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| 00:01.53 | irvinghuhuh | the result of "xinput list" : https://paste.debian.net/1117793/ |
| 00:02.27 | irvinghuhuh | It doesn't tell me the name |
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| 00:18.18 | irvinghuhuh | think* |
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| 00:32.21 | sponix | ratrace: so if I create the pool on this drive when it is connected USB 3, and export it, think it will import right back in without issues when I shuck it and hook it up Sata inside my rig ? |
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| 00:40.11 | m0rd3cai | So need some assistance guys, debian 9.4 - xfce on lightdm. Trying to add new wallpaper. moved the file to /usr/share/backgrounds/xfce, verified the file is there but will not show in Desktop Settings. Its greyed out. Ive tried selecting a different folder with "other" but all options are greyed out. im assuming its some kind of permission issue |
| 00:40.21 | m0rd3cai | xfce4* |
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| 00:43.40 | sponix | m0rd3cai: have a look at the user/group and permissions on your other wallpapers that do work ... ? |
| 00:44.31 | m0rd3cai | sponix: yup thats the issue |
| 00:44.42 | annadane | m0rd3cai, unrelatedly, 9.4 is ancient |
| 00:45.01 | annadane | if you're still going to be on debian 9, 9.11 is the latest |
| 00:45.25 | sponix | m0rd3cai: amazing how you already knew where to look |
| 00:45.41 | m0rd3cai | i tried to figure it out first ;-) |
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| 00:46.46 | sponix | m0rd3cai: hmm, you saying my guesses are better than yours ? |
| 00:46.49 | m0rd3cai | heres what my folder looks like. the 2 show up on the bottom. debian-bground doesnt |
| 00:46.52 | m0rd3cai | https://paste.debian.net/1117797/ |
| 00:47.27 | sponix | m0rd3cai: so you want the number to chmod it to, to fix it ? |
| 00:47.30 | m0rd3cai | to clarify, im 99% sure its permissions. Just dont know how to straighten this out. Last time i put a picture in, it worked just find |
| 00:47.43 | m0rd3cai | i tried 700 but it didnt like that. im guessing 644? |
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| 00:48.10 | m0rd3cai | maybe 600? |
| 00:48.14 | m0rd3cai | lol |
| 00:48.14 | sponix | m0rd3cai: don't guess |
| 00:48.32 | m0rd3cai | hrm... |
| 00:48.33 | sponix | m0rd3cai: what do the numbers stand for ? |
| 00:49.43 | m0rd3cai | read/write and i want to say (wrong terminology) access to use the file? |
| 00:49.48 | sponix | m0rd3cai: linuxjourney.com for more details. And yes 644 should get you rwx-r-r -- pretty damn sure :) |
| 00:50.24 | m0rd3cai | yea rwx-r-r is what i need. im getting there. whole different world than winblows. |
| 00:50.32 | sponix | m0rd3cai: first set is for the user that owns it, the 2nd is for the group permission to it, and the last set, is for anyone/anything outside of those (guest) |
| 00:50.56 | m0rd3cai | thanks sponix, for not just giving the answer. I think thats the best way to help people answer questions, make them think! |
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| 00:51.37 | m0rd3cai | ok that makes alot more sense |
| 00:51.49 | sponix | m0rd3cai: you could have likely also done chmod +r file to give everyone read across the board |
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| 00:52.22 | sponix | hmm or that might have been chmod a+r file (a for all) ... I'd have to tinker with that one myself :) |
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| 00:52.42 | sponix | m0rd3cai: I've been doing this for over 30 years, and still don't _always_ get it right on the 1st try lol |
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| 00:53.47 | sponix | that website goes over a lot of the "basics" though, you need to get around the terminal and fix things |
| 00:54.30 | m0rd3cai | hah I hear that man! Theres ALOT to some linux systems. I love that though. awesome, looks like I have some reading to do! |
| 00:55.25 | sponix | m0rd3cai: there is always MORE reading to do, no one has it all mastered, and also things are always changing |
| 00:55.45 | m0rd3cai | very true! |
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| 00:57.06 | annadane | m0rd3cai, but yeah, run an apt update && apt upgrade, you might need an apt dist-upgrade too |
| 00:57.10 | annadane | to go from 9.4 to 9.11 |
| 00:57.36 | annadane | you have until basically july of 2020 to switch to debian 10 before debian 9 begins to stop being supported for all packages |
| 00:57.42 | sponix | m0rd3cai: keep in in the channel here so all can learn. And no one should poke fun, for you asking about the basics |
| 00:58.01 | sponix | m0rd3cai: what you need to read on for the user/group change is "chown" command |
| 00:58.30 | m0rd3cai | yea I just saw that on the website. |
| 00:58.36 | m0rd3cai | its a group. |
| 00:58.36 | sponix | m0rd3cai: chown sponix:users file.jpg for example can do the user sponix, the group users, on the file.jpg :) |
| 00:59.00 | sponix | m0rd3cai: yep, that linuxjourney.com is gonna cover most of these things |
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| 01:02.16 | m0rd3cai | sponix: ah, i found the "chgrp" command which changed the group but still doesnt show up in wallpapers. permissions match default bg file permissions. hrm.... |
| 01:03.09 | sponix | m0rd3cai: you sure, do another ls -l on that dir and dump it to the pastebin again |
| 01:03.34 | m0rd3cai | un momento |
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| 01:03.55 | m0rd3cai | https://paste.debian.net/1117801/ |
| 01:04.35 | sponix | m0rd3cai: and what directory is this in again ? |
| 01:04.36 | m0rd3cai | even did "chown root:root filename.jpg" after chgrp |
| 01:04.44 | m0rd3cai | /usr/share/backgrounds/xfce |
| 01:05.07 | m0rd3cai | from my knowledge, default wallpaper folder |
| 01:07.49 | sponix | m0rd3cai: majority of mine are just in /usr/share/backgrounds .... I do have a /usr/share/backgrounds/xfce (but it only contains a few defaults there) |
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| 01:08.34 | m0rd3cai | those bastards. its supposed to be /usr/share/backgrounds. |
| 01:08.43 | m0rd3cai | lesson learned, hah! |
| 01:08.53 | m0rd3cai | well i learned a good lesson in file permission |
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| 01:09.15 | sponix | m0rd3cai: but hell, you should be able to make that owned by your user/group and just have in in /home/yourUser/pictures also :) my screen shots post as backgrounds possible when I surf to that directory :) |
| 01:09.50 | sponix | m0rd3cai: I think/feel it is dumb not showing up when you dumped into the xfce spot... but whatever |
| 01:10.16 | sponix | m0rd3cai: whoever did this is likely not concerned with my personal opinion on the matter |
| 01:10.25 | m0rd3cai | I even created a folder in homedir with root permission, root group, chowned the wallpaper to root and xfce-settings still wouldnt let me select the folder. is that because the $home directory is owned by a different user? |
| 01:11.10 | m0rd3cai | sponix: yea i want to sort that out and have a wallpaper folder in $home |
| 01:11.11 | sponix | m0rd3cai: with very few exceptions everything in your /home/user should be owned by that users user/group |
| 01:11.24 | m0rd3cai | thats what i thought |
| 01:11.57 | m0rd3cai | kids bedtime, back in a bit |
| 01:12.00 | sponix | m0rd3cai: should be able to chown -R sponix:sponix ./wallpapers and be just fine |
| 01:12.15 | sponix | m0rd3cai: I gotta make a meal anyway |
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| 01:17.36 | Akuw | is there any app to wifi analizer? |
| 01:18.34 | sponix | Akuw: wireshark |
| 01:20.04 | senate | kismet |
| 01:23.05 | senate | to analyze network packages use tcpdump |
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| 01:28.04 | m0rd3cai | Linssid |
| 01:28.15 | m0rd3cai | Akuw: Linssid is a good one I use |
| 01:29.05 | BazookaTooth | tcpshark is also a thing. bit easier to read perhaps |
| 01:29.14 | m0rd3cai | Akuw: if your wanting to analyze traffic on wifi network, wireshark's what you want. If you want to see what wifi AP's are around you and the signal strength, you want something like Linssid |
| 01:29.35 | BazookaTooth | you can also dump it to wireshark |
| 01:30.18 | BazookaTooth | termshark sorry |
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| 02:07.00 | kreyren | #linux is busy.. http://dpaste.com/1R2KJFR.txt any idea what am i doing wrong? >.> |
| 02:07.19 | dvs | ##linux" |
| 02:07.22 | dvs | ? |
| 02:07.25 | kreyren | yes |
| 02:09.41 | dvs | -xzpf not -xpf ? |
| 02:11.09 | annadane | https://www.xkcd.com/1168/ |
| 02:11.29 | whislock | kreyren: Not sure if the space in your -C path is going to cause issues. |
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| 02:12.11 | senate | you need -z when it's gunzip |
| 02:12.19 | senate | tar -zxvf |
| 02:12.44 | whislock | No, you don't. |
| 02:12.56 | kreyren | whislock, same issue http://ix.io/22MT |
| 02:14.14 | whislock | Manually specifying -z hasn't been needed in ages. |
| 02:14.43 | senate | old habit :P |
| 02:14.57 | kreyren | was using -z but removed it for debugging since it autodetects |
| 02:15.35 | senate | haven't read tar manpages in ages |
| 02:15.52 | kreyren | i read it now, but i don't see where am i making syntax err O.o |
| 02:17.07 | whislock | kreyren: I just replicated that command, and it works. |
| 02:17.19 | kreyren | whislock, output? |
| 02:17.34 | senate | you have correct path to all files? |
| 02:17.55 | whislock | kreyren: The files are correctly extracted without errors. |
| 02:18.38 | kreyren | senate, yes http://ix.io/22MY |
| 02:19.59 | whislock | kreyren: https://paste.debian.net/1117804/ |
| 02:21.34 | kreyren | weird |
| 02:21.49 | kreyren | whislock, tar 1.30 ? |
| 02:22.33 | whislock | Whatever version is in buster. |
| 02:23.06 | whislock | Which would be 1.30, yes. |
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| 02:29.49 | kreyren | well this is weird ------------------------------------------------------ |
| 02:29.49 | kreyren | Using kreytricks 20190912-next - sha256sum: b89e1bb900287ef6c92a14d681cba65d4645c5e28aa95199920ea75cc02977ea on platform nix_linux with wine-4.20 (Staging) and WINEARCH=win64 on WINEPREFIX=/home/kreyren/.local/share/wineprefixes/rocketleague including WINEDEBUG=fixme-all |
| 02:29.49 | kreyren | Executing w_do_call rocketleague_steam |
| 02:29.49 | kreyren | Executing load_rocketleague_steam |
| 02:29.56 | kreyren | Executing tar -C /home/kreyren/test_tar -xvpf /home/kreyren/.cache/winetricks/rocketleague_steam/d9vk-0.30.tar.gz d9vk-0.30/x64/d3d10.dll d9vk-0.30/x64/d3d10core.dll d9vk-0.30/x64/d3d10_1.dll d9vk-0.30/x64/d3d11.dll d9vk-0.30/x64/d3d9.dll d9vk-0.30/x64/dxgi.dll |
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| 02:30.07 | kreyren | tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors |
| 02:30.09 | kreyren | FATAL: Command tar -C /home/kreyren/test_tar -xvpf /home/kreyren/.cache/winetricks/rocketleague_steam/d9vk-0.30.tar.gz d9vk-0.30/x64/d3d10.dll d9vk-0.30/x64/d3d10core.dll d9vk-0.30/x64/d3d10_1.dll d9vk-0.30/x64/d3d11.dll d9vk-0.30/x64/d3d9.dll d9vk-0.30/x64/dxgi.dll returned status 2. Aborting. |
| 02:30.13 | kreyren | kreyren@dreamon:~$ tar -C /home/kreyren/test_tar -xvpf /home/kreyren/.cache/winetricks/rocketleague_steam/d9vk-0.30.tar.gz d9vk-0.30/x64/d3d10.dll d9vk-0.30/x64/d3d10core.dll d9vk-0.30/x64/d3d10_1.dll d9vk-0.30/x64/d3d11.dll d9vk-0.30/x64/d3d9.dll d9vk-0.30/x64/dxgi.dll |
| 02:30.17 | kreyren | d9vk-0.30/x64/d3d10.dll |
| 02:30.19 | kreyren | d9vk-0.30/x64/d3d10core.dll |
| 02:30.21 | kreyren | d9vk-0.30/x64/d3d10_1.dll |
| 02:30.23 | kreyren | d9vk-0.30/x64/d3d11.dll |
| 02:30.25 | kreyren | d9vk-0.30/x64/d3d9.dll |
| 02:30.27 | kreyren | d9vk-0.30/x64/dxgi.dll |
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| 02:30.41 | kreyren | sorryy |
| 02:30.42 | annadane | !paste |
| 02:30.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 02:30.46 | annadane | !lart kreyren |
| 02:30.46 | dpkg | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at kreyren |
| 02:31.10 | kreyren | sorryyyy |
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| 02:37.26 | m0rd3cai | hey guys wheres the lightdm conf file located so i can quit typing in my username everytime? ive changed it before but i can find the right keyword for google |
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| 02:38.09 | m0rd3cai | nevermidn |
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| 02:38.48 | annadane | you did say never mind so i'll ignore your question, but 'man lightdm' and scroll down to "files" |
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| 02:39.15 | m0rd3cai | haha finally found in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf |
| 02:39.31 | kreyren | figured it out i was quoting the expanded in wrapper which apparently made it to consider as one file separated by space.. which makes no sence come to think of it but it works |
| 02:39.32 | m0rd3cai | lol now to find the setting ti change lol ;-) |
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| 02:39.56 | kreyren | whislock/senate: thanks for help |
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| 02:43.34 | sponix | m0rd3cai: what are you breaking now ? |
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| 02:58.13 | m0rd3cai | sponix: haha no its my laptop, its on and off alot and im tired of typing in my username, theres a conf file to set the username in and im searching for that one |
| 02:58.32 | m0rd3cai | done it before but I cant find the link in my bookmarks |
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| 03:00.42 | ahi2 | m0rd3cai: greeter-show-manual-login=true and greeter-hide-users=false |
| 03:01.09 | ahi2 | lightdm.conf |
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| 03:03.19 | m0rd3cai | that goes in /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf right? |
| 03:03.46 | ahi2 | etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf on mine |
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| 03:04.05 | ahi2 | i suppose there are diff ways |
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| 03:06.37 | m0rd3cai | dont want to fuck up my login. heres part of my conf file, the end of the general section. https://paste.debian.net/1117806/ |
| 03:08.16 | ahi2 | lightdm.conf? |
| 03:08.27 | m0rd3cai | correct |
| 03:08.34 | m0rd3cai | the link you gae |
| 03:08.37 | m0rd3cai | gave* |
| 03:09.08 | m0rd3cai | theres more to that conf, thats all that i posted. the rest i didnt touch |
| 03:09.16 | ahi2 | i have mine after "[Seat:*]" in lightdm.conf |
| 03:10.01 | m0rd3cai | I see it. damn thought i had it |
| 03:10.25 | ahi2 | i had it somewher wlse before and it didnt work |
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| 03:11.26 | m0rd3cai | yea theyre already in the file, just need uncommenting them |
| 03:11.38 | m0rd3cai | and changing true or false |
| 03:12.48 | ahi2 | right |
| 03:13.27 | m0rd3cai | brb, truth time lol |
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| 03:19.10 | sponix | m0you can set autologin within your DE settings (it will modify the needed config for you) |
| 03:19.41 | sponix | OH, tab complete fail because he already freaking quit ! |
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| 03:36.58 | hjarvard | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.33 | sponix | hjarvard: what does this due ? And can't you just bring in a version from a repo ? |
| 03:38.41 | sponix | "what does this do?" |
| 03:38.48 | sponix | English is HARD |
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| 03:42.02 | hjarvard | sponix, yeah, I have dunst installed from the repo, I just wanted to learn debian packaging and used dunst as an example, here is full output http://paste.debian.net/1117807/ |
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| 03:43.44 | sponix | hjarvard: yeah, I got nothing for ya. Haven't learned about how to roll things up myself. Might be a future project/lesson for me |
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| 03:44.05 | sponix | somiaj: is always lurking and might be able to lend a hand |
| 03:44.19 | hjarvard | k, thanks |
| 03:45.22 | sponix | dpkg: you got any wisdom on this ? |
| 03:45.22 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 03:45.38 | sponix | you would think a bot named dpkg might know something about packaging lol |
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| 03:47.35 | hjarvard | we need an apt bot for this |
| 03:49.15 | ChmEarl | hjarvard, do you have debian/rules under your build tree? |
| 03:50.46 | hjarvard | ChmEarl, yes, here is the tree http://paste.debian.net/1117808/ |
| 03:51.45 | hjarvard | basically, I got dunst using `apt-get source dunst` |
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| 03:54.20 | ChmEarl | hjarvard, dh_listpackages |
| 03:54.51 | hjarvard | ChmEarl, I need to run this inside chroot? |
| 03:55.17 | ChmEarl | hjarvard, from top of buildroot |
| 03:57.06 | hjarvard | ah, I thought I only needed sbuild on the host and everything else will be inside chroot, I installed debhelper on the host, dh_listpackages returns `dunst` |
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| 03:59.31 | hjarvard | here is output from sbuild now http://paste.debian.net/1117809/ I guess I have to install -dev packages, but then why do I need chroot for? |
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| 04:02.18 | hjarvard | ChmEarl, in order to build a package, I must install all -dev dependencies on the host system? |
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| 04:08.43 | quarters | hello. I seem to be having difficulty installing openjdk8 on debian buster and was wondering if anyone can help |
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| 04:10.53 | hjarvard | quarters, hi, what is your issue? |
| 04:12.13 | sponix | hjarvard: likely that 8 is depreciated and not in any of the repos for security reasons ? |
| 04:12.18 | sponix | that is probably the issue |
| 04:12.29 | sponix | And he needs it for Minecraft |
| 04:12.51 | quarters | hjarvard, I get this issue: "E: Package 'openjdk-8-jdk' has no installation candidate" |
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| 04:13.35 | hjarvard | sponix, you're an oracle lol |
| 04:14.03 | hjarvard | quarters, see above |
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| 04:14.53 | sponix | quarters: ditch Debian, Install MX Linux -- Tell it you want Java 8 from the "MX Installer" it provides ... It will do that, and you can play your Minecraft... Come back later and thank me |
| 04:15.30 | sponix | OR, go download that old Java 8 from the MX Linux repos, and dpkg it in :) |
| 04:15.33 | quarters | and then I tried to follow this thread: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/57031649/how-to-install-openjdk-8-jdk-on-debian-10-buster |
| 04:15.50 | quarters | do people on linux play minecraft? |
| 04:16.02 | quarters | I thought that was a windows thing |
| 04:17.27 | hjarvard | quarters, what do you need jdk8 for? you might try amazon corretto instead of openjdk |
| 04:17.41 | sponix | quarters: looks too complicated for me, and probably you also. https://mxlinux.org/download-links/ but it to a USB stick with the tool from etcher.io -- Install, and enjoy :) |
| 04:17.51 | quarters | to run Cassandra |
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| 04:18.13 | quarters | sponix, yeah. I'm finding myself going down dependency hell |
| 04:18.38 | quarters | and found a thread that kind of forecasts what I would go through here: https://www.mail-archive.com/tor-bugs@lists.torproject.org/msg200784.html |
| 04:18.46 | sponix | Client: HexChat 2.14.2 ⢠OS: MX ""patito feo"" 19 ⢠CPU: Genuine Intel(R) CPU @ 2.90GHz (1.41GHz) ⢠Memory: Physical: 30.7 GiB Total (9.2 GiB Free) Swap: 3.9 GiB Total (3.8 GiB Free) ⢠Storage: 17.6 TB / 23.0 TB (5.4 TB Free) ⢠VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GM206 [GeForce GTX 960] @ Intel Corporation Xeon E7 v3/Xeon E5 v3/Core i7 DMI2 ⢠Uptime: 3w 0d 11h 20m 0s |
| 04:19.00 | quarters | so I came here for a more straightforward solution |
| 04:19.05 | sponix | quarters: I have not regretting my change to MX. I feel you will not either |
| 04:19.33 | sponix | be back in 20 minutes |
| 04:19.41 | quarters | the thing is, I'm trying to install this on a vm provided by google which is locked to debian |
| 04:20.36 | quarters | this.is.brutal :) |
| 04:21.06 | hjarvard | quarters, maybe corretto and cassandra will go along, I think 8 version is still supported https://docs.aws.amazon.com/corretto/latest/corretto-8-ug/downloads-list.html |
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| 04:22.02 | hjarvard | latest version released 5 days ago |
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| 04:22.43 | quarters | hjarvard, thanks! I'll try that now |
| 04:22.56 | quarters | yay |
| 04:23.11 | quarters | cassandra's still b0rked |
| 04:23.45 | hjarvard | what's the error message? |
| 04:23.55 | quarters | Connection error: ('Unable to connect to any servers', {'127.0.0.1': error(111, "Tried connecting to [('127.0.0.1', |
| 04:23.55 | quarters | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:24.33 | swift110 | hey |
| 04:24.35 | hjarvard | does the service running? |
| 04:24.52 | quarters | yes it is |
| 04:25.59 | quarters | I've been going down this thread for this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/27004773/cassandra-cqlsh-unable-to-connect-to-any-servers-127-0-0-19160-closed-is-a |
| 04:26.15 | quarters | which is how I found the java 8 related solution |
| 04:26.43 | sponix | quarters: 1) what is cassandra ? and 2) are you sure you have it configured for localhost at port 9042 ? |
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| 04:28.12 | quarters | sponix, 1) it's a nosql database 2) the yaml file seems to suggest so, plus leaving the config as is works out of the box locally for me |
| 04:28.50 | quarters | wtf |
| 04:28.53 | quarters | it's working now |
| 04:28.53 | hjarvard | quarters, so cassandra is working locally? |
| 04:29.05 | quarters | I hate magic |
| 04:29.13 | quarters | I wish I knew what happened |
| 04:29.28 | quarters | w/e |
| 04:29.38 | quarters | thanks, hjarvard! |
| 04:29.46 | hjarvard | maybe it just needs time to start |
| 04:29.50 | hjarvard | java duh |
| 04:29.53 | hjarvard | quarters, np |
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| 04:30.55 | sponix | quarters: so you are all good ? |
| 04:31.07 | quarters | sponix, yep :D |
| 04:31.24 | sponix | Okay... I had a java 8 method for ya ready. But if it is going, whatever :) |
| 04:31.50 | hjarvard | just don't forget to update jdk and cassandra, or at least don't expose it over the internet :) |
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| 04:32.25 | sponix | hjarvard: well java 8 is past EOL, so it isn't gonna get any more security updates, that is why it has been pulled most everywhere |
| 04:32.33 | quarters | hjarvard, don't expose the service with cassandra over the net? |
| 04:32.51 | quarters | that was the reason I was trying to get java 8 |
| 04:33.16 | sponix | quarters: why aren't you looking at MongoDB or something ? |
| 04:33.54 | quarters | sponix, for funsies |
| 04:33.55 | hjarvard | sponix, I googled and the next version of cassandra will support jdk 11 so it should be all good |
| 04:33.57 | sponix | Or a google search of "current nosql databases on Linux Debian 10" |
| 04:34.11 | quarters | hjarvard, that's very good to know |
| 04:34.12 | sponix | hjarvard: nifty |
| 04:34.33 | sponix | pretty big support gap going from 8 to 11 lol |
| 04:34.43 | sponix | someone took a LONG vacation |
| 04:34.50 | quarters | especially if java 8's no longer getting security updates, you'd think that cassandra would support that asap |
| 04:34.53 | quarters | seriously |
| 04:34.54 | hjarvard | quarters, yeah, you don't want to expose your services to all the internet, it's better setup firewall to allow access from certain ip addresses |
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| 04:35.44 | sponix | quarters: creator of cassandra was most likely using MongoDB in the mean time ;) |
| 04:35.50 | quarters | lol |
| 04:36.04 | quarters | hjarvard, thanks for the tip. I'll do that |
| 04:36.09 | hjarvard | sponix, I remember the time when java 8 was the new shiny thing, how the time flies :) |
| 04:36.49 | sponix | hjarvard: remember when java wasn't bloated, and it was actually useful ? ... Um, yeah ... Neither do I -- lol |
| 04:37.10 | hjarvard | quarters, oh, and if you use cloud provider, then do set up firewall rules on the web console, not the vm itself, otherwise you can lose access to your server |
| 04:37.26 | sponix | Only thing Java has been good for, is to complete with Adobe Flash for having the most security issues |
| 04:37.48 | quarters | hjarvard, ah yeah. I'll do it there. |
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| 04:40.06 | hjarvard | sponix, yes, but there was no choice if one wants to develop apps on linux using statically typed language which is not terrifying |
| 04:40.22 | hjarvard | now that we have .net core things are changin |
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| 04:48.29 | oxek | does debian provide any webproxy for reading the debian wiki? Or is there a copy of the debian wiki somewhere online? |
| 04:49.19 | sponix | oxek: wiki.debian.org might work |
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| 04:50.18 | sponix | hjarvard: not sure MS .net is the answer to Linux problems. Specifically from a security stand point |
| 04:50.32 | sponix | quarters: you are on version 3.11.x of this Cassandra ? |
| 04:50.42 | sponix | quarters: with Debian 10 buster ? |
| 04:50.54 | quarters | no. 3.9 |
| 04:51.30 | sponix | quarters: ..... why 3.9 ? site says 3.11.5 is the current release actually done in 2019 |
| 04:52.08 | hjarvard | sponix, well, it might not be the answer but it's an option, and what's wrong with security? |
| 04:52.17 | sponix | http://cassandra.apache.org/download/ |
| 04:53.14 | sponix | hjarvard: You think Microsoft has a good security record ? |
| 04:54.56 | quarters | sponix, not sure. that's the version that I got from apt. I can try to run apt update/upgrade and try again |
| 04:55.13 | sponix | You put a Microsoft Rig in the DMZ, and my rig is always in the DMZ. In 6 months we will talk about who got owned, and who didn't :) |
| 04:55.33 | sponix | quarters: page there shows how to add their repo to Debian sources to pull something current from them |
| 04:55.44 | quarters | oh yeah. that's what I used |
| 04:56.13 | hjarvard | sponix, I can't say for all Microsoft, but .net side of things was quite good actually, I am/was .net developer and I can't remember security screw ups |
| 04:56.16 | quarters | oh. not the official docs, apparently |
| 04:56.19 | quarters | I see those now |
| 04:56.21 | quarters | http://cassandra.apache.org/download/ |
| 04:56.42 | sponix | quarters: hmm, not sure why it would do something that old then. try "apt-cache search cassandra" and see if there is more than one branch. You might have to do something like sudo apt install casandra-311 or such :) |
| 04:56.45 | hjarvard | sponix, nah, I'm good :) |
| 04:56.46 | quarters | not sure where I got my instructions from. maybe stackoverflow? |
| 04:57.02 | quarters | definitely |
| 04:57.53 | sponix | hjarvard: My Best friend programs MS Stuff for a Living, most of it .Net also... None of it likely on the Live internet for security testing :) |
| 04:59.35 | hjarvard | sponix, yeah, it's no wonder when all tasks must be done _yesterday_ :) |
| 04:59.59 | hjarvard | ... just a little hardcode here and a little hole there |
| 05:00.27 | sponix | hjarvard: I can't deny that .Net dev can get it done "faster" lol |
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| 05:01.35 | hjarvard | sponix, faster than java? totally, I tried it several times and just drowned in options |
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| 05:02.21 | sponix | hjarvard: he does internal custom accounting solutions with .Net and a lot of linking other existing systems together with it also |
| 05:03.48 | sponix | hjarvard: and for what it is worth, his code is likely still fairly secure and efficient because he is a freaking Genius and a hell of a problem solver. A lot of problems are more from laziness or ignorance than the language/libs itself :) |
| 05:04.02 | sponix | hjarvard: some just enable it easier than others... like "php" for example :) |
| 05:06.56 | hjarvard | sponix, well said :) I agree |
| 05:07.18 | sponix | hjarvard: know how I keep my code secure ? |
| 05:07.39 | hjarvard | sponix, by not writing it? lol |
| 05:07.42 | sponix | YEP |
| 05:07.46 | sponix | Bingo |
| 05:07.47 | hjarvard | :D |
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| 05:08.14 | sponix | Code that goes on my rig -- reviewed by the Debian team.. They do a much better job than I can |
| 05:08.48 | hjarvard | do you think they can review every single line of code? |
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| 05:09.46 | hjarvard | my guess is that quality varies from package to package |
| 05:10.57 | hjarvard | I had least problems with debian than with any other distro though |
| 05:11.04 | sponix | hjarvard: sure, and those program coders find and do what they can, and it gets rolled back in, and the process continues... And _all_ of those coders still know more about it than me, and likely are pretty good with their own specific programs and tid bits |
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| 05:12.17 | sponix | no such thing as perfect code when it is written by humans. BUT, I'm just looking to run what does the best for my use |
| 05:12.33 | sponix | That ends up being Debian mot of the time |
| 05:12.45 | hjarvard | sponix, sure, maintainers are doing a great job, I appreciate it, too |
| 05:12.47 | sponix | Or at least something pretty freaking close to it |
| 05:13.02 | sponix | hjarvard: you given Arch a try ? |
| 05:13.43 | hjarvard | sponix, yes, I tried all major distros, including gentoo :) |
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| 05:16.13 | sponix | hjarvard: if I was just doing a specific task per VM or so... Like just Bind DNS in one, or an nginx web server in another -- Arch would likely be my other choice, if it wasn't Debian |
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| 05:16.37 | sponix | hjarvard: Its base is comparably light and fast, and its packages are wicked current |
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| 05:17.54 | hjarvard | sponix, yep, it's a good choice for home usage, but for some serious production servers I wouldn't bet on rolling distro |
| 05:18.41 | hjarvard | sponix, on the second thought, it should be fine in a vm or a container |
| 05:18.43 | sponix | hjarvard: I have that feeling also. But I know some that do just that with Arch, and have had good results |
| 05:19.44 | sponix | hjarvard: My Arch instances are in VM's but I know folks with it as their daily driver that have been rocking it for years with nothing but good things to say |
| 05:20.04 | hjarvard | sponix, if you have backups and can respin new instance quickly then sure, why not :) |
| 05:20.46 | sponix | hjarvard: Yeah... I have a few stages of Arch, that I just clone off when I want to play with it more |
| 05:20.53 | sponix | But I do that with about anything |
| 05:21.54 | hjarvard | sponix, what software do you use for that? |
| 05:21.57 | sponix | no need to run through an hour install when I can clone it off in like 5 minutes |
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| 05:22.22 | sponix | hjarvard: right now VMware Workstation. Prior was just using vbox |
| 05:23.04 | hjarvard | sponix, I see, I always wanted to play with kvm and snapshots |
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| 05:25.01 | sponix | hjarvard: I did some kvm/qemu/virtmanager for a bit also |
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| 05:25.37 | sponix | it requires a bit more "effort / energy" at times then I have |
| 05:26.25 | hjarvard | sponix, hm, I guess so, like most of the OSS :) |
| 05:27.06 | sponix | for me, vm's are for tinkering/breaking things within the vm itself -- not so much doing that with the vm software itself lol |
| 05:27.50 | sponix | I did manager to somehow crash a vm hosted with VMware the other day with regular usage though - 1st time I've had it fail me like that. Hopefully the last |
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| 05:28.33 | sponix | hjarvard: kvm and all that gets me chasing version numbers, and doing crazy things with it, normally leading to stability issues and other bad behaviors |
| 05:29.16 | sponix | hjarvard: VMware, and VirtualBox being "less capable" of fun/crazy things is better for my productivity in helping users (and hosting them also) |
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| 05:30.48 | sponix | well.. way past my bedtime. I had better crash out |
| 05:31.05 | Reptili4n | later dude |
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| 05:35.16 | sponix | 3 Weeks since ditching Mint and going MX ... Outside of going Firefox-ESR instead of the regular ff branch. 0 issues |
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| 05:36.59 | Reptili4n | thats good, i am about to try bohdi linux |
| 05:37.50 | hjarvard | sponix, well, that's good to know, I'll take that into account, good night |
| 05:37.55 | sponix | hmm, I probably should shut the rig off to hookup this 12TB drive, and remove the 5 x 1TB set ... I do have "hotplug" enabled for Sata in the BIOS though, so what the hell -- maybe I'll give it a shot :P |
| 05:39.22 | sponix | whats the worst that could happen ? lol |
| 05:39.29 | Reptili4n | should be fine |
| 05:39.36 | Reptili4n | <3 |
| 05:40.41 | sponix | few months back when building my Aunt a rig, I needed a GPU, so I unhooked its PCIE Power and pulled it out of my rig -- Linux didn't fall on its nose then, surely a few Sata devices going in and out is legit |
| 05:41.33 | sponix | for some reason I feel _adding_ the 2nd GPU back in that way in reverse wouldn't turn out so well though |
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| 05:42.22 | Reptili4n | lolo last night i accidentally cleaned my 8 tb hdd instead of my 8gb usb using cmd |
| 05:42.31 | Reptili4n | so dont feel bad |
| 05:43.07 | sponix | Reptili4n: Ouch |
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| 05:44.08 | Reptili4n | i think i am going to be able to recover it |
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| 05:44.19 | Reptili4n | but lesson learned |
| 05:44.30 | Reptili4n | to pay attention |
| 05:44.39 | sponix | Reptili4n: if you haven't written to it since, and read up on testdisk - your odds are fairly decent |
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| 05:45.19 | sponix | Reptili4n: just need to boot off live media, install testdisk in the live, open ff to read on how to use it, and go to town :) |
| 05:45.48 | Reptili4n | thanks buddy i will try tat |
| 05:45.53 | Reptili4n | that^ |
| 05:46.22 | sponix | Reptili4n: I think for that reason I'm gonna ZFS my new drive also. you can do things like cat /dev/urandom > /dev/sdj to the drive, and it will just ignore you :) |
| 05:47.11 | Reptili4n | nice good thinkin |
| 05:47.46 | sponix | Okay, I'm really gonna crash this time |
| 05:47.50 | sponix | good chat |
| 05:48.32 | Reptili4n | taker easy thanks for the tips |
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| 06:06.00 | seengr | ssa audio mp3 file:https://pc.cd/A7motalKupmc 112319https://pc.cd/eEd7veteran:https://pc.cd/Ric ssa audio mp3 file:https://pc.cd/A7motalKupmc 112319https://pc.cd/eEd7veteran:https://pc.cd/Ric ssa audio mp3 file:https://pc.cd/A7motalKupmc 112319https://pc.cd/eEd7veteran:https://pc.cd/Ric Apt7 album:https://ibb.co/album/cORCYvIDz album:https://ibb.co/album/jCnpDvSSA album:https://ibb.co/album/ma6mtvELK |
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| 06:06.01 | seengr | file:https://pc.cd/A7motalKupmc 112319https://pc.cd/eEd7veteran:https://pc.cd/Ric ssa audio mp3 file:https://pc.cd/A7motalKupmc 112319https://pc.cd/eEd7veteran:https://pc.cd/Ric ssa audio mp3 file:https://pc.cd/A7motalKupmc 112319https://pc.cd/eEd7veteran:https://pc.cd/Ric ssa audio mp3 file:https://pc.cd/A7motalKupmc 112319https://pc.cd/eEd7veteran:https://pc.cd/Ric ssa audio mp3 |
| 06:06.01 | seengr | file:https://pc.cd/A7motalKupmc 112319https://pc.cd/eEd7veteran:https://pc.cd/Ric Apt7 album:https://ibb.co/album/cORCYvIDz album:https://ibb.co/album/jCnpDvSSA album:https://ibb.co/album/ma6mtvELK album:https://ibb.co/album/dix4fa ssa audio mp3 file:https://pc.cd/A7motalKupmc 112319https://pc.cd/eEd7veteran:https://pc.cd/Ric ssa audio mp3 file:https://pc.cd/A7motalKupmc |
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| 07:04.49 | DJDan | in debian buster, what do i need to use in order to setup the a, mx, ns and other records for my domain? |
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| 07:09.05 | jm_ | DJDan: a dns server |
| 07:09.57 | DJDan | yeah how do i do it? |
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| 07:10.53 | DJDan | jm_: i got a VPS the other day. Got the http/https part done. Now i just need to workout the DNS Server and Mail Server |
| 07:10.57 | jm_ | https://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 but there are many other docs for it out there |
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| 07:11.45 | DJDan | so bind9 thanks.. is that what all linux distributions generally use? |
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| 07:12.09 | jm_ | I would say most people use that, but there are other servers too |
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| 07:17.21 | DJDan | oh ok cool |
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| 07:25.45 | DJDan | jm_: how do i know what to setup under dns management on my new vps. should i download old webhosting providor cpanel zone file or something |
| 07:26.45 | DJDan | hmm /etc/resolv.conf already has stuff |
| 07:26.49 | DJDan | for nameserver |
| 07:28.00 | jm_ | DJDan: the zone file could probably serve as a starting point |
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| 07:28.32 | DJDan | jm_: the vps already has /etc/resolv.conf setup to 3 nameserver has that got anything to do with my domain stuff |
| 07:28.39 | DJDan | cause it says domain mydomain.com |
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| 07:32.50 | jm_ | DJDan: resolv.conf is used by resolver, so client side |
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| 07:44.23 | jaggz | darn web references. How do I list all installed packages from a repository? this isn't working: aptitude search "?origin (deb.debian.org) ?installed" |
| 07:44.33 | jaggz | (it's putting out emptiness) |
| 07:46.30 | jm_ | !which repo |
| 07:46.30 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try https://www.palfrader.org/gitweb/?p=tools/weaselutils.git;a=blob_plain;f=apt-listrepository or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list> |
| 07:47.17 | jaggz | jm_, that's a pretty command. some version of it might even work for listing all installed packages from a repo |
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| 07:52.27 | jm_ | jaggz: btw, Origin is not deb.debian.org but something like Debian:10.1/stable |
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| 07:53.16 | jaggz | jm_, damned web page references. Yeah, and apt-cache policy doesn't seem to show it.. how do I get a list of origins? |
| 07:53.44 | jaggz | (I'm testing if synaptic will work for my needs right now -- before continuing my search for functioning guidance) |
| 07:53.53 | jaggz | (related to my failed web searches, not your help) |
| 07:54.23 | jm_ | jaggz: my best idea is «grep Origin /var/lib/apt/lists/*_InRelease» |
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| 07:55.58 | jm_ | aptitude -F '%O' search ... can also show it |
| 07:56.12 | jm_ | you obviously want more fields listed to make it useful |
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| 07:56.41 | jaggz | jm_ trying those. (synaptic is the most convenient for me just examining things, by the way) |
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| 07:56.55 | jaggz | I almost never touch synaptic.. |
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| 08:08.08 | ratrace | sponix: yes, sure |
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| 08:29.09 | xormor | so I got Ctrl+Alt+End to display the gnome-system-monitor and Ctrl+Pause/Break to start xkill. Good times with my Debian GNOME desktop. |
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| 08:31.26 | WoC | how was it you add a 2nd arch type for your installaion ? i.e. amd64 as primary and x86 as secondary for 32 bit retro compability ? |
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| 09:24.30 | dob1 | it's not clear to me: using iptables ..... -d somehost -j DROP will drop/close established connection too? |
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| 09:29.30 | jm_ | dob1: in general no, but obviously a rule may affect new packets for existing connections |
| 09:30.09 | dob1 | jm_, ok how to close established connection ? (on forward chain) |
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| 09:31.23 | jm_ | dob1: I have a recollection of a tool, let me see if i can find it |
| 09:31.40 | dob1 | tcpkill ? it doesn't work on forward chain |
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| 09:39.20 | jm_ | hmm can't remember it |
| 09:39.27 | dob1 | no problem :) |
| 09:40.51 | den_erpel | I am trying to preseed a buster (10.2) iso to do unattended install (UEFI). When running it on VirtualBox, the entire install runs fine. When running it on the particular hardware; the install stops at 2 places: |
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| 09:41.31 | den_erpel | [1] No common cd-rom found. This one is fixed by either linking /dev/sdb to /dev/cdrom (no drivers need to be added) |
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| 09:42.14 | den_erpel | [2] It fails to install grub/uefi. Inspecting the logs shows that it tries to remount the cdrom device in-target, but again, it fails to identify /dev/sdb as cdrom |
| 09:42.40 | jm_ | dob1: that's why I couldn't find it https://packages.debian.org/sid/cutter |
| 09:42.41 | den_erpel | I suppose I could figure out how to manually hack this, but this will not bring my closer to a solution, so hence my question: |
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| 09:43.31 | den_erpel | Is there a linux kernel command line or a debian installer preseed option or a installer env value that I have missed so that I can force /dev/sdb to be the location of the iso/netinst installer (that I have missed) |
| 09:44.22 | den_erpel | I've found some references to similar issues, but none that really have a solution |
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| 09:55.47 | ratrace | Guys, question. I ran reportbug but I don't have the sendmail binary installed (or any MTA for that matter) on that computer. Does that mean it didn't send the bug report and I must mail it myself? the tool didn't complain about an error or missing sendmail.... :/ |
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| 10:22.50 | megatog | is there some way to have xorg load much earlier in the boot process? |
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| 10:23.55 | megatog | or is there a really good reason why it loads the login manager/xorg as late as it does? |
| 10:25.10 | livebrain | i dont even know what to say megatog |
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| 10:25.34 | ratrace | megatog: it's run as a dependency of graphical.target methinks, so it's run as early as possible when deps and requirements are met |
| 10:25.37 | livebrain | do you drive your car first and start the engine later ? |
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| 10:25.46 | ratrace | however... what's the actual problem you're seeing? |
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| 10:31.00 | oiaohm | megatog: there are a few things. X.org when it starts now has not always been as late is it is now in most distributions. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth Some distributions did do graphical splash screens in x.org. When using direct drm/kms these days is dependable no point to that any more. |
| 10:31.18 | oiaohm | megatog: the login bit there is still stuff that needs to be readly before you can process a login. |
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| 10:36.04 | aurelien | Hi #debian |
| 10:36.10 | megatog | oiaohm: yes i do recall redhat/fedora loading xorg very early in the boot process to show the boot messages |
| 10:36.28 | aurelien | following https://wiki.debian.org/BuildADebianKernelPackage I did not get the dbgsym package |
| 10:36.33 | megatog | i could be misremembering |
| 10:36.36 | aurelien | any idea why? |
| 10:37.37 | megatog | livebrain: a car can be started that way, ironically |
| 10:38.09 | ratrace | megatog: xorg never did show boot messages, you're confusing things. so, what's the actual problem you want to solve? |
| 10:38.12 | ratrace | !xy |
| 10:38.12 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 10:39.00 | megatog | ratrace: there is no problem |
| 10:39.23 | ratrace | megatog: then what do you want to achieve? |
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| 10:39.29 | oiaohm | megatog: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzU4NA your memory is not wrong. But from but by 2011 it was done any more. |
| 10:39.39 | oiaohm | megatog: basically a 2 year time window. |
| 10:39.41 | megatog | it's been a long time since i saw it but it did have a cursor and it showed a progress bar at the top and showed boot messages in a text box |
| 10:39.58 | oiaohm | 2009-2011. |
| 10:40.14 | ratrace | megatog: remove "quiet" from the kernel command line via /etc/default/grub, and run update-grub if you wanna see "boot messages". not sure about progress bar, that sounds like maybe plymouth or some other tool like that |
| 10:40.15 | megatog | i was just wondering if it was still possible to do this or why the feature fell off with distributions |
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| 10:43.26 | jm_ | megatog: you mean plymouth? try installing that |
| 10:44.50 | ratrace | but plymouth _hides_ boot messages with a graphical splash screen |
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| 10:45.15 | jm_ | yeah I thought they wanted to see progress bar, not boot messages :) |
| 10:45.56 | ratrace | the original question wanted boot messages |
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| 10:46.26 | ratrace | infact, the original question wanted xorg, because it's an XY problem... we had to pry out of them that they want boot messages (and apparently progress bar at the same time) |
| 10:47.15 | megatog | ratrace: original question didn't say anything about boot messages |
| 10:47.37 | megatog | all i asked was if it was possible to load xorg much earlier in the boot process |
| 10:47.47 | megatog | you're reading way too much into the question |
| 10:48.12 | megatog | my question is pretty much answered |
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| 10:48.27 | ratrace | and that's what I said, you originally wanted xorg |
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| 10:50.37 | megatog | < ratrace> the original question wanted boot messages |
| 10:50.45 | megatog | coulda fooled me |
| 10:50.55 | megatog | but thanks for the help |
| 10:50.56 | ratrace | megatog: 11:46 < ratrace> infact, the original question wanted xorg, ... |
| 10:51.41 | megatog | you then later go on to say "we had to pry out of them that they |
| 10:51.42 | megatog | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.16 | ratrace | yup |
| 10:52.26 | megatog | i didnt actually want that at all, i only said that the first time i saw something like what i was asking about included that |
| 10:52.48 | ratrace | good, then problem solved. |
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| 10:54.43 | megatog | i really wanted to know if it was possible to get the login manager started and finish loading all the other non-xorg-related things in the background but we got off track, but it appears that it's not possible |
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| 10:54.56 | megatog | so whatever |
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| 10:56.05 | ratrace | well, xorg / DM does load as soon as possible. you might be able to tweak it to run sooner by relaxing or changing dependency order, but that'd probably break everything |
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| 10:56.50 | ratrace | it's also being loaded "in the background" kinda, as systemd will parallelize where possible, sastisfying the dependency graph |
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| 10:58.19 | megatog | i get the feeling it depends on a lot more now than it did in 2009 when i watched fedora boot in college |
| 10:59.29 | ratrace | megatog: are you referring to fedora's splash screen on boot with that progress bar? but that's not xorg doing afaik |
| 10:59.39 | ratrace | it's plymouth |
| 10:59.41 | megatog | i distinctly remember a cursor |
| 10:59.54 | ratrace | cursor is not depending on xorg, see gpm |
| 10:59.55 | megatog | yeah im fully aware that i might be wrong |
| 11:01.28 | megatog | it wasn't like a gpm cursor though, it was like an x cursor with a bitmap |
| 11:01.41 | megatog | but nevermind, it's not possible |
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| 11:02.15 | ratrace | I understand, just saying you don't need xorg to be able to read mouse events and draw a cursor in the fb |
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| 11:33.29 | dka | On Intellij, I can't get the System enviroment variable |
| 11:33.44 | dka | I have tried in .profile, .bash_profile, .bashrc |
| 11:34.12 | dka | everytime I add "export MY_ENV=test" and go in the Run/Debug Configurations and check my environmt variable, I see system environment and mine is not included |
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| 11:34.32 | dka | I am trying to get env in my intellij gradle context |
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| 11:37.06 | ratrace | dka: where do you add that export? |
| 11:37.17 | dka | I have tried in .profile, .bash_profile, .bashrc |
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| 11:37.38 | ratrace | dka: no, you need to figure out how your DM solves it. For example, my i3-wm setup I use ~/.xsessionrc to set up additional env |
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| 11:37.49 | jm_ | you need to start intellij from shell that has it set |
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| 11:38.14 | dka | if I run idea from terminal then I must keep the terminal open |
| 11:38.16 | dka | that's annoying |
| 11:38.37 | jm_ | you don't need to, you can start it in the background and detach it |
| 11:38.45 | dka | how? |
| 11:38.59 | ratrace | dka: right so you need to set up env the way your DM expects it. the ~/.xsessionrc I use with i3-wm / LightDM |
| 11:39.01 | jm_ | is it bash? |
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| 11:39.13 | dka | yes |
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| 11:39.46 | dka | ratrace, .xsessionrc doesn't work either |
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| 11:39.51 | jm_ | idea & disown |
| 11:40.01 | ratrace | dka: is ~/.xsessionrc sourced by your DM? |
| 11:40.12 | dka | define DM |
| 11:40.19 | ratrace | display manager, login manager |
| 11:40.20 | jm_ | maybe you need to tell it to use the debian session |
| 11:40.40 | dka | jm how? |
| 11:40.44 | ratrace | dka: of course, you DO have to logout / login after you alter that file |
| 11:41.12 | jm_ | dka: DM would typically have a session choice somewhere in its menus |
| 11:41.13 | dka | launchin with disown seems to bring them |
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| 11:41.54 | dka | should I alter my shortcut and add & disown at the end? |
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| 11:42.43 | ratrace | dka: eh... you using a .desktop shortcut? |
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| 11:43.30 | jm_ | no, disown is purely if you start it from shell |
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| 11:43.46 | dka | ratrace, yes |
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| 11:43.48 | ratrace | dka: then you can also add the env IN it.... https://askubuntu.com/questions/144968/set-variable-in-desktop-file |
| 11:43.50 | dka | jm how can I do it with a shortcut? |
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| 11:44.28 | Nahra | Hello. Which bonding mode is the best when bonding ethernet and wifi interfaces? |
| 11:44.28 | jm_ | dka: you don't need to bother with background and disown for shortcuts |
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| 11:44.56 | eypo | Nahra: you mean bridging, not bonding. |
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| 11:45.08 | dka | shortcut doesn't load env jm |
| 11:45.17 | Nahra | eypo: no, bonding |
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| 11:45.26 | ratrace | dka: did you see the link I posted above? |
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| 11:46.00 | Nahra | eypo: well, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_aggregation |
| 11:46.02 | dka | that does not help because I want to get them loaded from a file |
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| 11:46.18 | jm_ | dka: yeah, you have two issue, env and the fact terminal had to be running, my advices were for the latter |
| 11:46.33 | jm_ | as for env, which DM do you use? |
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| 11:46.42 | dka | cinnamon |
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| 11:47.46 | Nahra | eypo: ? |
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| 11:50.40 | jm_ | dka: try cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 11:51.07 | eypo | Nahra, In your scenario 802.3ad won't work. Active-backup is a safe bet. |
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| 11:53.59 | ratrace | dka: cinnamon is not a manger, it's a DE. which login manager you use? GDM? |
| 11:54.04 | ratrace | lol manger |
| 11:54.24 | Nahra | eypo: I tried 802.3ad and got some troubles yes (about Wi-Fi NIC unknow speed for example). Let's try active-backup then! |
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| 11:55.42 | jelly | Nahra: LACP (802.3ad) needs to be supported and configured on both ends, all the ports in the switch(es), and the all the ports on the server side |
| 11:55.50 | den_erpel | OK, figured it out, the script list_devices list listing usb-partitions in /sys/block/*/*; so it does not catch the device that is in /sys/block/* |
| 11:55.55 | jelly | (all the relevant ports, that is) |
| 11:56.00 | den_erpel | testing now |
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| 11:58.16 | Nahra | jelly: my goal is to use bonding on laptop. Is it still possible? |
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| 11:58.32 | eypo | Nahra, https://rafalgolarz.com/blog/2018/01/10/bonding_wifi_and_ethernet_interfaces/ |
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| 11:59.51 | Nahra | eypo: I use systemd... |
| 12:01.00 | Nahra | eypo: And: |
| 12:01.01 | Nahra | Speed: Unknown |
| 12:01.07 | Nahra | Duplex: Unknown |
| 12:01.41 | jelly | Nahra: by systemd, do you mean systemd-networkd? |
| 12:02.07 | eypo | Nahra, but does it work? can you pull the rj-45 and the bond interface still works? |
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| 12:03.51 | nvz | I thought the main points of bonding were redundancy and speed.. I fail to see how there is any point bonding wifi and ethernet on a laptop |
| 12:04.03 | ratrace | you just said, redundancy |
| 12:04.04 | nvz | especially if to the same router |
| 12:04.40 | nvz | its only redundant if you have two totally seperate connectins powered and routed through different means |
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| 12:05.40 | ratrace | that'd be the most used case yes |
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| 12:06.12 | Nahra | jelly: yes |
| 12:06.40 | nvz | ah, right.. I forget sometimes to think like a jag.. you could also be trying to leech two servings of bandwidth on a network you don't control I suppose :P |
| 12:06.50 | eypo | I'm not sure if it's worth the hazzle, tough |
| 12:07.26 | ratrace | nvz: or be able to unplug laptop and walk around the house then come back and plug it back in with no need to fiddle with connections manually |
| 12:07.41 | Osprey_Jr | In Debian 10 after gnome enables the energy saver for screen, a new login resets the backlight settings. Which system file is appropriate to set an intel_reg write command? |
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| 12:10.27 | nvz | Osprey_Jr: what do you mean? is a "intel_reg write command" an actual command? A sys interface? a proc interface? |
| 12:10.41 | Nahra | jelly: Isn't it possible? |
| 12:10.51 | nvz | Osprey_Jr: in any case if you want it to happen at login you probabl wanna hook the DM or Session manager |
| 12:11.09 | jm_ | I was wondering about that too, but then I thought maybe that's something related to wayland or whatever |
| 12:11.13 | Osprey_Jr | nvz: intel_reg write is a command for the intel tools. |
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| 12:11.49 | nvz | Osprey_Jr: ok, well you should have some thing in your gnome settings that mentions session or startup where you can add commands to run at login |
| 12:12.25 | Osprey_Jr | nvz: Okay, but is it a proper loging when the user enters the password in the screen saver? |
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| 12:12.59 | jelly | Nahra: might be, but I honestly don't know, don't use networkd |
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| 12:14.23 | Osprey_Jr | nvz: The session is still running, but after entering the ss password the backlight registers get reset. |
| 12:14.53 | nvz | Osprey_Jr: do you actually want backlight dimming to occur at all? |
| 12:15.19 | Nahra | jelly: OK. What mode would you suggest according my need? |
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| 12:16.36 | Osprey_Jr | nvz: problem is not dimming but bad flickering. ;-) |
| 12:17.18 | Osprey_Jr | nvz: some older ThinkPads have a PWM backlight with low refresh rates. |
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| 12:17.27 | nvz | Osprey_Jr: sounds to me like you'd be better off disabling control of the backlight by any power management |
| 12:19.08 | Osprey_Jr | nvz: power management works fine. Just setting the proper pwm frequency is required. At system startup used to be fine. But you are right, disabling the pm might help. |
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| 12:20.13 | nvz | you can't so easily force other tools to do things differently but you could disable them and put together your own means of doing things |
| 12:20.40 | nvz | Osprey_Jr: what model do you have? |
| 12:20.47 | Osprey_Jr | nvz: yes, true. T520 |
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| 12:24.11 | jelly | Nahra: active-backup seems reasonable to try, as ey'po and that URL suggested |
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| 12:28.52 | nvz | Osprey_Jr: the arch wiki suggests using udev for this |
| 12:29.13 | nvz | Osprey_Jr: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Backlight#Backlight_PWM_modulation_frequency_(Intel_i915_only) |
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| 12:30.23 | nvz | Osprey_Jr: the three files they use are shown under sources in https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/intelpwm-udev/ |
| 12:31.09 | nvz | consists of a udev rule, script, and config file |
| 12:31.52 | Nahra | jelly: OK. Then let's try it! |
| 12:32.37 | Osprey_Jr | nvz: Thank you! I will read into that udev topic. |
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| 12:33.25 | nvz | Osprey_Jr: if its useful, someone should probably add it to the thinkwiki cause there is no mention of this issue in the T520 page of thinkwiki |
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| 12:34.23 | nvz | I have a lenovo t440 and I have not noticed this issue.. but my screen is not stock.. 1080p wasn't an option on this model.. not sure what kinda screen this kid got to put on here |
| 12:35.10 | Osprey_Jr | nvz: Good hint! It might also depend on the screen type. This here is a high resolution display. |
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| 12:36.09 | nvz | Osprey_Jr: well what I read on arch wiki and lenovo forums does suggest the pwm is display specific.. in that its not the laptop telling it to do this.. the laptop is just saying, hey, adjust your brigtness.. and its the electronics on the display chosing how to handle that request |
| 12:36.27 | nvz | they are suggesting changing the panel could eliminate this issue |
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| 12:38.53 | nvz | udev does seem logical though, it can respond to events more easily.. and this rule they have on arch seems to respond to any change to the backlight |
| 12:39.04 | nvz | regardless of what does it |
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| 12:41.31 | Osprey_Jr | nvz: Yes, it's the backlight kernel module that manages that. Standard is acpi_video0 kernel module, on intel systems it is intel_backlight. |
| 12:42.11 | nvz | dpkg, intelpwm is <reply>intelpwm is a nifty udev trick in archlinux for fixing a quirky intel pwm backlight using a udev rule, script, and config file, the three files are available under sources at https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/intelpwm-udev/ |
| 12:42.13 | dpkg | nvz: okay |
| 12:43.02 | nvz | someone should perhaps RFP that for debian.. its a simple enough package |
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| 12:44.25 | Osprey_Jr | nvz: At least the necessary intel-gpu-tools are in the standard debian repositories. |
| 12:44.52 | nvz | the problem with that udev package they have is, it requires some hacking and knowledge to make sure its set right.. |
| 12:45.17 | nvz | its a good template to solve the problem but doesnt seem to have a tool to aid in getting it set right |
| 12:45.32 | nvz | or documentation |
| 12:45.34 | Osprey_Jr | nvz: oha! I've never worked with udevs yet. |
| 12:46.12 | nvz | udev can be incredibly useful for quirky stuff.. I've done it before but I'm not savvy enough to make it one of my go-to solutions |
| 12:46.40 | nvz | its more a last-resort for me.. where if you master udev I'm sure you could use it for a lot of things |
| 12:47.15 | Osprey_Jr | That sounds tempting. |
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| 12:51.16 | nvz | I've had devices for example that had multiple modes normally switched by proprietary software.. where the device could present as and input or storage device or such.. |
| 12:51.36 | nvz | thats one of the kinds of things udev is for.. and its most common use.. but it has lots of other use cases |
| 12:52.23 | nvz | you can use it to assure a device gets a consistant device node for example.. match your device by any make/mode/serial/driver etc and make sure it always shows up on /dev/mydevice so you can easily script around it |
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| 12:52.58 | goody7 | hi |
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| 12:53.52 | nvz | goody7: not yet, but I'm working on it.. |
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| 12:55.09 | Osprey_Jr | nvz: I'll look into it. In the worst case it will just be a simple user loging script. |
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| 12:55.51 | nvz | Osprey_Jr: yeah this seems more thorough as it triggers on access to the kernel driver subsystem and hooks a script ad even provides a simple config file used by the script |
| 12:56.40 | nvz | https://wiki.debian.org/udev |
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| 12:56.47 | nvz | for general info on writing/reloading rules in debian |
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| 12:57.06 | Osprey_Jr | nvz: Thank you! :-) |
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| 13:27.38 | Specialist | hi! I am using /etc/network/interfaces to set up eth0 on Debian / Raspbian Buster: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/65a69f00/. for some reason the default route is not pointing to the gateway afterwards: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/41a121f1/. any idea? |
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| 13:45.37 | Peyam | hi |
| 13:45.54 | Peyam | I have a dictionary with multiple keys. How do I print the second key (Python) |
| 13:46.17 | Peyam | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.31 | Peyam | how do I print rtdbName? |
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| 13:46.58 | Guest43 | hi! |
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| 13:49.00 | ratrace | Peyam: print(_rtdbName) and if you mean something else, you need to give more context. there's also #python |
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| 13:53.58 | abspython | Where to get help regarding Debian Packaging? |
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| 13:57.07 | annadane | abspython, #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net for packages to be included in debian, or #packaging (also oftc) for generic questions, though i suppose it may be ok to ask here too? |
| 13:57.18 | annadane | :/ |
| 13:58.55 | hjarvard | abspython, I'm also trying to get into packaging and this is the most comprehensive guide I came up with https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
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| 13:59.22 | annadane | hjarvard, abspython left |
| 13:59.28 | hjarvard | that didn't go well |
| 13:59.36 | hjarvard | annadane, yep |
| 13:59.55 | annadane | and yeah i could've just linked that instead |
| 14:00.16 | annadane | well, freenode has memoserv, so i'll just message them |
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| 14:01.22 | annadane | OFTC doesn't, which is annoying |
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| 14:04.15 | hjarvard | annadane, that's cool feature, I didn't know irc can do that |
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| 15:04.19 | colo-work | what's responsible for setting the content of "/etc/papersize"? |
| 15:04.33 | petn-randall | colo-work: I'm guessing the admin. |
| 15:05.13 | greycat | I think the installer used to prompt you for it, once upon a time. |
| 15:05.17 | colo-work | according to dpkg-query, it doesn't belong to any package. where does it default come from, then? |
| 15:05.43 | colo-work | (I'm guessing it's locale-dependent, but I'd like to take a look under the hood :)) |
| 15:05.51 | greycat | grep -r papersize /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 15:06.12 | Habbie | that turns up libpaper1 for me |
| 15:06.15 | greycat | looks like "libpaper1" is the main dude |
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| 15:37.06 | ratrace | Buster now comes with only one IO scheduler? mq-deadline? there's no more (use for) CFQ? |
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| 15:37.59 | ksk | mhm, a quick websearch offered: "For Ubuntu 19.10 with Linux 5.3 the deadline, cfq and noop I/O schedulers are deprecated. " |
| 15:38.06 | ksk | not that buster has kernel 5.X, but.. |
| 15:38.40 | ratrace | Huh, let me rephrase that question. I see CFQ is in the kernel config, and even made default: CONFIG_DEFAULT_IOSCHED="cfq" but, /sys/block/<device>/queue/scheduler shows only mq-deadline and none |
| 15:39.19 | ratrace | and devices I checked are both spinning rust and ssd, they all show mq-deadline |
| 15:39.36 | jelly | ratrace: isn't there also "kyber" |
| 15:39.55 | ratrace | jelly: yes in config: CONFIG_MQ_IOSCHED_KYBER=m not in the /sys output |
| 15:40.05 | jelly | modprobe kyber-iosched ? |
| 15:40.13 | ratrace | I think I read somewhere that with mq-* schedulers, cfq is not considered by the kernel |
| 15:40.48 | jelly | single queue ioschedulers cant work with multiqueue *something* *mumble* |
| 15:41.36 | ratrace | yes so I'm guessing that mq-* stuff is recent, and deprecates single queue ones |
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| 15:41.44 | ratrace | found this that kinda implies it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/IOSchedulers |
| 15:42.22 | jelly | there's probably a boot time param to go back to single queue *mumble* and then you get back those ioscheds |
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| 15:42.55 | ratrace | no that I want them specifically, just trying to understand what's going on and what's better -- I'm assuming this mq-deadline default is better because it's default |
| 15:43.04 | ratrace | not* that |
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| 15:43.28 | jelly | it can hardly be worse than historically buggy cfq |
| 15:44.03 | ratrace | ah don't jinx it now :) |
| 15:44.14 | ratrace | it CAN be worse. always :) |
| 15:44.31 | greycat | yeah, it's not even on fire yet |
| 15:44.40 | ratrace | don't forget that mq* caused filesystem corruption at the dawn of 4.19 kernel, just before buster became stable |
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| 15:44.53 | ratrace | just = few months |
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| 15:46.01 | ratrace | ref: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.19-EXT4-Issue-Likely-MQ |
| 15:46.18 | jelly | new shit is buggy, that's normal. cfq having never worked well is a thing that spans probably a decade of kernels |
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| 15:49.38 | jelly | I think coworker has found about that before uh, 2008 on some fairly busy apache+caching frontends. We've basically been setting elevator=deadline at work ever since |
| 15:49.39 | orzen | Hi, just ran into a problem while upgrading. I'm running Sid and the upgrade will bring in kernel 5.3.0 and aufs-dkms can't build since it's dkms.conf is specifying kernel 5.2.*. I think this is causing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools to stall further in the upgrade process. How should I handle this? |
| 15:50.03 | jelly | !debian-nexy |
| 15:50.07 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 15:50.07 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:50.15 | orzen | ty |
| 15:50.45 | jelly | orzen: ^ ask there. Don't upgrade stuff that is broken or remove broken stuff if you don't need it. |
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| 15:51.20 | orzen | jelly: I relised it was broken during the upgrade |
| 15:51.23 | annadane | speaking of bugs, sid questions! |
| 15:51.33 | gvth | Hi; is btrfs stable enough for productive use? |
| 15:51.47 | jelly | orzen: thank you for running sid and findig bugs so that us normal users get releases of stable almost every two years on the clock. |
| 15:51.59 | ratrace | gvth: nope. https://wiki.debian.org/Btrfs#Warnings |
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| 15:52.48 | orzen | jelly: this is the first time I've had a bug and I've been running sid for 4 years on this machine |
| 15:53.36 | ratrace | lucky Luke |
| 15:53.51 | jelly | orzen: so other people are better at finding bugs than you. Get to it! |
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| 16:00.07 | gvth | ratrace: thanks for the link |
| 16:01.21 | ratrace | gvth: too many bugs and even more (undocumented) gotchas you have to learn. pass. |
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| 16:03.05 | gvth | ratrace: I mean... btrfs is being developed upon for years... I am wondering when it will be somewhat stable... |
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| 16:03.15 | greycat | Maybe never. |
| 16:03.37 | gvth | greycat: so what will be the successor to ext4? |
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| 16:03.53 | ratrace | gvth: xfs probably. since red hat dictates those terms.... |
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| 16:04.30 | gvth | ratrace: why does redhat dictate what Debian uses as standard? |
| 16:04.55 | jelly | gvth: ext4 is successor to ext4. Upstream has been adding and fixing features for the last 10 years. |
| 16:05.04 | jelly | same with xfs |
| 16:05.35 | ratrace | gvth: because debian doesn't want to go against the upstream. besides, btrfs never was supposed to be successor to ext4. their use cases are orhtogonal, one would say |
| 16:06.12 | jelly | gvth: because RedHat is where (many/most) actual devs doing actual coding for things like filesystems are; also testing on actual hardware. |
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| 16:07.14 | jelly | really likes that one ext4/e2fsprogs exception in Debian |
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| 16:08.50 | ratrace | jelly: exception? |
| 16:08.52 | annadane | i like how much you can trust debian. every time i feel there might be something better, i end up going back to debian and its defaults |
| 16:09.17 | annadane | like the choice to use ext4 instead of btrfs or zfs or the newest shiny toy though yeah i understand zfs is more bsd land |
| 16:09.54 | ratrace | annadane: quite the contrary, zfs on linux has become THE reference openzfs implementation |
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| 16:10.19 | jelly | ratrace: an upstream dev that is also a DD and doing stuff within Debian |
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| 16:10.32 | ratrace | jelly: ah |
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| 16:11.51 | ratrace | So... when is Debian gonna drop i386? *grin* (note the author) https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2019/11/25/2 |
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| 16:16.13 | ratrace | annadane: also, surprisingly, other than freebsd where it's not default iirc, no other bsd supports zfs unless they're a fork of freebsd. openbsd doesn't. netbsd doesn't (although it's a WIP). dragonfly has its own hammer. |
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| 16:16.44 | annadane | ufs is default, yeah |
| 16:17.03 | jelly | ratrace: I hope never, there's still no decent in-place upgrade path |
| 16:17.12 | annadane | also the fact zfs *needs* a lot of RAM... |
| 16:17.33 | ratrace | jelly: "upgrade"? what upgrade? I'm assuming people run i386 because they don't have 64-bit hw |
| 16:17.55 | ratrace | annadane: no, it needs 64MB at minimum |
| 16:18.03 | ratrace | it _thrives_ on more RAM, yes, but doesn't strictly need it |
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| 16:18.46 | ratrace | jelly: of course I don't mean multilib, even though that could be culled to support only major use cases like wine, steam and a few others |
| 16:19.47 | jelly | ratrace: dpkg --print-architecture = i386 here. |
| 16:19.56 | tradar | what filesisyem is the 'best' for USB flash pen drives and SSD? |
| 16:20.00 | hjarvard | I hope bcachefs will get into mainline in the near future |
| 16:20.16 | tradar | filesystem* |
| 16:21.11 | jelly | ratrace: had amd64 capable hw since 2006ish |
| 16:21.42 | ratrace | jelly: then whyyyy |
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| 16:22.07 | jelly | ratrace: I don't want to reinstall. |
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| 16:22.25 | ratrace | hjarvard: a fs done by ONE dev trying to be feature-compatible with decade old (paid) team effort that did ZFS or BTRFS? maybe in 20-30 years |
| 16:22.32 | jelly | I think I should not _have to_ reinstall. |
| 16:23.11 | ratrace | jelly: maybe you should and get rid of ze decade(s) old cruft :) |
| 16:23.12 | jelly | and the half-dozen howtos to do it in-place are hacks really |
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| 16:23.28 | hjarvard | ratrace: oh well :( |
| 16:23.34 | jelly | ratrace: maybe I shouldn't use Debian then |
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| 16:27.53 | gvth | I am also interested in the answer to tradar's question: What filesystem is recommended nowadays for usb flash drives? |
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| 16:28.47 | ratrace | I just use ext4. there's also F2FS that's supposedly designed specifically for flash, but I never used it |
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| 16:29.33 | gvth | ratrace: do you also use ext4 for your main productive desktop/laptop? |
| 16:29.38 | tradar | maybe ext2 ĸeĸ |
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| 16:29.45 | ratrace | gvth: no, ZFS |
| 16:30.04 | tradar | ext4 has the journal and that's bad |
| 16:30.11 | jelly | gvth: if they're cheap, use whatever fs is present on them by default, vfat or even exfat |
| 16:30.24 | ratrace | lolwut |
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| 16:31.01 | jelly | gvth: if you're sure the device is a decent SSD with mere usb connectivity, then it does not matter too much |
| 16:32.18 | tradar | i usually use ext2 (ext4 is a bad idea on USB drivers) but i would like to know if somebody knows more about the other filesystems (such as F2FS and NILFS). |
| 16:32.21 | ratrace | except for that tiny fact whre you lose all the perms and stuff on fat. and much more |
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| 16:33.36 | ratrace | tradar: do you actually have any numbers that measure the impact of journaling on USB drives? also did you know you could run ext4 with journaling disabled? |
| 16:33.37 | gvth | jelly: what? On a decent SSD it doesn't matter what fs is on it? |
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| 16:34.58 | gvth | ratrace: What the advantage of ext4 with journalling disabled over ext2? |
| 16:35.11 | gvth | *What's |
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| 16:36.34 | jelly | gvth: pretty much. ext4 seems to work and does not introduce _too much_ write multiplication with default settings. |
| 16:36.35 | tradar | ratrace: it should have some impacts when it is enabled, don't you think so? |
| 16:36.50 | gvth | Is it possible to create an ext4 fs with journalling disabledin order to not have to disable journalling every time it is mounted? |
| 16:36.51 | jelly | gvth: make sure you can read SMART and have backups. |
| 16:37.02 | ratrace | gvth: various features revolving around performance and reliability |
| 16:37.26 | tradar | gvth: yes with the -O option switch |
| 16:37.36 | ratrace | tradar: but how much? |
| 16:38.35 | tradar | ratrace: i don't know. I ask myself "yes or no?", not "how much?". It's just better not to have it, as far as i know. |
| 16:39.11 | ratrace | tradar: but how do you measure "better". is the speed improvement over benefits of journaling and other ext4 features, worth using ext2 |
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| 16:39.53 | tradar | if the hardware lasts longer, yes it is better to do so. |
| 16:39.59 | ratrace | _especially_ for USB drives where reliability is questionable and having some protection against corruption is always good |
| 16:40.07 | tradar | i use ext2 because it is easier to type mkfs.ext2 ... |
| 16:40.18 | tradar | than mkfs.ext4 -O ^has_journal ĸeĸ |
| 16:40.31 | ratrace | shrugs |
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| 16:45.34 | gvth | tests whether what ratrace did works for me, too |
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| 16:46.01 | ratrace | gvth: ? |
| 16:46.56 | gvth | ratrace: I was just testing whether I recalled correctly the "/me" feature |
| 16:47.27 | jelly | tradar: extents are probably worth having even if you need to type 20 characters more for mkfs |
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| 16:48.38 | ratrace | gvth: oh :) |
| 16:49.12 | jelly | gvth: btw. if smartctl can't read SMART from some of your usb devices, you can try using the non-free hdsentinel tool instead |
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| 16:49.46 | gvth | jelly: isn't SMART for hard disk drives only and not for SSDs? |
| 16:50.11 | tradar | jelly: yes if you need them. But what do you need xatts for, on an USB pen!? |
| 16:50.43 | zerocool | anyone know of an MUA that allows you to download attachments from multiple emails? |
| 16:51.13 | Habbie | gvth, smartctl is super useful for my NVME |
| 16:51.14 | zerocool | kmail use to do this, thunderbird use to do this but then required an addon which no longer works |
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| 16:51.36 | Habbie | zerocool, i bet mutt could do it |
| 16:51.40 | jelly | tradar: extents are large allocation units that may help kernel do larger writes on disk, xattrs, "extended attributes", are something different |
| 16:52.15 | tradar | ah yeah okay... if fact i was asking myself "don't do they exist also on ext2?" ĸeĸ |
| 16:52.21 | gvth | Habbie: NVME connoted the interface not the type of the drive |
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| 16:52.57 | jelly | zerocool: selecting some messages and telling it to "get any/all attachments from all of these and save them" ? |
| 16:53.02 | Habbie | gvth, fair - but it's not a spinning disk :) |
| 16:53.29 | gvth | Habbie: and you can usr smart on it? |
| 16:53.32 | gvth | *use |
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| 16:53.38 | Habbie | gvth, yes |
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| 16:53.47 | Habbie | SMART/Health Information (NVMe Log 0x02, NSID 0xffffffff) |
| 16:53.49 | Habbie | Critical Warning: 0x00 |
| 16:53.51 | Habbie | Temperature: 44 Celsius |
| 16:53.53 | Habbie | etc. |
| 16:53.55 | Habbie | something like 20 params |
| 16:54.16 | ratrace | SMART is not exclusive to spinning rust, why would it be... |
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| 16:54.47 | ratrace | it literally means "Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology" |
| 16:55.34 | gvth | I thought smart was only for spinning pieces of metal |
| 16:56.14 | ratrace | no |
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| 16:56.20 | Habbie | gvth, today you learned! |
| 16:56.40 | gvth | yes, alot |
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| 16:57.16 | ratrace | no, you've learned a lot. NOW you've learned about Alot: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html |
| 16:57.48 | greycat | an alot of learning is probably made out of mortarboards |
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| 16:58.04 | ratrace | ditto. |
| 16:58.41 | annadane | my day is ruined, thanks ratrace |
| 16:58.44 | gvth | ratrace: lol |
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| 17:00.13 | tradar | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NILFS#Relative_Performance |
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| 17:02.06 | gvth | just for your information, I wrote alot by mistake. I always try to be as correct as possible when writing as far as my English skills as a native German allow |
| 17:02.41 | gvth | ^^ excuse if that's not 100% correct English :) |
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| 17:02.44 | ratrace | but now you learned a lot about the alot. don't you love #debian? :) |
| 17:04.05 | ratrace | tradar: some benchmarks phoronix ran shows F2FS fail miserably against ext4, being that it's supposed to be designed FOR flash devices... for example https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-50-filesystems&num=1 |
| 17:04.09 | gvth | I love Debian and #debian alot. That's why I changed to it from windows almost 10 years ago (with about two months of ubuntu in between). |
| 17:04.16 | zerocool | Habbie: i think it will, yeah. |
| 17:04.43 | gvth | *switched to it |
| 17:04.59 | zerocool | jelly: 1 attachment from multiple emails, not multiple attachments from one email. |
| 17:05.00 | ratrace | tradar: also NILFS but it's an older test https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-41-filesystem&num=2 |
| 17:05.20 | zerocool | DMARC reports, so hundreds of emails |
| 17:05.27 | zerocool | per any given day |
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| 17:06.17 | ratrace | zerocool: for that case you can whip up a parser that extracts mime attachments from the maildirs. |
| 17:06.33 | tradar | gvth: https://www.dict.cc |
| 17:06.35 | ratrace | btw, are those spoof attempts reported, or? |
| 17:06.54 | gvth | tradar: what's the link for? |
| 17:07.15 | jelly | zerocool: if mime structure is always exactly the same, you can probably whip it up in mutt with macros yeah |
| 17:07.36 | gvth | tradar: I got a CLI dictionary application |
| 17:08.04 | gvth | ... on my laptop |
| 17:08.17 | jelly | zerocool: better thing to do is pipe each mail to a cli MIME tool. |
| 17:08.31 | jelly | apt-cache search mime attachment ... |
| 17:08.36 | jelly | ,i ripmime |
| 17:08.37 | judd | Package ripmime (mail, optional) in buster/amd64: Extract attachments out of MIME encoded emails. Version: 1.4.0.10.debian.1-2; Size: 81.7k; Installed: 191k; Homepage: http://www.pldaniels.com/ripmime/ |
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| 17:08.50 | jelly | untested. |
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| 17:11.08 | tradar | ratrace: i don't understand why it performs so slowly yet it was years ago. |
| 17:12.35 | tradar | on the other hand i expect copy-on-write filesystems to perform badly in in-place file modification (which i do not do on USB) |
| 17:12.52 | tradar | (for large files) |
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| 17:14.17 | ratrace | tradar: that was my whole point .. are you sure the theoretical benefits actually exist, and outweight other benefits of running a journaled ext4 |
| 17:14.36 | ratrace | tradar: same goes for CoW filesystems. _some_ use cases benefit from it, _some_ don't, regardless of underlying media |
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| 17:17.33 | tradar | little writings to USB are cached and written on sync/umount so the journal isn't much of help, and when the journal gets written it doesn't look useful to me other than for wearing the memory. I mean, it isn't only me who advocates not to use a journal on USB flash drives :P |
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| 17:18.03 | _DeLa_ | On my Debian 10 system, there is a "/home/user/" part before opening URLs / external links â which of course results in the links not being opened. This is not the case on my Lubuntu system so I assume it is not application-specific but OS-related. Any advice on how to fix this? |
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| 17:19.32 | ratrace | _DeLa_: ENOCONTEXT |
| 17:19.43 | jhutchins_wk | _DeLa_: No, it's not a general systemic problem. Most browsers work as expected. Which browser? |
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| 17:20.31 | zerocool | i remember why i didn't want to use mutt for this |
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| 17:21.45 | _DeLa_ | ratrace: For example: https://github.com/ramboxapp/community-edition/releases/ with my Telegram account: Clicking on a hyperlink in Lubuntu opens it, in Debian 10, it says 'couldn't find "/home/user/"URL' |
| 17:22.12 | ratrace | _DeLa_: what browser? any extensions that might mangle/mess with URLs? |
| 17:22.46 | _DeLa_ | ratrace: Firefox, but add-ons should be the same on both systems |
| 17:23.37 | _DeLa_ | ratrace: Mentioned rambox is an electronjs app btw |
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| 17:23.59 | ratrace | _DeLa_: wait, it happens both in firefox and in this rambox thing? |
| 17:24.27 | _DeLa_ | ratrace: the link is in rambox, which then tries to open it in firefox |
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| 17:25.09 | ratrace | _DeLa_: and how does the actual URL end up in FF? prefixed with file:// ? can you post an example? |
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| 17:26.47 | _DeLa_ | ratrace: erm...sorry, my bad: IIRC, no "file://" just a popup- but still in rambox â although it should try to open it in FF as my default browser... will reconstruct the exact situation again tomorrow I hope |
| 17:27.24 | ratrace | _DeLa_: sounds like totally an issue with that rambox app |
| 17:29.07 | _DeLa_ | ratrace: thanks for your feedback! I will keep an eye on that issue as I "feel" like this has happened before in another context as well... can't remember exactly.... but is on my radar from now on! |
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| 17:30.27 | ratrace | _DeLa_: what confuses me is that you said the issue was in Firefox but now you're saying it's not even opening Firefox, but "it should"? anyway, I was aiming at seeing what URL is given to FF, if it starts with file:// then that explains why local fs is tried, and that means whatever invoked FF, mangled th eURL |
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| 17:32.19 | _DeLa_ | ratrace: "it should" as it's my default browser ...IIRC, then it's just "/home/user/" and then the correct URL |
| 17:33.04 | gvth | does anyone know a link to a website listing all the Debian releases with release dates? |
| 17:33.17 | greycat | !release history |
| 17:33.17 | dpkg | Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17), Buster (10; 2019-07-06). Next: Bullseye. http://deb.li/it56U |
| 17:33.34 | greycat | which leads to https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-releases |
| 17:33.35 | gvth | greycat: thanks |
| 17:33.58 | ratrace | _DeLa_: but it's not even opening FF? whatever happens, happens inside this rambox app? |
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| 17:35.00 | _DeLa_ | ratrace: will reconstruct it ASAP (tomorrow, that might be) |
| 17:35.21 | annadane | that factoid is going to reach its character limit soon |
| 17:36.17 | dvs | then stop doing releases |
| 17:36.20 | gvth | ratrace: oh, as I see, unlike what dpkg posted, the link your provided is out-of-date since the release date for buster is missing |
| 17:36.29 | annadane | genius. dvs for DPL |
| 17:36.36 | dvs | heh |
| 17:37.21 | greycat | "2.22 (last revised 17th June 2017)" |
| 17:38.34 | gvth | ups, with my last post I wanted to address greycat and not ratrace... sorry... |
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| 17:59.53 | dob1 | refering to a question asked time ago I found this https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/449874/276987 I would like to test the last command, like a dry run, how can I do this? |
| 18:00.00 | dob1 | (nobody will remember my question) |
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| 18:03.24 | chimp | ask it |
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| 18:03.41 | ratrace | dob1: put echo instead of the last cp |
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| 18:04.49 | dob1 | ratrace, I don't like the output, all the filename is split in multiple lines |
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| 18:06.26 | ratrace | dob1: so what's the actual problem you wanna solve? |
| 18:06.27 | dob1 | the question was, find dir -type f -name somename and then copy them in a dir, but they have the same name so I like the approach to convert the path in a filename |
| 18:06.46 | ratrace | convert how? |
| 18:06.55 | greycat | We asked this last week... |
| 18:07.17 | ratrace | maybe I'll have more luck :) |
| 18:07.22 | dob1 | I like the approach on the question on stackoverflow, / -> _ |
| 18:07.48 | greycat | To the best of my knowledge, we've never received an answer as to WHY they want to copy "index.html" or "cover.jpg" or whatever it is, from umpteen different places, all into one place. |
| 18:07.50 | dob1 | so I can keep the information to where the file was |
| 18:07.51 | ratrace | dob1: so you literally want to achieve what's asked in that SO question? |
| 18:08.06 | dob1 | ratrace, yes |
| 18:08.46 | dob1 | greycat, I told you, it's like a backup |
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| 18:09.50 | greycat | Prior discussion at http://infobot.rikers.org/%23debian/20191122.html.gz starting 20:26.05 |
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| 18:10.33 | dob1 | ok but the echo command I am using for test is splitting the filepath (the real path), maybe because there are spaces ? |
| 18:11.03 | greycat | twobitsprite gave you a literal, spoon-fed answer at 20:32.57 (it should have an IFS= in it, though) |
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| 18:14.19 | dob1 | if I have a command that can convert a path to a filename, I could simply do, find dir -type f -name something -exec cp {} convert_name {} \; |
| 18:14.36 | dob1 | 'conver_name {}' |
| 18:14.42 | greycat | Why can't you use the answer that twobitsprite gave you? |
| 18:14.48 | ratrace | dob1: did you try what greycat pointed at in the link above? |
| 18:14.50 | dob1 | I don't understand it |
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| 18:15.06 | greycat | It converts all of the / chars to - chars. |
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| 18:15.25 | ratrace | dob1: https://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/string-manipulation.html |
| 18:15.41 | greycat | I'm not necessarily saying it's *perfect*, especially because I have/had that person on /ignore and didn't see it originally. But it's a START. |
| 18:15.51 | greycat | oh god, abs |
| 18:16.20 | ratrace | does it no explain that substution though? :) |
| 18:16.24 | ratrace | does it not* |
| 18:16.33 | rmerpes | co |
| 18:17.43 | greycat | ratrace: along with quoting failures *everywhere*, and a nice code injection exploit in awk... |
| 18:17.47 | dob1 | I want to try my approach, I will create the script to convert the path to a filename, the idea is / -> __ and spaces to -, it's not difficult, but to invoke it on find I have to use `script {}` ? |
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| 18:18.14 | greycat | And no, abs author, putting ${curly_braces} around your variable name does not make it safer. |
| 18:18.45 | greycat | And what's up with the expr fetish. |
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| 18:19.02 | ratrace | hrm |
| 18:19.24 | greycat | dob1: https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/100 is another page on this topic |
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| 18:19.40 | ratrace | I keep that bookmarked because it seems I can never remember proper substitution syntax... |
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| 18:20.40 | ratrace | greycat: k, bookmark replaced :) |
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| 18:22.06 | dob1 | greycat, but considering that I will be able to create a script convert a path to filename, call it script.sh, my doubt is on find find dir -type f -name something -exec cp {} ...... I am lost here, |
| 18:22.34 | greycat | You do not want to write a whole separate script to convert one filename to another filename. Just use a sequence of inline operations. |
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| 18:23.19 | greycat | In any event, you cannot do it with -exec cp. You will need -exec bash, or -print0 | while IFS= read -r -d '' f; do ... |
| 18:23.19 | dob1 | greycat, I prefer to divide the work |
| 18:23.22 | ratrace | dob1: does this rather verbose approach make the process understandable? find /src/dir/ -type f | while read S ; do D=$(echo "$S" | sed 's/\//__/g' | sed 's/ /-/g') ; echo "$S -> $D" ; done |
| 18:23.33 | ratrace | you can then shorten those seds with bash string subst |
| 18:23.52 | greycat | ratrace: "read S" strips leading and trailing whitespace, and mangles backslashes. |
| 18:24.05 | ratrace | oh, TIL |
| 18:25.22 | dob1 | greycat, why I can't use -exec cp ? |
| 18:26.09 | greycat | because cp cannot perform the string manipulations you want |
| 18:26.14 | greycat | you need a shell for that |
| 18:26.23 | chimp | am trying to use this package update indicator to actually update packages, do anyone do that in xfce? |
| 18:26.26 | jelly | something something prename? |
| 18:26.33 | jelly | has not read any context |
| 18:26.45 | greycat | prename was mentioned on Friday, but it only renames (moves); it has no "just copy" option |
| 18:27.20 | greycat | you could -exec perl instead of -exec bash and do the manips in perl if you like |
| 18:27.37 | jelly | ah. Clearly pcp needs to be invented |
| 18:27.55 | dka | Hi, I have a 4G modem with a Sim card, I have modem-manager-gui and I can send SMS, is it possible to do the same from the Command line ? |
| 18:27.56 | greycat | the best package name since weboob |
| 18:28.34 | ratrace | am I the only one who read that as WEB OOB, not we boob? |
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| 18:28.37 | jelly | no |
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| 18:30.45 | jelly | dka: maybe nmcli has something? |
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| 18:31.29 | jelly | dka: er, mmcli |
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| 18:35.08 | dob1 | greycat, so I can do for example find ./ type f -name somename -exec python script.py {} \; and script.py can execute the copy and the file rename, this will work ? |
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| 18:35.42 | greycat | Christ on a stick. Are you THIS DEAD SET on writing a python script to accept one filename as an argument and output one filename on stdout? FIne. |
| 18:36.00 | dob1 | greycat, why not ? :) |
| 18:36.21 | greycat | find . -type f -name 'whatever' -exec sh -c 'for f; do newname=$(python3 myscript.py "$f"); echo cp "$f" "$newname"; done' x {} + |
| 18:36.55 | greycat | There you go. A wrapper for a python script that does 60% of the work. |
| 18:37.12 | greycat | Because invoking a whole python process once per file can't possibly be too slow. |
| 18:37.48 | rkeene | Fast enough for government work |
| 18:37.50 | dob1 | but anwyay in my idea the python script was used for the file copy too, other than the renaming |
| 18:38.27 | greycat | then do the whole thing in python. don't use the shell at all. |
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| 18:39.28 | jhutchins_wk | dka: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/ModemManager/man/1.0.0/mmcli.8.html |
| 18:39.48 | jhutchins_wk | dka: Lots of options listed, but examples toward the end. |
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| 18:40.15 | zerocool | anyone know how i can install the newest version of kmail while using debian stable repo |
| 18:40.21 | zerocool | for kde |
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| 18:41.40 | jhutchins_wk | ,v kmail |
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| 18:45.55 | dob1 | about the rename "strategy", converting / -> __ and " " to - it's enough ? or am I missing something ? |
| 18:46.11 | greycat | They're YOUR files. You decide. |
| 18:46.23 | dob1 | I mean something that can create invalid filenames |
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| 18:46.35 | greycat | Unix filenames can contain ANY character except / and NUL. |
| 18:46.44 | dob1 | ok then! |
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| 19:13.55 | oxek | I am struggling with setting up umasks for users |
| 19:14.11 | greycat | How does the target user login? Do they run GNOME? |
| 19:14.18 | oxek | I used the debian documentation, and in the file /etc/login.defs I put "UMASK 027" |
| 19:14.42 | oxek | however when I create a new user using `adduser`, their umask is still 022 |
| 19:14.47 | oxek | what is going wrong? |
| 19:14.49 | greycat | How does the target user login? Do they run GNOME? |
| 19:14.59 | greycat | How did you check the umask? |
| 19:15.07 | oxek | xfce, they login manually, and over ssh |
| 19:15.17 | oxek | I checked it by logging in locally as that target user |
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| 19:15.29 | oxek | and put `umask` command in terminal |
| 19:15.35 | greycat | So I'm getting three contradictory answers. |
| 19:15.42 | oxek | and also created a few files in the home directory and checked their permissions |
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| 19:16.08 | oxek | what do you mean greycat? |
| 19:17.14 | greycat | They login somehow (unspecified) and use xfce. But they also login by ssh. And to test them, you "logged in locally", still unspecified, but I assumed tty. Maybe that was a bogus assumption. |
| 19:17.38 | greycat | So maybe it's only two contradictory answers, "local unspecified leading to xfce" and "ssh". |
| 19:17.50 | oxek | they login by switching on the computer, and putting their username+password on a keyboard while sitting in front of the computer |
| 19:18.08 | oxek | the login screen is lightdm |
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| 19:18.15 | greycat | Lightdm. OK, finally an answer. |
| 19:18.15 | oxek | and it puts them into xfce desktop environment |
| 19:18.30 | greycat | Whatever you configure for lightdm will NOT work for ssh, most likely. |
| 19:18.43 | oxek | why does lightdm matter? |
| 19:19.17 | oxek | should it not be the same as logging into the virtual console on Ctrl Alt F1? |
| 19:19.31 | greycat | Readingt login.defs(5), it says UMASK is used by pam_umask. So, in order for that file to do anything at all, the PAM config file in question would have to include pam_umask. |
| 19:19.39 | greycat | Does the lightdm PAM config file contain that? I know the ssh one does not. |
| 19:19.47 | greycat | No, it is absolutely not the same. |
| 19:20.09 | greycat | Each of these login methods has a different PAM configuration, and runs a different program, and those programs read different config files. |
| 19:20.15 | oxek | well that makes it a lot mroe complicated :( |
| 19:20.46 | greycat | The word umask does not appear in ANY of my PAM config files at all (grep -ri umask /etc/pam.d gives no output). |
| 19:20.53 | greycat | So I don't think this login.defs file is actually useful here. |
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| 19:22.47 | greycat | pam_umask(8) has instructions for how to add it to a PAM config, if you really want to try going that route. But if the program launched by login sets its own umask later, that will override whatever PAM does. |
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| 19:23.21 | oxek | thanks, I'll read some more |
| 19:23.29 | oxek | but it looks like it cannot be made bullet-proof |
| 19:23.46 | oxek | so I think I'll just tell them to buy their own computer |
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| 19:25.00 | chimp | is sasl not required if one is actually on debian for this #channel? :) |
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| 19:26.37 | greycat | An ssh login runs a shell, so you can configure things like umask in /etc/profile (or the *csh equivalent if they use csh/tcsh), or in the user's dot files. |
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| 19:27.02 | greycat | A lightdm login doesn't run a shell. I'm not sure if putting umask in the user's ~/.xsessionrc would work or not. |
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| 19:27.44 | oxek | so many places where umask can be configured... |
| 19:27.51 | oxek | I would have thought this would be a solved problem |
| 19:28.01 | oxek | isn't there a systemd setting for this? |
| 19:28.16 | greycat | With GNOME, it's even worse, because even if you do manage to set umask for the user's outer GNOME session layers, the user's *gnome-terminals* are launched by a dbus daemon that's outside of the GNOME session, and they do not inherit anything from the session. |
| 19:28.52 | oxek | greycat: ok, you convinced me, I am not gonna mess with this because I do not have the required depth of knowledge. |
| 19:28.58 | oxek | the other person is screwed |
| 19:29.20 | oxek | they will just have to buy a pc |
| 19:30.24 | oxek | it's funny that windows has solved this problem 20 years ago, where every user can only access their own home directory and nobody elses home directory |
| 19:30.33 | oxek | and that is the default config... |
| 19:30.51 | oxek | and there is only 1 place to configure it |
| 19:31.19 | greycat | if *that's* all you want, just change the permissions on the user's home directory |
| 19:32.04 | greycat | you only need to mess with umask when you want users to collaborate on a project in a public directory where things are group-writable, and you want any new files they make to be group-writable as well |
| 19:32.17 | oxek | I tried that but it doesn't seem to work - if the other user knows the exact location of the file in the home directory, they can still read it even with restrictive permissions on the home directory |
| 19:32.46 | greycat | You left "1" as the last octal digit. Try "0". chmod 750 /home/paranoid |
| 19:33.40 | oxek | I did `chmod o-rwx /home/paranoid` but the directories within the home folder do not inherit this and are still listable for some reason |
| 19:34.00 | oxek | and I am afaraid of doing chmod recursively because it can break things |
| 19:34.03 | greycat | That's not correct, and would be a serious bug if true. |
| 19:34.36 | oxek | it is possible I have seriously messed up this system |
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| 19:34.43 | oxek | let me check |
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| 19:35.30 | greycat | http://paste.wooledge.org/465 |
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| 19:36.38 | oxek | I do `stat /home/fred` and get "Access: (0750/drwxr-x---) Uid: ( 1000/ fred) Gid: ( 1000/ fred)" |
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| 19:37.19 | wasamasa | why don't you try to reproduce the above paste? |
| 19:37.20 | oxek | but when the other user logs in, they can do `cat /home/fred/backup/list.txt` and get output of that file |
| 19:37.31 | greycat | is the "other user" fred? |
| 19:37.56 | greycat | Or are they in group fred? |
| 19:37.58 | oxek | the other user is "tempguest" |
| 19:38.07 | oxek | in group "tempguest" |
| 19:38.28 | oxek | I have probably messed something horribly up |
| 19:40.17 | oxek | I'll try to reproduce your paste |
| 19:40.20 | mutante | "all my stuff in my home directory is private and not readable to anyone else" is not the default |
| 19:40.35 | greycat | but chmod 750 on the home dir *should* work to achieve that state |
| 19:40.59 | greycat | unless there's an ACL overriding it, etc. |
| 19:41.04 | mutante | yea, but it was not used recursively so that subdirs are not affected is not a big surprise ? |
| 19:41.13 | greycat | that shouldn't matter |
| 19:41.24 | mutante | true |
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| 19:43.50 | oxek | greycat: in your paste, I do the exact same thing, but I do not get permission denied, I can view the directory |
| 19:44.14 | greycat | That is not normal. |
| 19:44.14 | oxek | and I am not logged in as root |
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| 19:44.30 | wasamasa | I demand to see a screenshot of that |
| 19:44.38 | dvs | O_O |
| 19:45.07 | wasamasa | including the output of `id` |
| 19:45.11 | oxek | ok, one moment |
| 19:45.39 | greycat | Hopefully it'll just turn out to be "I made tempguest uid 1000 same as fred" and we can all breathe a sigh of relief. |
| 19:45.41 | mutante | my guess is the users do share a group and the group has read access |
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| 19:45.59 | greycat | yeah, that's a good guess too |
| 19:46.03 | oxek | tempguest is 1001 |
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| 19:46.34 | mutante | oxek: can you run "id" as both users and pastebin the output |
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| 19:48.28 | eremos | need some help please, I've put 'options dummy numdummies=1' in /etc/modprobe.d/dummy.conf but when it loads I get no dummy interfaces. Debian 10.2 (4.19.0-6-amd64) |
| 19:49.16 | oxek | mutante: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e4243cc8/ |
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| 19:50.15 | wasamasa | namei should help figuring this out |
| 19:50.22 | dvs | oxek, homepc is a member of the tempguest group |
| 19:50.53 | oxek | dvs: I don't know what that means. homepc is the hostname of the pc |
| 19:51.16 | dvs | oxek, oh, I missread. nvm |
| 19:52.04 | wasamasa | like, namei -m /tmp/home/joe/secret |
| 19:52.07 | mutante | oxek: hmm. ok. nothing obvious yet. now how about the output of "ls -l" inside /home/ |
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| 19:56.31 | oxek | mutante: when logged in as which user? |
| 19:56.52 | mutante | oxek: doesn't really matter for this |
| 19:56.55 | greycat | If you get different results from different accounts, that would be noteworthy. |
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| 20:01.32 | oxek | mutante: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/b3257091/ |
| 20:02.32 | greycat | tempguest *shouldn't* be able to read any files in /home/fred given all the info supplied so far |
| 20:02.38 | oxek | I'll just reinstall and try again. I probably messed something up. |
| 20:03.47 | seere | oxek: what filesystem type is /home/fred on? |
| 20:04.02 | oxek | tempguest cannot read /home/fred/.bash_history but can read /home/fred/.bashrc |
| 20:04.14 | oxek | ext4 |
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| 20:05.20 | oxek | however, tempguest cannot do `ls /home/fred/` and get output |
| 20:06.07 | mutante | oxek: is there a LDAP backend or something by any chance? |
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| 20:06.43 | oxek | I don't think so. This is a fresh debian installation, with nothing special done to it yet. |
| 20:06.49 | dvs | bets that there are world read permissions on .bashrc |
| 20:06.51 | oxek | unless LDAP is something default |
| 20:07.07 | mutante | oxek: no, it's not |
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| 20:07.45 | mutante | dvs: even then it would still be weird how that is possible with the parent dir not allowing access? |
| 20:07.51 | oxek | dvs: yes, .bashrc is -rw-r--r-- |
| 20:08.10 | oxek | but I am told that if the directory is not world readable, then nothing in it will be either |
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| 20:09.01 | seere | oxek: readable dir is only for listing it, but missing the x part should prevent entering it at all. |
| 20:09.31 | mutante | oxek: i agree it's weird. but before you reinstall the entire system.. just use recursive chmod. your reason was "it could break stuff" but it can't break more if it's already broken |
| 20:09.31 | dvs | mutante, I think that read permissions on a directory means that a user cannot list the entries to that directory. |
| 20:10.12 | mutante | dvs: i think listing contents on a dir is "x" not "r" |
| 20:10.29 | greycat | mutante: no, dvs was correct |
| 20:10.55 | seere | mutante: no. The other way round. |
| 20:10.56 | greycat | you need "r" to see the filenames, and "x" to open the files |
| 20:11.04 | Habbie | you'll also need x to stat the files |
| 20:11.09 | oxek | ok, I made another user, testuser, and testuser cannot read anything in /home/tempguest, and tempguest cannot read anything in /home/testuser, and both /home/testuser and /home/tempguest are 0750 |
| 20:11.10 | Habbie | which may explain any confusion you had around using 'ls' |
| 20:11.18 | oxek | so there is something special about /home/fred |
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| 20:11.47 | greycat | oxek: that's... conceivable, but it's weird that ls -l didn't show anything special |
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| 20:12.35 | seere | oxek: how do you switch users? |
| 20:13.03 | oxek | seere: logout from xfce, log back in on the lightdm screen |
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| 20:15.20 | seere | oxek: by any chance - /home/fred is a plain directory, nothing special mounted there? |
| 20:16.00 | oxek | /home/fred is a normal directory as far as I can tell, however /home is its own partition |
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| 20:17.30 | seere | oxek: can your "testuser" access /home/fred as well? |
| 20:18.52 | oxek | I've now done `sudo chmod -R o-rwx /home/fred` and nobody can read its contents now except for fred |
| 20:19.15 | oxek | but I think this system is messed up |
| 20:19.23 | oxek | I played with things I did not fully understand |
| 20:19.30 | oxek | so I'll just start anew |
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| 20:20.01 | oxek | thank you all for trying to solve this mystery |
| 20:20.28 | oxek | but it's likely I messed up some config file somewhere that did this |
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| 20:23.29 | oxek | so when I do the new install, it should be sufficient to just do `sudo chmod o-rwx /home/fred` to make it unreadable by other users? |
| 20:23.52 | greycat | should be |
| 20:24.15 | dvs | oxek, it will make the directory entries for /home/fred unreadable. |
| 20:24.17 | oxek | also, is there a difference between `chmod o-rwx /home/fred` and `chmod o-rwx /home/fred/` (notice the trailing slash)? |
| 20:24.31 | DammitJim | I'm trying to understand how my machine works with DNS |
| 20:24.37 | dvs | oxek, they won't be able to go into the directory either. |
| 20:24.44 | DammitJim | if I do an nslookup, I can see that 127.0.0.1 is responding for my dns requests |
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| 20:24.55 | oxek | dvs: and they won't be able to read any files in that directory, even if they know the filename? |
| 20:25.01 | greycat | DammitJim: ls -l /etc/resolv.conf; cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:25.11 | greycat | oxek: shouldn't. |
| 20:25.23 | DammitJim | greycat, yes, nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:25.28 | dvs | oxek, It will depend on what permissions are on the actual file itself. |
| 20:25.33 | greycat | dvs: no. |
| 20:25.35 | DammitJim | so, what is the application that takes care of DNS on my debian machine? |
| 20:25.39 | oxek | dvs: wait what? |
| 20:26.10 | DammitJim | the FQDN I can see has a CNAME to another domain |
| 20:26.11 | greycat | DammitJim: lsof -i :53 |
| 20:26.13 | dvs | greycat, then home come his other user could read .bashrc when it has world readable permissions? |
| 20:26.24 | greycat | dvs: nobody knows |
| 20:26.47 | DammitJim | connmand |
| 20:26.48 | DammitJim | got it! |
| 20:27.15 | jelly | ,file bin/connmand |
| 20:27.20 | judd | Search for bin/connmand in buster/amd64: connman: usr/sbin/connmand |
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| 20:27.29 | panda_friend | How do I stop my stereo balance from auto-rebalancing? (I keep it unbalanced to compensate for a hardware issue) It seems to periodically rebalance at perfect center. |
| 20:27.36 | dvs | greycat, so if you put a world readable file into your /tmp/joe/public sample that you had before, can another user read it? |
| 20:28.01 | DammitJim | jelly, what is that supposed to do? |
| 20:28.20 | jelly | DammitJim: I just wanted to know which package it belonged to. |
| 20:28.41 | DammitJim | it's long, can I paste it? |
| 20:28.52 | Iarfen | which is a good program to make ER diagrams? |
| 20:28.52 | jelly | paste what? |
| 20:29.04 | greycat | http://paste.wooledge.org/468 |
| 20:29.07 | DammitJim | the output |
| 20:29.15 | jelly | the output of what, sorry? |
| 20:29.24 | DammitJim | ,file bin/connman |
| 20:29.28 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 20:30.21 | dvs | greycat, what permissions are on /tmp/home/joe/secret/foo |
| 20:30.35 | greycat | Run your own experiments. |
| 20:30.42 | dvs | ok |
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| 21:16.08 | Waxhead | Hi, I am looking at the tracker or https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/linux-signed-amd64 and are trying to find out when it is expected to migrate to testing. From what I understand here it seems like it is ready to migrate, but it hasn't yet. Can anyone explain to me how to see what is preventing it from migrating? |
| 21:16.24 | rainfyre | wat? |
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| 21:16.31 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 21:16.31 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:16.48 | greycat | !why isn't linux-signed-amd64 in testing |
| 21:16.48 | dpkg | linux-signed-amd64 is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/linux-signed-amd64 |
| 21:16.55 | greycat | well, you already knew that :( |
| 21:17.08 | Waxhead | meh... |
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| 21:18.24 | CuteAlien | Hi! Anyone know why I suddenly can no longer have mypaint and gimp both installed? After some upgrade (or dist-upgrade) I noticed next day gimp was gone, so I re-installed it. Was fine. Noticed now mypaint is also gone, want to install I get: Depends: mypaint-data (>= 1.2.0-4.1). I try install mypaint-data I get: will be REMOVED: gimp libmypaint-1.3-0 libmypaint-common. |
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| 21:19.34 | CuteAlien | This is on debian 10 stable. |
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| 21:22.38 | mutante | CuteAlien: seems to be a bug with dependencies in one of the packags. the difference is that gimp now actually uses mypaint library to be able to use brushes from it. https://community.mypaint.org/t/problems-between-the-gimp-2-10-plugin-and-my-paint/1798 |
| 21:23.12 | CuteAlien | So nothing I can fix? :-( |
| 21:23.16 | mutante | CuteAlien: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=897909 |
| 21:23.17 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/897909 in src:mypaint (open, patch): «mypaint: Unable to install MyPaint when Gimp 2.10 is installed»; severity: important; opened: 2018-05-04; last modified: 2019-10-29. |
| 21:23.35 | mutante | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=906144 |
| 21:23.36 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/906144 in libmypaint-common (open, patch, buster-ignore): «libmypaint-common: drop Conflicts: mypaint-data»; severity: serious; opened: 2018-08-14; last modified: 2019-06-06. |
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| 21:23.59 | mutante | CuteAlien: at least there are recent updates on the bug(s) |
| 21:23.59 | greycat | good old debian, bugs like that staying open for years |
| 21:24.11 | mutante | 2019-10-29 not that bad |
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| 21:24.31 | CuteAlien | Yeah, I hope not. I use both very much |
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| 21:24.50 | mutante | "I don't think this can be fixed for buster, so I'm tagging this -ignore." :/ |
| 21:25.06 | mutante | There's a patch (to mypaint rather than libmypaint) to resolve the |
| 21:25.06 | mutante | conflict without a new version of mypaint, by renaming mypaint's locale |
| 21:25.06 | mutante | to 'mypaint12', in the upstream tracker at |
| 21:25.10 | mutante | <https://github.com/mypaint/mypaint/issues/918#issuecomment-433645267>. |
| 21:25.58 | mutante | CuteAlien: using that patch is the best you have for now. but people say the patch works on buster |
| 21:26.06 | CuteAlien | huh - so old? But it worked until recently. |
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| 21:26.33 | dob1 | there is an utility that can help to convert datetime strings to various timezones ? |
| 21:26.37 | mutante | recently = whenever you installed upgrades |
| 21:27.10 | CuteAlien | mutante, yeah, but I do that every few weeks. So bug has to be recent. It still worked with new Debian 10. |
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| 21:27.39 | CuteAlien | And that report is from 2018 |
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| 21:29.23 | mutante | CuteAlien: if that is the case maybe you can find the versions you had installed before.. get the .deb files from /var/cache/apt or so and then dpkg -i them "manually" to downgrade to what you had before |
| 21:29.51 | mutante | that would be first apt-get remove --purge and then dpkg -i older versions |
| 21:30.28 | CuteAlien | phew, then I'll end up having to lock versions. I think I'll check if I can install from source instead. |
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| 21:32.10 | mutante | CuteAlien: you can possibly use APT pinning config file to pin them to old versions |
| 21:32.38 | CuteAlien | yeah, that's what I meant with lock version. But don't like that too much - that's the stuff always causing troubles in the long run |
| 21:33.01 | CuteAlien | If I can install from source instead I get around conflicts with the package-manager. |
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| 21:33.42 | mutante | well.. packages installed from source cause the same trouble |
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| 21:33.57 | mutante | eh..not packages |
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| 21:34.15 | CuteAlien | No, the package managers won't know about it. Just installing it some folder and done ;-) |
| 21:34.33 | CuteAlien | Will only have troubles maybe if I can't build it due to lib-conflicts. |
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| 21:35.20 | CuteAlien | I just notice - mypaint also has flatpak... never used that on Debian. |
| 21:38.52 | mutante | CuteAlien: until you need to install the same library to make it compile from source |
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| 22:00.27 | CuteAlien | OK, flatpak worked out. Need new settings, but I can live with that. Phew. |
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| 22:10.29 | dob1 | well at the end I did it BUT I have this strange behaviour. cat my_copied_files |sort |uniq |wc -l let's say 1000, find dir -type f -name filename -exec cat {} \; |sort |uniq |wc -l 1001, they differ and the one with one line more has a duplicated line.... why.... |
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| 22:11.14 | greycat | what in the hell is "cat my_copied_files" supposed to be, and why are you lying about the numbers? |
| 22:11.39 | EmleyMoor | Your cat has been trying to copy your files? |
| 22:12.29 | dob1 | I finally copied all the files with the same name in one dir, using the rename "strategy" that I said before. now I was doing this test, concatenating them and counting unique lines |
| 22:12.59 | dob1 | and I have a number, but with the find command that I wrote before I don't have the same result.... |
| 22:13.11 | greycat | but instead of pasting the ACTUAL command you ran and the ACTUAL resulting number, you decided you would write a DIFFERENT command here, and make up a DIFFERENT number |
| 22:13.29 | greycat | This is pathological. *plonk* |
| 22:13.41 | dob1 | it is the actual command |
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| 22:14.54 | mutante | i tried your command but it fails. find: âdirâ: No such file or directory |
| 22:15.32 | dob1 | I understand, it's my fault. I am not explaing it in the right way and it's difficult without the real data... |
| 22:15.45 | dvs | mutante, dir is the name of the directory |
| 22:16.11 | greycat | Yes, I have many directories named 'dir'. It is such a great name. |
| 22:16.19 | dvs | heh |
| 22:16.46 | slimefoot | ~/dir.d |
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| 22:16.57 | greycat | Heretic! |
| 22:16.59 | mutante | dvs: "cat my_copied_files" != "cat the contents of all the files" |
| 22:17.28 | dob1 | don't waste your time, nevermind |
| 22:17.43 | mutante | dob1: what is inside "my_copied_files" to begin with? |
| 22:18.01 | mutante | really the content of all the files? |
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| 22:18.45 | dob1 | mutante, it's related to the question I asked before, they are the copy of the files that I found with find |
| 22:19.10 | dob1 | but concatenating them and passing them to sort, uniq they differ... |
| 22:19.38 | greycat | If I were copying files around, and wanted to ensure that I had copied all of them, I would start by counting the *number of files*. |
| 22:19.48 | dob1 | I did it |
| 22:20.05 | greycat | Not the number of unique lines in the concatenation of all their contents. I mean, come on. |
| 22:20.05 | dob1 | and I put the output in two different files and I tested them with kdiff3 |
| 22:20.09 | slimefoot | dob1: so `my_copied_files` is actually a file that is the concatenation of all the files you traverse with `find` there? |
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| 22:20.23 | dob1 | and they differ for one line that is duplicated and for sure this is related to the line separator, but I don't understand why |
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| 22:20.44 | slimefoot | dob1: diff the two outputs, and see where/how (and why) they differ |
| 22:20.44 | rander2 | hello all |
| 22:20.44 | dob1 | slimefoot, yes but after I copied them in another directory |
| 22:21.10 | mutante | If i wanted to ensure i had copied all files i would rsync and then repeat the command. |
| 22:21.12 | dob1 | slimefoot, as I said the file with +1 line has a duplicated line... (for sure is the line separator) |
| 22:21.31 | rander2 | anyone know how install falkon browser on deb 9.11 ? I don't found it on repository |
| 22:21.39 | mutante | dob1: and what is the duplicated line? |
| 22:21.43 | metbsd | so clonezilla can clone entire linux drive to another |
| 22:21.59 | slimefoot | dob1: in unix, there are no "line separators", but just "end of lines" - that might sound pedantic, but in this case, very relevant |
| 22:22.05 | nvz | ,v falkon |
| 22:22.06 | judd | Package: falkon on amd64 -- buster: 3.0.0-3; bullseye: 3.1.0+dfsg1-6; sid: 3.1.0+dfsg1-6 |
| 22:22.17 | dvs | metbsd, yes |
| 22:22.40 | nvz | ,depends falkon |
| 22:22.41 | judd | Package falkon in buster/amd64 -- depends: libqt5sql5-sqlite, libc6 (>= 2.14), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0), libkf5wallet-bin, libkf5wallet5 (>= 4.96.0), libqt5core5a (>= 5.9.0~beta), libqt5dbus5 (>= 5.0.2), libqt5gui5 (>= 5.7.0), libqt5network5 (>= 5.0.2), libqt5positioning5 (>= 5.6.0), libqt5printsupport5 (>= 5.0.2), libqt5qml5 (>= 5.0.2), libqt5quick5 (>= 5.0.2), libqt5quickwidgets5 (>= 5.4.0), libqt5sql5 (>= |
| 22:22.42 | judd | 5.0.2), libqt5webchannel5 (>= 5.6.1), libqt5webenginecore5 (>= 5.9.0), libqt5webenginewidgets5 (>= 5.9.0), libqt5widgets5 (>= 5.7.0), libqt5x11extras5 (>= 5.6.0), libssl1.1 (>= 1.1.0), libstdc++6 (>= 5), libxcb1. |
| 22:22.49 | metbsd | dvs, will it clone boot loader too? |
| 22:22.53 | dvs | yes |
| 22:23.03 | rander2 | I have deb 9.11 not 10 |
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| 22:23.14 | nvz | rander2: yes well perhaps you should upgrade |
| 22:23.26 | nvz | that package requires qt5 for one thing |
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| 22:23.40 | mutante | dob1: as others said. write the output of both commands to a file and then use diff to see the line that is different |
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| 22:24.19 | mutante | dob1: but also i would recommend rsync to copy stuff |
| 22:24.21 | rander2 | nvz, so falkon there is in deb. 10 repository and not in deb.9.11 ? |
| 22:24.43 | dob1 | mutante, I was not able to use rsync in this case |
| 22:25.06 | dvs | ,v rander2 |
| 22:25.07 | judd | No package named 'rander2' was found in amd64. |
| 22:25.13 | nvz | rander2: thats correct |
| 22:25.15 | dvs | ,v falkon |
| 22:25.16 | judd | Package: falkon on amd64 -- buster: 3.0.0-3; bullseye: 3.1.0+dfsg1-6; sid: 3.1.0+dfsg1-6 |
| 22:25.22 | mutante | dob1: exfiltrating data from hacked machine ?:o :) |
| 22:25.27 | nvz | ,checkbackport |
| 22:25.28 | judd | (checkbackport <packagename> [--fromrelease <sid>] [--torelease <stable>] [--arch <amd64>] [--verbose]) -- Check that the build-dependencies listed by a package in the release specified as "fromrelease" are satisfiable for in "torelease" for the given host architecture. By default, a backport from unstable to the current stable release and amd64 are used. |
| 22:25.57 | nvz | ,checkbackport falkon -fromrelease buster --torelease stretch |
| 22:25.58 | judd | (checkbackport <packagename> [--fromrelease <sid>] [--torelease <stable>] [--arch <amd64>] [--verbose]) -- Check that the build-dependencies listed by a package in the release specified as "fromrelease" are satisfiable for in "torelease" for the given host architecture. By default, a backport from unstable to the current stable release and amd64 are used. |
| 22:26.01 | rander2 | ok, I have a 32bit deb9.11, so it isn't |
| 22:26.08 | nvz | ,checkbackport falkon --fromrelease buster --torelease stretch |
| 22:26.09 | judd | Backporting package falkon in busterâstretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch. |
| 22:26.10 | dob1 | mutante, no, nothing like this |
| 22:26.40 | nvz | rander2: you could attempt to backport it.. i thought stretch only had qt4 but seems it does have qt5 |
| 22:26.55 | mutante | dob1: ok. well you already got the full commands. all you need to do is add "> file1" and "> file2" to them and then "diff file1 file2" |
| 22:27.07 | nvz | rander2: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 22:27.36 | rander2 | what is ssb ? |
| 22:27.48 | mutante | dpkg: tell rander2 about ssb |
| 22:27.48 | nvz | rander2: a proceedure for a simple sid backport |
| 22:28.35 | nvz | rander2: apt will fetch the SOURCE from a newer branch and attempt to build the package against the current version of libraries and dependencies in your branch |
| 22:28.44 | openface | how can i remove debian keyring that asks me for some apps sometimes? |
| 22:28.48 | openface | to disable it |
| 22:29.38 | rander2 | http://paste.debian.net/1117944/ |
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| 22:30.42 | nvz | rander2: change the deb-src line on line 10 to read "sid" instead of "stretch" |
| 22:31.06 | dob1 | mutante, I isolated the 2 lines that are "different" why they are different ? https://dpaste.de/QmOP |
| 22:31.12 | nvz | rander2: apt update && apt build-dep falkon && apt -b source falkon |
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| 22:31.52 | dob1 | mutante, this is diff -u with the 2 files, one with each line that I find duplicate in the main file. I don't know if I am clear |
| 22:32.32 | rander2 | ok, but buster is deb10, I have 9.11 32bit here, sorry |
| 22:33.29 | dob1 | kdiff3 says that they are equal as text but not binary equals.... |
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| 22:33.57 | rander2 | nvz, this command compile falkon from source |
| 22:34.20 | slimefoot | dob1: what's the "duplicate" line, though? if they were really duplicate, `uniq` would've dropped one of them |
| 22:34.41 | slimefoot | so I'm assuming they only *look* duplicate, but are really different |
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| 22:35.01 | slimefoot | (e.g. non-printable character, or carriage return, or...) |
| 22:36.41 | dob1 | slimefoot, I am thinking the same, but then when I do the same with the copied files it behaves in different way, maybe because the files are read in different order ? ok nevermind I don't want to waste your time |
| 22:37.36 | rander2 | E: Unable to find a source package for falkon |
| 22:37.56 | mutante | dob1: let's try "-b" and "-w" with the diff command and see if that makes it go away. those are options to ignore |
| 22:38.00 | mutante | whitespace and stuff |
| 22:38.43 | mutante | rander2: your OS is outdated |
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| 22:39.08 | rander2 | mutante, no, debian 9.11 is not outdated, sorry |
| 22:39.14 | dob1 | mutante, they are the same using -b and -w |
| 22:39.15 | slimefoot | dob1: concatenation in a different order might indeed be a plausible explanation, yeah |
| 22:39.33 | slimefoot | (mostly if you've got any files where the last line does not end with an EOL) |
| 22:40.39 | slimefoot | ... although, then you'd get otherwise differing lines as well |
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| 22:42.09 | mutante | dob1: it must be what slimefoot said.. file where the last line does not end with EOL |
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| 22:42.56 | slimefoot | that would explain differing line count after a `uniq` - but if the diff is only a single empty line, as they say,... I'm not so sure anymore |
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| 22:44.12 | slimefoot | coughs |
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| 22:44.50 | dob1 | slimefoot, mutante I used: | sed 's/\r//g' |sort |uniq and now the number of lines is the same |
| 22:45.29 | nvz | sort -u fwiw |
| 22:45.41 | nvz | and awk could replace all three commands |
| 22:46.06 | nvz | or even find uniq/dup lines without sorting them |
| 22:47.00 | dob1 | strict ordering; what does it mean with this? |
| 22:47.16 | dob1 | (-u of sort) |
| 22:47.48 | slimefoot | it's just weird that that \r would somehow be missing (or transformed to a regular \n) in the file |
| 22:47.59 | nvz | echo -e "foo\nfoo\nbar\nbar"|sort -u |
| 22:48.04 | nvz | echo -e "foo\nfoo\nbar\nbar"|sort|uniq |
| 22:48.13 | slimefoot | printf |
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| 22:49.45 | warsoul | hi guys |
| 22:49.50 | gouhoband | hi guys |
| 22:49.54 | gouhoband | haha jinx |
| 22:49.56 | annadane | hi guys |
| 22:49.59 | warsoul | when i turn on my pc sometimes has no wifi connection |
| 22:50.03 | slimefoot | hy guis |
| 22:50.06 | warsoul | then i restart it and is working |
| 22:50.20 | dob1 | anyway it was the \r and the different concat order the problem. I am sure now |
| 22:50.37 | dob1 | thanks for the help |
| 22:50.56 | nvz | its also more economical to do the uniq/sort first :P |
| 22:51.17 | slimefoot | warsoul: how do you manage your network? |
| 22:51.20 | nvz | well I guess thats not necessarily true |
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| 22:51.48 | nvz | wanders off |
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| 22:52.29 | warsoul | slimefoot what you mean with manage? |
| 22:55.51 | slimefoot | warsoul: I'm trying to find out whether I shall tell you to observe what wpa_supplicant is doing, or whether to somehow look up something with network manager (in which case I cannot really help) |
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| 22:58.07 | warsoul | slimefoot this problem started happening couple of days ago |
| 22:58.09 | warsoul | was working fine |
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| 22:58.36 | slimefoot | it was working fine, until it wasn't |
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| 22:59.27 | slimefoot | warsoul: so how do you manage your network? are you using NetworkManager? ifupdown? something else? |
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| 23:03.07 | warsoul | when i installed debian came with it |
| 23:03.12 | warsoul | i didnt install nothing |
| 23:03.16 | warsoul | i did netinstall i think |
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| 23:09.04 | slimefoot | systemctl list-unit-files --state=enabled |
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| 23:17.31 | warsoul | slimefoot type this in terminal? |
| 23:17.35 | warsoul | systemctl list-unit-files --state=enabled |
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| 23:17.55 | slimefoot | yes |
| 23:18.11 | warsoul | done |
| 23:18.11 | slimefoot | !give warsoul paste |
| 23:18.13 | dpkg | gives warsoul paste |
| 23:18.22 | slimefoot | !paste | warsoul |
| 23:18.23 | dpkg | | warsoul: put your output on http://paste.debian.net/ so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 23:18.27 | slimefoot | nnnhnhngg |
| 23:18.29 | slimefoot | !paste |
| 23:18.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 23:18.59 | warsoul | http://paste.debian.net/1117954/ |
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| 23:19.56 | slimefoot | warsoul: both NetworkManager and wpa_supplicant are active |
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| 23:20.15 | warsoul | dont get it |
| 23:20.20 | slimefoot | I believe that could explain why seeminly randomly sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't |
| 23:20.32 | warsoul | what you think? |
| 23:21.01 | slimefoot | warsoul: wpa_supplicant is the tool that manages the wireless link (WiFi) - NetworkManager is a high-level tool that manages the entire network stack (including the WiFi link, by invoking wpa_supplicant itself) |
| 23:21.18 | slimefoot | now if wpa_supplicant is somehow launched by the system *and* by NetworkManager, there is a conflict |
| 23:21.31 | slimefoot | because now there are two things trying to manage the WiFi link at the same time |
| 23:21.59 | slimefoot | HOWEVER, I don't know NetworkManager well enough to be 100% sure that's the reason (maybe enabling wpa_supplicant.service is the correct thing to do) |
| 23:22.08 | slimefoot | someone with more NetworkManager knowledge might need to chime in on this |
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| 23:23.01 | slimefoot | warsoul: but purely for curiosity's sake, I would disable wpa_supplicant.service, and then see if that solves your problem |
| 23:23.59 | slimefoot | i.e. `systemctl disable wpa_supplicant.service` |
| 23:24.07 | slimefoot | (as root) |
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| 23:28.19 | warsoul | ok |
| 23:28.23 | warsoul | thanks slimefoot |
| 23:29.01 | slimefoot | but again, no guarantee that it solves anything - for instance, I also see dbus-fi.w1.wpa_supplicant1.service, and I have no idea what that does there (but again, I don't really know NetworkManager) |
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| 23:29.14 | warsoul | to enable it back |
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| 23:29.27 | warsoul | systemctl enable wpa_supplicant.service? |
| 23:29.39 | slimefoot | warsoul: yes |
| 23:30.05 | warsoul | ok |
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| 23:32.09 | rander2 | I have a old netbook , asus 1225C , with a integrated gpu card inside cpu N2600 , unfortunatly the gpu is unsupport by any linux version ( debian too ) |
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| 23:32.56 | slimefoot | warsoul: there is a chance that it might also have been enabled alongside with NetworkManager, in which case wpa_supplicant.service actually has a reason to be there |
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| 23:34.22 | rander2 | When I bought it about 4 years ago, it was brander "linux", and came with pre-installed ubuntu 12.04 LTS . It had the gma3600 support, but the drivers was in a bloob partition ( the netbook had a fat32 partition ) |
| 23:35.59 | rander2 | Now , it use gma500 video card driver, without acceleration, and the system is very slow, also with iceWV as window manager |
| 23:37.06 | rander2 | Ok, excuse me, I wrote too much |
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| 23:52.39 | jaggz | anyone know why my mic doesn't show up as an input device anymore? it's weird, because monitor of the mic does show up |
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| 23:53.03 | jaggz | (the mic is also a soundcard, so that might be what the monitor is) |
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| 23:54.00 | rue_mohr | is there an apt-command to just forget the broken status of whatever is broken and go continue with whats working? |
| 23:54.07 | rue_mohr | cause this happens a lot |
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| 23:54.46 | rue_mohr | its insisting on trying to install systemd-sysv, but cant, so its stuck |
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