| 00:02.10 | jaggz | anyone know why I'm getting /dev/sdb2 mounted in places when it's not listed in my fstab? |
| 00:03.16 | ksk | jaggz: maybe some usespace foo is doing that? like some desktop-thingy? |
| 00:03.37 | jaggz | I mount md1 at /mnt/bigfs then I have some entries like /var/log /mnt/bigfs/var/log |
| 00:03.42 | ksk | I would assume most "full" desktops do that. |
| 00:04.02 | jaggz | I'm in recovery mode and it's doing it too |
| 00:04.29 | ksk | no idea then, sorry. Is there "systemd-hardisk"? |
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| 00:04.31 | ksk | hides |
| 00:05.18 | jaggz | I also have a line /home /mnt/bigfs/home none defaults,bind,noatime,umask=022 0 2 |
| 00:06.03 | ksk | jaggz: you have since you joined stated 3 individual problems, which have little to do with each other |
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| 00:06.18 | ksk | and all indicate to you haven forgotten how you configured your system :P |
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| 00:06.48 | jaggz | sdb is my ssd and for some reason it's showing up .. hmm.. maybe my mount priorities are off. I thought setting 0 2 at the end would cause that to be mounted last |
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| 00:07.58 | jaggz | I *think* this makes sense if those mounts are happening before /mnt/bigfs is mounted |
| 00:08.11 | ksk | eh, no, thats not what the numbers do, if I remember correctly.. |
| 00:08.37 | ksk | its rather about like when the drive should be fs-checked at $interval and such stuff, if you asked me |
| 00:08.41 | jaggz | yeah last is the order of fs checks, not mount priority |
| 00:08.49 | jaggz | hmm |
| 00:08.55 | ksk | but "man 5 fstab" to the rescue ;) |
| 00:09.16 | ksk | I was under the impression that the order in that file dictates the order of mounting |
| 00:09.36 | ksk | and as I have used for example bind mounts without problems for some time, I assume that impression was correct (Or I have been really lucky so far..) |
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| 00:10.23 | jaggz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:11.13 | ksk | !problem |
| 00:11.13 | dpkg | somebody said problem was something that can be solved, fixed or worked around if properly described. A good thorough description of the problem, with detailed steps of how to reproduce the problem, the produced output, and the expected output, is the best start to discuss a problem. |
| 00:11.55 | jaggz | sorry hard to type on mobile with desktop dysfunctional :) |
| 00:12.48 | jaggz | looks like my /var/tmp /mnt/bigfs/var/tmp is also using sdb2 .. grr |
| 00:13.16 | jaggz | that might have been years of that using my ssd .. sigh. |
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| 00:14.04 | jaggz | ksk, "systemd, trying to be smart, parallelizes mounting entries of /etc/fstab. Unfortunately, this randomly messes up bind mounts:" |
| 00:14.13 | jaggz | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/216287/how-do-i-set-up-bind-mounts-on-startup-correctly-in-the-systemd-world |
| 00:14.14 | ksk | dafuq. okay |
| 00:15.00 | ksk | ehm, one comment states the inital poster had an error in his line |
| 00:15.17 | ksk | and Im also hearing this for the first time. While this might totally possible, it would surprise me.. |
| 00:15.37 | ksk | or not. reading again :) |
| 00:16.11 | ksk | but eh, funny thing: I have had a problem in the past with my desktop, that could be related to systemd mixing up the order of mounts.. |
| 00:16.18 | ksk | feel free to hit me up how this turns out for you ;) |
| 00:17.02 | jaggz | their fstab line looks wrong so far |
| 00:17.22 | jaggz | they put "bind" as the fstype field |
| 00:19.07 | ksk | jaggz: maybe try uncommenting any bind mounts and try booting - or do you already know that the problem is coming from bind-mounts? |
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| 00:26.00 | jaggz | ksk, will try. I do believe it's the mounts being in arbitrary order |
| 00:27.41 | jaggz | requires didn't fix it (yet). I now have /mnt/bigfs(/var/log) correctly pointing to /dev/mda1 |
| 00:28.01 | jaggz | but other otherwise identical entries decided to use /dev/sdb2 |
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| 00:29.13 | jaggz | so that x-systemd.requires=/mnt/bigfs is not fixing them |
| 00:29.18 | jaggz | not fixing the order |
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| 00:30.16 | jaggz | like, either my option is specified wrong, or it sees /mnt/bigfs fine (a dir that exists even though nothing's mounted there at that moment) |
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| 00:31.22 | wwallace | i am using a live distro debian derived and i just download it a small iso for booster |
| 00:31.37 | wwallace | how do i installa that iso while in this live on my hd? |
| 00:31.47 | jaggz | trying to understand systemd.mount(5)'s mixing of mount vs systemd units |
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| 00:32.30 | ksk | !tell wwallace about debootstrap |
| 00:33.23 | ksk | wwallace: see the article included in the bots message. but it would be a lot easier to just put that debian iso onto an usbstick, and boot that and install with the help of the official debian installer |
| 00:33.35 | wwallace | ok |
| 00:33.39 | ksk | depending on your linux/debian knowledge |
| 00:33.41 | wwallace | will do that thank you |
| 00:34.47 | ksk | for that see section "4.3.1. " of the next faqtoid ;) |
| 00:36.22 | xparanoik75 | good evenin' all. i have a box that i've upgraded over the years (~2009) from lenny to buster. I'm not quite sure how to clean up the old sysvinit stuff or to confirm if systemd is fully enabled so to speak... any ideas on how to check? |
| 00:37.13 | xparanoik | here is an example https://pastebin.com/i4tLXpSj |
| 00:37.28 | ksk | xparanoik: what is PID1? if that is "systemd" - your system is using it |
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| 00:37.55 | xparanoik | /sbin/init actually |
| 00:37.55 | ksk | that message does come from fail2ban not having a systemd-service file (YeT) |
| 00:38.09 | ksk | ah, so you do not have systemd yet. |
| 00:38.13 | xparanoik | true, i forgot to actually create the service |
| 00:38.39 | xparanoik | i haven't cared much for this box over the years aside from kernel upgrades and dist upgrades |
| 00:38.44 | xparanoik | so i just now realized this |
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| 00:39.15 | ksk | xparanoik: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_and_Testing |
| 00:39.34 | xparanoik | i thought it would have automatically been installed after upgrading to 8 |
| 00:39.38 | xparanoik | i guess not haha |
| 00:40.06 | ksk | no you had to activate it yourself if upgrading, I think. |
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| 00:40.23 | xparanoik | makes sense, probably the safe route, rather than breaking peoples systems due to obscure bugs |
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| 00:40.42 | xparanoik | is it safe to do this remotely for the most part, or should i do it when sitting in front of the box ? |
| 00:41.22 | jaggz | lsof doesn't show anything using /d but umount /d says the target is busy |
| 00:41.49 | ksk | mhm, when rebooting and switching to a totally different service manager, I suppose having remote hands or so would be better. |
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| 00:42.20 | ksk | debian/systemd _is_ very stable, but who knows what goofy things your many times upgraded machine contains.. ;) |
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| 00:42.49 | jaggz | (sorry, hard to type. /d represents /mnt/bigfs) |
| 00:43.13 | jaggz | mount shows /dev/md1 is mounted at /d |
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| 00:43.16 | ksk | jaggz: are you in that directory with your shell right now? :> |
| 00:43.23 | jaggz | nope |
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| 00:43.49 | jaggz | if I go there, lsof shows bash and lsof have it open |
| 00:43.57 | ksk | is there a bindmounts source in that mounted area? |
| 00:44.22 | ksk | (which you mounted, of course..) |
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| 00:46.10 | jaggz | hey, maybe this /tmp /mnt/bigfs/tmp is active even though it gets overrode by a tmpfs mount |
| 00:46.29 | xparanoik | ksk true, i kept the same box for many years before using VMs, and decided to just keep it and upgrade over the years.. it has been through multiple dist-upgrades haha |
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| 00:46.49 | xparanoik | i guess it's just a project now to see how long i can keep it stable (and how long the hardware will last). |
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| 00:46.57 | ksk | nothing wrong with that, I am just not sure to guarantee you a seemlessly working systemd transition ;) |
| 00:47.14 | xparanoik | fair enough, i'll ask my brother to do it when he gets a chance to drive to it |
| 00:47.38 | jaggz | boots sure take a long time with these requires= lines now |
| 00:47.49 | jaggz | would be nice if they at least worked :) |
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| 00:50.25 | royalblue137 | Does anyone here have any experience with bonding? I have my /etc/network/interfaces file set up properly, but I can't seem to ping anything on my network. My bonded connection is detected by the rest of my network and it will respond to external pings. |
| 00:51.14 | jaggz | "the directory /mnt/bigfs/home is specified as the mount point (second field in /etc/fstab or Where= field in systemd unit file) and is not empty. This |
| 00:51.18 | royalblue137 | I thought that I might have to do with my network routing, but 'route' shows that everything is "fine". |
| 00:51.39 | jaggz | does not interfere with mounting.... " |
| 00:52.16 | royalblue137 | What would cause an interface to respond to a ping, but not be able to receive a ping response back? |
| 00:52.54 | jaggz | ok that's ok |
| 00:53.28 | xparanoik | royalblue137 messed up routes perhaps ? |
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| 00:53.54 | jaggz | no wait. that's not cool |
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| 00:55.22 | royalblue137 | xparanoik, well, that's what I thought, but to my knowledge, my routes are configured correctly... |
| 00:55.39 | royalblue137 | All the routes are using the bond interface |
| 00:55.48 | jaakkos | royalblue137: can be difficult to say when we don't know your bonding mode and network topology |
| 00:55.55 | xparanoik | honestly without knowing your whole setup it's hard to help, maybe jump over to ##networking ? |
| 00:56.17 | royalblue137 | I shouldn't need separate routes for the individual bond slaves should I? |
| 00:56.31 | xparanoik | Carefully explaining your problem is half the solution according to #openbsd |
| 00:57.06 | royalblue137 | jaakkos, ok, I'll try##networking. Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 00:57.39 | royalblue137 | It's odd... I have another system setup with bonding configured the exact same way and it works perfectly. |
| 00:58.01 | royalblue137 | I was originally installed with Debian 9 though... |
| 00:58.11 | royalblue137 | edit: I -> It |
| 00:58.22 | tds | royalblue137: no, you don't need routes for each of the bond slaves, and they shouldn't have ip addresses on either |
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| 00:58.57 | tds | looking at the contents of /proc/net/bonding/bond0 (or whatever) would probably be a good starting point to see the state of the bond |
| 00:59.06 | royalblue137 | tds, right, that's what I thought. The bond slaves don't have IP addresses or routes in the routing table. |
| 00:59.14 | tds | cool |
| 00:59.54 | royalblue137 | tds, any idea why a system would respond to a ping, but not be able to transmit itself? |
| 01:00.07 | royalblue137 | Could it be an ARP issue? |
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| 01:00.25 | tds | so other things can ping it and get replies, but it can't ping out? |
| 01:00.37 | royalblue137 | tds, yes |
| 01:00.59 | tds | what does ping say exactly? dest unreachable, or does it try to send packets out? |
| 01:01.22 | royalblue137 | tds, Destination Unreachable |
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| 01:01.49 | tds | is that the exact message? |
| 01:02.25 | royalblue137 | tds, "Destination Host Unreachable" is the exact message |
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| 01:02.34 | tds | yeah, that smells like arp/ndp failing |
| 01:02.46 | tds | `ip neigh` will show you if it has a valid neighbour entry, I'd guess it has a FAILED one? |
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| 01:03.23 | royalblue137 | tds, they're all "STALE" |
| 01:03.50 | tds | hmm, that's odd, a stale entry shouldn't be enough to stop ping |
| 01:03.59 | royalblue137 | Obviously, my 'bond0' interface isn't using ARP properly |
| 01:04.43 | royalblue137 | Well, I switched my connection over to Eth0 and then switched back to bond0 to troubleshoot it. |
| 01:05.08 | royalblue137 | The neighbors list might be from when my eth0 interface was active and working. |
| 01:06.25 | tds | ah, the list should include the interface, or you can ip neigh show dev br0 if you like |
| 01:06.31 | tds | but what mode are you bonding in? |
| 01:08.10 | royalblue137 | I'm running two nics in bode mode 802.3ad (mode 4) |
| 01:08.34 | royalblue137 | I'm not using a bridge... |
| 01:08.47 | tds | ugh, bond0, oops :) |
| 01:08.51 | royalblue137 | the 'ip neigh' command shows -> "dev bond0' |
| 01:09.08 | tds | but definitely look at what /proc/net/bonding says then and see if both links are negotiating with the other side properly |
| 01:09.26 | royalblue137 | tds, ok... let me see |
| 01:09.50 | jaakkos | royalblue137: you've set up LACP link aggregation on the switch, right? |
| 01:09.57 | jaakkos | On the ports in question |
| 01:11.33 | jaakkos | That's kind of important if you use 802.3ad :) |
| 01:12.22 | jaakkos | You might be interested in reading https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/bonding.txt section 5 and the 'mode' information there, at least |
| 01:12.52 | royalblue137 | jaakkos, Yeah I do... I'm running a Ubiquiti EdgeSwitch with the two ports in a static LAG with 'Admin mode', 'STP mode', and 'Link Trap' enabled. |
| 01:13.12 | jaakkos | Okay |
| 01:13.52 | ahi2 | is there a way to install grub to root poartition instead of /dev/sda in the installer? or will it auto install to /dev/sda? |
| 01:14.44 | tds | hmm, static lag sounds like not lacp |
| 01:15.15 | royalblue137 | tds... good point... |
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| 01:16.31 | royalblue137 | tds, I changed it to 'dynamic' and I still can't ping out. |
| 01:17.20 | ksk | how about firing up tcpdump and looking at the bits n bytes? :) |
| 01:17.25 | royalblue137 | I can still ping the server from local net |
| 01:18.10 | ksk | I have a slight memory of this, might be related to some "how the kernel answers certain ARP requests" - tcpdump should show it ;) |
| 01:18.40 | royalblue137 | ksk, good thought... thank you I'll try that |
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| 01:47.32 | royalblue137 | ksk, tcpdump is showing ICMP echo requests and echo replies when I ping my gateway, but ping still responds "Destination Host Unreachable" |
| 01:48.22 | ksk | and, which MAC does this reply have in target? |
| 01:48.29 | ksk | is this the "right" MAC? |
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| 01:49.37 | royalblue137 | ksk, I was wrong... I filtered tcpdump via interface (bond0) and source IP (localhost) and it is only showing requests but no replies |
| 01:50.34 | royalblue137 | There is an "ARP, Request who-has _gateway tell (hostname)" too |
| 01:50.57 | ksk | and no response by your box? |
| 01:51.14 | ksk | check arp_filter arp_announce and arp_ignore (https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/ip-sysctl.txt) |
| 01:51.27 | ksk | its too late over here for me to come to a conclusion which one it is ;) |
| 01:51.34 | royalblue137 | ksk, right, there is no reply from my gateway |
| 01:51.59 | royalblue137 | ksk, Ok. Thank you for your help. I appreciate it. |
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| 01:52.15 | ksk | though if you have them on default (0, as stated in docs) it should work. |
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| 01:53.10 | spiderbubble | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/zFDoiCGE/ |
| 01:53.22 | spiderbubble | is this a terrible idea to use in a bash script? ^ |
| 01:54.12 | spiderbubble | (i'm aware you can use `set -x`, but want to make the output prettier with my own print function) |
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| 01:56.50 | ksk | may I ask what you are trying to do in the first place? |
| 01:56.54 | royalblue137 | ksk, I have none of those files on my system. /proc/sys/net/ipv4/arp_filter, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/arp_announce, & /proc/sys/net/ipv4/arp_ignore don't exist |
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| 01:57.56 | spiderbubble | ksk: are you referring to my snippet or the previous q? |
| 01:57.58 | ksk | royalblue137: you almost got it.. ;) |
| 01:58.10 | jaggz | ksk, got it. okay so it seems my mount paths for the bind stuff were wrong all this time |
| 01:58.10 | ksk | its "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/arp_" for example, you can also use "all" instead of an interface |
| 01:58.13 | ksk | take a look :) |
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| 01:58.33 | royalblue137 | ksk, ah ok... thank you |
| 01:58.51 | ksk | spiderbubble: sorry I did not highlight you, yes, that was for you. |
| 01:59.48 | jaggz | lines like this are needed -- systemd runs an autogenerate script to create units in /var/run/systemd/generator/ |
| 01:59.54 | jaggz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.32 | jaggz | that makes the line Require= and After= the mnt-bigfs.mount unit |
| 02:01.08 | jaggz | (which you can see in the home.mount file in the generator/ dir |
| 02:01.24 | ksk | ah okay, interesting! thanks for sharing. |
| 02:01.41 | jaggz | you asked! :) |
| 02:01.51 | jaggz | (you received!) |
| 02:03.04 | spiderbubble | ksk: i want to explicitly log the commands my shell script is using, while ignoring things that clutter up the log like conditionals and internal functions |
| 02:03.04 | royalblue137 | ksk, arp_filter, arp_announce, and arp_ignore under 'all', 'eth0', 'eth1', and 'bond0' are all set at '0' |
| 02:03.12 | jaggz | you might be able to specify a path there, but I ended up switching to unit names before I got my src dest fixed did the unit name thing |
| 02:03.27 | jaggz | oops |
| 02:03.38 | spiderbubble | ksk: there's also a pretty print function i'm using in the actual script instead of just `echo` |
| 02:03.47 | royalblue137 | any other thoughts as to why I wouldn't be receiving back replies? |
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| 02:07.34 | ksk | royalblue137: at that point I would seek the help of networking |
| 02:07.55 | ksk | (the guy who can run tcpdump on the router) |
| 02:08.14 | ksk | or spiderbubble mhhm, I think what people tend to do is build in logging into the script |
| 02:08.31 | ksk | spiderbubble: (ignore the or) |
| 02:09.03 | ksk | like "do some bash", add a test, if success echo "script did XY", if not "error in XY" |
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| 02:09.18 | ksk | logging is one of the many shortcomings of bash (though it has its usecases!) |
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| 02:11.04 | spiderbubble | right, i have that as well. but the script makes a lot more sense when you see the commands printed out |
| 02:12.16 | ksk | people tend to not do what you are trying to do. you might want to rething that ;) |
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| 02:13.09 | ksk | okay, I use bash -x sometimes to see whats happening - but only if I am like interactivly using the script, and not like "fire and forget" |
| 02:13.48 | ksk | #bash can probably better help on that topic in general, by the way. |
| 02:15.27 | spiderbubble | ah didn't realize there was a #bash room |
| 02:16.25 | royalblue137 | ksk, ok. Thanks for your help. I'm running a pfsense router, so maybe I can figure out how to run tcpdump on it. |
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| 02:17.22 | ksk | oh, you are the network admin. then its your fault Id say to end this ;) |
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| 02:18.51 | royalblue137 | ksk, I just fixed it. |
| 02:19.24 | royalblue137 | My pfsense router had a permanent ARP entry for the local IP but with the incorrect MAC address. |
| 02:19.59 | royalblue137 | Not a linux problem... it was a "network admin" (me) problem. ;) |
| 02:20.09 | royalblue137 | Thanks for all the help in troubleshooting it. |
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| 02:39.15 | TESTED123 | hey |
| 02:39.52 | TESTED123 | im having problems with postfix i can send email to user but not to root...it says Cannot open mailbox /root/Maildir: Is a directory...what the hell is that |
| 02:40.20 | TESTED123 | if i create a maildir with cur,new and temp it doesnt give me the error |
| 02:40.29 | TESTED123 | but it doesnt get the email though |
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| 02:43.14 | filpAM | gma500: power management timed out, this happens everytime, my laptop gpu is gma 3600 btw |
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| 02:43.56 | filpAM | After I upgraded to debian 10, the brightness controls don't work anymore |
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| 03:24.26 | imtempted | Good evening |
| 03:24.48 | imtempted | I need some help understanding something regarding cpu frequency |
| 03:24.51 | imtempted | y |
| 03:26.14 | imtempted | Anybody here? |
| 03:26.38 | annadane | imtempted, sure, lots of people, just ask |
| 03:27.36 | imtempted | k |
| 03:27.56 | imtempted | I have PopOS which is a Debian derivative |
| 03:28.06 | ksk | !based on debian |
| 03:28.07 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 03:28.48 | imtempted | lscpu shows a max freqency of 2ghz for my AMD3400G... I expected it to say 3.7mhz min (base) and 4.2 max (turbo) |
| 03:29.09 | imtempted | k |
| 03:29.22 | imtempted | I hope this is more general than dist specific |
| 03:29.27 | imtempted | c |
| 03:29.48 | imtempted | BIOS show right frequency |
| 03:29.55 | ksk | imtempted: I dont know about the specific processor, but modern CPUs do clock down really low if there is no work to do. |
| 03:30.05 | ksk | you will see max frequency in bios in contrast to that ;) |
| 03:30.51 | ksk | imtempted: maybe try running sysbench (a benchmarking tool) to create some load |
| 03:31.03 | ksk | and then check the frequency again. |
| 03:31.15 | imtempted | k |
| 03:31.18 | imtempted | sysbench |
| 03:32.07 | ksk | or, in short: what you describe is normal. cpu will clock higher if there is actual load. |
| 03:32.28 | imtempted | but shouldn't max be 4.2? or even 3.7? |
| 03:33.52 | ksk | did you read and undertand what I wrote? :> |
| 03:35.46 | imtempted | I'm good to go |
| 03:35.49 | imtempted | thank you |
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| 04:11.49 | GenTooMan | Hmmm anything I should be cautious about with a 4T hard disk and debian? |
| 04:12.51 | dvs | GenTooMan, only if you don't use UEFI. |
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| 05:33.54 | thea1ien | Good evening. Is anyone here pretty knowledgable with SCREEN? I'm trying to get 2 systemd services setup that will run under the same (but seporate tabbed) session. |
| 05:35.51 | jaggz | hides |
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| 05:35.57 | jm_ | why would you waste time trying to combine screen and systemd units? |
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| 05:38.25 | thea1ien | I'm trying to get 2 terraria linux world servers set up and running. Preferably each as a seporate screen tab. That way they can run and be independantly stopped if needed to. But I could easily run screen to connect and flip between the 2 when I need to |
| 05:40.07 | thea1ien | I found a website that works using only 1 server. I've tried to modify what they did but to include the 2nd server...which ends up not working. I'm pretty sure I could be lazy and just have the script to attach to each as a seporate screen session. But what would be the fun in that. |
| 05:41.02 | jm_ | why not simply start them as a systemd unit? you can control them that way just like other units. please don't tell me it requires a tty to run |
| 05:41.31 | thea1ien | Plus, I've seen a linux based crypto-miner that was pre-setup do basically the same thing I'm trying to do. I just am unsure how they went about it. |
| 05:41.59 | thea1ien | the servers are CLI based, so no xwindow environ needed, if thats what you meant |
| 05:42.14 | BazookaTooth | wondering why any of this is related to debian |
| 05:42.34 | jm_ | presumably they are tring to do it on debian :) |
| 05:42.36 | thea1ien | running this on Debian 9... |
| 05:43.08 | jm_ | my recommendation would be to just try and do it all with systemd without screen - what's the added value of attaching to a running instance? |
| 05:43.20 | thea1ien | I also tried first in #Linux but noone responded. Since it's more a general linux question than specific to debian, I did try there first |
| 05:44.13 | thea1ien | while running, you need a way to send commands to the running service/server. As well as seeing the response to said commands. |
| 05:44.49 | jm_ | how do you send the commands? |
| 05:45.20 | thea1ien | atm, connect to the screen session, and just type them into the connected terminal session |
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| 05:46.02 | jm_ | yay how stupid, no wonder they used screen then |
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| 05:46.52 | thea1ien | lol yeah thank Terraria on that. Of course it's both for Linux and Windows so.. |
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| 05:47.26 | thea1ien | I agree tho, screen still seems the right choice, since you want it normally to stay running without needing to stay logged in. |
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| 05:49.37 | jm_ | this shall help https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/74785/how-to-open-tabs-windows-in-gnu-screen-execute-commands-within-each-one |
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| 05:51.18 | thea1ien | thanks. I'm checking it out now. I tried googling first, but wasn't finding anything very useful. |
| 05:51.59 | jm_ | this is even simpler https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1545643 |
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| 06:34.59 | ob-sed | Whats a good graphical linux sftp client ? |
| 06:35.23 | ob-sed | something like WinSCP or Filezilla |
| 06:35.27 | ob-sed | Any good apps ? |
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| 06:37.32 | jelly | ,v filezilla |
| 06:37.33 | judd | Package: filezilla on amd64 -- jessie: 3.9.0.5-1; stretch: 3.24.0-1; buster: 3.39.0-2; bullseye: 3.45.1-3; sid: 3.45.1-3 |
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| 06:37.55 | ob-sed | thanks jelly |
| 06:38.18 | ob-sed | i see its in ports which is good, the windows version comes bundled with adware, i guess the debian version does not right judd ? |
| 06:38.29 | jm_ | judd is a bot |
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| 06:39.08 | jelly | it's an open source product, not sure where adware would come from |
| 06:39.22 | ob-sed | ah thanks jelly lol |
| 06:39.48 | ob-sed | jelly: on windows the adware came with the installer, the installer was closed source and bundled third-party potentially unwanted programs |
| 06:40.01 | ob-sed | i guess on debian the installer is apt so there goes that problem ;-) |
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| 06:46.45 | voices | hey what colour is the default $PS1 on debian? |
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| 06:50.15 | jm_ | it has some green and blue |
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| 06:53.37 | jim | I'm probably using the default, screen is white, text is black |
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| 06:59.25 | han-solo | that depends on the term, the user and some other stuff, right ? |
| 07:03.22 | jm_ | yeah it's in colours by default if TERM is xterm-color or *-256color, otherwise one can force enable it, see /etc/skel/.bashrc |
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| 07:13.18 | RoyK | jm_: export TERM=vt100 # :þ |
| 07:13.42 | RoyK | jm_: and better don't change it in the skeleton, but rather locally |
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| 07:18.46 | jm_ | RoyK: it's not me asking about it, I use zsh anyway |
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| 07:23.39 | RoyK | voices: it all depends on the TERM variable and what things like 'ls' output. try 'ls --color=never'. IIRC its default is --color=auto |
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| 07:25.14 | rudi_s | RoyK: You should never set TERM manually in a shell configuration file. It causes problems and setting TERM is the terminal emulator's job. |
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| 07:26.41 | RoyK | rudi_s: quite possibly - didn't work either |
| 07:27.01 | RoyK | but checking for aliases/defaults for ls/grep etc would probably help |
| 07:27.24 | RoyK | can't understand why on earth someone would want to disable colours, but then, that's another thing |
| 07:28.04 | RoyK | btw, if using vim, remember :syntax off to disable syntax highlighting there as well |
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| 07:28.20 | RoyK | and possibly something similar in whatever other editor you might fancy |
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| 07:51.27 | toolz | does anyone have a clue or hint on how to simply bring up an entire /24 IP block on one server? |
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| 08:03.29 | ratrace | toolz: afaik you can't without specifying each of the 254 addrs. you could use systemd-networkd it's less verbose to do so, or use a postup script |
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| 08:10.41 | annadane | ratrace do you ever sleep? :D |
| 08:11.08 | ratrace | annadane: at least 8 hours a day :) |
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| 08:50.44 | MaxFrames | hello |
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| 08:51.50 | MaxFrames | I need to upgrade an old debian 7 virtual machine to debian 10, and since I am working on a "test environment" copy of the virtual machine, I need to change its static ip address; I am having trouble with it |
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| 08:52.40 | MaxFrames | the nm-connection-editor GUI allows me to select the interface (displayed as "ifupdown (eth0)", but the "edit" button is greyed out |
| 08:53.16 | LATITUDE__ | so sad |
| 08:53.16 | rudi_s | toolz: I'm curious, why do you want to do this? |
| 08:53.35 | toolz | for some test purposes in our lab |
| 08:54.07 | MaxFrames | the interface is supposedly manageable by nm-connection-editor because the NetworkManager conf file has the "managed=true" directive enabled |
| 08:54.29 | MaxFrames | under [ifupdown] |
| 08:55.25 | LATITUDE__ | sounds terrible |
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| 08:55.40 | LATITUDE__ | i still don't know how to use an oscilloscope |
| 08:56.52 | ZaZaGX | whats the oscilloscope app in debian? |
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| 08:57.38 | no_gravity | Good Morning! When you have two wifi cards, can you tell the browser which on to use? |
| 08:58.25 | LATITUDE__ | now there's an app for oscilloscopes |
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| 09:01.14 | ZaZaGX | whats an oscilloscopes used for? |
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| 09:04.03 | jm_ | MaxFrames: did you check if it's defined in /etc/network/interfaces? what you said above suggests so |
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| 09:04.37 | MaxFrames | it is defined there, but based on what I read the "managed=true" directive in the networkmanager conf file should make it manageable via gui |
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| 09:04.58 | humbot | i have 'managed=false' but the gui works :þ |
| 09:05.05 | MaxFrames | go figure |
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| 09:09.33 | MaxFrames | btw, can the jump from 7 to 10 be done? |
| 09:09.37 | MaxFrames | I mean in one step |
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| 09:12.18 | jm_ | no |
| 09:15.03 | MaxFrames | dammit |
| 09:15.21 | MaxFrames | I edited the interfaces manually and it worked, so that is one done |
| 09:15.58 | MaxFrames | now I need to disable some services from automatically running, I followed this tutorial and it did not work, the services still run automatically at boot: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/106656/how-do-services-in-debian-work-and-how-can-i-manage-them |
| 09:16.30 | MaxFrames | I have double checked that the services no longer appear in /etc/rc3.d, but they started nevertheless at boot |
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| 09:17.37 | humbot | are you testing a debian 10 iso in your environment? |
| 09:18.22 | jm_ | MaxFrames: and their startup files were only in rc.3d? |
| 09:18.32 | MaxFrames | maybe not. sorry |
| 09:19.09 | MaxFrames | humbot: no, I need to resurrect an old debian vm that had been left at 7 and upgrade it to 10 |
| 09:19.47 | MaxFrames | jm_: so I need to remove the autostart from all run levels |
| 09:20.10 | no_gravity | How do you completely turn off a wifi card? |
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| 09:20.30 | boktan | hi i cannot charge my battery from laptop more than 95% can anybody please help me about that? |
| 09:21.30 | MaxFrames | and in a way that I can later re-enable the services in all runlevels as they were before |
| 09:21.39 | jm_ | MaxFrames: man update-rc.d â DISABLING INIT SCRIPT START LINKS |
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| 09:32.16 | MaxFrames | ok, so in my case "sudo update-rc |
| 09:32.51 | MaxFrames | "sudo update-rc.d [servicename] disable" |
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| 09:33.54 | MaxFrames | and then to enable "sudo update-rc.d [servicename] enable" and everything will be back to as before |
| 09:34.03 | MaxFrames | and this will touch all runlevels. correct? |
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| 09:35.52 | jm_ | yeah |
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| 09:36.37 | MaxFrames | sudo: update-rc.d: command not found |
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| 09:40.37 | MaxFrames | there's even an update-rc.d file in /usr/sbin but if I run the command from there it still says command not found :X |
| 09:41.28 | jm_ | what does «file /usr/sbin/update-rc.d» say? |
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| 09:42.50 | MaxFrames | Perl script, ASCII text executable |
| 09:43.29 | themill | when you say "run the command from there" what do you mean? (the current directory should not be in the PATH) |
| 09:43.48 | MaxFrames | cd /usr/sbin |
| 09:44.03 | themill | that does nothing |
| 09:45.19 | MaxFrames | and then "sudo update-rc.d -n arpwatch remove" |
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| 09:45.33 | MaxFrames | => update-rc.d: command not found |
| 09:46.39 | MaxFrames | ok, it runs if I include /usr/sbin/ in the command path, not if I omit it |
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| 09:50.15 | jm_ | MaxFrames: cd /usr/sbin && ./update-rc.d -n arpwatch remove |
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| 09:50.42 | jm_ | (probably won't work via sudo that way) |
| 09:50.55 | MaxFrames | it seems to have worked, I am rebooting |
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| 09:52.52 | MaxFrames | yes, "ps aux | grep [service]" shows they are not running |
| 09:53.14 | MaxFrames | so far so good... now on to the real task, upgrade this puppy to 10 |
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| 09:56.32 | themill | MaxFrames: upgrade to 8 then 9 then 10 (in case you didn't realise) |
| 09:57.07 | MaxFrames | gulp... yes I'd realise, I plan to follow this walkthrough https://www.prado.lt/how-to-upgrade-debian-7-wheezy-to-10-buster-safely |
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| 09:58.47 | ZaZaGX | wouldn't it be easier to just format and install the debian 10 iso? |
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| 09:59.59 | MaxFrames | normally yes, but in this case you'll have to take my word for it that it's better this way |
| 10:00.33 | ZaZaGX | i would just backup the data on an external harddrive |
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| 10:16.28 | MaxFrames | just to confirm: dhcp3-server (and dhcp3-common and dhcp3-client), which are part of "ISC DHCP server (transitional package)", can be removed if I was using isc-dhcp-server, right? I mean they are the old version of the package? |
| 10:17.06 | MaxFrames | following that tutorial, I am advised to remove all packages that are returned by "sudo dpkg --audit", and these are among them |
| 10:17.39 | Osprey_Jr | Which script in Debian 10 with Gnome gets executed after logging in again (screensaver, power saver)? I would like to hook my own script to it. |
| 10:17.48 | MaxFrames | or better yet, I am advised to fix any package that is returned by that command, but if dhcp3 is the old transitional version, I really shall be removing it |
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| 10:48.49 | jm_ | MaxFrames: transitional packages only have Depends: field set to pull in something else and are normally safe to remove |
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| 10:54.12 | MaxFrames | thanks |
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| 11:48.09 | parasrtina1 | ciao |
| 11:48.13 | parasrtina1 | !list |
| 11:48.13 | dpkg | parasrtina1: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 11:48.57 | colo-work | :D |
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| 12:03.01 | MaxFrames | good... when doing apt-get dist-upgrade the screen saver (with screen lock) kicked in and now I can't unlock |
| 12:03.23 | MaxFrames | when I move the mouse, the desktop briefly flashes, then gets back to solid black |
| 12:03.37 | MaxFrames | I should be seeing a password field to unlock the session |
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| 12:07.03 | jm_ | try pstree and see what phase it's in |
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| 12:08.51 | nyov | Is there any GTK3 theme that looks like GTK2 Darklooks (dark Clearlooks)!? |
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| 12:09.36 | MaxFrames | lol... had to sudo killall gnome-screensaver |
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| 12:10.13 | MaxFrames | oh the many challenges of upgrading debian when you're challenged |
| 12:10.44 | nyov | still prefer the GTK2 looks, but since more software is migrating to gtk3, why are themes looking so horrible there? |
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| 12:13.12 | humbot | "take my word for it that it's better this way" |
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| 12:13.19 | jm_ | MaxFrames: it's never a good idea to do it from GUI, but if you do, try to do it in screen or tmux next time |
| 12:13.34 | MaxFrames | yes, I made that mistake |
| 12:13.48 | MaxFrames | now I will reboot, and the next steps will be via ssh |
| 12:14.03 | humbot | with screen |
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| 12:14.55 | MaxFrames | humbot: it being "better" has nothing to do with the procedure, I'm obvioulsy conscious that it's much more complicated this way |
| 12:15.32 | MaxFrames | it has to do with my not having completely documented how I set up this machine years and years ago. so I may not be able to set it up from scratch like it needs to be |
| 12:15.43 | MaxFrames | so I prefer trying to upgrade it |
| 12:16.14 | MaxFrames | it will go back to sleep forever in a matter of months anyway |
| 12:16.39 | MaxFrames | (and will not be replaced) |
| 12:17.06 | MaxFrames | I just need it to work like it used to for a while, but I surely cannot bring online a debian 7 |
| 12:17.54 | MaxFrames | of course if this fails, I will have no choice but to clean install and try to reverse engineer what I did back then |
| 12:18.38 | humbot | 8 will still get some security updates for a few months, but i don't think a gui is recommended there |
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| 12:19.01 | MaxFrames | is 9 still supported? |
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| 12:19.57 | MaxFrames | looks like it is |
| 12:19.58 | humbot | yup |
| 12:20.05 | MaxFrames | then I will stop at 9, good |
| 12:21.00 | MaxFrames | bbl... lunch |
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| 12:44.00 | oxek | how can I make debian mount all removable media with the noatime parameter instead of relatime? |
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| 12:44.45 | ratrace | oxek: are you talking about automatic mounts like for example by gvfs/gnome when you plug in such media? |
| 12:44.58 | oxek | ratrace: yes |
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| 12:45.46 | ratrace | oxek: you'll have to find out if there's default options for gvfs somewhere, probably dconf or some such |
| 12:46.11 | oxek | ratrace: what about a file that describes what the 'default' option on fstab means? |
| 12:47.06 | ratrace | oxek: fstab is not used by gnome automount / gvfs / udisks. that's why I asked about the context |
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| 12:47.56 | ratrace | but "default" should be filesystem-specific and is explained iirc by the mount(8) manpage |
| 12:48.58 | oxek | I was reading that manpage, and found out that to disable atime, I change the fstab entry to "default,noatime" but did not find out where the "default" is defined |
| 12:49.17 | oxek | but I need to find out the gvfs config too |
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| 12:50.44 | ratrace | oxek: I don't think you need specfically to supply the "defaults" keyword |
| 12:51.02 | ratrace | at any rate, that's not related to what gvfs/udisks do |
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| 12:52.14 | Habbie | is there a python module for parsing Release/Package files from remote apt repos? |
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| 12:58.04 | themill | Habbie: python-requests + python-debian |
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| 12:58.40 | Guest13007 | !usb |
| 12:58.40 | dpkg | Universal Serial Bus (USB) is a technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial/communications and more flexible: many devices can be connected to simultaneously. USB 3.0 is supported by the Linux kernel since version 2.6.31. http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html http://www.linux-usb.org/ See also <usb install>, <usbreset>. |
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| 12:59.02 | Habbie | themill, oh thanks, i missed -debian! |
| 12:59.20 | Guest13007 | That is not what i want what i want is how do i put an iso in a usb stick and then boot and install debian from ir |
| 12:59.24 | Guest13007 | it* |
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| 13:00.14 | themill | Guest13007: https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
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| 13:01.28 | Guest13007 | Thanks |
| 13:02.09 | Guest13007 | hmm using that cp will that be a bootable device? |
| 13:02.37 | themill | yes |
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| 13:35.10 | revolutionary | how to disable ipv6 completely on Buster by system and how to check it is really disabled? |
| 13:35.40 | Dagger | ...you should not need to do so. if v6 is causing a problem, fix the problem itself |
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| 13:39.00 | revolutionary | so... |
| 13:39.06 | revolutionary | how can i disable? |
| 13:39.33 | greycat | The first step is you listen to Dagger, who is the biggest IPv6 expert here. |
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| 13:40.38 | greycat | The second step is you state what the problem is, how you trigger it, and what it says on the screen. |
| 13:40.39 | colo-work | downgrading to potato might help |
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| 13:42.53 | NetTerminalGene | can't you disable ipv6 in networkmanager gui_? |
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| 13:45.08 | oxek | what is the default root password in debian? I skipped the section of setting up user accounts during installation, and now have rebooted and have a login prompt |
| 13:45.15 | oxek | I enter root as user, but don't know the password |
| 13:45.44 | greycat | If you do not give a root password during installation, sudo is installed, and your primary non-root user is placed into the sudo group, so you can sudo -i to get a root shell. |
| 13:45.45 | petn-randall | oxek: There is none. If you didn't set the password (and I don't know how you did that), then the account is disabled. |
| 13:45.45 | ratrace | I didn't know you can install debian without supplying at least root password |
| 13:45.53 | greycat | You can. |
| 13:45.57 | ratrace | bah. |
| 13:46.07 | oxek | petn-randall: so reboot into rescue mode, and passwd the root account? |
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| 13:46.13 | greycat | If you do that, you cannot go into single user mode, because that requires a root password. Which doesn't exist. |
| 13:46.28 | greycat | oxek: just "sudo -i", and then "passwd root". |
| 13:46.34 | petn-randall | !frp |
| 13:46.34 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 13:46.46 | greycat | that isn't necessary unless you broke sudo somehow |
| 13:46.47 | oxek | greycat: there are no other accounts on the system |
| 13:46.49 | petn-randall | Ah, if there's an account, greycat's option is easier. |
| 13:46.51 | oxek | so sudo is not installed |
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| 13:47.00 | greycat | oxek: then you did not install Debian |
| 13:47.00 | oxek | I completely skipped that section of installation |
| 13:47.10 | oxek | and went straight to partitioning disks and installing packages |
| 13:47.15 | petn-randall | How did you manage to install without creating a user, OR setting a root password? |
| 13:47.27 | oxek | petn-randall: nothing stopped me? |
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| 13:47.34 | ratrace | greycat: ah that's what I meant, expressed myself wrongly. I meant you can't install deb without at least _some_ user password, unpriv or root. |
| 13:47.50 | oxek | ratrace: I managed it |
| 13:47.51 | petn-randall | oxek: Which installer did you use? |
| 13:48.01 | Dagger | oxek: I guess the answer is to boot with init=/bin/sh and run passwd |
| 13:48.05 | oxek | petn-randall: text installer |
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| 13:48.18 | petn-randall | oxek: and which OS release? |
| 13:48.29 | oxek | debian 10.2 |
| 13:48.35 | oxek | amd64 |
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| 13:48.39 | oxek | released last week or so |
| 13:48.42 | petn-randall | huh, didn't know that was possible. |
| 13:48.58 | greycat | I've not even *done* a buster install yet. |
| 13:50.03 | ratrace | you upgrade since potato? ;) |
| 13:51.03 | greycat | I've done stretch installs, some of which have been upgraded to buster. Other systems have upgraded since before stretch... don't think I have any surviving original-potatoes though :) |
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| 13:52.43 | oxek | everything sorted, I booted from the installer cd into rescue mode and did passwd as the root user |
| 13:52.47 | oxek | what a strange thing |
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| 13:54.23 | oxek | I guess it's ok that debian installer does not force you to setup a user account |
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| 13:54.40 | greycat | Was there at least a warning? |
| 13:54.47 | oxek | no warning |
| 13:54.54 | greycat | that should be a bug report, then |
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| 13:55.15 | ratrace | oxek: but surely you had the prompt for root's password? even if you hit just enter twice |
| 13:55.29 | oxek | should it? This lets you setup accounts manually outside the installer environment using the virtual console during installation without the installer knowing about it |
| 13:55.43 | oxek | ratrace: no prompt, I literally skipped that section |
| 13:56.14 | oxek | when you get the text installer, you are presented with sections like keyboard config, language, user account setup, paritioning, package config, etc. |
| 13:56.32 | oxek | I skipped all and went straight to paritioning and package setup |
| 13:56.34 | greycat | only if you cancel out of an operation first |
| 13:56.38 | ratrace | iirc only if you cancel one.... yeah that |
| 13:57.12 | ratrace | otherwise it's a sequence of prompts and menus and it always includes password, for root or an unpriv user. |
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| 13:58.14 | oxek | I always get these weird issues |
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| 14:02.01 | r3m1 | hello |
| 14:02.20 | r3m1 | is it possible to modify the output format of command hwclock, much like date ? |
| 14:03.00 | greycat | it can do whatever its man page says it can do |
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| 14:05.04 | r3m1 | can it NOT do what is NOT in the man ? :( |
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| 14:06.31 | greycat | Why would you *want* its output to be in a different format in the first place? The thing only exists to support loading and saving the system clock at boot/shutdown time. |
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| 14:09.15 | revolutionary | my goal is disable ipv6 completely because i believe it is not safe as ipv4 |
| 14:09.32 | revolutionary | i mean i want to not assign ipv6 any |
| 14:09.34 | revolutionary | brb |
| 14:09.43 | greycat | ... yeah, that would be why I /ignored you before, and why I'm about to do it again |
| 14:10.10 | revolutionary | greycat: no problem you can ignore or block me. |
| 14:10.16 | Dagger | it's no less safe than v4 is. you can leave it alone, and it won't impact your security |
| 14:10.25 | revolutionary | Thank you Dagger |
| 14:10.38 | revolutionary | I left it alone |
| 14:10.42 | Dagger | (I'm assuming that you block inbound connections on both v4 and v6. if not, then the right thing to do is to block them) |
| 14:11.01 | revolutionary | got it |
| 14:11.15 | Ticho_ | just add disable_ipv6=1 to kernel commandline |
| 14:11.34 | whislock_ | Why are you disabling ipv6? |
| 14:11.38 | whislock_ | There's absolutely no reason to do so. |
| 14:12.21 | revolutionary | whislock_ i learned from privacytools.io ipv6 is not safe. |
| 14:12.37 | revolutionary | Ticho_ i added to the grub.cfg, thanks |
| 14:12.51 | whislock_ | revolutionary: That's... total bullshit, frankly. |
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| 14:13.02 | Ticho_ | whislock_: why does it matter why? he wants to, it's his system(s), that's reason enough |
| 14:13.11 | whislock_ | Ticho_: No, it isn't. |
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| 14:13.20 | revolutionary | whislock_ they are saying block ipv6 on Firefox. Is that correct information? |
| 14:13.26 | whislock_ | Blindly advising people on how to do dumb shit is not providing good support. |
| 14:13.35 | whislock_ | revolutionary: No. |
| 14:13.40 | tds | revolutionary: firstly, find better sources, secondly manually editing your grub config is probably a bad idea, it'll get overwritten by grub-mkconfig next time you update kernel |
| 14:14.00 | revolutionary | let me find that article |
| 14:14.04 | whislock_ | revolutionary: Again: There is NO REASON to disable ipv6. |
| 14:14.10 | whislock_ | If anything tells you that there is, it's wrong. |
| 14:14.51 | Ticho_ | one man'ss dumb shit is another's best practice - at my work, we have an entire certain class of systems where we explicitly disable ipv6, because none of the software products used there need it, and some of them have had problems with it in the past, due to buggy vendor code |
| 14:15.05 | asymptotically | revolutionary: what makes you think that? i just grepped privacytools.io for ipv6 and they dont mention it |
| 14:15.05 | whislock_ | Ticho_: Nice. I don't care. You're doing things wrong. End of story. |
| 14:15.06 | Dagger | the might rarely be some reason to. but "for privacy"? no |
| 14:15.14 | Ticho_ | ok |
| 14:15.34 | whislock_ | Ticho_: Just because you do $dumbThing at work doesn't make $dumbThing not dumb. |
| 14:15.44 | Ticho_ | if you say so |
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| 14:16.06 | whislock_ | I do say so. I'm glad you agree. |
| 14:16.16 | revolutionary | asymptotically: when you did this there is no ipv6 leak anymore |
| 14:16.17 | revolutionary | https://www.privacytools.io/browsers/#fingerprint |
| 14:16.53 | greycat | there is no "v6" on that page |
| 14:16.53 | whislock_ | revolutionary: Stop trying to do things because rando website told you to. Don't disable ipv6. Move on with your life. |
| 14:16.56 | ratrace | if anything, IPv6 is actaully safer thank IPv4 due to its mandate of IPSEC in the protocol specification |
| 14:17.07 | ratrace | *than |
| 14:17.16 | Ticho_ | revolutionary: I would agree with whislock_ here |
| 14:17.40 | revolutionary | Thanks all of you. I learned a new thing |
| 14:17.49 | revolutionary | Appreciate |
| 14:17.53 | ratrace | and with privacy extensions you can not have default IPv6 reflect your MAC, so, it definitely is not less safe than IPv4 |
| 14:18.33 | revolutionary | I just did this for ipv6 leak on VPN |
| 14:18.40 | revolutionary | when on VPN* |
| 14:19.41 | revolutionary | brb |
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| 14:20.28 | tds | the correct solution there is to find a vpn that supports ipv6 |
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| 14:20.59 | tds | though some that don't support v6 do push a v6 default null route, which is a slightly less terrible solution than disabling v6 systemwide |
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| 14:32.21 | moistmoskito | o/ |
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| 15:08.17 | MaxFrames | woah... it took up to now to go from wheezy to jessie. now ready for jessie to stretch |
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| 15:09.47 | petn-randall | MaxFrames: I've got news for you ... |
| 15:10.09 | MaxFrames | ? |
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| 15:12.24 | MaxFrames | petn-randall: what about it? |
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| 15:16.59 | MaxFrames | I'll be left with my curiosity |
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| 15:33.51 | Haohmaru | MaxFrames hopefully ur not a cat |
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| 15:37.36 | MaxFrames | the linux command or the feline lifeform? |
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| 15:41.16 | MaxFrames | but you may be one! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maru_(cat) |
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| 15:46.09 | Haohmaru | MaxFrames bruh... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haohmaru |
| 15:46.57 | MaxFrames | I see, the Haoh part is relevant :P |
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| 16:08.51 | zumba_addict | Hi all. I'd like to update the menu so I can add another custom kernel I recently built. I did some research and it looks like it's using Grub2. When I looked at /etc/grub.d/40_custom, it was empty. I'd like to know how the default menuentry looks like so I can duplicate the code |
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| 16:13.31 | towo` | zumba_addict, build kernel-debs and you have to do nothing manual |
| 16:13.49 | zumba_addict | hi towo` |
| 16:14.00 | zumba_addict | I'm sorry, I'm confused |
| 16:14.25 | zumba_addict | The last command I execute was `make`. I haven't execute `make modules_install` |
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| 16:16.38 | zumba_addict | I want to make sure that I'll be able to pick the original kernel image in case the new custom kernel I built is missing some options or modules that it might kernel panic |
| 16:17.07 | diogenes_ | zumba_addict, http://dpaste.com/1MX0G7G |
| 16:17.40 | zumba_addict | looking |
| 16:17.41 | diogenes_ | make changes according to your system. |
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| 16:18.07 | zumba_addict | What does towo` mean though on what he said? |
| 16:18.11 | zumba_addict | it got me interested |
| 16:18.52 | zumba_addict | Can I generate that kind of menu from my existing system so that I won't screw up the original one? |
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| 16:20.19 | towo` | zumba_addict, if you build your kernel with make bindeb-pkg you get kernel- and header-debs which you can easy install with apt or dpkg |
| 16:21.05 | jhutchins_wk | The answer is that update-grub should find the new kernel and add an entry for it, but he's gone. |
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| 16:21.38 | zumba_addict | i'm back. My irc client crashed |
| 16:21.45 | zumba_addict | did I miss any message? |
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| 16:24.55 | greycat | 11:20 towo`> zumba_addict, if you build your kernel with make bindeb-pkg you get kernel- and header-debs which you can easy install with apt or dpkg |
| 16:27.01 | zumba_addict | got it |
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| 16:28.38 | zumba_addict | I'm not sure if my msg earlier went thru. The command that I've only executed was `make`. I was planning to run `make module_install` but I looked at grub first to make sure I have a copy of the menus. Back in the previous grub version, I just edit grub.conf I think which contains all the menus |
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| 16:30.33 | towo` | zumba_addict, what's the propblem in doing it right? |
| 16:30.56 | towo` | zumba_addict, and edit grub.conf is a bad idea |
| 16:31.08 | zumba_addict | I think you misinterpreted me. |
| 16:31.17 | towo` | because all changes are gone, if debian is running update-grub |
| 16:31.21 | zumba_addict | yep |
| 16:31.37 | zumba_addict | I agree that it's a bad idea. |
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| 16:32.01 | towo` | so don't use make, make modules-Install, build your kernel with make bindeb-pkg and install the resulting debs |
| 16:32.02 | misato | zdarova |
| 16:32.17 | zumba_addict | I was just asking how to make sure that I can still pick the original boot image |
| 16:32.18 | zumba_addict | oh |
| 16:32.25 | zumba_addict | I downloaded linux kernel source |
| 16:33.02 | jelly | zumba_addict: that linux kernel source from upstream knows about "make deb-pkg" and "make bindeb-pkg" |
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| 16:34.43 | zumba_addict | jelly: so the `make` I executed was fine? |
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| 16:35.08 | towo` | zumba_addict, no, it was not |
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| 16:35.27 | jelly | zumba_addict: it won't hurt, but it does not generate deb packages for you |
| 16:35.28 | towo` | zumba_addict, aain, insead make, type make bindeb-pkg |
| 16:35.28 | zumba_addict | k, what are the exact steps since I'm doing the 1995 way |
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| 16:35.35 | zumba_addict | ah |
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| 16:35.46 | zumba_addict | cool |
| 16:35.53 | zumba_addict | redoing it now |
| 16:36.18 | zumba_addict | it's running right now |
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| 16:36.52 | zumba_addict | what's the next command? dpkg to install the resulting deb file? |
| 16:37.19 | towo` | you will get 3 debs |
| 16:37.54 | towo` | image, headers and linux-libc-dev |
| 16:38.06 | towo` | you only need the image and headers one |
| 16:38.10 | zumba_addict | k |
| 16:38.39 | zumba_addict | once I install the 2 deb files, it will get included from the boot menu? |
| 16:38.45 | towo` | yes |
| 16:38.59 | zumba_addict | very nice! |
| 16:39.00 | towo` | because dpkg is triggering update-grub |
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| 16:39.28 | mop_ | hi...I am trying to prepare a fully unattended usb installation stick...started with the debian buster template...everything except partitioning is now working...I would just like to use the first (whatever that is /dev/sda, /dev/mmclpk0 whatever) full disk (killing everything on it) and then proceed |
| 16:39.31 | zumba_addict | It's really nice because users can screw up like harddisk labels |
| 16:39.40 | zumba_addict | this is a great improvement! |
| 16:39.50 | mop_ | i am seeing multiple stack overflow posts but none of them is really working for me |
| 16:40.02 | zumba_addict | also back in the days, we have to run lilo, lol |
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| 16:40.11 | zumba_addict | then I run sync 3 times, :D |
| 16:40.28 | zumba_addict | those days are gone! |
| 16:40.55 | mop_ | and I didn't even find a comprehensive list of all supported flags....now I just did `debconf-get-selection --installer | grep partman` on a finished system and recreated my preseed...now everything is hanging during install |
| 16:41.23 | mop_ | where do I find a list of all supported preseed flags for partman and a proper explanation? |
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| 16:42.28 | misato | hi |
| 16:43.09 | oxek | are these messages in dmesg something to be concerned about: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/febbdadc/ |
| 16:43.17 | oxek | I did not run dumpe2fs manually |
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| 16:43.44 | oxek | I worry something is wrong with my storage |
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| 16:43.55 | oxek | just randomly spotted those messages in dmesg |
| 16:44.34 | greycat | dumpe2fs being stuck in state D for over 120 seconds? sounds bad to me. |
| 16:44.54 | oxek | where can I find more about this? |
| 16:45.14 | oxek | greycat: what is state D? |
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| 16:45.43 | greycat | Device/Driver. The process issued a system call (asked the kernel to do something), and it's been waiting for that call to finish. |
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| 16:47.45 | misato | ok back |
| 16:48.55 | jelly | oxek: it's possible something else it wrong, not storage itself. what's the uptime of this system? dmesg -T shows an absolute timestamp that is sometimes correct. That will point to when this command was run. |
| 16:50.11 | greycat | but the simplest answer is "disk or controller or cable or motherboard, hardware problem" |
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| 16:50.52 | oxek | jelly: uptime is 16 hours |
| 16:51.04 | jelly | oxek: if this is a virtual machine, it is possible something outside the machine stopped I/O for a long while. "Bad RIP value" might be a symptom of honestly anything going corrupted inside the kernel, not necessarily fault of storage. |
| 16:51.11 | oxek | it's a real PC |
| 16:51.21 | jelly | oxek: is it a really new model or mainboard? |
| 16:51.32 | oxek | 5 year old dell |
| 16:51.51 | jelly | ok, so hardware support is either there or won't ever be there for Linux |
| 16:52.04 | oxek | Dell OptiPlex 3010 |
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| 16:52.42 | oxek | is there some place I can look for more info? |
| 16:52.45 | oxek | I want this machine to be reliable |
| 16:52.50 | oxek | hence I went with debian |
| 16:53.07 | jelly | you'll want to figure out what runs "dumpe2fs" about, say (242.808730 - 120 =) 2 minutes after boot |
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| 16:55.37 | jelly | misato: if you want to ask a question, go ahead and ask |
| 16:55.41 | jelly | !ask |
| 16:55.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:55.56 | jelly | no need to say hello and wait for a response |
| 16:56.13 | oxek | jelly: I don't have any cron/anacron or systemd timers setup for it |
| 16:56.20 | oxek | what could possibly start dumpe2fs? |
| 16:56.35 | jelly | no idea |
| 16:56.50 | swift110 | sup jelly |
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| 17:02.30 | SerajewelKS | oxek: it looks like dumpe2fs is running about every two minutes? or it's still running, and the kernel is just telling you it's stuck on I/O. |
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| 17:02.45 | SerajewelKS | oxek: pstree might be able to show you which process started it |
| 17:03.58 | SerajewelKS | i don't know, but i would speculate that maybe something probing for volumes might run dumpe2fs to test if a volume is an extN volume. |
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| 17:04.51 | SerajewelKS | but yeah, it being stuck for minutes on I/O points most likely to a disk problem. i just had a 3TB disk up and die yesterday. |
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| 17:05.37 | oxek | SerajewelKS: you worry me |
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| 17:06.14 | SerajewelKS | well this is why backups are a thing :) |
| 17:06.42 | SerajewelKS | as others pointed out it could be a problem with something else. the disk is _most likely_ but it doesn't prove that. |
| 17:06.54 | oxek | this is a fresh installation, so I am not worried about any data since there is none |
| 17:07.13 | SerajewelKS | oh well that's good at least. is there just one disk? |
| 17:07.21 | SerajewelKS | is dumpe2fs still running? |
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| 17:07.38 | oxek | just one disk, disk temperature is fine, and smartctl does not show anything bad either |
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| 17:08.02 | SerajewelKS | smartctl didn't show anything the day before my 3TB disk just totally stopped responding to all commands either :) |
| 17:08.22 | SerajewelKS | oxek: what's "ps ax | grep dumpe2fs" say |
| 17:09.12 | oxek | 820 tty1 S+ 0:00 grep dumpe2fs |
| 17:09.20 | SerajewelKS | okay so it's not currently running |
| 17:09.25 | zumba_addict | towo`: the make bindeb-pkg is complete. Where can I find the deb files? |
| 17:09.39 | SerajewelKS | can you reboot the machine and check if it's running when it comes back up? |
| 17:09.41 | zumba_addict | it's not in the current directory I executed it |
| 17:09.56 | towo` | zumba_addict, in the parent directory |
| 17:10.01 | towo` | cd .. |
| 17:10.05 | zumba_addict | got it |
| 17:10.07 | towo` | you will see them |
| 17:10.22 | zumba_addict | ah cool, I see iit |
| 17:10.44 | zumba_addict | so just dpkg -i the 2 files? |
| 17:11.08 | towo` | sure |
| 17:11.12 | zumba_addict | cool |
| 17:11.18 | oxek | SerajewelKS: rebooted, dumpe2fs not running |
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| 17:11.41 | zumba_addict | it's currently running |
| 17:13.31 | zumba_addict | towo`: I encountered an error - https://pastebin.com/HZ1atv7m |
| 17:14.05 | zumba_addict | omg, no more space left |
| 17:14.07 | zumba_addict | LOL |
| 17:14.32 | towo` | zumba_addict, you haven't used make bindeb-pkg, you have used make deb-pkg? |
| 17:14.47 | towo` | you don't need any dbg package |
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| 17:15.14 | zumba_addict | I ran `make bindeb-pkg` earlier. I copied the command from your earlier instructions |
| 17:16.08 | zumba_addict | it's my first time today running `make bindeb-pkg` |
| 17:16.20 | towo` | nvm, don't install that dbg package |
| 17:16.38 | towo` | install the image and the header package |
| 17:16.50 | zumba_addict | using what command? |
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| 17:17.02 | towo` | dpkg -i? |
| 17:17.03 | dpkg | towo`: are you using Windows? |
| 17:17.38 | zumba_addict | that's what I ran earlier and it failed due to running out of space. I'll fix the space issue first |
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| 17:18.54 | zumba_addict | I only have these files, linux-image-5.3.13_5.3.13-1_amd64.deb and linux-image-5.3.13-dbg_5.3.13-1_amd64.deb. I don't have header package |
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| 17:19.21 | towo` | zumba_addict, then you have done anything wrong |
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| 17:19.35 | towo` | zumba_addict, i would start again clean |
| 17:19.50 | towo` | make distclean before do anything new |
| 17:19.54 | zumba_addict | got it |
| 17:19.55 | SerajewelKS | oxek: hmm. any messages in dmesg? |
| 17:20.15 | zumba_addict | oh I see 4 deb files |
| 17:20.22 | zumba_addict | let me pastebin it |
| 17:20.28 | oxek | SerajewelKS: nothing yet |
| 17:20.35 | oxek | i.e. nothing interesting |
| 17:20.37 | zumba_addict | i got confused since you only mentioned there will be 2 deb files |
| 17:21.07 | oxek | I don't like that this could have simply been a random occurence |
| 17:21.09 | zumba_addict | towo`: https://pastebin.com/wUvemTbm |
| 17:21.16 | zumba_addict | I think I'm in good shape |
| 17:21.21 | towo` | [17:37:19] <towo`> you will get 3 debs |
| 17:21.23 | zumba_addict | I'll install the header deb file first |
| 17:21.34 | zumba_addict | my bad |
| 17:21.59 | zumba_addict | which of my 4 deb files should I not install? |
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| 17:22.23 | towo` | the dbg and the libc |
| 17:22.30 | towo` | i sayed it earlyer |
| 17:22.35 | zumba_addict | oh sorry |
| 17:22.36 | towo` | install the image and headers |
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| 17:22.51 | zumba_addict | so these two, linux-image-5.3.13_5.3.13-1_amd64.deb and linux-headers-5.3.13_5.3.13-1_amd64.deb |
| 17:23.04 | zumba_addict | looks like it. Doing it now |
| 17:23.43 | zumba_addict | is dbg debugging symbols? |
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| 17:24.05 | SerajewelKS | oxek: yeah that kind of stuff unsettles me too. there's nothing worse than an intermittent problem. |
| 17:24.13 | zumba_addict | header deb file installed successfully |
| 17:24.41 | zumba_addict | hmm, there's an error in the middle when installing the image but it completed. What do you think about this output? |
| 17:25.15 | zumba_addict | https://pastebin.com/1K11RK1m |
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| 17:27.10 | towo` | zumba_addict, you have an ancient version of virtualbox-dkms package installed, and propably in the wrong arch |
| 17:27.21 | towo` | paste dpkg -l | grep virtualbox |
| 17:27.24 | zumba_addict | l |
| 17:27.25 | zumba_addict | k |
| 17:27.59 | zumba_addict | https://pastebin.com/Vy91F3A3 |
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| 17:28.45 | towo` | zumba_addict, why you install vbox-geust packages on bare metal? |
| 17:28.59 | towo` | purge that crap |
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| 17:29.02 | jelly | zumba_addict: which debian release is installed, 9 or 10 or something? |
| 17:29.29 | zumba_addict | i think i installed vbox-guest to get a better resolution |
| 17:29.31 | zumba_addict | debian 9 |
| 17:29.36 | zumba_addict | it's a year old |
| 17:29.59 | towo` | you are inside a vm? |
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| 17:30.02 | zumba_addict | yes |
| 17:30.13 | zumba_addict | I'm running it via VirtualBox |
| 17:30.14 | towo` | and why you do not tell that? |
| 17:30.24 | jelly | noone asked? |
| 17:30.25 | zumba_addict | oh, I wasn't aware |
| 17:30.34 | towo` | then the other question is, why you install virtualbox inside vbox? |
| 17:30.47 | zumba_addict | i didn't |
| 17:30.54 | zumba_addict | only guest |
| 17:31.09 | zumba_addict | ah maybe when I install kubernetes cluster |
| 17:31.12 | zumba_addict | installed |
| 17:31.26 | towo` | and and virtualbox-guest-foo won't compile against kernel 5.3.x |
| 17:31.29 | jelly | zumba_addict: virtualbox-dkms and virtualbox are packages for vbox host |
| 17:31.29 | karlpinc | zumba_addict: (I'm not paying attention so this might not actually help, but if you're having problems it never hurts to upgrade to the latest software to see if the problems go away. In your case that means upgrading to debian 10. Read the instructions in the release notes!) |
| 17:31.33 | zumba_addict | I'm not sure what I did. I've been playing with this vm a lot |
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| 17:32.17 | zumba_addict | karlpinc: I don't have any issues right now. I'm just playing with a new kernel and how it's done these days |
| 17:32.28 | zumba_addict | got it towo` |
| 17:32.37 | jelly | you can remove the host-relevant packages to make their issues go away |
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| 17:32.48 | zumba_addict | the 2 you mentioned? |
| 17:33.08 | jelly | yes |
| 17:33.30 | zumba_addict | then also remove latest kernel image i installed and reinstall it? |
| 17:33.30 | jelly | and virtualbox-qt probably |
| 17:33.34 | zumba_addict | k |
| 17:33.36 | jelly | zumba_addict: no need to. |
| 17:33.41 | zumba_addict | k |
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| 17:34.44 | zumba_addict | successfully removed |
| 17:34.50 | zumba_addict | what's next? |
| 17:35.05 | jelly | you will however need newer guest-relevant vbox dkms packages that work with your new kernel version, to get full functionality |
| 17:35.15 | zumba_addict | cool |
| 17:35.23 | zumba_addict | so for now, this should boot up fine. Correct? |
| 17:35.27 | jelly | has no idea where to get those from |
| 17:35.39 | zumba_addict | it's ok. I don't need the gui |
| 17:35.44 | jelly | it should boot up yeah |
| 17:35.46 | zumba_addict | i always ssh to this |
| 17:35.47 | zumba_addict | cool |
| 17:35.51 | zumba_addict | let me try it now :) |
| 17:36.00 | jelly | assuming your .config wasn't completely messed up :-) |
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| 17:36.18 | zumba_addict | nope :) |
| 17:36.31 | zumba_addict | I copied it from the original one |
| 17:37.05 | zumba_addict | I can always pick the first image from the menu if in case the new image kernel panics |
| 17:37.34 | zumba_addict | hmm, it didn't add a new menu |
| 17:37.48 | zumba_addict | I still see the original me nu |
| 17:38.11 | zumba_addict | oh, I see it, lol |
| 17:38.18 | zumba_addict | I have to go inside Advance menu |
| 17:38.30 | greycat | yes, that's how Debian does it in the last few releases |
| 17:38.40 | zumba_addict | it booted up fine :D |
| 17:38.44 | zumba_addict | I like this a lot! |
| 17:38.52 | zumba_addict | well done Debian devs |
| 17:39.15 | zumba_addict | Linux debian 5.3.13 #1 SMP Wed Nov 27 02:42:17 CST 2019 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:39.19 | zumba_addict | neat! |
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| 17:39.44 | zumba_addict | I wanted to play with eBPF |
| 17:40.16 | zumba_addict | I wasn't sure if it was compiled in the previous image I was using but I was thinking it did since I saw it in the .config file |
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| 17:50.29 | vlanx | Hello, I 'm running Debian 9.11 and I'd like to upgrade PHP to 7.2.24, instead after a apt-get upgrade I'm still stuck to 7.2.7 |
| 17:50.35 | vlanx | what do I have to do? |
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| 17:52.37 | zumba_addict | btw, I want to see where all those menuentry got inserted. I don't see it in /etc/default/grub |
| 17:52.54 | greycat | /etc/grub.d/ |
| 17:52.58 | zumba_addict | k |
| 17:53.02 | towo` | no |
| 17:53.07 | sysadmin42_bofh | Hi everyone. They gave me "a disk that was on a RAID" (don't know what type -- but it was probably a hardware RAID). How likely is that I can access the filesystem of this disk (e.g. via mount or dd)? What it depends on? |
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| 17:58.39 | SerajewelKS | vlanx: PHP 7.2 is not in debian. where are you getting it? |
| 17:58.42 | SerajewelKS | ,v php |
| 17:58.43 | judd | Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; bullseye: 2:7.3+69; buster: 2:7.3+69; sid: 2:7.3+69 |
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| 17:58.59 | SerajewelKS | vlanx: debian 9 has 7.0 and debian 10 has 7.3 |
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| 17:59.22 | greycat | clearly from some third party repository |
| 17:59.33 | vlanx | SerajewelKS: actrually I forgot to type dist-upgrade. Now I'm at 7.2.24 with Debian 9.11 |
| 17:59.41 | SerajewelKS | !bat |
| 17:59.42 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 17:59.43 | SerajewelKS | vlanx: ^ |
| 17:59.50 | SerajewelKS | greycat: shh, i'm giving them rope |
| 18:01.02 | SerajewelKS | vlanx: in particular, "apt-cache policy php" would be nice to see |
| 18:01.16 | CryptoHackz | hi everyone.... I'm still on Debian 9.x and I'm having a difficult time upgrading to Debian 10.. its giving me a lot of broken package alerts when i select any one of the software to upgrade.... |
| 18:01.44 | SerajewelKS | CryptoHackz: you can't upgrade just some packages. they're interdependent. |
| 18:01.53 | SerajewelKS | CryptoHackz: how are you trying to "select software to upgrade?" |
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| 18:02.18 | vlanx | SerajewelKS too late now? |
| 18:02.23 | SerajewelKS | to put it another way, if you try to upgrade something that needs a newer libc, then everything that needs the older libc is going to break |
| 18:02.30 | SerajewelKS | vlanx: ? |
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| 18:02.42 | vlanx | do you want me to type it now? |
| 18:02.50 | SerajewelKS | vlanx: paste.debian.net |
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| 18:03.32 | jhutchins_wk | sysadmin42_bofh: Unlikely, especially if it was hardware raid. |
| 18:04.03 | jhutchins_wk | sysadmin42_bofh: You would need the same hardware and drivers as the RAID. |
| 18:04.15 | CryptoHackz | I'm was doing the apt update and then and then apt dist-upgrade.... but it started giving me same errors so I thought i would do it one by one.... but its the same issue... |
| 18:04.22 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: actually hmm... maybe gpart could locate the volume, if it was raid1? |
| 18:04.53 | vlanx | SerajewelKS: http://paste.debian.net/1118284 |
| 18:05.15 | SerajewelKS | CryptoHackz: try "apt-get upgrade" before you attempt the dist-upgrade. this will upgrade everything that does NOT require stuff to be removed. |
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| 18:05.38 | SerajewelKS | CryptoHackz: in particular, you're likely to see some packages need to be uninstalled due to changes like libcurl3 -> libcurl4 in buster |
| 18:05.38 | greycat | better still, try actually reading the release notes and the NewInBuster wiki page and so on |
| 18:05.44 | SerajewelKS | also that |
| 18:05.45 | sysadmin42_bofh | jhutchins_wk, Thanks for the reply. So even if it's RAID 1 (data mirroring), I won't be able to access the filesystem of the disk? |
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| 18:06.38 | SerajewelKS | sysadmin42_bofh: if it's raid1 then the gpart tool might be able to locate the volume. if it's any other raid level then you're definitely SOL because you'd need at least one other disk anyway, regardless of whether it was hardware or software raid. |
| 18:06.39 | CryptoHackz | SerajewelKS: okay... I'll do that.... I'm also reading up on https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-upgrade-debian-9-stretch-to-debian-10-buster I don't know if this will help... but I'll try your way first |
| 18:06.53 | SerajewelKS | CryptoHackz: use the official release notes, not a random guide |
| 18:07.02 | SerajewelKS | CryptoHackz: there's an enitre section in the release notes about upgrading |
| 18:07.04 | greycat | dpkg, stretch->buster |
| 18:07.04 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove stable-specific lines like stretch-backports. apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
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| 18:07.39 | CryptoHackz | okay... I'll go to the release notes and read up |
| 18:08.04 | SerajewelKS | vlanx: okay so you're using sury. at least that's a somewhat sane repo. what does "apt-cache policy php7.2-common" say? |
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| 18:08.33 | greycat | how does someone add the sury repositories to their system and not KNOW they've done it... |
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| 18:09.03 | SerajewelKS | one of the partners at my company does stuff on the servers all the time and forgets |
| 18:09.18 | SerajewelKS | it could also be a system inherited from some other sysadmin *shrug* |
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| 18:09.58 | SerajewelKS | he made a frakendebian out of one of our servers but he's the sysadmin of record so i just look the other way. he denies adding the extra repositories but nobody else would have been in that server. |
| 18:09.58 | vlanx | SerajewelKS: http://paste.debian.net/1118286/ |
| 18:10.16 | CryptoHackz | SerajewelKS: I tried your method and its gave me the following message: https://paste.debian.net/1118285/ |
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| 18:10.46 | SerajewelKS | vlanx: so everything looks fine then? you're at 7.2.24 according to that. |
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| 18:11.39 | vlanx | SerajewelKS: seems fine, yes. But according to you guys should I move to Debian 10 with php 7.3.x ? |
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| 18:13.06 | SerajewelKS | vlanx: well the sury repo is maintained by one of the people who maintains the debian PHP packages. or the team itself, i don't recall. either way, it's one of the few repositories you can add to debian without everyone here (rightly) refusing to help. |
| 18:13.41 | SerajewelKS | vlanx: at some point you should upgrade to debian 10 even if you stick with php 7.2. but 9 will be supported for some time still. |
| 18:13.47 | greycat | yeah, it has the coveted "doesn't completely suck" power |
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| 18:14.12 | vlanx | SerajewelKS: I can't find mention of this sury repo in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:14.19 | greycat | try sources.list.d/ |
| 18:14.20 | SerajewelKS | vlanx: check /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 18:14.21 | vlanx | do I have to look somewhere else? |
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| 18:14.38 | greycat | (Again, how does someone ADD a repo and not KNOW it?) |
| 18:14.48 | SerajewelKS | vlanx: did you set up this system or did someone else? |
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| 18:14.57 | SerajewelKS | vlanx: is there another sysadmin who can access this server? |
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| 18:15.53 | SerajewelKS | greycat: i mean i forgot for almost four years that i'm still running a mumble server |
| 18:15.54 | jelly | greycat: it can be easy sometimes. dpkg -i google-chrome-stable_foo_amd64.deb # now you have a new trusted repo, yayyyy |
| 18:15.54 | revolutionary | how to install Windows10, Debian, Kali and Linux Mint? 4 OS. Is this possible? Can you tell the sequence? Which one should i install first and the others? |
| 18:16.30 | jelly | revolutionary: virtual machines are nice. Multiboot is mehhh. |
| 18:16.41 | SerajewelKS | revolutionary: if you want to be sane, pick one of those and put the others in VMs |
| 18:16.46 | revolutionary | jelly: I wanna use multiboot. Is this possible? |
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| 18:16.55 | jelly | everything is possible, sure |
| 18:17.06 | vlanx | sorry guys, the repo was indeed present in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/php.list |
| 18:17.09 | SerajewelKS | possible? yes. practical? ehhhh |
| 18:17.10 | revolutionary | i don't want to use VM |
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| 18:17.18 | CryptoHackz | @SerajewelKS: I tried your method and its gave me the following message: https://paste.debian.net/1118285/ |
| 18:17.18 | jelly | how HARD it is to set up and maintain, is a different question |
| 18:17.19 | vlanx | I am not sure who did this |
| 18:17.30 | revolutionary | which one should install first? Windows? |
| 18:17.33 | greycat | vlanx: the timestamps on the file/dir may be a hint |
| 18:17.35 | jelly | revolutionary: why not VM? |
| 18:18.04 | SerajewelKS | CryptoHackz: the error from apt-get update should probably be corrected before you worry about upgrading |
| 18:18.11 | revolutionary | jelly: My PC isn't good enough for running 4 VMs |
| 18:18.22 | vlanx | greycat more than a year ago. should I remove it and upgrade to Debian 10 ? |
| 18:18.27 | jelly | revolutionary: you don't need to have them all running all the time. |
| 18:18.31 | SerajewelKS | CryptoHackz: but i've not seen that specific error before. however, i note you have the microsoft vscode repository. you might want to comment that out AND uninstall vscode before you do anything with upgrading. |
| 18:18.37 | greycat | vlanx: I'm not a PHP guru. I can't make that decision. |
| 18:18.55 | greycat | the primary question would be whether you have something that will not work under php 7.3 |
| 18:19.02 | SerajewelKS | vlanx: https://www.php.net/supported-versions.php |
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| 18:19.17 | CryptoHackz | okay... I'll do that ya you're right... I do have that and I'll go head with your suggestions... thank you. |
| 18:19.34 | jelly | revolutionary: from a maintenance standpoint, having one main OS and everything else in VMs is much easier than rebooting to switch and taking care of conflicting boot loaders. |
| 18:19.41 | SerajewelKS | vlanx: 7.2 gets security updates until november 2020. you should upgrade to a newer PHP version before then, if your software will run on it. |
| 18:20.37 | SerajewelKS | revolutionary: using VMs also makes it easier to scrap one install that you no longer need and reclaim the space. if you do a bare install, then you'll have a bunch of partitions you have to resize offline and that's no fun. |
| 18:20.41 | vlanx | SerajewelKS how can I verify which is the latest php 7.3 version for the official Debian Buster repo? |
| 18:20.43 | SerajewelKS | whereas VM disks are just files you can delete |
| 18:20.48 | jelly | ,v php7.3 |
| 18:20.50 | judd | Package: php7.3 on amd64 -- bullseye: 7.3.10-1; buster: 7.3.11-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 7.3.11-1~deb10u1; sid: 7.3.11-1~deb10u1 |
| 18:21.00 | SerajewelKS | jelly: damn it i was typing that |
| 18:21.06 | jelly | !pal SerajewelKS |
| 18:21.07 | dpkg | points at SerajewelKS and laughs hysterically |
| 18:21.51 | vlanx | Apparently I need 7.3.11, I shall wait until that's out... :( |
| 18:21.55 | SerajewelKS | i mean i guess since 3 of the OSes are linux, you could use LVM across all of them, but still |
| 18:21.57 | jelly | it's out. |
| 18:22.15 | vlanx | oh sorry I just read the first part |
| 18:22.19 | SerajewelKS | vlanx: "buster: 7.3.11-1~deb10u1" |
| 18:22.44 | jelly | buster: 7.3.11-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 7.3.11-1~deb10u1 # both are official repos for Debian 10 and you need to have them both enabled |
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| 18:22.52 | SerajewelKS | we still have production stuff on PHP 5.3 :( |
| 18:22.59 | greycat | bullseye (testing) has an OLDER version than buster (stable), because testing sucks that way |
| 18:23.10 | jelly | SerajewelKS: I still have wheezy systems with squeeze php. |
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| 18:39.45 | swift110 | im good donzae what ya up to |
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| 18:50.01 | zumba_addict | hey folks, my friend gave me a server machine last year. It looks beefy but I'm not sure if it's fast. Maybe it's should be fine. It's about 100lbs in weight. It's like 3u. Anyways, cpu is PowerPC. Will Debian work on it? |
| 18:50.25 | greycat | !powerpc |
| 18:50.25 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <macsound>, <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>, <ppc64>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:51.42 | Osprey_Jr | Which script in Debian 10 with Gnome gets executed after logging in again (from screensaver or power saver)? I would like to hook a script to it. |
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| 18:59.19 | zumba_addict | thank you |
| 18:59.33 | zumba_addict | so this PowerPC is very old |
| 18:59.36 | zumba_addict | so this PowerPC is very old? |
| 19:00.03 | greycat | Do you have a model number? |
| 19:00.14 | zumba_addict | give me few |
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| 19:09.12 | n4dir | didn't debian give up on powerpc's recently? i sure updated old-stable to unstable, but didn't use it much since. |
| 19:09.32 | greycat | It's very likely an unsupported arch at this point. |
| 19:09.48 | n4dir | thats what i recall, but as said am not sure. |
| 19:10.37 | zumba_addict | greycat: I just saw the year on one of the stickers, it's from 2007 :( |
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| 19:12.19 | zumba_addict | based from one of the serial or number I got, it's a IBM XSERIES 3950 |
| 19:12.38 | zumba_addict | https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=an&subtype=ca&appname=gpateam&supplier=897&letternum=ENUS106-670 |
| 19:12.58 | n4dir | i sure would log in the mentioned irc channel #debianppc and ask. they come with their own problems. But you have to be patient. |
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| 19:13.10 | zumba_addict | got it |
| 19:13.14 | greycat | that web page has a Xeon, not a PowerPC |
| 19:13.17 | n4dir | ask there *too*, sorry |
| 19:13.57 | jhutchins_wk | Is IBM still making PPC systems? I know Apple isn't. |
| 19:14.11 | greycat | given that it's actually a Xeon (amd64), Debian will probably work on it |
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| 19:16.05 | zumba_addict | oh |
| 19:16.20 | zumba_addict | server image looks very similar |
| 19:16.45 | zumba_addict | but yeah, I didn't notice the xeon |
| 19:17.30 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: very much so, POWER9 is rather new |
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| 19:18.53 | zumba_addict | I also couldn't find any model on the casing |
| 19:19.30 | greycat | well, give it a shot and see what happens |
| 19:20.14 | jelly | zumba_addict: with IBM, you want to find out the "machine type" not the "model" |
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| 19:21.36 | zumba_addict | on the chip? it says 405GP GE14 IBM25PPC405GP - 3BE200C |
| 19:21.44 | jelly | it's either just a 4 digit number or 4-3 digits and numbers in XXXX-YYY form |
| 19:21.51 | CombatVet | how effective is hd-idle for nas usee? |
| 19:21.55 | jelly | on the chassis |
| 19:22.37 | zumba_addict | this is the only sticker I see - yk10ln76L1HE |
| 19:22.49 | jelly | 3BE200C does bring results, but for the CPU board itself not the whole machine |
| 19:23.50 | zumba_addict | H18583r |
| 19:23.59 | Zathras | why not boot it from a live mediumand read dmidecode |
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| 19:24.30 | zumba_addict | I should do that |
| 19:24.34 | Zathras | also consider the noise and power consumption and decide if it is worth your trouble |
| 19:24.41 | zumba_addict | that's true |
| 19:25.24 | zumba_addict | i'm actually interested in buying 3 or 4 RaspberryPI4 for fun. I can install Debian on it right? |
| 19:25.38 | jelly | zumba_addict: is the whole box similar to these? https://www.google.com/search?q=ibm+power+P720&source=lnms&tbm=isch |
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| 19:26.09 | zumba_addict | somewhat close but I'll take a pic |
| 19:26.17 | zumba_addict | it's got 6 hot swappable hdds |
| 19:26.19 | zumba_addict | one sec |
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| 19:26.57 | Zathras | pi4 consumes much more power (and produces heath) compared to other Pis. Consider if you need the extra power |
| 19:27.11 | Zathras | you can Raspbian on them |
| 19:27.16 | Zathras | *can run |
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| 19:27.40 | greycat | (and Raspbian has its own support channel, not this one) |
| 19:27.41 | jelly | you can run raspbian on ANY r.pi. But you can probably run actual Debian on 3 and 4. |
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| 19:30.51 | zumba_addict | cool |
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| 19:31.17 | zumba_addict | I wanted to make it a cluster similar to what i've seen on the web |
| 19:31.23 | zumba_addict | what tool is required for that? |
| 19:31.26 | zumba_addict | uploading pic |
| 19:32.51 | jelly | "what tool is required to make a cluster" is similar to "what tool is required to make a chair" |
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| 19:35.52 | jhutchins_wk | zumba_addict: I would suggest buying one and learning it's quirks. |
| 19:35.58 | jelly | it's more than one tool, and more than a single skill required. Then there are rocking chairs, massage chairs, electric chairs |
| 19:36.47 | jelly | has not heard of N+1 redundant chairs but there's probably time |
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| 19:38.47 | zumba_addict | here it is - https://imgur.com/a/2vwtIV1 |
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| 19:40.53 | CryptoHackz | I removed all and left only the core debian 9 repo in source.list... but the damn repo microsoft repo still exists (it:5 http://packages.microsoft.com/repos/vscode stable InRelease) where else might it also be located? |
| 19:41.10 | greycat | sources.list.d/ |
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| 19:48.56 | panzeroceania | Would this be the best place for Debian support questions? |
| 19:49.12 | panzeroceania | Specifically network related? |
| 19:50.10 | Zathras | panzeroceania, just ask |
| 19:50.53 | panzeroceania | I'm connected to my modem via cat6 ethernet cable but am unable to successfully ping any site on the internet |
| 19:50.56 | Zathras | Is it possible to determine the DNS provider of a host? |
| 19:51.34 | greycat | You can get the nameserver addresses of a domain. |
| 19:51.42 | greycat | What are you actually asking for? |
| 19:52.27 | panzeroceania | greycat: unable to connect to the internet |
| 19:52.46 | panzeroceania | Zathras: cat /etc/resolve.conf |
| 19:53.01 | Zathras | the python lexicon package allows API access to certain DNS provider (about 30 or so) and I wonder if I could check upfront if a host could be managed through it |
| 19:53.39 | Zathras | panzeroceania, thanks, but that is for your localhost, not so much for a host on the net |
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| 19:53.48 | panzeroceania | Ah |
| 19:53.53 | Zathras | panzeroceania, can you access the modem? |
| 19:54.07 | Zathras | greycat, how can I resolve that? |
| 19:54.45 | panzeroceania | Zathras: I'm not sure, it's an Arris SB8200 |
| 19:54.54 | greycat | Zathras: you haven't made any sense yet. |
| 19:55.59 | panzeroceania | Zathras: I have physical access if that's what you mean |
| 19:56.54 | Zathras | greycat, say in a panel one have hosts/domains listed which you monitor or want to manage. I would like to implement a check if I could manage them through this library or not. Ability depends on DNS hoster and if that DNS hoster is supported by the lib or not |
| 19:57.05 | greycat | "a panel" |
| 19:57.09 | greycat | gods |
| 19:57.27 | Zathras | panzeroceania, can you ping and/or browse the modem? |
| 19:58.37 | greycat | "I bought a domain through foo provider, but I don't know that because I've lobotomized myself. But the remaining half of my brain retains just enough knowledge to run this panel thing. Now I'd like to reverse engineer what provider I am paying money to every year, just from the panel." |
| 19:58.59 | Zathras | correct ;-) |
| 19:59.00 | greycat | "And then I'd like to hook up a WHOLE SEPARATE LAYER which will be a second panel on top of the provider's panel. Because reasons." |
| 19:59.37 | dka | where is the wwan configuration network file ? |
| 19:59.47 | panzeroceania | Zathras: I wouldn't know what to ping |
| 20:00.15 | Zathras | panzeroceania, did you get an IP-address from the modem? |
| 20:01.00 | panzeroceania | Zathras: not that I'm aware of, no |
| 20:01.33 | Zathras | panzeroceania, if no IP from modem --> no route to modem --> no route to internet |
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| 20:01.57 | panzeroceania | Zathras: how would I query the modem for an IP address |
| 20:02.17 | Zathras | normally that would be provided through DHCP |
| 20:02.57 | panzeroceania | I am following you, but I do not know what input is required for the desired output |
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| 20:04.23 | panzeroceania | Zathras: how could a validate what connection the computer is or is not making |
| 20:04.27 | Zathras | panzeroceania, what are you running? |
| 20:04.57 | panzeroceania | Netrunner OS, it's Debian 10 with KDE |
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| 20:05.11 | panzeroceania | Was working previous |
| 20:05.25 | Zathras | panzeroceania, no, it is something derived from Debian, but not Debian |
| 20:05.34 | panzeroceania | Correct |
| 20:05.39 | greycat | !netrunner |
| 20:05.39 | dpkg | Netrunner is an operating system <based on Debian> Testing. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.netrunner.com/ |
| 20:06.04 | panzeroceania | Understand |
| 20:06.23 | panzeroceania | Thanks for your time |
| 20:07.19 | panzeroceania | If needed I can wipe with Debian 10 stable, if I have the save problem, I'll come back |
| 20:07.32 | Zathras | np. ok |
| 20:07.56 | Zathras | dka, you are looking for wpa_supplicant ? |
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| 20:11.02 | greycat | Zathras: Let's say one of your domains that you are paying for, every year, is debian.org. You could type "whois debian.org" and read the resulting output. It says, "Registrar: Gandi SAS". Maybe that will refresh your memory and remind you of who you keep paying money to. |
| 20:11.15 | Zathras | panzeroceania, you can always try to reboot the modem |
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| 20:11.18 | dka | What is the soft to send sms on linux? |
| 20:11.24 | dka | I forgot wher I have written my WWAN conf |
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| 20:12.29 | Zathras | greycat, quite often the domain registar and the DNS hoster are the same, but not always, hence my asking |
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| 20:12.49 | Stoot | hello, why would smartctl not work when disks are used for KVM ? so this on the host itself ? Someone tells me but I doubt this is the case |
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| 20:13.05 | panzeroceania | Zathras: have tried rebooting the modem several times. Currently Debian 10.2.0 netinstall disc is in my drive and loaded up |
| 20:13.44 | panzeroceania | Network autoconfiguration failed |
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| 20:14.49 | panzeroceania | Your network is probably not using the DHCP protocol. Alternatively, the DHCP server may be slow or some network hardware is not working properly |
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| 20:15.16 | panzeroceania | Zathras: greycat I'm now having Debian problems, any ideas? |
| 20:15.25 | Zathras | panzeroceania, worse, your ISP service is down (due to maintenance or not) |
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| 20:15.49 | Zathras | not saying that is true but it is a possibility |
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| 20:17.17 | Zathras | I have had that once in an old building. Mice had eaten the UTP cable and after replacing it things did not work due to an ISP blackout.... Lovely time flush |
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| 20:21.09 | FellowTraveller | hello |
| 20:21.22 | FellowTraveller | how would you use linux to recover data lost from vmfs when vmware support tells it's nothing can be done? |
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| 20:39.26 | panzeroceania | Zathras: so my desktop is connected directly into port 1 of my modem, I have a dec630 firewall connected to port 2 of the modem, and a laptop connected to the firewall via cat6 |
| 20:39.54 | panzeroceania | Zathras: the laptop can access the internet just fine, but the desktop cannot currently |
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| 20:42.19 | whislock | FellowTraveller: check out 'vmfs-tools'. If vmware says you're toast, though, you're most likely toast. |
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| 20:49.05 | Zathras | panzeroceania, what if you connect the desktop to the fw? |
| 20:49.56 | Zathras | maybe you can check using the laptop what the logs of the fw and the modem are |
| 20:50.48 | whislock | panzeroceania: Does your ISP give out multiple IP addresses? |
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| 20:54.49 | panzeroceania | whislock: unknown |
| 20:55.35 | whislock | Some don't. If yours is one, then your firewall has claimed that IP. |
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| 20:56.34 | panzeroceania | whislock: makes sense, thanks for the insight, need to look into getting a switch |
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| 21:00.19 | mutante | ,v libapache2-mod-perl2 |
| 21:00.20 | judd | Package: libapache2-mod-perl2 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.0.9~1624218-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.0.9~1624218-2+deb8u3; stretch: 2.0.10-2+deb9u1; buster: 2.0.10-3; bullseye: 2.0.11-1; sid: 2.0.11-1 |
| 21:01.14 | Zathras | panzeroceania, if the fw has an IP it probably has a DHCP server running as well. Hence maybe the modem is in bridge-mode or has DHCP disabled. That is why I suggested to connect the desktop to the fw to see if that helps |
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| 21:02.14 | whislock | Connecting the desktop to the firewall won't tell you that. All it will tell you is what you already know: the firewall has an IP and it's passing traffic to clients behind the firewall. |
| 21:02.15 | Zathras | however the settings as well as (un)successful connections should show up in the logs of fw and modem, so use your laptop to check |
| 21:02.45 | Zathras | whislock, it will show nothing is wrong with the client. |
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| 21:02.53 | Zathras | or not |
| 21:03.23 | whislock | panzeroceania: What's the desktop's current IP address? |
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| 21:11.42 | panzeroceania | whislock: what's the best way to check? ip -4 r ? |
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| 21:13.36 | karlpinc | panzeroceania: ip addr is what I always use. |
| 21:14.23 | panzeroceania | karlpinc: thanks |
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| 21:28.23 | panzeroceania | whislock: looks like your hypothesis was correct |
| 21:28.32 | panzeroceania | The device had no up address |
| 21:29.02 | panzeroceania | When I changed the configuration where only one device was connected to the modem, it solved the problem |
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| 21:47.17 | notconnected | how would you fully backup a linux system, like the whole drive something similar to windows' 'create system image' that you can restore from using a repair disc? i was thinking using dd with a live cd, but i dont know how to recover from that. |
| 21:47.45 | CryptoHackz | upgraded my debian 9 to version 10 picked just the core debian repo and deleted the rest... |
| 21:47.51 | CryptoHackz | thank you for all the help |
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| 21:48.13 | CryptoHackz | now I'm replacing the debian 9 repo list with debian 10 |
| 21:48.32 | dvs | notconnected, clonezilla |
| 21:48.56 | jhutchins | notconnected: A full image bakup can be made by booting to a live CD and using dd or clonezilla. |
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| 21:49.21 | jhutchins | notconnected: There is a bootable clonezilla iso image. |
| 21:49.30 | notconnected | does that take care of the filesystem and partitions? |
| 21:50.03 | jhutchins | notconnected: Yes, it's the same as making an iso image from a CD. |
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| 21:50.44 | notconnected | i see thanks |
| 21:50.56 | jhutchins | notconnected: You write the image to a raw device and it becomes a copy of the original. |
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| 21:51.27 | notconnected | makes sense |
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| 21:55.42 | jaakkos | notconnected: how to recover with dd image? Well, just reverse the dd if= and of= parameters and you're done |
| 21:56.33 | notconnected | but dont you have to redo your partitions prior to writing to the new hdd? |
| 21:56.44 | jhutchins | notconnected: Nope. |
| 21:57.05 | jhutchins | notconnected: It's a raw write. Creates whatever partitions were copied. |
| 21:57.18 | jaakkos | Not if you dd the entire drive, with partitions. It gets more tricky if you dd a single partition. |
| 21:58.03 | jhutchins | notconnected: Note that you do the original image with the raw device: if=/dev/sda of=<target file> |
| 21:58.30 | jaakkos | notconnected: but I recommend making a separation of your data and the surrounding system, and only back up your data |
| 21:58.32 | jhutchins | notconnected: You can also image a single partition, but restoring that is harder. |
| 21:58.36 | notconnected | what about the the new hdds filesystem? |
| 21:59.09 | jhutchins | notconnected: We can assume that there's nothing on the new drive. You write the image to it, that image becomes the filesystem. |
| 21:59.55 | notconnected | wait, cant dd a whole drive if its currently in use correct? meaning i have to use a live cd? |
| 21:59.59 | jhutchins | notconnected: This is true even if there is already a filesystem on the drive, so one needs to be careful. Whatever's there will be replaced. |
| 22:00.13 | greycat | It becomes the partition table *and* all of the file systems and swap space and everything. |
| 22:00.29 | jaakkos | notconnected: you said yourself you use a live CD |
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| 22:00.55 | jaakkos | notconnected: and yeah you can't do that when the backed-up system is running |
| 22:00.55 | jhutchins | notconnected: You can write the image to a drive that is as large or larger, but you will have to take extra steps to use a bigger space. The disk will initally only have as much space as the original. |
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| 22:03.01 | notconnected | ok, correct me if im wrong, so if i clone a whole drive, lets say 256gb and copy it to a new drive (1tb), it will only show 256gb and the rest is unpartitioned? |
| 22:03.23 | jaakkos | Yes |
| 22:03.27 | jhutchins | notconnected: Correct. |
| 22:03.44 | notconnected | what would be the next step to use the rest of the drive? |
| 22:04.41 | jaakkos | notconnected: you should really consider if dd backups is what you really want. If you have a good separation of data and operating system, you can just back up your data and don't care if the OS crashes - you just reinstall it |
| 22:05.14 | jaakkos | For configurations that have been modified, you could use tools like stow and ansible to re-configure the system |
| 22:05.23 | jaakkos | (and keep those modified configs as part of your data) |
| 22:06.11 | notconnected | im not really comfortable with fdisk and dd yet, i guess i should stick with clonezilla |
| 22:06.25 | notconnected | and go from there |
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| 22:07.03 | jaakkos | notconnected: you would use a tool like fdisk or (I'd recommend) gparted to resize partitions (and actually fix the partition table if it was GPT... GPT has a partition table copy at the end of disk) |
| 22:08.16 | jaakkos | And then note that you can only resize the *last* partition anyway, so if that's not the one you want to resize, you're even more out of luck, you gotta destroy partitions in front of the one you want to resize |
| 22:08.22 | jaakkos | Unless you used LVM that you need to learn how to use |
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| 22:09.11 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 22:09.50 | notconnected | ok, last question, is it possible to merge unused partition with the rest? |
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| 22:10.09 | notconnected | i need to spend more time reading on this lol |
| 22:10.17 | notconnected | i thought i had it |
| 22:10.32 | jaakkos | notconnected: yes but *only* if the unused partition was in front of (following) the to-be-grown partition |
| 22:10.41 | jaakkos | (notconnected: ... or, if you used LVM, ZFS or btrfs) |
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| 22:11.07 | notconnected | ok |
| 22:11.42 | notconnected | well thanks for your time, i will give it a try and see what happens |
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| 22:14.36 | jhutchins | I wouldn't resize with fdisk. There's an e2fsgrow tool. |
| 22:14.40 | tobiasBora | I'm trying to use x11vnc + some viewer (like tigervnc for example, or krdc), but as soon as I enable -ssl, it fails with 27/11/2019 23:04:54 SSL: accept_openssl: cookie from ssl_helper[16607] FAILED. 0 |
| 22:14.41 | DJDan | I am after a simple docker strictly for mail sending (and possibly mail receiving with accounts in the near future) that only requires 500meg of ram or less. MailU/Postfix ( https://hub.docker.com/r/mailu/postfix ) would of been ideal but it requires 1-2gb of ram apparently. Does anyone have any suggestions of something that doesnt take up too much ram that I can use for sending (and possibly receiving with accounts eventually)? Is there any other decen |
| 22:14.41 | DJDan | t postfix dockers? or something |
| 22:16.26 | jhutchins | growe2fs |
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| 22:18.14 | jhutchins | DJDan: A private email server is a lot of work, and legitimately takes up a lot of ram. |
| 22:18.40 | livebrain | for alot of accounts |
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| 22:19.04 | livebrain | one or two accounts doesnt neeed alot of ram |
| 22:19.22 | dka | I am trying to use gammu, but I keep having error gammu --identify => Can not open specified file. |
| 22:20.03 | DJDan | jhutchins: whats growe2fs |
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| 22:20.53 | jhutchins | DJDan: For an earlier conversation, it allows you to increase an ext partition size |
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| 22:21.40 | DJDan | livebrain: this is mainly just for sending from wordpress, theres a few incoming mail aliases that i just wanna redirect to my gmail if possible too |
| 22:22.21 | fly_agaric | hello guys, I have a problem with a open source ticket system named otrs 6. It wants to fetch emails via imap over ssl port 993 but i guess it fails because of tls 1.2 not supported by my release of microsoft exchange 2010 server. |
| 22:22.30 | fly_agaric | how can i enforce tls 1.1 or 1.0? |
| 22:22.47 | fly_agaric | its all installed on debian 10 |
| 22:23.51 | jhutchins | So install debian on the mailserver. Problem solved. |
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| 22:24.40 | jhutchins | If otrs is fetching the mail, there should be tls configuration within it's config files. |
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| 22:34.45 | funnybananas | hello |
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| 22:38.00 | madprops | i heard you guys can make a deb for me, how true is that? :) |
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| 22:38.26 | madprops | or is making a package easy enough? |
| 22:38.40 | madprops | any templates or something i can use? |
| 22:39.19 | dka | why is debian constantly asking me password for another user? |
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| 22:40.54 | livebrain | madprops: |
| 22:41.01 | livebrain | https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
| 22:42.35 | DJDan | jhutchins: i already have debian buster 10. i need a docker for mail |
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| 22:45.16 | fly_agaric | otrs is using fetchmail but It does not seem to accept the changes. I can choose between SSL2 || SSL3 || TLS1 |
| 22:45.30 | fly_agaric | but if I choose TLS1 wireshark shows tls 1.2 |
| 22:45.39 | madprops | is making deb packages on ubuntu not a problem/ |
| 22:45.55 | madprops | not sure if it counts as not-debian |
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| 22:46.25 | l33th4xx0r | glguy sucks dongs |
| 22:46.30 | l33th4xx0r | lets doxx him off the net |
| 22:46.50 | l33th4xx0r | fucking zionist jew hippocrite sucks dicks and then bans ##pussy from the internet |
| 22:47.04 | l33th4xx0r | we can coordinate the whole operation from ##genitals |
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| 22:53.11 | dka | where does NetworkManager store sms received ? |
| 22:53.50 | dka | where does NetworkManager store sms received ? |
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| 22:54.47 | dka | where does modem manager gui store sms ? |
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| 23:06.17 | whislock | dka: sms? |
| 23:06.35 | whislock | !ops l33th4xx0r |
| 23:06.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: whislock complains about a problem (see above) |
| 23:07.19 | ZaZaGX | what? |
| 23:07.27 | l33th4xx0r | ZaZaGX: the freenode staffer glguy |
| 23:07.38 | l33th4xx0r | he is a eastern orthodox zionist piglet |
| 23:07.49 | l33th4xx0r | bans all things that express sexuality of any type |
| 23:07.55 | ZaZaGX | can he buy me a wife for black friday? |
| 23:08.00 | l33th4xx0r | so i created new channel ##genitals |
| 23:08.09 | oerheks | The smsd log file is incredibly useful here. It lives in /var/log/smstools/smsd.log |
| 23:08.11 | l33th4xx0r | and we will coordinate the doxxing of glguy from there |
| 23:08.33 | dka | I found |
| 23:09.51 | livebrain | l33th4xx0r that nick is hilarious lol |
| 23:09.53 | livebrain | are you 3 ? |
| 23:10.01 | dka | How can I send SMS from command line using my SIM card which is inserted within my Fibocom L850-GL modem ? (not with modem-manager-gui) |
| 23:10.03 | whislock | Can we stop interacting with the spammer, please? |
| 23:10.18 | l33th4xx0r | livebrain: are you on crack? |
| 23:10.26 | ZaZaGX | who is the spammer? |
| 23:10.34 | l33th4xx0r | whislock: affirmative. you are the soammer. |
| 23:10.35 | ZaZaGX | i can't tell |
| 23:10.51 | livebrain | whislock: sorry, i made a mistake :) |
| 23:11.12 | whislock | Zap. |
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| 23:14.57 | ZaZaGX | whoa |
| 23:15.02 | ZaZaGX | who K-Lined him? |
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| 23:16.08 | Mathisen | freenode staffer. he been spamming multiple channels |
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| 23:16.29 | B|ack0p | hi |
| 23:18.04 | ZaZaGX | oh ic |
| 23:18.32 | nvz | passes ZaZaGX an irn |
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| 23:18.59 | B|ack0p | when will xfce 14.04 be supported in debian? |
| 23:19.06 | nvz | ,v xfce |
| 23:19.07 | judd | No package named 'xfce' was found in amd64. |
| 23:19.11 | nvz | ,v xfce4 |
| 23:19.12 | judd | Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; buster: 4.12.5; bullseye: 4.14; sid: 4.14 |
| 23:19.19 | B|ack0p | huh |
| 23:19.31 | B|ack0p | which version is sid? |
| 23:19.33 | ZaZaGX | for irn i got Independent Radio News |
| 23:19.41 | B|ack0p | i thought buster is the latest debian |
| 23:19.52 | nvz | B|ack0p: 4.14 is in testing/unstable, stable has 4.12.5 |
| 23:20.12 | B|ack0p | yes but when will tests finish? |
| 23:20.24 | nvz | 14.04 is an ubuntu version |
| 23:20.45 | B|ack0p | so? |
| 23:20.53 | nvz | B|ack0p: two years from now probably.. roughly |
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| 23:21.19 | B|ack0p | ... |
| 23:21.20 | nvz | B|ack0p: so, its not an xfce version, its an ubuntu release version |
| 23:21.37 | Unit193 | I think he may have typo'd 4.14.. |
| 23:21.38 | B|ack0p | why debian is so slow about supporting latest kernel and packages.. |
| 23:21.53 | whislock | !sns |
| 23:21.53 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 23:21.55 | madprops | is making deb packages for non C binaries more troublesome? |
| 23:21.59 | B|ack0p | oh yea i mean 4.14 |
| 23:21.59 | whislock | B|ack0p: Because that's not the point. |
| 23:22.23 | B|ack0p | but xfce 4.14 has newer features as i read in their official website.. |
| 23:22.25 | nvz | dpkg, why debian? |
| 23:22.26 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
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| 23:22.32 | nvz | dpkg, social contract? |
| 23:22.32 | dpkg | The Debian Social Contract is the document that defines Debian's purpose, see http://www.debian.org/social_contract Summary: Debian is a 100% free software platform suitable for running all software. |
| 23:22.43 | whislock | B|ack0p: Then go find a distro that gives you shineys and not stability. |
| 23:22.55 | B|ack0p | i rely on debian |
| 23:22.59 | B|ack0p | that s not my case |
| 23:23.06 | mutante | then use testing |
| 23:23.11 | whislock | That is horrible advice. |
| 23:23.12 | B|ack0p | but xfce released 4.14 as stable.. why not debian |
| 23:23.13 | nvz | well for the last few releases, MATE has been being backported, but not xfce |
| 23:23.15 | B|ack0p | i just wanna understand |
| 23:23.28 | nvz | ,v mate |
| 23:23.29 | judd | No package named 'mate' was found in amd64. |
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| 23:23.30 | Unit193 | You could backport 4.14, but that'd be some fun to deal with. |
| 23:23.34 | whislock | B|ack0p: Debian isn't going to completely change everyone's DE in the middle of a release. That goes against the point of Debian. |
| 23:23.34 | nvz | ,v mate-panel |
| 23:23.35 | judd | Package: mate-panel on amd64 -- jessie: 1.8.1+dfsg1-3; stretch: 1.16.2-1; stretch-backports: 1.20.5-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.20.5-1; bullseye: 1.22.2-1; sid: 1.22.2-1 |
| 23:23.40 | ZaZaGX | go use Ubuntu 19.10 xfce |
| 23:23.43 | whislock | mutante: Don't blindly tell people to use testing. That's just moronic. |
| 23:23.56 | B|ack0p | i came here from ubuntu already.. |
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| 23:24.07 | wikifart | all hail bernie |
| 23:24.13 | ZaZaGX | is debian testing bad? i was going to try it |
| 23:24.14 | mutante | whislock: you literally just told him to use a distro that gives you shiny and not stability |
| 23:24.22 | B|ack0p | it s nice distro but i d like to learn about debian too |
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| 23:24.31 | whislock | mutante: "distro" is not "release." |
| 23:24.49 | whislock | mutante: Example: Xubuntu. That would be a distro. |
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| 23:25.17 | mutante | whislock: and you want to argue that Ubuntu isn't just using the Debian packages? |
| 23:25.32 | whislock | mutante: Given that they're not, it wouldn't be much of an argument. |
| 23:25.40 | whislock | mutante: Please stop being purposefully obtuse. |
| 23:26.21 | mutante | whislock: maybe focus on giving actual advice to the person asking |
| 23:26.34 | ZaZaGX | never heard of the word obtuse before |
| 23:26.43 | nvz | ZaZaGX: seriously? |
| 23:26.48 | whislock | mutante: I can help them and call you out on being an idiot at the same time. |
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| 23:26.55 | nvz | ZaZaGX: you never had a geometry course? |
| 23:26.56 | mutante | whislock: stop insulting me |
| 23:27.03 | BERNIE2020 | BERNIE FOR PRESIDENT 2020 |
| 23:27.06 | whislock | mutante: Then stop acting in a way deserving of insults. |
| 23:27.26 | mutante | whislock: no, that's not how that works. you don't get to attack people and then decide they deserve it |
| 23:27.46 | ZaZaGX | i failed geometry |
| 23:27.48 | madprops | echo 'asdf' |
| 23:27.52 | Unit193 | whislock, mutante: It'd likely be nicer for the rest of us if #debian could get back to Debian support. |
| 23:27.53 | ZaZaGX | i was more an algebra guy |
| 23:27.55 | nvz | ZaZaGX: heh.. oh well... |
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| 23:28.06 | whislock | Unit193: Already have. |
| 23:28.11 | B|ack0p | i think i started an arguement :p |
| 23:28.17 | whislock | B|ack0p: Not at all. |
| 23:28.37 | ZaZaGX | i'm having a hard time with statistics |
| 23:28.59 | B|ack0p | okk |
| 23:29.00 | nvz | ZaZaGX: acute angles are less than 90deg, obtuse are greater than 90deg.. acute/obtuse have other uses.. like they use acute in the medical field to describe a sudden onset as opposed to chronic condition which is regularly occuring |
| 23:29.18 | whislock | B|ack0p: The purpose of a Debian release is to provide a stable set of software and user experience for the life of that release. If an upstream projects releases a new stable version, that won't be brought into the current Debian stable release because that release is already... well, stable. Bringing in a brand new version might drastically change the system in a way that it shouldn't change |
| 23:29.21 | whislock | within a stable release. |
| 23:29.48 | ZaZaGX | oh ic |
| 23:30.10 | ZaZaGX | so i was thinking of getting a basic flip phone |
| 23:30.22 | ZaZaGX | can i install debian on it? |
| 23:30.25 | B|ack0p | whislock: also i realised that in debian i dont receive updates often unlike ubuntu |
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| 23:31.11 | nvz | ZaZaGX: obtuse in that context though means kinda willfully ignorant |
| 23:31.13 | whislock | B|ack0p: Ubuntu, especially the non-LTS releases, are more liberal about what they'll bring into an existing release. Updates within Debian are typically bugfixes and security updates. |
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| 23:31.33 | BERNIE2020 | I SUPPORT MEDICAID FOR ALL |
| 23:31.36 | nvz | ZaZaGX: but expresses more that you are doing it annoyingly so :P |
| 23:31.38 | BERNIE2020 | BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNI |
| 23:31.41 | B|ack0p | so how often debian releases new versions? every 2 years? |
| 23:31.41 | ZaZaGX | i feel the burnnn |
| 23:31.54 | whislock | B|ack0p: When it's ready(tm) |
| 23:31.54 | BERNIE2020 | MEDICAID FOR ALL! |
| 23:32.07 | nvz | !ops political spam |
| 23:32.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: nvz complains about a problem (see above) |
| 23:32.14 | whislock | nvz: Tautology. ;) |
| 23:32.30 | B|ack0p | whislock: thx for specific info :p |
| 23:32.30 | BERNIE2020 | MEDICAID FOR ALL! ITS A BASIC HUMAN RIGHT |
| 23:32.31 | B|ack0p | lol |
| 23:32.35 | ZaZaGX | whoa, sinbaptik uses the same VPN as i do |
| 23:32.36 | whislock | B|ack0p: Sure. |
| 23:32.43 | BERNIE2020 | !ops nvz false reporting me |
| 23:32.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: bernie2020 complains about a problem (see above) |
| 23:32.52 | BERNIE2020 | basic human rights are not span |
| 23:32.54 | B|ack0p | BERNIE2020: stop spamming |
| 23:32.58 | BERNIE2020 | basic human rights are not spam |
| 23:33.16 | ZaZaGX | how does he keep getting new IP adddress? lol |
| 23:33.28 | nvz | its not even remotely difficult |
| 23:33.43 | nvz | you can easily get a whole list of open proxies online |
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| 23:33.52 | ZaZaGX | i would used to have to disconnect my 56k modem and reconnect to get a different IP address |
| 23:34.39 | nvz | I have a browser plugin that can automatically fetch a list and configure one |
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| 23:35.06 | ZaZaGX | hi sinaptik |
| 23:35.21 | ZaZaGX | oh ic |
| 23:35.27 | nvz | finding a decent one is the trick.. and for something as low-latency low-bandwidth as irc id doesnt really matter much |
| 23:36.09 | ZaZaGX | i thought freenode blocks them |
| 23:36.18 | nvz | I'm sure they try |
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| 23:36.54 | ZaZaGX | i tried to connect on here with ProtonVPN but it won't let me |
| 23:37.17 | nvz | well many things are allowed but may be blocked during times of network trouble |
| 23:37.19 | B|ack0p | i am having problem with Evolution |
| 23:37.21 | Unit193 | ZaZaGX: You have to use SASL with some non-password based auth, I believe. |
| 23:37.29 | B|ack0p | i click send email but it takes forever to send |
| 23:37.30 | ZaZaGX | yeah i used SASL |
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| 23:38.51 | ZaZaGX | i'm not sure if i locked down my debian machine enough |
| 23:39.04 | whislock | Enough for what? |
| 23:39.28 | ZaZaGX | from the spies and the feds |
| 23:39.51 | whislock | Are you immune to firearms? |
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| 23:40.03 | ZaZaGX | no |
| 23:40.12 | whislock | Then your machine is not the weakest link. ;) |
| 23:40.20 | nvz | debian comes fairly locked down.. if you don't do stupid things its mostly secure |
| 23:40.31 | nvz | as implied above, the user is the big issue |
| 23:40.36 | whislock | https://xkcd.com/538/ |
| 23:40.44 | nvz | I been using Debian since like 2002 and I only been compromised once.. |
| 23:40.45 | dka | does modemmanager and gummu conflict ? |
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| 23:40.48 | ZaZaGX | well, i disabled the rubber ducky usb flash drive |
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| 23:41.16 | nvz | and that resulted from me testing something with a friend where I made a user account called guest with the password guest and forgot to remove it afterward |
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| 23:41.26 | dka | does modemmanager and gammu conflict ? or I can have both installed ? |
| 23:41.32 | nvz | I wouldnt exactly call that getting hacked :P |
| 23:41.36 | ZaZaGX | nvz, how did you get compromised? |
| 23:41.45 | ZaZaGX | oh nvm |
| 23:41.46 | nvz | ZaZaGX: someone logged in and put an irc bot in there |
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| 23:42.43 | ZaZaGX | oh ic |
| 23:43.17 | ZaZaGX | systemctl disable cups-browsed |
| 23:43.39 | ZaZaGX | used the ufw |
| 23:44.06 | ZaZaGX | i also changed the DNS field to 1.1.1.1 |
| 23:44.16 | ZaZaGX | and i use a VPN |
| 23:44.20 | nvz | well if you actually have services available having keys and good security policy for changing passwords/keys is more important.. |
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| 23:44.31 | nvz | and something like fail2ban doesnt hurt |
| 23:44.51 | nvz | cause if you have something like say ssh running on default port, you can almost gaurentee people are gonna try |
| 23:44.59 | ZaZaGX | i have never heard of fail2ban |
| 23:45.04 | nvz | and if you allow password logins, they're gonna try common names and passwords |
| 23:45.10 | whislock | All of that stuff is of VERY limited value, honestly. |
| 23:45.21 | ZaZaGX | oh i made a grub login and password |
| 23:45.38 | ZaZaGX | and encrpyted my harddrive |
| 23:45.39 | nvz | yeah that only prevents local bypassing of the security |
| 23:45.54 | nvz | doing something like init=/bin/bash to bypass pam |
| 23:45.54 | ZaZaGX | i don't use ssh |
| 23:46.18 | whislock | Keys of proper size don't need rotating. Passwords of proper strength don't need changing. fail2ban does very little because most attempts don't come from the same IP. Changing the SSH port is tantamount to obscurity, which has zero value. All it takes is a few seconds with nmap. |
| 23:46.31 | ZaZaGX | i'm not sure putting a password on the BIOS is okay security |
| 23:46.53 | nvz | all that would do is stop someone from booting via another media or such |
| 23:47.03 | nvz | and if the disk is encrypted that doesnt change much |
| 23:47.22 | ZaZaGX | yeah i didn't want to someone to live boot a live usb flash drive |
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| 23:48.08 | nvz | I dont have bios or grub passwords if someone has access to my drive and can get past the encryption I'm screwed either way :P |
| 23:48.12 | whislock | ZaZaGX: If someone is physically at the system, all bets are off. |
| 23:48.25 | nvz | it'd be trivial to take the drive out and access it |
| 23:48.41 | whislock | Or hit the CMOS reset jumper, and your BIOS password disappears. |
| 23:49.20 | ZaZaGX | CMOS reset jumpers are in the laptop's motherboard? i don't have a desktop. i did reset a jumper for a desktop a long time ago |
| 23:49.33 | ZaZaGX | to reset my BIOS password. |
| 23:49.40 | whislock | Yup. Or you can pull the CMOS battery. |
| 23:49.40 | ZaZaGX | but it was back than in Windows XP ages |
| 23:49.41 | whislock | Same effect. |
| 23:49.52 | nvz | yeah well most any machine without some sort of security chip, the bios password is easy to circumvent or discover |
| 23:50.08 | ZaZaGX | i think i have a TPM security chip |
| 23:50.09 | nvz | I have all my built in security crap disabled |
| 23:50.13 | nvz | I dont trust it :P |
| 23:50.22 | whislock | Bad reason to disable it. |
| 23:50.37 | whislock | Not like Debian makes use of a TPM anyway. |
| 23:50.47 | ZaZaGX | yeah i thought so |
| 23:50.49 | whislock | Unless the OS is using the TPM, it doesn't help. |
| 23:50.54 | nvz | these machines have computrace, tpm, all kinds of crap |
| 23:51.13 | B|ack0p | ZaZaGX: do you have a ThinkPad ? |
| 23:51.20 | whislock | nvz: Sure. But disabling it as a default isn't a great plan. |
| 23:51.21 | ZaZaGX | how do you know? |
| 23:51.31 | ZaZaGX | are you hacking me right now? |
| 23:51.36 | B|ack0p | maybe :p |
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| 23:51.37 | B|ack0p | lol |
| 23:51.49 | nvz | there aren't many machines out there that come with the thinkpad's standard features |
| 23:51.55 | nvz | is also on a thinkpad |
| 23:52.02 | ZaZaGX | yeah i'm in a thinkpad |
| 23:52.06 | whislock | Dell XPS. |
| 23:52.08 | ZaZaGX | on |
| 23:52.10 | B|ack0p | ThinkPads usually have TPM |
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| 23:52.18 | ZaZaGX | oh ic |
| 23:52.24 | whislock | Any modern system with UEFI capabilities has a TPM. |
| 23:52.24 | swift110 | tlm |
| 23:52.26 | B|ack0p | is also on an old IBM ThinkPad now |
| 23:52.28 | swift110 | \tlp you mean |
| 23:52.35 | B|ack0p | swift110: sup |
| 23:52.37 | swift110 | B|ack0p, WHICH ONE |
| 23:52.42 | gordonfish | "<nvz> you can easily get a whole list of open proxies online" ; Doesn't freenode specifically check for that upon login? |
| 23:52.44 | swift110 | Client: HexChat 2.12.4 ⢠OS: "BunsenLabs" ""helium"" "9.8" ⢠CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M CPU 420 @ 1.60GHz (1.60GHz) ⢠Memory: Physical: 2.9 GiB Total (1.4 GiB Free) Swap: 1.9 GiB Total (1.9 GiB Free) ⢠Storage: 52.5 GB / 79.9 GB (27.4 GB Free) ⢠VGA: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 9 |
| 23:52.45 | swift110 | 43/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub ⢠Uptime: 18h 43m 56s |
| 23:53.06 | ZaZaGX | my machine can only get 6 hours of battery life |
| 23:53.06 | B|ack0p | swift110: X601s frankenpad |
| 23:53.12 | B|ack0p | i have about 10 actually |
| 23:53.18 | ZaZaGX | i'm at starbucks wifi |
| 23:53.26 | millbates | question, im planning to raid1 two harddrives and was wondering if i should create the raid mdadm first, then create the filesystem, or is it the other way around? |
| 23:53.30 | B|ack0p | Linux dthink-x601s 4.19.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.67-2+deb10u2 (2019-11-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:53.30 | nvz | swift110: which model? I'd just traded a T42p for this T440 I got |
| 23:53.50 | ZaZaGX | I have a carbon x1 6th generation thinkpad |
| 23:53.52 | B|ack0p | nvz: i newly got T42 |
| 23:53.57 | whislock | millbates: RAID first. |
| 23:54.15 | millbates | whislock, any reason why? |
| 23:54.35 | whislock | millbates: Because it won't work *at all* the other way around. |
| 23:54.41 | ZaZaGX | debian 10 works better than Ubuntu 18.04 |
| 23:54.44 | mutante | ZaZaGX: encrypting the disk does help against some of those threats. you can select it in the installer as "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM" |
| 23:54.55 | whislock | mdadm creates a virtual "disk" upon which the filesystem is built. |
| 23:55.02 | ZaZaGX | mutante, yeah i did that when i formatted my machine |
| 23:55.04 | whislock | ZaZaGX: "better" is a subjective statement. |
| 23:55.05 | nvz | B|ack0p: kid I traded for this, was thrilled he was an enthusiast looking to create a collection of maxed out thinkpads of all models.. felt like I was robbing him trading him that old IBM for this new lenovo he'd decked out with retrofitted bells and whistles |
| 23:55.08 | millbates | so you cant perform raid with preformatted drives? |
| 23:55.20 | millbates | ah that makes sense |
| 23:55.28 | whislock | millbates: Sure you can. You'd need to repartition it, and it will wipe out whatever's already there. |
| 23:55.36 | B|ack0p | nvz: did you pay over t42p ? |
| 23:55.46 | B|ack0p | or it was just a swap/ |
| 23:55.47 | B|ack0p | ? |
| 23:55.56 | ZaZaGX | well ubuntu 18.04 would go to sleep mode. and it stays asleep and wakes up all slow and corrupts firefox and other apps when it wakes up |
| 23:56.07 | B|ack0p | i wish to collect all models too but cant find and cant afford all by now.. |
| 23:56.15 | nvz | B|ack0p: I gave him like 3 T61 and 2 T500 that were all broken.. cracked screens, missing parts..etc |
| 23:56.17 | ZaZaGX | at least for my machine |
| 23:56.31 | nvz | B|ack0p: the T42p was the only one in good working condition |
| 23:56.35 | B|ack0p | nvz: if he is happy no problem.. trade is trade |
| 23:56.41 | ZaZaGX | whats your specs? |
| 23:56.51 | millbates | another question, my nas just updated its kernel and its using 5.3, which version is this? |
| 23:57.05 | whislock | millbates: Is your NAS running Debian? |
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| 23:57.10 | millbates | 5.3 bpo or something |
| 23:57.12 | millbates | yes |
| 23:57.19 | whislock | Ah. Backport kernel. |
| 23:57.28 | ZaZaGX | well, is there any more advice for locking down my debian machine? |
| 23:57.54 | millbates | whis, what is it exactly? |
| 23:57.58 | nvz | This T440 has the i5-4300U 1.9ghz 8GB ram, 120GB sata ssd, 24Wh internal 72Wh external batteries, retrofitted with a 3 button touchpad and 1080p screen.. |
| 23:58.07 | millbates | thought 10 was 4.19? |
| 23:58.08 | nvz | millbates: what is bpo? |
| 23:58.16 | ZaZaGX | whoa baller |
| 23:58.31 | whislock | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 23:58.32 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u9; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u1; bullseye: 5.3.9-3; sid: 5.3.9-3 |
| 23:58.33 | millbates | nvz, whis said it |
| 23:58.41 | B|ack0p | nvz: i hate new models of thinkpads :/ |
| 23:58.50 | B|ack0p | actually i dont like models after .60 |
| 23:58.55 | ZaZaGX | mines kind of like yours |
| 23:58.58 | nvz | bpo is a backport package from the backports repo.. a package backported from source in sid/testing and compiled against dependencies in your stable release |
| 23:59.07 | millbates | bullseye beta? |
| 23:59.10 | millbates | ah |
| 23:59.15 | whislock | Seems to have been a custom thing, as there isn't a backport kernel of that version in the Debian repos. |
| 23:59.44 | ZaZaGX | does he have a frankenstein? |
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| 23:59.57 | whislock | I suspect his NAS is a Debian derivative or something. |
| 23:59.58 | nvz | ZaZaGX: I was looking to sell it and go back to a smaller one. I had the x240 before this.. I'd bought a 240GB m2 SSD for this one and was gonna try sell it and get maybe an X250, X260 or something |