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| 00:25.42 | crestfallen | $ cat gnome-version.xml gives me a dubious output: <?xml version="1.0"?> <gnome-version> <platform>3</platform> <minor>30</minor> <micro>2</micro> <distributor>Debian</distributor> <!--<date></date>--></gnome-version> |
| 00:25.55 | crestfallen | did I inadvertently remove gnome? |
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| 00:28.55 | crestfallen | I removed gnome inadvertently yesterday. I looked like it installed today, but that output looks weird. there's no date for one.. |
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| 00:29.08 | crestfallen | It looked like* |
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| 00:39.04 | old_norse | grr, why does debian.org block VPN access. Such a pain |
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| 00:50.18 | tomreyn | old_norse: works fine from tor, so it's not a generic thing |
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| 00:50.47 | old_norse | tomreyn, harder to block tor than a normal vpn provided by one of the big providers |
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| 00:50.58 | old_norse | various services publish all of the ranges used by the big providers |
| 00:51.08 | Akuw | i have a directory called /images/01 /images/02 and so on |
| 00:51.17 | tomreyn | various services publish all of the ranges used by tor nodes |
| 00:51.41 | Akuw | but i need to delete all files saved before 01:00 PM |
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| 00:52.16 | old_norse | tomreyn, you don't really have ranges of tor nodes though |
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| 00:52.28 | old_norse | since they're just (for the most part) random people hosting exit nodes |
| 00:53.05 | tomreyn | old_norse: that's correct, i just wanted to make sure it's obvious how the situation is basically the same. |
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| 01:16.06 | karlpinc | Akuw: You can use find with -daystart and one of the other time options. Pipe the result to "xargs rm". (You could use find's -exec, but that's sorta clunky.) |
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| 01:31.14 | Akuw | i am using find /home/avn_scop/image/ -name *.jpg -daystart -mmin +564 -exec ls -l '{}' \; | more |
| 01:31.42 | Akuw | sorry find /home/all/image/ -name *.jpg -daystart -mmin +564 -exec ls -l '{}' \; | more |
| 01:32.17 | Akuw | but not geeting only 12:00 to 12:59 files |
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| 01:33.21 | Akuw | i got some files of 13:48 |
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| 01:37.46 | dvs | Akuw, why is it 564 instead of 780? |
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| 01:38.49 | Akuw | dvs: but 780 is giving files from time after 12 |
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| 01:39.10 | Akuw | time in that computer is 22:38:56 |
| 01:39.25 | Akuw | files to be deletes 12:00 to 12:59 |
| 01:39.38 | Akuw | i mean, all files before 01:00 |
| 01:40.15 | dvs | Oh, so you don't really mean 1:00pm? |
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| 01:41.40 | klo2rtt | hi |
| 01:41.50 | klo2rtt | emacs user here? |
| 01:42.04 | dvs | !ask |
| 01:42.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 01:42.46 | akko | butt |
| 01:43.38 | akko | homer are you drunk |
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| 01:48.10 | Akuw | dvs: that files i want to delete were created yesterday |
| 01:51.14 | dvs | Akuw, if you're interested in creation time then why aren't you using cmin instead of mmin? |
| 01:51.27 | Akuw | i trying |
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| 01:57.17 | klo2rtt | In Emacs when I write a command like C-x but I decided cancel it use C-g, minibuffer print "C-x C-g is no defined". How to cancel comands that start with C-c or C-x in Emacs? |
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| 02:07.57 | dvs | klo2rtt, Emacs prints that error but it puts the focus back into the main buffer (at least for me it does) |
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| 02:12.37 | klo2rtt | @dvs that's right, but that's no a elegant form to cancel the order |
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| 02:16.00 | karlpinc | klo2rtt: You could take it up in #emacs, although they will probably tell you to file an enhancement request. In short, C-g does cancel C-x and C-c, it just does not report that cancelation in a particularly friendly way. #emacs might have insight as to why this is. |
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| 02:17.11 | karlpinc | klo2rtt: (FYI. In debian you will find the emacs docs in the non-free part of the repo, in the emacs*-common-non-dfsg package.) |
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| 02:18.10 | klo2rtt | karlpinc Thanks for all, you're right: "C-g does cancel C-x and C-c, it just does not report that cancelation in a particularly friendly way" |
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| 02:25.46 | klo2rtt | karlpinc maybe I will have acept that behavior from emacs |
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| 02:28.05 | klo2rtt | Why freenode report this message when I try to connect '#emacs' "Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services" |
| 02:31.05 | whislock | klo2rtt: Because you're not identified with services. See also 'nickserv.' https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration |
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| 02:32.39 | klo2rtt | thanks debian community, you're awesome! |
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| 02:39.33 | crestfallen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:45.31 | streak | chan topic is out of date. also, hi :) |
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| 06:15.03 | airstorm | hey, I was wondering are there any position-dependent files in the root file system? Like if I wanted to copy a filesystem from one device to another, can I just create a new ext4 filesystem on that device and copy all files over? |
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| 06:21.14 | wsky | airstorm: you could boot a live system, bootstrap the os by copying it to a new filesystem on another device. install the bootloader, reconfigure fstab and it should fire up |
| 06:21.28 | wsky | just remember to preserve file permisions |
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| 06:49.32 | wsky | airstorm: i used to dd the whole disk as well |
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| 06:51.27 | airstorm | I'm moving the fs into a LUKS container of different size than the original rootfs |
| 06:51.43 | wsky | then rsync |
| 06:52.03 | airstorm | yeah, that would probably work best |
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| 09:40.02 | jelly | airstorm: if the destination is larger you can resize2fs alter |
| 09:40.11 | jelly | later* |
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| 09:41.48 | jelly | airstorm: or if you do a file based copy you have to remember all the important options for rsync, -aHSsAxX or so |
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| 10:13.40 | jer0me | hey there, I'm investigating a "battery drain on suspend" issue on a laptop that's been following stable for a few years. Everything looks OK for now (suspends "deep" to S3) but still drains ~2%/h (flat over the weekend). |
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| 10:17.36 | jer0me | For now, I use "hybrid-sleep" suspend method to mitigate the eventual power cycle issue of a flat battery. I welcome any fresh idea on the matter :) |
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| 10:19.24 | no_gravi1y | I wonder why I get a more stable connection to wifi access points with a cheap wifi-usb stick then with my internal wifi. Any ideas? |
| 10:20.29 | chomwitt | why dpkg -l adds the :arch prefix in some package names and not in others? |
| 10:22.03 | jer0me | no_gravi1y: intel/ralink has always been better than broadcom for me, even if broadcom comes with the most expensive laptop :( |
| 10:22.52 | no_gravi1y | jer0me: The internal one is Intel. |
| 10:23.01 | no_gravi1y | The external one .. I dunno. |
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| 10:46.55 | uso | has the date format for the locale en_US.UTF-8 changed in buster and is that change intentional? |
| 10:47.02 | uso | stretch$ LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 date: Mon Nov 18 11:46:24 CET 2019 |
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| 10:47.06 | uso | buster $ LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 date: Mon 18 Nov 2019 11:46:25 AM CET |
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| 10:53.46 | finn0 | Running `notify-send "test" "This is a test"` command don't pop-up any notification message. I remember, when I don't mention any **urgency level**, it'll assume as urgency as **normal** and a notification message pop-up for 2-3 seconds. |
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| 11:00.19 | finn0 | Then, I tried same command by setting urgency level to **normal** (`notify-send -u normal "Test" "This is a test."`). Same thing happens as with running command without mentioning urgency level (i.e. notification is present in notification panel but pop-up don't appear). |
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| 11:06.51 | finn0 | I'm sure pop-up should appear. So, this is either a bug or **notify-send** developer have done some major changes. Can anybody confirm this behavior? I'm using GNOME desktop environment (and **libnotify** as notification daemon). |
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| 11:18.35 | old_norse | Is there a default pin priority for apt? |
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| 11:22.17 | brokencycle | no_gravity: Maybe the antenna is better with the external stick? |
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| 11:30.59 | format_c | When I try to install enigmail I get a dependency warning I don't understand: |
| 11:31.03 | format_c | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 11:31.05 | format_c | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:32.03 | format_c | enigmail version 2.0.12 is in buster |
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| 11:35.39 | ws2k3 | would it be possible to make a symlink to 2 destination files? |
| 11:35.58 | colo-work | no |
| 11:36.22 | darxmurf | ws2k3: read your question again :D |
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| 11:36.38 | format_c | Seems an old bug resurrected from grave: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=909000 |
| 11:36.39 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/909000 in enigmail (closed): «Enigmail 2.0 needed in Stretch after Thunderbird 60 upload»; severity: grave; opened: 2018-09-17; last modified: 2019-06-02. |
| 11:36.51 | Habbie | ah, this is because of thunderbird ESR? |
| 11:36.57 | format_c | Same situation with just newer version |
| 11:36.58 | ws2k3 | darxmurf: i did. i have a tool running which logs to a file. but i would like to have 2 copies of that logfile |
| 11:37.25 | format_c | Habbie: I have just thunderbird installed |
| 11:38.33 | format_c | It worked before thunderbird version 1.68 has been released from security |
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| 11:46.46 | jeweet_ | Client: HexChat 2.14.2 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8250U CPU @ 1.60GHz (800MHz) • Memory: 7,4 GiB Total (5,4 GiB Free) • Storage: 11,5 GB / 258,4 GB (246,9 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 620 @ Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v6/7th Gen Core Processor Host Bridge/DRAM Registers • Uptime: 1h 51m 24s |
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| 11:48.48 | annadane | btw i use arch |
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| 11:51.15 | ratrace | annadane: heresy! Also, ignore the fact I'm typing this from my gentoo workstation :) |
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| 11:52.58 | format_c | Found a bug that was discussing the issue for the current version numbers, however thunderbird still being in unstable. Seems to be a race condition as the new thunderbird version was released via security but the new enigmail version not yet. |
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| 13:06.29 | dka | installer postgresql client sur debian buster ? (and just the client) |
| 13:07.08 | whislock | dka: postgresql-client? |
| 13:07.12 | dka | yes |
| 13:07.16 | dka | just the client |
| 13:07.19 | dka | I dont need a database |
| 13:07.22 | dka | I need to connect to a database |
| 13:07.29 | whislock | That was the name of the package. |
| 13:07.32 | whislock | postgresql-client |
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| 13:10.09 | dka | Ok I have installed it I want to connect to jdbc:postgresql://pgsql-test:5432 with user test and password test from command line |
| 13:10.11 | dka | how can I do? |
| 13:10.25 | dka | bash: pgsql: command not found |
| 13:11.04 | whislock | Because that's the wrong command. |
| 13:11.36 | whislock | dka: https://wiki.debian.org/PostgreSql |
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| 13:41.23 | tgunr | Another postgres question. I was getting ready to install postgres and ran psfind postgres and discovered a process 22612 running /usr/lib/postgresql/9.4/bin/postgres BUT /usr/lib/postgresql DOES NOT EXIST! WTF is going on here? |
| 13:42.28 | tgunr | apt-file does not find any reference to postgres either |
| 13:42.30 | ratrace | tgunr: you somehow removed the package without stopping the existing process first? or is it in a container? |
| 13:43.09 | tgunr | I stopped all containers, but maybe I had it running a long time ago, question is , how did it startup? |
| 13:43.32 | tgunr | its running under nologin user |
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| 13:44.58 | ratrace | only you can answer that. when you introduce containers, all bets are off. they could be running anything, anywhere (inside their chroots), it's a mess beyond any comprehension or control. |
| 13:45.12 | ratrace | QED |
| 13:45.57 | tgunr | so i am finding, I am stoping all hypervisor |
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| 13:49.27 | tgunr | well that wont work the process is owned by init(19947) |
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| 13:53.35 | tgunr | ok, looking at the entree tree it looks like it belonged to a container |
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| 13:54.44 | r3m1 | hello |
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| 14:20.27 | r3m1 | I have an /etc/network/interfaces with a gateway for eth0 and a gateway for eth1 |
| 14:20.47 | r3m1 | so I think for this reason, service networking status returns fail |
| 14:21.45 | r3m1 | for some reasons (usage in external scripts), the definition of the two gateways are useful |
| 14:22.11 | old_norse | Is it a bad idea to downgrade from testing to stable? |
| 14:22.29 | r3m1 | but what are the consequences of the service network failure ? Would it be possible to make it tolerant, as it used to be ? |
| 14:22.40 | greycat | Downgrading is not supported. If you can make it work, well, congrats. But the only supported way is to reinstall. |
| 14:23.07 | annadane | luckily, backing up and reinstalling is easy |
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| 14:41.11 | lowin | Hello. Does debian dvds 1 through 3 cover the whole software repository? |
| 14:41.36 | Haohmaru | how much capacity does a DVD have? |
| 14:41.47 | lowin | Is there a way I can grab a copy of the full repository? |
| 14:41.49 | greycat | DVDs are around 4.7 GB |
| 14:41.55 | Haohmaru | then i doubt it |
| 14:42.12 | Haohmaru | debian has tonz of packages |
| 14:42.20 | lowin | I remember there used to be around 8 9 dvd images that covered everything |
| 14:42.29 | lowin | but now only 3 are listed |
| 14:43.23 | hellekin | Hello, I have installed a Debian Buster without systemd from debootstrap. It mostly works fine except for a few issues that prevent some applications running (e.g., Firefox and Chrome crash). I'd like to know what is the best way to document and report these issues, and whether there are plans to fix the undue dependencies on systemd. I remember that the prospect of choosing systemd as PID1 was not supposed |
| 14:43.25 | hellekin | to become a burden when not using it. So I suppose these issues should be fixed. |
| 14:43.31 | lowin | Any other way I can grab a copy of repos? |
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| 14:44.45 | greycat | File bug reports on the packages that are affected. |
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| 14:46.14 | brenlae | so i just installed firmware-atheros for my wifi card in my laptop - it says it's using ath9k - anyway after updating my signal strength went from about 72% to about 64%, it is still just as fast, i'm just curious as to why the signal dropped |
| 14:46.18 | brenlae | thoughts? |
| 14:46.39 | greycat | that sounds like normal variance to me |
| 14:46.45 | brenlae | hmm |
| 14:46.47 | allizom | lowin: there is, but there's really not much point to it except running a mirror. If you still think you need *every* DVD image, you can download them with jigdo as stated on the download page. Or see https://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
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| 14:47.04 | brenlae | greycat: well it usually never went below 70% until now |
| 14:47.10 | lowin | allizom, found it thanks. |
| 14:48.03 | brenlae | i installed code::blocks with apt and the speed was about 4,500 kB/s |
| 14:48.09 | brenlae | so it's not a weak signal |
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| 14:49.50 | allizom | brenlae: ath9k does not even use a fimware |
| 14:50.04 | brenlae | i see |
| 14:50.09 | jim | brenlae, what is the wireless card in your (what is it, a...) laptop? |
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| 14:50.34 | jim | what device is it trying to contact? |
| 14:50.40 | brenlae | Qualcomm Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565 |
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| 14:51.35 | jim | or... since you say you're getting net from it, what device is it succeeding in contacting |
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| 14:52.16 | brenlae | jim: no the interent is fine, the signal just dropped by 10% |
| 14:52.17 | jim | was the thing with the atheros moved in any way? |
| 14:52.35 | brenlae | jim: nope, it just dropped after the reboot after installing firmware-atheros |
| 14:52.41 | brenlae | it's still working |
| 14:52.46 | greycat | allizom: brenlae: if there's any doubt about whether the firmware is being loaded, consult dmesg | grep -i firmware |
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| 14:53.30 | jim | ok, maybe it does have to do with the update... and, I'd see about the antenna in the thing the atheros is attached to |
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| 14:54.04 | brenlae | jim: i have no antenna, it is interna |
| 14:54.06 | jim | maybe it decided to bring the power level done? |
| 14:54.09 | jim | down |
| 14:54.09 | brenlae | maybe |
| 14:54.16 | greycat | perhaps the firmware gives a more accurate reading of the "signal strength". or a less accurate reading. who knows. |
| 14:54.23 | brenlae | hm |
| 14:54.33 | brenlae | jim: how do i modify the power level? |
| 14:54.37 | jim | what is the device? |
| 14:54.41 | jim | dunno |
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| 14:55.08 | jim | is it a desktop, laptop, something else? |
| 14:55.25 | brenlae | laptop |
| 14:55.41 | jim | oh ok, did it come with the atheros? |
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| 14:55.54 | brenlae | jim: yes |
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| 14:56.40 | jim | just so you know... usually there is an antenna inside laptops with wireless cards |
| 14:56.48 | brenlae | oh |
| 14:56.49 | brenlae | ok |
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| 14:57.17 | jim | not connecting the antenna could screw the radio part of the wireless card |
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| 14:58.02 | brenlae | hmm |
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| 14:58.16 | jim | most likely it's connected fine |
| 14:58.21 | brenlae | i assume |
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| 14:59.08 | brenlae | wavemon says it's running at 72.2 Mbits |
| 14:59.28 | allizom | brenlae: "percentage of signal" does not mean anything at all, get your measurements in dBm, repeat many times, see results vary across time - you do not have any connectivity/performance issue either |
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| 14:59.43 | brenlae | allizom: thank you very much :D |
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| 15:01.49 | brenlae | it's about 54 dBm |
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| 15:03.02 | brenlae | thanks people, apparently 54 dBm is quite fine |
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| 15:03.07 | brenlae | :D |
| 15:03.39 | brenlae | bye for now! :) |
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| 15:04.31 | barhom | Hey, I have bridge "br-lan" with physical "eth0","wlan0","wlan1" (it is a router). I am trying to mark packets coming in from specific interfaces but not really working. |
| 15:04.35 | barhom | iptables -t mangle -I PREROUTING -m physdev --physdev-in br-lan -j MARK --set-mark 1 (works) |
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| 15:06.11 | barhom | wrong paste, I meant, |
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| 15:06.23 | brenlae | funny thing, xfce's wifi applet showed 63% right? but wavemon shows the strength at 77% |
| 15:06.25 | barhom | iptables -t mangle -I PREROUTING -i br-lan -j MARK --set-mark 1 (works) however, iptables -t mangle -I PREROUTING -i wlan0 -j MARK --set-mark 1 (does not work) |
| 15:06.28 | brenlae | so clearly wavemon is correct |
| 15:07.54 | brenlae | later :) |
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| 15:09.39 | r3m1 | when I ifup eth1 I have ifup: failed to bring up eth1 |
| 15:09.57 | r3m1 | where can I see more verbose logs concerning the reasons of failure ? |
| 15:10.27 | greycat | On the screen, usually. Or in journalctl -u networking |
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| 15:12.39 | petn-randall | barhom: Do you have an existing rule to mark if coming from br-lan? That might be overwriting it. |
| 15:13.14 | petn-randall | barhom: Otherwise an other option might be to try it on the RAW table, that might still contain the info of which interface it's coming from. |
| 15:13.31 | barhom | petn-randall: If I run "iptables -L -t mangle -v" I only see my rule |
| 15:13.40 | barhom | I am unsure if its possible there are other chains (Im running openwrt) |
| 15:13.52 | barhom | petn-randall: RAW table? |
| 15:14.10 | petn-randall | barhom: Ah, in that case you might want to ask in #openwrt, or #netfilter, as this is not related to Debian. |
| 15:14.12 | barhom | if I run tcpdump -i wlan0 I see the packets I want to mark coming in |
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| 15:14.39 | barhom | petn-randall: True, I just thought we'd find some iptables love in #debian, but yeh #netfilter is good |
| 15:16.01 | petn-randall | There is, but there are subtle differences in kernel versions and compile options, so there's a good chance I wouldn't even be able to replicate this behaviour on my Debian router. |
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| 15:33.12 | ws2k3 | in the past i could use ifconfig to see howmany traffic an interface did. since ifconfig command is kinda depricated. is there a new way to see it? |
| 15:34.38 | greycat | "ip -s link" is a starting point |
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| 15:48.25 | ws2k3 | greycat: is it possible to name an interface? so not look at all interfaces? secondly. can is show mb/gb? |
| 15:48.42 | barhom | petn-randall: I tried the same on my debian box, couldnt mark packets there either |
| 15:48.58 | greycat | after 3 or 4 tries... "ip -s link show eno1" |
| 15:49.18 | barhom | petn-randall: basically I have a bond0 which consists of enp4s0 and enp5s0. I can mark packets on bond0 using "iptables -t mangle -I PREROUTING -i bond0" |
| 15:49.32 | barhom | but I cant do the same using enp4s0/enp5s0 directly |
| 15:49.39 | B|ack0p | somehow system sounds gone in my xfce desktop |
| 15:49.44 | B|ack0p | what could be the problem? |
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| 15:51.10 | greycat | Did you just upgrade from stretch to buster, or something else? What changed? |
| 15:51.23 | B|ack0p | i didnt upgrade |
| 15:51.39 | B|ack0p | well i did installed many things |
| 15:51.45 | B|ack0p | gnome-xfce-mate |
| 15:51.50 | B|ack0p | then i uninstalled mate |
| 15:51.53 | greycat | Is timidity one of the things that you recently installed? |
| 15:52.01 | B|ack0p | i also uninstalled i3 |
| 15:52.24 | B|ack0p | i dont know but i didnt install anything like timidity specially |
| 15:53.05 | greycat | Is it installed? |
| 15:53.19 | B|ack0p | let me check |
| 15:53.21 | greycat | The reason I ask is https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Upgrade_issues |
| 15:53.40 | B|ack0p | greycat: ~$ dpkg -l timidity |
| 15:53.40 | B|ack0p | dpkg-query: no packages found matching timidity |
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| 15:54.39 | greycat | OK, it was worth a shot. You'll have to diagnose the things in the regular way, then -- figure out where the logs might be hiding, or find commands that can tell you status info. |
| 15:55.18 | B|ack0p | greycat: pc has sound in general but what i mean is system event sounds |
| 15:55.51 | greycat | So, something in the Desktop Environment configs, or logs. |
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| 15:56.21 | B|ack0p | in this article in forum someone described how to get system event sounds: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2263834&p=13221570#post13221570 |
| 15:56.27 | B|ack0p | when i first tried i got it working |
| 15:56.39 | B|ack0p | then i uninstalled some packages installed new ones.. |
| 15:56.46 | B|ack0p | and i wanted to change sound theme also |
| 15:56.49 | B|ack0p | but didnt work |
| 15:57.06 | revolutionary | Hi all. USB wireless adapters are taking MAC address when connected to the PC on Buster. How can i change that? Thanks |
| 15:57.08 | B|ack0p | again i followed same things written in forum installed same sound theme but still not working |
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| 15:57.23 | revolutionary | adapters'name * |
| 15:57.24 | B|ack0p | just defined login-logout sounds working |
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| 15:58.44 | petn-randall | barhom: Channel bonding and bridging are different things in the kernel, though. |
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| 16:07.17 | revolutionary | Here duplicate question: https://askubuntu.com/questions/826325/how-to-revert-usb-wifi-interface-name-from-wlxxxxxxxxxxxxx-to-wlanx/826614 |
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| 16:08.29 | pluto | hello! I'm some prooblems by Debian NETINST, than installa Debian Burst |
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| 16:09.56 | petn-randall | pluto: Can you rephrase your question? I have problems understanding it. |
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| 16:12.24 | pluto | At the end of install, I'm using the packager maneger to add software. When I try to install texlivefull, machine going to deadlock. Screen black. |
| 16:13.02 | pluto | So I must to do hard-reboot. |
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| 16:20.08 | freq | https://wt.social |
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| 16:26.37 | jim | jelly, he posted that to all the channels he and I have in common |
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| 16:32.01 | dataCobra | Hello, is here somebody who can help my with dhcpd.leases from isc-dhcp-server? |
| 16:32.27 | jim | help them do what/ |
| 16:32.28 | jim | ? |
| 16:32.53 | revolutionary | jelly: please help me for USB wifi adapter's name |
| 16:33.02 | revolutionary | Here duplicate question: https://askubuntu.com/questions/826325/how-to-revert-usb-wifi-interface-name-from-wlxxxxxxxxxxxxx-to-wlanx/826614 |
| 16:33.05 | jim | one issue I had before was caused by the / partition overfilling |
| 16:33.11 | revolutionary | i'll be back |
| 16:33.14 | somiaj | pluto: how are you installing texlive? From debian's repo? |
| 16:33.53 | dataCobra | jim: Well my DNS/DHCP server is working with DDNS. Now I set a static address for one of the domains. But the lease of the old ip is not deleted even tho it is expired... |
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| 16:34.24 | dataCobra | I tried this with some testing with grml. |
| 16:34.25 | jim | dataCobra, would a specific machine get that address? |
| 16:34.58 | pluto | I'm using the default ufficial repository! Other programs installed by it works so fine. Only Texlivefull do a problems |
| 16:35.15 | dataCobra | Client1 got 192.168.1.150 before. Now it gets 192.168.1.5. But the *.150 is not free so the next client can get it |
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| 16:35.43 | dataCobra | As example the grml test boot just gets count up 151, 152, etc. |
| 16:36.09 | dataCobra | The lease is expired |
| 16:36.24 | dataCobra | I also set the lease time to 10 and the max lease time to 20 |
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| 16:36.29 | dataCobra | to try some more |
| 16:36.48 | jim | 192.168.1.150, so please answer the question: do you want a specific machine to get 192.168.1.150? |
| 16:37.03 | dataCobra | No |
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| 16:37.16 | dataCobra | jim sorry I missunderstood your question |
| 16:37.30 | jim | or better, do you want some machines to get the same address everytime? |
| 16:37.55 | dataCobra | Some machines should get specific addresses yeah. |
| 16:38.14 | dataCobra | Like I said, the Client1 got a static lease from me already |
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| 16:38.25 | dataCobra | with 192.168.1.5 |
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| 16:38.39 | jim | ok, the addresses they should get, should not be in the range that the dhcp server passes out |
| 16:38.45 | jim | that's the first thing |
| 16:39.13 | dataCobra | The dhcp server uses as a dynamic range *.150 to *.200 |
| 16:39.40 | dataCobra | all clients that are new and not got a static lease should get an address in this range |
| 16:39.54 | jim | second, you can have the dhcp server listen for the machine's mac address, and if that matches, pass them the address |
| 16:40.17 | dataCobra | jim yeah I did that already for client1 |
| 16:40.20 | jim | dataCobra, hmm... could it be there are two dhcp servers on that net? |
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| 16:41.15 | dataCobra | No its a isolated virtual network |
| 16:41.25 | dataCobra | There is only this 1 test dns/dhcp server |
| 16:41.27 | jim | and no routers? |
| 16:41.30 | dataCobra | No |
| 16:41.39 | dataCobra | just for testing purposes |
| 16:42.40 | jim | hmm... if that's the only dhcp server, then it would be helpful to see its config |
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| 16:42.59 | dataCobra | jim ahh never mind |
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| 16:43.12 | dataCobra | Thanks for your idea about the second dhcp server |
| 16:43.24 | jim | ok... so then you should read the config file |
| 16:43.25 | dataCobra | I forget to set the link of one vm to zero for the seconde dhc |
| 16:43.27 | dataCobra | *dhcp |
| 16:43.44 | jim | oh, you found the problem? |
| 16:43.48 | dataCobra | I hope so |
| 16:43.55 | dataCobra | at least the leases seem clear |
| 16:43.57 | dataCobra | I will try |
| 16:43.59 | jim | heh, I know how that goes |
| 16:44.01 | dataCobra | Give me a sec |
| 16:44.07 | dataCobra | :D |
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| 16:44.47 | jim | I'm in a deep pentatonic pool... |
| 16:46.25 | dataCobra | jim okay my hopes didn't get me anywhere ... :/ |
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| 16:47.33 | dataCobra | jim all the leases are there, also the ones who are expired like 30 minutes now... |
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| 16:48.03 | dataCobra | jim now it is really only 1 dhcp-server and 2 clients |
| 16:48.13 | greycat | what's the actual *problem*? |
| 16:48.31 | dataCobra | Client1 has static address 192.168.1.5, but his mac-address is also occupied by lease *.150 |
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| 16:48.56 | dataCobra | Client2 is my grml test client who gets a new mac-address everytime I start is for test purposes |
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| 16:49.19 | greycat | "has static address"? as in, written in /e/n/i? |
| 16:49.22 | dataCobra | hey greycat, my dhcp-server does not get rid of the expired leases |
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| 16:49.52 | dataCobra | greycat: sorry, what do you mean with /e/n/i? |
| 16:49.56 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 16:49.59 | greycat | !/e/n/i |
| 16:50.04 | dataCobra | ? |
| 16:50.06 | jim | does client1 have the same mac address all the time? |
| 16:50.10 | dataCobra | yeah |
| 16:50.17 | greycat | dpkg, /e/n/i is <reply>/etc/network/interfaces -- the configuration file for network interfaces in Debian |
| 16:50.19 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
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| 16:50.30 | jim | he means /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:50.36 | dataCobra | oh |
| 16:50.52 | dataCobra | no the /e/n/i is dhcp for this interface |
| 16:50.58 | dataCobra | on client1 |
| 16:51.00 | greycat | MY EYES |
| 16:51.15 | jim | a file that has data about the interface |
| 16:51.16 | greycat | oh, you mean ... never mind. |
| 16:51.36 | jim | interfaces, rather |
| 16:51.38 | greycat | So in short, both clients are set up as DHCP clients, NOT static interfaces. |
| 16:51.48 | dataCobra | That is correct |
| 16:52.00 | dataCobra | only DHCP-Server has a static address obviously |
| 16:52.09 | greycat | And when you say "Client1 has static address 192.168.1.5" you really mean "DHCP server is configured to give 192.168.1.5 to Client1's MAC" |
| 16:52.23 | jim | you -could- set them up as static in their /e/n/i file |
| 16:52.28 | dataCobra | greycat: yeah that is correct, sorry for misspelling that |
| 16:53.56 | dataCobra | I tought that the leases get automaticly removed after the lease is expired and another client can use this IP-address |
| 16:54.02 | jim | another thing you could do (this is an extreme action), is to clear the leases, remove the lease files... if this is a large net, for example for your work, you shouldn't do that |
| 16:54.38 | dataCobra | jim, yeah that is a manual move to do. It would be not problematic because it's my homelab |
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| 16:55.04 | dataCobra | jim: but I would rather like, if the dhcp-server does it himself |
| 16:55.58 | jim | ok, so it's a choice you have... if there are two leases pointing at the same mac, maybe you should get rid of those leases |
| 16:56.40 | dataCobra | jim yeah that would be clear *.150 |
| 16:56.55 | dataCobra | but *151 is also occupied by an old client3 |
| 16:57.08 | jim | yeah, I dunno what the dhcp server does with old leases |
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| 16:58.10 | jim | maybe your lease data is "problematic" |
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| 17:02.56 | dataCobra | How can I check as which user the dhcp server ist started? |
| 17:02.59 | dataCobra | *is started? |
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| 17:03.15 | greycat | ps -ef | grep dhcp |
| 17:03.33 | greycat | or systemctl status whatever-the-service-name-is |
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| 17:05.22 | jim | systemctl | grep dhcp? |
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| 17:05.36 | jim | to find the service name |
| 17:05.36 | greycat | might be a reasonable way to discover the service name, if you can't just guess it |
| 17:05.54 | jim | it's gonna be something.service |
| 17:05.58 | dataCobra | I created the service myself |
| 17:06.08 | greycat | you could also try dpkg -L pkgname | grep -F .service |
| 17:06.09 | dataCobra | So the server is running as root |
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| 17:06.23 | dataCobra | I tought maybe there is a permission issue with the lease file. |
| 17:06.31 | dataCobra | But it's not :( |
| 17:06.37 | greycat | so you're not even using the Debian package, and yet you're asking for our help |
| 17:06.48 | dataCobra | I use the debian package |
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| 17:06.55 | jim | wait, you created the service? does that mean you wrote a systemd unit file? |
| 17:06.56 | greycat | 12:05 dataCobra> I created the service myself |
| 17:07.08 | dataCobra | greycat: yeah the *.service file |
| 17:07.11 | greycat | WHY |
| 17:07.38 | greycat | And if you did that, WHY would you have to ask us which user it runs as? YOU wrote the service file. |
| 17:07.39 | jim | that would be my question too,,, except my caps lock is long since BROKE :) |
| 17:07.50 | revolutionary | hi. i can't copy Android external sdcard contents to the Desktop. I am seeing Couldn't read the file error. Is there any way to copy MTP files through console? |
| 17:07.58 | dataCobra | I forgot about it |
| 17:08.08 | dataCobra | I was thinking maybe I did something wrong |
| 17:08.15 | jelly | revolutionary: mtp is horribly unreliable, which client are you using |
| 17:08.38 | revolutionary | jelly: Buster. What should i do for reliable way? |
| 17:08.58 | jim | ok, so it would be helpful to (1) know the unit file's name and present location, and (2) to see the unit file itself |
| 17:09.11 | jhutchins_wk | dataCobra: Why did you create your own service file? |
| 17:09.19 | dataCobra | I created the *.service on my own. Because I only want to use IPv4 and with my service file it only uses IPv4 |
| 17:09.22 | jelly | revolutionary: I have no idea. Maybe kdeconnect (which implements a sftp server on the android device) will work better for you. |
| 17:09.31 | dataCobra | No dhcpd6.conf |
| 17:09.42 | revolutionary | jelly: i am on KDE |
| 17:09.50 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.09 | jelly | revolutionary: and try each of the 3 *mtpfs packages, maybe one works well for your device |
| 17:10.14 | revolutionary | jelly: i opened kdeconnect but i can't see any device |
| 17:10.19 | greycat | If you only wanted TWEAK the Debian service, there is a drop-in directory specifically for that purpose. |
| 17:10.34 | somiaj | revolutionary: there are some mtp file systems you can use to mount and copy, though my experience is usinge the developer debugging tool adb is much faster (mtp is slow) |
| 17:10.58 | dataCobra | The problem is that the isc-dhcp service is an old init5 service |
| 17:11.07 | dataCobra | I'm have no clue of init5 |
| 17:11.13 | dataCobra | I use systemd all the time |
| 17:11.29 | revolutionary | somiaj: how can i use adb tool for copying a folder? |
| 17:11.29 | dataCobra | So I made a functional service for systemd |
| 17:11.36 | jelly | revolutionary: you need to install the kdeconnect component on the android from the default store, then pair them, the device need to be in the same network segment for autodetection of peers, or at least have routable tcp between them |
| 17:11.48 | somiaj | revolutionary: you can use it to pull/push data to/from the andriod device. |
| 17:12.10 | revolutionary | somiaj: let me try |
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| 17:12.27 | revolutionary | jelly: i connected to the VPN. I have no idea how can i make routing |
| 17:12.33 | jelly | revolutionary: and if everything else fails, then yeah, adb (but that requires physical usb cable connection IIRC) |
| 17:12.35 | revolutionary | and also i have a firewall |
| 17:12.39 | somiaj | revolutionary: you can only use it to access user data (not system data), but that is what I use to get my photots off my andriod device form the command line. I find it much faster when copying gigs of photos than using MTP. Though I'm not sure about any gui tools for this. |
| 17:12.59 | revolutionary | somiaj: let me try |
| 17:13.05 | jelly | revolutionary: both vpn on the android and firewall on linux or android WILL interfere with kdeconnect |
| 17:13.08 | somiaj | revolutionary: you also have to connect via usb and enable developing debugging on the device. There are some google docs about this. |
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| 17:13.20 | greycat | Ah, I didn't realize isc-dhcp-server was still using an init.d script, but https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/isc-dhcp-server/filelist seems to confirm it. |
| 17:13.42 | jelly | revolutionary: of both are in the same vpn network, then you can try connecting each other using their IP address. |
| 17:14.00 | dataCobra | greycat: Yeah I'm not lying |
| 17:14.16 | dataCobra | greycat: It wouldn't help my if I would lie |
| 17:14.38 | jim | very true |
| 17:14.43 | greycat | unfortunately, the file lists on p.d.o have a history of being wrong, so I can't absolutely trust what it says |
| 17:15.08 | revolutionary | jelly: i will try adb first. if i fail i will pass to the kdeconnect, thank you and somiaj |
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| 17:16.01 | jim | damn, that sucks... greycat, do you know the reason one instance of pdo being wrong about package file lists could be wrong? |
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| 17:16.38 | jelly | revolutionary: (kdeconnect provides some other neat things, like notifications on desktop, sharing URLs and clipboard, remote control for media players and an additional input dev) |
| 17:17.06 | revolutionary | jelly: i will try but i have no idea how can i route TCP, etc. |
| 17:17.41 | jelly | revolutionary: you probably know how to put your computer and your phone on the same network, and maybe how to temporarily stop the firewall on both |
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| 17:20.35 | revolutionary | somiaj: adb debugging is enabled and when i do ./adb devices i can't see any devices |
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| 17:26.15 | sponix | revolutionary: try with "sudo" .. and it might be sudo adb list |
| 17:26.28 | revolutionary | sponix: let me try |
| 17:26.39 | revolutionary | same |
| 17:26.51 | revolutionary | i did this but same |
| 17:26.51 | revolutionary | https://askubuntu.com/questions/863587/adb-device-list-doesnt-show-phone |
| 17:27.05 | jelly | revolutionary: you also need to enable usb debugging on the android device |
| 17:27.15 | jelly | oh, you did that |
| 17:27.18 | revolutionary | yes |
| 17:27.40 | jelly | does any device appear in "lsusb |
| 17:27.52 | revolutionary | jelly: let me check |
| 17:28.04 | jelly | at all, comparing before you plug in the phone to after it's plugged in |
| 17:28.08 | revolutionary | Bus 003 Device 052: ID 04e8:6860 Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd Galaxy series, misc. (MTP mode) |
| 17:28.20 | jelly | that's not in adb debug mode |
| 17:28.37 | revolutionary | how can i do that |
| 17:28.51 | jelly | no idea what Samsung does different. You might need to disable mtp first, perhaps |
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| 17:29.55 | revolutionary | i found a config on Developer mode. Default USB Configuration is selected as File Transfer |
| 17:30.08 | revolutionary | Should i change to the No data transfer? |
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| 17:31.31 | jelly | !TIAS |
| 17:31.31 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 17:32.10 | revolutionary | it didn't change |
| 17:32.13 | revolutionary | same MTP mode |
| 17:32.28 | revolutionary | worked! |
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| 17:33.51 | revolutionary | i can't access external_sd folder :/ |
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| 17:34.38 | revolutionary | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.39 | revolutionary | i found! |
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| 17:37.40 | revolutionary | how can i push a folder (not file) with adb push? |
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| 17:39.01 | d9a | revolutionary: If it doesn't let you, you can just archive it. I'm not sure since I've only ever adb pushed. |
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| 17:39.06 | d9a | zips |
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| 17:40.38 | revolutionary | i found |
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| 18:03.35 | revolutionary | if i do this symlink process how can i revert that change? |
| 18:03.36 | revolutionary | https://askubuntu.com/a/826614 |
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| 18:08.21 | revolutionary | anyone? |
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| 18:22.42 | jelly | revolutionary: if you're asking "how to revert a creation of a symlink", the answer is "delete it" |
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| 18:27.45 | revolutionary | jelly: if i do that process where will it being created? |
| 18:28.01 | revolutionary | i mean where is that symlink |
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| 18:32.22 | jhutchins_wk | revolutionary: Wherever you put it. |
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| 18:32.57 | revolutionary | jhutchins_wk: if i put /dev/null |
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| 18:36.04 | jelly | revolutionary: you don't put "/dev/null", you put a symlink named "80-net-setup-link.rules" into the "/etc/udev/rules.d" directory |
| 18:36.36 | jelly | ... when you run this command: ln -s /dev/null /etc/udev/rules.d/80-net-setup-link.rules |
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| 18:37.05 | jelly | revolutionary: so the symlink is created at /etc/udev/rules.d/80-net-setup-link.rules |
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| 18:37.32 | jelly | revolutionary: its value, what it POINTS TO, however, will be /dev/null |
| 18:38.52 | jelly | !symlink |
| 18:38.52 | dpkg | Symlink rule of thumb / The link must be at the end / The filename comes first, or ln -sn target linkname |
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| 18:39.48 | revolutionary | jelly: i found a folder called /lib/udev/rules.d/ and it contains 80-net....rules. i want to do that symlink job. Should i copy 80-net.... file from this folder to the /etc/udev/rules.d/? |
| 18:40.16 | revolutionary | because /etc/udev/rules.d/ is empty |
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| 18:40.48 | jelly | revolutionary: why would you do that? |
| 18:40.56 | revolutionary | because /etc/udev/rules.d/ is empty |
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| 18:41.05 | jelly | revolutionary: what is your actual GOAL? |
| 18:41.57 | revolutionary | jelly: my goal is preventing USB wifi adapter's name taking MAC address like this question |
| 18:41.58 | revolutionary | https://askubuntu.com/questions/826325/how-to-revert-usb-wifi-interface-name-from-wlxxxxxxxxxxxxx-to-wlanx/826614 |
| 18:42.14 | jelly | revolutionary: is that your question? |
| 18:42.18 | revolutionary | no |
| 18:42.24 | revolutionary | it is ubuntu |
| 18:42.28 | revolutionary | but same goal |
| 18:42.31 | whislock | revolutionary: Why does it matter? Configure the interface. |
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| 18:42.48 | revolutionary | whislock: how can i do that? |
| 18:43.04 | whislock | By not complaining about its name and configuring it using its current name. |
| 18:43.06 | revolutionary | to wlp5s0 |
| 18:43.28 | revolutionary | or wlan0 |
| 18:43.34 | revolutionary | but wlp5s0 is good |
| 18:43.44 | whislock | Again: Stop whining about its name. It's not something you should be typing constantly anyway. |
| 18:44.08 | whislock | It has a name. Configure it using that name. |
| 18:44.13 | sponix | lol |
| 18:44.19 | jelly | but it's an ugly name! |
| 18:44.30 | revolutionary | so |
| 18:44.34 | greycat | you're an ugly name! |
| 18:44.46 | whislock | Given that most of you show up as purple for me, you're ALL ugly names. |
| 18:44.49 | jelly | this whole channel is an ugly name! |
| 18:45.13 | jelly | whislock: that can be remedied easily with a swift /kick :-P |
| 18:45.31 | whislock | jelly: You're the only one NOT purple. ;) |
| 18:45.41 | revolutionary | if i do that symlink job won't i see that wlx name anymore, right? What will i see? |
| 18:45.43 | jelly | carry on |
| 18:45.46 | greycat | he is not grape jelly, apparently |
| 18:45.57 | whislock | revolutionary: Why do you care about the name? Just use the name it has. |
| 18:46.10 | jelly | revolutionary: fuck if we know, try it and see what happens |
| 18:46.33 | jelly | you're allowed to experiment. Especially if you have backups! |
| 18:46.33 | revolutionary | you should know |
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| 18:46.46 | revolutionary | backups for what? |
| 18:46.51 | whislock | And I do know. Use the name it has and stop whining. |
| 18:46.59 | jelly | revolutionary: for your Debian installation, the OS |
| 18:47.11 | jelly | the data. the computer. |
| 18:47.12 | revolutionary | will that effect Debian installation? |
| 18:47.37 | jelly | backups allow you to restore a previous state if you mess up, in general |
| 18:47.47 | whislock | If you screw it up, sure. |
| 18:48.00 | revolutionary | i am using encryption how can i take full backup? |
| 18:48.09 | revolutionary | like image |
| 18:48.18 | whislock | Has no idea how to back up, wants to screw with udev rules to needlessly rename an interface |
| 18:48.27 | whislock | What could go wrong... |
| 18:48.29 | revolutionary | make sense |
| 18:48.32 | greycat | !flw |
| 18:48.32 | dpkg | <narcmann> abrotman: I don't rely on my hard disks for storage |
| 18:48.46 | jelly | that was strangely appropriate |
| 18:48.46 | whislock | /popcorn |
| 18:49.08 | revolutionary | are you joking? |
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| 18:49.12 | revolutionary | or serious? |
| 18:49.33 | jelly | revolutionary: having backups is important but is also a whole different task. |
| 18:49.39 | greycat | FLW is probably heavily biased toward potentially catastrophic situations |
| 18:50.06 | revolutionary | do you know how can i create en email server on Debian? |
| 18:50.14 | jelly | revolutionary: for now, it's enough to know you can revert creation of a symlink by doing rm on that symlink |
| 18:50.29 | revolutionary | an* |
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| 18:51.32 | petn-randall | revolutionary: If you have to ask, the answer is probably: don't. For now. |
| 18:51.47 | jelly | revolutionary: sadly I do know how to create an email server, but the answer would be somewhat extensive and a bit out of scope for this channel. |
| 18:51.50 | whislock | revolutionary: Sure. Learn what an MTA is, learn how to install one, learn how to configure one, learn how to maintain one, and then learn how to remove yourself from every spam blacklist on the internet. |
| 18:52.06 | jelly | whislock: that's just MTA. |
| 18:52.09 | petn-randall | Running your own mail server requires a lot of knowledge of arcane mail history, and is a *lot* (several orders of magnitude) more work than running a web server. |
| 18:52.21 | whislock | jelly: Yup. And then there's steps two through 37. |
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| 18:52.39 | revolutionary | i want to create an email server like riseup |
| 18:52.43 | jelly | and the step 28 .. 37 are an endless loop |
| 18:52.59 | jelly | revolutionary: rise up is kind of dead. They did not have backups. |
| 18:53.27 | revolutionary | what do you mean they didn't have backups |
| 18:53.30 | revolutionary | they are online |
| 18:53.34 | jelly | oh, sorry, that's a different project |
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| 18:53.54 | whislock | revolutionary: Running something like riseup is orders of magnitude more complex than a typical mail server. |
| 18:54.17 | revolutionary | whislock: can you analyze that email server for creating duplicate one? |
| 18:54.25 | petn-randall | You probably want to have a complete team working full-time. |
| 18:54.29 | whislock | Can I do your homework for you? No. |
| 18:54.56 | revolutionary | you all mean this is impossible job for me |
| 18:54.58 | greycat | Ironically, running a mail server isn't hard at all, as long as you don't care about whether you can send mail to *everyone*. If you only need to be able to send to a few specific domains, and if you know those domains won't blacklist you, it's pretty easy. |
| 18:55.31 | greycat | All of the difficulty comes in when you try to stay off the blacklists so you can send to gmail etc. |
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| 18:55.45 | B|ack0p | i asked before but.. if you dont mind may i ask how can i find out what is wrong with my system event sounds? |
| 18:55.47 | petn-randall | greycat: And then you have to make sure you don't create mail loops, and you set up DNS correctly, don't create backscatter mail, etc pp |
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| 18:56.04 | petn-randall | B|ack0p: What is wrong with them? |
| 18:56.16 | whislock | revolutionary: With what you're wanting to do, contrasted against the lack of understanding that your line of questioning implies, yes, it's a virtual impossibility. |
| 18:56.35 | d9a | revolutionary: Why do you want to host your own mail server? If it's to learn, I say go for it. If you're wanting to do it for email that's important, I wouldn't. |
| 18:56.48 | whislock | revolutionary: My tone so far has been sardonic, but my previous statement was meant in all seriousness. |
| 18:56.52 | B|ack0p | well i am using xfce, i installed gnome-session-canberra to enable sound themes and get sound notifications |
| 18:57.07 | B|ack0p | i got it working but then i wanted to change sound theme |
| 18:57.11 | B|ack0p | but it didnt work |
| 18:57.29 | B|ack0p | then i did many things after that |
| 18:57.35 | B|ack0p | removed installed other things |
| 18:57.43 | B|ack0p | i ignored sound thing for a while.. |
| 18:58.12 | B|ack0p | i followed this post: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2263834&p=13221570#post13221570 |
| 18:58.22 | B|ack0p | but still system event sounds not working |
| 18:58.44 | whislock | B|ack0p: Those instructions are for a 5+ year old Ubuntu release. |
| 18:58.55 | B|ack0p | xfce |
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| 18:59.01 | B|ack0p | whislock: when i first installed it worked |
| 18:59.07 | whislock | And now it doesn't. |
| 18:59.09 | B|ack0p | with the mentioned sound theme |
| 18:59.13 | B|ack0p | but now it doesnt |
| 18:59.22 | B|ack0p | only login/logout sound working when i set |
| 18:59.22 | whislock | You followed instructions for a 5+ year old Ubuntu PRErelease. |
| 18:59.31 | B|ack0p | that sound theme is a bit annoying so i wanted to change |
| 18:59.45 | B|ack0p | whislock: 5+ years old but worked |
| 18:59.52 | jelly | revolutionary: mail servers typically consist of 10+ moving parts, separate pieces of software, and require relatively constant monitoring to perform their purpose well even if you initially follow a decent howto to set things up |
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| 19:00.07 | B|ack0p | anyway is there another new way to get system sounds working in xfce? |
| 19:00.19 | B|ack0p | sound notifications |
| 19:00.25 | B|ack0p | like in gnome |
| 19:00.35 | whislock | B|ack0p: Reinstall and don't follow forum posts for a five year old version of a different distro. |
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| 19:00.56 | B|ack0p | whislock: reinstall what? |
| 19:01.03 | B|ack0p | xfce ? |
| 19:01.04 | whislock | Debian, which I assume you're running. |
| 19:01.05 | jelly | "reinstall" is really dumb advice for Debian |
| 19:01.17 | jhutchins_wk | revolutionary: I would certainly wait until you are a lot more familiar with linux before trying a public mailserver. |
| 19:01.23 | B|ack0p | i was considering it but then i decided to learn how to fix it first |
| 19:01.26 | whislock | I don't plan to support a Debian install that's been mangled by - again - a five year old guide for a prerelease version of Ubuntu. |
| 19:01.34 | whislock | Anyone else is welcome to try. |
| 19:01.52 | B|ack0p | whislock: so we need to re-install whole distro when we break something |
| 19:02.15 | B|ack0p | so after installing we shouldnt touch anything not to break |
| 19:02.26 | jhutchins_wk | B|ack0p: Sometimes that's best, especially if you don't know wht you changed. |
| 19:02.31 | rany | B|ack0p, go to appearance and enable "Event Sounds" |
| 19:02.39 | B|ack0p | jhutchins_wk: then how will i learn this debian/linux? |
| 19:02.45 | B|ack0p | breaking and fixing is good way to learn i guess |
| 19:02.53 | B|ack0p | rany: already did that and enabled |
| 19:02.54 | jelly | whislock, B|ack0p: but this particular forum thread does some pretty horrible things it's almost warranted |
| 19:02.56 | B|ack0p | but not working |
| 19:03.09 | B|ack0p | ok.. |
| 19:03.15 | whislock | jelly: I didn't suggest reinstallation lightly. I did read that thread first. |
| 19:03.20 | B|ack0p | so now should i reinstall? |
| 19:03.24 | rany | B|ack0p, check if "System Sounds" is muted in pavucontrol |
| 19:03.25 | jelly | sudo chmod +x /usr/local/bin/xfce4-session |
| 19:03.46 | B|ack0p | rany: not muted |
| 19:04.01 | B|ack0p | jelly: should i do that? |
| 19:04.10 | rany | the fact that it shows up is a good start ;) |
| 19:04.23 | rany | my guess has to do with pulseaudio not starting early |
| 19:04.27 | Ankman | reinstalling an OS if problems occur is what windows users do. in linux problems should be fixed without reinstalltion |
| 19:04.28 | rany | s/has/is it has/ |
| 19:04.45 | B|ack0p | rany: screenshot coming |
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| 19:05.05 | jhutchins_wk | B|ack0p: It depends on how important this is to you and what else is broken. |
| 19:05.14 | B|ack0p | rany: https://i.postimg.cc/Sx12gz7k/Screenshot-2019-11-18-22-04-34.png |
| 19:05.19 | Ankman | i'd get rid of pulseaudion in the first place |
| 19:05.26 | rany | B|ack0p, found this forum: https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=8618 |
| 19:05.31 | rany | i think it can be a good help for you |
| 19:05.54 | B|ack0p | jhutchins_wk: i like those sounds |
| 19:05.58 | whislock | Ankman: It takes me 30 minutes to install and configure an OS. If it takes me longer than that to troubleshoot, why should I? The comparison to Windows users doesn't provide value to the conversation. |
| 19:06.26 | Ankman | whislock: because you lose all of your configuration |
| 19:06.28 | whislock | Pragmatically, it's a cost vs. benefit assessment. |
| 19:06.32 | whislock | Ankman: "install and configure" |
| 19:06.33 | jelly | B|ack0p: that random thread does some bad stuff. Reinstall will be the easiest way to get a sane starting position. |
| 19:06.41 | B|ack0p | 2014-02-05 02:19:56 - this is also 5+ yrs old and not debian :p |
| 19:06.51 | whislock | Ankman: The "and configure" implies that that's not a huge loss for me. |
| 19:06.52 | revolutionary | jhutchins_wk: i think so |
| 19:06.58 | jelly | B|ack0p: unless you have a backup and know how to restore the whole OS! :-) |
| 19:07.17 | B|ack0p | jelly: i dont keep important files on this partition |
| 19:07.23 | B|ack0p | i use cloud or external disk |
| 19:07.31 | B|ack0p | so reinstalling is not a problem but it is annoying |
| 19:07.35 | B|ack0p | i am lazy for that :p |
| 19:07.43 | whislock | Ankman: So, again, cost vs. benefit. "windows users" comparisons don't factor in to this. Go wage your OS wars elsewhere. |
| 19:07.48 | Ankman | whislock: yes, if you didn't spent a lot of time to configure your system the reinstallation is a good idea |
| 19:07.53 | B|ack0p | also not good option if i can fix and if people here help me |
| 19:07.54 | jelly | B|ack0p: and I'm lazy to help you with the current setup |
| 19:08.01 | B|ack0p | jelly: :/ |
| 19:08.03 | jelly | !next |
| 19:08.03 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 19:08.16 | B|ack0p | i didnt mean that |
| 19:08.26 | jelly | no takebacks |
| 19:08.30 | rany | B|ack0p, i don't think reinstalling will fix your problems |
| 19:08.35 | B|ack0p | did i say something wrong? |
| 19:08.43 | jelly | rany: that's a more philosophical stance |
| 19:08.47 | whislock | It'll give him a sane starting point to resolve the actual issue, if it persists. |
| 19:08.51 | Ankman | but i spent years to get my system running. a reinstallation would be a disaster for me |
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| 19:09.13 | B|ack0p | rany: i got it working at once.. but later probably i broke something |
| 19:09.14 | rany | Ankman, more like, a hard disk failure will be a disaster for me.... BACK UP YOUR STUFF |
| 19:09.20 | jelly | rany: because one of his problems is being able to recognize good and bad advice on internet |
| 19:10.29 | jelly | or at least learning enough to be able to undo what the advice does |
| 19:10.52 | rany | on unrelated note, snapcraft on debian is horrible |
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| 19:12.11 | rany | i've thought i might give it a try but i gave up |
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| 19:12.36 | Ankman | rany: backing up your stuff is always a good idea. i uploaded /etc/* and stuff into a cloud to be able to get the data back if the HD dies |
| 19:12.36 | rany | fonts, themes, everything bad...... flatpak and appimage work way better |
| 19:13.11 | B|ack0p | rany: give it try what? xfce? |
| 19:13.26 | rany | B|ack0p, snapcraft |
| 19:14.01 | rany | i'm already using xfce ;) |
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| 19:14.38 | jelly | huge internal or external disks are cheap enough it's more annoying to choose what not to backup, so I backup everything |
| 19:14.42 | rany | but my themes and modification are minimal... i just change the panel and set theme to "Adwaita-Dark" ... |
| 19:15.01 | rany | i don't like to make too dramatic changes |
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| 19:20.30 | B|ack0p | ok i will reinstall debian tomorrow |
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| 19:20.50 | B|ack0p | with only xfce de |
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| 19:21.47 | rany | you are running multiple de?! NEVER DO THAT |
| 19:22.22 | B|ack0p | rany: yes gnome and xfce |
| 19:22.24 | greycat | it's OK to install multiple desktop environments; there's a thingy at login time (if you use a DM) that lets you choose one |
| 19:22.41 | B|ack0p | i had mate and i3 too but removed them |
| 19:22.56 | rany | greycat, not it isn't OK... It causes conflicts with packages and configurations.... Not a fun place to be |
| 19:23.30 | jelly | rany: eh. it causes interesting issues but things can be fixed. |
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| 19:24.25 | whislock | rany: There's nothing wrong with running multiple DEs. Captastrophe text isn't warranted. |
| 19:24.26 | jelly | so sometimes it takes 5 different volunteers and 3 days in here to fix them |
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| 19:25.19 | rany | whislock, well, try installing GNOME and KDE on the same system and tell me if you enjoy the experience |
| 19:25.41 | whislock | I sure do, depending on which workflow works better for me given the tasks. |
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| 19:26.08 | elpensadorsec | does anyone has guide to install owncloud |
| 19:26.37 | rany | elpensadorsec, the internet if full of resources for nextcloud |
| 19:26.43 | greycat | !owncloud |
| 19:26.43 | dpkg | ownCloud is an open source web application for data synchronization, file sharing and cloud storage. http://owncloud.org/ #owncloud on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:26.55 | greycat | 142 people on #owncloud |
| 19:27.03 | whislock | elpensadorsec: Owncloud's own docs have what you're looking for. |
| 19:27.08 | jelly | !nextcloud |
| 19:27.09 | dpkg | somebody said nextcloud was a fork of owncloud. https://nextcloud.com |
| 19:27.35 | whislock | (And nextcloud might be a better option.) |
| 19:27.59 | greycat | 456 people on #nextcloud |
| 19:28.03 | jelly | dpkg, nextcloud is also #nextcloud on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:28.03 | dpkg | okay, jelly |
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| 19:28.31 | elpensadorsec | @greycat, i installed it owncloud couple weeks ago and it stop working for some reason |
| 19:28.42 | jelly | most users switched to nextcloud, I'm told |
| 19:28.57 | rany | I did, but overall you won't notice much of a difference |
| 19:29.08 | whislock | Aside from a much more active community. |
| 19:29.11 | rany | It is mostly the same, but it is developed more actively |
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| 19:29.28 | rany | Nextcloud and Owncloud is akin to Libreoffice and openoffice |
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| 19:30.38 | jelly | whislock: you'll find an interesting example of what can go wrong installing multiple DEs if you keep logs of this channel and hunt for our friend B|ack0p around this Saturday and Friday and their pkexec / synaptic woes |
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| 19:31.15 | rany | jelly, since when did pkexec cause problems? |
| 19:31.45 | jelly | not going to summarize, sorry |
| 19:31.58 | greycat | !irclog |
| 19:31.59 | dpkg | methinks irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/ |
| 19:32.12 | rany | thanks greycat |
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| 19:32.18 | jelly | the logs on rikers.org are very likely broken |
| 19:32.43 | greycat | they don't seem broken at first glance |
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| 19:32.58 | whislock | jelly: Good to know. :) |
| 19:33.08 | greycat | I've seen character encoding issues with them before, but that's typically minor. |
| 19:33.34 | rany | found it : http://infobot.rikers.org/%23debian/20191116.html.gz |
| 19:34.11 | jelly | oh nice, they're fixed apparently |
| 19:34.48 | jelly | greycat: there were symptoms of an apparent disk full situation during March-May 2019 or so |
| 19:35.18 | jelly | most days were truncated or missing |
| 19:36.19 | jelly | seems fixed now and all the files refreshed (from a different source, perhaps) |
| 19:36.31 | rany | the days got truncated because its summer ;P |
| 19:37.13 | jelly | or not http://infobot.rikers.org/%23debian/20190420.html.gz |
| 19:37.46 | greycat | 420, eh |
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| 19:41.25 | jako | hello |
| 19:41.39 | jako | i nerd help please |
| 19:41.43 | jelly | !ask |
| 19:41.43 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:43.24 | B|ack0p | we are all nerds arent we :p |
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| 19:45.04 | jelly | except for the geeks |
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| 20:06.35 | jako | "I have a problem with log in; I'm running Debian version _buster__. When I try to do "log in". I cant, i am the only user, I have my user AND password correctly entered ,i get "user AND password incorrect". |
| 20:06.35 | jako | Is there any other option to log in with my credentials? I |
| 20:06.35 | jako | I remembr It has a partition for home,but before extract the HDD AND try, i want to know if I could get into that partition without foresic things. |
| 20:06.35 | jako | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.21 | wasamasa | such is bsd |
| 20:07.37 | wasamasa | that's why debian is a thing, it acts as hardware abstraction layer for your favorite programs |
| 20:07.49 | greycat | jako: well then, login as root on the console (Ctrl-Alt-F2) and take a look at the logs, the passwd and shadow files, the output of getent, etc. Maybe reset the user's password. |
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| 20:13.09 | karlpinc | jako: If you have to, boot from the installer in rescue mode and go into shell in the installed system's environment and reset the password there. |
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| 20:14.07 | jak2000 | cat /etc/issue return me: Debuian GNU/Linux 10 \n \l how to install java? |
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| 20:15.51 | mutante | jak2000: apt-cache search openjdk - that would give you a list of available packages |
| 20:16.25 | mutante | jak2000: after that you can do something like "apt-get install openjdk-11-jre" or whichever package you need (JRE vs JDK and 8 vs 11) |
| 20:16.54 | mutante | there is also openjdk-8-jre and -headless |
| 20:17.11 | jak2000 | i thinkversion 11 i need pay not? |
| 20:17.22 | mutante | jak2000: depends on the software you want to run on it |
| 20:17.32 | mutante | but i would start with 11 and see if it works |
| 20:17.34 | jak2000 | web development |
| 20:17.51 | mutante | ? you mean nodejs ? |
| 20:18.08 | jak2000 | java and servlets |
| 20:18.33 | mutante | ok, i guess openjdk-11-jre |
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| 20:20.11 | jak2000 | ok testing |
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| 20:24.04 | somiaj | revolutionary: you have to enable developer mode on the phone, via some hidden combo (like click the same option 11 times). |
| 20:24.21 | greycat | up up down down ... |
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| 20:24.34 | revolutionary | somiaj: i did bro, thanks again |
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| 20:25.57 | somiaj | revolutionary: oh good, again some of the methods jelly was mentioning over an ip might be more useful that what I do. But I find adb the quickest way to copy data to/from my phone with a usb cable (I was disapointed when andriod disabled usbmass storage as an option for usb) |
| 20:26.00 | jak2000 | mutante: openjdk-11-jdk ? |
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| 20:26.40 | mutante | jak2000: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1906445/what-is-the-difference-between-jdk-and-jre |
| 20:26.56 | revolutionary | somiaj: adb is the fastest way i think |
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| 20:27.24 | jak2000 | ok install jre :) |
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| 20:28.10 | mutante | jak2000: start with jre and see if you are missing anything. you can add jdk later but only if really needed |
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| 20:28.21 | mutante | otherwise it's probably a bit of bloat |
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| 20:33.31 | itsborked | I'm trying to apt upgrade, and docker-ce fails (invoke-rc.d: initscript docker, action "start" failed). I don't see anything to go on in systemctl. Where should I start to debug? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/9268454c/ |
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| 20:35.08 | jak2000 | mutante: https://paste.debian.net/1116836/ line 203 cant install |
| 20:35.09 | jak2000 | :( |
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| 20:35.56 | mutante | jak2000: you are mixing Debian and Ubuntu. That's called a "frankendebian" |
| 20:36.04 | mutante | !frankendebian |
| 20:36.04 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
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| 20:36.28 | mutante | especially not buster and trusty |
| 20:36.30 | revolutionary | !flw |
| 20:36.30 | dpkg | < stumbles> nvz: in that case I seem to have a whole lot of packages that i have accidentally upgraded to unstable - is there a 1 liner i can use to downgrade them all to testing? < Eulex> stumbles, no < nvz> stumbles: haha < nvz> stumbles: thats cute < stumbles> heh off i go then clickety click |
| 20:36.36 | revolutionary | !fwl |
| 20:37.20 | jak2000 | ooo i check the packages |
| 20:37.29 | mutante | jak2000: under no circumstances you want "http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu trusty" anywhere in your APT sources |
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| 20:38.28 | mutante | jak2000: the package i listed is part of the normal buster Debian repos.. no need for adding anything |
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| 20:39.35 | mutante | jak2000: clean up the files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and /etc/apt/sources.list then apt-get update and then try that again |
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| 20:42.34 | jak2000 | now installing :) |
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| 20:46.59 | jak2000 | beautiful: https://paste.debian.net/1116841 |
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| 20:48.22 | mutante | jak2000: :) |
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| 20:48.59 | dob1 | hi, I don't remember which command to use to add a samba user, I know there are 2, smbpasswd and another one, but I don't remember which one I have to use |
| 20:49.18 | somiaj | smbpasswd I think only generates the password, I forget how to add users though |
| 20:49.23 | greycat | if it's already a Linux user, then all you need is smbpasswd |
| 20:49.46 | dob1 | yes a linux user |
| 20:49.50 | dob1 | to samba user |
| 20:49.52 | greycat | smbpasswd -a username |
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| 20:50.16 | jak2000 | mutante you know about glassfish? |
| 20:50.43 | dob1 | greycat, ok ! |
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| 20:51.39 | mutante | jak2000: no. but something about "runs on top of Apache Felix" ? |
| 20:54.03 | mutante | jak2000: it looks like they dont make proper Debian packages and you need to manually download and install it .. :( |
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| 21:20.33 | jak2000 | mutante cant create a domain: https://paste.debian.net/1116849 |
| 21:20.42 | jak2000 | i think need install java8 on my debian 10 |
| 21:21.45 | mutante | jak2000: ok.. well. luckily that is not hard since you can just apt-get remove the 11 package and apt-get install the 8 package |
| 21:23.23 | jak2000 | i do: apt remove openjdk-11-jre |
| 21:23.27 | jak2000 | and then apt purge java |
| 21:23.38 | jak2000 | but java -version continue give me some info... |
| 21:23.55 | greycat | "type -a java" may be enlightening |
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| 21:25.07 | jak2000 | java is /usr/bin/java and /bin/java |
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| 21:25.45 | greycat | if you're on a new install (not upgrade) of buster, /bin is probably a symlink to /usr/bin |
| 21:25.50 | mutante | jak2000: apt-get remove --purge openjdk-11-jre ? |
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| 21:26.08 | tangarora__ | hi guys... I am wondering if I am missing something wiht variable expansion in a case statement... it does not weem like it is expanding the var... here is the line: case $selection in; $exelist esac -- it works if I paste the contents of the $exelist |
| 21:26.34 | tangarora__ | I am trying to build whiptail menus on the fly based on the output of a command... |
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| 21:26.47 | greycat | tangarora__: https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/040 |
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| 21:27.42 | jak2000 | yes: https://paste.debian.net/1116850 |
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| 21:30.12 | ratrace | greycat: you should really bring in the greybot :) |
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| 21:31.09 | greycat | Questions that really belong in #bash are infrequent enough that it's not worth the injection of another bot. |
| 21:31.22 | tangarora__ | greycat, thanks for the input... but I have both whiptail and dialog working interchangeably... I am familiar wiht the structure... and it works except for the case statement evauating the choice... |
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| 21:31.44 | greycat | The point is that you build up an array of arguments, and then pass them to whiptail, or dialog, or zenity, or whatever. |
| 21:31.56 | greycat | The approach is the same. |
| 21:32.34 | tangarora__ | an array.... ok I think i did that... maybe I am stumbling on something... |
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| 21:34.04 | tangarora__ | here is what I am fiddling with: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FYrBcmfq8y/ |
| 21:35.34 | tangarora__ | So it displays perfectly... its just the last part... |
| 21:36.21 | tangarora__ | When I write out the 1) command ;; it works... but not if I build it in a variable and try to use that... |
| 21:36.45 | tangarora__ | It does work in the whiptail part... just not in the case statement |
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| 21:37.34 | greycat | Against my better judgment, let's open this thing in lynx and see... |
| 21:37.47 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.48 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.52 | greycat | That part is nonsense. |
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| 21:38.04 | jak2000 | mutante: i am ok? |
| 21:38.04 | greycat | closes lynx and clears the screen |
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| 21:38.49 | greycat | You REALLY, REALLY, REALLY need to learn how to use arrays and associative arrays. |
| 21:39.04 | greycat | You don't seem to understand the concept. |
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| 21:39.43 | tangarora__ | I am not a pro... jut trying here... |
| 21:39.54 | tangarora__ | this is the one that I wrote that works... https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FYrBcmfq8y/ |
| 21:40.15 | greycat | more paste.ubuntu that you can't even view raw without an account... no. |
| 21:40.35 | greycat | Learn how to program. Then learn how to program in bash. Then write your program. |
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| 21:40.54 | greycat | At the VERY bare minimum, learn the difference between a string and an array. |
| 21:41.02 | tangarora__ | That is what I am hoping to get help with... |
| 21:41.26 | mutante | jak2000: i dont know. does it work now? |
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| 21:46.34 | Csubi | hey uys, anyone familiar with osmc/kodi? |
| 21:46.45 | Csubi | stupid question, obviously you all are |
| 21:47.02 | petn-randall | Csubi: It's better if you ask your real question. |
| 21:47.23 | petn-randall | Csubi: With a few hundred people in this channel you can safely assume that someone knows something about your problem. |
| 21:47.26 | Csubi | I am having an issue that there is an overlay of the menu in the background from the time of startup. even during video playback... |
| 21:47.41 | petn-randall | Csubi: On Debian stable? |
| 21:47.48 | Csubi | yes |
| 21:47.53 | petn-randall | Csubi: buster? |
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| 21:48.00 | Csubi | osmc - november build |
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| 21:48.41 | petn-randall | Csubi: Ah, OSMC is not Debian, sorry. |
| 21:49.05 | Csubi | I thought it was some sort of debian |
| 21:49.26 | somiaj | !based on debian |
| 21:49.26 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 21:49.31 | somiaj | !osmc |
| 21:49.31 | dpkg | OSMC is a Linux distribution enabling the <Raspberry Pi> and other devices to operate as an <XBMC> front-end. It is not supported in #debian. https://osmc.tv/ #osmc on chat.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
| 21:49.33 | Csubi | anyhow, anyone can help me please? ;) |
| 21:49.47 | somiaj | Csubi: try #osmc for OSMC |
| 21:49.56 | petn-randall | Csubi: Seems as though you might get help in #osmc on chat.freenode.net. |
| 21:50.13 | Csubi | ok, thanks guys |
| 21:50.27 | petn-randall | I can't reproduce the issue on buster, so it might be specific to their build. |
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| 21:59.28 | Kobaz | hmm, i have two different experiences installing slapd on the same distro on different boxes |
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| 22:00.05 | Kobaz | one asks me for admin password and base dn. and then the other just does admin password. I have no idea how to configure the base dn because the other system it actually asks for it |
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| 22:04.08 | mutante | Kobaz: check /etc/ldap/ldap.conf for a line with "BASE" |
| 22:04.15 | nulix | hi kobaz, i seem kinda lost there, base dn is usually the domain of the directory instance |
| 22:04.49 | Kobaz | what's weird... (Same version of slapd: 2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u4) is i have a BASE in one, but not the other |
| 22:04.51 | mutante | if your domain is example.com then i would expect BASE dc=example,dc=com |
| 22:05.10 | Kobaz | okay so... say box A has a working slapd.... box B also needs slapd |
| 22:05.27 | Kobaz | box A, apt-get install. and the setup dialog does everything, password + base dn |
| 22:05.41 | Kobaz | box A does not have /etc/ldap/ldap.conf |
| 22:06.11 | Kobaz | box B apt-get install. setup dialog does admin password, and that's it... and drops a file in /etc/ldap/ldap.conf with some template information |
| 22:06.16 | mutante | you can try "dpkg-reconfigure <packagename>" to repeat the setup steps it does at install |
| 22:06.24 | Kobaz | yeah tried that |
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| 22:06.43 | Kobaz | weird |
| 22:06.53 | Kobaz | wait i guess this is different then |
| 22:07.05 | Kobaz | i tried doing a reinstall/reconfig: apt install --reinstall -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confask,confnew,confmiss" slapd |
| 22:07.18 | Kobaz | okay yeah so dpkg-reconfigure is working better than that |
| 22:07.24 | Kobaz | okay, it's doing base dn setup here, cool |
| 22:07.29 | mutante | nice |
| 22:07.52 | Kobaz | i wonder if box B previously had slapd and was half configured |
| 22:08.51 | mutante | sounds likely |
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| 22:09.17 | mutante | Kobaz: there is /var/log/apt/history/ if you feel like digging more |
| 22:09.38 | Kobaz | cool |
| 22:09.43 | mutante | eh /var/log/apt/history.* |
| 22:10.15 | mutante | the older ones are gzipped but you can use "zcat" or "zgrep" |
| 22:10.27 | Kobaz | yeah |
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| 22:10.43 | Kobaz | for i in *gz; do zgrep.... |
| 22:10.45 | Kobaz | all that fun stuff |
| 22:11.13 | greycat | zgrep foo *.gz |
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| 22:12.26 | Kobaz | that works too |
| 22:15.07 | Kobaz | cool |
| 22:15.23 | Kobaz | next step is re-figuring postgres backend |
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| 22:23.22 | bernyrd | one of my cpu has bad memory channel |
| 22:23.25 | bernyrd | can I blacklist it in scheduler |
| 22:24.08 | teclo- | evening |
| 22:24.46 | teclo- | I'm having issues with debian-installer... should I ask here or is there another appropriate channel, perhaps on another network ? There was #debian-boot somewhere I think |
| 22:25.03 | Kobaz | https://web.archive.org/web/20140806175048/https://bryanquigley.com/planet-ubuntu/bad-memory-howto |
| 22:25.23 | greycat | "I'm having trouble installing Debian" -> here. "I'm having trouble customizing the Debian installer" -> #debian-boot on OFTC. |
| 22:25.40 | teclo- | greycat: ok I'll ask here, thank oyu :) |
| 22:26.10 | teclo- | I need to double-check the errors I got in the logs, then I'll ask... ya know, better have all information before asking |
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| 22:50.42 | bernyrd | Kobaz: not super helpful, regardless of RAM ordering there is a single CPU with so many bad reads it locks up memtest86+ |
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| 22:50.54 | bernyrd | if I move them it is still CPU6 |
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| 22:51.54 | bernyrd | if I do it single threaded it also works, including with the sticks I had binary searched to be the "bad" ones |
| 22:52.03 | bernyrd | but I can't do the whole lot together single threaded... takes too long |
| 22:52.06 | bernyrd | (256GB) |
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| 22:55.57 | jhutchins_wk | bernyrd: memtest is expected to take hours to run. |
| 22:56.10 | bernyrd | we're talking like a week |
| 22:56.24 | bernyrd | I could manage to do this I suppose but the problem seems fairly obvious |
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| 22:57.39 | teclo- | hmmm okay now I see |
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| 22:58.24 | teclo- | well the installer fails when I select my debian mirror |
| 22:58.34 | bernyrd | jhutchins_wk: the multicore test *would* take days with the full RAM populated but if I populate that much RAM, the issue with the bad core surfaces and memtest86+ locks up |
| 22:58.43 | bernyrd | without multicore it'd take a lot longer |
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| 22:58.50 | teclo- | it's upgrading 23 packages which are newer than the media I'm installing from |
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| 22:59.07 | teclo- | and it fails with "not enough space on /var/cache/apt/archives" |
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| 23:02.57 | trek00 | teclo-: do you have a small partition? |
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| 23:06.03 | jhutchins_wk | teclo-: /var is on it's own partition? |
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| 23:10.44 | teclo- | trek00, jhutchins_wk yes that seems to be th eissue |
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| 23:11.49 | teclo- | the information on ctrl-alt-f4 is quit useful |
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| 23:13.05 | ^7heo | ohai |
| 23:13.22 | ^7heo | I come to report a bug in zsh, that has been fixed upstream. |
| 23:13.50 | somiaj | !reportbug |
| 23:13.51 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
| 23:13.52 | ^7heo | it's a functionality bug, is it likely that Axel Beckert would backport the fix in the older packages? |
| 23:14.27 | somiaj | depends on the severty of the bug, usually only rc-bugs are considered and even then only some are. |
| 23:14.29 | ^7heo | if not, I'll simply ask someone at ubuntu to fix it, since they backport functionality bugs. |
| 23:14.41 | ^7heo | somiaj: this is a completion bug. |
| 23:14.50 | ^7heo | somiaj: only the command "git add" fails to complete correctly. |
| 23:15.00 | ^7heo | fix is here: http://www.zsh.org/mla/workers/2018/msg00140.html |
| 23:15.20 | somiaj | ^7heo: I doubt that will be fixed in the package, but wouldn't it be easy to fix locally? |
| 23:15.36 | ^7heo | I'm done with the local fix for about 1h |
| 23:15.40 | somiaj | or in zsh does it take more than edditing the tab-completion thing in /etc |
| 23:15.49 | ^7heo | I'm trying to get it in the packages so as not to have to bruteforce the diff on my files at every boot. |
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| 23:15.56 | ^7heo | or next update is going to nuke my file. |
| 23:15.59 | somiaj | make sure you report the bug to the debian bts, but I doubt it will be backported to stable. |
| 23:16.11 | somiaj | ^7heo: what file did you have to edit to make it work? |
| 23:16.20 | ^7heo | /usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/Unix/_git |
| 23:16.41 | ^7heo | it's a one line edit, to add a default to a shell substitution |
| 23:16.47 | ^7heo | literally 4 characters. |
| 23:16.52 | somiaj | ^7heo: does zsh allow you to put a file in /etc that overrides that file? |
| 23:16.53 | ^7heo | 3, sorry/ |
| 23:17.02 | ^7heo | not as far as I am aware. |
| 23:17.15 | somiaj | ^7heo: i.e. would haveing /etc/zsh/functions/Completion/Unix/_git override the system one |
| 23:17.24 | ^7heo | I could replace the *entire* function in my .zshrc I guess. |
| 23:17.25 | somiaj | hmm, I don't know zsh but sometimes this works, check the manpage |
| 23:17.39 | ^7heo | but that's a bit overkill. |
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| 23:18.35 | somiaj | ^7heo: note zsh will probably get very little updates in stable, so you should be fine. |
| 23:18.43 | somiaj | ,v zsh |
| 23:18.44 | judd | Package: zsh on amd64 -- jessie: 5.0.7-5+b1; stretch: 5.3.1-4+b3; buster: 5.7.1-1; bullseye: 5.7.1-1+b1; sid: 5.7.1-1+b1 |
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| 23:19.14 | trek00 | ^7heo: you could even mark zsh to not begin upgraded |
| 23:19.20 | somiaj | ^7heo: note in stretch zsh got 3 updates +b1, +b2, and +b3, which are updates due to secuirty holes in libaries that it depends on. |
| 23:19.35 | ^7heo | right |
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| 23:19.44 | somiaj | so I wouldn't worry to much about this, just be prepared to fix it if this happens (Which is very unliekly) |
| 23:20.11 | ^7heo | hmm |
| 23:20.24 | ^7heo | or I could simply give the ubuntu guys the patch, since they already have a diff for that package |
| 23:20.32 | ^7heo | and hope they'd backport it. |
| 23:20.34 | trek00 | ^7heo: anyway you could make a bug report and ask if it can be included in the next point release of stable |
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| 23:20.56 | ^7heo | trek00: sure, I could, but it's lots of work, and apparently the outcome is likely to be negative. |
| 23:21.02 | ^7heo | so, thanks :) |
| 23:21.06 | somiaj | if you provide a patch it might help, but yea, it will depend on the matainer if they think it is worth including in stable or not. |
| 23:21.31 | somiaj | it isn't hard to file a bug, I would just do it, only way to ensure debian devs know about it and have a chance of being backported. |
| 23:21.32 | ^7heo | it's the same maintainer as the ubuntu one, so I'm guessing he'll decide to take the fix upstream himself ;) |
| 23:21.59 | ^7heo | somiaj: I can't use the binary and I find the web interface difficult. If only I could just write a mail to a ML, I'd do that. |
| 23:22.00 | somiaj | the biggest thing here is debian policy, stable is a frozen system, not a bug free system. |
| 23:22.08 | ^7heo | sure. |
| 23:22.11 | ^7heo | I' |
| 23:22.13 | ^7heo | oops |
| 23:22.24 | somiaj | ^7heo: you can, the bts is just a mailing list, just compase a correctly configured email. Why can't you use reportbug? |
| 23:22.32 | ^7heo | I'll deal with the ubuntu side of things and since the maintainer is one single person, it should bleed over if it makes sense. |
| 23:22.39 | somiaj | I personally use reportbug to generate the bugreport, then save it to a file, and copy/paste it into an email and send it. |
| 23:22.58 | somiaj | but just sending an email is sufficent. |
| 23:22.58 | ^7heo | somiaj: I can't use reportbug because the mint I'm running has almost 0 byte free. |
| 23:23.05 | ^7heo | talk about an old SSD |
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| 23:24.20 | ^7heo | somiaj: if you want to report the bug, the info is all in http://www.zsh.org/mla/workers/2018/msg00140.html |
| 23:24.28 | ^7heo | I'll get back to work |
| 23:24.31 | ^7heo | thanks for the help guys :) |
| 23:24.34 | ^7heo | o/ |
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| 23:55.38 | teclo- | ok my problem solved, a classic case of PEBKAC :) |
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| 23:56.05 | *** topic/#debian by somiaj -> Current Debian release is buster, 10.2 point release /msg dpkg 10.2; /msg dpkg buster; /msg dpkg stretch->buster; /msg dpkg apt suite changed | Oldstable Stretch: /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg 9.11 ; 9.11 needs dist-upgrade | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
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| 23:56.28 | trek00 | :) |
| 23:57.02 | teclo- | this time it's my fault... I like to have /var as a separate partition, and I created a VM with 200M of /var (since for that VM I've got only 421 packages installed) I t hought 200M would be enough |
| 23:57.14 | teclo- | but for the base install actually 200M in /var isn't enough |
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| 23:57.22 | teclo- | my fault, sorry :) |
| 23:58.22 | trek00 | teclo-: we are here to help, no need to sorry :) |
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| 23:59.40 | teclo- | trek00: ok :) |
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