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| 01:48.01 | crestfallen_ | hi anyone know why I can't join the #kali-linux freenode channel? |
| 01:48.19 | somiaj | #kali |
| 01:48.21 | somiaj | !kali |
| 01:48.22 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 01:48.30 | crestfallen_ | sweet thanks somiaj |
| 01:48.58 | somiaj | crestfallen_: you will have to ask their operators, might be a registration issue, maybe you were banned for some reason, but you'll have to ask their ops, we don't control that channel |
| 01:49.07 | somiaj | #freenode might also be able to help track down the issue |
| 01:49.21 | Unit193 | You must be registered to join that channel. |
| 01:49.33 | crestfallen | it says channel is invite only. yeah.. |
| 01:49.54 | crestfallen | would you mind fielding some quick questions re: kali? |
| 01:49.54 | Unit193 | #kali-linux |
| 01:50.27 | crestfallen | #kali-linux won't work in hexchat |
| 01:50.56 | Unit193 | Right, because as I mentioned you must be registered (and identified) with services. |
| 01:51.56 | crestfallen | I have buster, I wanted to play around with a kvm vm of kali. I wonder if I could do a real bare bones terminal-only version, or do those penetration apps require a desktop? |
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| 01:54.46 | zumba_addict | Hi all. Is Debian 10 bleeding edge or stable version? |
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| 01:55.24 | nkuttler | !10 |
| 01:55.25 | dpkg | Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachsund in Toy Story, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianBuster . Ask me about <install buster>, <release notes>, <stretch->buster>. <apt suite changed> |
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| 02:02.05 | crestfallen | anyone tell me how to request an invite to the kali channel, kindly? |
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| 02:07.30 | crestfallen | it says nothing on their freenode page on how to be invited. I've never done that on a channel, thanks.. |
| 02:08.21 | somiaj | crestfallen: ask in #freenode, this is not the right place |
| 02:08.30 | crestfallen | ok thanks. |
| 02:08.32 | somiaj | crestfallen: it could be you just have to register your nick, /msg nickserv help |
| 02:08.51 | crestfallen | thanks thought it was registered.. |
| 02:09.13 | somiaj | maybe it is, if so maybe we need to update the factoid on the channel |
| 02:09.37 | Unit193 | No, as I mentioned earlier he's just not identified and the channel is +r |
| 02:10.02 | somiaj | I was able to join just fine, so yea just register your nick with nickserv |
| 02:10.14 | crestfallen | I did /msg nickserve identify <password> , is that correct? |
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| 02:11.28 | zumba_addict | Thank you nkuttler |
| 02:11.45 | crestfallen | crestfallen is already registered. sorry, don't know much about freenode |
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| 02:21.35 | oxek | my /boot was not mounted during apt upgrade, and a new kernel was downloaded. I now mounted /boot, how can I get the new kernel there? |
| 02:23.58 | zumba_addict | which desktop environment should I install this time? :D I'm currently using xfce. |
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| 02:24.51 | zumba_addict | Cinnamon, Mate, LXDE, LXqt |
| 02:24.54 | oxek | zumba_addict: they all suck, so just pick one and get on with your work/play. |
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| 02:25.10 | zumba_addict | hehe :D |
| 02:25.40 | oxek | whichever one you pick, you'll always wonder if there's a better one and always be unhappy with your current one. So just skip this and deal with more important things. |
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| 02:26.10 | zumba_addict | I'll try Cinnamon |
| 02:26.41 | oxek | the best desktop environment would be one that you write yourself, because then you know what you can do with it and who to blame when stuff does not work or you don't have stuff you'd like. |
| 02:26.52 | oxek | but obviously that is too much work |
| 02:27.09 | oxek | so we're all stuck with DEs that suck |
| 02:27.09 | zumba_addict | I'm currently installing Cinnamon |
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| 02:32.02 | ryouma | i have never needed a de |
| 02:32.15 | oxek | anyone know how to fix my issue? |
| 02:32.17 | ryouma | i have never understood what it was supposed to even do for me |
| 02:32.26 | zumba_addict | i'm just interested. I'm always on the terminal |
| 02:32.26 | melpy | de are for noobs ^w^ |
| 02:32.46 | ryouma | i don't use terminals either |
| 02:32.47 | melpy | or grandpas |
| 02:32.55 | zumba_addict | lol, what do you use? |
| 02:33.00 | ryouma | fluxbox |
| 02:33.05 | ryouma | and emacs |
| 02:33.17 | zumba_addict | fluxbox is a window manager |
| 02:33.23 | ryouma | ys |
| 02:33.26 | ryouma | yes |
| 02:33.34 | zumba_addict | I have it too on my bunsenlabs |
| 02:33.36 | ryouma | debian has a bunch of those |
| 02:34.00 | zumba_addict | but i'm interested in your emacs since I've never used it. I started with vi in 95 |
| 02:34.31 | zumba_addict | can you run commands in emacs session? |
| 02:34.39 | ryouma | yes |
| 02:34.42 | zumba_addict | oh cool |
| 02:35.15 | zumba_addict | I think it was in emacs where one of the hackers in assembly channel shared a session with me. However, I couldn't recall anymore since it was 2 years ago |
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| 02:35.31 | ryouma | there are several terminals, a shell mode (which i use and is a dumb terminal), and a shell written in lisp. you can also do sessions in org mode |
| 02:36.04 | zumba_addict | I remember, i can see the commands he was typing |
| 02:36.25 | zumba_addict | from my side, I ssh to his machine |
| 02:37.06 | zumba_addict | that's possible right? |
| 02:37.08 | ryouma | emacs also has remote shell stuff you can do, and remote direct manipulation of files |
| 02:37.17 | ryouma | including ssh |
| 02:37.19 | zumba_addict | cool |
| 02:37.33 | zumba_addict | I guess it's time for me try try it |
| 02:38.08 | zumba_addict | so anything I can do currently with a terminal, I should be able to do with emacs? |
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| 02:38.35 | ryouma | more or less. if you want tui, you need to use one of the terminal modes. they have glitches but work for my purposes. |
| 02:38.42 | zumba_addict | tui? |
| 02:38.52 | zumba_addict | text user interface? |
| 02:39.06 | ryouma | yes |
| 02:39.10 | ryouma | like htop |
| 02:39.15 | ryouma | ncurses |
| 02:39.16 | zumba_addict | oh got it |
| 02:39.44 | ryouma | but the dumb terminal can do things like curl progress bar |
| 02:39.56 | zumba_addict | btw, my debian 10 installation failed on "select and install". I never had issues with installing 8 and 9 |
| 02:40.02 | zumba_addict | cool |
| 02:40.47 | ryouma | what was the issue? |
| 02:41.05 | zumba_addict | it doesn't say on the screen. It just says it failed. I'll take a screenshot |
| 02:41.18 | ryouma | (basically i never use real x terminals or console) |
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| 02:41.54 | zumba_addict | https://i.imgur.com/YWA9C7D.png |
| 02:42.55 | zumba_addict | I selected a different selection from the menu and I can't exit out anymore. Still the same error. I'll try Abort Installation |
| 02:43.06 | zumba_addict | I'll pick Finish Installation first |
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| 02:44.28 | zumba_addict | it didn't boot properly, lol. I'll reinstall without de |
| 02:45.42 | ryouma | what i do is minimal installation and then install whatever i need manually |
| 02:45.57 | zumba_addict | yep, I'll do it that way |
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| 02:52.43 | zumba_addict | I guess my earlier installation ran out of space since I selected a DE. There were about 1,400 packages that were being installed. This time, I didn't select any DE. It's only 140 packages and installation completed successfully |
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| 02:54.00 | zumba_addict | sudo is now not installed by default. Nice! |
| 02:55.27 | zumba_addict | It's like OpenBSD on first install :D Neat! Only port 22 is active |
| 02:56.39 | zumba_addict | Alright, I'm ready to jump into Emacs realm! Searching for tutorials :D |
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| 02:57.05 | ryouma | run emacs and then do c-h t for a basic tutorial |
| 02:57.11 | ryouma | (control h) |
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| 02:58.29 | ryouma | happy emacs |
| 02:58.32 | zumba_addict | let me apt-get install emacs |
| 02:59.08 | zumba_addict | it's installing tons of libraries, hehehe |
| 02:59.54 | oxek | zumba_addict: maybe should have done `apt --no-install-recommends install emacs` |
| 03:00.16 | zumba_addict | oh, my first time to see that |
| 03:00.43 | zumba_addict | it just finished installing. Should I uninstall it and do that? |
| 03:00.50 | zumba_addict | So i can regain space |
| 03:00.51 | oxek | no, it's fine |
| 03:00.53 | ryouma | name some of the packages |
| 03:00.59 | ryouma | you might want them |
| 03:01.26 | zumba_addict | libcupsimage, libpangocairo, libgtk libgs9 and 100s more |
| 03:01.40 | oxek | that sounds wrong |
| 03:01.50 | oxek | emacs should not depend on, nor recommend all those |
| 03:02.05 | dvs | xemacs could |
| 03:02.08 | zumba_addict | got it. It's ok. I'm on the tutorial now |
| 03:03.24 | oxek | I see now, 'emacs' is a metapackage that depends on emacs-gtk |
| 03:03.34 | zumba_addict | ok |
| 03:03.35 | oxek | that explains it |
| 03:03.39 | oxek | and it horrifies me |
| 03:03.47 | zumba_addict | :D |
| 03:05.36 | oxek | that's why I use vim or nano, or just some GUI editor |
| 03:07.44 | ryouma | you can use emacs with no x or emacs with just the lucid toolkit |
| 03:07.52 | ryouma | there are a bunch of packges |
| 03:08.10 | ryouma | but xemacs is a total fork (and not widely used) |
| 03:08.27 | ryouma | emacs-nox e.g. |
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| 03:21.57 | oxek | I dream of a future where people no longer fight over emacs vs vim. Both suck, so just use one and get on with what you need to do. |
| 03:22.34 | dvs | !start an editor war |
| 03:22.34 | dpkg | xemacs is known to decrease your lifespan! |
| 03:22.43 | dvs | dpkg: shut up |
| 03:22.43 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 03:23.13 | oxek | dpkg: you don't have an ass, you're just bytes |
| 03:23.13 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 03:23.26 | dvs | you sure do! |
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| 03:37.10 | ryouma | there is no editor war in reality. go to #emacs and type ,salespitch |
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| 03:41.13 | ryouma | (or just help somebody use vim or emacs) |
| 03:42.20 | grisher | do people actually care what what editor eachother suse |
| 03:42.24 | grisher | udse |
| 03:42.33 | grisher | fuck ssh lag |
| 03:45.48 | ryouma | only like 1 user on irc and 1 troll |
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| 03:48.05 | grisher | i'd commit my life to using nano just to annoy those people |
| 03:48.45 | oxek | grisher: have you heard of mosh? |
| 03:48.57 | oxek | should help with your ssh lag |
| 03:49.46 | oxek | and nano is a fine editor for most purposes |
| 03:52.38 | mason | grisher,oxek: apt purge nano is my first act on any Debian-based system, assuming it wasn't installed with debootstrap, where I can nip it in the bud before first boot. |
| 03:53.48 | oxek | why? |
| 03:53.56 | grisher | nah, mosh still lags |
| 03:54.02 | grisher | besides, it's only a temporary issue |
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| 03:54.18 | oxek | grisher: it will lag, but at least you're not gonna be blind typing nonsense |
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| 03:55.43 | mason | oxek: I just really dislike it. It seems to lack most things I'd want in an editor. I'd happily use any vi or any emacs in preference, even if I couldn't predict in advance which it'd be. |
| 03:56.20 | grisher | yeah but mosh also keeps a shitload of sessions open that i can't be bothered with |
| 03:56.28 | grisher | and again, the issue is temporary |
| 03:56.31 | mason | oxek: The notion that drives me is that if someone can't take a few minutes and learn a traditional editor, they might want to reconsider configuring a Unixlike system. |
| 03:56.50 | oxek | mason: it's a nice backup, and nowadays you can expect it to be on any system as a minimal editor that works in case somebody messed up their vim/emacs/whatever |
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| 03:57.21 | grisher | see, people love getting outraged by nano |
| 03:57.30 | oxek | admittedly, I need to relearn vim at some point |
| 03:57.34 | mason | grisher: I don't love it, really. I wish it weren't there to dislike. |
| 03:57.48 | oxek | been happy with nano for my usecases of editing config files using commandline |
| 03:58.22 | oxek | for everything else there's a grad student |
| 03:58.32 | mason | A truly human interface. |
| 03:58.34 | grisher | lol, i don't really care if things exist |
| 03:58.38 | grisher | if i don't wanna use something i just don't |
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| 03:59.05 | mason | grisher: Let me rephrase, then. I wish it weren't shoved in my face on every new install. I don't choose to use it ever. |
| 03:59.27 | mason | Heck, even a dialog forcing me to pick my default editor would be acceptable. |
| 03:59.27 | grisher | yeah but heaps of people do |
| 03:59.42 | grisher | and it's useful to setup networking |
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| 04:00.59 | mason | Recipes too, I guess. I take your point. |
| 04:02.50 | grisher | "a dialog forcing me to pick my default editor" is fine in theory |
| 04:03.19 | grisher | then you realize it could be applied to a lot of different programs on a linux install, so then it's added for those programs too |
| 04:03.33 | grisher | then a linux install is literally just picking software to be installed |
| 04:03.45 | grisher | seems like it'd hinde the install process a tad |
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| 04:10.35 | crestfallen | hi I'm trying to spin a vm with kvm and getting this error : invalid literal for int() with base 10: '1G' |
| 04:11.41 | crestfallen | this is the command I'm running : https://paste.ee/p/Vum11 |
| 04:12.26 | crestfallen | also I believe the ' --memory 1G ' entry is also problematic |
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| 04:17.37 | crestfallen | If someone could direct to a chatroom where this might be answered I'd appreciate it |
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| 04:22.21 | RoyK | crestfallen: sorry - perhaps try #virt @ irc.oftc.net - I usually just use virt-manager |
| 04:22.55 | crestfallen | yeah thanks kindly I'm trying virt-manager now RoyK |
| 04:23.18 | mason | crestfallen: --memory=1024 - it's always in megabytes |
| 04:24.37 | mason | crestfallen: Also, osinfo-query os will show you available OS variants. I suspect kali-linux isn't valid. Check out the EXAMPLES section in the man page. |
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| 04:25.36 | mason | good luck and good night! o/ |
| 04:29.05 | crestfallen | mason thanks! |
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| 05:34.59 | kfvn_ | I can't find much about icl_dmc. Any hints are appreciated |
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| 05:36.27 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 05:36.28 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 05:37.58 | kfvn_ | annadane: thanks! I'll post there, didn't know it existed |
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| 05:53.56 | oxek | what is the debian default display manager for the xfce task? |
| 05:54.06 | Unit193 | LightDM. |
| 05:54.19 | oxek | thanks |
| 05:54.25 | oxek | is it any good? |
| 05:54.37 | Unit193 | I think it's pretty much the best option. |
| 05:54.51 | oxek | I really don't need any features |
| 05:54.56 | oxek | just want it to be light |
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| 05:55.49 | oxek | what do I even need a display manager for? |
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| 06:00.08 | RoyK | oxek: priority #1 must be to make it look like windows 95 |
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| 06:00.49 | oxek | RoyK: I mean, I literally just put my username and password in it, and then it goes away, right? |
| 06:00.54 | oxek | so what do I care what it looks like? |
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| 06:03.17 | oxek | btw it was not a rhetorical question - what is a display manager needed for anyway? |
| 06:03.36 | ebisu | New install. New desktop build (Ryzen 2600, msi b450f board). Grub initialized systemd, then theres an infinite blinking cursor. if i go into recovery, it complains about something involving ECC checking, and it being a desktop board I am confused. |
| 06:04.52 | annadane | oxek, i guess slim is the lightest |
| 06:05.18 | Unit193 | oxek: User switching, automatically starting the session stuff, sometimes as an unlock screen, etc. |
| 06:05.47 | oxek | Unit193: I thought that was what a desktop environment did |
| 06:06.30 | oxek | annadane: is slim a safe choice though, given that it is not being developed anymore |
| 06:07.02 | ebisu | oxek, I use XDM. It doesn't matter if it's not being developed anymore if it's simple and it works. |
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| 06:10.23 | oxek | I eventually want to setup some graphical remote connection (maybe VNC?) to this machine. Does this fact affect the choice of a display manager? |
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| 06:11.13 | Unit193 | Oooh, then you can use lightdm-remote-session-x2go or lightdm-remote-session-freerdp2! |
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| 06:12.35 | oxek | so lightdm is still a good choice for me? |
| 06:13.38 | Unit193 | I mean, I'm not you so I can't say certainly. But it's a good choice for me, I can use x11vnc at the login screen and login remotely if I want. |
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| 06:14.33 | oxek | admittedly, I don't fully understand this, I never did graphical remote connections, only ssh |
| 06:14.39 | oxek | so I don't know where to start |
| 06:14.52 | oxek | the machine currently has no graphical interface |
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| 06:16.00 | Unit193 | Is there a reason to add one? :P |
| 06:16.03 | oxek | so I still need to install xserver (what is the package name in debian?), display manager (probably lightdm), greeter? (wtf is a greeter?), and some desktop environment (xfce?) |
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| 06:27.39 | sujiwo | i need help |
| 06:27.41 | sujiwo | Mayday |
| 06:27.42 | sujiwo | maydauy |
| 06:27.46 | sujiwo | Mayday |
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| 06:35.42 | MegaXLR | like a few minutes after saying mayday |
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| 06:51.57 | oxek | what is the package name of X server? |
| 06:52.27 | inch | dpkg -S /usr/bin/Xorg -> xserver-xorg-core |
| 06:52.55 | dpkg | There is no record of a /usr/bin/Xorg -> xserver-xorg-core package |
| 06:54.03 | Mathisen | ,info xserver-xorg-core |
| 06:54.05 | judd | Package xserver-xorg-core (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: Xorg X server - core server. Version: 2:1.20.4-1; Size: 3457.6k; Installed: 5960k; Homepage: https://www.x.org/ |
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| 07:16.10 | Mathisen | oxek, xorg is the meta package |
| 07:16.44 | Mathisen | ,info xorg |
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| 07:17.10 | Mathisen | well that is the one that pulls all dep anyway |
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| 07:38.31 | ZAJDAN | Hi ..after upgrade from Debian 9 to 10 I have problem with network interface. WhenI wake up computer from sleep..NIC doesnt indicated cable and is like "unpluged" status |
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| 07:38.48 | ZAJDAN | this I see in dmesg: https://termbin.com/kj8an |
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| 07:58.25 | shagna | hi,cannot import a public pgp key.using debian buster,fresh install.wonder whats happening? |
| 07:58.50 | nkuttler | !tell shagna about errors |
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| 08:14.12 | shagna | i made an .asc file,typed gpg --import *.asc and output was https://pastebin.com/dHh2nkK |
| 08:15.18 | shagna | otherwise debian 10 runs smooth |
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| 08:22.38 | shagna | sorry it is https://pastebin.com/dHh2nkKm |
| 08:24.13 | nkuttler | shagna: which command did you run? |
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| 08:24.44 | shagna | gpg --import *.asc |
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| 08:40.34 | jelly | shagna: and what do the first and the last line of the file say? |
| 08:41.20 | jelly | shagna: also, what does "file foo.asc" say, and what is actually SUPPOSED to be in the file |
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| 08:42.06 | shagna | -----beginn PGP signature,----end PGP signature |
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| 08:43.27 | shagna | i copy&pasted the public pgp key into the .asc file |
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| 08:44.35 | shagna | with debian 9 importing a public gpg key was never a problem |
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| 08:46.12 | zzarr | hello! |
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| 08:47.13 | zzarr | I have a problem, I would like to install libnginx-mod-http-passenger on bullseye, but that is no easy task |
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| 08:47.54 | zzarr | trying to get gitlab working (again) on a server after upgrading to bullseye |
| 08:50.06 | zzarr | it requires libcurl3 but the system says that it conflicts with libcurl4 |
| 08:50.38 | zzarr | I'm trying to install a stretch version of libnginx-mod-http-passenger |
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| 08:53.30 | TheFirstGoodmaN | Hi together, i have install watchdog with the softdog kernel modul. I have set sigterm-delay to wait for the services to shutdown properly bevore they get sig killed. Now watchdog is always waiting the sigterm delay even i dont see a reason for waiting, how could i debug this issue? |
| 08:54.16 | TheFirstGoodmaN | I am on Debian 9.11 |
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| 09:25.52 | SpeedyG | hey, i've got this weird issue that in gnome, my pastebuffer gets emptied randomly... I've got no clue where to look for this issue, does anyone have similar experiences (and maybe solved it) ? |
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| 10:13.14 | moldy | i have tried a thousand things, but cannot get my compose key to work consistently. sometimes it works for qt apps but not for gtk apps, sometimes vice versa, sometimes not at all. |
| 10:13.19 | moldy | can anyone help with this? |
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| 10:28.59 | FightingFalcon | find . -iname "*.jpg" -type f >>>>>>>>>> how do i set it so that the command include png and jpeg files also? |
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| 10:39.33 | future28 | Hi, I am trying to downgrade a package on a new system via `sudo apt-get install hugo=0.58.3-0` but apt can't locate 0.58-3.0. |
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| 10:39.54 | Habbie | ,v hugo |
| 10:39.54 | future28 | I have 0.58.3-1 installed. Could anyone help with this? |
| 10:39.56 | judd | Package: hugo on amd64 -- stretch: 0.18.1-1+b2; buster: 0.55.6+really0.54.0-1; bullseye: 0.58.3-1; sid: 0.58.3-1 |
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| 10:40.49 | Habbie | future28, in general, i believe debian mirrors only have the latest version of a package |
| 10:40.53 | towo^work | http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 10:41.17 | future28 | Habbie: I see, so perhaps I need to find the .deb |
| 10:41.24 | Habbie | future28, see what towo^work said |
| 10:41.41 | future28 | Great, thanks towo^work and Habbie - I will check it out |
| 10:42.21 | hummable | you probably still have the .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 10:43.42 | future28 | hummable: It's a brand new system unfortunately, pointed at testing |
| 10:43.59 | future28 | All is well, I got the .deb before the breaking change and my site now builds - thanks for your assistance all |
| 10:44.11 | ratrace | FightingFalcon: -iname '*.jpg' -o -iname '*.png' |
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| 10:44.36 | hummable | is -o the same as -or ? |
| 10:44.42 | ratrace | ya |
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| 10:45.02 | hummable | ah ty |
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| 10:48.00 | FightingFalcon | thanks |
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| 11:11.21 | otyugh | Is there a complete list somewhere of the pci device + their available driver on debian ? |
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| 11:12.38 | otyugh | (there is like >12M drivers é_è) |
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| 11:19.45 | dka | I am on debian with cinnamon, how can I create a shortcut for intellij bin ? |
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| 11:23.56 | Franciman | Hello |
| 11:24.05 | Franciman | What's the difference between aptitude and apt-get and apt? |
| 11:24.39 | OerHeks | apt is superior over apt-get, aptitude is great too |
| 11:25.25 | ayekat | it's not exactly 'superior' - it's more of a interactive-friendly variant of apt-get/apt-cache |
| 11:25.46 | ayekat | for scripts, apt-get is AFAIK still recommended, as the command line interface is stable |
| 11:25.51 | beinbliss4 | you can call it a wrapper of apt-get/apt/cache |
| 11:26.09 | beinbliss4 | -* |
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| 11:31.24 | Franciman | ah so they are simply different CLIs to the same thing? |
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| 11:48.08 | ratrace | Franciman: more or less |
| 11:48.14 | shagna | could not solve the problem about how to import public pgp keys.the first line inthe foo.asc folder says -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE---- and the last line -----END PGP SIGNATURE---- |
| 11:48.31 | shagna | any ideas? |
| 11:48.51 | Franciman | thanks |
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| 11:55.18 | StyXman | i used to develop one (satyr, which is/was also a player), but it's py2/pyqt4 and I really don't have much time porting it :( |
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| 12:12.29 | Zevv | Hi #debian - What is the name of the console/tui toolkit used by the text debian installer? |
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| 12:12.56 | towo^work | ncurses |
| 12:13.35 | Zevv | yeah, but the thing between ncurses and the installer - is that some standard component or is it part of the installer itself? |
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| 12:17.27 | Zevv | newt! |
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| 12:49.17 | StyXman | otherwise I think it's the kernel who knows what ids each driver accepts? |
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| 13:19.13 | DammitJim | I have a debian server that recently got joined to a windows domain |
| 13:19.26 | DammitJim | I had to set ntp for the DC |
| 13:19.48 | DammitJim | I can swear my time was correct before changing the ntp conf and joining to the doamin |
| 13:20.16 | DammitJim | to my surprise, the server is now showing the wrong time (about 12 hours ahead) |
| 13:20.23 | DammitJim | do I just change the time on the server? |
| 13:21.24 | DammitJim | do you think there is something up with the hardware clock? |
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| 13:49.19 | Andorspider | Hi out there :) |
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| 13:50.57 | Andorspider | hello braci |
| 13:51.13 | Andorspider | just testing my system |
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| 13:51.57 | krumelmonster | Something's clearly wrong here: sudo addgroup admin |
| 13:51.57 | krumelmonster | addgroup: Please enter a username matching the regular expression configured |
| 13:52.34 | Andorspider | ok looks like its working, bye gang |
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| 13:53.09 | redandvidya1 | hello |
| 13:53.22 | redandvidya1 | rav30 from last 2 weeks ago |
| 13:53.26 | redandvidya1 | looking to try debian again |
| 13:53.44 | redandvidya1 | this time, I plan to switch whatever network shit is in default debian |
| 13:53.46 | Andorspider | good idea |
| 13:53.56 | redandvidya1 | and replace it with something that works like wicd / netctl |
| 13:54.02 | Andorspider | i made my fist mistake bu making my size 30gb |
| 13:54.14 | Andorspider | so i reinstalled to a 70gb drive |
| 13:54.20 | redandvidya1 | lol |
| 13:54.29 | redandvidya1 | what is the default networking thing in debian anyways? |
| 13:54.31 | redandvidya1 | network manager? |
| 13:54.33 | redandvidya1 | systemd networking? |
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| 13:54.36 | Andorspider | now i am having to wipe it again and make a 100gb partition |
| 13:54.37 | Andorspider | lol |
| 13:54.58 | redandvidya1 | how big is your drive |
| 13:55.08 | Andorspider | 3 TB |
| 13:55.28 | krumelmonster | /etc/adduser.conf looks fine: NAME_REGEX="^[a-z][-a-z0-9_]*\$" |
| 13:55.29 | Andorspider | storage hd for files |
| 13:55.37 | redandvidya1 | wow thats big |
| 13:55.43 | redandvidya1 | anyways can anyone answer my network question :b |
| 13:56.18 | Andorspider | but hi and bye |
| 13:56.23 | Andorspider | thanks for talking to me |
| 13:56.31 | Andorspider | means this program is working :) |
| 13:56.51 | redandvidya1 | ok |
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| 13:57.09 | redandvidya1 | anyways |
| 13:57.13 | redandvidya1 | good idea or naw? |
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| 14:00.25 | redandvidya1 | is the network shit in debian even replacable? |
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| 14:00.41 | redandvidya1 | hello? |
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| 14:04.54 | CrystalMath | i just use a static configuration now |
| 14:05.21 | CrystalMath | for the network |
| 14:05.27 | CrystalMath | no DHCP |
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| 14:06.24 | redandvidya1 | ah |
| 14:06.46 | redandvidya1 | CrystalMath what networking stuff was in default debian? |
| 14:06.52 | redandvidya1 | network manager? wicd? netctl? |
| 14:07.12 | redandvidya1 | because i don't have that extremely slow internet issue I had with debian in fedora, ubuntu, or arch |
| 14:07.15 | karlpinc | redandvidya1: The default network thing in debian is /etc/network/interfaces. |
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| 14:07.38 | karlpinc | redandvidya1: Did you install from the unoffical install image which includes non-free firmware? |
| 14:07.42 | redandvidya1 | yeah actually |
| 14:07.46 | redandvidya1 | and even so |
| 14:07.50 | redandvidya1 | the internet is unbearingly slow |
| 14:07.53 | greycat | Most people who talk about "default" are not using the actual defaults. |
| 14:08.05 | redandvidya1 | i'm talking about the default network management karlpinc |
| 14:08.08 | greycat | They're using some weird thing brought on by the choice of an uncommon installation method, etc. |
| 14:08.29 | redandvidya1 | wait didn't you literally just talk about this issue with me two weeks ago? |
| 14:08.32 | redandvidya1 | im rav30 / rav31 |
| 14:08.35 | karlpinc | redandvidya1: Dunno. You might (possibly) try a newer kernel from backports and see if that helps. |
| 14:08.47 | black_puppydog | oh hey all, I was just dropping in to look for help with an issue about unbearably slow internet :P |
| 14:09.00 | redandvidya1 | i can't tell if thats a joke or not |
| 14:09.02 | karlpinc | redandvidya1: Probably. But I'm not a wifi guy. IIRC I helped some with the install. |
| 14:09.10 | greycat | redandvidya1: If you install Debian from the normal, regular install images, and select "Standard" and not any Desktop Environments, and if you have a working network during the installation, you will almost certainly end up with a single interface DHCP configuration in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 14:09.22 | redandvidya1 | I did select debian xfce |
| 14:09.32 | redandvidya1 | idk if that makes a difference |
| 14:09.44 | redandvidya1 | although I don't think xfce makes a difference |
| 14:09.54 | redandvidya1 | i was able to install debian netinst (i cant remember if free or nonfree) |
| 14:09.59 | redandvidya1 | without any wifi issues AFTER install |
| 14:10.05 | redandvidya1 | even with xfce |
| 14:10.16 | krumelmonster | solved my problem by commenting out NAME_REGEX="^[a-z][-a-z0-9_]*\$" from /etc/adduser.conf altogether |
| 14:10.17 | redandvidya1 | but now trying to replicate the same situation leaves unbearingly slow internet |
| 14:10.27 | redandvidya1 | in ethernet, usb tethering, and "wifi" |
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| 14:10.43 | redandvidya1 | im not running debian rn tho |
| 14:10.49 | redandvidya1 | using arch, but wanting to move back to deb for the stability |
| 14:10.51 | karlpinc | redandvidya1: Did you use usb teathering to do the install? |
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| 14:12.04 | karlpinc | redandvidya1: Might help to do the install with the same setup you're planning on using on a regular basis. |
| 14:12.31 | karlpinc | redandvidya1: (Especially if non-free firmware is required.) |
| 14:12.42 | black_puppydog | I might not even be in the right channel... So my issue is a stalling wifi connection, on an Intel wireless N 2200 wifi card. And while looking into that I realized that the (nonfree) firmware for that is located in /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-2000-6.ucode, so that would make it version 6, while the intel website lists version 18 as current. so I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing, or if I'm not, what to |
| 14:12.44 | black_puppydog | do next, or who to contact about this. |
| 14:12.57 | redandvidya1 | my wifi is the infamous mt7601u |
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| 14:13.17 | redandvidya1 | black_puppydog ayy, another dude having internet issues |
| 14:13.21 | redandvidya1 | the PAIN |
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| 14:14.39 | black_puppydog | yeah sorry. this one has been creeping along for years, but it has been getting worse lately. the machine is a lenovo so I can't just swap out the 2200 for something decent (hardware whitelist) even though from what I understand, the 2200 was never good by any stretch |
| 14:14.44 | redandvidya1 | karlpinc actually no |
| 14:14.46 | karlpinc | black_puppydog: This https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Updating_firmware says you might use fwupd to update firmware. |
| 14:14.57 | redandvidya1 | i didn't use usb for installation |
| 14:15.00 | redandvidya1 | i actually used wifi |
| 14:15.01 | redandvidya1 | and it worked |
| 14:15.08 | redandvidya1 | its just that post install it doesnt work, nor any networking |
| 14:15.12 | redandvidya1 | i mean it does work but it's extremely slow |
| 14:15.16 | karlpinc | black_puppydog: What version of debian? |
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| 14:15.49 | karlpinc | redandvidya1: Debian always has an issue supporting the latest hardware. Which is why a backported kernel can help. |
| 14:16.32 | redandvidya1 | so would I have to use the debian testing netinst to fix this? |
| 14:16.33 | greycat | I'm not sure a newer kernel helps particularly much with wifi, unless the newer kernel is prereq for some bleeding edge firmware. |
| 14:16.37 | redandvidya1 | ^^ |
| 14:16.41 | karlpinc | redandvidya1: The installer isn't going to install the necessary firmware if you don't have the device plugged in. That leaves you do it after the fact, and setup whatever else that the installer would otherwise do for you. |
| 14:16.58 | redandvidya1 | i even used older kernels (granted, it WAS ubuntu) but it worked with my mt7601u flawlessly |
| 14:17.25 | greycat | Most likely, Ubuntu installed some non-free firmware for you, which Debian did not. |
| 14:17.51 | karlpinc | greycat is right, a newer kernel might not help. On the other hand, it's easy to do and when it comes to quickly poking it with a stick it's something to try. |
| 14:18.44 | greycat | And no, you wouldn't grab a "testing netinst" (I don't even know what that -means-). You'd grab a buster-backports kernel. |
| 14:18.53 | karlpinc | redandvidya1: Your hardware working on other distros points to a non-free firmware issue -- but that's a guess. |
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| 14:19.23 | redandvidya1 | ehhhhh |
| 14:19.29 | redandvidya1 | i would understand if it was wifi |
| 14:19.36 | redandvidya1 | but the thing is with debian ALL networking is slow |
| 14:19.42 | redandvidya1 | even ethernet |
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| 14:20.01 | redandvidya1 | with the slow internet that it gives I can render google in 30 seconds, no image |
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| 14:20.13 | redandvidya1 | interestingly i also had this same issue with void linux |
| 14:20.25 | redandvidya1 | but it's a less popular distro, so less documentation so i just gave up |
| 14:20.33 | redandvidya1 | idk why the same issue is happening on debian |
| 14:20.40 | redandvidya1 | anyways im on arch rn and wifi is working |
| 14:20.44 | redandvidya1 | so :shrug: |
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| 14:20.52 | redandvidya1 | maybe it's netctl that makes it work? idk man |
| 14:22.54 | black_puppydog | @karlpinc unstable. but I'm reading up on fwupd. it doesn't seem to recognize the wifi as updatable so far... let me spend a bit more time on this :P |
| 14:23.05 | redandvidya1 | do you have ethernet? |
| 14:23.15 | redandvidya1 | just connect it to that and then download the firmware that way |
| 14:23.36 | karlpinc | black_puppydog: Unstable breaks. You want support on otfc.net in #debian-next. |
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| 14:23.46 | karlpinc | !debian-next |
| 14:23.46 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:24.04 | redandvidya1 | exactly |
| 14:24.15 | redandvidya1 | I would just like to use debian stable for the stability |
| 14:24.30 | redandvidya1 | but the thing is debian stable currently doesn't work at all |
| 14:24.33 | redandvidya1 | in internet |
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| 14:24.37 | redandvidya1 | debian stable free OR nonfree |
| 14:24.47 | redandvidya1 | i specifically downloaded the nonfree image and still doesn't work |
| 14:25.29 | karlpinc | redandvidya1: So either fuss further with the existing install or re-install with the hardware you're planning on using plugged in. |
| 14:25.40 | greycat | redandvidya1: you're just spinning in circles at this point. If you actually want help, you'll need to tell us what the hardware is (output from lspci -nn or lsusb). |
| 14:26.02 | redandvidya1 | greycat karlpinc i'm not actually running debian right now, thats the thing |
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| 14:26.11 | redandvidya1 | i'm trying to prepare on what I need to do to get wifi working |
| 14:26.24 | redandvidya1 | karlpinc when I did install, the hardware wifi was already plugged in |
| 14:26.28 | redandvidya1 | and it worked during the netinstall |
| 14:26.40 | karlpinc | redandvidya1: lspci -nn and lsusb should both work enough to give us the uuid/usb id. |
| 14:26.40 | redandvidya1 | only during post install which all networking didnt work |
| 14:26.45 | black_puppydog | @karlpinc yeah but honestlys, I can work around the wifi sucking. I'm more interested right now in how firmware is handled in debian and why it didn't get updated for so long. I honestly never spent time looking into this (not my profession nor hobby to fix wifi, I guess some here can relate) so I'm quite surprised that there seems to be no automatic firmware "pipeline" from the intel releases through the |
| 14:26.47 | black_puppydog | iwlwifi-firmware package to the actual device. |
| 14:27.14 | redandvidya1 | karlpinc okay, but beware that the results are from an arch system |
| 14:27.16 | black_puppydog | but I'm clearly lacking in knowledge on how firmware is handled at all. thanks for the pointers already :) |
| 14:27.19 | redandvidya1 | hopefully shouldnt change much |
| 14:27.19 | TheFirstGoodmaN | Hi, maybe someone can gave ma hint, i am using watchdog `5.15-2` with debian `9.11` and i have set a sigterm-delay to wait beofre sending a sigkill, but it is always waiting this delay. a normal reboot works instantly so there should be no process he is should be waiting for. How could i debug this? Or is someone aware of this? |
| 14:27.44 | karlpinc | black_puppydog: Maybe you need to file a bug report with the firmware package so that they put the new firmware in. (Or maybe what's in debian only works with the old firmware, or....) |
| 14:28.05 | redandvidya1 | karlpinc https://pastebin.com/2JPweVJz |
| 14:28.41 | black_puppydog | @karlpinc that's kind of what I was gonna ask. :P |
| 14:29.13 | karlpinc | black_puppydog: File a bug report or look on packages.debian.org for the package maintainers and communicate with them. |
| 14:29.40 | black_puppydog | okay, will do. thanks :) |
| 14:29.50 | karlpinc | black_puppydog: Maybe somebody here knows, but you'll have to be paitent. Clearly nobody's responding now. |
| 14:29.52 | redandvidya1 | why ALL networking is broken though for some of us |
| 14:30.28 | redandvidya1 | ethernet + usb tethering + wifi broken! |
| 14:30.30 | karlpinc | redandvidya1: Dunno. Maybe something's borking the interrupts. |
| 14:31.21 | karlpinc | redandvidya1: You'll get better responses if you use a better pastebin site than pastebin.com. |
| 14:31.24 | karlpinc | !paste |
| 14:31.24 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:31.31 | greycat | redandvidya1: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/353079/ralink-firmware-mt7601u-not-working-on-debian-id-148f7601 says it's supported in stretch and buster kernels, using the packages firmware-ralink and firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 14:31.57 | greycat | karlpinc: stick /raw in the middle of the URL. curl https://pastebin.com/raw/2JPweVJz |
| 14:32.07 | redandvidya1 | I KNOW RIGHT |
| 14:32.11 | karlpinc | greycat: Thanks. |
| 14:32.13 | redandvidya1 | but I already installed both of those firmwares |
| 14:32.16 | redandvidya1 | and they didn't work |
| 14:32.21 | redandvidya1 | when I last tried debian |
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| 14:32.33 | jelly | greycat: dunno about mt7601u, but mt7610u are buggy as all hell on Linux and it's not worth wasting time to make them work |
| 14:32.35 | redandvidya1 | so i think the network manager is really the thing fucking it all up |
| 14:32.38 | karlpinc | ,pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 14:32.40 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
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| 14:32.51 | redandvidya1 | jelly i've been using mt7601u for months now on distros |
| 14:33.02 | redandvidya1 | i've downloaded entire 20GB games with that driver, ON linux |
| 14:33.45 | jelly | redandvidya1: I've heard only bad things from people using tp-link models on fedora, centos and debian |
| 14:34.17 | jelly | perhaps the chips are different enough. |
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| 14:34.49 | redandvidya1 | tp link? |
| 14:34.54 | redandvidya1 | isn't mt7601u from mediatek? |
| 14:35.10 | greycat | It says "Ralink Technology, Corp." in your lsusb output |
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| 14:36.13 | greycat | I also found http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=135199 which says you have to edit some NetworkManager config file, but clearly that only applies if you're using N-M in the first place. |
| 14:36.34 | redandvidya1 | huh |
| 14:36.47 | redandvidya1 | maybe they're both? |
| 14:37.01 | redandvidya1 | my wifi adapter is literally a small usb dongle with no brand name attached to it |
| 14:37.08 | redandvidya1 | no antennas even |
| 14:37.14 | redandvidya1 | just that small ass red dongle |
| 14:37.14 | redandvidya1 | thats it |
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| 14:37.21 | pagios | hello, i have a soft RAID1 using mdadm linux, i want to shutdown the machine, should i turn off the raid before shutting down using shutdown -h now ? |
| 14:37.24 | pagios | hello, i have a soft RAID1 using mdadm linux, i want to shutdown the machine, should i turn off the raid before shutting down using shutdown -h now ? |
| 14:37.29 | Habbie | pagios, no |
| 14:37.47 | pagios | Habbie, i just shutdown -h now ? |
| 14:37.50 | Habbie | yes |
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| 14:38.44 | pagios | Habbie, another question i want to receive an email when something goes wrong with my raid, so i edited mdadm.conf /etc and put my mail, can i safely do a restart for the service using service mdadm restart or will it affect the state of the raid? |
| 14:38.53 | Habbie | restart should be fine |
| 14:39.06 | redandvidya1 | debian free or nonfree? |
| 14:39.08 | pagios | should i configure any email deamon or so on my machine? |
| 14:39.20 | pagios | i mean to sen the mails |
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| 14:40.19 | karlpinc | pagios: You should install some MTA like postfix or exim4. When you install (or dpkg-reconfigure) you tell it you're using a "smart host" and give it the information necessary to send outbound email from your local box to whatever email service delivers your email. |
| 14:40.21 | pagios | Habbie, or does mdadm have some built in email client/server and does not need config? |
| 14:40.24 | pagios | ok |
| 14:40.24 | jelly | pagios: install and configure a tiny MTA like "msmtp-mta" or "dma" if you want mail from mdadm sent to your actual address |
| 14:40.33 | pagios | got it |
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| 14:40.45 | karlpinc | pagios: Yeah. A tiny MTA is good. |
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| 14:40.52 | pagios | the mta needs to relay to some other servers or can it be a mail server by itself? |
| 14:41.33 | redandvidya1 | anyways |
| 14:41.36 | karlpinc | pagios: Unless you know enough to be able to configure your mail systems so that the Internet knows you're not sending spam it is best to relay through a service that knows how to do this. |
| 14:41.50 | pagios | i dont mind receiving it as spam |
| 14:41.51 | redandvidya1 | is there still ANYWAY to fix the terrible debian internet |
| 14:41.52 | pagios | i can whitelist it |
| 14:42.06 | karlpinc | pagios: Up to you. |
| 14:42.06 | pagios | i mean msmtp-mta can run its tiny server/ |
| 14:42.12 | pagios | ? |
| 14:42.36 | redandvidya1 | if it matters |
| 14:42.49 | redandvidya1 | I have a gigabyte ga-h61m-ds2 motherboard |
| 14:42.50 | redandvidya1 | with ethernet |
| 14:42.50 | karlpinc | redandvidya1: There is if you try installing and then explore and explain the details of the problem. Otherwise just kvetching here won't get you anywhere. |
| 14:43.14 | pagios | karlpinc, i need a tiny mta that sends mails from the server itself, instead of relay to some other parties |
| 14:43.19 | jelly | pagios: msmtp-mta has to be configured to send messages over your existing mail account (eg. gmail or live.com, or wherever your mail service is hosted) |
| 14:43.21 | pagios | should i go with dma? |
| 14:43.25 | redandvidya1 | I want to be prepared before install |
| 14:43.30 | pagios | yea jelly i dont want that |
| 14:43.42 | redandvidya1 | Last time I was stuck in 3 hours trying to figure out why Network is broken |
| 14:43.56 | pagios | i mainly want the email to be sent from the server itself |
| 14:44.06 | redandvidya1 | so can u blame me |
| 14:44.22 | tomreyn | pagios: see also my response to your cross-post in #ubuntu |
| 14:44.39 | pagios | i replied |
| 14:44.47 | jelly | pagios: from the server itself... to WHERE? |
| 14:45.12 | tomreyn | ... and #linux |
| 14:45.13 | jelly | pagios: if you want mail delivered to local mailbox, you can still use dma and read it with, say, mutt. |
| 14:45.19 | pagios | jelly, from the server itself to my gamil |
| 14:45.21 | pagios | gmail |
| 14:45.40 | jelly | pagios: that's what msmtp-mta can do for you. |
| 14:45.41 | pagios | so that my local server acts like a tiny email server |
| 14:46.18 | pagios | jelly, yes but as i understood msmtp-mta relays the mails to my actual gmail account, and from gmail account it goes to my destination |
| 14:46.23 | jelly | pagios: but you need to configure it to login with your user and pass to gmail's submissions or smtps service, and then to send email to your own address. |
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| 14:46.52 | jelly | pagios: "relays the mails to my actual gmail account, and from gmail account it goes to my destination" the destination can also be that same gmail account. |
| 14:47.33 | jelly | so you basically tell it to send mail as you, to you |
| 14:47.39 | jelly | and that's fine. |
| 14:47.41 | pagios | yes so it cant go like root@MYIP -> localmailserver port 25 (SEND not RELAY) ANY destination email server -> destination-email-account? |
| 14:48.03 | jelly | pagios: that has not worked for the last 15 years, sadly |
| 14:48.15 | pagios | even if i get that in spam i dont mind |
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| 14:48.21 | redandvidya1 | what if I just install debian but commandline? wil lthat mean anything |
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| 14:48.35 | redandvidya1 | or maybe if I just install netctl and then a bare desktop environment |
| 14:48.44 | greycat | If you want a real MTA that really sends mail, instead of relaying everything through a smart host, that's great. Totally fine. Just set up the MX records correctly in your DNS domain, probably make sure you have a valid PTR record pointing from your static IP to your domain name, and most receivers will be happy. |
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| 14:49.21 | greycat | redandvidya1: installing only Standard, and not a DE, typically means you will not install N-M. Whether that's relevant here I don't know. |
| 14:49.33 | pagios | greycat, ust set up the MX records correctly in your DNS domain, probably make sure you have a valid PTR record pointing from your static IP to your domain name, and most receivers will be happy. <--- those are for avoiding spam, but i dont mind that |
| 14:49.36 | jelly | pagios: you don't want to set up your own actual mail server that sends mail over SMTP itself. Managing a mail server on internet is a pain and a full time job. |
| 14:49.39 | redandvidya1 | yeah ill try that |
| 14:49.45 | redandvidya1 | thanks! |
| 14:49.51 | jelly | pagios: instead of that, use a null mailer like msmtp. |
| 14:49.55 | greycat | Especially in light of that debian forum post that said you have to edit the N-M configs, which was just flat out assuming the OP was using N-M. |
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| 14:50.19 | greycat | pagios: no, those are for the RECEIVER to not think that YOU are a spammer. |
| 14:50.20 | pagios | jelly, ok so with msmtp i can send from my server instead of relaying to a smarthost? |
| 14:50.29 | pagios | greycat, yes i get that |
| 14:50.30 | redandvidya1 | wait so just to be sure |
| 14:50.34 | redandvidya1 | ill download |
| 14:50.43 | redandvidya1 | nonfree live debian stable standard? |
| 14:50.44 | jelly | pagios: no. you use a smarthost in a smart manner, with authentication. |
| 14:50.46 | redandvidya1 | just to be ssure |
| 14:50.53 | greycat | redandvidya1: NOT LIVE |
| 14:50.57 | pagios | jelly, greycat he said it is doable |
| 14:51.03 | greycat | JEEESUS, were you installing from a LIVE image?! |
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| 14:51.13 | redandvidya1 | wait what |
| 14:51.22 | jelly | pagios: but all the apps on your server will think they're using a local mta that sends mail dierctly. |
| 14:51.23 | pagios | greycat, what is the name? a nullmailer the one that sends without relaying to smarthost? |
| 14:51.27 | redandvidya1 | i didn't install from live image last time |
| 14:51.31 | greycat | OK, good. |
| 14:51.39 | redandvidya1 | and internet still didn't work |
| 14:51.41 | redandvidya1 | so eh |
| 14:51.51 | redandvidya1 | whats so bad about live images? curious |
| 14:52.02 | greycat | !live install |
| 14:52.05 | greycat | meh |
| 14:52.22 | redandvidya1 | !live |
| 14:52.22 | dpkg | [live] The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system (although the installer is better to use). Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. <UEFI> mode is supported by Debian Live images. |
| 14:52.31 | redandvidya1 | !liveinstall |
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| 14:52.59 | redandvidya1 | the last time I did do netinstall in standard i couldn't download internet |
| 14:53.06 | pagios | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.13 | annadane | the live image is meant for live image stuff (though it does include calamares now). the installer is for actual installing |
| 14:53.15 | greycat | postfix, exim4, sendmail, etc. |
| 14:53.17 | redandvidya1 | or more specifically connect to the internet |
| 14:53.25 | redandvidya1 | oh hello annadane |
| 14:53.42 | redandvidya1 | still deciding how to install debian with...working internet xD |
| 14:53.47 | annadane | you're probably missing firmware, try using the non free image |
| 14:53.52 | redandvidya1 | its probably the network manager thats broken |
| 14:53.58 | redandvidya1 | uhhh |
| 14:54.07 | redandvidya1 | i'm rav30 / rav31 |
| 14:54.11 | redandvidya1 | from last month? |
| 14:54.12 | jelly | pagios: let me emphasize: you DON'T WANT to run a mail server like that. Not if your goal is getting notificaions from mdadm when a disk dies. |
| 14:54.13 | redandvidya1 | or was it last week |
| 14:54.14 | redandvidya1 | idk |
| 14:54.22 | annadane | i don't remember you, so that doesn't help |
| 14:54.29 | greycat | if it's *just* N-M that's broken, all you have to do is make sure the interface is configured in /etc/network/intefaces, and N-M will not touch that interface at all |
| 14:54.29 | redandvidya1 | LOL |
| 14:54.46 | redandvidya1 | i'm not really sure if nm is broken anyways |
| 14:54.52 | redandvidya1 | all i know is that i've installed the right firmware |
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| 14:55.03 | redandvidya1 | and internet still doesn't work (ethernet, usb, wifi) |
| 14:55.10 | redandvidya1 | so that leaves the network manager |
| 14:55.14 | redandvidya1 | i also had this issue in void |
| 14:55.25 | pagios | jelly, why not |
| 14:55.28 | greycat | You're STILL going in circles. |
| 14:55.39 | greycat | Just repeating the things you've already said, over and over. |
| 14:55.48 | greycat | Do the install, or don't do the install. |
| 14:56.01 | redandvidya1 | the thing is i have no other method of communication |
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| 14:56.15 | redandvidya1 | so i cant troubleshoot |
| 14:56.33 | annadane | can you not just use a live image and check dmesg | grep firmware and see if you are actually missing any firmware? because that's the first thing i would check |
| 14:57.01 | greycat | They CLAIMED that they had the firmware installed, and it was still "extremely slow". |
| 14:57.12 | redandvidya1 | I did though! |
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| 14:57.31 | redandvidya1 | I had this issue last week / last 2 weeks and I literally went here |
| 14:57.34 | redandvidya1 | and talked about it |
| 14:57.47 | redandvidya1 | I installed firmware-realtek and firmware-nonfree, still slow internet |
| 14:57.49 | redandvidya1 | " |
| 14:58.02 | redandvidya1 | By slow internet I mean, 1880 bytes per second |
| 14:58.14 | redandvidya1 | I can render google, no title image, but thats it |
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| 14:58.19 | Fox | that's more than enough for ssh :) |
| 14:58.31 | greycat | 09:31 greycat> redandvidya1: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/353079/ralink-firmware-mt7601u-not-working-on-debian-id-148f7601 says it's supported in stretch and buster kernels, using the packages firmware-ralink and firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 14:58.41 | greycat | 09:57 redandvidya1> I installed firmware-realtek and firmware-nonfree |
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| 14:59.18 | redandvidya1 | Doesn't buster already have 4.19? |
| 14:59.22 | jelly | pagios: it's a lot of constant work |
| 14:59.28 | redandvidya1 | And the firmware was implemented in 4.2 |
| 14:59.31 | greycat | 09:58 greycat> firmware-ralink and firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 14:59.33 | redandvidya1 | So it doesn't make any sense |
| 14:59.40 | greycat | 09:57 redandvidya1> I installed firmware-realtek and firmware-nonfree |
| 14:59.57 | pagios | jelly why is that its only for sending emails |
| 14:59.59 | pagios | not receiving |
| 15:00.07 | pagios | i just want to send a small notification |
| 15:00.39 | annadane | just to be pedantic there isn't a firmware-nonfree. you have firmware-misc-nonfree and firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 15:00.52 | greycat | And "ralink" and "realtek" are different words. |
| 15:00.57 | redandvidya1 | yeah I meant misc |
| 15:00.58 | redandvidya1 | sorry |
| 15:01.07 | annadane | so, install ralink and see if it helps? |
| 15:01.20 | redandvidya1 | eh |
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| 15:01.27 | redandvidya1 | i'm downloading the netinst image to try rn |
| 15:01.33 | redandvidya1 | So: just to be clear |
| 15:01.52 | redandvidya1 | Downloading the nonfree debian stable netinst |
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| 15:01.58 | redandvidya1 | And then I'll install the standard version |
| 15:01.59 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 15:02.16 | redandvidya1 | uh |
| 15:02.22 | redandvidya1 | am I doing something wrong :b |
| 15:02.29 | Fox | redandvidya1: why the hell don't you do what people ask you to do ? you just lost greycat, shame on you |
| 15:02.32 | annadane | you can always manually copy over the firmwares you need to... i forget what it is, the top level directory of the installer or the "firmware" subfolder, the installation guide tells you how to do it |
| 15:02.44 | redandvidya1 | Fox i'm trying |
| 15:02.53 | redandvidya1 | I don't have debian installed on my system rn |
| 15:03.06 | greycat | I'm not interested in having to reassure them 37 times in a row. |
| 15:03.15 | redandvidya1 | What I'm TRYING to do is to be sure what to do after installing so that internet works |
| 15:03.19 | annadane | or use the non free image. i don't know if ralink is included in that or not or if you've tried the non free image at all |
| 15:03.24 | redandvidya1 | I have |
| 15:03.32 | redandvidya1 | have had weird issues with it in the past but eh |
| 15:03.50 | redandvidya1 | I'm still downloading the iso |
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| 15:05.14 | annadane | presumably if the internet is slow then it also means the internet will be slow during the install which is a pain if you're using the netinst, so i'd either use non-free image or manually copy over the firmware you need |
| 15:05.33 | annadane | unless i'm missing something in the explanation |
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| 15:06.26 | redandvidya1 | now |
| 15:06.35 | redandvidya1 | the internet is slow post install |
| 15:07.00 | redandvidya1 | but during netinst but it's fast |
| 15:07.07 | redandvidya1 | er...enough as my internet can handle |
| 15:07.12 | redandvidya1 | but still usable for downloading stuff |
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| 15:07.38 | B|ack0p | hi |
| 15:07.44 | redandvidya1 | hello |
| 15:07.50 | B|ack0p | how r u all? |
| 15:08.01 | redandvidya1 | how can we help you |
| 15:08.15 | B|ack0p | well yesterday i couldnt install a gnome extension |
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| 15:09.11 | B|ack0p | this one: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/118/no-topleft-hot-corner/ |
| 15:09.22 | redandvidya1 | installing debian rn wml |
| 15:09.33 | redandvidya1 | so after i'll download firmware and then replace the network manager? |
| 15:10.54 | annadane | redandvidya1, my point was isn't the netinstall also going to be slow? so you can kill two birds with one stone and copy over the firmware before the install |
| 15:11.46 | redandvidya1 | ah |
| 15:11.50 | redandvidya1 | good idea, doing that now |
| 15:11.56 | redandvidya1 | wait huh? |
| 15:12.00 | redandvidya1 | before the install? |
| 15:12.16 | redandvidya1 | no, debian netinstall actually works fine with my internet |
| 15:12.28 | redandvidya1 | its AFTER the install I get the crappy internet |
| 15:13.10 | greycat | They claimed that the network stuff was "not slow" during install, but was "slow" after booting in the installed system. |
| 15:13.18 | greycat | 30 minutes of basically that, no details. |
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| 15:13.36 | redandvidya1 | Yeah, I don't actually have Debian installed on my system right now |
| 15:13.54 | redandvidya1 | The point of me trying to get in here was to know what to do AFTER I install Debian, so I can get good internet |
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| 15:15.10 | Fox | there's no magic answer, first install then provide some debug info to get help |
| 15:15.14 | wasamasa | use an extra device with internet connectivity |
| 15:15.16 | wasamasa | it's not hard |
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| 15:18.45 | B|ack0p | how can i install this annoying gnome shell extension please? |
| 15:18.47 | B|ack0p | :/ |
| 15:19.31 | redandvidya1 | the problem is that you're using gnome |
| 15:19.47 | redandvidya1 | jk |
| 15:19.53 | redandvidya1 | but gnome is generally unpredictable so |
| 15:19.54 | B|ack0p | redandvidya1: yes agree :p |
| 15:20.01 | B|ack0p | what do you use? |
| 15:20.06 | B|ack0p | xfce is too buggy for me |
| 15:20.11 | redandvidya1 | ecks eff see eeee |
| 15:20.11 | B|ack0p | i tried but didnt like it |
| 15:20.19 | redandvidya1 | xfce? buggy? where? |
| 15:20.27 | B|ack0p | panels |
| 15:20.30 | redandvidya1 | eh |
| 15:20.32 | redandvidya1 | fair enough |
| 15:20.32 | B|ack0p | and some functions |
| 15:20.43 | redandvidya1 | B|ack0p try using cinnamon |
| 15:20.46 | redandvidya1 | based on gnome 3 |
| 15:20.49 | redandvidya1 | but more windowsl ike |
| 15:21.06 | B|ack0p | i want gnome2 back. |
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| 15:22.09 | redandvidya1 | Anyways, I'm going to install Debian Stable (netinst, nonfree) now, WML |
| 15:22.39 | B|ack0p | which one is that? |
| 15:22.48 | greycat | mate |
| 15:22.57 | B|ack0p | 4.19.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.67-2+deb10u2 (2019-11-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:23.01 | B|ack0p | is this stable? |
| 15:23.06 | greycat | yes |
| 15:23.09 | B|ack0p | ok |
| 15:23.52 | B|ack0p | to install xfce is this the correct command? sudo apt install xfce4 ? |
| 15:24.26 | pingfloyd | B|ack0p: use mate then |
| 15:24.30 | greycat | !install xfce |
| 15:24.30 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Xfce" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages. |
| 15:24.37 | pingfloyd | B|ack0p: that's basically gnome 2 |
| 15:24.52 | B|ack0p | hmm |
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| 15:25.25 | pingfloyd | B|ack0p: after gnome 2 was forked over to mate |
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| 15:25.51 | B|ack0p | cool |
| 15:26.02 | B|ack0p | !install mate |
| 15:26.02 | dpkg | To install <MATE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install mate-desktop-environment» (for more things, also install mate-desktop-environment-extras). To install using Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "MATE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue". |
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| 15:26.27 | B|ack0p | what about lxde ? |
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| 15:27.34 | pingfloyd | there's also lxqt |
| 15:27.41 | B|ack0p | so how are they? |
| 15:27.52 | pingfloyd | xfce is better |
| 15:27.58 | B|ack0p | i see |
| 15:28.15 | pingfloyd | they're even lighter than xfce though |
| 15:28.37 | B|ack0p | i like gnome classic look but .. that topleft corner activity is annoying |
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| 15:33.28 | B|ack0p | brb reboot |
| 15:33.37 | hilt | how to minimize window? Only right click? |
| 15:34.01 | greycat | That depends on your window manager. Each one does things its own way. |
| 15:34.12 | annadane | that question implies GNOME, i'm so sorry |
| 15:34.30 | greycat | Some of them have a clickable widget in the upper right corner, a la Microsoft Windows. Some of them have a clickable pulldown menu button in the upper left corner. |
| 15:34.31 | hilt | gnome by the way |
| 15:34.37 | annadane | it's whatever the keyboard shortcut for it is and also you can install an extension to get minimize/maximize functionality |
| 15:35.03 | hilt | ctrl + H |
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| 15:35.27 | hilt | * super + H |
| 15:35.40 | annadane | you found it? |
| 15:35.59 | hilt | yes |
| 15:36.02 | greycat | Some of them have a clickable root menu, with an "Iconify" or "Minimize" selection. After choosing that from the menu, clicking the target window will minimize it. |
| 15:36.26 | annadane | it's not that keyboard focused isn't nice but gnome has to confuse the heck out of new users :/ |
| 15:36.55 | greycat | I've never used any modern version of GNOME. I poked around at it a little bit in the 1.x days. |
| 15:37.15 | greycat | or maybe it was before 1.x |
| 15:39.05 | hilt | so true |
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| 16:01.36 | elm_ | I have just released debcheckroot-v2.0: https://www.elstel.org/debcheckroot/ |
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| 16:01.54 | elm_ | if anyone wants to test or discuss the tool I am currently online. |
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| 16:04.09 | TheFirstGoodmaN | Has someone a hint for me. |
| 16:05.18 | TheFirstGoodmaN | I am struggeling with watchdog, it always waits the sigterm-delay even if it seems there is no process which is not terminating. How could i debug such an issue? I tried verbose but there is no logging after it reboots the system. |
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| 16:14.30 | jelly | TheFirstGoodmaN: maybe ask in a kernel related channel |
| 16:14.50 | jelly | TheFirstGoodmaN: like #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net |
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| 16:15.19 | TheFirstGoodmaN | @jelly i try, thanks! |
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| 16:26.10 | Abdullah | E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 16:26.12 | Abdullah | E: Unable to lock directory /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 16:27.56 | OerHeks | looks like you have a packetmanager open, and terminal trying to do something |
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| 16:32.24 | Abdullah | OerHeks: yeah |
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| 16:55.24 | jelly | Abdullah: are you root doing that, and which command was it? |
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| 17:13.02 | thomas1 | bonsoir j'ai un petit probleme avec apt: j'ai un dépot perso mais que j'ai changé ma clef GPG j'ai cette erreur:W: Le fichier configuré « recompiled/binary-amd64/Packages » ne sera pas pris en compte car le dépôt « http://zoeurk.ddns.net/Packages ./zoeurk InRelease » ne semble pas capable de le fournir (erreur de saisie dans sources.list ?) |
| 17:13.43 | diogenes_ | !fr | thomas1 |
| 17:14.01 | diogenes_ | !fr |
| 17:14.01 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. |
| 17:14.10 | thomas1 | désolé |
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| 17:14.40 | thomas1 | oups sorry |
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| 17:34.53 | jmd | I don't seem to be able to kill process number 1. |
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| 17:35.10 | greycat | That's expected. |
| 17:35.16 | wasamasa | pid1 is like that |
| 17:35.38 | jhutchins_wk | jmd: Why did you think you wanted to? |
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| 17:36.05 | jmd | jhutchins_wk: Please don't answer a question with another question. |
| 17:36.13 | greycat | jmd: *plonk* |
| 17:36.18 | wasamasa | it's no surprise lennart's blog is titled "Pid Eins" |
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| 17:37.04 | jmd | wasamasa: "lennart's blog" ? |
| 17:37.27 | wxb | Do I have to reboot for wifi firmware to take effect? |
| 17:37.31 | wasamasa | jmd: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html |
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| 17:37.51 | jhutchins_wk | jmd: You didn't ask a question. |
| 17:38.04 | diogenes_ | wxb, for some yes. |
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| 17:40.14 | wxb | diogenes_, I'm getting r8188eu 3-1:1.0: firmware: failed to load rtlwifi/rtl8188eufw.bin (-2) in dmesg... I installed firmware-realtek but that message persists... |
| 17:40.27 | wxb | diogenes_, Should I reboot? Or did I get the wrong firmware? |
| 17:40.33 | jelly | judd: file rtlwifi/rtl8188eufw.bin |
| 17:40.39 | judd | Search for rtlwifi/rtl8188eufw.bin in buster/amd64: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8188eufw.bin |
| 17:41.15 | jelly | wxb: you probably need to either unload the module and modprobe it again, or reboot |
| 17:41.45 | jelly | the file exists in debian 10's firmware-realtek package, says bot |
| 17:41.58 | wxb | jelly, Reboot is probably simpler. I must admit that I'm disappointed that the dongle doesn't have free firmware :( |
| 17:42.31 | wxb | going for a reboot. brb |
| 17:42.40 | jelly | precious few chips have free firmware. |
| 17:42.52 | wxb | jelly, Alas. Orders of evil.... |
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| 17:45.21 | jmd | jelly: Then buy the precious few. Ask the salesman when you buy! |
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| 17:47.15 | wxb | Okay - so the firmware loaded! I now get a new entry in ls /sys/class/net # : enp0s25 lo wls3 wlx00e04c792dfa |
| 17:47.26 | wxb | How can I select the dongle and not the internal wifi card? |
| 17:49.00 | Ankman | wxb: what app do you use to connect? should have a pull down menu now allowing you to select the source |
| 17:50.02 | wxb | Ankman, Network manager |
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| 17:52.04 | Ankman | can only guess here |
| 17:53.50 | Ankman | when you click "wifi not connected" and then "wi-fi-settings" you can select a MAC address. may be (i only have one card so can't be sure) you can select the MAC address of the device you want |
| 17:54.04 | StyXman | after a few hours I'm going to ask again |
| 17:54.21 | StyXman | there are many id3 tag editors in debian, but do you know of any (preferably gui) that also can organize files based on them? like id3ren, but maybe better |
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| 17:55.02 | wxb1 | Ankman, I think it worked :) Thank! |
| 17:55.05 | wxb1 | *thanks |
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| 17:55.33 | Ankman | yw |
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| 17:56.27 | Ankman | but thank the guy recommending to install firmware |
| 17:56.29 | Ankman | aww |
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| 17:57.03 | Ankman | StyXman: i used id3tag (text only) for mp3 |
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| 17:57.34 | thiras | hello. I've a situation little complex. I need to create /var/lib/postgresql directory before installing postgres service. So there is no way to chown before installing postgres. I'm wondering to know if APT overrides the ownership of the file while installing? |
| 17:57.35 | Ankman | there is a gui app called easytag which also allows to add meta data to m4a, ogg and other formats |
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| 17:58.31 | Ankman | it has a bug though i reported years ago which was never fixed. if an m4a file for example has an *.mp3 extension it will destroy the file |
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| 18:00.04 | StyXman | Ankman: the question is if I can later rename the file based on the tags |
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| 18:01.28 | Ankman | StyXman: what do you mean with organise? |
| 18:02.10 | StyXman | wxb1: if you want hw that's definitely free, check https://ryf.fsf.org/ |
| 18:02.30 | StyXman | Ankman: using the file's tag, rename the file based on those, like |
| 18:02.40 | Ankman | umm, well renaming should be no problem. just keep the file type intact |
| 18:03.22 | greycat | I cannot imagine why you'd expect a GUI for a mass-renaming tool. |
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| 18:05.24 | StyXman | greycat: well, I kinda developed such a thing, but it was a music player with integrated tag edition and renaming |
| 18:05.36 | Ankman | StyXman: ah, renaming based on the meta tag |
| 18:05.40 | StyXman | but it's been years since I stopped writing it |
| 18:05.42 | Ankman | when i do |
| 18:05.44 | StyXman | Ankman: yes |
| 18:05.56 | Ankman | mpv -ao null -endpos 0:00 Herbie_Hancock_-_Rockit.mp3 | grep Artist |
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| 18:06.04 | StyXman | and I need to port it to py3 and pyqt5 but two kids, so |
| 18:06.11 | Ankman | it returns " Artist: Herbie Hancock" |
| 18:06.24 | StyXman | Ankman: yeah, I guess I could do something like that |
| 18:06.32 | StyXman | ok, thanks for the input |
| 18:06.40 | Ankman | with some cut and stuff you could put this together |
| 18:06.42 | Ankman | yw |
| 18:06.44 | StyXman | it's just that I miss my old project :-( |
| 18:06.47 | wxb2 | greycat, I think some people, myself included, are more comfortable with GUIs. |
| 18:07.19 | greycat | if the *only* thing the tool does is a one-time mass renaming, developing a GUI for it is overkill and a waste of time |
| 18:07.27 | StyXman | well, I prefer cli if I need to automate it and I always have a terminal open, but GUIs can be useful too |
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| 18:07.46 | StyXman | greycat: well, the point is, it would not on;y do that |
| 18:08.01 | greycat | Also, for getting the metadata ("tag") info, there's ffprobe. |
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| 18:09.24 | greycat | Sadly, it doesn't normalize the headers between formats. You get "artist" on an MP3 and "ARTIST" on an Ogg. :-/ |
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| 18:09.53 | EdePopede | for text based operation the "G" isn't really needed. some of them (think K3b; or mpv usind youtube-dl) use cli tools to do their operations. often a couple of scripts or oneliners are enough, maybe with some wrapper script to have them ready in one place. or something ncurses based. |
| 18:10.13 | StyXman | well, I do have the code in python, I guess I can build a tool with that |
| 18:10.20 | EdePopede | argh. sounds like a bug that should be fixed |
| 18:10.58 | Ankman | here i cannot grep with ffprobe. the output appears to be *one* line |
| 18:10.59 | wxb2 | Interesting. I mean in the end there is a difference between what developers are willing to develop, and what certain users are capable of doing. I can see how a developer might not want to make a GUI for a program that only does one thing, even if many people would find it easier to use than more powerful CLI tools. |
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| 18:14.01 | jelly | thiras: it does, all non-root non-default ownerships and permissions are set when package installation scripts are run |
| 18:14.32 | EdePopede | wxb2: a developer may not even see the need, with time the scripts and oneliners become bigger and more complex. and there are helpers like shell history and functions. and if it is only a rather simple task of "do $x with @y" but used often, its place would maybe be in a function reading the list of filenames from somewhere |
| 18:14.57 | thiras | thank you jelly |
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| 18:16.52 | Akuw | is there any good free proxy ? |
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| 18:17.10 | wxb2 | Akuw, If it's free it probs is selling your :) |
| 18:17.13 | annadane | i understand if no one knows this but how safe is "open terminal here" in thunar (or i guess any other file manager)? i've heard from some people it isn't reliable when you're doing file operations |
| 18:17.13 | jelly | thiras: you can install postgresql-common in advance if you want it created automatically, but no actual database brought up |
| 18:17.16 | wxb2 | *you |
| 18:18.12 | Akuw | hummm |
| 18:18.12 | thiras | thanks not sure if it's help my situation but i'll add that to test scenario |
| 18:18.59 | jelly | Akuw: proxy like software to run, or proxy like a service running somewhere already ready to use? |
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| 18:19.16 | wxb2 | EdePopede, Interesting. I mean, seeing as I don't know how to code at all, I only have the GUI-user perspective! |
| 18:19.21 | Akuw | second option |
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| 18:19.37 | jelly | Akuw: Tor basically implements a proxy. |
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| 18:20.46 | jelly | free open proxies on the internet are discouraged. |
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| 18:20.59 | jelly | (easily abused) |
| 18:21.09 | annadane | that being said do realizing tor has caveats, which are publicized (and no not the "the nsa has a backdoor in tor" thing but just the limitations of the technology) |
| 18:21.14 | annadane | do realize* |
| 18:22.19 | annadane | good job, me, for saying the caveats are publicized and then not link to the page i'm thinking of because i didn't bother to look it up first and can't find it now |
| 18:22.38 | EdePopede | wxb2: not necessarily. a function in a file you could source on login, and if you mean GUI as in GTK there's always a potential console based alternative. i always prefered to use alsamixer over pulseaudio. |
| 18:22.58 | annadane | anyway yes, tor is "a proxy" |
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| 18:24.00 | wxb2 | EdePopede, I must admit that some console displays are real nice. I like htop and use it, but never the task manager equivalent. |
| 18:24.06 | Ankman | hates pulseaudio |
| 18:24.33 | EdePopede | wxb2: task manager equivalent? |
| 18:24.45 | wxb2 | Ankman, But it's heart beats for u lol |
| 18:24.56 | Ankman | :-) |
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| 18:25.11 | Ankman | had a hard time to remove it a decade ago |
| 18:25.15 | wxb2 | EdePopede, LXTask For example. |
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| 18:28.37 | Ankman | i installed this debian in 2007 and imported it into several computers after that. in 2007 PA was so CPU hungry i could not play MP3 files |
| 18:29.08 | annadane | it's okay for me in Buster though does occasionally have minor glitches |
| 18:29.26 | annadane | better than in Stretch, where i'd merely plug in my headphones and get this screeeeeeeeeeech |
| 18:29.59 | EdePopede | wxb2: ah, never used it, or at least i think so. had a look at something similar years ago and dropped it. couldn't even have the columns keeping their width, and if the header says "% CPU {arrow]" and the '120%' a few lines below only needs half of the column, but it is not possible at all to make it smaller... and then using proportional width fonts for (mostly) numeric columns and not even align them properly. thanks no. |
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| 18:31.53 | Ankman | anyone using gnome? |
| 18:32.14 | annadane | Ankman, just ask your real question |
| 18:32.20 | Ankman | after some update i cannot switch users anymore. the option was gone |
| 18:32.24 | wxb2 | !anyone |
| 18:32.24 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 18:32.35 | annadane | which debian branch? stable? |
| 18:33.00 | Ankman | testing with a mix of sid |
| 18:33.04 | Ankman | bullseye/sid |
| 18:33.06 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 18:33.07 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:33.13 | annadane | you really need to specify things like that |
| 18:33.24 | annadane | how is anyone going to know? |
| 18:34.00 | Ankman | it worked with this setup since years. just recently this option went away |
| 18:34.08 | EdePopede | https://wiki.lxde.org/de/images/d/dd/LXTask.png <<< uses about 40% of my screen height only to show me 10 entries and 2 bars. my htop runs in an xterm with 56 lines and isn't less readable at all. |
| 18:34.10 | wxb2 | thinks that sometimes one doesn't know what others need to know to help... |
| 18:34.12 | Ankman | when i use Mate instead it works |
| 18:34.27 | annadane | yeah but the default user experience is debian stable. testing/sid can break, so ask in the appropriate channel |
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| 18:37.50 | Ankman | annadane: ok |
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| 18:51.13 | YesMan | Hi |
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| 18:51.43 | YesMan | What system backup tool are people using? I'm looking for something dead simple that supports incremental backups |
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| 18:52.19 | diogenes_ | try dejadup. |
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| 18:52.46 | jmd | YesMan: "simple" and "incremental backup" are mutually exclusive. |
| 18:53.17 | jmd | Effective backups are also expensive! |
| 18:53.35 | jmd | In both time and money. |
| 18:53.51 | annadane | can't people just use cron if you don't care all that much and just want backups? |
| 18:54.40 | greycat | Depends on *how* you're backing up, too. If you're using an external device that has to be manually attached, or inserted, or powered-on, then a cron activation may or may not be suitable. |
| 18:55.03 | Ankman | greycat: +1 |
| 18:55.06 | jmd | annadane: cron doesn't do backups. Cron is a tool to periodically run tasks. |
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| 18:55.39 | RoyK | jmd: still, unless the backup is detachable, it's run periodically, so cron is fine |
| 18:55.54 | annadane | ...one of those tasks being cp /path/to/directory/i/want/to/backup /media/user/externaldrive |
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| 18:56.13 | RoyK | annadane: or replace cp by rsync |
| 18:56.13 | jmd | RoyK: But cron is not a backup tool. |
| 18:56.16 | annadane | cron obviously would limit you in some ways, it just depends on what you want |
| 18:56.16 | greycat | rsync is more likely |
| 18:56.21 | RoyK | jmd: I'm aware of that |
| 18:56.23 | annadane | yeah or rsync |
| 18:56.29 | jmd | Then why mention it? |
| 18:56.32 | annadane | i only use cp myself |
| 18:56.44 | annadane | it's entirely up to the user |
| 18:57.12 | RoyK | annadane: cp will overwrite everything if you do an in-place backup - rsync will only update the changes |
| 18:57.18 | jmd | cpio is the canonical backup software. |
| 18:57.18 | diogenes_ | squashfs is a good incremental approach too. |
| 18:57.20 | RoyK | so it saves a wee bit of time |
| 18:57.24 | Ankman | scp -R pr0nfiles some_remote_server: |
| 18:57.33 | annadane | yeah i know, it just depends on what you want |
| 18:57.42 | annadane | but that's a good point |
| 18:57.46 | RoyK | or just use rclone to somewhere |
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| 18:58.06 | annadane | i guess i'm mostly just scared of having to learn rsync's syntax :P |
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| 18:58.32 | jmd | rsync is a huge security hole. It is not used today for serious work. |
| 18:58.44 | RoyK | annadane: rsync -avPHASx will help a lot |
| 18:58.50 | annadane | stop! |
| 18:58.54 | annadane | i quit computers. |
| 18:58.55 | RoyK | jmd: eh? |
| 18:59.17 | RoyK | jmd: sorry, what do you mean? rsync a security hole? |
| 18:59.52 | YesMan | I'd rather have partition backups |
| 19:00.06 | RoyK | snapshots? |
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| 19:00.25 | RoyK | partition backups work, but then your filesystem must be stable |
| 19:00.40 | greycat | "partition backups" and "incremental" really don't mix, especially not with "dead simple" |
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| 19:00.50 | RoyK | greycat: I know |
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| 19:01.21 | greycat | I was talking more to the person who wanted "dead simple" "incremental" "partition backups" ;-) |
| 19:01.22 | RoyK | annadane: no need - jmd is probably smoking something I'd like to try ;) |
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| 19:02.40 | annadane | basically describe your backup needs and then solutions/tools can be offered |
| 19:02.45 | YesMan | It was more like dead simple to setup. The server itself doesn't host anything critical, I just wan't to be able to replace the system disk easily. Incremental would be a nice addition but I can do without. |
| 19:02.51 | annadane | my backup needs are simple, i throw out a lot of stuff |
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| 19:05.31 | revolutionary | entered to the room |
| 19:06.25 | YesMan | RoyK, what do you mean by stable filesystem? |
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| 19:08.50 | annadane | i guess i really didn't answer the question :/ |
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| 19:10.17 | RoyK | YesMan: mount -o ro, perhaps |
| 19:10.35 | YesMan | annadane, I'm sorry did I miss something? |
| 19:10.36 | RoyK | YesMan: or xfs_freeze |
| 19:10.55 | annadane | not really, just me being uselessly philosophical |
| 19:11.01 | revolutionary | how to switch keyboard to another language from terminal? |
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| 19:11.57 | mutante | revolutionary: try 'setxkbmap' |
| 19:12.27 | mutante | followed by a 2 letter code, like "us" "en" "fr" or something |
| 19:12.32 | YesMan | RoyK, Yeah partition backup while system is running isn't safe, that's what you're saying? |
| 19:14.10 | revolutionary | mutante: worked, thanks! |
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| 19:15.32 | mutante | revolutionary: cool, yw |
| 19:17.41 | wsky | /7/7 |
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| 19:19.26 | RoyK | YesMan: yes, backing up a live filesystem without closing files etc isn't a good idea, especially for things like databases |
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| 19:22.48 | revolutionary | is there any easy way to take screenshot on Buster? |
| 19:22.59 | revolutionary | fullscreen or partial |
| 19:23.09 | wsky | i just press prtsc |
| 19:23.15 | wsky | on gnome 3 |
| 19:23.16 | revolutionary | partial would be great |
| 19:23.19 | mutante | revolutionary: use the PrtSc key |
| 19:23.24 | wsky | really depends on de/wm you';re using |
| 19:23.34 | mutante | revolutionary: and then press it together with Shift |
| 19:23.35 | revolutionary | KDE |
| 19:23.47 | wsky | prtsc should do then |
| 19:23.52 | revolutionary | muatante: let me try |
| 19:23.57 | revolutionary | mutante* |
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| 19:26.42 | revolutionary | mutante: it is not working good because i am trying to take SS of a menu and when i pressed PrtSc and shift menu is disappearing |
| 19:27.21 | ryouma | mutante: always? |
| 19:27.27 | YesMan | So for the simplest backup I could use CPIO or a cron cp as suggested. And I could couple that with a manual partition backup. I'm using LVM what's the best way to achieve this? |
| 19:27.29 | ryouma | or only in kde? |
| 19:27.57 | greycat | if you're building a brand new backup, I would seriously suggest starting with rsync |
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| 19:29.48 | mutante | revolutionary: for me it shows a pop-up window where i can select "grab the whole desktop" or "grab the current window" or "select area to grab" and after i do "select area" and hit a button my cursor changes and i can select the area. i use MATE desktop, not KDE |
| 19:30.22 | mutante | ryouma: in MATE (gnome) |
| 19:32.44 | YesMan | greycat, but rsync will only do file backup right? |
| 19:32.55 | greycat | cpio and cp also "only" do file backups |
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| 19:34.07 | ryouma | what is your goal in doing a byte level backup? |
| 19:34.33 | ryouma | it's really rare that you ever want that, i suspect. except of course in real time for mdadm. |
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| 19:35.40 | ryouma | and that is not hte same type of backup |
| 19:35.40 | revolutionary | i found GIMP. But i have a question. I wanna crop picture and paste in new file for that cropped place. Do you know the shortcut key? |
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| 19:38.25 | revolutionary | as i know shift+ctrl+V but not working :S |
| 19:38.35 | schumaml | revolutionary: this pastes as a new layer |
| 19:39.00 | revolutionary | hmm |
| 19:39.14 | revolutionary | what should i do for this job? schumaml |
| 19:39.40 | schumaml | I have no real idea of what you want to achieve yet |
| 19:39.54 | schumaml | can you show any similar example of what you're trying to do? |
| 19:40.30 | somiaj | revolutionary: sometimes with questions about a specific piece of software (Such as gimp) asking their support is more useful |
| 19:40.44 | somiaj | but if you use the menu, dosn't the menu give you the short cut key? |
| 19:40.54 | schumaml | yeah, #gimp - preferably on irc.gimp.org - might be better |
| 19:40.55 | revolutionary | schumaml: i took a full window screenshot with GIMP. I cropped some place with Ctrl+X and i want to paste this cropped place in a new file. |
| 19:41.33 | schumaml | then you want to paste as a new image |
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| 19:41.50 | revolutionary | yes |
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| 19:42.37 | dataCobra | Hello everyone, I've got a problem with one of my usb sticks. |
| 19:42.37 | ryouma | but if you want incremental binary images of partitions there is xdelta) |
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| 19:43.20 | dataCobra | When I plug the usb stick in it gets recognized but direct after this it gets disconnected |
| 19:43.24 | schumaml | revolutionary: ah, I recalled that wrong, it should be shift+ctrl+v |
| 19:43.29 | dataCobra | [ 713.122345] usb 2-2: USB disconnect, device number 13 |
| 19:43.38 | schumaml | if this doesn't work, then maybe you desktop environment eats too many shortcuts |
| 19:43.43 | schumaml | *your |
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| 19:45.13 | revolutionary | schumaml doesn't work :/ |
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| 19:46.42 | schumaml | revolutionary: any particular reason why you want to use the shortcut key instead of the menu entry? if it is only one time or a few, then that should suffice |
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| 19:53.18 | dataCobra | When I plug my usb stick into a USB2 Port all works fine. If I use the same usb stick on an USB3 port it is directly disconnected |
| 19:53.30 | dataCobra | The usb stick is a 3.0 stick |
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| 19:59.00 | somiaj | dataCobra: You can look at the output of dmesg (near the end) after you plug it in to see what the linux kernel is doing. |
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| 20:00.29 | dataCobra | Yeah I did. All seems normal. After he recognize the stick as mass storage. This info comes up |
| 20:00.39 | dataCobra | [ 1791.524127] usb 1-3: USB disconnect, device number 32 |
| 20:00.52 | dataCobra | I also did a fsck |
| 20:01.07 | dataCobra | My other devices working fully fine on this ports |
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| 20:08.14 | dataCobra | Does somebody has an idea? |
| 20:08.53 | somiaj | maybe it is the actual port causing some disconnect issue vs the drive. Do other usb devices work fine in that port? |
| 20:09.06 | dataCobra | Yeahj |
| 20:09.15 | dataCobra | somiaj: Yeah, for example my kindle |
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| 20:10.09 | somiaj | have you tried this usb drive in other machines usb3 ports, but sounds like the kernel is recieving some signle telling it to disconnect |
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| 20:10.30 | dataCobra | Yeah I used it on my desktop pc |
| 20:10.35 | dataCobra | on a usb 3 port |
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| 20:11.52 | dataCobra | My first thought was, that "tlp" is doing something weird on my lapto |
| 20:11.54 | dataCobra | *laptop |
| 20:12.12 | dataCobra | But that does not explain why the usb-stick is not working but my kindle does |
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| 20:12.37 | dataCobra | Maybe something with the format? |
| 20:12.56 | dataCobra | It'a a vfat32 with Partition Type W95 F32 |
| 20:13.00 | karlpinc | dataCobra: If it's the desktop running something causing problems you can log out and try from a vt. See if the problem goes away. Or even in single user mode. |
| 20:13.05 | karlpinc | !vt |
| 20:13.05 | dpkg | well, vt is Virtual Terminal, like the console; change VTs using Alt+Left/Right or Alt+F1, Alt+F2 etc. To get from X to a VT, use Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and Alt+F7 to get back, most likely). You can also use "chvt" to switch VT. VT is also used to mean Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica), ask me about <xve>. |
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| 20:15.02 | dataCobra | Well I tried. |
| 20:15.23 | dataCobra | I use only i3 as my DE and have no fancy stuff running |
| 20:15.47 | karlpinc | Does it matter what port you plug it into? |
| 20:17.00 | karlpinc | dataCobra: You could also look at /var/log/syslog and see if there's anything. (and whatever journalctl shows) |
| 20:17.05 | dataCobra | https://pastebin.com/474yAYKu |
| 20:17.11 | dataCobra | Thats the full dmesg outpu |
| 20:17.19 | dataCobra | output when plugging in a usb3 port |
| 20:17.28 | dataCobra | in an usb2 port there is no problem at all with the stick |
| 20:17.45 | dataCobra | gets direct detected and I can mount it |
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| 20:20.57 | dataCobra | That is the dmesg on the usb2 port |
| 20:20.59 | dataCobra | https://pastebin.com/tMY13ckq |
| 20:22.58 | somiaj | I don't see how the partition type or what is on the usb stick having any affect of the kernel causing it to disconnect the device. The kernel is recieveing some signal. |
| 20:23.22 | karlpinc | Unless possibly somebody's put in some strange udev rules. |
| 20:23.36 | karlpinc | (unlikely) |
| 20:23.42 | dataCobra | Why should there be strange udev rules? |
| 20:23.45 | dataCobra | :D |
| 20:23.55 | dataCobra | I hope nobody did something bad to my udev and laptop XD |
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| 20:24.08 | Kobaz | i'm having a major crazy weird problem |
| 20:24.24 | Kobaz | su postgres -s /bin/bash |
| 20:24.24 | Kobaz | Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied |
| 20:24.33 | Kobaz | i can log in a root no problem |
| 20:24.38 | dataCobra | use " |
| 20:24.39 | Kobaz | no selinux or any of that.. |
| 20:24.46 | dataCobra | su "postgres -s /bin/bash" |
| 20:24.50 | greycat | what is -s ... |
| 20:24.54 | Kobaz | shell |
| 20:24.58 | Kobaz | dataCobra: why would i use that? |
| 20:25.10 | greycat | man page says "Run the specified shell instead of the default". Huh. |
| 20:25.10 | Kobaz | i just did a test... adduser foo |
| 20:25.20 | somiaj | Kobaz: I use 'su -s /bin/bash - postgres', unsure if order matters. |
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| 20:25.26 | Kobaz | ssh foo@server |
| 20:25.51 | Kobaz | Could not chdir to home directory /home/foo: Permission denied |
| 20:26.01 | greycat | root@wooledg:/home/wooledg# su nobody -s /bin/bash |
| 20:26.01 | greycat | nobody@wooledg:/home/wooledg$ id |
| 20:26.01 | greycat | uid=65534(nobody) gid=65534(nogroup) groups=65534(nogroup) |
| 20:26.02 | dataCobra | What is your umask? |
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| 20:26.18 | Kobaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.25 | Kobaz | umask as room 0022 |
| 20:26.28 | Kobaz | *root |
| 20:26.36 | greycat | umask is not relevant here. What did you DO to this computer? |
| 20:26.43 | greycat | Did you remove the permissions from /bin/bash? |
| 20:26.43 | Kobaz | no idea |
| 20:26.47 | Kobaz | i just stopped working |
| 20:26.52 | somiaj | Kobaz: ls -l /bin/bash from the machine causing problems. Order didn't matter here, both worked fine for me. |
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| 20:27.09 | Kobaz | did a git pull to get one file on a repo i was updating, and then everything broke |
| 20:27.17 | greycat | ls -ld /bin/bash |
| 20:27.24 | la_mettrie | buster backports say i have the latest firefox package and web-spotify says my firefox is too old. WTF???? |
| 20:27.51 | Kobaz | -rw-r-xr-x 1 root root 1006K Nov 12 2014 /bin/bash |
| 20:28.17 | greycat | what the heck version of ls writes "1006K" for the size field |
| 20:28.20 | Kobaz | er, been playing with permissions to fix it |
| 20:28.20 | dataCobra | Kobaz: you can use "su -" and everything works fine? |
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| 20:28.25 | Kobaz | lemme fiox u+x |
| 20:28.41 | greycat | But anyway, yeah, those permissions are wrong. Should be 755 not 655. |
| 20:28.41 | Kobaz | i can su - as root |
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| 20:29.03 | Kobaz | either way, o has x, just fixed it |
| 20:29.11 | dataCobra | what is the shell your root is currently using? |
| 20:29.20 | Kobaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.20 | dataCobra | "echo $SHELL" |
| 20:29.23 | somiaj | greycat: probably has some alias with -h in there, 'ls -ldh /bin/bash' for instance. |
| 20:29.33 | greycat | eugh |
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| 20:30.00 | Kobaz | shell=/bin/bash |
| 20:30.02 | dataCobra | Kobaz so it works now? |
| 20:30.09 | Kobaz | no |
| 20:30.33 | greycat | /bin/ls -ld / /bin |
| 20:30.46 | Kobaz | drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1.8K Nov 15 15:30 /bin |
| 20:31.07 | Kobaz | oooh |
| 20:31.07 | Kobaz | wtf |
| 20:31.09 | Kobaz | how the fuck |
| 20:31.13 | Kobaz | drwxrwx--- 1 pbx pbx 884 Nov 15 11:34 / |
| 20:31.14 | Kobaz | okay |
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| 20:31.25 | Kobaz | how did that happen |
| 20:31.27 | Kobaz | okay it's working now |
| 20:31.44 | greycat | Kobaz: I'd be more than a little worried. Having pbx *own* the root directory is not good. |
| 20:31.50 | somiaj | don't spam the channel with multiple lines. Speak in full sentences. |
| 20:31.52 | dataCobra | I had a colleague having almost the same shit happening with his /usr dir |
| 20:31.59 | somiaj | Kobaz: you have done some strange stuff to your system |
| 20:32.27 | YesMan | Hey is 100Mbs Full Duplex 200Mbs total bandwidth or is it shared bandwidth? |
| 20:32.39 | dataCobra | "Witch greate power, comes great responsibility" |
| 20:32.42 | Kobaz | haha |
| 20:32.45 | Kobaz | uh huh |
| 20:32.49 | dataCobra | *With |
| 20:33.14 | greycat | Kobaz: the major concern at this point is what *else* is broken |
| 20:33.28 | dataCobra | Is pbx your local user or a user from a software? |
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| 20:34.03 | Kobaz | local user |
| 20:34.09 | Kobaz | for software (asterisk) |
| 20:34.23 | dataCobra | For asterisk? :O |
| 20:36.08 | Kobaz | like wtf how the hell did that happen |
| 20:36.17 | Kobaz | nothing in my history would have done that |
| 20:36.51 | dataCobra | Someone use a vuln. against you and gave him full access as user pbx? |
| 20:36.57 | Kobaz | oh |
| 20:36.59 | Kobaz | i found it |
| 20:37.16 | dataCobra | Paste what you did. I really want to know what happend |
| 20:37.20 | Kobaz | errant rsync |
| 20:37.33 | dataCobra | Post the command |
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| 20:38.19 | Kobaz | rsync -raP /tmp/sd-vm-backup/ / --exclude "*msg*" |
| 20:38.26 | Kobaz | instead of ./ |
| 20:38.34 | dataCobra | Hmmm |
| 20:38.52 | Kobaz | drwxrwx--- 81 pbx pbx 1.6K Nov 15 11:34 /tmp/sd-vm-backup/ |
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| 20:39.01 | Kobaz | which then made /... not rx by world |
| 20:39.03 | dataCobra | that is really really bad |
| 20:39.06 | Kobaz | haha |
| 20:39.07 | Kobaz | i know! |
| 20:39.07 | greycat | what's underneath that? |
| 20:39.11 | Kobaz | voicemail |
| 20:39.17 | Kobaz | just a few directories, like 20 |
| 20:39.32 | greycat | any of them named "bin" or "lib" or "usr" or ...? |
| 20:39.34 | somiaj | Still dosn't explain why /bin/bash changed permissions |
| 20:39.38 | Kobaz | oh |
| 20:39.39 | Kobaz | that was me |
| 20:39.40 | dataCobra | Sometimes a "dot" can save the day |
| 20:39.41 | Kobaz | fixing stuff |
| 20:39.53 | Kobaz | i did chmod 777 /bin/bash... like holy crap fix it |
| 20:40.04 | somiaj | if you have a feeling more could be messed up, a backup, reinstall could be suggested. |
| 20:40.07 | Kobaz | and that didn't do it. so i was half fixing it back to normal before i fixed it-fixed it |
| 20:40.08 | dataCobra | But that is a good lesson for next time |
| 20:40.10 | greycat | BAD. chmod 755. As I said before. |
| 20:40.16 | Kobaz | right. it's fixed now |
| 20:40.19 | greycat | The permissions on /bin/bash should be 755. |
| 20:40.21 | dataCobra | Start on the upper dir and work you way down to your problem |
| 20:40.30 | somiaj | still don't see why 777 woudln't work, just a very very bad idea. |
| 20:40.45 | Kobaz | somiaj: single user system, permissions like that wouldn't matter much |
| 20:40.50 | greycat | It would "work" until someone decides to exploit it and take over your whole system by backdooring your shell. |
| 20:40.56 | Kobaz | but still, (YES It's NOW back to normal) |
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| 20:41.04 | Kobaz | ^^^ |
| 20:41.13 | somiaj | so the fact Kobaz said chmod 777 didn't work, says there might still be something else going on |
| 20:41.20 | Kobaz | right |
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| 20:41.38 | dataCobra | His root dir was owned by pbx |
| 20:41.43 | somiaj | though I guess chaging / to 770 would make it so no one except owner/group could do anything. |
| 20:41.43 | Kobaz | which is why i started tracing everything i could, syslog, filesystem, i added a new user... i installed a new shell |
| 20:41.43 | greycat | somiaj: / was unsearchable by non-root users other than pbx |
| 20:41.52 | Kobaz | right |
| 20:42.02 | Kobaz | that's why loggign in as pbx worked, and postgres/anythingelse did not |
| 20:43.38 | dataCobra | That was the first and last time Asterisk was freed from its cage |
| 20:44.53 | Kobaz | not nearly as bad as rm -rf . / |
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| 20:45.14 | Kobaz | i read a story where someone noticed files were going missing, killed the process but half the system was gone |
| 20:45.37 | Kobaz | someone had an emacs session still open, so they uploaded the tape backup binary using emacs and kick started the restore while the system was still running |
| 20:45.52 | somiaj | Kobaz: we try not to put very bad things here, even as examples, just in case some user decides to run that to see 'how bad is it' |
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| 20:50.13 | Kobaz | well, make backups before you try and see how bad it is, heh |
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| 21:02.47 | B|ack0p | or any other? |
| 21:02.57 | nkuttler | B|ack0p: to do what? |
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| 21:03.05 | greycat | !xampp |
| 21:03.05 | dpkg | XAMPP for Linux (formerly LAMPP) is a way of installing lots of software that is already packaged for Debian. Don't use XAMPP, instead use aptitude install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server gettext perl libapache2-mod-perl2 sqlite webalizer mcrypt expat proftpd libpng3 libjpeg62 ... actually, just ask me about <search>. |
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| 21:03.23 | greycat | That's a bit outdated. It's not php5 any more. |
| 21:03.38 | B|ack0p | oh what do guys use nowadays? |
| 21:03.47 | greycat | Me? nginx. ;-) |
| 21:03.49 | B|ack0p | to test website? |
| 21:03.59 | B|ack0p | not you i mean general :p |
| 21:04.00 | greycat | I don't know what you mean by "test". |
| 21:04.01 | nkuttler | python -m http.server |
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| 21:05.09 | B|ack0p | greycat: how do ppl test their website offline before making them online? |
| 21:06.05 | nkuttler | B|ack0p: you could ask in ##php |
| 21:06.10 | greycat | Uh... by deploying it on your personal computer, or in a virtual machine. |
| 21:06.43 | greycat | Or just, on the web server, but under a different domain name. Or whatever. |
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| 21:07.16 | B|ack0p | so no need anymore i guess |
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| 21:07.42 | B|ack0p | i understand it is mostly for php not in general use |
| 21:07.49 | B|ack0p | right? |
| 21:08.36 | greycat | I have no idea what you're asking at this point. |
| 21:08.54 | B|ack0p | never mind |
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| 21:11.47 | B|ack0p | greycat: what i am asking actually is to host my website in localhost |
| 21:12.05 | greycat | On your own pc. Sure, you can do that. Install the same packages that you intend to use on the public server. |
| 21:12.24 | B|ack0p | same packages which are? |
| 21:12.41 | greycat | Whatever web server you intend to use. Whatever dynamic content generation framework/thingy you intend to use. |
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| 21:12.47 | B|ack0p | html-css-js-python-sql based maybe |
| 21:12.56 | greycat | Sure, database, etc. |
| 21:13.10 | greycat | Whatever you intend to use in the production environment, use the same thing in the test environment on your pc. |
| 21:13.11 | B|ack0p | yes |
| 21:13.28 | B|ack0p | greycat: so no need localhost? |
| 21:13.36 | greycat | localhost is just a name for your own pc |
| 21:14.05 | B|ack0p | yes |
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| 21:23.04 | ytf0rd | hlep my apt looks like this what do I do ? https://imgur.com/a/lJA47HV |
| 21:23.12 | ytf0rd | help |
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| 21:23.51 | ytf0rd | how do I fix this https://imgur.com/a/lJA47HV |
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| 21:44.05 | jhutchins_wk | !bat |
| 21:44.05 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 22:15.51 | annadane | WTH is greycat's quit message. |
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| 23:10.05 | YesMan | man hier isn't available on my fresh buster netinstall, what package is it tied to? |
| 23:11.55 | hummable | .apropos hier |
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| 23:15.59 | annadane | that doesn't really answer it |
| 23:17.08 | karlpinc | On stretch hier is in the "manpages" package. |
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| 23:18.44 | hummable | man 7 hier |
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| 23:21.07 | YesMan | karlpinc, thanks a bunch, that was it ^^ |
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| 23:33.10 | annadane | i didn't even realize manpages was a package |
| 23:33.14 | annadane | i thought it was man-db |
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| 23:36.13 | nkuttler | annadane: there are several packages with man pages |
| 23:36.42 | nkuttler | e.g. manpages-dev |
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| 23:41.12 | YesMan | annadane, man-db is the actual functionality. But pages come from packages you install |
| 23:43.46 | blob | w/in 3 |
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| 23:56.19 | somiaj | annadane: zless /usr/share/man/man5/interfaces.5.gz -- that is a manpage provided by a package, manpages is the software that converts it to a nicely text readable (with sections/headers/etc) format. man-db is a database of the man pages to make searching/accsing them much faster. |
| 23:58.01 | somiaj | note the pager, most often less, is separate from the manpages which formats it into ascii text. |
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