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00:03.48gunix_Hi, I want to create a custom distro (not live). I am using Debian based OS (Pardus), is there any simple way to modify .iso file? Just an example: I want to remove firefox browser from .iso and add Chromium. Thanks..
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00:08.11somiaj!based on debian
00:08.11dpkgYour distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian.  We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/).  #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users.  Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
00:08.30somiajgunix_: I don't know the best place for your question, but in general we don't support anything based on debian.
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00:13.31gunix_It's pure debian, there is just language modifications. So my question is I'm using Debian, I want to create a custom distro (not live). Is there any simple way to modify .iso file? Just an example: I want to remove firefox browser from .iso and add Chromium. Thank you again..
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00:18.32ayekatgunix_: from a quick $searchengine search... https://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD maybe?
00:19.44ayekatthen again, that's debian - we can't tell if it applies to your distro (because your question makes little sense in the debian context)
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00:21.44gunix_@ayekat I searched it but the results are difficult to understand for me (I am newbie). Anyway, thank you for your help, I will try.
00:23.46ayekatthe results are probably difficult to understand because again it has little to do with debian, so you'll hardly find any useful information on your problem
00:27.00RoyKgunix_: why do you want to create a new iso file?
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00:29.38annadanecan this be covered via preseeding?
00:30.08ayekatI'll wildly guess and assume that their distro provides a "Try it out!" live system with a DE and everything (similar to the Ubuntu ISO), and they want to change the setting there
00:30.29ayekat(hard to tell/verify, because the website appears to be all in turkish)
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00:31.49RoyKannadane: probably - I've never tried preseeding myself, but I don't see why it shouldn't work. I was thinking in the direction of an ansible playbook after installing, but preseed would probably be better
00:33.36gunix_we have more than 150 computers in lab (different hardware), we need to use some specific programs and manual installation is not good for my health. I made a bash script for it but I don't want to wait installation progress after OS installation.
00:34.06ayekatso you don't actually want to modify the ISO, you just want to change the default selection of packages that get installed?
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00:35.02RoyK!ansible
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00:35.07ayekat(this feels like a textbook example of an XY problem)
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00:36.03RoyKayekat: I'd use ansible for that, but then, preseed might also work, I just haven't used it yet
00:36.47ayekatI'd use meta-packages, but to each their own - config management tools like ansible are probably fine too (especially in an environment with 150 computers)
00:37.32ayekatbetter: use preseeding to set up the systems such that you can take over with ansible to configure/install the rest :-)
00:37.49ayekat(ideal: combine with PXE)
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00:38.53RoyKayekat++
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00:41.13gunix_@ayekat I want to install programs that are not in the package manager so I think I have to modify .iso for this.
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00:42.11mutantegunix_: i'd use puppet
00:42.53mutantejust like ansible it is made to solve this problem. lots of computers, different roles, install software depending on role.
00:43.17ayekatgunix_: then I'd create packages for them - and modifying the ISO is really not a very elegant approach, because the ISO only covers the installation
00:43.22mutantecreating new .iso's isn't the scalable solution for this i think
00:43.41ayekatyou'll likely want a solution that allows you to configure and setup and change the systems also after you're done with the installation
00:43.56RoyKpuppet, ansible, chef, whatever - choose one you like. I prefer ansible.
00:44.24mutanteyea, one of those. configuration management is what you want for exactly this situation
00:47.15gunix_Thank you @ayekat, @RoyK, @mutante, @annadane. I'll look at your solution suggestions.
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00:58.52gunix_Thank you ayekat, RoyK, mutante, annadane. I'll look at your solution suggestions.
00:59.23gunix_Thank you ayekat-RoyK-mutante-annadane. I'll look at your solution suggestions.
01:00.06ayekatÓ_ô
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01:01.18annadaneugh multiple pings
01:01.20annadanestahp
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01:01.42annadanealso i love not helping yet somehow still getting thanked
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01:06.57RoyKannadane: hehe
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01:15.35ZaZaGXso i did this
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01:15.44ZaZaGXhow do i check it is blacklisted?
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01:19.05oxekOn debian 10, what program is responsible for resolving DNS, and which tool do I use to configure it?
01:19.14oxekis it systemd-resolvd?
01:19.20oxekor NetworkManager?
01:19.23oxekor dhcpd?
01:19.30oxekthey all seem to be able to do stuff with DNS
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01:28.03oxekhas anyone alerted debian maintainers of VNC programs about this https://ics-cert.kaspersky.com/reports/2019/11/22/vnc-vulnerability-research/ ?
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01:48.36RoyKhrmf - how do I configure systemd-resolved to add a 'search' line to /etc/resolv.conf ?
01:48.47RoyKI'm on buster
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02:08.39jimRoyK, apt install resolvconf
02:09.10jimthen /etc/network/interfaces has new syntax
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02:18.45tdsRoyK: did you get that working in the end? if not, is this a desktop install or not?
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02:23.59RoyKtds: server
02:24.29tdsdid you manually install systemd-resolved? how are you doing your network config etc?
02:25.19RoyKsystemd-resolved is installed - network config is in /etc/network/interfaces
02:25.23derpadmingot systemd-resolvd working RoyK
02:25.40derpadminthanks to the arch linux tutorial
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02:27.00RoyKseems installing resolvconf did it - configuring systemd-resolvd didn't
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02:27.09derpadminso you have the choice to use systemd-resolvd or good ol' resolv.conf
02:27.56derpadminvi /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
02:28.08RoyKthat was my first attempt - didn't work
02:28.12derpadminput your search domain here ^
02:28.16derpadminwait :)
02:28.21derpadminsystemctl start systemd-resolved.service
02:28.30derpadmindig +short @127.0.0.53 google.ca A
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02:28.40derpadminmv /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf.bak
02:28.47derpadminln -sf /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf
02:28.53derpadminsystemctl restart systemd-resolved.service
02:29.06derpadminthis works for me
02:29.28derpadminsystemd-resolvd is listening on 127.0.0.53:53
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02:31.04RoyKderpadmin: it doesn't work - resolvconf does
02:32.04derpadminyou did the symlink?
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02:32.14derpadminsystemd-resolvd is started?
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02:32.35derpadminI am on buster as well...
02:32.59tdsresolved is only particularly useful if you want a caching/validating stub resolver, or if you're using some other network manager (eg networkmanager, systemd-networkd) to push config to it over dbus
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02:33.18tdsif you're using /etc/network/interfaces, that's just plain old ifupdown, easy option is to just write resolv.conf manually
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02:33.43derpadminyup, I am just trying to stop hating systemd
02:33.47derpadminand using it
02:33.50derpadmin:)
02:33.58RoyKit's rather confusing how several services compete
02:33.59derpadminmy resolv.conf was manual
02:34.23derpadminRoyK : yes
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02:34.35derpadminnever found the utility to resolvconf
02:34.51derpadminand I won't use systemd-resolvd either
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04:40.48eightyonehi debian
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04:55.30violentEI think I really messed up this time. I have a fresh debian 10 install with nonfree firmware. On install everything was fine, and had internet connection without issue. Then suddenly I lost connection. After restarting somethings, I realise that while I was connected to the network (this is all via ethernet) I couldn't resolve domains. I never actually learned the real way to solve this problem except to add 8.8.8.8 to /etc/resolv.conf
04:55.30violentEso I poked around and messed things up further and no I can't even ping 8.8.8.8 all it says is: Destination Host Unreachable. Please help. I have three ethernet ports and one isn't even recognized, and while I was messing around I changed the mac address around (thats when I noticed this new error)
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05:23.25violentEI got it nvm
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05:46.55skylineHello, World!
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05:52.13eightyonehello skyline
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06:04.53skylineHello eightyone
06:06.46skylineI've spent the last five hours trying to figure out how to partition a usb for a persistent live drive of Parrot OS! I just start a pot of coffee and am bunking in for the night on this issue... :)
06:07.34skylineAny info you could sent would be greatly appreciated
06:13.28maqrskyline: you figure it out?
06:13.30eightyoneoh wow skyline. i wish you the best.
06:13.57eightyoneim new to this all. i havent done a persistent usb. do you mean that it will save your data in a persistant live way?
06:16.23maqrskyline: 1 ntfs partition (first) if you want generic storage, then 1 fat32 partition for boot stuff, then however you want to do persistence (another partition or a file or whatever, doesn't matter once you're booting), use something like this for your menuentry then https://paste.debian.net/1117528/
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06:22.24skyline@maqr, no not yet
06:22.39skyline@eightyone yes
06:24.18skyline@maqr I could make the whole drive in fat32, fuse the iso then resize that partition and creat the ext4 for the live partition
06:27.03maqrskyline: i'm not sure how boot on usb without grub works, but maybe?
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06:29.06skylineits basically where you install a bootable usb that loads into memory. Just change the boot order and wahla Operating System of choice. :)
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06:37.58Dibejzerhi
06:38.00skyline@maqr  I'm not to familiar with grub, i thought that it was only needed to load from an HDD or SSD
06:38.44eightyonei cant figure out the efi/boot stuff for the life of me. i think my brain is damaged and unable to comprehend it
06:39.01eightyonebeen dual booting mac/linux lately
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11:43.10mase-techHi
11:43.21mase-techI have a question about mx linux
11:43.39mase-techare questions related to that distro allowed ?
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12:04.34abrotmanmase-tech: you could perhaps try ##linux
12:05.10srgeddoes anyone know if my config file is correct for unattended updates?   https://paste.debian.net/1117550/
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12:08.40mase-techsolved problem
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12:10.50srgedcan anyone help me with unattended upgrades ?
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12:17.46abrotmansrged: it seems fine, but it's easily validated
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12:22.50goody7hi
12:23.12goody7anyone chat.... almost 9 yrs
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12:25.39srgedabrotman: yea well it seems that everything was already setup properly. yet it does not upgrade automatically... what could it be ?
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12:27.54annadanegoody7, this is a support channel for debian questions, if you want to just be social try #debian-offtopic
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12:30.00abrotmansrged: might want to share your sources.list
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12:33.24srgedabrotman: here.... https://paste.debian.net/1117553/
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12:36.40abrotmanI'd take a (horrible) guess and say you're referencing stable in your upgrades file, and buster in your sources?
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12:39.58srgedabrotman: and what do u suggest ?
12:42.40srgedah ok
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13:48.17martian67oh good, PIA (private internet access) has been bought out by a VPN spyware company (PIA took over freenode some time ago)
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13:50.15CrystalMathwhy is that good?
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13:51.24martian67it isn't
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13:52.28CrystalMathoh well, we'll always have irc.debian.org
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13:59.11ratraceyeah because OFTC (which is irc.debian.org) is not run by corporate overlords and spymasters
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14:00.29CrystalMathso who's the new owner?
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14:08.00annadanePIA... owns freenode? wut?
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14:09.09martian67annadane:  freenode claimed it was a "partnership" but control of the company registration  etc was moved to PIA
14:09.20martian67so very obviously PIA now owns it
14:09.52martian67https://freenode.net/news/pia-fn
14:10.23martian67https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history
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14:11.12annadanewell, not much #debian can do, there's always #freenode to raise concerns i guess
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14:13.03user1_fnIs editing "/etc/network/interfaces" deprecated since systemd?
14:13.13martian67note: Andrew Lee is the owner of PIA
14:13.28martian67from the second link
14:13.43annadaneshouldn't be
14:13.50annadanere: network/interfaces
14:13.51karlpincuser1_fn: No.
14:14.12karlpinc#debian-offtopic for freenode discussions?
14:14.16nvzuser1_fn: no systemd networkd is disabled by default
14:14.43nvzuser1_fn: nm ignores ifs conf in there
14:14.51martian67im not moving to #debian-offtopic.
14:15.20user1_fnnvz, for all of stable/testing/unstable?
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14:15.56nvzuser1_fn: afaik though i havent kept up ask on oftc in #debian-next maybe
14:16.07nvzor on mailing lists
14:16.14user1_fnkarlpinc, nvz, thanks.
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14:41.36madridSomeone is using jackd and qjackctl in buster? Running this kind of error running qjackctl:
14:41.40madrid$ qjackctl
14:41.40madridWarning: Ignoring XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland on Gnome. Use QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland to run on Wayland anyway.
14:41.40madrid[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
14:41.40madridUsing host libthread_db library "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libthread_db.so.1".
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14:43.21jmdWhich package provides /usr/bin/mail ?
14:44.59ayekatjmd: apt-file might help there
14:45.00karlpincjmd: You can use apt-file to find it.
14:45.25karlpincjmd: Probably mailx (or something with that in the name, like bsd-mailx).  But there might be multiple choices.
14:45.43karlpincjmd: (Unless it's managed through the alternatives system, but probably not.)
14:45.46jmdOk so which package provides apt-file ?
14:45.55karlpincjmd: apt-file
14:46.16karlpinc!search
14:46.16dpkgPlease search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>.  The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot).  <search dpkg> for factoids.  See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>.  See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>.
14:46.32karlpinclikes debtags
14:46.39jmdkarlpinc: Please don't use bots to rebuke people like that.
14:46.57karlpincjmd: It is not a rebuke.  It is giving you info on how to find packages.
14:47.43madridapt-file search /usr/bin/mail
14:48.32karlpincjmd: Bot responses can't be fine-tuned to circumstances.
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14:49.07jmdWhich is why they are of little use.
14:50.37ayekatjmd: it's similar to being pointed to a piece of documentation, except that the documentation information is inlined in IRC
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14:53.17f8e3cpuinfo: bugs            : cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2 spec_store_bypass l1tf mds swapgs
14:53.21f8e3what should i do now?
14:53.35jmdignores dpkg
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14:54.21ayekatignores jmd
14:54.51f8e3please help
14:54.55ayekatf8e3: what's the issue?
14:55.08f8e3the bugs and i dont know what todo
14:55.24ayekatf8e3: that lines means that the kernel is aware of those CPU bugs
14:56.01ayekat(if e.g. cpu_meltdown wasn't in there, the kernel wouldn't be aware of Meltdown, which is probably a bad thing)
14:56.30f8e3how come, the cpu is i3 gen2, the bug was public postum, who patched? it
14:56.53ayekatplease rephrase
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14:57.24f8e3the cpu is around 2011 manufactured with many of the bugs after shipping found, who ptached the cpu
14:57.33shiinI'm trying to understand where the mozjs binary went in https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/mozjs60 There used to be a mozjs24 bin package, but mozjs 52 and 60 don't have an executable like js24 anymore. Maybe the support was dropped, or it has been moved to a package name I don't know.
14:58.09f8e3ayekat are there debian updating the intel cpu?
14:58.46ayekatf8e3: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/456446/92369
14:59.26ayekattl;dr the information there is of limited use, don't put much weight on it
14:59.29f8e3ayekat aye, thank you
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15:05.00karlpincshiin: There's a bot command to check for that sort of stuff, but I don't know what it is.  You'll have to look in the bug tracking system, bugs.debian.org.
15:05.29karlpincshiin: (Or use apt-file, etc., to search the package space.)
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15:05.43f8e3how secure is a debian with /boot readable but the main partition in crypt-luks? where is the key stored to enter the main system?
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15:06.34ratracef8e3: the key is not stored unles you explicitly configured unlocking via a keyfile stored somewhere
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15:07.23f8e3ratrace yes, whats left is keyloggers, how can i be sure its not logged on deb9?
15:07.41ratraceyou can't
15:07.54shiinhttps://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=906014 I believe the reason why mozjs24 is gone is "superseded by mozjs52 and mozjs60"
15:07.55juddBug https://bugs.debian.org/906014 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: mozjs24 -- RoQA; superseded by mozjs52, and soon mozjs60; no rdeps on release architectures»; severity: normal; opened: 2018-08-13; last modified: 2018-11-06.
15:08.30f8e3ratrace what should i do to mitigate this?
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15:08.56abrotmanstop using computers ..
15:09.01shiinNot like I haven't investigated that. But it's mysterious where the binary went. Apparently Gnome 3.30 depends on the newer mozjs versions. Maybe they're just loading the library.
15:09.26ratracef8e3: nothing much
15:10.10ratracef8e3: you might try with some EFI trusted boot thingy where you validated all the keys yourself and signed the loaders but then you can't be sure, if youre using Intel CPU, that the mini-OS hiddein in the IME is not keylogging
15:10.16ratraceso in other words, you can never be sure.
15:10.25ratracethat IME chip? there's a whole damn MINIX OS inside it.
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15:12.48karlpincf8e3: Technically with LUKS the key is stored, but encrypted.  The password used to encrypt is not stored.  You can configure LUKS to store the key elsewhere if you like.  Like on a usb stick.
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15:13.05f8e3wtf "microprocessor that runs independently of the main CPU and operating system"
15:13.27karlpincf8e3: Hey, UEFI is it's own OS.
15:13.54f8e3karlpinc ok, thank you
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15:14.11cybercrypto!backports
15:14.11dpkgA backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications.  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ .  Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>.  See also <simple sid backport>.
15:14.18karlpincf8e3: Just use a good luks password(s).
15:15.32ratracekarlpinc: with cryptsetup and luks    key == passphrse.  you can echo -n "your passphrase" into a file and then use it as a keyfile
15:15.33shiinhttps://tracker.debian.org/news/944341/removed-185-100dfsg-7-from-unstable/ this one has been removed because it wasn't maintained anymore.
15:15.50cybercryptohave anyone tried native zfs encryption on debian? any educated advices?
15:16.01ratracekarlpinc: and that is not stored anywhere unless you explicitly set it up with keyfiles, which means you control WHERE the keyfile is
15:17.54f8e3https://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/intel/
15:18.38f8e3how to protect against the 100 of embdded chips running their own bs under hood without needing to trust them?
15:18.53ratracef8e3: run a DIY RISC-V computer
15:19.17f8e3ratrace is raspypi enough?
15:19.20f8e3or quebeos?
15:19.28karlpincratrace: To be technical, the encryption key itself is stored in the luks header.  The keyfile is used to decrypt the key in the key in the header.  The header is stored with the encrypted device by default but the encryption header can be backed up elsewhere or never written and kept separately.
15:19.35ratraceor shell out for an IBM POWER 9, say a  Raptor Talos (tm) machine, they're supposedly without nasty things like IME
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15:20.56ratracekarlpinc: indeed. rather confusing terminology as they're all keys. key to unlock a key that does the decryption etc....
15:21.02ratraceso I assumed by "key" they meant the first one
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15:22.09karlpincratrace: I bought a HP T520 Thin Client based on your remarks.  Seems to work.  Came with a SSD drive which works, FYI, so it's possible to stick a drive in.
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15:22.45ratracekarlpinc: my remarks?
15:23.02karlpincratrace: About 3 or 6 months ago.
15:23.37ratraceI can barely remember what I had for breakfast :)
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15:34.31shiinI'm rewriting my shell scripts to jq now instead of jsawk which used the mozjs24 binary
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15:43.24gyuma1etyrHi!
15:43.36gyuma1etyrDoes Debian 10 still include Python2 by default, after a standard install?
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15:46.24f8e3i have .ssh/authorized_keys added the id_rsa.pub key yet i cant login from client to this server via root@serverip?
15:46.30f8e3error: Permission denied (publickey).
15:46.31gyuma1etyrI can imagine both are available via apt-get
15:46.44gyuma1etyrbut I mean by default, after an install, is python 2 still installed?
15:47.28mtngyuma1etyr: pretty sure it is, did you look?
15:47.43gyuma1etyrI don't have it installed here, I still have older versions
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15:48.13mtngyuma1etyr: as far as I know, all distros still have python 2 at this time
15:48.25karlpincgyuma1etyr: Check packages.debian.org and see what the python2 package priority is.
15:48.38gyuma1etyrmtn, "still have": do you mean "available with apt-get" or installed by default?
15:48.54mtngyuma1etyr: I mean by default
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15:49.40gyuma1etyrkarlpinc, https://packages.debian.org/buster/python2   how can you see frmo there if it's insalled by default?
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15:52.08gyuma1etyrmtn, is py3 also installed by default?
15:52.16gyuma1etyror do i have to manually apt install python3 ?
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15:58.02gyuma1etyrmtn any idea?
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16:42.32valdynFingerlessGloves: its somewhat application specific i believe. but maybe you get most by editing /etc/gai.conf
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16:52.34rrttyyI'm using debian stable. There's a process called [watchdogd] running. Does anyone know what this is?
16:52.42rrttyy*running as root
16:52.57rrttyy"watchdog" is not installed.
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17:00.05JesusInJeansrrttyy, it has to do what the processor does when there is an unexpected "reboot" or "poweroff" I think.. I am not sure.
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17:01.15rrttyyright, but is that named "watchdogd"?
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17:01.35rrttyyThis? https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/watchdog/watchdog.8.en.html
17:02.21JesusInJeansrrttyy, https://github.com/troglobit/watchdogd
17:02.41rrttyy...I haven't installed that.
17:02.51rrttyyDoes that come with the distribution?
17:03.13JesusInJeansrrttyy, let me check my system... I think it may
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17:03.53JesusInJeansrrttyy, yes it does: "$ ps -ef|grep watchdog      root        45     2  0 marras22 ?     00:00:00 [watchdogd]"
17:04.11JesusInJeansrrttyy, I did not install it, it came with the installation of my system.
17:04.13rrttyyOh, that's a relief! I can stop hyperventilating now
17:04.21rrttyythanks, JesusInJeans
17:05.21abrotmanah .. no
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17:06.48JesusInJeansabrotman, what would happen if I tried to remove the watchdog[d]?
17:07.01JesusInJeansabrotman, would my system be reset every now and then?
17:08.11jhutchinsJesusInJeans: I believe that processes shown in brackets are kernel processes.
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17:09.29jhutchinsJesusInJeans: Pretty sure watchdogd is internal
17:09.44JesusInJeansjhutchins, can I try to trigger a condition via a simulation of a condition for the watchdog to reset my computer system via reboot or "reset"?
17:10.17JesusInJeansjhutchins, I think the so-called "Reset Button" fell out of favor in the 1990's.
17:10.40JesusInJeansjhutchins, what I do not want to do is overheat my system, but I could try something else.
17:11.34jhutchinsJesusInJeans: Try some google searches for watchdogd and you'll probably find a full explanation of what it does.  Also see man wdctl.
17:12.28FingerlessGlovesvaldyn, yes edited the label line for fc00::/7 from 7 to 2 and its working :-)
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17:57.30TheM4rcoHello who can help me there, I would like to mount "/ vendor / lib / modules" in "/ system / lib / modules"! https://pastebin.com/kMFgyHtx
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17:58.14_DeLa_gouhoband: Arrrrrrrrrrrrrr ;-)
17:58.26TheM4rcobut system / vendor has a link to / vendor
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18:04.18nvzTheM4rco: you should not use pastebin.com, and your question is unparsable
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18:05.23nvzyou shouldnt quote things that aren't literal, and paths typicall dont have paces nor is /vendor or /system paths in a debian system
18:05.37nvzs/paces/spaces/
18:06.05TheM4rconvz https://controlc.com/4c668dae
18:06.21TheM4rcoI see pastebin is not working
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18:06.58ayekatdat if condition O_o
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18:07.12nvzhttp://paste.debian.net
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18:07.25nvz!pastebin.com
18:07.25dpkgpastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, is full of js, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads.  Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ (or give us the raw link like pastebin.com/raw/<identifier>, in other words pastebin.com/foo becomes pastebin.com/raw/foo)
18:07.50TheM4rcoThe problem is that he already has a link in / system / with vendor
18:08.02nvzI for one am currently on shotty signal bouncing off places.. I'm able to load a sane pastebin like paste.debian.net
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18:08.16TheM4rcohttp://paste.debian.net/1117592/
18:08.17ayekatTheM4rco: please don't put random spaces in paths - and please explain the goal
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18:09.17ayekat(i.e. what are you trying to achieve?)
18:09.18nvzI still don't have the vaguest clue as to what you're doing, why, or what's wrong
18:09.44nvzoften when stuff like this comes up its somene going about something all wrong and we can't even suggest a better way if we can't figure out what you're trying to do and why
18:09.52TheM4rcoI want to mount the vendor / lib / modules in / system / lib / modules
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18:10.11TheM4rcothat he has a link there
18:11.04ayekatTheM4rco: so there is a third-party /system/lib/modules directory, and you want its content to be made available under /lib/modules?
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18:11.04nvzthere is no vendor / lib / modules or / system / lib / modules
18:11.05skylineTheM4rco: so you want the library of a vendor in you systems modules library?
18:11.08nvzneither thing exists
18:11.19nvzthats why nobody here is understanding you
18:11.42nvzyou assume we follow what you're doing but we use debian and none of this has ever come up in my 20 years using debian
18:11.52ayekat(also a bit off-topic, but you can do simply `if mountpoint -q /path/to/directory; then […]`)
18:12.06skylineTheM4rco: Is this right?
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18:12.08TheM4rcoskyline Yes yes that they are linked there
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18:12.16ayekat(or `if ! mountpoint […]`, in this case)
18:12.24skylinewhat is the vendor?
18:12.29ayekatwhat link are you talking about?
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18:14.01skylineTheM4rco: You there?
18:14.05TheM4rcoYes
18:14.18skylineWhat is your need?
18:14.24skylineWhat is the vendor?
18:14.46skylineI might be able to help.
18:15.02TheM4rcoI want it to be the driver modules in / system / lib / modules
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18:16.05ayekatstahp
18:16.09TheM4rcoI want him to create a link from / vendor / lib / modules to / system / lib / modules that he accesses / vendor
18:16.10ayekatplease don't put spaces in paths like that
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18:16.32ayekatit's difficult and irritating to read (and wrong)
18:16.50skylineso you want the driver modules of what?
18:17.22TheM4rcofrom /vendor/lib/modules
18:17.27TheM4rcoto
18:17.43TheM4rco<PROTECTED>
18:17.51TheM4rcomount
18:18.06skylinewhat vendor? https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-e&q=vendor+definition
18:18.39skylineAre you meaning a Distribution as vendor?
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18:19.14skylineAre you meaning software of a sort as vendor?
18:19.14TheM4rcoyes
18:19.27ayekatthere is a /lib/modules in Debian, but neither /vendor/lib/modules nor /system/lib/modules exist
18:19.37TheM4rcoA software used / vendor
18:19.45ayekatdo you want to make custom/third-party kernel modules available under /lib/modules?
18:19.48skylineyes To Distribution or yes to software
18:19.59TheM4rcoyes
18:20.05nvzheh
18:20.10TheM4rcocustom/third-party kernel modules
18:20.18ayekatand that third-party kernel modules currently lives under /vendor/lib/modules?
18:20.24TheM4rcoyes
18:20.43ayekatalright, so we got this information, at last
18:20.49nvzTheM4rco: as I tell people often enough.. you need to back up a few steps and get us up to speed with where you are..
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18:21.10skylinethen it seems you need a repo for what ever source your looking for added to your sources.list
18:21.10nvzTheM4rco: are you looking to make something to handle multiple machines like a vps solution, rapid deployment..
18:21.21ayekat?
18:21.22skylinethat would be my guess at this time
18:21.44ayekatI don't think this has anything to do with sources.list or package repos
18:21.59nvzcause there are tons of such technologies out there we could probably help you with if we knew that was what you were doing
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18:22.11skylinei could be mistaken,
18:22.24TheM4rconvz Yes, it's an experiment with a server
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18:22.38skylinewhat kind of server
18:23.04nvzwell from our debian mindest there is no reason to be bending debian to the will of something else if you can just do things a debian way (tm)
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18:23.26jak2000i want install GuestOs Debian 9, wich kernel recomend me choose: 5.x 2.6 Kernes or 2.4 Kernel?
18:23.29nvzonly reason something like what you seem to be talking about would be necessar is where the user doesnt have control over the plaform at all
18:24.03nvzand the content is not being provided by the one who does have control or otherwise that one is trying to be distro agnostic
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18:24.26skylinenvz: like a remote * ?
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18:24.44nvzcause th way we're doing thigs is typically just installing dkms deb packages for modules
18:25.14nvzlike if I were hosting a vps server with cent, gentoo, debian, whatever.. and I wanted to provide site-specitic modules to any user of any such distro
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18:25.31nvzthen I might do some rub shit like this if I were too lazy to do it right
18:25.42nvzand package specific to the distros I will support
18:25.54nvzs/rub/rube/
18:26.01TheM4rcoayekat How can I create this link now " third-party kernel modules vendor/lib/modules to /system/lib/modules how do I mount this in the bash script
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18:26.43ayekatTheM4rco: I can't answer that question, because I'm still missing a lot of information there
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18:27.42TheM4rcoayekat: what information do you need?
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18:27.53ayekatwhat's the content of /vendor/lib/modules? why do you keep mentioning (a non-existent) /system/lib/modules?
18:28.00TheM4rcowait
18:28.11ayekatdo you what you are doing? because mounting something over /lib/modules just like that is also a bad idea
18:28.32nvzin my theory(guess) of what they're doing.. /vendor and /system are on a dom0 kinda host and /lib/modules are on guests
18:28.40ayekatalso, I have to leave now, but there's plenty of other people in here who can help (if you give them useful information)
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18:29.23Ankmanis there a way to directly start a second X session on the comand line *and* select a different than the default desktop manager? gnome is default here but i want to start mint. when i execute "startx mate -- :2" (or mate-wm or mate-session) it appears to work but aborts. and there are no EE in the log
18:29.28nvzwhere /vendor is a host provided shared dir and /system is the rootfs of a guest on that system
18:29.39Ankmanwhen i just use "startx -- :2" it starts gnome :-(
18:29.51TheM4rcohttp://paste.debian.net/1117601/
18:29.57Ankmanmate i mean, not mint
18:31.02TheM4rconvz: support in rootfs
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18:31.08nvzAnkman: different ways of starting x may/will read different files but ~/.Xsession or ~/.xinitrc are common
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18:31.28ayekatstartx uses ~/.xinitrc
18:31.33nvzAnkman: putting mate-session or something like choosewm in there would work
18:31.39nvz,i choosewm
18:31.40juddPackage choosewm (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: fake x-session-manager allowing the user to choose a wm. Version: 0.1.6-3+b2; Size: 17.5k; Installed: 66k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/choosewm
18:32.03Ankmanthat's what i read too. i hoped there was a direct way though overwriting the default manager in the config files
18:32.20PyCD21TheM4rco: do you have the two directories the wrong way round? it's like mount --bind /path/to/existing/dir /path/to/new/mountpoint
18:32.33nvzAnkman: well do you use a DM at all?
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18:32.59nvzAnkman: cause if first session is already started through a dm, then this isn't an issue, and in fact many dm may have ways to start other sessions
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18:33.03Ankmannvz: i have three or four installed
18:33.27nvzAnkman: I'd make use of them.. or nodm if you want them just autologged in to specific sessions
18:33.38nvzthis is what display managers are for, to automatically start sessions
18:34.05Ankmanuntil past month i could click in the main gnomemenue at my user name and select  to switch to a different user. that option is gone for some reason so i hoped start is comes to the rescuue
18:34.24Ankmanso basically it worked over GDM
18:35.16nvzyes well avoiding your DM cause something changed prob is where you're going wrong.. switch DM or otherwise learn to configure whatever DM you choose, and that'll best suit you in this situation
18:35.38nvzI have been using lightdm lately.. its not ideal.. but its highly configurable for things like auto login, multiple seats, sessions, etc
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18:35.56TheM4rcoPyCD21T he problem is also the / system also has a mount to / vendor /system/vendor
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18:36.45Ankmanumm, i also should mention the second session is run on a different user
18:38.18nvzTheM4rco: yes well nobody understands what you got going on there to advise you properly.. but generally speaking if I have /foo mounted to /bar/foo and I want /foo/baz/qux to show up on /bar/baz/qux I can just do that.. and if that directory already exists, I can overlay or such
18:38.30nvzTheM4rco: for all I know some sort of overlay mount may be what you want
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18:38.51nvzTheM4rco: for some time now binding isnt the only option, you can actually overlay two FS and show both in same place
18:39.01nvzbut not with symlinks.. has to be mounts with overlays
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18:41.38TheM4rconvz: I understand your concerns but it is not possible to create a link in / system / lib / modules / after -> / vendor / lib / modules?
18:41.56nvzits not possible for any of us to understand a word you're saying
18:42.20nvzI'm doing other things and when I look in and see "link in / system / lib / modules / after -> / vendor / lib / modules" I just ignore all of it
18:42.25nvzcause I can't parse wtf it says
18:42.37nvzif its a path it should be /system/lib/modules/
18:42.55nvzand I should be able to read that at a glance starting with the directory root / of the vfs all the way to the first space
18:43.11nvzwhen i hit a space, thats the end of the path
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18:43.15jhutchinsTheM4rco: symlinks, which are what you want, not mounts, are persistent between boots.
18:43.55TheM4rcohow can I set this
18:45.29nvzin my mind you are probably doing some kinda virtual server and trying to link something up.. thats all I know.. and I can't even begin to tell you how to do it cause I have no idea what that setup looks like.. what OSes, filesstems, etc..
18:46.30nvzfor all I know the VM doesnt follow symlinks, or the fs doesn't support them.. hell if I know
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18:47.21nvzif I wanted one directory somewhere else, most the time I'm gonna use a mount, and fstab if I want it persistent
18:47.43nvzmount is WAY more flexible than a symlink and transparent to everything else
18:47.57nvzsymlinks are highly dependant on OS, FS, VM, etc.. all respecting them
18:48.04nvzotherwise they are just signs that nobody reads
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18:49.20Ankmana n00b might have problems to understand this
18:49.37Ankmanhe's reading but fails to implement it
18:49.42nvza symlink is a tretise between all concerned parties, a mount (bind, overlay, or otherwise) is unknown to all but the kernel
18:50.56nvzmounts are way down here at the kernel block layer.. symlinks are followed by apps on top of shells on top of fs on top of kernel
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18:51.26nvzthats called a stack.. buncha software all working together.. I have no idea what your stack is
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18:51.54nvzthe stack doesnt know about the mount.. it just sees what the kernel wants it to see
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18:54.09gouhobandnvz: that is a great summary. Props
18:55.33PyCD21TheM4rco: does the command 'mount -r -o bind /system/lib/modules $mnt/lib/modules' fail with an error message?
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18:59.48TheM4rcoPyCD21: yes
19:00.10PyCD21TheM4rco: would you then mind telling us, the error message?
19:00.11TheM4rcono such file or directory
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19:02.22Ankmanmount -r -o bind /system/lib/modules /mnt/lib/modules
19:02.32Ankmanthee was a $ before mnt before
19:02.40nvza bind mount will quash the underlying fs
19:02.45nvzoverlay won't
19:03.11Ankmani use bind to mount directories for my ftp server
19:03.14nvzI haven't experimented with it yet.. but its now possible to merge two FS with mounts
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19:03.39PyCD21TheM4rco: put a '$busybox mkdir -p $mnt/lib/modules' before the mount command
19:03.53nvzI been meaning to fool with it cause I dont know how it determines which FS actually gets written to, how it deals with possible duplicate filenames.. etc
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19:08.14TheM4rcoPyCD21: oky Thx i test it
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19:18.53lembrongot a new server, nvme drives with mdadm mirror ontop - munins diskstats plugin reports "99.9% utilization" at all times - while the raid is fine (no rebuilds) and "iotop" doesnt show a single thing going on (0writing 0reading 0%io) -- where to start digging? ;/
19:20.26lembronalso everything application wise is stopped (exept base os obvs.) - and if i want to actually use the disks, i smoothly get 600M just fine
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19:26.13TheM4rcoPyCD21: PyCD21: does not work
19:26.37PyCD21TheM4rco: does the mount command still fail with an error message?
19:27.46TheM4rcoyes
19:28.35TheM4rcowhen I look in / system / lib / no folder modules
19:29.15TheM4rcoI only see the folder in system / vendor which is there
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19:30.01TheM4rcobut the folder is linked with / vendor
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19:31.57n_1-c_klembron, places to dig might be /usr/share/munin/plugins/diskstat* - looks hairy to me, g'luck.
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19:34.24lembronit works fine everywhere else - and ive even got other deb10 hosts with i belive even the exact same disks that seem to report fine...
19:35.15lembron(the fine one is pve6 so deb10 - the fresh "borky" one is a vanilla deb10)
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19:41.24lembron"35u" disk latency also looks perfectly fine - almost suspecting some number-wrapping to mangle it or so,
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19:42.08lembronand checking directly -> cat /sys/block/nvme1n1/stat  - 605030940 630555388  and a second later 605036388 630560844 - doesnt look horrific ether rly..
19:42.12PyCD21TheM4rco: try this http://paste.debian.net/1117607/
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19:45.22TheM4rcoPyCD21 Okay Thx i try
19:45.41aaiiHi, When i install nginx (apt install nginx ) i faced to this error how i can fix it?
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19:46.21aaiidpkg: error processing package nginx (--configure):
19:46.21aaii<PROTECTED>
19:46.21aaiiErrors were encountered while processing:
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19:46.21dpkgaaii: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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19:46.56aaiisorry :|
19:47.05aaiiwrong pastte :////
19:47.32aaiihttps://paste.debian.net/1117608
19:47.57gettypehi, if you are not busy, i was wonderin if i could ask i question, i am working on mount and i am trying to do mount all files in my iso folder to /mnt. I did bash script for it like for i in {1..3}; do mkdir /mnt/"$i"; done; for i in {1..3}; do mount -o loop filename-"$i".iso /mnt/"$i"; done. But was not satisfactory. Is there an easy method for this?
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19:48.48f8e3hey guys, if i livecd start debian besides the main hdd debian, what virus-XY could still screw me over, what type what to google?
19:48.59f8e3gettype y might want to try #bash too
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19:49.43gettypef8e3: I've tried now.
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19:50.01TheM4rcoPyCD21: mkdir: can creat directory "/system/lib/modules: Read-only file system -- and mounting /vendor/lib/modules on /system/lib/modules failes no such file or...
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20:46.39gunix_Hi, is it possible to install any .deb package with preseed? Just an example: I want to install "pale moon" browser in os installation progress (or after os installation). I don't want to do it manually and there is no network so I can't use puppet, ansible etc.
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20:49.24TheM4rcoPyCD21: i fix mount -o rw,remount /dev/block/mmcblk0p63 /system <-- to fix Read-only file system but the modules are not empty in the folder / system / lib / modules folder
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20:54.21notconnectedquick question, are all sata cables the same?
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20:54.35notconnectedis it up to the controller that determine the speed of the hdd/controller?
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21:05.48FightingFalconHow do i install python 3.7.4? apt-get install pyton3.7.4 or something like that?
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21:10.07mtnFightingFalcon: is it in the debian repos?  http://packages.debian.org
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21:11.46FightingFalconi dunno
21:11.53HabbieFightingFalcon is getting answers in #python
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21:14.18FightingFalconim not, actually
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21:16.26mtnFightingFalcon: did you ever figure out if it is in the repos or not?
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21:17.14FightingFalconIts in the repos
21:17.18FightingFalconbut not the latest version
21:18.08nkuttler,v python3.7
21:18.09juddPackage: python3.7 on amd64 -- buster: 3.7.3-2; bullseye: 3.7.5-2; sid: 3.7.5-2
21:18.26nkuttler,checkbackport python3.7
21:18.27juddBackporting package python3.7 in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster.
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21:18.43nkuttlerFightingFalcon: you could backport 3.7.5
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21:19.05nkuttlerwhat's wrong with 3.7.3 anyway?
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21:20.02m0rd3caiGot a quick question about gnome tracker-miner-fs. All that does is gather and index our online information and content right?
21:20.24FightingFalconWhy shouldnt i get the "latest" version?
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21:20.39nkuttler!stable
21:20.40dpkg[stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Buster (10.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable
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21:27.35irvinghuhuhHi everyone
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21:29.07irvinghuhuhJust a quick question : I have a new laptop with Intel HD Graphics 5500 in it, how can I know if the drivers work properly ? I didn't install graphics drivers yet
21:33.25abrotmanit likely just works
21:36.00SkynetNeverDiesirving you can message me if you want some more detailed instructions to make sure the proper drivers are all installed and configured correctly
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21:37.40abrotmanplease keep it in the channel
21:38.14abrotmanirvinghuhuh: "glxinfo" is a reasonable way to check what's going on with your drivers
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21:49.16jhutchinsDo modern (core 2 duo) motherboards even have floppy connectors any more?
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21:57.10dob1only 5 1/4 inches
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22:04.39DogManJrHow do we convince Arch users Debian is the best?
22:04.49lupinewhy would we?
22:04.50DogManJrWait sorry
22:04.58DogManJrThis isn't an off topic channel
22:04.59SkynetNeverDieslol
22:05.08EdePopede!best
22:05.08dpkgBest for what?  Please define what you mean by "best".  Gloria Gaynor!  Tina Turner!  Aretha Franklin!  Men without Hats!  Women without Hats!  Men at Work!  Women at Play!  Anyone for Tennis!
22:05.43dob1debian logo is better
22:06.15EdePopedefor what i've seen here, if your hardware is sns, debian may not necessarily be the best distro to use
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22:08.00dob1they are different, archlinux uses rolling releases model, debian has a stable every n years
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22:09.04DogManJrI don't really care about bleeding edge stuff, and I have a separate beefier but less portable laptop running Windows for gaming, so Debian is best for me.
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22:10.40dob1for you is not for every one+
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22:12.12DogManJrI know :) I was joking in the beginning but I meant to send that in the offtopic channel
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22:32.29gyuma1etyrHi
22:32.31gyuma1etyrHow to disable internet for one particular user?
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22:33.23gyuma1etyrHow would you do this?
22:33.26gyuma1etyrfrom command line?
22:33.28gyuma1etyra GUI tool?
22:34.57dob1just for the browser or for everything?
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22:36.06gyuma1etyrdob1, for everything
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22:36.36dob1he will be the only one connected to the pc ?
22:37.32dob1I don't know how to do it, but I was thinking at some hook at login/logout with an iptables rules to drop everything in output and delete the rule on logout
22:37.59whislockgyuma1etyr: What is the actual problem leading you to want to do this?
22:38.13gyuma1etyrit's for my 8 yo son, I'm ok that he learns about computer, etc.
22:38.18gyuma1etyrbut not go on internet alone ;)
22:38.25whislockThen supervise your child.
22:38.26DogManJrRegardless of the actual problem, it's an interesting question
22:38.50whislockThere are also technical solutions like OpenDNS that will allow you to filter content.
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22:42.08dob1you can also use some public list for filtering contents using dnsmasq. similar to what pi-hole do
22:43.04gyuma1etyrFor now, I would like him to give total freedom on computer but *without* internet at all
22:43.22aarocontent filter is a real issue becasue you don't need to leave google page to watch al kind of images and videos, so first thing you should do is activate safesearch in google options
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22:43.40gyuma1etyrLike I did when I was a child: I was allowed to do anything on it, but internet didn't exis :p
22:43.46gyuma1etyrso i started programming etc. ;)
22:44.32whislockaaro: Content filtering has come a long way since "what domain is it?"
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22:44.55whislockgyuma1etyr: That's fine, but this is not when you grew up. There are better solutions than "shut off the internet."
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22:45.14gyuma1etyrwhislock, of course yes.
22:45.25gyuma1etyrShut off the internet when he's alone with computer
22:45.42whislockOr... Utilize effective content filtering, as said previously.
22:45.43gyuma1etyrTurn on internet when we dedicate time to learn together with him how to use it
22:46.12gyuma1etyrbut these parenting questions apart, technically, how would you shut internet for a specific linux user?
22:46.51whislockIt's quite simple using iptables. Search results are rife with the answer.
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22:48.06whislockSomething to the tune of 'iptables -A OUTPUT -p all -m owner --uid-owner <username> -j DROP'
22:48.38gyuma1etyrok...
22:48.39dob1you can do this with iptables ? identify the user?
22:48.43gyuma1etyrand to make it permanent?
22:48.54gyuma1etyrit was probably /etc/rc.local
22:48.58gyuma1etyrbut now with systemd?
22:49.18maqrcan someone kick me in the right direction on how to build a patched dpkg? i'm trying to patch/rebuild dropbear-initramfs, but apt-get source is telling me i should git clone instead (even though it downloads packages)
22:49.25whislock,v iptables-persistent
22:49.26juddPackage: iptables-persistent on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.3+deb8u1; stretch: 1.0.4+nmu2; buster: 1.0.11; buster-backports: 1.0.14~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.0.14; sid: 1.0.14
22:50.35whislockInstall that, and 'iptables-save > /etc/iptables/rules.v4'
22:51.34gyuma1etyrwhislock, except this, is there an equivalent of ~/.bashrc that gets executes everytime a user logs with the GUI?
22:51.53whislockgyuma1etyr: This doesn't seem related to your original question. Am I incorrect?
22:52.20gyuma1etyrit is, I often have this problem: how to do something everytime someone logs in?
22:52.30gyuma1etyrhere it would be: iptables -A OUTPUT -p all -m owner --uid-owner <username> -j DROP
22:52.35whislockNo, it wouldn't be.
22:52.59whislockLesson 1 of security controls: Do not impose a control as the user you're controlling. That means that that user can also REMOVE the control.
22:53.33whislockgyuma1etyr: Do what I said. As root, add that iptables rule. Then iptables-save it, and install iptables-persistent.
22:53.55gyuma1etyrOk I'll try this
22:54.17gyuma1etyrbut anyway, just to learn things, what's the equivalent of bashrc for "I logged in with GUI / window manager"?
22:54.51whislockHaven't the faintest idea.
22:55.22whislockgyuma1etyr: A word of caution: Never underestimate the power of 8 year old children behind a keyboard.
22:55.54gyuma1etyrhehe yes
22:56.12gyuma1etyrIf he can revert the iptables trick with no internet to teach him how to do it
22:56.22gyuma1etyrthen he's won, and deserves full internet ;)
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22:56.39whislockWhen I was your son's age, I was learning machine language programming on a Commodore 64, getting lazy, and writing an assembler in basic.
22:57.11gyuma1etyrhaha good old times. same for me in Pascal, and a little bit of ASM 1 or 2 years later :p
22:57.26gyuma1etyrwith a 286
22:57.28whislockThose WERE the good old times. :)
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22:57.56dvsfogies!
22:58.00dvs;-)
22:58.42gyuma1etyrhehe
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23:00.17maqranyone know why apt-get source tells me "Picking 'dropbear' as source package instead of 'dropbear-initramfs'"? what exactly is "dropbear-initramfs" if not a package with source?
23:00.17dob1whislock, what you did at 8 ??
23:00.33whislockdob1: Yup.
23:01.13dob1well, nice!
23:01.44gyuma1etyroh you *wrote* an assembler, or you wrote in assembly?
23:01.50whislockYes.
23:01.55dob1the first or  the second?
23:01.56gyuma1etyr(i didn't write a compiler myself lol)
23:02.04whislockBoth.
23:02.09gyuma1etyrho ho nice
23:02.24whislockThere wasn't an assembler for a C64. Writing in machine language was tedious. So I wrote an assembler.
23:02.37dob1at 8 ?
23:02.38gyuma1etyrreallly! nice!
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23:02.55gyuma1etyrdob1, yes but it was 8 in hexadecimal
23:03.03gyuma1etyr;)
23:03.18whislockdob1: Yes. (0x8 is still 8. ;)
23:03.26gyuma1etyrIndeed, that was the joke ;)
23:03.43whislockHumor sometimes eludes me, sorry.
23:03.55dob18 in hex is still 8
23:03.57dob1yes!
23:04.00gyuma1etyryes!
23:04.14dob1whislock, you were like a little genius imho
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23:04.36whislockI had - and have - a singular interest. It was to the detriment of most other skills, believe me.
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23:12.40f8e3if i mount image foo.iso how come i can copy eg scp it, if its at the same time mounted and written to?
23:13.03f8e3is there concurrency, thus garpabage even?
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23:13.28ratracef8e3: you'll probably end up with a corrupt copy if you copy the image file while it's being written to
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23:49.18theklaHi!
23:50.15gouhoAhoy-hoy!
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23:50.53crestfallenhello the machine is not in front of me, but in virtualbox there are settings for video quality, and I'm wondering if there is an equivalent in kvm: (Instructions in virtualBox):  "Step 2 - Enable PAE/NX”. Step 3 - Allocate Video memory and 3D acceleration Select Display > Video and set Video Memory to 128MB. This allows you have a good responsive desktop environment."
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