but not from the selection
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20:56.13FightingFalconi see
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20:58.43jhutchins_wkrander2: Did you do aptitude update?
20:58.48rander2I generated the list with : dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile ; as explained in dpkg bot , and I restored it with : dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade
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20:59.07somiaj!aptitude clone
20:59.08dpkgTo clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine.  This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not.  See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
20:59.20somiajrander2: not that it matters now, but I often prefer ^^ over using dpkg directly.
20:59.35rander2jhutchins_wk, I did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ; isnt it the same ?
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21:10.43rander2http://paste.debian.net/1116252/
21:11.18rander2I tried to cut the list with cut -f1 > selections2 ; but it's the same
21:11.42rander2cut -f1 seletions > selections2
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21:13.31Habbierander2, try awk '{print $1}'
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21:16.46rander2Habbie, it's the same
21:16.58greycatIt's not.  Maybe with the one file you tested it on.
21:17.23Habbieboth work for me on the output of `dpkg --get-selections`
21:17.30Habbieif they do not work for you, please show us
21:17.34greycatcut -f has a very strict idea of where fields begin and end.  awk divides fields in a much more flexible way.
21:17.50Habbieindeed
21:17.56Habbiebut they both happen to work here
21:18.16rander2dpkg: error: unexpected end of line in package name at line 1 ; this with awk '{print $1'
21:18.17dpkgrander2: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
21:18.33greycatpasting the command incorrectly is not helpful
21:18.37rander2# dpkg: error: unexpected end of line in package name at line 1 ; this with awk '{print $1'
21:18.42Habbierander2, please show us what you are doing
21:18.58greycatthey omitted the }
21:19.02Habbiethat is not the only problem
21:19.03livebrainpost the entire line you are using
21:19.04rander2~# awk '{print $1}' selectionfile > selectionfile2
21:19.32Habbiewhat's in selectionfile?
21:19.36rander2dpkg --set-selections < selectionfile2 && apt-get dselect-upgrade
21:19.36dpkgi haven't a clue, rander2
21:19.39livebrainthe selectionfile is the output of "dpkg  --get-selections" ?
21:19.47Habbieit quite obviously is not :)
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21:19.54Habbieoh wait
21:19.57Habbiei get it
21:19.59Habbieyes it is
21:20.09Habbiebut you can't just cut off the second column from get-selections and expect set-selections to be happy
21:21.02greycatso... rander2, why are you altering the contents of selectionfile?
21:21.54rander2I follow the istructions from dpkg bot , no the selectionfile it's correct but don't go, so I thinked the cut the 2 colon
21:22.09rander2column
21:22.34rander2the original file is : http://paste.debian.net/1116252/
21:22.46greycatNowhere in the "debian clone" factoid does it say to use cut or awk on the output of dpkg --get-selections.
21:22.55rander2it begin from number 14
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21:24.46rander2greycat, it's true , but since it didn't work I tried to cut the second column
21:24.58greycatWell, don't.
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21:25.38velixHelp! I've removed gpg and it killed apt and all other stuff :-)
21:25.49ratraceGesundheit!
21:26.07velixratrace: Danke.
21:26.17annadaneplonk
21:26.18greycatdownload or sneakernet a gnupg .deb file onto the machine, and install it with dpkg -i
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21:26.34annadanesneakernet?
21:26.43greycatif necessary
21:26.45Habbieannadane, 'walk somewhere with a physical medium'
21:26.49Habbieannadane, like a floppy disk or a usb stick
21:26.53annadanekids these days, get off my lawn...
21:26.57Habbiebut, removing gpg never killed apt for me, so that's a bit weird
21:27.06velixCan I use another debian installation, to get the URLs which are needed to reinstall the missing packages?
21:27.13velixI've plenty of them ;)
21:27.15Habbievelix, yes
21:27.39rander2greycat,  to test is dpkg work, ok
21:27.43rander2if
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21:31.04velixYipee, APT is back up again.
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21:31.35Habbievelix, yay
21:31.40annadane!win
21:31.42velixHabbie: Thanks for inspiration.
21:31.47greycat!win velix
21:31.49dpkgCongratulations, velix!  You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
21:31.57Habbie!win spam
21:31.57dpkgCongratulations, spam!  You have won the US presidency!
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21:32.00annadanei just wanted to see if it did anything without a name argument :P
21:32.02Habbieyass
21:32.08Habbie!win
21:32.12Habbie!win annadane
21:32.13dpkgCongratulations, annadane!  You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
21:32.21velixI hate the small opener on the spam cans.
21:32.31velixThey're always ripping off.
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21:34.07velixInteresting, do I need `tasksel` and `task` at all?
21:34.27velixIt also got wiped
21:34.37somiajtasksel is optional
21:34.45greycatI don't know what "task" is.  tasksel is something you almost never use.
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21:35.16velixgreycat: it wiped "task-german".
21:35.22velixMaybe some language kit for tasksel?
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21:35.30greycat,i task-german
21:35.31juddPackage task-german (tasks, optional) in buster/amd64: German environment. Version: 3.53; Size: 0.9k; Installed: 6k
21:35.50greycat,depends task-german
21:35.52juddPackage task-german in buster/amd64 -- depends: tasksel (= 3.53), manpages-de.
21:35.58velixthx
21:36.02rander2yes, dpkg -i work correctly. I installed mutt from deb
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21:38.39rander2sh..
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22:12.41notsoeverworked for me
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22:13.19notsoever2 step auth google in ubuntu i guess shall work for y
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22:14.49notsoeverrelieve to memorize a monster of password
22:15.15notsoeverthat we may forget
22:15.59B|ack0pwhat was the command to install firmware-intelwifi ?
22:16.26B|ack0pIntel Pro Wireless 2000/2915 network driver
22:16.37B|ack0pIntel PRO Wireless 2200BG
22:16.39dvs!iwlwifi
22:16.39dpkgThe iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters.  Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide.  Supported devices and troubleshooting hints are listed at https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi .  See also <iwlegacy>, <iwl7000>.
22:16.51notsoeverbest place to ask
22:16.54B|ack0pi did but still wifi missing
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22:17.15B|ack0pdoes it mean wifi device is very old?
22:18.21notsoeverthe master is in jail for wifi kiddnesss
22:18.25B|ack0pi think i found something
22:18.33B|ack0phttps://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200
22:19.00notsoeverb**h me
22:19.52B|ack0pshould i restart?
22:20.05notsoeverconfidence
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22:22.17notsoevermusic? deezer or spotify?
22:23.45notsoeveri am gratefuull
22:24.01notsoeverfor two step works
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22:24.54notsoeverb**c not
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22:25.13notsoeveri did my self
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22:25.43notsoevery dont need ubuntu
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22:26.29B|ack0pall set
22:27.12B|ack0pi asked before but i couldnt get the answer
22:27.28B|ack0phow can i disable gnome dock while on gnome-classic desktop?
22:27.48B|ack0pwhich appears when i move my cursor at left-top
22:28.14notsoeverants
22:28.16B|ack0pi think it shows workspaces when i move cursor at the left-top corner
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22:30.14notsoeveri gave nothing
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22:30.34notsoeverjust from ubuntu susscess
22:30.54notsoeverAND they did nothing
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22:31.26notsoevercongratulations
22:32.13B|ack0phow can i install gnome extension?
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22:32.17B|ack0phttps://extensions.gnome.org/extension/118/no-topleft-hot-corner/
22:32.19B|ack0pthis one?
22:32.21B|ack0pon terminal?
22:32.27notsoeverfor the elsewhere experience
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22:34.34notsoeverB|ack0p: test me...
22:34.49B|ack0pyou sound talking yourself
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22:38.50notsoeveri did 2 step shit without help
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22:51.02FightingFalconum anyone familiar with imagemagick?
22:51.56HabbieFightingFalcon, sure, just ask your question
22:52.46FightingFalconhow do i use mogrify and resize an image but keep aspect ratio?
22:53.18Habbieone
22:53.23Habbiedon't use mogrify, use convert
22:53.30Habbieconvert leaves your original file intact
22:53.48FightingFalconI dont really need the original file
22:54.57Habbieyou can do -resize 25%
22:54.59Habbieor -resize 200%
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22:55.13Habbiehttps://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-options.php#resize is good
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22:55.43notsoeveri hould give bytes
22:56.09FightingFalconI want to resize it to a specific pixel
22:56.28Habbiethen follow that url to find out how
22:58.22notsoeverhow we can say molhada?
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22:59.13FightingFalconthx
22:59.23notsoeveronly today
23:00.13somiajconvert -resize I think preserves aspect ratio by default, so even if you do like -resize 400x300 it will use 400x300 as max size
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23:18.22eb0t_hey i did update and now another player other than vlc is opening films from midnight commander...
23:18.34eb0t_how do i set vlc to be default .im not using gnome or kde
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23:27.00xaeB5hi i'm having trouble installing debian on a new computer. ubuntu installs fine, but debian goes through the installer process then doesn't ask me anything about installing GRUB at the end, and i boot the computer and it can't find an OS. is this the UEFI issue i've read about?
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23:41.27xaeB5so can i install debian on a uefi system?
23:42.11notsoevernot nso much
23:42.30ahi2xaeB5: can you choose between uefi and legacy BIOS?
23:42.49notsoeveru are bi
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23:43.10xaeB5ahi2: i don't think so. i don't have the option
23:44.00notsoeverdid your familili
23:44.21ahi2xaeB5: i had same issue as you. no grub on boot up. i couldnt figure it out so i coverted gpt hard drive to mbr and reinstalled fine
23:44.37xaeB5also when i run the installer and try to use wifi, debian recognizes my wifi adapter and asks for the SSID and password, but then says it can't find such a SSID even though i'm 100% sure it's correct
23:45.04xaeB5ahi2: ok i'm not sure about hard drive conversions, might just stick with ubuntu since that works
23:45.07xaeB5thanks
23:45.11notsoeverbich now not now
23:45.20ahi2xaeB5: i would be interested if someone here could help you
23:45.47xaeB5i will try asking here again later. doesn't seem to be active now
23:45.56ahi2right
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23:53.08dvsxaeB5, you can install Debian on a UEFI system.  You just have to make sure you boot the installer up in UEFI mode.
23:53.43xaeB5dvs: how would i do that? the installer starts up fine but i don't know how to tell what mode it's in
23:54.52eb0t_hmm looks like i have mpv player installed on my system even though i didnt install it
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23:55.01dvsIt should be an option at the first menu
23:55.03eb0t_i have only recently installed skype
23:55.10eb0t_i wonder if that drags in mpv
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23:56.08xaeB5dvs ok i'll look for that thanks
23:56.14dvsnp
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