| 00:00.04 | duelle | somiaj: I followed the MariaDB docs and created a file "/etc/systemd/system/mariadb.service.d/limitnofile.conf" where I set the limit to 102400 in the "[Service]" block. But unfortunately, there seems to be another limit of 4096 at some point which I couldn't find yet. According to the systemctl status, the file is also used. |
| 00:02.33 | somiaj | that 4096 sounds like a system limit in limits.conf, but the unit limit should override that. |
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| 00:03.39 | somiaj | Instead of creating the file that is said, what happens if you remove that mariadb.service.d directory (maybe backup what you have) and instead just run 'systemctl -e mariadb.service', this should edit the service file. Add the LimitNOFILE=100000 to that file, then save it and see what it created in /etc/systemd/system/ |
| 00:04.41 | bluejaypop | I ppl, i installed a different package than original openssl because someone from the team installed a php7.2 package from 3rd party repository. I removed it and wanted to reinstall the official package from debian, but when I install it it has one weird OPENSSLDIR and ENGINESDIR, how can I remove completely the config from previous package ? |
| 00:04.55 | bluejaypop | I tried purge --autoremove and remove --autoremove |
| 00:05.25 | somiaj | duelle: on stretch, I see LimitNOFILE=16364 -- maybe just go down and edit that line |
| 00:06.09 | somiaj | bluejaypop: did you purge the old package, as in if you do dpkg -l | grep ^rc -- you see the package is still there, this means it is removed but the config files are still around? |
| 00:06.31 | duelle | somiaj: The "-e" option doesn't seem to work with systemctl. It reports it as invalid option. |
| 00:06.33 | somiaj | bluejaypop: if the package has been completely purged, maybe some manual settings were done by the admin, check /etc/profile, and $HOME/.profile or .bashrc for this. |
| 00:06.40 | sponix | somiaj: he is lucky his OS is working at all. I did similar one time and it blew everything up :P |
| 00:07.26 | somiaj | duelle: it is just systemctl edit, but I guess it just gives you a blank file and then does what you did. |
| 00:07.33 | bluejaypop | somiaj, I removed the old package and I see this >> rc openssl 1.1.0l-1~deb9u1 |
| 00:07.35 | somiaj | duelle: I'm not sure why your override isn't working. |
| 00:07.41 | bluejaypop | I'm checking variables |
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| 00:08.00 | somiaj | bluejaypop: dpkg --purge openssl (purge the package, it has config files still around) |
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| 00:08.54 | somiaj | duelle: after you made the change, did you run systemctl reload mariadb (you hvae to do this to reload any changes) |
| 00:09.58 | bluejaypop | somiaj, i just did the dpkg --purge openssl and installed again by apt install openssl but when I check i see the weird variables for OPENSSLDIR, please see the following link if possible http://dpaste.com/046E83S |
| 00:10.12 | somiaj | duelle: so put your limitnofile.conf back has you had it, then run 'systemctl reload mariadb', then run 'systemctl restart mariadb', then run 'systemctl show mariadb' and scroll down to see what the LimitNOFILE is set as. |
| 00:11.33 | somiaj | bluejaypop: check your enviroment, 'run env', then check various files like /etc/profile, /etc/profile.d, /etc/bash.bashrc, and $HOME/.profile and $HOME/.bashrc and see if these enviorment variables are set anywhere. |
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| 00:11.56 | duelle | somiaj: the reload seems not to be supported by that unit. But the limits are reported correctly as 102400 (as I set it in the config file) |
| 00:12.58 | somiaj | duelle: well seems like that limit is now set, unsure why reload isn't working (I recall one time I was banging my head against my desk trying to figure out why changes to my unit file didn't work, it was because they require a reload) |
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| 00:13.03 | somiaj | duelle: but it could be that overrides don't. |
| 00:13.41 | sponix | somiaj: what limit are we attempting to override ? |
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| 00:14.41 | somiaj | sponix: LimitNOFILE for the users mariadb service, but seems like we got that to work. |
| 00:15.07 | duelle | somiaj: The warning in the systemctl service says "[Warning] Could not increase number of max_open_files to more than 4096 (request: 4186)". According to docs, I then set "LimitNOFILE=102400". But the warning persists. |
| 00:15.08 | bluejaypop | somiaj, weird part is that i don't see for anypart those variables. |
| 00:15.12 | somiaj | they added a small [service]\nLimitNOFILE=102400 to /etc/systemd/system/mariadb.service.d/limitnofile.conf and it seems to show up. |
| 00:15.17 | sponix | there is a max open files, and open processes of 1024 by default in Debian (and Ubuntu/Mint/etc) -- that any app can bump into... I had to put it higher for my rtorrent because I seed 2K+ torrents :) |
| 00:16.03 | duelle | sponix: The open files limit, but setting LimitNOFILE seems not to change anything.. |
| 00:16.04 | sponix | I have it in my sysctl.conf pretty sure.. want me to dig it out ? |
| 00:16.31 | duelle | sponix: Would be great if you could find it ;) |
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| 00:16.41 | sponix | fs.file-max=500000 |
| 00:16.54 | sponix | in sysctl.conf |
| 00:17.06 | sponix | Given, I went a bit excessive -- but whatever :) |
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| 00:17.10 | somiaj | sponix: I think with systemd, you want to do this per service via LimitNOFILE=, and not in /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 00:17.25 | sponix | There is another spot in /etc/ that is a per user limit also that I had to override |
| 00:17.50 | sponix | somiaj: well, I'll check around, not sure what way I did it -- just know its working :) |
| 00:18.45 | sponix | sponix hard nofile 50000 and sponix soft nofile 40000 are in my /etc/security/limits.conf -- so I did do my user limit mods there |
| 00:19.02 | sponix | can't say it is proper, but it is functional *Grin* |
| 00:19.17 | somiaj | sponix: yea, on my system, I tried to use /etc/security/limits.conf and it didn't work, because systemd sets its limits for its services slightly differently. |
| 00:19.28 | somiaj | so on my system I have set it using the systemd unit file and it works, didn't need to set it anywhere else |
| 00:20.29 | somiaj | but I don't know the details well enough, I just know duelle is in a similar situation I was in, in which the unit file did the trick. |
| 00:20.33 | sponix | somiaj: well as off now, on this OS install, I have not gotten around to launching rtorrent through init at all.. I just run it in terminal for my user attached to a screen session :) |
| 00:20.40 | somiaj | (but it doesn't appear to be working for duelle) |
| 00:20.57 | sponix | somiaj: maybe he should try both ? lol |
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| 00:20.59 | somiaj | duelle: I'm unsure where you are hitting this hard limit. |
| 00:21.08 | somiaj | sponix: could be, maybe there is a hard limit that systemd can't increase beyond |
| 00:21.24 | somiaj | but the mariadb docs they read seems to agree with me, so unsure what else it could be |
| 00:21.31 | duelle | sponix: According to 'sysctl -a' that value is already set to 595726 |
| 00:22.06 | somiaj | duelle: you might want to ask in #systemd, maybe someone there actually knows what they are doing and why the LimitNOFILE you have set isn't being honored. |
| 00:22.27 | sponix | duelle: lies ! |
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| 00:25.09 | duelle | somiaj: sponix: Apart from the warning in the MariaDB setting I cannot find any settings that are limited to something close to 4096.. |
| 00:25.23 | duelle | No idea where MariaDB sees that limit.. |
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| 00:25.36 | duelle | limits.conf doesn't have any limits defined apparently |
| 00:27.00 | sponix | duelle: yes, limits.conf is blank by default. I added those 2 lines into mine for my user |
| 00:27.23 | sponix | duelle: I honestly think it couldn't hurt to try it yourself and see if it helps |
| 00:27.43 | sponix | I did find my solution on the Interwebs -- so it has to be TRUE ! |
| 00:28.04 | sponix | The only thing that would make it more definite is if it was posted on Facebook lol |
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| 00:29.33 | duelle | sponix: do you have the exact line to put there? Is it max-files there? |
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| 00:30.11 | sponix | sponix hard nofile 50000 |
| 00:30.11 | sponix | sponix soft nofile 40000 |
| 00:30.36 | sponix | duelle: those are the 2 exact lines I added to limits.conf |
| 00:31.07 | duelle | Do I have to reboot for the settings to take effect? |
| 00:31.12 | sponix | duelle: and this is the exact line I added at the top of my sysctl.conf |
| 00:31.15 | sponix | fs.file-max=500000 |
| 00:31.34 | sponix | duelle: I know you for sure have to log out and back in, but not sure if a restart is required |
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| 00:32.22 | sponix | duelle: given, these high limits would leave you open to a fork bomb. But unless you are hosting other users on the same rig, and they are turds -- you shouldn't have to worry about that |
| 00:32.55 | fred`` | what happend to the former 'ftp-ssl'-package in buster ? |
| 00:33.19 | fred`` | is there any replacement ? |
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| 00:33.42 | duelle | sponix: Still the same warning... even though I put the settings you provided (/etc/security/limits.conf, /etc/sysctl.conf). |
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| 00:33.51 | duelle | I even rebooted |
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| 00:34.03 | duelle | Limit is still 4096 |
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| 00:35.19 | fred`` | i'm talking about https://packages.debian.org/de/stretch/ftp-ssl |
| 00:35.35 | sponix | duelle: has to be the database itself then.. Its config, its access table, or something |
| 00:35.41 | sponix | duelle: what db was this again ? |
| 00:35.47 | duelle | sponix: MariaDB |
| 00:35.55 | sponix | wait one |
| 00:36.02 | sponix | breaks out Google-Fu |
| 00:37.19 | duelle | sponix: Googling for that issue brought me to the drop-in file for the systemd service. |
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| 00:39.18 | sponix | https://haydenjames.io/could-not-increase-number-of-max_open_files-to-more-than/ |
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| 00:39.40 | sponix | there is a access table var or whatever defining this stuff also lol |
| 00:40.08 | sponix | and also a max connection in my.conf that can be defined -- but that is connections itself, not files from what I see ;) |
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| 00:40.51 | duelle | sponix: But according to that link, that variable is directly influenced by the 'LimitNOFILE' property, or am I getting it wrong? |
| 00:43.59 | duelle | That guy seems to do it similar to what I did - just with mysql instead of mariadb. I also just tried to creating a folder mysql.service.d with that override config file. But didn't help either |
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| 00:44.23 | sponix | duelle: check and see if you have that var in that table thing |
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| 00:44.41 | duelle | sponix: I do. It gives 4096 |
| 00:44.47 | sponix | duelle: presto |
| 00:44.59 | sponix | duelle: set that to 65535 and you should be golden :) |
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| 00:46.18 | duelle | sponix: > SET open_files_limit = 102400; |
| 00:46.22 | duelle | ERROR 1238 (HY000): Variable 'open_files_limit' is a read only variable |
| 00:47.04 | sponix | duelle: hmm, maybe you need to be in as the *cough* root user, or another higher priv one to change that ? |
| 00:47.18 | sponix | otherwise, what is the good of having a var, if it can't be changed ? |
| 00:48.28 | duelle | sponix: I am root.. As shown in the link you posted previously, this seems to be directly related to a system variable... |
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| 00:49.40 | sponix | duelle: hmm cat /etc/my.conf |grep 4096 or where ever it is.. see what you have for 4096's in there :) |
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| 00:50.02 | sponix | duelle: this goes on much longer, I might have to break down and spin up a VM to tinker with :P |
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| 00:52.17 | duelle | sponix: The only place related to mysql that mentions 4096 is /etc/init.d/mysql line 72 with "> SET open_files_limit = 102400; |
| 00:52.20 | duelle | ERROR 1238 (HY000): Variable 'open_files_limit' is a read only variable |
| 00:52.35 | duelle | Sorry, wrong paste.. |
| 00:53.08 | duelle | sponix: The only place related to mysql that mentions '4096' is /etc/init.d/mysql line 72 with: "if LC_ALL=C BLOCKSIZE= df --portability $datadir/. | tail -n 1 | awk '{ exit ($4>4096) }'; then" |
| 00:53.55 | duelle | Was a grep inside /etc |
| 00:54.25 | sponix | duelle: well surely they aren't dumb enough to hard code that lol |
| 00:55.12 | duelle | sponix: Also no sysctl settings that seem to be related and set to that value. |
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| 00:57.35 | sponix | https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/server-system-variables.html#sysvar_open_files_limit |
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| 00:58.06 | sponix | Command-Line Format --open-files-limit=# |
| 00:58.45 | sponix | might just need to edit the mariadb start line inside the systemd service -- because it says when this isn't specified it defaults to 5000 |
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| 01:00.10 | sponix | given, that was back on version 8 .. .not sure it is still active |
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| 01:01.25 | duelle | sponix: Tried to do that, and it seems to really pass on that parameter, but still the warning is there.. |
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| 01:02.24 | sponix | duelle: And did you put the noFILELimit thing in here -> /etc/systemd/system/mysql.service.d/override.conf |
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| 01:02.49 | sponix | duelle: know it sounds dumb, but put it in there (also) ... Because MariaDB is and forever will be known to the system as "mysql" lol |
| 01:04.52 | duelle | sponix: After you sent me the link I tried that. Also with that additional parameter set the warning is still there :/ |
| 01:05.14 | sponix | duelle: Have to take the family out to eat... But in an hour or two I will return -- I am spinning up a Debian 10 Virtual Machine right now so I can drop this DB in there and see about overcoming this |
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| 01:07.40 | duelle | sponix: I also have to go soon as it is very late (ehh.. early) here. That's very nice of you to look into that issue. Though I cannot be here in 1 or 2 hours. Will you be around tomorrow maybe? |
| 01:08.52 | sponix | duelle: yes.. will likely be around tomorrow. If I find a solutions for you I will post it here: http://sponix.tk/Downloads/HowToBasic/ |
| 01:09.11 | sponix | in video, text, image -- or whatever format makes sense :) |
| 01:09.18 | duelle | Okay, thanks a whole lot for your help! |
| 01:09.31 | duelle | Thanks to you also somiaj ! |
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| 01:10.48 | duelle | sponix: Thanks and bye. I'll report on the result then ;) |
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| 03:13.27 | sponix | somiaj: So.. I got to thinking.... I bet that mysqld is run by like a "mysql" user lol ... Might have to place a limits.conf line in there for that user it is run under |
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| 03:14.11 | whislock | sponix: It is. |
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| 03:35.00 | sponix | whislock: so this user kept hitting a 4096 limit with mariadb... The systemd service has the file limit var at 16K something.. So I'm betting it is a soft/hard limit on the "mysql" user per /etc/security/limits.conf that needs to be defined _maybe_ |
| 03:35.31 | sponix | but crap, now I gotta pull up a guide on how to get this db to let me in and so forth |
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| 04:39.01 | martigan | is there a way to start gnome-logs as from a user account? sudo gnome-logs gives an error. I found some documentation saying I can add the user to the admin group. Is that the recommended way? |
| 04:45.54 | sponix | somiaj: I found his fix and have it documented --> http://sponix.tk/Downloads/HowToBasic/duelle_mariadb_open_files_limit/ |
| 04:46.10 | sponix | It of course was in the documentation that I had already pointed out lol |
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| 05:13.37 | karlpinc | sponix: Shouldn't this be something the mariadb packages automatically takes care of? |
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| 05:15.05 | sponix | karlpinc: the "default" is likely fine for most home users or whatever... guy in here earlier wanted to have over 4K open at a time |
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| 05:25.45 | karlpinc | sponix: Databases should be configured to support a reasonable amount of normal usage in a "typical" production setting. I don't think "home usage" is enough for this kind of program. 4K of what open at once? |
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| 08:19.38 | strongestAvenger | hi all! Can any1 tell me how to install widevine on chromium (v78) |
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| 09:21.15 | ratrace | wth... which memtest86 do I need? I wanna test RAM chips on boot... memtest86 or memtest86+ ? I'm reading about difference, but I don't get it... |
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| 09:22.22 | colo-work | both perform the same job |
| 09:22.40 | colo-work | one is a fork of the other, I believe |
| 09:22.54 | colo-work | I'd just use the one with a newer release if I were you |
| 09:22.56 | ratrace | yes, + is a fork, and apparently + works as a standalone program from boot |
| 09:23.03 | colo-work | both can do that |
| 09:23.05 | colo-work | afair |
| 09:23.22 | colo-work | (and should) |
| 09:23.55 | ratrace | perfect example when "choice" is very bad in linux ecosystem.... |
| 09:24.22 | jm_ | just remember that it's not a 100% test, I had cases where neither detected RAM issues but putting system under stress things started crashing left and right (I knew RAM was involved because I added it to the system when it started happening) |
| 09:24.52 | ratrace | yeah I know |
| 09:25.03 | ratrace | bbl, reboot for memtest |
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| 09:47.23 | slimefoot | hke: stop it, please |
| 09:47.27 | slimefoot | http://ix.io/22pO |
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| 09:48.38 | hke | slimefoot: Only the last one was on me, but weird to see how many people copied the initial whitespace from the webpage. Sorry folks. |
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| 09:50.18 | slimefoot | hke: those people are not doing it by mistake - it's just channel advertisement spam |
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| 09:51.54 | hke | slimefoot: I see, thanks and sorry. |
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| 10:09.53 | ws2k3 | i need to download a huge folder by ftp. is there any tool that i can use that can resume if the connections breaks? |
| 10:12.25 | ratrace | ws2k3: rsync over ssh |
| 10:12.29 | ratrace | sftp* |
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| 10:13.43 | wrksx | Hi there, just read that on SO "[...] since /bin was merged with /usr/bin and /sbin was merged with /usr/sbin" |
| 10:14.21 | wrksx | But this doesn't seem to be the case on Debian (nor Mint apparently). |
| 10:15.00 | wrksx | Is there a will to move that way for Debian or are we going to stick to the split /bin and /usr/bin? |
| 10:15.04 | ratrace | wrksx: it is if you install buster fresh, or install the usrmerge package |
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| 10:16.16 | wrksx | ratrace: alright, my bad checked the wrong place. |
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| 10:17.02 | ratrace | ws2k3: oh yeah, wget has --continue too and it can work with ftp if you really need just plain ftp |
| 10:17.03 | wrksx | ratrace: but I have a debian 10 minimal docker container running and it's not setup that way. Is this possibly because of the usrmerge package not installed? |
| 10:17.26 | ratrace | wrksx: you'll have to ask whoever set up that container |
| 10:17.27 | wrksx | ratrace: in other word, if you install buster without this package would the directory be merged? |
| 10:17.52 | ratrace | as for official, regular debian installation, if you install Buster from the official ISOs, it will be usrmerge'd |
| 10:18.13 | wrksx | ratrace: okay thank you. |
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| 10:56.27 | strk | can I specify a package version to apt via some semver specifier ? |
| 10:56.57 | strk | ie: cache knows about 1.7.2+dfsg-1~ubuntu14.04.1 and 1.5.4+dfsg-1, I want a version in the 1.5 range |
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| 11:00.21 | strk | apt-get install ansible='1.5*' # works, but could pick 1.51 (just saying..) |
| 11:00.48 | strk | in semver terms it would be ~1.5.0 |
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| 11:24.37 | Haohmaru | ,v kicad |
| 11:24.39 | judd | Package: kicad on amd64 -- jessie: 0.20140622+bzr4027-3; stretch: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4; stretch-backports: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1; stretch-backports-sloppy: 5.1.4+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports: 5.1.4+dfsg1-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.1.4+dfsg1-2; sid: 5.1.5+dfsg1-1 |
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| 12:03.14 | grzesiek11 | ,v kde-desktop |
| 12:03.15 | judd | No package named 'kde-desktop' was found in amd64. |
| 12:03.27 | grzesiek11 | ,v kde |
| 12:03.28 | judd | No package named 'kde' was found in amd64. |
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| 12:03.57 | grzesiek11 | forgot how kde's package is called |
| 12:04.13 | grzesiek11 | ,v plasma-desktop |
| 12:04.14 | judd | Package: plasma-desktop on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.11.13-2; stretch: 4:5.8.6-1; buster: 4:5.14.5.1-1; bullseye: 4:5.14.5.1-4; sid: 4:5.14.5.1-4 |
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| 12:05.15 | grzesiek11 | i excepted something higher from sid... |
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| 12:05.59 | y0kowka | HEAVEnO everysoul! how to change places in rhythmbox name of the song and artist? |
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| 12:10.52 | B|ack0p | hi |
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| 12:18.21 | jim | B|ack0p, hi |
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| 12:23.48 | grzesiek11 | hi |
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| 12:46.37 | sweb | my server is reset and i see logs: "systemd-logind[953]: Power key pressed." And IPMI logs show "System ACPI Power State ACPI | S4/S5: soft-off | Asserted" |
| 12:46.37 | sweb | is power failure or someone push power button or power off by ILO ? how could i find out ? |
| 12:47.49 | jm_ | sounds more like the latter |
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| 12:53.43 | jelly | sweb: someone or something pressed the physical or virtual power button |
| 12:54.32 | jelly | sweb: pressing it over iLO looks exactly the same to the OS as pressing the physical button. You might find more info in IML or iLO logs. |
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| 13:01.17 | jelly | sweb: I don't know what "IPMI logs" are on a Proliant, how do you access those |
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| 13:02.13 | torchinz | Hi. I am on Debian-Win10 dual boot. Is it possible for me to run a disk encryption just on the debian partition? |
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| 13:06.09 | B|ack0p | instead of installing debian_xfce iso , can i use netinstaller iso and install only xfce de ? is it same thing or debian xfce iso has extra things? |
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| 13:09.43 | jelly | B|ack0p: it's exactly the same, but you need to have internet access for the installer to get debs from a mirror |
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| 13:10.47 | B|ack0p | jelly: i dont have big usb flash stick or dvd player but i have an ethernet cable :p |
| 13:11.06 | B|ack0p | and 512mb flash stick |
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| 13:16.49 | oxek | where do I configure whether a user is allowed to mount a removable usb stick without root privileges? |
| 13:17.19 | dvs | B|ack0p, 512MB is enough for a Debian iso image |
| 13:17.26 | oxek | currently, when a usb flashdrive is inserted, icon appears on desktop but clicking it produces an arror |
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| 13:17.35 | oxek | not even a popup asking for root privileges |
| 13:18.03 | B|ack0p | dvs: yes only for netinstaller |
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| 13:18.38 | dvs | B|ack0p, and the ethernet cable is not attached to the Internet? |
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| 13:18.53 | B|ack0p | dvs: it is |
| 13:19.13 | dvs | B|ack0p, so what's the problem? |
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| 13:21.12 | B|ack0p | dvs: nothing |
| 13:21.28 | B|ack0p | there was a iso image with xfce but it was more than 2gb |
| 13:21.49 | B|ack0p | so i asked if it is ok to use netinstaller which is small size |
| 13:21.55 | dvs | B|ack0p, you can install xfce afterwards |
| 13:22.04 | B|ack0p | yea |
| 13:22.27 | B|ack0p | but installing over another desktop causing some problems for me |
| 13:22.50 | B|ack0p | so i wanna install it within debian installer |
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| 13:25.51 | dvs | B|ack0p, so install the task-xfce-desktop package with the installer. |
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| 13:27.56 | B|ack0p | dvs: we r talking same thing |
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| 13:29.14 | f8e3 | from a opsec perspective, is it worth updating to deb10? |
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| 13:34.08 | oxek | f8e3: what are you running now? |
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| 13:37.56 | f8e3 | deb9 with all updates ok |
| 13:38.19 | f8e3 | https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?55093 when can i do full disk encryption with luks2, since /boot can now only be luks right? |
| 13:38.56 | oxek | f8e3: if you're on fully updated deb9, then you have all security updates, but should be looking into migrating onto deb10 within the next year or so |
| 13:38.59 | dvs | !stretch-lts |
| 13:38.59 | dpkg | It is expected that extended security support for Debian 9 "Stretch" will be offered by the <LTS> project after the Debian Security Team ceases supporting stretch in July 2020. See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information |
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| 13:39.49 | oxek | f8e3: just do /boot as luks1, and the rest as luks2 |
| 13:40.11 | oxek | there's no *real* vulnerability in luks1 |
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| 13:40.38 | f8e3 | i dont like the mix, i will wait fro grub to support it. thank you |
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| 13:41.13 | velix | Hi. Are these mount parameters in /etc/fstab are fine for a chroot? Ending "0 0" of course: https://bpaste.net/show/EZERW |
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| 13:45.36 | oxek | f8e3: what's the problem with the mix? |
| 13:46.01 | oxek | grub is unlikely to support it ever, due to increased memory requirements |
| 13:46.43 | oxek | grub's environment is very restricted |
| 13:47.05 | oxek | even the luks1 support is a bit of a hack |
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| 13:50.55 | whislock | f8e3: There's nothing wrong with mixing luks1 and luks2. |
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| 14:03.38 | leto | Hi, I'm on debian sid. How can I downgrade thunderbird 68.2.2 to an 60.* version (where my extensions were still working) please? |
| 14:03.55 | petn-randall | !downgrade |
| 14:03.56 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 14:03.59 | greycat | ,snapshot |
| 14:04.02 | greycat | !snapshot |
| 14:04.02 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 14:04.34 | petn-randall | leto: You can try installing it from the snapshot repos, though I'm not sure if the client data gets upgraded. So thunderbird might not run anymore on downgrade. |
| 14:05.00 | greycat | petn-randall's factoid is just to warn you that installing the older version may or may not go smoothly. you should back up your profile (or your whole $HOME, or your whole system) just in case. |
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| 14:08.46 | leto | petn-randall, greycat : thanks, I'm going to try the snapshot repo install, after a profile's backup |
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| 14:30.06 | madrid | is someone using flatpak to get the last updated gnome release? |
| 14:30.16 | greycat | !polls |
| 14:30.16 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 14:34.01 | Sora | hi please help, i set my crypttab up as https://0bin.net/paste/qGdWOemisMWvoNn5#hve3204d309AspOz8jpgtVUPmGIqhGIG+Yc0VAMPblB but upon boot I am still asked for the password |
| 14:34.06 | Sora | i want it to use the keyfile instead |
| 14:34.10 | Sora | and not have to type 12 passwords |
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| 14:34.15 | annadane | is gnome even in flatpak?! i wasn't aware something like that - a DE - is even packaged |
| 14:34.28 | greycat | it's a surprise to me too |
| 14:34.33 | Sora | i run update-initramfs -u |
| 14:34.35 | Sora | ran* |
| 14:35.02 | Sora | and all drives have luksAddKey applied |
| 14:36.51 | Sora | oops |
| 14:36.52 | Sora | i see the issue |
| 14:37.20 | petn-randall | Sora: Glad we could help ;) |
| 14:37.22 | Sora | is there a way to make my encrypted swap partition use a random key on each boot |
| 14:37.27 | Sora | instead of me having to type it |
| 14:38.32 | ratrace | Sora: yea, you can supply /dev/(u)random for they keyfile in crypttab. |
| 14:38.54 | ratrace | also, if that's for swap, you'll need to add the swap option to the crypttab as well |
| 14:40.27 | Sora | wont using a random key fail to unlock the drive? |
| 14:40.49 | Sora | how do i specify the swap partition uses any key |
| 14:41.20 | Sora | atm |
| 14:41.20 | Sora | ├─sdm5 94206e12-20fb-463b-b568-41fc767548f7 |
| 14:41.20 | Sora | │ └─sdm5_crypt 739dd7c9-10e7-40f3-8431-03e7930dc389 [SWAP] |
| 14:41.49 | petn-randall | Sora: What are you hoping to get from using a different key on every boot? |
| 14:42.00 | Sora | not having to type the key each boot |
| 14:42.07 | Sora | alternatively if i can just auto unlock it from the first key |
| 14:42.11 | Sora | but that was bugged iirc |
| 14:42.42 | petn-randall | Sora: I'm wondering why you have to unlock so many devices on boot. The usual way is to have a single LUKS container, and LVM within that. |
| 14:42.46 | Sora | can i just add the keyfile to the swap partition too and unlock it with my keyfile in root partition |
| 14:43.00 | Sora | or is the root partition inaccessible until swap is mounted |
| 14:43.13 | Sora | petn-randall: zfs |
| 14:43.35 | Sora | since zfs encryption is bugged and slow, i am using luks on each drive then making a zfs array with those encrypted devices. |
| 14:43.38 | petn-randall | root can be mounted without swap being there. |
| 14:43.59 | petn-randall | Eww, the overhead. |
| 14:44.10 | Sora | i get 500MB/s read/write penalty using zfs native encryption |
| 14:44.11 | Sora | :D |
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| 14:44.44 | Sora | so 1.1GB/s drops to about 700MB/s |
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| 14:45.04 | Sora | luks... no noticable drop. maybe in random read/write but that is not my use case |
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| 14:47.30 | jelly | Sora: does your workload actually need that much single-thread write? Sometimes adding complexity can bite you (or whoever is going to manage the systems) in a couple years from now |
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| 14:48.05 | Sora | its also an issue of cpu usage, jelly |
| 14:48.22 | Sora | luks uses way less cpu than zfs for the same write speed |
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| 14:48.37 | Sora | or same read speed |
| 14:48.41 | Sora | so yes, it might be an issue |
| 14:48.51 | leto | petn-randall, greycat : the downgrade works perfectly for the moment, thanks for the tip |
| 14:49.19 | Sora | storage/storage 102T 4.0G 102T 1% /storage |
| 14:49.20 | Sora | :D |
| 14:50.29 | Sora | i probably dont need 1.2GB/s of write speed but i definitely need a decent chunk of that |
| 14:50.40 | madrid | @annadane you can find the org.gnome.Platform as an app requirement |
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| 14:51.19 | ratrace | Sora: yes, you can use random key for the swap partition if use use (u)random for keyfile and add "swap" option to crypttab, check the manpage what tha does |
| 14:51.55 | Sora | swap uuid seems to change on each boot |
| 14:51.55 | Sora | .-. |
| 14:52.10 | ratrace | Sora: so? |
| 14:52.28 | Sora | since its sdm5_crypt what do I specify in crypttab |
| 14:52.40 | Sora | instead of UUID=xxx |
| 14:52.50 | Sora | er, sdm5 |
| 14:53.04 | Sora | ok sdm5 does not change |
| 14:53.05 | Sora | nvm |
| 14:53.11 | ratrace | Sora: you got it the other way around. in crypttab you specify the fixed (PART)UUID of the luks container partition |
| 14:53.33 | ratrace | then for fstab you don't use UUID, as it changes on boot, but mapper name |
| 14:53.56 | ratrace | whatever name you gave in crypttab, apparently sdm5_crypt |
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| 15:11.25 | oxek | anyone know how I can make `udisksctl mount -b /dev/sdc1` not require root permissions? I just want to mount usb drives without root. |
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| 15:14.20 | koowgnojeel | oxek: sudoer? |
| 15:15.22 | oxek | koowgnojeel: yes, my user is part of the sudo group |
| 15:16.19 | oxek | I just don't want to have to put in my password every time I insert a usb stick |
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| 15:16.35 | oxek | just like it works on every other linux machine except this one |
| 15:17.17 | koowgnojeel | oxek: sudoer > User_Alias SUPERGROUP=koowgnojeel // Cmnd_Alias CMD_POWEROFF=/sbin/poweroff,/sbin/reboot // SUPERGROUP ALL=NOPASSWD:CMD_ADMIN,CMD_POWEROFF,CMD_BASIC |
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| 16:31.37 | elm_ | I need the man page for gcc |
| 16:31.50 | elm_ | however gcc-doc is only available for debian 9 |
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| 16:32.18 | elm_ | apt-get says gcc-doc is not available but referenced from another package |
| 16:32.31 | elm_ | how to find out which package references gcc-doc??? |
| 16:33.55 | greycat | ,v gcc-doc |
| 16:33.56 | judd | Package: gcc-doc on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 5:4.9.1-3; stretch/contrib: 5:6.1.0-1; buster-backports/contrib: 5:8.3.0-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/contrib: 5:9.2.0-1; sid/contrib: 5:9.2.0-1 |
| 16:34.02 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 16:34.03 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
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| 16:34.20 | jelly | elm_: you'll have to enable those ^ to be able to install the package |
| 16:34.31 | greycat | !buster-backports |
| 16:34.31 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
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| 16:34.53 | greycat | It's not in buster. It's in buster-backports. Apparently it was removed from testing during the buster freeze; see https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gcc-doc-defaults |
| 16:35.32 | jelly | oh even better |
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| 16:36.12 | elm_ | using Debian 10 |
| 16:36.24 | greycat | aka buster |
| 16:36.39 | jelly | ,v gcc-8-doc |
| 16:36.41 | judd | Package: gcc-8-doc on amd64 -- buster-backports/non-free: 8.3.0-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 8.3.0-2; sid/non-free: 8.3.0-2 |
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| 16:36.52 | jhutchins_wk | ,v curl |
| 16:36.53 | judd | Package: curl on amd64 -- jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u11; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u16; stretch: 7.52.1-5+deb9u9; stretch-security: 7.52.1-5+deb9u9; buster: 7.64.0-4; bullseye: 7.66.0-1+b1; sid: 7.66.0-1+b1 |
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| 16:37.14 | jelly | I won't ask why that's in -backports instead of, say, -proposed-updates |
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| 16:38.46 | jelly | elm_: so to recap: you need both buster-backports enabled, and you also need contrib and non-free enabled. |
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| 16:39.18 | jelly | (for buster-backports at least) |
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| 16:40.39 | elm_ | yes, that has worked |
| 16:40.52 | elm_ | what if I also need these packages offline? |
| 16:41.02 | elm_ | how can I get the pool-download url? |
| 16:41.28 | greycat | apt-get --print-uris install --reinstall whatever |
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| 16:43.16 | elm_ | the packages are already in the cache so that --print-uris yields no effect |
| 16:43.31 | greycat | which is why I used --reinstall |
| 16:44.31 | elm_ | rm /var/cache/apt/archives/* works for me |
| 16:44.35 | elm_ | reinstall did not work |
| 16:45.01 | jelly | elm_: apt-get --print-uris download foo |
| 16:45.10 | greycat | oh, new subcommands |
| 16:45.39 | greycat | ... and it's in *wheezy*, sheesh. |
| 16:45.39 | jelly | should work in debian 10. and 9. |
| 16:46.03 | jelly | I did not expect it in 8 nor 7 but if you say so! |
| 16:47.10 | jelly | elm_: that one does not print the URI if you already have the package in current directory (instead of /var/cache/apt/archives/) |
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| 16:48.04 | greycat | Not in squeeze, so looks like it was added in wheezy. |
| 16:48.51 | jelly | pretends not to have any squeeze systems at hand |
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| 17:27.05 | SanchoPensa | hey, guys! |
| 17:27.10 | Nebst | hi |
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| 17:28.11 | SanchoPensa | do you know of a way to teach scp to copy files in batch mode from a txt.file containing links to file-system locations? |
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| 17:29.13 | section1 | parse the file with a script |
| 17:29.20 | Nebst | python? |
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| 17:30.39 | SanchoPensa | section1: is that the only way? |
| 17:30.49 | SanchoPensa | Nebst: ? |
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| 17:31.09 | Nebst | which os linux? |
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| 17:32.11 | section1 | i never see scp using a file to do that... |
| 17:32.18 | SanchoPensa | Nebst: debian, obviously... :D |
| 17:32.26 | Nebst | ah |
| 17:32.50 | wsky | you can generate the file server side and push it to the server |
| 17:32.53 | SanchoPensa | section1: unfortunately, me neither... maybe should I use rsnapshot, or something.. |
| 17:32.55 | wsky | client side* |
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| 17:33.21 | SanchoPensa | wsky: is there a difference? |
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| 17:33.31 | SanchoPensa | whether I push or pull it? |
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| 17:33.59 | section1 | SanchoPensa, maybe with rsync and --files-from |
| 17:34.37 | SanchoPensa | section1: also an option, yes, thank you! |
| 17:34.55 | section1 | np |
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| 17:42.39 | duelle | Hi sponix, thanks for the effort you made to reproduce the issue! Unfortunately, setting the max_connections to a higher value didn't do the trick in my case :/ |
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| 17:44.45 | section1 | what is the issue duelle ? |
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| 17:45.57 | duelle | I installed a MariaDB on latest Debian. MariaDB reports a warning that the file limit cannot be increased above 4096. Every try to increase the relevant parameters didn't change anything.. |
| 17:46.22 | section1 | AH |
| 17:46.43 | duelle | Last try included increasing max_connections as it is somehow related to the max open files according to the docs, but that didn't help either, unfortunately. |
| 17:46.59 | section1 | duelle, do you use systemd ? |
| 17:47.03 | duelle | Yes |
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| 17:47.53 | section1 | duelle, check LimitNOFILE for systemd |
| 17:48.32 | duelle | section1: I did (and set) that value already, but even though it is picked up, it doesn't increase the said limit in MariaDB. |
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| 17:50.50 | section1 | duelle, du you setup in the service file of mariadb ? |
| 17:50.56 | section1 | do* |
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| 17:51.47 | duelle | You mean the LimitNOFILE, section1? That is doen in a drop-in file. According to systemctl show mariadb that value is loaded and set, but there seems to be another 'delimiter' for the open files.. |
| 17:51.51 | section1 | hum i don't have a debian with systemd right now to test it.. |
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| 17:54.32 | duelle | sponix apparently reproduced the issue and mentioned that increasing max_connections had helped in his scenario. But for me, apparently, it doesn't. And I have no clue why. |
| 17:55.06 | section1 | weird |
| 17:55.25 | section1 | https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/systemd/#configuring-the-open-files-limit |
| 17:55.36 | section1 | i think that with that should work.. |
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| 17:56.59 | duelle | section1: According to sysctl that value is set to 1048576. So much higher than the 4096 in the warning. |
| 17:57.06 | section1 | yeap |
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| 17:59.12 | duelle | section1: And in systemctl show mariadb it is set to the exact value I set (which is 102400) |
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| 17:59.33 | duelle | But still the error persists with the limit of 4096 that MariaDB cannot/is not allowed to exceed |
| 17:59.45 | duelle | *warning |
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| 18:02.25 | karlpinc | duelle: How did you install mariadb, from the debian repos? |
| 18:02.40 | duelle | karlpinc: Yes |
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| 18:03.18 | duelle | karlpinc: mariadb-server 1:10.3.18-0+deb10u1 |
| 18:03.32 | karlpinc | duelle: You might look in the bug tracking system/file a bug. There could be a workaround in there. |
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| 18:03.41 | karlpinc | (open or closed bug) |
| 18:05.13 | karlpinc | duelle: It is also the kind of thing that might come up on the debian user mailing list. You can check the archive and/or ask there. |
| 18:05.16 | duelle | karlpinc: Maybe I have to do so.. Yesterday, I also asked in #maria, unfortunately I didn't get any responses. |
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| 18:07.13 | karlpinc | duelle: I don't know any apparmor, is there anything in there that might be messing with you or do you know for sure it is the sysctl? |
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| 18:07.56 | karlpinc | (And I am curious what all those files are doing open.) |
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| 18:11.53 | duelle | karlpinc: My problem is, that I do not know where this limit is set. sysctl and also systemctl report limits much higher than the 4096 open files. As far as I know there is no apparmor present on this machine. |
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| 18:12.23 | whislock | duelle: Running buster? |
| 18:12.52 | jelly | duelle: how did you check systemctl for that specific service? |
| 18:13.04 | duelle | whislock: Debian 10.2, yes |
| 18:13.07 | whislock | Then apparmor is present and running. That doesn't sound like something apparmor would impose, though. |
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| 18:13.31 | duelle | jelly: systemctl show mariadb |
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| 18:14.45 | jelly | duelle: and what do both LimitNOFILE and LimitNOFILESoft say, more than 4096? |
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| 18:15.36 | duelle | jelly: Both are set to 102400 (as I set it in the drop-in file for mariadb, and as documented in the corresponding docs for MariaDB) |
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| 18:15.39 | Ankman | just read Android might soon use an ordinary Linux. hope they select Debian |
| 18:15.58 | jelly | okay, I'll assume systemd doesn't do anything weird there, then |
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| 18:17.15 | jelly | Ankman: be careful reading articles, some say "Linux" when they mean "Linux kernel", which is strictly correct, some say "Linux" when they refer to a(ny) whole Linux distribution (OS) |
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| 18:18.56 | Ankman | jelly: good point |
| 18:18.57 | jelly | Ankman: Android, or its open source bits called AOSP, will never be based on a different distro not controlled by Google. You probably read a text where it meant "the Linux kernel" |
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| 18:19.44 | Ankman | headline was "Google wants Android to use regular Linux kernel" |
| 18:19.59 | dvs | *kernel* |
| 18:20.00 | Ankman | can post the link from androidpolice |
| 18:20.38 | jelly | Ankman: that makes more sense, no need to post link |
| 18:21.58 | jelly | the kernel is just one (if rather important) part of a distro |
| 18:22.43 | Ankman | knows |
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| 18:23.28 | Ankman | english isn't my natice language. i probably miss-read something |
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| 18:24.04 | jelly | miss-ed the "kernel" word right after "Linux" |
| 18:24.27 | greycat | (which is redundant) |
| 18:24.41 | jelly | we'll have to agree to disagree on that |
| 18:25.01 | Ankman | you're right |
| 18:25.25 | annadane | disagrees to agree |
| 18:25.26 | Ankman | jelly i mean |
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| 18:25.57 | section1 | duelle, hum i tested in debian9 and works fine.! |
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| 18:27.12 | section1 | adding open_files_limit to mariadb options and creating a file in /etc/systemd/system/mariadb.service.d/ with the new limit |
| 18:27.20 | jelly | duelle: care to pastebin all of "grep mysqld /var/log/daemon.log" ? |
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| 18:28.11 | nvram_alternativ | hino everyone |
| 18:28.11 | sponix | duelle: odd, I was up to the 16384 or whatever the systemd services defaulted to after putting max connections to like 20K -- So thought that would have improved something for you also |
| 18:28.38 | sponix | duelle: This is on a nearly bare Debian 10 virtual machine |
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| 18:30.05 | duelle | I just found another limit which actually is 4096. In #maria they pointed me to a guide on file limits where it also says to check 'ulimit -Hn' which actually reports 4096. |
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| 18:30.46 | section1 | yeah that is in /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 18:31.22 | duelle | section1: That file is effectively empty.. (completely commented out) |
| 18:31.24 | jelly | duelle: that's precisely what LimitNOFile addresses, hard limit for nofile |
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| 18:32.05 | jelly | running "ulimit -Hn" only shows the value for that shell you run it in |
| 18:32.13 | section1 | well "that is in" = "you can change that in" |
| 18:32.50 | nvram_alternativ | What about developing a freesource setup??? |
| 18:32.52 | jelly | section1: /etc/security/limits.conf is a config file for pam_limits module. |
| 18:33.27 | section1 | yeah |
| 18:33.36 | duelle | When trying to set fs.file-max, I get this: |
| 18:33.37 | duelle | # sysctl -w fs.file-max=102400 |
| 18:33.38 | duelle | sysctl: setting key "fs.file-max": Read-only file system |
| 18:33.58 | duelle | Is anything wrong with my system maybe? |
| 18:34.03 | jelly | duelle: is this a VM or a VPS? Do you control the kernel? |
| 18:34.04 | section1 | looks like yes |
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| 18:34.42 | jelly | if it's a VPS container many kernel tunables will be fixed |
| 18:35.17 | jelly | duelle: and fs.file-max should be much bigger than 102400, by default. |
| 18:35.17 | nvram_alternativ | come on people tell libreboot coreboot to develop a freesource setup |
| 18:35.52 | nvram_alternativ | lets kill intell mei and amd PSP |
| 18:35.56 | jelly | nvram_alternativ: you're in #debian right now. Perhaps you want to find a libreboot or coreboot channel. |
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| 18:36.46 | jelly | nvram_alternativ: or a hardware one. /msg alis help |
| 18:37.49 | sponix | duelle: I currently can now get mine to do whatever I want -- I have it up to 50K lol |
| 18:38.42 | jelly | duelle: what does "cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max" or "sysctl fs.file-max" say in the first place? |
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| 18:40.08 | section1 | sure its says 4096 |
| 18:40.11 | section1 | lol |
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| 18:40.12 | duelle | jelly: It's a LXC container in Proxmox. Sorry if this would be an essential thing, but I never expected that to be relevant :/ |
| 18:40.21 | duelle | give me a second. I'll check the details. |
| 18:40.34 | jelly | duelle: Today You Learned! |
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| 18:41.12 | sponix | duelle: Yes, that most certainly matters lol |
| 18:41.19 | duelle | jelly: # cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max |
| 18:41.20 | duelle | 595726 |
| 18:41.38 | sponix | duelle: I updated my text with what all was required on my fresh Debian 10 VM to get up to 50K (the limit I used) |
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| 18:41.55 | duelle | Same result for 'sysctl fs.file-max' |
| 18:42.10 | sponix | duelle: See if you have already done all those steps, and if so double check your mysql var again to see what it shows the limit as now :) |
| 18:42.33 | sponix | duelle: I now have fs.nr_open=50000 also |
| 18:42.54 | jelly | duelle: then you probably don't want or need to make it lower |
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| 18:43.44 | jelly | duelle: other restrictions may be imposed on the container however, I'd investigate in that area |
| 18:43.44 | duelle | I'm confused now. Are 'ulimit -Hn' (=4096) and fs.file-max directly related? |
| 18:43.53 | sponix | goes to take an old man nap |
| 18:43.54 | jelly | no. |
| 18:44.18 | sponix | duelle: ulimit is a "process limit" -- not files open :) |
| 18:44.25 | jelly | fs.file-max is just a global upper limit for all the processes combined |
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| 18:44.54 | section1 | yeah |
| 18:45.00 | section1 | not per process |
| 18:45.07 | jelly | sponix: ulimit is a shell builtin command showing state for _just that shell you run it in_ |
| 18:45.12 | sponix | jelly: Yeah.. I have to bump mine up for rtorrent -- most of the time it defaults to like only 1024 - and I seed well over 2K torrents |
| 18:45.17 | Ankman | sponix: later |
| 18:45.27 | duelle | The key item seems to be the ulimit -Hn and the fact that I cannot (easily) change that right now. The only thing that I see right now is a property of the lxc container that says that it is 'unprivileged'. |
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| 18:45.41 | jelly | duelle: "ulimit -Hn" is a red herring. |
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| 18:45.58 | duelle | But I am not sure what value to alter in sysctl if file-max is already that high, though ulimit -Hn being that low.. |
| 18:46.26 | sponix | duelle: aside from this headache. How would you say Proxmox is doing ? |
| 18:46.52 | jelly | duelle: limits imposed on interactive shells are not relevant or important for a service started by systemd |
| 18:47.12 | sponix | duelle: I just use MX Linux for my Host OS, and have a handful of things in full VMware virtual machines |
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| 18:47.33 | duelle | jelly: I see, but apparently this limit seems to be there somehow.. and ulimit is the only place where I found it yet. |
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| 18:48.01 | jelly | duelle: you want to check limits for a running process that is not your bash? cat /proc/PIDHERE/limits |
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| 18:48.44 | sponix | jelly: here is what I had to do to my regular Debian 10 install to make it work. http://sponix.tk/Downloads/HowToBasic/duelle_mariadb_open_files_limit/ It seems what he requires might be something specific to the container itself though unlike a regular Install ;) |
| 18:48.50 | duelle | sponix: I am not a power user, but in general I like it. Some things are a bit tricky (e.g., network setup, forwarding) to get used to, but for easy things and overview, the UI is a nice thing. Many things can be done 'around' the containers in Proxmox graphically (e.g., firewall) which might lead to confusion |
| 18:49.16 | section1 | maybe the host is setting that limit the container process |
| 18:49.32 | section1 | so maybe you need to change the host limits.conf file |
| 18:49.46 | section1 | or something in the host |
| 18:49.53 | section1 | not in the container |
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| 18:50.11 | sponix | section1: yeah, that could be possible for sure. Because the specific number of 4096 he keeps bumping never popped up for me inside my vm |
| 18:50.11 | duelle | jelly: That gives me exactly the said 4096 as soft and hard limit for open files ... |
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| 18:50.39 | section1 | duelle, try that in the host with the pid of the lxd container |
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| 18:50.57 | section1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.04 | jelly | duelle: okay, now, which init system is REALLY running inside this container? cat /proc/1/comm |
| 18:51.05 | sponix | Could the container actually be inheriting this from the Host ? |
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| 18:51.28 | section1 | sure...it a process running |
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| 18:51.33 | section1 | its. |
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| 18:52.51 | duelle | jelly: The host is a debian stretch (9.11) |
| 18:53.03 | duelle | And you were right, the process has the exact limit of 4096 |
| 18:53.12 | duelle | From the viewpoint of the host. |
| 18:53.30 | duelle | For the mysql process |
| 18:53.43 | duelle | jelly: So it's also systemd |
| 18:53.50 | section1 | ok try to change the limits of the host |
| 18:53.59 | Starhowl | Why are there no /etc/rcN.d-folders on my Raspbian? |
| 18:54.08 | greycat | ask #raspbian |
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| 18:56.47 | duelle | section1: Where should I change the limit for the process? |
| 18:57.15 | duelle | sysctl: fs.file-max is at 595726, fs.file-nr is 5664 0 595726 |
| 18:57.41 | section1 | try to add something like : * soft nofile 10000 in limits.conf |
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| 18:57.58 | section1 | restart the container and check the limits of the process |
| 18:57.59 | greycat | What is the goal here, and why are you editing limits.conf? |
| 18:58.13 | section1 | and hard too |
| 18:58.18 | section1 | soft and hard |
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| 18:59.43 | duelle | greycat: Increasing the number of max open files for a lxc container |
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| 19:00.11 | mason | duelle: You're the first person I've ever encountered where that answer hasn't been "Oracle". |
| 19:00.30 | greycat | And you think limits.conf is going to do this? |
| 19:00.47 | greycat | Does the lxc container login on tty1 with a username and password? |
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| 19:01.01 | duelle | section1: I added the lines you mentioned in /etc/security/limits.conf, but still the limits are 4096 |
| 19:01.16 | greycat | because limits.conf has NOTHING to do with resource limits for daemons |
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| 19:01.28 | section1 | duelle, ok :( |
| 19:02.01 | section1 | it depends if the daemon is execute from a shell |
| 19:02.37 | section1 | promox ? |
| 19:02.49 | greycat | One of the main design points of modern system managers (including systemd) is that the variables and resources and privileges and limits of the shell are not propagated into the daemons. |
| 19:03.06 | duelle | greycat: I have a login prompt inside Proxmox UI on tty1, yes |
| 19:03.14 | greycat | But if you're running /usr/sbin/mysqld directly from a shell instead of launching it as a service, then certainly, the shell's settings would play a role. |
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| 19:04.15 | duelle | mason: As a reply to which question? |
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| 19:04.34 | JordiGH | What's the hash in /etc/shadow? |
| 19:04.44 | greycat | Several are possible. |
| 19:04.50 | section1 | i found this : https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/increase-nofile-in-lxc-containers.40236/ |
| 19:05.05 | greycat | shadow(5) says "refer to crypt(3)" |
| 19:05.07 | JordiGH | 6, so that's sha512 |
| 19:05.10 | JordiGH | gg |
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| 19:07.18 | duelle | section1: That seems to have done the trick! I set that setting for that specific container to 102400 and at least the ulimit is at that value now |
| 19:07.43 | section1 | nice |
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| 19:08.10 | duelle | Warning in MariaDB is also gone now.. OMG .. Sorry that I didn't think about mentioning the LXC thing.. |
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| 19:08.26 | duelle | Thanks so much guys section1 greycat sponix jelly |
| 19:09.12 | duelle | Never actually expected this to be such a complicated 'journey' |
| 19:09.17 | Starhowl | How can I find out which init-system is running on my Raspbian? |
| 19:09.39 | greycat | Starhowl: ask #raspbian |
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| 19:10.21 | muhaha | Guys? I want to use KVM/QEMU for pfsense ( guest ). I have board with 3 NICs, how to do it ? Is possible to use direct passtru for NIC directly to the guest? ( DHCP client for ISP ) Other two should be bridged to LAN, with host and another KVMs... |
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| 19:11.12 | karlpinc | duelle: Thing about lxc is that you're running the host kernel. |
| 19:11.20 | karlpinc | duelle: Different from a full vm. |
| 19:13.23 | duelle | Sorry, forgot to mention you too, karlpinc. Yeah, you're right.. I never expected this to go that deep down the rabbit hole.. :/ |
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| 19:18.12 | mason | Starhowl: It's a subset of systemd. |
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| 19:34.50 | sponix | duelle: well glad to see you got it going |
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| 19:43.31 | duelle | sponix: A quite late 'enlightenment' on the source of the issue.. so yeah. |
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| 20:08.32 | B|ack0p | what is happening? |
| 20:08.47 | B|ack0p | ppl joining/quiting for long time but nobody talking |
| 20:08.55 | g105b | I'll talk! |
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| 20:09.05 | B|ack0p | g105b: good then :p |
| 20:09.09 | g105b | I need some help anyway. |
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| 20:09.19 | B|ack0p | my screen was full of join/quit messages |
| 20:09.28 | B|ack0p | :p |
| 20:09.51 | greycat | B|ack0p: we *like* it when it's quiet. Less work for us. |
| 20:09.59 | B|ack0p | g105b: unfortunately i am not good one to get help :/ |
| 20:10.07 | g105b | My Ubuntu desktop (gnome) became unusably slow today for some reason. I assumed it had auto-updated itself or something happened to make it incompatible. I downloaded the latest Debian using my laptop, and went ahead and installed. I chose not to install anything other than default settings. I booted into Debian, and the exact same issue is |
| 20:10.07 | B|ack0p | greycat: i see :) |
| 20:10.07 | g105b | presenting itself. gnome-shell using 100% of all cores. |
| 20:10.22 | B|ack0p | i think i just woke up the room :p |
| 20:10.25 | greycat | ask #ubuntu if you have Ubuntu questions |
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| 20:10.39 | g105b | greycat: read the question |
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| 20:11.22 | g105b | I don't usually use Ubuntu, so I had assumed the problem was Ubuntu-specific, but it's affecting the Debian I know and love. |
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| 20:11.32 | g105b | I just don't know where to start troubleshooting. |
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| 20:16.14 | Ankman | g105b: check the installation log if gnome-shell or other parts of gnome recieved an update yesterday |
| 20:16.22 | Ankman | might be a buggy update then |
| 20:16.35 | hummingbee | start with hardware |
| 20:18.00 | g105b | It feels like it's gnome-shell to blame, because I can boot into Windows just fine. |
| 20:18.11 | karlpinc` | Well, if it is happening on both a desktop and a laptop it is probably not hardware. |
| 20:18.37 | g105b | No sorry it's not happening on laptop - I just used the laptop to download debian, as I couldn't do it from ubuntu (too slow) |
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| 20:19.01 | greycat | *what* is slow? network transfers? disk reads? mouse movement? |
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| 20:19.39 | g105b | greycat: mouse movement. There's no network activity (and it's still slow with ethernet unplugged). No disk activity going on, but 100% usage on all cores by gnome-shell |
| 20:19.55 | g105b | I've removed all hardware that isn't necessary to operate the PC. |
| 20:20.07 | greycat | you ran "top" and it literally shows 4 (or however many) "gnome-shell" processes, each using 100% CPU? |
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| 20:20.17 | g105b | Yes, literally. |
| 20:20.27 | greycat | Fun. Go go gnome. |
| 20:20.34 | livebrain | top gives you other info also |
| 20:20.52 | livebrain | like wa for example |
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| 20:20.56 | towo` | maybe missing hardware acceleration |
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| 20:21.06 | oerheks | top -b -n 1 | head -n 12 |
| 20:21.10 | towo` | gnome shell over llvmpipe is slow as hell |
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| 20:21.34 | g105b | This PC has been running Debian and/or Ubuntu for the last 6 years just fine. |
| 20:22.05 | greycat | A sudden dramatic change without any accompanying software updates is typically hardware failure. |
| 20:22.20 | greycat | Anything interesting in dmesg, log files, etc.? |
| 20:22.27 | livebrain | again top gives you more info |
| 20:22.30 | g105b | It still boots Windows fine, and can cope editing video, etc. in Windows. |
| 20:22.43 | g105b | I am going to perform your suggestions just as soon as the device becomes responsive again. |
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| 20:23.33 | g105b | Oh ok I just managed to boot into "gnome classic" and there is no problem there. |
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| 20:24.03 | towo` | [21:20:56] <towo`> maybe missing hardware acceleration |
| 20:24.11 | towo` | [21:21:10] <towo`> gnome shell over llvmpipe is slow as hell |
| 20:24.27 | g105b | Probably. I've always just let the PC install what it needs because I don't like to tweak things. |
| 20:24.59 | towo` | gnome needs working hardware 3d |
| 20:25.02 | g105b | How would I know about what hardware acceleration it has? I'm a total newbie at hacking desktop OSes. |
| 20:25.15 | towo` | glxinfo | grep OpenG |
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| 20:26.48 | g105b | glxinfo: command not found |
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| 20:27.02 | g105b | apt install glxinfo -- E: Unable to locate package glxinfo |
| 20:27.18 | livebrain | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.18 | greycat | it's in mesa-utils |
| 20:27.21 | livebrain | mesa-utils - Utilitários Mesa GL variados |
| 20:27.31 | livebrain | apt-get install mesa-utils |
| 20:28.06 | g105b | I see renderer string: llbmpipe |
| 20:28.12 | g105b | That sounds like it's what you suggested. |
| 20:28.29 | greycat | Are you trying to repair Ubuntu, or install Debian, right now? |
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| 20:28.57 | g105b | Either. I'm happy with Debian, but I was giving Ubuntu a spin to see what it offered (I'm still unsure). |
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| 20:30.01 | livebrain | you run debian for 6 years as your main system ? |
| 20:30.26 | nikel | hi |
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| 20:30.31 | g105b | Yeah, still do on my laptop. |
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| 20:31.11 | g105b | Just my desktop decided to die today because of gnome-shell. It looks like the cause is due to graphics software taking a hike. |
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| 20:32.07 | g105b | I choose Debian because like a good OS it doesn't require tweaking, or even being aware of it being there. |
| 20:32.30 | B|ack0p | g105b: desktop environments need tweaking |
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| 20:32.42 | teclo- | evening, on my Debian 10.x clean install, I tried to install and enable nullidentd. I did apt install nullidentd and it installed nullidentd, inetd and update-inetd. I edit /etc/inetd.conf to enable and configure nullidentd. But perhaps should I have used the update-inetd command instead... ? |
| 20:32.57 | g105b | Apart from placing my icons where I want them, I pretty much haven't tweaked gnome from however it wanted to install itself many years ago. |
| 20:33.10 | g105b | I'm a fan of defaults. |
| 20:33.30 | B|ack0p | g105b: i like defaults too. |
| 20:33.38 | B|ack0p | but gnome is heavy.. |
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| 20:34.07 | g105b | Understood, but the other DEs I've tried have required hacking to work properly and I have a very low patience for that kind of thing. |
| 20:34.15 | g105b | If I wanted that I'd use Macintosh. |
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| 20:35.04 | B|ack0p | lol g105b right |
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| 20:35.28 | karlpinc | g105b: As far as I can tell what Ubuntu does differently than debian is: Releases more often, so newer stuff. Tries to be "helpful" -- "did you mean to type 'pretzel'?". Breaks more often. |
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| 20:36.10 | g105b | karlpinc yup... that's what I guessed. I'll stick back with Debian because it does less and that's a good thing. |
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| 20:36.36 | g105b | B|ack0p any recommendation of your preferred DE? I realise I've got to pick something other than gnome, as it doesn't work out of the box. |
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| 20:37.17 | B|ack0p | g105b: my favs so far are gnome-classic and Xfce but both have cons and pros |
| 20:37.47 | g105b | I am a big fan of having windows use up all their vertical space, without having menus and title bars taking up an inch at the top. |
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| 20:37.49 | Ankman | g105b: have other desktop managers, like Mate installed? see if the problem ocurs there too |
| 20:37.49 | B|ack0p | i like xfce simplicity but needs too much tweak and i still trying to learn how to do/build |
| 20:38.30 | B|ack0p | g105b: you like Mac like desktop as i see |
| 20:38.59 | g105b | hmm the Macintosh remark was just a quip. |
| 20:39.11 | greycat | g105b: you blew me off. If you are newly installing Debian, and video accel isn't working, it's usually resolvable by installing firmware, or in some cases a driver. |
| 20:39.30 | greycat | g105b: to diagnose this, you start with "lspci -nn" and "dmesg | grep -i firmware" |
| 20:40.26 | g105b | sorry greycat any blowing off was unintentional; very distractable currently |
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| 20:43.23 | B|ack0p | g105b: no quip :p just mac desktop kinda looks like gnome interface :p |
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| 20:44.21 | g105b | meh, defaults :) |
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| 20:44.53 | g105b | I'm trying to figure out your advice greycat, might take me a while because I'm not good at hacking the desktop. Well, successfully. |
| 20:44.58 | nikel | hi there |
| 20:45.20 | greycat | Just paste the output of "lspci -nn" and "dmesg | grep -i firmware" on http://paste.debian.net/ or any other sane paste site. |
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| 20:47.27 | g105b | termbin.com/4osm |
| 20:48.08 | g105b | termbin.com/1irr |
| 20:48.13 | g105b | greycat ^ |
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| 20:48.45 | greycat | ,pciid 10de:13c2 |
| 20:48.46 | judd | [10de:13c2] is 'GM204 [GeForce GTX 970]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:13c2 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 20:50.23 | greycat | I tried "apt-cache search GTX 970" and it says nvidia-legacy-340xx-kernel-dkms (among other things that all contain 340xx) |
| 20:50.31 | greycat | !nvidia dkms |
| 20:50.31 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d && echo -e 'Section "Device"ntIdentifier "My GPU"ntDriver "nvidia"nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Reboot to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
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| 20:50.54 | greycat | Nvidia is not my strong point, but that's probably a good starting point. |
| 20:51.25 | g105b | Thanks greycat I'll prod around and see what works. Can't get it much more wrong than it currently is... |
| 20:51.31 | hummingbee | ... |
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| 20:51.42 | towo` | 970 is not a legacy card |
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| 20:51.53 | towo` | it's supported by the normal nvidia-driver |
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| 20:52.19 | g105b | nvidia-detect tells me to install nvidia-driver |
| 20:52.29 | towo` | exact |
| 20:52.34 | lupine | tell it to eff off |
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| 20:53.10 | somiaj | the package nvidia-driver automoates a bit of that factoid, but I still use the factoid's method. |
| 20:53.21 | greycat | Ah, grep got bogus results, because there's "9700" in some lines and "GTX" in other lines. |
| 20:53.26 | greycat | Nvidia is such a mess. |
| 20:53.28 | bouba | hi all, what the best programme to use for virtualisation in buster plz.? |
| 20:53.38 | greycat | s/grep/apt-cache search/ |
| 20:53.50 | somiaj | yea, ever so often they renumber everything making it more confusing. |
| 20:53.58 | towo` | bouba, qemu |
| 20:54.11 | g105b | I wouldn't have used nvidia if I knew it would be such an issue. |
| 20:54.16 | bouba | towo virt-manager? |
| 20:54.24 | towo` | why? |
| 20:54.28 | towo` | qemu is enought |
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| 20:55.07 | nikel | bye |
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| 20:55.21 | bouba | towo`, you know a best tutorial about qemu and buster? |
| 20:56.03 | towo` | bouba, https://www.qemu.org/documentation/ |
| 20:56.07 | somiaj | bouba: depends on what you want to do, so there is no best. Personally I suggest using libvirt and let it do the heavy lifting. |
| 20:56.15 | teclo- | ok now it works |
| 20:56.17 | somiaj | there are some decent pages on the debian wiki too |
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| 20:56.28 | teclo- | I wasn't using the right syntax:) |
| 20:56.46 | bouba | somiaj, i want to use it for windows 7. |
| 20:56.51 | somiaj | bouba: https://wiki.debian.org/QEMU and https://wiki.debian.org/KVM |
| 20:57.13 | somiaj | bouba: windows 7 as the guest? Again libvirt will do the heavy lifting, I think it even has a preset selection to say 'best options for windows 7' |
| 20:57.19 | karlpinc | bouba: "Best" depends on your situation. |
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| 20:57.24 | bouba | somiaj, but is late with windows 7. |
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| 20:57.40 | somiaj | if you want a gui, virt-managaer allows you to control things via one. |
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| 20:57.58 | somiaj | using qemu and kvm directly is possible, but requires a lot more reading to figure out exactly which flags you need for your setup. |
| 20:58.23 | bouba | somiaj, a have virt-manager installed but is slow with windows 7. |
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| 20:59.11 | somiaj | windows 7 isn't the best to run in a vm, I noticed just switching to windows 10 my vms worked way better. |
| 20:59.36 | somiaj | But make sure you install all the appropriate drivers inside the windows guest, and check the configurations for the windows 7 guest under the vm. |
| 21:00.44 | bouba | ok i go to read about virt-manager. but before in virtualbox windows7 worked fastely "exuse my bad english". |
| 21:01.12 | somiaj | virtualbox just handels windows guests better, though with windows 10 I noticed less of a diffrence myself. |
| 21:01.39 | somiaj | but there are drivers, settings you can do to speed things up. Also depends on what you are doing with the guest. |
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| 21:02.51 | somiaj | though my experience is I tried to run windows 7 in a vm multiple times and it was always a pain. Then I got a version of windows 10 from work, and it just worked way better in a vm, I think there are a lot of imporvments on the windows side to run in a vm better. |
| 21:03.55 | bouba | ok thx 4 the informations. |
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| 21:14.13 | deadrom | hi |
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| 21:14.48 | deadrom | home server with raid 5 crashed, broken psu, replaced, comes up: one drive missing. can't tell which one physically. ideas? |
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| 21:15.36 | deadrom | would stop md1 and pluck one by one following dmseg, but system won't let me stop md1, says some process holds it, but not which. stopped NFS server, wouldn't know what else is holding it |
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| 21:15.45 | deadrom | wait, untrue, samba.. |
| 21:15.45 | wsky | well, you could always check serial numbers on the drive stickers and ask sdparm or hdparm or smartctl for the info |
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| 21:16.44 | deadrom | probably what I'm gonna do |
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| 21:40.53 | raidghost | deadrom: raid 6 next time |
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| 21:45.40 | deadrom | raidghost: hum? |
| 21:45.56 | deadrom | the array assembles, but a drive is missing |
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| 21:46.33 | wsky | is it software or hardware raid? |
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| 21:49.35 | wsky | i guess mdadm should tell you which port the screwed drive is plugged in |
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| 21:49.51 | wsky | but i haven't ran raid in years |
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| 21:52.41 | deadrom | wsky: mdadm raid indeed |
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| 21:52.57 | deadrom | I think it's more a missing drive that isnt powered up |
| 21:53.12 | wsky | mdadm tools probably should point you the dead port the drive is plugged in |
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| 21:56.56 | Kobaz | how might i dpkg install and skip pre/post init |
| 21:57.12 | deadrom | Kobaz: dload deb, extract, copy manually |
| 21:57.24 | Kobaz | that's what i normally do... no nifty way |
| 21:57.24 | Kobaz | aww |
| 21:57.43 | Kobaz | --skip-pre-init or something would be nice |
| 21:57.45 | somiaj | Kobaz: really sounds like an xy problem, why do you want to skip these scripts, they are often important. |
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| 21:57.58 | deadrom | wsky: can't see such an option. the fun continues: those are toshiba-relabeled hitachis and the SN on the labels dont match the smartctl SN |
| 21:58.05 | Kobaz | pre init is failing, because i have a custom setup for this particular package |
| 21:58.06 | waterfilter | Hey guys, was wondering if anyone has any info on migrating rsa/dsa host keys from an old kernel (2.4.X) to new kernel (4.9.X), works fine when kernels are similar, but the old one is returning a different fingerprint despite priv/pub being identical |
| 21:58.11 | Kobaz | and i'm in the middle of breaking stuff |
| 21:58.27 | wsky | deadrom: well lol |
| 21:58.29 | somiaj | Kobaz: I sometimes just edit the script in /var/lib/dpkg/info and add an exit 0 to the top if I don't want to fix why it is failing |
| 21:58.33 | Kobaz | right |
| 21:58.36 | Kobaz | yeah i do that too |
| 21:58.56 | somiaj | Kobaz: so you could dpkg --unpack (unpack the package), add exit 0 to the top of the scripts, then dpkg --configure |
| 21:59.04 | deadrom | wsky: what I could do: pluck them one by one, but I cannot stop the darn array |
| 21:59.59 | somiaj | Kobaz: but in general one shouldn't be skipping these scripts, so that to me is strong argument not to include such an option. |
| 22:00.04 | wsky | look into mdadm documentation, i'm 99.99% certail there is a tool included that tell you which port has a dead drive |
| 22:00.11 | greycat | Kobaz: oh, so it's NOT that you want to "skip this and that", before installing. You *have* installed it. That makes it so much simpler. Just edit the failing script in place on disk (exit 0 as pointed out) and dpkg --configure the thing. |
| 22:00.11 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 22:00.13 | wsky | certain* |
| 22:00.32 | Kobaz | well, in this case it's not installed |
| 22:00.43 | Kobaz | and the pre init/etc gets extracted and run every time |
| 22:00.44 | greycat | You ran "apt-get foo" and it put the files in place, yes? |
| 22:00.48 | Kobaz | right |
| 22:00.52 | somiaj | Kobaz: hence the unpack it first suggestion |
| 22:00.55 | greycat | So you can edit the script in situ. |
| 22:00.56 | Kobaz | i have the .deb in cache |
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| 22:01.00 | Kobaz | right |
| 22:01.03 | Kobaz | unpack and configure |
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| 22:01.29 | Kobaz | yeah there's some sort of other script running |
| 22:01.38 | Kobaz | Preparing to unpack slapd_2.4.44+dfsg-5+deb9u1~bpo8+1_i386.deb ... Saving current slapd configuration to /var/backups/slapd-2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u |
| 22:01.44 | Kobaz | there's like a post-unpack script or something? |
| 22:02.02 | greycat | oh, we have a package name finally |
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| 22:02.16 | greycat | and it's.. stretch |
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| 22:02.31 | Kobaz | greycat: yeah sorry |
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| 22:03.01 | Kobaz | okay well |
| 22:03.04 | Kobaz | i made it easy on myself |
| 22:03.16 | Kobaz | i unbroke everything, put it back to normal and whatever scripts wanted to run now ran |
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| 22:03.24 | Kobaz | it's upgraded now, i can continue breaking things |
| 22:03.25 | greycat | https://sources.debian.org/src/openldap/2.4.44+dfsg-5+deb9u3/debian/ says what scripts it ships: postinst, postrm, preinst, prerm |
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| 22:03.38 | JordiGH | I'm about fed up with Firefox crashing. What are my options to get a different Firefox version on stable? |
| 22:03.46 | Kobaz | i basically did return 0 on all of them, and something was still running |
| 22:04.08 | somiaj | JordiGH: you can download the precompiled binary from mozilla |
| 22:04.14 | deadrom | wsky: found it. sdf is "non-fresh" |
| 22:04.24 | somiaj | JordiGH: put it in $HOME somewhere, it runs just fine, it is mostly statically linked |
| 22:04.33 | deadrom | took me ages. 3 arrays with mmixed ports is too frigging much |
| 22:04.39 | JordiGH | somiaj: Hmmm... |
| 22:05.02 | JordiGH | Don't they bundle crapware with it? |
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| 22:05.11 | somiaj | JordiGH: I think it can even update itself in place if you want to keep up with the current firefox version from mozilla. You could also download their -esr binary. |
| 22:05.13 | greycat | or in /opt, because bloating your $HOME with huge packages is weird |
| 22:05.22 | deadrom | needs to have better backups |
| 22:05.28 | somiaj | JordiGH: I'm unsure what the differences are, so I can't tell you what crapware they also include. |
| 22:05.47 | wsky | deadrom: cool beans |
| 22:05.51 | JordiGH | Oh well, let's see. Desperate times. |
| 22:06.19 | somiaj | JordiGH: there are some firefox clones that are supose to be nice without crapware you could try. |
| 22:06.29 | somiaj | JordiGH: palemoon is one, though I don't like the developers so I wouldn't use it myself. |
| 22:06.48 | somiaj | JordiGH: you could also try icecat -- it is supose to remove all the crapware and branding from firefox |
| 22:07.00 | greycat | I have a copy of pale moon for a very specific site that only works correctly with old firefox or with Windows crap. |
| 22:07.49 | JordiGH | ;_; |
| 22:07.54 | JordiGH | What a dilemma, I don't know what to do. |
| 22:08.03 | JordiGH | I use the Debian version because I trust Debian more than Mozilla. |
| 22:08.21 | annadane | there isn't really crapware in debian AFAIK other than pocket which esr 60 in stable also has |
| 22:08.21 | JordiGH | But the frequent crashes are getting really annoying. |
| 22:08.29 | JordiGH | And I seem to be the only Debian user who is getting them. |
| 22:08.31 | annadane | i can't use debian's firefox, too many extensions don't work |
| 22:08.39 | annadane | errr |
| 22:08.42 | annadane | crapware in firefox* |
| 22:08.56 | JordiGH | annadane: Eh? |
| 22:09.10 | annadane | what about that didn't you understand? |
| 22:09.19 | somiaj | JordiGH: have you tried a new profile or new user with out any extensions? |
| 22:09.30 | deadrom | mdadm: --re-add for /dev/sdf1 to /dev/md1 is not possible <--- but why? |
| 22:09.38 | somiaj | JordiGH: make sure it isn't something in your $HOME or user profile causing problems? |
| 22:09.45 | mason | deadrom: What's the actual error message? |
| 22:09.56 | deadrom | mason: that's all it says |
| 22:10.01 | JordiGH | somiaj: That's no solution. |
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| 22:10.17 | somiaj | JordiGH: but if you trust the gnu people, icecat might work for you better than mozilla |
| 22:10.21 | JordiGH | somiaj: I'm not gonna be browsing with a crippled firefox for an indefinite amount of time just to make sure the blame is on me and not on Firefox. |
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| 22:10.44 | JordiGH | The crashing is unpredictable. |
| 22:11.03 | somiaj | JordiGH: Yea, it is more a way to track down why it is crashing for you, but that would be a pain to test if it is rare and unpredictable. |
| 22:11.33 | JordiGH | A sample of the bug report: https://jordi.platinum.edu.pl/piccies/Screenshot.png |
| 22:11.57 | JordiGH | somiaj: That's not going to help either. "It's my homedir". Great, what do I do with that information? |
| 22:12.16 | JordiGH | Also, there's no way to figure out what a "good" status is by this method. Sometimes I can go many hours without a crash. |
| 22:12.49 | somiaj | JordiGH: you can move the .mozilla, and anyother stuff, start with a blank profile/configuration in the $HOME dir, though this requires reconfiguring things. |
| 22:13.30 | JordiGH | somiaj: Far more inconvenient than just trying another Firefox. And there's no limit to the length of time of each test. Nor even any guarantee that the crashing is caused by my homedir. |
| 22:13.45 | JordiGH | The number of tests is also huge. My config is large. |
| 22:13.50 | somiaj | A blank user is just easier to me than tracking down all the files that get hidden in $HOME, but I think ~/.mozzila and ~/.cache/mozilla are the main ones. |
| 22:13.57 | JordiGH | jordi@chloe:~$ du -hs .mozilla/ |
| 22:13.58 | JordiGH | 358M.mozilla/ |
| 22:14.08 | JordiGH | Who knows which of those half billion bytes is to blame. |
| 22:15.04 | JordiGH | The only thing I can tell you is that it always seems to crash on keyboard input. |
| 22:15.08 | JordiGH | I think. |
| 22:15.15 | JordiGH | Well, I can also show you some crash reports. |
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| 22:15.41 | JordiGH | But the caveman method of "durr no config" is not gonna lead any useful information. |
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| 22:17.54 | deadrom | wsky, mason: --re-add only work if event counter of the missing disk is close enough. if not (which at 28 events seems to be enough to throw it off) you need to run --add and do a full recovery. which I'm doing now. on 7 year old disks. wish me luck. |
| 22:18.04 | deadrom | damn they need to go |
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| 22:19.32 | wsky | that whole rebranding thing is sketchy and worrysome |
| 22:19.53 | wsky | sounds like you went all cheap-skate or got riped off |
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| 22:28.24 | mason | deadrom: Ah. :( Sorry to hear it. |
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| 22:29.25 | deadrom | mason: well, so far the array assembles with one missing disk and the data is intact, so fingers cross that 16TB SAS I'm eyeing is in the black friday rotation :D |
| 22:29.55 | wsky | well done raid |
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| 22:30.49 | mason | deadrom: There's always ZFS. |
| 22:31.29 | deadrom | mason: ah, ZFS... nah. needs tons of RAM to perform and the gods knows what happens should the server crash and lose the RAM content |
| 22:31.47 | deadrom | UPS mandatory |
| 22:32.00 | deadrom | well - -its good to have one anyway, yes |
| 22:32.03 | Kobaz | haha |
| 22:32.06 | Kobaz | yeah zfs hmm |
| 22:32.10 | Kobaz | i've had some bad experiences |
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| 22:32.22 | Kobaz | btrfs on the other hand has been amazlorblating |
| 22:32.35 | Kobaz | i've had data loss with zfs and never with btrfs |
| 22:32.40 | Kobaz | (raid-1 btrfs) |
| 22:32.56 | mason | deadrom: You might have some misconceptions about ZFS, but I won't try to sway you I guess. |
| 22:33.15 | deadrom | mason: I gladly learn. |
| 22:33.18 | Kobaz | i had literally the worse case possible event happen... i was doing a zfs device migration from a smaller drive to a larger drive and the machine crashed in the middle |
| 22:33.32 | mason | Kobaz: Which ZFS was it? |
| 22:33.49 | Kobaz | so after boot, it couln't use the larger drive because the larger drive was actually bad (bad sectors) and then the smaller drive was getting kicked out because the metadata of the pool was already updated |
| 22:34.05 | Kobaz | you can't go back in size with zfs |
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| 22:34.15 | Kobaz | mason: whatever was in freebsd 8 |
| 22:34.20 | mason | Kobaz: That's odd in that you can't change the shape.... ah |
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| 22:34.31 | Kobaz | yeah going smaller is specifically NOT supported in zfs |
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| 22:34.57 | Kobaz | so what I did. was use dd, and a hex editor to change the 6 copies of the zfs disk label and put the old uuid back in the smaller drive |
| 22:35.00 | mason | So, raidz1 or something and you swapped a vdev, only it was bad? |
| 22:35.01 | Kobaz | and then i got it to mount |
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| 22:35.21 | mason | s/vdev/drive/ |
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| 22:35.28 | Kobaz | yeah raidz... i was swapping out a physical device |
| 22:35.49 | mason | You should have been able to just detach that and re-attach the old one as a new disk. |
| 22:35.50 | Kobaz | AND, there are ZERO zfs offline recovery tools (as far as i know) |
| 22:36.03 | Kobaz | "zfs doesn't need recovery tools, it has scrub!" |
| 22:36.24 | Kobaz | well what if your fscking pool doesn't mount. the docs say: pool doesn't mount? destroy the pool and restore from backup |
| 22:36.29 | Kobaz | so, i'm done with zfs |
| 22:36.32 | mason | hah |
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| 22:36.48 | annadane | but the bsd people say zfs is the best thing since sliced bread! |
| 22:37.06 | mason | I make it a rule to only use raidz2 or mirrors here - raidz1 is as enticing as raid5. |
| 22:37.14 | mason | annadane: It is better than sliced bread. |
| 22:37.16 | annadane | (bsd licensed bread, you're free to include your bread in proprietary applications) |
| 22:37.17 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 22:37.22 | Kobaz | and never change the size of your pool |
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| 22:37.38 | mason | Kobaz: Well. It's easy enough to stack mirrors. But yes, plan ahead. |
| 22:37.40 | Kobaz | well you can add to it... but don't upgrade in-place, that's dangerous |
| 22:38.03 | lupine | copyfarleft > copyleft < bsd/etc |
| 22:38.12 | Kobaz | where btrfs on the other hand has waaaaaaaay more flexability for issues |
| 22:38.23 | mason | lupine: Altruistic freedom vs freedom with a stick! |
| 22:38.50 | Kobaz | i MUCH prefer a system that might have bugs, or even blatently states they have bugs, with ample recovery tools, versus something that's supposed to be 'rock solid' with no recovery tools |
| 22:39.11 | annadane | what do you prefer? |
| 22:39.14 | Kobaz | btrfs |
| 22:39.15 | annadane | presumably not btrfs |
| 22:39.17 | annadane | lol |
| 22:39.19 | annadane | okay. |
| 22:39.22 | annadane | fair enough |
| 22:39.25 | Kobaz | heh |
| 22:39.36 | lupine | mason: freedom for everyone except capitalists is my preference |
| 22:39.41 | mason | See, if you stuck with trashing ZFS you could aspire to credibility, but to trust BtrFS... =cough= :) |
| 22:39.45 | Kobaz | i use it in production all over the place |
| 22:40.02 | lupine | I ran btrfs at PiB scale |
| 22:40.07 | lupine | it's fine, if you ignore the fancy features |
| 22:40.13 | lupine | let the block layer handle block stuff |
| 22:40.30 | ryouma | is it that reliable?! |
| 22:40.33 | whislock | No. |
| 22:40.37 | Kobaz | mason: i'm not trashing it specifically, just telling some horror stories, and some reasons to be cautious. it's not a one-size-fits-all solution |
| 22:41.06 | mason | Kobaz: It requires some planning, and I've seen bugs in both ZOL and FreeBSD around pool upgrades recently, so sure. |
| 22:41.15 | mason | I've never hit one, but they exist. |
| 22:41.23 | Kobaz | yeap |
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| 22:41.36 | Kobaz | just like gcc... you need to be an extra special user to hit a gcc bug |
| 22:42.18 | annadane | bsd is super interesting and i'm very interested by it all but i do like the creature comforts of linux software |
| 22:42.45 | Kobaz | yeap, same boat |
| 22:43.04 | Kobaz | i see a new freebsd and i'm like woah i need to get that and check it out... and then i do and i'm like ugh i wish this was more like linux |
| 22:43.30 | mason | My next experiment will involve OmniOS. |
| 22:44.39 | Kobaz | mmm |
| 22:44.42 | Kobaz | omni looks bsd-ish |
| 22:44.55 | Kobaz | oh it runs sunos |
| 22:45.15 | Kobaz | so it's like new-school opensolaris |
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| 22:45.30 | ryouma | sunos is bsd old school |
| 22:45.36 | ryouma | solaris was sysv |
| 22:45.51 | ryouma | (back when they changed the name) |
| 22:46.08 | Kobaz | i tried opensolaris when it first came out with zfs and i was all excited to use zfs because it didn't exist in freebsd yet |
| 22:46.18 | Kobaz | and i couldn't get my raid card recognized, so that ended quickly |
| 22:46.26 | mason | Illumos just picked up OpenZFS native encryption, and that's big since Solaris doesn't stack block layers. |
| 22:46.42 | mason | Now I just wait for the OmniOS bootloader to learn about it. |
| 22:47.05 | mason | But I'm only mildly less off-topic than if I were talking about grooming my dog, so I'll go read. |
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| 22:48.14 | annadane | i'm very noob but linux to me feels like the old adage "easy things easy, hard things possible" and bsd is "must have extensive knowledge in astrophysics before use" |
| 22:48.30 | annadane | maybe openbsd less so but that comes with its own caveats like not being able to use anything |
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| 22:48.48 | Kobaz | annadane: meh, not really |
| 22:48.52 | whislock | I guess I'm fortunate in that I'm very familiar with BSD. |
| 22:49.02 | Kobaz | annadane: bsd has 'the way'... basically follow the handbook and you're good |
| 22:49.11 | annadane | yeah, i know. |
| 22:49.12 | Kobaz | if you like linux, that means you don't like the handbook and you want to to it YOUR way |
| 22:49.25 | Kobaz | doing it YOUR way doesn't compute with the bsd way |
| 22:49.34 | Kobaz | just a thing to get used to |
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| 22:50.43 | Kobaz | like it drove me insane to no end that they still used CVS for ports, it was so slow... so things turn around, it's much better now |
| 22:51.17 | annadane | i don't mind reading but i do mind when it's like hey, it doesn't even come with xorg by default, you have to do everything manually |
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| 22:51.27 | annadane | "just use trueos" yeah, but... |
| 22:51.47 | annadane | i'm kind of rambling |
| 22:52.23 | Kobaz | freebsd does have a cool mascot |
| 22:52.35 | annadane | secondary computer to tinker on? sure, then i'll have fun with it, but i need to do my computing now |
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| 22:54.39 | annadane | i can figure things out, i just don't want my first experience with something unfamiliar to be being stuck on the blinking command line of doom |
| 22:55.22 | annadane | with that being said there's a lot of similarities that i can sort of struggle along, but there's also things not present in bsd that i'd miss |
| 22:55.50 | Kobaz | weird issue |
| 22:55.56 | Kobaz | apt-get source openldap/jessie-backports |
| 22:56.05 | Kobaz | it downloaded 2.4.47+dfsg-3+deb10u1 which is stretch-backports/main |
| 22:56.16 | annadane | i think jessie backports was discontinued |
| 22:56.18 | Kobaz | apt-policy.... *** 2.4.44+dfsg-5+deb9u1~bpo8+1 0 100 http://archive.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports/main i386 Packages |
| 22:56.21 | Kobaz | yeah it all is |
| 22:56.30 | Kobaz | just wondering why apt-source got the wrong thing |
| 22:57.42 | bluejaypop | something weird is happening with my openssl package, but I'm not sure if some package I installed replaced the original package from debian, I did a openssl version -a and I got this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QyzwF8vdpz/ |
| 22:57.48 | bluejaypop | someone had the same problem ? |
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| 23:03.16 | deadrom | does SAS still have an advantage over sATA? |
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| 23:04.43 | Kobaz | more the hardware vs the protocol |
| 23:04.49 | Kobaz | sas is generally high performance spinners |
| 23:06.39 | deadrom | does it give me an advantage in drive reliability? |
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| 23:08.34 | Kobaz | depends on the hardware |
| 23:08.43 | Kobaz | it's like saying, is a dell more reliable than hp |
| 23:08.50 | Kobaz | it depends what's inside |
| 23:08.52 | deadrom | Seagate Exos X X16 16TB ST16000NM001G and the SAS variant ST16000NM002G differ in almost nothing apart from the interface and roughly cost the same, 20 bucks difference for sata |
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| 23:09.34 | deadrom | both 2.5mil hours mtbf, both 5 years warranty... |
| 23:09.36 | Kobaz | that's going to be more of an interface difference |
| 23:09.47 | Kobaz | you won't necessarily get anything better in sas vs sata |
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| 23:10.06 | deadrom | hmmm. so I can spare me the extra controller. |
| 23:10.44 | deadrom | today's onboard sata controller are pretty reliable, so I won't get much gain in the SAS thing I got lying here. plus it's an elderly sas 3gb/s |
| 23:10.46 | Kobaz | honestly i would get one of the good ones listed here with low failures: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-q1-2019/ |
| 23:10.58 | Kobaz | depends what you're doing |
| 23:11.38 | adanisch | What's up guys |
| 23:11.46 | deadrom | storing lots of videos, photos, music, documents on it and regularly backup |
| 23:11.55 | deadrom | so it will be a media vault mostly |
| 23:12.09 | Kobaz | if those things are important, do some raid, and set up another one offsite as a backup |
| 23:12.21 | Kobaz | 12tb is a lot to lose on one drive |
| 23:12.25 | Kobaz | 16 rather.. |
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| 23:12.37 | Kobaz | on those other ones you mentioned |
| 23:13.12 | deadrom | I got 6x3TB raid 5 with effectively 14TB now. so I'd like to go 16TB and use that server as rsync backup, which can run once a week overnight. |
| 23:13.23 | sponix | Hello Debianites |
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| 23:13.51 | nerdboy | howdy, i'm trying to figure out a packaging conundrum |
| 23:14.04 | deadrom | is it me or does Seagate really not look good in that report? |
| 23:14.23 | adanisch | Most hard drive mft's advertise their max writes, but don't actually stop anywhere and let the drive fail naturally. Raid5 is a good idea. |
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| 23:15.07 | nerdboy | one source builds 2 bin pkgs which should provide the same "thing" and conflict with other, each gets slightly different build flags and pkg name |
| 23:15.33 | deadrom | raid 6 is a good idea. but only as backup. the idea is: let the big single disk on and tell that machine to wake up the backup server sunday nights, rsync, shut it down again |
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| 23:16.44 | nerdboy | should that be done using build profile/extension namespace or is that not the "right way"? |
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| 23:17.30 | nerdboy | build both pkgs by default is fine as long as the right makeflags get applied to each one |
| 23:17.51 | nerdboy | seems like there should be an easy way to do that but i'm not seeing it... |
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| 23:21.14 | nerdboy | no takers? |
| 23:21.55 | adanisch | I was looking to package up some software myself but I found a link to a site and saw the DUST, now I'm not sure |
| 23:22.23 | N4ch0m4n | hi |
| 23:22.49 | adanisch | Hey N4ch0m4n |
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| 23:24.05 | adanisch | Here's the software, if anyone wants to give it try - it's a quick awk-based filename colorizer think ls --color on steroids. https://github.com/AdamDanischewski/cf/ |
| 23:24.41 | jim | nerdboy, would the resulting package get into debian? |
| 23:25.04 | jim | or is it mostly just for convenience? |
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| 23:36.44 | somiaj | adanisch: how does it determine color, does it do more than just file extensions? |
| 23:38.36 | somiaj | adanisch: as in, could you do what you are doing with dircolors and a nicely defined dircolors file? |
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| 23:43.48 | adanisch | Hi somiaj, what I'm doing is a bit more elaborate. It determines colors based on file extension name lookups in the system-wide config or user config (if it exists). The special formatting found in ls -F (classify) is supported so you can mimick most of what ls --color does if you wanted. |
| 23:44.26 | adanisch | It's got a deb installer if you want to try it out, it's really difficult to stop using once you get used to it. |
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| 23:48.36 | nerdboy | jim: this is mainly for testing right now |
| 23:50.05 | nerdboy | i just got an obsolete syntax error using !<pkg.$sourcepackage.$anything> |
| 23:50.18 | jim | nerdboy, ok... there are two channels on irc.oftc.net that you might want to get to know... one, is #packaging, where you can get help with packaging issues whether the package would go into debian or not |
| 23:50.32 | nerdboy | is there a new syntax for inhibiting one package? |
| 23:51.22 | jim | nerdboy, the other chaannel is #mentors, and it's similar, but it's for helping with packaging, for packages which will go into debian |
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| 23:54.27 | Unit193 | nerdboy: It looks like you're talking about build profiles, something like https://sources.debian.org/src/charybdis/4.1.2-1/debian/control/#L12 ? |
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| 23:55.33 | somiaj | adanisch: ahh yea, I just use my own custom .dircolors file and ls --color, but it only works on extensions, it doesn't do anything with file or lookups for more complicated things. Though I think you can get some slighty more complicated things from it. |
| 23:56.00 | somiaj | jim: #debian-mentors I belive, not #mentors |
| 23:56.43 | Unit193 | Correct. |
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| 23:57.59 | nerdboy | thanks, that example was helpful... i think i got what i need for now |
| 23:58.48 | nerdboy | Unit193: ^^ |
| 23:59.02 | jim | somiaj, but #packaging? |
| 23:59.03 | Unit193 | nerdboy: One can also disable binary packages and change build rules (as also seen in chary) |
| 23:59.06 | Unit193 | jim: Yes. |
| 23:59.33 | jim | ok, good to know |
| 23:59.50 | jim | (I think I tried to join #mentors there) |
