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| 00:08.11 | kreyren | i'm using `#include <sys/capability.h>` in my C lang file.. What should i install on debian to satisfy this dependency? |
| 00:08.24 | kreyren | assuming `linux-libc-dev:amd64: /usr/include/linux/capability.h` doesn't seem to work |
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| 00:10.02 | gordonfish | linux/capability.h wont match #include <sys/capability.h>, those are two different paths (parent directories) |
| 00:10.40 | gordonfish | That's probably a different header (different purpose) with the same filename |
| 00:10.53 | kreyren | ah true thansk |
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| 00:34.07 | jaggz | sometimes I use tor to access a url given to me by someone online, that I'm concerned might be to collect my ip... |
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| 00:35.03 | jaggz | my recent tor runs, then says it was updated, and that I need to restart, then apparmor seems to block it: apparmor="DENIED" operation="mknod" profile="torbrowser_plugin_container" name="/dev/shm/org.mozilla.ipc.###.##" pid=1628 comm="firefox.real" |
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| 00:37.08 | jaggz | looks like I removed my tor repo .. nevermind for now, testing updating that |
| 00:37.13 | jaggz | https://wiki.debian.org/TorBrowser#Debian_10_.22Buster.22 |
| 00:38.32 | jaggz | ok good.. the apparmor profiles were fixed :) |
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| 00:40.42 | nvz | I think pretty much all webservers other than mine collect your IP.. heh |
| 00:40.54 | nvz | I dont have any connection based logging on mine |
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| 00:43.30 | xcd\x80 | hi, I'm a little confused..just installed debian on a desktop w/ cinnamon & I'm not getting any signal output from my soundcard. It's a soundblaster Z and aplay -l shows it as card #2 device 0 which asla.conf shows defaults.pcm.card 2 |
| 00:43.31 | xcd\x80 | defaults.pcm.device 0, aslamixer doesn't show anything muted, mute output is off under the sound icon on the task bar and the output device is configured under sound blaster Z headphones which is what my speakers are connected to, and they're powered on and receiving signal. Not sure where to go from there. https://gyazo.com/12470fb4ee4e2c97f83188cb7d33998f - selected proper output device |
| 00:43.46 | nvz | Mathisen: I have various installs with full package lists and disk usage and such available online |
| 00:44.04 | nvz | Mathisen: http://iamcowhearme.mooo.com/buster/ |
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| 00:45.22 | Mathisen | nvz, thanks the 248 packages in the base install is what i was after |
| 00:45.34 | jaggz | well, everyone gets your IP; but someone specifically trying to get yours is different |
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| 00:46.41 | nvz | Mathisen: the "standard" is when you select standard system utilities, the base is when you select nothing at all |
| 00:46.53 | Mathisen | i know that |
| 00:47.06 | Mathisen | what im after is base.. and it would be nice with a meta package for this |
| 00:47.48 | nvz | Mathisen: I should probably automate the process, but I build VMs and record that data for just such cases where people want a clearer idea of what they're getting |
| 00:47.54 | nvz | !de usage |
| 00:47.54 | dpkg | methinks de usage is The HDD/RAM of the 7 DE on Stretch: GNOME 4.2G 726M, KDE 4.1G 604M, Cinnamon 3.7G 482M, MATE 3.1G 215M, LXQt 3.1G 184M, LXDE 3.0G 180M, XFCE 2.9G 226M. For Buster usage, package lists, and screenshots of the same see http://iamcowhearme.mooo.com/buster |
| 00:48.08 | nvz | I first just made that factoid, then for buster I made the site.. |
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| 01:10.23 | xcd\x80 | yikes, my onboard is just outputting gray noise o.o |
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| 01:36.21 | alphazulu | anyone know what could be responsible for choppy video? using Intel HD Graphics 5500 with modesetting driver. |
| 01:37.45 | ahi2 | browser? |
| 01:38.02 | alphazulu | ahi2: using smplayer or vlc |
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| 01:38.23 | sponix | alphazulu: Debian 10 ? |
| 01:38.32 | alphazulu | also experiencing audio latency in videos. |
| 01:38.48 | alphazulu | sponix: bullseye |
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| 01:39.50 | alphazulu | just wonder if setting AccelMethod to some value might make improvement |
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| 01:40.55 | allizom | alphazulu: which is the video format of the file you are playing? (not container format) |
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| 01:42.24 | alphazulu | avi container with xvid format and fodivx codec |
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| 01:43.31 | sponix | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_graphics#SNA_issues |
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| 01:44.22 | alphazulu | sponix: not using the xorg-intel driver. using the modesetting driver which is much better performance (at least on several benchmarks I tested) |
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| 01:44.35 | un214 | How do I set group owner of my cd devices? |
| 01:44.52 | sponix | alphazulu: lol, that is likely most of your issue then :) |
| 01:44.55 | un214 | the wiki recommends trying to edit a line that is autogenerated |
| 01:45.31 | alphazulu | sponix: according to multiple sources the modesetting driver is what should be used. |
| 01:45.43 | sponix | un214: most likely add your user to the "disk" group if there is one, it is easier to add your user to another group, than to change the ownership on the device itself |
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| 01:46.20 | alphazulu | sponix: e.g. https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/5b2m4g/xorg_modesetting_vs_xf86videointel_driver/ |
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| 01:46.32 | sponix | alphazulu: use your multiple sources to figure out why you have choppy video then. OR, try the Intel one, with that tweak and see how it does :) |
| 01:46.34 | un214 | for some reason cdroms aren't in the same group as all other removable media |
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| 01:46.50 | sponix | reddit vs the Arch wiki -- Seems legit :) |
| 01:47.10 | sponix | might as well go by YouTube and Facebook |
| 01:47.29 | alphazulu | sponix: ok guess i'll give it a try. thanks! |
| 01:48.01 | notconnected | how would you resume with dd? i know about 'seek' but know how to properly use it. dd shows: 14198+0 records in, 14197+0 out |
| 01:48.17 | notconnected | so which one should i choose for seek? |
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| 01:50.33 | TESTED123 | hello |
| 01:50.40 | TESTED123 | im having problems with mail |
| 01:50.43 | TESTED123 | from mailutils |
| 01:50.48 | TESTED123 | i get |
| 01:51.01 | TESTED123 | Cannot open mailbox /root/Maildir: Is a directory |
| 01:51.12 | TESTED123 | but i can access my normal user maildir |
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| 01:53.10 | notconnected | any idea? |
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| 01:54.25 | TESTED123 | yes it is trying to access maildir as a file rather than a directroy because its maildir format |
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| 02:13.31 | sponix | notconnected: just start over :) |
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| 02:19.08 | sponix | TESTED123: you are using "mailx" ? |
| 02:19.14 | TESTED123 | nope |
| 02:19.21 | sponix | try that |
| 02:19.24 | TESTED123 | hold on |
| 02:19.32 | TESTED123 | yep same thing |
| 02:19.34 | TESTED123 | thought so |
| 02:19.39 | TESTED123 | i did try it but forgot |
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| 02:22.35 | TESTED123 | i think that mailx and mail are the same files :) |
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| 02:23.02 | TESTED123 | nope |
| 02:23.10 | TESTED123 | etc/alternatives/mailx |
| 02:23.11 | TESTED123 | :) |
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| 02:25.37 | ramon_ | window close |
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| 02:26.12 | sponix | mailx always worked for me, but that was like 2001 on FreeBSD or something :P |
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| 02:28.56 | TESTED123 | lol |
| 02:28.57 | TESTED123 | :)) |
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| 03:34.07 | TESTED123 | why doesn't tree comes included in the default installation of debian |
| 03:35.01 | annadane | because the seeds weren't planted |
| 03:35.10 | TESTED123 | :) |
| 03:35.25 | annadane | more generally it's probably because it's not needed |
| 03:35.32 | annadane | debian tries to be minimal by default |
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| 03:35.50 | annadane | not as much as void, but... |
| 03:36.20 | TESTED123 | good to know :) we can always install other stuf |
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| 03:39.16 | annadane | now, tree may or may not come in the cd/dvd |
| 03:39.21 | annadane | this is why you enable popcon |
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| 03:39.38 | annadane | but you don't need tree to have a system run and it can always be installed yourself |
| 03:39.50 | Unit193 | popcon is also useful to tell devs "hey, this package is actually useful!" |
| 03:40.21 | annadane | it was only until very recently that i kept it off |
| 03:40.24 | annadane | now i've started using it |
| 03:40.55 | TESTED123 | let me google for popcon |
| 03:40.57 | TESTED123 | :) |
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| 03:41.22 | annadane | google will probably just say "did you mean popcorn?" and ignore your search |
| 03:41.27 | annadane | and send you to amazon to buy it |
| 03:41.27 | TESTED123 | :) |
| 03:41.55 | TESTED123 | lool |
| 03:41.57 | TESTED123 | hehehe |
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| 03:43.01 | annadane | the netinst directly asks you if you want to enable it or not |
| 03:43.07 | annadane | but if it's not enabled it can just be installed |
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| 03:52.36 | Unit193 | popularity-contest is a package that reports what packages you have installed, and tries to report if they're actually used or not. It has a unique identifier, but other than that it is anonymous. It uses the identifier to update your old reports, basically. |
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| 03:56.51 | alphazulu | odd. used to have to set audio delay in videos to -200. now it's set to +100 |
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| 03:58.37 | RoyK | alphazulu: vlc? |
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| 04:00.40 | RoyK | alphazulu: if so, you probably pressed j/h - typical issue for vim users :D |
| 04:01.11 | alphazulu | RoyK: it is deliberatly set to that value. smplayer |
| 04:01.39 | RoyK | sorry - dunno about smplayer |
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| 04:03.40 | RoyK | I just thought of vlc increasing/decreasing audio delay by increments of 50ms with h/j, which are keys quite often used in vim, so sometimes I tend to press them during playback, temporarily messing things up a bit |
| 04:03.55 | alphazulu | omg something's drastically wrong with mpv engine |
| 04:04.16 | RoyK | mpv? |
| 04:06.07 | alphazulu | !tell RoyK about mpv |
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| 04:10.34 | RoyK | alphazulu: thanks |
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| 04:53.46 | un214 | anybody up for a long debugging session? It seems like it's time to find out why systemd hates my machine so much |
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| 04:58.44 | sponix | un214: Debian 10 ? |
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| 04:59.03 | un214 | yup |
| 04:59.24 | un214 | installing systemd results in can't mount /home |
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| 04:59.41 | damo22 | how do i build a deb with an existing source tree, ie i dont want to fetch a tarball because its already ready to apply patches |
| 04:59.52 | un214 | but using sysvinit, mount -a works just fine |
| 05:00.16 | damo22 | -nc works, but it doesnt apply any of the debian/patches |
| 05:00.33 | un214 | in fact if I take over the boot sequence with init=/bin/sh, mount -a works just fine |
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| 05:21.22 | isnice | hello |
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| 05:32.58 | EdePopede | how do i create the EFI partition in the installer? |
| 05:33.14 | EdePopede | or is it better to avoid EFI completely? |
| 05:33.38 | un214 | I use legacy boot, but I can't think of any real advantage to do so |
| 05:33.47 | un214 | I think it boils down to use what you know. |
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| 05:35.20 | EdePopede | can't remember what it was in particular, but reading the web left back the impression that efi only has advantages (maybe besides being a horror to install) |
| 05:37.15 | un214 | on Windows, you need it for big disks |
| 05:37.21 | un214 | but that's Windows specific. |
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| 05:37.42 | damo22 | there is a MBR limit on 2TB disks |
| 05:38.09 | un214 | ah yes damo22, but I can boot a GPT disk with legacy BIOS just fine |
| 05:38.15 | EdePopede | i got 10 home on the other disk, isn't even attached atm. for clean installs only the stick with the installer and the disk to be sacrificed |
| 05:38.16 | damo22 | right |
| 05:38.23 | un214 | /boot has to be in the first 2TB or so though |
| 05:38.41 | damo22 | its because 2^32*512 = 2TB |
| 05:38.53 | EdePopede | i placed everything relevant at the start of the list. the disk has 1TB only anyway |
| 05:38.54 | damo22 | you can only store 32 bits wide the sector count |
| 05:39.15 | damo22 | in the partition table |
| 05:39.28 | EdePopede | even restarted just to place efi and boot at the start, but now it just doesn't see any efi partition |
| 05:39.55 | EdePopede | !efi |
| 05:39.55 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI |
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| 05:40.39 | babaganoosh | ah i finally installed debian |
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| 05:42.42 | babaganoosh | what a pain |
| 05:42.50 | EdePopede | the wiki page seems to be mostly theory. and looks like efi has to be installed from the shell |
| 05:43.34 | EdePopede | babaganoosh: indeed. efi or legacy? |
| 05:43.57 | babaganoosh | i use efi booting |
| 05:44.23 | EdePopede | my installer can't see any efi partition |
| 05:44.58 | babaganoosh | is there one on the drive |
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| 05:45.27 | EdePopede | what do i know, i recreate everything, it was MBR until now |
| 05:45.46 | EdePopede | didn't find any "create efi partition" entry in all the dialogs |
| 05:46.18 | EdePopede | argh |
| 05:46.20 | EdePopede | found it |
| 05:46.27 | EdePopede | 1 in 20 or so |
| 05:46.35 | babaganoosh | very good then |
| 05:46.53 | EdePopede | nice, now it also says ESP |
| 05:47.07 | babaganoosh | what says that |
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| 05:49.41 | EdePopede | efi system partition i think (in the fstype column) |
| 05:49.45 | babaganoosh | does anyone know of a list of the programs that are installed with the first DVD iso - preferably organized into categorie somehow |
| 05:50.50 | EdePopede | the packages available on the disk? there should be a packed text file with them |
| 05:51.31 | EdePopede | would check, but the images are out of reach atm |
| 05:52.19 | babaganoosh | wow....pardon my ignorance |
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| 05:59.20 | babaganoosh | i have yet to see a file in the iso with a list of th eprograms |
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| 06:04.50 | oerheks | lists of all the isos https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-dvd/ |
| 06:07.19 | EdePopede | does it make any difference if i choose the kernel with or without the version number in its name? |
| 06:08.31 | babaganoosh | thanks for that, oerheks .....i had looked throughout the debian.org site but missed that |
| 06:09.35 | themill | EdePopede: linux-image-amd64 has a dependency on the linux-image-$(uname -r) package so having it installed helps you with upgrades |
| 06:11.00 | EdePopede | ah, that thing. then i'll better keep the selection. though not sure when i'll upgrade it. not even sure if and how i'll change the networking here (atm this pc connected to the internet, y nada mas :D) |
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| 06:11.47 | themill | "upgrades" includes security updates fwiw |
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| 06:12.34 | babaganoosh | i am happy i got it to install at all |
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| 06:16.45 | babaganoosh | the hd-media based installation will not read an iso on unusual filesystems |
| 06:16.53 | EdePopede | themill: originally that Lenovo came with Wwin10Home, atm the only drives attached are the installer and the new home for Buster. having not used a windows pc for more than a decade now, not even sure when that XP had been connected to the internet for the last time, it feels like placing a cat in the middle of an Autobahn (you know, those things without any speed limit) |
| 06:17.30 | EdePopede | so for the moment that PC is as safe as it can be, i have to make some plans first. |
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| 09:21.55 | ozfalcon | I have had deb-multimedia setup and want to check which packages have been installed from there. (I'm not sure I need it anymore but want to check) |
| 09:22.21 | ozfalcon | Is there any way to list packages showing their install repo? |
| 09:24.54 | ozfalcon | is there some way to "apt show" all installed packages |
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| 09:28.00 | Unit193 | ozfalcon: You can use `apt list`, Synaptic can also list by origin, or apt-forktracer can generally show non-Debian packages. |
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| 11:35.06 | f8e3 | do notebooks charge the bios batterys eg lenovo? |
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| 11:44.37 | oo_miguel | my wacom tablet came with a wireless receiver I can plug into one of my usb ports. I wonder if this uses bluetooth and if yes If I can use it as a generic bluetooth adapter. any suggestions how to find out? |
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| 11:53.35 | RoyK | some use bluetooth, most don't |
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| 11:56.29 | EdePopede | so what is this "EFI removable media path" why does it exist and how does it solve problems i may or may not have and what new problems will it make or maybe not?`and should i use it or not? |
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| 11:58.12 | EdePopede | it seems it is not even *mentioned* in the install docs, but it should, since a dialog asks for a user decision for using it or not. |
| 11:58.28 | oo_miguel | RoyK: ok thank you |
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| 12:03.14 | EdePopede | i partition the disk, i install the base software, i select the software, i install it... i wait... i wait... i install grub and BAM! "boot via EFI? buddy, this could cause SERIOUS TROUBLE!" ... "oh wait there's a workaround for this named @¼ŧ¤%"%(wait wot?)"... "WARNING!!! with this workaround you may not be able to boot some other system you MAY have anymore" |
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| 12:11.23 | EdePopede | i don't plan (things may change) to install windows on this disk (10 has its own, should i reactivate my XP it would be purely virtual). may still happen with other linuxes or BSDs or whatever may look interesting. no idea if EVERYTHING would work in a VM. |
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| 12:13.12 | EdePopede | but if that's the only thing keeping me from not having to know what's going on... even google came up with only 4 pages which really isn't much. |
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| 12:15.09 | EdePopede | including this discussion how to even *translate* that fantastic new word (2nd entry has the original text) https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=debian-l10n-german@lists.debian.org&q=subject:%22Re%3A+%5BRFR%5D+po-debconf%3A%2F%2Fgrub2%2Fdebian%2Fpo%2Fde.po%22&o=newest&f=1 |
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| 12:23.40 | ingvix_ | Hey, do you have any tips on how to get previously external but now internal hdd to work? Mount is giving me the basic "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock..." error. I'd really wish to not format it again as I copied terabyte worth of data to it before this |
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| 12:25.06 | ingvix_ | or if you know more suitable chan for this sort of issue, I'm all ears |
| 12:25.18 | EdePopede | ingvix_: i did this at some point, for historical reasons i had my linux (not sure if debian during that period) sysdisk in an USB adapter box. implanted it later when this was over and it worked. |
| 12:25.40 | EdePopede | ingvix_: how do you try to mount it? by some UUID, label, /dev/sdX path? |
| 12:26.55 | ingvix_ | EdePopede, in fstab it's UUID but right now I'm in emergency mode and tried to mount it with /dev/sdX |
| 12:27.46 | ingvix_ | UUID didn't appear and it timed out and latter gave me that error |
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| 12:29.08 | ingvix_ | I faced similar issue when I moved the hdd from usb adapter to another but then I was free to format it again as it was still empty and that solved it |
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| 12:30.58 | EdePopede | ingvix_: can you see from `ls /dev*` if it is the correct disk? |
| 12:31.08 | EdePopede | err... ls /dev/sd* |
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| 12:33.47 | EdePopede | ingvix_ : file -s /dev/sd$whatever ## should give you some info on the partition.. as an example > /dev/sdd8: Linux rev 1.0 ext4 filesystem data, UUID=c375a15f-052a-4929-95f7-268ab005083e (needs journal recovery) (extents) (64bit) (large files) (huge files) |
| 12:35.50 | ingvix_ | EdePopede, it is. I checked it from "fdisk -l" |
| 12:36.16 | EdePopede | ingvix_: so it is definitely the correct device? |
| 12:37.53 | ingvix_ | EdePopede, yes, it's the only one with 4.6tb in the system anyway |
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| 12:39.01 | EdePopede | does `file -s` from above give you the UUID? here everything is fine and i have no idea where it takes it from. |
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| 12:39.31 | ingvix_ | no, there's no UUID |
| 12:39.45 | ingvix_ | the system is not recognizing it correctly, I think |
| 12:40.36 | EdePopede | btw, this error... i know it from loop mounting images of thumbdrives (some have a partition table, some don't, and you never know in advance at what offset the data starts) |
| 12:41.31 | EdePopede | ingvix_: did you try to mount it from the shell with all necessary options by circumventing fstab? i mean the usual 'mount WHAT WHERE HOW' |
| 12:42.58 | ingvix_ | EdePopede, not the "HOW" part |
| 12:43.30 | EdePopede | ingvix_: you may need it, at least the fs type |
| 12:43.46 | EdePopede | the options from fstab should work |
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| 12:45.35 | EdePopede | oh. Ts'o bricked his thinkpad with EFI three times? i hope that's a problem only of the particular models, and thinkpad and thinkcentre aren't THAT similar :| |
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| 12:55.06 | ingvix_ | EdePopede, how exactly do I give the options in mount command? I got this in my fstab: UUID=97aed245-ece6-42b9-9550-96b7e09202db /mnt/data ext4 loop,rw 0 0 |
| 12:57.00 | ingvix_ | would it be just "mount -t ext4 -o loop,rw /dev/sda1 /mnt/data? |
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| 12:57.24 | EdePopede | loop? you need it for images, but this is a normal partition on a disk i guess |
| 12:59.06 | EdePopede | ingvix_: removing the loop options may solve it |
| 12:59.22 | ingvix_ | oh, I don't really even know what those options mean. I think I just copied them from somewhere when I was first adding stuff to fstab |
| 12:59.27 | ingvix_ | I'm no expert in this |
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| 13:01.30 | EdePopede | ingvix_: with loop you can mount images you created from devices. like a debian ISO you can download from their site. no need to write it to a stick, just loop mount the image file somewhere and it behaves like a CD you've inserted (including that you can't write to it, but that's a ISO9660 speciality, would be possible for FAT or extfs) |
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| 13:02.36 | ingvix_ | EdePopede, it didn't |
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| 13:03.37 | ingvix_ | I don't think the problem is just that small that some option change can fix it. Like, shouldn't there be an UUID for all drives the system identefies correctly? |
| 13:03.41 | EdePopede | ingvix_: windows needs (needed?) some thirt party program to do the same. was popular i think amongst gamers so they didn't have to keep the CD in the drive anymore all the time (of course there was copy protection, but did anyone care at any time?) |
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| 13:04.13 | EdePopede | ingvix_: indeed. what does /dev/disk contain? any subdirectories then? |
| 13:04.17 | ingvix_ | I mean it didn't fix the problem |
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| 13:05.09 | ingvix_ | EdePopede, by-id by-partuuid by-path by-uuid as I have other drives connected as well |
| 13:05.30 | EdePopede | if your disk is sda right now, any symlinks in /dev/disk/by-uuid pointing to /dev/sda*? |
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| 13:05.57 | EdePopede | ah so the by-foo system works generally, only not for this particular disk? |
| 13:06.05 | ingvix_ | yes |
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| 13:09.02 | ingvix_ | journalctl also says that EXT4-fs can't find ext4 filesystem |
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| 13:09.40 | EdePopede | dmesg has no hints or that systemd log thing, whatever it is called? |
| 13:09.41 | EdePopede | ah :) |
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| 13:10.42 | EdePopede | 30.11 13:39:31 <ingvix_> no, there's no UUID <-- did it mention a fs type then? |
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| 13:12.34 | ingvix_ | No, /dev/sda1 says only "data" while /dev/sda tells about DOS/MBR boot sector and so on |
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| 13:13.15 | EdePopede | uh. "finish installation". NOW(!!!) i'm asked about UTC or not. really should happen when the installer wants to know about my language, keyboard and location.... |
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| 13:14.32 | ingvix_ | also lists the partition like this: partition 1 : ID=0x83, start-CHS (0x0,4,5), end-CHS (0xe0,41,63), startsector 256, 1220942390 sectors, extended partition table (last) |
| 13:14.34 | lord_rob | Hi! I was interested to install debian on chinese mini PC to make Kodi Players or game consoles. Would it be ok with only 4GB of RAM ? (I can't see models which have have more RAM on gearbest...) |
| 13:16.08 | Smither | Hey, I'm having issues with installing nvidia drivers onto my debian desktop. I'm running Buster 10.2 with contrib and non-free sources. Trying to install just the nvidia-driver package. The issue I'm having is that nvidia-kernel-dkms won't configure and so the install won't complete properly. I have tried completely uninstalling and reinstalling the driver package, as well as resetting Xorg, and my kernel version matches the |
| 13:16.08 | Smither | nvidia module version (5.3.0-0). But I have no idea on where to start debugging this issue. See The apt-get install log here -> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e6a9afea/ |
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| 13:16.48 | Joit | Smither: trynvidia-detect first? |
| 13:17.02 | EdePopede | ingvix_; fdisk -l, what does it say in the "type" column? |
| 13:17.32 | ingvix_ | EdePopede, "Linux" |
| 13:17.37 | Smither | nvidia-detect suggests the normal nvidia-driver package. I have a gtx-1080 so nothing overly new or ancient |
| 13:17.57 | Joit | Smither: i had some similar lately, did a *nvidia* -purge, then nvidia-detect and installed the suggested |
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| 13:19.20 | ingvix_ | I'm wondering if I should go with fsck.ext4 though it's going to take a while |
| 13:19.24 | Smither | Yeh, tried that. completely purged all nvidia, reverted to nouveou, did an update and dist-upgrade then installed nvidia-driver. Still doesn't configure |
| 13:19.27 | Joit | Smither: the packages itself support similar familys for the driver, like 304 is the same like 390, but 304 seems do not want to install again |
| 13:19.46 | Joit | Smither: did you a reboot after install it ? |
| 13:19.58 | Smither | yep several times |
| 13:21.29 | EdePopede | ingvix_: if you know that there should be one, maybe yes. not repairing should be faster and give a first idea |
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| 13:22.59 | ingvix_ | EdePopede, just confirming that it would be the -n parameter? |
| 13:22.59 | Joit | Smither: does your grapical enviroment load? |
| 13:23.06 | Smither | yes |
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| 13:23.28 | Joit | and what driver does it use ? |
| 13:23.45 | EdePopede | infernix: yep |
| 13:23.49 | EdePopede | argh. sry |
| 13:23.54 | EdePopede | ingvix_: yep |
| 13:24.10 | EdePopede | needs bigger gaps between the keys |
| 13:24.16 | Joit | and well, i did it during boot at the konsole, without loading x11 |
| 13:26.24 | Smither | Joit, not sure. This is output from lspci? https://paste.debian.net/1118650/ |
| 13:26.29 | EdePopede | ingvix_: and if you prefer manual work and have some hex viewer (mc has one, else hexdump would suffice) you could do something like > dd if=/dev/sda1 bs=64M count=4 of=/tmp/sda1.dd # header data starts at 0x400, i see the Label and some fs flags in clear text |
| 13:26.35 | Smither | snd_hda_intel |
| 13:26.54 | Smither | Joit, ^ no that's sound driver |
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| 13:29.25 | Joit | Smither: i had something similar with "Modules not match" .it was a left over dkms package seems. i solved it by apt remove *nvidia* -purge |
| 13:29.39 | Joit | then reinstalled the driver |
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| 13:30.13 | Smither | ok well I'll try an apt purge *nvidia* and then reinstall the nvidia-driver package and see where I get to |
| 13:30.16 | Joit | you can maybe try to find the dkms packages at synaptic, but purge it is the faster way |
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| 13:31.57 | ingvix_ | EdePopede, could this be a bad thing: Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/4096B? At least in my other drives they're both 512B |
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| 13:32.06 | ingvix_ | *could this be a bad thing? |
| 13:32.19 | ingvix_ | wait that |
| 13:32.21 | ingvix_ | *what |
| 13:33.01 | ingvix_ | ignore those^^^ |
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| 13:37.13 | Smither | Joit: just did a purge, autoremove, reboot then installed nvidia-driver. Same issue |
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| 13:38.54 | Joit | Smither: want go over this page ? https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-nvidia-driver-on-debian-10-buster-linux |
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| 13:42.16 | Joit | that problem i do see are the mismatching version of the dkms modules, the driver seems expect the one from the kernel version |
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| 13:43.10 | EdePopede | great. now it won't even boot from the fresh install -.- |
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| 13:43.22 | Joit | Smither: probatly that one is missing apt -y install linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 13:43.29 | EdePopede | back to the live system (which works fine in EFI mode btw) |
| 13:43.54 | Joit | o wait, there was another thing |
| 13:43.59 | Joit | i did |
| 13:44.11 | Joit | and that was choosing the driver |
| 13:44.20 | Joit | but the command was ... |
| 13:45.48 | ingvix_ | Should logical and physical sector be of same size in a hdd? |
| 13:46.04 | Smither | Joit: Linux headers are installed, just checked. |
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| 13:46.56 | Smither | Joit: I'm gonna give installing the drivers from the Nvidia site a go and see if I get any further |
| 13:47.00 | ingvix_ | partition also says the it's only 582gb though I made the partition cover the whole disk |
| 13:47.08 | Joit | try a sud update-glx --config nivida there pick your nvidia driver |
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| 13:47.34 | Joit | sudo update-glx --config nvida |
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| 13:49.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi guys i keep getting this error in my messages log |
| 13:49.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | Nov 30 08:00:01 gabrielle udev-acl.ck[8994]: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed |
| 13:49.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | Nov 30 08:00:02 gabrielle udev-acl.ck[9014]: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed |
| 13:50.54 | Smither | No Joit, didn't help :'( |
| 13:51.06 | Joit | you need to reboot after that |
| 13:51.19 | Joit | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.40 | Smither | Yep and yep. It said no changes so I wasn't hopeful. |
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| 13:52.00 | EdePopede | so, fdisk -l reports partition 1 as "EFI System", `ls -s /dev/sd*` sees a DOS/MBR boot sector, as it does for dev/sdb. now is this correct? wrong? why doesn't it boot and how to find out if it should? |
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| 13:56.03 | Joit | Smither: what do you have to choose between at sudo update-glx --config nividia |
| 13:56.48 | tomk0 | hi |
| 13:56.50 | tomk0 | I have a problem. I have a Linux MX 19. This is the Debian Stable version. I use LO quite often and I already have it configured. If there is a new update, can I install it on the old version or do I have to uninstall and only install the new version? |
| 13:58.08 | Smither | Joit it gave me no choice |
| 13:58.33 | Joit | Smither: but it shows you the nvidia driver for your card? |
| 13:59.47 | Joit | tomk0: updates only update some files from the system, but not the whole system, so it is mainly no problem |
| 13:59.52 | Smither | Yeh it said something like "only one option, Selecting foo" |
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| 14:00.45 | Joit | Smither: the other thing i did was some "on-the-fly" reinstalling the kernel, fist remove it, then re install it again, then reboot |
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| 14:01.07 | Joit | but dont remove end reboot, first, after you re installed it again |
| 14:01.17 | Joit | and reboot+ |
| 14:01.33 | Joit | that was a part to try to remove this bad dkms depnecies |
| 14:01.38 | Joit | depencies |
| 14:01.41 | Smither | Joit: ok I might try that. Just tried the Nvidia installer and it failed so I'm taking a read through the logs to see if that gives any clues |
| 14:02.09 | Joit | Smither: i think still the problmes are the mismatching modules |
| 14:02.32 | Smither | Ok sure |
| 14:02.35 | Joit | what blocks the installer to install the modules on the kernel |
| 14:02.45 | Smither | So reinstall kernel? |
| 14:03.50 | Joit | i have no other idea how to remove the "modules 5.3.0" |
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| 14:04.35 | Joit | what kernel do you have installed, 4.19? |
| 14:06.20 | Joit | uname -r ? |
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| 14:11.18 | Smither | 5.3 but just removed to 4.19 now. |
| 14:11.38 | Smither | So hopefully that might make a difference. Not sure why I had 5.3 installed |
| 14:12.17 | Joit | yes, same for me, i had a pretty new installation but had other modules installed |
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| 14:17.31 | EdePopede | wait, so what is this EFi thing now? |
| 14:18.29 | EdePopede | the MBR looks nearly as always, has the 55aa mark at its end, some non-zeros at 01c* (partition entry) but absolutely no boot code? |
| 14:18.54 | EdePopede | so the installer reboots before even installing something bootable? |
| 14:19.23 | xormor | EdePopede, https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/unified-extensible-firmware-interface/efi-homepage-general-technology.html |
| 14:19.37 | EdePopede | yes, i have that /EFI/debian directory on the EFI partition, but thats all |
| 14:20.10 | EdePopede | xormor: and this helps making the new buster bootable? |
| 14:20.43 | EdePopede | and yes, i know why it exists. to make hollywood and microsoft happy |
| 14:21.15 | EdePopede | no hd videos without cryptographically secured software and hardware, no execution of commercial software without "secure" boot |
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| 14:21.29 | ingvix_ | I gave up and just created a new partition and started copying stuff again, now the new hdd being internal to begin with |
| 14:22.02 | EdePopede | ingvix_. i *always* start from scratch. don't think i *ever* upgraded a system |
| 14:22.34 | EdePopede | installing debian on EFI looks completely broken here |
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| 14:24.40 | EdePopede | so if there's nothing executable in the MBR, what is the "bios" supposed to boot? |
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| 14:28.39 | ingvix_ | I never quite understood why do you need to create a file system with a differect tool after creating a partition. I guess it's just me being too use to handling partitions in Windows |
| 14:28.55 | ingvix_ | different |
| 14:28.58 | ingvix_ | * |
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| 14:29.06 | EdePopede | ingvix_: because there are multiple filesystems around |
| 14:29.33 | EdePopede | and it was microsoft borking it from the very beginning (yes, the birth of dos) |
| 14:30.12 | EdePopede | their operating systems always were ignorant on file systems they didn't use. even. win9x and nt |
| 14:31.12 | ingvix_ | When I was doing partitions first time with fdisk I was really puzzled when I couldn't just mount the partition after writing it in |
| 14:31.18 | EdePopede | ingvix_: it's like formatting a floppy. dos only knew about fat12, you had no chance to use something different. |
| 14:32.27 | EdePopede | partitioning only changes some entries to mark the partition layout. doesn't say anything (well kind of) about the partition's content |
| 14:32.55 | ingvix_ | The great power of choice is truly overwhelming |
| 14:34.04 | EdePopede | and even while you use a partition you can change its options. like i reduced the reserved area on some ext4 partitions from their original 5% (with 100s of GBs that's pretty much) |
| 14:34.19 | EdePopede | yep. and if you have one thing in linux, then it is choice ;) |
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| 14:36.05 | jaakkos | ingvix_: consider using gparted for more ... integrated experience |
| 14:36.21 | EdePopede | heh. must be like 30 years ago when a lot of people were for the very first time in west berlin to see all those things they could get in the markets. 20 different brands of coffee, 15 types of cereals, fruits from everywhere |
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| 14:37.35 | EdePopede | btw, what happened to cfdisk, sfdisk, and all the rest? are they ancient tools now like a fist wedge? |
| 14:38.43 | Smither | Joit It worked! Uninstalled kernel 5.3 and Nvidia successful installed the driver and module for 4.19! |
| 14:38.52 | Smither | Thank you |
| 14:39.16 | EdePopede | [BIOS vs EFI] may i have to change something in the bios? 9 live boots in both modes, and so does 10 installer. only the EFI installed buster doesn't like to get up |
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| 14:46.50 | Joit | Smither: Great! :) |
| 14:46.53 | EdePopede | and the root partition doesn't seem to have anything installed? just the bare directories it seems |
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| 14:47.25 | EdePopede | so where did all the files go to? took the system long enough to install packages |
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| 14:53.05 | ingvix_ | It seem not all sata2usb3 adapters are made equal. Take a good third party adapter and your previosly 7 hour transfer can be done in 3 |
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| 15:16.40 | EdePopede | 2nd try, guided this time, 1 partition only, again not bootable. |
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| 15:23.24 | EdePopede | now wth did the installer do with the partitioning scheme? i created new partitions only when it was lamenting. root, then asked for EFI, then for swap. now i see there's also a 1MB "biosgrub" amd it also assigned the rest to a single ext4. |
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| 16:00.30 | NewToMX | first time user of Hexchat.. I cannot seem to join channels that I want. Can someone help me figure it out? Im trying to get help with MXLinux so I foung ##MXlinux, but cannot get in the live room?? |
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| 16:01.07 | NewToMX | also, yes I did do /join #MXlinux and still cannot get in |
| 16:01.34 | whislock | NewToMX: Have you registered your nick with services? |
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| 16:02.01 | NewToMX | ? NO how do i do that |
| 16:02.05 | moistmoskito | so after a lot of google searching, when building qtwebengine from debian source i run into qt modules missing specificly qml-private quick-private, however qtdeclaratives5-dev is installed |
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| 16:02.33 | whislock | NewToMX: Be aware that MX Linux also doesn't really have an IRC presence. |
| 16:02.40 | whislock | NewToMX: You're going to want to rely on the forums. |
| 16:03.03 | loeken | ./msg nickserv help register |
| 16:03.10 | diogenes_ | moistmoskito, you need to build the whole thing. |
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| 16:03.36 | NewToMX | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.47 | postroutine | Hello. I try to boot a CentOS on an old Thinkpad Tablet 2. I can run grub, but right after selecting the installation method, the screen turn black and freeze. |
| 16:03.48 | postroutine | No error message. |
| 16:03.48 | postroutine | At this moment, the LED of the usb key stop to blink. |
| 16:03.51 | postroutine | I've searched informations on Internet, but I'm stuck. |
| 16:03.54 | postroutine | Any idea? |
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| 16:04.10 | whislock | NewToMX: #debian does not support MX Linux, unfortunately. |
| 16:04.30 | NewToMX | oh well, just my luck |
| 16:04.38 | diogenes_ | NewToMX, msg me. |
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| 16:05.32 | hejux | haha, kicked? why asking CentOS in #debian? |
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| 16:05.57 | whislock | He got kicked for the number of lines he typed in such a short timespan. |
| 16:06.16 | hejux | ohh, like pasting. |
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| 16:06.35 | whislock | postroutine: You're having a CentOS issue. #debian would seem to be a targeting error on your part. Try #centos. |
| 16:07.26 | moistmoskito | diogenes_: as in all of qtwebengine source? |
| 16:07.32 | hejux | postroutine: move your as* -> #centos |
| 16:07.34 | annadane | didn't you know? #debian is catchall support for everything including ubuntu, kali, centos, mx linux and windows |
| 16:08.11 | diogenes_ | moistmoskito, i will pastebin. |
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| 16:08.31 | postroutine | whislock: I got the exact same problem with debian (and ubuntu and fedora) |
| 16:08.52 | whislock | postroutine: No, you don't. Seek CentOS assistance in #centos. |
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| 16:11.15 | postroutine | whislock: Yes, I tested with Debian. I also asked on CentOS chanel for help with CentOS, and I asked on Debian channel for help with Debian. |
| 16:11.27 | whislock | 11:03 <postroutine> Hello. I try to boot a CentOS on an old Thinkpad Tablet 2. I can run grub, but right after selecting the installation method, the screen turn black and freeze. |
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| 16:12.53 | postroutine | whislock: Tried to boto on CentOS didn't mean I don't also tested with Debian. |
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| 16:13.12 | whislock | postroutine: Quoth the Borg, "Conversation is irrelevant." |
| 16:14.19 | postroutine | I'm here to ask about Debian, but was kicked before I can precise this point. |
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| 16:15.31 | NewToMX | Would just like to do a shout out to DIOGENES I have been working on a font problem A L L Night!.. He is the only person "including all my google searches" that could help me with my font problem. GREAT JOB My Friend. have a good day. |
| 16:15.44 | diogenes_ | moistmoskito, here is how last time i built it: http://dpaste.com/1AQWG5J |
| 16:16.02 | diogenes_ | build time about 7-8 hours on i7. |
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| 16:16.52 | NewToMX | ./msg nickserv |
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| 16:19.34 | NewToMX | ##MX-Linux |
| 16:19.51 | diogenes_ | NewToMX, /j ##MX-Linux |
| 16:22.03 | baba__ | hello...I have recently installed debian from the first DVD iso, but programs within it like w3m and smtube did not install....is that normal or did something go wrong? |
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| 16:28.27 | Copenhagen_Bram | Hello! Is there a way to find which package contains a certain file? |
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| 16:30.23 | Copenhagen_Bram | Like pkgfile from arch linux |
| 16:30.32 | diogenes_ | Copenhagen_Bram, https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=Qt5LinguistToolsConfig.cmake&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any |
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| 16:31.10 | Copenhagen_Bram | oh neat, is there a CLI interface for packages.debian.org? |
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| 16:32.52 | diogenes_ | Copenhagen_Bram, something like apt file, seeman apt. |
| 16:33.09 | diogenes_ | man apt* |
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| 16:33.49 | Copenhagen_Bram | ooh hmm |
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| 16:47.08 | EdePopede | baba_: not everything present on that DVD gets automatically installed. depends on the selection during install. |
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| 16:50.06 | baba__ | thanks.........how does one manipulate the selection - is there a list of choices offered, like in a menu, during the installation process? |
| 16:52.19 | EdePopede | do i have to enable secure boot in the bios to boot an EFI install of a buster install from HDD? took it out from the USB thing, now it hangs on SATA, still refuses to boot |
| 16:53.06 | EdePopede | baba_: could only see a basic choice right now. may depend on the options you choose, even text mode vs. graphic, can't say for sure. |
| 16:53.32 | EdePopede | baba_: like select the desktop, web server, and some 2 or 3 more options |
| 16:54.34 | EdePopede | baba_: looks like `tasksel --list-tasks` lists the same options |
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| 16:57.37 | baba__ | yes, the only real menu i saw was for selecting which desktop environments to install - it was the same as given by the tasksel command |
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| 17:02.59 | baba__ | EdePopede, where is debian installed |
| 17:04.34 | Copenhagen_Bram | I'm trying to figure out how to compile a program called QTAU: https://notabug.org/isengaara/qtau |
| 17:05.17 | Copenhagen_Bram | How do I create a Debian container with nothing installed except the default stuff, so that I can accurately document the Debian dependencies for manually compiling QTAU? |
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| 17:05.42 | Copenhagen_Bram | Or how else could I go about documenting QTAU's dependencies? |
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| 17:06.09 | Copenhagen_Bram | (as part of documenting how to compile QTAU on Debian as a whole) |
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| 17:09.22 | EdePopede | baba_: ? |
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| 17:10.16 | EdePopede | so if i start the BIOS install system and NOT the EFI one (which seems not to be able to create a bootable system on the hard disk) i have to use MBR?! so 3 primary partitions and an extended one? |
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| 17:12.24 | baba__ | i have used csm/legacy boot with gpt partitioning |
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| 17:12.52 | EdePopede | well, it isn't even offered here. created partition 1 and for the next i had the choice primary/extended |
| 17:15.22 | baba__ | is the motherboard efi-capable? |
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| 17:16.30 | EdePopede | it has a lot of related settings, so i'd say it is |
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| 17:17.07 | EdePopede | and i don't even understand what effect it has when i turn them on and off |
| 17:17.26 | baba__ | you are using an installer image on a flash drive? |
| 17:17.32 | EdePopede | the "descriptive" texts aren't better than 3 decades ago |
| 17:17.36 | EdePopede | yep |
| 17:17.49 | EdePopede | the best thing is |
| 17:18.28 | EdePopede | before i started this whole installation orgy the HDD was MBR formatted and i dd'd the installer image to one of the partitions. why? just because. |
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| 17:18.49 | EdePopede | with some commands on GRUB's prompt i was able to boot into the text mode installer |
| 17:19.28 | EdePopede | but now, trying to go the NORMAL, OFFICIAL way (put the installer iso to a stick, boot it, install to an empty hdd) nothing works. really. NOTHING. |
| 17:19.53 | EdePopede | whatever i do in the installer or in the bios, the system can't find anything bootable |
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| 17:20.05 | baba__ | interesting......dd'ing the image to a partition is not a method given in the installation docs |
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| 17:21.31 | EdePopede | it boots from the stick with that method if the machine tries to get the system from that device, so why not from some arbitrary partition :> |
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| 17:22.28 | EdePopede | but then i wanted to do something with a small partition, and didn't see it was the one with the image. gnah. so i decided to finalle start the usual installation procedure. |
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| 17:23.42 | baba__ | i don't know.....these things are funny much of the time.....what happened when you got the text mode installer when booting the installation image on the hard drive partition |
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| 17:24.49 | bonobo | is it normal with Deb10 XFCE fresh install to get a "user is not in sudoers list" in terminal $sudo ? |
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| 17:26.21 | EdePopede | baba_: i installed without that /boot/uefi thing (No was preselected, so i kept it) after reading half of the web and it didn't boot. which didn't change until now :/ |
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| 17:26.38 | Guest67144 | hey |
| 17:26.45 | Guest67144 | anyone need help? |
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| 17:29.06 | baba__ | i don't think the problem is the bios/efi choice.....are you able to run any sort of linux from a flash drive or in a live environment? |
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| 17:30.18 | bonobo | don't want to continue setup if install wasn't correct |
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| 17:30.47 | bonobo | also seems to be some issue with login, it doesn't populate the USER name into the login box |
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| 17:31.03 | yth | bonobo: yes, that's normal. Do "su -" and enter your root password, then "sudo usermod -a -G sudo myusername" to add you to the group. |
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| 17:31.47 | bonobo | yth, think I fixed it with sudo visudo and entering a last line there |
| 17:31.58 | EdePopede | so, next try. i didn't restart partitioning, but modified the EFI partitions from last time. now it kept EFI, not switching to MBR |
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| 17:32.27 | bonobo | I don't have a timeout line however, apparently even without a line it is supposed to timeout in 5 minutes? |
| 17:32.54 | EdePopede | baba_: 9 live like a charm with its 8GB RAM (EFI/Legacy seems to make no difference), 10 installer too. note: both start with no problems in BOTH modes |
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| 17:35.00 | baba__ | i don't think that the choice of bios or efi or mbr or gpt is the problem |
| 17:35.27 | yth | bonobo: default timeout is 15 minutes, if it's not specified in sudoers - if you don't use sudo again in this period you'd need to renter the password |
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| 17:35.54 | bonobo | yth, hopefully I haven't created some hole |
| 17:36.50 | bonobo | 1st attempt as su I did sudo adduser <user> sudo didn't work |
| 17:36.59 | EdePopede | baba_: the only OS so far i could boot was the windows it came with on the HDD it came with. and sticks. but this is also my first contact with EFI and i never liked it. |
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| 17:38.07 | yth | bonobo: that's right, except you have a chicken and egg problem - you can't use sudo to give yourself permission to use sudo :-) |
| 17:38.31 | yth | first time out you just need to run the adduser command as root |
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| 17:39.48 | bonobo | as regular user, $sudo gpasswd -a USER sudo sudo usermod -a -G sudo USER failed |
| 17:40.16 | yth | yes, because you're trying to use sudo to give yourself permission to use sudo |
| 17:40.18 | bonobo | ah so maybe what I did as su allowed me then to sudo visudo and fix it |
| 17:40.35 | yth | if you do "su -" then run the same commands as root they'll work |
| 17:41.15 | baba__ | so you followed the standard instructions to put the installer image on a flash drive and then booted that drive? |
| 17:41.19 | bonobo | yth, and its normal that my login screen is not populating with the username ? never seen this before |
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| 17:46.45 | EdePopede | baba__: of course. and everything (as in *EVERYTHING*) works as it should only either the installation is not bootable or the pc doesn't know how to boot it (which would be odd since it started the win10home it came with from the other hdd without any problems) |
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| 17:47.23 | EdePopede | of course Lenovo may have a stinky deal with mircosoft.... |
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| 17:48.29 | baba__ | so the installation process occurs without incident? |
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| 17:49.50 | yth | bonobo: depends on the display manager - that's the default for some |
| 17:50.55 | EdePopede | baba__: everything's fine until i try to boot the installed system :/ |
| 17:51.12 | EdePopede | this time i selected all the software. 45% only.... |
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| 17:52.22 | baba__ | what do you mean y 45% |
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| 17:52.26 | baba__ | by 45% |
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| 17:52.49 | EdePopede | software install |
| 17:53.01 | EdePopede | i think i'll untick everything again next time |
| 17:53.11 | bonobo | damn I get no vertical scroll bar in firefox in xfce, don't think i did any windows tweaks sigh |
| 17:54.10 | baba__ | what is 45%? what does that number mean? |
| 17:55.46 | bonobo | using xfce to escape all the Plasma tweaking required, maybe will try mate again |
| 17:55.55 | EdePopede | baba_: half of the software installed already ;) |
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| 17:56.13 | EdePopede | bonobo: tried another theme? |
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| 17:59.40 | baba__ | what i know is what worked for me..........i use efi and gpt partitioning.....i partitioned the drive with another linux before doing the debian install.........then i put the installer dvd #1 iso on one partition and booted the hd-media version of the kernel and initrd , both of which were on a different partition |
| 18:01.16 | HelloShitty | What is the default Plasma Desktop File Manager application? |
| 18:01.23 | EdePopede | that's what i wanted to try next. GPT partitioning before starting the installer (gdisk is much better than this dialog driven thing) |
| 18:02.55 | EdePopede | baba__: after one of my tries i looked into sector 001, there was a normal MBR, 1 partition entry, no bootcode. |
| 18:03.08 | n4dir | HelloShitty: i'd assume dolphin ? |
| 18:04.02 | HelloShitty | n4dir: I don't know which it is... Like if you ionstall Plasma esktop, which will be the file manager? |
| 18:04.14 | HelloShitty | I can use Dolphin... Going to install it |
| 18:04.22 | n4dir | well, if you have it installed you can easily check if it is dolphin |
| 18:04.42 | baba__ | look at the installation manual for debian.....there is a section there....like 4.4.1 or some similar number....that describes what i did......make sue to copy the iso to the partition - do not copy its contents - the partition will contain one file only, the iso itself |
| 18:04.44 | n4dir | i added the question mark as my info is quite outdated. |
| 18:05.10 | HelloShitty | I'm asking this because I, accidentaly hit 'y' and <Enter> in a dialog box which I didn't read and it was saying something like "these packages were installed and are no longer needed. Remove them"? |
| 18:05.32 | baba__ | EdePopede, do not get hug up on the EFI and MBR stuff |
| 18:05.37 | baba__ | hung up, that is |
| 18:05.44 | n4dir | though there are ways to list with tasksel which software the given task comes with (assuming Plasma Desktop is a task for tasksel) |
| 18:05.48 | HelloShitty | so it removed a bunch of packages and now I don't have a file manager, lol |
| 18:06.07 | pasiz | HelloShitty: install some file manager |
| 18:06.10 | EdePopede | baba__: i get hung up on the fact that i can't get a bootable buster on that pc |
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| 18:06.57 | nvz | HelloShitty: nautilus (gnome), caja (mate), thunar (xfce), pcmanfm(lxde/lxqt I think).. |
| 18:07.00 | baba__ | you are preoccupied with the MBR thing |
| 18:07.03 | nvz | HelloShitty: find one you like, install it |
| 18:07.22 | HelloShitty | I will |
| 18:07.36 | EdePopede | oops. page iii seems to be missing from the installer docs (at least english version) |
| 18:07.42 | nvz | pcmanfm is a decently featured lightweight one |
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| 18:08.22 | annadane | pcmanfm has a ton of dependencies |
| 18:08.46 | n4dir | HelloShitty: https://packages.debian.org/buster/dolphin |
| 18:08.56 | n4dir | says it would be default for plasma |
| 18:09.21 | EdePopede | baba__: i *must* partition it *somehow* - mbr or gpt, one of those *has* to work. but of course i'd prefer gpt, is much more flexible and straight |
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| 18:10.22 | baba__ | then use gpt.....but it is not the cause of the failure to boot |
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| 18:14.01 | HelloShitty | It's installed. Dolphin will be my file manager |
| 18:14.02 | HelloShitty | Thanks |
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| 18:15.25 | Guest85344 | EdePopede, thinking maybe I should reinstall strange stuff happening |
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| 18:15.47 | EdePopede | for you at least something HAPPENS! |
| 18:16.05 | bonobos | like can't wake from sleep, and when does 1st hexchat window is gone |
| 18:16.28 | EdePopede | lid? |
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| 18:16.46 | EdePopede | so. no i install grub into the mbr. *sigh* |
| 18:16.49 | bonobos | EdePopede, na its a deskmini |
| 18:17.40 | EdePopede | "my heart beats like a jungle drum" *reboot reboot reboot* |
| 18:17.46 | bonobos | EdePopede, I cleared out a bunch of language packages localisations, maybe I removed something important |
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| 18:18.54 | bonobos | too bad they must include hungarian spelling packages, can't opt out of that for example |
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| 18:19.14 | moistmoskito | diogenes_: one other question... how would i point my application once compiled to use the qt version in /opt |
| 18:20.40 | EdePopede | CSM is enabled, boot more is Auto (UEFI, Legacy), Priority is Legacy First. so shouldn't it boot the Legacy version? |
| 18:20.50 | baba__ | ugh......the right way is to not bother with the MBR.......the correct way is this: an EFI file is placed in the EFI partition.....then add an entry pointing to that file....put that entry in the efi settings in the motherboard.....here, the efi file is the grub boot manager |
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| 18:22.34 | bonobos | GPT ? |
| 18:23.09 | EdePopede | what? efi settings in the motherboard? |
| 18:27.32 | EdePopede | this time at least i have a partition table and some boot code in the mbr (starts with eb 63 90, iirc that's a short jump and a NOP) |
| 18:27.59 | baba__ | BRB |
| 18:28.11 | EdePopede | baba baba__ ;) |
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| 18:32.45 | diogenes_ | moistmoskito> i would have told you if you were here. |
| 18:33.20 | babaganoosh | EdePopede, why do you think the MBR prevents the debian installation from booting |
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| 18:38.33 | asarch | If I have this code for x86: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/587275 |
| 18:38.42 | asarch | And then I convert the code with: as --32 -o cpuid2 cpuid2.s |
| 18:38.50 | EdePopede | babaganoosh: i didn't say that. but how is a system supposed to boot without boot code? |
| 18:38.50 | asarch | How would I link it?: ld -m elf_i386 -dynamic-linker /lib/ld-linux.so.2 -o cpuid2 -s -lc cpuid2.o |
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| 18:39.02 | asarch | "ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.a when searching for -l, ld: cannot find -lc" :-( |
| 18:39.51 | wasamasa | one does not simply use ld |
| 18:39.55 | wasamasa | if you can, use gcc |
| 18:40.50 | asarch | Ok :-( |
| 18:40.59 | asarch | I mean, oh :-( |
| 18:41.40 | babaganoosh | good grief........stop with the boot code thing....does the installer give you a menu to create a new partition table and assign partitions as you want? |
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| 18:41.53 | asarch | Where the 32bit libraries live on? |
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| 18:44.08 | josvuk | dpkg --purge don't delete a package if something depends on it , how to delete it anyway? |
| 18:44.08 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up don't delete a package if something depends on it , how to delete it anyway all over josvuk and lol768... |
| 18:44.55 | nvz | josvuk: apt --purge remove package |
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| 18:45.06 | nvz | will also remove dependencies |
| 18:45.15 | josvuk | o.k |
| 18:45.19 | nvz | dpkg doesnt do resolutions of such things, apt and such tools do that |
| 18:45.19 | dpkg | nvz: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 18:45.26 | nvz | dpkg: shaddup |
| 18:45.26 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
| 18:45.49 | josvuk | dpkg hah |
| 18:45.50 | dpkg | josvuk: i don't know |
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| 18:51.05 | n4dir | josvuk: might be this will give you the info http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=104157 |
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| 18:52.19 | oxek | if nftables is a full replacement for iptables, why do packages like ufw or firewalld depend on iptables instead of iptables|nftables? |
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| 18:59.34 | EdePopede | booting from the live stick works, switched to the grub prompt, typed some commands, was able to boot... from the HDD i think. only not sure if the 10.1 i had installed so many times or the 9 i installed from the live system. and i would also have needed a root= parameter. so still caught in initramfs :/ |
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| 19:00.03 | EdePopede | maybe i should wipe that disk again? |
| 19:00.34 | EdePopede | and then maybe trying to install from the 9 live system, worked on this pc in the past with no problems. |
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| 19:03.42 | EdePopede | babaganoosh: i already created a couple of data disks on that machine, all of them bigger than that limit of 2 or 3 TB, all of them from the debian 9 livesystem. but this time i need a bootable debian system on that disk (even 1TB only, so this problem shouldn't be relevant at all) so it's not enough to just create some partitions with gdisk on it |
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| 19:05.42 | babaganoosh | all i can say is try the installer on the flash drive as described in the debian installation manual....the installation menus should let you use gpt partitioning to creat an efi partition and a partition for the OS itself.... |
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| 19:21.57 | EdePopede | babaganoosh: and then it won't boot. like it didn't the last time and the time before. hell knows what's going on. |
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| 19:25.25 | babaganoosh | EdePopede, does the installer put the grub efi file in the efi partition and then sets the efi settings in the motherboard to boot that efi file? |
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| 19:29.40 | EdePopede | i think i've seen it at least once, xefi86 whatever, about half a dozen files or so. can't tell you anything about what's written to the motherboard, i don't have any test devices to check the EPROMs |
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| 19:33.56 | babaganoosh | https://rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/index.html |
| 19:35.53 | babaganoosh | when you boot, press F9 or F10 to get into a boot options menu.....it should show a list of bootable devices and entries for where it finds efi files and an option to look through the efi partition to manually select an efi file to boot from |
| 19:36.37 | babaganoosh | look through the various links in the link i gave....it is useful info |
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| 19:38.48 | EdePopede | babaganoosh: that's how i can select to boot EFI or Legacy on both sticks. but it doesn't change the fact that the system won't boot from HDD, no matter in what mode and with what partitioning system i install it. |
| 19:39.33 | EdePopede | uh, nice. garbage collection in firefox. reduced memory usage from 41% to 41%. |
| 19:39.52 | babaganoosh | can you navigate to the debian efi file? |
| 19:40.58 | EdePopede | all i get at boot is the intel boot manager or what it's called whining about not finding a bootable device. and then disappearing in an endless loop trying again and again and again.... |
| 19:41.09 | EdePopede | babaganoosh. i just started to wipe the disk |
| 19:41.16 | EdePopede | seems it may take half of the night |
| 19:41.56 | EdePopede | and that's ridiculous. dd reports <50MB/s, when i had it in that USB box i could copy to it at a speed of about 150MB/s |
| 19:42.04 | EdePopede | so usb is faster than SATA? |
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| 19:43.28 | babaganoosh | i am not sure |
| 19:44.20 | EdePopede | recently i found out that of the 4 connectors on my board one is sATA, started reading about the differences. sure, external vs internal, but then? |
| 19:44.42 | EdePopede | sounds like a pretty clear fail to me |
| 19:45.22 | EdePopede | you can't power external disks as with USB, so use sATA for the data and USB for the power. rly? |
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| 19:46.29 | EdePopede | ah, better. blocksize of 1GB, and 30GB done after 3 minutes |
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| 19:52.26 | EdePopede | > The problem with Secure Boot is that Microsoft requires its use on desktop and laptop computers that ship with Windows 8 and later. |
| 19:52.40 | EdePopede | so maybe that's the reason why the system can't find anything to boot? |
| 19:52.53 | EdePopede | debian isn't signed by microsoft? |
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| 19:55.18 | lupine | Gotta hope not |
| 19:56.36 | EdePopede | so debian's future is in a vm running in the newest windows incarnation? |
| 19:56.47 | babaganoosh | oh brother |
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| 19:57.01 | babaganoosh | i have a win 10 computer......and i installed debian on it |
| 19:57.17 | babaganoosh | i am using it now....secure boot is turned off |
| 19:57.25 | EdePopede | and that's what i'm trying for about 24 hours now |
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| 20:06.23 | ratrace | EdePopede: WHAT |
| 20:07.39 | EdePopede | yes. i started the installation session last evening. no matter what choices i make, the system won't boot |
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| 20:07.59 | diogenes_ | EdePopede, what's the problema? |
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| 20:09.17 | oxek | is there an alternative to opensnitch outgoing firewall on debian? |
| 20:09.25 | EdePopede | TL;DR: the installed buster doesn't boot |
| 20:09.58 | EdePopede | now i'm wiping the disk to restart again under clear conditions |
| 20:10.44 | diogenes_ | EdePopede, hdd, ssd, sata mode, efi/mbr, single/dual boot, details... |
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| 20:11.07 | EdePopede | i even tried to install from the stretch live system, which worked great on this PC. nope. |
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| 20:12.07 | EdePopede | diogenes_: 1TB WD Red on SATA in a lenovo *looking* thinkcentre (but i've heard they use a lot of different boards in their machines) |
| 20:12.37 | EdePopede | for the installation everything else is removed. better safe than sorry. |
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| 20:13.17 | EdePopede | not that i would generally mind running a live system on that machine. it is still faster than this one |
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| 20:13.35 | diogenes_ | EdePopede, ahci/ide, gpt/mbr? |
| 20:14.24 | EdePopede | tried everything so far. legacy/efi installer (selection during boot works), mbr/gpt. and switched some settings in the bios. |
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| 20:14.43 | EdePopede | ahci, as in ehci, ohci? |
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| 20:18.01 | diogenes_ | ahci is the sata mode of the HDD in bios, basically you have to decide how you want to install, if legacy then HDD should be MBR, efi/scm/secure boot turned off, if UEFI then HDD should be GPT and you must add a separate fat32(vfat) 300 MB partition, mountpoint /boot/efi,. flags esp,boot. |
| 20:18.39 | diogenes_ | EdePopede, also i've encountered on some systems that if you use legacy, you need a different grub package, not the one installed by default with Debian. |
| 20:19.20 | diogenes_ | EdePopede, also on other systems, if UEFI, you need to gain administrator privileges in BIOS and setup the trusted efi file in BIOS and only then you can boot. |
| 20:20.31 | EdePopede | so the future of personal computing involves bios hacking? |
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| 20:21.27 | EdePopede | maybe i really should get a raspi 4 |
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| 20:24.41 | EdePopede | or since there were never problems running from thumbdrives, what about returning to the old days and use a stick as a boot drive and load the system from the disk then? |
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| 20:25.45 | diogenes_ | or get a libreboot machine with free BIOS. |
| 20:26.19 | EdePopede | you pay for it? |
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| 20:27.19 | EdePopede | living the ethical way is an option for the rich |
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| 20:27.46 | diogenes_ | i got no issues with my machines so no complains. |
| 20:28.06 | diogenes_ | not rich. |
| 20:28.46 | EdePopede | it's not even like the old "it works for you, doesn't mean it also works for me", but more "doesn't matter if it works for you or not, i know it won't work for me" |
| 20:28.55 | EdePopede | not the first time things behave strange here |
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| 20:29.34 | EdePopede | 418GB after 45 minutes, does dd get slower with time? |
| 20:29.44 | EdePopede | it started with about 10G/m |
| 20:30.49 | diogenes_ | when you're upset, everything looks dull and frustrating :) |
| 20:32.19 | babaganoosh | is it typical for a debian installation from the #1 DVD iso to not install all the packages on the iso? |
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| 20:33.08 | Joit | babaganoosh: i dont think so, but i think there is a borked iso at the webpage |
| 20:33.25 | Joit | you may better pick one of the installation with a enviroment |
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| 20:34.25 | Joit | and well, i loaded a iso at an usb stick, but under windows, because they are not able to make a working program, what can make a usb disc froma stick, like it works under windows |
| 20:34.34 | Sabine | I wonder why #usermod -a -G doesn't add user to sudo visudo file |
| 20:34.43 | Joit | but with that, the installation goes in half of the time |
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| 20:35.38 | babaganoosh | i put the single iso file on the hard drive and the installer found the iso....it seemed to do fine...except for the problem with not installing all packages |
| 20:36.17 | Joit | yes, it is a routine like you install it from 1:44 discs |
| 20:36.41 | Joit | like i said, the first iso what they point you at is borked |
| 20:37.09 | Sabine | usermod -a -G sudo user |
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| 20:37.51 | Joit | Sabine: you need to run that as sudo? |
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| 20:38.44 | Sabine | Joit, you mean su to # 1st then sudo usermod -a -G sudo user ? |
| 20:39.13 | Sabine | #sudo usermod -a -G sudo <user> ? |
| 20:39.23 | Joit | kinda like that, if a straight sudo usermod doenst work |
| 20:39.25 | babaganoosh | well i may try a single environemnt iso then......also i used a slightly older 10.1 DVD iso....is that one also not working well? |
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| 20:40.01 | Sabine | Joit, 'straight' as user , tell me user isn't in sudoers file , was thinking of just using sudo visudo instead of usermod? |
| 20:40.07 | Joit | babaganoosh: if you manually install something like ypt install xfce4 --install-suggests? |
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| 20:40.11 | EdePopede | diogenes_: i don't care about things *looking* frustrating, but spending half of the weekend trying to do a simple os installation in fact *is* frustrating. should it not work at all it would also mean i lost that weekend |
| 20:40.25 | Joit | Sabine: you need to sudo your user forst |
| 20:40.43 | Joit | they messed up again the sudo system with some hyperparanoid devs |
| 20:41.31 | Joit | thats a big problem what i have with kde, and the new relaeases since 18.xx they make all super save, what realy is not, just make things hrer for normal users |
| 20:41.36 | gregor2 | I am trying to chroot into debian on a xiaomi mi8 with lineageos. I managed to get so far but now apt-get update does not run and i already put _apt:x:100:3003:.... in /etc/passwd and inet:x:3003:_apt in /etc/group. |
| 20:41.37 | EdePopede | or get the "su" option during install and then login as root and add the user first |
| 20:41.42 | babaganoosh | Joit, what would you suggest i try to make sure all the packages on the iso are installed? |
| 20:41.47 | yth | Sabine: you can't use sudo to give yourself the right to use sudo |
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| 20:42.02 | Sabine | Joit, I can just su to superuser and sudo visudo and add a line , if thats fine? |
| 20:42.09 | yth | Do "su -" to get a root shell first, with your root password; then run the adduser command |
| 20:42.40 | Joit | Sabine: add your user to root group or make one or log into root |
| 20:43.39 | Joit | babaganoosh: depends what you want to install, but what do you need mainly, network, and a working enviroment? |
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| 20:44.00 | Sabine | yth, funny it seems to work as user, even show up in $groups but sudo still fails |
| 20:44.29 | Sabine | at least with sudo visudo I can see what seems to be going on |
| 20:44.38 | Joit | i installed firefox even through the firefox dl page, because debian comes with the esr version , what does not work proper for me |
| 20:45.04 | Sabine | Joit, also includes 40 language packs |
| 20:45.13 | babaganoosh | Joit, I want the standard debian....just for my PC |
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| 20:45.23 | Joit | Sabine: as i said, they made it 'supersave' but it looks for me more like, they messed the freedom what you had at linux |
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| 20:46.12 | Joit | babaganoosh: with what enviroment? i doubt you only want a konsole |
| 20:46.55 | babaganoosh | how can i get all the packages on the #1 DVD iso to install? |
| 20:47.14 | Sabine | yth, and doing su - 1st is different than just su to superuser, cause it failed as root |
| 20:47.29 | Joit | babaganoosh: slap a dev, to fix the iso |
| 20:47.53 | Sabine | #sudo usermod -a -G sudo <username> |
| 20:47.56 | Sabine | failed |
| 20:48.12 | yth | Sabine: "su -" will give you a root shell, after which you can just type "usermod -a ..." without sudo |
| 20:48.18 | Sabine | maybe drop the 1st sudo lol? |
| 20:48.55 | babaganoosh | does everyone here have the same problem - the iso does not install all the packages on it? |
| 20:49.07 | Joit | start with su <enter> then pw |
| 20:49.31 | Joit | babaganoosh: i had it, then i get another iso |
| 20:50.23 | Joit | babaganoosh: do you have still windows ? |
| 20:50.39 | Sabine | Joit, how is $su - as user different than $su to superuser and run same cmd ? |
| 20:51.02 | babaganoosh | Joit, so the same problem happened to you? but a different form of the debian iso did not have the problem |
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| 20:51.45 | Joit | babaganoosh: yes, like one what is a iso with preconfigured kde or xfc |
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| 20:52.13 | Joit | the plain debia failed for me, but all i did need was apt, to install xfce and the other stufff |
| 20:52.45 | Sabine | can still use synaptic to install stuff with user not in sudoers fwiw |
| 20:52.53 | yth | Sabine: not much different for what you need; "su" keeps your existing environment, while "su -" sets up the default environment of the root user |
| 20:53.01 | Joit | Sabine: yth explained it already, su gies you a root shell |
| 20:53.20 | Sabine | yes, but I'm saying the cmd failed as SU already so |
| 20:53.39 | babaganoosh | Joit, thanks.....it is strange that it works fine except for not installing some fo the packages |
| 20:53.42 | Joit | you need to do that in 2 steps |
| 20:53.58 | Joit | first, you su, then pw, then type the usermode cmd |
| 20:53.58 | annadane | friends don't let friends use synaptic |
| 20:54.06 | Sabine | nm, I did have the initial sudo, so let me drop that try it again |
| 20:54.27 | Sabine | annadane, terminal or bust? |
| 20:54.34 | annadane | if you want to be COOL |
| 20:54.48 | Joit | babaganoosh: i think i remeber, that happend to me already before some years, that the standard iso works like its on 1,44 discs. and no one ever fixed that |
| 20:55.01 | annadane | actually i do like synaptic's package descriptions |
| 20:55.19 | annadane | synaptic did have one nasty bug in stretch though which i guess got fixed in buster |
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| 20:55.55 | babaganoosh | Joit, all right....i think i understand |
| 20:57.00 | Joit | babaganoosh: you may can send a bug report, if you remeber the link to the iso. but i dont know, if i should have hope on that, that they will fix it |
| 20:58.37 | babaganoosh | Joit, i would think this problem is very well known.....maybe it is not problem, but instead it is normal or i am doing something wrong |
| 20:59.43 | Joit | babaganoosh: i dont think you do something wrong, when you simple download a iso, burn it on cd or dvd, and try to install it, and then it complains like "put disc2 into your drive" |
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| 21:00.03 | Joit | or "disc#2 not found" |
| 21:00.10 | Joit | that is clearly the install routine for me |
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| 21:01.28 | babaganoosh | Joit, that is not what is happening.......I use only the first DVD iso.....all goes fine.....debian functions fine......there are packages on the iso that do not get installed |
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| 21:01.36 | Joit | else you may have to rip the iso apart and copy all into 1 folder, that it -maybe- works |
| 21:02.16 | EdePopede | babaganoosh: what happens if you try to install them manually one by one? (or just one of them) |
| 21:02.25 | Sabine | yth, working now ty |
| 21:02.34 | fireba11 | Joit: without reading a lot of backlog ... what installation media are you having trouble with? |
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| 21:03.33 | Joit | fireba11: i am ok now, i think i had the 384mb iso, i installed my stuf fvia apt, maybe ask babaganoosh for his iso |
| 21:04.11 | fireba11 | Joit: i only use netinstall and have it download whatever i need later :-P |
| 21:05.06 | Joit | fireba11: well, i like it more to have it at a usb stick, what is fomrated to a usb hdd, because its done in 20 min complete with desktop enviroment |
| 21:05.13 | Joit | formatted |
| 21:06.46 | fireba11 | Joit: well depends on your internet speed if usb is faster :-P if you install a lot especially with desktop environment you could also just go for the first DVD so you usually don't have to download more than a few updates ... |
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| 21:07.04 | fireba11 | never tried to vet everything on one media |
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| 21:08.35 | babaganoosh | I install debian in a very common way - I use only the first DVD iso....it is found here: |
| 21:08.38 | babaganoosh | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
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| 21:09.21 | babaganoosh | Then, the installation goes fine....debian boots normally.....but then i find that manypackages on the DVD are not installed |
| 21:10.46 | Joit | i actually still wonder, why they can not manage to make a program under linux, what turns a usb sick to a usb hdd, where you can normally copy your stuff on it and install it from there |
| 21:11.53 | Joit | babaganoosh: it are maybe packages what are needed for ither architectures ? it allwaysdepends, what you have on your system |
| 21:12.16 | Joit | other architectures or other programs |
| 21:12.52 | babaganoosh | All right then |
| 21:12.57 | Joit | i would stay with that, what you really need, and when you not missing anything, then why having a lot of stuff what you dont need |
| 21:13.24 | babaganoosh | I see |
| 21:13.35 | Joit | you can do try a package search, pick one, look at the net, what its needed for, then compare if you need it |
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| 21:14.14 | whislock | Joit: What are you talking about? |
| 21:14.36 | Joit | whislock: see babaganoosh 22:09 |
| 21:15.09 | whislock | babaganoosh: Why would you want to install every package from the iso? |
| 21:15.54 | babaganoosh | Is the installer supposed to install all of them or not? |
| 21:15.58 | whislock | No. |
| 21:16.08 | whislock | Only the ones applicable for the tasks you select. |
| 21:16.14 | whislock | Installing them all would be absurd. |
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| 21:16.53 | Joit | also the one, what are detected as a need for your system |
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| 21:17.23 | whislock | There's a base package set that's required for the system to function in a minimal capacity. Then it adds the packages for the tasks you select. |
| 21:17.38 | Joit | plain debian system is not the whole disc, it s lesser packagaes |
| 21:17.41 | jelly | Joit: only very few packages are installed based on detected hardware. Just the flavor of boot loader comes to mind, uefi or legacy |
| 21:18.18 | jelly | the set of packages installed depends on the tasks selected. |
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| 21:18.37 | Joit | jelly tell it baba |
| 21:18.45 | jelly | I just did, they can read. |
| 21:18.47 | Sabine | don't think there was any suggested tasks in the .iso install |
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| 21:18.58 | teclo- | babaganoosh: well, contrary to other operating systems like W*ndows, Debian GNU/Linux will only install the packages you need |
| 21:18.58 | babaganoosh | This is helpful,, whislock .......... |
| 21:18.59 | whislock | Sabine: tasksel always runs. |
| 21:18.59 | Sabine | i installed the nonfree xfce |
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| 21:19.25 | Sabine | whislock, meaning what ? |
| 21:19.30 | teclo- | babaganoosh: then you can use apt install to install whatever extra packages you need |
| 21:19.35 | Joit | Sabine: not xfce4? |
| 21:19.36 | babaganoosh | How does Debian know which packages i need? |
| 21:19.54 | Sabine | Joit, whatever is in the .iso |
| 21:19.55 | teclo- | babaganoosh: there''s also tasksel that allows you to install for instance "a whole desktop environment" |
| 21:20.23 | jelly | babaganoosh: there's a question screen during installer asking you whether you want a Desktop Environment, standard tools, server tools etc. |
| 21:20.27 | sphalerite | Hi folks. I have a debian installed using debootstrap in /debian and I want to find the "final" destination of the symlink /debian/usr/bin/cc without chrooting in. Is there a tool that can do that for me? |
| 21:20.51 | Joit | Sabine: bad, i have no idea about it, i have to look at synaptic, what version is installed .:P |
| 21:20.55 | Sabine | jelly, there is 1 final question in XFCE do you want the desktop or just plain that's it |
| 21:21.46 | babaganoosh | yes, jelly ....there was only one menu in the installation that allowed for any sort of customization regrding installation of packages or sets of packages |
| 21:21.47 | jelly | Sabine: it's not only "desktop or no desktop", always more than that, and more than one task can be chosen |
| 21:22.01 | Sabine | no breakdown other than that, I'm removing a lot of arcane fonts, maybe I shouldn't |
| 21:22.26 | Sabine | jelly, didn't see anything like that , I just installed again |
| 21:22.27 | teclo- | babaganoosh: for instance you look a this: https://packages.debian.org/buster/xfce4 |
| 21:22.52 | jelly | Sabine: you can run "tasksel" after installation to get it again |
| 21:23.01 | jelly | !tasksel |
| 21:23.01 | dpkg | tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 21:23.07 | teclo- | babaganoosh: also you'll notice that when you add a package, the packing system will automatically install all the dependencies such as the one on that page |
| 21:24.39 | Sabine | ah ok thx |
| 21:25.14 | babaganoosh | yes, many package managers handle depencies automatically.... |
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| 21:37.15 | babaganoosh | thanks all..........i guess what i experiencedis normal behavior |
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| 21:38.16 | Joit | yes baba, when you want a plain debian system it will not contain a lot, only what you need to use the console, the rest depends on your needs and wishes |
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| 21:39.36 | jelly | it you unselect all tasks, you basically get a working shell and package manager |
| 21:40.11 | jelly | !base install |
| 21:40.12 | dpkg | The term "base install" is often debated: if you don't select anything at the <tasksel> stage, you will end up with a very minimal system that will be missing many tools you would expect to find (at, less, file, ...). Selecting the <standard task> at the tasksel stage is highly recommended to provide you with the standard tools that should live on any unix-like machine. Also ask me about <minimal install>. |
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| 21:47.50 | babaganoosh | thanks......the tasksel screen that i encountered with the text installer allowed me to select a number of desktop environemnts.....i suppose what i did was typical for an installation |
| 21:48.24 | babaganoosh | so the missing pakcages are missing by design.....they are in the iso but not installed..... |
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| 21:49.33 | Joit | kinda like that baba, its like you want to have it. first to only install a plan debian, then continue with what you want |
| 21:49.41 | Joit | a plain |
| 21:50.43 | Joit | but at all, i dont have a lot problems with installing more stuff, what i actually need, i have and mate installed beside, to switch sometimes |
| 21:51.01 | babaganoosh | what is odd is i happened to see that smtube and w3m were on the iso but not installed.....that is what made me rrealize that not all packages were installed |
| 21:51.16 | Joit | also i have untiy and mate and xcfe4 installed + |
| 21:52.08 | Joit | well, w3m want a graphical enviroment, but since you only installed plain debian .. |
| 21:52.31 | yth | sphalerite: "readlink" will print the next step in the chain for each step |
| 21:53.15 | yth | If you just need to do this once, I'd just prefix each result with "/debian" and feed it in as the argument to "readlink" again |
| 21:53.23 | Joit | or wait, not sure if it runs only at console |
| 21:53.36 | babaganoosh | i never said i installed plain debian.......i used the first dvd.......and selected a few desktop environments during installation |
| 21:55.00 | Joit | ok, sorry, i did undertstand it like that since you said, you only want install debian |
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| 21:58.25 | babaganoosh | all rightie........thanks all. |
| 21:58.44 | Joit | baba but when you want have more a debain with desktop enviroment, then its easier to load a iso with a premade package |
| 22:01.29 | babaganoosh | i suppose so...........you mean with an iso with a desktop environemnt built in |
| 22:02.45 | Joit | yes. where it install automatically the desktop during install and all you have to do is to reboot. but then you still can look with all the 'goodies' like calendars weathers or players |
| 22:04.08 | babaganoosh | all right.........i guess i will just look through the iso to find extra things to install....i already did it with w3m and smtube |
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| 22:05.07 | amundsen | hi |
| 22:06.01 | Joit | babaganoosh: why dont you apt install synaptic, when you have a desktop already, and look there, it will take all the things from the net, and most time its more up to date |
| 22:06.11 | amundsen | does anybody know how to disable or remove the grub theme in buster? i'd like a plain grub with no bacgroud |
| 22:06.14 | Joit | do you actually neeed w3m or smtube? |
| 22:07.12 | babaganoosh | sure......synaptic is already installed.....it must have been part of some of the desktop environmewnts i selected during installation |
| 22:08.00 | Joit | there are a lot packages sorted by different categories, and you may find one or more things what you want |
| 22:08.27 | Joit | for me, ie, i am sure, i ll never use w3m , even it is at a install dvd |
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| 22:09.51 | babaganoosh | yes.....i am familiar with synaptic and repositories and such....the one question i had was regarding the uninstalled packages |
| 22:09.54 | Joit | i got me for video vlc, smplayer mplayer because of its codecs. record my desktop to record my desktop, cheese for having a webcam for permanet recording |
| 22:10.26 | Joit | or more, the not isntalled packages :P |
| 22:10.49 | Joit | but they are actually not needed. ie w3m i think is some like first aid, when your installation didnt work |
| 22:14.06 | babaganoosh | i just wanted to see what was wrong.....and maybe there are packages i really would like that did not get installed.....i will havae to look through the dvd to find them |
| 22:14.47 | Joit | ok, have fun with that :P |
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| 22:41.16 | EdePopede | so, disk is zeroed, checking bios. secure boot is.... disabled. so it can't be that. |
| 22:42.53 | EdePopede | CSM is enabled. |
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| 22:47.58 | whislock | EdePopede: What's the issue? |
| 22:48.59 | EdePopede | whislock: installing buster from a stick to a WD Red (1TB) on a Lenovo ThinkCentre. TL;DR: whatever i tried so far, nothing bootable was found later |
| 22:50.23 | EdePopede | 9 live and 10 installer both start in both modes when i select them in the boot menu. before i accidentally wiped out the partition too early i could even boot into the installer text menu with the ISO dd'd into a then still existing MBR partition on the HDD. |
| 22:51.01 | EdePopede | really not sure what method i should try now |
| 22:51.14 | whislock | EdePopede: Okay, but you are at least booting from external media now, right? |
| 22:51.26 | EdePopede | wouldn't even mind installing from the 9 live, worked on this pc in the past, but then no EFI here |
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| 22:51.34 | EdePopede | only thing i can do |
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| 22:51.59 | EdePopede | was running that thing forever from the live system. did a good job. |
| 22:52.20 | whislock | Alright. Restart the install process, and we'll review what you're doing as you go. |
| 22:52.31 | EdePopede | one thing i still found strange |
| 22:53.09 | EdePopede | had booted into the EFI installer, partitioned parts of the the disk, tried it with an EFI system, nada. |
| 22:53.22 | EdePopede | next try i went back to Legacy, nada. |
| 22:53.32 | whislock | Like I said, restart the install process, and we'll walk through it. |
| 22:54.20 | EdePopede | then later i repartitioned in Legacy mode, and wasn't even asked about GPT or not. which later wasn't a problem when i retried it again with a previously GPT partitioned disk |
| 22:54.46 | EdePopede | any bios stuff to check in advance maybe? |
| 22:55.10 | whislock | Not really. |
| 22:55.30 | whislock | If you can boot the installer in UEFI mode, then you're capable of booting in UEFI mode. So let's walk through the install. |
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| 22:56.25 | EdePopede | i don't think i really care about EFI or not. but having GPT is really nice. partitioning on GPT always drove me mad, even in the old days |
| 22:56.45 | EdePopede | oh. maybe i should use the correct stick :D |
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| 23:02.42 | oxek | ,dpkg help |
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| 23:04.02 | EdePopede | whislock: now, uefi or legacy? |
| 23:04.04 | oxek | where can I find the reason for why Signal messenger will not be packaged for debian? |
| 23:04.29 | EdePopede | !wnp signal |
| 23:04.33 | EdePopede | no? |
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| 23:06.12 | EdePopede | ,bug wnpp signal |
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| 23:06.13 | judd | Sorry, no wnpp bugs were found. |
| 23:06.31 | oxek | yeah I tried basic searching but it was fruitless |
| 23:06.35 | notsoever | debian: its just secure. ubuntu: it just works |
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| 23:07.07 | oxek | I remember reading about it, but can't remember where |
| 23:07.36 | oxek | might have been here on irc |
| 23:07.37 | EdePopede | ,wnpp powershell |
| 23:07.38 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/834756 in wnpp (forwarded): «RFP: powershell -- scripting language interpreter built on .NET»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2016-08-18; last modified: 2019-08-15. |
| 23:07.50 | EdePopede | ,wnpp signal |
| 23:07.52 | judd | Sorry, no wnpp bugs were found. |
| 23:08.16 | wasamasa | isn't it one of these applications bundling their own copy of chrome |
| 23:08.30 | oxek | yeah, electron |
| 23:08.30 | wasamasa | that kind of thing is rather icky to package |
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| 23:08.45 | oxek | debian packages a few apps like that already |
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| 23:10.18 | oxek | and more and more apps will be based on electron |
| 23:11.04 | EdePopede | so instead of a browser with 5 open tabs there will be 5 heavy instances of chrome running |
| 23:11.24 | oxek | I agree with you that it's a bad idea, but it is inevitable |
| 23:12.07 | EdePopede | that's why i still prefer programs and ignore apps |
| 23:12.17 | Fufu | I hate electron |
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| 23:20.01 | notsoever | i hope with time people on git gather ... but.. i dont know what i am saying ... hho approves waht is eligible to the prox versions? |
| 23:20.28 | notsoever | who |
| 23:20.34 | notsoever | better |
| 23:21.59 | notsoever | say i am using Atom, on ubuntu ... sorry... y dont suppport |
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| 23:22.15 | notsoever | love y |
| 23:22.28 | notsoever | butt |
| 23:22.54 | notsoever | kk |
| 23:24.19 | notsoever | sorry |
| 23:24.39 | notsoever | i shame for my pat |
| 23:24.43 | notsoever | past |
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| 23:26.33 | whislock | EdePopede: Sorry. Yes, UEFI. |
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| 23:27.23 | EdePopede | whislock: wb. and: already added fdisk, that other one and the pc-mbr module |
| 23:27.25 | notsoever | i lost laps because UEFI, partititions of gold |
| 23:27.36 | whislock | EdePopede: Why would you add those? |
| 23:27.38 | notsoever | FAT |
| 23:27.59 | notsoever | hate FAT |
| 23:28.11 | whislock | notsoever: Not really relevant. UEFI requires it. |
| 23:28.30 | EdePopede | whislock: i may create the partitions in advance just to be sure... but i am in efi mode now, correct. it shouldn't create mbr |
| 23:28.33 | notsoever | reason because is weak |
| 23:28.58 | whislock | notsoever: Again, irrelevant. it is a technical requirement. Your opinions on the matter are neither wanted nor valued. |
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| 23:29.00 | sphalerite | yth: but that doesn't take into account if one of the directories along the path is also a symlink, nor relative symlinks. |
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| 23:29.15 | notsoever | and enslave users to the buy choose |
| 23:29.51 | whislock | EdePopede: I'd prefer that you boot the installer exactly as it comes. |
| 23:30.13 | whislock | notsoever: I have no idea what you're even trying to say at this point. Do you have a Debian support question? |
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| 23:31.57 | EdePopede | i still don't get it how they implemented the clock settings. much too late and it doesn't seem to care if the systemclock uses UTC or not |
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| 23:32.21 | whislock | EdePopede: The system clock is not timezone aware. It's on the OS to make that translation. |
| 23:32.49 | EdePopede | i can select my timezine but it is still incorrect since that question appears when everything is finished |
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| 23:33.09 | whislock | EdePopede: Can we boot the installer as it is, without extra modules, and step through the process? |
| 23:33.27 | EdePopede | well... why not |
| 23:33.58 | EdePopede | bloody wireless keyboard |
| 23:34.08 | EdePopede | doesn't react half of the time |
| 23:34.26 | EdePopede | whislock: you seriously want the graphicl install? |
| 23:34.31 | whislock | EdePopede: Huh? |
| 23:34.46 | EdePopede | it is preselected in the 1st screen |
| 23:34.49 | whislock | No. The text installer is fine. But you don't need to load any extra modules. |
| 23:35.04 | notsoever | took a wile to bathroomm afraid of you |
| 23:35.34 | EdePopede | so, personal settings done, network i guess now |
| 23:35.43 | whislock | notsoever: I believe you may be suffering a stroke. Please seek medical attention. |
| 23:35.45 | EdePopede | loading some stuff |
| 23:36.13 | jhutchins | whislock: Don't feed the trolls. |
| 23:36.19 | whislock | EdePopede: I'm mainly interested in the partitioning and filesystem selection portions. |
| 23:36.51 | notsoever | y wiped virtialbox from supported, why? |
| 23:36.58 | whislock | jhutchins: I'd prefer that something be done about them than to have meaningless platitudes repeated. |
| 23:37.44 | EdePopede | so. here we are then. |
| 23:38.03 | notsoever | is it open source? |
| 23:38.11 | whislock | EdePopede: I remember you mentioned that you zeroed the disk. I assume, then, that there's nothing? |
| 23:38.15 | notsoever | sweting |
| 23:38.33 | EdePopede | whislock: me too |
| 23:38.46 | whislock | EdePopede: You're looking at the installer, you tell me. :P |
| 23:39.21 | notsoever | bach |
| 23:39.24 | EdePopede | i don't think there's dd in that shell, or i'd look into the mbr ;) |
| 23:39.34 | whislock | The installer has its own partitioning menu. |
| 23:39.45 | whislock | And UEFI requires GPT, so looking at the MBR won't help you. |
| 23:39.54 | EdePopede | so. asking for the method. whole disk / lvm / encrypted lvm / manual |
| 23:40.07 | whislock | If you have a preference, we'll go down whatever route. |
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| 23:40.10 | EdePopede | no protecting mbd? |
| 23:40.12 | EdePopede | no protecting mbr? |
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| 23:40.26 | whislock | Sure, but that's often just a blanket partition that says "this disk is GPT." |
| 23:40.36 | whislock | Still, not really a relevant avenue to go down. |
| 23:41.10 | EdePopede | i prefer manual, but should the auto way work, then it should work a 2nd time, so why not letting the system decide what to do |
| 23:41.44 | EdePopede | would manual be ok? |
| 23:41.50 | whislock | Sure. |
| 23:41.55 | EdePopede | yay |
| 23:42.30 | EdePopede | so. iirc i need a EFI partition first, then it also asks for swap. would be 3 at least. |
| 23:43.14 | whislock | Correct. The "general recommendation" for the ESP is 512MiB, but that's... quite a variable recommendation. |
| 23:43.19 | EdePopede | 1GB EFI should be enough for a single system, i've read someting about 500 something MB |
| 23:43.19 | notsoever | EFI killed many money to the thhs |
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| 23:44.02 | notsoever | no windows u u gonna debian instead ubuntu |
| 23:44.05 | whislock | EdePopede: Keep in mind that the Debian installer uses base-10 sizing. If you want proper, base-2 sizing, you'll have to convert things here and there. |
| 23:44.09 | notsoever | take care |
| 23:44.13 | whislock | Some people care, and some don't. |
| 23:44.18 | notsoever | gentleman |
| 23:44.31 | notsoever | your code is S* |
| 23:44.37 | EdePopede | heh, that's.. strange. "you selected a totally empty disk[â¦]if you continue all partitions will be distroyed" |
| 23:44.46 | EdePopede | it is empty, so what partitions?! |
| 23:44.49 | whislock | You zeroed it out, that includes the partition table. |
| 23:44.53 | whislock | It's a standard warning. |
| 23:44.57 | notsoever | fixing |
| 23:45.08 | EdePopede | it's just contradictory |
| 23:45.22 | hummingbee | :v |
| 23:45.25 | whislock | Consider a case where Debian can't recognize the partition table present on the disk. |
| 23:45.41 | EdePopede | and it never works from 10-based to 2-based. and i LIKE my partition on binary boundaries ;) |
| 23:45.54 | whislock | Sure it does. |
| 23:46.02 | whislock | i can give you the proper entries. |
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| 23:46.35 | whislock | Create your ESP with the proper type, and size "537m". |
| 23:47.08 | EdePopede | 2 keyboards. con-fu-sing. |
| 23:47.26 | notsoever | edy: humblyton your boot ys years away ubuntu |
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| 23:48.06 | notsoever | learn |
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| 23:48.52 | whislock | As I assume you selected "EFI System Partition" as the type. |
| 23:49.13 | notsoever | apt |
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| 23:49.25 | EdePopede | why 537? creates a 535.8MB partition. 1.0MB free before it. |
| 23:49.42 | notsoever | forget uefy y suffered enought with y to it |
| 23:49.47 | EdePopede | now toot and swap, right |
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| 23:50.26 | notsoever | sorry gpt |
| 23:50.31 | notsoever | sorry |
| 23:50.44 | notsoever | faut in my brain |
| 23:51.41 | whislock | How large a swap volume do you prefer? |
| 23:52.16 | notsoever | how large are y? |
| 23:52.25 | EdePopede | 8 GB RAM, i'll double it. even if only for being able to directly compare it in htop |
| 23:52.52 | whislock | So create that with a size of "17180m". |
| 23:52.57 | EdePopede | and 64 for the sys, more than enough |
| 23:53.00 | EdePopede | uh? |
| 23:53.17 | whislock | 16GiB = 17179.9MB. |
| 23:53.26 | whislock | Binary boundaries, right? |
| 23:53.45 | whislock | 512MiB = 536.8MB. |
| 23:54.23 | EdePopede | ah you're really doing the math now? |
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| 23:54.30 | notsoever | tests |
| 23:54.34 | whislock | It's easy. Just powers of two. |
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| 23:55.08 | notsoever | i am so wide |
| 23:55.33 | notsoever | many hds 3T |
| 23:55.54 | EdePopede | damn. my brain is mud. |
| 23:56.12 | EdePopede | so how much for the root then? |
| 23:56.25 | whislock | You wanted 64GiB, right? |
| 23:56.38 | EdePopede | nods |
| 23:56.51 | whislock | 68720m |
| 23:57.04 | notsoever | gonna wide for them wana videos sexy |
| 23:57.38 | whislock | All of your partition sizes are right on powers of two. 2^29 (512MiB), 2^34 (16GiB), 2^36 (64GiB). |
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| 23:58.28 | notsoever | 13T |
| 23:58.59 | EdePopede | so partitions are done now. LVLUP! |
| 23:59.35 | whislock | And configure the rest how you want. |
| 23:59.50 | EdePopede | while debian installs some packages i'll install some coffee. |