| 00:00.07 | *** join/#debian peetaur2 (~peter@www.brockmann-consult.de) |
| 00:04.46 | *** join/#debian GrimKriegor (~grimkrieg@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt) |
| 00:04.49 | *** join/#debian GrimKriegor (~grimkrieg@unaffiliated/grimkriegor) |
| 00:05.24 | *** join/#debian faw (~faw@8.39.49.160) |
| 00:06.29 | *** join/#debian emOne (~emOne@unaffiliated/emone) |
| 00:07.18 | *** join/#debian jako (~wako@200.68.140.22) |
| 00:07.43 | *** join/#debian blorpmcgee (~bar@2600:1700:3ce0:1960:60e4:f374:69b2:a245) |
| 00:07.49 | *** join/#debian EdFletcherT137 (~EdFletche@unaffiliated/edfletchert137) |
| 00:08.15 | *** join/#debian giryoutube (05282abd@5.40.42.189) |
| 00:08.27 | giryoutube | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg983M6_vFQ |
| 00:08.41 | *** part/#debian EdFletcherT137 (~EdFletche@unaffiliated/edfletchert137) |
| 00:11.02 | *** join/#debian JStoker (jstoker@unaffiliated/jstoker) |
| 00:15.36 | *** join/#debian dtux (~dmtucker@2600:1700:22f0:37b0:fcaf:2ce3:affe:d1df) |
| 00:19.27 | *** join/#debian faw (~faw@unaffiliated/faw) |
| 00:21.54 | *** join/#debian jxel (673f5f26@103.63.95.38) |
| 00:25.37 | *** join/#debian yonder (~yonder@unaffiliated/yonder) |
| 00:26.02 | *** join/#debian ahi2 (~ahi2@unaffiliated/ahi2) |
| 00:27.56 | *** join/#debian yue-lan (~lanyue@218.76.23.26) |
| 00:29.23 | *** join/#debian h0ffm4n (~h0ffm4n@167.249.171.2) |
| 00:30.16 | plantroon | I removed a disk from mdadm raid1 array. When starting the server though, it doesn't start as degraded but inactive and sets the disk as spare (S) - I want the array to start degraded but it doesn't. Does anyone else have a similar need/problem? I can fix this by hacking around initramfs's mdadm scripts |
| 00:31.24 | *** join/#debian njka (~njka@unaffiliated/njka) |
| 00:31.55 | *** join/#debian cthonic (~otho@unaffiliated/cthonic) |
| 00:32.33 | *** join/#debian rabbitear_g (~rabbitear@gateway/tor-sasl/rabbitearg/x-03735317) |
| 00:32.40 | *** join/#debian EmleyMoor (42b789682f@firthpark.tinsleyviaduct.com) |
| 00:33.33 | *** join/#debian tme520 (~tme520@49.255.128.6) |
| 00:34.23 | *** join/#debian vivid (~ViViD@unaffiliated/vivid) |
| 00:35.20 | *** join/#debian torbo (~user@162.249.163.177) |
| 00:36.51 | jxel | hiii |
| 00:36.53 | jxel | how are we all |
| 00:37.53 | *** join/#debian jeddi (~jedd@203.129.25.127) |
| 00:39.53 | annadane | tired and grumpy |
| 00:40.05 | sponix | plantroon: I do ZFS and things work as expected |
| 00:41.08 | *** join/#debian Wulf4 (~Wulf@unaffiliated/wulf) |
| 00:43.36 | *** join/#debian r1nt3c (~inerin@58x5x90x194.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp) |
| 00:45.50 | *** join/#debian ahi2 (~ahi2@unaffiliated/ahi2) |
| 00:49.22 | *** join/#debian jako_ (~wako@200.68.140.22) |
| 00:55.42 | *** join/#debian joe_alf (~joe_alf@unaffiliated/joe-alf/x-9081518) |
| 00:56.05 | *** join/#debian cdown (~cdown@89.32.122.5) |
| 00:59.50 | *** join/#debian m0rd3cai (~m0rd3cai@unaffiliated/m0rd3cai) |
| 01:00.59 | *** join/#debian __jrjsmrtn__ (~jrjsmrtn@ip-62-235-100-129.dsl.scarlet.be) |
| 01:01.25 | *** join/#debian de-facto (~de-facto@gateway/tor-sasl/de-facto) |
| 01:01.36 | *** join/#debian EdFletcherT137 (~EdFletche@unaffiliated/edfletchert137) |
| 01:02.29 | *** join/#debian SiAnDoG_ (~514nDoG@gateway/tor-sasl/siandog) |
| 01:05.41 | *** join/#debian CaptainN (~KevinKeen@unaffiliated/captainn) |
| 01:08.12 | *** join/#debian MikeDebian (~Mike@bl12-167-178.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 01:08.23 | *** join/#debian semeion (~semeion@unaffiliated/semeion) |
| 01:10.15 | *** join/#debian dtux (~dmtucker@2600:1700:22f0:37b0:1ec:6c1d:4fa6:2806) |
| 01:10.57 | *** join/#debian lanyue_ (~lanyue@218.76.23.26) |
| 01:12.27 | *** join/#debian lanyue_ (~lanyue@218.76.23.26) |
| 01:20.59 | *** join/#debian m1dnight_ (~m1dnight@78-22-11-99.access.telenet.be) |
| 01:23.25 | *** join/#debian Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@ppp-88-217-84-49.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 01:24.30 | *** join/#debian lanyue__ (~lanyue@218.76.23.26) |
| 01:24.50 | *** join/#debian [CaptainN] (~KevinKeen@047-227-076-217.res.spectrum.com) |
| 01:26.02 | *** join/#debian lanyue__ (~lanyue@218.76.23.26) |
| 01:27.33 | *** join/#debian tme520_ (~tme520@49.255.128.6) |
| 01:28.10 | *** join/#debian tme520__ (~tme520@120.21.173.10) |
| 01:29.05 | *** join/#debian lanyue_ (~lanyue@218.76.23.26) |
| 01:32.17 | *** join/#debian Dragon092 (~Dragon@business-24-134-108-65.pool2.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 01:32.52 | *** join/#debian tme520_ (~tme520@49.255.128.6) |
| 01:33.08 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.74.200) |
| 01:35.18 | *** join/#debian ahi2 (~ahi2@unaffiliated/ahi2) |
| 01:36.12 | *** join/#debian nuuuciano (~luuuciano@unaffiliated/luuuciano) |
| 01:36.35 | *** join/#debian WardenOfNight (~WardenOfN@095-096-016-253.static.chello.nl) |
| 01:37.59 | *** join/#debian alkaemy (~AdminUser@179.176.5.8.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) |
| 01:38.32 | *** join/#debian akko (~gentoo@gateway/tor-sasl/akko) |
| 01:39.10 | *** join/#debian ZaZaGX (kenny@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/zazagx) |
| 01:39.48 | *** join/#debian faw (~faw@8.39.49.160) |
| 01:40.02 | *** join/#debian HZun (~HZun@0x3ec721e2.osd.customer.dk.telia.net) |
| 01:41.57 | *** join/#debian r1nt3c_ (~inerin@58x5x90x194.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp) |
| 01:43.25 | *** join/#debian ultamatt (4a7186ca@74.113.134.202) |
| 01:46.24 | *** join/#debian toxync12- (~toxync12@120.244.111.212) |
| 01:47.06 | *** join/#debian AlKaEmY (~AdminUser@179.176.5.8.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) |
| 01:48.48 | *** join/#debian diniwed (~gavron@185.253.99.116) |
| 01:49.17 | *** join/#debian Vondex (~william@52.144.111.213) |
| 01:49.43 | *** part/#debian Vondex (~william@52.144.111.213) |
| 01:50.56 | *** join/#debian bolt (~r00t@unaffiliated/bolt) |
| 01:51.35 | ahi2 | fresh install 10.2 networking.service loaded but failed. anyone else have this? |
| 01:51.58 | *** join/#debian Buliarous (~gypsydang@unaffiliated/buliarous) |
| 01:52.30 | *** join/#debian TheCreeper2 (~TheCreepe@unaffiliated/thecreeper) |
| 01:59.36 | *** join/#debian ensamvarg (~ensamvarg@ip923439df.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 02:00.48 | *** join/#debian BaW (~BaW@unaffiliated/baw) |
| 02:01.55 | *** join/#debian jako (~wako@189.244.220.124) |
| 02:02.37 | sponix | ahi2: no, my networking does okay |
| 02:02.54 | ahi2 | hmm |
| 02:03.30 | *** join/#debian TheCreeper2 (~TheCreepe@unaffiliated/thecreeper) |
| 02:04.04 | *** join/#debian black_ant (~antilope@host86-137-153-120.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) |
| 02:04.04 | *** join/#debian black_ant (~antilope@unaffiliated/black-ant/x-1505394) |
| 02:05.00 | *** join/#debian filpAM (~filipe@191.189.9.28) |
| 02:05.02 | filpAM | s |
| 02:07.01 | sponix | ahi2: tried checking some dmesg, syslog, and so forth ? |
| 02:08.04 | *** join/#debian tme520_ (~tme520@49.255.128.6) |
| 02:08.31 | jim | t |
| 02:09.13 | *** join/#debian _lnslbrty (~NULL@ipservice-092-219-047-168.092.219.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 02:12.32 | *** join/#debian Emmanuel_Chanel (~Emmanuel_@ZN025170.ppp.dion.ne.jp) |
| 02:12.38 | *** join/#debian nyov (~nyov@unaffiliated/nyov) |
| 02:12.55 | *** join/#debian stephentt (~stephentt@118.69.66.129) |
| 02:13.28 | *** join/#debian ahi2 (~ahi2@unaffiliated/ahi2) |
| 02:15.48 | *** join/#debian stephentt (~stephentt@118.69.66.129) |
| 02:19.12 | *** join/#debian AlKaEmY (~AdminUser@179.176.5.8.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) |
| 02:20.54 | *** join/#debian asterismo_l (~asterismo@179.26.140.114) |
| 02:23.23 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@120.244.238.16) |
| 02:23.43 | ahi2 | fixed failed networking service by changing "auto eth0" to "allow-hotplug eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces.d/setup |
| 02:29.31 | *** join/#debian patterson (~patterson@73.96.104.226) |
| 02:30.43 | *** join/#debian mandrak (~Mandrak@2804:14c:da90:5834:d558:53c4:cd82:491b) |
| 02:31.54 | *** join/#debian xar- (xar-@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe24:4661) |
| 02:32.15 | *** join/#debian njka (~njka@unaffiliated/njka) |
| 02:32.52 | *** join/#debian pedro__ (~DodgeThis@246.102.90.149.rev.vodafone.pt) |
| 02:35.25 | *** join/#debian TheSilentLink (~TheSilent@unaffiliated/thesilentlink) |
| 02:37.15 | *** join/#debian blueskies (~blueskies@ip68-14-170-95.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 02:38.18 | blueskies | i haven't used my laptop ina while and have forgotten my password. It is set to autologin. Trying to figure out how to fix my password?? |
| 02:38.42 | *** join/#debian TheSilentLink_ (~TheSilent@unaffiliated/thesilentlink) |
| 02:40.13 | *** join/#debian naicam|ne (~naicam@gateway/tor-sasl/naicamne/x-42605175) |
| 02:40.14 | mutante | blueskies: does autologin mean you don't need a password? |
| 02:40.34 | *** join/#debian DammitJim (~DammitJim@097-100-184-158.res.spectrum.com) |
| 02:41.31 | blueskies | to get to desktop. I need to fix my password to be able to update, install , etc |
| 02:41.59 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@120.244.168.42) |
| 02:42.24 | *** join/#debian sidmo_ (~ident@p5B24E502.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 02:43.02 | mutante | blueskies: open a terminal and type "passwd" |
| 02:43.54 | blueskies | right.. if I remembered my password i could do that |
| 02:43.58 | mutante | blueskies: ah.. wait.. so first become root and then use "passwd blueskies" |
| 02:44.42 | mutante | either you have sudo without password, then you can "sudo su -" or you use "root" as user and remember that other password |
| 02:45.36 | *** join/#debian macaronus (macaronus@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/macaronus) |
| 02:46.06 | mutante | if you dont remember either then boot from another medium and mount the disk and then edit directly /etc/shadow and replace the hashed password with a hash of a password you know |
| 02:46.44 | mutante | like you can first create a new user, give it a known pass..then copy/paste the hash to your other user. |
| 02:49.53 | *** join/#debian fmaurer (~quassel@188.126.178.1) |
| 02:51.46 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@x5d83b826.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 02:52.55 | *** join/#debian pclover (~pclover@unaffiliated/pclov3r) |
| 02:56.55 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@120.244.238.16) |
| 02:58.12 | *** join/#debian dvs (~hibbard@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 02:59.09 | *** join/#debian n_1-c_k (~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70) |
| 03:01.49 | *** join/#debian tangarora_ (~tangarora@81-230-77-68-no201.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 03:07.17 | *** join/#debian hoarycripple (~hoarycrip@pool-100-17-19-205.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 03:07.37 | *** join/#debian mibo (~mibo@ip-89-103-84-86.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 03:08.25 | *** join/#debian DeaDSouL (~DeaDSouL@95.174.64.2) |
| 03:08.42 | jeddi | or just go straight to single user mode via grub at boot. |
| 03:11.56 | *** join/#debian earthnative (~nemo@119.18.37.212) |
| 03:12.02 | *** join/#debian DirkS (~DirkS@b2b-130-180-51-242.unitymedia.biz) |
| 03:15.51 | *** join/#debian parrot (~parrothom@180.251.230.36) |
| 03:17.58 | *** join/#debian toxync12- (~toxync12@120.244.238.16) |
| 03:21.02 | *** join/#debian sq (~mj@unaffiliated/squirrel) |
| 03:21.52 | *** join/#debian funabashi (funabashi@185.52.0.236) |
| 03:24.24 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.44.103) |
| 03:26.09 | *** join/#debian Cabanossi (~Cabanossi@ppp-88-217-68-203.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 03:26.39 | *** join/#debian jdk2 (~jdk2@37-172-165-209.akrr.static.gci.net) |
| 03:26.42 | *** join/#debian kellerj (~jdk2@37-172-165-209.akrr.static.gci.net) |
| 03:28.22 | *** join/#debian tme520_ (~tme520@49.255.128.6) |
| 03:33.30 | *** join/#debian Guest8302 (~tls@191.33.233.87) |
| 03:34.24 | *** join/#debian httperr418 (~nothing@82-68-82-102.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 03:35.10 | *** join/#debian Guest8302 (~tls@191.33.233.87) |
| 03:36.03 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.74.200) |
| 03:45.32 | *** join/#debian qqx (~qqx@pug.qqx.org) |
| 03:48.12 | *** join/#debian Surfer2011 (~quassel@i59F7C704.versanet.de) |
| 03:49.41 | *** join/#debian argusbr (~tls@191.33.233.87) |
| 03:49.41 | *** join/#debian argusbr (~tls@unaffiliated/argusbr) |
| 03:49.46 | *** join/#debian madage (~madage@gateway/tor-sasl/madage) |
| 03:51.28 | annadane | sorry, i've searched and can't find this, how do you enable popcon? |
| 03:54.52 | dvs | annadane, I though you just needed to install the package. |
| 03:55.02 | annadane | oh i don't even have it installed |
| 03:55.07 | annadane | thaaat's why |
| 03:55.15 | dvs | ,v popularity-contest |
| 03:55.16 | judd | Package: popularity-contest on amd64 -- jessie: 1.61; stretch: 1.64; buster: 1.67; bullseye: 1.69; sid: 1.69 |
| 03:55.47 | annadane | it's because if you select 'no' in the installer it still says "configuring popcon" or whatever |
| 03:55.55 | annadane | so i just assumed it's installed but just not activated |
| 03:56.00 | annadane | i'm smart, aren't i?... |
| 03:56.09 | dvs | !prize annadane |
| 03:56.09 | dpkg | gives annadane a yogi pin. |
| 03:59.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1552] by debhelper |
| 03:59.14 | *** join/#debian uNmowed (~Kaede@213.129.50.9) |
| 04:00.32 | *** join/#debian papua (~papua@unaffiliated/papua) |
| 04:00.33 | *** join/#debian xcm (~xcm@ipa210.225.tellas.gr) |
| 04:01.02 | *** join/#debian well_laid_lawn (~Jean-luc@c114-77-254-225.rochd21.qld.optusnet.com.au) |
| 04:04.06 | *** join/#debian nucleargnat (~nucleargn@122-58-248-101-vdsl.sparkbb.co.nz) |
| 04:07.53 | *** join/#debian jako_ (~wako@189.244.220.124) |
| 04:08.37 | *** join/#debian Immanuel (~Manu@dynamic-adsl-94-34-4-102.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 04:09.31 | *** join/#debian HZun_ (~HZun@0x3ec721e2.osd.customer.dk.telia.net) |
| 04:12.35 | *** join/#debian diniwed (~gavron@85.203.20.28) |
| 04:14.21 | *** join/#debian faw (~faw@8.39.49.160) |
| 04:15.17 | *** join/#debian joe_alf (~joe_alf@unaffiliated/joe-alf/x-9081518) |
| 04:21.46 | *** join/#debian patterson (~patterson@73.96.104.226) |
| 04:28.22 | *** join/#debian stackfault (~stackfaul@unaffiliated/stackfault) |
| 04:29.36 | *** join/#debian chachasmooth (~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth) |
| 04:31.03 | *** join/#debian Prints (~333@unaffiliated/prints) |
| 04:32.28 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.44.103) |
| 04:33.02 | *** join/#debian njka (~njka@unaffiliated/njka) |
| 04:35.47 | *** join/#debian yue-lan (~lanyue@218.76.23.26) |
| 04:39.28 | *** join/#debian lanyue_ (~lanyue@218.76.23.26) |
| 04:43.41 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.74.200) |
| 04:44.17 | *** join/#debian thePiGrepper (~nagato@190.236.207.101) |
| 04:49.00 | *** join/#debian lanyue__ (~lanyue@218.76.23.26) |
| 04:50.51 | *** join/#debian Lxrowe (~Lxrowe@101.178.229.25) |
| 04:59.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1544] by debhelper |
| 04:59.32 | *** join/#debian gridcommand (~gridcomma@2601:86:600:4f1:9c67:8a04:fbe6:e463) |
| 05:00.49 | *** join/#debian Colti (Miramar-FL@2a00:c1e0:0:2:0:1:208:ab5e) |
| 05:01.23 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@152.170.95.144) |
| 05:01.24 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 05:05.25 | *** join/#debian vdehors (~vdehors@91-162-62-2.subs.proxad.net) |
| 05:05.34 | *** join/#debian Zauberfisch (~Zauberfis@cm133-10.liwest.at) |
| 05:07.01 | *** join/#debian citypw (~citypw@061092022235.ctinets.com) |
| 05:09.39 | *** join/#debian icenII (~Icenii@94.15.143.159) |
| 05:10.17 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@152.170.95.144) |
| 05:10.17 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 05:12.15 | *** join/#debian Jade_NL (~JadeNL@unaffiliated/jade-nl/x-0507005) |
| 05:14.03 | *** join/#debian fflori (~fflori@194.230.155.102) |
| 05:14.10 | *** join/#debian eightyone (uid177650@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-robultdtuafymaex) |
| 05:15.58 | *** join/#debian aliasnumber10 (~crix@cpe-76-167-192-248.san.res.rr.com) |
| 05:21.26 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 05:21.45 | *** join/#debian xinming_ (~xinming@115.219.38.138) |
| 05:26.04 | *** join/#debian diogenes_ (~diogenes_@188.208.123.31) |
| 05:26.25 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@152.170.95.144) |
| 05:26.25 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 05:26.25 | *** join/#debian vaxsquid (~vaxsquid@2a06:a006:f3:22::a67c) |
| 05:27.00 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@120.244.168.109) |
| 05:30.15 | *** join/#debian Tom-_ (tomg@64-7-156-185.border8-dynamic.dsl.sentex.ca) |
| 05:32.48 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 05:33.59 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@152.170.95.144) |
| 05:34.00 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 05:36.57 | *** join/#debian lanyue_ (~lanyue@218.76.23.26) |
| 05:37.35 | *** join/#debian AgTh (~b50c6@static-210-214-117-93.thenetworkfactory.nl) |
| 05:39.36 | *** join/#debian jako (~wako@189.244.220.124) |
| 05:39.39 | *** join/#debian s8548a (~s8548a@unaffiliated/s8548a) |
| 05:41.10 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 05:42.23 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 05:43.28 | *** join/#debian airstorm (~belovent@cr-01.anx09.lju.si.anexia-it.com) |
| 05:43.59 | *** join/#debian beepboop (uid367712@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xcmjtxbpzekxgvbz) |
| 05:50.29 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 05:52.42 | *** join/#debian sydney_untangle (~sydney@supertux/sydney) |
| 05:53.38 | *** join/#debian brettgilio (~brettgili@2605:6000:1a0d:4579:ad4:6aff:fee6:bce8) |
| 05:57.23 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 05:59.00 | *** join/#debian lanyue__ (~lanyue@218.76.23.26) |
| 05:59.26 | *** join/#debian lanyue_ (~lanyue@218.76.23.26) |
| 06:00.13 | *** join/#debian kfvn_ (~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/kh4ydn) |
| 06:00.15 | *** join/#debian himcesjf_ (~cesjf@unaffiliated/himcesjf) |
| 06:01.43 | *** join/#debian papua (~papua@unaffiliated/papua) |
| 06:04.07 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 06:08.08 | *** join/#debian lanyue__ (~lanyue@2408:84f2:489:83a3:c9ca:abd9:2a04:61b0) |
| 06:09.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1550] by debhelper |
| 06:09.34 | *** join/#debian lanyue__ (~lanyue@2408:84f2:489:83a3:c9ca:abd9:2a04:61b0) |
| 06:11.08 | *** join/#debian lanyue__ (~lanyue@2408:84f2:489:83a3:c9ca:abd9:2a04:61b0) |
| 06:11.23 | *** join/#debian jbullet (~jbullet@85.96.212.165) |
| 06:12.33 | *** join/#debian lanyue__ (~lanyue@2408:84f2:489:83a3:c9ca:abd9:2a04:61b0) |
| 06:14.05 | *** join/#debian lanyue__ (~lanyue@2408:84f2:489:83a3:c9ca:abd9:2a04:61b0) |
| 06:14.30 | *** join/#debian jnavila (~jnavila@2a01:e0a:d1:f360:33e:2802:50eb:d77d) |
| 06:14.35 | *** join/#debian AgTh (~b50c6@static-210-214-117-93.thenetworkfactory.nl) |
| 06:15.33 | *** join/#debian lanyue__ (~lanyue@2408:84f2:489:83a3:c9ca:abd9:2a04:61b0) |
| 06:17.09 | *** join/#debian lanyue__ (~lanyue@2408:84f2:489:83a3:c9ca:abd9:2a04:61b0) |
| 06:17.22 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 06:18.43 | *** join/#debian lanyue__ (~lanyue@2408:84f2:489:83a3:c9ca:abd9:2a04:61b0) |
| 06:18.45 | *** join/#debian xcynth (~xcynth@67.143.193.51) |
| 06:23.16 | *** join/#debian diogenes_ (~diogenes_@188.208.120.204) |
| 06:24.05 | *** join/#debian AgTh (~b50c6@static-210-214-117-93.thenetworkfactory.nl) |
| 06:24.07 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@152.170.95.144) |
| 06:24.07 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 06:25.43 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@120.244.168.42) |
| 06:28.50 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 06:30.27 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 06:31.20 | *** join/#debian grobi (~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/grobi) |
| 06:34.04 | *** join/#debian njka (~njka@unaffiliated/njka) |
| 06:34.29 | *** join/#debian stephen_ (~stephentt@ip-33-38-52-196.hk.asianpacifictelephone.com) |
| 06:38.51 | *** join/#debian sauvin (sauvin@about/linux/staff/sauvin) |
| 06:38.57 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 06:39.02 | *** join/#debian alei1180 (~alei1180@78-106-4-116.broadband.corbina.ru) |
| 06:39.35 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@152.170.95.144) |
| 06:39.35 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 06:41.49 | *** join/#debian toxync12- (~toxync12@223.72.44.103) |
| 06:43.29 | *** join/#debian Ericounet (~Eric@2a01:e35:2f6f:d750:a4db:7c79:4d2:d051) |
| 06:48.45 | *** join/#debian tyranny12 (~blarg@unaffiliated/tyranny12) |
| 06:50.26 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@152.170.95.144) |
| 06:50.26 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 06:54.29 | *** join/#debian __marco (~marco@88.207.208.253) |
| 06:55.58 | *** join/#debian AgTh (~b50c6@static-210-214-117-93.thenetworkfactory.nl) |
| 06:59.59 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 07:03.11 | *** join/#debian timahvo1 (~rogue@41.80.149.34) |
| 07:04.11 | *** join/#debian tagomago (~tagomago@47.61.32.3) |
| 07:04.30 | *** join/#debian Adbray (~Adbray@2600:6c48:6f7f:d764:a564:ba69:8b60:3e13) |
| 07:05.48 | *** join/#debian tagomago (~tagomago@47.61.32.3) |
| 07:07.20 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 07:07.38 | *** join/#debian wooden (~wooden@c-73-80-106-100.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 07:07.38 | *** join/#debian wooden (~wooden@pdpc/supporter/active/wooden) |
| 07:08.21 | *** join/#debian n_1-c_k (~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70) |
| 07:12.25 | *** join/#debian preview (~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b00::3) |
| 07:13.16 | *** join/#debian dionysus69 (~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/dionysus69) |
| 07:18.22 | *** join/#debian Sepultura (~quassel@p200300EDF720B500117B5701F80E5A3F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 07:18.22 | *** join/#debian Sepultura (~quassel@unaffiliated/sepultura) |
| 07:19.23 | *** join/#debian Paraquat (~333@unaffiliated/prints) |
| 07:20.37 | *** join/#debian beinbliss4 (~beinbliss@static.118.83.76.144.clients.your-server.de) |
| 07:21.28 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.74.200) |
| 07:22.33 | *** join/#debian Haohmaru (~Haohmaru@195.24.53.110) |
| 07:24.35 | *** join/#debian tekmans13 (~tekmans@2a01:e34:ed8d:6580:b9fa:cebb:8667:1ce6) |
| 07:25.02 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 07:25.45 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 07:28.17 | *** join/#debian HerbY_NL2 (~HerbY_NL2@2001:67c:2564:518:9a90:96ff:feba:53e6) |
| 07:33.00 | *** join/#debian l9 (~muad@unaffiliated/l9) |
| 07:34.40 | *** join/#debian marcello1 (~marcello1@host131-193-dynamic.37-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 07:34.46 | *** join/#debian silentjet (~jet@5.102.45.1) |
| 07:34.58 | *** join/#debian AgTh (~b50c6@122-74-20-31.ftth.glasoperator.nl) |
| 07:35.45 | *** join/#debian grimR_ (~js@pool-100-16-30-106.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) |
| 07:35.52 | *** join/#debian zamuro (~Samantha@218.red-2-138-43.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 07:35.52 | *** join/#debian zamuro (~Samantha@unaffiliated/zamuro) |
| 07:37.00 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 07:37.07 | *** join/#debian luuuciano (~luuuciano@unaffiliated/luuuciano) |
| 07:37.47 | *** join/#debian nuuuciano (~luuuciano@unaffiliated/luuuciano) |
| 07:42.00 | *** join/#debian towo^work (~towo@unaffiliated/towo/x-4064351) |
| 07:44.48 | *** join/#debian StathisA (~StathisA@unaffiliated/stathisa) |
| 07:47.02 | *** join/#debian P1ersson (~P1ersson@wlan-eduroam-130-237-240-211.su.se) |
| 07:47.08 | *** join/#debian mthe878 (~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe) |
| 07:47.46 | *** join/#debian fatalerrors (~fatalerro@91.224.149.180) |
| 07:48.47 | *** join/#debian humbot (~o@unaffiliated/humbag) |
| 07:52.15 | *** join/#debian oo_miguel (~miguel@89-67-252-80.dynamic.chello.pl) |
| 07:52.59 | *** join/#debian makaveli7 (~makaveli7@unaffiliated/makaveli7) |
| 07:53.29 | *** join/#debian encod3 (~encod3@144.178.76.42.static.ef-service.nl) |
| 07:55.29 | *** join/#debian yassaccan (c10b0838@staff-8.56.hgo.se) |
| 07:55.53 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 07:56.25 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@120.244.238.96) |
| 07:56.25 | *** join/#debian AgTh (~b50c6@122-74-20-31.ftth.glasoperator.nl) |
| 07:57.05 | *** join/#debian han-solo (~han-solo@unaffiliated/han-solo) |
| 07:59.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1557] by debhelper |
| 08:00.28 | *** join/#debian Haudegen (~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at) |
| 08:01.53 | *** join/#debian cooldude (~cooldude1@unaffiliated/cooldude13233) |
| 08:02.55 | *** join/#debian martin__ (~martin@185.32.9.250) |
| 08:04.46 | *** join/#debian P1ersson (~P1ersson@wlan-eduroam-130-237-240-211.su.se) |
| 08:05.32 | *** join/#debian chele (~chele@2a02:8106:1:f900:faca:b8ff:fe2f:8499) |
| 08:05.53 | *** join/#debian zeSoup (~jsc@2003:5b:203b:100:616f:2be1:8c32:6b0e) |
| 08:06.11 | *** join/#debian s8548a_ (~s8548a@unaffiliated/s8548a) |
| 08:08.16 | *** join/#debian Funkin-Stoopid (~xavier@149.91.87.251) |
| 08:08.30 | *** join/#debian drzacek (~drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de) |
| 08:09.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1563] by debhelper |
| 08:09.20 | *** join/#debian Ycarus (~Ycarus@2001:bc8:47b0:1b0b::1) |
| 08:10.34 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@152.170.95.144) |
| 08:10.35 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 08:11.05 | *** join/#debian sidmo (~ident@p5B24E502.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 08:11.38 | *** join/#debian dreamon (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) |
| 08:11.46 | *** join/#debian a0z (~a0z@88-107-80-139.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 08:13.31 | *** join/#debian AquaL1te (~AquaL1te@unaffiliated/aqual1te) |
| 08:14.02 | *** join/#debian cef (~cef@unaffiliated/cef) |
| 08:14.38 | *** join/#debian toxync12- (~toxync12@223.72.44.103) |
| 08:15.27 | *** join/#debian tyranny12 (~blarg@unaffiliated/tyranny12) |
| 08:16.30 | *** join/#debian ich (~ich@ip-88-152-115-118.hsi03.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 08:17.13 | *** join/#debian strongestAvenger (~jeroen@83-85-71-216.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) |
| 08:19.22 | *** join/#debian AquaL1te (~AquaL1te@unaffiliated/aqual1te) |
| 08:20.50 | *** join/#debian maqr (~Maqr@httpcraft/hax) |
| 08:21.31 | *** join/#debian Immanuel (~Manu@dynamic-adsl-94-34-4-102.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 08:21.46 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 08:22.39 | *** join/#debian KameleoN (~kame@225.45.134.77.rev.sfr.net) |
| 08:23.57 | *** join/#debian NetTerminalGene (~NetTermin@unaffiliated/dontknow) |
| 08:24.24 | Haohmaru | maqr u so familiar |
| 08:24.55 | maqr | i dunno, i haven't been around for a while |
| 08:25.16 | Haohmaru | that's your sin |
| 08:25.24 | maqr | true |
| 08:25.33 | Haohmaru | musicdsp? |
| 08:25.39 | maqr | oh shit, yeah, probably |
| 08:25.43 | Haohmaru | >:) |
| 08:25.49 | Haohmaru | hai there |
| 08:26.03 | maqr | haha hey :) that was *long* time ago, like 10 years, i can't believe you remember my nick |
| 08:26.13 | Haohmaru | bruh |
| 08:26.18 | maqr | yours looks familiar now too though |
| 08:26.59 | Haohmaru | iz iz my job nickname |
| 08:27.02 | Haohmaru | == antto |
| 08:27.35 | maqr | well it's good to be back on irc, i'm re-linuxifying my life |
| 08:27.44 | Haohmaru | nice |
| 08:28.10 | maqr | i got sucked into corporate nonsense for too many years, now i'm trying to reclaim my soul :P |
| 08:28.26 | *** join/#debian dman3 (~User@2600:1700:bf20:3330:c2e:8122:7558:4a12) |
| 08:28.47 | maqr | Haohmaru: i gotta get to bed, but it's good to see some old names around :) |
| 08:29.12 | Haohmaru | ;] |
| 08:30.07 | dman3 | hello, will low ram cause a linux debian vm to not boot and hang on black screen? cpu is 2gb. vm has 1gb allocated. thankyou |
| 08:31.24 | Habbie | dman3, what do you mean, 'cpu is 2gb'? |
| 08:31.29 | EdFletcherT137 | dman3: low memory can cause all manner of strange behavior in linux |
| 08:31.36 | strongestAvenger | prolly 2ghz :) |
| 08:31.38 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 08:31.47 | Habbie | strongestAvenger, probably :) |
| 08:31.51 | dman3 | i mean cpu is 2gbs of ram and the vm has half allocated |
| 08:31.55 | Habbie | right |
| 08:32.00 | Habbie | 1gb should be plenty to boot for most setups |
| 08:32.48 | *** join/#debian f33d3r (~f33d3r@167.71.51.227) |
| 08:32.49 | *** join/#debian xinming (~xinming@115.219.35.206) |
| 08:32.55 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 08:33.15 | Habbie | most of my VMs are 1gb |
| 08:33.45 | dman3 | should it be enough to boot whonix or buscador linux because both hang on black screen. if not does anyone know what might cause thiss issue. |
| 08:34.06 | Habbie | oh, i thought you had a debian question |
| 08:34.23 | dman3 | buscador is debian based |
| 08:34.29 | dman3 | sorry |
| 08:34.32 | Habbie | but it's not debian |
| 08:34.44 | *** join/#debian njka (~njka@unaffiliated/njka) |
| 08:34.45 | Habbie | !based on debian |
| 08:34.45 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 08:35.07 | Habbie | it is a good idea to try to boot real debian |
| 08:35.33 | dman3 | oh ok thanks for your help |
| 08:35.35 | ratrace | 1GB of RAM is likely not the cause of boot black screen and hanging, if by "black screen" you mean kernel output _before_ xorg tries to use the gpu |
| 08:35.55 | ratrace | I mean, if you do NOT see that output, then that's not the cause |
| 08:36.18 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.74.200) |
| 08:36.40 | dman3 | i will try to boot real debian and see what happens |
| 08:36.52 | *** join/#debian xcm (~xcm@ipa210.225.tellas.gr) |
| 08:39.22 | muhaha | how to replace systemd-resolved? resolvconf+dnsmasq ? |
| 08:42.07 | ratrace | muhaha: for what exactly? dhcp/dhclient can configure resolv.conf so at minimum you don't anything for it |
| 08:42.45 | *** join/#debian karakedi (~eAC53C340@unaffiliated/orphan) |
| 08:45.29 | *** join/#debian mn3m (~mn3m@unaffiliated/mn3m) |
| 08:46.23 | *** join/#debian chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc42:5000:1991:5cb6:e378:c512) |
| 08:48.09 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@152.170.95.144) |
| 08:48.09 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 08:48.29 | *** join/#debian Theroxat (~quassel@telcomexdoor.worldcom.ch) |
| 08:48.39 | *** join/#debian marsupapu (~marsupapu@2001:999:60:59d7:5001:d98b:44f7:3) |
| 08:48.54 | *** join/#debian r01_mage (~Thunderbi@90.96.6.41) |
| 08:49.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1569] by debhelper |
| 08:49.39 | *** join/#debian lucad111 (~lucad111@linaro/lucad111) |
| 08:49.48 | *** join/#debian ranika (~ranika@203.94.95.6) |
| 08:52.04 | *** join/#debian ranika_ (~ranika@203.94.95.6) |
| 08:52.05 | ranika_ | #elasticsearch |
| 08:52.10 | ranika_ | #elasticsearch |
| 08:52.35 | ranika_ | exit |
| 08:54.16 | *** join/#debian Texou (~Texou@unaffiliated/texou) |
| 08:57.02 | *** join/#debian ranika (~ranika@203.94.95.6) |
| 08:58.10 | *** join/#debian toxync12- (~toxync12@120.244.168.42) |
| 08:58.43 | *** join/#debian wrksx (~wrksx@60.91.83.79.rev.sfr.net) |
| 08:58.50 | wrksx | Mornin |
| 08:59.14 | wrksx | Just got locked out installing the fail2ban package |
| 08:59.52 | wrksx | I forgot about that feeling |
| 08:59.56 | *** join/#debian rnat (uid73555@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ycqinbfrqtupttvm) |
| 09:00.39 | *** join/#debian black_ant (~antilope@host86-137-153-120.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) |
| 09:00.39 | *** join/#debian black_ant (~antilope@unaffiliated/black-ant/x-1505394) |
| 09:01.07 | *** join/#debian ironbutt (~LiberLive@144.49.211.130.bc.googleusercontent.com) |
| 09:01.38 | *** join/#debian stephen__ (~stephentt@14.161.16.44) |
| 09:01.38 | wrksx | Hum, connection went back up, my bad. |
| 09:02.25 | wrksx | Dunno what was happening behind the curtain, but the server would refuse ssh connections and suddently it came back. A few minutes after the install completed |
| 09:03.22 | *** join/#debian DodgeThis (~DodgeThis@246.102.90.149.rev.vodafone.pt) |
| 09:03.55 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 09:05.45 | wrksx | Logs shows I was banned from 09:56:00 to 09:59:34 |
| 09:06.33 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 09:07.58 | *** join/#debian Slashman (~Slash@cosium-fo-152-18.fib.nerim.net) |
| 09:09.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1575] by debhelper |
| 09:09.32 | *** join/#debian winy (~vince@82-64-134-124.subs.proxad.net) |
| 09:11.41 | *** join/#debian ranika_ (~ranika@203.94.95.6) |
| 09:12.18 | *** join/#debian r01_mage (~Thunderbi@90.96.6.41) |
| 09:13.00 | *** join/#debian FightingFalcon (~ff@unaffiliated/fightingfalcon) |
| 09:13.04 | *** join/#debian tarzeau (~alex@88.198.74.123) |
| 09:13.06 | *** join/#debian stoffepojken (stoffe@h-148-185.A328.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 09:16.14 | *** join/#debian njka (~njka@unaffiliated/njka) |
| 09:16.55 | *** join/#debian waf00f (~f00f@185.210.216.117) |
| 09:17.13 | waf00f | Bonjour |
| 09:18.26 | *** join/#debian diogenes_ (~diogenes_@188.208.120.60) |
| 09:20.49 | *** join/#debian P1ersson (~P1ersson@Kenta.biotech.kth.se) |
| 09:22.12 | *** join/#debian n4dir (~n4dir@i59F77C8C.versanet.de) |
| 09:22.35 | *** join/#debian gekketinus (~gekketinu@2001:1c06:17ca:7000:8d36:4583:892d:7200) |
| 09:23.21 | *** join/#debian pookiethebear (~pookie666@uk.high-availability.com) |
| 09:23.55 | *** join/#debian jfb4 (~jfb4@host86-146-176-201.range86-146.btcentralplus.com) |
| 09:23.58 | *** join/#debian rephlexie (~rephlexie@c-67-167-57-223.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 09:24.20 | *** join/#debian pringau (~pringau@gateway/tor-sasl/pringau) |
| 09:27.23 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 09:29.53 | *** join/#debian detritus (~poubelle@s176125235102.blix.com) |
| 09:30.26 | *** join/#debian jfb4 (~jfb4@host86-146-176-201.range86-146.btcentralplus.com) |
| 09:31.22 | *** join/#debian monstar (~mitya@95.215.44.97) |
| 09:31.28 | *** join/#debian fflori (~fflori@eduroam-mapped-248.ethz.ch) |
| 09:31.29 | *** join/#debian dilema (~dilema@193.146.211.2) |
| 09:31.45 | *** join/#debian bertbob (~bertbob@67-2-0-166.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 09:31.59 | *** join/#debian zareem9891019 (~Pelle`@h-95-91.A160.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 09:32.14 | *** join/#debian detritus (~poubelle@91.207.174.228) |
| 09:33.44 | *** join/#debian detritus (~poubelle@37.120.201.86) |
| 09:34.04 | *** join/#debian mandrak (~Mandrak@2804:14c:da90:5834:5c91:b4d6:72e2:ada2) |
| 09:34.43 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.74.200) |
| 09:34.54 | *** join/#debian asymptotically (~asymptoti@gateway/tor-sasl/asymptotically) |
| 09:37.33 | *** join/#debian e1z0 (~null@netlinux/founder/e1z0) |
| 09:39.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1583] by debhelper |
| 09:39.24 | *** join/#debian gagelmout (~gage@43.245.162.236) |
| 09:47.48 | *** join/#debian pacbard (~pacbard@68.237.202.35.bc.googleusercontent.com) |
| 09:50.35 | wrksx | It seems that fail2ban read past logs on it's first run and blocked my IP based on PAST repeated failed login. Does someone now about this behavior? |
| 09:50.43 | *** join/#debian traveltissues (~traveltis@167.98.27.226) |
| 09:53.24 | *** join/#debian scde (~scde@p5B267B55.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:54.06 | *** join/#debian m0u (~m0u@unaffiliated/m0u) |
| 09:54.21 | jelly | wrksx: I noticed that, it rereads the whole file on restart. But it also obeys "findtime" |
| 09:54.45 | *** join/#debian rephlexie (~rephlexie@c-67-167-57-223.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 09:54.53 | *** join/#debian YesMan (~Rubafix@221.19.26.109.rev.sfr.net) |
| 09:55.54 | wrksx | jelly: oh, so it's gonna do that on each start. Not that it's going to restart often though. |
| 09:56.48 | jelly | keeping track of file name, inode and what it parsed already is HARD |
| 09:57.21 | jelly | there I go, breaking my no sarcasm rule again |
| 09:57.53 | wrksx | jelly: I dunno about findtime, gonna check this out might be usefull if you mentionned it |
| 09:58.38 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 09:58.52 | jelly | wrksx: man 5 jail.conf |
| 09:59.16 | wrksx | jelly: ah thx |
| 09:59.22 | *** join/#debian oish (~charlie@host81-130-206-144.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 09:59.41 | *** join/#debian chalcedony (~chalcedon@unaffiliated/chalcedony) |
| 10:00.07 | *** join/#debian m92lk (~jodi@unaffiliated/m92lk) |
| 10:00.11 | *** part/#debian m92lk (~jodi@unaffiliated/m92lk) |
| 10:00.48 | *** join/#debian tyranny12 (~blarg@cpc122086-bmly10-2-0-cust783.2-3.cable.virginm.net) |
| 10:00.49 | *** join/#debian tyranny12 (~blarg@unaffiliated/tyranny12) |
| 10:00.53 | *** join/#debian a0z (~a0z@88-107-80-139.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 10:01.16 | muhaha | ratrace: I would like to add some vhost aliases... |
| 10:01.37 | muhaha | of course I can edit /etc/hosts, but its not so easy to do it programatically |
| 10:01.44 | muhaha | in idepotent way |
| 10:04.26 | jelly | muhaha: this is why we have DNS now |
| 10:04.34 | *** join/#debian aesthe (~aesthe@2a00:23c4:af0f:1c00:74b6:7c3c:d88b:544e) |
| 10:04.52 | jelly | someone figured out editing hosts files was HARD in 1987 or so |
| 10:05.05 | *** join/#debian amerigo (uid331857@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-simxkppfrfvzijtm) |
| 10:05.39 | *** join/#debian Brainium (~brainium@unaffiliated/brainium) |
| 10:06.10 | muhaha | jelly: yes, but its a poc and I dont need to setup dns for that... |
| 10:06.22 | *** join/#debian Perceval (~quassel@kwak.rezel.net) |
| 10:06.24 | *** part/#debian diogenes_ (~diogenes_@188.208.120.60) |
| 10:06.46 | jelly | it's it's a PoC you don't need to worrt about idempotency? |
| 10:06.56 | *** join/#debian Gazooo (~Gazooo@142.196.183.136) |
| 10:09.06 | *** join/#debian salerace (~salerace@unaffiliated/salerace) |
| 10:13.14 | *** join/#debian Emmanuel_Chanel (~Emmanuel_@ZN025170.ppp.dion.ne.jp) |
| 10:15.12 | muhaha | well, if something like /etc/host.d/ existis then its perfectly ok to add / remove files, but parsing /etc/hosts is little bit op |
| 10:15.19 | *** join/#debian xar- (xar-@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe24:4661) |
| 10:15.41 | *** join/#debian slon_ (~slon@ip-86-49-28-90.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 10:15.53 | *** join/#debian TomyWork (~TomyLobo@82.194.113.100) |
| 10:17.07 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@120.244.168.109) |
| 10:17.10 | *** join/#debian bryceml (bryceml@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fec6:dda1) |
| 10:17.15 | *** join/#debian Clarth (~Clarth@2a01:4f8:c2c:114e::1) |
| 10:20.03 | *** join/#debian poxifide (deathspawn@botters/deathspawn) |
| 10:23.58 | *** join/#debian aias (~aias___@unaffiliated/aias) |
| 10:25.45 | *** join/#debian monstar (~mitya@95.215.44.97) |
| 10:26.29 | *** join/#debian brondif (~alfredi@89-27-73-204.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 10:27.39 | *** join/#debian Gaaab (~Gaaab@static.187.120.69.159.clients.your-server.de) |
| 10:29.38 | *** join/#debian supercoven (~Supercove@dsl-hkibng32-54fb5e-67.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 10:29.58 | *** join/#debian l9 (~muad@unaffiliated/l9) |
| 10:33.57 | *** join/#debian azizLIGHT (~azizLIGHT@unaffiliated/azizlight) |
| 10:34.30 | *** join/#debian xcm (~xcm@ipa210.225.tellas.gr) |
| 10:38.15 | *** join/#debian mklvr (~mklvr@unaffiliated/mklvr) |
| 10:39.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1589] by debhelper |
| 10:41.26 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@120.244.238.16) |
| 10:45.45 | *** join/#debian Sabotender (~Sabotende@unaffiliated/sabotender) |
| 10:47.06 | *** join/#debian TheFuzzball (~TheFuzzba@217.138.51.254) |
| 10:47.54 | *** join/#debian jfb4_ (~jfb4@host86-146-176-201.range86-146.btcentralplus.com) |
| 10:48.28 | *** join/#debian abc8899 (~abc8899c@213.76.46.2.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl) |
| 10:56.03 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.74.200) |
| 10:56.34 | wrksx | I just made a test trying to ssh to my server, with 3 wrong passwords. It just logged 2 failed attempt in /var/log/auth.log. Is that somehow the expected behavior? |
| 10:57.11 | *** join/#debian eiren (~paul@193-116-86-156.tpgi.com.au) |
| 10:59.04 | *** join/#debian MikeDebian (~Mike@bl12-167-178.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 10:59.09 | *** join/#debian timur_davletshin (~timur_dav@unaffiliated/timur-davletshin/x-6536285) |
| 10:59.51 | *** join/#debian _aeris (~aeris@april/board/aeris) |
| 11:00.11 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@152.170.95.144) |
| 11:00.11 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 11:03.59 | *** join/#debian jeweet_ (jeweet_@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/jeweet/x-57115252) |
| 11:04.01 | *** join/#debian l9 (~muad@unaffiliated/l9) |
| 11:04.20 | *** join/#debian s8548a__ (~s8548a@unaffiliated/s8548a) |
| 11:06.07 | *** join/#debian cdown_ (~cdown@199.201.66.0) |
| 11:06.19 | *** part/#debian brondif (~alfredi@89-27-73-204.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 11:07.03 | *** join/#debian HZun (~HZun@0x3ec721e2.osd.customer.dk.telia.net) |
| 11:07.53 | *** join/#debian b00^ (~void@gateway/tor-sasl/b00/x-95797025) |
| 11:08.13 | Kyros | If i remember correctly you need to configure fail2ban for like x failed login attempts in y amount of time |
| 11:08.23 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 11:08.27 | *** join/#debian moistmoskito (~luna@c-73-89-198-100.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) |
| 11:08.50 | moistmoskito | o/ hi all ... first time installing debian |
| 11:09.07 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@120.244.111.212) |
| 11:09.19 | moistmoskito | wondering if it requires a reinstall on version updates |
| 11:09.26 | moistmoskito | im used to rolling release distros |
| 11:09.55 | Kyros | You can smoothly upgrade to minor releases such as 10.0 to 10.1 etc |
| 11:10.21 | Kyros | I'm not exactly sure about major ones. I personally just do a fresh install because it doesnt happen often |
| 11:10.59 | *** join/#debian dselect (~dselect@unaffiliated/themill/bot/dselect) |
| 11:11.13 | *** join/#debian Ericounet (~Eric@2a01:e35:2f6f:d750:a4db:7c79:4d2:d051) |
| 11:11.34 | moistmoskito | is buster recent as well? |
| 11:11.40 | moistmoskito | i should just look |
| 11:12.07 | Kyros | it's the newest stable |
| 11:12.12 | *** join/#debian Jerrynicki (~niklas@p200300F573C0FF00F1A0274E1AC34858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:12.19 | *** join/#debian uNmowed (~Kaede@213.129.50.9) |
| 11:13.31 | *** join/#debian timur_davletshin (~timur_dav@unaffiliated/timur-davletshin/x-6536285) |
| 11:14.30 | moistmoskito | by not often is it on a schedule? or just rare. i know debian is stable package release wise, so i assume it may be up to a year between releases |
| 11:15.31 | DrOwl | https://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 11:16.02 | moistmoskito | oh thank you. sry for the questions just unfamiliar with the site |
| 11:16.46 | *** join/#debian njka (~njka@unaffiliated/njka) |
| 11:16.48 | DrOwl | upgrading the release is not to dificult mostly just a matter or adding the new repos and a few iterations of apt-get update / upgrade / dist-upgrade |
| 11:16.51 | moistmoskito | so up to 5 years on a release. essentially the life of a laptop |
| 11:17.33 | *** join/#debian n_1-c_k (~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70) |
| 11:19.42 | moistmoskito | okay i switched from arch just to get away from constant updates so outside of learning apt and apt-get i shouldnt have too much trouble it seems |
| 11:23.25 | DrOwl | yes and if you dont want "automatic" major version updates you can point your sources at a specific version... |
| 11:23.38 | [sID] | :] |
| 11:24.12 | moistmoskito | looking at the tree seems even old versions get security updates to a point |
| 11:24.25 | moistmoskito | appreciate it |
| 11:24.45 | DrOwl | I tend to set up my sources like "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free" in a file "/etc/apt/sources.list.d/buster.list" |
| 11:25.28 | DrOwl | as aposed to "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free" in "/etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 11:25.51 | *** join/#debian longbow (~chskab@194.47.102.26) |
| 11:26.12 | moistmoskito | yea had to set up mirrors manually as i needed wifi firmware |
| 11:26.19 | *** join/#debian zamuro (~Samantha@218.red-2-138-43.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 11:26.20 | *** join/#debian zamuro (~Samantha@unaffiliated/zamuro) |
| 11:26.24 | moistmoskito | so i did explicitly name the version |
| 11:27.03 | *** join/#debian Dhora (~Dhora@177.82.221.66) |
| 11:31.03 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@152.170.95.144) |
| 11:31.03 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 11:31.55 | *** join/#debian eXcept (~XRule@130.204.103.242) |
| 11:33.25 | *** join/#debian grobi (~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/grobi) |
| 11:40.17 | *** join/#debian scde (~scde@p5B267B55.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:43.05 | *** join/#debian zst (~z@unaffiliated/zst) |
| 11:44.14 | *** join/#debian silverwhitefish (~hidden@47.205.52.39) |
| 11:44.37 | *** join/#debian SiAnDoG_ (~514nDoG@gateway/tor-sasl/siandog) |
| 11:45.11 | *** join/#debian AimHere (~David@92.237.236.151) |
| 11:45.32 | *** join/#debian tmann (~oor@101.175.6.218) |
| 11:47.09 | Reventlov | Hey |
| 11:47.32 | moistmoskito | o/ |
| 11:47.54 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@x4e311dee.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 11:48.23 | *** join/#debian kobain (~kobain@unaffiliated/kobain) |
| 11:48.34 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.90.21) |
| 11:50.06 | *** join/#debian _till_ (~till@unaffiliated/till/x-7804721) |
| 11:50.12 | *** join/#debian marsupapu (~marsupapu@2001:999:60:59d7:5001:d98b:44f7:3) |
| 11:51.47 | moistmoskito | is installing a boot splash simple enough in debian? was a useless nightmare in arch |
| 11:52.34 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 11:53.22 | *** join/#debian madage (~madage@gateway/tor-sasl/madage) |
| 11:54.27 | moistmoskito | hmmm seems i need to find a way to do prop nvidia kms |
| 11:55.02 | *** join/#debian s8548a_ (~s8548a@unaffiliated/s8548a) |
| 11:55.35 | *** join/#debian zeden (~user@unaffiliated/zeden) |
| 11:56.23 | *** join/#debian d3sync (~d3sync@unaffiliated/d3sync) |
| 11:56.30 | *** join/#debian eypo (~eypo@140.red-81-37-39.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 11:57.03 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.95.240) |
| 11:57.55 | *** join/#debian mortderire (~mortderir@192.198.151.44) |
| 11:58.25 | *** join/#debian hwm4rgs (~hwm4rgs@unaffiliated/hwm4rgs) |
| 11:59.04 | *** join/#debian Akuw (~ajsbox@200.27.52.34) |
| 11:59.57 | *** join/#debian Nefertiti (~Nefertiti@unaffiliated/nefertiti) |
| 12:02.06 | *** join/#debian slon (~slon@ip-86-49-28-90.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 12:03.43 | *** part/#debian benster (~ben@unaffiliated/benster) |
| 12:04.19 | moistmoskito | so update-grub does not exist.... is this something i need to install? |
| 12:04.29 | moistmoskito | pardon my ignorance on the matter |
| 12:04.29 | *** join/#debian zleap (~zleap@unaffiliated/zleap) |
| 12:05.36 | *** join/#debian dpkg (~dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg) |
| 12:05.58 | *** join/#debian alexertech (~xb@190.215.172.78) |
| 12:05.58 | *** join/#debian alexertech (~xb@unaffiliated/alexertech) |
| 12:07.07 | *** join/#debian slon_ (~slon@ip-86-49-28-90.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 12:07.26 | towo^work | moistmoskito, http://blog.alexolivan.com/nice-booting-with-non-free-debian-stretch-nvidia-drivers/ |
| 12:09.27 | *** join/#debian llucenic (~Thunderbi@217.75.78.154) |
| 12:09.27 | moistmoskito | two^work seems update-grub2 is in /usr/sbin ... can i safely run sh update-grub2 |
| 12:09.48 | towo^work | are you sure, you use deboan? |
| 12:09.51 | towo^work | *debian |
| 12:09.59 | towo^work | there is allway update-grub |
| 12:10.18 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 12:10.40 | *** join/#debian __marco (~marco@88.207.208.253) |
| 12:10.57 | moistmoskito | well wiki says since uefi i should run update-grub2 |
| 12:11.23 | towo^work | i'm using EFI since ages, never used update-grub2 |
| 12:11.24 | moistmoskito | and yes ... im on debian |
| 12:11.24 | jelly | judd: file update-grub2 |
| 12:11.30 | judd | Search for update-grub2 in buster/amd64: grub2-common: usr/sbin/update-grub2 |
| 12:11.40 | jelly | judd: file update-grub$ |
| 12:11.44 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 12:11.54 | towo^work | update-grub2 is a symlink to update-grub |
| 12:12.03 | jelly | judd: file bin/update-grub |
| 12:12.07 | judd | Search for bin/update-grub in buster/amd64: grub2-common: usr/sbin/update-grub; grub-legacy: usr/sbin/update-grub |
| 12:12.55 | moistmoskito | yea however update-grub doesnt work from command line... though it is there |
| 12:13.23 | jelly | moistmoskito: how are you becoming root? |
| 12:13.26 | towo^work | moistmoskito, you should use su - instead of su |
| 12:13.50 | moistmoskito | su instead of su? well i have been using su |
| 12:13.59 | towo^work | su - |
| 12:14.01 | jelly | specifically "su -" |
| 12:14.02 | towo^work | open your eyes |
| 12:14.04 | *** join/#debian Urchin (~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin) |
| 12:14.28 | jelly | !buster su |
| 12:14.29 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To use the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 12:16.27 | *** join/#debian timur_davletshin (~timur_dav@unaffiliated/timur-davletshin/x-6536285) |
| 12:16.41 | *** join/#debian Theroxat (~quassel@telcomexdoor.worldcom.ch) |
| 12:16.52 | moistmoskito | if i have only edited some text, and done some package install as su that isnt gonna cause instability no? |
| 12:18.55 | *** join/#debian xzcvczx (~xzcvczx@118.149.120.1) |
| 12:20.25 | *** join/#debian pefi (~pefi@78.152.193.115) |
| 12:21.01 | *** join/#debian thelounge246725 (~m1rror@109.134.206.46) |
| 12:21.07 | xzcvczx | apt info <pkg> .... "N: there is 1 additional record. Please use the '-a' switch to see it"...... apt info -a <pkg> ...."E: Command line option 'a' [from -a] is not understood in combination with the other options".... err huh wtf |
| 12:22.42 | xzcvczx | ah it only works with show not with info |
| 12:22.44 | jelly | xzcvczx: which package generates that first N: output? |
| 12:23.00 | xzcvczx | nodejs because i have added the nodesource for version 8 |
| 12:24.12 | jelly | xzcvczx: use "reportbug" to check if it's already reported, and report as a bug if not please |
| 12:25.21 | xzcvczx | reportbug |
| 12:25.26 | jelly | !reportbug |
| 12:25.26 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
| 12:25.30 | xzcvczx | ah my bad |
| 12:26.01 | *** join/#debian abc8899 (~abc8899c@213.76.46.2.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl) |
| 12:27.01 | *** join/#debian abc8899 (~abc8899c@213.76.46.2.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl) |
| 12:28.50 | *** join/#debian aidanpr (~aidanpr@205-185-113-93.las.blamefran.net) |
| 12:29.26 | *** join/#debian Theroxat_ (~quassel@telcomexdoor.worldcom.ch) |
| 12:30.10 | *** join/#debian blackmajic (~black@mail.justla.me) |
| 12:31.18 | *** join/#debian moistmoskito (~luna@2601:18b:300:4ee0:7f85:c2d4:8ce3:f5a6) |
| 12:31.54 | *** join/#debian jfb4 (~jfb4@host86-146-176-201.range86-146.btcentralplus.com) |
| 12:33.24 | moistmoskito | said n done ty all and sry for the misunderstanding about su- and su ... i switched to debian from arch cause i have cognitive decline... so know that im gonna ask silly questions or be completely confused by answers from time to time <3 |
| 12:33.54 | *** join/#debian Immanuel (~Manu@dynamic-adsl-94-34-4-102.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 12:34.13 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.95.240) |
| 12:36.49 | *** join/#debian dvs (~hibbard@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 12:37.11 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 12:37.17 | *** join/#debian drzacek (~drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de) |
| 12:38.47 | *** join/#debian TheFuzzball (~TheFuzzba@217.138.51.254) |
| 12:39.57 | xzcvczx | jelly: thanks, reportbug is pretty dang nice i must say :) |
| 12:43.10 | Haohmaru | hai therr mr xzcvczx |
| 12:43.18 | *** join/#debian CygnusX (~CygnusX@cpe-172-75-25-64.carolina.res.rr.com) |
| 12:43.53 | xzcvczx | Haohmaru: stop stalking me dagnammit |
| 12:44.09 | Haohmaru | no, u |
| 12:44.20 | *** join/#debian dacod (~dacod@201.47.74.146) |
| 12:44.34 | *** join/#debian makaveli7 (~makaveli7@unaffiliated/makaveli7) |
| 12:46.36 | *** join/#debian xinming (~xinming@115.219.35.206) |
| 12:49.24 | *** join/#debian moistmoskito (~luna@2601:18b:300:4ee0:7f85:c2d4:8ce3:f5a6) |
| 12:50.05 | *** join/#debian alonkli (~alonkli@bzq-79-176-86-161.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 12:50.39 | *** join/#debian format_c (~format_c@unaffiliated/format-c/x-8927423) |
| 12:51.11 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 12:53.36 | *** join/#debian toxync12- (~toxync12@223.72.74.200) |
| 12:53.59 | *** join/#debian benja (~benja@212.85.155.11) |
| 12:54.12 | benja | hi |
| 12:54.18 | nvz | hello |
| 12:54.55 | benja | could it be that /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Buildsystem/meson.pm is missing $this->{buildcmd} = "meson"; ? |
| 12:54.58 | *** join/#debian Marbug (~Marbug@d515361F5.access.telenet.be) |
| 12:55.51 | benja | because it is failing on me with |
| 12:55.55 | benja | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.55 | benja | Use of uninitialized value $word in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Dh_Lib.pm line 401. |
| 12:55.57 | benja | Use of uninitialized value $word in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Dh_Lib.pm line 414. |
| 12:56.00 | benja | Use of uninitialized value $ret[0] in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Dh_Lib.pm line 418. |
| 12:56.01 | *** kick/#debian [benja!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (flood) |
| 12:56.11 | *** join/#debian benja (~benja@212.85.155.11) |
| 12:56.21 | benja | sorry for the flood... |
| 12:56.38 | GenTooMan | it suggests using the paste bin in the topic |
| 12:56.46 | benja | i'll try with compat 12 and see what i got |
| 12:56.51 | benja | ah right good suggestion |
| 12:58.08 | *** join/#debian m92lk (~jodi@unaffiliated/m92lk) |
| 12:58.19 | *** join/#debian TheCreeper2 (~TheCreepe@unaffiliated/thecreeper) |
| 12:58.27 | nvz | you may also want to join OFTC thats where the official channels and more developers hang out |
| 12:58.57 | benja | ah ok |
| 12:59.05 | nvz | https://wiki.debian.org/IRC |
| 12:59.23 | benja | thanks |
| 12:59.33 | nvz | more likely to get packaging questions solved in places like #debian-mentors (OFTC) |
| 12:59.48 | *** join/#debian debian (~debian@58.116.143.150.dyn.plus.net) |
| 13:00.30 | Guest37117 | hi |
| 13:00.36 | moistmoskito | o/ |
| 13:00.51 | Guest37117 | what USB wifi adaptors work on the debian linux? |
| 13:01.42 | moistmoskito | depends if you use nonfree in sources, or are seeking a foss one |
| 13:01.52 | dvs | Guest37117, it depends what chipset it has |
| 13:02.13 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.85.109) |
| 13:02.24 | Guest37117 | thanks |
| 13:02.34 | *** join/#debian supercoven (~Supercove@dsl-hkibng32-54fb5e-67.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 13:02.48 | Guest37117 | I'm ok to use nonfree, as long as it will work |
| 13:02.55 | Guest37117 | I bought one which does not work even with nonfree firmware |
| 13:03.05 | *** join/#debian strongestAvenger (~jeroen@83-85-71-216.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) |
| 13:03.07 | Guest37117 | what should i learn about chipset? |
| 13:03.10 | moistmoskito | do you know the chipset? |
| 13:03.28 | moistmoskito | and does itshow up in lsusb |
| 13:03.29 | *** join/#debian debsan (~debsan@unaffiliated/debsan) |
| 13:03.41 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@x5d8712f5.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 13:03.46 | OerHeks | good start https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/ |
| 13:04.22 | *** join/#debian nix-7 (nix@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:891d) |
| 13:04.33 | nvz | Guest37117: how does it not work? Doesn't show iup as an interface? or scans and doesnt connect? |
| 13:04.36 | dvs | or here https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 13:05.38 | moistmoskito | pardon i meant lspci |
| 13:05.54 | nvz | lspci will tell you nothing about a usb wifi adapter |
| 13:06.33 | nvz | there are known issues with wifi and predictable interface names.. which is why I asked about the symptoms |
| 13:06.48 | Guest37117 | originally nothing happened at all when i plugged it in |
| 13:07.02 | nvz | then you loaded the firmware.. |
| 13:07.28 | nvz | says with a falsetto chinese accent "an den..." |
| 13:07.34 | Guest37117 | i installed some firmware from github using dkms and then i see access points with it, but i can't connect - when I tried to connect it just repeatedly asked for the password |
| 13:08.10 | nvz | Guest37117: edit /etc/default/grub change the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" to read GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0 |
| 13:08.16 | nvz | meh |
| 13:08.16 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.72.146) |
| 13:08.25 | nvz | hit enter prematurely withoyut the closing " |
| 13:08.29 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 13:08.37 | nvz | either way, save that file with changes, run update-grub and reboot |
| 13:08.46 | nvz | see if this resolves the issue |
| 13:09.01 | Guest37117 | ok ill try it |
| 13:09.02 | nvz | sounds like the predictable ifnames issue to me |
| 13:09.25 | nvz | you'll get scanning, and it'll try connect but it'll be forcibly deauthing right away |
| 13:09.33 | *** join/#debian Dhora (~Dhora@2804:14d:72b1:80fa:224:21ff:fefa:f01c) |
| 13:09.54 | nvz | the issue has never been run down cause the people with the experience to figure out exactly what the problem is don't have affected adapters to test |
| 13:10.13 | nvz | but I've documented at least 3 different ones affected by this so far |
| 13:10.36 | moistmoskito | nvz is this for usb adaptars specificly? |
| 13:10.53 | Guest37117 | I'll try rebooting now then, thank you - brb |
| 13:10.58 | nvz | I've only documented in usb adapters and te problem is thought to be in firmware |
| 13:11.10 | nvz | possibly due to the LENGTH of the ifname |
| 13:11.33 | nvz | but I couldnt get systemd to cooperate with even renaming the interfaces to try names of different lengths |
| 13:11.55 | nvz | someone needs to have an affected adapter and test this kinda crap out and get back to Michael about it |
| 13:13.08 | nvz | I think he'd closed the bug I had cause nobody ever followed up |
| 13:13.32 | *** join/#debian B|ack0p (~m@unaffiliated/blackop) |
| 13:13.33 | nvz | I can't find the adapter I had here that did it.. the Netgear WG111v3 w/ RTL8168B orw/e it was |
| 13:13.38 | *** join/#debian fl1p_ (~fl1p@191.162.213.101) |
| 13:13.38 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 13:13.52 | B|ack0p | hi |
| 13:13.58 | *** join/#debian tyranny12 (~blarg@cpc122086-bmly10-2-0-cust783.2-3.cable.virginm.net) |
| 13:13.59 | *** join/#debian tyranny12 (~blarg@unaffiliated/tyranny12) |
| 13:14.00 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@x5d872ac6.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 13:14.11 | *** join/#debian YesMan (~Rubafix@221.19.26.109.rev.sfr.net) |
| 13:14.25 | nvz | #933976 |
| 13:14.26 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/933976 in release.debian.org (closed, buster): «buster-pu: package nx-libs/2:3.5.99.19-3+deb10u1»; severity: normal; opened: 2019-08-05; last modified: 2019-10-06. |
| 13:14.35 | nvz | #933967 |
| 13:14.36 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/933967 in systemd (closed, moreinfo): «Predictable interface names results in forced deauth of certain usb wifi adapters»; severity: normal; opened: 2019-08-05; last modified: 2019-11-09. |
| 13:14.41 | *** join/#debian TheFuzzball (~TheFuzzba@217.138.51.254) |
| 13:14.44 | *** join/#debian itamarst (uid165457@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aauchmxmvydztrpz) |
| 13:14.58 | *** join/#debian nexgen (~nexgen@144.172.68.147) |
| 13:15.06 | *** join/#debian fflori (~fflori@eduroam-mapped-233.ethz.ch) |
| 13:15.19 | nvz | if you have an affected adapter email to 933967@bugs.debian.org and include the output of lsusb showing the id numbers of the adapter |
| 13:15.19 | *** join/#debian thePiGrepper (~nagato@190.236.207.101) |
| 13:15.34 | nvz | and if you can help test things on it that would probably help get it solved |
| 13:15.50 | nvz | for now, the workaround is to disable predictable naming |
| 13:16.25 | *** join/#debian rdf42 (~rdf42@82-64-143-175.subs.proxad.net) |
| 13:17.05 | *** join/#debian njka (~njka@unaffiliated/njka) |
| 13:19.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1597] by debhelper |
| 13:19.13 | moistmoskito | out of curiosity what is the difference in purpose of the debian irc and the freenode channel |
| 13:19.24 | petn-randall | !debian irc |
| 13:19.34 | petn-randall | pokes the bot. |
| 13:19.42 | *** join/#debian fl1p_ (~fl1p@191.162.213.101) |
| 13:19.52 | petn-randall | Oh wait, the factoid was another one. |
| 13:19.54 | petn-randall | !irc move |
| 13:19.54 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 13:19.58 | petn-randall | moistmoskito: ^^^ |
| 13:20.30 | annadane | freenode's is a bit more active and you're probably more likely to get an answer in freenode |
| 13:20.35 | moistmoskito | oh okay ...so there is nothing neccessary to watch for in there |
| 13:20.48 | *** join/#debian debian_ (~debian@58.116.143.150.dyn.plus.net) |
| 13:21.09 | debian_ | thanks i tried the grub command line change and it made my interface wlan0 but i still get the password asked repeatedly |
| 13:21.55 | petn-randall | debian_: The password for what? |
| 13:22.03 | debian_ | to connect to my router |
| 13:22.06 | dvs | WiFi I assume |
| 13:22.16 | debian_ | i also tried without password but it cannot connect still |
| 13:22.25 | debian_ | (i mean in router settings changed it to plaintext) |
| 13:22.33 | debian_ | https://www.erol.name/compile-realtek-rtl8812au8821au-usb-wifi-driver-debian-jessie/ |
| 13:22.39 | nvz | moistmoskito: this is the original channel.. we are just users helping users with general issues.. |
| 13:22.40 | debian_ | this was what i followed to get the firmware in place |
| 13:22.47 | *** join/#debian fl1p_ (~fl1p@191.162.213.101) |
| 13:22.55 | debian_ | but I think i may need to return this and buy a different wifi dongle |
| 13:23.08 | debian_ | i cant figure out what one is good for debian linux though |
| 13:23.33 | nvz | I have a cisco one here and a little generic nubby one that both work |
| 13:24.27 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@120.244.117.236) |
| 13:24.38 | nvz | and the netgear WG111v3 that had the issue with the ifnames worked fine with legacy naming |
| 13:24.49 | *** join/#debian czesmir (~stefan@ekj191.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 13:24.59 | *** join/#debian mfox (~mfox@2804:d55:12:a4d5:dd94:9ea2:2228:e308) |
| 13:25.05 | debian_ | oh i shoudl try the old one that didn't work now that I changed the grub command line |
| 13:25.19 | nvz | certainly worth a shot |
| 13:25.35 | *** join/#debian fl1p_ (~fl1p@191.162.213.101) |
| 13:25.42 | nvz | and I'd recommend documenting the lsusb id info on the BTS if its one of the affected adapters |
| 13:26.08 | nvz | email to 933967@bugs.debian.org and append the report |
| 13:27.26 | nvz | though someone who can test various length ifnames on such an adapter would be more useful than continuing to list affected adapters |
| 13:27.28 | *** join/#debian enoq (~enoq@2a02:8388:6a87:b080:649f:9456:c1b1:28e4) |
| 13:27.37 | *** join/#debian scde (~scde@p5B267B55.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:27.59 | *** join/#debian fl1p_ (~fl1p@191.162.213.101) |
| 13:28.24 | nvz | the hunch is the firmware somehow choaks on ifname length, but without being able to reprodce the issue and figure out exactly where the limitation is.. it'll never get resolved |
| 13:28.43 | nvz | personally I'd pay the few bucks to get an adapter I know does it for someone who could fix the damn thing :P |
| 13:29.40 | nvz | cause I found it annoying and it took me a long time to figure out as much as I did.. and I know its affecting a lot of people |
| 13:29.49 | *** join/#debian a0z (~a0z@88-107-80-139.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 13:30.48 | nvz | maybe when I have some spare time I can setup some kinda crowdfund to raise money to motivate someone to look into it more. |
| 13:31.01 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@x4e3094a5.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 13:31.33 | nvz | if its in proprietary firmware, most we could do is work around it more effectively I suppose |
| 13:31.40 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 13:31.49 | *** part/#debian mfox (~mfox@2804:d55:12:a4d5:dd94:9ea2:2228:e308) |
| 13:32.30 | *** join/#debian pefi (~pefi@78.152.193.115) |
| 13:34.24 | *** join/#debian kzimmermann (~Thunderbi@KD113148020047.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp) |
| 13:36.07 | *** join/#debian Hellphyre23 (~Hellphyre@2610:148:1f00:7000:2d6b:38f7:e9b:1583) |
| 13:36.22 | *** join/#debian Grldfrdom (uid391113@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hjvlwrkjimhueoos) |
| 13:40.11 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 13:40.38 | *** join/#debian nic0x819 (~nic0x819@105.30.25.43) |
| 13:41.02 | *** join/#debian x0n (~x0n@unaffiliated/x0n) |
| 13:41.19 | moistmoskito | is there anything similar to the aur in debian? |
| 13:41.25 | *** join/#debian enoq (~enoq@2a02:8388:6a87:b080:649f:9456:c1b1:28e4) |
| 13:42.10 | moistmoskito | like a community maintained repo... just noticing some things i would add if we have one |
| 13:42.29 | annadane | not really |
| 13:42.32 | annadane | however... |
| 13:42.33 | annadane | !wnpp |
| 13:42.33 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 13:44.45 | moistmoskito | well what do you know they are already on that list tyvm |
| 13:46.01 | annadane | moistmoskito, also, keep in mind there basically never will be any new software in debian stable as packages and their versions are (mostly) fixed. you have to wait for next stable or maybe the packages in question get added to backports |
| 13:46.16 | *** join/#debian f476 (~f476@88.147.174.203) |
| 13:46.19 | annadane | unless you run testing/unstable |
| 13:46.20 | *** join/#debian hilt (~hilt@2804:7f1:e00d:529c:fe55:9b46:20ca:3aeb) |
| 13:47.31 | *** join/#debian greycat (~wooledg@139.137.128.43) |
| 13:47.53 | *** join/#debian mortderire (mortderire@nat/intel/x-ffeambpkkauevtik) |
| 13:47.55 | *** join/#debian jako (~wako@200.68.140.39) |
| 13:48.09 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 13:48.21 | *** join/#debian Delta706 (~xxx@unaffiliated/delta706) |
| 13:48.23 | *** join/#debian djakov (~djakov@linaro/djakov) |
| 13:49.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1606] by debhelper |
| 13:50.17 | *** join/#debian x0n (~x0n@unaffiliated/x0n) |
| 13:50.51 | *** join/#debian alexertech (~xb@unaffiliated/alexertech) |
| 13:51.27 | moistmoskito | annadane: thnx for info... so not only are versions fairly locked outside of neccessary fixes but no new additions either if i understand correctly |
| 13:51.43 | annadane | sort of. there are exceptions |
| 13:52.00 | *** join/#debian alexertech (~xb@unaffiliated/alexertech) |
| 13:52.08 | greycat | /msg dpkg stable |
| 13:52.46 | *** join/#debian jhutchins (~jonathan@136.34.212.57) |
| 13:52.47 | moistmoskito | may i ask then, as i really dont enjoy windows at all, i have been searching for a low maitenance distro with good reputation |
| 13:52.55 | annadane | you've found it |
| 13:52.58 | moistmoskito | and seems debian will fill that void |
| 13:53.02 | Delta706 | debian is good |
| 13:53.21 | dvs | once things are set up, it's solid |
| 13:53.46 | moistmoskito | good. ive been looking for a set and forget distro.... can't do maitenance anymore |
| 13:55.02 | moistmoskito | many i have looked at either have poor support on my laptop, or require a lot of work like arch which i used for like 10 years |
| 13:56.26 | annadane | debian may have poor support for your laptop, because it doesn't include non free software like firmware by default. but you can add it |
| 13:56.56 | moistmoskito | yea thats done already |
| 13:57.11 | moistmoskito | had to hardwire to set it up but not a big deal |
| 13:57.35 | greycat | using the unofficial non-free firmware installer helps in a lot of cases |
| 13:57.37 | debian_ | sorry how do i get a netgear wg111v3 to work with debian? |
| 13:57.42 | debian_ | https://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x i found this page with google |
| 13:58.07 | moistmoskito | debian_: that page is for a realtek chip so netgear wont apply there |
| 13:58.31 | moistmoskito | unless they use realtek chips ... which was not my experience |
| 13:58.41 | debian_ | and i've installed firmware-realtek and r8168-dkms |
| 13:58.43 | nvz | the wg111v3 worked fine for me disabling predictable ifnames |
| 13:58.53 | greycat | use "lspci -nn" or "lsusb" to see what the device actually is |
| 13:59.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1600] by debhelper |
| 13:59.51 | debian_ | its working! |
| 13:59.52 | debian_ | thanks a lot |
| 14:00.24 | *** join/#debian f476_ (~f476@pppoe-88-147-185-46.san.ru) |
| 14:00.28 | *** join/#debian sobkas (~sobkas@193.106.102.81) |
| 14:00.53 | *** join/#debian TheWizard (~thewizard@host120-233-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 14:01.17 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 14:02.52 | *** join/#debian Guest98 (5bf34ce6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.243.76.230) |
| 14:02.57 | *** join/#debian strongestAvenger (~jeroen@83-85-71-216.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) |
| 14:03.07 | *** join/#debian debian (~debian@58.116.143.150.dyn.plus.net) |
| 14:03.16 | debian | yeah i am connected through wireless now, cheers again |
| 14:03.29 | dvs | what fixed it? |
| 14:03.36 | Guest56567 | the grub command line thing |
| 14:03.57 | dvs | !nvz++ |
| 14:04.28 | *** join/#debian Hellphyre23 (~Hellphyre@2610:148:1f00:7000:2d6b:38f7:e9b:1583) |
| 14:06.03 | Funkin-Stoopid | hello |
| 14:06.28 | *** join/#debian pookiethebear (~pookie666@uk.high-availability.com) |
| 14:06.48 | Funkin-Stoopid | I have a bug with the floatbar of xfreerdp and I have no idea how to fix it |
| 14:07.10 | Funkin-Stoopid | https://github.com/FreeRDP/FreeRDP/issues/4899 |
| 14:08.38 | Funkin-Stoopid | I tried the packages of each version (buster,testing/unstable) and nothing work |
| 14:09.02 | *** join/#debian CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) |
| 14:09.02 | Funkin-Stoopid | I even compiled from github |
| 14:09.08 | *** join/#debian wanqcrypt (~adilcan@94.54.24.214) |
| 14:09.10 | *** join/#debian asterismo_l (~asterismo@179.26.138.12) |
| 14:09.18 | Funkin-Stoopid | https://github.com/FreeRDP/FreeRDP/wiki/Compilation |
| 14:09.18 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 14:11.25 | *** join/#debian abc8899 (~abc8899c@213.76.46.2.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl) |
| 14:11.55 | *** join/#debian Unforgiving (unfr@gateway/shell/xshellz/x-wqrqawjlwzkhzvjy) |
| 14:11.56 | *** join/#debian Unforgiving (unfr@unaffiliated/unforgiving) |
| 14:11.56 | *** join/#debian Unforgiving (unfr@gateway/shell/xshellz/x-wqrqawjlwzkhzvjy) |
| 14:12.10 | *** join/#debian Ekchuan (~RandyMars@cpc140404-brnt3-2-0-cust60.4-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 14:12.12 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.97.96) |
| 14:12.59 | *** join/#debian patterthing (~patterson@73.96.105.114) |
| 14:13.51 | *** join/#debian s8548a_ (~s8548a@unaffiliated/s8548a) |
| 14:14.39 | *** join/#debian Haudegen (~quassel@91.114.49.10) |
| 14:14.40 | moistmoskito | qtwebengine in debian i assume would be built without proprietary codecs.... if this is so is there an alternative in nonfree ? looking online for one |
| 14:15.30 | *** join/#debian colo-work (~colo-work@78.142.138.4) |
| 14:15.47 | *** join/#debian x0n (~x0n@unaffiliated/x0n) |
| 14:16.01 | *** join/#debian FreEm1nD (~FreEm1nD@168.0.150.144) |
| 14:16.41 | *** join/#debian strongestAvenger (~jeroen@128.90.160.242) |
| 14:17.37 | *** join/#debian progart (~kamee@5.77.145.9) |
| 14:18.09 | *** join/#debian dashs (~dave@dashs.denver.co.us) |
| 14:18.58 | *** join/#debian progart (~kamee@5.77.145.9) |
| 14:19.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1608] by debhelper |
| 14:19.57 | *** join/#debian gnufr33dom (~gnufr33do@75.175.142.157) |
| 14:23.21 | *** join/#debian olegfusion (~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru) |
| 14:26.19 | *** join/#debian jaggz (~jaggz@unaffiliated/jaggz) |
| 14:26.57 | *** join/#debian fflori (~fflori@eduroam-mapped-233.ethz.ch) |
| 14:28.00 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 14:28.05 | *** join/#debian crockett (548ede60@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.84.142.222.96) |
| 14:28.25 | *** join/#debian zamuro (~Samantha@218.red-2-138-43.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 14:28.25 | *** join/#debian zamuro (~Samantha@unaffiliated/zamuro) |
| 14:29.25 | *** part/#debian gridcommand (~gridcomma@2601:86:600:4f1:9c67:8a04:fbe6:e463) |
| 14:29.27 | *** join/#debian gridcommand (~gridcomma@2601:86:600:4f1:9c67:8a04:fbe6:e463) |
| 14:29.39 | *** join/#debian x0n (~x0n@unaffiliated/x0n) |
| 14:30.39 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.97.96) |
| 14:30.46 | *** join/#debian touchiz (~touchiz@cha51-6-78-223-114-72.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 14:31.51 | *** join/#debian tostr (~tostr@unaffiliated/tostr) |
| 14:34.04 | *** join/#debian asymptotically (~asymptoti@gateway/tor-sasl/asymptotically) |
| 14:35.04 | *** join/#debian evocatus (~evocatus@24-212-136-59.cable.teksavvy.com) |
| 14:35.11 | *** join/#debian rabbitear_g2 (~rabbitear@gateway/tor-sasl/rabbitearg/x-03735317) |
| 14:36.03 | *** join/#debian donofrio (~donofrio@host-232.subnet-17.med.umich.edu) |
| 14:36.28 | *** join/#debian colo-work (~colo-work@78.142.138.4) |
| 14:37.00 | *** join/#debian s8548a (~s8548a@unaffiliated/s8548a) |
| 14:37.21 | *** join/#debian lagzilla (lagzilla@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe6e:5ed9) |
| 14:37.51 | karlpinc | moistmoskito: Why don't you look with apt (etc.)? Random advice from strangers is not the option of first resort. |
| 14:37.52 | *** join/#debian martian67 (~martian67@about/linux/regular/martian67) |
| 14:38.22 | lagzilla | I deleted my php.ini in /etc/php/7.3/cli due to a bad script. apt-get install php-cli --reinstall is creating a new one |
| 14:38.45 | lagzilla | I also tried apt purge php-cli and it still didn't work |
| 14:39.22 | *** join/#debian dvs (~hibbard@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 14:39.29 | whislock | lagzilla: php-cli is a metapackage. It essentially owns no files. |
| 14:39.31 | jaggz | icedove won't run.. its openat() calls to load files in /home/jaggz/.config/multiple/stuff/here are yielding EACCES errors |
| 14:39.38 | *** join/#debian tyranny12 (~blarg@cpc122086-bmly10-2-0-cust783.2-3.cable.virginm.net) |
| 14:39.39 | *** join/#debian tyranny12 (~blarg@unaffiliated/tyranny12) |
| 14:40.14 | jaggz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.16 | moistmoskito | karlpinc i just ran netflix through firefox in the end... not feeling like building anything from source anyway |
| 14:40.17 | *** join/#debian Ceber (~cerberus@x5d83751a.dyn.telefonica.de) |
| 14:40.38 | jaggz | openat(AT_FDCWD, "/home/jaggz/.config/pulse/cookie", O_RDONLY) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
| 14:41.04 | *** join/#debian tw (~tw@unaffiliated/tw-nym) |
| 14:41.04 | *** join/#debian x0n (~x0n@unaffiliated/x0n) |
| 14:41.13 | *** join/#debian ahi2 (~ahi2@unaffiliated/ahi2) |
| 14:41.22 | greycat | very straightforward. find out which directory has the wrong perms and fix 'em. |
| 14:41.41 | DrOwl | moistmoskito: could the repos from https://www.deb-multimedia.org help you? |
| 14:42.37 | *** join/#debian mtn (~mtn@unaffiliated/mtn) |
| 14:42.42 | *** join/#debian bwabwa (~inconnu@109.62.69.2) |
| 14:43.44 | lagzilla | whislock: Thanks! |
| 14:45.18 | *** join/#debian monstar (~mitya@95.215.44.97) |
| 14:45.24 | *** join/#debian tostr_ (~tostr@unaffiliated/tostr) |
| 14:46.03 | *** join/#debian clemens3 (~clemens@mx.eniso-partners.com) |
| 14:46.05 | *** join/#debian marcello1 (~marcello1@host131-193-dynamic.37-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 14:49.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1618] by debhelper |
| 14:49.33 | *** join/#debian TheCreeper3 (~TheCreepe@unaffiliated/thecreeper) |
| 14:50.43 | moistmoskito | DrOwl: it was just to watch netflix... didnt know linux could in firefox until now |
| 14:51.54 | *** join/#debian Xyle (~quassel@beepbeep.serverpit.com) |
| 14:53.06 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.95.165) |
| 14:53.12 | *** join/#debian TheCreeper3 (~TheCreepe@unaffiliated/thecreeper) |
| 14:53.17 | jaggz | greycat, it seems to work on directories but not on files |
| 14:53.19 | jaggz | http://paste.debian.net/1117113/ |
| 14:53.50 | *** join/#debian karlpinc (~user@meme-net.meme.com) |
| 14:53.56 | jaggz | greycat, I pointed out that my own test works, run as my user. I'm not sure yet if icedove changes the user (but that wouldn't make much sense) |
| 14:54.24 | jaggz | (my own openat() of the files failing with icedove) |
| 14:54.27 | greycat | you're not showing what command you executed, or who it was executed *as*, or what the permissions on all the directories are |
| 14:54.42 | jaggz | I type "icedove". or "thunderbird" |
| 14:55.03 | greycat | can you try "cat /home/jaggz/.config/pulse/cookie" or something? |
| 14:55.07 | jaggz | perms are rwx for my user, and some mix of nothing or rx for group and other |
| 14:55.21 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 14:55.35 | greycat | ls -ld / /home /whatever/home/points/to /home/jaggz /home/jaggz/.config ... |
| 14:55.36 | *** join/#debian crivrc (~crivrc@50.red-213-4-35.staticip.rima-tde.net) |
| 14:56.06 | jaggz | I can cat those files fine |
| 14:56.29 | greycat | OK, then my next guess is AppArmor. Find AppArmor logs. |
| 14:58.28 | *** join/#debian m0u (~m0u@unaffiliated/m0u) |
| 14:59.30 | *** join/#debian TheCreeper (~TheCreepe@unaffiliated/thecreeper) |
| 14:59.53 | *** join/#debian farmer (5b70068a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.112.6.138) |
| 14:59.55 | moistmoskito | i used to use maldet on arch.... is there a decent malware scanner common for debian users? |
| 15:00.10 | *** join/#debian ahi2 (~ahi2@unaffiliated/ahi2) |
| 15:00.13 | ratrace | jaggz: journalctl _TRANSPORT=audit | grep "AVC apparmor" | grep "/home/jaggz/.config/pulse/cookie" any results? |
| 15:02.12 | jaggz | greycat, ratrace: app armor's doing it. never heard of apparmor |
| 15:02.30 | *** join/#debian Kevlar_Noir (~lexou@73.70.197.77.rev.sfr.net) |
| 15:02.33 | ratrace | jaggz: can you pastebin the result of the above command? |
| 15:03.03 | jaggz | AVC apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="thunderbird" name="/mnt/homefs/home/jaggz/.pulse-cookie" |
| 15:03.37 | greycat | I bet it's because /home -> /mnt/homefs/home and you have not included /mnt/homefs/home/ in the AppArmor profile for this program |
| 15:03.47 | *** join/#debian alexertech (~xb@190.215.172.78) |
| 15:03.47 | *** join/#debian alexertech (~xb@unaffiliated/alexertech) |
| 15:03.48 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 15:04.07 | ratrace | jaggz: you can fix that. I don't use thunderbird so I can't look it up for you, but you can add a custom rule for the thunderbird profile in /etc/apparmor.d/local |
| 15:04.26 | jaggz | reading about it.. thanks buds |
| 15:05.15 | ratrace | jaggz: basically you need a file like /etc/apparmor.d/local/thunderbird and in it a line like owner /mnt/homefs/home/jaggz/.pulse-cookie rw |
| 15:05.25 | *** join/#debian moistmoskito (~luna@c-73-89-198-100.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) |
| 15:05.40 | ratrace | jaggz: though now that I think of it, I think you'll have much more problems as that is NOT a regular path to home dirs so other profiles will be failing as well |
| 15:06.13 | *** join/#debian rnat (uid73555@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ngeyptjzxsuthulg) |
| 15:06.23 | ratrace | jaggz: ah yeah and see if the thunderbird profile in /etc/apparmor.d/ does an #include line into local/, if it does, that's the filename you should use. if not, add one yourself |
| 15:06.49 | *** join/#debian jhutchins (~jonathan@136.34.212.57) |
| 15:06.52 | ratrace | jaggz: then run apparmor_parse -r /etc/apparmor.d/path.to.thunderbird.profile and restart your bird |
| 15:07.15 | *** join/#debian x0n (~x0n@unaffiliated/x0n) |
| 15:07.26 | jaggz | yeah the pulse-cookie files are failing as well as other .config/ stuff |
| 15:07.37 | greycat | I do wish AppArmor gave errno codes that couldn't be mistaken for actual permission problems.... |
| 15:07.56 | ratrace | jaggz: probably this won't fix anything as you're using nonstandard dirs. can't you mount your home directly under /home/ ? |
| 15:08.01 | greycat | jaggz: you probably want to allow a lot more than just the one file |
| 15:08.04 | *** join/#debian grimR_ (~js@pool-100-16-30-106.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) |
| 15:08.08 | ratrace | directly = with your username directory in it, of course |
| 15:08.13 | jaggz | the first was /home/jaggz/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini or something |
| 15:08.14 | *** join/#debian TheCreeper2 (~TheCreepe@unaffiliated/thecreeper) |
| 15:08.30 | *** join/#debian twobitsprite (~isaac@8.42.18.10) |
| 15:08.34 | greycat | probably allow the entire .config/ directory |
| 15:08.43 | ratrace | greycat: it can't. the program gets only permission denied, as the kernel has no mechanism to tell the program WHY it is denied |
| 15:09.14 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@120.244.111.123) |
| 15:09.21 | ratrace | the return code is numeric already. then again it's very simple to look up AA audit trails in those situations, like in the example above |
| 15:09.25 | greycat | ratrace: they could've used EPERM or something instead of EACCES... *shrug*. Probably some esoteric reason that I'm just not aware of. |
| 15:10.01 | ratrace | isn't EPERM specific for the DAC/unix permission model? |
| 15:10.09 | *** join/#debian jasperarcola (~JasperArc@host81-130-228-109.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 15:10.55 | ratrace | ah no, I was thinking of something else |
| 15:11.01 | greycat | EPERM is "operation not permitted" and is the general failure you get when you're not allowed to do something, and it's not specifically file system permissions that are the cause |
| 15:11.09 | greycat | like mounting a file system when you are not root, etc. |
| 15:11.51 | ratrace | main problem here is using non-standard paths with AA enabled. plain and simple. |
| 15:12.02 | jaggz | openat(AT_FDCWD, "/home/jaggz/.config/pulse", O_RDONLY|O_NOCTTY|O_NOFOLLOW|O_CLOEXEC) = 37 |
| 15:12.13 | jaggz | that works (from icedove's strace) |
| 15:12.24 | *** join/#debian fflori (~fflori@eduroam-mapped-233.ethz.ch) |
| 15:12.41 | jaggz | that's a dir. but an openat() above it fails: openat(AT_FDCWD, "/home/jaggz/.config/pulse/cookie", O_RDONLY|O_NOCTTY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 EACCES |
| 15:12.43 | ratrace | jaggz: AA resolves symlinks so check what AA sees for the path in the audit trail which, as you said above was "/mnt/homefs/home/jaggz/.pulse-cookie" |
| 15:13.15 | *** join/#debian HermannNoordung (~hermann_n@2804:15e4:a316:b400:c9a8:cf90:1adc:94b9) |
| 15:13.15 | ratrace | jaggz: so yeah, openat() fails at one side of the link, but AA resolves it and AA profiles are for RESOLVED links paths |
| 15:13.38 | *** join/#debian Buliarous (~gypsydang@unaffiliated/buliarous) |
| 15:13.55 | ratrace | in other words, /mnt/homefs/.... is the cause here. Fix that. mount directly under /home/jaggz, not /mnt/homefs/home/jaggz |
| 15:14.06 | ratrace | OR.... disable AA (which I wouldn't recommend really) |
| 15:14.55 | ratrace | oh yeah, also, AA inside namespaces will resolve paths to absolute paths on the host, in case you're using a container or some nonsense like that |
| 15:15.30 | jaggz | a mounted dir shouldn't be a problem.. perhaps just some config files that are specifically designed with /home/ being a standard? |
| 15:15.58 | ratrace | jaggz: mounted dir IS THE problem in your case here |
| 15:16.04 | *** join/#debian jubo2 (~jubz@wikipedia/jukeboksi) |
| 15:16.07 | jaggz | (What I'm saying there is that tons of other folders used by apps might be through symlinks) |
| 15:16.16 | ratrace | are you listening? AA sees /mnt/homefs/home/jaggz not /home/jaggz/ |
| 15:16.37 | jaggz | yes |
| 15:16.47 | greycat | reading the existing AppArmor profile should make things really clear |
| 15:16.52 | ratrace | so THAT is your problem if you wnat to use AA with installed profiles |
| 15:17.02 | jaggz | but what if I had /home/jaggz/.config -> /mnt/something/common_config ? |
| 15:17.14 | ratrace | AA has no concept of home dir. there's a tunable that's basically pattern matching into /home/ |
| 15:18.08 | ratrace | you _could_ alter the tunable, and assuming all profiles are using it, that'd work too (and assuming you don't have other /home/ dirs that aren't /mnt) |
| 15:18.33 | ratrace | jaggz: again, AA will resolve symlinks. it will see /mnt/something/common_config, NOT /home/jaggs/.config |
| 15:19.32 | jaggz | yeah, the icedove config is using @{HOME} all over |
| 15:19.58 | ratrace | and @{HOME} is just a pattern match into /home/, it's not a special variable that uses env $HOME or somthing |
| 15:20.14 | jaggz | ok, so I can fiddle with this, or change my mount. However, I'm not sure how to do that. Should I do a bind type of mount? |
| 15:20.37 | ratrace | jaggz: how did you set it up to begin with? |
| 15:20.40 | jaggz | (since home is a dir in that mounted fs) |
| 15:21.02 | jaggz | the root of that fs is not my home |
| 15:21.12 | ratrace | debian by default isn't using /mnt or mounting anything there, so you must have a fstab or a mount unit that does so, or your'e doing it manualy |
| 15:21.48 | greycat | they definitely turned /home into a symlink on their own... Debian doesn't do that |
| 15:21.53 | jaggz | yeah.. /dev/md2 /bigdrive ext4 defaults |
| 15:22.12 | jaggz | then /home is just a symlink to /bigdrive/home |
| 15:22.19 | ratrace | jaggz: you could try bindmount. I think that'd work as it's different from mnt namespace.... I think! |
| 15:22.21 | jaggz | really /mnt/bigdrive but I'm keeping things short :) |
| 15:23.07 | jaggz | yeah I think with bind it won't be resolving symlinks.. but I'm not sure how openat() handles the fd checks |
| 15:23.33 | ratrace | jaggz: also check /etc/apparmor.d/tunables/home.d/site.local |
| 15:23.48 | jaggz | a bit concerned about my system going down when I change this.. been running for years this way :) but I can fix it if I screw it up |
| 15:23.58 | *** join/#debian Ericounet (~Eric@2a01:e35:2f6f:d750:a4db:7c79:4d2:d051) |
| 15:23.58 | jaggz | ratrace, ooh |
| 15:24.01 | ratrace | perhaps altering the @{HOME} tunable would fix all you problem --- again assuming all profiles use it and you don't have any non-mounted dirs under /home |
| 15:25.05 | jaggz | by the way, I tried adding the literal two paths to the icedove apparmor config: /d/home/jaggz/.config/** r, |
| 15:25.13 | jaggz | (and restarting apparmor).. |
| 15:25.18 | jaggz | anyway.. I'll work on this. thanks a lot |
| 15:25.40 | ratrace | jaggz: don't change the profile. change the HOME tunable or your mount points |
| 15:25.48 | jaggz | time to rest. have to take someone to a doctor's appt today :/ |
| 15:25.59 | jaggz | ratrace, yeah, that's the most hopeful right now. thanks again. |
| 15:26.29 | *** join/#debian jako (~wako@189.145.10.1) |
| 15:26.45 | *** join/#debian n_1-c_k (~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70) |
| 15:26.54 | *** join/#debian ikus060 (~ikus060@modemcable230.98-37-24.static.videotron.ca) |
| 15:27.24 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 15:28.26 | *** join/#debian s8548a_ (~s8548a@unaffiliated/s8548a) |
| 15:29.09 | jaggz | ratrace, works :) |
| 15:29.24 | jaggz | adding /mnt/bigdrive/home as a single entry there fixes it |
| 15:30.00 | greycat | It's good that ratrace was here, because nobody else knows even a fraction of what ratrace does about apparmor. |
| 15:30.12 | jaggz | irc is hardly known by most kids nowadays. so sad. :) |
| 15:30.46 | jaggz | some 22 year old college grad's like, "ah, you code in perl? old school." |
| 15:30.49 | annadane | well it's included in debian by default now so i guess it's about time we pony up and learn it |
| 15:31.05 | jaggz | okay.. nap time! thanks a lot :) |
| 15:31.10 | greycat | I knew just enough to recognize it as a possible source of the problem. |
| 15:31.43 | jaggz | greycat, you figured it was apparmor first, or somewhat simultaneously, btw :) |
| 15:32.01 | jaggz | teamwork! |
| 15:32.10 | jaggz | & sleepwork'!' |
| 15:32.30 | jaggz | ratrace, thanks again :) |
| 15:32.56 | *** join/#debian Menzador|Work (~quassel@unaffiliated/menzador) |
| 15:33.28 | *** join/#debian TheFuzzball (~TheFuzzba@217.138.51.254) |
| 15:33.38 | *** join/#debian cdown_ (~cdown@199.201.66.0) |
| 15:34.34 | *** join/#debian thePiGrepper (~nagato@190.236.207.101) |
| 15:34.54 | *** join/#debian timur_davletshin (~timur_dav@unaffiliated/timur-davletshin/x-6536285) |
| 15:35.27 | dob1 | it's right this: cat somefile | awk -F'\s+' '{print $5'} to print the 5th column of a file where fields are separated by spaces? |
| 15:35.46 | greycat | dob1: awk '{print $5}' somefile |
| 15:36.17 | *** join/#debian austin987 (~null@2605:a601:ab37:9a00:2526:e566:9025:e74c) |
| 15:36.19 | dob1 | greycat, ok but why my regexp didn't work? |
| 15:36.41 | *** join/#debian jasperarcola (~JasperArc@host81-130-228-109.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 15:36.42 | greycat | because awk does not use PCRE-type regexes, and because it's STUPID to try to explicitly give the existing default as an override |
| 15:38.09 | dob1 | I was trying |
| 15:38.14 | *** join/#debian Ericounet_ (~Eric@2a01:e35:2f6f:d750:a4db:7c79:4d2:d051) |
| 15:39.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1610] by debhelper |
| 15:39.41 | *** join/#debian makaveli7 (~makaveli7@unaffiliated/makaveli7) |
| 15:39.56 | *** join/#debian thePiGrepper (~nagato@190.236.207.101) |
| 15:40.21 | *** join/#debian tomc0r (~tcorreman@193.124.146.82.ipv4.evonet.be) |
| 15:41.10 | *** join/#debian qqx (~qqx@pug.qqx.org) |
| 15:41.49 | greycat | From awk(1) which is also gawk(1): "In the special case that FS is a single space, fields are separated by runs of spaces and/or tabs and/or newlines." and later, "FS The input field separator, a space by default." |
| 15:42.07 | *** join/#debian ScottE (~ScottE@unaffiliated/scotte) |
| 15:42.14 | *** join/#debian brettgilio (~brettgili@2605:6000:1a0d:4579:68c0:35ed:759:e215) |
| 15:43.05 | *** join/#debian Rubin (rubin@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe70:4a45) |
| 15:43.07 | dob1 | greycat, yes the problem was the type of regexp used by awk too |
| 15:43.11 | *** join/#debian _aeris_ (~aeris@april/board/aeris) |
| 15:43.11 | *** join/#debian croddy (~cmr@mail.roddy.cc) |
| 15:43.12 | dob1 | *but |
| 15:43.13 | *** join/#debian kfvn_ (~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/kh4ydn) |
| 15:43.24 | *** join/#debian Ericounet (~Eric@2a01:e35:2f6f:d750:a4db:7c79:4d2:d051) |
| 15:43.26 | *** join/#debian rabbitear_g2 (~rabbitear@gateway/tor-sasl/rabbitearg/x-03735317) |
| 15:43.40 | *** join/#debian de-facto (~de-facto@gateway/tor-sasl/de-facto) |
| 15:43.42 | *** join/#debian asymptotically (~asymptoti@gateway/tor-sasl/asymptotically) |
| 15:43.43 | *** join/#debian ghost43 (~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer) |
| 15:43.44 | *** join/#debian madage (~madage@gateway/tor-sasl/madage) |
| 15:43.45 | *** join/#debian martian67 (~martian67@about/linux/regular/martian67) |
| 15:43.51 | *** join/#debian nucleargnat (~nucleargn@122-58-248-101-vdsl.sparkbb.co.nz) |
| 15:44.48 | *** join/#debian psilonux (~psilonux@gateway/tor-sasl/psilonux) |
| 15:45.03 | dob1 | a program use a type of regexp another program another type, It's just difficult to learn regexp :) |
| 15:45.13 | *** join/#debian hilt (~hilt@2804:7f1:e00d:529c:fe55:9b46:20ca:3aeb) |
| 15:45.28 | *** join/#debian towo` (~towo@unaffiliated/towo/x-4064351) |
| 15:45.31 | greycat | awk uses ERE (Extended Regular Expressions). ERE does not have \s \w and so on. Those are perl-isms. |
| 15:45.53 | *** join/#debian YesMan (~Rubafix@221.19.26.109.rev.sfr.net) |
| 15:46.00 | greycat | Basically, NONE of the traditional unix tools use perl-regexes. |
| 15:46.36 | *** join/#debian BazookaTooth (~bob@gateway/tor-sasl/bazookatooth) |
| 15:47.25 | dob1 | ok it's me that I am used to perl-regexp |
| 15:53.25 | *** join/#debian strass (~strass@tomenet.skepticalfamily.com) |
| 15:53.42 | *** join/#debian Jerrynicki (~niklas@p200300F573C0FF00F1A0274E1AC34858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:53.45 | *** join/#debian thePiGrepper (~nagato@190.236.207.101) |
| 16:00.18 | *** join/#debian soee (~soee@bmy174.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 16:00.51 | *** join/#debian gravelch (~gravelch@36.72.214.130) |
| 16:01.42 | *** join/#debian m0u (~m0u@unaffiliated/m0u) |
| 16:02.42 | *** join/#debian melpy (~melpy@gateway/tor-sasl/melpy) |
| 16:03.23 | *** join/#debian imouse (~root@76.red-79-158-103.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 16:04.48 | *** part/#debian imouse (~root@76.red-79-158-103.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 16:05.50 | *** join/#debian veek (~veek@unaffiliated/veek) |
| 16:06.21 | *** join/#debian diogenes_ (~diogenes_@188.208.120.29) |
| 16:06.58 | veek | what's a good disk scheduler for a slow USB stick.. firefox crashes mysystem on some web pages and i can see a lot of IO to USB.. apparently we now use deadline.. insteadof cfq which is more eual opportunities |
| 16:07.20 | veek | i tried echo cfg but no luck |
| 16:08.08 | *** join/#debian shibboleth (~shibbolet@gateway/tor-sasl/shibboleth) |
| 16:09.58 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.97.96) |
| 16:10.34 | karlpinc | veek: You're running debian off a usb stick? In any case the #debian-live channel might have usb stick experience if you don't get an answer here. |
| 16:10.59 | *** join/#debian starch (~starch@26.red-81-39-120.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 16:11.26 | veek | yep |
| 16:11.33 | veek | thanks i'll check it out |
| 16:12.42 | *** join/#debian stephentt (~stephentt@2402:800:63b6:ed6f:ee04:607e:d932:c73f) |
| 16:12.59 | veek | hmm sure that's the correct channel |
| 16:13.14 | greycat | it's on OFTC, not here |
| 16:13.17 | *** part/#debian diogenes_ (~diogenes_@188.208.120.29) |
| 16:13.26 | veek | ah ugh - thanks |
| 16:13.29 | greycat | all of the Debian channels are on OFTC except this one, and a few of the language-specific ones |
| 16:13.29 | karlpinc | I should have said. |
| 16:13.50 | veek | i should have remembered :p |
| 16:14.09 | *** join/#debian mortderire (mortderire@nat/intel/x-dfzdbifxwhxrraim) |
| 16:15.11 | *** join/#debian Jerrynicki (~niklas@p200300F573C0FF0074EB23124F449932.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:15.42 | *** join/#debian monstar (~mitya@95.215.44.97) |
| 16:16.26 | *** join/#debian pie3 (~pieee@42.106.12.201) |
| 16:16.35 | *** join/#debian oahong (~samigarus@unaffiliated/samigarus) |
| 16:16.41 | *** join/#debian pie33 (~pieee@42.106.12.201) |
| 16:16.45 | *** join/#debian toxync12- (~toxync12@223.72.97.96) |
| 16:18.01 | *** join/#debian stephentt (~stephentt@2402:800:63b6:ed6f:ee04:607e:d932:c73f) |
| 16:18.14 | *** join/#debian srbx7 (~srbz@147.253.110.108) |
| 16:18.46 | *** join/#debian stephentt (~stephentt@2402:800:63b6:ed6f:ee04:607e:d932:c73f) |
| 16:19.55 | *** join/#debian stephentt (~stephentt@2402:800:63b6:ed6f:ee04:607e:d932:c73f) |
| 16:19.57 | *** join/#debian FoRTu_ (~quassel@179.red-81-36-83.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 16:20.14 | *** join/#debian yokel (~yokel@unaffiliated/contempt) |
| 16:21.12 | *** join/#debian stephentt (~stephentt@2402:800:63b6:ed6f:ee04:607e:d932:c73f) |
| 16:21.25 | *** join/#debian HermannNoordung (~hermann_n@2804:15e4:a316:b400:2c9b:e100:fce0:eeaa) |
| 16:22.32 | *** join/#debian n4dir (~n4dir@i59F77C8C.versanet.de) |
| 16:24.17 | *** join/#debian stephentt (~stephentt@2402:800:63b6:ed6f:ee04:607e:d932:c73f) |
| 16:26.58 | *** join/#debian xormor (~xormor@unaffiliated/xormor) |
| 16:27.01 | *** join/#debian Messenger_bird (~banana@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez) |
| 16:27.25 | *** join/#debian mortderire (mortderire@nat/intel/x-qkiwpcnnthlvmrjb) |
| 16:27.37 | *** join/#debian bashquest (~bash0r@94.242.220.173) |
| 16:27.37 | *** join/#debian bashquest (~bash0r@unaffiliated/bashquest) |
| 16:28.30 | *** join/#debian Wotac (~Wotac@91-154-1-34.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 16:28.30 | *** join/#debian Wotac (~Wotac@unaffiliated/wotac) |
| 16:31.54 | *** join/#debian jhutchins_wk (~jonathan@corp.cdc.nicusa.com) |
| 16:32.37 | *** join/#debian crapulox (~crapul@103.231.91.230) |
| 16:32.38 | *** join/#debian zleap (~zleap@unaffiliated/zleap) |
| 16:35.05 | *** join/#debian Ericounet (~Eric@2a01:e35:2f6f:d750:a4db:7c79:4d2:d051) |
| 16:36.31 | *** join/#debian longbow (~longbow@90-231-2-138-no69.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 16:36.44 | *** join/#debian nuuuciano (~luuuciano@unaffiliated/luuuciano) |
| 16:37.21 | *** join/#debian Ekchuan (~RandyMars@cpc140404-brnt3-2-0-cust60.4-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 16:39.06 | *** join/#debian bliv (~bliv@unaffiliated/blivande) |
| 16:39.31 | *** join/#debian malmalmal (~malmalmal@84.78.252.79) |
| 16:39.49 | *** join/#debian kisser (null@2001:470:7b24::1) |
| 16:39.50 | *** join/#debian kisser (null@unaffiliated/kisser) |
| 16:39.58 | *** join/#debian luuuciano (~luuuciano@unaffiliated/luuuciano) |
| 16:41.12 | annadane | if i wanted to with an nvidia card track the kernel from backports what do i need to do to have it always "work", have linux-headers-amd64 installed from backports also? |
| 16:41.43 | greycat | if you're building a module with dkms, yeah, you'll need -headers to match -image |
| 16:42.47 | jelly | annadane: you need headers that match the running kernel, and also gcc that matches the compiler that compiled that kernel. |
| 16:43.33 | greycat | oh, more plot twists |
| 16:44.27 | jelly | thankfully linux-header-foo packages depend on the right linux-compiler-gcc-* metapackage |
| 16:44.47 | YesMan | Hello |
| 16:44.53 | jelly | so I could have not mentioned it at all, sorry |
| 16:45.26 | somiaj | annadane: and a nvidia driver that compiles against the kernel you have, I think the buster nvidia driver dosen't compile against the backports kernel, and last I checked there wasn't a backported nvidia driver. |
| 16:45.39 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 16:45.39 | jelly | ,v linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 |
| 16:45.39 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.116-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.74-1; bullseye/non-free: 430.50-2; sid/non-free: 430.64-1; experimental/non-free: 440.31-1 |
| 16:45.40 | judd | Package: linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 on amd64 -- stretch: 4.9.189-3; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9.189-3+deb9u1; stretch-security: 4.9.189-3+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1 |
| 16:45.43 | *** join/#debian moistmoskito (~luna@2601:18b:300:4ee0:7f85:c2d4:8ce3:f5a6) |
| 16:45.59 | annadane | yeah, screw this noise, i'm replacing my computer |
| 16:46.08 | jelly | !pal annadane |
| 16:46.08 | dpkg | points at annadane and laughs |
| 16:46.23 | annadane | i'm not your pal, friend |
| 16:46.40 | *** join/#debian Immanuel (~Manu@dynamic-adsl-94-34-4-102.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 16:46.44 | *** join/#debian ARKANOID (~DINOWILLI@138.204.25.139) |
| 16:46.51 | jelly | !friend |
| 16:46.51 | dpkg | man, /usr/share/doc/<package>/*, what else |
| 16:47.03 | jelly | hmph. |
| 16:47.15 | greycat | !factinfo friend |
| 16:47.16 | *** join/#debian BrianG61UK (~BrianG61U@2a00:23c5:6e2a:b13:4535:7229:86bc:aecd) |
| 16:47.16 | dpkg | friend -- it has been requested 47 times, last by jelly, 24s ago. |
| 16:47.25 | greycat | so ancient it's not even timestamped |
| 16:47.56 | moistmoskito | annadane: what happened/ |
| 16:48.30 | somiaj | annadane: outside of the backports kernel being newer, any reason you need it? It is often best to stick with the stable kernel if running stable. |
| 16:49.27 | annadane | meh, i guess i don't, i just thought it may fix pulse issues but it may very easily be an xy problem |
| 16:50.36 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.97.96) |
| 16:51.14 | annadane | of course new kernels also bring new problems |
| 16:51.29 | annadane | i do want a pc replacement in any case for a lot of different reasons |
| 16:52.44 | jelly | a 2014 haswell pc is a-ok for linux. theoretically you can run it without any case |
| 16:53.00 | somiaj | could try the backports kernel with nouveau and at least that will let you test the pulse issue, though if there is a sound issue, I often go back and just check out alsa. |
| 16:53.01 | *** join/#debian enko-h (~enko@unaffiliated/enko) |
| 16:53.19 | annadane | yeah... |
| 16:53.29 | jelly | somiaj: have you ever had nouveau work STABLE for more than a week of uptime, ever? |
| 16:53.51 | somiaj | I don't use nouveau, but I thought it was supose to be okay for some cards. |
| 16:54.02 | jelly | !pal somiaj |
| 16:54.02 | dpkg | points at somiaj and laughs uproariously |
| 16:54.24 | annadane | sure i could replace the components i want replaced individually: ssd, more ram, amd for both processor and gpu... but it's easier to just get a new computer |
| 16:54.30 | somiaj | out side of my gaming machine that i use the non-free drivers, the rest of my machines use intel. |
| 16:54.48 | *** join/#debian mpa (~mpa@cpc105184-live33-2-0-cust38.17-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 16:55.10 | jelly | annadane: I got the latest possible second hand PC that could still use the same RAM |
| 16:55.39 | somiaj | annadane: I have also had good luck backporting the nvidia drivers in cases where I needed newer ones in stable and they weren't in backports. |
| 16:55.47 | jelly | so went from a 2010 to a 2014 machine, replacing nvidia with a 3-monitor capable intel gpu in the process |
| 16:55.54 | *** join/#debian scde (~scde@p5B267B55.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:56.57 | *** join/#debian SolarAquarion (SolarAquar@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-feuilgvcmyyztwck) |
| 16:57.21 | *** join/#debian faw (~faw@8.39.49.133) |
| 16:59.38 | *** join/#debian thePiGrepper (~nagato@190.236.207.101) |
| 17:01.24 | *** join/#debian pc_123gbn (~pc_123gbn@45.9.249.67) |
| 17:01.30 | jhutchins_wk | I've had good luck with MicroCenter refurbs. |
| 17:01.57 | *** join/#debian crapulox (~crapul@31.170.22.19) |
| 17:01.59 | moistmoskito | annadane: desktop? |
| 17:02.00 | *** join/#debian FoRTu (~quassel@97.red-81-36-83.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 17:02.04 | *** join/#debian Space_Man (~Space_Man@87-127-156-98.static.enta.net) |
| 17:02.21 | annadane | yes desktop |
| 17:02.45 | moistmoskito | do you build your own, or buy completes |
| 17:03.26 | annadane | buy |
| 17:04.44 | moistmoskito | i was lookin at some of the predator models... not sure how they do these days with linux. but i don't pay much attention to desktops |
| 17:05.31 | *** join/#debian FoRTu_ (~quassel@159.red-81-36-82.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
| 17:06.15 | *** join/#debian tyranny12 (~blarg@cpc122086-bmly10-2-0-cust783.2-3.cable.virginm.net) |
| 17:06.15 | *** join/#debian tyranny12 (~blarg@unaffiliated/tyranny12) |
| 17:06.26 | annadane | shoppping for computer hardware is harder than it needs to be and i'm sure that's intentional |
| 17:06.33 | annadane | they want you to spend more than you need to |
| 17:06.49 | moistmoskito | yea and the hardware has changed a lot in last 10 years |
| 17:07.27 | annadane | i have... one outlet near me, physically. the rest i have to look at online |
| 17:07.47 | moistmoskito | yea i bought my last laptop offline |
| 17:07.55 | somiaj | the hard part is deciding what you want, my problem is I usually buy new, so I do a lot of trying to find the preformance/price break point |
| 17:08.10 | moistmoskito | needed one with a gpu ... but price point paid into it |
| 17:08.24 | annadane | yeah and then it's like, does Stable even run on it |
| 17:08.25 | moistmoskito | a factor* thats what i was looking for |
| 17:08.40 | moistmoskito | i guess i was lucky |
| 17:08.49 | moistmoskito | is it uncommon for stable to run on some machines? |
| 17:08.49 | somiaj | also I don't think building your own machine saves that much, often times bare bone systems that you can get prebuilt are about the same price as buying all the parts yourself. |
| 17:09.02 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1604] by debhelper |
| 17:09.20 | annadane | it's the "gentoo" of pc building. great if you know how to do all that stuff but going out of my way for it...? |
| 17:09.29 | somiaj | moistmoskito: certain hardware one should avoid, and I would say once the hardware was released within a year of the stable freeze date, it can get iffy. |
| 17:09.29 | *** join/#debian Dhora (~Dhora@2804:14d:72b1:80fa:6414:36e:c46f:f622) |
| 17:09.58 | moistmoskito | oh, guess im really lucky then... have a dell g5 5587 and no issues |
| 17:10.16 | moistmoskito | cause its barely a year old |
| 17:10.31 | somiaj | buster froze in 2019-02-12, so basically if the if the hardware is newer than say 2018 you can start to have issues on the buster kernel (a lot depends on the hardare though) |
| 17:10.32 | karlpinc | moistmoskito: Yah. "Too new" can be a problem. |
| 17:10.45 | karlpinc | moistmoskito: But buster's pretty new too. |
| 17:10.54 | somiaj | moistmoskito: just because the laptop is new doesn't mean all the hardware in it is. |
| 17:11.04 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.95.165) |
| 17:11.05 | annadane | yeah somiaj that isn't a bad benchmark |
| 17:11.23 | somiaj | its about the actual chipsets that are being used, and often times even newer laptops use a bit older chipsets |
| 17:11.29 | *** join/#debian nvz (~user@c-73-174-228-15.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 17:11.31 | moistmoskito | only thing i havent found so far is libsmbios ... cant figure out where to get that just yet, and fan is controlled by bios, though has been set before so not urgent |
| 17:11.33 | *** join/#debian Hellphyre23 (~Hellphyre@2610:148:1f00:7000:14e6:700d:fc93:1feb) |
| 17:11.35 | *** join/#debian rootha`` (~user@103.232.120.133) |
| 17:11.52 | karlpinc | wishes he had $$$, and would then by from the hardware vendors supporing FOSS. |
| 17:12.12 | moistmoskito | i actually hear system76 doesnt have the greatest build quality |
| 17:12.22 | moistmoskito | on FOSS vendor i can think of |
| 17:12.29 | karlpinc | eracks has been good. YMMV. |
| 17:12.31 | annadane | i've considered Think Penguin but i can't vouch their computers and they do ship from the US |
| 17:12.32 | somiaj | karlpinc: I have thought about that, you can get some nice machines that use an open firmware on the mobo, wifi can still be an issue. |
| 17:12.35 | annadane | (and i'm canadian) |
| 17:12.58 | annadane | the thing is nobody cares about FOSS so computer websites won't advertise "free as in freedom drivers" |
| 17:13.03 | moistmoskito | annadane: i did look that company up once... seem small so no real way to verify it |
| 17:13.10 | karlpinc | Even open firmware or no, so long as it runs and I don't have to spend time I don't have.... |
| 17:13.24 | annadane | free software foundation does have a section devoted to hardware |
| 17:13.33 | annadane | on their website |
| 17:13.55 | somiaj | I am okay with companies that support FOSS, so intel machines are often okay for me (though I prefer amd cpu, I like intel chipsets, wifi, sound, networking) |
| 17:14.15 | moistmoskito | oh... just noticing debian doesnt seem to have lm-sensors which is odd |
| 17:14.23 | somiaj | even though they are not completely open, the stuff they provide with firmware they often have okay reasons for. |
| 17:14.43 | jhutchins_wk | ,v lm_sensors |
| 17:14.44 | somiaj | ,v lm-sensors |
| 17:14.44 | judd | No package named 'lm_sensors' was found in amd64. |
| 17:14.45 | judd | Package: lm-sensors on amd64 -- jessie: 1:3.3.5-2; stretch: 1:3.4.0-4; buster: 1:3.5.0-3; bullseye: 1:3.6.0-2; sid: 1:3.6.0-2 |
| 17:14.45 | greycat | ,info lm-sensors |
| 17:14.47 | judd | Package lm-sensors (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors. Version: 1:3.5.0-3; Size: 111.6k; Installed: 402k; Homepage: https://hwmon.wiki.kernel.org/lm_sensors; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/lm-sensors |
| 17:14.53 | annadane | i'm not a foss fanatic, i just don't want nvidia and i'd rather not support intel either right now |
| 17:15.03 | moistmoskito | i meant installed by default ... its lm-sensors in repo |
| 17:15.16 | karlpinc | If I can avoid broadcomm I'm happy. |
| 17:15.23 | somiaj | annadane: they actually build and support the open drivers in the kernel for their gpu, networking, and wifi cards. I just would rather have an amd cpu. |
| 17:15.51 | jelly | karlpinc: so you avoid pies with the most common fruit |
| 17:15.58 | moistmoskito | karlpinc: luckily most gaming rigs ship with decent wifi chips |
| 17:16.18 | *** join/#debian SoulsForBelial (~SoulsForB@p200300F12BCCA500D502CCCCA37607FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:16.25 | *** join/#debian dokma (~vlatko@cpe-94-253-195-121.zg2.cable.xnet.hr) |
| 17:17.04 | *** join/#debian y0kowka (~y0kowka@mm-47-20-121-178.gomel.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by) |
| 17:17.30 | *** join/#debian dokma (~vlatko@cpe-94-253-195-121.zg2.cable.xnet.hr) |
| 17:17.44 | annadane | yeah but intel... has other problems |
| 17:17.44 | *** join/#debian njka (~njka@unaffiliated/njka) |
| 17:17.50 | annadane | much rather support amd at the moment |
| 17:18.04 | dokma | I've installed nvidia-cuda-toolkit which removed the driver I had installed. Do I now need to install another driver? |
| 17:18.05 | moistmoskito | oh my intel wifi works ... i have the killer wifi chip |
| 17:18.09 | moistmoskito | so there is that |
| 17:18.43 | dokma | Or did I get some driver with the nvidia-cuda-toolkit? |
| 17:21.44 | *** join/#debian dastier (~dastier@mm-45-34-120-178.brest.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by) |
| 17:21.48 | annadane | it... probably depends on what specifically got removed? |
| 17:23.08 | *** join/#debian moistmoskito (~luna@c-73-89-198-100.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) |
| 17:23.24 | *** join/#debian stoffepojken (stoffe@h-148-185.A328.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 17:24.20 | annadane | i guess one approach is to run aptitude why-not <thing that got removed> |
| 17:24.46 | *** join/#debian pgnd (pgnd@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/pgngw) |
| 17:24.51 | annadane | because cuda-toolkit doesn't have anything interesting in its Conflicts |
| 17:25.22 | annadane | (speaking of why i want to get rid of nvidia for good...) |
| 17:27.16 | *** join/#debian revolutionary (~revolutio@gateway/tor-sasl/revolutionary) |
| 17:30.13 | moistmoskito | annadane: amd has better linux support now... is that true in debian stable as well? |
| 17:30.22 | annadane | don't know |
| 17:30.44 | annadane | i mean answer is "it depends", like what somiaj said about when buster became frozen |
| 17:30.52 | moistmoskito | yea no longer need catalyst... its all handled by the kernel but dont recall what version that became a thing |
| 17:31.15 | revolutionary | says HI |
| 17:31.36 | moistmoskito | i dont make my sentences right, sorry but essentially the open source drivers are fully functional |
| 17:31.40 | *** join/#debian Gaaab (~Gaaab@mob-109-113-224-34.net.vodafone.it) |
| 17:31.42 | revolutionary | Hi all. How can i use this DNS service? I couldn't understand what should i write on my Linux for using this. Can someone help me? https://blahdns.com/ |
| 17:31.46 | moistmoskito | verses nvidia crippling nouvea intentionally |
| 17:32.33 | *** join/#debian stoffepojken (stoffe@h-148-185.A328.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 17:32.47 | annadane | i think the absolute newest thing nvidia came out with was like the threadripper, all the ryzen stuff should work? but i'm very much the wrong person to ask |
| 17:32.59 | annadane | s/nvidia/amd |
| 17:33.00 | moistmoskito | and stable kernel runs my ps4 controller flawlessly so i think its within a similar timeline |
| 17:33.33 | moistmoskito | let me check on that for you since you planning to buy a new machine |
| 17:33.48 | petn-randall | revolutionary: You'd have to set up some DNS service on your system that does DoH or DoT, and the put 127.0.0.1 into /etc/resolv.conf. |
| 17:34.20 | *** join/#debian zeSoup (~jsc@fw-front.credativ.com) |
| 17:35.16 | moistmoskito | annadane: may i post a link in this irc? |
| 17:35.16 | *** join/#debian flo2marsnet (~flo2marsn@63.152.94.79.rev.sfr.net) |
| 17:35.25 | moistmoskito | this is relevant to the ryzen chips |
| 17:35.26 | annadane | i'm not an operator |
| 17:35.27 | annadane | but yes |
| 17:35.33 | moistmoskito | https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6ox31y/what_is_the_state_of_ryzen_on_linux/ |
| 17:35.46 | moistmoskito | which doesnt look good at time of this post |
| 17:35.51 | annadane | "on linux" and "on debian stable" may be two different things, but thanks |
| 17:36.05 | pgnd | general apt-usage Q's appropriate in here? |
| 17:36.05 | moistmoskito | well it regarding big issues compiling |
| 17:36.10 | moistmoskito | which may or may not affect you |
| 17:36.11 | annadane | 2 years is a long time |
| 17:36.16 | annadane | pgnd, yes |
| 17:36.20 | jelly | pgnd: only if you're running actual Debian |
| 17:36.22 | *** join/#debian Gaaab (~Gaaab@static.187.120.69.159.clients.your-server.de) |
| 17:36.47 | annadane | i suppose if i absolutely had to i could run mint if something really didn't work with debian |
| 17:36.48 | pgnd | jelly: -ish, not actual. raspbian ... |
| 17:36.53 | annadane | !raspbian |
| 17:36.53 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 17:36.57 | *** join/#debian AlKaEmY_ (~AdminUser@179.176.5.8.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) |
| 17:37.05 | jelly | pgnd: they have a nice #raspbian channel and some of the people are the same |
| 17:37.14 | revolutionary | petn-randall: could you please explain to me how can i do this job? Or can you recommend a website or guide? |
| 17:37.32 | pgnd | well, it's an apt usage Q, but OK -- l8r, thx |
| 17:37.35 | *** part/#debian pgnd (pgnd@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/pgngw) |
| 17:38.20 | annadane | man, i just want a computer. why's it gotta be *work* |
| 17:38.22 | annadane | :P |
| 17:39.02 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1597] by debhelper |
| 17:39.16 | moistmoskito | well i am alreayd much happier with debian ... arch would take me a week to setup, and i get updates daily |
| 17:39.30 | moistmoskito | this is maitenance naptime |
| 17:39.48 | *** join/#debian alexertech_ (~xb@190.215.172.78) |
| 17:39.51 | moistmoskito | much less of a hobby os |
| 17:40.51 | petn-randall | revolutionary: It really boils down to what you actually want to achieve with doing this. Everything else follows from that. |
| 17:41.26 | moistmoskito | petn-randall: wondering if dnsmasq would accomplish what they desire |
| 17:41.56 | annadane | dokma, can you maybe paste some output? |
| 17:41.57 | annadane | !paste |
| 17:41.58 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 17:42.09 | annadane | !bat |
| 17:42.09 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 17:42.32 | revolutionary | petn-randall: i want to use encrypted DNS service on my Linux |
| 17:43.09 | moistmoskito | revolutionary: dnsmasq , dns-proxy << cant remember the actual name one sec |
| 17:43.43 | moistmoskito | dnscrypt-proxy |
| 17:44.20 | moistmoskito | revolutionary: though im brand new to debian and no clue how to set those up on here |
| 17:44.41 | moistmoskito | but that will accomplish what you are doing to encrypt dns requests to a specific server |
| 17:45.41 | jelly | ,v gcc-9 |
| 17:45.42 | judd | Package: gcc-9 on amd64 -- bullseye: 9.2.1-19; sid: 9.2.1-19 |
| 17:45.51 | revolutionary | moistmoskito: i want to use these https://www.privacytools.io/providers/dns/#icanndns |
| 17:46.15 | revolutionary | non-profit and hobby ones |
| 17:46.18 | moistmoskito | revolutionary: yes ... the tools you want i gave you names of... dnsmasq dnscrypt-proxy |
| 17:46.39 | *** join/#debian toxync12- (~toxync12@223.72.95.165) |
| 17:46.44 | moistmoskito | i am in no posistion on this distro, nor ability to guide you further though |
| 17:46.46 | revolutionary | If you look to that website you will see the sections for IP addresses |
| 17:46.46 | *** join/#debian Ekchuan (~RandyMars@cpc140404-brnt3-2-0-cust60.4-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 17:46.51 | revolutionary | okay |
| 17:46.53 | revolutionary | got it |
| 17:47.12 | *** join/#debian s8548a_ (~s8548a@unaffiliated/s8548a) |
| 17:47.45 | moistmoskito | revolutionary: make sure the dns server you are using updates their scripts in a timely manner... otherwise your ssl cert runs out and you have no dns |
| 17:49.09 | revolutionary | gotcha |
| 17:49.34 | *** join/#debian flo2marsnet (~flo2marsn@63.152.94.79.rev.sfr.net) |
| 17:49.42 | moistmoskito | from what i have noticed debian so far has a pretty decent wiki... so maybe a google search from here |
| 17:49.42 | *** join/#debian ov3rmind (~kvirc@unaffiliated/ov3rmind) |
| 17:49.55 | *** join/#debian ikus060 (~ikus060@modemcable230.98-37-24.static.videotron.ca) |
| 17:49.58 | *** join/#debian ChmEarl (~chmearl@unaffiliated/prymar56) |
| 17:51.26 | *** join/#debian jako_ (~wako@200.68.140.39) |
| 17:52.31 | *** join/#debian dvs (~hibbard@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 17:52.56 | jelly | moistmoskito: lots of it are HORRIBLY out of date |
| 17:53.13 | jelly | take with huge grains of salt, even if Last updated date is recent |
| 17:53.24 | moistmoskito | yea i see a lot with old codenames in the tags |
| 17:53.31 | jelly | some pages are kept. |
| 17:53.38 | jelly | well* kept |
| 17:54.08 | annadane | stick to man pages and /usr/share/doc i guess, and irc |
| 17:55.10 | moistmoskito | well i would have pointed normally to the arch wiki, however A) doubt its compatible , B) know for certain different distros put elements of those packages in different places , C) not every distro runs it with a systemd unit |
| 17:55.39 | moistmoskito | D) trying to keep my mouth shut till i learn things round here |
| 17:56.14 | *** join/#debian kycygni (~kycygni@nat2-5.finemedia.pl) |
| 17:56.47 | moistmoskito | what i do know is setting that up is a "project" |
| 17:56.58 | annadane | you'd think the debian wiki would be better, there's *less* changes to keep track of |
| 17:57.17 | annadane | we basically need a nuremberg project of cleaning up the wiki |
| 17:57.25 | *** join/#debian jako_ (~wako@200.68.140.39) |
| 17:57.31 | greycat | very few people write end user content for the Debian wiki |
| 17:57.32 | *** join/#debian chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc42:5000:1991:5cb6:e378:c512) |
| 17:57.37 | moistmoskito | yea but debian does come with a lot of sane defaults.... where as arch has amazing documentation because its a nightmare on its own |
| 17:58.07 | annadane | just don't follow anything which is "as of squeeze..." |
| 17:58.15 | *** join/#debian P1ersson (~P1ersson@h-13-204.A165.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 17:58.28 | *** join/#debian faw (~faw@63.210.208.160) |
| 17:58.51 | jelly | much of arch wiki explains or documents actual upstream software, and can be applicable on Debian as well |
| 17:58.58 | annadane | ^ |
| 17:58.59 | jelly | YMMV |
| 17:59.08 | jelly | their wiki is so good |
| 17:59.24 | annadane | but yeah sane defaults do count for a lot, like debian has |
| 18:00.00 | *** join/#debian Haudegen (~quassel@178.115.237.87.static.drei.at) |
| 18:04.26 | *** join/#debian idlemind (~quassel@2603-6000-9608-f100-550b-1c0a-13d7-e9bc.res6.spectrum.com) |
| 18:05.26 | moistmoskito | jelly yea i do know that but i have seen inconsistencies /me looks at opensuse |
| 18:06.02 | annadane | you have to pick and choose |
| 18:06.42 | moistmoskito | well it is good to hear people reference it in a positive light... i wont feel bad sharing elements of such in the future |
| 18:08.09 | moistmoskito | annadane: you game on linux then? |
| 18:08.35 | annadane | i imagine gentoo is very much more specific to gentoo |
| 18:08.37 | annadane | what with USE flags |
| 18:09.41 | *** join/#debian idlemind (~quassel@2603-6000-9608-f100-550b-1c0a-13d7-e9bc.res6.spectrum.com) |
| 18:10.33 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.95.165) |
| 18:11.20 | *** join/#debian oo_miguel (~miguel@89-67-252-80.dynamic.chello.pl) |
| 18:15.30 | *** join/#debian Kyros (~kyros@163.172.139.136) |
| 18:15.41 | *** join/#debian wanqcrypt (~adilcan@51.158.144.31) |
| 18:17.20 | *** join/#debian pc_123gbn (~pc_123gbn@45.9.249.83) |
| 18:18.44 | *** join/#debian esro (~esro@b00001.krakowskiinternet.pl) |
| 18:20.10 | *** join/#debian progart (~kamee@5.77.145.9) |
| 18:20.59 | *** join/#debian tyranny12 (~blarg@cpc122086-bmly10-2-0-cust783.2-3.cable.virginm.net) |
| 18:20.59 | *** join/#debian tyranny12 (~blarg@unaffiliated/tyranny12) |
| 18:23.08 | *** join/#debian Gaaab (~Gaaab@static.187.120.69.159.clients.your-server.de) |
| 18:23.49 | *** join/#debian platvoeten (~platvoete@178-85-122-247.dynamic.upc.nl) |
| 18:24.45 | *** join/#debian lucad111 (~lucad111@linaro/lucad111) |
| 18:26.04 | *** join/#debian guest__ (~guest@142.114.59.34) |
| 18:29.48 | *** join/#debian slon (~slon@ip-86-49-28-90.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 18:29.53 | *** join/#debian engine20191 (~engine201@190.145.222.242) |
| 18:30.58 | *** join/#debian CME (~CME@2a02:810a:8c80:3301:ba27:ebff:fe8d:4857) |
| 18:32.31 | *** join/#debian faw (~faw@63.210.208.160) |
| 18:33.24 | *** join/#debian format_c (~format_c@unaffiliated/format-c/x-8927423) |
| 18:34.37 | karlpinc | moistmoskito: The info pages are good too. But a lot of the useful info pages (tar, emacs, all the gnu stuff) are in the non-free repos due to conflics with the DFSG and the GFDL. |
| 18:34.45 | dokma | annadane: pretty difficult because my X does not work now. |
| 18:35.25 | annadane | !termbin |
| 18:35.25 | dpkg | well, termbin is you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 18:35.45 | karlpinc | moistmoskito: bugs.debian.org is also occaisionly useful. |
| 18:35.57 | *** join/#debian TheSilentLink_ (~TheSilent@unaffiliated/thesilentlink) |
| 18:36.12 | moistmoskito | ahh |
| 18:36.21 | dokma | annadane: now that the driver has been removed I get: (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 18:36.43 | dokma | annadane: which is understandable since nvidia-cuda-toolkit removed the driver that was present. |
| 18:36.46 | annadane | well i think you can temporarily re-install the driver if you wanted x as a workaround |
| 18:37.09 | *** join/#debian zerotech4 (~zerotech@BSN-182-126-150.dynamic.siol.net) |
| 18:37.11 | dokma | my problem is that I do not understand why nvidia-cuda-toolkit demanded the driver to be deinstalled |
| 18:37.19 | *** join/#debian wanqcrypt (~adilcan@51.158.144.31) |
| 18:37.23 | dokma | and what is the appropriate thing to do now |
| 18:37.40 | *** join/#debian progart (~kamee@5.77.145.9) |
| 18:37.41 | jelly | dokma: if you need X working, install back the driver that made X work? |
| 18:38.05 | *** join/#debian lastrodamo (~lastrodam@2a01:cb14:9fe:4000:6002:ad75:c4df:b148) |
| 18:38.11 | jelly | dokma: can you show the apt command and the output for that command which made the driver uninstall? |
| 18:38.13 | dokma | jelly: are you sure that won't break nvidia-cuda-tookit? |
| 18:38.29 | jelly | dokma: it probably will. What's your priority? |
| 18:38.44 | dokma | jelly: I cannot. What I remember is that nvidia-cuda-tookit depended on something like nvidia-uninstaller |
| 18:38.49 | *** join/#debian nuclearjam (~nucleargn@122-58-248-101-vdsl.sparkbb.co.nz) |
| 18:38.58 | jelly | you cannot what? |
| 18:39.05 | dokma | jelly: my priority is to understand WHY nvidia-cuda-tookit demanded the deinstallation |
| 18:39.10 | greycat | ,v nvidia-cuda-tookit |
| 18:39.11 | judd | No package named 'nvidia-cuda-tookit' was found in amd64. |
| 18:39.12 | *** join/#debian progart (~kamee@5.77.145.9) |
| 18:39.18 | dokma | cannot show the apt command |
| 18:39.22 | greycat | oh, there's a typo |
| 18:39.38 | *** join/#debian pc_123gbn_ (~pc_123gbn@89.187.165.41) |
| 18:39.40 | jelly | dokma: okay. How did you install the driver in the first place? |
| 18:39.55 | dokma | jelly: from nvidia proprietary package |
| 18:39.59 | *** join/#debian allizom (~Thunderbi@dynamic-adsl-78-12-27-23.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 18:40.13 | *** join/#debian mortderire (mortderire@nat/intel/x-vyzfomgvxammzplg) |
| 18:40.15 | jelly | dokma: did you get it from debian non-free section, or from nvidia and ran their .bin installer? |
| 18:40.46 | dokma | nvidia's bin installer |
| 18:40.57 | *** join/#debian Burek (~Burek@unaffiliated/burekzfinezt) |
| 18:41.00 | dokma | and that was removed by nvidia-cuda-toolkit |
| 18:41.18 | jelly | dokma: debian's packaging is not compatible with nvidia's installers. |
| 18:41.33 | dokma | So I suppose that whoever designed nvidia-cuda-tookit had some other driver in mind? |
| 18:41.36 | jelly | get all nvidia stuff either from Debian, or from upstream. |
| 18:41.45 | dokma | Is it nouveau if I spelled that right? |
| 18:42.01 | greycat | nouveau is the free driver, not from nvidia |
| 18:42.12 | jelly | nouveau is a different driver, we're talking about the nvidia driver right now. |
| 18:42.14 | *** join/#debian SoulsForBelial (~SoulsForB@p200300F12BCCA500D502CCCCA37607FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:42.32 | greycat | There is a Debian way to install the proprietary nvidia driver. |
| 18:42.39 | *** join/#debian wanqcrypt (~adilcan@94.54.70.163) |
| 18:42.40 | *** join/#debian lucad111 (~lucad111@linaro/lucad111) |
| 18:42.55 | dokma | Then I probably need the Debian way to install the nvidia proprietary driver. |
| 18:42.57 | dokma | What is it? |
| 18:42.59 | jelly | dokma: some Debian maintainers package the nvidia driver as well, in neat little pieces. |
| 18:43.04 | jelly | !nvidia dkms |
| 18:43.04 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d && echo -e 'Section "Device"ntIdentifier "My GPU"ntDriver "nvidia"nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Reboot to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 18:43.19 | *** join/#debian alex-helfet (~alex@cpc68330-cdif16-2-0-cust38.5-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 18:43.41 | *** join/#debian ijash (~ijash@66.96.231.241) |
| 18:43.44 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 18:43.44 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 18:43.52 | dokma | So it is nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 18:44.01 | moistmoskito | anyone here game on debian? |
| 18:44.07 | dokma | Let me try it. |
| 18:44.09 | dokma | Thanks a bunch! |
| 18:44.26 | jelly | use the exact very long command line as abot |
| 18:44.36 | jelly | as the bot said above |
| 18:44.49 | jelly | ,v nvidia-cuda-tookit |
| 18:44.50 | judd | No package named 'nvidia-cuda-tookit' was found in amd64. |
| 18:44.54 | jelly | ,v nvidia-cuda-toolkit |
| 18:44.55 | judd | Package: nvidia-cuda-toolkit on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 6.0.37-5; stretch/non-free: 8.0.44-4; stretch-backports/non-free: 9.1.85-8~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 9.2.148-7; bullseye/non-free: 10.1.105-3+b1; sid/non-free: 10.1.105-3+b1; experimental/non-free: 10.1.168-1 |
| 18:44.59 | dokma | nvidia-cuda-toolkit |
| 18:45.10 | jelly | you probably already have non-free enabled, then |
| 18:45.14 | dokma | I do |
| 18:45.53 | *** join/#debian revolutionary (~revolutio@gateway/tor-sasl/revolutionary) |
| 18:46.35 | *** join/#debian ironbutt (~LiberLive@82.142.166.82) |
| 18:47.13 | revolutionary | hi all. what should i do when connection dropped i don't want to re-connect. I mean i don't want to make second try |
| 18:47.35 | revolutionary | which command i should add to the config file? |
| 18:51.00 | *** join/#debian ijash (~ijash@66.96.231.241) |
| 18:51.02 | *** join/#debian TheSilentLink (~TheSilent@unaffiliated/thesilentlink) |
| 18:52.04 | *** join/#debian rany (~rany@gateway/tor-sasl/rany) |
| 18:52.15 | Ankman | revolutionary: wifi? |
| 18:52.43 | revolutionary | wifi? |
| 18:52.52 | revolutionary | no, openvpn |
| 18:53.10 | *** join/#debian dokma (~vlatko@cpe-94-253-195-121.zg2.cable.xnet.hr) |
| 18:53.11 | Ankman | oh. didn't scrolled up far enough |
| 18:53.15 | Ankman | no idea then |
| 18:53.29 | *** join/#debian gordonfish (~gordonfis@unaffiliated/gordonfish) |
| 18:54.14 | dokma | jelly: so I installed the mentioned package, so kernel module got built. I rebooted but I still do not have nvidia driver per log. |
| 18:54.35 | *** join/#debian towo` (~towo@unaffiliated/towo/x-4064351) |
| 18:55.42 | *** join/#debian quackgyver (uid11872@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qpwwkktsggxuuojt) |
| 18:55.46 | *** join/#debian Ekchuan (~RandyMars@cpc140404-brnt3-2-0-cust60.4-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 18:55.50 | jelly | dokma: does "modinfo nvidia-current" show anything? Did you do the whole command, including the part that creates a file under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ that picks the right driver? |
| 18:55.52 | karlpinc | revolutionary: "man openvpn" Then search for "tries". (/tries) |
| 18:55.57 | *** join/#debian revolutionary (~revolutio@gateway/tor-sasl/revolutionary) |
| 18:56.53 | *** join/#debian dokma (~vlatko@cpe-94-253-195-121.zg2.cable.xnet.hr) |
| 18:57.00 | dokma | jelly: it does |
| 18:57.12 | dokma | amonst other things it says ---> name: nvidia |
| 18:57.29 | dokma | version: 418.74 |
| 18:57.32 | *** join/#debian revolutionary (~revolutio@gateway/tor-sasl/revolutionary) |
| 18:57.48 | jelly | that means the kernel part of the driver is built and installed in the right place |
| 18:57.57 | dokma | jelly: so what is missing? |
| 18:58.07 | jelly | dokma: Did you do the whole command, including the part that creates a file under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ that picks the right driver? |
| 18:58.41 | dokma | jelly: no. I tried to reboot with my old Xorg.conf. |
| 18:58.48 | dokma | jelly: can you show that command again? |
| 18:58.56 | jelly | dpkg, nvidia dkms |
| 18:58.57 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d && echo -e 'Section "Device"ntIdentifier "My GPU"ntDriver "nvidia"nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Reboot to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 18:59.15 | *** join/#debian faw_ (~faw@63.210.208.160) |
| 18:59.24 | *** join/#debian toxync12- (~toxync12@223.72.45.144) |
| 18:59.32 | *** join/#debian cybercrypto (~morpheus@gateway/tor-sasl/cybercrypto) |
| 18:59.39 | jelly | try not to have a whole /etc/X11/xorg.conf in place at all. |
| 18:59.53 | jelly | just the tiny piece in .d/ |
| 19:00.24 | *** join/#debian mfranzwa (~user@c-73-151-56-10.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 19:00.47 | jelly | dokma: and if "lsmod" shows nouveau as loaded, that means you're missing the blacklist for that for some reason |
| 19:01.00 | *** join/#debian well_laid_lawn (~Jean-luc@c114-77-254-225.rochd21.qld.optusnet.com.au) |
| 19:01.40 | sa-ghosts | I still didn't get the debian 10.2 update |
| 19:01.52 | sa-ghosts | the repo is really out of date ... |
| 19:02.06 | *** join/#debian revolutionary (~revolutio@gateway/tor-sasl/revolutionary) |
| 19:02.13 | greycat | did you run "apt update"? |
| 19:02.23 | sa-ghosts | ... ofc |
| 19:02.35 | jelly | sa-ghosts: pick a different mirror, maybe there's one in your country |
| 19:03.16 | jelly | !mirror list |
| 19:03.16 | dpkg | The best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <httpredir.debian.org>, <debian mirror checker>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <ftpsync>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:03.17 | *** join/#debian bars0_ (~Name@c195-36.icpnet.pl) |
| 19:03.33 | sa-ghosts | yeah that's what I will do, but it's concerning that repos can don't sync at the same time |
| 19:04.34 | jelly | since the fastly CDN apparently uses anycast and same IP everywhere, it's going to be pretty damn hard to detect WHICH of their mirror copies is out of date |
| 19:05.04 | *** join/#debian revolutionary (~revolutio@gateway/tor-sasl/revolutionary) |
| 19:05.31 | jelly | greycat: context: their deb.debian.org is old; and /msg dpkg which deb.debian.org is not that helpful |
| 19:05.59 | jelly | the results appear the same from many places in the internet |
| 19:06.19 | greycat | I still use .us.debian.org because every time I've ever tried one of the global alternatives, it has been bad. |
| 19:06.21 | dokma | jelly: that command created an invalid config file for me |
| 19:06.37 | dokma | and my Xorg.conf already has Driver "nvidia" |
| 19:06.58 | greycat | the point is you should DELETE xorg.conf and only have the 2-or-so-line snippet in .d |
| 19:07.20 | dokma | jelly: I have nvidia in lsmod |
| 19:07.21 | jelly | dokma: can you get rid of (rename) the complete xorg.conf and have just that tiny piece |
| 19:07.21 | greycat | oh god, the factoid got mangled |
| 19:07.42 | greycat | the backslashes are missing |
| 19:07.43 | dokma | That code creates invalid conf for me. |
| 19:07.49 | dokma | I can reconstruct what was meant by it. |
| 19:08.15 | jelly | dokma: the file is basically just this: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1117151 |
| 19:08.37 | greycat | wonders what happened to the backslashes |
| 19:08.59 | jelly | they got slashed back? |
| 19:09.26 | jelly | dpkg, factinfo nvidia dkms |
| 19:09.26 | dpkg | nvidia dkms -- created by babilen <~babilen@babilen.user.oftc.net> at Wed Sep 5 09:13:44 2012 (2632 days); last modified at Wed Aug 28 19:33:56 2019 by greycat!~wooledg@139.137.128.43; it has been requested 722 times, last by greycat, 1m 53s ago. |
| 19:09.33 | *** part/#debian alex-helfet (~alex@cpc68330-cdif16-2-0-cust38.5-1.cable.virginm.net) |
| 19:09.41 | dokma | jelly: same result. nvidia does not exist, no drivers available |
| 19:09.49 | jelly | huh |
| 19:09.55 | jelly | dokma: which debian is this? |
| 19:09.55 | *** join/#debian shibboleth (~shibbolet@gateway/tor-sasl/shibboleth) |
| 19:10.33 | jelly | dokma: if you install and run "nvidia-detect", what does it say? |
| 19:10.35 | dokma | buster |
| 19:13.02 | jelly | sigh, apt-file doesn't work well with foreign arch |
| 19:13.33 | dokma | jelly: nvidia-driver was not installed |
| 19:13.59 | dokma | jelly: so I need both the dkms package AND the driver explicitly installed |
| 19:15.11 | dokma | jelly: now it works |
| 19:15.29 | jelly | both depend on each other AFAIR |
| 19:15.48 | jelly | ,depends nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 19:15.49 | judd | Package nvidia-kernel-dkms in buster/amd64 -- depends: dkms (>= 2.1.0.0), nvidia-kernel-support--v1,nvidia-installer-cleanup. |
| 19:16.02 | jelly | is... that a typo |
| 19:16.26 | *** join/#debian Kevlar_Noir (~lexou@73.70.197.77.rev.sfr.net) |
| 19:16.36 | jelly | Depends: dkms (>= 2.1.0.0), nvidia-kernel-support--v1 |
| 19:16.37 | jelly | Pre-Depends: nvidia-installer-cleanup |
| 19:17.18 | jelly | Recommends: nvidia-driver (>= 418.74) | libcuda1 (>= 418.74) # they probably had the latter installed |
| 19:18.04 | *** join/#debian njka (~njka@unaffiliated/njka) |
| 19:18.08 | *** join/#debian fflori (~fflori@194.230.155.102) |
| 19:18.21 | *** join/#debian thePiGrepper (~nagato@190.236.207.101) |
| 19:18.29 | *** join/#debian P1ersson (~P1ersson@h-13-204.A165.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 19:18.44 | *** join/#debian diniwed (~gavron@ool-182c80a4.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 19:19.05 | sa-ghosts | when ever I try to change repos (by using synaptics) it gives me this error "The repository 'http://XXX/debian buster/updates Release' does not have a Release file. |
| 19:20.03 | greycat | !buster/updates |
| 19:20.03 | dpkg | On Debian 10 "Buster" systems, there are two repositories that you should have in your sources.list aside from your main mirror. You should have an entry for "buster/updates" which is security updates (ask me about <security>) and also an entry for "buster-updates" which is other updated packages. See also <sources.list>. |
| 19:20.07 | *** part/#debian mpa (~mpa@cpc105184-live33-2-0-cust38.17-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 19:20.17 | greycat | buster/updates is security, not the regular stuff |
| 19:20.28 | *** join/#debian dokma (~vlatko@cpe-94-253-195-121.zg2.cable.xnet.hr) |
| 19:20.43 | dokma | jelly, annadane: everything cool now. thanks a bunch!! |
| 19:20.50 | jelly | !win dokma |
| 19:20.50 | mason | jelly: apt-file can take --architecture |
| 19:20.51 | dpkg | Congratulations, dokma! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 19:21.05 | mason | jelly: Or are you saying that's not quite cricket? |
| 19:21.11 | dokma | And I'm super glad I went the Debian way! |
| 19:21.18 | sa-ghosts | hmmm so I should just update it by using an editor like nano ? and not synaptics ? @greycat |
| 19:21.31 | greycat | !buster sources.list |
| 19:21.31 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 19:21.36 | *** join/#debian timur_davletshin (~timur_dav@unaffiliated/timur-davletshin/x-6536285) |
| 19:21.40 | moistmoskito | greycat: oh neat i set up my sources.list right |
| 19:22.02 | jelly | mason: thanks, I did not expect it to have a syntax different from apt or dpkg in that regard. |
| 19:22.11 | sa-ghosts | I know about the sources list and the location. I was asking if it can't be done by synaptic @greycat |
| 19:22.38 | greycat | I've never used synaptic in my life and I have no idea how it breaks *now* |
| 19:22.39 | karlpinc | sa-ghosts: It does not matter how update it, so long as it comes out right. (I can't say what synaptic does or does not do.) |
| 19:22.40 | jelly | sa-ghosts: volunteers in here might not be well versed in what GUI tools do |
| 19:22.42 | *** join/#debian slon (~slon@ip-86-49-28-90.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 19:22.51 | greycat | It came damn close to not being in buster at all. |
| 19:23.32 | *** join/#debian krabador (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) |
| 19:23.34 | *** join/#debian Ekchuan (~RandyMars@cpc140404-brnt3-2-0-cust60.4-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 19:23.38 | moistmoskito | pets bash cli |
| 19:24.04 | *** join/#debian jxel (673f5f26@103.63.95.38) |
| 19:24.08 | sa-ghosts | jelly, I know but I always thought of synaptic as the debian thing. |
| 19:24.20 | sa-ghosts | it's really awsome but does not work with wayland |
| 19:24.49 | EmleyMoor | I can live without synaptic and am grateful my other half never knew it |
| 19:24.59 | greycat | so apparently it has stopped creating gpg files with the wrong owner/permissions and breaking, I take it |
| 19:25.23 | *** join/#debian cdown (~cdown@89.32.122.5) |
| 19:26.17 | *** join/#debian bars0_ (~Name@c195-36.icpnet.pl) |
| 19:26.50 | *** join/#debian alloys (~quassel@41.80.167.103) |
| 19:27.25 | *** join/#debian jako (~wako@189.145.10.1) |
| 19:29.26 | *** join/#debian sinaptik (sinaptik@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/sinaptik) |
| 19:33.54 | *** join/#debian aldobarone (~aldobaron@dispo-82-250-31-215.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 19:35.57 | *** join/#debian n_1-c_k (~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70) |
| 19:36.31 | *** join/#debian drgx2x (~androirc@112.215.243.31) |
| 19:37.57 | *** join/#debian krabador (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) |
| 19:38.12 | *** part/#debian drgx2x (~androirc@112.215.243.31) |
| 19:38.39 | *** join/#debian longbow (~longbow@90-231-2-138-no69.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 19:38.52 | *** join/#debian asymptotically (~asymptoti@gateway/tor-sasl/asymptotically) |
| 19:41.06 | *** join/#debian brettgilio (~brettgili@2605:6000:1a0d:4579:68c0:35ed:759:e215) |
| 19:41.53 | *** join/#debian flexo3001 (~flexo3001@2001:16b8:c145:7400:9d89:3df0:f71d:b49a) |
| 19:43.07 | *** join/#debian olegfusion (~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru) |
| 19:45.23 | *** join/#debian TRPM8 (~TRPM8@static-185-61-87-75.amigonet.cz) |
| 19:51.17 | *** join/#debian alexertech (~xb@190.215.172.78) |
| 19:51.17 | *** join/#debian alexertech (~xb@unaffiliated/alexertech) |
| 19:51.26 | *** join/#debian jako_ (~wako@200.68.140.39) |
| 19:52.57 | *** join/#debian ikus060 (~ikus060@modemcable230.98-37-24.static.videotron.ca) |
| 19:54.16 | sa-ghosts | so I manged to make every thing okay for now, but I have a question. |
| 19:54.18 | sa-ghosts | is it okay to use a repo near me for "buster main" and "buster-updates" but still use deb.debian.org/debian-security/ for buster/updates ? |
| 19:55.00 | *** join/#debian ultamatt (6294e460@cpe-98-148-228-96.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 19:55.08 | *** join/#debian amphiprions (~amphiprio@82-64-46-151.subs.proxad.net) |
| 19:55.32 | *** join/#debian Tom-_ (tomg@64-7-156-185.border8-dynamic.dsl.sentex.ca) |
| 19:55.33 | somiaj | sa-ghosts: define near me? Yes it is okay to use any mirror you want for both buster and buster/updates |
| 19:55.36 | somiaj | !deb.debian.org |
| 19:55.37 | dpkg | deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See http://deb.debian.org/ for more details. |
| 19:55.48 | greycat | yes, you can mix-and-match different mirrors |
| 19:55.50 | somiaj | often works as a CDN to find something near you. |
| 19:56.35 | sa-ghosts | @somiaj, will deb.debian set me up with out dated repo |
| 19:56.54 | sa-ghosts | @greycat, oh thank you. |
| 19:57.12 | *** join/#debian scde (~scde@p5B267B55.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:57.26 | *** join/#debian jako_ (~wako@200.68.140.39) |
| 19:57.51 | nvz | please do not put @ in front of nicks this is irc not twitter |
| 19:57.52 | somiaj | sa-ghosts: It should only use current mirrors. |
| 19:58.14 | sa-ghosts | somiaj, will it didn't |
| 19:58.18 | somiaj | sa-ghosts: note, it does take time for updates to propagate through all mirrors. |
| 19:58.34 | greycat | They claimed that they "did not get the 10.2 update". |
| 19:58.38 | somiaj | sa-ghosts: you'll have to give more output, run apt update, then apt policy packagname of package that is out dated |
| 19:58.52 | greycat | base-files would be a good package name for this |
| 19:59.01 | sa-ghosts | somiaj, I did that it was 1 week out of date |
| 19:59.22 | *** join/#debian sdx23 (~sdx23@unaffiliated/sdx23) |
| 19:59.26 | sa-ghosts | anyways it's sorted out right now so no biggy |
| 19:59.49 | somiaj | sa-ghosts: you are welcome to use a mirror that you find more reliable. I'm unsure why the mirror you got redirected to hasn't updated. |
| 20:00.23 | sa-ghosts | somiaj, to be fare security updates where on time and 10.1 was on time |
| 20:00.34 | sa-ghosts | but 10.2 was not I waited for a week |
| 20:00.44 | sa-ghosts | and then changed the mirror |
| 20:00.55 | sa-ghosts | almost a week * |
| 20:01.16 | *** join/#debian Texou (~Texou@unaffiliated/texou) |
| 20:01.55 | *** join/#debian jxel (673f5f26@103.63.95.38) |
| 20:02.43 | somiaj | sa-ghosts: well security is a different mirror than the regular mirrors (even if using deb.debian.org), but I out side of using a different mirror, I don't know where to report the mirror being used by deb.debian.org is not being updated. |
| 20:03.23 | *** join/#debian faw (~faw@63.210.208.160) |
| 20:03.27 | *** join/#debian jako (~wako@187.247.249.35) |
| 20:04.07 | *** join/#debian Thrudr (~never@h-78-241.A328.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 20:04.08 | sa-ghosts | somiaj, jelly tried to help me find the mirror and we know it was a fastily mirror but couldn't tell whitch one |
| 20:05.02 | *** join/#debian YesMan (~Rubafix@221.19.26.109.rev.sfr.net) |
| 20:06.28 | *** join/#debian ikus060_ (~ikus060@modemcable230.98-37-24.static.videotron.ca) |
| 20:07.18 | *** join/#debian Guest7438 (055bdee6@mob-5-91-222-230.net.vodafone.it) |
| 20:07.45 | Guest7438 | Help. My root partition is full. Can I move /us/share outside the rootfs? HELP. |
| 20:08.07 | greycat | start with "apt-get clean", or truncate some old log files in /var/log |
| 20:08.24 | greycat | once the IMMEDIATE crisis is past, stop and take stock of what's where |
| 20:08.40 | somiaj | yea, leave /usr alone (unless you have lots of stuff in /usr/local). |
| 20:09.02 | *** join/#debian ikus060__ (~ikus060@modemcable230.98-37-24.static.videotron.ca) |
| 20:09.27 | *** join/#debian jako_ (~wako@200.68.140.39) |
| 20:10.06 | Guest7438 | thanks awfully. |
| 20:10.17 | nvz | if its a desktop system ~/.thumbnails and ~/.cache/thumbnails |
| 20:10.26 | nvz | might also be large |
| 20:10.40 | *** join/#debian fstd_ (~fstd@unaffiliated/fisted) |
| 20:12.04 | *** join/#debian abc8899 (~abc8899c@213.76.46.2.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl) |
| 20:12.49 | Guest7438 | ... but it would be possible to move it outside without doing any harm? |
| 20:13.04 | nvz | sure |
| 20:13.33 | nvz | you would wanna do it offline or in single |
| 20:14.11 | greycat | on my system, /usr/share is 1.1G out of 20G in / ... are you sure this is the best decision? why not move all of /usr? |
| 20:14.42 | rwp | Guest7438, Moving /usr/share out of root will _probably_ work okay. But officially Debian no longer supports having /usr outside of root. (Sigh.) |
| 20:15.06 | greycat | where does it say that? |
| 20:15.14 | nvz | @.@ |
| 20:15.23 | greycat | (also, a separate /var is reasonable, if you haven't already separated /var) |
| 20:15.27 | *** join/#debian jako (~wako@187.247.249.35) |
| 20:15.47 | rwp | There has been this huge discussion about no longer supporting a separately mounted /usr and I think that will including picking and choosing subdirectories beneath it too. |
| 20:15.48 | greycat | This is what I mean by stopping and taking stock of what's where. Come up with a plan. |
| 20:16.03 | rwp | Note that I don't like it as I think supporting a separately mounted /usr is okay. |
| 20:16.34 | rwp | Debian says that any separately mounted partitions like that need to be mounted in early boot in the initramfs stage. |
| 20:16.49 | rwp | Which I think is just kicking the can down the road. |
| 20:17.34 | rwp | Primarily /usr/lib has been the issue. But I am sure that, for example, /usr/share/zoneinfo will also be of interest. |
| 20:17.50 | *** join/#debian hunter2 (feld@feld.your.org) |
| 20:19.00 | rwp | Agreed on a separate /var as that is one I always have separate too. |
| 20:20.57 | somiaj | For size reasons I wouldn't separate out /usr or /usr/foo, just make / big enough. I think the main use of seperation is to allow for read only filesystems wherever possible. |
| 20:20.58 | rwp | On my system /usr/share is 3.0G and looking I see that texlive consumes a Gig, doc consumes 0.7Gig. So it really depends upon what is installed. |
| 20:21.15 | *** join/#debian Zart (zart@unaffiliated/zart) |
| 20:21.45 | rwp | Traditionally the main use of a separate /usr was for reasons of not enough disk space in / for it. |
| 20:22.09 | somiaj | back in floppy days, or /boot had to be in the first X bytes of the disk to boot |
| 20:22.18 | *** join/#debian krabador (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) |
| 20:22.30 | jaggz | read-only, also on ssd's removing atime (noatime) |
| 20:22.33 | *** join/#debian jako_ (~wako@200.68.140.39) |
| 20:22.34 | greycat | I concur with rwp. The main reason for space issues in a specific file system is because "this system was installed 10+ years ago". |
| 20:22.52 | jaggz | in the old days to mitigate FS destructiveness? |
| 20:23.22 | *** join/#debian seuz (seppalt2@gateway/shell/tkk.fi/x-svvioirarlyiqgjd) |
| 20:23.23 | rwp | Lots of reasons. You might be sharing the disk with winders and then can't use as much of it as you would like. |
| 20:23.24 | greycat | kernels are like 100 times bigger now than they were a decade ago |
| 20:24.12 | jaggz | somiaj, actually that still was required with /boot for a long time with linux I think? or it wasn't /boot itself, but the boot loader stuff I guess |
| 20:24.15 | nvz | microlithic kernels are the future </tenanbaum> |
| 20:24.52 | rwp | I *still* always create a separate /boot. It just makes things a bunch simpler, more reliable, and easier to deal with interesting problems later. |
| 20:25.09 | *** join/#debian bars0_ (~Name@c195-36.icpnet.pl) |
| 20:25.51 | *** join/#debian czesmir_ (~stefan@ekg168.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 20:25.52 | greycat | OK, maybe not 100 times. But on the oldest system I can easily access, linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 has Installed-Size 58580; on buster, linux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64 has ux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64 | grep Size |
| 20:26.01 | greycat | ... damned mouse |
| 20:26.04 | greycat | has Installed-Size: 262512 |
| 20:26.33 | somiaj | jaggz: that wasn't unique to linux, but the mbr partition table required bootloader info in the MBR of the disk or partition. They did away with having the kernel in the first X bytes of the disk a long time ago. |
| 20:26.44 | rwp | But I have systems that have been upgraded, and upgraded, and upgraded, like a ship of Theseus, and so it is worth while to have a structure for being able to replace everything one part at a time. |
| 20:26.49 | somiaj | jaggz: it was only the change to uefi and GPT that life got a bit easier. |
| 20:26.53 | jaggz | somiaj, nod.. I just meant in terms of timing |
| 20:27.02 | rwp | On the other hand if you are one who just does a pristine install every few weeks then it doesn't matter and all of that feels like extra work. |
| 20:27.24 | annadane | rwp, /boot, / and swap? |
| 20:27.34 | rwp | annadane, Plus /var |
| 20:28.00 | rwp | I usually use LVM pretty much everywhere too. And on mdadm RAID mostly everywhere. |
| 20:28.28 | rwp | Which means one can, for example, add a new bigger disk and pour the bits from one disk to the bigger one. All live while the system is running. |
| 20:28.57 | rwp | And then with LVM one can also expand partitions and do online resizing. All live while the system is running. |
| 20:29.07 | annadane | yeah i'd probably have a hard time splitting it into 4 bits without lvm |
| 20:29.08 | rwp | Of course it is good to reboot too. But then the reboot time is short. |
| 20:29.29 | *** join/#debian pringau (~pringau@gateway/tor-sasl/pringau) |
| 20:30.01 | rwp | For example one can use pvmove to move data from a previous partitioning scheme onto a newer one. |
| 20:30.15 | *** join/#debian n4dir (~n4dir@i59F77C8C.versanet.de) |
| 20:30.22 | *** join/#debian mfranzwa (~user@c-73-151-56-10.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 20:30.22 | rwp | Did I mention that can be done live while the system is running? :-) |
| 20:30.30 | somiaj | a lot depends on use case, for desktop users, / and /home are the two partitions I suggest |
| 20:30.31 | *** join/#debian erickp (~erickp@modemcable186.124-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 20:30.57 | somiaj | server users, or special cases require a bit more planing of the filesystem/partition structure. |
| 20:31.17 | annadane | yeah separate home is always good |
| 20:31.36 | rwp | I have always been a "it's better if the /home is local" person but these days networking is faster and even I am moving my stuff to a NAS based /home. |
| 20:32.41 | rwp | Everything is becoming an array of redundant and inexpensive devices. |
| 20:32.45 | somiaj | I just have scripts that keep /home synced across my 3 machines, so it is easy. |
| 20:33.05 | somiaj | But yea, local networks are quite fast these days |
| 20:33.31 | *** join/#debian sedrosken_ (~sedrosken@216.146.235.121) |
| 20:33.32 | *** join/#debian irl25519 (~textual@84.68.90.32) |
| 20:33.38 | annadane | unless you have a colluding ISP :P |
| 20:34.28 | mutante | it's fun when your ssh keys are stored in your home dir but the NAS is down |
| 20:34.28 | rwp | And there is the split between mobile devices like laptops, which need a local /home, and desktops which *should* IMNHO have a wired connection. |
| 20:34.57 | jhutchins_wk | I keep a local home, but everything gets saved to the fileserver. |
| 20:35.15 | rwp | If your NAS is down then the first thing you should be doing is not logging into your desktop and reading email but getting your NAS back online again! |
| 20:35.15 | jhutchins_wk | ~/Documents, etc are symlinks to mounts. |
| 20:35.15 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, jhutchins_wk |
| 20:35.27 | annadane | !nas |
| 20:35.27 | dpkg | nas is, like, a network audio system, a lot like <esound> with special features, like a module wich can hijack your /dev/dsp on clients. Network Attached Storage, see <nslu2>, <n2100>, <dns-323>. |
| 20:35.33 | Guest7438 | Can I move my /usr file from rootfs to /home and link with ln -s ? |
| 20:35.48 | rwp | NAS is Network Attached Storage. |
| 20:36.02 | rwp | SAN is a Storage Area Network. Often used in a larger NAS behind the scenes. |
| 20:36.18 | rwp | NAS could be NFS or Samba or other without really saying which. |
| 20:36.22 | mutante | rwp: how do you get your NAS back lone without a desktop ?:p |
| 20:36.26 | mutante | online |
| 20:36.34 | nvz | you can bit its not a good idea |
| 20:36.37 | somiaj | Guest7438: yes, but if you are finding you need to do this, you might want to rethink your partition scheme and alloted size. |
| 20:36.41 | *** join/#debian kw21 (~kw21@217-120-238-85.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) |
| 20:36.43 | rwp | mutante, I use my laptop to log into it. |
| 20:36.45 | mutante | i would suggest to use /etc/ssh/userkeys instead of ~ for the keys |
| 20:37.03 | somiaj | Guest7438: though as rwp mentioned there maybe issues if /home isn't mounted quick enough during the boot, services may fail. |
| 20:37.11 | mutante | rwp: ah, so now you need 2 computers though |
| 20:37.27 | *** join/#debian f33d3r (~f33d3r@167.71.51.227) |
| 20:37.35 | rwp | mutante, Also, when root logs in the home for root is always /root which is always local. Good enough to use for debug. Never log into X using root though. Cntrl-Alt-F1 |
| 20:37.37 | *** join/#debian faw (~faw@63.210.208.160) |
| 20:37.55 | rwp | mutante, Everything is becoming an array of inexpensive devices. |
| 20:38.29 | rwp | I have my new laptop, my current laptop I am using, and my old laptop. Plus several dead ones kept for parts. |
| 20:38.34 | rwp | And the same for the desktops in the house. |
| 20:38.35 | *** join/#debian srgg (~srgg@213.31.99.11) |
| 20:39.27 | *** join/#debian jako_ (~wako@200.68.140.39) |
| 20:39.31 | rwp | And in the corporate environments they use NFS home directories everywhere universially. No local desktop backups for example. So everything must be on the NAS. |
| 20:39.41 | mutante | ok. personally i dont want to have that many devices |
| 20:40.01 | *** join/#debian Zart (zart@unaffiliated/zart) |
| 20:40.14 | rwp | One single desktop with one disk and everything in one partition is fully supported. No problem. |
| 20:40.22 | rwp | It just makes upgrades more difficult. |
| 20:41.04 | rwp | And please do not forget about backup. Backup is very important. |
| 20:41.04 | somiaj | not with debian, it makes failed upgrades/reinstalling though. |
| 20:41.12 | *** join/#debian NewYorkChris (~fractal61@ool-18b88d8f.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 20:41.18 | jhutchins_wk | Shared $HOME is a no-no in PCI. |
| 20:41.43 | nvz | for awhile i had more thinkpads than disks and just popped them in a docking station to pxe boot them and ran from ram with home on network |
| 20:41.52 | mutante | right.. though if the important data is in individual user home dirs there is also another problem |
| 20:42.09 | nvz | then upgrade the tftp and just reboot the machines |
| 20:42.27 | rwp | jhutchins_wk, When working with credit cards there are specific security needs that must be addressed. |
| 20:43.21 | *** join/#debian casaca (~nut@209.222.10.61) |
| 20:43.29 | *** join/#debian magic_ninja (~sparkie1@unaffiliated/magic-ninja/x-4708782) |
| 20:43.36 | rwp | And then there are university environments where students don't have dedicated systems. Just pick one of the pool and log into it. |
| 20:44.17 | *** join/#debian YesMan (~Rubafix@221.19.26.109.rev.sfr.net) |
| 20:46.11 | *** join/#debian jako_ (~wako@2806:101e:c:1504:7d0d:1bb4:6883:40be) |
| 20:46.32 | *** join/#debian ahi2 (~ahi2@unaffiliated/ahi2) |
| 20:46.36 | *** join/#debian abc8899 (~abc8899c@213.76.46.2.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl) |
| 20:46.43 | *** join/#debian cliluw (~cliluw@unaffiliated/cliluw) |
| 20:46.44 | *** join/#debian ryouma (~user@unaffiliated/ryouma) |
| 20:46.54 | *** join/#debian soee (~soee@bmy174.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 20:48.01 | rwp | greycat, Re "where does it say that?" this is what I was referring to: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#late-mounting-usr |
| 20:48.48 | rwp | Which I guess I missed this part: "This means that for stretch all systems where /usr is a separate partition need to use an initramfs generator that will mount /usr. All initramfs generators in stretch do so." |
| 20:49.17 | somiaj | with usrmerge default again, probably more an issue |
| 20:49.19 | *** join/#debian evocatus (~evocatus@24-212-136-59.cable.teksavvy.com) |
| 20:49.32 | Guest7438 | rwp : thanks awfully |
| 20:49.35 | greycat | yeah, I can see how this is a potential future issue |
| 20:49.43 | rwp | Did that initramfs mounting happen later in the release cycle? I just remember the flames ^W discussion where /usr was no longer supported as a separate partition. |
| 20:50.45 | *** join/#debian soee_ (~soee@user-94-254-224-152.play-internet.pl) |
| 20:50.45 | rwp | Guest7438, As greycat suggested, it would be good to inventory what is using the disk space. Perhaps removing unused large packages for example. On my system texlive is very large for example. |
| 20:51.15 | greycat | already gone |
| 20:51.58 | *** join/#debian semeion (~semeion@unaffiliated/semeion) |
| 20:52.14 | *** join/#debian BlueByte (~walther@grimbart-cable.blackx.net) |
| 20:52.25 | *** part/#debian ryouma (~user@unaffiliated/ryouma) |
| 20:53.11 | *** join/#debian jnavila (~jnavila@82-64-51-39.subs.proxad.net) |
| 20:54.24 | *** join/#debian xcm (~xcm@ipa210.225.tellas.gr) |
| 20:55.32 | *** join/#debian ikus060 (~ikus060@modemcable230.98-37-24.static.videotron.ca) |
| 20:58.51 | *** join/#debian aje (~aj@59.167.161.86) |
| 21:00.04 | *** join/#debian Immanuel (~Manu@dynamic-adsl-94-34-4-102.clienti.tiscali.it) |
| 21:00.29 | *** join/#debian eddof13 (~eddof13@201.174.145.42) |
| 21:01.47 | *** join/#debian MenschZwoNull (~MenschZwo@p200300C8574D6A000103C4804CB6D2B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:02.06 | rwp | We were probably too much fire hose. Sigh. |
| 21:02.59 | *** join/#debian kw21 (~kw21@217-120-238-85.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) |
| 21:03.51 | *** join/#debian kw21 (~kw21@217-120-238-85.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) |
| 21:04.07 | *** join/#debian shibboleth (~shibbolet@gateway/tor-sasl/shibboleth) |
| 21:04.41 | *** join/#debian wilson (~wilson@unaffiliated/wilson) |
| 21:06.31 | klys | ls |
| 21:06.43 | *** join/#debian rda-mac (~rda-mac@unaffiliated/rda-mac) |
| 21:07.34 | *** join/#debian _0bitcount (~Big_Byte@90.162.105.206) |
| 21:09.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1590] by debhelper |
| 21:10.20 | *** join/#debian tekmans13 (~tekmans@2a01:e34:ed8d:6580:b9fa:cebb:8667:1ce6) |
| 21:11.59 | *** join/#debian rda_mac (~rda-mac@unaffiliated/rda-mac) |
| 21:13.40 | *** join/#debian mfranzwa (~user@c-73-151-56-10.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 21:14.46 | *** join/#debian rda-mac (~rda-mac@unaffiliated/rda-mac) |
| 21:15.25 | *** join/#debian rda-mac_ (~rda-mac@unaffiliated/rda-mac) |
| 21:15.29 | *** join/#debian Thrudr (~never@h-78-241.A328.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 21:16.21 | *** join/#debian Dhora (~Dhora@2804:14d:72b1:80fa:6414:36e:c46f:f622) |
| 21:16.43 | *** join/#debian irl25519 (~textual@84.68.90.32) |
| 21:17.19 | *** join/#debian njka (~njka@unaffiliated/njka) |
| 21:19.19 | *** join/#debian peterS (~peter@ip68-102-170-208.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 21:19.34 | *** join/#debian CaptainN (~KevinKeen@unaffiliated/captainn) |
| 21:19.49 | *** join/#debian mtn (~mtn@unaffiliated/mtn) |
| 21:20.14 | *** join/#debian ilhyeongquinn (~ident@77.234.58.170) |
| 21:21.04 | *** join/#debian kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xphwopuhhnapfsdd) |
| 21:21.33 | *** join/#debian rda-mac (~rda-mac@unaffiliated/rda-mac) |
| 21:25.59 | *** join/#debian kycygni (~kycygni@nat2-5.finemedia.pl) |
| 21:26.53 | *** join/#debian GostLy (~GostLy@cpe-24-88-236-28.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 21:27.43 | *** join/#debian AimHere (~David@92.237.236.151) |
| 21:29.10 | *** join/#debian synaps3 (~neuro@93.87.32.233) |
| 21:29.11 | *** join/#debian synaps3 (~neuro@unaffiliated/synaps3) |
| 21:32.15 | *** join/#debian jmcnaught (~jeremy@unaffiliated/jmcnaught) |
| 21:32.25 | *** join/#debian Johan_Needa (~Johan_Nee@cable-83.217.133.114.coditel.net) |
| 21:32.56 | *** join/#debian zwiep` (~zwiep@d54c3a023.access.telenet.be) |
| 21:33.38 | *** join/#debian faw (~faw@63.210.208.160) |
| 21:34.31 | *** part/#debian Johan_Needa (~Johan_Nee@cable-83.217.133.114.coditel.net) |
| 21:35.20 | *** join/#debian njka (~njka@unaffiliated/njka) |
| 21:36.53 | *** join/#debian domovoy (~domovoy@37.170.245.189) |
| 21:37.03 | domovoy | hi |
| 21:37.58 | *** join/#debian allorder (~allorder@unaffiliated/allorder) |
| 21:39.20 | domovoy | i need to do something 'scp -r user@host:/some/directory local/directory' but i want to download only a limited number of files (i just need some to test some functionality locally, i don't want _all_ of them) any idea how i could do that? |
| 21:42.02 | *** join/#debian rda_mac (~rda-mac@unaffiliated/rda-mac) |
| 21:42.43 | somiaj | domovoy: pick some directory that only has a limited number of files, but the -r flag will recrusivally go through all files |
| 21:43.29 | somiaj | domovoy: you could just hit ctrl-C after a bit and break the copy if your test works. |
| 21:43.29 | *** join/#debian xcynth (~xcynth@67.143.193.51) |
| 21:44.44 | *** part/#debian mfranzwa (~user@c-73-151-56-10.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 21:44.45 | domovoy | somiaj> that's what i do, but there are quite a number of dirs, my laziness made me think "can't i 'script' that?" |
| 21:45.23 | *** join/#debian ARKANOID (~DINOWILLI@138.204.25.139) |
| 21:45.47 | domovoy | scp &; sleep; kill? |
| 21:46.00 | *** join/#debian bbt (~sam@unaffiliated/bbt) |
| 21:46.00 | *** join/#debian mdx0 (~mdx0101@p578aa90f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:46.26 | Ankman | domovoy: do the desired files have a common file extension? |
| 21:47.13 | domovoy | Ankman> no |
| 21:47.30 | Ankman | any pattern in their file names? |
| 21:47.38 | Ankman | common pattern |
| 21:47.55 | *** join/#debian pacbard (~pacbard@68.237.202.35.bc.googleusercontent.com) |
| 21:48.00 | somiaj | domovoy: the -r will recusrivally go through everythig, you could do something like scp user@host:/some/directory/{file1,file2,file3,file4} local/dir |
| 21:48.01 | *** join/#debian rda-mac (~rda-mac@unaffiliated/rda-mac) |
| 21:48.06 | somiaj | then it will only copy the files you list |
| 21:48.53 | vlt | domovoy: What about rsync and --include=...? |
| 21:49.02 | domovoy | somiaj> but then i need to manually check for those names anyway... goodbye my laziness ^^ |
| 21:49.24 | domovoy | vlt> interesting, i'll take a look at man rsync, thanks |
| 21:50.27 | somiaj | domovoy: that is why Ankman was saying if you had some pattern, you could do glob matching foo*bar |
| 21:50.53 | *** join/#debian tme520_ (~tme520@49.255.128.6) |
| 21:51.24 | domovoy | ho yeah right, that's pattern matching... i don't care what is downloaded, i just want to limit how much |
| 21:52.07 | *** join/#debian evilroots (~roots@bnc.janky.solutions) |
| 21:53.22 | *** join/#debian mfranzwa (~user@c-73-151-56-10.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 21:53.28 | *** join/#debian AlKaEmY (~AdminUser@177.206.232.213.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) |
| 21:54.05 | *** join/#debian czesmir (~stefan@ekg168.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 21:55.20 | *** join/#debian benutzer01 (~some@2001:a61:35a9:1c01:d9c:7be5:495a:3a24) |
| 21:55.26 | *** join/#debian fax (~quassel@unaffiliated/fax) |
| 22:00.34 | domovoy | i'll have to try, but wouldn't 'scp&; sleep; kill' work? |
| 22:01.20 | *** join/#debian pipeep (~pipeep@2605:6400:10:a15d:ca7:ea75:b12d:dead) |
| 22:01.36 | *** join/#debian faw (~faw@63.210.208.160) |
| 22:02.17 | *** join/#debian dvs (~hibbard@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 22:04.21 | *** join/#debian mortderire (mortderire@nat/intel/x-zgjpryplkjlhdcnw) |
| 22:04.23 | *** join/#debian Miles9of9 (~miles@93-34-146-123.ip50.fastwebnet.it) |
| 22:04.56 | *** join/#debian cdown (~cdown@89.32.122.5) |
| 22:04.57 | *** join/#debian Grefoley3 (~Grefoley@lfbn-ren-1-357-57.w2-10.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:05.39 | *** join/#debian pringao (~pringau@gateway/tor-sasl/pringau) |
| 22:06.34 | *** join/#debian asymptotically (~asymptoti@gateway/tor-sasl/asymptotically) |
| 22:06.34 | *** join/#debian shibboleth (~shibbolet@gateway/tor-sasl/shibboleth) |
| 22:07.11 | *** join/#debian zareem9891019 (~Pelle`@h-95-91.A160.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 22:08.48 | *** join/#debian pvoigt (~Linux@unaffiliated/pvoigt) |
| 22:09.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1580] by debhelper |
| 22:11.33 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.84.218) |
| 22:11.47 | *** join/#debian synaps3 (~neuro@unaffiliated/synaps3) |
| 22:13.04 | *** join/#debian melpy (~melpy@gateway/tor-sasl/melpy) |
| 22:14.00 | *** join/#debian BazookaTooth (~bob@gateway/tor-sasl/bazookatooth) |
| 22:14.05 | *** join/#debian fax (~quassel@unaffiliated/fax) |
| 22:15.21 | *** join/#debian tme520_ (~tme520@49.255.128.6) |
| 22:15.24 | *** join/#debian TheCreeper2 (~TheCreepe@unaffiliated/thecreeper) |
| 22:16.15 | *** join/#debian cybercrypto (~morpheus@gateway/tor-sasl/cybercrypto) |
| 22:16.45 | *** join/#debian tostr (~tostr@unaffiliated/tostr) |
| 22:19.44 | *** join/#debian Akuw (~ajsbox@201.189.100.199) |
| 22:22.06 | *** join/#debian greatgatsby (~greatgats@104.160.203.83) |
| 22:22.07 | *** join/#debian toxync12- (~toxync12@223.72.45.144) |
| 22:22.13 | *** join/#debian YesMan (~Rubafix@221.19.26.109.rev.sfr.net) |
| 22:27.28 | *** join/#debian jfb4_ (~jfb4@host86-146-176-201.range86-146.btcentralplus.com) |
| 22:33.56 | *** join/#debian jhutchins_wk (~jonathan@136.34.212.57) |
| 22:34.03 | *** join/#debian krabador (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) |
| 22:35.02 | *** join/#debian krabador (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) |
| 22:35.35 | *** join/#debian zlabor_ (~zlabor@p200300DF4F2A5100992B54554A41699F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:36.12 | *** join/#debian Grefoley3 (~Grefoley@lfbn-ren-1-357-57.w2-10.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:36.39 | *** join/#debian frgo (~frgo@p5DEC43DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:38.43 | *** join/#debian endstille (~endstille@2a00:6020:1dfd:1400:3479:b943:1ace:b030) |
| 22:39.42 | *** join/#debian Ozzyboshi23 (~Ozzyboshi@ip-49-176.sn1.clouditalia.com) |
| 22:40.37 | *** join/#debian ikus060 (~ikus060@modemcable230.98-37-24.static.videotron.ca) |
| 22:40.55 | *** join/#debian emOne (~emOne@5.146.199.119) |
| 22:40.55 | *** join/#debian emOne (~emOne@unaffiliated/emone) |
| 22:42.49 | *** join/#debian faw_ (~faw@63.210.208.160) |
| 22:43.37 | CrystalMath | so there's another general resolution regarding init |
| 22:46.37 | *** join/#debian mn3m (~mn3m@unaffiliated/mn3m) |
| 22:46.43 | *** join/#debian luuuciano (~luuuciano@unaffiliated/luuuciano) |
| 22:48.32 | *** join/#debian srbx7 (~srbz@147.253.110.108) |
| 22:48.39 | *** join/#debian xcm (~xcm@ipa210.225.tellas.gr) |
| 22:49.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1572] by debhelper |
| 22:50.14 | *** part/#debian sveva65 (~sverre@unaffiliated/sveva65) |
| 22:52.55 | *** join/#debian duelle (~duelle@unaffiliated/duelle) |
| 22:55.15 | duelle | I installed MariaDB 10.3.18 on latest Debian. Unfortunately MariaDB complains that it cannot raise the open file limit above 4096. According to MariaDB docs I increased the limit, but it still reports that it can't exceed 4096. Are there any ways to find the reason for the limit? |
| 22:55.39 | duelle | ..or the source for that specific limit |
| 22:56.24 | *** join/#debian njka (~njka@unaffiliated/njka) |
| 22:56.53 | *** join/#debian ahi2 (~ahi2@unaffiliated/ahi2) |
| 22:57.54 | *** join/#debian Guest8302 (~tls@191.249.120.145) |
| 22:58.03 | *** join/#debian toxync12 (~toxync12@223.72.45.144) |
| 22:58.37 | *** join/#debian moistmoskito (~luna@2601:18b:300:4ee0:7f85:c2d4:8ce3:f5a6) |
| 22:59.34 | *** join/#debian winy (~vince@gre92-13-83-156-229-210.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 23:03.06 | *** join/#debian Tito72 (~Tito72@92.188.144.106) |
| 23:03.25 | *** join/#debian argusbr (~tls@179.177.132.54.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) |
| 23:03.25 | *** join/#debian argusbr (~tls@unaffiliated/argusbr) |
| 23:03.30 | *** join/#debian salerace (~salerace@unaffiliated/salerace) |
| 23:05.05 | *** join/#debian moistmoskito (~luna@c-73-89-198-100.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) |
| 23:06.02 | somiaj | duelle: I think you need to edit the unit file, systemctl -e mariadb, and increase the limit there (not the global limit in limits.conf) |
| 23:06.57 | *** join/#debian njka- (~njka-@unaffiliated/njka) |
| 23:07.14 | *** join/#debian BlueByte (~walther@grimbart-cable.blackx.net) |
| 23:08.03 | somiaj | duelle: I have LimitNOFILE=100000 in my [service] of the unit file for a service I had to increase the number of open files with. |
| 23:08.30 | *** join/#debian HaRoCafe (~user@180.253.183.129) |
| 23:10.01 | *** join/#debian salerace_ (~salerace@unaffiliated/salerace) |
| 23:11.04 | *** join/#debian finalbeta (~finalbeta@ptr-e2o38d3vamjsb1ezw1f.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be) |
| 23:12.18 | *** join/#debian thePiGrepper (~nagato@190.236.207.101) |
| 23:12.44 | *** join/#debian preview (~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b00::3) |
| 23:13.27 | *** join/#debian jfb4 (~jfb4@host86-146-176-201.range86-146.btcentralplus.com) |
| 23:13.38 | *** join/#debian pringao (~pringau@gateway/tor-sasl/pringau) |
| 23:18.14 | *** join/#debian xcm (~xcm@ipa210.225.tellas.gr) |
| 23:20.06 | *** join/#debian bertbob (~bertbob@67-2-0-166.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 23:20.09 | mutante | mongodb has been dropped in buster. i wonder what could be used to replace it while still using only distro packages |
| 23:20.43 | *** join/#debian pc_123gbn (~pc_123gbn@89.187.165.41) |
| 23:21.18 | nkuttler | mutante: it's a document db, no? postgres with json fields, elastic, couchdb.. |
| 23:21.54 | *** join/#debian DIDAVISION (~DINOWILLI@138.204.25.139) |
| 23:22.32 | somiaj | sqllite? There are various database programs, though unsre which ones are compadable with mongodb out of the box. |
| 23:22.50 | somiaj | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=916107 -- anyways, a local install form upstream may also be possible if mongodb is the tool you want. |
| 23:22.53 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/916107 in src:mongodb (open): «mongodb: MongoDB should not be part of a stable release»; severity: serious; opened: 2018-12-10; last modified: 2019-11-17. |
| 23:24.47 | somiaj | seems mongodb even makes a debian 10 package, though they require user info to download, so I didn't download it |
| 23:25.23 | *** join/#debian jasperarcola (~JasperArc@host81-130-228-109.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 23:25.50 | *** join/#debian new_around_here (~N_A_H@host-2-102-10-212.as13285.net) |
| 23:26.44 | mutante | nkuttler somiaj: thanks. local install is not an option. we will have to forward-port it from stretch to buster i think |
| 23:27.00 | mutante | those were good hints though about that package they offer |
| 23:27.06 | *** join/#debian thePiGrepper (~nagato@190.236.207.101) |
| 23:27.28 | *** join/#debian ahi2 (~ahi2@unaffiliated/ahi2) |
| 23:28.19 | *** join/#debian c0rnelius (~c0rnelius@2601:586:4400:a650:223:aeff:fe87:ff09) |
| 23:30.10 | *** join/#debian teclo- (~teclo-@unaffiliated/teclo) |
| 23:30.46 | *** join/#debian frgo (~frgo@p5DEC43DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:31.08 | *** join/#debian new_around_here (~N_A_H@host-2-102-10-212.as13285.net) |
| 23:32.10 | *** join/#debian saptech (~saptech@unaffiliated/saptech) |
| 23:32.31 | *** join/#debian tme520_ (~tme520@49.255.128.6) |
| 23:33.57 | *** join/#debian jasperarcola (~JasperArc@host81-130-228-109.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 23:37.40 | *** join/#debian krabador (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) |
| 23:39.25 | *** join/#debian jasperarcola (~JasperArc@5.151.146.5) |
| 23:40.23 | *** join/#debian dArK_IcE (~lawl@a79-169-92-77.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 23:42.19 | duelle | somiaj: Currently, I have a config file in "/etc/systemd/system/mariadb.service.d/limitnofile.conf" Where i set the "LimitNOFILE" to 100k in the [Service] section. Am I missing anything else? |
| 23:42.51 | *** join/#debian schizo (~schizo@unaffiliated/sekizo) |
| 23:43.50 | *** join/#debian kobain (~kobain@unaffiliated/kobain) |
| 23:44.55 | *** join/#debian jasperarcola (~JasperArc@5.151.146.5) |
| 23:45.09 | *** join/#debian n_1-c_k (~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70) |
| 23:45.55 | *** join/#debian format_c (~format_c@unaffiliated/format-c/x-8927423) |
| 23:45.57 | somiaj | duelle: that sounds reasonable, my example was a thrid party service so I didn't split it up like that. |
| 23:47.11 | somiaj | !wdytio |
| 23:47.12 | dpkg | Why don't you try it out? |
| 23:47.32 | *** join/#debian TheCreeper2 (~TheCreepe@unaffiliated/thecreeper) |
| 23:47.39 | *** join/#debian fred`` (fred@earthli.ng) |
| 23:49.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1563] by debhelper |
| 23:50.01 | *** join/#debian metbsd (~metbsd@2607:fea8:a380:32c:21d:72ff:fe66:a384) |
| 23:50.01 | *** join/#debian metbsd (~metbsd@unaffiliated/metbsd) |
| 23:50.07 | *** join/#debian greatgatsby (~greatgats@104.160.203.83) |
| 23:51.03 | *** join/#debian r1nt3c (~inerin@58x5x90x194.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp) |
| 23:52.49 | *** join/#debian jeweet_ (jeweet_@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/jeweet/x-57115252) |
| 23:52.53 | *** join/#debian bertbob (~bertbob@67-2-0-166.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 23:54.35 | duelle | somiaj: In the service file the value is set to 16k by default already. |
| 23:54.56 | *** join/#debian srbx7 (~srbz@147.253.110.108) |
| 23:55.14 | *** join/#debian Iarfen (~quassel@181.43.131.174) |
| 23:55.25 | somiaj | duelle: stuff in /etc/systemd will override system stuff in /lib/systemd |
| 23:55.51 | *** join/#debian we6jbo (~we6jbo@2606:6000:c086:6a00:201e:7a2b:815f:bacb) |
| 23:55.52 | somiaj | and my understanding (haven't actually done this) is you can put just snippiets like you did in /etc/systemd to override specific settings, without overriding the whole unit file. |
| 23:56.19 | somiaj | this way you still get updates to the unit file from the package. |
| 23:57.27 | *** join/#debian jasperarcola (~JasperArc@5.151.146.5) |
| 23:58.59 | *** join/#debian dvs (~hibbard@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 23:59.17 | *** join/#debian preview (~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b00::3) |
| 23:59.20 | *** join/#debian diniwed (~gavron@ool-182c80a4.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 23:59.27 | *** join/#debian sleepingforest (~sleepingf@unaffiliated/sleepingforest) |