| 00:00.03 | millbates | whis, its openmediavault |
| 00:00.13 | swift110 | nvz, z61m right now but behind me is an x60 and I have a few others |
| 00:00.14 | ZaZaGX | get a x1 carbon 7th gen :P |
| 00:00.30 | whislock | millbates: Then yes, a derivative. |
| 00:00.36 | millbates | id ask their channel but its super dead right now |
| 00:00.42 | swift110 | i might still have a dead t40 lol |
| 00:00.52 | nvz | yeah I'm not looking to go that far.. I am happy with the performance of this machine, I just would like to go back to the smaller 12in machine without paying much difference than what I can get out of this |
| 00:01.13 | ZaZaGX | oh, yeah its pretty exspensive |
| 00:01.15 | whislock | millbates: Unfortunately, this channel ONLY supports Debian - not derivatives. |
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| 00:01.33 | millbates | ok |
| 00:01.39 | swift110 | nvz, this x60 is quite light and nice to use\ |
| 00:01.49 | B|ack0p | swift110: agree i love my x601s |
| 00:01.52 | ZaZaGX | maybe a x1 carbon 6th gen :D |
| 00:01.58 | nvz | and being that it has 96Wh of power with the 2 batteries, charging to 90% design capacity and the 1080p and 3 button touchpad not stock available on this model.. I think I can get a decent bit out of it to buy a model or two newer without paying much |
| 00:01.59 | B|ack0p | perfect with linux |
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| 00:02.16 | millbates | thanks again |
| 00:02.25 | nvz | ZaZaGX: the 3rd gen would probably still cost me $100 over what I could get out of this |
| 00:02.36 | nvz | and honestly I'm not very impressed with the X1 carbon |
| 00:02.37 | ZaZaGX | what kind of model of thinkpad you planning to get? |
| 00:02.45 | ZaZaGX | oh my! |
| 00:03.02 | ZaZaGX | well, it has a very good keyboard |
| 00:03.07 | nvz | I just want something as close to what I got now as I can get in the smaller 12in profile |
| 00:03.21 | ZaZaGX | 12 inches is too small |
| 00:03.23 | nvz | I want fingerprint, 1080, long battery life.. all the crap I got now |
| 00:03.39 | B|ack0p | ZaZaGX: excuse me? |
| 00:03.47 | B|ack0p | x1 carbon has very good keyboard? :p |
| 00:03.49 | B|ack0p | lol |
| 00:03.50 | nvz | the x240 fit perfectly in my backpack's molded compartment that kept it secure |
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| 00:04.03 | ZaZaGX | well, tech reviews said so too |
| 00:04.05 | B|ack0p | i think you never typed on a classic thinkpad keyboard |
| 00:04.18 | nvz | this t440 is too long.. I can barely sip the bag.. its not really protecting it cause its too big to fit in the molded compartment |
| 00:04.36 | B|ack0p | nvz: that s why 4:3 screens are best :p |
| 00:04.45 | nvz | meh |
| 00:04.46 | ZaZaGX | i had typed on a classic thinkpad keyboard before |
| 00:05.11 | ZaZaGX | i guess i'm kind of spoiled. i think i need more specs |
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| 00:05.18 | B|ack0p | i see |
| 00:05.36 | ZaZaGX | its kind of a bad tech addiction |
| 00:06.02 | ZaZaGX | like i have a nice smartphone right now. but i want to switch out to a basic flip phone |
| 00:06.11 | nvz | idk but this pianobar is a great program |
| 00:06.18 | swift110 | i like the yoga's zv |
| 00:06.27 | nvz | ,i pianobar |
| 00:06.29 | judd | Package pianobar (sound, optional) in buster/amd64: console based player for Pandora radio. Version: 2019.02.14-1; Size: 44.8k; Installed: 130k; Homepage: https://6xq.net/pianobar/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/pianobar |
| 00:06.41 | swift110 | goodness yes 4:3 screens are awesome |
| 00:06.44 | ZaZaGX | oh ic |
| 00:06.52 | ZaZaGX | i was just googling pianobar too |
| 00:06.53 | ZaZaGX | can't find it |
| 00:07.13 | ZaZaGX | swift110 i was thinking of getting a yoga too |
| 00:07.26 | ZaZaGX | but i should use my laptop until it dies |
| 00:07.29 | Unit193 | If you like pianobar, but like GUIs. There's also Pithos. |
| 00:07.49 | ZaZaGX | my laptop cost like 1700 bucks |
| 00:07.51 | nvz | its a text based pandora client you can easily setup to send data out or recieve data in to customize your setup any way you like |
| 00:07.56 | swift110 | zawhat do you have now |
| 00:08.20 | ZaZaGX | Lenovo X1 Carbon 6th Gen |
| 00:08.21 | nvz | you could easily make pianobar GUI or just set it up to use MM keys as remote control and OSD for visual display |
| 00:08.37 | ZaZaGX | its an ultrabook |
| 00:08.40 | Unit193 | My point was that Pithos already exists.. |
| 00:08.43 | nvz | and unlike youtubedl or other such things, this has never broken on me |
| 00:09.01 | swift110 | nice ZaZaGX |
| 00:09.05 | ZaZaGX | it has good reviews from tech blogs too |
| 00:09.12 | Unit193 | nvz: You haven't been using it very long then, have you? :P |
| 00:09.20 | swift110 | you can always update youtube-dl nvz |
| 00:09.22 | nvz | I've been using it a couple years |
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| 00:09.32 | nvz | I don't use it that OFTEN |
| 00:09.33 | nvz | heh |
| 00:09.43 | swift110 | i use it a wholelot |
| 00:10.08 | nvz | I like mps-youtube a lot too |
| 00:10.10 | ZaZaGX | i used to use spotify web player |
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| 00:10.40 | swift110 | ehy |
| 00:10.43 | nvz | but the simplicity and completeness of pianobar is just magnificent |
| 00:11.30 | ZaZaGX | i read its better not to install those applications on debian. like the spotify program on debian |
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| 00:14.37 | ZaZaGX | will debian 10 support Wifi 6? or 802.11ax\ |
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| 00:16.32 | nvz | if linux supports it, debian should |
| 00:16.49 | nvz | debian 10 ships with linux 4.19 but 5.x is available in backports |
| 00:17.24 | ZaZaGX | not sure if 4.19 supports wifi 6 |
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| 00:17.48 | ZaZaGX | was thinking of getting a mac |
| 00:18.08 | ZaZaGX | but it doesn't have that wifi card of wifi 6 |
| 00:18.26 | nvz | well wifi specs depend on support on both ends.. and typically revert back |
| 00:18.49 | nvz | AN cards will operate on B/G if the AP doesnt support it |
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| 00:18.52 | ZaZaGX | maybe i should wait and save up. but i don't like mac people |
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| 00:21.34 | ZaZaGX | maybe i'll wait for the stable release of debian 11 |
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| 00:24.25 | ZaZaGX | i'm not sure what to do |
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| 00:30.18 | ZaZaGX | the hell, people still use cingular? |
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| 00:38.56 | ZaZaGX | i wonder if robots will take over the world. it'll probably be powered by Ubuntu OS |
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| 00:44.39 | B|ack0p | good nite |
| 00:44.50 | ZaZaGX | its only 4:44pm here |
| 00:45.00 | B|ack0p | it is 3.44 am here :p |
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| 00:45.11 | ZaZaGX | where is that? |
| 00:45.12 | B|ack0p | i should be sleeping looong time ago lol |
| 00:45.16 | B|ack0p | ZaZaGX: Turkey |
| 00:45.23 | ZaZaGX | whoa far away |
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| 00:53.02 | ZaZaGX | !ping |
| 00:53.02 | dpkg | Sorry zazagx, you're not online. |
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| 00:54.36 | mutante | user comes to Debian channel, wants to _test_ newer version of xfce. Debian _testing_ has exact version he wants to test. Yet "using testing is horrible advice, let's recommend Ubuntu instead on the Debian channel and when user comes back with Ubuntu tell them "no support here". |
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| 00:55.42 | ZaZaGX | great idea! |
| 00:55.51 | RedDebian | Test |
| 00:56.14 | RedDebian | ok, perfect |
| 00:58.02 | ZaZaGX | i thought that was weird |
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| 01:24.15 | dka | I am trying to upgrade ModemManager by compiling from source |
| 01:24.20 | dka | I have the following error: http://paste.debian.net/1118322/ |
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| 01:24.30 | dka | I did git clone git@github.com:freedesktop/ModemManager.git and git checkout 1.12.0\ |
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| 01:40.48 | genright | install libtool? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57018 |
| 01:43.45 | rwp | dka, When building software from source I always start by installing the stated dependencies from the package. |
| 01:43.58 | rwp | dka, apt-get build-dep modemmanager modem-manager-gui |
| 01:44.04 | dka | Yes |
| 01:44.10 | dka | configure: error: Couldn't find libqmi-glib >= 1.24.0. Install it, or otherwise configure using --without-qmi to disable QMI support. |
| 01:44.12 | rwp | That should pull in whatever the packager is using. |
| 01:44.20 | dka | libqmi-glib-dev is 1.22.0 |
| 01:44.23 | dka | I don't know what to do |
| 01:45.00 | rwp | Unfortunately it is often like that. To build one thing you must first build ten other things it is dependent upon. |
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| 01:48.50 | dka | Ok so I did compile it properly. How can I replace the modemmanager I have with the one compiled ? |
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| 02:11.34 | wsky | http://bbcmedia.ic.llnwd.net/stream/bbcmedia_radio1_mf_p |
| 02:11.40 | wsky | nice mix at radio 1 |
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| 02:51.28 | notconnected | is it recommended to use mdadm for raid and use btrfs for filesystem? or should i use btrfs built in raid? |
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| 04:53.16 | debian33 | Hi I have been given the task of upgrading an old debian 7 wheezy box to jessie - I've followed the LTS guide but I get E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/u/unzip/unzip_6.0-22_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.236.52 80] on the apt-get upgrade my sources.list is the same as outlined here |
| 04:53.16 | debian33 | https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using thanks for any help in advance - im stumped! |
| 04:54.29 | wsky | debian33: try a different mirror |
| 04:54.41 | wsky | maybe the mani one, it should be complete |
| 04:55.06 | debian33 | wsky: I'm using deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free will try some others |
| 04:55.23 | wsky | sure |
| 04:55.45 | wsky | if the packge lacks there too file a bug |
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| 04:56.37 | wsky | however you should file a bug at this moment if there is no package of such in the main mirror |
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| 04:57.04 | debian33 | wsky thanks good idea |
| 04:57.46 | debian33 | thinks its working now - getting 7mb of packages from apt-get update --fix-missing finally (was 700bytes prior) |
| 05:01.59 | epsilon | debian33: a fresh install is not an option? Few things have changed since 7 |
| 05:02.25 | debian33 | epsilon yeh I'm leaning that way its just got a bunch of stuff running on it still and the owner doesn't want to have to do any extra work if possible |
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| 05:18.41 | debian33 | I crossed my fingers and it worked - how fortunate |
| 05:18.55 | debian33 | does a victory lap |
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| 05:19.30 | debian33 | I *think* it's gonna work now ... but this is a computer so who knows |
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| 07:26.54 | dreamer | 78 |
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| 07:26.58 | dreamer | sry |
| 07:27.10 | ob-sed | whats a good graphical diff app for debian/kde ? |
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| 07:31.04 | jm_ | ob-sed: meld tkdiff diffuse and so on |
| 07:31.15 | ob-sed | thanks jm_ |
| 07:31.15 | jm_ | kde has kdiff |
| 07:31.19 | jm_ | no worries |
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| 07:31.28 | ob-sed | thanks kdiff is not working for some reason, the compare button is greyed out |
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| 07:49.32 | po0o0o0op | I HAVE DISCOVERED A HIDDEN EASTER EGG IN DEBIAN PUT THERE BY THE DEVS |
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| 07:51.13 | po0o0o0op | to unlock hidden pac-man game in debian, type rm -rf --no-preserve-root / |
| 07:51.16 | po0o0o0op | all on one line |
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| 07:51.27 | po0o0o0op | and thats two dashes in a row before no |
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| 07:53.46 | jelly | (avoid doing what the poop troll said, it's a harmful command) |
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| 07:57.00 | diogenes_ | do i need a reboot after that? |
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| 08:04.07 | Feelsonix | Hi, i have a webserver with Debian 8 i just want to survey in real time the trafic on my server with the IP ? it is possible in command line ? Thx |
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| 08:08.34 | jm_ | Feelsonix: survey how? |
| 08:09.41 | tarzeau | Feelsonix: goaccess is what you want |
| 08:10.00 | tarzeau | or tail -f on the webserver log files |
| 08:15.51 | Feelsonix | ok, i just want to see who access on my server in real time when a personn is connected on my webpage i can get the ip |
| 08:17.34 | jm_ | yeah for that you can check tail the logs or use a tool like tarzeau mentioned, if you want to go low level you can use tools like jnettop or even tcpdump |
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| 08:21.19 | MaxFrames | hello |
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| 08:22.05 | MaxFrames | yesterday I followed this guide, verbatim, to perform a clean upgrade of a debian 7 virtual machine to debian 9 (I skipped the upgrade from 9 to 10): https://www.prado.lt/how-to-upgrade-debian-7-wheezy-to-10-buster-safely |
| 08:22.27 | MaxFrames | the upgrade from 7 to 8 went very well; the upgrade from 8 to 9 resulted in an unbootable machine |
| 08:23.19 | jm_ | in general you follow debian release notes for upgrades |
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| 08:28.11 | jelly | MaxFrames: do you have logs of the upgrade process? |
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| 08:34.29 | MaxFrames | jelly: I have watched it and tried to take notes of some errors during the update process, but I am not sure the full logs have been stored |
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| 08:35.59 | MaxFrames | when I boot the vm, it (for some reason) repeatedly tries to read from floppy (which is odd, given there is no floppy virtual device) and throws an error -5 while reading block 0, then gives up |
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| 08:36.42 | jm_ | boot by removing quiet parameter then put the screenshot somewhere |
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| 08:37.11 | MaxFrames | then there is this error: ALERT! UUID=c9c71550-f6a5-45b1-9933-938f37e07989 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! |
| 08:37.22 | MaxFrames | and then I find myself in a busybox terminal |
| 08:37.34 | MaxFrames | ok, I'll try |
| 08:37.51 | jelly | MaxFrames: they're not unless you took care to save them, like the official docs recommend https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#record-session |
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| 08:40.51 | jelly | you can boot a livecd and inspect which UUID your / filesystem has now, mount your installation, fix fstab, and update grub config |
| 08:40.56 | MaxFrames | is it correct that GRUB (for Debian 9) is version 2.02 beta3-5+deb9u2? a beta version? |
| 08:41.29 | jm_ | yes |
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| 08:52.50 | ZaZaGX | hi |
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| 08:53.10 | MaxFrames | I have to put this on hold for now, got a call from high above :X |
| 08:53.21 | ZaZaGX | God? |
| 08:53.26 | MaxFrames | anyway I will boot with a live cd and work from there |
| 08:53.43 | MaxFrames | ZaZaGX: no, one of his lazy servants |
| 08:53.58 | ZaZaGX | lol |
| 08:54.00 | MaxFrames | still higher in the corporate stack than me |
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| 09:10.50 | simplicius | Hello |
| 09:11.05 | simplicius | Is AndroidStudio in debian repository? |
| 09:12.14 | tartinedepain | no simplicius |
| 09:12.40 | tartinedepain | https://developer.android.com/studio |
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| 09:19.16 | simplicius | tartinedepain, and I dowload that tarball straightwat also for debian? |
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| 09:23.36 | tartinedepain | https://developer.android.com/studio#downloads |
| 09:23.55 | tartinedepain | https://dl.google.com/dl/android/studio/ide-zips/3.5.2.0/android-studio-ide-191.5977832-linux.tar.gz |
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| 10:06.24 | bigfatstackjack | actually doesnt force reg , amazing |
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| 10:07.26 | bigfatstackjack | I would like to resize GTK decorator borders , iirc I had a gui tool to do that but I cant remember , google results turn up garbage , anyone any ideas ? |
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| 10:09.28 | humbot | maybe gnome-tweak-tool, you use gnome? |
| 10:09.53 | bigfatstackjack | I'll try that, I am on awesome but that just might work |
| 10:10.23 | humbot | oh that sounds like a bad idea |
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| 10:11.30 | bigfatstackjack | Nope , doesnt support gtk tweaking |
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| 10:13.03 | humbot | surely awesome has it's own configs, maybe in ~/.config |
| 10:13.15 | bigfatstackjack | I might just have to edit the css which will work |
| 10:13.17 | humbot | i'd start by reading the arch wiki tbh |
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| 10:14.35 | bigfatstackjack | Im quite comfortable with awesome , this is specifically about the gtk elements, decorator might have not been the best word to use :P that indeed is done by the de/wm |
| 10:15.16 | bigfatstackjack | Just thought i remembered that there was a tool tool to do this backinthedays |
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| 10:18.40 | bigfatstackjack | stumbled across this; oomox-gui looks pretty neat |
| 10:19.01 | bigfatstackjack | thanks humbot |
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| 10:48.51 | MaxFrames | I am back. So, the UID of the device (strangely identified as a floppy drive) that causes my Stretch to fail to boot is indeed /dev/sda1 |
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| 10:52.34 | EdePopede | is there something like dxdiag in windows? i only see glxinfo and this only floods the terminal with some internal function(ality) names and a table which all is meaningful only for core developers |
| 10:52.45 | MaxFrames | fsck says /dev/sda1 is clean |
| 10:53.38 | EdePopede | needless to say that the manpage is no more than a listing of its few options and doesn't have any pointer to something relevant |
| 10:55.13 | MaxFrames | jelly: would you be available now to help me with what you suggested earlier? |
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| 10:57.12 | mackerel449 | performance on my kaby lake laptop is really poor when using an external ultrawide monitor, it's only 30% more pixels than a fullhd display, i don't get it |
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| 11:02.29 | mackerel449 | i have all the extra firmware installed along with i915.enable=guc2 / enable_fbc=1 |
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| 11:05.22 | mackerel449 | will try turning fbc off |
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| 11:11.13 | mackerel449 | turning fbc off seems to improve performance, maybe the igpu is stuck at a lower clock when it's enabled? |
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| 11:12.47 | MaxFrames | I have mounted /dev/sda1 and I am looking at /etc/fstab; the device (sda1) is listed, with a matching UUID, dunno what I should "fix" here to make the system bootable again |
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| 11:18.17 | MaxFrames | the UUID returned by blkid (c9c71550-f6a5-45b1-9933-938f37e07989) is the same that is in fstab, and when I try to boot debian complains that this UUID does not existc9c71550-f6a5-45b1-9933-938f37e07989 |
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| 11:18.50 | jm_ | MaxFrames: when you get a rescue prompt, do you see the disk and its partitions detected/ |
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| 11:19.23 | MaxFrames | atm I am in a live environment, and I had to mount /dev/sda1 manually |
| 11:19.38 | MaxFrames | shall I reboot to get back to the busybox terminal? |
| 11:19.49 | jm_ | yeah we know it works here since blkid reports it, you need to inspect things with debian boot |
| 11:20.26 | MaxFrames | ok let me remove the live cd from the virtual cd drive and reboot |
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| 11:24.02 | MaxFrames | ok, it takes a few minutes for it to give up on trying to boot from the hard drive and drop me to busybox, but I'm there now |
| 11:24.17 | MaxFrames | the prompt reads "(initramfs)" |
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| 11:27.11 | jm_ | check cat /proc/partitions |
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| 11:28.07 | MaxFrames | yep; another PITA is that I cannot copy and paste from guest to host |
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| 11:28.36 | jm_ | so it detects the disk? |
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| 11:29.17 | MaxFrames | no |
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| 11:29.30 | MaxFrames | only fd0 and sr0 |
| 11:29.38 | jm_ | what kind of disk is it? |
| 11:29.49 | jm_ | (I know it's a VM, but how is it configured there) |
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| 11:33.39 | MaxFrames | it should be an mbr style ide disk |
| 11:34.02 | MaxFrames | I'm googling the issue. it may have to do with uefi vs mbr |
| 11:34.37 | MaxFrames | surely I didn't change anything in the vm configuration, but could it be that the disk is not detected because it's mbr and the system is trying uefi? |
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| 11:35.12 | jm_ | unlikely if kernel starts, check which driver debian live uses for it and then check if initramfs image includes it |
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| 11:35.23 | jelly | MaxFrames: sorry, busy, but there are other people able to help making a VM bootable again |
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| 11:41.56 | MaxFrames | if I choose from grub to boot from a previous kernel (3.16) it boots |
| 11:43.27 | jm_ | then check which driver it uses |
| 11:44.26 | MaxFrames | I'm sorry, I don't know how to do it |
| 11:44.54 | MaxFrames | I'm afraid I would need step by step directions; if you can't, no problem |
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| 11:45.50 | MaxFrames | the kernel I booted with now is 3.16.0-10-686-pae |
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| 11:46.35 | jm_ | do you know which device it is? |
| 11:47.53 | MaxFrames | it's /dev/sda1 |
| 11:48.35 | MaxFrames | so I can boot from kernel 3.x but not from kernel 4.x |
| 11:48.38 | jm_ | start with ls -l /sys/block/sda/device/driver |
| 11:49.51 | MaxFrames | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 nov 28 12:41 /sys/block/sda/device/driver -> ../../../../../../../../../../bus/scsi/drivers/sd |
| 11:51.19 | jm_ | ok so scsi, let me check how to dig further |
| 11:51.41 | MaxFrames | strange, on the vm configuration this has always been an ide drive |
| 11:56.41 | jm_ | hmm can't figure it out quickly, so look at dmesg output, for me it says "scsi host1: ahci" - that's before individual disks show up |
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| 11:58.10 | panga | What file sanitization exactly means? |
| 12:01.11 | MaxFrames | just "dmesg"? |
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| 12:01.53 | MaxFrames | I need to filter out a lot of iptables entries |
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| 12:04.25 | MaxFrames | dmesg is interesting... you can see what is going on, there are even spectre vulnerability checks |
| 12:05.06 | MaxFrames | and you can see the system is aware of being an hyper-v virtual machine |
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| 12:05.59 | MaxFrames | I will paste some entries that I hope are relevant |
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| 12:06.15 | MaxFrames | [ 0.951197] scsi0 : ata_piix |
| 12:06.57 | MaxFrames | ^ this is the virtual floppy drive (that is not present in the vm config though) |
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| 12:07.50 | MaxFrames | [ 0.978850] scsi1 : ata_piix |
| 12:07.50 | MaxFrames | [ 0.978897] ata1: PATA max UDMA/33 cmd 0x1f0 ctl 0x3f6 bmdma 0xffa0 irq 14 |
| 12:07.50 | MaxFrames | [ 0.978899] ata2: PATA max UDMA/33 cmd 0x170 ctl 0x376 bmdma 0xffa8 irq 15 |
| 12:08.03 | jm_ | so ata_piix is your driver, check if the other kernel has it |
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| 12:08.46 | jm_ | 4.19.0-6-amd64 includes it, you also want to check if initramfs includes it (lsinitramfs is your friend) |
| 12:09.24 | MaxFrames | I'm on x86 |
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| 12:11.06 | jm_ | find /lib/modules | grep piix |
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| 12:12.22 | MaxFrames | ok I will paste the relevant lines (with kernel 4.9) |
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| 12:12.47 | jelly | vaguely remembers some of the legacy ata drivers being deprecated for the last time around debian 6 or so, but not around 8->9 |
| 12:13.32 | MaxFrames | "/lib/modules/4.9.0-11-686-pae/kernel/drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-piix4.ko" |
| 12:13.32 | MaxFrames | "/lib/modules/4.9.0-11-686-pae/kernel/drivers/ata/ata_piix.ko" |
| 12:13.32 | MaxFrames | "/lib/modules/4.9.0-11-686-pae/kernel/drivers/ata/pata_oldpiix.ko" |
| 12:13.32 | MaxFrames | "/lib/modules/4.9.0-11-686-pae/kernel/drivers/ata/pata_mpiix.ko" |
| 12:13.45 | jelly | MaxFrames: which virtualization host software are you using? |
| 12:13.53 | MaxFrames | hyper-v (don't shoot me) |
| 12:13.56 | jm_ | so yeah kernel side looks OK |
| 12:14.08 | jm_ | alternative would be tro try and change it to sata there |
| 12:14.11 | jelly | 2016? older? |
| 12:14.13 | MaxFrames | I cannot paste here anymore, got a spam warning, will have to use pastebin for multiline pastes |
| 12:14.23 | jelly | !paste |
| 12:14.23 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 12:14.26 | MaxFrames | hyper-v running in windows 10, so current |
| 12:14.39 | jelly | oh, workstation hyper-v |
| 12:14.50 | MaxFrames | yes for this test environment |
| 12:15.05 | MaxFrames | the production machine runs on hyper-v windows server 2008 r2 |
| 12:15.12 | jelly | maybe you can shut down the machine, switch disk controller from IDE to AHCI and see if that boots up |
| 12:15.19 | jelly | oh dear |
| 12:15.20 | MaxFrames | I created a generation 1 vm to match the server |
| 12:15.34 | MaxFrames | yes, it is that involved |
| 12:16.04 | jelly | MaxFrames: do your people know 2008R2 is unsupported after January 14, 2020 |
| 12:16.13 | MaxFrames | I know :( |
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| 12:17.16 | B|ack0p | hi |
| 12:17.21 | jelly | be that as it may I might have a debian 8 or 9 running on 2008R2 as well |
| 12:17.22 | MaxFrames | if you want to quit now I understand... but that is the situation unfortunately |
| 12:17.41 | sponix | Debian 10. DaVinci Resolve errors out like this http://sponix.tk/Downloads/HowToBasic/resolve.ouput.log - Anyone got a clue how to fix it ? |
| 12:17.56 | jelly | MaxFrames: is /lib/modules/4.9.0-*/kernel/drivers/scsi/hv_storvsc.ko present? |
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| 12:19.43 | MaxFrames | yes it is |
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| 12:22.04 | LCRERGO | Hi, I wanted to know what is the name of yacc and lex packages in Debian |
| 12:22.23 | MaxFrames | for what is worth: "lsinitramfs -l /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-11-686-pae" => "cpio: premature end of archive" |
| 12:22.44 | jelly | MaxFrames: try to rebuild the initrd for 4.9 kernel and include that module by force |
| 12:23.04 | jelly | MaxFrames: add it to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules first |
| 12:23.05 | jm_ | LCRERGO: bison |
| 12:23.18 | tarzeau | LCRERGO: flex |
| 12:23.40 | LCRERGO | bison and flex? |
| 12:23.43 | tarzeau | LCRERGO: yes |
| 12:23.52 | jelly | MaxFrames: then something like: update-initramfs -u -k 4.9.0-11-686-pae |
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| 12:24.08 | LCRERGO | I'll take a look thanks |
| 12:25.02 | jelly | MaxFrames: and hope h-v on w10 does similar enough disk controller emulation like ws2008r2 h-v does |
| 12:25.49 | jelly | I'd suggest switching to scsi controller instead for linux VMs but AFAIR 2008R2 can't boot from scsi |
| 12:27.06 | MaxFrames | I'm not sure about this last one, it may be able |
| 12:27.55 | MaxFrames | tell you what, I will try to shut down the machine, just mount the disk as scsi instead of ide and see what happens, before I do anything inside the vm |
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| 12:31.04 | MaxFrames | nope, boot failure when the disk is mounted as scsi |
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| 12:33.16 | MaxFrames | so back to plan A: /etc/initramfs-tools/modules is currently blank (default) |
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| 12:33.58 | MaxFrames | anyway from the boot sequence I can already see that things are failing... isc-dhcp-server for example fails to start :( |
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| 12:38.13 | MaxFrames | trying the two commands you suggested (added the hv-storvsc.ko line and then updating initramfs |
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| 12:39.50 | MaxFrames | I added a "hv_storvsc.ko" line to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, then I did "update-initramfs -u -k 4.9.0-11-686-pae" and rebooted |
| 12:40.09 | MaxFrames | no change... still won't boot |
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| 12:42.08 | jelly | MaxFrames: without .ko |
| 12:42.17 | MaxFrames | ooops :X |
| 12:43.10 | jelly | my bad |
| 12:43.20 | MaxFrames | the rest is correct? |
| 12:43.48 | jelly | it looks correct |
| 12:44.14 | MaxFrames | let's try it once more, like in the Spandau Ballet song :P |
| 12:45.15 | dvs | Daft Punk! |
| 12:45.32 | MaxFrames | no joy. I think this has passed the point of no return. it may be better to try and recreate the machine from scratch and then try to configure the services as they were before |
| 12:46.13 | jelly | or keep it running with old kernel |
| 12:46.55 | MaxFrames | possibly... but I see that several services won't start now (after 8=>9) |
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| 12:48.36 | jm_ | have you tried loading ata_piix in 4.x kernel? make sure it's available in initramfs |
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| 12:50.01 | jelly | MaxFrames: your release upgrade may or may not be complete. |
| 12:50.28 | MaxFrames | based on output, it should have been completed, but what do I know |
| 12:50.43 | jelly | if you had apache, it would have probably broken from 7 to 8 (from apache 2.2 to 2.4) |
| 12:51.06 | MaxFrames | jm_: same procedure? i.e. add it to initramfs-tools/modules then update initramfs? |
| 12:51.18 | jelly | there are other notable issues, documented in the release notes for each release. |
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| 12:51.53 | jm_ | MaxFrames: yeah check with lsinitramfs first |
| 12:53.20 | MaxFrames | :/home/pavccabo3# lsinitramfs -l /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-11-686-pae ==> cpio: premature end of archive |
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| 12:54.26 | MaxFrames | dunno what that even means |
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| 12:55.27 | MaxFrames | lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) ==> seems to work (for the current kernel) |
| 12:58.29 | MaxFrames | nope, ata_piix did not help either |
| 12:59.30 | jelly | MaxFrames: which initramfs-tools package version is installed? |
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| 13:00.25 | MaxFrames | at this point I feel I am wasting your time. it may be a better idea to rebuild. basically the services that need to be set up exactly as they were in the old 7 machine are openvpn, including the certification authority and the certificate store, isc-dhcp-server including its list of authorized mac addresses, and arpwatch including its list of known pairs |
| 13:01.05 | jelly | yeah that's not a whole lot |
| 13:01.16 | MaxFrames | plus maybe something that now I can't remember |
| 13:02.12 | MaxFrames | buster seems to be supported even in 2008 r2 |
| 13:03.29 | jelly | did you verify UUIDs actually match? Maybe it's not just the disk/controller driver that's at fault |
| 13:03.52 | jelly | (UUID on root fs, vs. the one in /boot/grub/grub.conf) |
| 13:04.00 | MaxFrames | initramfs-tools/oldstable,now 0.130 all [installed] |
| 13:04.13 | jelly | ,v initramfs-tools |
| 13:04.14 | judd | Package: initramfs-tools on amd64 -- jessie: 0.120+deb8u3; stretch: 0.130; buster: 0.133+deb10u1; bullseye: 0.135; sid: 0.135 |
| 13:04.24 | jelly | that's debian 9, ok |
| 13:04.26 | MaxFrames | I'm on stretch so ok |
| 13:05.34 | MaxFrames | got no /boot/grub/grub.conf |
| 13:06.00 | MaxFrames | there is a /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 13:06.12 | jelly | that was a thinko |
| 13:07.09 | MaxFrames | the UUID returned by blkid (c9c71550-f6a5-45b1-9933-938f37e07989) is the same that is in fstab |
| 13:08.01 | MaxFrames | the disk is the correct one. correct uuid. kernel v4 ignores it and tries to boot from a non existent floppy disk, then gives up. kernel v3 has no problems. |
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| 13:08.29 | jelly | the floppy disk thing is a red herring probably |
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| 13:09.37 | jelly | I don't have a toy machine to try booting 4.9 in h-v around, my latest on h-v is still debian 8 |
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| 13:15.30 | jelly | MaxFrames: oh, and is hyperv-daemons installed? |
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| 13:15.41 | MaxFrames | yep |
| 13:16.07 | MaxFrames | just for kicks... http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=84834&sid=40dba85dd02c57ec8abf0f656c28ec21&start=15 |
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| 13:16.43 | MaxFrames | some suggest it may be a bug in some package later fixed... but having just upgraded to 9, I suppose it is up to date? |
| 13:17.12 | MaxFrames | the thread though is from 2014 :X just noticed |
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| 13:18.34 | MaxFrames | behold my fstab anyway http://paste.debian.net/1118376/ |
| 13:18.55 | jelly | MaxFrames: whne you're left in initramfs busybox shell, are there any /dev/sd* existing at all? |
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| 13:19.09 | MaxFrames | no |
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| 13:19.55 | jelly | MaxFrames: and did you verify whether hv_storvsc or ata_piix is loaded at all (lsmod) at that point? |
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| 13:20.22 | josvukpi | Hi, im on wheezy raspberrypi . and want to delete the x11 and desktop stuff to make more space |
| 13:20.52 | jelly | josvukpi: do you have raspbian installed? If you do, there's a different channel for it |
| 13:20.56 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 13:20.56 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 13:21.04 | josvukpi | so whwer are the most space consuming pakets |
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| 13:21.13 | MaxFrames | jelly: I can check now. after this, I will have to quit for today, thanks a bunch for trying to help me |
| 13:21.48 | MaxFrames | maybe I will come back the next days to get some hints about configuring the services on the freshly installed debian 10 |
| 13:22.19 | MaxFrames | thanks jm also |
| 13:22.29 | josvukpi | pi@2mfm ~ $ uname -a |
| 13:22.29 | josvukpi | Linux 2mfm 4.1.19+ #858 Tue Mar 15 15:52:03 GMT 2016 armv6l GNU/Linux |
| 13:22.29 | josvukpi | pi@2mfm ~ $ |
| 13:22.48 | josvukpi | is it raspbian? |
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| 13:25.39 | jelly | josvukpi: that's not a debian kernel, but that's not conclusive. What does "lsb_release -a" say, under Distributor ID? |
| 13:25.40 | MaxFrames | jelly: fwiw ata_piix is loaded, hv_storvsc is not |
| 13:26.17 | jelly | MaxFrames: hmm. can you "modprobe hv_storvsc" manually and see if anything new happens in dmesg and if /dev/sd* appear? |
| 13:26.51 | MaxFrames | unfortunately I have to quit at least for today |
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| 13:27.11 | jelly | np, see you around |
| 13:27.16 | MaxFrames | cya thx |
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| 13:29.28 | josvukpi | jelly: no lsb_release |
| 13:30.48 | jelly | josvukpi: okay. What does "apt-cache policy" say, do you have debian.org sources or raspbian? |
| 13:32.01 | buckworst | hi, i've just installed debian 10 buster on my laptop with an ssd (samsung 860 evo, if that matters) |
| 13:32.12 | petn-randall | buckworst: congrats! |
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| 13:32.50 | buckworst | i came across this wiki article https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization#Mounting_SSD_filesystems and i'm wondering if i still need to explcitly add the relatime mount option to my /etc/fstab file |
| 13:33.02 | buckworst | thanks petn-randall, haha |
| 13:33.50 | jelly | buckworst: relatime has been default for a while (at least since Debian 9, maybe earlier), no need to set it. You can see active mount options in output of command "mount" |
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| 13:37.51 | buckworst | thanks jelly! other than using relatime mount option (which apparently has been set by default since kernel 2.6.30) and enabling fstrim.timer (which has been enabled out of the box on debian 10), is there anything else you recommend me to do to optimise ssd performance? |
| 13:37.56 | Akuw | how can i configure a local apt sources, i have all packages in my computer |
| 13:38.30 | jelly | buckworst: that's probably good enough for casual workstation use |
| 13:38.55 | jelly | I don't even have a timer, just run it manually every couple months |
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| 13:39.58 | buckworst | understood, thanks buddy! much appreciated |
| 13:40.28 | jelly | what I do have is about 10-15% SSD completely unallocated and never used |
| 13:41.30 | buckworst | oh, now that you say it, i probably forgot to leave that space unallocated |
| 13:41.59 | buckworst | during the installation process i simply went with what the guided partition thing decided for my machine |
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| 13:44.58 | buckworst | is it alright though? i'm wondering if it affects anything |
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| 13:56.02 | nvz | the thing I wonder is, how you know if your ssd even knows what to do with that |
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| 13:56.21 | nvz | or if you're just doing it assuming it knows what to do with it |
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| 14:19.02 | mikejw | hi |
| 14:19.34 | mikejw | I'm removing the www-data user from the system then adding it again with "useradd -u 1000 -s /bin/bash -m www-data" |
| 14:19.49 | mikejw | this means the user has the desired user and group ids |
| 14:20.00 | mikejw | however crontab and reading mail with mutt stops working |
| 14:20.15 | mikejw | anyone have any ideas what's going on? thanks! |
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| 14:21.07 | themill | I imagine there are several things that don't like the idea of having two users with the same id |
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| 14:22.25 | mikejw | themill is there a better approach? |
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| 14:22.53 | themill | What are you trying to achieve? |
| 14:23.04 | mikejw | www-data with userid and groupid of 1000 |
| 14:23.34 | mikejw | because I'm using docker volumes |
| 14:24.11 | themill | I have no idea what that means other than anything that assumes particular users have a particular userid is pretty broken |
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| 14:26.13 | mikejw | I think I've noticed file permission issues unless the docker user was the same as the host admin user |
| 14:26.29 | mikejw | in terms of ids |
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| 14:30.47 | mikejw | also I don't see there being duplicates relating to ids when catting /etc/passwd (after the operation) |
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| 14:38.40 | ThePendulum | hi |
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| 14:48.14 | petn-randall | mikejw: Your approach is faulty, it's better to fix whatever is broken instead of breaking your system. |
| 14:48.18 | nvz | ThePendulum: not yet, but we're working on it |
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| 14:52.50 | boktan | hi how can i determine sms gateway? |
| 14:55.36 | jelly | boktan: that is not a standard function in Debian, it will depend on your software and your environment. |
| 14:55.59 | jelly | maybe you wanted to ask in a different channel, this is #debian |
| 14:56.18 | boktan | with sending sms to email works i think but not have MMS option |
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| 15:04.14 | _xs | Hello, I'm working on a little project called tmlist to parse sparsebundle plist, I'm using CliRunner from click.testing to test my cli utility and I would have some questions |
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| 15:05.39 | _xs | I'm doint sys.exit(2) when the script have to quit, but... the tests are stopping after that |
| 15:06.27 | _xs | Let me show you my error and my code, the error states "E SystemExit: 2" which is expected |
| 15:06.32 | _xs | https://bpaste.net/show/HSQPU |
| 15:06.49 | _xs | the full code is here: https://framagit.org/xsgb/tmlist/blob/master/tmlist/tmlist.py#L46 |
| 15:06.53 | jelly | _xs: are you sure #debian is the optimal channel for this, maybe a python channel would be better? |
| 15:06.58 | _xs | ooooh |
| 15:07.04 | _xs | i'm so sorry |
| 15:07.10 | _xs | thanks |
| 15:07.16 | jelly | np, it happens |
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| 15:07.21 | _xs | ;-) |
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| 15:08.24 | ThePendulum | nvz: you are working on greeting me? |
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| 15:09.37 | nvz | ThePendulum: no, thats for social channels.. I was making a joke you didnt get. |
| 15:11.09 | ThePendulum | correct |
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| 15:15.05 | jelly | it wasn't just him not getting it! |
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| 15:16.07 | ThePendulum | I assume it is either one of them funny cigarette jokes, or there's a debian project named hi-something |
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| 15:16.50 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 15:16.50 | dpkg | * helo makes hosts a+rw and moves on |
| 15:17.26 | ThePendulum | anyway, I have a headless NAS running Debian 10 and several times a week it completely freezes up. I have absolutely no clue why and I was hoping for some tips what to look for. I checked syslog and I don't see anything abnormal right before it stops logging, maybe you do https://gist.github.com/ThePendulum/4aa7c25c755ab4bebe765f110db801fc |
| 15:19.02 | Akuw | i am trying to install one package and got can't read /etc/vsftpd.conf: No such file or directory |
| 15:20.08 | soul-d | 25 20:01:09 floppy smartd[2325]: Device: /dev/sdh [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 209 to 203 |
| 15:20.08 | soul-d | Nov 25 20:01:09 floppy smartd[2325]: Device: /dev/sdi [SAT], 448 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors |
| 15:20.08 | soul-d | Nov 25 20:01:09 floppy smartd[2325]: Device: /dev/sdi [SAT], 448 Offline uncorrectable sectors |
| 15:20.16 | soul-d | something is dieing |
| 15:20.34 | soul-d | your hdd probably acorind to the first smart stuff |
| 15:21.02 | soul-d | i had a hd reach around 500+ uncorrectable sectors before it realy died |
| 15:21.08 | ThePendulum | yeah I've got a dying seagate in there that needs replacing once I have the money. do you reckon that could lock up the lot though? |
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| 15:21.34 | jelly | yes. |
| 15:21.40 | ThePendulum | I figured considering it's managed by zfs and it's aware of the issues it would also kind of prevent it from blowing the whole thing up |
| 15:21.41 | soul-d | yes i blew a ssd earlier this year by blasting data from m.2 device |
| 15:21.47 | ThePendulum | in particular because the OS isn't on there |
| 15:21.48 | jelly | remove it from array and unplug it if you can |
| 15:22.03 | ThePendulum | it's on its own at least |
| 15:22.07 | soul-d | went 2gbs for sec then froze and then ssd died :D |
| 15:22.17 | soul-d | and coulnd even boot |
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| 15:22.30 | jelly | zfs does not deal with drivers being stuck on hardware responses |
| 15:22.32 | ThePendulum | the reason I didn't think much of it is because it reports issues on /dev/sdi throughout the day and just carries on |
| 15:22.36 | SwedeMike | ThePendulum: depending on what kind of drives you have, it can take a long time for the drive to return an error and during that time, reads are not progressing. |
| 15:23.01 | soul-d | i could not boot with the device attacehed indeed do to driver lvl msgs |
| 15:23.03 | ThePendulum | but I guess at some point something else tries to access it and fails, samba perhaps |
| 15:23.17 | soul-d | so not mounting it or stuff doesnt help |
| 15:23.52 | soul-d | best is to just power it off while you get new hd |
| 15:24.15 | SwedeMike | ThePendulum: you should replace sdi asap. That many pending sectors is a sure indication that something is seriously wrong with it. |
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| 15:25.39 | ThePendulum | suppose I could transfer the files to the 6TB WD Red for now |
| 15:26.20 | soul-d | i hope the smart temperature is not in celcius lol dint even see that but even a value from 0-255 would not make sense :P |
| 15:26.21 | jelly | but they're all pending, rewriting them might still lower the count |
| 15:26.27 | soul-d | Temperature_Celsius changed from 209 to 203 |
| 15:26.33 | soul-d | never seen a hd be 200c |
| 15:26.34 | jelly | that's a raw value |
| 15:26.35 | soul-d | lol |
| 15:26.46 | ThePendulum | yeah that is reported as celcsius but that is almost certainly not correct |
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| 15:26.51 | ThePendulum | or I'd have a puddle of hard disk on the floor |
| 15:27.17 | ThePendulum | hottest disk I have in there is 36°C |
| 15:27.40 | jelly | ThePendulum: there's an alternative smart tool, binary only download but sometimes interprets attributes better. |
| 15:27.48 | jelly | !hdsentinel |
| 15:27.49 | dpkg | A gratis but closed source <SMART> client with slightly more user-friendly output than <smartctl> and ability to read more USB devices than smartctl. Binaries for x86 and ARM at http://www.hdsentinel.com/hard_disk_sentinel_linux.php |
| 15:28.23 | ThePendulum | I generally use hddtemp to get temperatures which works quite well |
| 15:28.23 | SwedeMike | "194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0002 216 216 000 Old_age Always - 30 (Min/Max 24/41)" this is from a WD drive, so if the raw values are fairly the same then it's not a problem. |
| 15:28.32 | ThePendulum | but for other values that might come in handy too |
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| 15:28.40 | SwedeMike | ThePendulum: can you pastebin the information from smartctl -a /dev/sdi ? |
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| 15:30.08 | ThePendulum | https://www.pastery.net/dhksaw/ |
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| 15:31.55 | ThePendulum | wonder why that raw temperature value shoots off by as much as it does, atm it's looking fine for that disk |
| 15:32.18 | ThePendulum | for /dev/sdc that is, sdi is all kinds of shafted |
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| 15:36.51 | nvz | idk but thats why folk recommend hdsentinel cause smart values are often enough incorrect with smartctl |
| 15:37.45 | SwedeMike | ThePendulum: I'd ditch that drive asap. |
| 15:38.13 | ThePendulum | unfortunately a replacement is quite costly but I've got a 6TB almost entirely free, this one is 4TB but only 1TB in use |
| 15:38.21 | nvz | free software is often designed to spec and manufacturers don't often do the same.. so either it takes a lot of trial and error or you need someone getting paid to patch over where the manufacturer didn't do things right :P |
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| 15:38.39 | ThePendulum | and I mean, the whole machine has 66TB left... I should be able to get rid of 1TB somewhere lol |
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| 15:39.50 | ThePendulum | wonder if the 6TB WD Elements still contain WD Reds, or if they have the white EMAZ drives now too. that other 6TB WD Red came from a WD Elements |
| 15:40.08 | SwedeMike | ThePendulum: they're typically whitelabel drives nowadays. |
| 15:40.32 | ThePendulum | I got that Red elements about 1½ years ago I think, probably indeed EMAZ now as well |
| 15:41.24 | ThePendulum | should be fine putting them in a z2 pool together anyway |
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| 15:46.02 | ThePendulum | alright, back-up in progress |
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| 15:46.42 | ThePendulum | curious if this is actually the problem |
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| 15:48.03 | ThePendulum | think I'll still pick up one of these https://www.highflow.nl/modding/power-switches/silverstone-remote-wireless-power-and-reset-switch-sst-es02-usb.html |
| 15:48.38 | ThePendulum | inevitably going to go offline due some random reason at some point, and the NAS is under our main staircase opposite our basement staircase, and I have to let down a drawbridge to get to it haha |
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| 15:59.31 | ThePendulum | "Hold down the Alt and SysRq (Print Screen) keys" - "While holding those down, type the following in order. Nothing will appear to happen until the last letter is pressed: REISUB" |
| 15:59.40 | ThePendulum | how many hands do they have o_o |
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| 16:03.40 | jelly | ThePendulum: you do the r, e, i, s, u, b in sequence, pressing and depressing each one at a time |
| 16:04.00 | ThePendulum | yeah I just read a clarification of that. doesn't seem like my keyboard can do that unfortunately |
| 16:04.09 | jelly | !pal ThePendulum |
| 16:04.09 | dpkg | points at ThePendulum and laughs |
| 16:04.27 | ThePendulum | I am pleased there is a command for that |
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| 16:05.02 | jelly | you can also echo characters into /proc/sysrq-trigger if you still have a working root shell |
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| 16:45.17 | hanasaki | which kernel parameter in .config compiles in an option to avoid this issue" Spectre V2 : Spectre mitigation: kernel not compiled with retpoline; no mitigation available!"? |
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| 16:51.48 | neredsenvy | How can I search for a package in all my sources listed under /sources.list.d |
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| 16:52.49 | neredsenvy | I know the package is named something like traf(something something)gen1 |
| 16:53.46 | mtn | neredsenvy: use your favorite package manager |
| 16:53.58 | neredsenvy | apt ok but how |
| 16:54.03 | neredsenvy | apt search does not list it |
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| 16:54.32 | mtn | neredsenvy: do a better search? maybe you have the wrong name? etc. |
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| 16:55.10 | mtn | neredsenvy: if you use a gui, try synaptic |
| 16:55.20 | neredsenvy | terminal |
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| 17:19.31 | g0zzy | NetworkManager seems to be easily confused. I installed Buster with Ethernet and no desktop at first. After installing task-mate-desktop i then deleted /etc/network/interfaces (remembering vaguely that NM can butt out if it finds that in use) . After reboot i expected it to invite my wifi connection to be made. Nothing. It seems to know nothing of wifi. How can i make it known? |
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| 17:21.34 | petn-randall | g0zzy: Is it listed when you run 'ip addr' or 'ifconfig'? |
| 17:22.09 | g0zzy | Shall check |
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| 17:25.13 | g0zzy | No! Rtl8821CE is the nic |
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| 17:26.19 | gvth | Hi; can please someone post me command line (with find or something) to show the say 100 largest files on a filesystem or in a directory? |
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| 17:28.59 | g0zzy | Try |
| 17:29.00 | g0zzy | find . -maxdepth 1 -type f -ls | sort -n -k 7 | tail -n 100 |
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| 17:31.24 | bluewizard | if it is just a directory and not the whole filesystem, ls has -S to sort by file size (largest first according to the man page) |
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| 18:53.37 | Big_Aziz | hi |
| 18:53.54 | _DeLa_ | Zotero from https://www.zotero.org/download/ is installed in /opt/zotero and can open hyperlinks via a simple mouse click in an external webbrowser. PyCharm Community from https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/download/ is installed in /opt/pycharm-community and when trying to open a hyperlink via a simple mouse click, I get an in-programm alert-box saying "/home/myuserfolder/http://hyperlink.com" file or directory not found". What |
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| 18:56.55 | jhutchins | ,v zoltero |
| 18:56.56 | judd | No package named 'zoltero' was found in amd64. |
| 18:57.06 | jhutchins | ,v pycharm |
| 18:57.07 | judd | No package named 'pycharm' was found in amd64. |
| 18:57.51 | g0zzy | petn-randall: Thanks for prompt. Had to get and install the driver |
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| 18:58.14 | _DeLa_ | jhutchins: yes, they are not from the official repositories, I know that. But one works in this scenaria and the other doesn't |
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| 19:00.43 | jhutchins | _DeLa_: Not being Debian sofware we don't have any resources to help you troubleshoot, but in the browser's "applications" page you might find how it's supposed to pass the URL you're clicking on. |
| 19:01.31 | jhutchins | _DeLa_: You'd have to seek support directly from whichever project you're having trouble with. It's likely to be a mailing list or an online forum rather than irc. |
| 19:01.39 | _DeLa_ | jhutchins: could it be an issue with file permissions? |
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| 19:01.58 | _DeLa_ | browser is FF btw |
| 19:02.00 | jhutchins | _DeLa_: Not from what you've said so far. |
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| 19:03.35 | _DeLa_ | jhutchins: thanks for your suggestions! |
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| 19:04.45 | _DeLa_ | jhutchins: btw the same issue not only happens with Pycharm but also with Rambox (https://github.com/ramboxapp/community-edition/releases/tag/0.7.2 ) which is also installed under /opt/rambox |
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| 19:05.11 | pfred1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.46 | _DeLa_ | pfred1: hm? |
| 19:06.31 | pfred1 | _DeLa_ pfred1@five:/opt$ du -h 4.0K. |
| 19:07.33 | _DeLa_ | pfred1: sorry, me noob, no understand |
| 19:08.12 | pfred1 | _DeLa_ that's inode size |
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| 19:10.24 | whislock | pfred1: You seem to be having a different conversation. |
| 19:10.48 | pfred1 | whislock a few |
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| 19:11.31 | whislock | pfred1: Please direct what you say to the right person to avoid confusion. |
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| 19:12.00 | pfred1 | whislock I'll see what i can do there tiger |
| 19:12.03 | _Fremen_ | hello everyone |
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| 19:13.35 | whislock | pfred1: Its quite simple. I doubt you have much of an issue if you try. |
| 19:13.57 | _Fremen_ | I have a NAS on my network that I can connect to with windows easily, however, Debian does not see it. I have found many different tutorials online but they advice different things, can you help about which one I should follow or what should I do in general? |
| 19:14.35 | pfred1 | whislock I'm going to have no issue putting you on my iggy list that's for sure kthanksbye |
| 19:15.10 | pfred1 | here's to better living through hostmask technology |
| 19:18.11 | annadane | how can i remove firefox-esr without it installing epiphany? this is a machine set up with the xfce tasksel |
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| 19:21.33 | nvz | annadane: it installs epiphany automatically? doesn't just suggest removing a metapackage? |
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| 19:21.55 | annadane | it removes firefox-esr and installs epiphany and like 15 other packages |
| 19:22.09 | nvz | annadane: my thought is if its not giving you the option of just letting the metapackage pulling it in, be removed.. perhaps use equivs |
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| 19:22.49 | annadane | remind me to never use the installer desktops ever again |
| 19:22.53 | nvz | annadane: if you're not familiar with equivs, its fairly simple you give one command to make a control file, modify it to taste, then another to build a fake package |
| 19:23.17 | nvz | just make it either provide firefox-esr or www-browser or w/e it is it wants |
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| 19:25.29 | tekcap | Could someone help me with a new Debian install, please. Fresh install of Debian Buster using KDE Plasma. `lspci -k` gives me 01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GP107M [GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Mobile] (rev a1) - Driver :Nouveau //////// The issue is not being able to connect HDMI to my laptop and have it connect to external monitor |
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| 19:29.40 | section1 | tekcap, xrandr show you two screens ? |
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| 19:31.13 | tekcap | @section1 nope, only have 1 option even in xrandr |
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| 19:31.19 | tekcap | arandr* |
| 19:31.28 | nvz | tekcap: I've had machines where they'd work with open drivers and without firmware, but for more advanced stuff like multihead and audio out, they needed firmware or official drivers |
| 19:32.00 | nvz | tekcap: the Radeon R2E in my HP t520 thin client for example will only do one output with no audio over hdmi without the firmware |
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| 19:32.26 | tekcap | @nvz I'm not sure how to install the official driver, I probably have to remove the "nouveau" one and install the nvidia official one, but I have no idea how to do this |
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| 19:32.59 | nvz | I haven't used nvidia in a long time, but its probably simple as installing nvidia-driver |
| 19:33.13 | nvz | also stop putting @ in front of nicks, thats not a thing on IRC |
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| 19:33.43 | friendofafriend | Hello. I'm running Buster and there's some program I'm using with a dep on libcurl3. When it runs, I see: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4: version `CURL_OPENSSL_3' not found (required by ./program) |
| 19:33.46 | nvz | its a social media convention that means something entirely different here and doesnt cause someone to be highlighted unless they have specific highlighting ruls |
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| 19:33.48 | section1 | yeah try that package in non-free repo |
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| 19:34.32 | u_u | Question about debian, I saw that debian is a stable version so if a new version is up, should I reinstall debian or can I upgrade from my actual debian ? |
| 19:35.11 | nvz | friendofafriend: is it a deb package with a dependency line? or just something you compiled or something? |
| 19:35.23 | section1 | u_u, you can update from your actual debian |
| 19:35.44 | sony__ | hi all |
| 19:36.33 | section1 | u_u, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade |
| 19:36.40 | friendofafriend | nvz: It's some pre-compiled binary thing that included no source. |
| 19:37.02 | annadane | i think i may just reinstall with no desktop and manually add xfce4 |
| 19:37.05 | annadane | this was a dumb idea |
| 19:37.33 | nvz | friendofafriend: ah, well you may not be able to use it then, if they have a strict dependency on that.. which is stupid.. I doubt libcurl3 has anything libcurl4 doesnt.. try just symlinking |
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| 19:38.11 | nvz | friendofafriend: ln -s /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.3 |
| 19:38.40 | Habbie | symlinking .so versions is terrible advice |
| 19:38.51 | jhutchins | v libcurl3 |
| 19:38.56 | jhutchins | ,v libcurl3 |
| 19:38.57 | judd | Package: libcurl3 on amd64 -- jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u11; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u16; stretch: 7.52.1-5+deb9u9; stretch-security: 7.52.1-5+deb9u9 |
| 19:38.58 | nvz | yeah, well so is using binaries with strict deps |
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| 19:39.02 | Habbie | and putting @ in front of nicks is fine, people were doing that long before social media was a thing |
| 19:39.19 | Habbie | nvz, agreed :) |
| 19:39.28 | nvz | no, its not fine.. it doesn't highlight me, and it indicates a usermode in irc |
| 19:39.39 | jhutchins | annadane: Why? |
| 19:39.57 | jhutchins | Oh, firefox dependency. |
| 19:39.58 | nvz | in social media its a user tag, it causes the person to be alerted.. it doesnt do that on irc, it causes people to think you're stupid and talking to an op |
| 19:40.12 | annadane | the tasksel is also just too much bloat in general |
| 19:40.14 | section1 | lol |
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| 19:40.48 | nvz | I'd have to make a special rule with a regex to recognize @nvz and not openvz or other things |
| 19:40.54 | nvz | cause @nvz isnt my nick |
| 19:40.57 | annadane | the only thing about apt install xfce4 i'm not a fan of is it not installing xfce4-terminal by default; i don't like xterm |
| 19:41.03 | sony__ | does anyone know with distro you suggest no or less tracking, no surveillance? thanks |
| 19:41.09 | annadane | this one |
| 19:41.10 | friendofafriend | nvz: That didn't do anything. libcurl is there, it seems like there was some security concern which led to libcurl4 not behaving like libcurl3. |
| 19:42.00 | section1 | make a debian 7 bootstrap and run the program inside that chroot |
| 19:42.06 | friendofafriend | I see there's lots of people with the same problem, and I don't see any fixes. Is there some way to install it from Stretch? |
| 19:42.07 | nvz | friendofafriend: well then it has a strict dependency on libcurl3 so you will probably have to provide that manually or in a chroot |
| 19:42.08 | sony__ | *which |
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| 19:42.38 | friendofafriend | "In a chroot" here meaning...? Have another install of Debian? |
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| 19:43.02 | nvz | friendofafriend: yes, using debootstrap.. you'll need base plus any and all deps of the program |
| 19:43.13 | section1 | s/debian 7/debian 9/ |
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| 19:43.33 | nvz | friendofafriend: or just manually fetch the libcurl3 from stretch off a mirror and drop the so file somewhere |
| 19:43.38 | friendofafriend | I might as well not even run Buster, then. Is there a build of libcurl3 from another repo I could use? |
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| 19:43.55 | nvz | ,depends libcurl3 |
| 19:43.56 | judd | No package named 'libcurl3' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 19:44.05 | nvz | ,depends --release stretch libcurl3 |
| 19:44.07 | judd | No package named '--release' was found in stretch/amd64. |
| 19:44.15 | nvz | blah blah blah |
| 19:44.31 | nvz | afaik its rather light.. ssl, c.. |
| 19:44.42 | section1 | yeah |
| 19:44.47 | nvz | the thing is your strict dependency probably is on the ssl part |
| 19:44.49 | section1 | or grab the src deb and compile |
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| 19:45.10 | nvz | which means libcurl3 compiled against buster ssl isnt gonna work either |
| 19:45.11 | jhutchins | friendofafriend: Did you try the symlink? |
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| 19:45.25 | nvz | which means you'd have to compile openssl too |
| 19:45.31 | section1 | oh |
| 19:46.23 | sony__ | does anyone know? |
| 19:46.23 | friendofafriend | jhutchins: Yes, but it's not a problem with libcurl not being found, but "version `CURL_OPENSSL_3' not found" in the library. |
| 19:46.37 | nvz | ,depends stretch libcurl3 |
| 19:46.38 | judd | No package named 'stretch' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 19:46.48 | nvz | ,depends |
| 19:46.49 | judd | (depends <packagename> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the packages that are listed as 'Depends' for a given package. By default, the current stable release and amd64 are used. |
| 19:47.01 | section1 | sony__, maybe tails. |
| 19:47.07 | nvz | ,depends libcurl3 --release stretch |
| 19:47.08 | judd | Package libcurl3 in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.17), libcomerr2 (>= 1.01), libgssapi-krb5-2 (>= 1.14+dfsg), libidn2-0 (>= 0.6), libk5crypto3 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libkrb5-3 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7), libnghttp2-14 (>= 1.12.0), libpsl5 (>= 0.13.0), librtmp1 (>= 2.4+20131018.git79459a2-3~), libssh2-1 (>= 1.7.0), libssl1.0.2 (>= 1.0.2d), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4). |
| 19:47.34 | nvz | it has no strict dependencies |
| 19:47.36 | friendofafriend | That's really the pits. It looks like the change to libcurl has broken a lot of software and there's any number of people griping about it. |
| 19:48.06 | nvz | yeah well people should either update their damn software or ship their libs.. |
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| 19:48.45 | nvz | you can use the ssb method to forward port from oldstable |
| 19:49.05 | nvz | but as I said if the strict dependency is due to one of libcurl3's deps.. then you need to pull that too |
| 19:49.11 | friendofafriend | I wish Debian just provided the library even if there's an ideological concern over it. It sure beats breaking stuff. |
| 19:49.24 | nvz | cause libcurl3 will likely happily compile with buster's deps as it has no strict deps.. |
| 19:49.26 | friendofafriend | I guess this is related to security somehow. |
| 19:49.40 | jhutchins | friendofafriend: It's not ideological, it's security related, with live explloits. |
| 19:49.45 | nvz | but if that black box software depends on something specific that libcurl3 is dependant on.. |
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| 19:51.27 | friendofafriend | jhutchins: Right, but that's just some maintainer trying to "protect users from themselves" as it were. |
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| 19:51.47 | nvz | you'd have to comment out any and all deb-src lines, and leave just a deb-src for stretch, and a deb line for stretch (for build-deps) apt update, apt build-dep libcurl3, apt -b source libcurl3 |
| 19:52.03 | sony__ | nvz: thanks for answering, ssb is a bit difficult tu use to me or my wife, don't you know other distro? |
| 19:52.08 | nvz | leaving all your normal buster deb lines of course |
| 19:52.49 | nvz | sony__: I don't even know what you're talking about.. the conversation we're having here is about some binary friendofafriend has dependant on libcurl3 |
| 19:53.19 | nvz | sony__: we're all ignoring you, cause you come to #debian asking about other distros.. |
| 19:53.30 | nvz | thats not something we specialize in here |
| 19:53.46 | friendofafriend | I'm pretty sure this is just #858398? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=858398 |
| 19:53.47 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/858398 in curl (closed, buster, experimental, sid): «curl: Please migrate to openssl1.1 in Buster»; severity: serious; opened: 2017-03-21; last modified: 2018-07-11. |
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| 19:54.12 | nvz | sony__: debian already takes the kinds of precautions you mention, and we're all happy enough with the precautions debian takes.. or we wouldnt be debian users here supporting debian |
| 19:54.12 | friendofafriend | So could I install libcurl from sid? |
| 19:54.39 | nvz | libcurl in sid is still gonna be libcurl4 |
| 19:54.54 | nvz | libcurl3 was dropped after stretch |
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| 19:55.18 | nvz | you'd have to compile the stretch source if you want libcurl3, or the upstream source |
| 19:56.09 | nvz | though.. with all loose >= deps, as long as all those deps still exist in buster you could probably even just install that package |
| 19:56.16 | friendofafriend | nvz: I don't really understand what the user would have to do to fix it, and if you see a clear path it'd help quite a few people with the issue. |
| 19:56.22 | sony__ | nvz: ok,let me clarify, I am asking about debian distro or even other unix/linux distro safest to run internet without tracking nosurveillance |
| 19:56.45 | nvz | sony__: and we're still not interested.. we understood you the first time |
| 19:56.46 | sony__ | hope it's clear |
| 19:57.03 | nvz | sony__: debian maintainers have already taken steps to remove various phone home things from our browsers and such |
| 19:57.20 | nvz | if you wanna talk general linux crap, go to ##linux, this is #debian, we only talk about debian |
| 19:57.44 | nvz | we all recommend debian here.. thats as far as that conversation goes |
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| 19:58.59 | sony__ | nvz: ok, thank you, you're very helpfull. I'll see elsewhere where I can find peple who has more time to loose. |
| 19:59.03 | nvz | we don't however take any steps to stop users bad habits online.. which ultimately is the only solution |
| 19:59.37 | nvz | with the most advanced, every smart person on the planet focused effort, you still are totally naked and vulnerable if you do dumb shit |
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| 20:00.08 | nvz | your question on its face is silly.. you're looking for an _installation_ of security.. there is no such thing |
| 20:00.29 | nvz | information/computer security is not an object you put in place.. its an ideal, you practice, audit.. etc |
| 20:01.28 | g0zzy | Trying to get exim to send me a mail via smarthost on startup. Only problem is that DNS doesn't seem to be 'ready' so the mail gets frozen or stalled. |
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| 20:01.30 | nvz | someone with more time on their hands, more concerned with compromising you than you are with stopping them always wins |
| 20:01.36 | g0zzy | Any ideas? |
| 20:02.36 | nvz | g0zzy: sounds like something maybe #systemd could help with.. as the issue seems to be making sure all the right stuff is up and running before you do it |
| 20:02.59 | nvz | you just need a service that makes sure all that is good to go before attempting to send the email |
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| 20:04.32 | g0zzy | Yes i know what you're saying but that can get unexpectedly complex |
| 20:05.17 | nvz | thats why I suggested #systemd, cause thats where they get into the complex uses :P |
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| 20:06.36 | ws2k3 | https://puu.sh/EJHEp/debef47721.png does this mean a disk got kicked out of the soft raid array? |
| 20:09.59 | nvz | ws2k3: that'd be more meaningful to someone who could see your block layout.. the raid printout shows sda in there, and the gist of it seems to be complaining about a specific uuid a swap device.. |
| 20:10.03 | nvz | lsblk -o NAME,UUID,TYPE,MOUNTPOINT |
| 20:10.16 | nvz | lsblk -o NAME,UUID,TYPE,MOUNTPOINT | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 20:11.52 | nvz | I'd also look for other messages in the journal related to that device |
| 20:12.58 | ws2k3 | nvz https://puu.sh/EJHKP/4772bcbeaa.png this is on the server that is broken. i have a second identical server which exacly the same setup. and that looks like this https://puu.sh/EJHLv/2e1a5a2a4f.png i think i should readd sda3 into the array? |
| 20:13.30 | nvz | that doesn't help much as you didnt list the uuids and the errors are using uuid |
| 20:13.31 | g0zzy | nvz: tbh i did try a systemd service before and it never quite worked. Can't quite remember why not. I'm using gmail as smarthost. I was thinking maybe using the IP address for smtp.googlemail.com but of course that's not good |
| 20:14.26 | nvz | g0zzy: yeah.. not a good idea at all.. you just need a service to have it wait until everything is up |
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| 20:15.25 | ws2k3 | nvz working machine https://puu.sh/EJHNj/75306a0bb5.png broken machine https://puu.sh/EJHOk/c8282a95f8.png |
| 20:15.44 | ws2k3 | nvz unfortunaly no internet on the box so i have to do it over screenshots |
| 20:15.56 | nvz | g0zzy: if its too cumbersome of a problem, go back to the beginning and try a different approach.. like using a WOL utility to see if the host is up from another machine or something |
| 20:16.13 | g0zzy | This is the little service i tried before http://sprunge.us/fVTJad |
| 20:16.53 | ws2k3 | nvz also on the working box there is sda3 sdb3 and sdc3 into md0 in the broken box only sdb3 and sdc3 so my guess is that i should add sda3 on the broken box |
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| 20:18.51 | nvz | ws2k3: yes, thats sda2 its talking about, and the link down and such is indicating the drive is failing somehow.. possibly a bad cable |
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| 20:19.26 | nvz | could be a power cable or a sata cable most likely |
| 20:19.35 | fly_agaric | hello guys I have a otrs ticket system installed on debian 10 server and my problem is that otrs fetches mail with the fetchmail binary. fetchmail does not get mail from microsoft exchange 2010 server because of a suspected tls version missmatch. |
| 20:19.37 | ws2k3 | nvz also it shows https://puu.sh/EJHTo/d15eeffed2.png |
| 20:20.04 | ws2k3 | nvz so i guess i have to check if i can readd it? |
| 20:20.31 | fly_agaric | is there a fetchmail binary for debian which does use tls 1.0 instead of tls 1.2? |
| 20:20.36 | nvz | ws2k3: you need to first check your cables would be my suggestion.. if this is the only problem you have, the cables are the first most likely problem.. |
| 20:20.59 | nvz | if you have other issues, it could be a PSU failing, but if not, and the cables are all good.. the drive is dying |
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| 20:21.30 | nvz | I'd swap out the data and power cables with a different disk to be sure.. if that disk starts failing with the cables you swapped instead of sda.. then you know thats the problem |
| 20:22.21 | nvz | if you swap cables and it all works.. it was just a lose connection :P |
| 20:22.40 | ws2k3 | nvz thats already been fixed |
| 20:22.55 | ws2k3 | nvz motherboard was replaced |
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| 20:23.32 | g0zzy | Thanks nvz. Shall do some thinking |
| 20:23.44 | ws2k3 | nvz should i just readd the disk then? |
| 20:24.19 | nvz | shrugs |
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| 20:25.30 | nvz | if I'm following the latest developments correctly you're saying the original errors were in fact a bad motherboard (last thing I'd have checked), then yeah, you just need to get that disk back in the array |
| 20:26.07 | nvz | but what you originally asked looked to me like a disk was going offline.. and probably a cabling issue.. if thats been solved, then yeah, just toss it back in the game |
| 20:26.08 | davidl33 | I have a system where Thunderbird has stopped working. $HOME is on NFS, server is Debian 8 "Jessie" (can't upgrade further because of an old CPU), affected system was revcently upgraded to Debian 10 "Buster". When I try to start Thunderbird, it displays a message-box "Your Thunderbird profile cannot be loaded. It may be missing or inaccessible", |
| 20:26.08 | davidl33 | and prints an error "Error: Access was denied while trying to open files in your profile directory." to the console. I've rebooted both client and server since the issue started; tried starting with "-P" to choose a different profile; and tried moving "~/.thunderbird" or "~/.local/cache/thunderbird" out of the way. None of that helps, still the |
| 20:26.09 | davidl33 | same message. Known issue, or any suggestions? |
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| 20:35.36 | nvz | my first suggestion is, its a holiday in the US where its currently mid day.. and you should stick around long enough for people to unbusy themselves and respond :P |
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| 20:40.42 | annadane | oh so that's why greycat isn't here |
| 20:41.35 | teclo- | yeah |
| 20:41.40 | teclo- | it's Thanksgiving up there |
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| 20:42.35 | annadane | "why did you cut the turkey like that?! *plonk*" |
| 20:42.35 | teclo- | they're stuffing themselves with Turkey |
| 20:42.50 | teclo- | annadane: well... |
| 20:43.41 | nvz | idk but I get the feeling someone wasn't totally forthcoming with what they actually did to this machine |
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| 20:46.49 | nvz | all I got was they knocked it off a table, and now it doesnt come on.. I figured maybe they busted the backlight or something.. but first off the hdd is missing, so somoene already took it apart.. and secondly the power light on the mobo comes on, the power button lights up.. I even saw the fan move but there is no voltage getting to the disks.. this isnt something likely to happen due to a fall |
| 20:50.02 | teclo- | there's that one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8pnec4Hxps |
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| 20:50.43 | teclo- | you know that chick didn't know Turkey is a country |
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| 20:51.26 | nvz | hmm.. seems to all be working now.. and I have no explaination :P reseating the ram, clearing cmos, etc did nothing.. all I did between it being dead and coming on was check the voltage on the power cord.. |
| 20:51.31 | sponix | So, is OpenShot a decent video editor ? I can't get DaVinci Resolve to run for the life of me |
| 20:52.20 | nvz | I typically use kdenlive but I saw openshot did have a few cool features like native multihead support |
| 20:53.45 | ThePendulum | I have tried openshot several times and I am baffled to hear anyone suggest it next to kdenlive |
| 20:53.46 | pfred1 | sponix which version should i download? |
| 20:54.05 | ThePendulum | kenlive is miles ahead of any of them, at least in usability |
| 20:54.16 | pfred1 | sponix plain or studio? |
| 20:54.21 | nvz | yeah that was my assessment.. it kdenlive was simplest to use |
| 20:55.12 | sponix | pfred1: I was doing the Free plain version. |
| 20:55.14 | pfred1 | lordy I'm going for plain I got no idea what they're talking about with these extra features |
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| 20:55.58 | Joit | i boycott anything from kde since some hyperparanoids are there now |
| 20:56.04 | sponix | ThePendulum: I have several say kdelive is the way to go. I hate having the extra kde libs, but whatever :) |
| 20:56.05 | pfred1 | wait a minute they need my phone number? |
| 20:56.34 | ThePendulum | I don't have any strong feelings about KDE one way or the other as long as it's not my DE, maybe I should? |
| 20:57.10 | sponix | pfred1: lol, either just put in a fake one, or I can mirror the download for you |
| 20:57.30 | sponix | pfred1: will take me less than 2 minutes to copy it over to my web server downloads |
| 20:57.45 | pfred1 | sponix OK |
| 20:57.59 | pfred1 | sponix I'll see what libs it needs to run or what have you |
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| 20:59.44 | sponix | http://sponix.tk/Downloads/DaVinci_Resolve_16.1.1_Linux.zip |
| 21:00.22 | sponix | pfred1: ldd /opt/resolve/bin/resolve -- was showing that it had all libs found that it needed last time I checked :) |
| 21:00.45 | sponix | pfred1: I tried it both with the script that makes it into a .deb -- and without |
| 21:01.01 | pfred1 | sponix let me see that's in the zip file |
| 21:01.47 | pfred1 | sponix eta 1m 40s |
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| 21:02.09 | nvz | shoots sponix |
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| 21:02.23 | sponix | http://sponix.tk/Downloads/HowToBasic/resolve.output.log |
| 21:02.33 | sponix | pfred1: yeah, my UP speed isn't all that good |
| 21:02.49 | pfred1 | sponix it's amlost here half a minute to go |
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| 21:02.54 | nvz | oh, .tk is not Turkey apparently |
| 21:03.17 | ThePendulum | it's some islans isn't it |
| 21:03.22 | sponix | nvz: could be... lol ... I got it for free |
| 21:03.26 | ThePendulum | tokelau |
| 21:04.02 | nvz | guess I'll have to find dinner elsewhere |
| 21:04.12 | ThePendulum | off the coast of new zealand, everyone had a .tk domain when I got into webdev haha |
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| 21:05.27 | pfred1 | sponix let's see if this stuff will let me install in my home directory |
| 21:05.54 | sponix | pfred1: full Disclosure.. I'm not a n00b, been doing Linux for over 30 Years. And my install is actually MX, not pure Debian. Only under the hood variation I have from Debian right now though is SysVinit vs Systemd |
| 21:06.17 | sponix | pfred1: No, it will prompt for root pass if you launch as a normal user without sudo vs local in home install |
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| 21:06.40 | pfred1 | sponix yeah i got that far with it |
| 21:07.19 | lupine | N00b detected |
| 21:08.20 | nvz | pkexec is probably a more suitable modern means of running GUI apps on a linux desktop than sudo |
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| 21:09.41 | pfred1 | sponix it really doesn't give the option to run in place does it? |
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| 21:11.48 | pfred1 | oh what the hey I'll install it |
| 21:11.48 | sponix | pfred1: nope |
| 21:12.07 | pfred1 | I'm normally against this sort of thing but I've been thinking about upgrading anyways |
| 21:12.14 | sponix | pfred1: yeah, the install process isn't my issue at all |
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| 21:12.26 | B|ack0p | hi |
| 21:12.50 | sponix | pfred1: it is pretty self contained in /opt though -- think it might toss a few libs in /usr/lib64 or such not 100% on that |
| 21:14.48 | pfred1 | sponix I installed it now I'll see what I've got |
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| 21:17.34 | pfred1 | sponix I can see this stuff doesn't like to run |
| 21:18.00 | sponix | pfred1: I will be in and out, but always logging :) |
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| 21:18.33 | sponix | pfred1: for sure, let me know or even send me a /msg if you figure something out. I'm pretty stumped, and that doesn't happen often |
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| 21:22.01 | pfred1 | sponix from what i can gather on the net we're in large company if not good company this stuff seems to crash for everyone |
| 21:23.04 | sponix | pfred1: I even went back to my prior version I had working on Mint (Ubuntu 18.04 base) -- same crash routine |
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| 21:23.53 | pfred1 | sponix yeah I straced the program and found the crash log so far nothing obvious is jumping out at me |
| 21:24.08 | pfred1 | write(2, "OpenCL error -1001: 'Unspecified"..., 146) = 146 |
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| 21:25.20 | sponix | pfred1: See that is where the Nvidia 435 was suspect, but I'm now Nvidia 418 stock, with Kernel 4.19 stock also |
| 21:25.50 | pfred1 | sponix yeah I'm on stretch with the nvidia driver so 340? |
| 21:25.52 | sponix | pfred1: but come to think of it... I was on a higher Nvidia version than 435 when I had it going on Mint |
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| 21:27.06 | pfred1 | sponix that could be it the readme was bagging about video drivers |
| 21:27.12 | sponix | pfred1: If I _knew_ 100% it was Nvidia related -- Hell, I'd just rip that card out and put my 580 in there |
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| 21:28.36 | Schwarzbaer | Hi. I seem to be unable to find an official guide for upgrading from buster to bullseye. |
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| 21:29.18 | pfred1 | sponix if I was dying to get this stuff to run that's what I'd pursue |
| 21:29.18 | sponix | pfred1: will Debian take an Ubuntu PPA ? And if it does, will it blow my rig up ? |
| 21:29.53 | pfred1 | sponix it is hard for me to say there |
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| 21:30.00 | pfred1 | not how I'd go |
| 21:30.12 | sponix | pfred1: screw it, after we eat in a bit, I'll purge Nvidia and do the AMD Card.. See what that does for me :) |
| 21:30.25 | pfred1 | sponix you're probably better off |
| 21:30.50 | pfred1 | yeah apt-get purge nvidia* |
| 21:32.01 | pfred1 | sponix may want to save your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
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| 21:34.46 | pfred1 | sponix I did manage to get Cinelerra to build and run over here |
| 21:34.47 | sponix | pfred1: ... Dude .. I got it !!!!! |
| 21:35.06 | pfred1 | oh yeah? what's the secret? |
| 21:35.07 | sponix | pfred1: needed one extra nvidia package -- you lead me to it with the strace man :) |
| 21:35.15 | pfred1 | ah ha |
| 21:35.26 | sponix | pfred1: the ocl on 435 was bunk, but it did take the older one bundled with 418 :) |
| 21:35.43 | pfred1 | well congratz |
| 21:36.01 | sponix | I did a synaptic search on "418" and found the nvidia list, saw a main ocl portion wasn't installed |
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| 21:38.28 | pfred1 | sponix yeah mine isn't installed either |
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| 21:40.34 | pfred1 | sponix ha ha it is running here too! |
| 21:42.15 | sponix | pfred1: congrats.. I gotta yet do the 16.1.1 installer -- I have 16.04Beta something right now :P |
| 21:42.23 | sponix | but a win is a WIN IMHO |
| 21:42.49 | pfred1 | sponix yeah that -1001 error code is no platform found |
| 21:43.26 | pfred1 | I installed nvidia-libopencl1 and it runs |
| 21:44.05 | sponix | pfred1: oddly enough, I don't think that is the same one that made it go for me |
| 21:44.28 | pfred1 | they need better dependency listing in their readme |
| 21:44.36 | sponix | pfred1: I'll double check after I get done doing 16.1.1 with dpkg |
| 21:44.57 | sponix | pfred1: well, ldd said it was all good to hook, didn't list anything unresolved |
| 21:45.11 | sponix | pfred1: I should have thought of the stack trace though :) |
| 21:45.32 | pfred1 | sponix yeah I didn't see anything bad in ldd either |
| 21:45.48 | pfred1 | the strace lead me to the crash report |
| 21:46.14 | pfred1 | but I didn't scroll down far enough on the webpage to see what that code meant |
| 21:46.17 | sponix | well running it in console and what it spit out, had me no where in the right ball park for sure |
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| 21:46.49 | pfred1 | yeah strace is cool |
| 21:47.34 | pfred1 | I see why they don't let you run in place it is all hard coded lib locations |
| 21:48.40 | nvz | the same reason why there is closed source.. cause its so atrocious they dont want you to see it :P |
| 21:48.55 | pfred1 | nvz yeah well... |
| 21:49.11 | pfred1 | open sores can be a can of worms too |
| 21:49.19 | sponix | pfred1: what you installed, I assumed would be a dep of what I installed -- BUT, it wasn't lol --> https://i.imgur.com/nItXGbP.png |
| 21:49.23 | sponix | pfred1: That was my fix |
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| 21:50.11 | pfred1 | sponix I did an aptitude and it pulled in a bunch of packages |
| 21:50.22 | pfred1 | 8 I think? |
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| 21:50.26 | sponix | nvz: I installed kdenlive also -- they can compete for what is best :) |
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| 21:50.57 | pfred1 | try Cinelerra if you can get it to build and run |
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| 21:51.28 | nvz | sponix: I'd installed em all at one point.. kdenlive was the simplest to do fancier stuff. there was one I think it was pitivi that was a bit simpler but I found only really suitable for basic stuff |
| 21:51.31 | sponix | a little editing will just be me as a hobby. I'm doing some video guides for the Mint n00bz |
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| 21:52.08 | nvz | sponix: I found vokoscreen and screenkey to be very useful for those kinds of things |
| 21:52.25 | sponix | pfred1 nvz : http://sponix.tk/Downloads/HowToBasic/ |
| 21:52.36 | nvz | sponix: one of the many software projects I'm procrastinating against is making a better screen recorder |
| 21:52.54 | sponix | nvz: OBS does just fine for me |
| 21:53.15 | nvz | my idea is that you dont want something that just records the framebuffer to video for doing howtos for software |
| 21:53.24 | sponix | pfred1: feel better having it working, took me a whole OS re-install to get back down to Nvidia 418 |
| 21:53.39 | pfred1 | sponix from my notes it looks like I got the goodguy build of Cinelerra to work |
| 21:53.47 | nvz | you want it to record the events, and other metadata so you can put in a toc index and such |
| 21:54.09 | nvz | more easily edit out nonsense |
| 21:54.59 | ThePendulum | nas crashed again... really hope pulling out that seagate does the trick |
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| 22:42.35 | ThePendulum | thanks for your help. if that disk wasn't the problem I'm sure I'll be back :P |
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| 23:28.33 | Gassisy | hello together, which Debian package do I need for GCC arm 32 toolchain? |
| 23:28.57 | Gassisy | Error: CROSS_COMPILE_ARM32 not defined or empty |
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| 23:39.51 | nvz | Gassisy: https://wiki.debian.org/ToolChain/Cross |
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